#2522 - Tony Hinchcliffe

Tony Hinchcliffe is a comedian, writer, actor, and host of the podcast and live show “Kill Tony.” His new special, "Man of the People," is now streaming on Netflix.www.youtube.com/@killtonyhttps://tonyhinchcliffe.komi.iowww.tonyhinchcliffe.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/rogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  What's up? What's going on? What's happening? Chaos, I love it. Everything. Yeah. The world's crazy. The center of the storm. I think, I think the world's back at war today again, like officially, right? I don't know. I don't think that agreement with Iran lasted at all. Which one? I think there's, there was bombings today in Lebanon, and I think there's bombings today in American bases.

• 0:42Joe Rogan?

  I try to not pay attention, dude, I really do. Yeah. I try to distract myself with the science stuff and space. Uh, I was watching this documentary yesterday on how they make chips, like how they make like semiconductor chips. Dude, this fucking machine that they use, I'm gonna send you this Jamie, because it's bananas, it's like one of the most complex machines in the world. And this, this machine they use to make semiconductors, make chips, and they were explaining the process of making these chips, how fucking nuts it is, man. The, the amount of atoms that are stacked on and like the way they do it to make these like super complex, high-end chips.

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  There's people out there, Tony, that are doing things way different than us. Yeah. Okay? We're out there talking about sucking dicks and people shitting themselves, and what's going on in other parts of the world is people are doing science fiction, like they're, they're actually doing science fiction. Uh, here it is, give me a second. I like to save things, here it is. The world's most important machine.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  It's, it's an hour long?

• 1:58Joe Rogan?

  Yes, did you find it?

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just...

• 2:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but just go to the, there's some animation where they show how they make these things. Like, it was right where you were at. This is right at the beginning. Yeah, okay. Oh, okay, so they're just showing some of the, um, the different aspects of how these things are made. Go back to where that guy had the laser beam. That's perfect, actually, where that guy had the laser beam. So this is him explaining this. So look at this. Back it up a little bit and give me some volume. Get back it up a little bit, please.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  I want to introduce it to you with a thought experiment.

• 2:36Speaker 03

  Imagine you are shrunk down to the size of an ant. And you're given a laser that's strong enough to melt through metal like butter. Next, a tiny droplet of molten tin, roughly the size of a white blood cell, is shot out in front of you around 250 kilometers per hour. And your task is to hit this not once, not twice, but three times in a row in 20 microseconds with your little laser. Well, that is exactly what this machine does. It hits one tiny tin droplet three times in a row, heating each one up to over 220,000 Kelvin. That's roughly 40 times hotter than the surface of the sun. And it doesn't just hit one droplet. It hits 50,000 droplets every single second.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  How often do you miss a laser shot? We don't miss them. What? You do 150,000 laser shots a second and you don't miss one? Exactly.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  The same machine also contains mirrors that might just be the smoothest objects in the universe. If you scale one up to the size of the Earth, then the largest bump would be no thicker than a playing card.

• 3:42Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck?

• 3:43Speaker 03

  It is able to overlay one layer of a chip perfectly on top of another and never be off by more than five atoms. And this is all happening while parts of the machine whip around at accelerations of over 20 Gs. For 30 years, almost everyone thought that actually building this machine was impossible. And yet, it exists. There is only one company in the world that can make it. So what is this company? And what is this impossible machine they've built?

• 4:12Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 4:13Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 4:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:15Speaker 05

  What are they doing with that?

• 4:17Joe Rogan?

  All computers, like, computer chips that are getting better and better and better. All these AI chips, this is how they make them.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  One interesting thing I can just add, I know, when they make those, they make like a big sheet of chips, you know?

• 4:29Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Like, there'll be like thirty or fifty on them. They'll test each one, and the ones that are the best, they test like one out of a hundred. The ones that are like closest to a hundred become like the I nine chip. And if it's like, uh, eighty-five out of a hundred, it becomes like the I seven chip.

• 4:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 4:45Speaker 02

  So they all come off the same sheet.

• 4:46Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  The best ones become the best chips, they sell them for the most money. And the next ones down are just a little degraded.

• 4:52Joe Rogan?

  No kidding? Interesting. So, there was that issue with that Samsung chip factory, and it was about, they weren't getting the results that they wanted. So it's probably they were getting more of the shitty chips.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:05Joe Rogan?

  And not enough of the perfect chips.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, they want really high-end chips, and they're really, really hard to make.

• 5:09Joe Rogan?

  We have a fan in here, dude.

• 5:10Speaker 05

  Sweet.

• 5:11Joe Rogan?

  Um, yeah, uh, I mean, imagine if everybody died. And it was just us in this room, and there was like three late, well, be more than that, we'd have to have more people. Otherwise we're gonna fuck up the gene pool, we're all gonna look like the English Royals. We need, we probably need a few thousand people. A few thousand people, like, regular people, like you and I that don't know shit about how these things work.

• 5:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  How much time would we need if we repopulated the earth with what we know? Basically, you're starting out like a fucking, like a half-assed prepper. You know, like someone who's on an episode of Lost, you know? Like, one of those plane crash people, trying to figure out how to survive out there. You're fucked!

• 5:53Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:54Joe Rogan?

  You're not inventing that!

• 5:55Speaker 05

  Uh-uh.

• 5:55Joe Rogan?

  How long's it gonna take?

• 5:57Speaker 05

  Infinity.

• 5:58Joe Rogan?

  And how many people have to pave the way? This is the thing, for every one of these people that makes, uh, an invention like this, you're making this on the back of thousands and thousands and thousands of fucking super geniuses that have figured out each and every step of the way that can lead you to thinking, is this possible that we could do this next? You know, they all build on each other. So you need all these guys, and... Hopefully, they don't get any pussy. Because otherwise, they're gonna get distracted. You know, I bet if one of them gets a hot wife, like one of their patents kicks, and they start making bank, and then all of a sudden, he shows up for work in a Ferrari, and next you know, he's got a hot wife, everybody's like, "Oh, my god."

• 6:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, civilization just went back 100, 200 years.

• 6:44Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna lose Tim.

• 6:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:47Joe Rogan?

  Tim's taking Adderall, coding 18 hours a day, trying to figure out how to get us to Mars. Actually, that's a bad point, because Elon clearly gets pussy, and doesn't seem to be affecting him at all.

• 6:59Speaker 05

  I think Elon's different.

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• 9:41Joe Rogan?

  Definitely different.

• 9:42Speaker 05

  Yeah. I think some people are different, different, different.

• 9:45Joe Rogan?

  It's fascinating how many people want to find flaws in what he's doing. Instead of just looking at this like, wow, this is an extraordinary time to be alive. But it's because of this narrative that people have. One of them, the big one, is this USAID is killing people narrative, that people have died because of USAID. Then a bunch of people have given examples of how them cutting the funding has led to the end of certain people's lives, like where they were in hospitals that didn't have any funding. There's a lot of that that you could point to say, right, if they had the money, they would have had the funding, and they would have had that equipment in place, or maybe they wouldn't have. But here's the other thing. That's not discounting the fact that a lot of that money is fraud.

• 10:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:29Joe Rogan?

  A lot of it. Like, it's not a little amount. And the idea that you should let it go on because it's going to save lives and there's a bunch of people that are stealing money, okay, I see that argument, but... Why are we sending them money in the first place? Like, what's, did we do something to them? Do we owe them money? No? Okay, we're just being nice? Are you sure we're just being nice? Is there anybody profiting of us, off of us being nice? Because usually, just being nice for no reason? And just giving tax money away for no reason? I don't think they do that. I don't think that's real. I used to think that was real. I used to think that charity was real. And now I look at it, I go, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is a giant scam that's wrapped up in virtue.

• 11:10Joe Rogan?

  It's wrapped up in a nice cozy blanket of being kind and compassionate and virtuous and doing good things for people all around the world. I think a lot of people get involved in those things. Because that's what they think. We're gonna do good things around the world. And they're good people. I really believe that. And then they find out how it really works. And then they get stuck in that system. And then they're making their way up their, you know, air quotes, corporate ladder, to the point where some of them are making a million dollars a year. And you're like, what is this? Yeah. What is this? This is a business. This isn't really charity. Most of the money is going to your employees and your overhead and your... Why do you have such a big building? Like, what are you doing? Right. Why? How come you're not just funneling the money to these people? Exactly. Like, the LA Fire Aid. Yeah. Great example.

• 11:54Joe Rogan?

  Spencer Pratt told me, how many, what number did he say of nonprofits got that money? So, over a hundred million dollars gets raised. I don't know the exact total. All of it goes to these different nonprofits. I think he said 200 different nonprofits got the money. Yeah. So, and then what happens to that? Well, they just pay their employees. They pay overhead. They pay their rent on fucking nice office on wherever they live. Mm-hmm. Fuck, man. It's so disheartening. Because you, you've, so that's what all that stuff is. And it's also, if you listen to when Mike Benz has been on my podcast a few times and explains USAID. People think of it as aid. You think of it as, oh, we're helping the world. Which is great, right?

• 12:39Joe Rogan?

  But it's not that. It's the Agency for International Development. And it involves funding rap bands overseas that are, the subversive rap bands that are supposed to excite people to take over the government. There's like, a bunch of like, weird shit. Funds rebels, it funds newspapers, and... What was he talking about? Like, there was a lot of it, like, funding rap music. Like, this is crazy. People have...

• 13:09Joe Rogan?

  Long said that rap music, even though, listen, you love hip hop. I know you just got back from Kanye West. I'm a huge hip hop fan.

• 13:17Speaker 05

  We gotta talk about that at some point.

• 13:18Joe Rogan?

  We definitely do. I love hip hop. But there's some people that believe that gangsta rap in particular, when it came about in the 1980s, was a part of, the push to popularize it and produce it, was a part of the government, some faction of the government, some faction, some intelligence agencies, wanting to create more crime, wanting to fill more private prisons, wanting to erode the fabric of society so they could push for more laws to keep you safer. This is like the, one of the most tinfoily of tinfoil hat conspiracies. But people are pointing out that right now is like one of the rare times where no rap music is on the charts.

• 14:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:02Joe Rogan?

  And they're saying, well, how does this coincide with USAID? Was USAID like actively promoting rap music? Was that one of the reasons why rap music was possible, pop, popular? Is that real? That can't be real.

• 14:16Speaker 05

  Maybe back in the day. It seems like that would be more manipulative. I don't see how.

• 14:22Joe Rogan?

  I believed that until I heard mumble rap. I'm like, this makes, this is not real. This is trying to make people stupid.

• 14:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:29Joe Rogan?

  There's, there's something about this, you know? And obviously, some artists are better at it than, some of them are fun, the way they do it. But I'm saying, there's a giant chunk of them that are inaudible. You don't know what, like, who's, who's into this?

• 14:43Speaker 05

  Oh, almost all of them are inaudible.

• 14:46Joe Rogan?

  Like, what, what's going on there? Imagine if like that was it, it was like, uh, people heard Nas and like, this guy's too smart. Uh, we gotta dumb it down a little.

• 14:54Speaker 05

  Right.

• 14:54Joe Rogan?

  We gotta promote some people that could barely talk.

• 14:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:57Joe Rogan?

  We gotta promote some people that are on cough syrup, apparently.

• 15:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:01Joe Rogan?

  That's what, have you ever done that cough syrup?

• 15:03Speaker 05

  No.

• 15:03Joe Rogan?

  They seem to love it.

• 15:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:05Joe Rogan?

  A lot of dudes are into that, that cough syrup, man. They, they swear by it.

• 15:09Speaker 05

  It's crazy. It's gotta be fun. It's gotta be enjoyable.

• 15:13Joe Rogan?

  Is it codeine? Is that what they're doing?

• 15:15Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 15:16Joe Rogan?

  Have you done it, Jamie? But we talked about this before, but I remember back in the nineties, I got a hold of some NyQuil. The real NyQuil. Like, I guess they changed the formula for NyQuil. And I had, you know, whatever, the flu or something. And I took some NyQuil and I was laying in bed and I was like, "This is wonderful."

• 15:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  It was wonderful. Like, just the warmth, the softness of the pillows and the warmth of the bed with the covers over me. I'm like, "Oh, this is wonderful." And I remember thinking, "Ooh, this is dangerous."

• 15:51Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:51Joe Rogan?

  Like, this is a dangerous feeling because if your life was shit and you found that, like, that's better than anything else that's happening in your life.

• 16:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:01Joe Rogan?

  And you can get it at CVS.

• 16:04Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  What was in the old NyQuil before they switched it?

• 16:09Speaker 05

  I avoid that stuff like the plague. I'm afraid of medicine.

• 16:12Joe Rogan?

  So this stuff probably was like sitting in my house if I took it. So it might have even been older than ninety-seven or ninety-eight, whenever this was that I was sick. But I'll never forget it. Cause I'll never forget like getting scared. Like, I could love this. Like, I could just drink this during the day and just like sit on my back porch. If I have the day off.

• 16:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:34Joe Rogan?

  Just get obliterated with NyQuil and just enjoy the universe.

• 16:37Speaker 05

  I told you about that time I took a half of the pain pill that the dentist gave me for my wisdom tooth. I was like, "Oh, fuck, this is life-changing."

• 16:44Joe Rogan?

  It says the earliest NyQuil formula include Ephedrine, which is a decongestant, Doxylamine Succinate, which is an antihistamine, Acetaminophen, Dextromethorphan, cough suppressant, and about twenty-five percent alcohol. Oh, I was getting drunk too.

• 17:07Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:07Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Um, what changed? The mid 2000s after the combat methamphetamine, and there it is. They removed pseudoephedrine. So was that the stuff? So it wasn't codeine, but is there, I think there is NyQuil with codeine though, right?

• 17:25Joe Rogan?

  What I had was pretty good. I don't think it was as simple.

• 17:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, you had the stuff they can make meth out of or whatever.

• 17:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Okay, we'll put it in perplexity. And perplexity says, in the mid 2000s, yeah, NyQuil brands sold in the US do not contain codeine, and there's never been a standard Vicks NyQuil with codeine in its active ingredient lineup. Typical NyQuil form. So codeine, so does any cough syrup have codeine in it?

• 17:55Speaker 02

  That's what lean is.

• 17:58Joe Rogan?

  They add it? Or is it just prescription cough syrup?

• 18:01Speaker 02

  That was the whole thing about it.

• 18:03Joe Rogan?

  Maybe I am fucking up my memory and maybe it wasn't NyQuil. Because whatever it was, it seemed like a-

• 18:08Speaker 02

  People used to get fucked up off NyQuil, but you had to drink like the whole bottle to get NyQuil. Just get fucked up.

• 18:13Joe Rogan?

  I definitely didn't drink the whole bottle. I know I took a dose. Like a strong dose.

• 18:18Speaker 02

  That means you're just getting fucked up off 25% alcohol and a little bit of a-

• 18:22Speaker 05

  Maybe.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  A little bit of side meth.

• 18:24Joe Rogan?

  See, the thing is, it's so long ago, I can't remember. I say NyQuil because it's like saying Q-tips.

• 18:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:29Joe Rogan?

  You know, or Kleenex, just because it's tissues or ear swabs. I don't know if it was NyQuil, but it was cough syrup, whatever the fuck it was. And I felt wonderful. And I remember thinking, like, this could be a real problem. Like, that one day in bed, because I'm always scared of stuff like that. I'm always scared to get, I knew too many people when I was growing up that got hooked on stuff.

• 18:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:48Joe Rogan?

  And it just derailed their life. So lying in bed, I was like, oh, you can't do this again. No more of this.

• 18:53Speaker 05

  Right.

• 18:54Joe Rogan?

  I like it.

• 18:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 18:57Joe Rogan?

  I got a knee surgery once. They gave me morphine. They gave me morphine in a drip. And they say that you can only hit that button so many times it stops giving to you.

• 19:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:06Joe Rogan?

  But every time you feel pain, you can just hit the button, because I was on like a perpetual motion machine.

• 19:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:11Joe Rogan?

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• 20:09Speaker 05

  The closest I come to that, because I've never had like a serious surgery or anything, but I go to this, they have a dental office here in Austin called the Austin Dental Spa. So their whole thing is like a luxurious dental experience and they will hook you up to laughing gas. And they let you like, if they're like, they're like, you want a little more? And I'm like, okay, yeah. And that's like the closest I get to it is once every six months or so I go there and dude, I'm always excited about this fucking experience. It is so awesome.

• 20:42Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever come up with bits after doing laughing gas? Does it give you any ideas?

• 20:46Speaker 05

  No, but during the thing, it makes me weirdly honest. You ever seen in Kill Bill when he shoots her in the knee with the honest gun? Cause he was a chemist for like a living. It's like his secret job. So he comes up with this truth serum and I've noticed that it makes me like weirdly very honest. So one time when I was in the dental office, the guy's doing whatever. And I'm like, and I'm jacked on laughing gas. Cause it's not really, you're not really like cracking up. You're just like in heaven and you're like, it's kind of smiling ear to ear. And I remember going like, how long did you go to school for dental school? And he's like, whatever the answer is like eight years. And I'm like, did you ever think about going longer and becoming a real doctor? And I realized like kind of in the moment, even though I was fucked up, like that's, that

• 21:30Speaker 05

  sounds mean, but I think they're totally used to it. I think they know that laughing gas makes people fucking.

• 21:36Joe Rogan?

  I bet they're not used to that dude. That's so mean.

• 21:39Speaker 05

  It's not supposed to. That's what I'm saying is it's like a dangerously.

• 21:43Joe Rogan?

  A real doctor.

• 21:44Speaker 05

  A dangerous truth serum.

• 21:46Joe Rogan?

  Some people want to be dentists.

• 21:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:48Joe Rogan?

  We need him too.

• 21:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:50Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 21:51Speaker 05

  Crazy gig.

• 21:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:53Speaker 05

  It's a weird one.

• 21:54Joe Rogan?

  I know. Imagine what bad breath they smell.

• 21:56Speaker 05

  Oh, and just weird things lodged in teeth for god only knows how long.

• 22:01Joe Rogan?

  When I got my root canal, um, one of the reasons why I had to get it is because I had a cap on my tooth or a filler, whatever it is. What's it called?

• 22:11Speaker 05

  Filling?

• 22:12Joe Rogan?

  No, the, when they just fill your tooth up? Why, why can't I remember? Fillings. Why did I say filler? Whatever.

• 22:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:19Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it was an old school one, you know, where it was like white plastic. And when I was a kid, I used to have them. They were like fucking lead. They used to give you lead fillings, which is crazy. Like, kids had lead in their mouth. Um, and it was hurting. It was bothering me. So what had happened was, uh, I had cracked the tooth and it had gotten infected underneath the, uh, filling. So he takes the filling out and drills into it. And the smell

• 22:46Speaker 05

  Oof.

• 22:46Joe Rogan?

  that came out of my mouth. It was so, it was pus. All this pus came out and this fucking horrific smell. I was like, oh my god, is that coming out of my mouth?

• 22:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:59Joe Rogan?

  He's like, oh, that's normal. It's decay.

• 23:01Speaker 05

  Right.

• 23:02Joe Rogan?

  There's an infection under here. We're gonna treat it. You're gonna be fine.

• 23:05Speaker 05

  Yeah. Piece of elk from seven years ago.

• 23:07Joe Rogan?

  This is a long time ago. This is a long time ago. This was before I was hunting, I think. But it was, uh, I, you know, people die from that stuff, which is really crazy. Like, if you don't take care of your teeth and you get that kind of infection, those kind of infections can become septic.

• 23:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, it's nuts. Sometimes I'll do a thing where I'll water floss after I brush my teeth just to see what would have been left in there if I just did what normal humans do.

• 23:32Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's a bunch of shit left in there.

• 23:34Speaker 05

  High-pressure water flossers that I fucking love. Complete game changer for life. And it's insane what will jet out of there. It gets stuck deep in between the teeth and everything and, you know, I think you're, I would, for the most part, I do it before I brush, but every once in a while, I'll be like, I wonder if there's anything left in there, you know?

• 23:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to floss.

• 23:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:54Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna get a bunch of shit stuck in there. But-

• 23:56Speaker 05

  And even then, sometimes I'll- Regular floss and then brush my teeth and just out of curiosity go, I wonder if there's anything left in there. And I'll do a one silver with the water flosser and you see like ding ding ding, three little things come out. It's like that would have marinated in between my teeth or in the back of my gum line or whatever.

• 24:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's not good, but according to my dentist, he thinks it's all sugar. He thinks if you go back and you look at like when people started developing serious cavities. It's, I mean, people have always had abscesses and broken teeth and there's always been like dental problems that haunted people. Because back in the day, man, they just pull the tooth out and then who knows what kind of infection you still have in there and they don't treat it. In the 1700s, if you broke your tooth and got an infection, you could be fucking dead. You know, you could die from that shit. But he was saying that the, the amount of cavities like steeply increased when people started putting sugar in everything. And then kids started drinking sugary sodas and eating sugary candy. And that stuff gets stuck in your teeth. It's like, I think that's the cause of it.

• 24:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, and probably high fructose corn syrup is probably just as bad or if not worse than actual sugar.

• 25:03Joe Rogan?

  That stuff's not good for your body, that's for sure. Your body doesn't like it. Someone explained to me what's the difference in the absorption of high fructose corn syrup versus natural cane sugar. I completely forget how they explained it, but they were, they were basically saying that there's some issues with how the body breaks it down. Well, when you drank a soda, just think about that, where in nature do you get 20 grams of sugar just in liquid form? And you just pump it down, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, glug, ah, refreshing.

• 25:32Speaker 05

  Crazy. My buddy that I went to school with just flew in from Hawaii, which is where he's lived for like 20 years. He's like, he's like wilderness guy, climbs trees and cuts down his own pineapples and coconuts and stuff all the time. He's, he's got a great life. And um, he uh, he checked a bag this trip just a few days ago. Um, and he brought it to the mothership because that's where we met up. And he surprised me with this checked bag that was like, that had the moldings built in and everything. It had four coconuts and two white Hawaiian pineapples, I think they're called, which like run like sixty-five dollars each or something in the US. Like it's impossible to get. And um, according to him, I don't know. Uh, he's a real hippie dippy type.

• 26:17Joe Rogan?

  Is that the dude that you brought to the mothership?

• 26:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, Anthony, yeah.

• 26:20Joe Rogan?

  Your friend from high school?

• 26:21Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 26:21Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy.

• 26:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's the, he's the man. He's just a real dude.

• 26:25Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy when you know people for that long.

• 26:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:27Joe Rogan?

  And so this dude is just living in Hawaii, living his best life?

• 26:31Speaker 05

  And I mean, holy shit, these fucking pineapple. He's like, dude, you're going to love this pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. He just kept going on about it. I'm like, alright, okay. Sure enough, holy fucking shit, man. It's nature can deliver you a sugar dose. Cause he was saying that white Hawaiian pineapples have higher sugar, but much lower acidity than what we're used to. So it makes a whole different, and since obviously it's natural sugar and this and that, it just makes a whole different type of fucking fruit. It's crazy.

• 27:00Joe Rogan?

  Mmm, sounds good.

• 27:02Speaker 05

  Wild how we have to go other places to get unbelievable shit.

• 27:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, of course Hawaii.

• 27:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  Hawaii really should be its own country.

• 27:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:10Joe Rogan?

  I, listen, I love Hawaii. I'm glad they're protected by the United States. People are cool as fuck. It should be its own country. It's five hours by plane.

• 27:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  Come on, man.

• 27:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:20Joe Rogan?

  White pineapples, primarily known as sugar loaf or white jade pineapples. Highly prized rare variety grown in Hawaii. Unlike standard yellow, they feature creamy white flesh, particularly, uh, practically no acidity.

• 27:34Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 27:34Joe Rogan?

  And a complex, completely edible core.

• 27:36Speaker 05

  It was great. And fucking, he climbs a goddamn tree like a little fucking monkey boy. Normal little white dude.

• 27:45Joe Rogan?

  How did he wind up in Hawaii?

• 27:47Speaker 05

  Ah, he's a real free spirit. He always was. I think he just went out there, visited and stayed. He's the kind of guy that just gets a one-way ticket places and figures it out as he goes. He's in Youngstown right now. That shows you how adventurous and crazy he is. He's like, "I'm gonna spend a week and a half there." I'm like, "A week and a half in Youngstown?"

• 28:07Joe Rogan?

  Why's he doing that?

• 28:08Speaker 05

  Visit family and friends, he said.

• 28:10Joe Rogan?

  Wow, is there a good hotel to stay at in Youngstown?

• 28:12Speaker 05

  No. And I even had to look this up recently because I'm like, "I'm not staying at the crazy hotel that I stayed at last time I was there." So I'm like, "Best hotel in Youngstown." And the funniest thing is, the actual closest option was in Pennsylvania, like 50 minutes away. Truly. I mean, there's one like Doubletree downtown, but it's in an area of absolute chaos. I mean, just death wish.

• 28:39Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever go back there and go, "I can't believe I grew up here"?

• 28:42Speaker 05

  Always, 100% of the time. I got a feeling for it immediately when I went to LA and I didn't hear police sirens anymore. Like, as often, at least. You know what I mean?

• 28:52Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that funny? Like, LA, with LA's crime.

• 28:55Speaker 05

  That's what I always thought. I'm like, "Oh, this is gonna be crazy. I've heard these Tupac songs. Like, this is gonna be nuts." And it was-

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  See, that was USAID.

• 29:03Speaker 05

  So peaceful. Yeah, exactly. So peaceful. In Youngstown, at least when I was growing up there, you could hear a police siren or an ambulance siren almost at any point of the day.

• 29:15Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 29:17Speaker 05

  My buddy sent me a shirt recently, too. Another buddy that has the stats on it of us being the murder capital. I think it was 90, 91, and 96 per capita. Not the biggest population. But, per capita, it was the most dangerous place you could be. When I was in those most developmental years, when a kid shouldn't be having his head next to the window. Yeah, there it is. I got that shirt.

• 29:44Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 29:45Speaker 05

  Four-time defending champion murder capital of America.

• 29:49Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 29:50Speaker 05

  Yup. In 01, 02, that puts me as a sophomore and junior in high school.

• 29:55Joe Rogan?

  And you-

• 29:56Speaker 05

  95, 97, I'm 11, 12.

• 29:58Joe Rogan?

  And you're being raised by your mom.

• 30:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. On the north, on the craziest fucking area of the whole goddamn thing. The most dilapidated part of the north side of Youngstown.

• 30:10Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 30:10Speaker 05

  Yeah. I can't believe it. That's why like, every part of my fucking story, I'm like, this is so goddamn weird. So weird.

• 30:20Joe Rogan?

  It is when you think about it, right? When you really stop and think about it, it doesn't seem real. 60 years ago, this Ohio city was named Crime Town, USA.

• 30:28Speaker 05

  Yup.

• 30:29Joe Rogan?

  Crime Town.

• 30:30Speaker 05

  75 bombings. Yup.

• 30:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this was the mob days.

• 30:33Speaker 05

  Yup.

• 30:34Joe Rogan?

  So it used to be a mob-run town, right?

• 30:37Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 30:37Joe Rogan?

  They were called Bomb Town?

• 30:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was, a Youngstown tune-up is a car bomb.

• 30:43Joe Rogan?

  Look at this. 75 bombings, 11 killings in a decade, and no one seems to care.

• 30:51Speaker 05

  They were so nuts in Youngstown that somebody tried to kill the actual prosecutor, the actual DA.

• 30:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, isn't that normal? Do they always try to do that?

• 31:00Speaker 05

  Well, it's kind of the stupidest, craziest thing you could do, because then the entire FBI comes down on you. It's a little short-sighted to go, ah, we're gonna kill the main cop of this city. And not think that anything's going to happen from that. Well, we beat the game, we beat the main cop.

• 31:17Joe Rogan?

  Imagine trying to be an intelligent businessman and also a mob leader. Imagine like, playing things out in advance, and, but also you're a mob leader.

• 31:27Speaker 05

  There was a lot of that going on. And I got to see quite a bit of it. Like, there were, uh, let's put it this way, mall developers in Youngstown and things like that. And I got to see firsthand, very young, that they were communicating with politicians at lunchtime and stuff. Because I was working at this little Italian restaurant at the time, right out of high school. And, um, and having, they were having these quiet meetups in a quiet, in the corner of a quiet Italian restaurant. And you would see these huge moguls, you know, I won't name any names, but big business people in Youngstown, meeting with the local this and that and congressman. I got to meet that congressman and that congressman,

• 32:10Speaker 05

  because they're there meeting with these super duper rich people. And I'm like, I wonder what the correlation is there.

• 32:15Joe Rogan?

  Bro, back then, when there was no cellphones.

• 32:19Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, they had to bug people. They had to, they had to literally bug businesses to get information. Like, they were all doing something.

• 32:27Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:27Joe Rogan?

  You couldn't be involved in any big time business if you weren't down with the Teamsters, if you weren't down with the Longshoremen. You had a, you had a, "We gotta work this out, Bobby!" "We're businessmen!" That's, that's how you did the business.

• 32:44Speaker 05

  Give a little money to their campaign, not a little, but a bit, and then you can get your stuff passed and make life easier down the road.

• 32:51Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I had friends that had no-show jobs.

• 32:54Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 32:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:55Joe Rogan?

  I had a friend of mine that had a no-show job in, in New York at the Javits Center. You know, the Javits Center is like a big convention center. He had a union no-show job.

• 33:06Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 33:06Joe Rogan?

  So he was a mob guy.

• 33:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:08Joe Rogan?

  And they, they just gave him money.

• 33:10Speaker 05

  I only saw that on The Sopranos. They had those no-

• 33:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's real, dude.

• 33:13Speaker 05

  No-show construction jobs. They're sitting there with their portable fans.

• 33:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, that's real, dude. That, that is a real thing. There's, they get a certain amount of jobs. Like, they would make agreements. Like, the union would make an agreement. "We get a certain amount of these jobs." It's like, you know?

• 33:30Speaker 05

  It's crazy.

• 33:31Joe Rogan?

  "It's really a hundred jobs, but we want a hundred and thirty."

• 33:36Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Youngstown was, uh, a haven for organized crime, related corruption, was ingrained into the fabric of its society. A 2000 publication, New Republic, listed a chief of police, the outgoing prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, members of the local police force, a city law director, several defense attorneys, politicians, judges, and a former assistant US attorney as controlled by the mob.

• 34:01Speaker 05

  So, if they have that, if they found that for sure, imagine how many others there are.

• 34:08Joe Rogan?

  Right. That's everybody.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  That's everybody.

• 34:10Joe Rogan?

  That's everybody. The prosecutor, the sheriff, the county engineer, the police force, city law director, defense attorney. Imagine not being down with the mob? Like, "Do you want to stay alive?" Like, "Do you want to work in this business?"

• 34:22Speaker 05

  Right. And this is a city, I think we looked it up the other day, actually. I think it only has 25,000 white people.

• 34:27Joe Rogan?

  Bah!

• 34:28Speaker 05

  So, knowing that black people tend to not be in the Italian mob, just going off of 25,000, and that's current. I don't know what it was back in the day, but the point is, is like, it's not a big city. It's not. I think fifty, sixty thousand half or less white. So.

• 34:49Joe Rogan?

  There's not me.

• 34:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:51Joe Rogan?

  There's little Tony watching pro wrestling.

• 34:53Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Pro wrestling. And even then, I was obsessed with Goodfellas and A Bronx Tale and A Godfather. Cause it's like, it's just what you're taught is humanity. Like, that's life.

• 35:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:06Speaker 05

  So getting out of that and going to LA and thinking it was gonna be all, oh, it's gonna be crazy gangs and stuff. And it's just quiet. Granted, I started in Burbank, which is a fucking television studio essentially, but.

• 35:17Joe Rogan?

  When I moved to New Jersey and I didn't have any money, when I first moved to New York, I couldn't afford to live in New York City. Or I didn't even have an apartment. I stayed with my grandparents. Cause my grandfather lived in New Jersey, in Newark. And he bought a house there in, I think it was like the 1940s. And they did a thing called blockbusting. Do you know what blockbusting is? They would go door to door and they would say, black people are moving to the neighborhood. You gotta sell now. And everybody sold. It used to be an entirely Italian neighborhood. And he was like, I like black people. Get the fuck out of here. And he kept his house, but it was like one of very few families that stayed. And then black people moved out and then they started getting like different people, Spanish speaking people, like Dominicans and a bunch of other.

• 36:02Joe Rogan?

  And that's how it was when I stayed with them. So this is like

• 36:08Joe Rogan?

  nine, uh, 91? Yeah. I was three years into comedy, so it's probably 91. And while I was living with them, the next door neighbor's house got broken into by the cops. The DEA smashed down his door. Dude had an Audi parked in the driveway. He was selling crack, like right next door to my grandpa. The whole neighborhood was just nuts, dude. Like, he would get really nervous when I would leave. Like, I would leave to go play pool somewhere and he'd be like, be careful. Like, it was fucking sketchy.

• 36:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:36Joe Rogan?

  But it didn't used to be. Like when he first moved there, it was just an all Italian neighborhood.

• 36:43Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 36:43Joe Rogan?

  Real estate people, even back then, like what a dirty thing to do. Scare people into moving. That's probably the first project of USAID. That's probably.

• 36:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:55Joe Rogan?

  They probably got real estate people to destroy neighborhoods.

• 36:59Speaker 05

  There's something to it. I don't know the correlation of Italian neighborhoods being taken over, not taken over, but whatever, by black people. Like the mob run cities like Youngstown, like Chicago, like Detroit. It's an interesting anomaly. I wonder if there's any correlation between the things.

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• 39:01Joe Rogan?

  Most of the Italians that came in the early 20th century were very poor. You know, they were all coming over here for labor or jobs and things along those lines. And, um, you know, when they started doing better, they, you know, they started moving out and moving into the suburbs and moving into, you know, more gentrified areas. It's always, what are the new immigrants that are gonna come and take over this area that was like formerly a low-income Italian neighborhood or a low-income Irish neighborhood? It's the same thing, like, there's cycles, you know? It's like there's cycles in fighting, too. Like, in the early 20th century, there's a lot of Jewish fighters. Like Slappy Maxie Rosenbloom, you never heard of him, right?

• 39:44Speaker 05

  No.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  Very good Jewish fighters. Um, because they were poor and they were the new immigrants, you know? And this is like before World War II. And then in, and even afterwards, there was some. But then you get Italians, you get a lot of Italians, you get Rocky Marciano, Rocky Graziano, there's a lot of like Jake LaMotta, there's a lot of these like Italian bad motherfuckers because they were poor.

• 40:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:10Joe Rogan?

  And then what happened, then you got a lot of Puerto Ricans, a lot of, you know, it's always like who's the new immigrants?

• 40:17Speaker 05

  Right.

• 40:18Joe Rogan?

  And who are the most hungry, come from the most poverty-ridden areas? Like Roberto Duran came from a terrible part of Panama, like, not terrible, but I mean, like, very poor, very violent.

• 40:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:29Joe Rogan?

  And he was one of the baddest motherfuckers of all time.

• 40:30Speaker 05

  Boom, Boom Mancini was right down the street.

• 40:32Joe Rogan?

  Yep. Yeah. I mean, Youngstown's known for boxing.

• 40:37Speaker 05

  Yeah. Kelly Pavlik.

• 40:39Joe Rogan?

  Kelly Pavlik, who's been on the podcast. He's awesome.

• 40:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:43Joe Rogan?

  He was a beast, dude.

• 40:44Speaker 05

  Oh, man. That fight with him, Jermaine Taylor won.

• 40:47Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 40:48Speaker 05

  Sometimes I still re-watch the end of that.

• 40:50Joe Rogan?

  How did he survive?

• 40:51Speaker 05

  Give me a burst of energy.

• 40:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, how did he make it through? That was a crazy, I mean, he got dropped, he looked like, it looks like the fight was over, and then when he's got him in the corner and he rocks him?

• 41:02Speaker 05

  Ooh, body.

• 41:03Joe Rogan?

  And you go, no way.

• 41:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:06Joe Rogan?

  He's coming back, this is crazy.

• 41:07Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 41:08Joe Rogan?

  This, did you watch the fights this weekend? Jaron Boots Ennis and I forget the dude he was fighting?

• 41:13Speaker 05

  No, I was at that concert, I missed it.

• 41:16Joe Rogan?

  Boots is very good and for the most part he beat his ass, but the third round he got rocked. The third round was incredible because he, the kid he was fighting, who's the gentleman that he was fighting?

• 41:26Speaker 05

  Xander Zayas?

• 41:27Joe Rogan?

  Zayas, yeah. Young kid. He got dropped in the second round, like, pretty bad. Boots is very good. He's like one of the best boxers alive. And then the third round, the kid came back and rocked Boots and it was just a war. Just the third round was incredible. Boots wound up stopping him. I think he stopped him in like the seventh or the eighth round. He just dropped him one last time and the corner called it. It was enough. Like, he was getting his ass kicked. But he was very, very valiant, you know. It was a really good fight. Like Boots is better than him, like, clearly. He's like, he's on another level. But this kid showed just tremendous heart. But it's like, that third round was just coming back from getting dropped in the second. Like, those kind of moments where a guy's getting fucked up, like, like the Gichi Tapuria fight.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 42:13Joe Rogan?

  Perfect example.

• 42:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:14Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 42:15Speaker 05

  That's when it's really a fight.

• 42:16Joe Rogan?

  A real fight.

• 42:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:18Joe Rogan?

  Because Tapuria was on him in that second round.

• 42:22Speaker 05

  Ooh, man. We were so close. They were in, they were-

• 42:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you could hear it.

• 42:27Speaker 05

  They, oh, you could real, you could feel it. Where I was, man, and, you know, obviously we're always close to the cage on those things. But when Gate, when Tapuria was landing those body shots, it was right against our side of the fence. And I'm literally like, oh, my, I mean, holy fucking shit, man. And I've seen a lot of people get ripped to the body before. But there's something about his close-range strength in near that clinch, that close-up fucking range of Elia that is scary.

• 43:00Joe Rogan?

  He's so good, dude. He's so good and he's so precise. He just tried to, like, Chael, I always repeat this because Chael Sonnen said it was perfect. If you try to win by knockout and fail, you won't win a decision. And sometimes you just run out of gas because like you're not supposed to fight like that if you think that the fight's gonna go five rounds. Like Ilya had him hurt and he's like, "I can take him out." "But Justin's so durable, man. He's so durable." And that left hook to the body, the sound of it, man, it's just whip. It's so perfect. He throws perfect punches. His punches are just, I mean even, Justin said it in the post-fight interview, like when he's fresh, his skills are unmatched.

• 43:45Joe Rogan?

  Like that's a crazy thing to say to a guy who just beat up and made stop. He stopped him in the fourth round.

• 43:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy to say, like his skills are unmatched, but they really are.

• 43:55Speaker 05

  Oh, at every point of that, I'm, at every point of that, anybody I think that knows anything about those two fighters is going, until this is stopped, anybody can win this. Like even when his face was blown up and his eyes looked black and closed, until that air horn rings, I'm like, anything, one punch, and we've seen it even with Gichi, you saw it with Holloway, right? Was it him? Who did he square up with in the middle?

• 44:24Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes. Max hit him with that final punch.

• 44:27Speaker 05

  One chin, one, with one second left, it can all be over.

• 44:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was a little different in that Holloway caught him with a jump spinning back kick to the face in the very last seconds of the first round and broke the bone of his nose. Um, we talked about it on the podcast and I was like, "That changed that fight." Because before that, Gichi was pressing him and it looked very competitive and it looked like maybe Gichi had a slight advantage. But that's because Max, Max is a very clever, very clever fighter. Like he's always switching stances and moving and, you know, really hadn't showed that spinning back kick a lot. That hadn't been a feature in a lot of his fights. He did it a few times, but to, for him to land it that way, backing up, jump to the face, I mean, it was perfect.

• 45:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:15Joe Rogan?

  It was perfect and his nose was fucked. And if you're fighting with a broken, like a broken bone on your face, every time you're getting hit, you're getting just blasted.

• 45:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  You're, the pain is insane. And then, you know, he had, you know, he was a step behind Max. Max was teeing off on him. He landed some good shots though, even though it was a good fight. I mean, Max was definitely ahead in the fifth round, but it was a good fight. And then, you know, during that wild exchange, he should have never done that. He was already fading, whereas Max was still very fresh. Fucking crazy fight, man. That was a crazy fight.

• 45:52Speaker 05

  I think Topia's nose was broken in round two, I think. It was pretty early on.

• 45:59Joe Rogan?

  Hard to say. You know, but Justin did clip him with a bunch of those uppercuts. So Justin does this thing where he like collar ties you and then throws an uppercut in tight and he's really good at it. He's really good at like turning you a little and then throwing an uppercut. In these exchanges, he collar ties and uppercuts. He caught him a few times and you just get one of those on the fucking nose, on the old schnozzle. This thing's so brittle. It's such a, if you feel your nose, just feel it. Have you ever seen Marab's nose? The x-ray of Marab's nose? You've never seen it? I sent it to you, right, Jamie? Jamie will find it.

• 46:35Speaker 05

  It's crazy.

• 46:38Joe Rogan?

  Look at it looks like.

• 46:39Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 46:40Joe Rogan?

  Look at that.

• 46:41Speaker 05

  Oh, fuck.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  Bro. That thing is destroyed. I mean, it's destroyed. He's getting zero air out of that. He's got the best cardio on planet earth and he's getting zero air out of his nose. But he won't get it fixed. Cause if he gets it fixed, he can't fight for like a year. And he just wants to keep on trucking.

• 47:04Speaker 05

  That dude's a freak.

• 47:05Joe Rogan?

  If I was his friend, I would say, dude, you got a lot of money, you're a world champion, fix the nose. Let's fix it, let's take a year off, come back and fuck these motherfuckers up. Cause if that guy's got a fixed nose, he's got 10% more cardio. Are you crazy? That guy with 10% more cardio, that's an extra weapon. I would get it fixed. But the problem is, if he gets it fixed and then like he fights a guy like Holloway and he gets jumping, spinning back kick to the nose in the first round and it shattered his again, then he's kind of fucked. Because if they have to fix it again, then they might have to start taking pieces of your rib out and reconstructing your nose and grafting bone and doing weird shit.

• 47:44Joe Rogan?

  And then sometimes that shit doesn't take and sometimes it gets infected and then you have a bone infection on your face. And why do they do that? Then they have to remove your nose? Is that what they have to do? Fuck. Scary shit, man.

• 47:57Speaker 05

  Very much so.

• 47:58Joe Rogan?

  These fucking dudes, man. That is a crazy job. To risk your life, risk your health, risk your bones. You're making a living by trying to damage another person who's trying to damage you.

• 48:11Speaker 05

  Nuts.

• 48:13Joe Rogan?

  But it's also why it's the most exciting shit in the world to watch.

• 48:15Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 48:16Joe Rogan?

  So exciting.

• 48:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:17Joe Rogan?

  Even boxing as, you know, tamed in comparison to MMA because there's less weapons and less options and.

• 48:26Speaker 05

  Lot more padding.

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You don't get the chokeouts, the crazy chokeouts. There was a crazy chokeout this weekend. Um, his name is Ruzaboyev and he fought, uh, God, how do I say his last name? He fought this Russian cat and got him, Russian or Ukrainian? I forget. Uh, but he got him in a rear naked choke and, and put him to sleep. And it was one of those ones where the guy looks dead. He's like lying there. I mean, it was a fucking nasty choke, man. And, yeah, like, and it's, look at him.

• 48:54Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. I saw that.

• 48:57Joe Rogan?

  It was dark, dude.

• 48:58Speaker 05

  It's another meme out this week along with the WNBA girl pointing.

• 49:01Joe Rogan?

  That's his name.

• 49:04Joe Rogan?

  Bro, it was nuts.

• 49:05Speaker 05

  The memes on these things are nuts nowadays.

• 49:07Joe Rogan?

  Uh, the internet is undefeated.

• 49:09Speaker 05

  Oh, it's crazy.

• 49:10Joe Rogan?

  They're so good at memes. There's so many people out there working jobs that they hate, that are smart and funny.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  Yep. We were talking about it the other day, but you, you've, have you caught up with any of those WNBA? What's her name? The girl that's pointing at her?

• 49:24Joe Rogan?

  Sophie Cunningham.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I've been, um, paying, can you put that thing in the middle? Put the ashtray in the middle. Um, I've been paying attention very little, but one of the things that I did watch is all the fouls. Like, these bitches throw each other to the ground. They, and they poke each other in the eyes. Like, they do this. They literally jab each other in the eyes. It's crazy. Like, they, they foul and also they travel so much.

• 49:51Speaker 05

  Oh, it's crazy.

• 49:52Joe Rogan?

  They take like four, five steps and then no one calls them on it.

• 49:55Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Double dribble, everything.

• 49:58Joe Rogan?

  Is there a trend now to not call traveling? Yes, without a doubt. In the actual NBA, it's a thing too.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  There's all, it's hard to get into this without going way into like the weeds, but the NBA has a technically different rule than college and like high school and everyone else where there's that they call it a gather step. And they definitely would call it in high school, but they work all day manipulating it with the referee, watching them saying like, you can do that, but you can't do that. You can do this, but you can't do that. And so like they've got it to a place where everything they're doing looks like traveling and dribble, double dribbles, but guys will break it down in slow mo and you'll be like, well, technically it's not, cause.

• 50:36Joe Rogan?

  Weird. I always thought if you took a step, you had to bounce the ball.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:40Joe Rogan?

  That's how it should be.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  You're allowed to.

• 50:42Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't it seem like that should be how it is? When you see guys taking four steps, you're like, what's going on?

• 50:48Speaker 02

  Well, do you want to see exciting basketball or not?

• 50:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I do.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  All right. Well, then let's let the referees call the game how they call it.

• 50:55Joe Rogan?

  But I think there's something exciting about you having to bounce that ball because you won't be able to score as much, right?

• 51:01Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 51:02Joe Rogan?

  Like if you have to bounce it every two steps, whatever it is.

• 51:05Speaker 02

  I wish I loved the NBA like I did when I was a kid and fucking Barkley and Jordan and Ewing and all these people were physical. It is just a whole different game now.

• 51:16Joe Rogan?

  So back then, was it traveling? Like when the Larry Bird days?

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Hell yeah. Unless Jordan talked to the ref and said, yo, you're wrong. Let me do what I want.

• 51:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, Jordan had the cheat code where he would leap from the fucking free throw line. That is so, when I've watched videos of that, it doesn't even look real. He was such an amazing athlete. He was so good and so possessed by his desire to win. He would do things that you would just go, how does a person fly? Dude, imagine if he was like a, like one of those jumpers, those long distance jumpers. He probably have an insane jump. Because he, he's going from the free throw line in the air. That's crazy.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Everything he did was crazy. The way he did things, the way he practiced, everything.

• 52:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And didn't he not make his college team?

• 52:09Speaker 02

  No.

• 52:09Joe Rogan?

  High school team?

• 52:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 52:10Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't there like one year?

• 52:12Speaker 02

  When he was a freshman, he didn't make the varsity team.

• 52:14Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, most freshmen don't. Perfect. May have changed basketball history forever.

• 52:21Joe Rogan?

  Most freshmen though, that doesn't make sense because they're not even developed yet.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's your plan.

• 52:25Joe Rogan?

  I know kids in Texas that keep their kids back a year. They want their kid to be bigger. I want Billy to be the biggest freshman. I want him to be a fifteen year old freshman. We're pushing for right before his fifteenth birthday. Like, hey, fifteen's a sophomore. Billy's a fucking cheater. Why you standing back at Billy?

• 52:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

  That, it doesn't bother me nearly as much in a sport like football where I see what you're doing. Like, you're preparing a kid for a professional future perhaps. Especially in Texas. They're very into it down here. But if it's wrestling, it's like, hey.

• 52:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:00Joe Rogan?

  Hey, there's fucking no money in this.

• 53:02Speaker 05

  Right.

• 53:02Joe Rogan?

  And that kid's sixteen and he's in the ninth grade.

• 53:04Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts.

• 53:09Joe Rogan?

  How is the, how old is the oldest that a kid can be and compete in high school sports?

• 53:16Joe Rogan?

  Jamie? Please put that into our sponsor perplexity. Let's find out. I wonder if it varies by sport.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  Definitely by sport and by state.

• 53:26Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, interesting.

• 53:29Joe Rogan?

  Do they all have a cap at eighteen? Or do they allow you to compete at nineteen?

• 53:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's gonna be, but before I even hit enter, I know it's gonna say something about like, your graduating class can't be out maybe more than like two years or something like that. In case you got held back or you had an injury or something like that.

• 53:44Joe Rogan?

  Boy, I remember from my days of being like seventeen and eighteen, the difference between seventeen and nineteen was huge.

• 53:52Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:53Joe Rogan?

  It's a big difference.

• 53:54Speaker 05

  Fuck, yeah.

• 53:55Joe Rogan?

  By the time you're nineteen, you're basically man strength. You know, seventeen, I was like a boy still.

• 54:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:01Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, I was flimsy. Seventeen, I was like a flimsy kid. By the time I was nineteen, it was, it's a different animal. You've got two more years of training and testosterone in you.

• 54:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:11Joe Rogan?

  If you're a wrestler, that's gotta be a huge advantage.

• 54:15Speaker 05

  Every advantage, everything in wrestling is a huge advantage. Starting one year earlier is crazy.

• 54:21Joe Rogan?

  Huge advantage, yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  It's nineteen based off of certain rules.

• 54:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, bro, that's so rude. Making nineteen year olds wrestle against like possibly fifteen year olds is crazy. Right? So if you are like in a certain weight class that's not strong, like, I wasn't a good wrestler. I was a pretty good wrestler, but I started. I was on the varsity team at my high school and uh like one year I didn't even cut weight or one one weight class I didn't cut I was I there was a guy that was below me at like one twenty six or one twenty eight and he was better than me and so the next available weight class was one thirty four which is I that's what I normally weighed when I was fifteen so I just wrestled at one thirty four

• 55:01Speaker 05

  that's lovely

• 55:02Joe Rogan?

  yeah but I could have been in there with a nineteen year old fucking animal who weighs a buck sixty and dries himself out briefly to hit one thirty four and there was guys like that man you would see them at like the states and you go what the fuck

• 55:16Speaker 05

  yeah

• 55:17Joe Rogan?

  and they were going to camps so they were wrestling three hundred and sixty five days a year all year long

• 55:22Speaker 05

  oh yeah

• 55:22Joe Rogan?

  I just started I didn't know anything

• 55:24Speaker 05

  same I started as a freshman in high school and got fucked up

• 55:27Joe Rogan?

  I didn't even start as a freshman I started as a sophomore I started as a sophomore because some kid kicked my ass in the locker room so some kid grabbed me at a headlock and threw me to the ground and didn't punch me he could have punched me decided not to but I was so humiliated I was like oh my god I need to learn how to wrestle

• 55:43Speaker 05

  mhm

• 55:44Joe Rogan?

  and then I also wrestled in the park like in the grass with my friend Steven and I thought I'd be able I was a good athlete I was doing karate I was like he can't take me down he took me down instantly I was like oh no this is terrible

• 55:55Speaker 05

  yeah it's a whole different beast

• 55:58Joe Rogan?

  it's also like how tired you get I remember thinking I used to think that I had worked out before that because I had you know taken karate classes and done some taekwondo I thought I'd worked out

• 56:08Speaker 05

  yeah

• 56:09Joe Rogan?

  you don't even know what working out is until you go through a wrestling practice like we're running stairs what what we're carrying guys around the wrestling room you pick up your partner your training partner you have the fireman carry them around the fucking room

• 56:22Speaker 05

  yeah

• 56:23Joe Rogan?

  oh jesus christ then you're doing pushups and situps till you puke and then you're doing live drills fuck

• 56:29Speaker 05

  nonstop

• 56:30Joe Rogan?

  dude animals

• 56:32Speaker 05

  yeah we would rotate Uh, you know, there's all those different weight classes. And just for shits and giggles, you know, one of the drills was, you know, escape from the next guy. All right, beep, whistle blows, escape, you're on bottom, you have to get out the next guy. So sometimes I, at a 103 weight class, I would have Hugh Frost, who was, I think, 235, 245, 250.

• 56:56Joe Rogan?

  You have to wrestle with him?

• 56:57Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, just for one drill. And it's a fucking joke, it's a pancake. And I, he would probably, he was probably showing mercy at the time, obviously, but not really. Cause he doesn't wanna, he doesn't wanna let this little fucking shithead 103 out from under him. So he's, you know, putting enough pressure to keep everybody there. Not to mention the 165 freak of nature made of muscle and the 185, you know, it's just a drill. But, oof, that reality hits hard. That's how you see the difference between 15 and 17 and all that.

• 57:28Joe Rogan?

  And someone who actually really knows how to wrestle, just wrestler strength. Like, I always tell people, if you wanna look at MMA, like, what is the most important skill? The, the, the foundation is wrestling, the foundation. If you wanted your kid to be a badass fighter, like, my kid really loves fighting. He thinks he wants to do it, but I wanna prepare him right, what should I do? Teach him how to wrestle. Get that kid into a really good wrestling program. Cause if you have advanced wrestling, you look at how it shuts down so many fighters. Like, look at what Hamzat did to Drekis Duplessis. Hamzat, he just wrecked all them. His wrestling is at such a high level. And Drekis, who was a world champion, couldn't do shit to stop it. He just dragged him to the ground anytime he wanted to. Got him in a crucifix like three times.

• 58:12Speaker 05

  Murab against O'Malley.

• 58:15Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 58:17Speaker 05

  You were watching a guy that does a no look, right hand knockout punch into a salute, no look at his opponent. Right? Get, I mean, it's just impossible. It appears impossible in every Khabib fight. The thing I always think about first when I think about Khabib fighting is him being on top and having his feet under the other dude's feet, which is just, that's it. It's the final level when you can't even begin the process of posturing out in any way. You are nothing. You are a tissue in an octagon with a man.

• 58:54Joe Rogan?

  And he's wailing on your face. He's wailing on your face and he has your legs triangled underneath his legs.

• 59:01Speaker 05

  It's always funny when UFC, or when casual UFC fans, uh, don't understand those little things like that. That aren't even part of the fight. They're looking up here waiting to see if the punches are going to rain down.

• 59:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, here it is.

• 59:16Speaker 05

  But the positioning of his feet is what I'm always looking at and how scary it can be here.

• 59:23Joe Rogan?

  He was hell. He was hell on top of people. He is right here.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  But that leg being thrown is torture.

• 59:29Joe Rogan?

  It's all the weight.

• 59:29Speaker 05

  Nothing you can do. There's just nowhere to go and all that weight on those hips, people don't realize. Like, I notice immediately if I ever see somebody that's kind of on top and their knees are on the ground. Like, if you look, his right knee isn't on the ground. It looks like it might be, but it's...

• 59:47Joe Rogan?

  Look how he keeps slamming those left hands into Johnson's head. I mean, he got hit with like 15, 20 unanswered, full-force left-hand blows.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  He's just holding his arms so he can't move.

• 59:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, he's horrible. He was horrible. So good. Khabib was so good. And he would do this to world-class fighters, man. And by the way, Johnson clipped him in that fight too. It was one of the few times in his career where he got clipped.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  Are there some that looked really frustrated?

• 1:00:12Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  Who's the one that looked super frustrated in that?

• 1:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Barboza?

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  I'm just asking. I don't remember who it was.

• 1:00:17Joe Rogan?

  Barboza was one of them, but I mean, a lot of guys I fought, Khabib looked frustrated because there's not a damn thing they could do.

• 1:00:22Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  Barboza was like, early in the first round, he had that thousand-yard stare. It was like, fuck. Like, I have to go through three rounds of this? Where they just give up on the idea that they could even win?

• 1:00:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, all you're doing is trying to survive.

• 1:00:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35Joe Rogan?

  He was a monster dude.

• 1:00:37Speaker 05

  Like that, his leg being trapped is nuts. And look how he's scooting with it.

• 1:00:43Joe Rogan?

  And he's just slamming punches. And then you get up, he's just chasing you.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I got the gun right back down, I thought.

• 1:00:48Joe Rogan?

  But if you get up, he's just gonna fucking chase you and drag you to the ground again. So you blew all that energy to get up. The moment you try to punch or throw a kick, he's on you. You're on your back again, punch to the face, punch to the face. Yeah, wrestling's giant. It is the, the biggest skill.

• 1:01:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:05Joe Rogan?

  You have to know how to do everything else too nowadays. Cause all these kids that like you see in the contender series, these young guys coming up, man. They're all so fucking talented. He tried to wheel kick him.

• 1:01:17Speaker 05

  And really more than anything, I feel like wrestling, being out wrestled and being just trapped on the ground is so psychologically demoralizing. When you've been training for a UFC fight and the crowd is out there and the lights are on you and you see the logos on the mat because you're facing it.

• 1:01:33Joe Rogan?

  Back that up a little bit, I'm gonna show you something here too. What's, what's interesting here, before that, before the clinch. So after he throws the wheel kick, like Barbosa's trying to win, right? This is the third round. He's trying to win and he throws this, but look, no, go before that.

• 1:01:48Joe Rogan?

  When he throws the kick. Here it is. So he throws the kick and misses. He's so tired now that when Khabib moves for him, he clenches. Look, he instigated the clinch. Instead of pushing away, instead of circling to his left, he clenched because he's so tired dude. He's so tired. And this dude just, look at that face. He just drags him down to the ground again. It's just hell.

• 1:02:09Speaker 05

  Two on one on that arm underneath him. Legs being thrown in, he doesn't know what to do with his legs. He actually just put his foot above Khabib because it's so confusing. All that weight on you, you don't know where to even begin to start getting up.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's, the first thing he's gotta do is get that left leg free and he's not gonna.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  That was that part right before the crawling thing.

• 1:02:30Joe Rogan?

  He's a, he was a monster. He was a monster. And retired undefeated.

• 1:02:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. And there's something to being on that mat, not being able to move, knowing that the clock is ticking. And this is not how you pictured this going.

• 1:02:44Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, this is with the current rules. Where I think there should be no stand ups. I think the only time there should be a stand up is when there's a foul.

• 1:02:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I completely agree with you. I hate it when they stand people up.

• 1:02:56Joe Rogan?

  Even if it's boring. Yeah, I get it's boring, but the guy can't get up and this guy's holding him down. So he's winning. He's winning. See, I know he's not doing enough. What does that mean? He's biding his time. You've gotta let a guy have strategy. Like Muhammad Ali did rope a dope against George Foreman. Imagine if the referee's like, you've gotta punch back. If you don't punch back, no, he's, he's got a strategy. Strategy is let George Foreman burn himself out and then eventually tee off on him and that's what he did.

• 1:03:24Speaker 05

  Yeah. It stinks that referees can let the crowd get in their head.

• 1:03:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's the, the organization wants action too. The fans want action. A lot of people disagree with me. And I understand their point. I understand their point, especially if you're a casual. Get, get him up, make him fight. You don't wanna fight, you wanna hug. Boo.

• 1:03:44Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:03:45Joe Rogan?

  So what? So what? This is the sport. And if that guy who's on top, who's biding his time and recovering, then decides, okay, now's the time. Let me start dropping some bombs because I've recovered. Good. Well, he held the position and he recovered his energy and now he's winning. Like let him fucking fight. Let him fight. Get out of there. Get out of there.

• 1:04:07Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:04:08Joe Rogan?

  There shouldn't be stand ups.

• 1:04:09Speaker 05

  And I get it. The referee gets that cheer from the crowd. You know, it feels rewarding.

• 1:04:15Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes when they stand fights up, I get excited.

• 1:04:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:17Joe Rogan?

  I go, yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:19Speaker 05

  Here we go. That striker has a chance.

• 1:04:21Joe Rogan?

  But my position is still the same. I don't think they should stand him up. I'm worse than that. I think they should start each round where they lost the last round.

• 1:04:29Speaker 05

  Oh, I love that. That's great.

• 1:04:31Joe Rogan?

  So every round, why do you get to stand up? Why do you get that advantage that a striker gets of standing up when you didn't earn it? Get back down there. Get back down there. Crucifix. Why'd you have to start the round off in a crucifix? Yeah, that's how the round ended. They look at the big screen, get a freeze frame of the position. Referee sets you in the exact position and says, ready, fight.

• 1:04:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. I love that.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck off.

• 1:04:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Joe Rogan?

  That's what the sport is supposed to be. And sometimes it's gonna be boring.

• 1:05:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:01Joe Rogan?

  But that's real, though. At least it's real. Cause there's been a lot of fights where the guy got taken down in the first round, starts out the second round and blasts the guy and knocks him out. And it's like, okay, it's exciting to watch, but he didn't earn that position. He just got that position because the other guy survived the first round. And so it's like, it's one fight. It's not five fights.

• 1:05:20Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:05:21Joe Rogan?

  So I think it should be one continuous fight with a one-minute break in each round.

• 1:05:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, that'd be like if the team losing automatically got the kickoff after halftime or something like that.

• 1:05:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and, look, guaranteed if I was running the UFC, I'd probably go bankrupt. I'm not the right guy. I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I'd be a terrible promoter.

• 1:05:43Joe Rogan?

  I'd be too honest about stuff and I'd want to give people fights that maybe they weren't the most exciting fighters, but they were above the other person in the rankings. I think the rankings should be the whole reason why you make fights.

• 1:05:57Speaker 05

  Sami Zayn won the Universal WWE Championship over this weekend at a big pay-per-view.

• 1:06:02Joe Rogan?

  I have no idea who that is, but I'm happy for him.

• 1:06:04Speaker 05

  Shocked Cody Rhodes. Who was, it was like a guaranteed win.

• 1:06:09Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what happened?

• 1:06:09Speaker 05

  Rolled him up real quick.

• 1:06:11Joe Rogan?

  Do you think maybe that was fixed?

• 1:06:12Speaker 05

  Well. It was very entertaining. Very entertaining.

• 1:06:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure it was. I just don't understand how you go back and forth.

• 1:06:20Speaker 05

  Oh, it's the best.

• 1:06:21Joe Rogan?

  I know, you love it.

• 1:06:22Speaker 05

  Well, sometimes, that's what I said about this White House card, by the way, is like,

• 1:06:29Speaker 05

  there's nothing that could have happened, that they could have written, if it was written, that would have made it more exciting.

• 1:06:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:06:38Speaker 05

  It felt real the whole time and the fights that happened before made it feel like anything could happen in that main event. Like, it just felt raw and real, but also storyline. Which, then when UFC is at its best like that, it's like the WWE. That's what's interesting. Of course, it's not as, you know, acrobatic.

• 1:07:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not scripted.

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 1:07:03Joe Rogan?

  But it is, it was a special moment, you know, regardless of how you feel politically, and I understand it. If you're, if you hate the Republicans and you hate the whole idea, I get it. But just as a person who loves a sport, it was a very unusual experience, very unusual. And just... I think people have to just look at some things that way. You know, some people have a really hard time separating themselves politically because they're going, oh no, that the White House puts on this thing, there's all this bad press because of the war, there's bad press because of this and that. And they put on this thing at the White House and it's sort of like MAGA washes everything, you know what I mean?

• 1:07:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Makes everybody like them again, gives them positive press, which undeniable, undeniable, it gave them positive press. I mean, the amount of people that have seen it is nuts. You know, I think just on Paramount, it's something like thirty something million now. And, you know, they were telling me that they thought it was probably a hundred and fifty million people had watched it in some form. Which was, uh, you know, TikTok clips, Instagram, YouTube, but that is a nutty number, man. And I think Dana and Hunter, they were thinking it could get to like a billion people see it. Which is just nuts.

• 1:08:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  In some form, you know, highlight reels, clips, I mean, just the Gagey fight alone, just the highlight reels. How many people watched those on Instagram and TikTok and?

• 1:08:25Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 1:08:26Joe Rogan?

  The awareness of the event of the moment was so huge, it was like nothing else. Like, it didn't feel like any other event we'd ever, like, I was nervous before it started.

• 1:08:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:36Joe Rogan?

  Like, I never get nervous for the UFC, I get excited, but I was like legitimately nervous. I was like, I was feeling like, little like, this is crazy, like, we're on the White House lawn?

• 1:08:45Speaker 05

  Nuts. The flyover is when it really hit.

• 1:08:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, when they had all those jets together and they were so close to each other.

• 1:08:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, imagine if one of those fucking cliffs, another wing, it spirals right into the ellipse.

• 1:08:56Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, crazy. What a spectacle.

• 1:09:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they would have definitely canceled the fights. Because think, they canceled the White House Correspondents Dinner because of that assassination attempt.

• 1:09:08Speaker 05

  God damn it.

• 1:09:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you had a bunch of bangers on that, I heard.

• 1:09:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, so annoying. I was more excited for that than like anything.

• 1:09:16Joe Rogan?

  How did they just cancel it? Why didn't they reschedule it? Maybe they're gonna wait until the ballroom's finished. Because that's the argument for the ballroom, that they could have it at a place like that where it's completely secured.

• 1:09:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:28Joe Rogan?

  Kurt Maske thinks the whole thing's fake. Oh, another fake assassination attempt?

• 1:09:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:34Joe Rogan?

  How'd that guy get in there?

• 1:09:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Joe Rogan?

  I had like, well, I think some people are just incompetent. There's incompetence, there's bad security, there's people that don't do their job.

• 1:09:43Speaker 05

  Also.

• 1:09:44Joe Rogan?

  There's also people that you didn't expect to be a problem and were a problem. And you're in a hotel.

• 1:09:50Speaker 05

  Also, the guy made it to the first level of the first scanning of security. It's not like he made it into the thing.

• 1:09:59Joe Rogan?

  But he did shoot somebody, right?

• 1:10:02Joe Rogan?

  I think he shot one of the Secret Service agents in his bulletproof vest.

• 1:10:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:06Joe Rogan?

  Is that true, Jamie?

• 1:10:07Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 1:10:08Joe Rogan?

  See, there were so many stories online, it's so hard to know what was true and what was not. But I think the guy was a teacher, like a substitute teacher.

• 1:10:16Speaker 05

  Nuts. It's all nuts.

• 1:10:19Joe Rogan?

  And it's like, man, you didn't think this out?

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  I rescheduled it for July 24th.

• 1:10:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:10:26Speaker 05

  The Correspondence Dinner?

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:10:27Speaker 05

  Wow, I did not know that.

• 1:10:29Joe Rogan?

  You might want to polish up some of them bits.

• 1:10:31Speaker 05

  It's gonna be some new stuff.

• 1:10:33Joe Rogan?

  Go back and tag some of them with some current events. Where are they gonna have it?

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry, I started to...

• 1:10:42Joe Rogan?

  If they have it at the same spot, that's not smart.

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  New event held July 24th.

• 1:10:51Joe Rogan?

  Is that the Pentagon?

• 1:10:53Speaker 05

  They might wait. They might wait to release that.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not saying... Oh, Waldorf... Excuse me, Waldorf Astoria.

• 1:11:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. Well, I guarantee you they'll tighten that bitch up a little bit.

• 1:11:07Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:08Joe Rogan?

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• 1:13:12Speaker 05

  I know he was excited to do the jokes.

• 1:13:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:17Joe Rogan?

  No, he was, he was very pumped.

• 1:13:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, they were bangers. I ran them because the thing happened. I happened to be performing at the Kennedy Center the next, that weekend, the next weekend. So I ran the jokes and I realized that I had Adam Ray as a special guest that was on before me. He brought me on stage. So I go, you know what? Even I wrote jokes for the President of the United States to make fun of the press and everybody at the White House Correspondents Dinner, but I just realized Adam's here. Adam, you want to come out and read these in Trump's voice? And so he was seeing the jokes for the first time.

• 1:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 1:13:55Speaker 05

  And we had so much fun.

• 1:13:57Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know he does the Trump, which doesn't surprise me. I mean, his impressions are insane.

• 1:14:01Speaker 05

  He can do anything, dude.

• 1:14:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he can do anybody.

• 1:14:03Speaker 05

  He didn't even, he did, he was dabbling in a Biden the week that I hit him up to do Trump Biden, which I think is a fucking, I think it's like 40 million or seven, some crazy amount. And again, just like the UFC, God only knows after clips. But it was a monumental comedy fucking moment, having Shane as Trump.

• 1:14:23Joe Rogan?

  Right before the election.

• 1:14:24Speaker 05

  Adam is Biden, right before the election, right after their first debate where Biden was clearly fucking zonged and sleepy and just couldn't compete at all. And so.

• 1:14:36Speaker 05

  I hit up Adam via text. I'm like, do you have a Biden? He's like, I cover it for five seconds in my standup. I'm like, uh, are you free on Monday to fly to Austin and do Biden? If I can get Shane as Trump? And I remember telling Shane, I was like, I'm like, this is gonna be an interesting ask. But I, you know, I'm just like, hey, Adam's got a Biden. And Shane's like, I have something to do on Monday. I'm canceling it. I'm doing Trump. He immediately saw the brilliance. It was just such a hot topic at the time. And my God, it was fucking crazy. There's clips that I see of that episode and I never re-watch Kill Tonys or anything.

• 1:15:17Speaker 05

  I'll see clips sometimes and I literally go, oh my God, holy fucking shit. There's one part where Trump goes, how many more retards are you gonna bring out? Because there'd been like two handicap people on the show. All right, how many more retards you have come? As I'm pulling a name out of the bucket in real time. I go, anything can happen, Mr. President. Let's see what the next guy's like. And he comes out and he has like these weird deformed penguin arms. And you see Shane as Trump and the crowd's dying because they see him first. And you see Shane as Trump looking, go, fuck. It's just one of his, his facial reactions to things are like his greatest secret fucking hilarious weapon.

• 1:16:00Speaker 05

  And when he's Trump, it's even amplified. It's like, in my opinion, 10 or 20% funnier than even Shane is. I mean, I'm sure he'd admit to this and know it because Trump is just such an interesting, polarizing character. And his take on him is so fucking funny. It's psychotic.

• 1:16:16Joe Rogan?

  His impression's so good. It's the greatest Trump impression of all time. Because it's like the jokes are so good.

• 1:16:21Speaker 05

  Oh, by far.

• 1:16:22Joe Rogan?

  He's so, what's funny, Jim?

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  So epic.

• 1:16:26Joe Rogan?

  Back it up a little bit.

• 1:16:28Speaker 05

  Watch another fun appearance by Drew Nickens. This is the best.

• 1:16:35Speaker 05

  All right.

• 1:16:36Speaker 03

  Tony, how many more retarded guys do you have back?

• 1:16:39Speaker 05

  Anything can happen.

• 1:16:40Speaker 03

  This crowd is hungry for more retarded guys. Frankly, I don't think we've seen enough retarded guys. How about a retarded?

• 1:16:46Speaker 05

  racist would you like to say

• 1:16:50Speaker 05

  this next person could be one I pulled it out of the bucket it is the Kill Tony debut I do believe of Jacob Barr everybody Jacob Barr

• 1:17:01Speaker 05

  oh my god thank you

• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  well well well

• 1:17:07Speaker 05

  oh my god okay

• 1:17:09Speaker 03

  careful what you're working for

• 1:17:12Speaker 05

  okay hold on we're gonna reset this Jacob what's funny is is Adam knows better than anybody that you're not supposed to say anything after the bucket pull comes up so me grabbing the mic out of his hand and putting it down is even another layer of hilarious to all of us it's like Biden's misbehaving I don't know did you see Shane's face when he notices his hands this is it look

• 1:17:40Speaker 05

  and then

• 1:17:45Joe Rogan?

  he's our Jackie Gleason

• 1:17:46Speaker 05

  oh yeah without a doubt

• 1:17:48Joe Rogan?

  that's what it is

• 1:17:48Speaker 05

  plus plus man

• 1:17:49Joe Rogan?

  he's the great one

• 1:17:50Speaker 05

  he's something else

• 1:17:51Joe Rogan?

  of our generation

• 1:17:52Speaker 05

  what people don't realize I mean obviously is that he is that funny all the fucking time

• 1:18:00Joe Rogan?

  all the time when we're hanging out in the green room

• 1:18:02Speaker 05

  every bar every restaurant every green room every every stairway fucking anywhere everything he I always compare it to Mike Tyson in his prime he just hits harder and different doing the smallest little things even if it's a face if somebody says something and he just like reacts to it it's crazy

• 1:18:22Joe Rogan?

  it's also always fun he's a fun guy like he wants to have fun like even when he's cracking jokes it's fun I know he was very reluctant to do the roast you know he was a little reluctant to even host that like I don't want to do those things you know but

• 1:18:39Speaker 05

  Well, everything is, you know, everything could be something. He crushed so hard. It caused a real ruckus, him and I end capping that thing, you know what I mean?

• 1:18:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:50Speaker 05

  It was supposed to be a, you know, this roast of black excellence and me and Shane are just fucking having the time of our lives. He got to do-

• 1:18:57Joe Rogan?

  Who said it was a roast of black excellence? You're just saying that because it was Kevin Hart?

• 1:19:01Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, that's, that's like, that was like-

• 1:19:03Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't like explicitly stated or anything, right?

• 1:19:05Speaker 05

  Hmm. I mean-

• 1:19:08Joe Rogan?

  Because imagine if you said we're gonna have a roast of white excellence?

• 1:19:10Speaker 05

  Right, exactly. Oh, I know.

• 1:19:12Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:19:13Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:14Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. We, you can and can't say?

• 1:19:16Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:16Joe Rogan?

  That's weird.

• 1:19:17Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:18Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:19:19Speaker 05

  Yeah. That's the whole thing with that. I mean, you can't talk about this, but you can talk about that.

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's just weird what we accept. Which like doesn't bother me at all, but like Kane Velasquez, when he fought in the UFC, he used to have brown pride tattooed on his chest.

• 1:19:34Speaker 05

  Cool.

• 1:19:35Joe Rogan?

  And his family came over from Mexico. They literally walked here.

• 1:19:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:19:39Joe Rogan?

  White pride, not so popular.

• 1:19:42Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:19:42Joe Rogan?

  White pride on your chest, you know, fucking Sean Strickland just decided to get white pride.

• 1:19:49Joe Rogan?

  And he posted a picture on Instagram of him as a world champion with white pride on his chest next to Kane Velasquez as a world champion with brown pride on his chest.

• 1:19:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:00Joe Rogan?

  And people would lose their fucking minds.

• 1:20:04Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:20:04Joe Rogan?

  And again, not saying that Sean would ever put white pride on his chest.

• 1:20:08Speaker 05

  He would. No, he would. I follow him-

• 1:20:10Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't have any tattoos!

• 1:20:11Speaker 05

  I follow him on Twitter. He would, trust me.

• 1:20:13Joe Rogan?

  He's a wild boy. Did you see when he showed up?

• 1:20:15Speaker 05

  Temporary tattoo.

• 1:20:16Joe Rogan?

  He showed up at the UFC even though he was banned? He showed up and they arrested him?

• 1:20:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:23Joe Rogan?

  They kicked him out. He's the world champion. There's a UFC event at the White House. At the time, before Justin won, he was the only American world champion. And they're like, you can't come.

• 1:20:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  Because you talk too much shit about Israel.

• 1:20:39Speaker 05

  He's a wild boy.

• 1:20:40Joe Rogan?

  But that's wild that your criticism about Israel is what keeps you from going to the White House as a world champion in a world title fights at the White House.

• 1:20:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  Like you would think you would want to celebrate the American male world champion. I think he said some other stuff too, though.

• 1:21:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:00Joe Rogan?

  Some Epstein stuff there.

• 1:21:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:02Joe Rogan?

  He's a wild boy.

• 1:21:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think he's.

• 1:21:05Joe Rogan?

  I told him when he retires from fighting, he 100% should do a podcast. And he was like, I, you know, I've seen these guys doing these streamers and like, I go, you don't have to do that.

• 1:21:15Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:21:16Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to do it that way. He's like, I couldn't do that, just sit there every day and talk to people. If I was like, I'd lose my fucking mind. I'm like, right, but you don't have to do that. Just your opinions on things. So he's an awesome podcast guest, you know? I'm like, he could totally, totally do that, just talk about stuff. And also Sean, when he lets the, the whole shtick down and just gives you his opinions on things, very smart guy.

• 1:21:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:41Joe Rogan?

  He's not stupid at all. And he would get better at it, you know, as he did it more. He easily could do a podcast.

• 1:21:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's entertaining as fuck.

• 1:21:52Joe Rogan?

  I just can't believe they kicked him out of the White House. And that is, they kicked him out of the ellipse, that area. There's, I think there's a video of it, see if you can find the video of it. Like, sorry, guys, like, they got like fucking six cops, a bulletproof vest.

• 1:22:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think there was like 85,000 people there. So it's funny that they're like, that one, the champion.

• 1:22:11Joe Rogan?

  It's just, he wasn't supposed to be there. He's banned. He was not invited or whatever. But even if you're not invited, shouldn't you be able to go to the fan area? If you're the world champion? If you want to be that wild with no security? And there's video of him from the first night, from the night of the weigh-ins, where they found out that he was there. It's amazing. Cause he was wearing a hoodie the entire time and someone told him he's got to take off the hoodie and he's like, I can't, listen, it's gonna be a problem. And as soon as he takes off the hoodie, everybody goes, that's fucking John Franklin! Ah! And then he's just surrounded by bros.

• 1:22:43Speaker 05

  Hilarious.

• 1:22:44Joe Rogan?

  Just getting hugged to death. He asked some dude, uh, some dude asked him to leg kick him, so Sean leg kicked some kid.

• 1:22:52Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 1:22:53Joe Rogan?

  We're a champion, fucking kicking some kid. What is this world coming to?

• 1:22:59Speaker 05

  There's starting to be some-

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  It's him. Is it, is there, uh, audio?

• 1:23:15Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy.

• 1:23:17Speaker 05

  I like that we have some entertaining American, uh-

• 1:23:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's the most entertaining.

• 1:23:22Speaker 05

  That Josh, uh, Hoke- Hocket?

• 1:23:25Joe Rogan?

  Hoke.

• 1:23:25Speaker 05

  Hoke.

• 1:23:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:26Speaker 05

  My god. He is-

• 1:23:28Joe Rogan?

  That was what was hilarious, was people were so upset that he said Michelle Obama's a man at the White House. It's like, that's what he's doing, he's doing that on purpose. Like, he's literally wearing an American flag bandana, he comes out to a Hulk Hogan song, he's wearing sunglasses, they're, yeah, it's not appropriate, you're right.

• 1:23:47Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:23:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, but he said the exact same thing when I interviewed him somewhere else.

• 1:23:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:53Joe Rogan?

  He said, I'm pretty sure he said Michelle Obama's a man, like, last time I interviewed him.

• 1:23:57Speaker 05

  That's what I heard, is that, it's not his first rodeo at the Michelle Obama's a man.

• 1:24:01Joe Rogan?

  That's how he ends his interviews.

• 1:24:05Speaker 05

  Hilarious.

• 1:24:06Joe Rogan?

  He's trying to get people to talk about him.

• 1:24:07Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:24:08Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's, the whole thing is so crazy, but all of it would be nothing if he couldn't fight.

• 1:24:15Speaker 05

  Exactly, that's what, that's where it's real exciting, is the pre-fight stuff. I mean, the post-fight interview, pretty polarizing, obviously, because that was the news. But, if you, for the real fans paying attention, you didn't get to see him do that. Did I send it to you, the Kill Tony Minute that he did at the press conference? Oh my god, so funny, cuz he's like, purposefully bombing. So he's literally doing a joke. He says, "You guys know Tony Hinchcliffe? I'm gonna do my Kill Tony Minute." And he's purposefully, like, bombing, it's corny, purposeful, bad jokes, and he's going, "Man, tough crowd." "All right, let me, let me try this one." And it's like, literally being hilarious by strategically trying to be funny but not being funny.

• 1:25:00Speaker 05

  You could tell that he was planning on nobody laughing, but that it's set up punch. And he's just fucking, he's just trying to entertain.

• 1:25:09Joe Rogan?

  He's trolling. He's trolling, he's getting attention. And then the most important thing, he can fight.

• 1:25:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:16Joe Rogan?

  That dude's good. He's fucking good, man. He's fast as shit. For a heavyweight, he's very light on his feet, fast as shit, fast hands.

• 1:25:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, so fun to watch.

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  And you know what's interesting is he talked a lot of shit about Alex Pereira. And you know, I want a shama on your mama, all that crazy shit.

• 1:25:37Joe Rogan?

  Pereira losing to Cyril Gahn. If Pereira decides to fight again, I don't know if he's gonna fight again. He might be done. I think he said he might be done. But I mean, a lot of fighters say that after a fight, and especially after a loss.

• 1:25:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:25:49Joe Rogan?

  Let him sit around for a while, then they come up with.

• 1:25:51Speaker 05

  He's not done.

• 1:25:52Joe Rogan?

  They back up the Brink's truck, get him versus Josh Hoke.

• 1:25:56Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 1:25:58Joe Rogan?

  As a co-main event on a fucking banging New Year's Eve card.

• 1:26:02Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 1:26:02Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 1:26:03Speaker 05

  Hoke will be making fun of his headdress and his face makeup.

• 1:26:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it'd be insane. It would be insane. But you know, the thing is, Hoke's gotta deal with that guy. That's a different guy. That's not Derrick Lewis. I mean, if he continues to fight heavyweight. It is interesting watching a guy who's been so dominant at 85 and at 205 with that, all that extra weight on. I don't know if that necessarily was the right move. You know, I mean, I think like some weight is probably good, but maybe even 20 pounds lighter, like maybe 230 something. Maybe that would be a better weight if he really wants to fight at heavyweight, because it seems like he was carrying. I mean, just, you ever work out with a weight vest on?

• 1:26:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:45Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 1:26:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:46Joe Rogan?

  Like a 25 pound weight vest. It's nuts how much harder everything is. So you gotta realize, he had fought at 185 and he fought at 205. That was what he weighed in at. But let's be honest, at 185, I think he probably weighed 220 something, 226 I think it was, Fight Night, which is nuts. It's 40 pounds difference. And at 205, he probably got into the 230s, like 235, 236, something like that.

• 1:27:14Joe Rogan?

  But still was not, didn't look like he looked at 251. 251, he looked like he was carrying unnecessary weight. A little bit of it at least. And if he was just like 20 pounds lighter, he would still have that speed and movement, but he's always had crazy knockout power. It might be a better weight for, it just seemed like it was a lot of weight he had on him, you know?

• 1:27:37Speaker 05

  And it all went to his ass.

• 1:27:39Joe Rogan?

  His ass was giant.

• 1:27:40Speaker 05

  Fat ass.

• 1:27:41Joe Rogan?

  Big fat ass.

• 1:27:41Speaker 05

  You know me, you know that's all I'm looking at. That's why I watch UFC. And yeah, it was all there. It was like a backpack.

• 1:27:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's where all the power comes from. You know, when you're pushing off your feet and you know, you're pushing off those fucking quads and pushing into those glutes and then torquing that body the way he does. Ferocious power dude. But damn, that Cyril Gahn's good. Woo! Woo!

• 1:28:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, crazy.

• 1:28:06Joe Rogan?

  He's so good dude, and he's in his prime right now. Cyril Gahn is like really coming into his own. There's no heavyweight like him. No one moves like him.

• 1:28:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was gonna say extremely accurate for a heavyweight.

• 1:28:17Joe Rogan?

  Not just accurate, agile. Cause we were talking about this the other day, that basketball is a great place to start if you're a big athlete and you wanna learn combat sports, especially striking. Cause think about how many direction changes basketball players take. Where they're always kinda doing that, they're always spinning and moving. It's a series of plyometrics. It's a series of hops and jumps, like Jordan's jump. Imagine if Jordan had a flying knee.

• 1:28:43Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:28:44Joe Rogan?

  Right? He's fucking, he's hitting you with a flying knee from 14 feet away.

• 1:28:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:49Joe Rogan?

  What do you got? What's that?

• 1:28:53Speaker 05

  It's interesting because uh...

• 1:28:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Cyril Gahn's, yeah, so he started out playing basketball.

• 1:28:59Speaker 05

  At least where I come from, basketball season and foot, uh, wrestling season are at the same time. So I wonder what he was doing back then.

• 1:29:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's in France, right? So France does not have wrestling in their high school or in their college. You know, and he learned wrestling after he had become a really elite world-class Muay Thai fighter. So he's got, the grappling has come up in big ways, like his grappling is much better than it used to be. But really primarily, he's a striker. And when John fought him, like John just got him to the ground and submitted him, like quickly. It's like the different, I think that fight was kind of a big ass wake up call. And Francis beat him too, so Francis beat him by just, Francis just got a hold of him and most of the fight was on the ground, a giant chunk of it, because Francis fought that fight with a blown out ACL.

• 1:29:49Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:29:50Joe Rogan?

  Defended his world title with a blown out ACL.

• 1:29:53Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 1:29:54Joe Rogan?

  Had big ass kneepads on.

• 1:29:55Speaker 05

  Oof.

• 1:29:56Joe Rogan?

  I know, wobbly ass knee, but that's how dangerous Francis is.

• 1:29:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:59Joe Rogan?

  He could just win it with grappling. It's a shame that he's not in the UFC, it's a real shame.

• 1:30:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:30:06Joe Rogan?

  Cause like, that whole thing was what drove everyone crazy about boxing. You know, that it was really hard to get these guys together. You know, and this was the whole idea why everybody was excited about what Riyadh season was doing. And Turkey Al Sheik, and you know, all those people that put together these big ass fights, like Tyson Fury and Aleksandar Usik, and the last one they just did, Rico Verhoeven and Usik, like they're putting together these big crazy fights. Like, that was the thing that drove everybody nuts about boxing, and that's what drives everybody nuts about MMA. The one thing, it's the heavyweight division, the fact that the best heavyweight, or at least the guy who was the lineal heavyweight champion of the world, isn't even fighting for the UFC, that's crazy.

• 1:30:52Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 1:30:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, who knows, maybe one day, right?

• 1:30:55Joe Rogan?

  Nope, I don't think so, I tried to make it happen.

• 1:30:57Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 1:30:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think we need to get those dudes together, look at that, look at Cyril Gahn dunking.

• 1:31:03Speaker 05

  That's crazy.

• 1:31:04Joe Rogan?

  I know, see, that kind of ability to throw your body around like that is so huge as a striker.

• 1:31:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:10Joe Rogan?

  Because a lot of those guys are plotting, you know, they're plotters, they just kind of like wobble through. I think what they need to do is get Francis and the UFC together, they all do mushrooms.

• 1:31:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:20Joe Rogan?

  Just like, make friends.

• 1:31:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:23Joe Rogan?

  Cause he doesn't have much time left, I think Francis is 38. Is that how old he is?

• 1:31:29Joe Rogan?

  I think he's thirty-eight. Which is different as a heavyweight, heavyweights.

• 1:31:33Speaker 05

  He turns forty in September.

• 1:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. Not much time left.

• 1:31:37Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Forty, you can do, but unless you're Bernard Hopkins, fighting at a world-class level in your forties, kind of unheard of. I remember when Fran- when Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly Pavlik, a lot of people did not think that he had a chance.

• 1:31:53Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, I remember it very clearly.

• 1:31:55Joe Rogan?

  And he outboxed the fuck out of Kelly Pavlik. He looked so good.

• 1:31:58Speaker 05

  Truly the executioner.

• 1:32:00Joe Rogan?

  I want to say he was in his forties when that happened.

• 1:32:03Speaker 05

  I think so.

• 1:32:04Joe Rogan?

  How old was Bernard Hopkins when he fought Kelly Pavlik? He fought at a world-class level until he's fifty years old.

• 1:32:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:32:12Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 1:32:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:32:13Joe Rogan?

  Nuts.

• 1:32:14Speaker 05

  We were all watching that one, everybody from Youngstown going, alright, this is it, we're gonna get back on the right path, because it was after his loss to, uh, Margarito, is that right? It's the guy that got caught with the cement in his gloves against the one guy. Antonio Margarito, I do believe.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  Forty-three.

• 1:32:33Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:32:34Joe Rogan?

  He was forty-three years old.

• 1:32:35Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:32:37Speaker 05

  Against a twenty-six-year-old.

• 1:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. Especially at a hundred and seventy pounds, like, nobody thinks at that weight that you, you can be competitive at a world-class level into your forties. Most of the ti- like, people just write you off on that number. They don't even care what you look like, like, he's not gonna be able to do it.

• 1:32:57Speaker 05

  Was he the first one to beat Kelly, is that what I just saw? Wow, okay, so he lost to him, and that's where shit started to get fucked up. Cause then he went on a, a bad run after that.

• 1:33:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, when you get beat up like that.

• 1:33:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:33:11Joe Rogan?

  It's just tough on the brain, dude. There's only so many of them fights that you could take. Where you get really beat up like that, Bernard put it on him. You know, there's been a, a bunch of fights where a fighter got beat up really badly, and then they were never the same again. Meljick Taylor versus Julio Cesar Chavez, that's a great example. Chavez just put it on him and dropped him in the final moments of the round, and then Richard Steele stopped it, and it was like this crazy fucking controversy. Cause he stopped the fight with like one second to go, in a fight that Meljick was ahead on the scorecards. But the, the real, the real story of that fight was that the damage that Chavez had put on Meljick, Meljick was never the same again.

• 1:33:55Speaker 05

  Paplik actually won his next two fights and then had a bad staph infection problem.

• 1:33:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh wow. So after he beat Sergio, so he was set to fight Paul Williams but to major staph infection and allergic reaction to some antibiotics nearly killed him. Whoa. He eventually was able to fight again against light middleweight champion Sergio Martinez.

• 1:34:16Speaker 05

  Oh, Sergio Martinez.

• 1:34:18Speaker 02

  He beat him.

• 1:34:19Joe Rogan?

  Martinez beat, he beat, Martinez beat him.

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, sorry.

• 1:34:25Joe Rogan?

  But yeah, unanimous 12-round decision. Sergio Martinez was a bad motherfucker too.

• 1:34:30Speaker 05

  Yes, he was.

• 1:34:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:35Joe Rogan?

  In late rounds Martinez came up. Yeah, it's, it's just a crazy sport, man. You only have so many wars in you. There's only so many times you could do that. And the really clever guys are the guys that just don't get hit much.

• 1:34:47Speaker 05

  I went down a Maidana rabbit hole recently. Oh my god. That fucking guy's a freak.

• 1:34:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's an animal.

• 1:34:54Speaker 05

  What a career.

• 1:34:55Joe Rogan?

  He was an animal.

• 1:34:56Speaker 05

  Unbelievable. He fought everybody.

• 1:34:59Joe Rogan?

  He was one of the few guys to really rock Floyd Mayweather.

• 1:35:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:35:02Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:11Joe Rogan?

  And wore his tooth around a chain. Oh, I love that. Yeah, he, he got Floyd's tooth and wore it as a piece of, see if you can find the tooth that Madonna had of Floyd. Look at that. Oh my God, that is so cool. How hilarious is that? That's so funny. He had his tooth put on a fucker. He wears Floyd's tooth on a necklace. Wow. That's crazy. Boy, what a square jawed motherfucker that guy is, huh? Yeah. Look at that jaw. That guy looks like he could hit him with a baseball bat. He was a tough dude. Insane career. I think he fought everybody. The Broner fight too. He dropped Broner. That was when Broner was in his prime.

• 1:37:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was a beast. It's a, it's a hard ass fucking sport. Any combat sport. That is a hard way to make a living.

• 1:38:01Speaker 05

  Profitable.

• 1:38:02Joe Rogan?

  Do you see all the stuff that's going on with Floyd?

• 1:38:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I can't wrap my head around it. I don't understand how someone makes that much money and doesn't pay taxes or whatever.

• 1:38:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I could tell you how. You run out of money.

• 1:38:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:38:16Joe Rogan?

  You know, you spend so much money on things.

• 1:38:19Speaker 05

  You don't, do you think he has a business manager?

• 1:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Maybe he wasn't looking out for his best interest.

• 1:38:25Speaker 05

  I mean, just, you gotta put somebody in charge of that amount of money.

• 1:38:32Joe Rogan?

  You would think, you would think seven hundred and fifty million dollars would last you a while.

• 1:38:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:38:36Joe Rogan?

  He's, I mean, he's not even fifty.

• 1:38:38Speaker 05

  You give one guy five percent.

• 1:38:40Joe Rogan?

  How old is Floyd now?

• 1:38:43Speaker 05

  I mean.

• 1:38:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, put some away. But the thing is, it's like, that lifestyle, his lifestyle was all about showing you his wealth. His lifestyle, he's forty-nine.

• 1:38:55Joe Rogan?

  Imagine, making seven hundred and fifty million dollars and you're forty-nine, you're broke.

• 1:38:59Speaker 05

  Oh, God.

• 1:39:01Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. But Tyson talks openly about how he spent hundreds of millions of dollars, just went through it. You know, if you're living that life, where you're just wearing diamonds everywhere and you're buying crazy watches and, you know, Floyd does these things. You ever seen where he'll go into a hotel room when he's traveling? And he talks about like the watches that he brought, and so he opens up suitcases with millions of dollars in watches. He just opens suitcase. You ever seen these?

• 1:39:27Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:39:28Joe Rogan?

  Find them, because they're kind of hilarious.

• 1:39:30Speaker 05

  Because he's just trying to figure out which one he wants to wear. He brings them all with him.

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just showing off. He's showing off that he's got two suitcases filled with diamond encrusted Patek Philippe's and, you know,

• 1:39:44Joe Rogan?

  the most high-end of watches. Look at this.

• 1:39:48Joe Rogan?

  See if you, do you have the clip? Here it is. Let me put some volume on this. Look at this.

• 1:39:53Speaker 07

  I'm always in my fucking business worried about what I'm doing, what Floyd is doing, what Floyd ain't doing, what I do got, what I don't got. Just know, I'm gonna stay in my lane. I ain't gonna fuck with nobody, and I don't want nobody fucking with me. If I go on vacation, my fault. When I go on vacation, for thirty days, I take thirty watches with me.

• 1:40:16Joe Rogan?

  Look at this dude.

• 1:40:17Speaker 07

  But you know what, you know what? What's crazy is this. If we add ten more days. I take ten more watches.

• 1:40:27Speaker 07

  But then I say, fuck it. If I wanna bring out the one and only, then I bring out the watch that costs eighteen million.

• 1:40:33Speaker 05

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:40:35Speaker 07

  Matter of fact, you know what I'm gonna do? For you motherfucking haters today? I'm gonna go fuck off fifty thousand dollars, cuz I ain't got shit else to do. Money made. All motherfucking day. You know what's crazy?

• 1:40:46Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem. So, that, you can only do for so long.

• 1:40:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:40:51Joe Rogan?

  So, if you have one eighteen million dollar watch, like, okay, let's not get crazy. Let's not get crazy. You wanted to get it, you got it. You have seven hundred and fifty million dollars. You have one eighteen million dollar watch. You can't have eighteen watches that cost millions of dollars. Like, cuz you're gonna need more, you're gonna keep wanting to buy more, you're gonna keep, you're gonna run out of money. How many Rolls Royces do you have? Okay, each one of those is a half a million dollars. You have four or five of them? How many Ferraris? You got ten Ferraris. Okay, what?

• 1:41:26Joe Rogan?

  Some of those Ferraris are almost a million dollars. You have ten almost a million dollar cars? Okay, so just in watches and cars alone, we're looking at fifty, sixty million. Okay, and then you have to make a hundred and twenty plus to actually have sixty. I don't know if he's leasing them, I don't know how he's financing things, I don't know. But.

• 1:41:45Speaker 05

  I'd love to know. He can make that money back by, he can make the money that he needs back by literally making a super documentary about how he spent it. You ever seen that Thirty for Thirty Broke? About how the NFL players all spent their money?

• 1:42:00Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:42:01Speaker 05

  Well, it's unbelievable, one of the easiest watches ever. And like. It it's by it's gotta be 30 for 30 is like biggest production ever like it's everywhere. It's it's just huge and um yeah, who the hell doesn't want to know about that?

• 1:42:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42:18Speaker 05

  And I'm waiting on that Nicolas Cage doc that I probably nobody's making either where it's like cause he's a different version of that. You know about this.

• 1:42:26Joe Rogan?

  He went broke?

• 1:42:27Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:42:28Joe Rogan?

  But then he made it back again.

• 1:42:30Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, he works his ass off. So he went on a he's on a terror. He's just making movies left and right and uh, yeah.

• 1:42:40Joe Rogan?

  He faced severe financial struggles in the late 2000s, going from $150 million fortune to being 6 million in debt. Whoa. He never officially filed for bankruptcy, but he cleared his debts by relentlessly taking on movie roles, including direct to video films and selling off extensive real estate and assets.

• 1:42:58Speaker 05

  I guess he bought like a lot of T-Rex skulls. Like he spent his money on like crazy things. He didn't just go watches and cars. He would find crazy pieces of art and like old historical things, I think.

• 1:43:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was a movie star from way back. You gotta realize like, what was his first film? I think his first film was like 1980 or something.

• 1:43:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:43:21Joe Rogan?

  I remember him being a movie star when I was in high school.

• 1:43:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:43:24Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of time of being in that bizarro Hollywood bubble, getting your brain cooked by fame.

• 1:43:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's one of those you can watch him do any things like one of those freaks where even though people will say, I don't like this Nicolas Cage thing. I don't like that.

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  From an article about what he spent his money on.

• 1:43:44Joe Rogan?

  $455,000 for two snakes.

• 1:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so it was $276,000 in 2005, the equivalent of $455,000 today. Thanks inflation. How crazy is that? What's the thing about that? $275,000 in 2005 is $455,000 today.

• 1:44:07Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  How fun is inflation?

• 1:44:10Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:44:11Joe Rogan?

  What was Nicolas Cage's first movie?

• 1:44:15Speaker 02

  Officially?

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  He was in a few things like unofficially.

• 1:44:19Joe Rogan?

  Just that crazy movie with him and.

• 1:44:22Speaker 05

  Raising Arizona had to be like the first big hit, right?

• 1:44:24Joe Rogan?

  That was a big one. That was a big one.

• 1:44:29Speaker 05

  His new ones are good, too. These wacky ones.

• 1:44:32Joe Rogan?

  His filmography, if you go all the way back. 1982, Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

• 1:44:37Speaker 02

  Is Nicholas Coppola.

• 1:44:38Joe Rogan?

  Valley Girl is what I was thinking of. That was in 83. Yeah. Credit is Nicholas Coppola, that's before he changed his name. Cause he didn't want to be connected to, what is his uncle? Francis Ford Coppola, is that what it is?

• 1:44:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:44:53Joe Rogan?

  Valley Girl. So Valley Girl was 83, so I was in high school, dude.

• 1:44:56Speaker 02

  Raising Arizona, Peggy Sue got married, those are big, too.

• 1:44:58Joe Rogan?

  Big, those were huge movies, dude. Raising Arizona is so fucking funny. I saw that like a year ago. I forgot, I forgot how funny it was. Remember Ty Cobb or Tex Cobb was in there? The boxer with the flattened nose who fought Larry Holmes? He did a bunch of movies.

• 1:45:15Speaker 05

  The big white guy?

• 1:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, big, big fucking corn-fed white guy.

• 1:45:18Speaker 05

  On the motorcycle?

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:21Speaker 05

  He's great.

• 1:45:21Joe Rogan?

  It's a Coen Brothers movie, right? Raising Arizona is.

• 1:45:26Joe Rogan?

  Those guys might be the goats. They might be the goats of comedy, them and the Farrelly brothers.

• 1:45:30Speaker 05

  Yep. No doubt.

• 1:45:32Joe Rogan?

  You know how many amazing, hilarious fucking movies? And the Coen brothers, they were always so out there. Everything's so out there. Some of their films are just like, what the fuck are you guys doing? It's like, was Kingpin Farrelly brothers?

• 1:45:45Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  Those guys, too.

• 1:45:47Speaker 05

  Without a doubt.

• 1:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, that was good.

• 1:45:48Speaker 05

  Unbelievable.

• 1:45:50Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, that's a funny movie.

• 1:45:51Speaker 05

  So fucking great, it's crazy.

• 1:45:52Joe Rogan?

  So funny. The scene where he's throwing up in the toilet when she's talking about him eating her pussy. To pay his rent.

• 1:45:59Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 1:46:02Speaker 05

  Woody's range is incredible.

• 1:46:05Joe Rogan?

  You know what I heard about that movie? That they had primed all the actors to get really excited when Bill Murray throws three strikes. Cause he had to throw three strikes in a row. And so they said, this might take a while, so we're gonna really need your enthusiasm. And then Bill Murray actually threw three strikes in a row, first attempt, and everybody went crazy. Like, for real. Cause they were, you know, like, they were saying, this is not gonna happen this way. So when he actually did it, everybody went fucking bananas.

• 1:46:34Speaker 05

  Nuts.

• 1:46:35Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, such a good movie.

• 1:46:36Speaker 05

  I love it. Dude, Woody's a freak, bro. Since he's moved here and goes to Kill Tony and like, we hang out and stuff. Only after like be making friends with him. Like I knew he did a lot of great stuff, but he sneaks up in so many great things. It's insane. He's in fucking, um, what is the Coen Brothers one with, uh, not there will be blood. It was made at the same time with Javier Bardem. Oh my God, how am I blanking on this? It's, uh, no country for old men.

• 1:47:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:47:11Speaker 05

  He's in it and he's not even, they don't even like promote him on that or anything. He just comes in the movie halfway through with all these other fucking greats and is crushing.

• 1:47:22Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to think that that's the Coen Brothers movie.

• 1:47:25Speaker 05

  The people versus Larry Flynt. He's a freak of nature, fucking.

• 1:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, that thing that you sent me the other day with him when he's playing LBJ.

• 1:47:32Speaker 05

  Oh my God, it's so good. I randomly stumbled across that one. I'm like, oh, I'll fall asleep to this. Woody is LBJ. And it's one of those movies that fucking kept me awake because it was so goddamn good. Mesmerizing.

• 1:47:45Joe Rogan?

  Super nice guy too, like easy to hang out with.

• 1:47:48Speaker 05

  Oh my God, the best.

• 1:47:49Joe Rogan?

  Very chill with everybody. Just hangs out. When he's in the green room, he's just like one of us.

• 1:47:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:47:54Joe Rogan?

  Normal.

• 1:47:55Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:47:56Joe Rogan?

  You know, which is hard to do when you've been famous that long, just be cool.

• 1:48:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:48:00Joe Rogan?

  But also he doesn't have a phone. You get a hold of him, you gotta get, go through his wife to get a hold of him. He's smart, just insulates himself from all the nonsense.

• 1:48:08Speaker 05

  Brilliant.

• 1:48:09Joe Rogan?

  So smart. Yeah, but I think when you get to like that level, you kind of have to or you'll go crazy.

• 1:48:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:48:15Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:48:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. He has his fun. He likes laughing, sipping his tequila, smoking his weed. He's got it all figured out. Grows his own weed, makes his own tequila. Eats live food or whatever and just laughs and enjoys life. It's perfect.

• 1:48:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's nice to know that people can make it through that crazy maze. And you know, you could either go nuts and buy Tyrannosaurus Rex skulls. Or you could just completely disconnect from it all and just be yourself. Just, just keep, keep killing it. I know him and, uh, McConaughey have a TV show that's coming out.

• 1:48:53Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:53Joe Rogan?

  Where they play brothers, right?

• 1:48:54Speaker 05

  Yeah. I think it's on Apple TV coming out soon.

• 1:48:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:49:03Joe Rogan?

  So, um, what's it been like, like the weirdness? The post roast weirdness?

• 1:49:11Speaker 05

  I'm always surprised by these things. I'm always surprised that they last so long that anybody's talking about it. It's so bizarre. I was surprised with the Pang Dang thing. I was surprised at the Trump thing and this one is really surprising because with other ones, they're like, ah, there's a time and a place for jokes like that or this or that or whatever.

• 1:49:38Speaker 05

  And this is the time and the place for it is like the roast of Kevin Hart, you know? I'm gonna go for it.

• 1:49:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:44Speaker 05

  And we roasted Kevin, you know, I did a fucking George Floyd joke in the, uh, at the Tom Brady roast and I did a, who's the white guy that shot people?

• 1:50:00Speaker 05

  It's the same fan base as, uh, god damn it, the kid that shot people up in wherever.

• 1:50:07Joe Rogan?

  Be a little more specific.

• 1:50:09Speaker 05

  White, the white guy shot a couple people, had a gun at a thing. They made it look like it was black people, but it was actually white people that he shot that were shooting at him or had guns.

• 1:50:19Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:50:20Speaker 05

  Has the...

• 1:50:21Joe Rogan?

  I have no idea who you're talking about.

• 1:50:23Speaker 05

  David Lucas is friends with him, brought him to the club.

• 1:50:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Kyle Rittenhouse.

• 1:50:26Speaker 05

  That's it, that's it. I did a Kyle Rittenhouse joke, I did this, and then this one, people are offended or something. I don't know. And yeah, if you just watch that clip on my dismount, it's a crazy clip. But if you watch the entire flow of the roast set, it's just one last departing joke, which that's my thing, man. It's like, I knew Earthquake would be standing up on his feet like he was halfway through my set, you know, you know, there's standing O's that are happening during my actual roast and on this one, because there were so many people on it and it was such a long, big roast, you know, they set you to an allotted time. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do something I don't normally

• 1:51:07Speaker 05

  do and blast off more jokes per minute than I normally do. Instead of milking it and getting applause breaks and things like that, I'm just gonna create a bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, final stand of things. You know, what's funny is that... I have something that's supposed to offend everybody. Like, I don't want you to like 100% of any of my jokes. I'm not that guy. I'm heelish. I'm a bad guy wrestling fan.

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  You're a pro wrestling heel.

• 1:51:36Speaker 05

  Exactly. So what's funny is people got offended about the George Floyd thing and people, a lot of people said, "Yeah, well, Pete Davidson did a Charlie Kirk joke." And they're comparing these things from two different spectrums, but what they didn't mention is that I did a Charlie Kirk joke in my set. So, fuck them, fuck them, fuck them, fuck them. You know what I mean?

• 1:51:57Joe Rogan?

  Everybody gets them.

• 1:51:58Speaker 05

  Everybody gets it is always my whole point.

• 1:52:00Joe Rogan?

  Everybody gets them jokes.

• 1:52:02Speaker 05

  Everybody does. I said that Kevin has quite the fanbase. He has more gunfire at his merch table than Charlie Kirk.

• 1:52:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:11Speaker 05

  Or whatever. And so, you know, for them to, for people to nitpick that joke and be offended, and it's funny because it was a lot of, a lot of comedians, a lot of black comedians were like, "I'm upset about this." You know, they made their videos, which is just hilarious because they're not on the roast. They're not in attendance at the roast.

• 1:52:34Joe Rogan?

  You saw Tiffany Haddish.

• 1:52:36Speaker 05

  That was the best one. Nobody handled it better than her.

• 1:52:39Joe Rogan?

  Find Tiffany Haddish getting asked questions. Was it a TMZ thing?

• 1:52:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:52:45Joe Rogan?

  About the roast, because she handled it so perfectly.

• 1:52:49Speaker 05

  They were trying to bait everybody.

• 1:52:52Joe Rogan?

  Of course they were.

• 1:52:52Speaker 05

  Everybody. Even Cheryl Underwood, who handled it all like a champ. We made friends before at a Netflix brunch that week that was for that festival.

• 1:53:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, dude, I told you about Cheryl.

• 1:53:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, she's the shit.

• 1:53:05Joe Rogan?

  She's awesome. I worked with Cheryl in like the early 2000s, I think it was, in Montreal. I told you, she's a monster.

• 1:53:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:53:13Joe Rogan?

  She'd go on stage with her purse on, just clutching her purse on stage. She had murder, dude. She had murder. Here's, listen to Tiffany.

• 1:53:21Speaker 00

  Oh, see, Rowley, you look so good. We have like 30 seconds to chat really quick? Yeah. So, talking about Kevin Hart roast, right? Yes, it was so much fun. So, Monty Love, they didn't think so. Monty Love was like, "You know what? It's exhausting. It's edgy." Specifically about the George Floyd joke.

• 1:53:38Speaker 00

  What are you thinking? Is it just comedy? Should they have been a little less, uh? I think it should have been shorter. The show was too long. Okay. I mean, I was sitting there the whole time. I had to pee. Something, I didn't hear the George Floyd joke because I had to pee so bad. So you was in the bathroom with that? Yeah, I was a glorified, uh, uh, seat filler. And I was tired. Well, also, I mean, Lonnie and other people were like, oh, maybe it was a little too racially motivated. What do you think? As far as like the jokes? Is this just comedy? Or are people taking it too seriously? Is this all comedians saying it that wasn't invited?

• 1:54:16Speaker 05

  That's the fucking comedian Tiffany Haddish.

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that was her version of the Sean O'Malley walk-off.

• 1:54:22Speaker 05

  I love it. I love it, man. You never forget those people that actually are answering honestly and real.

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, real comics.

• 1:54:30Speaker 05

  And again, it's the same thing for 100%. She's, not only is it a fun walk-off homerun, but she's also 100% correct. There's nobody that was there that was offended. There was no ruckus there. It's just like everything else where you leave and you go, huh, this thing's, this thing's kind of crazily taking off, it seems. A lot of people are talking about that one joke at the end. It's so weird.

• 1:54:57Joe Rogan?

  We live in an outrage culture and an outrage, there, there, there's a, there's money in outrage. There's engagement in outrage. Outrage is the, it's the commodity that everybody wants.

• 1:55:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:09Joe Rogan?

  They want to be outraged.

• 1:55:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:10Joe Rogan?

  And they want to be right. And if you're outraged and you've got a good point, you just ride that fucking thing for as much juice as you can get out of it. And then you move on to the next thing.

• 1:55:18Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:55:19Joe Rogan?

  What are you mad at now?

• 1:55:20Speaker 05

  It, you know? There's never, in any of these things, there's never a moment where I'm like, okay, this could cause a problem. It was, it's never been that way.

• 1:55:30Joe Rogan?

  While it's happening.

• 1:55:30Speaker 05

  It was high fives.

• 1:55:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:32Speaker 05

  High fives and laughter after my 3:00 PM set in a half-filled Madison Square Garden, waiting for the 8:00 PM arrival of Trump to speak. I'm, you know, on a 34-person lineup. Everyone was thrilled. Way to get the crowd going. I mean, they're just getting the party started. The lights were up. Like, it obviously wasn't the best position for me on that lineup, but the same exact thing. And then it's like a little bit later, you realize like, oh, they're making a news story about the Puerto Rico joke of all things. So interesting.

• 1:56:04Joe Rogan?

  I told you that joke was gonna be a problem.

• 1:56:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:56:07Joe Rogan?

  I would have never told you to do that joke during that, but I told you that was gonna be a problem in your act.

• 1:56:13Speaker 05

  It wasn't supposed to be in my original thing for that. It was a last second filler, cuz they gave me more time than everybody. It was a very bizarre thing. They gave me more time for every bizarre thing.

• 1:56:23Joe Rogan?

  First of all, the idea that you would go on after someone, like who went on before you? Stephen Miller?

• 1:56:27Speaker 05

  No, not even. It was the National Anthem with a guy painting a, uh, painting of things. Actually, no, he went on after me. I went on right after the National Anthem.

• 1:56:38Joe Rogan?

  But someone had some kind of a like rah rah speech. Make America Great Again, wasn't it?

• 1:56:42Speaker 05

  I wish, I wish there was. That all came like way after me, which is crazy. They just had me on the wrong position on the thing and, uh...

• 1:56:51Joe Rogan?

  You should only do stand-up where people are doing stand-up.

• 1:56:54Speaker 05

  Totally, totally.

• 1:56:55Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't work.

• 1:56:55Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 1:56:56Joe Rogan?

  It's like, but you gotta say...

• 1:56:58Speaker 05

  But then again, it did, it did work in-house. The place isn't mic'd for stand-up comedy or lit for stand-up or anything like it.

• 1:57:06Joe Rogan?

  No, they were laughing. They were having a good old time. Well, they were probably happy that something wasn't stiff and boring, you know, like taxes and fucking tariffs.

• 1:57:15Speaker 05

  I mean, Rudy Giuliani went on like three hours after me.

• 1:57:19Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:57:20Speaker 05

  Yeah. It was a nuts all day. It was a super long thing. My point being is that it always surprises me that I'm the news. Even though I'm, because if someone else said it, if it was a politician that did it, or someone else, someone high up in the administration, that would make sense. Same thing with the roast. If it was a clean comedian, right? If Nate Bargatze or Jim Gaffigan were on it and they said that, that's crazy. Me saying it, that's normal.

• 1:57:50Joe Rogan?

  They don't know that, though. See, the thing is, it's like you've achieved a level of fame that like really snuck up on people over the last couple of years. You know, it's because the rise of Kill Tony has been completely organic. Like, there's been no promotion of Kill Tony that made it become what it is. It's all just people sharing it on YouTube, sharing it online. That's all it is, clips and these moments, you know? And then, you know, obviously the Shane moments and all the Kyle Donegan. It's been so many amazing moments. This is a good show. It came organically. And then you got to this point over the last couple of years, like, oh, we gotta pay attention to this fucking guy. And then we had to, and then after they started attacking you from the White House thing,

• 1:58:35Joe Rogan?

  or the Madison Square Garden thing, rather, which is 2024, then it was on. Then it's on like Donkey Kong, right? So that's two years later. So now you're a guy that they go to, like, to get mad at. And there's a bunch of people like that online, that that's their business. Their business is people are mad at them, they have hot takes, people are mad at them. Yeah. I mean, that's, so you're, you've fallen into that category. And so there's gonna be people that genuinely don't like what you did and don't like you. And then there's gonna be people that are just using it as a commodity. They're just using it as outrage, which is part of what the game is. You know, this, this is what they do and their engagement, you know, fucking game that they play. And it's kind of what we do in the joke game. Yeah.

• 1:59:20Joe Rogan?

  You know, you get engagement, you get people to laugh. They, you say outrageous things that you don't even really mean, but it's because it's a funny thing to say. It's just like, I always say, Bob Marley didn't really shoot the sheriff. You know that, right? Right. It's like, it's just jokes. Exactly. Like, when you say inappropriate shit on purpose, I mean, that is, like, everybody used to know that. Like, Louis CK was a very left-wing progressive guy when he was saying really fucked up things that he didn't mean on purpose because they were funny. Yeah. Like, that was what he did. And everybody was fine with it. Till somewhere around, it seems like it was like 2016, 2000.

• 2:00:00Joe Rogan?

  Like it started to turn a corner where it became like, people are starting to take these things as statements rather than as comedy material. And they started trying to pretend that the person really means this. Like, that's where it got crazy. And that happened around the time where social media really came into prominence. Because before that, there was no real avenue to do that. There's no real avenue to pretend you were really deeply upset.

• 2:00:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:00:27Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I'm sure there's some people that were upset, but there's also a lot of like people that are just ill. They're online all the time on these social media apps, just arguing and spitting out venom and yelling at people and they yell at them. It's like, they're in hell all day long. And then anytime something comes along they could be upset at, they gotta, they have to have their take. They have to have that hot take.

• 2:00:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:00:48Joe Rogan?

  And if their hot take gets engagement, they're all looking at their likes. And they just start re-engaging with that subject and going back on it. And this is the real problem. Okay. Good luck with that. It's bad for your head, kid.

• 2:01:01Speaker 05

  Right. Exactly.

• 2:01:03Joe Rogan?

  Very bad for your head. All those people that I know that are like, especially comics that are doing it. The comics that are doing it, almost all of them don't have good careers. No, all of them.

• 2:01:12Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:01:12Joe Rogan?

  None of them have like impressive careers, especially compared to their contemporaries that are doing well. And then on top of it, they're all mentally ill. They're all people that are fucking filled up with pharmaceuticals and they're going to therapy. They're literally mentally ill and they're online, talking about fascists.

• 2:01:28Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:01:29Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, stop, like, get your shit together. No one, your opinion is not that valuable to people because they know that you're fucked up. Do you not understand that?

• 2:01:38Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:01:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, the way you view the world is, it's not a healthy, balanced perspective.

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  Like you're viewing the world in this like mentally ill lens.

• 2:01:49Speaker 05

  Well, the whole online thing doesn't, it doesn't even convert to sold tickets or a bigger thing. It's such a temporary drug for them to get to fill this void of what they're not doing.

• 2:02:01Joe Rogan?

  Right. It doesn't convert to them, people wanting to go see them. No. I mean, some people, maybe they get like a little juice out of it, but it's not enough because you're also opening the door. If you do become popular, you have to understand that if you've been spitting hate at people for a decade and then you become popular, boy, that hate's coming your way.

• 2:02:19Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:02:20Joe Rogan?

  It's coming your way, you know, and I mean, this is one of the things that I said after the Mencia stuff. I said, even though I think it was the right thing to do, I wouldn't do it again. Cause it's just too much. It's just too much. You just, you create all, you just feel the darkness of it all, the negative. It's all negative. It's all negative, even though it had to be done. Cause you've got this guy that with it, it showed me how completely

• 2:02:45Joe Rogan?

  absent of morals and ethics the business is, completely absent.

• 2:02:50Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:02:50Joe Rogan?

  They knew what he was doing and they did not care. They didn't care because they were profiting from it. This is the conversation that I had with my agent when they were dumping me. I told them, I go, you're making a mistake right now. It's going to affect the rest of your life. You have to understand the choice that you're making. You're choosing to align with someone who in any other industry, that person would be in jail.

• 2:03:12Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:03:12Joe Rogan?

  If that person was, and also if this was in literature or if this was in music, they would be sued into high heaven. Like there's songs that like, they don't even seem like they're that close to each other. And people had to give like songwriting credits to it.

• 2:03:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:30Joe Rogan?

  Like songs, like people get inspired by certain songs and then they write a song that sounds close enough that there's a rhythm to it that people get upset.

• 2:03:42Speaker 05

  Well, there's only so many notes and so many chords and there's only so many beats and so much timing. And it's often the same thing with comedy. Like there's some crossovers in a writer's room, which I've been in so many of. So many people writing on the same subject will have the same joke. It's only when it's like what Mencia was doing, word for word, long form.

• 2:04:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was a different thing. What he's, he was a buccaneer and that was a totally different thing. But there's songs like, okay, so I was listening to this video the other day, or watching this video the other day, rather, that was comparing Radiohead's "Creep" to an older song. And they had to give "Creep," uh, Radiohead, rather, had to give this older song writing credits for this, which sounds so different. And then, Radiohead accused Lana Del Rey, or someone from their organization, accused Lana Del Rey of having a song that ripped off "Creep", or was sounded too much like "Creep", and it did sound a little like "Creep", but it was very different, like, it should be. Obviously, this is like inspired by it, right?

• 2:04:51Joe Rogan?

  If that's the, like, Elvis Presley's entire career was inspired by black musicians. Like, the way he danced and moved and the way he sang. So it's like, what are we doing? Like, there's stealing and then there's inspired by. Inspired by is what we're all doing. It's like we were talking about that computer earlier, that chip manufacturing thing. That thing was built on the back of all the fucking super wizard geniuses that have been working on all the different technology that led to that being. You can't just invent that in a vacuum. You have to invent that on all these other inventions that have taken place for decades before you.

• 2:05:27Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:05:28Joe Rogan?

  This is, this, I just like, with music, it's interesting how litigious they are. Maybe it's because they're run by a certain group of people, Tony. But they're so good at like suing people. Like, Bittersweet Symphony, you remember that song?

• 2:05:44Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, totally.

• 2:05:45Joe Rogan?

  They had to, they had to give all their money to the Stones.

• 2:05:47Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:05:48Joe Rogan?

  Because it was, uh, what song?

• 2:05:51Speaker 05

  Uh, it's, um...

• 2:05:53Joe Rogan?

  Let's ask perplexity. While Tony is... Or while Jamie Rutherford is...

• 2:05:59Speaker 05

  Oh, I can't do that. That's right.

• 2:06:01Joe Rogan?

  No, you can't.

• 2:06:01Speaker 05

  Oh, we have to do it.

• 2:06:02Joe Rogan?

  They'll get us.

• 2:06:02Speaker 05

  Do it, I know.

• 2:06:05Speaker 05

  If, if, I mean, we learned this the hard way, because I have an actual band that can play anything and everything. And years ago, they could play anything and everything. Our old episodes hold.

• 2:06:18Speaker 05

  Because you know, I'd literally be to a shy person, I'd be like, "What do you, you ever do karaoke?" They're like, "Yes." I'd go, "What song do you sing?" And then they go, "Da-da-da-da." And I, literally, they would go right into it. And now you can't hum a song for a few seconds.

• 2:06:34Joe Rogan?

  So Bittersweet Symphony was a sample from, The Verve developed Bittersweet Symphony from a sample from a 1965 version of Rolling Stones song, "The Last Time."

• 2:06:46Joe Rogan?

  Adding vocals, strings, guitar, and percussion. After a lawsuit by the Rolling Stones' former manager, Alan Klein, The Verve relinquished all royalties to the Rolling Stones members, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, who were also added to the songwriting credits. Wow. 2019, 10 years after Klein's death, Jagger, Richards, and Klein's sons ceded the rights to The Verve songwriter, Richard Ashcroft, because he was probably broke.

• 2:07:10Speaker 05

  There's similar things that have happened recently with, I think, Olivia Rodrigo and Paramore, and then like Puff Daddy and...

• 2:07:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Can you please look up the other one that I set up, though? Which was Radiohead, Creep, Lana Del Rey. And Radiohead Creep had to give songwriting credits to another band.

• 2:07:30Speaker 05

  The Hollies.

• 2:07:30Joe Rogan?

  The Hollies, that's right. What was the original song?

• 2:07:35Joe Rogan?

  "The Air That I Breathe."

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  It's interesting. When you listen to, let's listen to them. See if you can find that, there's a comparison video that I watched on YouTube. See if you can find that. Because it's interesting how they say the first one, and you're like, "Jeez, I don't see it." We'll have to edit this out, ladies and gentlemen, but you can find it yourself. Radiohead's Creep versus Lana Del Rey's "Get Free" versus The Hollies' "The Air That I Breathe." Yeah, that was a live version of it, but if you hear the recorded version of it, it's even more. You could see. But people get inspired by things.

• 2:08:13Joe Rogan?

  I get it, though. I get it in those cases, especially like the beginning of the Holly song and then the beginning of Radiohead, like, oh, that's fucking dead on.

• 2:08:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:08:23Joe Rogan?

  They're set in a mood, like a very specific mood.

• 2:08:25Speaker 05

  Have you ever seen how the guy from, here's a crazy one, the guy from The Gorillaz, the song Clint Eastwood, I think it is, he had a, like, one of those, like, little kids kinda keyboards? And he hit the demo button, cause like oftentimes it'll just have a regular song or whatever, and it's the entire backbone of their biggest hit.

• 2:08:52Speaker 05

  You'd have to, you'd have to pull it up, I guess, to understand, but it's that, ba, dun.

• 2:08:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, there it is. So that's just on the thing.

• 2:09:03Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:09:05Speaker 05

  And somehow they got away with it.

• 2:09:10Joe Rogan?

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• 2:11:27Speaker 05

  Wow. And then all they do from there is just... Yeah. That's the preset. It's the Rock One preset.

• 2:11:38Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy. They use that. They used a preset from one of them little machines, like a toy.

• 2:11:46Speaker 05

  And much like the fucking crazy jokes that end up getting me in trouble, I bet they don't even think that's gonna be the hit. You know what I mean? Like, they're probably not like, "This is the song that's gonna fly off the shelves."

• 2:11:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but other people see it, Tony. I was the one who told you you were gonna get stabbed for the Puerto Rican joke.

• 2:12:02Speaker 05

  There was, that was so many years later, it's crazy. I was doing that joke during the pandemic to the point to where it got extended to where you were part of it. And what's funny is I left those tags of the longer joke out of the Trump rally one, which probably would have protected me. It probably would have saved it going, ah, it's gonna get me stabbed, whatever, you know what I mean?

• 2:12:22Joe Rogan?

  Then you would have do the Amy Schumer joke.

• 2:12:24Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, there was a lot to it, yeah. People don't realize that that's a small bit of a munch, much bigger chunk at the time.

• 2:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why it should be in a set, you know?

• 2:12:35Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  Comedy is such a weird art form. I mean, look, I love it to death, but real comedy should be seen in person.

• 2:12:42Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  You know, Stan Hope said this once, like, it was like, everything we do on TV is just to try to get people to come see us in the clubs.

• 2:12:48Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 2:12:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's really what it is. It's like, you just really want people to go there live, because that's the real fun.

• 2:12:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:12:53Joe Rogan?

  The real fun is all us, a bunch of human beings, fucking around and having a good time.

• 2:12:58Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:12:58Joe Rogan?

  As soon as you start taking it seriously and making it something that it's not, like, you're...

• 2:13:04Joe Rogan?

  I get why you're doing it, because that has become a thing that people do today. But I'm just saying, like, for your own mental health, just not, it's not good for you to be engaging. Like I was saying about the Carlos thing, like, just engaging in conflict. It's not good. It's not good for you. It's bad for you.

• 2:13:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:13:20Joe Rogan?

  It feels bad. It's not good. It's not, it's your, this is, there's negative energy and positive energy. You should spend as much of your time possible on things that make positive energy. I know that sounds hippie, and, because I'm a little bit of hippie, I got a lot of hippie in me. But that's what I believe. I believe you should spend as much of your time having fun, making people laugh, having a good time. And less about dwelling on shit.

• 2:13:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:13:47Joe Rogan?

  That's why I try to stay off Twitter. Because when I get on, I just start freaking out at all the different news stories that are just abomination after abomination. Where you're just so angry.

• 2:13:58Speaker 05

  It's just impossible now, and, and, you know, it used to be Twitter was Twitter and this and that, but really, it's just the news. X is the news.

• 2:14:06Joe Rogan?

  It is the news now.

• 2:14:07Speaker 05

  It's so hard to absorb that. It was fun, and, you know, it's cool and all, and my algorithm still shows me stuff that I love. Police chases gone wrong, and, and UFC highlights, and all of this stuff. But all the stuff around that is just crazy. I did a thing because I was staying at a hotel. In um, in uh, DC, right after the State of the Union or something. Anyway, I'm like, okay, it's a hotel TV. I never get to watch regular TV. I'm gonna be asleep in a few minutes anyway. So I threw on, um, I ended up going by CNN. I'm like, let's see what these wackos are saying over here.

• 2:14:51Speaker 05

  Let's see how fake the news can possibly be because from what I understand, the most recent State of the Union was a solid State of the Union and very positive and long and entertaining. Let's see what they say. Oh, racism this. He caused the deaths of black people here. He's the reason why we, why America's failing. It's the reason why we're the laughing stock of the country. It made me so stressed out and I'm like, okay, well, let's see what Fox News is saying. And it was crazy over there. And then you have fucking-

• 2:15:22Joe Rogan?

  What did they say?

• 2:15:23Speaker 05

  Uh, well, they had their counterpoint person on, unlike CNN where they're just all in agreeance.

• 2:15:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:15:31Speaker 05

  And going by six people, literally going, yeah, he's the worst. And let's not forget that he doesn't think trans people deserve this and this. And like, they're just going on and on about straight doom. And Fox News had a counterpoint person that was stressing me out. And, you know, and I swear to God, I'm not kidding. This is not a joke. I was flipping through the different channels. Go by MSNBC. I'm like, oh my God, this is crazy. I put on Silence of the Lambs.

• 2:16:00Joe Rogan?

  To calm yourself down?

• 2:16:01Speaker 05

  I swear to God, I was asleep five minutes later. Silent, and I ended up, it just coincidentally was on the Buffalo Bill part where like, he's got a girl in a well- He puts the lotion in the basket. Pure darkness. And I'm like, ah, finally some peace on the cable television. I never get to just watch normal TV.

• 2:16:21Joe Rogan?

  So did Fox News have a positive spin on the State of the Union address? I did not watch it.

• 2:16:26Speaker 05

  I remember for some reason it was stressing me out, whatever was going on. Cause like, they, they, at least Fox has, they'll argue still, like the news used to be. They'll have both sides on and kind of talk it out. And CNN has that poor guy, that poor one guy that just takes all the bullets for everybody. He's just going, "You're lying. This is, that stat doesn't exist."

• 2:16:49Joe Rogan?

  Scott Jennings?

• 2:16:49Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 2:16:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:50Speaker 05

  Yeah. That poor guy is probably, he probably has months to live. He takes so many bullets every day. He's a fucking war hero out there.

• 2:17:00Joe Rogan?

  It's a, it's a very turbulent world when it comes to discourse. It's just, everybody's mad at everybody else. It's really weird to watch. It's really weird to watch these, these shows on CNN now that are basically like bad podcasts that get interrupted every five minutes for a commercial. It's really what it's like. I just don't, I don't remember it being that way where it's just so many panel opinion shows. I remember it was, it was more, like CNN used to have Bourdain's show on.

• 2:17:27Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:17:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, where they would travel around the country and check out, or travel around the world and check out food. And it was interesting.

• 2:17:35Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:17:35Joe Rogan?

  And he would, you know, give you his perspective on the cultures and all the problems and the things that these people are facing. Their food and what the, what the community was like. Fucking great show. They did a bunch of different shows that were different, you know, and then somewhere along the line, man, they just went all outrage.

• 2:17:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:17:56Joe Rogan?

  And I don't think that's gonna get any different now. I mean, now it looks like Barry Weiss is gonna be running that as well. So she's running the CBS News and perhaps she's gonna be running CNN, or the same company's gonna be running CNN. It's like, okay.

• 2:18:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:18:10Joe Rogan?

  Good luck. Good luck. Because it's already, people already don't wanna listen. They don't wanna take it seriously.

• 2:18:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:18:16Joe Rogan?

  They, you know, and that's why X has become the news. The reason why it's become the news is because they can't trust the news.

• 2:18:21Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:18:21Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:18:22Speaker 05

  Totally. It's crazy.

• 2:18:24Joe Rogan?

  Like Tim Dillon had these two New York Times reporters on his podcast and I listened to him talking about it. I hadn't listened to them on the podcast, but I listened to him talking about it. And he was saying that, uh, they said there was no evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was intelligence. And I was like, "What?" What? There's no, if I could, watch one Mike Benz episode of my podcast where he breaks it down. It's almost impossible that he's not.

• 2:18:49Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:18:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, what the fuck are you, like, no evidence? No, that's not true. There's just evidence that you're not considering. So, it's like, if the New York Times and the people that we're always supposed to trust to be the objective purveyors of all that's going on in the world, if they're compromised, so they're not allowed to say things, or they have narratives that they could, they're supposed to spin one way or another, or they're very cautious about being honest about their opinion, very, very shielded about their actual opinions. Either, either one of those is not good. Or, if they actually believe that, that's not good either. Because that means you're not really paying attention.

• 2:19:23Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:19:23Joe Rogan?

  Objectively. Like, watch a Mike Benz episode where he breaks down Epstein's connections. It's nuts. The whole thing's nuts. It's crazy that anybody could say that he wasn't intelligence.

• 2:19:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's no doubt about it. But they will do anything to push their own story.

• 2:19:41Joe Rogan?

  They don't, yeah. It's, it's a propaganda network.

• 2:19:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:19:44Joe Rogan?

  And whatever that propaganda is, I mean, that propaganda will shift depending upon who's in control of the realm of, of the, uh, reins, rather. The realm, really is a realm. Realm of nonsense. Well, whoever's in control, they're gonna be the ones that dictate how the narrative goes. And it's always going to be whatever the sponsors are. That's why you never hear anything about any of these studies that they're showing about the vaccine safety signals that they found very early on, how they hid it. All this Fauci stuff, they're, they're not showing any of that. The Tulsi Gabbard speech, we talked about that, where, you know, she gave this speech explaining how he lied to Congress and Fauci pressured these other scientists to change their perspective on whether or not it was gain-of-function research and...

• 2:20:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. The shit that we had a pretty big feeling about back in 2020.

• 2:20:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't hear any of these people. They're not covering it.

• 2:20:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:20:35Joe Rogan?

  And they can't. Because they can't really tell you the whole news. They can only tell you the news they're approved to tell you. And that's not good. And that's how X comes about.

• 2:20:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:20:44Joe Rogan?

  That's how X becomes the place where everybody trusts. But then you go to X and it's just filled with horse shit. There's so-

• 2:20:49Speaker 05

  So much lies. There's always video of something happening and they're saying this is going on right now. And you're like, and then someone says, no, this is a video from 2022.

• 2:20:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:59Speaker 05

  This is in, you know, this part of the world.

• 2:21:01Joe Rogan?

  This is AI.

• 2:21:02Speaker 05

  This is China. This is not Israel. This is, you know, it's like, there's so much horseshit and there's so many bots.

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:09Speaker 05

  It's like, you just dip your toe into the water and you just feel poisoned. You're like, I gotta get out of here.

• 2:21:15Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:21:16Speaker 05

  But then you feel irresponsible for not paying attention.

• 2:21:18Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 2:21:19Speaker 05

  You know, I feel like so many people feel like they're doing the right thing, watching the news and being informed. And they hear that the news is fake and they think that's just like a Trump talking point. I've always said that Trump calling it fake news was like one of the worst things that could happen because then it sounds like a Trump thing. And the Trump enemies go, ah, fake news. Sure, it's fake. If he's saying it, then it can't be fake. Because we have to disagree with him. Meanwhile, it's a fucking, it's a goddamn production. I mean,

• 2:21:50Joe Rogan?

  It is fake.

• 2:21:51Speaker 05

  And

• 2:21:51Joe Rogan?

  They're right. It's fake.

• 2:21:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:21:53Joe Rogan?

  It's fake. There's a lot of the news is fake. It's not true. All that, I mean, the fact that no one got in trouble for all that Russiagate stuff.

• 2:22:01Speaker 05

  Crazy. Absolutely crazy.

• 2:22:04Joe Rogan?

  And that they're still, the same people that were pushing that Russiagate shit are, they're still giving opinions on TV.

• 2:22:10Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:22:10Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 2:22:11Speaker 05

  Yeah. There is no repercussions to be found. They get to say whatever they want. It's crazy.

• 2:22:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, the repercussion is no one takes them seriously.

• 2:22:21Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  And that's real. They've suffered that. I mean, we've seen that in real time. And I think the pandemic was the big, that was the big wake up call for a lot of people. Especially people that were forced to take the vaccine because they had jobs or, you know, they had to fly or they had family members. And then they, they got some horrible side effect. And those people got what they call red pilled, you know? I know a lot of people that got red pilled from that. They just can't take it anymore.

• 2:22:51Speaker 05

  It's crazy. And it's bubbly, you know what I mean? There's certain areas geographically in which that's the mentality and they stick to it. I mean, here in Austin, I'm known as, you know, a skinny little faggot. I went to LA and it turns out I'm a racist Nazi. Like, I'm like, they were doing jokes on me at that roast in which it's like, "What are you guys talking about?" There's parts where I'm literally like, "What the f-" I've never even heard this about myself. I'm on a comedy show every week where people take shots at me. And I've, none of this is a thing.

• 2:23:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's made up. And it's, they also made up a bunch of stuff about like you going to Saudi Arabia.

• 2:23:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:23:38Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy.

• 2:23:39Speaker 05

  Right. Crazy.

• 2:23:40Joe Rogan?

  They just made it up.

• 2:23:41Speaker 05

  Yeah. Not only made it up, turned it down. Like, didn't go when offered vast sums of money that the bus boy, bag boy, Tony would never imagine turning down.

• 2:23:52Joe Rogan?

  And people don't even know that you turned it down.

• 2:23:54Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:23:54Joe Rogan?

  Because you haven't been public about it.

• 2:23:55Speaker 05

  Right. I mentioned it, I glazed over it on one, for one moment on Kill Tony once, but yes.

• 2:24:01Joe Rogan?

  The people that turned down that money are you and Shane Gillis.

• 2:24:05Speaker 05

  Yeah. And meanwhile Netflix clipped that and pinned it on their Instagram, that joke. And with the caption, "Long sip because I'm sipping my water because the joke isn't on me, so the camera shouldn't be on me." Meanwhile, they're getting my reaction shot to, "Oh, you guys took that Saudi Arabian money." And it makes it look like I'm offended or something, or guilty of taking Saudi Arabian money.

• 2:24:29Joe Rogan?

  But just a joke when you just lie about a fact and to make a joke is crazy. Because you're just lying. Like, that's, there's a difference between that and making a joke about something. Like, you had to make something true and then criticize them for something. So you had to lie about something and then criticize them about that lie that you just invented.

• 2:24:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:24:51Joe Rogan?

  Which takes three seconds to find out it wasn't true.

• 2:24:53Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 2:24:54Joe Rogan?

  Takes a really quick search, like, "Oh, he didn't go."

• 2:24:58Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:24:58Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:24:59Speaker 05

  On the contrary, the guys that- Chelsea was complimenting during that set, basically. Kevin Hart and Pete Davidson did take the money.

• 2:25:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:25:08Speaker 05

  And went to Saudi Arabia.

• 2:25:09Joe Rogan?

  Also, you don't think Chelsea Handler would have taken that money if they offered her to go to Saudi Arabia? She went to dinner at Epstein's house.

• 2:25:15Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck are we talking about?

• 2:25:16Speaker 05

  But it's alright, because Woody Allen was there.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And apparently, she gave him the what have you. She told him. That's what they said. She told him. She was very upset with him.

• 2:25:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. At the intelligence agent slash sexual predator's house.

• 2:25:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:25:34Joe Rogan?

  Guys who are arrested for statutory rape. Uh, that's fine, though.

• 2:25:39Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 2:25:40Joe Rogan?

  It's just, yeah, don't be a white guy.

• 2:25:43Speaker 05

  It's nuts.

• 2:25:44Joe Rogan?

  It's just, the whole thing is so stupid. Like, if you wanna make fun of someone for anything, for, you know, you looking gay, or you, like, you're down with that. But there, when you invent a fact that's not true, you say it's not true, and then you criticize someone for that, like, that's stupid. That's a stupid way to do comedy.

• 2:26:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:26:03Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:26:03Speaker 05

  And the way that it's covered and everything, it's like, what are you guys doing?

• 2:26:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you didn't know, and people didn't know, obviously, because they laughed, they thought, maybe you did go. Or maybe Shane did go. They didn't know that you were the two people that did say no. You know, Jessica Curzon went, and she got criticized so much, she gave her money away. She gave the money away. I think she gave, what did she do with the money? Find out what she did. But I was like, oh, man. Listen, those people that went to see Jessica Curzon, first of all, I heard she murdered over there. She's very funny. She's a fucking dynamo. She's a killer on stage. Very, very entertaining, lovely lady. I love her to death. She's fun to talk to. She fucking murdered over there, I heard. So, a lesbian woman from New York went to Saudi Arabia.

• 2:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Like, donates Riyadh Comedy Festival fee to Human Rights Campaign. Well.

• 2:26:59Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 2:26:59Joe Rogan?

  All that money's going to someone's payroll.

• 2:27:01Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's going to a daycare center in Minneapolis.

• 2:27:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you feel better. But meanwhile, it's paying for someone's salary that's probably not fixing homelessness, or whatever the fuck it is. And that's what they do. Tom Segura went and put a photo of a Ferrari and said, "Thanks, Saudi Arabia."

• 2:27:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:27:20Joe Rogan?

  But everybody was very upset, but my, my perspective is, um, the people that are in that audience, if you're upset at the people that are paying and organizing, okay. The people that are in that audience, though, that they're performing to, they don't get a chance to see American stand-up comedy. And they're getting a chance to see it live, and stand-up comedy, like music, like literature, changes people's minds. It changes all art, where you see someone, a different person than you, with a totally different perspective, that lives on another side of the world, that says something that you think is hilarious and you love, it changes, you know, it changes people's perspectives. You win hearts and minds, I mean, that's real. Like, you, you can change the world a little bit by getting people to say, hey, we kind

• 2:28:04Joe Rogan?

  of are, we all have a lot of shared interests, we just wanna have fun, we just wanna be with our friends, be with our family, and do what we wanna do, like, everybody wants that, including those people in the audience. Like, those people in the audience in Saudi Arabia, were just Saudi Arabian citizens. They're just a bunch of people that lived there, that came out to see comedy. Like, performing in front of them, I mean, what is wrong with that? It's, was, it's wrong, you're supposed to boycott it because the people that run it probably were involved with the killing of Jamal Khashoggi in some way, or the people that finance it? Okay. Maybe. I see, I see how you didn't wanna do it, and I see how Shane didn't wanna do it, and

• 2:28:47Joe Rogan?

  I probably, probably wouldn't wanna do it either, but I don't have any problem with people doing it. Because I think at the end of the day, you're, just like I don't have any problem with Saudi Arabia putting on these boxing matches that I talked about. I love that they put on these boxing matches. And oddly enough, that's not really criticized that much, even by, like, heavy-duty, left-wing MMA media, which is a real thing. Um, there's a lot of, like, shit, shit libs that are MMA media, um, just because they're journalists, and they just happen to be fans, but they have that, like, hardcore, left-wing perspective. They don't seem to have that much of a problem with it. Not like people had the problem with the comics over there, where guys like Louis and Bill Burr, they just get destroyed for that.

• 2:29:27Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, it's nuts.

• 2:29:30Joe Rogan?

  But I think Segura had the right move, just, don't even pay attention, fuck off. I'm gonna perform wherever I wanna perform, you know?

• 2:29:38Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, it makes sense, totally. I just can't go straight from a Trump rally to Saudi Arabia, like, that's a little bit of a hop, a skip, and a jump.

• 2:29:48Joe Rogan?

  I know. It's also, it's like, you know, is that what you want to do? I don't want to go there. It's too long.

• 2:29:54Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:29:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to be on a plane for sixteen hours to go anywhere.

• 2:29:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. I hate it. I hate flying.

• 2:30:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck off.

• 2:30:01Speaker 05

  It's terrible.

• 2:30:02Joe Rogan?

  Come to Texas.

• 2:30:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 2:30:06Joe Rogan?

  It's just, we live in a very polarized society, and I think a large part of that is what we were talking about early with social media. And mentally ill people just screaming into the fucking void every day. I just would like to suggest to people, just try not to engage like that for a month and see how much better you feel.

• 2:30:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:30:26Joe Rogan?

  Just try it.

• 2:30:27Speaker 05

  Talk and make friends.

• 2:30:29Joe Rogan?

  And hopefully that's not how you've set up your life, where you have to do that for a living. Hopefully, you're not one of those people. Because there are people that are paid posters and they make a pretty good living just posting and getting engagement. Well, you know, I don't know what to tell you. You're trapped.

• 2:30:43Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:30:43Joe Rogan?

  You know, if your, if your whole thing is like shitting on people all day long, you're kind of trapped.

• 2:30:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:30:48Joe Rogan?

  But you can't feel good. There's no way.

• 2:30:51Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:30:52Joe Rogan?

  There's no way. It's like the amount of cortisol that must be pumping through your body all day where you're going over. And, and I see like people that do that. I see how they get destroyed in their replies. And I'm like, and I know they're reading that. Like, good lord.

• 2:31:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:31:09Joe Rogan?

  Like, I don't know how Gavin Newsom is still alive. Every time he posts something, the way he gets destroyed in those comments is like,

• 2:31:15Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 2:31:16Joe Rogan?

  Fucking insane. Well, no one is happy.

• 2:31:20Speaker 05

  It's just the funniest thing because it's, he reminds me of like one of the last actual politicians. Like, he's a different just lying, ignoring of facts type of human being. Because we're witnessing it. Maybe it's easy for someone in, uh, I don't know, New Hampshire to go, ah, that Gavin Newsom's the future. But we lived in California, and I've been to San Francisco recently. And we've seen it. Like, when you travel, You know comedians aren't the end all be all and these wise whatever sages perhaps, but we do travel a lot and you spend a weekend in a city and you're not just doing your shows.

• 2:32:05Speaker 05

  You're having lunch somewhere, you're having coffee somewhere, you're dealing with the people at the hotel lot, whatever it may be. There's different communications and vibes and energies. And there's so many of these places, especially California, you know, San Diego's like a last stand, Huntington Beach is an area around there. There's like these little pockets in which there's still some common sense and happiness.

• 2:32:29Joe Rogan?

  Newport.

• 2:32:29Speaker 05

  Enjoy Newport, all these little pockets. But those major cities are fucked, man. Even the drive, and you know, I go to LA basically maybe once a year now for a quick, always fun visit, always doing some arena and a couple nights at the store, which is different unfortunately. But the drive from LAX to that area of West Hollywood slash Beverly Hills is gruesome. Everything is for lease, everything is empty.

• 2:33:03Speaker 05

  There's nothing new, except for the crazy looking weird ass Obama museum library, which is the craziest, weirdest I saw humanly imaginable.

• 2:33:14Joe Rogan?

  Where's that?

• 2:33:14Speaker 05

  It's like on the way up there. I can't remember if it's like off of La Cienega or Fairfax.

• 2:33:20Joe Rogan?

  That's not the new one, because the new one is in Chicago, isn't it?

• 2:33:24Speaker 05

  Oh, it is? What's the fucking, they built something that looks just like that monstrosity there.

• 2:33:28Joe Rogan?

  No, the one in Chicago, people don't like it. I think it looks dope. It looks like, it looks like something from Blade Runner.

• 2:33:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  I like it. A lot of people don't like, but it cost a lot of money. It costs like 850 million dollars. See if you can find out what that building looks like.

• 2:33:46Joe Rogan?

  Show me a photo of the Trump building.

• 2:33:48Speaker 02

  They have a sports complex on, uh, in Los Angeles they made.

• 2:33:53Joe Rogan?

  Who did, the Obamas?

• 2:33:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know if that's it.

• 2:33:54Speaker 05

  Oh, okay.

• 2:33:55Joe Rogan?

  Um, what is the, um, the one in Chicago? A lot of people were criticizing it and I saw it, I go, "That thing looks dope." I love it. Like, that thing? Where is it? Yeah, the, the one there where your cursor is. Click on that. Oh, that's a rendering?

• 2:34:09Speaker 02

  I don't think it's done yet.

• 2:34:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's not done?

• 2:34:11Speaker 02

  Maybe, I don't, I mean, this looks like it's...

• 2:34:12Joe Rogan?

  I thought people were in it.

• 2:34:14Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 2:34:14Joe Rogan?

  What's it down there in the lower...

• 2:34:16Speaker 02

  I think they just showed this online and everyone was going crazy.

• 2:34:18Joe Rogan?

  I thought people were already going to it.

• 2:34:20Speaker 02

  I don't know that.

• 2:34:21Joe Rogan?

  Um...

• 2:34:24Joe Rogan?

  I think that's it. That looks like a rendering to me. That looks fake as fuck. But that one down there, that one down there with the darkness, uh, in the corner? Yeah, right there. Is that real?

• 2:34:38Speaker 02

  Cyclopedi Britannica?

• 2:34:41Joe Rogan?

  I think that's a real photo. I think it's done. I might be wrong. But, see if it...

• 2:34:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you have, uh, Los Angeles, Chicago.

• 2:34:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's real. So it's up. But I, I think it looks cool. It's different.

• 2:35:03Joe Rogan?

  Uh, people are saying it's ugly, it looks like... See if you can find photos of it. Go to images.

• 2:35:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just, yeah, there we go. Like, there. Dude, I think that looks dope.

• 2:35:17Speaker 05

  Really?

• 2:35:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah!

• 2:35:18Speaker 05

  That windowless...

• 2:35:20Joe Rogan?

  Look at how it has the writing on the top. What does it say? Go all the way up, please.

• 2:35:24Speaker 02

  I'm trying.

• 2:35:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:35:28Joe Rogan?

  Uh... Unconstrained Convention by what is...

• 2:35:33Speaker 05

  It's written on two sides, so...

• 2:35:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right. Oh, it goes all the way around it. Oh, that's fucking cool. I think that looks cool. I mean, maybe I have no taste.

• 2:35:44Speaker 05

  I mean, we can't even find an angle of what they're trying to say there, so...

• 2:35:48Joe Rogan?

  Right. I don't know what it's saying, but I think it's cool that they did that, that they had words that go across like that. I just think it looks sick. But I like that kind of brutalist architecture. I think that's what they call it.

• 2:36:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:36:01Joe Rogan?

  I like that kind of cool cement with big glass. Like, there's a lot of houses like that, especially like in the Hollywood Hills that I love. I looked at one of them back when I was starting to make that cheddar. And I was like, maybe I should live in Hollywood and then I could just do the store right there. But I was like, probably not that safe. I looked at the house above the store that Mitzi was selling. What was on Colfax? Was that what it was? Was that the street? It was the comic store, the comic house, where like Kennison stayed there and Paulie lived there for a while. But I had dogs and I was like, this is not enough backyard. It's too small. And also it's like, it's too close to the machine.

• 2:36:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:36:45Joe Rogan?

  It's like right next to the beast. Like, I don't know if I want to be like right next to the beast. I think I'd rather be outside the beast and go visit. Like that for me, for my head. But I looked at a couple of houses up there and one of them was this house that was like really, it was out of my budget, really. I was just, I shouldn't have been looking at it. It was like 10 million bucks. And it had crazy like, like concrete with massive windows. But it was right there on the street. Like you're walking on the street, there's a sidewalk, you could reen over and touch the front door of the house. And I was like, this is kind of crazy to buy this house. And the guy was like, don't worry, we have state of the art security system. So I go, yeah, you know what that is? I go, your cameras are gonna catch a guy with a ski mask robbing you.

• 2:37:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:37:31Joe Rogan?

  And two weeks after I said that, the guy who owned the house got shot in it.

• 2:37:35Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 2:37:35Joe Rogan?

  Two weeks. Got shot in the neck.

• 2:37:38Speaker 05

  Fuck.

• 2:37:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:40Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 2:37:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, so.

• 2:37:44Joe Rogan?

  Hey.

• 2:37:44Speaker 05

  That's these places, man.

• 2:37:46Joe Rogan?

  But the archi- that kind of architecture, I think is dope. I like like that crazy modern cement stuff. But for a house, like what you're gonna live in, the reality is, you'd probably be like, I'm sleeping in a museum. This is too weird.

• 2:37:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:38:00Joe Rogan?

  I'd rather just have a regular house.

• 2:38:02Speaker 05

  Yeah. Windows are a necessity.

• 2:38:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I just wanna see stuff. I just wanna be able to have a cup of coffee and see some trees. You know, let me just sit down and fucking collect my thoughts for the day. You know, I don't necessarily need to be in a fucking museum. Concrete ass, big, it's, there's something weird about it. It's like you're too weird. If you live like that, you're weird, man. You're, you're living with this giant twenty foot high glass wall in front of you that looks out at the Blade Runner scape that is Los Angeles from the hills. Have you seen that view at night? Have you ever been up to a house?

• 2:38:41Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:38:42Speaker 02

  Have you seen this house?

• 2:38:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's sick. I love that house.

• 2:38:45Speaker 02

  It's known as like the Oakley founders' house. I don't know if he still owns it, but.

• 2:38:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's up there.

• 2:38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:50Joe Rogan?

  That house I love. See, if I was single and a baller, that's where I would live. Two hundred and ten million. A bargain.

• 2:39:00Joe Rogan?

  Fucking love that shit. I see shit like that. I'm like, oh, my God, that's where, I love it. But I don't wanna live there for real.

• 2:39:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:08Joe Rogan?

  I think after a while you'd be like, I'd rather have a log house.

• 2:39:11Speaker 02

  I was trying to find pictures of Kanye's concrete house, but this is not the one I was looking for specifically.

• 2:39:15Joe Rogan?

  I just love those kind of houses that look like that, like especially that one, that circular one. The way you pull into that driveway and the, the entire back house faces the lights and you see the lights. Like, it's hard to see from photos of how, look how sick that looks, man. That's sick. I love that. But the lights from that, like if you're up in the hills, you wanna be above looking down. And it's like a movie. It's like a sci-fi movie. It's one of the coolest fucking views I've ever seen.

• 2:39:46Speaker 05

  Paulie has the fucking, as crazy as it sounds, that motherfucker, when he made it, he bought a house that's on top, top, top, top, top of the Hollywood Hills with that MTV money.

• 2:39:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:58Speaker 05

  Dude, it's crazy. He remodeled it recently when I was there for the festival. He's like, dude, you gotta come see the house. Come see the house. I'm like, Paulie, I'm so busy. That's very highly unlikely. Come see the house, dude. You gotta come to the house. Sure enough, I went there one afternoon for a fucking coffee. Bro, it is crazy. He was right. He's got the house. He did it. It's on top of everything. So there's, if, if a robber does try to go up there, they're robbing someone else's house. They don't wanna go to the tippy top of the fucking hill. That's a tough escape.

• 2:40:32Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem is the escape.

• 2:40:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:34Joe Rogan?

  You wanna be close to the bottom.

• 2:40:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:40:36Joe Rogan?

  So you can

• 2:40:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:40:38Joe Rogan?

  Speaking of which, I've been watching, uh, I got, I went down a rabbit hole the other day on YouTube. Where, uh, street racers, and there's this one guy, uh, who is like a famous street racer. Because, uh, there's all these videos of him. He got his, uh, his thing set up where he can shut the lights off. He's got this black Corvette. I'mma send this to you, Jamie.

• 2:41:00Speaker 02

  Like I've seen this guy.

• 2:41:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, his name is really slow. Like R Y L S L O. Um, and he's got videos of these cop encounters. So they like baits cops. And then goes on these mad runs. And you, you watch it, you go, holy shit, man.

• 2:41:20Speaker 02

  Cars on the screen.

• 2:41:21Joe Rogan?

  Yes, this is the dude. Yeah, so.

• 2:41:25Speaker 02

  About him, not just one.

• 2:41:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is, well, he's like a legend online because he does interviews only with a voice changer. Where it takes his voice and it makes it like that. Where he describes all the modifications that he did to his car. But he puts a 3D camera on the back of his car. And he, uh, you know, they have those things where you stick it on the back of your car? And he gives you a 3D view of the automobile? And he has video of the cops like flashing their lights. And his car's got a thousand plus horsepower. So these poor cops, and they're like 300 horsepower fucking Crown Victoria. They try to chase this guy, and he just disappears. And then once he gets out of the line, like, go back to that video where it was before. Watch this.

• 2:42:10Speaker 02

  I mean, it's, this is, it's like edited, it's not his videos, it's just someone.

• 2:42:14Joe Rogan?

  I, I understand. But if you just, I know this video. But if you, what, what, what he does is they start pulling him over. And in the beginning, when they pull him over, he hits the gas and then shuts his lights off. Did you pass that spot?

• 2:42:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is it.

• 2:42:26Joe Rogan?

  So, so this is it. So they hit the lights and he's like, see ya. Are they gonna show it?

• 2:42:33Speaker 02

  Yes, this is not the.

• 2:42:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so it's not the compilation. So when he does it, and he hits the gas, he gets far, here it is. He gets far enough away from them. They're not showing it. These motherfuckers, they have to edit their own shit. Leaving it alone is better. So he gets ahead of everybody and then just, he has a button where it kills his headlights. And he's using night vision.

• 2:42:54Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:42:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's nuts. So is this it?

• 2:42:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:42:59Speaker 02

  He enters ghost mode here.

• 2:43:00Joe Rogan?

  Yes, this is it. So this is this guy. So his license plate says Will Run. Like it's a fake, it's a fake license plate. The cops get up behind him, they hit the lights and he goes bye. Bah. And the cops realize there's no way to catch this guy. It's not, and look at that.

• 2:43:16Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 2:43:16Joe Rogan?

  Lights go out and he's gone.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  And he's flashing lights on people to get them the fuck out of the way and there's no way to catch him. And then he bangs U-turns, he knows where he's going, he plots it out. And the thing is, he's filming this and uploading it.

• 2:43:31Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:43:32Joe Rogan?

  So he's gotta hide his identity through how many different channels? How does Instagram not know who he is? How is he posting? I guess he's using a VPN, he's probably using a proxy and he's probably going through some other country or something, if he's smart. If he's smart enough to avoid detection. But he just has these fucking crazy car bills, like he's got a Calvo Viper that has like, I mean, I don't know how many fucking horsepower that thing has. But they make some of these Calvo Vipers, it's a company here in Texas. They make Vipers that have 2,000 horsepower.

• 2:44:07Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 2:44:07Joe Rogan?

  What? Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 2:44:11Speaker 02

  Does anybody know where? Does he always do it in the same city?

• 2:44:13Joe Rogan?

  I think he's in the Dallas area.

• 2:44:15Speaker 05

  How fun.

• 2:44:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, well, not good if he kills somebody. But it's, uh, very spooky.

• 2:44:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's nuts, man. Because this fucking dude, uh, really knows how to drive too. And you see these poor cops and one of them, the cops wipe out, they slam into another car. I think they're trying to pass by these cones and the road cuts off and the cop hits the cones then loses control of his car and slams into another car. So like, people can fucking die. Especially if he runs a red light and he runs a lot of them. And someone's being an idiot. Maybe someone's doing exactly what he's doing while he's running the red light.

• 2:44:53Speaker 05

  Dude, you have to see what Kanye is doing right now. It's a, it's a historical moment in all of art. It's unbelievable.

• 2:44:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you said that he's standing on the globe, right?

• 2:45:01Speaker 05

  Well, not only that. He, the entire everything. Is a super production and it's all him like you could tell he's made every decision and tweaked everything to the to the color of everything to when it happens to how it happens that it's not too much. He's not overwhelming the senses with lasers and lights and all of this. It's all so strategic, but most importantly, it's first of all, it's the fucking greatest production I've ever seen of anything. And I come from Pink Floyd land where the live show has to be ahead of its time and state of the art and everything for my mind to be blown. And I was expecting this to be like every other rap concert that I've seen, which is going to be

• 2:45:44Speaker 05

  fun and good and maybe great. Of course, it'll be great, but this was like a thousand times my expectations because first of all, he's doing pop up shows at stadiums, which is crazy. He announces it a week or two in advance and the stadium's like, okay, we're sitting empty that night. We'd love to sell beer and water and get a percentage of merch, right? How these venues work? They don't give a fuck. And he's not promoting it. Everyone else that's been to one or seen one is promoting it. And then the mayor of whatever city or whatever leftist person, whether it be the governor of that state or whatever is like, this shouldn't be happening. So they're promoting it for him and it's filled to the top of the fucking stadium,

• 2:46:28Speaker 05

  whereas even Pink Floyd or the Rolling Stones or whoever announces a tour all at once and goes, hey, buy tickets. I'm on tour. Pretty please come, right? He's just like San Antonio, July 4th.

• 2:46:40Joe Rogan?

  Boom.

• 2:46:40Speaker 05

  A week ago, literally. And what's crazy is that my buddy

• 2:46:46Speaker 05

  got me tickets to go see him in Tampa because as all we knew is that he was going to Tampa. And so there, there I was and I'm looking and it's filled to the top and the floor is filled. And it's, he doesn't stop. He doesn't take a break.

• 2:47:03Joe Rogan?

  There it is.

• 2:47:03Speaker 05

  I saw that on Instagram after his first one that he did. I think it was in LA and I'm like, oh, that's crazy. I need to see this.

• 2:47:11Joe Rogan?

  That is nuts. That stage is nuts.

• 2:47:13Speaker 05

  But these pictures and videos do not do any justice to what is happening. Sound wise, energy wise.

• 2:47:21Joe Rogan?

  Just that stage alone is fucking insane.

• 2:47:24Speaker 05

  It's crazy. And he enters at the, he walks through the crowd because obviously it's in the round. He comes out and you hear a pop from one side because they can kind of see him. And then the globe turns on and you know, he waits until it's dark. So he is, he enters at one point and then inside is a, a, um, a, a lift that only takes him. So like, there's no one that can storm that stage or anything because it's inflatable on the outside. So it's an impossible, impossible to, you know, storm the stage or anything like that. And he's the only one that has access to the lift, obviously. And he has a tether that he's attached to so that he doesn't go off or anything.

• 2:48:09Joe Rogan?

  So he doesn't fall into the balloon?

• 2:48:11Speaker 05

  Exactly. And it is the most diabolical show I've ever seen in my entire life, ever. And that includes all the fucking everythings. And again, I come from the school of Pink Floyd, which is always 10, 20 years ahead of its time, production wise. And this was fucking nuts because he does not stop. He does not take a break. He doesn't go, thank you guys for coming out until the very end in which he goes, it's all about love. I love you guys. Thanks for sticking with me all these years when all these people said this. And then by that point, two and a half hours in, when he's saying that, you're just like, you gotta be fucking kidding me.

• 2:48:47Joe Rogan?

  When we realize the bulk of his work, how many bangers that guy has.

• 2:48:51Speaker 05

  It's nuts, dude.

• 2:48:53Joe Rogan?

  Bangers.

• 2:48:54Speaker 05

  And I, as an experiment, took my one buddy who said that, uh, you know, part of the group was my one friend who has always been like, I don't know, you fucking love Kanye. I mean, not really my thing, but he's not, he's just not really a rap fan is the reality. So I invited him on this trip and his mind was fucking, now he's a diehard Kanye fan. Now he's going back and, you know, realizing that he's always been a Kanye fan. Like it's such a crazy fucking thing because not only does he have hits on hits on hits. But he does not stop in between songs because some of his beats kind of correlate

• 2:49:33Speaker 05

  or this and that. He'll literally just keep going and going and going until his amazing, on his new album, he has this keyboardist with one of those like crazy blow into tube instrument things. I don't know what it's called. But he has a solo, a big one, on one of the songs, which is, gives Kanye a minute and a half to catch his breath, an hour and a half into non-stop going. And also, on top of all that, you know, a rap concert's a rap concert. Kanye's the greatest producer of all time in that industry. So every noise that's happening, even if he's not talking or, or singing or rapping into

• 2:50:17Speaker 05

  a microphone, is all him and him only. You know what I mean? Like, he might get an idea or an inspiration, as we've talked about, or he's a master of sampling, um, old hit songs and having them be in the backbone of the thing and everything. But this is, it's just a whole nother level of absolute insanity. Like, I thought I was gonna go there and be like, "Yeah, and maybe, you know, move a little bit or sing along or whatever." And instead, my jaw was dropped the entire time.

• 2:50:46Joe Rogan?

  Is there anybody that ever bounced back from being canceled like him?

• 2:50:49Speaker 05

  And that's really the underlying thing. There's this feeling of loyalty that's there. And we're right. You know what I mean? There's a feeling that everybody there is like, they're correct. Does that make sense?

• 2:51:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:05Speaker 05

  I saw a breakdown of it, because my algorithm's feeding me Kanye stuff non-stop since I went to it, because somehow fucking Instagram knows and whatever. And I watched a breakdown of it, talking about how, like, it's like this psychiatrist or energy specialist or something that's talking about how and why this is the craziest concert ever done before. And she breaks it down and goes, "People that like Kanye believe in themselves. Because if Kanye's saying, 'I'm the greatest, I'm the man, I'm a god,' all of these things makes you not like him and you insecure, you're insecure." Does that make sense? Like,

• 2:51:48Speaker 05

  it's like, he, if, if that turns you off to somebody, then you don't really like yourself that much.

• 2:51:54Joe Rogan?

  Why do you think that?

• 2:51:56Speaker 05

  Well, again, this was someone else's psychological breakdown of it, and I'm probably not explaining it correct, because I was stoned on a couch.

• 2:52:02Joe Rogan?

  I see what they were saying to try to defend him, but there's some people that just get turned off by that kind of braggadocious rap music. I don't.

• 2:52:13Speaker 05

  Right.

• 2:52:13Joe Rogan?

  I love that shit.

• 2:52:14Speaker 05

  Well.

• 2:52:15Joe Rogan?

  I love 90s hip-hop, talking about how great they are. I love it.

• 2:52:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:52:21Joe Rogan?

  I'm a giant fan of that shit.

• 2:52:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:52:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, I think, like, some of my favorite rap lyrics, like, some of Nas' lyrics, just him talking about how he's the shit.

• 2:52:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, totally.

• 2:52:31Joe Rogan?

  I don't mind it at all, but it's like, it's when you're singing along to that stuff, and you're listening to that stuff, like, you're feeling what that guy's feeling when he's saying it. And if his raps are hit, if his rhymes are really hitting, especially like Kanye or any of the greats, you know, Biggie, Tupac, Nas, like, when they're nailed, it's like, ooh!

• 2:52:52Speaker 05

  Oh, my god.

• 2:52:53Joe Rogan?

  Ooh!

• 2:52:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:52:54Joe Rogan?

  Ooh! With good lyrics and good execution, it's a fucking amazing art form, even if USA really did create it.

• 2:53:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:53:03Joe Rogan?

  I don't, I don't want to believe that. You know, I think they probably very, they promoted it. What's really interesting is the lack of big rock and roll bands. I know Jamie's kind of defended this, but I think it's a fact.

• 2:53:16Speaker 05

  Oh, no, no doubt.

• 2:53:18Joe Rogan?

  There's less big rock and roll bands than when we were a kid. When we were a kid, rock and roll was everything. It was like rock and roll, and if you liked rock and rap, like, you were a weirdo, you know?

• 2:53:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:53:28Joe Rogan?

  Like, I really became a rap fan, like, almost like silently, like secretly.

• 2:53:36Joe Rogan?

  Because you had to be a rock fan. If you, if you loved rock music and you went to rock concerts, like, that's all you liked. But I was like, yeah, but this is good, too.

• 2:53:44Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:53:44Joe Rogan?

  You know, I'd like, listen to Ghetto Boys. I'd be like, you gotta listen to this. Come listen to this. Shit is awesome.

• 2:53:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. Oh, my range is absolutely ridiculous.

• 2:53:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, our green room.

• 2:53:54Speaker 05

  I just got Roy Orbison on vinyl.

• 2:53:56Joe Rogan?

  Ooh! Oh, yeah. Pretty woman.

• 2:53:59Speaker 05

  Oh, my god.

• 2:54:00Joe Rogan?

  Walking down.

• 2:54:00Speaker 05

  And again, that's one.

• 2:54:01Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna be trouble for that? Probably. Fuck! Fuck.

• 2:54:07Speaker 05

  And again, Pretty Woman, much like Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here is like one of my, when you get into their radio stuff, it's kind of funny how some bands and musicians get like typecasted by their hit. Whereas like Pretty Woman's kind of repetitive and easy, even though it's a jam, right?

• 2:54:24Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:54:25Speaker 05

  But his other songs, that like I hadn't even heard before, because I'm like, this guy seems like he has some fucking, some hits, and he does, man. And, uh, you know, I, what I mean by the Pink Floyd thing is it always fascinated me that people go, ah, yeah, I like Pink Floyd, Wish You Were Here, Another Brick on the Wall, and it's like, damn it. It's because those are their radio songs, because they can't play an 11-minute-long Shine On You Crazy Diamond, or all their real hits, that their real echoes, which is like 17 minutes, and it goes slow and fast and, and bluesy and then jazzy and this and that.

• 2:55:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there were so many songs like that, especially from like the 70s, where they just took wild chances and had long-ass songs. Like famously Free Bird, like record executives were telling them, like, the beginning of it is too slow.

• 2:55:15Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:55:16Joe Rogan?

  And they're like, nope, this is the song.

• 2:55:18Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 2:55:19Joe Rogan?

  This is what it is.

• 2:55:20Speaker 05

  Bohemian Rhapsody.

• 2:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Yep, there's another one, yeah. Whole Lot of Love.

• 2:55:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:55:25Joe Rogan?

  Whole Lot of Love has a minute and a half of fuck sounds.

• 2:55:28Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:55:28Joe Rogan?

  Ah, ah, ah, ah, and cymbals and shit, it's weird.

• 2:55:33Speaker 05

  I only recently got to see the, uh, the Queen movie, whatever that is. Is that Bohemian Rhapsody?

• 2:55:39Joe Rogan?

  I believe so.

• 2:55:40Speaker 05

  Whatever they call it.

• 2:55:40Joe Rogan?

  I haven't seen it.

• 2:55:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, I walked in on a part where it's the rec, they're at the record executive's office, and he's going, this can't be the main single off of this thing. And, and Freddie Mercury's like, dude, it fucking has, and I'm obviously not quoting this, but-

• 2:55:59Speaker 05

  And the record exec's like, "Man, you're saying gibberish at points. It's slow with a piano, you're saying things that don't even make sense, and it's fucking eight minutes long. Like, what are you thinking?" And they're arguing back and forth and back and forth. And his bass player, guitarist, or one of the guys that's in the meeting with this record exec sitting behind a big fancy desk, points at the wall and goes, "So you were the record exec that made this, huh?" And he points at Dark Side of the Moon. And you see the record exec go, "Oh, fuck." Because what the fuck was that? It starts with a heartbeat, has no words for the first whatever long.

• 2:56:39Joe Rogan?

  Also, what is the deal with it aligning with The Wizard of Oz?

• 2:56:42Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 2:56:43Joe Rogan?

  Roger says it's just coincidental.

• 2:56:46Speaker 05

  I know.

• 2:56:47Joe Rogan?

  But it seems like the universe organized it.

• 2:56:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:56:50Joe Rogan?

  It almost seems like evidence of the simulation.

• 2:56:52Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:56:53Joe Rogan?

  Because it's so good. The way it lines up.

• 2:56:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:56:56Joe Rogan?

  It's too good.

• 2:56:57Speaker 05

  I've always said it's the craziest coincidence of all time.

• 2:57:00Joe Rogan?

  I feel like it's evidence of the simulation. There's something about it. There's evidence of like some weird bizarre synchronicity between those two pieces of art.

• 2:57:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, the producing that would have been near impossible.

• 2:57:11Joe Rogan?

  Impossible.

• 2:57:12Speaker 02

  Not like you couldn't, but just the amount of planning and figuring things out.

• 2:57:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:57:16Speaker 02

  Technology then would have been so hard to do.

• 2:57:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so hard. Pink Floyd would have had to, they would have literally have to watch it and then go over each beat and decide.

• 2:57:27Speaker 02

  How high was the person that figured it out to?

• 2:57:29Joe Rogan?

  Uh, right.

• 2:57:30Speaker 02

  It's got to discuss, but like, how do you know this? Hold on, it's still going. It's 45 minutes.

• 2:57:36Joe Rogan?

  But meanwhile, it's perfect. Like, we've watched it before. It's perfect.

• 2:57:41Speaker 05

  The lyrics are the scariest part.

• 2:57:43Joe Rogan?

  God.

• 2:57:44Speaker 05

  Which one is which?

• 2:57:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:57:46Speaker 05

  At one point, when, only when, the only moment when both the good witch and the bad witch are there?

• 2:57:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's nuts.

• 2:57:53Speaker 05

  And the wildest one to me is always when she's balancing on the thing, you know, in black and white and with the other farmers around and on the run that crazy blablablablabla starts and she falls off at that exact moment and chaos is happening. It's crazy.

• 2:58:10Speaker 02

  Is there a why in that conspiracy? You know, like, why would they have done that? Just to do it?

• 2:58:15Joe Rogan?

  Just for funsies. Cause they were Pink Floyd. Yeah.

• 2:58:19Speaker 02

  There's a lot of them as you could have picked.

• 2:58:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, Roger Waters says it was an accident.

• 2:58:23Speaker 02

  I know, I'm just saying, like.

• 2:58:24Joe Rogan?

  I know, I know, but the conspiracy theories. I don't know. I mean, I would imagine they think that I brought, the people that believed that it was some sort of a coordinated conspiracy. It's like, why wouldn't they say that? Why wouldn't they just say, "We lined it up with..."

• 2:58:39Speaker 02

  That'd be awesome.

• 2:58:40Joe Rogan?

  "The Wizard of Oz." Yeah, if they said that, it would make more people watch it and more people listen.

• 2:58:45Speaker 05

  Well, they did pretty good off of that.

• 2:58:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they did pretty good. Who are we to give them advice?

• 2:58:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:58:50Joe Rogan?

  Speaking of doing pretty good, you're fucking killing it, dude. Congratulations.

• 2:58:53Speaker 05

  Thank you, buddy.

• 2:58:54Joe Rogan?

  It's awesome watching it all.

• 2:58:55Speaker 05

  Thank you, man.

• 2:58:56Joe Rogan?

  You're taking all the hits. You keep on moving, keep on trucking, just makes it stronger.

• 2:59:00Speaker 05

  Onto the next one.

• 2:59:00Joe Rogan?

  Makes the jokes better. New jokes are killing it.

• 2:59:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:59:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fun. We're having a good time.

• 2:59:05Speaker 05

  Yeah. Tuesdays and Wednesdays are the best, working them out at the mothership.

• 2:59:08Joe Rogan?

  Yes, sir. All right. I appreciate you, brother.

• 2:59:10Speaker 05

  Thank you, man. Hell, yeah.

• 2:59:12Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.