#2523 - Ali Siddiq

Ali Siddiq is a comedian, author, and public speaker. His new special, "My Father," is now streaming on YouTube. See him live on the "Custom Fit" Tour.https://youtu.be/XiSewRUOVygwww.youtube.com/@AliSiddiqComedywww.alisiddiq.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Get 30% off + 2 free gifts at https://ARMRA.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  What's happening?

• 0:14Speaker 02

  What's happening?

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you.

• 0:15Speaker 02

  Same.

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  We were just talking, so I had to pause Jamie before the podcast. So you were telling me that LeBron James is not going to go back to the Lakers. How old is he now?

• 0:26Speaker 03

  Forty-one.

• 0:29Joe Rogan?

  Forty-one.

• 0:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  What is the oldest that an elite athlete has been?

• 0:35Speaker 03

  Tom Brady's 44, I think, NFL QB. That'd be pretty high up there.

• 0:40Speaker 02

  How old was Kareem?

• 0:42Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question. How old was Kareem when he retired?

• 0:45Speaker 03

  Bernard Hopkins, I think, would be the next.

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  Bernard Hopkins is number one?

• 0:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, Bernard Hopkins.

• 0:50Joe Rogan?

  We were talking about how he beat Kelly Pavlich at 42.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  But Bernard had a couple of years to incubate a little bit.

• 0:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Well, you know about that. Yeah. Not take damage and steal up the mind. He had the most intense discipline. That guy never got out of shape, which is also a giant contributor to longevity. Never was building back. You know, he wasn't like a 42-year-old who was like, you know, he took six months off. I haven't been in the gym. No, no, no. Every day, it was running, nutrition, everything was always on point. Never buried.

• 1:29Speaker 03

  Kareem was like 42, I think.

• 1:31Joe Rogan?

  So he might be the oldest of the past guys, but this is before all the science, right?

• 1:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, the science changes things.

• 1:40Joe Rogan?

  The science. So we were just talking about the science. So Jamie, what are they allowed to take and not allowed to take?

• 1:45Speaker 03

  I don't know. It's like the NBA used to, like, I think for like weed stuff, they used to say that it's like they'd get tested, I think, like October 1st, which is like right when preseason starts.

• 1:55Joe Rogan?

  For weed?

• 1:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. And so like as long as you were clean on October 1st, then you're good because they will test the rest of the year.

• 2:02Joe Rogan?

  That's ridiculous.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  But now, I know in the NFL, if you have a crazy game, you're going to get tested the next day. They're just going to check you for what was going on with you yesterday.

• 2:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, why would you play good? Ridiculous.

• 2:14Speaker 03

  I don't think the NBA does that specifically, but I don't know, honestly.

• 2:18Joe Rogan?

  So what are the rules in the NBA in terms of marijuana now? I thought that was part of the thing that they negotiated in the contract to make sure, because a lot of players like to be high when they play.

• 2:29Speaker 03

  I think they might, they might just have, just stopped testing for it as all.

• 2:33Joe Rogan?

  I wanted to mention names, but I'm friends with some guys and they tell me they can't play unless they're high.

• 2:40Joe Rogan?

  That's the same thing with pool players. I know a lot of pool players. They like to get lit before they get on the table.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, pool, pool should, you should be lit playing pool.

• 2:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you feel things better. Here we go. NBA can randomly drug test each player up to four times during the season and two times in the offseason, with additional tests allowed anytime there is reasonable cause, but marijuana is no longer part of the standard testing panel. Yes, sir. Yeah, so they can smoke weed, which makes sense. Let them, it's not, what are you doing? It's not hurting anybody and they play better with it. I think, leave them alone. That's what I think. Unless they're doing, unless they're doing meth. Unless they're doing, you know what I mean?

• 3:20Speaker 03

  They also had another big betting scandal is kind of broken recently in the last 24 hours there.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  Oh no.

• 3:27Speaker 03

  Where a player's been called out for throwing at least four games.

• 3:33Speaker 03

  And then where that's gonna go from here is kind of being speculated online.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  I'll tell you where that goes. If people find out, that goes to bullets. That's the problem. The problem with someone throwing a game is somebody bet on that fucking game. A lot of people bet on that game.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  Cases I've seen though are like the overs, like they had player props and like he needed 4.5 rebounds and he has four and he's just trying extremely, extremely, extremely hard to get that extra rebound. Which is like, well, it's wrong. That's not that bad.

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, that means he's playing well.

• 4:02Speaker 03

  And the other one which was, uh, he was fixing a spread at like in the last second, like he sprinted down the court to get an extra basket with like three seconds on the clock when they were down by 10, or 7 technically, to beat the eight and a half point spread.

• 4:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but so what? He's just scoring. How can you ever?

• 4:19Speaker 03

  It's just, uh, it's, when you watch basketball enough, you go like, that doesn't happen that often. Why would he do that?

• 4:24Joe Rogan?

  That's gross.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, especially, yeah, you used to people throwing the ball and, you know, just throwing it down there, not you running down.

• 4:31Joe Rogan?

  I know, but if you can do it and score, why wouldn't you do it? I don't even understand why anybody would question that.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  You down by 10, it's five seconds to go, the game is over.

• 4:40Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you, I want that ball in the net. Fuck you.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Man, no, but why? Cause that's not gonna change, oh, oh, we lost by eight.

• 4:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, it just means you're competitive to the end. You never give up, even though you know you're losing.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  And no starters on the floor at this time. You down by 10, it's 5 seconds ago, no, no starters on the floor.

• 5:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but how, but it's not like he's missing on purpose. So it's one thing if the guy's like missing on purpose, but if he's scoring on purpose, leave him the fuck alone.

• 5:14Speaker 03

  Alright, so similar thing, World Cup just happened like 2, 3 nights ago. Where they just got into the knockout round, you know, so that the big tournament was, every team plays 3 games to figure out where you figure, or where you end up to play the next part of the tournament, 10 teams get eliminated. Third place team for the first time ever can make it through. And so there was, I think it was Algeria, and I forget the other team, sorry. But if they both tied, they both move through. If one team wins and one team loses, one team goes through. And then they're like, with 4 minutes to go in the game, they're kind of just passing the ball around, the score's tied, and one team goes ahead and scores. And it kind of starts to fight on the field, where you see the other team yelling at the other team like, "Fuck you!", like, I don't know exactly what they're saying, but like,

• 5:58Speaker 03

  what, like, and then with like 2 minutes to go, the other team sort of just stops playing defense and kind of seems to like let them score.

• 6:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, god!

• 6:08Speaker 03

  It's like, is that, if it's a big collusion, or if they just sort of like made an agreement?

• 6:13Joe Rogan?

  How did, what, don't they have mics on those guys?

• 6:17Speaker 03

  It's such a crazy...

• 6:18Joe Rogan?

  They have to have mics on somebody, they have strong mics now, and they have people that can lip read. They can pick up, "Hey, motherfucker, you're supposed to leave this a tie." If that happens, like, you can't play anymore, right? Like, what happens to those guys? They have to get suspended for...

• 6:32Speaker 03

  That'd be the entire, that'd be both teams, the coaches, it'd be everybody, I don't know. I don't really know how it's gonna pan out, but it was very...

• 6:39Joe Rogan?

  What a conundrum. How could you do that? Like, I hate that. This is what, this is what I don't like about sports betting, not that, because that's about advancing, but about sports betting, is the even, the consideration that a person is playing a certain way because they're worried about a spread, or because they've been paid off to not score, or they've been paid off to foul, you know, like, there's, the problem with these things is you could bet on anything.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  You can bet on anything now.

• 7:09Joe Rogan?

  Anything, anything. So if you're crooked and... What has been like the most crooked aspect of the fucking human race over the past like 100 years, other than the legal system? The most crooked aspect has been sports betting. It's always crooked.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  Sports and politics.

• 7:29Joe Rogan?

  Politics.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  They damn near.

• 7:30Joe Rogan?

  They're all the same.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, they the same.

• 7:31Joe Rogan?

  It's the same. It's money. It's anyone, anytime there's money involved and decisions can be shifted, influence can be used to make something happen.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  But it seems like that with, with most things that people, you know, have some type of, you know, hierarchy desire for, they, they.

• 7:50Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  They gonna put something in, you know, like even with like awards in game, this is a, who can promote the best and who can, if you can take all the people that vote to dinner and, you know, smuse them at dinner, it's gonna be a, a thing where who's gonna beat you when you got all the voters?

• 8:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Or you have a situation where you have people that work for your company that can vote. You know what I'm saying? Who, how, how you not gonna vote for the project that the company put out?

• 8:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  You know, we got 60 voters, you know, so we at least got 60 votes.

• 8:35Joe Rogan?

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• 10:16Joe Rogan?

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• 11:28Speaker 02

  Politics is the ultimate example?

• 11:31Joe Rogan?

  But there's that hierarchy shit in everything in the world. Everything. And it trips people up.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  But with politics, it is a little more detrimental than with sports. You know, sports is, you know, you gambling, people trying to win things, but with politics, it's like... If you're not, somebody that's not qualified can be in a position where, you know, they making decisions on the masses of people's lives.

• 12:02Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, they're gonna appoint judges.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  Which is?

• 12:05Joe Rogan?

  And they're gonna appoint crazy judges. Like, there's obviously judges, like, they have disputes. Well, why do they have disputes? Because they're ideologically captured on both sides. There's people that are like, you know, like, certain right-wing judges. You throw some case out there that's a right-wing case, abortion rights, whatever it is, immigration, you know how they're gonna vote. Same thing with left-wing people. Like hardcore left-wing people, guaranteed, trans women in sports, trans women are women. Let them play in sports. That was a recent Supreme Court order. Three judges said that trans women should be able to play in women's sports. The rest of them said, fuck no. The other six canceled it out, luckily.

• 12:44Speaker 02

  And, you know, those people are not taking into account the sport. Like, it's a difference if you was originally something and now you playing in something else. Your strength is different.

• 12:57Joe Rogan?

  Everything's different.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  And, you know, you don't feel that until your daughter get knocked out the ring, where she's supposed to be boxing somebody that's the same gender, then now she's, her whole side of her face broke from, you know?

• 13:09Joe Rogan?

  It's insane. It's insane. And it's not cruel to not let that happen in sports. That's what Title IX is about in the first place. Give women the opportunity to play in equal time as men. That's a good thing. Having men that think they're women play with women is fucking crazy. Like, what do we, it doesn't mean, you know, you need to cast those people out of society. It doesn't mean anything. Live and let live, I agree. But get the fuck out of the women's room.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're not, you're not a-

• 13:37Joe Rogan?

  You have a dick.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  If you-

• 13:38Joe Rogan?

  Get the fuck off the team. You're running track at a literal, a women's Olympic level, and you're 15. Why? Because you have a dick. This is crazy. You're not really a girl. This is nuts.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  You know, that's the, that's the world we live in, and, well, that's, nah, I'm not even gonna say that's the world we live in. That's the world that's being presented to us at this point, that-

• 13:58Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  You know, and it's, you know, there's a lot of things that's like this, man, you-

• 14:04Speaker 02

  This is why in comedy, I choose not to go the current, the current affair or the political route. Because I don't have time to separate the room. I'm too busy trying to do things to bring the room together. And that's more of a writer's aim for me.

• 14:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, you, I said this before, I'll say it live publicly. What you've done is very extraordinary. Because you've made a giant following online completely organically. It's very inspiring. Because all you do is just do your thing the best that you can and put it out there and it just keeps growing. It's amazing. It's very, it's very cool. It's very inspirational. And it's, you should be proud of it. Because what you've done, like I said, it's totally organic. Like you don't have a bunch of production companies pushing you and trying to make you more popular than you are. No, it's all just putting it out there and getting this gigantic following just from your work. Just the work.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Appreciate it. And then, you know, even with that, you still have some type of responsibility to not see things the same as other people. Like, I just got all this flack about me talking about the, how this business of people inflating things has caused depression in comics. You know, that we're supposed to be a happy craft. But now it's this big push about if you're not on social media, you're not on this, you're not on that. A lot of these comics are, you know, going through this mental health thing where they always sad about their numbers. Or, you know, or this, that and the third. Like, yo, man, it is a, it's a thing.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  And some people inflate things. And everybody wants to be on the same level. So.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  Sometimes you, you can't be, or you can, but people look at it as a certain way where when you proud of the steps that you've taken. And if I played in the G League, that's not the NBA. So I wouldn't say that I was playing, I played in the league. Cause I know what the league means. I know, you know, I know this says this the G League, but when I present myself, yo, you know, I play in the league. People automatically think the NBA, you know, it's not, it's not, no, the G League is not, and not knocking the G League, but that's not the first thing that comes to my mind.

• 16:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  You know, oh, you know, it, it's just a, playing for the Washington Generals is not the NBA. Even though you played against the Globetrotters, they were great players. But we, we know how this game goes, but people, that's how people see things now.

• 16:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, the number things is real. The numbers thing is, is a real problem with people because it gives you like a quantifiable measure of whether or not you're doing well. And if you already have anxiety, which a lot of comedians have, you're already like socially awkward, which a lot of comedians are, you don't feel accepted, which is how a lot of comedians feel. And then you look at those numbers, you're like, 2,400? I only have 2,400 followers? I've been doing comedy for seven years. Why do I only have 2,400 followers? And then you go to someone's page that you'd never even heard of and they have 1.2 million. You're like, what the fuck?

• 17:23Speaker 02

  And, and so this is about being grateful in the position that you, you're in. I remember when they were, people was pushing me, oh, you need to get on the internet. You need to be on social media, to be, okay. But I would see those people that had all those followers. And that same year, the year before that I did a half hour special with Comedy Central. Then the year, um, 2018, I did a full hour special with Comedy Central. I had, um, 500 followers on Instagram.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  I had three hundred followers, three hundred subscribers on YouTube on a page that I didn't own. I had to fight to get this page. I had less people on Facebook.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  But I was efficient in what I was doing. So, the numbers didn't, they didn't pick me because I had these numbers. They, they picked me because I came and I did what I did. And then they, oh, he's, he's great. So then we, we started going, you know, a route to, to build it up. But we were already getting things prior to the numbers.

• 18:33Joe Rogan?

  Right. What, what year is this again?

• 18:34Speaker 02

  This is seventeen and eighteen.

• 18:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so the difference is that in seventeen and eighteen, people were just starting to be aware of the power of social media. And then they were really concentrating on different comics that had a large social media following. You know, I think that was like right when it first started happening.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Dane Cook had blew up before that.

• 18:57Joe Rogan?

  That was a, yeah, that was a MySpace thing.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  That was a MySpace thing, internet, another internet thing.

• 19:01Joe Rogan?

  That's true, that's true. That was different. But the, the difference is, like, he had gotten so huge just from that, that he was already doing like arenas.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:10Joe Rogan?

  And when they, so, he was already huge and then they just went with him. Like, but, but he was like super popular. Now, it's like super popular on social media is one of the most important things.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  So now, now, moving up to this, because I, I have a strong argument with this. So, I have a million followers here, million followers there, all these specials. I still didn't get invited to the BET Awards. I still didn't get, I still don't get invited to a bunch of things. I still get looked over for things even though I have numbers and success. But I don't worry about it. I'm just in my, I'm not watching to judge myself against what somebody else is doing. It's guys who have less everything, but they're in this, they're in this realm where they, they had every, they had everything. I, I see guys that's at everything with no. Um, with no specials and no proven thing, they just around. And I'm like, okay.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  But it's, I'm not ju- I think the point that I'm not judging myself up against what somebody is doing socially.

• 20:13Joe Rogan?

  But that's also easier when you're successful, when you're successful, you're very successful. So the difference is like when you sell out these shows and you put out these specials, like I've seen your specials, they have millions of views. So it's like, obviously you have a following. If you didn't, and you were doing the same thing, then it would be a problem. But then also that would, it's like comedy in a lot of ways, not always, but in a lot of ways is a meritocracy. If you're good, people will come.

• 20:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:40Joe Rogan?

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• 21:56Speaker 02

  But I also have no desire to inflate things and compare myself to somebody else, or make myself seem like I'm more than what it is. Like guys are, hey man, I got, I'm at this room, I got 50 tickets sold. Okay, how much the room seat? Oh, the room seat three hundred. Okay, cool. You have fifty people more than you ha- than if you didn't play the role. You was saying, cause who knows you in Utah? You're buil- it's a, it's a building thing. Like, I got all of this, all of this going on. But if I go to Utah, I'm in a comedy club.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  It doesn't, it doesn't matter what happened the night before. I was just in an arena. But in Utah, it's like, it takes me back to, um, on Trading Places. It was that, he said, hey man, this is, he gave, he gives all this elaborate what this watch is. And that man said, this is what this calls in St. Louis. Like, I don't care about you piling the watch. And saying, so, I don't have that. And I'm not, if I, it's like, you, you, you own the club, okay? It's guys that can come to your club and sell your club out. And then it's guys that come to the club and you paper the room, okay? Then it's guys, like, when you in the theater, some, you can scale the theater down.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Some theaters hold forty-six hundred people, but you can scale it down to two thousand. But then, the, I'm not going to say if the room holds forty-six hundred. I put two thousand tickets on sale. I didn't sell out the, the, um, the theater. I sold what I put on sale. You was saying, cause I'm not to the point where I can get the forty-six hundred yet. If I could sell the room out, then I, I, I would need to relish the real accomplishment versus the, the lesser accomplishment. Inflating, yeah. And that's, and because I don't have this thing where I'm in competition with what happened before me, you know, so.

• 24:09Speaker 02

  With other people. If, so I'm in San Antonio. We at, um, we at the, the theater. And, cause people can make you feel bad about anything. If you, if you a person that feels bad, just think, um, Minnesota. It's, it's all these people that's on the team that, that play for the Boston Celtics that are millionaires. They already millionaire, they play in the league. Boston traded seven people to Minnesota for one person.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Kevin Garnett. They got rid of seven human beings for one person.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  So it's like if I was a person that felt bad about my career, this would would make me feel bad like they they like the first person that they asked, okay, I'm gonna trade this person for that person. They're like, no. Well, I'm gonna give you two more people. They're like, no. And then, I'm gonna give you four more people. Okay. And and a lottery pick. Okay. I I'm gonna feel horrible. They traded me for seven people. Y'all didn't even want me.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Realistically, so Boston went, they got Kevin Garnett. I mean, um, what's it? Yeah, Kevin Garnett. And seven other millionaires. They got all this money. They got all this. They went to Minnesota. It was in, so if somebody wanted to make you feel bad about something, you know, they they could if that's you are. So I'm at I'm in San Antonio. The line is around the block. The place is sold out. It's the same sellout. No matter who comes, it's sold out. That lady said to my face, come on, you should have saw it when Matt Rife came.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  I was like, in my mind, I was like, and I asked, I say, was it a different theater? She said, no, same theater. So when Matt Rife came, he sold it out. I sold out two nights. I mean, two days in the same night, but her thing was you should have saw it when Matt Rife came. I was like, okay.

• 26:12Joe Rogan?

  She probably wanted you to feel bad.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  It's like, but I'm not.

• 26:16Joe Rogan?

  Good for you. Well, good for you, but the thing is, a lot of people would. That's that's what it is. A lot of people are in competition with other people. I think you should be inspired by other people. You know, if you want to compete in that way, be inspired, but the the moment you turn it into a negative, it's like, are you you're you're a fool. You're being a fool.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  Competing charity.

• 26:33Joe Rogan?

  Also, inspiration is power. It's fuel.

• 26:37Joe Rogan?

  You see someone doing well, so you see someone set and you like it. That's fuel that makes you wanna go work, makes you wanna get some shit done, makes you, it gives you energy.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  It ma-

• 26:48Joe Rogan?

  Or it could cripple you if you're a dummy. If you're a dummy and you get angry and you get bitter and then you just put all this negativity on the person who's doing better than you, which a lot of people do.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  That's, that's, that's a weird, that's a weird dynamics in this business when you know that it's gonna be people, no matter what you're doing, it's gonna be somebody doing better than you. When I was in comedy clubs, I remember being there and they were papering the room.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Okay, I wasn't saying I was selling out, they was papering the room. I know out of all these, 300 people in here, 240 of these people came because it was, it was freezing. They sent out their email blast.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  But then what I looked at was, they wanted to come.

• 27:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they wanted to come, they're probably comedy fans, which is why they're on the email list in the first place. And then those people, you give them a great show, they'll come back.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Then, the next time I came, they didn't paper the room, they sold, they sold the tickets.

• 27:52Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's how it used to be, man, that was the old days before social media. You would build a market, so you would just show up at Philadelphia once a year. Show up, do your homework, like make sure you got a tight set, you been practicing, you ready to rock, fuck these people up and then leave. And then they're like, can't wait till you guys are back again. And then next time you come back, you, you know, alright, I, I built an audience now, I got, I can't disappoint these people, I gotta get fired up. And that's what it used to be, it used to be a totally organic thing across the whole country.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  Is it a, is it a thing, is it a difference, in your opinion, between me bringing my audience?

• 28:31Speaker 02

  To a venue from whatever other thing that I do versus people coming that don't know anything about me and me winning that person over versus the person that already knows me.

• 28:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a different thing. You know, people are coming to see you specifically. You've already won them over. That's a different thing. Or they want to take a chance on you. That's a different thing because I've heard about you. But when, you know, that's a completely different thing because that's your, you have an audience now. You have fans. When you are just performing in a club and it's a papered room, you have an opportunity. You have an opportunity to turn these people into fans. You have an opportunity to give these people a great night and have a good time. And also, you're doing your fucking thing, which is the most important thing of all. Everybody is results oriented. I try to be process oriented. When I, with everything I do, I'm process oriented. I think about, there's, there's a goal that you got to reach, but how do you get to that goal? The way, the

• 29:30Joe Rogan?

  way you get there is not thinking about the goal. The way you get there is thinking about what you're doing. What's the process? The process is writing bits, performing them, tweaking them, getting them tight, knowing, reviewing tapes, going over your material, going over your writing, talking with friends, and then every day it gets a little bigger. Every day it gets a little better. Every day that knife gets a little sharper. That's the process. That's the process that leads you to become whoever, whoever you are.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  And then you add other little pieces in that process. I remember I, um, I was talking to Bobby Lee and me and Bobby Lee talking. I said, Bobby, you don't realize where you met me at. And he's like, well, is this a good, is this going to be a good story or is it a bad story?

• 30:16Joe Rogan?

  Bobby's got a lot of bad stories.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  I said, you, you, you met me at, um, at the Houston Improv and they called me and asked me did I want to host. A room that I already sell out, you know what I'm saying? They asked me did I want to host. I said, cool. So I came and I hosted and I was. Not trying to, but I was destroying his feature. I'm just hosting.

• 30:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, you should not be hosting, especially at the Houston Improv.

• 30:47Speaker 02

  But my thing was, this was years, this was years ago. But I say, Bobby, you didn't understand. When I was hosting at the Houston Improv, I was doing something that most people didn't understand why I was even doing it. Well, like, and they would see, like, why would you be hosting? I said, because I'm not gonna be in front of Bobby Lee's audience. But it's people that live in Houston that his audience, that I have no idea, that have no idea who I am.

• 31:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  I said, Bobby, but before you, I say, I was coming to the Houston Improv hosting for multiple people, and I was just winning over fans that would never had seen me if they wasn't coming to see you. They wouldn't be coming to my show. I said, so before that, it was you were last, Bobby. It was you, and the week prior to that, it was Miles Gibraney. And the week prior to that was, um, what's my girl? Um, Angela Johnson. Angela Johnson, and before that, it was, um, some random white guy.

• 31:52Speaker 02

  I said, I just came, and I wanna do, I'm a comic, so me hosting was no big deal. I wasn't working, so I said, well, let me just come host it, that's what they want me to do. So I gained fans from four different audiences in a month. So when I came back, they was like, yo, I saw you with Miles Gibraney. And so I came back, I came back to see you when you, when you put your show up. I'm like, cool. So my process, that was a part of my process. It didn't matter who I hosted for, and then I was like, okay, cool. You know, let me, let me go, like, when I hosted for, um, Bill Burr. Bill Burr was like, this is crazy.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  We in, we in Austin at the Paramount, and I said, I said, the worst thing about this was that at the time, I was wearing all black. And I went to the show, and when I walked on stage, the first thing I said is, hey, I do not work here.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  It's a don't, like eight people ask me, where's the bathroom? I don't know, I don't worry, but it was like, I look like a usher.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  Like yo, I'm like, yo, this sucks, you know, but, but it was a cool year.

• 33:07Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. That's a smart approach. I mean, that's a great way to build, especially if you're already headlining. Yeah, I think, I think that, that thing about concentrating on the process, people should try to apply that to everything. You know, um, my friend John Dudley, who taught me archery, he's a big believer in that, being process oriented. Like, as I get better at archery, and he used to compete all over the world, travel, compete in archery tournaments. I think that's the, I think that applies to everything. I think that applies to music, I think that applies to everything. The more, I think, one of the things that trips people up about social media, a lot of these young guys in particular, young people in particular, is that they are thinking about other people, and they are comparing themselves to other people, and they are looking at those numbers.

• 33:52Joe Rogan?

  And you're, you're looking, you're spending all of your energy, if you haven't allotted 100 units of energy in a day, you're spending a disproportionate amount on things that don't empower you, and actually kind of fuck your head up. Not good for you, at all. Instead of saying, wow, I am chasing the fucking dream, right? I am out here being a professional comedian, and I have a real chance to develop a real following. If I put my time in, I put my effort, I really care, and I really work hard, I could sell out a theater in one day. That's possible, like, that's a goal. It should be a goal, just like getting your PhD in chemistry, or whatever the fuck it is your goal is. But, the process is what's important.

• 34:36Joe Rogan?

  The process is like appreciating what you're doing, why you're doing it, and just bearing down and doing your best. That's it, that's it. And, and other people, you look at them as inspiration, other people that are kicking ass, you know, don't go, don't get, become a hater. That shit is so bad for you. I know so many dudes who have like hater tendencies, and they never excel, never. It's the, the counter-thinking of a- An excellent person is a hater. Someone who's always trying to diminish people and downplay people and look at someone in the least charitable way and the worst possible way. To some I know they're trying to make themselves feel better, but it doesn't work. It does the opposite of work. It robs you. It robs you of your self-esteem. It robs you of your self-respect.

• 35:21Joe Rogan?

  You're spending so much time thinking about this other dude. Like, why?

• 35:25Speaker 02

  It's a lot of, it's a lot of energy and my dad, this one, this is one story that I did not put in the special that I should have. And my dad had all these, these thoughts and he was, I, I live to say he was a crazy man, but when you think about the things that he would say, made sense. My dad, and why would you be telling me this at the age that, but he just gave them, I, I think I was like 11. And my dad out of nowhere just said, you know something? People been to, spending the same time and money on being fake when they can pu- put that same time and money into being real.

• 36:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  And I'm like, I didn't know, I didn't understand what that meant. But as I got older, if you spend any money or time faking something, you could probably spend that money and time being real about something.

• 36:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  You know, why go buy a fake necklace to, to act like you're rich? When you can go buy a real necklace if then at some point, if then, and you know, be actually be rich. You know, if that's, if you, you comparing it to necklaces, but I just didn't understand it at the time. But then as I got older, I understood like, why put this, why put this time in to pretending? When you can put that same energy in and then become real at what you do. It makes no sense.

• 36:54Joe Rogan?

  My uncle Vinny, when I was six or seven years old, I was staying at, at his house with my cousins. And we were, um, we were supposed to brush our teeth and I didn't like following rules, period. And so I wouldn't brush my teeth. Instead, I would take toothpaste and smoosh it around on my teeth. And so that when they smell my breath, they would smell toothpaste. And my uncle explained to me, he goes, he goes, uh, I understand why you're doing it. I, he goes, but the amount of time that you're spending pretending to brush your teeth, you could have just brushed your teeth. And I thought about that when I was six, I was like, damn. I was just a little kid, but I was like, ah, he's right. Why am I faking brushing my teeth?

• 37:39Joe Rogan?

  I was six years old, I was like, I feel like such a... My Uncle Vinny was like, super patient, super calm. Out of all my family members, he was the strangest. Out of all these wild, crazy Italian people, like, he was, he was an artist and he was like, ve- very soft spoken and never got angry about anything. He'd always speak really rationally. I was like, God, he's so smart. He's just so peaceful. He just, but he, the way he laid it out, he didn't say, hey, I know you're not brushing your teeth, you little fuck. It wasn't that. It was the time you're spending pretending to brush your teeth. You could've just brushed your teeth.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  Could've just brushed your teeth.

• 38:15Joe Rogan?

  But it was like, sometimes adults will say something to you like that when you're six. And it just gets in your head and you're like, whoa, okay. That just saved me a whole lot of time.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Like, I can just brush them.

• 38:28Joe Rogan?

  Just brush your fucking teeth. Stop pretending, stop faking. It doesn't help anything. It does the opposite.

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• 39:36Joe Rogan?

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• 40:54Speaker 02

  It does the opposite. And, you know, people, the truth sometimes is hurtful to people.

• 41:02Joe Rogan?

  The truth doesn't feel good, you know, to a lot of people, unfortunately. But, you know, you have to look at it. You have to have perspective.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  But that's the ultimate hate right there. That's the ultimate hate is for me to give you a falsehood instead of telling you the truth.

• 41:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  That's the ultimate, it's the ultimate hate.

• 41:23Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you're like, you're making up a background for yourself. You're making up a story about your life that's not true. You're... Pretending you're somewhere in life that you're not, you know?

• 41:34Speaker 02

  Yo, man, just do the thing. Just do the thing.

• 41:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's hard for people. It's hard for people. And then there's a lot of people that think you just fake it until you make it. And then you hear stories, oh, this guy, I had $500 in my bank account, but I told them I got this, I got that loan. And next thing you know, my business is making all this money. And you go, wow, he faked it until he made it, and it worked. And you think it's gonna work. It doesn't work most of the time.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Few and far between, then they never tell you that that guy goes to jail later for fraud.

• 42:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes, 100%, 100%.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  The feds busted my house three years later and took everything. You're like, okay.

• 42:13Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Like when they arrested Carlos Mencia recently, for like all his counts of tax fraud, I was like, okay.

• 42:21Joe Rogan?

  I don't want that to happen to him, but

• 42:25Joe Rogan?

  there it is.

• 42:28Joe Rogan?

  Right? I mean, that's what it is.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  I'm not laughing at Carlos Mencia. I'm just laughing at the fact that he was like, yeah, when they busted the guy.

• 42:37Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I didn't, it didn't bring me any joy to see that. I don't like anybody getting arrested for taxes. I think, I think taxes, until they have an accurate account of where the fucking money goes, and until you completely eliminate all fraud and waste, what the fuck are you doing locking people up for not paying taxes? Like, you guys should get locked up for not doing a good job with our money.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  So what'd you think about all the new purchases and redoing the White House and all this with tax dollars?

• 43:14Joe Rogan?

  Did they do it with tax dollars? Like, how much money did they spend in tax dollars to do the ballroom? Let's find out.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  What's that, um?

• 43:21Joe Rogan?

  They need a ballroom, though. That's how that guy snuck in with a gun, because they tried to do that White House Correspondents Dinner in a hotel. That dude who got arrested a few months back.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  What's this, this, this resolution, the pool, something full of algae right now that we spit on it?

• 43:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know about that. That's something about making the pool look nice, that, that, whatever that is, reflecting pool.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, the reflecting pool.

• 43:45Joe Rogan?

  Reports indicate the new White House East Wing Ballroom is projected to cost about 600 million with roughly half, just over 300 million coming from taxpayer-funded government accounts, despite earlier promises that it would be taxpayer-free.

• 43:59Joe Rogan?

  Three hundred million sounds like a lot until you find out how much money they spend on other things. When you find out how mu- just how much fraud is in NGOs, how much fraud is in nonprofits? How much fraud is in insider trading and propping up companies so that they can get better deals?

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Well.

• 44:20Joe Rogan?

  The, the whole thing is fraud.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  The, the thing is, if you spending, I understand how much money goes in other things, but if you spending any money, that, that, that's my money, that I don't know that, that I need it, or that's not really the aim, the goal.

• 44:38Joe Rogan?

  You should be able to vote on it.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  You should be able to vote on it.

• 44:40Joe Rogan?

  You should be able to vote on where all your tax money goes.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  How much money is, how much tax money is being spent on getting smart people in places, getting smart, making smart children?

• 44:49Joe Rogan?

  That's the big one.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  That's the, that's the thing.

• 44:52Joe Rogan?

  The big one is, if you look at our country as a community, and that's what we're supposed to be doing. We're supposed to be the United States of America. All that bullshit aside, that was the one good thing that happened about nine eleven. When nine eleven happened, after that, we were all united. It was crazy. It was crazy. We realized, like, we are actually on a team. So if we're on a team, why do we have these deeply impoverished neighborhoods for decades and decades that are riddled with crime and drug abuse? Why? Is it impossible to fix? That's crazy. That's not true. There's just no one's tried to fix it. No one's done any effort to fix it. And if you did fix it, you want to make America great. Here's the best way: less losers. And how do you get less losers?

• 45:35Joe Rogan?

  More opportunities for people. More opportunities, more support, more education, more everything that you need if that was your neighborhood.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:44Joe Rogan?

  And if we did that, we, we'd have to switch the way our system runs, but that could be done, man.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  That's the thing.

• 45:51Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to have losers. Not that many.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  That's the thing about make America great, right? If you trying to make anything great, don't you need intelligent people to do that?

• 46:02Joe Rogan?

  Of course, that's the number one thing.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  So when we have all these divisive people that that's on a lower vibration, how is that making the the the country, the country great if we're putting people in position that don't have the experience or the education in those in those things? And then we just saying a bunch of divisive things, you know?

• 46:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  You know, it is, it was, if if I'm watching the the extravaganza that happened at the White House, what was the thing, Michelle Obama is a man? Like, how did that help? How did that help?

• 46:43Joe Rogan?

  That guy says that every time he does a speech.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  What is the the thing? First of all, it's it's really divisive because you know that a large portion of the country is gonna take this, has gonna have a problem with this. You know, clearly, she's not a man, you know what I'm saying? But it makes no sense, like, to, I've never seen this many people say so many damaging things about a past president. It's like he's still on the forefront and it's not like we have a president that's doing the greatest job for this this country, you know, which is which is weird, a weird thing to me. And people gonna ask, is that what's the belief? That's the that's the real belief of people? That's the real thing?

• 47:27Joe Rogan?

  No, well, listen, there's some crazy people that believe the world is flat. There's a lot of dumb beliefs. There's probably people that do believe Michelle Obama is a man. What that guy does, he's like a pro wrestler. Like, he's got a character called the Incredible Hulk. It's very corny in a lot of ways. Sometimes it's, you know, cringy. But the point is, he gets a lot of attention, a lot of attention because of all this. That's what he's doing. So what he's trying to do is maximize the amount of attention that he can get for a very short window of career. It's not how he really feels, how he really thinks. When you talk to him in real life, he's very reasonable. This is an act that he does, like a pro wrestling act. But what he can do is fight. He's really good. And that's what's so confusing about it all.

• 48:12Joe Rogan?

  So you got this guy who's created like this fake persona, where he puts on an American flag bandana, comes out to Hulk Hogan music, does all his interviews with sunglasses on, has a bunch of crazy silly rhymes, and says ridiculous shit, just trying to get attention. The most amount of attention. It is very divisive. Don't get me wrong. But that's by design.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  So he's Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage in the same person.

• 48:35Joe Rogan?

  But an actual fighter. A really fucking good one, Matt. He just knocked out Derrick Lewis at the White House. Derrick Lewis has the most knockouts in the history of the sport.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  Don't do that. Don't do that, Joe.

• 48:45Joe Rogan?

  Don't do what?

• 48:45Speaker 02

  This, this, this, don't, don't, don't say that so excited, because Derrick Lewis go to the same gym, uh, Main Street Boxing Gym in Houston. I'm very close to that.

• 48:54Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I love Derrick Lewis.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  I don't like the fact that Derrick Lewis lost that fight.

• 48:58Joe Rogan?

  I think Derrick, Derrick of 10 years ago would have been a real fucking problem for that dude. Because Derrick of 10 years ago, you couldn't hold him down. He would just get up. He, there's a whole compilation of people trying to hold Derrick Lewis down. He just gets a hand on you and just whoop. Your, his grip, they did that UFC grip thing where they test the grip. Everybody's like 140, the strong ones are like 160, 190. Derrick just squeezed it casual, 218. And they were like, what the fuck?

• 49:28Speaker 02

  So you see how problematic this was for me? You already beat my friend, then you turn around and say...

• 49:34Joe Rogan?

  He beat a 40-year-old Derrick Lewis.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  A 40-year-old Derrick Lewis, then turn around and say, Michelle Obama's a man. I was like, okay, you know something?

• 49:40Joe Rogan?

  I know what you're saying.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  I'm pissed.

• 49:42Joe Rogan?

  Listen, you're right. Listen, you're right. But I'm telling you, if you met that dude in real life, you would get it. He's just a dude. He's just a guy who's a competitive wrestler, played in the NFL, and he's like, I gotta do something to figure out how to get people to pay attention to me. Because it can't just be fighting. It's not enough. If you look at Conor McGregor, you look at Sugar Sean O'Malley, you look at these guys that have these flamboyant personalities, these big personalities. They get, Cassius Clay is the original example. They get an immense amount of attention, and that translates into... Much more money and much more opportunities. There's no fucking way that guy would have gotten that fight at the White House if he couldn't fight.

• 50:24Joe Rogan?

  Because the fight that he had before that he fought Curtis Blades, who was a top 10 UFC heavyweight, huge wrestler. And they went to war, dude. I mean, he put it on him for three fucking rounds, like Curtis just has an insane heart and survived it. But that guy can fucking fight. But just that alone's not enough.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  But with.

• 50:42Joe Rogan?

  You gotta get attention. I don't agree with it. I don't, I wouldn't do it. It's not my thing. I don't like it. Right? But I get it and it's smart.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  With Muhammad Ali though, he was very respectful in his, in his, in his act, you know, to get attention, you know.

• 50:58Joe Rogan?

  No, he wasn't.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he wasn't with other people, but he would show up at fucking Sonny Liston's house. And scream about him on his fucking front lawn at four in the morning. He did wild, crazy shit. He, he did. He did a lot of wild, he was just all about getting your heart rate up, getting your emotions in there. He was so fucking smart. He knew before everybody that you could just get somebody into a frenzy and they wouldn't be able to sleep. Their whole life revolved around fighting you and I can't let this guy beat me and the fear of losing. He's gonna keep you weak. It's gonna keep you, you're not gonna be able to eat as much food. You're gonna feel nervous.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  But you see what happened when somebody called him Cassius Clay.

• 51:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 51:42Joe Rogan?

  Who was that? Who, what fighter was that? He kept punishing him, saying, what's my name?

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Your mama name, your mama name, Clay, I'mma call you. But that, that didn't work out for him well. He beat the.

• 51:50Joe Rogan?

  He beat the piss out of him and he carried him. He carried him while he was beating his ass. Dude, he was a special, special guy. It's, you know, I'm not comparing him in terms of his cultural significance to Josh Hoke. Because, you know, he was a, my parents, my mother and my stepfather were hippies. They never watched fighting. But when he had a rematch with Leon Spinks, that's how much of a cultural figure he was. They wanted him to beat Leon Spinks.

• 52:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, how crazy he is.

• 52:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, he's gotta win. He's gotta win. Hippies, sitting in front of the fucking TV in like 1970, whatever it was.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  How crazy it is to have Italian hippies.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Because I heard it, it was like my family, I thought they was Italian.

• 52:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, they were hippies, but you know, my grandmother went to jail for running numbers for the mob. So, it's like, there was a lot of, uh.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 52:42Joe Rogan?

  There was a lot of. Real Italian.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  A lot of dynamics.

• 52:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, grandma went away for a little bit.

• 52:50Joe Rogan?

  She wouldn't rat them out, so she did some time.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  I was at a, I was at a show one time and I said, um, wow, the Africans at, in, in here. And this Italian dude, he's from Sicily, he raised his hand. And I said, and the people were like, why is he raising his hand? I'm like, he knows.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  Like, he knows.

• 53:16Speaker 03

  He knows.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  So he was like.

• 53:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a really good reason why Sicilians have darker hair, curly hair, darker skin.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  He was like, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

• 53:25Joe Rogan?

  The Moors.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  And that's all I said, was, he knows. And, and, and people who got it, they was like.

• 53:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right, right, right.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  And at that point, it's like when people don't know that, that you have some sort of level of intelligence.

• 53:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get some information.

• 53:40Speaker 02

  They were like, oh, okay. Like, nah, it's a, it's a big, but that's, that's funny though, um, Italian hippies, but my, my brother also.

• 53:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, there was a lot of hippies back then, man. And I think, uh, the original idea behind it was great. And I was just watching this thing today about the CIA and LSD and what they did. It was really funny, man, it was a, um.

• 54:01Speaker 03

  That video?

• 54:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  The Grateful Dead thing, I saw it too.

• 54:03Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it dope?

• 54:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:05Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find it, put it up, because it's kind of cool.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  There's conveniently an MKUltra hearing going on right now in the.

• 54:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, how convenient.

• 54:12Speaker 03

  I know.

• 54:12Joe Rogan?

  Listen, bro, that, they, I got it right here, Jamie, I'll send it to you. Um, they 100% are still doing that. No ifs, ands, or buts. If you think they did that in the 60s, and they 100% did. If they're doing mind control experiments on people and they're influencing people's opinions and half of the reason why people are at odds with each other all day long on, online is probably government intervention. At one point, or some government's intervention.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  This is, this is.

• 54:38Joe Rogan?

  If not ours, Russia and China and.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  This is wild that.

• 54:42Joe Rogan?

  CIA created the hippie movement.

• 54:44Speaker 05

  And your mom's favorite band probably helped them. In the 1950s, the CIA bought up the world's supply of LSD. They brought it to the pharmaceutical company Eli Lilly, who reverse engineered it, giving them an unlimited supply and a complete monopoly. Then the testing started. One early volunteer for these tests was Ken Kesey. Kesey wrote a book inspired by this experience, which became a bestseller. Then Kesey went on to host events, which he called acid tests. And he wasn't charging anyone, he just wanted people to show up and do acid. For these events, he hired an unknown house band called The Grateful Dead. These events became wildly popular and with them rose the popularity of the band. So The Grateful Dead begins touring, and Kesey follows them around in a bus from show to show.

• 55:27Speaker 05

  And everywhere he went, he brought a vat full of Kool-Aid laced with LSD. This guy had a seemingly endless supply, exporting the hippie culture all around the US. Meanwhile, the CIA is flooding college campuses with LSD under the guise of research. And The Grateful Dead was just one of many bands in this movement. At the same time, in Laurel Canyon came a wave of musicians with something in common. They were all children of high-ranking military officials. The biggest names in music, Jim Morrison of The Doors was the son of an admiral. Frank Zappa's father was a chemical warfare specialist. Even Crosby, Stills, and Nash, yeah, all three of them. And all of these bands as well. The theory is the CIA orchestrated the hippie movement to steer a very real anti-war movement into something a little easier to combat: dissent without teeth.

• 56:12Speaker 05

  The hippie slogan was literally Turn on, tune in, and drop out. In other words, do acid and remove yourself from society. And a lot of them did drop out of society to go live in communes in the woods. This intersection between hippie culture and the CIA could all be a great big coincidence. Maybe military brats naturally want to rebel. And maybe the CIA was giving away acid because they're chill like that. And maybe CIA created the hippie movement. And your mom's favorite band probably helped them.

• 56:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Isn't that wild?

• 56:46Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 56:47Joe Rogan?

  That's wild. They also had a big influence on gangster rap. Big influence on promoting gangster rap.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent proven.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  One hundred percent.

• 56:56Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent, yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  You rather push-

• 56:58Joe Rogan?

  They wanted to fill prisons.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  You want, you want to push that over anything else, you know, because we can look at how rap music changed and when it changed. You know, nineteen ninety-two.

• 57:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  At, after nineteen ninety-two, they was like, no more positive rap.

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was whenever Straight Outta Compton came out, because I was in Boston at the time. I remember to the day it happened.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  But Straight Outta Compton wasn't a drug-filled induced album. It was, if you look at some of the songs, you look at a lot of the songs that was on that album. It was rebellious songs against the system, you know?

• 57:35Joe Rogan?

  Fuck the police.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  And then nineteen ninety-two, man, when they decided, yo, we don't want no more De La Soul. We don't want no more Tribe Called Quest. We don't want no, you get them leather medallions off your- It's like, yo, we, we need, we need, like, yo, they was like, Self Destruction and, uh, West Coast, West Coast All-Stars. They was like, what? They coming together? Hell, no. You know, we need this to be divisive. We need them to separate. And that's crazy that, that, the, the biggest times that, that I've experienced this country being together

• 58:16Speaker 02

  was the Olympics, when the Dream Team came, nine eleven, and COVID.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  That's the biggest time that we, the three biggest times I've ever even seen us together.

• 58:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because we need something. We need something that's real. We need some sort of an event that makes us realize, first of all, the fragility of life, that's important. And we have to realize that we're all supposed to be a part of a team.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  And you can't play on a team if your teammates don't think that you valuable.

• 58:51Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, you can't play on a team if your teammates are poisoning you. If your teammates are allowing you to eat rotten food so that you can't play. And maybe giving you inferior gear on purpose. And maybe keeping you in a place where you can't get sleep. So that you're not gonna evolve. You're always gonna be tired, you're gonna be fatigued. So you're never gonna get better at whatever the fuck it is you're doing. You're never gonna advance in life. You're gonna be tired, you're gonna be on drugs, you're gonna be poor. This episode is brought to you by Armra. Every week, there's some new wellness hack that people swear by. And after a while, you start thinking. Why do we think we can just outsmart our bodies? That's why Armra colostrum caught my attention. It's something the body already recognizes.

• 59:36Joe Rogan?

  And it has hundreds of these specialized nutrients for gut stuff, immunity, metabolism, etc. I first noticed it working around training, especially workout recovery. Most stuff falls off, but I am still taking this. If you want to try, Armra is offering my listeners 30% off plus two free gifts. Go to Armra.com/Rogan.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  This is how I see.

• 1:00:00Joe Rogan?

  That's not a good team.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  This is how I see with parenting. It's hard to parent if your number one goal is survival.

• 1:00:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? It's hard to parent.

• 1:00:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  You know, you gotta parent from a comfortable space. You can't parent from nervous chickens really don't lay eggs.

• 1:00:19Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  So the thing is, you if like the way I parent now versus how my mom. My mom was strictly survival. So my thing is survival first. You know what I'm saying? Then the rest of it, you know? I don't remember going to on vacation with my parents. You know, like vacation? What? Your mom working two jobs and going to school trying to better. She's just taking care of you.

• 1:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  So I'm not, my kids go on vacation. You know, it's different, you know, so. I I see things from both sides all the time because I'm in that which makes me grateful. I'm grateful that I can do the things I can do with my family. It was in versus parenting from a place of frustration.

• 1:01:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  You know, but I understand this, this, this frustration thing, you know, I'm trying to take care of you and, you know. And then sometime I look at my kids like, you know, something you have it really easy because if I wouldn't have washed them dishes. My mom would have destroyed me.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  Because her mindset is, hey, I'm trying to take care of you, y'all got the help in this, you know, me like we have a housekeeper.

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  The housekeeper come in four days out the week, you know, and now I'm like, so you just gonna throw that stuff on the floor? And you making it hard for the housekeeper? You know, the reason why she's there four days a week is so to make your life easier, but you, you're adding on to.

• 1:02:00Joe Rogan?

  By being lazy.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  By being lazy, like, like, I don't.

• 1:02:03Joe Rogan?

  There's a balancing act, right? You want to protect your children, but you don't want them to develop soft. You want them to be able to take care of their own problems and you want them to be able to understand the consequences of their actions. So this is like fine line of like encouragement and punishment and like explaining to them. How your life was different and you have to appreciate this life. This is very unusual. You're super fortunate. But I think ultimately what they learn from is how you behave. That's a giant part of being a parent that people I don't think are totally aware of until you start doing it.

• 1:02:46Joe Rogan?

  That they understand you, whatever the fuck you say is one thing. That's great.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  What you do.

• 1:02:50Joe Rogan?

  What you do is what they really say. And if you're a lazy fucker who's always making excuses, your kids are gonna not have respect for you. They're gonna know like real early on, you're kind of full of shit.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  This is the craziest thing, though. You know how hard it is to put some on punishment and then say, hey. Pack, we going to Cabo.

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  Am I on punishment? We going to Cabo.

• 1:03:12Joe Rogan?

  Get your iPad for sixteen hours.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  When we get to Cabo, you stay in your room and overlook the ocean.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  And think about your consequences as you order room service.

• 1:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Drinking Coca-Cola, eating french fries.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Lamb chops coming to the room. He's like, yo, you on punishment, dude.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  So I can't have oysters.

• 1:03:38Joe Rogan?

  Hear the birds chirping.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  Looking at the waves. It's rough. Being, it's a certain part of success that you almost can't punish. Because it's like, I'm not staying at home because you on punishment. See, my mom would, she, ah, it's just different, you know?

• 1:04:05Joe Rogan?

  It's different.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  My mom would go in her room and turn on Nosman and the Dynasty. And I'm in my room with no TV, because it was only one TV. There's a TV in every room. It was, I mean, the punishment was come in here and watch Falcon Crest with me.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  I don't want to watch no Falcon Crest. And then you start watching Falcon Crest and now you love it. You're like, so when is it coming on again?

• 1:04:31Joe Rogan?

  You get a new character.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  That's why I like MASH. You know what I'm saying? I would be, I'd be in trouble and you watching MASH and Bonanza. Then all of a sudden, you love MASH. I cried with MASH when I was.

• 1:04:45Joe Rogan?

  You remember the dude who dressed up like a girl in MASH, Jamie Farr? He was my neighbor.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  I was your neighbor?

• 1:04:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:04:52Joe Rogan?

  Back in California. He lived right next door, two houses down.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  Wow. Clinger.

• 1:04:58Joe Rogan?

  It used to be just me and him. And then another guy built a house in between us.

• 1:05:03Joe Rogan?

  He was cool. Very friendly guy.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Played a, played a char, played a good character.

• 1:05:07Joe Rogan?

  That was a good show.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, MASH was a very good show. You know, and I, I said this the other day to a friend of mine. I said, like, I listen, I used to ride and take my kids to school and listen to morning shows. You know, really Tom Joyner, you know, listen to Tom Joyner. And this is something I can listen to with my kids. Now there's, there's no morning shows that I can listen to with my children without them putting in a different element that I'm, I don't want my kids to be a part of. You know, that's a weird thing that they cursing on radio and doing all this other stuff.

• 1:05:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, they can't curse on radio still.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  Oh. Yes, they can.

• 1:05:51Joe Rogan?

  Can they? They changed it?

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  They'll drop a B word in a minute.

• 1:05:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, a B word?

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:56Joe Rogan?

  But that's it. You can't, you can't use, you can't say fuck.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  No, but the rest of it, you know, my, you know, you got daughters, you in the car.

• 1:06:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, and you're hearing some shit you don't want them to hear.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  Like, that's, that's a weird thing, you like, so they go to school and, you know, at the, and they say, you, you watching the B, you like, damn, that was the ending of the show.

• 1:06:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  So, so now you just, we riding and listen to Keeshko, he was in with no talk, oh, I, I listened to NPR, I listened to, um, Urban, Urban Network, you know, for them to listen, now they got all these political questions and, and you know, when your five year old like, so why aren't we voting? Man, oh, it's because you've been listening to Karen Anna, it's the whole, the whole time on the way to school or from school. So, it's, um, it's weird how you, what shows would you sit down and watch with your kids now? You know, I, they had to watch the, the shows that I grew up watching, you know, got to go back.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  You got to watch Perry Mason and Family Matters and, you know, The Cosby Show, you know, Different World. We had to go back and watch Good Times, you know, can't watch the current things, you know? So, you know, even with, with comedy, I took, I took Hassan to a comedy show with me to see some friends. And he was fourteen at the time, and we left because it was no, it was nothing, the things that were being said, i- i- it kind of made me go back to when, um, Cosby did the, the story about his son going to see Eddie Murphy.

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  And his daddy said these things and. I was sitting there like, the, after the first two minutes, I'm like, yo, we gotta get out of here.

• 1:07:55Joe Rogan?

  How old was he at the time?

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  Fourteen.

• 1:07:56Joe Rogan?

  Fourteen, that's too young.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  And I'm like, yo, man.

• 1:08:00Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, the guy who's doing comedy is doing comedy for adults that are drinking in a nightclub, right?

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  No, we was at, we was at a, a event where it was all these bodybuilders, the gym. Um, Next Level had did a, um, a show for all the, the, the people that work out there and the trainers. And I'm thinking, okay, this is at a ballroom, you know, it's probably gonna be pretty cool. And I, I stopped in, you know, we sat in the back and then it went left. And I was like, hey, man, let's get out of here. And he seen me, and so he's like, nah, this ain't, this ain't the same. I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going for a certain type of laugh, I'm not doing shock value, you know?

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  So he's watched almost all the specials, you know, so it's not the, it's not the, the same for, for him. You know, and he look, he knows a lot of comics, so it's, it's not, this wasn't conducive. I was like, Hassan, we out.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  We out of here, he's like, but it's some comics, you can go and you can watch they, they whole show, like a Marcus D Wiley. He can get an understanding of at least marriage, you know, how, how marriage go to give you some, some fuel. But I think the, the landscape of, of comedy is different for different people, not knocking the people who do shock value or, or, or a lot of sexual content, that, that's their, that's their stick. And they, and they probably young and at some point they'll grow, hopefully they'll grow and it'll be more things in life to talk about. People like, well, how do you have this many specials?

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  Um, because I have a life, you know, I had a life before that I talked about and then I have a life, a current life. That, you know, I'm still experiencing things, so I'm gonna talk about things that, that's, that's a little different. Because I'm, I'm living and I'm not stuck in, sex is not the, the number one thing. I, I remember I, when I, when I figured that I was, sex wasn't that big when I went to, you know, they had the thing Netflix and chill. And I actually wanted to watch the movie.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  I'm like, oh, get your hand off my leg, I'm trying to watch this movie. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:10:21Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  So, it's a, it's a thing about the development in this game of how you grow and what you think about.

• 1:10:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think comedy is just, the, one of the problems with the label is that there's no genres. It's not like blues comedy, rock and roll comedy, hip hop comedy, EDM comedy, it's just comedy. You don't know what it is. It's just different people's perspective on things. And there's different kinds of comedy that people like, you know, some people are giant Richard Pryor fans, some people are Sam Kinison fans, some people are Jerry Seinfeld fans. And some people love Bonnie Raitt and some people love, you know, whatever, James Brown, fill in the blank. There's a lot of different styles of music and there's a lot of different styles of comedy. And all that I care is that you enjoy what you're doing and you're doing it because you enjoy it.

• 1:11:12Joe Rogan?

  And if you're doing that, I don't give a fuck, I don't give a fuck what you're doing. I don't care if you have props, I don't care if you write signs and hold them up for the crowd, I don't give a shit what you're doing. I don't care if you do impressions, I don't give a fuck what you're doing.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  That, that was a, a huge, so when, talk about the scope of comedy, you know, I'm, I can start with Carol Burnett and I, I watched that. But the, the guy who I watched on HBO a lot, I knew I wasn't gonna do that type of stand up. It was, that was just a whole different thing, but Gallagher was crazy to me.

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Crazy?

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  That was the craziest.

• 1:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Everybody wore plastic, they had garbage bags around their necks.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  What, six rows?

• 1:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just getting splattered with watermelons and pineapples and coconuts and whatever the fuck he was, cabbage. It was ridiculous, ridiculous, but he also had some good jokes, he had some solid jokes in between then. Dude did a ton of specials.

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:07Joe Rogan?

  You know the craziest story, the Gallagher story? Is Gallagher retired and his brother took over? His brother was Gallagher II. So he had a brother that kinda looked like Gallagher.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  I remember that.

• 1:12:19Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  I remember Gallagher II.

• 1:12:20Joe Rogan?

  And then, somewhere down the line, Gallagher decided he wants to start doing comedy again. And he's like, "Hey Gallagher II, the gig is up." And he's like, "No, no, no, no, no. I'm making money. I'm Gallagher II." I think there was some sort of a legal dispute. Find out if that's correct. There was a legal dispute between them. Gallagher's younger brother Ron, who shared a strong likeness to Leo, asked him for permission to perform shows using Gallagher's trademark sledgeomatic routine. Leo granted his permission on the contingent, on the condition that Ron and his manager clarified in promotional materials that this was Ron Gallagher, not Leo Gallagher, who was performing. Ron typically performed in venues smaller than those of which Leo Gallagher performed.

• 1:13:05Joe Rogan?

  After several years, Ron began promoting his act as Gallagher II, or Gallagher T O O, or T W O. In some instances, Ron's act was promoted in a way that left unclear the fact that he was not the original Gallagher. Leo initially responded by requesting only that his brother not use the sledgeomatic routine. "You can't use the fucking, you can't use the sledgehammer." Ron nonetheless continued to tour as Gallagher II using the routine. In August 2000, Leo sued his brother for trademark violations and false advertising. The court ultimately sided with Leo and granted an injunction prohibiting Ron from performing any act that impersonated his brother in small clubs and venues.

• 1:13:47Joe Rogan?

  This injunction also prohibited Ron from intentionally bearing likeness to Leo. What? Imagine you can't look like your brother?

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  Cut your, cut your mustache.

• 1:13:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta change your mustache. You gotta get rid of the beard. That's crazy. So did, um, did Gallagher continue with his career after he kicked his brother out? Did he come back?

• 1:14:09Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 1:14:10Joe Rogan?

  Was that part of it?

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think, I don't know.

• 1:14:14Joe Rogan?

  Nobody mean, does it say it there?

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  Didn't say it here, no.

• 1:14:16Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't say?

• 1:14:17Speaker 03

  Not specifically in this paragraph, no.

• 1:14:19Joe Rogan?

  Does, did, when did Gallagher start performing again? Put that in a search, see what it says. Cause I think he did start performing again.

• 1:14:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, he says, it's, uh, he was rushed to the hospital after performance in 2011.

• 1:14:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:14:33Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:14:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay. And what year did he sue his brother?

• 1:14:37Speaker 03

  2000.

• 1:14:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so he did start doing comedy again. So that's it, yeah. So he's like, hey, motherfucker.

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, he had a special in 2007 and 2014.

• 1:14:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't be doing that with Gallagher too, running around siphoning off of your crowd. You know, people like, honey, you wanna spend 50 bucks and see Leo? Or do you wanna spend 20 bucks? See basically the same shit.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  See Ron.

• 1:15:02Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:45Joe Rogan?

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• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  Then you had, yeah, carrot top.

• 1:17:26Joe Rogan?

  And imagine saying, "Yeah, you could perform, but you can't use a sledgehammer."

• 1:17:32Speaker 02

  I would use a mallet. What about a mallet? Can I use a mallet?

• 1:17:34Joe Rogan?

  Can I use a baseball bat? Can I just have someone pitch me things and I smash them into the crowd?

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:41Joe Rogan?

  You can't own that.

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a different thing. I'm handing out oranges and tomatoes in the audience.

• 1:17:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I honestly, I don't give a fuck what you do, as long as you like what you're doing. It's like, I love certain kinds of music that's completely opposite to other shit that I love. I mean, I like all kinds of stuff. I don't think you should pigeonhole yourself with anything. But I would not take my kids, especially when they were really young, to see someone who's like very sexual, or really rowdy, or really raunchy, like, I don't want to see that.

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  You know, the caveat to this is, he was in the green room, and they were looking right at him. Like, they, and I'm like, tell, tell me...

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  What you, I didn't know they act.

• 1:18:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so he didn't say, "Hey, bro, you got young kids?"

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, hey, man. Cause I would say, "Hey, man, tonight, you know."

• 1:18:31Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:33Speaker 02

  This is at an event, bro.

• 1:18:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I would definitely do that. Especially if you were another comic and you brought your kids, I'd be like, "Bro."

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause Juan Villareal used to bring his kids.

• 1:18:44Joe Rogan?

  Seven minutes on dick sucking, we gotta.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  Like, yo, you gotta, you had to get him out of here.

• 1:18:50Joe Rogan?

  They don't need to know about all these techniques.

• 1:18:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's weird, you know, but.

• 1:18:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that is weird, but you know what I mean? It's like time and a place. Like, who was he doing it for? I mean, they probably knew what he did before they hired him. They probably wanted that. Someone's a fan. Which is fine, but just don't invite kids.

• 1:19:06Speaker 02

  And like, like I said, I didn't, all I did was, "Hey, Hassan, let's go." And that's it. I didn't, "Hey, y'all should have been," I'm like, "Hey, man, do what you do, but I'm getting my kid out of here." Man, and then you get the phone call, "Hey, man, why you leave?" You don't really wanna know why. "I'm leaving because you are terrorizing my child's ears." And then, so, yeah, it no, but I definitely wouldn't take my girls to, to like, I'm like, none of these guys, I don't know.

• 1:19:35Joe Rogan?

  They don't need to see that, really.

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  Not, not at all.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  My wife got mad at me when, I think one of my daughters was six, the other one was eight. Uh, I had them watch the movie Alien. You ever see that movie Alien, the original movie?

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:48Joe Rogan?

  Fucking terrifying. And I was like, "This is too young. This is too young. I fucked up."

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  You know, I think Hassan watched Annabelle when he was young and it was.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Annabelle's creepy.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  It was, he was traumatized. He watched it at somebody else's house.

• 1:20:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  You know, with some other kids and they, and they were like, I guess they, they understood. But Hassan was, it was a whole problem. Like, you talking about sleeping with all the lights on in the house? Like, I want all the lights on and I'm sleeping in your bed, like.

• 1:20:24Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever go to that place in Vegas? The, it's, uh, haunted by Zack Baggins, haunted museum? He has the Annabelle doll there.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:20:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. There it is.

• 1:20:37Joe Rogan?

  Which one is one on the right?

• 1:20:38Speaker 02

  Oh, hell no.

• 1:20:40Joe Rogan?

  That's the real one?

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  That's raggedy.

• 1:20:41Joe Rogan?

  Is the one on the left the movie one? Yeah. Oh, really? Interesting.

• 1:20:45Speaker 02

  Wow, so that Annabelle is both creepy as hell to me, but.

• 1:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's something kinda extra creepy about the one with eyes like a person, the left one.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 1:20:58Joe Rogan?

  You believe in ghosts?

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:21:00Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:21:02Joe Rogan?

  Have you had experience?

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  Um, no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I, it, I have, let me go back, let me, let me say that, I do believe in ghosts, so. My old house, where my mom say that now, it's a girl that lives there. You know, I don't know what happened at this house, but it's definitely a girl that lives in this house. But she would only come from like the hallway bathroom to the kitchen. And I remember during the pandemic.

• 1:21:31Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, you say girl, you mean a ghost?

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's a girl.

• 1:21:35Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:21:36Speaker 02

  She's definitely a girl. And I remember being, during the pandemic, I was in the den and I was working on, I was working on something. And literally, I just turned to say, so you up, huh? And, cause I could feel her, I was like, yo, but, and I had to go back through my family, a lot of people in my family have experiences with past relatives that, that passed on. My uncle said he saw his, his dad, which is my grandfather, on, in his shoes. And my mom said she saw my grandfather before, and that lived in, that died in the house that they had in, on Mississippi. But yeah, I believe in ghosts, I believe in unsettled spirits.

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  But we definitely had a girl that lived in that house.

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  My grandmother, the one I was telling you about before, she was very interesting, and she, uh, she really strongly believed in ghosts. And there was a guy that stayed with them for a while. They had a, um, um, like an upstairs area that they weren't using once the kids left. And so they rented out, like, it was like an attic space that they had converted or some, I forget exactly what it was. Anyway, they rented out a room to this guy, where, wherever the circumstances were, and he died. And my grandmother swore that that dude stayed in the house.

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I believe it.

• 1:22:54Joe Rogan?

  I think it's possible that if something happens to you.

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  That if you're dying, it's a very traumatic experience. And I have a feeling that we don't totally understand memory. And we assume that memory is something that only human beings have, or that only animals have, or that only creatures have, living creatures have. I don't think that's real. I have a feeling there may be a type of memory from particularly traumatic experiences that stays in a space. And I think this is one of the reasons why they have to disclose within a certain amount of time if someone's been murdered in a house in a lot of places before you buy it. Because people don't want to live in a house that's got that energy in it.

• 1:23:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:37Joe Rogan?

  Because I think, I think things keep energy. I think they do. They, they, I think there's something more to memory than just as simple as, oh, remember when we were five? I think there's something else there. I think, I think that's our memory. But I think there's a type of memory in things. That's what I think.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  I, I believe in the unseen world. So I believe in gins, you know, I believe in angels. You know what I'm saying? So it's an unseen world that's not, you know, our thing. But it was things, that was things here before us, you know, so.

• 1:24:11Joe Rogan?

  I think there's things here with us.

• 1:24:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, definitely with us.

• 1:24:13Joe Rogan?

  And people who don't think that haven't smoked DMT.

• 1:24:19Speaker 02

  But I definitely believe in gin.

• 1:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Get a hold of some DMT and you're like, okay, I don't know shit. There's, there's things around me all the time. There's things that are influencing you all the time. And this is like, when we talk about like good energy and bad energy, one of the things you experience in psychedelic states is a clear recognition of like good things that you've done and bad things you've done. Good, the good way of thinking, the good way you think about things, a positive way, and bad. I remember having negative thoughts in an experience once, and it was all these like dark fractals. And then I realized it was trying to show me that these dark fractals, these crazy geometric, these like scary patterns that I was seeing was because of my own thoughts.

• 1:25:00Joe Rogan?

  And then I released them and it turned into beautiful geometric patterns over and over. And it kept saying like, look at this, and look at this. And I was like. Oh, it's actually the way you think changes the world around you. It has an effect. It might not have the ultimate effect. It might not be a hundred percent of what happens to you and in your life, but it has a meaningful effect. We just can't measure it. And there's things that are out there, whatever they are. They have some kind of consciousness that are around us all the time. We just don't have the senses to take them in. Just like when you wave your hand over an earthworm and it has no fucking idea you're doing that. We don't have the senses to understand that there's things around us.

• 1:25:43Joe Rogan?

  And people have been writing about these things for so long. To discount them all, they're all liars, they're all delusional, they're all crazy.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  I think that people discount on dudes are thinking that they were on drugs.

• 1:25:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, they probably were. But it doesn't mean they're wrong.

• 1:26:01Speaker 02

  It doesn't mean, it doesn't mean they're wrong, you know, like, like a, um, a drunk, a drunk really don't tell a lot of lies.

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  Drunk don't tell a lot of lies. They go, I can't, I'm drunk, I can't even remember all that, I'm just saying what it is.

• 1:26:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  It was saying, but when you, when people like LSD, you know, you hallucinate, you know, or mushrooms or these things, people are like, well, you only saw that because you was on this. But maybe that's the portal on how you see certain things.

• 1:26:35Joe Rogan?

  I think there's certain things that we block ourselves from being able to see by our own protective instincts. We protect our thoughts. I mean, this is why people, I think, get paranoid when they smoke weed. One of the things that weed does is it dissolves all these artificial barriers that you've put between you and the thoughts of real danger. They're all, they're all there. You realize your vulnerability, you realize who you are.

• 1:26:59Speaker 02

  So just think of how, years ago, how weed was viewed, how marijuana was viewed. Um, it was taught that marijuana is a gateway drug to crack. Like, I didn't believe that. Like, how does that even correlate? But it's for those who are trying to find an ultimate high. Maybe you just smoked weed and that's all you ever did, you know? And you wasn't trying to find another high. I think some people try to find another high like now.

• 1:27:34Speaker 02

  Man, a lot of these young people are on so many different things at the same time. Like, what are you searching for? You know, they popping pills, doing coke, drinking lean, doing everything all at the same time. Like, what is, and drinking, like, what, what? What are you trying to escape or what are you searching for? You know, and I just know people who just smoke weed and still smoke joints. They're like, they don't smoke the, I know people who grow their own bud. They're not even trusting what's going on now. Now they finding fentanyl and all this marijuana, you know.

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  And pesticides.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  Pesticides.

• 1:28:11Joe Rogan?

  Horrible pesticides, because what people don't know is that a giant percentage of all the drugs, or marijuana, rather, that people are buying in places where it's illegal, they're growing them in national forests in California, and the cartel's doing it. And the cartel uses a bunch of pesticides and herbicides that are illegal, like, real toxic shit. And they find them doing it all the time. They find these grow ops in the forest all the time, because it's a misdemeanor. So, because marijuana is legal in the state of California, growing it is just a misdemeanor. So you could have a full-scale grow op in, you know, public land, out in the forest, and these guys find them there all the time. A friend of mine found one in a ranch that he works at.

• 1:28:56Joe Rogan?

  He followed these PVC pipes, and he realized that some guy was diverting water into this little area that was on Tahoma Ranch, which is a big ranch outside of Bakersfield. But, um, this dude that was on my podcast before, his name's John Norris. He wrote a book about it. He was a game warden, and he had a, it turned into a tactical unit. They had to get, like, dogs, like Belgian Malmois and shit, with bulletproof vests, and they're going in there having shootouts with the cartel. Because the cartel had set up these marijuana grow ops in the woods. And it was his job to police that area. So like, okay, I guess that's what we're doing now. And then they, it's a crazy story, man.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  Sound like moonshine. That's why you was doing moonshine.

• 1:29:37Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:29:38Speaker 02

  And this thing, moonshine, moonshining developed into NASCAR.

• 1:29:42Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:29:45Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. They had to outrun the cops.

• 1:29:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what NASCAR came about from. It's fun. It's, I mean, listen also, it's Al Capone. You know, it's all the, the mob. They were all running alcohol. And there's a lot of people that were connected to them. You know, some people believe that JFK's dad was involved in alcohol. But that's disputed. But the point is, like, a lot of people were making money selling alcohol and they were all criminals. All of them. And so, what are you doing? Are you stopping people from getting marijuana? Nope. What you're doing is you're empowering a criminal empire. And you're giving them an immense amount of money. And they're probably gonna have to kill a few people because people get in the way. They're probably gonna have to rob a few people because people are competition. There's a little bit of a problem over here. We got another guy growing.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  When we live in, we live in a, a society where the bad guy is definitely romanticized.

• 1:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:30:40Speaker 02

  So how do you stop people from wanting to be the bad guy? When it's so romanticized in, in everything, you know?

• 1:30:49Joe Rogan?

  It's romanticized to the point where John Wick is a good guy.

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:54Joe Rogan?

  John Wick is a contract killer for the Russian mob. He kills who knows how many fucking people. And he's the good guy.

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  But, but you got a problem with the Iceman.

• 1:31:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, the Iceman was a terrible person. You know?

• 1:31:10Joe Rogan?

  He did it with poison. John Wick at least looks sexy in that suit.

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  But you cannot wait for John Wick 6 to come out.

• 1:31:16Joe Rogan?

  I can't wait. I love those, well, the John Wick movie though, like, he had a reason. They killed his dog and they stole his car. They fucked up. They fucked up. They stole the wrong guy's car and they killed the wrong guy's puppy. And so you're rooting for him. You're rooting for him to kill all these bad Russian guys, but you don't realize, like, that guy's been a contract killer for the Russian mob for who knows how, how many dads has he assassinated? How many fucking people that have families that will never come home to them because of John Wick?

• 1:31:41Speaker 02

  And, yep, and sometimes, a lot of times, you know, people don't care.

• 1:31:46Joe Rogan?

  We don't care.

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  It's weird.

• 1:31:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, we're weird. We're a weird animal. We're a weird animal in a constant flux of thoughts. And we, you know, trying to figure out what's the right way to think and the wrong way to think. And people join religions for it, they'll join cults for it, they'll join political movements for it. They just want to find a way to think that makes them feel better than the way they think right now.

• 1:32:07Speaker 02

  You know, with...

• 1:32:10Speaker 02

  With the need to feel better outside of yourself, you know, or

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  your family, you know, or being, you know, great to society. I think that's detrimental to this society. Well, I just, I personally need to feel better, but I don't want the community around me to feel better. And in my mind, if everybody around you in the community feels better, I think it makes for a more harmonious, you know, environment than me just being the only one.

• 1:32:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's because you're a wise person. The problem is there's a lot of people that aren't wise and there's no one wise around them. And that's, that's the real issue, is that there's this extreme lack of like a, a, a good direction book of how to lead a solid life. You're not taught at school. At school, you're taught to sit down and learn some shit that you don't give a fuck about learning. Memorize this, be, do good on the test. You gotta get a job. What's a job? Well, you gotta sit there and do some shit you don't wanna do to get some money. And with the rest of your time, you could do whatever you want as long as you keep showing up every morning at the same spot. Okay. And then that sucks. And so what do you wanna do? I wanna escape this suck. So what do I need? Cold syrup? Okay, give me some of that. What do I need? Weed? Give me some of that. Adderall? Ooh, Adderall makes me like the job.

• 1:33:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I'll take this shit every day. Now I don't give a fuck. Now I'm trying to get ahead. Next thing you know, I'm moving up the corporate ladder. I'm a fucking animal, bro, cuz I'm on Adderall. You're basically on meth. You're on a well-designed, slow drip amphetamine and you're out there fucking sleeping four hours a day, getting shit done, you know, driving a Jaguar.

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  And this is the problem of society is that like people don't have a real, there's a lot of people out there that don't really have a purpose. They don't have a real feeling of purpose in their life. You are very fortunate because you've found a thing that you're really good at, you love to do, and you make a great living doing it. A lot of people don't have a thing and they don't never, they never were taught to pursue a thing, or they never saw anybody else do it, and they realized they could do it too. And then, next thing you know, they're married, and they have kids, and they're in their 30s, and then they're in their 40s, and they feel like shit.

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  I ask you a question.

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• 1:36:28Speaker 02

  You have a team, correct? Team of people.

• 1:36:31Joe Rogan?

  Terms of what?

• 1:36:31Speaker 02

  Team of people.

• 1:36:32Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:36:36Speaker 02

  Would, do you think your team is happy doing whatever they do for the team?

• 1:36:44Joe Rogan?

  If I didn't think that, they wouldn't be working.

• 1:36:46Speaker 02

  Okay, so you don't want to be the only one happy on the team?

• 1:36:50Joe Rogan?

  No. No, that's terrible.

• 1:36:52Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:36:52Joe Rogan?

  And you don't want to also have someone on the team that is one of those people that just is never happy? That's a problem too.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:59Joe Rogan?

  That's a problem too.

• 1:37:00Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:37:01Joe Rogan?

  There's people out there you can't fix.

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  So with, like I, I produce other people's specials now. And comics that hit me, hey man, I want you to do my special, I want you to do this for my special. And the hardest thing, because I'm a small company. The, the, the hardest thing is when I have to explain to somebody why it's a no. You know, on this particular special. And it's not just my no. It is for other people's no, because I tell people, and I explain this. If we doing a special with you, you have to get the approval of all five of us.

• 1:37:48Speaker 02

  Because we all five do different things. And I want everybody who's involved in your special to want to do it. Not they have to do it because it's a part of the company. No, I want them to want to do it. And I say, I'm not putting you through a process that I'm not putting myself through. You understand? And I've tested, and I've tested this team with me, um, giving them a special that I knew that wasn't special.

• 1:38:19Speaker 02

  And I'm the, the head. I'm like, I sent it out and they, and we brought it back to the table. And there was a lot of silence at first. I'm like, so what we think? What we thinking? And they was like.

• 1:38:32Speaker 02

  I know, like, I mean, this is our, I'm like, and I'm just listening to everybody's, you know, opinion on it. And they was like, I don't understand the direction, I don't understand where you're going with this, I just, you know, we gonna have to fix a lot of it, I'm like, and I'm just sitting there listening. And we took the vote. And when we turned the vote in, it was five no's. And they was like, so did, what, what was your take on it? I said, I knew it was a no from the beginning. I just wanted to make sure that y'all wasn't gonna try to fluff me with the, you know, cause he's the head, I'm, we're gonna say yes. And I'm like, good. So anytime we do a project, it was that I put it on the table, just like I put anybody else's project on the table.

• 1:39:16Speaker 02

  And you gotta get all five people. If you want me to finance, you gotta get me. Then you gotta get the marketing person that's gonna market, then you gotta get the director, you gotta get the, um, the, the manager, you gotta get everybody. So they can feel good about pushing your project. I don't want anybody pushing a project that they don't like.

• 1:39:35Joe Rogan?

  That's very smart. Yeah, so you make it a democracy. Smart.

• 1:39:40Speaker 02

  So if you got all five of us, then now we ready. You understand? And, and now I'm gonna feel good about somebody coming to me and say, this is gonna cost this.

• 1:39:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  Cause I know they're doing it out of, hey, man, this is what it's gonna cost, we gonna figure it out, we, and I'm like, cool. But even when I do a special, man, they, it is a lot of, you don't wanna talk about this part? Like, no, it's like, we should talk about this part. And, and it's been some decisions that have been made that was, it was my call at the end, but it was somebody else's idea, like with Domino Effect. It would have never been a Domino Effect two, three, or four, if I would have stuck with the name that I started with. The name was nineteen eighty-three. So how, what it was gonna be, eighty-three, eighty-six?

• 1:40:34Speaker 02

  It's like, it's like, and I, Rugged, um, which won, uh, what, three Webby Awards? Rugged was, was the original name was, I'm Not Handy. And Eric called me and was like, No, we're, we're, I, I, I've listened to it, I watched it so many times, I think that we should go with this name. And he, he gave it a name, and I sat on it for a day, and then I called him back, I'm like, yeah, you about right.

• 1:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's good, that means you got good people.

• 1:41:05Speaker 02

  And I think that you, people should put, like, right now, I'm on the custom fit tour. Uh, well, I'm, I'm off into August, cause I'm gonna take six weeks of vacation. But custom fit is not going to be a special. It's just the tour that I'm doing now, because the specials that I'm writing are different than what I, I just wanted to take this time to just do some material. I didn't wanna

• 1:41:35Joe Rogan?

  Have a theme.

• 1:41:35Speaker 02

  Be working on the special.

• 1:41:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  But the theme is about, people think custom fit is about clothes, it's not about clothes, it's about tailor making the people around you, I'm saying, that can, you can be a benefit to, it can be a benefit to you, I'm saying, not just having these people around, cause you know, sometimes people have a bunch of people around that secretly despise them, you know, and secretly despise their success. And that's, uh, that's detrimental to anything.

• 1:42:06Joe Rogan?

  Haters.

• 1:42:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sometimes haters will get real close to you, stay, stay next to you. It's a problem. I mean, when you're in a position like you're in too, when you're producing other people's specials, you're gonna get a bunch of people that come to you that you don't wanna do their shit. It's just like owning the club, the same issue. The way I bypassed that, I put all the power into Adam. Adam Eget decides who's there and who's not there, and how, how the, the club gets scheduled, and you know, who passes and who doesn't. And they, he's really good at it, you know, he's really good at it. He's, I trust him implicitly, so I don't have to think about it. And I like it, so that when people say, I wanna work your club, I'm like, well, you gotta talk to Adam. I just perform, I might be the owner, but I just perform there, I don't, I don't think about it in terms of like, how the scheduling is.

• 1:42:53Joe Rogan?

  I often have to check the we- website to see who's there, I don't know who's there. You know, it's, uh, it might be mine, but I got a guy who does it, and he does it really well, so why would I get involved in that?

• 1:43:03Speaker 02

  When I

• 1:43:04Joe Rogan?

  It's easier to not.

• 1:43:05Speaker 02

  When I had, um, when I had a club in Houston, I couldn't be funny in the club.

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  At all.

• 1:43:13Joe Rogan?

  Why not?

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  Cause I was actively working the club. So, I'm on stage and I'm worried about.

• 1:43:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I see.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  So many other things.

• 1:43:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:24Speaker 02

  You know, going on like, yo, did you just drop a glass on the ground?

• 1:43:29Speaker 02

  Like, I'm, I'm, it, it, I didn't have enough help, so.

• 1:43:33Joe Rogan?

  You gotta get the right help.

• 1:43:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta get the right.

• 1:43:34Joe Rogan?

  I got very fortunate in that a lot of the people that I took to Austin, they were from the Comedy Store. And they were out of work. So, the Comedy Store closed because of the fucking stupid government of LA. They wouldn't even allow them to do outside shows. Wouldn't, you couldn't do an outside show in the parking lot of the Comedy Store. They wouldn't allow it. It's so stupid. They were closed for like a good solid year and a half. They couldn't support paying all these people. So, they had to get rid of them and I moved here and it's the same time. It just by chance, it happened at the same time. And so, they were all out of work and I said, hey, let's get the band back together again. Let's, let's, do you guys wanna move to Austin? So, I paid for everybody to come out here and I paid for them. I gave them a full salary with everything for like

• 1:44:18Joe Rogan?

  a year and a half or so, maybe even more, maybe two years before anybody had to go to work. Cause the club wasn't open. So, I was like, I wanna give you a job, like, so you could settle in, get used to Austin. You're gonna get paid like you get paid, like, you're working, but you don't have to work. But, I love you, I know you, and, you know, come here.

• 1:44:41Speaker 02

  Very admirable. With, with the store, I just performed at the store, um, main room for, um, TDE. They had a, a thing before BET, so I popped in. And the, the Comedy Store has a certain politics to it. That, you know, I like the other one a little more, even though all they serve is.

• 1:45:04Joe Rogan?

  The Improv?

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  No, the.

• 1:45:06Joe Rogan?

  Laugh Factory?

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  The other Comedy Store.

• 1:45:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, La Jolla?

• 1:45:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, La Jolla.

• 1:45:08Joe Rogan?

  La Jolla is the shit.

• 1:45:09Speaker 02

  Which is.

• 1:45:10Joe Rogan?

  That place is the shit. What a club.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  They just don't have food.

• 1:45:14Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  You popcorn drinks.

• 1:45:17Joe Rogan?

  I don't believe in food at comedy clubs either.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 1:45:20Joe Rogan?

  But it's just a different environment. La Jolla is like, very nice, beautiful place. That club is awesome.

• 1:45:26Speaker 02

  I, I love performing there. And with the store in LA, it's like you get there and it's very, it seems very. You know segregated.

• 1:45:38Joe Rogan?

  This is now?

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  It to to me, that's when I.

• 1:45:41Joe Rogan?

  How long ago was this?

• 1:45:42Speaker 02

  I just performed um like last week, last Wednesday.

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  That's that's sad to hear because it wasn't like that before.

• 1:45:49Speaker 02

  It seemed like the main room and the room around the corner and the belly, all these rooms are different spaces and that's to me and I may just, it may just be that feel because I'm not there a lot, you know. But when I come, when before I came that time, but the management walked up was very pleasant.

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean by different spaces? But obviously the different rooms, what do you mean? What do you mean?

• 1:46:14Speaker 02

  It seemed like the main room is different from the room around the corner.

• 1:46:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it is different, but what do you mean by feels different?

• 1:46:22Speaker 02

  It feel it feels a little different.

• 1:46:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, just by its design, it's a big showroom. It's it's brighter, the ceilings are taller. And then you get into the original room, which is just tight and perfect. The original room is like, that's where you find out what's real, you know, I've seen a lot of people have rough sets, they were real, real confident going into that room. That room is the truth serum.

• 1:46:44Speaker 02

  I like a tight room.

• 1:46:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, then then then there's the belly room, the belly room is the ultimate truth serum. The trying out new jokes in the belly room is the place. Because, you know, only seats seventy people.

• 1:46:55Speaker 02

  Oh, that's.

• 1:46:56Joe Rogan?

  You can't bullshit those people.

• 1:46:58Speaker 02

  That's the that's the the creme de la creme.

• 1:47:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:47:02Speaker 02

  Is a tight, small.

• 1:47:03Joe Rogan?

  The belly room is.

• 1:47:04Speaker 02

  Because that's what I I came from.

• 1:47:05Joe Rogan?

  Such a good room.

• 1:47:06Speaker 02

  I came from small audiences.

• 1:47:08Joe Rogan?

  They're the best. It's the best for finding out if jokes are real. There's nothing like a small crowd, like in our club, we have the little boy. The little, we have our our rooms are named after the bombs they dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And little boy is only a hundred and ten seats. It's a super low ceiling.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  This is when, you know, it's those times in comedy when you knew that that's what you actually loved to do. And I remember I was in San Antonio at this, this place called Santa's. He, he literally owned the whole strip. The club, the watch area, the corner store, everything. A guy named Santa. I didn't know that he owned it, but it was like a rainstorm or something. It got, the show got rained out. And it is literally three people in this room. It's two ladies and this Santa. And I don't, I don't know that this is him at the time. And we had to go on to get paid. The promoter was like, I'm not paying nobody who don't go on. We still doing the show.

• 1:48:13Speaker 02

  I'm like, okay. So it is, this is a hundred dollars. He's getting paid a hundred dollars. And he was like, who, who going up? I'm like, I'm definitely going up. And I'm going up first. Like, I don't, I don't care. I did like an hour and thirty minutes for three people. And I was like, cause I kept looking and like, anybody else going up? He was like, no, we good. I'm like, I, and Santa, I remember he, he finally revealed that he was the owner of the club. And he was like, well, let me take you to the back. He took me to the back and he gave me like seven hundred dollars. He was saying for performing. He say, yeah, man, you, you wasn't scared and me and my friends had a good time. And it was like three people.

• 1:48:58Speaker 02

  It was literally the dude named Vance, um, put the show on. It was like three, Vance tell anybody, so he was like, this is when I knew Ali was different. When he went out, three people, he went first and he's like an hour and thirty. And he was like, and it didn't look like he was coming down. I'm like, yo, bruh, I'm, I'm, I'm here. This is what I do. I don't, and I need that hundred dollars. So, so that's definitely some extra motivation.

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy that no one else wanted to go up.

• 1:49:24Speaker 02

  They was like, no. And another time I was at Wiley, um, it was Wiley College. And Marcus was performing and the mic went out. And it's like all these people in this, in this auditorium, the same place they shot, um, Denzel shot the movie, The Great Debate. So we in, we in this auditorium and the sound goes out. And they start ribbing Marcus and I and I was in the back. I was like, what's going on? And he's like, the sound went out. And I walked out, I was like, what what's happening? And I said, hold on Marcus, let me, let me, let me ask him something. Wait a minute. I know damn well y'all not in here trying to give somebody a problem because y'all got us in. We didn't bring this sound system.

• 1:50:07Speaker 02

  Got us in fair east side high before it's broken clock and and so I say, listen. Marcus Marcus sat down in the back. I was like, yo, this is what we gonna do. I'mma talk, y'all gonna laugh, then I'mma talk some more. But y'all can't be laughing all along because we don't have no sound. I'm not supposed to use my real voice in this. So I'm at like forty five. And then I look back at Mark, I say, hey, man, you wanna come back up? Marcus like, no, like you you got it.

• 1:50:36Speaker 02

  Like a like a hour and twenty. He's like, yo, Ali's nuts. I'm like, no, this is what I do. And I'mma figure it out.

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  We did a show at the Improv once in Hollywood and the power went out. And they were gonna cancel the show. And we were sitting there talking and I said, why don't can we light the stage somehow? And they said, yeah, we can get a um emergency light attached to like a generator. And we could put a, you know, put the run the wires through the crowd and put an emergency light on the stage. I go, that's that, we'll do that. And then we'll just do stand up with no mic. And we did the whole show with no mic. It was the opening, middle, and then me, I did a full hour. It was amazing. Everybody had a great fucking time. It felt special. It felt very unusual.

• 1:51:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:23Joe Rogan?

  You got to see what it's like, like when you don't have a microphone and you're you're projecting to the back of the room. Changed my pacing on things. But it was great. It was it felt cool. It felt like you were doing something and the audience was into it. I go, look, we're gonna have fun, right? Like, fuck it, who cares? This is gonna be, this is never gonna happen again, probably, ever. I've never, I've been doing comedy thirty something years. I've never had that happen where I did a show with no microphone, except that one.

• 1:51:50Speaker 02

  So this is the thing, these are the experiences that.

• 1:51:55Speaker 02

  As a comic going through the trenches that some comics will never have.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:02Speaker 02

  Because they didn't come up that way. And you have a different set of chops when you come up a certain type of way. I've come up and just joking had to be the craziest place. Because some nights you would come in there, it's like nine people. But these nine people are into comedy. And Alice would be like, you gotta do the show. Like, it's not a, we don't have a limit. We gotta do these people that's here. Because what the thing is, that whole idea that the show must go on regardless, regardless too.

• 1:52:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, I learned that from Paul Mooney too. And one of the things that I said, I did a show at the Comedy Store. It's like the first time that Mooney ever complimented me. And that I was always scared of him. Because like, if Mooney didn't like you, it was terrifying. Because he was a legend. He was a legend, wrote for Richard Pryor. And it was like, the way he carried himself, he didn't like you, like, huh. And I was 27, you know, I was young and stupid. And I, I went up, because I would always go up last or late, I had late spots. And there was like 15 people in the room. But I did my act. And I heard in the back of the room, oh, oh. He was laughing, having fun. And then he grabbed me afterwards, he goes, you're a real motherfucking comic. He goes, that's what a real comic does.

• 1:53:21Joe Rogan?

  He goes, all these other motherfuckers, they went up there and they did, oh, where you from? Bitch, I know where I'm from. Tell me some fucking jokes, do your fucking act, and that's what you did. And I was like, wow, Paul Mooney likes me.

• 1:53:35Speaker 02

  Me and Paul had a different type of relationship.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  Did you and Paul not get along?

• 1:53:44Speaker 02

  One, I have to always say, I love, I love Paul until I met him.

• 1:53:52Speaker 02

  It's like Paul was on some bullshit when I met Paul, man. I was at the improv and I was featuring for him. And the improv, it got me to feature for him and I was like, cool, I'm excited. I get to meet one of my idols in this game, one of the people who changed the course of my pacing. Cause my lineage just sitting down. I passed through Paul. So it's, when I first started, I was a crazy man. I was all over the place, thought that you had to have all this energy. And then this guy named Dez White walked into the club. One night I was there and Dez stood in the same exact place.

• 1:54:35Speaker 02

  He never took the mic out the stand, put his drink down on the stool and Dez just stood there. And he was destroying this room. Never took the mic out the stand. And he always, people say, Dez, Dez, why you don't take the mic out the stand? And he's like, because there's a stand. Let it hold the mic.

• 1:54:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, some of my favorite comics don't take the mic out of the stand. Ron White. Ron White just stands there with a drink on a stool, sometimes with a cigar, just killing with the microphone in the stand.

• 1:55:09Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:55:10Joe Rogan?

  Joey Diaz. Joey Diaz keeps the fucking mic in the stand and he makes me laugh harder than any fucking human being that's ever lived.

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  That, so I'm gonna go to, I'm gonna finish Paul then I'm gonna go to Ron.

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  So what did he do, though?

• 1:55:24Speaker 02

  So I'm in the green room and at the old improv where they had a downstairs, you would come through the, it used to be a rainforest cafe. Yeah, so it was spellbinding at first and then it changed. So I'm sitting in the green room and like it's a main part, then it's a smaller part. He walked into the small part and said, hey, go count the room.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  And I'm like, what? Yeah, go count the room. I was like, I don't, I don't work here like that. I don't count the room. And he's like, yeah, alright. Then he walked out.

• 1:56:04Speaker 02

  And then he came back, like maybe 25 minutes later, yeah. Tell you and your little white friend that it's packed out there and I want my bonus. What, like what white friend, what are you, what are you talking about? Raymond Cook is the manager of the club at the time, he was talking about Raymond. And I was like, yo Paul, I don't count the room, I'm, I'm the feature. Why would I be counting the fucking room? Like, and then he says something else negative to me, and I'm like, yo Paul, if you say something else to me, I'm gonna kick your ass, pal.

• 1:56:41Speaker 02

  Like, what the, what is wrong with you? So I called DL, I'm like, yo, I'm about to fucking beat up Paul Mooney. He's like, you can't beat up Paul Mooney, he's a legend.

• 1:56:52Speaker 02

  Even if you beat him up, you're, you're still not gonna win. It's like, it's gonna be a loss loss. So I'm like, yo, so then another time, oh, and then later on that, that same weekend, he had this lady with him, and she was sitting at the top, and I was sitting up there, and she got up and she left her purse. So I didn't wanna leave and leave the lady's purse there, so I grabbed, grabbed, and I got the purse like this. I came in, I'm like, hey ma'am, you left your purse. And Paul turned around, what are you doing with her purse?

• 1:57:23Speaker 02

  I said, she left it. And I, then, the only thing in my head is DL, you cannot beat up Paul Mooney. So I just walked out, I'm like, I'm gonna fuck Paul up.

• 1:57:33Joe Rogan?

  What year was this?

• 1:57:34Speaker 02

  This is, like, three years before he died. And, and, and this was the, this was, this was the old improv.

• 1:57:41Joe Rogan?

  This is what I'd heard, um, just for clarity. He was struggling in the last years of his life. So you probably didn't get the best version of Paul Mooney.

• 1:57:50Speaker 02

  So then we, we here in Austin. We performing at the, the, um, the theater that's right next to the Paramount. It's, it's another theater that's connected to the Paramount. The Black Heritage, the Black Art something, it booked both of us, not knowing that we at, we at odds. So, I'm in my green room, and the lady comes in, hey, um, she very nice, hey Ali, Paul Mooney's next door, and was saying, and you would like to meet him, and saying, and I was like, no, I'm cool. And then, she goes, Paul, Ali's next door, you know, I don't know if y'all wanna meet each other? And Paul's like, no, I'm cool. And- I went up, I'm in my green room and the host is on stage and Paul was getting ready to go up.

• 1:58:35Speaker 02

  And this was his apology. He walked by the room and came back like on um, Purple Rain. Came back and leaned in the room and said, hi Ali.

• 1:58:48Speaker 02

  I mean, Paul fucking nuts, man.

• 1:58:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he, that's, you gotta take that. You know, there's certain people are just eccentric. That's Paul. I mean, I wouldn't have counted the fucking room either. I would have been like, that's not my job.

• 1:59:01Speaker 02

  Ron White, I was in Orlando. Manager Orlando called me, say, hey Ali, um, I know you have a, I know you have a, um, a feature. But, um, Ron White would like to, um, you know, feature for you. And I was like, I don't, I don't know, um, no person named Ron White. And she's like, you don't know Ron White? I'm like, wait a minute. Like Ron White, Ron White? I thought it was like some other guy who's using his name or something like that. His name happens to be Ron White too. Like, Ron White, Ron White? He's like, yeah. I said, he want, he want a feature for who? He said, you. He called and asked. I was like, the fuck?

• 1:59:45Speaker 02

  I say, hell yeah. So I called Marcus. I'm like, yo Marcus, you gonna go up and then you gonna bring up Ron White?

• 1:59:52Joe Rogan?

  When was this?

• 1:59:52Speaker 02

  This was like maybe four years ago.

• 1:59:55Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:59:56Speaker 02

  And Ron shows up in this huge tour bus.

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  Like, I'm, I'm walking to the club and I'm like, who bus is this? And I'm like, oh shit, it's Ron's bus. It's got the Kila brand on it and all this. And he's in his bus. He's not even in the green room. Then he, then I get a knock on the door and it's his, his manager, he's like, hey, Ron would like to know, can he come in the green room? I was like, is Ron White, yeah, he can come in the green room. So he comes in, he's like, yo man, I just wanna, I love what you do. I just wanna do some time. Ron went up there and was destroying this room. And I couldn't wait to get up because I wanted to just talk about fucking Ron White just featured for me.

• 2:00:45Speaker 02

  And I destroyed his room with Ron. He sat out and watched. He was like, you're fucking amazing. And like, and my mind is, I'm still in awe that Ron White wanted to fucking.

• 2:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Wanted to work with you.

• 2:00:59Speaker 02

  I was like, that shit was crazy to me.

• 2:01:01Joe Rogan?

  That's so cool. Well, you know, when he's working on new stuff, that's what he likes to do. Likes to go around and does a lot of sets. He's constantly active. He's at the club tonight. We're working tonight. He's one of the main reasons I moved here. Ron moved here before the pandemic. So I called him up in like 2018. I'd loved having him at the store. So he started coming to the store around 2014-ish, something like that. And oh my God, we had so much fun for years and years. And he had a beautiful place up in Beverly Hills. And then he just got sick, because he's always traveling. He just got sick of the long flights and the traffic. And I called him up. I go, why'd you move to Texas? He goes, Austin's amazing. The food's fucking great. Everyone's nice. It's in the middle of the country.

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  If I want to fly to Florida, it's quick. If I want to fly to... I'm like, God damn it. Can I live in Texas? And then the shit hit the fan with COVID. And I was like, I gotta get the fuck out of California. This place sucks. They're telling me what to do. This is not what I signed up for. You tell me I can work. You tell me I have to wear a mask. Fuck you. I'm getting out of here. And when I came to Austin, it was one of the main reasons why I was willing to move here. I'm like, if we never do comedy again, at least I can hang out with Ron.

• 2:02:09Speaker 02

  That's, that's amazing.

• 2:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And then everybody else came. And then once, I mean, so everybody says that I got everybody to move here, sorta. I got a lot of people to move here, but Ron got me to move here. That's the most important thing. Like Ron got me to move here. And then I realized how nice people are here and how disconnected they are from show business. And I was like, oh, this is so refreshing. Everyone's just normal. My neighbor's a normal guy. Everyone's normal. They're regular people. Just people living their lives, having a good time, you know, it's like, and for me, you know, because I love hunting, because everyone hunts out here.

• 2:02:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's, it's like a normal pastime. I tell people I bow hunt in California.

• 2:02:48Speaker 02

  Texas is, Texas, we have been a gem for a long time. We just let, we let other people feel like they, the upper echelon. We like, okay.

• 2:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Texas ruled forever. I mean, you gotta think, Kennison and Hicks, two of the greatest of all time, came out of Houston.

• 2:03:05Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  And when I was coming here all the time, I knew it, right? So, one of the things that was good about doing comedy is, a lot of people that moved during the pandemic just wanted to get out of California, but they had no idea what the rest of the world was gonna be like. They'd never been to Nashville. They'd never been to Austin. I'd been here a couple dozen times. I knew I loved it. So, I was like, look, this'll be all right. Like, I'll be fine. Like, it looks like I'm never doing comedy again. I was like, it looks like comedy's done. It looks like they're gonna fucking make us just stay indoors, especially in like, blue cities. Like, this is crazy. You have to have a vax card to eat at a restaurant in New York City. I'm like, this is fucking bananas. None of this shit makes any sense.

• 2:03:44Speaker 02

  I remember you guys came, mothership was coming. The next thing I know, Creek in the Cave was here.

• 2:03:51Joe Rogan?

  Creek in the Cave was here first.

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm saying how I heard about it. I'm like, oh, they were like, Creek in the Cave? I'm like, damn, okay, Creek in the Cave is coming from New York. And then mothership is here and then, but they had rooms. You know, the main thing was, um, what was the room that, that was, um, so hard to get in at first? Um, it was the Austin Comedy Club. Damn, I forget the name of it.

• 2:04:16Joe Rogan?

  Valvita Room?

• 2:04:17Speaker 02

  No, no, it was the actual comedy club.

• 2:04:20Joe Rogan?

  Cap City?

• 2:04:20Speaker 02

  Cap City.

• 2:04:21Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:04:21Speaker 02

  Um, Cap City.

• 2:04:23Joe Rogan?

  That place was always packed.

• 2:04:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know.

• 2:04:25Joe Rogan?

  I almost bought that place.

• 2:04:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I heard that.

• 2:04:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I almost bought that whole mall, but the guy, the guy who was trying to sell it to me wanted way more than it was worth. And then he got roped up in some FBI investigation. I was told while it was going on that he was being investigated. And I was like, oh, okay. And then he wound up getting arrested and, but that building was for sale. The whole thing was for sale. And I went in there, I thought about how many shows I'd been there, how many shows I'd seen there, how many shows I'd performed there over the, I'm like, I could own this place? Oh, my God.

• 2:04:58Speaker 02

  Cap City was the first place, um, that I did on the road with, um, DL.

• 2:05:04Joe Rogan?

  That was a great club. Fucking great club, perfect club. That place was amazing, such a fun place to work.

• 2:05:12Speaker 02

  I think that people don't, didn't realize how the rich history of Houston, Dallas, Austin.

• 2:05:19Joe Rogan?

  Laugh Stop.

• 2:05:19Speaker 02

  San Antonio.

• 2:05:20Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Laugh Stop in Houston, in River Oaks, one of the greatest clubs of all time. Somebody told me that that building still exists like that, that it's still set up like that, that there's nothing in it. Is that true?

• 2:05:32Speaker 02

  There's nothing in it, though.

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  But it's still the same room?

• 2:05:34Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:05:35Joe Rogan?

  Man, we might have to do a mothership Houston.

• 2:05:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a, yeah.

• 2:05:41Joe Rogan?

  See, if there's another city that could support like a large group of talented up and comers, Houston's one of them.

• 2:05:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you know, we have a secret group there, we have, um.

• 2:05:53Joe Rogan?

  They had the other Cap City that was upstairs, remember they opened up the second one? They closed that one and they opened up another one.

• 2:06:00Speaker 02

  You talking about Laugh?

• 2:06:01Joe Rogan?

  No. Cap City?

• 2:06:02Speaker 02

  Cap City had another one?

• 2:06:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm sorry, Laugh Stop.

• 2:06:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, Laugh. That was the Laugh Spot.

• 2:06:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they, no, no, no, they had that already, that already existed.

• 2:06:10Speaker 02

  No, the Laugh Spot had went upstairs on wall, they had moved.

• 2:06:14Joe Rogan?

  I thought that was the Laugh Stop. I thought it was the same group that, no, it was the same group that owned the Laugh Stop in River Oaks. The Laugh Spot was another place. I knew that because when I was working at the Laugh Stop, Ralphie May was working at the Laugh Spot. And we, we got together, we're hanging out and eat dinner. But that was, that was, that was the old spot. Then there was the other Laugh Stop that they put upstairs. It was a new, but it didn't last, it was only for a couple of years.

• 2:06:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't go to, I didn't go to that.

• 2:06:45Joe Rogan?

  It was a good spot, then it went under.

• 2:06:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:06:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Ari Shafir did it with a Hitler mustache once. He trimmed his mustache to look like Adolf Hitler.

• 2:06:56Speaker 02

  Ari is, Ari is, is by far the craziest person that I know. Like, I thought my Uncle Mac was the craziest person, and then I met, then I met Ari, I'm like, this is the craziest person that I know.

• 2:07:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's awesome.

• 2:07:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and.

• 2:07:11Joe Rogan?

  He just moved to England, I'm like, brother, gonna stab you. He moved to England, they will fucking stab you, they stab people there, don't, don't get stabbed.

• 2:07:19Speaker 02

  Ari is nuts, but he's such a cool dude, but he's fucking nuts. I, I, I went to go see him, um, at the Creek in the Cave when he, um, was getting ready to film his special, and. I like, yo, Ari is so, Ari is so crazy. If you just, if people took time, just, just go through the, the many looks of Ari Shafir on the internet. The one that killed me was the half. He was just bald on one side, then on the other. I'm like, yo, is he doing Two-Face? He is insane.

• 2:07:56Joe Rogan?

  He did Two-Face for Batman. Yeah, he's out of his mind. But, but that's really who he is, you know? He ain't, he's not trying.

• 2:08:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's not trying, he's not trying.

• 2:08:04Joe Rogan?

  He's out of his mind. He's a complete maniac.

• 2:08:09Speaker 02

  When he tore up Burt, when I heard about him tearing up Burt's check, it was like twenty-five thousand dollars. He's like, yo, I just made twenty-five thousand. He just tore the check up, and they wrote you another one.

• 2:08:20Speaker 02

  Are you insane?

• 2:08:25Speaker 02

  He is, he is the craziest person, but.

• 2:08:27Joe Rogan?

  He's fun.

• 2:08:28Speaker 02

  I've had some great conversations on the phone with him, and he's just, and I, I was.

• 2:08:33Joe Rogan?

  Very fucking smart dude. Very smart dude.

• 2:08:36Speaker 02

  When he called me to do the, um, his last, the endless. You know, I was like, that's cool to see. Cause that, that's where, I, I, that's a pivoting point, a major point in my career when I did, um.

• 2:08:50Joe Rogan?

  This is not happening. Yeah.

• 2:08:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was a great show, man. It was a great idea. I remember when he started doing it. He started doing it at the lab at the improv. So, you remember the lab?

• 2:08:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  Another little room.

• 2:09:00Speaker 02

  Move ity room.

• 2:09:01Joe Rogan?

  Cool little room. Um, they should have never got rid of that room. They, they changed that place and they fucked it up, in my opinion. That's the room, the, the main room's still awesome, but the lab used to be in the back. And it was like, there wasn't a big bar there.

• 2:09:17Speaker 02

  I think it's still there.

• 2:09:18Joe Rogan?

  It's different now.

• 2:09:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, Dion Cole, well, last time I was there, Dion Cole.

• 2:09:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's different. It's not, it's not the same setup. It used to be, you went through a door and it was like another small room. And in that small room, it was separated from the front door. They moved the front door and now everybody went in through the parking lot, right? And so they went into the lab through the parking lot. So the, the front door was back there that now, and when you would open it, it was all this noise. From the street and they had a curtain to block off the noise and you'd hear people talk. They were like right next to your stage where they were buying tickets. It was annoying. And then there was the bar, which was right there. It's still a cool little small room once everybody settles in. But the original setup was way better. And Ari started doing it there. And I was like, what are you doing? And he's like, I'm gonna do a storyteller show. I was like, ugh, what the fuck is that?

• 2:10:08Joe Rogan?

  That's what I thought. I was like, why, why are you doing that? And then he said, well, it really helps you without like having to have like punchlines and setups and have everything really tight. You could find the beats in a story. And I was like, oh, well, actually, that's brilliant. That's pretty fucking smart. It's a good alternative sort of way to, to develop bits. You know, you, you develop bits by working it out, but into a more loose format of telling a story.

• 2:10:33Speaker 02

  And I didn't even know that that's, that was the premise behind it. Cause when I got it, um, it was like you'd go on, he'd tell a true story. And I was like, okay, cool. That's my, that's my thing.

• 2:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:10:46Speaker 02

  You know, and I had, um, just won Comedy Central's Comic to Watch in like 2013. So you get a package, you get an album, you get a half hour and you get a chance to go on one of the shows that's already on, um, Comedy Central. So they was pitching me the Adam Devine show and I was like, mm, I don't like it. And it was another show. I was like, nah, I'm cool. So every show that they would say that they wanted me to go on, I was like, nah, that really ain't my thing. So then Chase DeRusso, young comic, called me and said, hey, listen, you might wanna go on, this is not happening. I was like, what's that?

• 2:11:30Speaker 02

  He said, it's, it's a show, start on the internet. You know, you, I went on it. I, I watched both, I think both seasons of it on the internet. And I was like, yo, this is the, this is the one. So I called Ann Harris, that, that comic, I was like, this is the show that I wanna do. And Ari didn't know me. Ari's like, I don't know him. But Eric Abrams is one of the co-creators of the show. He's like, I know him, so he's pretty good. You should bring him on. And Ari was, Ari telling everybody, he's like, I didn't know what he was gonna do. But all I know, it was a true, all you had to do was tell a true story. And I was like, perfect.

• 2:12:12Speaker 02

  Eric thought that I was gonna do the story that I did on the second time that I was on. But I, and I'm like, when I got there, I was listening to people's stories. And I was like, nah, I'm gonna do a lighter story. Cause his second story is Mitchell. It's like when I was gonna kill this CO. And I was like, nah, I should do a lighter one. And then I did the prison riot, which is affectionately known as Mexican got on boots. And Ari's like, best fucking story I ever heard. And like, me telling the story about a riot, a prison riot.

• 2:12:47Speaker 02

  And I was telling them what happened. And I only did like sixteen minutes of what happened. That, that was a whole, that was a whole ordeal. Like, it wasn't a sixteen minute riot. It was like nine hours. Like, the whole thing is like nine hours. I only told the beginning part of it, which was, you know, pretty cool.

• 2:13:07Joe Rogan?

  You know what happened? Ari lost the show, right?

• 2:13:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:10Speaker 02

  And so that, so when the show came back, it's with Roy Woods. They called me to do it. And the loyal spirit in me, I called Ari first. I was like, hey, they want me to do this show. I'm really not fucking with it. And he's like, no, no, do it. I was like, what? He's like, I heard about all the stuff. He's like, man, do it. Eric, Eric is still shooting it. He was saying, so you should do it. He goes, we wanted you to be the host, but they didn't, they didn't want you to do it. You know, they got Roy, which is cool.

• 2:13:50Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they wanted anybody affiliated with Ari to do it.

• 2:13:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:53Joe Rogan?

  They were punishing Ari.

• 2:13:55Speaker 02

  So when they asked?

• 2:13:56Joe Rogan?

  We should tell people why. So for people that don't know, um, they, Ari got a deal. He got an offer to do a Netflix special. And he wanted to do it. And, um, they wanted him to do the special on Comedy Central. And he said, well, I don't have to. It's not in my contract. They said, well, if you don't do it, we're gonna cancel your show. And he was like, wow. I can't believe you would do that.

• 2:14:18Speaker 02

  And that ain't what you tell Ari.

• 2:14:19Joe Rogan?

  Nope, nope. So, we were trying to figure it out. I offered to host it for free. I said, I will come in and host it. I'd already done it. So, I'll come in and I'll host it for no money. I go because he wanted to make sure that everybody was paid. He was gonna take out a loan. And Ari was gonna pay all the grips, all the camera people. Because they, you know, these people, they chart out their year. They're like, oh, I'm doing this is not happening for the next six weeks. And then I'm doing this for five weeks. And I'm, that's their year. And that's how they budget their life. And Ari decided that he was gonna take out a loan to pay everybody. So, and I'm like, wow. I go, listen, man. They go, tell Comedy Central that I'll host it for free. They weren't interested. They weren't interested in anybody affiliated with him. He tried to, he offered up a bunch of other comics.

• 2:15:02Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:15:03Joe Rogan?

  They weren't interested.

• 2:15:04Speaker 02

  So, I was in that group of the, the bunch. Because I know it was you, it was Joey, it was me, Bert. And they just got me to do it. Once Ari told me it was cool, we was like, man, do it.

• 2:15:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Ari would never try to stop anybody from working.

• 2:15:21Speaker 02

  So, what I, what I went on and, and did in my protest of, you know, you didn't want Ari. So, what I did was told a story about Ari.

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  I just told her like, okay, cool. And it's like, my story is mushroom story, which is, and Ari, she was, I was like, second, and I thought I was, yo, second season I did this show, Ari gave me, uh, mushrooms. And, and I went to the whole thing of what happened when Ari gave me the mushroom. I ate the mushroom. I didn't know that they were mushrooms mushrooms. I thought they were something else. And it was like, I ate an eighth of mushrooms. And it was a long day.

• 2:16:09Joe Rogan?

  Rude thing to not tell you to not eat all of them.

• 2:16:12Speaker 02

  And, and I remember Janice, Janice was my assistant. And I remember, I had to fly the next day. And I'm still, I'm still gone. I'm out of my shit. So, I get to the airport and I call Janice. I said, Janice, people are going through this machine. And then I'm not seeing them anymore.

• 2:16:38Speaker 02

  Dan's like, he's nuts. He's going like, and Janet said they probably going to various places. I was like, but I don't want to go to various. I want to go to Houston. So then when I get up to the TSA and I said, hey, I'm seeing a lot of people go through this machine and then I'm not seeing them anymore. Where are they going? The man said, man, various places. And I got out the line. I called Janet. I said, you are right. They are going to various.

• 2:17:09Speaker 02

  Dan's like, he's nuts. Like, he's losing it. I'm like, yo, I was so toasted and just getting on the plane with still full of mushrooms. It was, I just, I wanted to just close my eyes, but the shit just wasn't working. It was like, I was out of it. I never. It's mushrooms is a crazy thing. It's a crazy thing. And that same week, because I was there for a couple of days, Joy Diaz gave me a black star.

• 2:17:40Speaker 02

  And I remember calling somebody. He was like, yo, don't you eat that shit? He said, if you want to lose it, don't you, there's an episode of I'm on Joy Diaz. This is back when I was smoking. I had took an edible with the, uh, the Flying Jew and me and him, it's like you literally see us. I was fine at first. And then you, Joy is the only person that's in this studio that's, that's still together. And you just slowly see us just melting. We both, and then I know I, I was speaking very good English at one point. Then I was, and it was like, yeah.

• 2:18:18Speaker 02

  Joy was like, no, I understand. I don't understand.

• 2:18:23Joe Rogan?

  The church of what's happening now had some of the greatest overdose on weed moments ever in the history of the internet. Just Lee, just seeing Lee Syatt just melting because he can't keep his eyes open. He's just melting in his chair.

• 2:18:39Speaker 02

  Yo, it was like, at first I was like, yo, he's tripping. Then all of a sudden I'm like, this is not happening to me. Like, it was crazy.

• 2:18:46Joe Rogan?

  Joey Diaz doesn't give a fuck.

• 2:18:48Speaker 02

  And then.

• 2:18:49Joe Rogan?

  He goes, I want to see the devil.

• 2:18:51Speaker 02

  The other side of the story is another comic with me named Billy Sorrells. He had taken some edibles, but he ain't on the show. So he's outside. He didn't just melt it.

• 2:19:03Speaker 02

  Like he just sitting on the ground outside the like yo.

• 2:19:07Joe Rogan?

  Those black stars are 500 milligrams.

• 2:19:09Speaker 02

  Yo.

• 2:19:11Joe Rogan?

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• 2:19:53Joe Rogan?

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• 2:20:37Joe Rogan?

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• 2:20:48Speaker 02

  Ah, that was, yeah.

• 2:20:51Joe Rogan?

  I saw Joey eat two of those once. Just chucked down two of them. I'm like, that is so crazy. That's so much. You know, Jamie doesn't feel it. Edibles don't work on him. Jamie's got some weird fucking biological condition.

• 2:21:08Speaker 03

  Throw it at me, I'll try it.

• 2:21:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:11Speaker 03

  I'm not afraid.

• 2:21:11Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't, doesn't give a fuck. He's not scared of edibles at all.

• 2:21:14Speaker 02

  I've, I've done two different types of mushrooms. I didn't know that they, they were. It's like the ones where I was really on one, that's the one that Ari gave me. And then there's some other ones that made me very talkative. Like.

• 2:21:27Joe Rogan?

  Look at me.

• 2:21:39Speaker 02

  Drool on his shirt.

• 2:21:40Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he's in another dimension right now.

• 2:21:44Joe Rogan?

  He can't keep the headphones on, he doesn't know what to do.

• 2:21:49Joe Rogan?

  Joey's the best. They're back, they're doing it again.

• 2:21:52Speaker 02

  They back?

• 2:21:52Joe Rogan?

  They're back together again.

• 2:21:53Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 2:21:54Joe Rogan?

  They're doing it, are they doing it out of New Jersey? Is that what they're doing? It has to be, yeah. Yeah. He's the best.

• 2:22:01Speaker 02

  I remember I called Moses Malone for Joey, because he's a big Moses Malone fan. It was before Moses died, I called. He's like, you know Moses Malone? No fucking way you know Moses Malone. I'm like, yeah, I know fucking Moses. And then Moses was, Moses was nuts too. Like, Moses Malone was a fucking nut.

• 2:22:19Joe Rogan?

  Have you heard about these new mushrooms that make you see little tiny people?

• 2:22:23Speaker 02

  Oh, no. No, I haven't. The talkative ones were, like, I, I called a lot of people on my phone and, and everybody's same report was, you know, you called me like, 3:00 in the morning talking about you want to talk to me about my life.

• 2:22:38Joe Rogan?

  Which ones are those? What, what did you take? It's not psilocybin? It's something different?

• 2:22:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's something different. It, it made me very talkative, delay. I told Delay about him.

• 2:22:49Joe Rogan?

  What that would be?

• 2:22:50Speaker 02

  A comic named Delay, I told him about him, because I called him and I talked to him for like hours. Just about, so then he end up taking the same mushrooms, he called me and I knew what it was, I was like, "Go ahead, just talk."

• 2:23:07Speaker 02

  He was talking his ass off, I had put the phone down and went to sleep, I woke up, he was still talking. I was like, "Yo, this shit is crazy."

• 2:23:15Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 2:23:15Speaker 02

  Man, I gotta.

• 2:23:16Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, put that into perplexity.

• 2:23:18Speaker 02

  I gotta call.

• 2:23:19Joe Rogan?

  Put that into our AI sponsor and find out what mushrooms make you talkative.

• 2:23:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know who gave them to me, so I called her and asked, "Hey, what was them shrooms that you gave me?" Because she went and bought them and like, I was a fucking talkative mess.

• 2:23:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what that is, I've never heard of that before. Most of the time when people take shrooms, they can't talk. It's like, "Oh."

• 2:23:38Speaker 02

  No, I was, I was on one.

• 2:23:41Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy, I wonder what that is.

• 2:23:42Speaker 02

  Because the ones that Ari gave me.

• 2:23:44Speaker 03

  It's just measured mushrooms, just in general.

• 2:23:46Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 2:23:46Speaker 03

  Some people's response to it.

• 2:23:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it seems that there's different responses to different ones.

• 2:23:51Speaker 03

  I know, I'm saying, on the screen says what I just said.

• 2:23:53Joe Rogan?

  Huh, I don't think there's enough research for perplexity to have an educated answer. Right, how much research are they doing out there? Uh, "Talkative social on magic mushrooms, but there's no specific mushroom reliably proven to make you talkative." All right, ask if there's a mushroom that makes you see little people.

• 2:24:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's different.

• 2:24:12Joe Rogan?

  I know, I know, but I wanted to see what perplexity has to say about it. What does perplexity say? Ask it about, is there a mushroom that makes you see little people?

• 2:24:23Joe Rogan?

  Let's see if it really is up on its psychedelic science.

• 2:24:27Speaker 03

  I'm just gonna repeat the articles I just pulled up.

• 2:24:29Joe Rogan?

  I, I, but I want to see what it says, though. It's just a question to see how it handles this. Yes, a specific edible mushroom called Lanmua.

• 2:24:43Joe Rogan?

  Asiatica has been reported to cause very vivid hallucinations. You say hallucinations. Maybe they're really little people right there. Of little people, when it's undercooked, a phenomenon known as Lilliputian hallucinations. So the thing is, how do you know it's a hallucination? Maybe you're just now can see these things that people have been writing about for eons. How ignorant are people? And how arrogant are we? That we know everything that's going on all around us all the time?

• 2:25:13Speaker 02

  We don't.

• 2:25:14Joe Rogan?

  People have always thought gremlins are real. And gnomes were real. And fairies.

• 2:25:19Speaker 03

  Studying that since the 60s.

• 2:25:21Joe Rogan?

  Of course they have been. I'm studying it right now. Let's study. Let's go study mushrooms.

• 2:25:27Speaker 02

  Man.

• 2:25:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they've been studying it, but like, the real problem is, there's gotta be a bunch of... I know for sure there's other strains that are much more potent. Because I know a guy who's a mushroom guy. He's like, deep in the world of mushrooms. And he was explaining to me that there's one that's like 10x stronger. And there's one, there's new ones that they found. I think they found a new one. I wanna say in China, they found a new hallucinogenic mushroom. But this one, this Lilliputian one is weird, cuz it's not psilocybin.

• 2:25:56Speaker 03

  So it's cooked, this has something to do with cooking it.

• 2:25:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:25:59Speaker 03

  Once you're normally supposed to eat them raw.

• 2:26:01Joe Rogan?

  No, it's, um, that, I think this might be the Chinese one. Because I, I think it's a, is it? Yeah, okay. So this is, I conflated the two. So they eat it. If you cook it, and you do a real good job cooking it, you don't trip. But apparently, some people have not cooked it and eaten it and go, oh, wait a minute. What are we cooking out of this? When you're, you might be cooking out whatever the mushroom is giving you to let you see the spirit world. Or see the fairy world, or the gnome world, or whatever it is.

• 2:26:29Speaker 03

  It can get in restaurants.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Let's go. I'd be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

• 2:26:33Speaker 02

  Undercooked my...

• 2:26:36Joe Rogan?

  Just put it on some salad dressing. Send that shit out, let's go.

• 2:26:40Speaker 02

  I don't have, unfortunately, I don't have a problem with mushrooms. I think that, and I just like being-

• 2:26:46Joe Rogan?

  Unfortunately? What do you mean?

• 2:26:47Speaker 02

  Cause you know, some people like, you shouldn't be on there. I'm like, but I, I don't have a problem with mushrooms, especially if I'm in a, in a safe environment. But being at the Lowe's on mushrooms, that's not, that's not the best place to be, like-

• 2:27:05Joe Rogan?

  Also trying to fight it. If you fight it, you're fucked. If you, if you, if you start going and you start, no, I don't like this, like, uh-oh. It's gonna get dark on you.

• 2:27:15Speaker 02

  It's gonna, like, I've-

• 2:27:16Joe Rogan?

  Trying to wrestle with it.

• 2:27:17Speaker 02

  I've had them in chocolate, like little chocolate squares, and it's been, it's been a time. I, I don't, it's been a time, but-

• 2:27:25Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes it can get rough.

• 2:27:26Speaker 02

  To see little people, I definitely wanna be somewhere where, I don't, I, I just need to be somewhere safe.

• 2:27:35Joe Rogan?

  Brian Simpson has a hilarious story about, he, someone gave him a mushroom chocolate bar, and he put it in his freezer and forgot. Forgot that it was a mushroom bar, and then just ate the whole thing. And just went to Pluto.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  He's like Dr. Manhattan sitting on Mars in a fucking Lotus position.

• 2:27:56Speaker 03

  This one's kinda strange. It says, doesn't matter who you are or what you do, you're gonna have the same experience as everybody else who's done it.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Okay. At that point in time, when do we start to say, maybe there's something in this substance, this compound, this molecule, that lets you interact with something that's real, that's around you? If it's repeatable, over and over and over again, if all these people see the same thing over and over and over again, and people have been writing about it since the beginning of time. They've been writing about elves and fairies and gnomes and magic people in the woods. What do you think they were doing? They were probably eating these fucking mushrooms.

• 2:28:31Speaker 02

  So, this is a show that I watch that I still don't know-

• 2:28:37Speaker 02

  What this show is about. But I've watched, I'm on season number four. And I have no idea what that is. It's called From.

• 2:28:45Joe Rogan?

  Ah, I've been watching it. I love that show. I'm in the middle of season four right now.

• 2:28:50Speaker 02

  And so you know he's taking mushroom.

• 2:28:52Joe Rogan?

  The one guy did, yeah.

• 2:28:53Speaker 03

  Well, spoiler alert.

• 2:28:54Speaker 02

  No, but you know, but you know already.

• 2:28:56Joe Rogan?

  Spoiler. I know, but the people that are listening don't know. Yeah, don't.

• 2:28:59Speaker 02

  It's still gonna be fantastic.

• 2:29:00Joe Rogan?

  Don't fuck this up. It's good.

• 2:29:02Speaker 02

  No, it's on MGM.

• 2:29:03Speaker 03

  No, they're moving it.

• 2:29:04Speaker 02

  They're moving it. Oh shit.

• 2:29:05Speaker 03

  One of these new shows that's been talked about is getting moved.

• 2:29:07Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. That's still on Paramount.

• 2:29:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:11Joe Rogan?

  I think it's MGM. I think it's MGM.

• 2:29:15Speaker 02

  Yo.

• 2:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Great fucking show.

• 2:29:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:17Joe Rogan?

  Very original.

• 2:29:18Speaker 02

  I still, people who-

• 2:29:19Joe Rogan?

  From is officially on Netflix. There it is.

• 2:29:22Speaker 03

  And I'm saying-

• 2:29:22Speaker 02

  Oh damn.

• 2:29:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wait a minute, hold on. Maybe it's on Netflix as well.

• 2:29:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, that's all I was saying.

• 2:29:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's what it is.

• 2:29:29Speaker 03

  It came on, it debuted on Epix and then it's been moved.

• 2:29:32Speaker 02

  But you watched all these seasons. Good show, but you have no idea what-

• 2:29:38Joe Rogan?

  There's no rules.

• 2:29:40Speaker 02

  It's, and, and so I, I, I called my, um, director. I say, hey, I wanna make a show that is about whatever we doing. And he's like, well, give me an example. I say, watch From. Like, I've watched all of them. I, I cannot tell you what this show is about. It's like, like, I just know that this shit is good.

• 2:30:04Joe Rogan?

  For people that don't know, that wanna watch it, it's, there's people are trapped in this town. They all have the same circumstance. There's a downed tree in the road. They can't go further. So they back, they turn around and they find themselves in a loop that keeps leading them through this town.

• 2:30:18Speaker 02

  To the same town.

• 2:30:18Joe Rogan?

  Over and over and over and over again. And no one in the town can escape. And at nighttime, monsters come out. And they look like people. They look like a mailman. They look very normal.

• 2:30:28Speaker 02

  That scary ass milkman.

• 2:30:31Speaker 02

  Like, that milkman is insane.

• 2:30:33Joe Rogan?

  That, that old lady, the old lady that knocks on the window.

• 2:30:36Speaker 02

  Oh man.

• 2:30:36Joe Rogan?

  Terrifying. It's a terrifying show. It's, it gives me anxiety and I know it's all fake.

• 2:30:41Speaker 02

  It's, it's like, it's a crazy show.

• 2:30:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:46Speaker 02

  And season four is even more bizarre.

• 2:30:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:50Speaker 02

  Like- Everything that I be thinking, I was like, yo, I think this is what it is. And then it don't, it doesn't be that, but then it come and I'm like, see? And I, but I'm like, see what? Like, what, what am I, like, I don't know the freak this show is going.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  They don't know, no one knows where it's going. But it's like Lost, the same people that made Lost, made that show.

• 2:31:11Speaker 02

  Word?

• 2:31:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's why, it has that same sort of feel. Like crazy, doesn't make, not, not, not, you can't predict what's gonna happen.

• 2:31:19Speaker 02

  You cannot predict.

• 2:31:20Joe Rogan?

  Nothing makes sense. Very entertaining.

• 2:31:22Speaker 02

  Lloyd tickles this shit out of me. Lloyd is mad about every goddamn thing.

• 2:31:28Speaker 02

  But it's so, it's a crazy, it's crazy shit, but it's very interesting. Like, I, I don't miss it.

• 2:31:33Joe Rogan?

  I love it, yeah. I've been, um, binging it. So I started, I guess, me and my wife started about

• 2:31:42Joe Rogan?

  a month ago or so, and we burned through the first three seasons. And now we're into the fourth. Yeah, it's good. And I think the next season's coming out in 2027. But I don't like, how, I, I think the next season's the last season. Unless they decide to keep it going.

• 2:31:57Speaker 03

  Finale.

• 2:31:58Joe Rogan?

  It's the finale?

• 2:31:59Speaker 03

  They just announced that it's gonna be the last season.

• 2:32:01Speaker 02

  A, a, and.

• 2:32:02Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, maybe when that money comes rolling in. But the thing about this kind of show is, you could do whatever you want.

• 2:32:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:08Joe Rogan?

  You go back in time, you could do wild shit. Like, I don't wanna give anything away, but there's no rules. There's, you can make anything happen.

• 2:32:16Speaker 02

  You can make anything happen.

• 2:32:17Joe Rogan?

  It's a very strange show, but it's very entertaining.

• 2:32:20Speaker 02

  It's, aw, man, it's a very entertaining show.

• 2:32:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But if you wanna just sit at home and watch shit and not do anything, man, you never picked a better time to be alive.

• 2:32:32Joe Rogan?

  You could waste your whole life just staring at a screen.

• 2:32:35Speaker 02

  And like, when I, when I ask people, cause I, my, my palate for what I take in is different than a lot of people. And I turn people on to a show, like, when I turn my boy on the Pinky Blinders, I was like, yo.

• 2:32:48Joe Rogan?

  Pinky Blinders is a great show.

• 2:32:50Speaker 02

  I was like, yo, you gotta watch Pinky Blinders. He called me and was like, yo, this is crazy. And, and I remember my boy D-Lay got so invested in, um, what was the first show, the motorcycle show that I turned him on to?

• 2:33:04Joe Rogan?

  I know what you're talking about. I never watched it. What is that show? That motorcycle show that everybody liked? You know what I'm talking about, Chaney? That's it.

• 2:33:12Speaker 02

  Sons of Anarchy. I turned him on to Sons of Anarchy. And there's a person on there that you kinda get invested in. And I remember he called me and said something about him. And I was like, yo, who? Like, who, what, what'd you say? And I'm, I'm putting on my shoes. And then I noticed, are you talking about the person on the, on Sons of Anarchy? He said, yeah, that's fucked up what they did.

• 2:33:37Speaker 02

  I was like, yo, you, you a crazy man. He's like, no, I'm so invested.

• 2:33:43Speaker 02

  I was like, yo, man, you are a wild person. But, you know, Sons of Anarchy, Pinky Blinders, like, I was big on Yellowstone. And now the two spinoffs of Yellowstone, Marshals and The Dutton Ranch. I, I can't not watch it. Like, it's, it's, it's some good shows out there. And I, I just can't watch the typical stuff. I gotta watch something that has a little more to it than what

• 2:34:15Speaker 02

  normal people would watch. Cause I like to see normal people in shows, like something I can relate to. The Dutton Ranch, you know, being Texas, this, I don't, how ranching is, this is how I always experienced how ranching goes with cows and, and how you keep your land and all these different fights that people have over land. I'm like, shit is, shit is pretty interesting.

• 2:34:41Joe Rogan?

  It's very interesting. Yeah, that, Taylor Sheridan's a friend of mine. The guy made that. He was on here the other day, um, uh, talking about it. But the other show that I love is Land Man. Same kinda deal. It's all about the oil industry. You just realize like, oh, Jesus, is this how all this works?

• 2:34:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's other things happening in life. And it's way more notorious people than a drug dealing show. This, this is. Man, crude oil is a business.

• 2:35:11Joe Rogan?

  So, it's such a big business, of course, you're gonna get devious shit going on.

• 2:35:15Speaker 02

  You gonna get shit happening.

• 2:35:16Joe Rogan?

  It has to.

• 2:35:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:18Joe Rogan?

  The real world of oil must be nuts. It must be nuts. I mean, that's why we're in war right now.

• 2:35:23Speaker 02

  And you have to be ruthless, you know, with oil. Like, that's a big thing. And I don't understand fake meat. Like, why would people be giving somebody fake meat?

• 2:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, because they make money selling fake meat. That's why. I mean, that's, that's, uh, what a lot of people were trying to push while they're saying that cows are bad. Cows, the methane, the environment, man. It's bullshit. But all, all they're doing is trying to, someone is pushing this idea that we need to stop eating meat. Because they're profiting off of us not, not eating meat. That's what it is. That's all it is. It's not bad for you, it's good for you, you need it. Protein, it's super healthy, and one of the best foods in the world for you. There's just a bunch of horse shit out there saying that we need to eat less meat for the environment. No, we need to figure out how to not pollute, that's for sure. But regenerative farms aren't polluting. You're full of shit. It's not true.

• 2:36:16Joe Rogan?

  You know, if you wanna say you, we need to stop doing factory farming, okay, maybe, yeah, that's probably a good thing to do. But you need to figure out how to feed all these fucking people. You've, you've developed a system that's entirely reliant on massive amounts of animals moving through. The amount of chickens that people eat in America every day is crazy.

• 2:36:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:37Joe Rogan?

  It's, what is the amount of chickens that get consumed in America every day? Let's guess.

• 2:36:44Speaker 02

  Twenty million.

• 2:36:45Joe Rogan?

  At least. At least. I'm gonna say fifty million. Fifty million chickens a day. How many million chickens a day get killed? Well, that's a different question. Oh, okay. How many do we eat? How many millions of chickens do we eat every day in America?

• 2:37:00Speaker 02

  Because I know I can account for three in my house.

• 2:37:04Joe Rogan?

  Twenty-two million? Twenty-two million chickens every day, son. That's nuts. That is a crazy amount. That's way bigger than the entire residence of Los Angeles. If every person was a chicken? Every, we eat that amount in this country every day. That's crazy.

• 2:37:22Speaker 02

  In my home alone, if we roasting chicken, if we going to get a roasted chicken, we gonna get three of them. Cause it's gonna, I didn't even know that I could eat a whole chicken by myself. Until I did it.

• 2:37:37Speaker 02

  It's like, yo, man, this, this, um, Muslim, um, grocery store, they sell them in there, it's already roasted. And you get two garlic sauces with each chicken. And once you dip a piece of that chicken in that garlic sauce, it's not gonna survive. Like, it's like, I bought three of them, cause I know if two are gonna make it home, I have to eat this one by myself. And they, and they put on a piece of pita bread. It's already roasted. And it's insane that I would eat a whole chicken by myself.

• 2:38:08Joe Rogan?

  Estimates suggest twenty-four to twenty-six million chickens are killed every day in the United States for meat. So if you, uh, don't want factory farming, you gotta figure out a solution where you can get twenty-six million chickens a day. Or you convince people they need to stop eating meat.

• 2:38:26Speaker 02

  But if, if, if we look at, like, say if I'm looking at a show, um, Game of Thrones, or House of Dragons. When I would see them sit down to eat, it was a lot of meat on that table.

• 2:38:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:40Speaker 02

  Very, variations of meat. It's a whole, they, I've never seen the king sit down. It wasn't a whole entire pig on the table.

• 2:38:50Speaker 02

  And then, if you, most people haven't bought a lamb. And you think that a lamb is enough. It depends on what you, on who's there. If you, if we, if it's Eid, and it's after the fast, and you put a lamb on a spew, and all these Muslim families come in your house, that's, that's not enough, you need another lamb. You need two lambs, like whole lambs, like, it, man, it's... Meat is delicious.

• 2:39:21Joe Rogan?

  It's great for you, too. Don't let anybody tell you any different.

• 2:39:23Speaker 02

  Oh, and they can, but I'm not really listening. Like, when somebody tell, when somebody tell me about a vegan situation, I, I'll listen to you. But none of it is going in, it's like, you know how I say, something comes in one ear and go out the other? It's not even going in the ear. It's like, it's like, I've already made my decision. Like, okay, I, I'll be you. But I'm not really listening to you. I'm eating a lamb. Goat, I mean it.

• 2:39:50Joe Rogan?

  Life eats life. It's just, the factory farming thing is the uncomfortable part. That's the gross part. And if you just were on a ranch, it's natural. It's natural.

• 2:40:00Speaker 02

  If you wanna get overtaken, just let the animals just do they thing.

• 2:40:04Joe Rogan?

  Chocolate.

• 2:40:05Speaker 02

  And see how many, see, see, don't you see a, I am legend taught you that?

• 2:40:12Speaker 02

  It's like, yo, how many antlers ran through a, a, a place, a stampede, like? It's a, so even like with, with the thing that happens in the ocean, sardines, right? So mass, all these mass sardines come one spot, then the whales come first, then the sharks come, and then, then we still get sardines. After all these, this ecosystem is eating, we still get sardines. It's, you're not running out of natural, if you let everything do it, do its thing. You know, you, do you know how many jellyfish it is? Somebody should start eating them. You know what I mean? Cause that is a crazy, jellyfish can mob out.

• 2:40:55Speaker 02

  Like, mob out.

• 2:40:56Joe Rogan?

  And they can kill you.

• 2:40:57Speaker 02

  And they can kill you.

• 2:40:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:58Speaker 02

  Somebody eat them. Something eats them.

• 2:41:01Joe Rogan?

  You can eat them at Chinese restaurants. I've had jellyfish before.

• 2:41:04Speaker 02

  Was it good?

• 2:41:04Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember it being good. I don't remember where I ate it, but I remember someone cooked a specific type of jellyfish. And I was like, okay. I didn't even know you could cook that.

• 2:41:14Speaker 02

  In Texas and Louisiana.

• 2:41:15Joe Rogan?

  What kind of jellyfish are edible? Find that out.

• 2:41:18Speaker 02

  In Texas and Louisiana, the amount of crawfish that we eat in two months is literally insane.

• 2:41:26Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if they didn't. Imagine how many crawfish would be.

• 2:41:29Speaker 02

  Yo, cause.

• 2:41:29Joe Rogan?

  Imagine.

• 2:41:31Speaker 02

  I know I can account for at least fifty pounds by myself.

• 2:41:37Joe Rogan?

  Think how many crawfish there would be if people weren't eating them. Like, when I was a kid, I grew up in Florida for a while. We lived in Florida in Gainesville and there was alligators there.

• 2:41:45Speaker 02

  Gainesville, Florida.

• 2:41:46Joe Rogan?

  But they were protected. Back then, the alligators were protected.

• 2:41:50Speaker 02

  Like the Everglades?

• 2:41:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, it wasn't the Everglades quite here. Okay, hold on. Edible jellyfish. Best-known edible species in using Asian cuisine. Oh, boy, try to say that word. Ropilama esculentum, often referred to as the Japanese edible jellyfish. That's a lot easier.

• 2:42:08Speaker 02

  Salta de jaca.

• 2:42:09Joe Rogan?

  Or flame jellyfish. Yeah, so there's a few different species of jellyfish. Anyway, my point was, when I was a kid, alligators were protected and they were at this lake and you could see them and people would throw marshmallows in the water and the alligators would eat them. And then now, there's too many. Like, there's so many alligators there now. Like, they can't get rid of them. They're in every body of water. Everywhere you go, there's alligators.

• 2:42:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:36Joe Rogan?

  The entire Everglades is filled with alligators. Golf courses filled with alligators.

• 2:42:41Speaker 02

  I remember when that kid got eaten.

• 2:42:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Disney World?

• 2:42:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I was like, yo, that's insanity. Because I don't trust a puddle of water in Florida.

• 2:42:54Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:42:54Speaker 02

  A puddle, it can be a puddle. I'm like, it's an alligator in there. But now, what they remove? Four hundred some odd alligators from Disney World?

• 2:43:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they remove them all the time. They have to check every day. They have to go back there and make sure that there's no alligators.

• 2:43:09Speaker 02

  It's like a huge number that they.

• 2:43:11Joe Rogan?

  It's a huge number.

• 2:43:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, maybe twenty-four this year, twenty-fourty or something this year. But it's four hundred and something a while. Like, that's insane.

• 2:43:19Joe Rogan?

  You know, Disney World has a bass fishing lake. You can go bass fishing at Disney World. There's like a little trip that you take. You go there. Four hundred fourteen alligators removed from Disney World since toddler's death ten years ago.

• 2:43:34Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of monsters. It's a lot of monsters, man. They're legit monsters.

• 2:43:40Speaker 02

  I remember when I was in Guam, I was in Guam doing a show. And I think the military had moved there and it was a bird that they were trying to protect. And so they killed all these snakes. And this is how, when you change the ecosystem to something, something happens. So, the snakes, not only were they eating that bird, but they were eating and controlling the toad population. So when they got rid of the snake,

• 2:44:09Speaker 02

  we were coming back from the show, and it's like, it's literally hundreds of thousands of frogs that come out at night.

• 2:44:20Speaker 02

  They everywhere. It's like you, they, you just see them flat in the street where you, because you can't not, you can't miss them. They, it was hundreds of thousands of frogs on Guam. And I was like, yo, man.

• 2:44:32Joe Rogan?

  People fuck up everything.

• 2:44:33Speaker 02

  They gotta do something, man.

• 2:44:34Joe Rogan?

  People meddle. Yeah, they gotta bring the snake back.

• 2:44:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, gotta bring the snake back.

• 2:44:37Joe Rogan?

  Stop. Stop. Stop your bullshit.

• 2:44:42Joe Rogan?

  People just meddle. I mean, there's so many countries that are infested with animals that people brought in to kill other animals. You know, like Australia has a giant feral cat problem. They brought in feral cats, I think to kill it. I forget what species. I think it was a toad they were trying to kill off.

• 2:44:58Speaker 02

  My neighborhood has a goddamn cat problem. In my neighborhood, it's like, one cat has some babies. And my family had something to do with it. We fed, we fed the cat and then shit.

• 2:45:13Joe Rogan?

  Of course. You want to be nice. Meanwhile, they're killing billions of birds every year in this country.

• 2:45:19Speaker 02

  Cats, uh, I love cats.

• 2:45:20Joe Rogan?

  Cats. I love cats too, but they kill billions. House cats kill billions of birds and mammals in this country every year.

• 2:45:27Speaker 02

  If you, you don't have a bug problem if you have a cat in your house. Because it, we, you know, we had these water bugs, they call them cockroaches, but... I've watched it before I left the cat that's just outside. He was just slapping one around. It's like five of them dead out there. He's just slapping one around like just toying with him. Like, but I don't mind because then they never make it into my house. It's like cats are.

• 2:45:51Speaker 03

  You know about the four pest campaign that happened in China?

• 2:45:54Joe Rogan?

  What is that? What'd they do?

• 2:45:56Speaker 03

  Explains it to you and just these little four.

• 2:45:57Joe Rogan?

  Under Mao, aimed at exterminating rats, flies, mosquitoes and sparrows as a part of the Great Leap Forward. It was framed as a public hygiene and agricultural protection drive meant to reduce disease and protect grain from being eaten or contaminated. Mass mobilization methods included trapping and poisoning rats, swatting flies, mosquitoes and organized efforts to scare and kill sparrows.

• 2:46:20Speaker 03

  It's like that it's before you get to the end here, they had one little problem. So they introduced something else to fix that problem. That created a new problem. So they introduced something else to fix that problem.

• 2:46:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:29Speaker 03

  It ended here with tens of millions of people dying from a famine because they didn't have the natural ecosystem to.

• 2:46:36Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy. So sparrows were targeted because they ate grain seeds, but they also consumed large numbers of crop eating insects. Their near extinction caused an ecological imbalance, leading to insect population booms, lower crop yields and contributing to Chinese famine, the Great Chinese Famine, which tens of millions died. Wow.

• 2:46:56Speaker 02

  You got to give something to get something.

• 2:46:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man. You don't think you're smarter than nature, you dumb fuck.

• 2:47:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta give something to get it because.

• 2:47:05Joe Rogan?

  There's a balance out there and we don't totally understand that balance.

• 2:47:08Speaker 02

  What's this fish that we have now?

• 2:47:11Joe Rogan?

  Asian carp, the one that's infested all the different lakes. And then there's snake head. That's another one.

• 2:47:16Speaker 02

  Then that the joint that torpedo's up.

• 2:47:19Joe Rogan?

  No, that's the Asian carp. Yeah, they fly through the air when you're in a boat.

• 2:47:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:22Joe Rogan?

  They just for whatever reason, when you're in a boat, they just try to throw themselves onto the boat. Get me the fuck out of this lake. There's so many of them. And they don't have a natural predator and they bring them into places sometimes to clean up the algae. And then also now you have a carp problem. Now the carp eat all the algae. They eat everything. Where this like your whole lake looks like a swimming pool. There's no algae left. Look at these fucking things. That is crazy. That's the Illinois River. I mean, this is just hundreds of fish just flying through the air everywhere they go. How nuts is that? Have you ever seen people, they shoot them with bows and arrows? So they wait for them to hop up in the air and they try to catch them in the air with a bow and arrow.

• 2:48:05Speaker 02

  With the string on it.

• 2:48:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of people do that. It's a very popular sport.

• 2:48:13Speaker 02

  Is this fish edible?

• 2:48:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I've never heard of anybody eat. I know people eat regular carp. I don't know if Asian, is Asian carp edible?

• 2:48:23Joe Rogan?

  Yep, there you go. It's lean and nutritious?

• 2:48:27Speaker 03

  Clean, mild flavor.

• 2:48:29Speaker 02

  So I would just have a net rolling behind me.

• 2:48:32Joe Rogan?

  Filet of fish, there you go. Don't you guys need product? There you go. Get out there with bows and arrows and get it done.

• 2:48:38Speaker 02

  How, how many crawfish does Texas and Louisiana consume in crawfish season?

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question. I guess you would have to do it in pounds, right? Would you do it in pounds or millions of actual crawfish? Cause they, they don't measure them in individuals. They weigh, they may by weight, right? Cause they're kind of little.

• 2:48:57Speaker 02

  They go by weight.

• 2:48:58Joe Rogan?

  How many pounds of crawfish do you think? Texas, just say Texas and Louisiana in a year?

• 2:49:05Joe Rogan?

  Fifty million?

• 2:49:07Speaker 03

  I have to ask again, but it did give me, uh, ninety percent of the farm crawfish comes from Louisiana.

• 2:49:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Ninety percent.

• 2:49:15Joe Rogan?

  How many pounds?

• 2:49:18Joe Rogan?

  How many pounds does Tex- I know, I went way too high. How many pounds does Texas and Louisiana consume in a year? I'm gonna say two million of pounds.

• 2:49:28Speaker 02

  No, it's gotta be more than that.

• 2:49:29Joe Rogan?

  Really? Two million pounds is a lot.

• 2:49:33Speaker 03

  It's fucking way more than that.

• 2:49:34Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 2:49:35Speaker 03

  What is it? Seventy percent of the consumed amount is eaten in Louisiana and the total is upwards of a hundred and fifty million pounds.

• 2:49:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm trying to.

• 2:49:46Speaker 03

  A hundred and twenty to a hundred and fifty million annually.

• 2:49:49Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:49:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:51Joe Rogan?

  Just in Louisiana?

• 2:49:52Speaker 03

  Seventy percent, which is almost a hundred million pounds of that is just in Louisiana.

• 2:49:57Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:49:59Speaker 02

  Between crawfish boils and crawfish actueux fay, that is...

• 2:50:04Joe Rogan?

  Fucking delicious.

• 2:50:05Speaker 02

  Hey, that's a thing.

• 2:50:06Joe Rogan?

  That is a crazy thing.

• 2:50:07Speaker 03

  Texas doesn't have a number, just tens of millions.

• 2:50:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, all we need, we got the Louisiana. I would've thought they'll be double what the whole country ate. That's crazy.

• 2:50:17Speaker 02

  Like Maryland actually thinks that they are big on crab. And we just be shaking our head like, okay.

• 2:50:28Speaker 02

  Like, it's no, I think we ship crab to them. Like, we, the Chesapeake Bay cannot outdo the Gulf of Mexico.

• 2:50:36Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:50:37Speaker 02

  It, we...

• 2:50:37Joe Rogan?

  Gulf of America now, by the way.

• 2:50:39Speaker 02

  It is, we, we still, we still...

• 2:50:43Speaker 02

  You know, I don't think Mexico agreed. He's like, no, he's like...

• 2:50:48Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they did either.

• 2:50:49Speaker 02

  They're like, no, you know, this is not the Gulf of America. We still, like, we not saying that.

• 2:50:54Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:50:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, hey, brother, it's great to talk to you again, as always. It's always fun.

• 2:51:01Speaker 02

  Man.

• 2:51:01Joe Rogan?

  Very good to do.

• 2:51:02Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:51:02Joe Rogan?

  Do it more often.

• 2:51:03Speaker 02

  Man, I'm here.

• 2:51:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's do it. It's always fun.

• 2:51:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:08Joe Rogan?

  Uh, tell everybody where they want, if they want to consume all your specials. All of it's on YouTube, is it?

• 2:51:12Speaker 02

  All of it's on YouTube, or you can go to Ali Siddique dot com. Um, the new special out, My Father, is getting busy right now. Um, it is a, it's a great, this is a great special. It really is.

• 2:51:26Joe Rogan?

  Where did you record this?

• 2:51:28Speaker 02

  Um, that was in Detroit.

• 2:51:31Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful. Like I said, um, I love what you do. I love the fact that you're, you're so prolific and, you know, that you've built this whole thing just, just on hard work, so congratulations.

• 2:51:40Speaker 02

  Appreciate you, thank you very much.

• 2:51:41Joe Rogan?

  Always good to see you.

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  Mr. Monopoly here. Miss me? Monopoly is back at McDonald's with millions of prizes. A 2027 Jeep Cherokee, a Carnival Cruise vacation, gift cards from DoorDash and Best Buy. You'll then play in the McDonald's app. Get your bag! No purchase necessary. 50 U.S. and D.C. Age 18+. See playatmcd.com for rules and playatmcd.com/amoe for info on playing without purchase by mail by November 2nd. Chance card game ends November 8th. Game ends November 22nd, 2026. See rules for prize details. Monopoly is a registered trademark of Hasbro.