#2443 - Filippo Biondi

Filippo Biondi, PhD is an engineer and signal processing researcher who was part of a team that discovered unusual signal patterns beneath Egypt’s Giza Pyramid complex using advanced radar imaging technology. www.harmonicsar.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  How are you, sir?

• 0:13Speaker 02

  Fine, thank you.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Thank you very much for being here. I'm really excited to talk to you. Obviously, there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because of your work. We should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about. You are the man that was at the head of this research that is looking at structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid. And incredibly controversial, very fascinating, and if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all of human history.

• 0:46Speaker 02

  Yes. Thank you for this invitation. And yes, the group is composed by Corrado Malanga, which is the head of the group and dean professor of chemistry at University of Pisa.

• 1:01Joe Rogan?

  Could you explain your background, please, so people would understand?

• 1:04Speaker 02

  Yes, my background is this. I am a telecommunications engineering. I graduate at the university.

• 1:11Joe Rogan?

  What is that word again? Say it again?

• 1:12Speaker 02

  Telecommunications engineering.

• 1:13Joe Rogan?

  Telecommunications engineering, okay. It's like, your English is excellent, but your Italian accent, although fabulous, sometimes it's difficult to translate.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  Thank you very much, Joe. I'm sorry, yes, that I'm not the mother tongue of English.

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  It's still much better than my Italian.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Okay, thank you. Yes, I graduated myself in university, at the University of Lecce, south of Italy. Very nice university. And it was, it is, has the name of a famous mathematic Italian, which is Ennio de Giorgi. Ennio de Giorgi.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  Was living in the era than John Nash was living also. And they were, they were one against to the other. And they were, they was both studying the nineteen Hilbert problem. And Ennio de Giorgi solved this problem one week before John Nash.

• 2:20Joe Rogan?

  Ah, interesting. John Nash, who from the famous movie Brilliant Mind, Russell Crowe.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  And so then I performed my PhD at La Sapienza in Rome. And now I'm here.

• 2:35Joe Rogan?

  And how did you get involved in this, this discovery?

• 2:39Speaker 02

  Yes. I worked on radar and synthetic radar for a lot of time.

• 2:48Joe Rogan?

  For the Italian military, right? Some work.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 2:51Joe Rogan?

  Which you can't really talk about.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:54Speaker 02

  And I was involved in some research where, together with the Italian research conceal of Bari, always south of Italy,

• 3:12Speaker 02

  we was testing some special processing that were able, were able to, to, to perform something special. And so this is.

• 3:22Joe Rogan?

  So this top secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you to try this stuff out, try this technology out. And this is satellite based technology, correct?

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 3:34Joe Rogan?

  And it's a radiotomography?

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Yes, it is something, in my personal opinion, very simple. The radar is installed on board on the satellite. The satellite flies at, in the space at a distance of six hundred kilometers at seven kilometers per second in velocity. So while it flies along the orbit, it is able to catch snapshots of the earth.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  The snapshots has to be focused. And this focusing procedure, let's say it in the Azimut, I take it easy, in the Azimut direction, is done by sound, by the processing of sound, because it is involved at the so-called Doppler frequency. You know, Joe, when you hear noises that are approaching to you, this noise will raise the frequency, because the target has a velocity, a positive velocity with respect to you. And so the frequency is raised up. And this procedure allow us to estimate or to grab, let's say, the vibration information

• 4:51Speaker 02

  that is always present at the surface of the earth, in terms of evanescent waves that are present on the surface of the earth. So this vibration, which is mechanical vibration, carries inside of this the information that is located underground. And so we did this.

• 5:13Joe Rogan?

  And was it a specific idea, was it the idea specifically to look under the pyramids? Or was it something that was discovered accidentally?

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Okay, yes. Once we discovered this method, it was a coincidence that I knew Corrado Malanga. And at that time, I speak, I am, we are in 2018, he was studying the pyramids. And so we were talking about something that if there was some methods able to scan inside the pyramids, because he needed some information to conclude the research that he was doing. And so I proposed him to use my technique. And we started to work together.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  And so we focused in that time on the pyramids.

• 6:10Joe Rogan?

  And when was this, when was the first scans?

• 6:16Speaker 02

  Uh, yes, in two thousand nineteen.

• 6:19Joe Rogan?

  In two thousand nineteen.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:20Joe Rogan?

  And when you got the data back, did you immediately get the data that you're showing today, where you see the columns with the coils around it?

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Okay. Uh, in, let's say that this research is, can be divided by two. The first one, one point zero, uh, we were concentrating research on the Khun, Khunum Khufu Pyramid, the Khufu Pyramid, to watch inside the pyramid. And so we have, uh, detailed, tailored our processing to watch only inside the pyramids. Because, that pyramid, only one pyramid. Because we were, uh, doing that kind of research. Then, once we, uh, discovered things in twenty twenty, we published a peer review paper and we gave, uh, public the results that we found

• 7:12Speaker 02

  in, inside the Khunum Khufu Pyramid. We decided to expand our, um, research in all the, the Jiza Plateau.

• 7:22Joe Rogan?

  Ken, I saw you there. The, when you looked into, so we know quite a bit about the Khufu Pyramid and what the chambers are inside of it. Did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist?

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Absolutely, yes. Because we have detected this multi-layered structure that is inside the Khunum Khufu Pyramid, the so-called Z. We have discovered it, uh, uh, very well from the space and it is located inside the pyramid. And also we discovered that they knew, we, no, we discovered it, we, we, um, uh, we gave an image also of the other known structures like the Grand, the Grand Gallery.

• 8:07Joe Rogan?

  The Grand Gallery.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  The Grand Gallery. And then also the Queen's Chamber and the King's Chamber also, so.

• 8:16Joe Rogan?

  And accurate in terms of size and dimension?

• 8:19Speaker 02

  And also position and location.

• 8:22Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So when did you decide to focus below the pyramid?

• 8:27Speaker 02

  Yes. Uh, we decided to focus below the pyramid, uh, because we, uh, we were, our intention was to expand our, um, research.

• 8:39Speaker 02

  And then also thanks to the third component of the research group, which is Armando May, he suggests us to expand our research and scan all the Giza Plateau.

• 8:52Joe Rogan?

  And so what what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around it and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid?

• 9:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

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• 11:17Speaker 02

  In the second part of our research, we started focusing our scans on the Kafra Pyramid and like Khun Kufu. And then we adjust our algorithms to go deeper. And so when we did this, very nice things began to appear on our results.

• 11:45Joe Rogan?

  What did you feel when you first saw those images? That do appear to be immense columns. I believe they're, the diameter's 20 meters?

• 11:57Speaker 02

  20 meters.

• 11:58Joe Rogan?

  So they're huge, enormous columns?

• 12:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 12:01Joe Rogan?

  What went through your mind?

• 12:03Speaker 02

  Skepticism, skepticism. I told for, Otto Corrado was with me because

• 12:15Speaker 02

  we had those results for, in our desk without disclosure or anything for six months. Because my, my opinion was that was not real.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  I uh I did I was thinking that maybe it was noise or some artifacts due by our processing procedures.

• 12:43Joe Rogan?

  Did it give you pause at all that they were so uniform? That these columns were in very specific places? And that they lined up? There was a uniform gap in between them?

• 12:54Speaker 02

  Yes. And why we disclosure this? Because we started to use also other satellites. And once we, at the beginning, we were using only the Italian satellite system. That is, it is Cosmos Kimed and Cosmos Kimed second generation. It's very good, very precise. But we wanted to shift our research using also other satellites. Because, Joe, in research, when we have diversity, diversity is a good thing. Because it confirms other things that we were searching. We were searching confirmation.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  So once we had the same results, while we were, we was using American satellites called the Capella Space and also other satellites, having always the same results, we decided to disclosure.

• 13:51Joe Rogan?

  How many different scans have been done on this area?

• 13:55Speaker 02

  Two or three hundred, two, more than two hundred.

• 13:59Joe Rogan?

  More than two hundred? And all with uniform results?

• 14:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 14:02Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 14:04Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of resistance to this. And it's from the usual characters. And it's from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archaeological information. And unfortunately, they are not willing to approach this with an open mind. And you see this skepticism that just seems to me to be confirmation bias. They want this to not be true regardless of the sheer number of scans and the uniformity of the results of these scans. And also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things like,

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have?

• 14:51Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, we have a particle collider where I have born in Laquila, which is located in the center of Italy, at the center of Italy. There is a huge mountain called Gran Sasso, the Gran Sasso d'Italia, which is, has a maximum altitude of about 3,000 meters for being precise to 993 meters. And so there there is a tunnel, very, very long tunnel, about 11, 12 kilometers. And in the core of this mountain, there is a particle collider. There is a laboratory, let's say like that.

• 15:35Joe Rogan?

  And this technology got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that's deep in this mountain?

• 15:42Speaker 02

  Yes, at 1.4 kilometers with respect to the top.

• 15:48Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:49Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So we know it's accurate, we know it works. What do you think, I mean, other than what I said, that it's gatekeepers of archaeological information? It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramids themselves. What is, what do you think it is that is causing this resistance?

• 16:10Speaker 02

  Personally, it's true, we found a lot of resistance, yes, it's true. But personally, I don't know why. I can say something regarding to my personal opinion.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Joe, it is something that maybe is too big, too, too huge, too...

• 16:33Speaker 02

  To be disclosed like that today, I don't know why.

• 16:35Joe Rogan?

  It's confusing to people because it's it's essentially paradigm shattering. Because the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular. The Great Pyramid is two million, three hundred thousand stones. The the alignment is to perfect true now, true north, south, east and west. It's a really incredible accomplishment, whoever built it and when they built it. It's just undeniably fascinating that this was done at the the very least, two thousand five hundred B.C., probably even older than that. We really don't know. But that alone is spectacular. But then when you add the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go,

• 17:18Joe Rogan?

  we don't know anything, we really don't. We we know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative. The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb. But that doesn't make any sense because there's there's no hieroglyphs inside of it. It doesn't seem like a tomb, doesn't look like a tomb. And I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's work.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 17:40Joe Rogan?

  Which, you know, he's an engineer and he said it it appears that this thing is some sort of a mechanical thing and that it's probably designed to generate some kind of power.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, eh, yes, in this eh, in this context, I have spoke a lot with Christopher Dunn. And eh, in in eh, I like a lot his theory. And eh, it it makes sense. And eh, and so this discoveries matches a lot with his eh, with his and also to other scientists that makes make recast the eh, effective purpose of the pyramid not to to be tombs. Today we are sure, we are sure of one thing, that the pyramids are not tombs.

• 18:28Joe Rogan?

  They're not tombs. And what is truly spectacular is that if if this data is accurate, those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:41Joe Rogan?

  That's just the top. Yes. And underneath it, you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully explored. But you have data that shows that let's, let's look at the images. Let's pull up some of the images so people can see what we're talking about. Because once you see it, y- your mind just goes, okay, what are we even talking about? Like, what was this civilization? When did it exist? And what kind of technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling? But if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we're looking at something that i- i- is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  Yes, I agree with you, Joe, because what we found, it is something that is, has been confirmed by our measurements. And at the moment, I suppose that our measurements are the only, are the only data that we have, because there aren't other, other data. So, eh, what we are observing, we are, we are observing principally vertical structure. This vertical structure has a pattern, a regular pattern. And this regular pattern is constituted by a so-called spiral nature. I found this.

• 20:07Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so what are we looking at here? These are...

• 20:10Speaker 02

  This is the right one. Yes. Yeah.

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Yes, that is the Cafre Pyramid. And you see, Joe, at the top of the tomography, the tomography is on the x, so the horizontal dimension, we have the space. Okay? Space, just the range. And on the vertical, we have the depth.

• 20:33Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  On the top, we have this, eh, the, the, the pyramid, you see. You see the pyramid on the top. And while you go down, you are observing the structures that are going down. And look, you have the spiral nature of the, of the, of the structures.

• 20:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay, this is not the clearest image that I've seen. So what are, let me see some other images.

• 21:01Joe Rogan?

  Because this is just one, right?

• 21:03Speaker 03

  I know, that's what this is from his presentation and I didn't know where to get the best.

• 21:07Joe Rogan?

  Okay, back up one.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Go, go, okay, again.

• 21:14Speaker 02

  We have a lot of images here that that is recasting all the the research that we have done together.

• 21:22Joe Rogan?

  So the images that are going around online that people have seen are these 3D replicate pull-ups, some more of those? Okay, some of the images online are recreations of what is observed and what you believe this could look like underneath, correct?

• 21:42Speaker 02

  We have performed measurements and they are sound measurements that are that has been picked up from the surface of the earth by satellites, so they are very precise and they are coherent. A coherent it means that contains a lot of information, so it is characterized to have high entropy. And so when we perform the so-called tomographic inversion, we can see what there is underneath.

• 22:14Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like?

• 22:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:21Joe Rogan?

  And how are you getting that from the image that's below that?

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 22:26Joe Rogan?

  So the image is just one aspect of the data, correct?

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Yes. The image?

• 22:32Joe Rogan?

  This, this, this multicolored image.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  Okay, here we are observing inside the Kafr Pyramid. And inside the Kafr Pyramid, we are observing those structures there. The, the, those are inside the Kafr Pyramid.

• 22:51Joe Rogan?

  And the image above.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:53Joe Rogan?

  That is an artist's recreation of what you think it looks like.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:57Joe Rogan?

  Now, how did you make that determination that's what it looks like?

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  The 3D model has been retributed, not observing just only one result, but observing a lot of results. So, putting on a table all the results that we have, we were able to retribe, so to facilitate people to read our measurements. Okay, so observing the results, we were able to determine the spirals and the structures that are located, starting from the base of the Kafra Pyramid going down.

• 23:41Joe Rogan?

  I've seen other images of the scans that are more convincing than the one that's below. So, let's see if we can find some of those.

• 23:49Joe Rogan?

  What else do you have here?

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Yes, these are all images that are related to the first.

• 23:56Joe Rogan?

  So, this is just an article that's in the news.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just, I mean, I even went here.

• 24:04Joe Rogan?

  What is, like, where's a good place to get the best versions of these images? Like that right there, okay. Okay, what is this?

• 24:14Speaker 02

  Okay, here we are watching a wide area of our tomography look, and we see the structures that are going down.

• 24:22Joe Rogan?

  Yes, this is much clearer.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:25Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  And below the structure, at the end of the structures, there are huge chambers, but they are really huge, approximately having a width and a length and a height of eighty meters.

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  So, eighty meter structures that are below all of this.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:47Joe Rogan?

  So, almost the size of a football field below all this, that is some sort of a chamber.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:54Joe Rogan?

  And see if you can find some other images, Jamie. So, the coils.

• 25:02Joe Rogan?

  How did you determine that there was coils? Is it just because of the gaps that you see in the imagery? Whether they come in this uniform pattern?

• 25:11Speaker 02

  I have two or three slides on my presentation where we find the coils.

• 25:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's see if we can find those slides.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  If you go down, please. Yeah, wait a minute. Okay, okay, here. Okay, here we can observe a regular pattern. So not coils. And we go down, please. Okay, regular pattern and the coils are beginning to be seen there on the third image. Here, regular pattern, go down, please. And here, this is, in my personal opinion, the fourth image from the left to the right, the fifth image, one, two, three, four, the fourth image, I'm sorry,

• 26:05Speaker 02

  where you have a core at the center of the coil, at the center of the structure. And then we have something that spirals down.

• 26:24Joe Rogan?

  So was anybody speculated about what this could possibly be? Like what these coils are?

• 26:30Speaker 02

  Yes. I spoke with two independent, let's say with some independent researchers and especially with Christopher Dunn. And also, I spoke also with Jeffrey that is considering also the Giza power plant like a chemical reactor or something like that. So we have on one side scientists that say, okay, it can be something related to electricity or we have something related to chemicals or other things.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  In my personal opinion, me, I can see anything, I can say anything. Because I just measured what there is there. So it is not my, how you say, my, my job to do this. My job is, okay, here we have the measurements. And now we have to see what there is inside. In my, in my personal opinion, this is the right time

• 27:44Speaker 02

  to say, okay, let's go, let's go there and see what there is.

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  Let's start digging.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, pull up some more images, please, Jeremy.

• 27:53Speaker 02

  So. Yes, this is very important, if you want, I can, I can tell you about this. Okay, because it is the very important project, research project that I am working now. And it is something that if could be possible, we can go there. And without digging anything, we can go below. Why? Because belonging between the Sphinx and the Kafr Pyramid, there are some shafts. And there, there are the photos of the shafts where we can go

• 28:32Speaker 02

  in situ and we can physically go there and see and watch those shafts. Currently, the shafts are blocked by debris. And there is also rubbish inside. So we, I performed, I performed a lot of scans at, at those shafts. And you see, Joe, the shaft, the, the shaft goes down, down, down, down. And they reach chambers that are below.

• 29:05Joe Rogan?

  And that is the Doppler tomography readings?

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 29:08Joe Rogan?

  So these shafts go down, how far do they go down?

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Yes, they go down approximately 600 meters.

• 29:15Joe Rogan?

  600 meters, wow.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 29:18Joe Rogan?

  So 600 meters down and then they reach a chamber?

• 29:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 29:22Joe Rogan?

  What is the conventional explanation for these shafts? Is there one?

• 29:27Joe Rogan?

  Like what is, what do current archaeologists, what is academia, what do they think these things are? Leave that right there for a second.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Yes, this is the complete 3D model that me and Corrado did and so to observe all the structures that we have find, that we found, evaluating the tomographies that we have done on the Giza Plateau.

• 29:55Joe Rogan?

  So it's not just under the Great Pyramid, it's under all three pyramids?

• 29:59Speaker 02

  And also the Sphinx.

• 30:00Joe Rogan?

  And also the Sphinx?

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:02Joe Rogan?

  And they all seem to go, do they go down to a uniform depth?

• 30:06Speaker 02

  We found at the moment, the same depth, yes.

• 30:11Joe Rogan?

  And they all have chambers at the bottom?

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Yes, absolutely, yes. And that's the, in my best, the next thing that we are dealing. At the end of the structures of these tubes that are going down, there are huge chambers.

• 30:32Joe Rogan?

  How huge?

• 30:34Speaker 02

  As I told you before, 80 meters times 80 meters and times 80 meters of height.

• 30:41Joe Rogan?

  And that's uniform underneath all the pyramids?

• 30:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:44Joe Rogan?

  The same dimensions?

• 30:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:46Joe Rogan?

  Wow. When you look at it like this, when you see your 3D recreation of the site, it's stunning.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:54Joe Rogan?

  Because it just, it just makes you think like, what is this? I mean, I can understand the skepticism and I can understand the resistance to this that modern academics have, because this throws a giant monkey wrench into everything. This makes everything we know about that area thrown into question. Because if this is true, like I said, this, this rewrites history, because you're dealing with an advanced civilization that is demonstrably more advanced than us.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  Yes, because they were able to

• 31:36Speaker 02

  to build very precise things, but not at the surface of the earth below.

• 31:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, they even built a lot of precise things that confuse us like. One of the things that Christopher Dunn gave me is this. It's the recreation of the vase of one of the many vases that they have that is accurate in its, the way it was made. Down to, God, what was the number, a thousandth of a human hair or something crazy like that? Like, much less than a human hair in the diameter, in the uniformity of it. And the fact that it was carved that is incredibly hard stone at a time where there was no metal alloys. They, you know, they supposedly had copper tools. No one understands it. No one knows how they did it. And it has handles on it, so it couldn't even been turned on a lathe.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Yes, and also if we go inside the pyramids, inside and also outside the pyramids, we can observe that the measurements are very precise. The chambers are constituted by flat walls. We don't have inscriptions. And the dimensions are all related to the constants, to the major constants of the universe.

• 32:57Joe Rogan?

  Right, they're all aligned to the constellations. There's a lot of like, very strange calculations that they were able to make. Like pathways where the sun during the solar equinox passes right through. It's a fascinating place.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 33:13Joe Rogan?

  But when you started acquiring this data and you started accumulating it and then started going over it with experts, what did that feel like to you? When you're, when you're realizing, oh, this is real?

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 33:30Speaker 02

  It was something that was very, very nice for me because.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  Because when we discuss, the thing was, I was saying always to Corrado, Corrado, shall we disclose this or not? I think for now not, for now not, but then the results were always the same. So we decided to disclose this.

• 34:00Joe Rogan?

  How long did you sit on it before you decided to disclose it?

• 34:03Speaker 02

  One year.

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  One year, so for that one year, how conflicted were you? You must have been walking around like I have the biggest secret on earth.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  How weird was that?

• 34:15Speaker 02

  Only to pass on you.

• 34:17Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. That's crazy. Two people having one of the biggest secrets on earth. That's backed by data. I mean, it's not, it's not even like, you know, someone told you something. Like you have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that indicates that there's these paradigm shifting structures.

• 34:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I tell you, Joe, I, I would like to go there and see what there is in person.

• 34:51Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Because it's, it's now time, I think.

• 34:54Joe Rogan?

  Is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area? Or are they fascinated by it?

• 35:01Speaker 02

  I tell you, Joe, I didn't find a lot of resistance. There is, I found a lot of resistance in the internet, yes. A lot of the banking, a lot of people that know it's not true, it's not true. A lot of people that continues, were continuing to say, no radar can penetrate the earth for one kilometer. And they didn't know, or they, they purposely not saying this, that we are not penetrating anything. Because we are just grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the earth. And with, with, with that information, we are retrieving tomographies. It's something new that I invented, but it works.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Because we have benchmarks that demonstrates the effectiveness of the method. And it's, this is hundred percent.

• 35:52Joe Rogan?

  And there's also been some criticism that the patents have expired, but that's because you have new patents on better stuff.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Yes, now, Joe, I am under NDA, so I, we just, I think I can say something about the second patent, because just yesterday, we filed the patent in USA.

• 36:11Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 36:12Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Have any academics reached out to you in support that are interested in this and would like to explore this further?

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  I tell you this, there are companies related to mining and crude oil extraction, and then also water. Joe, today, we are living a particular time because water is very important. We are in a so-called water emergency in all the world. So, for me, the first thing that we have to do is to scan the earth and to fetch, to find, to try and find other, let's say, opportunity to extract not salty water, because it's very important.

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• 38:55Joe Rogan?

  So you'll be using this technology for that as well?

• 38:57Speaker 02

  For now, not, but I'm thinking to do it.

• 39:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, it makes sense. I mean, if it can detect this, it should be able to detect that as well. And that will be, and also if it's accurate, that'll also help garner support for this exploration of whatever is under there.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so we are receiving a lot of calls from companies that want to work with me, and so let's see what we can do.

• 39:26Joe Rogan?

  And so this is all companies that have reached out after you released the results underneath the pyramids?

• 39:33Speaker 02

  The most of them are calling me recently.

• 39:36Joe Rogan?

  Right, so they've heard about it?

• 39:38Speaker 02

  Relatively recently, yes.

• 39:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's capitalism, right? They say, "Oh, we can make money off of this."

• 39:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, that's good. That gets people interested. It gets people involved in this.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  And so we have also a philanthropic project. We are opening a foundation in Malta. We are realizing it in 2 weeks, and we will have a foundation in Malta. And with that foundation, we can operate also philanthropically for the Jisap Plateau and other ancient megalithics that are located in all the world. We have a plan to scan everything.

• 40:18Joe Rogan?

  Really? What is next?

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Uh, maybe we can see Pumapunko or other.

• 40:25Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, yeah, yeah. Go Beckley Tape.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Go Beckley Tape, yes.

• 40:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Have you looked at the labyrinth underneath, uh, the, the ones that were described by Herodotus that Ben Van Kirkwick has been talking about on his Uncharted X channel? Where there is a, a huge atrium with a forty meter metallic object that's the shape of a Tic Tac in there?

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Yes, they asked me to do it and we will do it.

• 40:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you have to do that.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  I, I tell you, Joe, the processing is very nice, but requests a lot of calculations. So it is time consuming. So at the moment, at the moment, uh, we have some computers that are dedicated on Jitsa and other projects that we are doing. And in the future, maybe we will have other, uh, other machines that can work to, to do other things. But we will do it. We, we need time, but we will do it.

• 41:26Joe Rogan?

  Now, are you absolutely convinced that this data is accurate? Or have any of the criticisms of any of the people that are trying to debunk it? Have, has any of that resonated with you and rang true? Is there, is there any validity to any of the criticisms?

• 41:41Speaker 02

  Uh, radar is only precise. The nice thing that has radar is the precision. From, and especially from space. Because space, it is a very silent environment. You don't have noise, something, the, the platform is very stable. So when you transmit electromagnetic waves, they return back with absolutely precise, with absolute precision.

• 42:07Joe Rogan?

  And it's recreated over and over again in these two hundred plus scans that you've done? With various different satellites, correct? Not just one, so that one could have errors? So you're convinced?

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm convinced, hundred percent because.

• 42:20Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 42:21Speaker 02

  I did the, I invented the method, yes, I know. But I tell you that I, I am happy if somebody can replicate things. So if other research groups can replicate the things that I'm showing, I am happy.

• 42:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, you got there first, so no matter what.

• 42:43Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you, if this is correct, you will go down in history as one of the most important figures in archaeology, because if you are...

• 42:51Speaker 02

  Thank you, Joe.

• 42:53Joe Rogan?

  You're welcome, but it's just fact. If what you're saying is true, and we're just recently discovering this in the 21st century, I mean, that's absolutely mind-bending.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  Thank you for this. Yes, I am happy for, for being in this, but not only me, other people helping me to do my work, yes.

• 43:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure, of course, a lot of people.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  And in principle, my family.

• 43:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. This, these structures and this, this whole area, if this turns out to be something that you don't find just at the Giza Plateau, but around other parts of Egypt, I mean, there's always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in Sub-Saharan Africa, an advanced civilization, and the area is now sand, you could probably do that same sort of research there as well.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  Yes, I agree with this, and we will do it, yes.

• 43:52Joe Rogan?

  Wow. What is life like for you now, having this exposed, and now, you know, having this on the internet and all of this speculation and all this excitement, what has that been like for you?

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Yes, I am not very used on all this exposure in, on the internet. It is something that I have to get used of this, yes. My, my life is simple, Joe. I live in Italy, and, but, now, I repeat this, it is time to go ahead and go on the Giza Plateau, and in person, I wish to see the effective structure, how they are, and

• 44:49Speaker 02

  the purpose of the, of all the plateau, what it is.

• 44:52Joe Rogan?

  And is there plans to do that in person, to do some sort of excavation?

• 44:57Speaker 02

  Yes. I wrote a project proposal, which is research, and also not research, a proposal, and is now...

• 45:12Speaker 02

  We are, uh, our intention is to submit this proposal at the Egyptian authorities.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  If you want, I can explain you this proposal.

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  Please.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  Uh, we are involving University of Ferrara, uh, a principal scientist, Professor Esa Vacaro, uh, Italian professor in, she's a geologist. Uh, and other, uh, and other governmental, Italian governmental, uh, institutions that are very clever to do scans, in situ scans. So, we are not using my, my technique. We use the state of the art technique that it is recognized by science today. And, uh, our, uh, intention is to,

• 46:10Speaker 02

  uh, concentrate the efforts on those shafts that I, that I showed you, that we, we have seen. Because we are, we are not ninety, ninety-nine percent convinced that, or sure, that those, those are natural entrance into the, the, uh, the structures that are below, that are located below. Because we have the vertical structures and you saw on the, on the tomographies, you have also horizontal connections.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  So there's corridors.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  Yes, you have.

• 46:44Joe Rogan?

  And how large are these corridors?

• 46:46Speaker 02

  Uh, about, uh, they, they are tall, about three meters tall.

• 46:52Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so about nine feet tall?

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, that, that will, uh, we, uh, using these corridors, you, uh, will arrive directly inside the, the coils that we are, that we are, uh, uh, um, visualizing, uh, that we, we visualize, uh, before.

• 47:13Joe Rogan?

  So there's passages and shafts and these, uh, enormous ways that they can go back and forth in between these various structures.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  The thing that we have to do now is to clean those shafts. We have to do, uh, cleaning because now they are, um.

• 47:31Joe Rogan?

  Sand, debris. Yeah, and, um.

• 47:37Joe Rogan?

  Is there a timeline on when you would like to start cleaning these shafts and start doing this kind of stuff?

• 47:42Speaker 02

  Yes, it depends when we submit the project. The project is ready. I know people that are living in Egypt that when we are ready, we can submit the project proposal. Then we are, we are at, when the government, if approve the project, we can start.

• 48:04Joe Rogan?

  Now, I would imagine that something like this, something at this scale would require enormous funding.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:10Joe Rogan?

  And how do you, how do you hope to acquire that?

• 48:14Speaker 02

  We, we can make, we can say people that this, this work is not for me, but it's for humans. And so people, we, we, we ask people to help us in getting money to perform the work. We have to ask people.

• 48:37Joe Rogan?

  Have you reached out to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type people that have tons of money that might be interested in doing something like this?

• 48:44Speaker 02

  I don't know them, Joe.

• 48:45Joe Rogan?

  You don't know them?

• 48:46Speaker 02

  No, but maybe.

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  It's a big ask.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:50Joe Rogan?

  It's a big ask, you know, asking.

• 48:52Speaker 02

  It's a big ask, yes.

• 48:53Joe Rogan?

  A few billion dollars to go dig around under the pyramids. I mean, how much money do you think it costs to, to do this?

• 48:59Speaker 02

  To do, we, we, we have to do, we did, we did an estimation of the, an estimation about, I don't know, for maybe, maybe belonging for 20 millions or, or more.

• 49:13Joe Rogan?

  20 million dollars?

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Yes, 20 million dollars.

• 49:15Joe Rogan?

  And this is just to clean the shaft and go underneath it?

• 49:18Speaker 02

  And because, why so much money? Because we are, our intention is to work safety. I don't want that people has to go down the shaft and work. We will, we want to use drones, robots to, to make something automatically and so go down by using machines, not humans.

• 49:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and that way you can get accurate, real time video and.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 49:45Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  With cameras and it, it will be something, I am thinking about this.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  The most, maybe it is one of the most ancient megalithic structure that we are dealing now can be recovered by the most modern technology that we have now today. And so we can recover it, modern and ancient together.

• 50:08Joe Rogan?

  So you've been giving this presentation now?

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  And you've been going around, what has that been like? What has the reception of it been like?

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Yes, a moderate positive reception.

• 50:20Joe Rogan?

  Moderate positive? So people that are like, if this is true, it's amazing, but you have to show me more.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  I tell you, in this project proposal, I am out.

• 50:33Joe Rogan?

  You're out?

• 50:33Speaker 02

  Yes. It is better than that University of Ferrara, that is one of the most important universities in Italy, can stay there and manage all the work, is better.

• 50:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  And I am out.

• 50:48Joe Rogan?

  Right, you showed them what's there, you showed them the technology, now, good luck.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 50:55Joe Rogan?

  Thank you, thank you and good luck. So tell me about this presentation, so how do you set this up? I know you brought some of the slides of this presentation.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  Tell me how you set this up.

• 51:05Speaker 02

  How you?

• 51:05Joe Rogan?

  How you set it up? So how you explain it to these, when you have these semi skeptical scientists that are sitting down there and you're gonna tell them, I'm about to rewrite human history. How do you set this up?

• 51:18Speaker 02

  Oh, they were, they were listening me very well and they asking me things about how they, everyone, the first thing that they ask me is how it works, and that's good. And so I slowly explain, explain them how it works and how I arrived to, to, to make this presentation, so to have our results and, and so, and so on. And they...

• 51:47Speaker 02

  They, they, someone of them is skeptical, someone a bit less skeptical.

• 51:53Joe Rogan?

  Which is what you want.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:54Joe Rogan?

  Yes, you want healthy debate about this kind of stuff.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  A healthy debate, yes.

• 51:57Joe Rogan?

  It's the only way you find out what the truth is.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Yes, only, only having a, you, a healthy debate, we can find what is the truth. I, I don't want to polarize people for me, you know, it's not my, it's not my job, no.

• 52:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only that, it's not, you're just discovering something.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:17Joe Rogan?

  This is something that's there, and for people to just put on a skeptical lens and just not look at it at all is crazy.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you're skeptical, we should probably explore it, and if you're wrong, okay, now we know it's not true. But if it is true, it's a crime to not investigate this.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  To not investigate, it's a crime to not investigate, yes. And I tell you, the, the solution to, we, we don't, we don't have to dig holes, ruin the, what is now preserved. No, we, we have to only clean enough, we have to only clean. And we have to use what there is made, it's for us, because those shafts, they are for us, they are calling us. We, our, our rights are to clean them and see what there is. And go down and explore them personally.

• 53:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, it just seems like if these shafts exist at alone, and they are at that depth that you describe, and they are the dimensions you describe, it really does lend credence to what you're saying.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:28Joe Rogan?

  Because it seems like there's a purpose for those things, and if they do go down to the area where all these structures are, it seems like there's something there.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  In my personal opinion, they were built purposely, and if you see the photos.

• 53:42Joe Rogan?

  They're access points, probably.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  Yes, they are access points. They are, they were made probably to, you know, Joe, when you go deep below the earth, the temperature rises a lot. So there is a certain ratio of where the temperature rises proportional to the depth that you are going.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  So the shafts are made purposely to take, their function is to transport air, light, and so cool what there is inside.

• 54:19Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, well, that makes sense.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:22Joe Rogan?

  And also access. Um, show me some other other slides and other things that are in your presentation so we can get a more comprehensive understanding of what we're looking at.

• 54:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 54:37Speaker 02

  Yes, this is the Z. This is, ah, Mario Pinkerle. Mario Pinkerle was a researcher, uh, that he died on two thousand eleven, twelve. And he was studying the Z, which is the multi-layer monument. Let's call it monument, but it's not a monument because it has a certain and very precise function that is inside the pyramid. This is the.

• 55:09Joe Rogan?

  And this is the outlined image in the lower left-hand corner.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the tomography that we have retrieved. Look, it's very precise.

• 55:18Joe Rogan?

  Right, it looks exactly like what it looks like in the actual image. What is that thing? What is the, what do you think the function of that thing is?

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Yes, the function is, uh, is, is this. Uh, it is, you, you see on the top of the structure, there is something.

• 55:35Joe Rogan?

  Like a cap.

• 55:36Speaker 02

  Yes, like a cap.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  Uh, that cap is, has a precise function to a- attract the vibration. Okay, it's an antenna in the, in the vibration domain. Okay?

• 55:59Joe Rogan?

  Antenna in the vibration domain.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:01Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  Attract the, the energy in terms of mechanical vibration and propagates them below. There are the slides, please. Okay, here I did a simulation. Now I'm sorry because I don't have the video because this is a PDF. But I, I, uh, reproduced the function of the Z on the computer.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 56:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 56:32Speaker 02

  And look, on the right side, we have all the vibrations that interacts one to each other to each layer, look.

• 56:42Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  And you can see that each layer, look how strange it is, each layer, on the top of each layer, it is scattered, look.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  On the top of each layer, and the bottom is very flat, it's flat. So what is that? It is something related to filter. It is a, it is a low-pass filter, made by stones. Very crazy this, that's a low-pass filter.

• 57:11Joe Rogan?

  A low-pass filter.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  What exactly is a low-pass filter?

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Yes, a low-pass filter is a filter that allow us, that allows the transmission only of certain frequencies and reject other frequencies, so it is a stabilizer, frequency stabilizer, and low-pass a certain low-value frequency.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Okay?

• 57:35Joe Rogan?

  Right. And so this aligns with Christopher Dunn's theory.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:40Joe Rogan?

  That there was something underneath the pyramid, that there was a chamber that was, they were using to generate vibration.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 57:50Joe Rogan?

  And that that vibration would go through the entire structure.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Yes, and look, Joe, the last layer, look, transmits directly inside the so-called sarcophagus, that's not a sarcophagus, there.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  And so what do you think that's what they call sarcophagus, this immense granite box?

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's call it, yes, the granite box, yes, and then inside the granite box

• 58:22Speaker 02

  was done to contain a man, a body, and that vibration, look, collapses at the center of the granite box where the man was lying down.

• 58:33Joe Rogan?

  So do you think there was actually a man inside that? So a person would lay in that box?

• 58:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:38Joe Rogan?

  And what happened to them?

• 58:40Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 58:41Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. So.

• 58:45Speaker 02

  I don't know. That's a simulation that I did, but it's precise.

• 58:48Joe Rogan?

  So you don't think it's for a dead body. You think it's for a live body?

• 58:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  And so a person would lay there and have some probably incredibly profound experience with whatever...

• 59:00Speaker 02

  Probably, yes.

• 59:03Joe Rogan?

  What do you think it was? If you just wanted to get crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you think it was?

• 59:12Joe Rogan?

  I mean, what would happen to a person if they encountered this kind of vibration, these kind of frequencies in this resonating granite box?

• 59:22Speaker 02

  I can say something that is not scientific, uh, recognized.

• 59:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what I want.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 59:33Joe Rogan?

  Keep it up there, Jim.

• 59:36Joe Rogan?

  What do you think?

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Maybe that person was ready to have an out-of-the-body experience induced.

• 59:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like a gateway.

• 59:45Joe Rogan?

  A gateway to the spirit world.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Look, on the top you have, uh, the antenna. The antenna is intercepting all the vibrations that transmits the, all the signal below, directly inside the granite box. It's very exciting.

• 1:00:06Joe Rogan?

  And what do you think was generating these vibrations?

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  Ah, yes. The natural, the natu- uh, the wind, the natural vibration, vibration of the earth and also some, uh, let's say, uh, flowing, the, the, the flowing of water. Also the flowing of water can generate vibration.

• 1:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Flowing wa- then, then there was also shafts that were, this is part of Christopher Dunn's theory. These shafts that reached the outside of space that he thinks were attracting space radiation.

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  Can be.

• 1:00:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's another possibility.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Yes, another possibility.

• 1:00:41Joe Rogan?

  He also had a, a, a theory that perhaps the lower chamber that's below the, the pyramid itself, that there was some mechanical device inside of there that was generating vibration.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  For this, uh, can be, yes, can be, but we don't...

• 1:00:57Joe Rogan?

  Boom, boom, boom, through the entire structure. And this is creating this vibration. That's the antenna. You've got this filter through it and then someone is laying in this sarcophagus, tripping balls.

• 1:01:08Speaker 02

  Yes, it's there.

• 1:01:09Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. That's crazy. That's crazy. Do you imagine if this entire structure was just built so that someone could have some sort of a bizarre out of body experience? Or psychedelic gateway experience?

• 1:01:28Speaker 05

  I think that's true. I think it's psychedelic Disney World. I do, I seriously, I had that epiphany like two months ago.

• 1:01:34Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  I don't want to explain it, but yeah.

• 1:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Please do.

• 1:01:37Speaker 05

  I was looking at a picture of me when I was a kid at like a Cedar Point, which is like roller coaster place. I was just thinking of how much effort we put in to making kids or young adults have a wild experience.

• 1:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 05

  That is only in reference, you only understand it if you live there. If you found Disney World now in a thousand years, you'd be like, what the fuck? They worship mice? What the fuck are you talking about? This is insane. Look at all the pictures of mice everywhere.

• 1:02:05Joe Rogan?

  That's so true.

• 1:02:05Speaker 05

  But you'd see that giant castle and there's rides everywhere and you you would have no idea what the experience of that ride would have been like. Or the teacups.

• 1:02:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:12Speaker 05

  It's nonsense. It's fun for kids. But also would make them feel

• 1:02:18Speaker 05

  amazing, but also adding what this vibration stuff does and sound and music and all these other things. You could put them all together and be like, you could feel like a god.

• 1:02:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 05

  If lightning hit the thing, you'd be like, what the? I don't know. I just had that wild idea one day.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  It's an interesting idea because you think people have always been fascinated by achieving novel experiences. And what more novel experience than a 2,300,000 stone structure? It's perfectly aligned to true north, south, east and west, aligns to the stars of Orion's Belt. You lie inside a stone box and the vibrations hit you and you're in that box.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  And naturally you go out of the body.

• 1:03:02Joe Rogan?

  Who knows what it does to the body and the mind? Because we know that the mind is capable of producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals. We also know that people have a very profound reaction to frequencies. That's why sound hits us so hard and we love music and and just vibration itself and this sound weapon that they just recently used in Venezuela, supposedly to knock out all Maduro's troops. What, what could this thing have been?

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  Yes. I am relative sure that the the principal actor of everything can be water,

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  vibrations, so sound, sound.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  But we we are dealing now to the third, a third thing. So the purpose, the exactly purpose of this. Maybe it can, it can be also one, more than one purposes, no, more than one scopus of the pyramids. The pyramids intended to be, now we, I am hundred percent convinced that the pyramids can be considered the tip of the iceberg of something, of something very huge that is composed by things that are below the earth and the pyramids that are up at the surface of the earth.

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  So what do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that specific geometric shape?

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  Yes, probably because they have to resonate with the universe. In, in, in some,

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  they have to resonate with the, with the universe, you know. The, the universe, the universe, Joe, it is, it is not complicated, it's simple. Because the universe is constituted by things, the matter, the particles, the light, yes. But everything is regulated by some constants. There are the constants. So the velocity, the speed of the light, c three, three times 10 to the eight kilometers per second. Then you have, so the velocity of the light, so you have the electric constants, the magnetic constants that are...

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  That arranges very well the law of the universe. So it is important that something that has to be well related to the place that we live, to the universe, has to contain very precisely the dimensions of recasting the constants of the universe.

• 1:06:09Joe Rogan?

  And that's what you think the pyramids did?

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  Personally, yes. Personally, yes.

• 1:06:15Joe Rogan?

  How old do you think they are?

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  Yes, so, yes, on the, sorry, the Italian starts.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  I start speaking Italian.

• 1:06:25Joe Rogan?

  No, it's okay, it's okay.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  The thing that we can say for certainly is that the pyramids are older than the dates that are written on the typical history books. So to see something that, to say something very precisely, we have to go back in time into the Zeptapi. So that's more than thirty-six thousand years ago, something happened to the earth. So the Zeptapi began, and in a time belonging, the Zeptapi and the great flood were built the pyramid, the pyramids.

• 1:07:19Joe Rogan?

  So, like, what, I'm sending you something, Jamie, that's very interesting.

• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:07:24Joe Rogan?

  Um, so, do you have an, do you, do you have an estimation? Like, what is your personal belief?

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  We can't say exactly the year.

• 1:07:35Joe Rogan?

  So Zeptapi, let's, let's explain to people what that is, since we're, I sometimes forget. Zeptapi is the thing that I described to Zahi Hawass, and he dismissed it. What is this? I've never heard of this. It's an ancient king's list.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Joe Rogan?

  And it's a list of pharaohs that goes back past thirty thousand years.

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:07:55Joe Rogan?

  And it's very inconvenient for modern academics. And so they like to portray it as myth. And then when it gets to the age of historically accurate pharaohs that we know of, Khufu and Khafre, then they allow those hieroglyphs.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:08:15Joe Rogan?

  But when you get all the way back to the thirty thousand years ago, they like to say that that's just mythology.

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Yes, it's true. But it is a matter of fact that Zeb Tapi, we have

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  we have also other ancient megalithics that are very old, recognized as very old.

• 1:08:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  We have to deal with that.

• 1:08:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, Gobekli Tepe was a big problem.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  Gobekli Tepe is a big problem also.

• 1:08:39Joe Rogan?

  More than eleven thousand years old, for sure.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  And as we saw.

• 1:08:44Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. This is something that I actually just talked to Graham Hancock about. This is Stella, is a limestone inscription discovered in eighteen fifty-eight near the Great Pyramid complex at Giza. And the text describes a pharaoh Khufu who ruled from twenty-five eighty-nine to twenty-five sixty-six B.C. visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures, including a temple associated with the goddess Isis. The Stella refers to Isis as the mistress of the pyramid, a title that has raised questions about whether parts of the Giza Plateau were already considered sacred before Khufu's reign. And although most Egyptologists date the Stella itself to the twenty-sixth dynasty,

• 1:09:25Joe Rogan?

  more than two thousand years after Khufu, its wording continues to draw attention because it betrays the pharaoh as a restorer rather than the original builder. Whether the inscription provides older traditional or reflects later religious interpretation remains debated. But if this is accurate, this describes Khufu as restoring the pyramid.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Now, this exists throughout history.

• 1:09:52Joe Rogan?

  Um, the temple of, to Nochitlan, uh, where the Aztecs had, when, when they described it, they described it as the place where the gods were born. Yeah. And they found it. Like, people think the Aztecs made the pyramids. They did not. No. They, there was some sort of a previous civilization that lived in Mexico, prior to the people that called themselves the Aztecs, or what we called the Aztecs. Yes. And they built, so there's a longstanding history of people repurposing existing structures and claiming them as their own. And if this stella is accurate, and this was also in Fingerprints of the Gods, Graham Hancock's book. Um, so I, I sent this to Graham and his reaction was

• 1:10:34Joe Rogan?

  pretty interesting. What he said to me was that, um, there's a strong suggestion that the Kufu Pyramid might have been one of the three subsidiary structures alongside the Great Pyramid's eastern flank, and all that looked like damaging evidence against the Orthodox chronology of ancient Egypt. It also challenged the consensus view that the Giza Pyramids had been built as tombs, and only as tombs. Uh, however, sig, uh, uh, rather than investigating the statements, uh, from the stella, the Egypt child, if tur, uh, they chose to devalue them, in his, his quotes. They chose to say, ah, that's

• 1:11:13Joe Rogan?

  just inconvenient. But if it's, if they are describing it that way, that, that seems like this is a longstanding tradition of people finding things that exists. There's a, uh, clearly, age, ancient Egypt itself, dynastic Egypt, is a very complex society, very complex and very advanced society, even if they didn't build that stuff. But it seems like they're saying the restorer.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. I, I agree with you, Joe. Um, I tell you, uh, there are, um, some facts that we have to observe, because I am used to observe, uh, uh, before I, I have, I, I say something, I have to observe. So, I am not, um, how you say, an expert of pyramids, because I am an engineer, I work on satellites, I am a space engineer, I'm, I'm not, uh, an Egyptologist, uh, like that. But, I can observe.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  Inside the pyramids, they found a lot of salt

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  that were attached on the walls. So they find the salt. Why there was salt there? First. Second. The shafts that we are dealing now, if we want to clean the shafts, why there is debris? Why they are tapped?

• 1:12:54Speaker 02

  So, if the Great Flood is an historical parameter, recognized, so let's say, 11,000, 12,000 years ago, let's say, something like that. I don't remember precisely. The Zep-Tepi, which is not recognized, is 36,000 in the past. So between the Zep-Tepi and the Great Flood,

• 1:13:22Speaker 02

  we can locate the pyramids and the Sphinx.

• 1:13:26Joe Rogan?

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• 1:15:27Speaker 02

  Yes, we can say I'm an engineer. I am, I, I put myself in the center between 36,000 and 11,000.

• 1:15:37Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find some images of salt in the, in the great pyramids. Because it is quite fascinating. And if there was some sort of a massive rise of sea. And massive flooding, which is depicted in every single ancient religion. From Epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk about it. I mean, it's like almost all cultures have a story, obviously Noah and the ark. And the flood in the Bible, but this salt.

• 1:16:07Speaker 02

  Uh, Joe, uh, two months ago, I went for the first time to visit the pyramids. And I found salt on the wall. There is still salt.

• 1:16:18Joe Rogan?

  And you think that salt is probably because.

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  I tasted it is of water of the sea.

• 1:16:23Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:16:24Speaker 02

  Yes, I forgot to, to, to, to bring it to you.

• 1:16:28Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, but there's so much salt that there's still salt there 11,000 years later. Which is really extraordinary. And so you think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded?

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:16:41Joe Rogan?

  And that's the reason why the shafts were flooded and filled with debris?

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:16:44Joe Rogan?

  Right. Topped off with debris because everything just flooded into there. And then when the sea receded.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:16:51Joe Rogan?

  You're so many years later, you left with salt everywhere.

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's why the reason that I don't want that people goes to work inside the shaft. Because are dangerous can collapse the the the debris can collapse. Because you can have bubble of of of air and so it's dangerous.

• 1:17:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  Robots has to go.

• 1:17:14Joe Rogan?

  Right, well, it makes more sense. Robots safer and it's also.

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  So everything is connected, the great flood, the Zeptapi and the pyramids.

• 1:17:22Joe Rogan?

  Wow. If that turns out to be.

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  I'm convinced with that.

• 1:17:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  I I am convinced that maybe eighteen that I I go in the center eighteen eighteen thousand. Or something like that twenty between eighteen thousand and twenty thousand.

• 1:17:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, what's crazy is, I mean, that pushes back that ancient civilization by fourteen thousand years.

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:43Joe Rogan?

  Which is at least fourteen thousand years. I mean, John Anthony West thought maybe thirty thousand plus years to the construction of the Sphinx. That's what he thought. And when Robert Schock from Boston University, the geologist that started doing work on the the pyramid. And then, excuse me, the Temple of the Sphinx.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  The Sphinx, yes.

• 1:18:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and the water erosion, he's like, this is.

• 1:18:04Speaker 02

  It's vertical.

• 1:18:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes, it's vertical fissures that come from thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time there was like significant rainfall in the Nile Valley, like that was nine thousand years ago.

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:14Joe Rogan?

  So you're dealing with thousands of years before that of rain to achieve that kind of erosion.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  Yes, it is necessary now when that's why this research and this activity that hope we will do. It is very important.

• 1:18:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  Because this it is able to rewrite everything.

• 1:18:35Joe Rogan?

  It I mean, really rewrite everything. Imagine if you could get something from down in those shafts and those corridors, something that you could date.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:46Joe Rogan?

  And you get a date back of twenty six thousand B.C. You go, what? You know, I mean, this is, it's not outside of the realm of possibility. That's what's so crazy about this. It just really does seem like we are getting more and more evidence that things are far older than conventional wisdom. The conventional, the conventional narrative that's taught in schools.

• 1:19:11Speaker 02

  Yes, I agree. Eh, I agree because eh, as I told you before, this is time. This is the time to, to see effective what we, which is the exact date of construction, who made them and how they made it.

• 1:19:29Joe Rogan?

  But how could we figure out how they made it? That's the crazy thing, right? Because we don't even understand the technology they used to cut them.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  We don't know what they had. And that's the other thing. If you're dealing with something that's twenty thousand plus years old, fifteen thousand years old, what's gonna be left? All the metal's gone, everything is eroded, the earth is reclaimed, most things. Really, the thing that you have left is stone, which is pretty crazy.

• 1:19:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. And eh, if we see eh, the, the rooms, all the structures that are currently inside, let's say, the, the Caop's Pyramid, which I, I like it a lot. The Grand Gallery is very nice, fascinating. They have a precision, incredible precision. All those big, huge stones that, that is composed in the Grand Gallery is very exciting. I like it a lot.

• 1:20:23Joe Rogan?

  Did you have eh, any sort of fascination about the pyramids before this or?

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  Joe, I remember when I was young, very young, I used to eh, I had eh, it.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  How you say, I had a personal computer, very old one. And I was always playing, always on a, on something that, and that was the pyramids. They were all the pyramids. And that, in that meantime, I, I realized that I liked the pyramids. And so, I was very young.

• 1:21:06Joe Rogan?

  So, the personal computer, you were just researching the pyramids, is that what it was?

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:21:10Joe Rogan?

  Just looking at pictures and images?

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, on the pyramids.

• 1:21:14Joe Rogan?

  So you always were fascinated by it, but did you have an understanding or even any questions about the timeline of civilization before this?

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  No, never.

• 1:21:22Joe Rogan?

  So it only happened within the last few years?

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  Yes. I began, I began working, so being interested on pyramids, starting from 2018.

• 1:21:36Joe Rogan?

  So it was right after you started doing this research?

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:21:40Joe Rogan?

  And you started saying, okay, what is this? Yeah.

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  And so, when you started to, to research on something that, that is our history, our past, our origins, because we, our origins are there. So we have to fetch, we have to find what there is there. Because it is important that we, it is important to research our origin, because in this meantime, humanity does not know, we don't know who we are. We don't know our origins. We don't know anything of, of who we are.

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  And the, most of the answers can be found in the, studying the pyramids.

• 1:22:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, it certainly seems to be the greatest accomplishment that ancient humans had ever created.

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:22:35Joe Rogan?

  And if these humans were far more ancient than we currently believe, that is really, really interesting.

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it is for me, a very, it is something that I have it always in my mind.

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  Only to know how they did, how they cut the stones, how they have transported the stones and how, I don't know, how, how, how, everything.

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  It's all how, how, how.

• 1:23:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:23:01Joe Rogan?

  What gave them the idea, like, were there any previous pyramids? Because it's weird, because the older you go, the more complex the structures are. And the newer ones are kind of shitty. Yeah.

• 1:23:15Joe Rogan?

  So, okay, so we went from that, we showed this antenna and it goes into the supposed sarcophagus and these vibrations. What other things do you show in your presentation that are interesting?

• 1:23:26Speaker 02

  I showed principally all the structures that are, that are under the the Kafr pyramid and also under each pyramid. And also I described the method

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  on how going below without drilling anything. And so I showed them, I showed them that there are, the entrances are there on our eyes. Everyone can see those shafts. And so why we are not exploring them? Why they are so dirty? Why they are so without any kind of work of renew?

• 1:24:12Joe Rogan?

  Maintenance, yeah.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  I don't know why.

• 1:24:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, it seems like there's limited resources, first of all.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Maybe, yes.

• 1:24:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And also it seems like Egypt, an entire economy is based on tourism, an immense amount of tourism, because it's so fantastic. There's people from all over the world make a pilgrimage.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  I also, I also, I also find a method to combine, so not stopping the tourism, you know? So it is possible to combine the work and also the tourism. So we can delimitate the area. Inside the area, we work. And outside the area, safety, all the people can visit the Giza Plateau.

• 1:24:54Joe Rogan?

  And not only that, I think it will enhance tourism.

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:57Joe Rogan?

  Because if this speculation proves to be fruitful and you start looking under there and you find that there, there is evidence to all this, it's just going to make more people want to go there.

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, I agree with you. But you imagine, Joe. We will find the structures that are underneath, no? And maybe we can try to build a huge lift that carry people downstairs in safety always. Or maybe not below for a lot, but at a certain, at a certain depth. So they can also travel along the horizontal corridors that are present. And so they go up from the shafts and they, they go, they, they, they go up from, to the Kafre Pyramid. Then they go away from, so the entrance here and they, and they go.

• 1:25:51Speaker 02

  Intercepting the pyramids.

• 1:25:52Joe Rogan?

  That would be amazing.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:25:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, it would just be much more tourism.

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:25:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And also, the all eyes would be on Egypt.

• 1:25:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:26:00Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it would probably be a huge boost to their economy. It would probably be a huge boost to archaeology.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:26:07Joe Rogan?

  Because more young people would get fascinated by it, want to study it.

• 1:26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and imagine, imagine also this. What can we find below?

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  Down there, what can, what can we find? This is a question that I am asking. Because if we watch the, the, the slide concerning the shaft that I want to, that I want to clean. There are things inside it. I am showing that, that, that, eh, there are things located inside the chamber. Look, there is something. What, what is that?

• 1:26:43Joe Rogan?

  What are you seeing? When you, we're talking about the shaft where it goes all the way down to the bottom? And there's a chamber, is that what you mean?

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  That one, yes.

• 1:26:51Joe Rogan?

  Right there. So that structure that is at the bottom.

• 1:26:54Speaker 02

  What's that? I don't know what's that.

• 1:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  It's very huge.

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  Very huge and it's at the bottom of the shaft.

• 1:27:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  Look, the horizontal corridors.

• 1:27:06Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:27:09Joe Rogan?

  And so there's more horizontal corridors during the, when you traverse down into the shaft.

• 1:27:15Speaker 02

  Then you intercept.

• 1:27:17Joe Rogan?

  Right, other corridors. And how large are those corridors?

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  About three meters tall.

• 1:27:24Joe Rogan?

  So there's three, so there's these three meter tall shafts that go to the side, these corridors that go to the side.

• 1:27:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:32Joe Rogan?

  Along the way and then also down at the very bottom.

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:37Joe Rogan?

  And you're convinced of this? This is all accurate data? Right.

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  And no one's ever sent a camera down there or anything?

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  Those are human, man-made structure like a ring on another ring. Look, it is, it is very clear.

• 1:27:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:27:56Speaker 02

  If you observe the structure, those are man-made.

• 1:27:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:27:59Speaker 02

  And they go deep, very deep. And you can see the rubbish that is on the bottom.

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  All the debris. And that debris you think was a lot of it because of the flood?

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  I am hundred percent sure of this.

• 1:28:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:12Speaker 02

  So the pyramids or the Giza Plateau, it seems to stop the functionality, the, the working. We don't know which kind of work were used to do, but stopped because of the great flood. So we can go back in time in twelve thousand years ago.

• 1:28:36Joe Rogan?

  And when people, the people that don't know, if you're hearing this, like what great flood, that's just not, that's just myth. There's a thing called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory and the Younger Dryas Impact Theory Group that's been studying this. They now know that there was impacts to the earth that are allow, around the eleven thousand eight hundred year mark. And then I believe again in the ten thousand year range. Randall Carlson is probably the best guy to talk to about that. But that they find high levels of iridium, which is very common in space and very rare on earth, but there's a layer of it.

• 1:29:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:29:11Joe Rogan?

  They also find these nano diamonds that they also discovered during the first Trinity explosion when they detonated the atomic bomb. They find these microscopic glass particles that are created by the intense explosion interacting with the sand. So what is it called? Trinitite? Trit- something it's called?

• 1:29:31Joe Rogan?

  What are those nuclear glass, what is that called, tritanite, is that what it's called?

• 1:29:35Speaker 02

  Some, uh, some, something related to vitrification.

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  So this exists all over the world, and it exists all over the world when they do a core sample at the same depth.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:47Joe Rogan?

  And so this is a very strong scientific indicator of evidence that we've been hit.

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  But another scientific indicator is the debris, why there is that debris there.

• 1:29:56Joe Rogan?

  Right, why so much?

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  So much.

• 1:29:58Joe Rogan?

  Right, why so much?

• 1:29:59Speaker 02

  If we, if we do karate drilling of that debris inside the shaft, I don't know how, how, how deep we can go. So why there is all the, all that debris there, we don't know.

• 1:30:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, but which makes sense if there is a great flood that fills the pyramid with salt water.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:30:17Joe Rogan?

  That it probably washed all that sand into that gigantic vertical shaft.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:22Joe Rogan?

  Completely makes sense.

• 1:30:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I tell you, Joe, we, if we do the chemical, uh, chemical, a chemical exploration of that debris, we can find also a certain density of salt because we're mixed in the past by salty water and debris and soils.

• 1:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, also you could get dirt from the very bottom.

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  And it gets some sort of organic material and carbon date that. And maybe you can get an understanding of like maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of that shaft.

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  Very interesting, yes, it's possible, can be possible.

• 1:30:58Joe Rogan?

  Crazy if they did that and it lines up directly with the Younger Dryas impact theory. I mean, that would be incredible evidence. Either way, just what it is that we know that there's immense shafts, we know that they go many, many meters deep into the earth. And we know that there's these horizontal shafts along the way, these corridors along the way, like all of it is just nuts.

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  We.

• 1:31:26Speaker 05

  I was looking at the Osiris shaft here, um, the shaft.

• 1:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:31:31Speaker 05

  Just near these other ones. Uh, when they found it, there was water down there they had to get out. And the water is not only cold, ice cold, it says. Clean enough to be drinking water.

• 1:31:43Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:31:44Speaker 05

  And I don't know that it doesn't, it sounded like it refills itself.

• 1:31:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so there's a spring down there. Well, that is also the problem with the labyrinth. So the labyrinth that they have where there's this enormous atrium and this forty meter long metallic object that apparently is underneath there, and this is through ground penetrating radar to discover this. I don't think they know what that metal is either. I think it's an unknown metal. But they built a dam there, I believe in the nineteen sixties. And to help the farmers, and unfortunately, that flooded that whole area. So because they changed the direction of the water and built this dam, the water table rose.

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:32:22Joe Rogan?

  And that entire labyrinth is now filled with water.

• 1:32:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:26Joe Rogan?

  But through ground penetrating radar, they've been able to get this accurate assessment of the dimensions of it. And then they go back to the descriptions of Herodotus, who described it, see if you can pull that up. Uh, Herodotus described it as greater than the Giza Plateau itself. So these labyrinths, these corridors, these atriums, these huge passageways underneath the, the Great Pyramid area. More complex and more spectacular than the pyramids themselves.

• 1:32:54Speaker 02

  Yes. My God.

• 1:32:56Joe Rogan?

  My God, like what was this civilization? These people living in Africa, however long ago, were so much more advanced than perhaps anybody that's ever existed, including us.

• 1:33:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:33:08Joe Rogan?

  Just in a different way. Including us. Just in a different way.

• 1:33:12Speaker 02

  Uh, just to remark the fact, Joe, that there is difference between the water table, which, which of course is composed by drinkable water and the water that they found, uh, compounding the, uh, the Osiris shaft. And the water that transported all the debris, but that water was.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  Uh salty water because of the great flood, so it was uh water um of the sea composing the sea.

• 1:33:43Joe Rogan?

  Which makes sense when you see the salt that's all over the pyramids. This is Herodotus's quote, "I've seen it myself, and indeed, words cannot describe it. Though the pyramids beggar description, and each one of them is a match for many great monuments built by Greeks. This maze surpasses even the pyramids." That is crazy. That's crazy that he said that. And if have you ever seen any of the artistic renditions of what it looks like?

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  Uh, no, but.

• 1:34:11Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find some of that, because we did it. If anybody's interested in this, I can't recommend enough Uncharted X. It's Ben Van Kirkwicks. This is what apparently is underneath this area. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist, and trust me, I know. I buy one, The Farmer's Dog. I use it for both my dogs. They love it. They eat it up quick.

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• 1:36:48Speaker 02

  Wow, how nice.

• 1:36:49Joe Rogan?

  This is all underground.

• 1:36:51Speaker 02

  And so I think we, the next, the next site that we can study can be this.

• 1:36:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:59Joe Rogan?

  And.

• 1:37:00Speaker 02

  Awara.

• 1:37:01Joe Rogan?

  And if you could find out what that forty meter long metallic object is, that's, that's when things get weird. That's when things get real weird. Because you find a spaceship down there.

• 1:37:14Joe Rogan?

  Then things get really fun.

• 1:37:17Joe Rogan?

  I mean, we're Egyptian space travelers. Why not? I mean, if they could build that, why not space? Who knows what they could do? They're lying in a gigantic stone box, tripping balls. They have this huge pyramid, the structures go, how long? A kilometer, the entire thing into the earth?

• 1:37:35Speaker 02

  One point two.

• 1:37:37Joe Rogan?

  One point two kilometers into the earth, from the base of the pyramid down, one point two kilometers. Wow.

• 1:37:44Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:37:44Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Does this change, I mean, from two thousand eighteen to now, from you researching this? And does this change your entire perspective of human history? And, and just human beings in general?

• 1:37:59Speaker 02

  In my personal opinion, yes. Because before this was a problem accepting how the pyramids were made, all those stones. But if we can, if we are adding also the structures that are underneath, I don't know what happens.

• 1:38:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:18Speaker 02

  More impossible than before.

• 1:38:20Joe Rogan?

  Right. More impossible than, I mean, if you'd imagine with modern technology, trying to recreate something like that. You're talking about an immense project that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars.

• 1:38:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:38:33Joe Rogan?

  If not more. And the engineering involved in it, I mean, you're an engineer. The engineering involved in doing something like that, like, how?

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  How they can cut the granite so precisely is impossible. It's impossible, also today, it's impossible.

• 1:38:50Joe Rogan?

  So they had some sort of a technology that is far more advanced than we have. They just went in a different direction. We went in the direction of internal combustion engines and electronics. And they probably went in some completely different direction.

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yes, because the modern sci-science started from a point. And then, as you are, you are saying, right, we followed a direction, which is the direction of light. Because most of the, our inventions, our, yes, internal combustion engines and, and other stuff. But principally, we use light, because we can see it. We can see, we can see light, okay, we use light. But other, other existence, other people that, that was, uh, living in the past.

• 1:39:47Speaker 02

  Maybe used other things that we don't know.

• 1:39:50Joe Rogan?

  Maybe sound.

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  Maybe sound.

• 1:39:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, it seems like it if this is generating sound and vibration, if your speculation is correct.

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:39:58Joe Rogan?

  That they were obsessed with vibration and sound.

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  Yes. They were obs-obsessed in vibrations and sound. Because all the structures that I, that I watched inside the, inside the pyramids.

• 1:40:14Speaker 02

  They are like something that generates sound, or they maintain clean the sound.

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  It resonates sound.

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  It resonates sound.

• 1:40:24Joe Rogan?

  It has a very specific echo to it.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  That zed, like that, is magnificent. The zed is perfect. It's a perfect device made by stones. It's very nice.

• 1:40:39Joe Rogan?

  And just how, how and where did they get the understanding to construct something like this? And this, this is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human progression and civilization, to go from caveman to modern 2026 human being. We like to think that it was just, oh, we figured this out, then we figured the wheel out, and then it was agriculture. Now here we are today with cars. But more likely, there were some peaks and valleys. We rose up to a very high level, probably during Egypt, and it was shattered down, and it took probably a long time before civilization rebuilt itself again.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  Yes. Joe, then we are, we are speaking about modern living, but modern living has to be sustainable.

• 1:41:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  I don't think that our modern living is so sustainable.

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:41:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:41:33Joe Rogan?

  I mean, even our population isn't sustainable.

• 1:41:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:41:36Joe Rogan?

  We're in population collapse in many countries in the world, South Korea, Japan. Even there's arguments about America itself, that we're in population collapse.

• 1:41:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:46Joe Rogan?

  And we're also chaotic. We, we also have a very bizarre distribution of information that's filled with nonsense and lies and propaganda.

• 1:41:56Speaker 02

  Yes, lies and propaganda, yes.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  We have the government that's constantly trying to censor people and control speech and limit your ability to express yourself and complain about things so they can continue to dominate resources. You have a, we have a weird society today. But it's also a society, because of this access to information, where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never happened before. And that is, that's the most exciting thing about our time.

• 1:42:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:23Joe Rogan?

  Because there's so much room for discussion.

• 1:42:25Speaker 02

  I, I want to, if I can, to explain you something that is maybe related to philosophy or to other things.

• 1:42:38Speaker 02

  We have an example of how

• 1:42:45Speaker 02

  modern humans are a bit strange, because we are not made, it is like that we are not made to research or to find the harmonics, the harmonics in our living. And so, I just want to make an example. Do you remember in the 80s when the cold fusion? Yes, yeah. So, maybe we are speaking about Fleishman and Pons that made for the first time, they had a glass of water and inside they made a mini nuclear reactor inside.

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  They had some results, that were very, very poor results, I know, but was a base to build something stronger. They put away that experiment, or no, they debunked that experiment. It was not good, it is not good, because it is not possible.

• 1:43:50Speaker 02

  And the example of the cold fusion is how we are, because cold fusion was devoted to find the energy using resonance. Resonance. Why? How it works, cold fusion? We have two atoms of hydrogen. We start putting together these two atoms, but while we put together these two atoms, there are the atomic forces that tends to, no, I don't want to stay with the other atom. So, but then there is a limit,

• 1:44:34Speaker 02

  that the atoms fuse together and it is, they are transformed in helium plus energy, because of the mass difference. And so, you can do energy by fusion, this is fusion, not cold fusion. So, you can have a fusion by forcing together the atoms that they don't want to stay together. So, the force, force together.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  And that is hot, yes, that is hot fusion. Cold fusion, you convince the two atoms to stay together naturally. Okay, so today.

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  What method do they use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally?

• 1:45:21Speaker 02

  Yes, you have to find a third material that convince the two atom to stay together. Like you say, I have a couple, you have a couple, a girl and a man, they don't want to talk one to each other. If you put a third person between them, at the center of them, and she and maybe a third person convince the man and the girl to speak together, and they will speak together, okay? So the third material, which is palladium, they use palladium. Palladium has the physical property to make, speak together the two atoms,

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  and without force them, they naturally transform into helium. And they generate energy. Because the helium has a mass lower than the two atoms. With mass difference, you will, you will generate energy.

• 1:46:24Joe Rogan?

  And doing this at scale is really the holy grail of modern science. This has always been the quest.

• 1:46:29Speaker 02

  Yes, so we have two paradigmas. Convincing something or obtaining the results using the force. And so the street that you were speaking before, science had this street. We want to have things by using force, not convincing.

• 1:46:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's where we are. That's nuclear power.

• 1:46:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:46:57Joe Rogan?

  Nuclear energy.

• 1:47:00Speaker 02

  Yes, because.

• 1:47:03Speaker 02

  I tell you, today also hot nuclear fusion does not exist. Because it is very difficult to to make a huge reactor that use the tokamak or something related to laser that uses that that forces together the atoms to be. It's something not natural.

• 1:47:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  Cold fusion was natural. And so the pyramids are something related to vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to something like that. That it is the right creation that was the past.

• 1:47:42Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, they were the right creation.

• 1:47:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  They were they were doing it the correct way.

• 1:47:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:47:46Joe Rogan?

  Instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature.

• 1:47:49Speaker 02

  In harmony with the nature and in the universe. And that's why all the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe. The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. And it's not difficult. It's very simple to read the universe.

• 1:48:05Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, hmm, OK, show me more. Show me more of this presentation. What else do you have in here? When you go from from the the cap with the sound resonating into the supposed sarcophagus?

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, we can go to that slide.

• 1:48:27Joe Rogan?

  This stuff is awesome. This is my favorite subject by far. Of all subjects, ancient history, in particular, ancient Egypt is my favorite subject.

• 1:48:35Speaker 02

  OK, we stop to pink early.

• 1:48:37Joe Rogan?

  So undeniably interesting.

• 1:48:40Speaker 02

  If we can go a slide up. Here, look, here we are dealing with something that happened in two thousand twenty twenty two. After this, after our our paper was published, because these results are on our first paper. Look, Joe, that slide there, that that.

• 1:49:03Joe Rogan?

  The lower left slide.

• 1:49:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:49:06Joe Rogan?

  You depict chambers that were previously not known.

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's the big void.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, the big void.

• 1:49:13Speaker 02

  That's the big void. And then there is the chevron connecting with the corridor, the base of the Grand Gallery. That corridor was discovered six months later by Zakhiyawas.

• 1:49:30Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:49:32Speaker 02

  They made the paper, but I depicted six months.

• 1:49:39Joe Rogan?

  So you let them know it was there?

• 1:49:41Speaker 02

  That's the corridor.

• 1:49:43Joe Rogan?

  I found it!

• 1:49:46Speaker 02

  That's the corridor.

• 1:49:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:47Speaker 02

  I don't want to say that I found it, but...

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, you found it. I'll say it. You found it. So, your technology showed something that turned out to be true and is now established.

• 1:50:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:50:01Joe Rogan?

  And again, how crazy is it they're just finding new chambers in the pyramids in the 21st century?

• 1:50:09Joe Rogan?

  Pretty spectacular that they're just finding this now.

• 1:50:13Speaker 02

  And just yesterday, I was to examine it again. I don't have it, I don't have slides here, I am sorry. But there are the results of the Scamp Pyramid project. The Scamp Pyramid is very good. It is a very nice project group. And they discovered the so-called big void. But there is a problem. Because they say the big void can be something parallel to the Grand Gallery. Not steady, but inclined, like inclined.

• 1:50:52Joe Rogan?

  In a incline, right?

• 1:50:55Speaker 02

  Examining their results...

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  I was observing something. Maybe, I say maybe, I can't say that I am right of this. Maybe they are, they are confusing an inclined new chamber by the top of the, they are distinguishing the top of the Grand Gallery and the bottom of the Grand Gallery, like that. I observed the results, but in my personal opinion, the big void is not inclined, but it is located where there is that red blob there. That's the Grand Gallery, yes, there and also up. Yes, that's the Grand Gallery.

• 1:51:45Speaker 02

  It is not inclined, it's flat like that, is, how you say, is steady, not inclined.

• 1:51:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:51:54Speaker 02

  That's the Grand Gallery.

• 1:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Why do they think it's at an incline?

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  Because we are not seeing, we are not, my technique does not detect, is not detecting an inclined chamber on the top of the Grand Gallery.

• 1:52:09Joe Rogan?

  Why do they think there's an incline?

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  Yes, because they found two targets, parallel. But I am feeling to tell them to be careful because maybe they are confusing the roof of the Grand Gallery and the lower part of the Grand Gallery.

• 1:52:28Joe Rogan?

  I see.

• 1:52:29Speaker 02

  Okay, they have to be careful.

• 1:52:32Joe Rogan?

  Interesting, but it's just also more evidence that your techniques are very effective and accurate. Because you did describe.

• 1:52:42Speaker 02

  Yes, we can see the results that I, that I obtained on the Gran Sasso. We can see the Gran Sasso and the laboratory of Gran Sasso. That is the perfect benchmark that describes the effectiveness of my technique.

• 1:53:05Joe Rogan?

  All right, show me some more, what else you got here?

• 1:53:09Joe Rogan?

  Show me another slide.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  Below, I think. Ah, okay, okay. We go to Gubio. This is a town where I live. I am...

• 1:53:23Joe Rogan?

  This is Sacsehuamán, right?

• 1:53:24Speaker 02

  Sacsehuamán, yes. This is Sacsehuamán. And here I am showing you the next work that we can do once the Jiza scanning activity are finished.

• 1:53:38Joe Rogan?

  So, this is in Peru, correct?

• 1:53:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:53:41Joe Rogan?

  And so you want to scan this as well? Because, you know, we've had quite a few people on describe this.

• 1:53:48Speaker 02

  Look, Joe, the stones are like marshmallows.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:53:52Speaker 02

  They are like marshmallows. How they did those, those...

• 1:53:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:57Speaker 02

  Things there?

• 1:53:58Joe Rogan?

  Enormous. Some of them 100 tons carved from stones that... Who knows how they put them into position? But they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of earthquakes, right?

• 1:54:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:54:12Joe Rogan?

  The idea of this technology is that the reason why they're like a puzzle piece is because it would be much less likely to move in an intense earthquake.

• 1:54:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:54:24Speaker 02

  Go back to Tepe. Eh, Gubio. Just a few words on this city. That is a small town that is located in Perugia, where I live. Eh, look, eh, the Italian, the authority of this, of the city, of the town, ask me to perform a scanning around that Colosseum, that mini Colosseum that is located in Gubio, because probably there is a huge Roman city, not so old, but it is a Roman city that compounds that arena that is there.

• 1:55:03Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, so a lost Roman city that's around that area?

• 1:55:07Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. And I say hello to the people of Gubio.

• 1:55:13Joe Rogan?

  So is this the next thing that you're going to do? One of the next things?

• 1:55:17Speaker 02

  One of the next.

• 1:55:17Joe Rogan?

  But Saksahwaman is also one of them.

• 1:55:19Speaker 02

  Yes. Ah, and there is also Karakora also, very interesting. The slide fifty-one, please. Yes, yes, Karakora, yes. This is located in Russia and there are huge structures inside there and...

• 1:55:46Joe Rogan?

  This is in Russia?

• 1:55:46Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, and nobody knows the purpose of those things there, nobody. It's crazy, more than crazy.

• 1:55:56Joe Rogan?

  And how big are these things? Can you keep that up there, James? Okay, just keep this up just for a couple of seconds. I just like, how, how big are we, what are we looking at here?

• 1:56:05Speaker 02

  Yes, we have nine plus sixteen plus seven plus ten plus thirty-six and they go below. So maybe two or three hundred meters below.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  Two or three hundred meters? And there's this immense rectangle at the bottom of these corridors?

• 1:56:21Speaker 02

  And, and it goes more, more deeply. And so they, nobody knows what there is.

• 1:56:27Joe Rogan?

  And if you look at that image, it's clearly a man-made structure.

• 1:56:31Speaker 02

  It's man-made, absolutely, yes.

• 1:56:32Joe Rogan?

  I mean, look, they're stones, they're, they're placed.

• 1:56:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:36Joe Rogan?

  That is nuts.

• 1:56:38Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:56:38Joe Rogan?

  And they don't, there is no historical timeline, no understanding of who did it?

• 1:56:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:56:44Joe Rogan?

  Wow. So it's likely that there's structures like this that exist that are undiscovered, probably all over the world.

• 1:56:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yes. The nice thing of this is this. Satellites are global, globally. So, one satellite flies from, let's say, south pole, north pole, south pole, like that.

• 1:57:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:57:12Speaker 02

  Because of the angular momentum conservation, the, let's say, the wheel of the orbit remains steady. And the earth rotates inside this circle. The circle remains steady.

• 1:57:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:57:30Speaker 02

  Like that. So, at least once a day, one satellite can observe, potentially, any part of the globe in one day.

• 1:57:39Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:57:40Speaker 02

  So, you can program snapshots where you want in all the earth in one day.

• 1:57:47Joe Rogan?

  And how many satellites are up there?

• 1:57:49Speaker 02

  Ah, there are, eh, the satellites that contain, on board of them, a payload, eh, composed by a synthetic aperture radar, there are a lot. There are different satellites companies that provides these services. So, eh, today it is possible to decide to observe something. Okay, I call the company and they produce for me an image.

• 1:58:19Joe Rogan?

  And this structure in Russia, how was this initially discovered? Was it discovered by explorers?

• 1:58:25Speaker 02

  Manually, by explorers.

• 1:58:26Joe Rogan?

  Manually?

• 1:58:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:58:27Joe Rogan?

  And how did they get the dimensions of it? Are people able to go all the way down into it?

• 1:58:31Speaker 02

  Yes, that man, eh, because there is only a, eh, a man that went down, because it's very narrow, but once you go down, eh, big, everything becomes very huge and large, measured manually all those depths. But more there than then, you can't go because maybe it's too narrow, I don't know. He's, okay.

• 1:58:53Joe Rogan?

  Did you find any images of that, Jamie, online?

• 1:58:55Speaker 05

  I'm looking into something, eh, I'm stuck in a hole, hold on. Someone was sort of saying that's in a different spot, and I was trying to track it down. These are also weirdly only getting talked about over the last month, so I am digging down.

• 1:59:12Joe Rogan?

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• 2:00:51Speaker 02

  I don't remember.

• 2:00:52Speaker 05

  2011.

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  2011.

• 2:00:55Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. The fact that they don't know who made it or why, but it is clearly manmade. You're seeing these stones perfectly cut, stacked on top of each other.

• 2:01:05Speaker 02

  Yes, and you have the same.

• 2:01:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay, it says it's currently known from fringe social media and YouTube-style sources rather than former archaeological publications because it hasn't been explored, correct?

• 2:01:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's fifteen years ago, though.

• 2:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, pretty, pretty nuts. But I mean, who's doing that kind of work in Russia? Especially now. "Deep underground shaft lined with large, parallel megalithic stone blocks with walls described as straight and polished suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure." And this is all from our sponsor Perplexity that we run all our questions through, and it's always been very accurate. Said to lie somewhere between, in the Russian Caucasus, often simply, described simply as "North Caucasus" or "Caucus Mountains," with videos and posts presenting it as evidence of unknown or very ancient civilization with advanced stoneworking techniques. Crazy that they don't know who

• 2:02:01Joe Rogan?

  made this. There's no accessible peer-reviewed archaeological articles, official Russian heritage records, or academic monographs to describe the site formerly named the Karahora Sha-- is it, am I saying that right? Karahora?

• 2:02:16Speaker 02

  Karahora Shaft.

• 2:02:17Joe Rogan?

  Karahora Shaft, which strongly suggests the claim, has not been vetted by mainstream archaeology, but, you know, look, it exists. Whether it's vetted or not, it doesn't matter. Like, what, who made it? What is it? Nuts. That's really crazy. I had no idea that that existed. And it's just, it makes you think. Like, if they'd just found that in 2011, and--

• 2:02:40Speaker 02

  Manually.

• 2:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:41Speaker 02

  And maybe doing a wide, a wide research by satellites, maybe, starting from there, or other sites between that Karahora, maybe we will find other things.

• 2:02:54Joe Rogan?

  Right. It could be a part of an enormous complex.

• 2:02:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:02:57Joe Rogan?

  Who knows? But just the fact that that exists, and that a human made that, or humans made that, that's crazy.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing is crazy because it really does like anybody that boy the modern archaeologists and people that are the gatekeepers of archaeological information are fighting an uphill battle. Because like you can't at a certain point in time, you have to give up and go, I don't know. And that's an I don't know moment.

• 2:03:21Speaker 02

  Yes, this and I don't know.

• 2:03:23Joe Rogan?

  What the hell is that?

• 2:03:24Speaker 02

  What is that?

• 2:03:25Joe Rogan?

  Show me some more images, Jamie, because it's really kooky.

• 2:03:28Speaker 05

  Of the shaft?

• 2:03:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just what that looks like.

• 2:03:30Speaker 05

  I'm trying to it's I'm digging down a hole and there's a post here on.

• 2:03:35Speaker 02

  Yes, there are not so many.

• 2:03:36Speaker 05

  This is a like they're misinterpreting something.

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  This is Jay Anderson, who's been on the podcast recently.

• 2:03:42Speaker 05

  This is the tweet I found.

• 2:03:43Joe Rogan?

  Uh, how about some fat change? Karahora, um, in the Cabardino Balkria Republic, North Caucus of the Russian Federation is a different place from Karakoto. So Karahora and Karakoto, so there's more than one place?

• 2:04:00Speaker 05

  I'm trying to I have I'm just Googling stuff. It's it all comes from this one video, it seems like, because everyone's pointing to this video and this video is compiled of all sorts of stuff.

• 2:04:10Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, interesting.

• 2:04:11Speaker 05

  It's got three million views from 2024, so I can see how it goes when it went viral, you know? But it starts off with just showing that and I don't, you know?

• 2:04:20Joe Rogan?

  So this is probably the entry to this area.

• 2:04:22Speaker 05

  Maybe, but again, no one knows. They can't tell you where that is on a map.

• 2:04:26Joe Rogan?

  Right, got it.

• 2:04:28Speaker 02

  Look how precisely they are.

• 2:04:30Speaker 05

  So this might be.

• 2:04:33Joe Rogan?

  Who knows?

• 2:04:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, could be real, could be nonsense.

• 2:04:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, the the images of that guy standing there looking outside of that opening that you showed earlier in your presentation is just bananas. But whatever this is.

• 2:04:45Speaker 05

  But that's where I don't know where it's from, you know, it could be.

• 2:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Right. Do they have any video of once they got all the way down through? So here, okay, let's keep going. See what it looks like.

• 2:04:56Speaker 05

  And I don't even know. Yeah, so someone else has done narration on it. It's coming from a different channel. I can see a tag on there, it's coming from a different show.

• 2:05:07Joe Rogan?

  God, look at the right angles, though. This is nuts.

• 2:05:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it clearly looks like something man-made.

• 2:05:15Speaker 02

  Look how precise they are.

• 2:05:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's crazy.

• 2:05:18Speaker 02

  That's man-made. It's absolutely man-made. There are also a comparison with the with the dimensions of the dimensions.

• 2:05:27Joe Rogan?

  Wow. What the hell is that?

• 2:05:32Joe Rogan?

  That means, what the hell is that? It's crazy and they found it in 2011.

• 2:05:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:36Joe Rogan?

  I mean, imagine how much more of this stuff. I mean, that's one of the things about Gobekli Tepe. They've only observed 5% of it. I mean, 5% of it they've uncovered. And through ground penetrating radar, they know of multiple sites nearby.

• 2:05:50Speaker 02

  Yes, but ground penetrating radar has a problem.

• 2:05:53Joe Rogan?

  What is the problem?

• 2:05:54Speaker 02

  The problem of ground penetrating radar is the penetration depth is few meters enough. So it's a problem, there is a problem of penetration depth. But in that depth, you are very precise. So you have to take into account that more than 15, 20 meters below you can't go.

• 2:06:16Joe Rogan?

  Right, but using that method, they have found all these structures that exist around.

• 2:06:22Speaker 02

  It's a good method for in situ exploration, yes. And so you can find nice things with using ground penetrating radar. If you want to to perform a wide area, rough, let's say, rough scanning, you can use my method. So you can, you can find huge things on wide area. For the details, it's okay, ground penetrating radar.

• 2:06:52Joe Rogan?

  Is there anything else you want to show us that's in your presentation that you think? Show me some more stuff.

• 2:06:57Speaker 02

  Yes, it's a pleasure.

• 2:06:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, please, it's a pleasure for me too. Thank you, thank you for being here.

• 2:07:02Speaker 02

  Thank you for inviting.

• 2:07:04Joe Rogan?

  Karakora, is that how you say it? Karakora?

• 2:07:07Speaker 02

  Karakora?

• 2:07:08Joe Rogan?

  Karakora. So this is Karakora. So that image, go back one more time to Karakora. That, so that's a legitimate image. That's not AI generated. This is, this is these guys standing in clearly looks like megalithic stones stacked on top of each other. Clearly manmade.

• 2:07:26Speaker 02

  Yes, clearly manmade because look, you see.

• 2:07:29Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:07:29Speaker 02

  You see the blocks.

• 2:07:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you see the blocks. It's fucking nuts.

• 2:07:34Speaker 02

  No, but okay, we can, we can understand that it's possible, maybe it's possible to build something like that.

• 2:07:39Joe Rogan?

  Sure, it's possible.

• 2:07:40Speaker 02

  But the purpose.

• 2:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, the purpose and when and who and what civilization? Right, like who did that? That's, that is insane.

• 2:07:50Speaker 05

  What even is that?

• 2:07:51Joe Rogan?

  What even is that? Yeah. I mean, there's ropes that go across, and that's what you're seeing.

• 2:07:56Speaker 05

  Where's his arm and where does the rope go to?

• 2:07:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's got his arm posted on the side of that wall, and that rope goes across, and you're just not seeing it because of the darkness.

• 2:08:05Speaker 05

  Is that like he's leaning against something there too?

• 2:08:08Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it looks like he's got his hand on that wall, that opening. There's an opening in that shaft. Um, so what else is next in this? In this presentation?

• 2:08:16Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:08:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, which way should I go?

• 2:08:20Speaker 02

  Okay, we go upstairs, let's see. Go back to Itape, then we have Gubio. And here we have the Osiris shafts, we use this shaft, the Osiris shaft, like a benchmark because we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is able to retrieve the shape of the Osiris shaft. Why the Osiris shaft? Because it's a benchmark that we know exactly how it is established and, and, and...

• 2:08:49Joe Rogan?

  So it accurately depicts the Osiris shaft?

• 2:08:51Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 2:08:54Joe Rogan?

  Um, what else?

• 2:08:55Speaker 02

  Okay, let's go there. Okay, um, forty-three? Forty-three, yes. Uh, this is, uh, the Sangotar the tunnel. And here, I made an exploration using my technique in order to retrieve the shape of the railway tunnel. That it is approximately two kilometers below the, the, the mountain. And the slide forty-four, uh, we can understand that, in this case, the Alps, the, the mountain, resonates like a crystal. So you are seeing, you are watching the mountain in the vibrational domain.

• 2:09:40Speaker 02

  It's like, uh, a photograph, a photo, uh, picked, picked up or, um, uh, synthesized by sound. And in, in that case, uh, we can see the slide forty-five and forty-six, we are detecting the tunnel, the, the tunnel, yes, that's the railway tunnel that is located below the earth.

• 2:10:05Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:10:08Joe Rogan?

  So this is just more proof of the accuracy of the technique?

• 2:10:11Speaker 02

  Ah, yes, yes.

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  This is some really stunning stuff.

• 2:10:17Speaker 02

  Yes, I can explain you other experiments. We can go starting from slide 36. Okay, slide 36. This is a dam, and it's very, it is a very important dam. It is the Mosul Dam that is located in Iraq.

• 2:10:39Speaker 02

  It's very huge, it's 300 meters tall, has a height of 300 meters, and 3 kilometers from one part to the other part of the dam. So it contains a huge amount of water from the upper side. There is the water that contains, and below there, there is the river that the water comes out from the reservoir that is on top. Why the Mosul Dam? The Mosul Dam has a problem.

• 2:11:13Speaker 02

  It has been built on a bed of jess, or how you say?

• 2:11:20Joe Rogan?

  Jepsum?

• 2:11:20Speaker 02

  Jepsum, yes. And the jepsum is, while it's in contact of water, it melts. So the Mosul Dam is dangerous because it has a serious problem of stabilization.

• 2:11:38Speaker 02

  In this case, there are a lot of, that's called satellites methods and synthetic virtual radar methods that are devoted to perform the so-called infrastructure monitoring. And in this case, the Mosul Dam is crucial to be observed by radar. In this case, I wanted to see the slide 37, please. Here. Inside the dam, look, there is a tunnel, the red line, the tunnel. And here we have, we have, we have people that are working inside the tunnel.

• 2:12:23Speaker 02

  And the task was, my technique, with my technique, is possible to detect the tunnel. We go in slide 38.

• 2:12:34Speaker 02

  Okay, and we see on the right top, there is the tunnel. Just to explain you, where you see red, the vibration energy is high, so it's red. When you see blue, the vibration energy is low. Okay, it's low. And inside the tunnel, because you have the air, you don't have vibration, so it's low. And so you see the tunnel.

• 2:12:59Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:13:00Speaker 02

  Okay. And so we were also able to detect, slide thirty-nine, also the principal facility that are located inside the dam, which are the turbines.

• 2:13:14Joe Rogan?

  The turbines.

• 2:13:15Speaker 02

  The turbines.

• 2:13:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:13:16Speaker 02

  And, and other stuff, and all the mechanical, the mechanical, uh, machines. This is the, all the mechanical machines that are located inside.

• 2:13:28Joe Rogan?

  Alright, so it's showing the accurate shape of the turbines as well. So this is just more proof that this technique works?

• 2:13:33Speaker 02

  Yes. And so we go, slide thirty-one. On slide thirty-one, okay, here, this is the Gran Sasso. How nice is this? It's for me very nice, because I, I born here.

• 2:13:46Joe Rogan?

  This is the particle collider.

• 2:13:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Inside the, the mountain, in the core of the mountain, there is the, the laboratory here. And, and the, the task was, can I detect the facility that is inside the mountain? And so, uh, we, we are now, uh, in the slide thirty-two and thirty-three. Okay. And we can see, okay, the facility, that is, ENFN is the Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare.

• 2:14:23Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, you see the shape of it in there.

• 2:14:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, National Institute of, of Nuclear Physics, the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics.

• 2:14:33Joe Rogan?

  And that's more than a kilometer deep into the mountain?

• 2:14:35Speaker 02

  One point four. And, yes, and slide thirty, thirty-five, we, we can see, we can see the, the laboratory.

• 2:14:44Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:14:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is the laboratory, yeah.

• 2:14:47Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. That's crazy. So using your techniques, you get an accurate depiction of the dimensions of this laboratory.

• 2:14:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:58Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:14:59Speaker 02

  And that that that triangle is called the interferometer. So when you have two lasers that and goes together and they they and it you can study the the pattern, the interference pattern that coherent signals are generating, you can use an interferometer, and that's the interferometer.

• 2:15:22Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:15:25Joe Rogan?

  This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing, and I feel like we're at the beginning of a very fascinating journey.

• 2:15:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:32Joe Rogan?

  You know, and I think that your work and this research and all the controversy is good. All the controversy around it is just going to make more people talk about it, more people discuss it, and more people understand. And it just seems to me that the more they research it, the more the mystery opens up, and that it is, without a doubt, one of the most astounding discoveries in human history.

• 2:15:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:15:53Joe Rogan?

  So.

• 2:15:55Speaker 02

  Thank you, Joe.

• 2:15:56Joe Rogan?

  Congratulations on discovering it, and thank you so much for all your hard work, because, I mean, like I said, is, to me, one of the most fascinating subjects. And, you know, what Graham always speaks of is that we are a species with amnesia.

• 2:16:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:16:10Joe Rogan?

  And.

• 2:16:11Speaker 02

  And I agree with this, with that.

• 2:16:13Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, and it's one of the reasons why so many people are mad at him, is because he was right. He was right in the 1990s, you know, and and as time goes on, he is being proven more and more to be correct, and things just seem to keep getting older.

• 2:16:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:16:28Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing. Thank you so much for being here.

• 2:16:30Speaker 02

  Thank you, Joe.

• 2:16:31Joe Rogan?

  I really, really appreciate your time, and I appreciate your work.

• 2:16:33Speaker 02

  Thank you for inviting me.

• 2:16:34Joe Rogan?

  My pleasure. Let's do it again, when more stuff comes out.

• 2:16:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:16:38Joe Rogan?

  All right.

• 2:16:38Speaker 02

  I'm here.

• 2:16:39Joe Rogan?

  If anybody wants to find more about this, where would you send them to? Is there a website that would give them more information if they want to do a deep dive?

• 2:16:47Speaker 02

  Yes, um, I have a personal website, which is harmonicsar.com, and I publish the app.

• 2:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Say that again, harmonics?

• 2:16:55Speaker 02

  Sar.com, yes.

• 2:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Harmonicsar.

• 2:16:57Speaker 02

  It's man, it's.

• 2:16:58Joe Rogan?

  Synthetic aperture radar, SAR. So harmonicsar.com.

• 2:17:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:17:03Joe Rogan?

  Filippo Biondi.

• 2:17:04Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:17:05Joe Rogan?

  You're the man. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Really appreciate you being here. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.

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