#2286 - Antonio Brown

Antonio Brown is a former professional football player, entertainer, and entrepreneur. https://x.com/AB84 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  What's up?

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  What's going on, man?

• 0:13Speaker 01

  How you doing, man? Good to see you, baby.

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  Papa, look at that ring.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  Good to see you.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Pleasure to meet you. The most fun follow on Twitter by far. Excuse me, X.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 0:24Joe Rogan?

  Whatever they want to call it. You're the most fun.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  Thank you, man. You made my job easy, you know? All that entertainment, you get me.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  How did you decide to start doing this? How did you? First of all, were you always this funny?

• 0:37Speaker 01

  I would like to think so.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  But like, you're a social media president. It's like, I forget. I think Tony Hinchcliffe told me about you. He's like, dude, you have to follow Antonio Brown. You must follow. He's the most must-follow on the internet. I'm like, really? And then I go to your page and I'm fucking dying laughing. We're sharing it around the green room with the comments. They're like, ah! And then when I won Cracker of the Day, I was like, yes!

• 1:04Speaker 01

  Yes! Of the year.

• 1:06Joe Rogan?

  Cracker of the year, that's right.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. I try to use X as a good platform to bring laughter, making, you know, bringing humor back and comedy. Making people feel good.

• 1:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can get wild.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I get a little wild sometimes.

• 1:17Joe Rogan?

  You can get wild on X.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, you could get a little wild on X, but I try to...

• 1:21Joe Rogan?

  Twitter, they would've got rid of you a long time ago.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you would've been canceled.

• 1:25Joe Rogan?

  They probably would've got rid of me too, if Elon didn't buy Twitter.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, we thanks Elon Musk for giving us that platform to be able to be expressive. You know, to bring, bring in comedy back, bring in entertainment.

• 1:34Joe Rogan?

  Fun! Just ridiculous shit. Have some fun again.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Have some fun again, yeah.

• 1:38Joe Rogan?

  What happened? Everybody tightened up for like five years.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  It was really tight.

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44Joe Rogan?

  So how did, how did you come up with hashtag CTESPN? Because that's my favorite.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  I feel like when I stopped playing football and I walked off the field, people was like, this guy's crazy, like, he's retarded.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  He's illiterate. So, you know, I was like, you know what? Maybe I could, you know, rebrand CTSBN, you know, giving people perspective of different challenges people face and

• 2:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Great individuals, how they overcome adversity. And just kind of share and tune perspective of, you know, how people is getting through trauma. No matter if you're a football player. I mean, what it's like for you, you started damn UC, UFC, you, yeah.

• 2:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  UFC like.

• 2:28Joe Rogan?

  You, the, the reality of head trauma is something that we're like, as a society, we're just embracing over the last ten, twenty years. Like, it wasn't for that concussion movie. I think that opened up a lot of people's eyes, that Will Smith movie.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  And the story, that doctor of him finding how many people have like significant brain trauma from football.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Yes. So for me, I try to use it, cause this is a serious standpoint. A lot of ex-players and players have actually has been diagnosing, you know, passed away from CT. So for me, you know, on a serious point of, you know, bringing a record awareness and bringing, you know, a reality standpoint of what athletes and people fighting or anyone in their daily lives facing from head trauma of just people writing them off, you know, and encouraging therapy, encouraging how do you get through tough situation and then making it funny. You know what I'm saying? Cause I feel like nowadays, if you do something crazy, people like, oh yeah, that guy's crazy. So it's like, let's just show why they crazy in CTSBN.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  And show, show the cause of the craziness. You know what I mean?

• 3:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there, I mean, there's a real cause, the craziness.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:43Joe Rogan?

  And we're ignoring it as society, cause we love football, we love MMA, we love boxing. You know, so we just kind of like

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Overlook it with the entertainment.

• 3:53Joe Rogan?

  Keep moving.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Keep hitting.

• 3:55Joe Rogan?

  I'm friends with a lot of dudes, so I get to see what they're like after fights. You know, like everybody watches the fight, the fight's amazing. And then, you know, you run into them after fights and have a conversation with them, like, oh man. Their whole head's swollen, can't move their hands, you know, can't walk, calves are blown out, knees fucked up, ice here, this, there.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  So the challenge.

• 4:18Joe Rogan?

  It's a challenge, man. It's a real challenge. And when you started playing football, nobody even thought about it.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz you just, you know, you never think about the repercussions. You just think, how I make a better life.

• 4:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, back then, nobody even really knew that that was gonna happen to football players. It was kind of a thing that they thought about with boxers. Rarely, people talked about football players who aren't doing so good.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I feel like CTSP was brought back to recognize the awareness of high-level people experiencing trauma and not being able to overcome that trauma cuz, you know, life's changing you in a second. You playing football, you know it's gonna come to an end and then, what do you do next?

• 4:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That's the hardest thing, right? For pro athletes, you go from being a kid to all of a sudden, you are making millions of dollars.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:05Joe Rogan?

  And you're young, and you're wild, and you're not thinking it's gonna go away, and then all your friends are buying jewelry. And all your friends are buying Mercedes-Benz and Bentley's and all this shit, and you're like, fuck. And I think the number was something like eighty-five percent of NFL players go bankrupt within X amount of years after retirement.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Exactly, cuz the lifestyle, you know, and making so much money and being able to transition in regards of having a new career and not making that much money all at once like you used to.

• 5:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  And I think sometimes bankrupt could be used to protect assets in regards of people coming after you too, you know, you're a big target when you in position.

• 5:45Joe Rogan?

  Of course, yeah, but that is another problem with getting wealthy is that you become vulnerable to scoundrels.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, scavengers.

• 5:52Joe Rogan?

  And dirty hoes.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, dirty hoe, dirtbag.

• 5:55Joe Rogan?

  Dirty, money-grabbing, like, calculated hoes.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:00Joe Rogan?

  You know, ones that, it's not just like, well, the relationship didn't work out, the lawyer told you can get some money from him. Maybe you should go for it. Yeah, fuck him. No, it's like, from the jump, they're calculated.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  These ladies these days, they gonna have, they gonna have a nigga baby cuz they homeless.

• 6:15Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, yeah.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta hit them and back to the streets where you belong, bitch.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 6:23Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever have situations where you thought like girls were trying to like get over on you?

• 6:28Speaker 01

  I just feel like nowadays, girls just want the BB, like the BBD, the biggest and better deal.

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:37Speaker 01

  It's like, you know what I'm saying?

• 6:38Joe Rogan?

  That's built into human nature.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, yeah, human nature is like, what's the next best thing?

• 6:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's called hypergamy. It's like a natural state that women.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Stay in, right?

• 6:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, they, they look for, like if, if you're doing okay, but then all of a sudden she starts working for a billionaire and he gets divorced and he's real friendly to her, next thing you know, she starts.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  It's the op.

• 6:59Joe Rogan?

  She starts picturing that closet.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Seeing the op, right?

• 7:01Joe Rogan?

  She starts picturing that closet, seeing all those shoes and purses and all that jewelry.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  She start licking chops going to the movie theater.

• 7:09Joe Rogan?

  He's actually nicer to me than my boyfriend. And then they start justifying it and next thing you know, old gentleman millionaire.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  She's going to the movie theater.

• 7:18Joe Rogan?

  It's hypergamy, yeah. It's a, a natural state that, uh, some women, I mean, obviously there's great women out there with character and morals and they don't do that, but it's a natural thing that women do. They try to find a better, better suitor.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Bigger and better deal.

• 7:32Joe Rogan?

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• 9:07Joe Rogan?

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• 10:34Speaker 01

  I feel like to me, I always knew like the game was gonna come to an end. And I feel like to me, I always played the game smart as a receiver, not putting myself in bad positions getting hit. But I did have a chance to, you know... Rest in peace to Maryas Thomas, one of the ex-receivers who came in the NFL around the time I came in. I had a chance to see him experience, you know what I'm saying, some of that CTE trauma and intimate.

• 10:58Joe Rogan?

  How did he pass?

• 10:59Speaker 01

  From CTE.

• 11:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:01Joe Rogan?

  He passed from CTE?

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, when they studied his brain, yeah, because I don't want to speak about the problems that he really had, but.

• 11:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  You know, being a close friend to him, you know, we seen some of the experience that he was going through. And playing for temper my last year when we won the Super Bowl, I think it had a player, Vincent Jackson, rest in peace, also passed from CTE. So for me, you know, it's a real thing.

• 11:25Joe Rogan?

  It's a real thing.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  And not only just from the hits you take, but like you said, aftermath of

• 11:30Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  your career, or, you know, having a moment in your career where some guys can't get over it, or, you know, you done seen fighters have a fight, or it may not go the way that they wanted to go, and it may

• 11:41Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  could possibly affect the outcome or how they look at it. And I feel like we all have traumas in our lives from all, no matter if you play sports or not.

• 11:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  So just raising awareness of getting mental therapy and being able to, you know, work on yourself so you could have a better life.

• 11:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's an important point you brought up, like the psychology of an athlete. You have to learn how to like put losses behind you and failures behind you and regain your confidence and then excel and move forward.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:09Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 12:09Speaker 01

  You just gotta not let one moment overtake the overall moments of your career.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Because some moments are big moments and, you know, if you get cut, little things that happen in your career, just take it with a grain of salt and be able to cope with the situations you're in, you know?

• 12:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. When did you, I mean, you talked pretty openly about CTE, but when did you start feeling the effects of that?

• 12:34Speaker 01

  I feel like for me, I feel like for me, I don't really. I feel like I always was in tune and, you know, aware of my situation and where I'm at in life. You know, I've been pretty blessed in my regards of being a football player to be able to come from Central Michigan as a walk-on to Central Michigan, leave three years, go to the Steelers being the second receiver pick in that year. And then, you know, I always had a high belief in myself and never was deteriorated about the position or where I had to start from or where I was going. So for me, I always had the intuitive trust and the belief in myself regarding any situation I've been in because, you know, I came from Liberty City from nothing. So to me, everything's a blessing.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  So I never let football or any position I ever was in in life deteriorate my perspective and my outlook or how I looked at.

• 13:23Joe Rogan?

  Did you feel the way your brain work changed at all, though?

• 13:28Speaker 01

  No, I feel like the older you get playing sport, you realize deteriorate, you know what I'm saying? What the game entails on your body. I feel like in my twenties, I was just ripping through, you know, dominating the game.

• 13:40Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  Then when you get thirty, you know what I'm saying? Obviously, it's a business. They're looking for younger players to excel at the game. And then when you leave one of the best teams and put yourself in a position to, you know, to do what's important for you other than important for the NFL, so you know what's gonna come with that. So to me, I always made the calculated decisions, you know what I mean? Put myself in the best position, i.e. like playing with Tom Brady, you know, going to the Pacers or leaving the Steelers or, you know, always try to just, knew I wasn't gonna play for a long time. Just maximize the moment in the meantime, playing so when I'm done playing, I could live a healthy life.

• 14:17Joe Rogan?

  So you played smart.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Gotta play smart.

• 14:20Joe Rogan?

  And as a receiver, man, they're coming for you.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta play smart.

• 14:23Joe Rogan?

  That's a, that's target numero uno.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:26Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 14:27Speaker 01

  All the way.

• 14:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Do you encounter a lot of young guys or like, you know, I'm sure you run into like, and you definitely did while you were playing, young guys are coming in and you feel like compelled to let them know? Like, hey, this is, you got a short amount of time here. Nobody, nobody, the longest anybody that ever lasts is like Brady. Like, what's he now? He's like, he's thinking about. Doing it again. He's like, what is he, forty three?

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Forty four probably, yeah.

• 14:51Joe Rogan?

  Quarterback's a little different, right?

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:53Joe Rogan?

  A lot different, right? And they they have longer careers, but you know, it's obviously for most people. You hit, you start hitting your thirties, that's the same thing with fighters as well. When they pass thirty five, that's the cutoff. Thirty five, you're always looking for decline and some of them hanging there strong. Like Alex Pereira, he's thirty seven, he's hanging in there strong. Killing everybody, but for most guys, thirty five, thirty six, that's the drop off, thirty seven. Do you feel like compelled to talk to the young guys and like?

• 15:23Speaker 01

  Absolutely, because it's it's a short window opportunity.

• 15:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  And you gotta know, like, what do you set out to do? You know what I mean? What do you came to do? You gotta have those challenges and just, you know, it's a long game.

• 15:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Life is a long game, so I.

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, football's a chapter, life's a long game, and it could be the most fun chapter of your whole life.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  But it's it's not real life.

• 15:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  Football is just what you do, it's really not who you is, but I feel like people will kinda get to know you from what you do based off, you know what I mean?

• 15:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, of course, yeah. The other thing is that like some guys, they have a real problem when they stop playing because they don't know who they are anymore. They used to be a football player and now all of a sudden they're just a regular person who was a football player.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  And that's and that's some part of the trauma as well, you know, some guys.

• 16:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  It's not really in tune and knowing theyself in regard of who they is and to me, I always knew football was gonna come to an end. We don't have unlimited health and I go back to the trauma, which is understand who you are and um. Make yourself happy, you know?

• 16:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, it's um, it's interesting to see that some people can navigate it and they figure out how to do it. And they get through life and then they move on to other things and they start doing commentary on ESPN or what have you and they're doing great and then. Most people, that's not the case.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why I say I recommend people who get therapy and you know, end of your career. Have good people in your corner that, you know, got your back that could still help you propel in life and.

• 16:52Joe Rogan?

  Did you get therapy when you were done?

• 16:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure, you gotta get therapy.

• 16:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 16:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:57Joe Rogan?

  What did you specifically go to talk to them about?

• 17:01Speaker 01

  Just how you feel, you know, mental clarity, you know, emotional feelings. You know, I feel like waking up and being a football player when you did it every day and you wake up with so much energy ready to put it out.

• 17:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  Just learning how to channel it, you know, learning how to deal with some relationships that maybe changed now that you're not in a position and how to deal with that or, you know, how to deal with people leveraging you, you know what I mean, for what you got now and

• 17:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Just a lot of different things that just provide mental clarity and just, because life's not about just being right, just figuring out ways to just be more happy.

• 17:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. Did you have a plan when you stopped? Like, did you know what you were gonna do?

• 17:41Speaker 01

  I didn't know what I was gonna do, but it kinda just like happened, you know, I was making music with the distribution label with video. So soon as I walked out the field, they released the music, I ended up linking with Kanye West right after.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  After that, I was doing Rolling Louds, after that, you know what I'm saying, so. For me, I was grateful, you know, soon as I walked off the field, music song dropped.

• 18:07Joe Rogan?

  How'd you link up with Kanye?

• 18:09Speaker 01

  Man, he was looking for me right when I walked off the field.

• 18:11Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 18:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, they was calling me, Justin La Boy, like, calling me in New York, like, yo, Kanye wanna meet you. I ended up flying to L.A. with, to meet Rich with Fashion Nova. And we met right in Craig's, randomly in Craig's, but he was looking for me in L.A. and after that, ended up hanging with him, making his album Down to Two.

• 18:33Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Just getting opportunities, so.

• 18:35Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  I'm blessed to be able to have that happen for me, you know.

• 18:38Joe Rogan?

  What is it like working with Kanye? Because I gotta imagine that motherfucker's driven.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  A lot of energy, genius, meetings at eight o'clock, all the music.

• 18:47Joe Rogan?

  Eight a.m. or eight p.m.?

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Eight a.m.

• 18:49Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Every day, yeah.

• 18:50Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 18:51Speaker 01

  All the engineers there, everyone on the team.

• 18:54Joe Rogan?

  That's unusual, rappers at eight a.m.?

• 18:56Speaker 01

  Nah, Kanye is really a business guy who put in a lot of work. I know a lot of people see his rants and him going off, but he's really passionate about his work and

• 19:05Joe Rogan?

  He's a genius.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:07Joe Rogan?

  He's just scattered, he's all over the place and sometimes he goes a little off, a little out, off the reservation.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  I feel like he think in a lot of forms.

• 19:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  So many areas he like to think so.

• 19:17Joe Rogan?

  You don't make music like that consistently unless you got a very different mind. That dude has a very different mind. All of his shit, he doesn't have one bad album. His new album's not getting enough love.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz I feel like people wanna know where is he at, where is he at.

• 19:33Joe Rogan?

  He's killing it still. This music is killing it. This new shit is killing it. I wish he didn't sell swastika t-shirts on his website, but. He does that to fuck with people. He does that to fuck with people. Like, that's part of the fun of being Kanye. Yeah, it's part of the fun of being Kanye. He's getting people to talk about him. He puts an ad on the Super Bowl. You go to the website, he's selling swastika t-shirts. Like, what the fuck?

• 19:58Speaker 01

  The hell is this?

• 20:00Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy, but the music is undeniable. Over and over and over again, it's undeniable. Every album. He's not, he doesn't have one dud. They're all bangers. They're all bangers.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  All fire.

• 20:12Joe Rogan?

  And the new one, after all the shit he's been through, the new one is a banger. We play that shit in the green room all the time. It's a banger.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's all gas.

• 20:21Joe Rogan?

  All gas, no brakes. But 8 a.m. meetings for rappers is very unusual.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  I mean, he's more than a rapper. I think he's just a creative genius. He makes beats, he's in fashion, shoes.

• 20:32Joe Rogan?

  Of course, yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  Just creative, lucrative, man. I feel like he's really passionate about.

• 20:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the rapper's just one extension of his creativity. Yeah, he can do whatever the fuck he wants. I just wish he would stop selling swastika t-shirts.

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, he gotta come it down. I told him.

• 20:47Joe Rogan?

  What did I tell him? Brown's telling you gotta come it down.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I told him, God is love, man. You know, he's really in tune spirit with God, so I told him, man, God is love, be love.

• 20:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what I think? I think Kanye feels attacked, and when he feels attacked, he fires back. And then, then you develop this antagonistic relationship with the media, with, with some of your fans, you know, with all the people that are upset at you. You know, he feels, he feels like cornered and attacked and, and not appreciated. And then he fires at people and starts saying wild shit and then puts masks on and does he just?

• 21:28Joe Rogan?

  He's a brilliant fucking guy.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's amazing.

• 21:30Joe Rogan?

  When he came to do the podcast, unfortunately, um, at the time, Jamie caught COVID. Like the early, early days and Jamie couldn't be here. So we wound up doing it in my studio, but what he wanted to do was build a studio that looked like a womb.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Now, he loves, he loves like settings and hot stuff, looks, shapes.

• 21:49Joe Rogan?

  Design.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Designs.

• 21:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  He probably sent a hundred images every day, just different designs.

• 21:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he sent me sketches and shit of what he's working on.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  You should see his workout, like he draws on work, like a whole comic.

• 22:01Joe Rogan?

  A comic book of his workouts?

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Like he got, it's retarded, he's just so.

• 22:06Joe Rogan?

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• 24:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 24:11Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:12Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's how you become a guy that's that successful in so many different areas. You have to be driven.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  You gotta be driven, man.

• 24:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  You gotta get on that bike and exercise that cardio like he's.

• 24:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  You got agility. You got that agility just up and on it.

• 24:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I feel like that kind of brain, though, is like a Ferrari engine. Like, you gotta know how to handle that. You gotta know how to handle that thing. You're gonna go into the woods. You're gonna spin off the road and hit a fucking tree. And that's the problem with a guy like Kanye. It's just like his brain has more horsepower than the average brain. And, you know, he's on a road where everybody else is going thirty-five miles an hour and he's like, get the fuck out of my way.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:55Joe Rogan?

  You know, because he's got that Ferrari engine, but that engine, you will spin out. You, the tires won't hold. You will take a corner too fast. Yeah, you'll go sideways.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  And it's the crash out bucket right here.

• 25:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what's with the helmet? Why'd you, why'd you, why'd you choose the helmet?

• 25:11Speaker 01

  I feel like this is one of the lucrative helmets that they wear when they go to war.

• 25:15Joe Rogan?

  Lucrative?

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, lucrative. You know, this is the crash out buckets because I feel like when you wear this helmet, you already crashed out. It's like you committed to the crash out.

• 25:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. You're all in.

• 25:27Speaker 01

  All in. So I feel like we at war right now with the Democrats.

• 25:37Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy to say?

• 25:39Speaker 01

  I know, but...

• 25:40Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy to say, but I know exactly what you're saying.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 25:42Joe Rogan?

  I just can't believe people say it, and it's true.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  It's wildlife right now.

• 25:46Joe Rogan?

  What is hap- like, the Democrats are now the Republicans.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Yes, wow.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  They're the ones trying to control speech.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  They didn't even clap for the little kid.

• 25:53Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  That was bullshit.

• 25:55Joe Rogan?

  They didn't clap for the little kid, they didn't clap for the lady who got fucked up by that volleyball player that was a dude. Yeah, they didn't clap for Lake and Riley who got murdered by the illegals.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was crazy.

• 26:05Joe Rogan?

  It's just we're so divided. It's so, that's, you can't clap for a little kid who survived cancer. What the fuck is wrong with you?

• 26:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, where your heart at?

• 26:12Joe Rogan?

  But he's, he's on their side, so you can't clap for this little kid? Like, you're upset. This little kid's watching you not clap at him. That's crazy. That's a little child.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, hurting his heart.

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  A child with cancer, and you can't, you can't put your shit aside to give that kid some love? That's crazy.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that's, yeah, that's...

• 26:31Joe Rogan?

  We got, we have to stop the division in this country, and it's feel, I feel like people are digging in their trenches. They're, they're digging in deeper and deeper, and really, we should be encouraging the opposite.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:42Joe Rogan?

  Most of what people are arguing about all day long in politics is not affecting your life. It's bullshit.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  It's all bullshit.

• 26:49Joe Rogan?

  It's bullshit, and, and you could get caught up in it, and it could become your whole life, and you will waste your life thinking about that stuff, instead of thinking about stuff that you actually have control over.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 27:00Joe Rogan?

  Your family, your friends, your life, yeah. Stuff that's actually important, which is what you should be thinking about most of the time.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Reality.

• 27:09Joe Rogan?

  But some people, they think about that, and then think, "Yeah, what are these motherfuckers doing behind the scenes? They're stealing my fucking taxes, doing this, and bringing in the illegals, and what are they doing with the trans kids?"

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Non-stop.

• 27:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's non-stop, man.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  That's why we gotta bring comedy and love back, and then Joy Boo Laughs on X, making people...

• 27:28Joe Rogan?

  Were you on Twitter before Elon bought it?

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was on there before.

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  Did you get in trouble at all? Or would you take it on the DL back then, like, a little lighter?

• 27:36Speaker 01

  Nah, obviously, back then, I was representing the NFL, and some, some stuff I can't really talk on and speak on when you represent a team.

• 27:44Joe Rogan?

  Right, if you were representing the NFL right now?

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta get the fuck out of it.

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some of the shit you write is wild.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you get wild. But it's funny.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:54Joe Rogan?

  That's like, that's what I go to Twitter for.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Comedy for laughs.

• 27:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  We don't wanna stress people. I wanted people to come to my X page and fucking ball out your ass.

• 28:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So when you did the awards.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:07Joe Rogan?

  Like, uh, who put that together?

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Me and my guy, uh, Jacob. We put it together.

• 28:11Joe Rogan?

  Genius.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:12Joe Rogan?

  Genius.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  That was amazing.

• 28:13Joe Rogan?

  And everybody loved it. It was huge.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think it was bigger than the award show or the Oscars. I feel like we had a lot of numbers.

• 28:19Joe Rogan?

  You had a lot of numbers on X, man. Like, a lot of people watched that. What was the final numbers on that?

• 28:24Speaker 01

  I think almost, uh, 200 million engagement.

• 28:26Joe Rogan?

  That is so crazy.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  On the X, yeah.

• 28:29Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy. But it's fun. People are starving for fun.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  They need excitement.

• 28:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Little uncomfortable, but a little cool. Cause we make uncomfortability cool when it's like, damn.

• 28:39Joe Rogan?

  Also, you're doing it all with a big smile.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  It's happiness, man.

• 28:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're having a good time.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, good time. Making people feel good.

• 28:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  That's what we need more of.

• 28:47Joe Rogan?

  Are you gonna do more award shows?

• 28:49Speaker 01

  I need to. We need to do more, especially if you a part of it. If you gonna come, support it, of course.

• 28:53Joe Rogan?

  I'll support. I'll, I'll get a bunch of guys to come, too.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  We need to do a real experience, like a real show awards where we have it.

• 29:00Joe Rogan?

  I feel like you could do it every quarter. You could do like, once a quarter.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Every three, three months, yeah.

• 29:04Joe Rogan?

  Why not? Get some sponsors. Let's go. You know, because like, that's a legitimate show. Like, fuck all these other award shows. Like, I didn't watch the Oscars.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  So much politics. It's not even fun.

• 29:14Joe Rogan?

  I know. They're talking about politics and Ukraine and this and Gaza and Palestine. Uh, you're making movies. Just make your fucking movies.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  Hey, just go right to the theaters and keep it going.

• 29:25Joe Rogan?

  This what we did. We work real hard. Everybody, thank you, everybody, for all your hard work. Yay, we won. That's it.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 29:31Joe Rogan?

  That's all I wanna hear from you.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  That's all I wanna hear.

• 29:33Joe Rogan?

  I'm not interested in someone who lies for a living, cause that's what they do. They pretend to be somebody else for a living.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:39Joe Rogan?

  Tell me how I should view the world. I like to go to other people for that, please. Thank you.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  You're welcome.

• 29:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're, you fucking people are just, you're just actors. Just cause you're famous doesn't mean what you have to say is important.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 29:52Joe Rogan?

  Especially at a fucking award show. Imagine like, taking your time and you're gonna use that award show to denounce, polaxx. Politics and proclaim your platform like

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Just ruin shit.

• 30:05Joe Rogan?

  Boring.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Superboring.

• 30:07Joe Rogan?

  Boring. Yours is fun. You could have a giant audience. You could have musical performers like

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Have a real show.

• 30:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  People look forward to and feel happy about.

• 30:17Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  It made people feel good for doing great things, man.

• 30:20Joe Rogan?

  Yes. And it's also like, the fun thing about you doing something like that too is it lets other people know like, oh, I could cut loose too.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can be a little open.

• 30:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  Have a little comedy fun.

• 30:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe someone will pay attention to me. Maybe I can crack some good jokes and have some fun.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Some good humor to bring people together.

• 30:39Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Well, that's one cool thing that I am seeing from a lot of former athletes. They're starting podcasts.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. I like the podcast. This world is space.

• 30:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like, it's a good way for guys to just sit around and shoot the shit and

• 30:53Speaker 01

  Be expressive.

• 30:54Joe Rogan?

  Look at Pat McAfee. I mean, he's fucking killing it.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, Pat, take it to a whole new level after the career. Exactly.

• 30:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's like a great example of what's possible for a lot of former athletes.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:04Joe Rogan?

  Especially fun guys like you.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:06Joe Rogan?

  Have you thought about doing a podcast?

• 31:07Speaker 01

  I would love to. I started, I just started a little one on CTSBN, but I didn't do it.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  I feel like I don't want to be the guy that's just talking about

• 31:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  I feel like sometimes I get a little watered down when you just

• 31:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  Talking too much. I feel like as a player, I always was about action. I love to talk and be funny and creative, but sometimes it depends on, you know, what is, what's the seriousness and the purpose coming behind it or what is, what's the meaning?

• 31:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, believe me, I know. I talk too much. I talk four or five days a week sometimes.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  No, but your opinion is really good. I like seeing you give your opinion and you always, you always real. You're a realist.

• 31:44Joe Rogan?

  I try to keep it real. Yeah.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  Keep it official or tell the truth how they feeling. So, you know, it's always amazing to be here with you on a

• 31:53Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  Experience here is real.

• 31:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, I feel very fortunate that my job depends on me being real.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:58Joe Rogan?

  So, you like, you don't have an option to not be real.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  A lot of people can't really pay that price. Like, how do you come to a source for yourself where you could just be a hundred percent genuine about like, how you feel and who you is?

• 32:10Joe Rogan?

  I kind of always have been that way. I think that's my CTE.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  I love that. That's your trauma just been your real self.

• 32:16Joe Rogan?

  Young, man. I got hit in the head a lot. And I think, uh, all my years of sparring and fighting, I think rattled something loose. It rattled the give a fuck part loose. Whereas like, uh, I don't care as much if other people are mad at me as some people do. I don't care as much. I mean, it doesn't, I don't like it. I don't like it if people are upset at me, but it doesn't ruin my life like it does with some people. I can just like, okay.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Stay true to yourself, whatever.

• 32:42Joe Rogan?

  Also, I think I have enough real world perspective to know what's actually important in this life. And it's not really necessarily other people's opinions, especially the type of opinions of people that get upset all the time about everything. They're not valuable opinions. So even if they're making you out to be the worst person that's ever lived, like, according to them, but they're idiots. Like, you have to, you have to be able to have perspective and

• 33:09Speaker 01

  sadly.

• 33:09Joe Rogan?

  if you feel a certain way and you don't tell people, if you think a certain way, you don't tell people, you're doing a disservice to you, you're doing a disservice to them. Like, nobody is, nobody's benefiting from that. Nobody.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  No one's benefiting, you got them back.

• 33:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  To be your true self, or... So how do you handle criticism? You just handle it with the achievement, right? Just don't say nothing, right?

• 33:34Joe Rogan?

  Just keep on going.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  It's keep going. Achieve more, right?

• 33:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this thing called life gonna keep on rolling. Just like, just ignore it. I mean, if I, I'm my worst critic, so if I have a bad show, if I do something I don't like or wish I didn't do, I am upset at myself more than other people are gonna be anyway.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Now, you're a realist.

• 33:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so I'm not interested in the opinions of people that are easily upset by almost anything.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  How do you feel about crypto, man? You got Phantom Wallet? How do you get your money in crypto?

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, Jamie and I have been talking about starting our own bullshit coin.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  That'd be dope.

• 34:08Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 34:10Speaker 01

  Not bullshit coin?

• 34:11Joe Rogan?

  I thought you were gonna do a pulling up Jamie coin.

• 34:14Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  What about the butt coin? You heard of butt coin?

• 34:16Joe Rogan?

  No, what's butt coin?

• 34:17Speaker 01

  The dodging the dog's coin?

• 34:20Speaker 01

  Dodging the, I read a show today, dodging the dog's coin. I mean, it's a bunch of coins.

• 34:24Joe Rogan?

  There's like a million coins, right?

• 34:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like a million coins out here.

• 34:28Joe Rogan?

  How many coins are there? How many like meme coins? It's over?

• 34:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 34:32Speaker 01

  The meme coin?

• 34:33Speaker 04

  It all fell apart, like

• 34:34Joe Rogan?

  When? This week?

• 34:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:37Joe Rogan?

  Jamie?

• 34:39Joe Rogan?

  For real?

• 34:39Speaker 01

  Everyday it fell apart.

• 34:40Joe Rogan?

  Why did it fall apart?

• 34:41Speaker 04

  Because it's nonsense.

• 34:44Joe Rogan?

  I hope we didn't ruin it by talking about it.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  Sure we could have, I don't know.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  I'm thinking about launching a meme coin.

• 34:50Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't know, I'm not making any accusations.

• 34:53Joe Rogan?

  Portnoy kind of exposed it.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  It's all, it's, it all, it's over.

• 34:55Joe Rogan?

  Cause Portnoy was the only one that was looking at going, "Am I going to jail? Like, is this legal?"

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like you should, I was thinking about launching a coin myself that's really legit, that you don't own, you, you don't sell it, you don't rip it, that way if it tanked, they make their money. I feel like you could go to focus dot X Y Z A B and check it out.

• 35:14Joe Rogan?

  Is that yours?

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so, um, so you promised not to pump and dump?

• 35:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, no pump and dump, it's unruggable, like, nobody could pump and dump it.

• 35:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you can't pull the rug out?

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't pull the rug out, so that way it just stay and grows. Cause that's why I feel like, that's what people get in trouble with all these coins, just pumping down. People don't wanna be scammed, the fucked over, manipulated. So I feel like you gotta have, for me, to make one coin, I feel like, we gotta make one that won't sell a tank, unguardable one that you could focus on. I think I'm gonna put it out now, it's on focus dot X Y Z slash A B.

• 35:49Joe Rogan?

  There was, um, this one coin that Hamzat Chamaya, the UFC fighter, released, that was, uh, they, they were claiming that he did a pump and dump, and there was like, "You ripped off your fans." I'm like, man, you can't rip off your fans, obviously, but also, I don't know if the people that are buying those coins are fans. I think they're gamblers. I think those people are just gamblers, and they're just trying to figure out, okay, if I buy in now, and, you know, they're fucking, they probably got like their finger over the sell button, waiting for it to get to a certain number.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  And it cash out.

• 36:20Joe Rogan?

  And cash out.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  It's like the casino at that point.

• 36:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 100%, but it's, it's more rigged than the casino, because the casino, like, the person playing it can't rig it. But this, the person playing it is rigging it, the person buying the coins can rig it. Like, if you, especially if you get a famous guy like Hamzat, or someone else to tweet about it and make it a big deal, and then the price goes up, and then you just... Pick a peak, peak number, and when it hits that number, like, that's it?

• 36:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't fuck people over people, no one's feeling good, fuck, without their

• 36:55Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Decision.

• 36:56Joe Rogan?

  But also, who are these people, and why'd they think they were gonna make money on bullshit coins?

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't get it.

• 37:01Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is, are we, you know what I'm saying?

• 37:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:04Joe Rogan?

  Like, do we, are we mad at the casino when someone blows all their money playing roulette? No. We're like, well, that's what you signed up for. Like, you could've won money, like, people win money on roulette.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:15Joe Rogan?

  Or they don't. But if you lose all your money roulette, we're not mad at the casino.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:19Joe Rogan?

  So why are we mad when someone loses their money in meme coins? You know, it's like, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen?

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Took a gamble.

• 37:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you, you're literally buying a coin that's like a little doggy face. And you, you, you took your whole, you took your whole life savings and you gambled on a doggy face coin? That's what, a fake money coin? Explain that to me.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  Dumbass of the day.

• 37:44Joe Rogan?

  That's dumbass of the day.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally.

• 37:45Joe Rogan?

  Right? It's like, I, and again, I feel terrible for anybody who got tricked into doing that shit, but I think most of those people are not getting tricked, they're like scamming.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:54Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to like figure out, they're hustling, they're trying to figure out when to buy, when to sell.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Make it big.

• 37:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But the weird thing is, like, a guy like Portnoy can tweet about a coin, and then, once he makes that post, the coin goes up, and then he sells, and he makes a million dollars. He's like, is that okay? Like, is that legal? Well, it turns out it is legal.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:13Joe Rogan?

  That's totally legal to do.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:15Joe Rogan?

  But like, shouldn't there be some fucking regulations? Cause you can't do that with a lot of things.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:20Joe Rogan?

  If you did that with the stock market, wouldn't you be in trouble if you did that with the stock market? Like, if you tweeted about a stock, and then that stock went up, and then you sold right away? Like, you'd be like, I'm bullish on this stock, and then that stock goes up, and then you sell right away? Is that a pump and dump? It is, right?

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:35Joe Rogan?

  It's not? Is that totally legal?

• 38:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It's legal.

• 38:39Joe Rogan?

  Talk into the microphone, bro.

• 38:40Speaker 04

  I have no idea why that wouldn't be illegal, but that's, you can't, that's not pumping.

• 38:43Joe Rogan?

  But it, but you're promoting it, right?

• 38:45Speaker 04

  That's not pumping, no. Pumping literally is you're putting money up.

• 38:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so you're putting money to elevate the price?

• 38:52Speaker 04

  It has to be seen, it has to be something to look at, yeah.

• 38:56Joe Rogan?

  So, so that's the question. So it all starts out with some real money?

• 38:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta put something in on it. You can't just start off, you gotta have your money.

• 39:04Joe Rogan?

  How much money?

• 39:05Speaker 01

  How much ever you could put.

• 39:06Joe Rogan?

  How much does a coin, like?

• 39:08Speaker 04

  It all starts, it literally depends. That's, it's over, I'm telling you, this is over. It's not worth learning it now, but...

• 39:13Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's funny. It's over. You know what that means? That means Jamie's stockpiling coins. He's trying to bring down the price. Don't you feel it?

• 39:19Speaker 01

  He's trying to get it low, so he can get the ups.

• 39:22Joe Rogan?

  He's trying to bring down the price.

• 39:23Speaker 04

  If I was, that's, that's not how this game works. It's literally the opposite of how it would work if that's what I was trying to do.

• 39:29Joe Rogan?

  We love you.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  I see, I seen you get high with Elon Musk on here, he hit the joint, and it's like...

• 39:34Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  He hit the...

• 39:36Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Allegedly, yeah, allegedly. I like that.

• 39:38Joe Rogan?

  He got in trouble for that. Cause he has top secret clearance.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I figured he was...

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  Think about that, we can't show that on YouTube anymore. YouTube is, uh...

• 39:46Speaker 01

  YouTube is not like in the smoke...

• 39:47Joe Rogan?

  YouTube is taking some, some precautions.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Make sure Bay Smokes, man, 50 states, it's the crack of pack, yes.

• 39:55Joe Rogan?

  Is legal in 50 states?

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Yes, Bay Smokes.

• 39:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't even wanna ask how, I just trust you.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  Bay Smokes, Bay Smokes.

• 40:00Joe Rogan?

  How's it legal in 50 states? I'm gonna ask how.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Bay Smokes.

• 40:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 40:03Speaker 01

  Bay Smokes, you gotta explain us, I know how it's legal.

• 40:06Joe Rogan?

  How?

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Bay Smokes got the paperwork.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  He figured it out.

• 40:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, it all should be legal.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  He sell hemp as well.

• 40:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  So that was the key about it. To be able to get the clearance in 50 states, Bay Smokes.

• 40:19Joe Rogan?

  I don't know how the DEA feels about that, but I feel like, um, we're just a few years away from it being completely legal. I know Kamala was saying that she wanted to make it legal if she got into office.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the best thing she ever said.

• 40:31Joe Rogan?

  I hope Trump does it too.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'd be cool.

• 40:34Joe Rogan?

  I really do, cause it's stupid.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Thank you, brother.

• 40:36Joe Rogan?

  It's, I mean, if you don't wanna smoke pot, don't smoke pot. If you don't wanna drink whiskey, don't drink whiskey.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  She had choice.

• 40:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just give people choice. Don't, and don't tell me it's all bad for you. Stop, you don't know. You don't know. You obviously don't smoke weed, shut your mouth.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  You did.

• 40:52Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna make you lazy and ru- ruin the children. No, no, you have lazy kids. You get kids high, they get paranoid. When they get paranoid, they work harder.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  They're going, they start getting going.

• 41:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you start picturing yourself old in your deathbed, like, what did I do? Like, oh my god, I gotta get to work.

• 41:09Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes a little paranoia is good for you.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, you need that. That gonna put that fire on you to get go get going.

• 41:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, comfort is the worst poison that a man can consume.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  Don't seek comfort.

• 41:19Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Commit to be the difference.

• 41:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can enjoy comfort when you earn it. You know, long days work, you wanna come home, sit in front of the television, watch a little Netflix, have a good time, have a nice meal at a restaurant. Yeah, yeah, you earned that. But don't think that's what you want out of life. I just wanna retire and drink. Jordan Peterson talked about this. He said, what's your vision of retirement? It's like, is your vision of retirement, sitting on the beach, drinking margaritas? Like, how long do you think you can do that for?

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Maybe a day.

• 41:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, two days, a week, two weeks.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  Life is always.

• 41:54Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna be depressed. You have no purpose in life?

• 41:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:58Joe Rogan?

  I think the problem really is that a lot of people don't have any purpose while they're working. Like, a lot of people aren't fortunate to pursue a career in football and to be, you know, a podcaster or something they enjoy. They're doing something that sucks, so they can't wait until they don't have to do the thing that sucks. And they think, oh, I could just be free, just to lay around and do nothing, like, man, you better find something to do. You better go play golf.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  Life's always about being driven. The moment you think is you can stop and just not do nothing, then

• 42:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  you're gonna be stopped. You gotta keep going.

• 42:30Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:31Joe Rogan?

  That's what I tell all my friends that start getting successful. You know, people like, oh, you made it, you can relax now. I go, listen to me, there is no made it.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  You made it when you're done.

• 42:40Joe Rogan?

  There's no, there's no made it. Made it is not real. It is just life.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 42:45Joe Rogan?

  You live in life, you're successful, good. That means you have an obligation to work harder to keep it rolling.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Hold up, that's standard. You gotta standard to it.

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  You gotta keep going. You gotta push it harder now. But there's no made it. There's no fucking

• 42:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 42:57Joe Rogan?

  holding hands and walking out into the sunset.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  That's just a mentality for people in that content match.

• 43:03Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Wanting to be content regardless of everything's done, right?

• 43:07Joe Rogan?

  Yes, they wanna get off work.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 43:10Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is. They wanna get off work and relax.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  They wanna go do some. On their own time.

• 43:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because most people are not really living, they're just surviving. They're just existing.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Doing what they have to do.

• 43:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and the only time they feel like they're living is they're hanging out with their friends. Having fun, rela- but you can't do that professionally. So you gotta find something, you gotta find something you enjoy as much as your hobbies. Figure out how to do that.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  Gotta live life, you know what I mean, healthy.

• 43:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Exhale, what you eat.

• 43:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 43:38Joe Rogan?

  Yes. When you first started posting wild shit on Twitter, did anybody ever call you and go, hey man, you gotta stop?

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Of course, everyone. They're like, bro, what the fu- They're like, calling my phone like, bro, you idiot, you calling people crackers now? I'm like, bro, it's uncomfortable, it's just a humor for comedy, bro.

• 43:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, cracker is the most benign of all insults. That doesn't work at all.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, it's like, everyone love crackers.

• 44:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no one's upset.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Rich crackers, Cheez-Its.

• 44:05Joe Rogan?

  No one's upset.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  I just feel like when they first started, when I first started, they're like, what the hell was you doing? Or a faggot out of the day, they're like, whoa.

• 44:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? I was like, you know what, it's not meant to like, it's meant to bring people up to say like, yo, we could have a funny moment, like.

• 44:25Joe Rogan?

  For fun.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fun.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, enjoy yourself, man.

• 44:28Joe Rogan?

  Enjoy yourself, yeah, we, we need a lot more of that. And, but I think, you know, we were conditioned because of the way the old Twitter worked, to be very careful of what you said. Very cautious of what you said, and also, there was real consequences.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:42Joe Rogan?

  You wouldn't just get banned from Twitter, you might get banned from Facebook and everything else as well, and then get labeled a dangerous person.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  I remember when one of my football friends, uh, Rashad Minahal, back in the days, he tweeted, it was like 2012, he tweeted about like 9/11. When he was playing, and I remember right away. They had like the fez call on his phone, newspaper, it was, it was crazy.

• 45:08Joe Rogan?

  What did he say?

• 45:09Speaker 01

  He just like, I don't think we should be celebrating, um, the death, I think, uh, the death of Osama bin Laden. I think it was for the nine eleven attack, I think in twenty twelve, I think he must, we just killed him. America just had killed him, so. I feel like he tweeted something and it was like, back, that's when we back on Twitter was like, he was limiting what, what you could say. That was a prime example of, you know.

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  And did they attack him?

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, attacked him all over the news. I think that was his last year with the Steelers.

• 45:38Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 45:39Joe Rogan?

  They got rid of him because of a tweet?

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:42Joe Rogan?

  God damn. What did he say? Can you find out what he said, James?

• 45:45Speaker 01

  Rashad Mendehal is at, uh, nine eleven. Shout out to Rashad Mendehal, man, that's, that's my brother.

• 45:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that, that was a dangerous time to say controversial shit. You had to lose your whole career and you couldn't get it back.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it'll be over.

• 46:01Joe Rogan?

  You couldn't get it back back then.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  No, you wouldn't get it back.

• 46:04Joe Rogan?

  There was no, nobody rebounded from those days. Like, there was people that had, like, big public personas and then they kind of got removed from the conversation. And even when they got brought back years later, they were so devastated by it.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 46:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  Traumatized. They had CTE by that time.

• 46:22Joe Rogan?

  Like legit, their trauma, like you're, you're legitimately worried. So what does he say? Mendehal's post, day after Bin Laden news broke, said, what kind of person celebrates death? It's amazing how people can hate a man they have never heard speak. We only heard one side. He also tweeted September eleven attacks. We never know what really happened. I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style. The latter post is eventually removed by Mendehal's Twitter page. Um, Wendy's offering was a different story. I appreciate those who've decided to read this letter. Attain a greater understanding of my recent Twitter posts. See, I've gotten misconstrued. And I wanted to use this outlet as a way to clear up things that do not truthfully represent myself, what I stand for personally, and any organization that I'm a part of.

• 47:06Joe Rogan?

  First, I want people to understand I'm not in support of Bin Laden or against the USA. I understand how devastating 9/11 was to this country and to the people whose families were affected, not just in the USA, but families all over the world who had relatives in the World Trade Center. My heart goes out to the troops who fight for our freedoms every day, not being certain if they will have the opportunity to return home, and the families who watch their loved ones bravely go off to war. Last year, I was grateful enough to have the opportunity to travel overseas, to participate in football camp and put on for the children of US troops sanctions in Germany. It was a special experience. These events had a significant impact on my life. Oh, pointing out the celebrates death tweet. This controversial statement was something I said in response to the amount of joy I saw in the event of murder.

• 47:48Joe Rogan?

  I don't believe this is an issue of politics or American pride, but one of religion, morality, and human ethics. See, that's the problem with tweets, because you're writing something that's 120 characters back then, and it's just, you know, a complicated issue. Like, that thing, like, maybe we shouldn't be celebrating death. Maybe we shouldn't be celebrating murder. You know, maybe we should, instead of like, having joy and cheering, maybe we should wonder how that guy got into the position he's in in the first place. Like, what happened? If you know the whole history of Osama bin Laden, it's kind of fucking crazy, because he worked for us. He was the head of the Mujahideen.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and we trained them. The CIA trained them to fight against the Soviets. And, you know, we, we fucking armed those people, supplied them, got them going, and then they, you know, after a while, they're like, fuck these people. They turn on America, and instead of being our ally, they were our worst enemy. What are you doing over there? Snapchat? What's going on?

• 48:49Speaker 01

  No, I was texting myself.

• 48:51Joe Rogan?

  You don't Snapchat, do you?

• 48:52Speaker 01

  No, I don't Snapchat.

• 48:53Joe Rogan?

  No, the kids Snapchat. My kids don't even text. They just snap their friends. They're in the middle of the movie theater or something, they're like, take a weird face, send it to their friends. I'm like, what are you doing? This is a weird way to communicate. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Look, it's good to prepare for the future, but when you start over analyzing what's happening around you, dreaming up every hypothetical situation of what could happen, that's when it gets dangerous. You can start to hyper-fixate and stress out and all over things that haven't even happened. That's no good for current you or future you. If you're struggling to stay in the present and out of your head, try talking with a quality therapist from BetterHelp.

• 49:38Joe Rogan?

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• 51:05Joe Rogan?

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• 51:16Speaker 01

  Snapchat has got all the filters of the face, you could just make a crater with the text.

• 51:20Joe Rogan?

  Kids are just all in addicted to Snapchat.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  I was just texting my son.

• 51:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, another thing that's weird too, is they all have a Snap map. So they know where they all are. They're like, "Oh, she's with him, that fucking bitch."

• 51:32Joe Rogan?

  You see, you see where all your friends are. Like you got a map of all your friends that you let follow.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  You can see the whole layout, where everyone at.

• 51:40Joe Rogan?

  It's weird, man, they're all little surveillance experts.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  Standing on the map.

• 51:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're all little narcs. They're all narking at each other. But the crazy thing is, they give it up to each other. They all, like, you have to, if you have friends, you have to let your friends know where you are in the Snap map. And if you block it, like, if you block them temporarily, what is she doing?

• 52:01Speaker 01

  Where do you go?

• 52:02Joe Rogan?

  What is he up to?

• 52:02Speaker 01

  You off the grid?

• 52:03Joe Rogan?

  He's off the grid, what is this motherfucker? What is he doing?

• 52:07Speaker 01

  What the hell's going on?

• 52:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Man, kids today, they don't have any fucking privacy.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  No, no, everything is exposed.

• 52:14Joe Rogan?

  Everything's exposed.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:17Joe Rogan?

  What year were you born?

• 52:18Speaker 01

  Eighty-eight, nineteen eighty-eight.

• 52:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so by the time you were twenty years old, phones were just starting to arrive, right? Like ninety-eight-ish.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, the sidekick.

• 52:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  Flip phones, next to hell.

• 52:31Joe Rogan?

  Remember the sidekick?

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're flipping over.

• 52:33Joe Rogan?

  I was so jealous, like, "Wow, you got a keyboard?"

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was amazing.

• 52:36Joe Rogan?

  "That's crazy, you got a little keyboard?" And then people's sidekicks were getting hacked. Remember Paris Hilton? Some pussy photos got out, I believe?

• 52:45Speaker 01

  She had designer vagina.

• 52:49Joe Rogan?

  Maybe she just had a pretty one. Some girls are just born with a pretty one.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 52:54Joe Rogan?

  But some girls do get designer vaginas, which is like, ladies, you don't have to do that. Don't do that, we don't care what it looks like.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:00Joe Rogan?

  Like, I don't mind a little chaos down there.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  I don't mind a little Harry Potter.

• 53:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't have to.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  I hit it with my wand still.

• 53:06Joe Rogan?

  You have to trim it up, make it look like the perfect wand on, that's not necessary.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  If it's hairy, then that means it's not really being spanked a lot.

• 53:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if that's true. There's a lot of hairy ladies with loose morals.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Damn. I thought a hairy pussy is not a busy pussy.

• 53:22Joe Rogan?

  It depends on what she's doing with it.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  She might just let it work because nobody getting it.

• 53:26Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, maybe.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  She cleaned it off, that means she's getting ready to give it.

• 53:30Joe Rogan?

  But you might, I guess dudes do get dick operations, right? Because they get circumcised, that's a dick look operation.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  It must be a shortage of dick, I hear how much pussy I'm getting.

• 53:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's always the story, is that eighty percent of the women are dating twenty percent of the men. That's, that's the real story of life.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  That's the ratio, huh?

• 53:47Joe Rogan?

  That's the reality. Eighty percent of the women are attracted to and are dating, or, excuse me, yeah, eighty percent of the women are attracted to and are dating twenty percent of the men, always. So that's why there's so many incels in this world.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Too many ratios.

• 54:00Joe Rogan?

  So many dudes just jerking off and playing video games, because nobody wants them.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 54:04Joe Rogan?

  And that's a self fulfilling prophecy, because if you keep jerking off and playing video games, you're never gonna succeed in life.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, the pressure.

• 54:10Joe Rogan?

  So, no one's ever gonna look at you like, hmm.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  You're never gonna get the opportunity.

• 54:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 54:17Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad I'm not bored in this era.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:19Joe Rogan?

  This is a terrifying era to navigate for kids.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  It's really bad.

• 54:22Joe Rogan?

  Also, the ability to just send a dick picture when you're fifteen, that's crazy.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can just pop it out.

• 54:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's not.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 54:30Joe Rogan?

  That's too much responsibility for a young man.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  That's a little wacky.

• 54:33Joe Rogan?

  You're giving a young man a nuclear weapon.

• 54:38Joe Rogan?

  He can't handle that.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:40Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Too much movie.

• 54:42Joe Rogan?

  That's way too much, that's way too much. And then they all got porn now, which is even crazier.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  It's too, it's too available nowadays, too much at the finger these kids.

• 54:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, instantaneously, not just porn, but murder. Man, me and my friend Tom Segura, do you know Tom Segura?

• 54:57Speaker 01

  I heard of the name.

• 54:58Joe Rogan?

  He's hilarious, you need to do his show. He would, he would have you on, yeah, yeah. Your Mom's House, it's a great podcast, it's a huge podcast. Um, but he and I send each other every day the worst shit we could find on the internet.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 55:10Joe Rogan?

  The worst shit that comes across my Instagram feed, I send it to Tom. It's every day, it's someone getting murdered.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  The worst shit of the day, some craziness on there, right? There's always some shit like, wow.

• 55:20Joe Rogan?

  And it's not one time a day either, it's like multiple times a day, where it's traumatizing each other.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  It's like, what the hell is this?

• 55:26Joe Rogan?

  Today was a dude who crashed his motorcycle right into a gas truck. This dude just rode his motorcycle, the, the, the bike explodes, catches on fire, the tank explodes, the dude gets cooked.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 55:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  He's just wearing fried turkey on the middle street.

• 55:43Joe Rogan?

  One day, he's riding his motorcycle and enjoying freedom, and then a second later, boom. I've seen every horrible video that's on the internet, every one of them.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  That's crazy. That's, that's like ludicrous. The internet is undefeated, but it is our shit, like, we run the internet.

• 56:00Joe Rogan?

  Yes. It's, it's, uh, it's open.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:03Joe Rogan?

  That's the beautiful thing, like, you get these memes. I don't even know who's making them, and they're hilarious, and they're just coming, someone's texting them to you.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  All the time. I seen one, I was, I seen one today, I posted, it was like, the wrestling guy has said, no condoms, and then Elon Musk.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  I was like, I don't like condoms either, so I could have put my name in shit.

• 56:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Elon Musk has how many kids now, that we know of?

• 56:30Speaker 01

  I ain't knew he was getting so much pussy. I thought Elon Musk was a calm guy.

• 56:35Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I wouldn't say he's calm. I mean, I think it's going back to like the Kanye Ferrari engine analogy, it's the same kind of thing, it's just in a different realm. I mean, that's what he is with like rocket science and car design and satellites.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  Spaceship in the pussy.

• 56:51Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Also, like, when you are literally the richest man in the world, it's just like...

• 56:57Speaker 01

  It's just come to you, right?

• 56:58Joe Rogan?

  What are his DMs like?

• 56:59Speaker 01

  His DMs jumping out the gym, huh?

• 57:01Joe Rogan?

  Full of titties. His DMs must be...

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Full of bitties, huh? Back shots everywhere.

• 57:06Joe Rogan?

  Everything, everything, squats and fingers and...

• 57:12Joe Rogan?

  Sucking on bananas, it's like, his, his DMs must be wild.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  He's got a movie theater in his DM.

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  There's girls just thinking, like, what's the move? What's the right thing to send him?

• 57:22Speaker 01

  You know Sean Kingston? My guy loves you.

• 57:24Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  He's calling me, I ain't never met Sean Kingston, he's calling me right now, cause he loves me.

• 57:28Joe Rogan?

  Tell him, so what's up?

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Yo, Sean.

• 57:31Joe Rogan?

  What's up, Sean?

• 57:33Joe Rogan?

  What's going on, my man? How you doing?

• 57:40Joe Rogan?

  Alright man, well cool, that sounds great. I love him, man.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  What's up baby? We're here with Joe right now.

• 57:49Joe Rogan?

  We're live right now.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  You live right now, Sean?

• 57:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're loud, you're loud.

• 58:05Joe Rogan?

  Thank you sir, appreciate you man, thank you very much, thank you.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Love you brother, I'll call you after, brother. Yeah, they want their side, everyone's side, I'm here. Even Theo Vaughn told me play some Trick Daddy.

• 58:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Everyone loves you, Joe.

• 58:19Joe Rogan?

  Theo's the best.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Theo's the man, too.

• 58:21Joe Rogan?

  I love that dude.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's the best.

• 58:22Joe Rogan?

  He's so unique.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's different.

• 58:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't know anybody like him.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Swaggy, cool, calm. Got the, uh, the mullet going, he's swaggy.

• 58:30Joe Rogan?

  And just the way he talks, like, he's so ridiculous.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, he got the country.

• 58:34Joe Rogan?

  Theo and I went to dinner the other night, and, uh, we're sitting at the ta- the table eating dinner for an hour and a half, we're just non-stop crying, laughing. Just crying, laughing. At the end, like, my sides hurt when we got up from the table. I was like, "Oh my god, that was so much fun." So, having friends like that is the best, cause like, everywhere you go, it's like, you have a personal show.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's always entertaining.

• 58:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're just always fucking around and having fun.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  What about Shane Gillis? He's the hell, he's the best, right?

• 59:01Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  He's hilarious.

• 59:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we were just hanging out Tuesday night. Yeah, Shane's awesome. He loves you too.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's my heart, man.

• 59:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all my comedian friends love you, they're all sharing your shit all the time.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  I love those guys.

• 59:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was excited when he got cracker of the year, too.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  He's amazing.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  He's killing it, too.

• 59:17Joe Rogan?

  He is, he's killing it, he's so funny, man. And he's such a good guy, like, he's such a sweetheart.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  He's so genuine, you can just see by his smile, prayer heart, yeah, yeah, prayer heart guy.

• 59:27Joe Rogan?

  Just sweetheart of a guy. And, you know, I'm just glad there's more people like that in the world.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, we need more people like that, like him.

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  In the world that's just, you know, doing what they love, giving back comedy, making people light up.

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and spreading fun, again, back to the same thing that you do, fun.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:46Joe Rogan?

  Fun.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  People enjoy their stuff again, you know, this be out of natural selves, make the uncomfortable a little comfortable and a little fun.

• 59:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, especially in today's era of everybody, we're getting past the days where everything was like tight and everybody was going crazy. And I think things are lightening up and thank, thanks to Elon buying X, that had a huge impact because I think people realize that it wasn't just them that was thinking things had gone too far, it was most people, but they didn't have a way to express themselves because if they said it, they got attacked.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, no one wants to ruin what they built up for a couple of seconds on what they say.

• 1:00:22Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  It takes so long to build your shit.

• 1:00:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like we just showed, yeah, yeah, exactly, you lose everything.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  Lose everything for one moment.

• 1:00:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so you're sitting there, maybe you got a couple of drinks in you, and you're like, you know, I gotta fucking say something, like, someone needs to be there to grab your hand, like, don't.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  Yo, calm that shit down, no ruin everything we built this.

• 1:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Do it, don't do it.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Take yourself out the game.

• 1:00:42Joe Rogan?

  But I think now, if you do that, people go, yeah, I'm glad you said that, because I was thinking the same thing.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:00:49Joe Rogan?

  Like, now it's different because people feel like they can express themselves, which is the real danger of censorship. Even if you don't agree with what someone is saying, you gotta let them say it, because if you don't, someone's gonna limit what you say. And that's just the nature of free speech.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Exactly, I feel like we all have the right to our own opinion, no matter if it's right or wrong, it's just your opinion.

• 1:01:09Joe Rogan?

  We 100%, look, you don't have to go to your Twitter page, you don't have to go to my Twitter page, you don't have to listen to this podcast.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's your option, it's your freedom.

• 1:01:18Joe Rogan?

  It's your option, but you should have that option, and you should have the option to express yourself. You should also have the option to say things, and if you think that it was misconstrued, do what he did and lay it all out. This is how I really feel, this is my, my actual feelings, and I feel like, if you read that, he should have been completely forgiven. The idea that they traded him after that, that's disgusting, because that's also. Censorship because now you're encouraging other people to keep their mouth shut.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Exactly showing them the rules or what is going the aftermath of what's gonna come if you do that.

• 1:01:51Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  So it's grateful that we in better times and things getting better.

• 1:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Way able to express they self more on on the X app and uh thanks Elon Musk giving us giving us that good you know.

• 1:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  Freedom of speech.

• 1:02:05Joe Rogan?

  I think the country's moving in a good direction as long as we can avoid this fucking war. As long as we could avoid war and war with China and war with Russia and everybody else. If we could just avoid that, I think we're gonna be okay. We just gotta make it through some weird shit.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:02:20Joe Rogan?

  And UFOs.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  And UFOs. You saw those UFOs?

• 1:02:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, they're everywhere.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what to think. Some days I think they're all they're we're being visited and some things some days I think it's all the government. It's all bullshit. It's all drones.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Some tech maybe some.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  What do you think it is?

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Maybe um maybe we need to just call the men in black.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  See if they know.

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  The men in black I think are real. I think that's government agents that come visit you after you've had some sort of an experience.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:02:49Joe Rogan?

  I think that's what it is. I mean, there's always been these stories of men in black coming to visit people after they've had encounters.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:56Joe Rogan?

  When it makes sense if you're yapping about some shit, especially if it's actually some government shit that they're working on. And then, you know, some two men in suits come up and when you see two men show up in a Cadillac in suits, you automatically assume they're serious people.

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  Some serious shit.

• 1:03:11Joe Rogan?

  They get out with black suits, black ties, and they look at you and they tell you, hey, Antonio, we'd like to talk to you about your encounter. And then you're like, oh shit, I'm in trouble. And then they're they're doing some hypnosis on you and some mind control shit, you know, and talking, bringing you in a room. And then you leave, you don't know what the fuck happened. Like, what happened? Antonio got visited by the men in black. That's what I think the men in black is. I think it's government agents investigating.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Investigators coming through, gotta be.

• 1:03:36Joe Rogan?

  Or if there's like a legitimate UFO sighting, like something legitimately that the government doesn't know what the fuck it is. I think then also they would send people who were authority figures. What better authority figure than a man in a suit?

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Random as fuck.

• 1:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Will Smith, Men in Black, wearing a suit. I don't think they really can erase your memory.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  Oh, they they go poop.

• 1:03:58Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't think they could do that. But I do think that they probably use mind control on you. They probably hypnotize you.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, hypnotize you for sure.

• 1:04:05Joe Rogan?

  They probably manipulate the way you think, especially if you're under stress.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:08Joe Rogan?

  If you're nervous, like you think you could be in trouble, like something's going on.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  It gets you out.

• 1:04:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  I remember Tony Robbins kinda did that to me one time.

• 1:04:16Joe Rogan?

  He did it to you?

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know Tony Robbins?

• 1:04:18Joe Rogan?

  What did he do?

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  He did that, uh, kinda hypnotized me a little bit.

• 1:04:23Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:23Joe Rogan?

  How did he do it?

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  He got like just sink some stuff in my spirit, just like, yo, A B, go win the Super Bowl, see yourself like this.

• 1:04:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, Tony Robbins is really amazing. I met him through Tom Brady.

• 1:04:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Running Boca Raton.

• 1:04:37Joe Rogan?

  Does Tom Brady use him too?

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:39Joe Rogan?

  So he like, does like mind coaching for you?

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was, I put you right to sleep, everything.

• 1:04:44Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  So what, how does it, explain it to me, like lay it out.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  He's just kinda like, you know what I mean, close your eyes. He's just say a lot of stuff and just bring it in, just kinda put in your spirit. You know Tony Robbins, right?

• 1:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, sure.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  The famous.

• 1:04:58Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I read his books when I was twenty-one years old in nineteen eighty-eight. I was reading his book. When I was trying to like figure out how to make it in comedy. I got a, uh, it was like a cassette thing, like you have a bunch of cassettes and there's like, each one has like workbooks that you're supposed to like fill out stuff and goals and all these different things. It's, well, he's got like legit great information.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I went and seen him in Boca Raton, maybe like twenty twenty, right before I got with Tampa Bay. It was like, yo, you're gonna win the Super Bowl, man, you're gonna, gonna make a big catch, see yourself.

• 1:05:35Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  He just lock it in in my spirit, just like, it's pretty cool, man. Shout out to Tony Robbins.

• 1:05:40Joe Rogan?

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• 1:08:06Joe Rogan?

  I think there's something to that.

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  He got a real good manifestation and just.

• 1:08:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:11Speaker 01

  Downloading and programming your body just for just seeing yourself at that place like it was another level.

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  I think that shit works. I think there's limitations to it. I don't think you could take like a sloppy accountant and say, you're gonna beat Mike Tyson. You know, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, he can't just do that shit. It don't work like that.

• 1:08:28Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't work like that. But I think if you're already talented and you're already in the game, and you could, you could put some things in your mind and you can, you can make some things happen.

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:40Joe Rogan?

  I think there's a little bit of something to that.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:42Joe Rogan?

  But it's not everything. It's like, that's why, did you ever see that movie, The Secret?

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  Of course, that's a nice book too.

• 1:08:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:49Joe Rogan?

  So The Secret, I think.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  It's about some of those things, right?

• 1:08:52Joe Rogan?

  It's about one aspect of it, but they concentrate too much on the one aspect.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  The one aspect is the visualization, which I think is an aspect. Like imagining, speaking it into being, that's one aspect. But there's a lot of other shit too. There's talent, there's hard work, there's good coaching.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  It's discipline.

• 1:09:14Joe Rogan?

  There's discipline. Discipline is probably the most important.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, the most important.

• 1:09:18Joe Rogan?

  As a football player, you must have felt like that, right?

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Of course. Discipline is the way you emanate success.

• 1:09:24Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  You go there on the road trips and you messing with girls and.

• 1:09:28Joe Rogan?

  Get, not getting sleep.

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, not getting sleep, not eating the right foods, exactly.

• 1:09:32Joe Rogan?

  Yep, yep.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  Not making your workouts and hitting those.

• 1:09:36Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, studying that film. Discipline the most important.

• 1:09:39Joe Rogan?

  It's so important for everything in life. So like to think that The Secret is the only thing, you just have to think around and visualize it like, uh-uh.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  It's not the only thing.

• 1:09:47Joe Rogan?

  No, it's, it's an aspect that I think is real, but the problem is, people put so much emphasis on it that it becomes bullshit. It becomes like woo-woo. They, they don't think it's real. But it is, it is an aspect. You know, Mike Tyson used to get hypnotized.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Gotta hypnotize yourself. I feel like it just make your vision a part of your spirit. Anytime, you know, cause I feel like you could write stuff down, write affirmations, affirmations. You could set goals, but to meditate on them and make them a part of your spirit, like.

• 1:10:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  It's different.

• 1:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Deeply think about them and bed them in your consciousness. Yeah, make them.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Make them a part of you.

• 1:10:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then do all the work that's required.

• 1:10:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta do all that shit too, so that it can manifest.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Everything come together.

• 1:10:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so that it can happen.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:38Joe Rogan?

  And even then, it might not happen.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Joe Rogan?

  Like, you might not have done it right. You maybe need more work.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  You gotta put all together again.

• 1:10:44Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you need more discipline. Maybe you need more hard work. Maybe you need better coaching. But it's it's an aspect of success in life. You know, and I think with everything, with being a good parent, with being a good father, with being a good husband, with being a good friend, with being a good employee, a good boss, like with everything, like.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  Everything you do.

• 1:11:04Joe Rogan?

  You have to like have a mindset of what you're trying to accomplish.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Absolutely, a vision, and you gotta make it a part of you, not just writing it down.

• 1:11:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  Just making every aspect, every step. If you're gonna have success, a part of you.

• 1:11:17Joe Rogan?

  How many times did you do that with Tony Robbins?

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  I did it like three times.

• 1:11:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. We did his house in Boca with Tom.

• 1:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Did the first time freak you out? Cause the first time was probably the weirdest one, right?

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  I was a little weird, but then when I like, then when I went to sleep and woke up, I'm like, dang, I feel refreshed. I feel like, you know what I'm saying? I feel like.

• 1:11:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  I got some new feelings in myself. Cause I felt at that point I was going through stuff in the NFL and I was kinda like was pissed off cause I kinda knew like, man, these guys could just get you out your spot whenever you want. But it was like, it was just like, I finally realized that, you know what? It's not even about me being right in the situation. It's about just being happy, like, what made me happy in a situation, instead of just focusing on, man, I'm right, man. They did this. I was right.

• 1:12:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  I mean, just let it go and be happy.

• 1:12:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, for a player, the best revenge is to be undeniable.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:12Joe Rogan?

  Right? People could talk all that shit, but when you're undeniable, they gotta give it up to you.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  They gotta deal with it.

• 1:12:16Joe Rogan?

  They gotta give it up. That's the best revenge.

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:12:20Joe Rogan?

  And I think that's probably the case in everything in life.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Joe Rogan?

  Is to be undeniable. If you're undeniable. Everybody's gotta shut the fuck up.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:28Joe Rogan?

  They all gotta shut the fuck up. And if they don't shut the fuck up, they look foolish.

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, now they're like idiots.

• 1:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  Now they're like a fool, yeah. Just talking for no reason, cause you know what happened.

• 1:12:36Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, you know?

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  He's just a hater at that point.

• 1:12:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's so many haters.

• 1:12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:40Joe Rogan?

  There's so many haters.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  You gotta love your ops. I feel like haters make you, you know, go harder.

• 1:12:45Joe Rogan?

  They make you work harder.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, make you, they bring the best out of you.

• 1:12:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they do. Haters are good. Fat shaming works.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:51Joe Rogan?

  All that stuff. Like, haters, like, the anger, jealousy, mean shit, like, that motivates people.

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's always reciprocated, never done anything.

• 1:13:00Joe Rogan?

  Too much. You just don't want too much, you know, it's like like-

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Overkill, but just a little tad bit.

• 1:13:04Joe Rogan?

  If you get a little bit of snake venom every day, you get immune to snake venom.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but if you get a big dose, it'll fucking kill you.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, take you out the game.

• 1:13:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, don't be like reading all your hate all day long. That's not good for you either. But a few haters lets you know you're on the right track.

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:21Speaker 01

  Lets you know you're transactor.

• 1:13:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you want, you want a few haters. If you don't have haters, it means you're not doing good enough to get haters.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean you-

• 1:13:29Joe Rogan?

  Everybody who's doing great gets haters. Some haters are hilarious, though. Some haters are so dumb. It's like you wonder if they're real people. Like, for fighters, it's my favorite. Like, oh, he's a pussy. Like, what, what are you talking about? That man is literally a professional fighter, and you're calling him a pussy? That's one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  Every fighter thinks, every, every other fighter's a pussy.

• 1:13:51Joe Rogan?

  They do!

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like everything's a pussy.

• 1:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the thing about alpha males. They think they're the only one that's an alpha male. They don't think there's someone out there exactly like them.

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:14:02Joe Rogan?

  And maybe a little faster, maybe a little stronger.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Maybe balls a little bigger.

• 1:14:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe something-

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  A little more testosterone.

• 1:14:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe the hands a little bigger, jaws a little wider. See that little edge.

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  Little edge.

• 1:14:13Joe Rogan?

  Little edge allows them to survive the firefight.

• 1:14:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. How much UFC do you watch?

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  I watch UFC every Saturday.

• 1:14:21Joe Rogan?

  Do you really?

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  I love Bone Jones. I love fighting. I feel like if I wasn't a player, I probably would have gotten into some sort of fighting.

• 1:14:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah?

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever do any martial arts at all?

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  No, when I was little, my mom signed me up for karate.

• 1:14:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Speaker 01

  Do a little jiu-jitsu.

• 1:14:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, cool. Okay.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:39Joe Rogan?

  But never like really got serious with it?

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  No, a couple of just...

• 1:14:42Joe Rogan?

  Might be a fun hobby for you.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  I like training and working out with grappling, wrestling.

• 1:14:47Joe Rogan?

  Jiu-jitsu is what I meant, because that way you don't get hit.

• 1:14:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, I stopped sparring when I was like 27.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, a little hits to the heads, right?

• 1:14:54Joe Rogan?

  This is like... It's just, they count. Hits to the head is a gym. Counts. They all count. All those little...

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  All those little dings, huh?

• 1:15:04Joe Rogan?

  All those little, they all count. Bang. They all count.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:07Joe Rogan?

  It all like...

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  It's just gonna add up.

• 1:15:10Joe Rogan?

  It all adds up to some weird brain shit, where it doesn't quite work right, but...

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:16Joe Rogan?

  This weekend's a big one, man. Pereira and Ankaliyev.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  That's a big, yeah, Pereira been kicking ass too. He lost the last one though, right? He's ready to bounce back?

• 1:15:24Joe Rogan?

  No, no, he won. The last time he lost was against Israel Adesanya. That was, uh, four fights ago, I believe.

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  Adesanya been getting his ass whipped a little bit, right? He been fighting too much. You fight like back to back to back.

• 1:15:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, he took a lot of time off, but, you know, he lost to Imovov, who's very, very good.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:41Joe Rogan?

  And he lost to Drekus Duplce, who was the champion before that. But he was winning that fight, but he got caught and then he got strangled. You know, I mean, it's hard to stay on top, man. It's hard to stay on top. And when he was in his prime, when he was dominating the division, he was the fucking man.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  He was going crazy.

• 1:15:58Joe Rogan?

  He's, it's not like he's lost his skills, man. It's just, this is a tough fucking sport.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  Tough sport, huh?

• 1:16:04Joe Rogan?

  It's a tough fucking sport, and the sport does not rest. The sport keeps evolving.

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  Everybody's coming.

• 1:16:09Joe Rogan?

  They, they, these guys coming up, every year they're better.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Everybody's coming.

• 1:16:13Joe Rogan?

  Every year, they're more complete. There's no like one-dimensional fighters anymore. They can all do everything.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  All these guys could just freaking bang out?

• 1:16:21Joe Rogan?

  They can do everything. The best guys today are all, they're all super multifaceted. They all can do everything. But then you have guys like... Like Pereira, who's really a specialist. He's a kickboxing specialist.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's fire.

• 1:16:35Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever watch him kickbox?

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  Nah, it's crazy.

• 1:16:38Joe Rogan?

  I was a giant fan of his before he ever got to the UFC. I was telling everybody about him, like, if this guy gets to MMA, we got fucking problems. You got problems. That guy, he just has to touch you once.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Shit's going down.

• 1:16:49Joe Rogan?

  He's, he's so different than anybody else in the division. Like, he knocks everybody out. Everybody hits hard. They all hit hard.

• 1:16:55Speaker 01

  But he puts shit down.

• 1:16:57Joe Rogan?

  Hits hard, hard, hard, hard. You know they have that punch machine?

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, you can see the power. What's his power?

• 1:17:03Joe Rogan?

  One hundred and ninety. Francis Nganu had like one thirty.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, he got punch power.

• 1:17:10Joe Rogan?

  He's got more power than Nganu. That's crazy. I mean, I can't even believe, I want to give Francis a second chance at it. I feel like he wasn't swinging hard enough. I feel like if he knows that Pereira got one ninety.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  He was going a little harder.

• 1:17:23Joe Rogan?

  He's so much bigger. I mean, Francis is like two seventy natural. Two hundred seventy pounds, natural.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  Fucking hog walk.

• 1:17:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just giant, massive. And if, I feel like he could probably punch harder than, than he did. I feel like if he knew that Pereira was gonna break that record, give him a second crack at it.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  He'd probably go a little harder. He'd probably punch it a little more hip action.

• 1:17:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot more. Yeah, just fucking, you know, but right now, I think, uh, Pereira has the hardest. See if you can find that video. It's crazy to watch. Cause he, he even does it with his right hand, which is not his power punch.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  And it still was more thirty?

• 1:17:57Joe Rogan?

  His power punch is his left hook. His left hook is what he knocks out everybody with. But it might be that his left hook is faster and it's a better weapon because it's in the front, and his right hand is more powerful, but he just doesn't land it as often that way. Did you find it? It's crazy. You just, you hear the thud? Put your headphones on real quick. Listen to this. Oh, you didn't get it yet? Okay.

• 1:18:23Joe Rogan?

  You got it?

• 1:18:27Joe Rogan?

  Okay, here we go. Put them on.

• 1:18:35Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean? X.com full video? Retry? Yeah, it's up there. Oh, it disappeared? Somebody took- here it is. That's not it. That's not it? It's just a picture. Oh, the video's gotta be on there. I just, yeah, you want to give me a second? Okay, okay.

• 1:18:53Joe Rogan?

  Is that it? Yeah, here it is. Okay, give me some volume. Oh my god! 191, watch this, check this out. Oh!

• 1:19:04Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 1:19:11Joe Rogan?

  That's so- You have to understand how crazy that is. That's an insane amount of power. The hardest I've ever kicked it-

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  You're going now.

• 1:19:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the hardest I've ever kicked it with legs. Kicks are way harder. The hardest I ever kicked it was like 152.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  And he punching 170?

• 1:19:28Joe Rogan?

  191!

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  More than than punching a leg?

• 1:19:31Joe Rogan?

  191, 191 with a punch. It's insane. His power is just-

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's putting shit down.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  Like, from God. It's like a, it's a crazy gift. It's different than everybody's power.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I never seen, the kid he beat up, the other guy, Adesanya?

• 1:19:47Joe Rogan?

  Adesanya?

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, he put him down.

• 1:19:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, he, he beat Adesanya in the first fight. Adesanya knocked him out in the second fight in the UFC.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  And then he came back and beat him, right?

• 1:19:55Joe Rogan?

  No, they didn't fight again. They never fought a third time. They fought before in kickboxing, they fought twice more, twice before that in kickboxing. One time, Israel lost the decision that I think he should have won. The second time, Pereira knocked him out. And then the third time, Pereira knocked him out in the UFC. And then the fourth time, Izzy knocked him out.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's when he did the fell with his son, right? He acted like he fell with his son.

• 1:20:19Joe Rogan?

  Pulling the arrows out, ah!

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, he went crazy, he went crazy.

• 1:20:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was awesome. But, um, that's a big fight this weekend. I'm pumped. Uncle Iva's good, man. That guy's really good.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Fight Night, how excited you get on Fight Night?

• 1:20:33Joe Rogan?

  Very excited.

• 1:20:34Speaker 01

  How old?

• 1:20:34Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever been to one live?

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  I think I've been to one live in Florida.

• 1:20:38Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you should come this weekend.

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Come on, where is it?

• 1:20:40Joe Rogan?

  Vegas.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  Come on, let's go.

• 1:20:41Joe Rogan?

  I'll hook it up.

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  Come on.

• 1:20:43Joe Rogan?

  I'll get you tickets.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  I'm coming to Vegas this weekend.

• 1:20:44Joe Rogan?

  Let's go.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 1:20:46Joe Rogan?

  I got you hooked up. That's it.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  Thanks, Joe, baby.

• 1:20:48Joe Rogan?

  Let's go. I'll take care of it. I'll text the UFC as soon as we get out of here. Yeah, you'll love it. You'll love it. Live is like nothing else, man. It's crazy, especially in Vegas.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  Well, Vegas is another level.

• 1:20:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. And this is like... The Vegas ones are always huge. And this is a big one. T-Mobile, sold out. You know, world title fight, main event, light heavyweight title. I mean, and the undercard's banging. The undercard's filled with fights. Like killer fights in the undercard. There's like six or seven fights that I'm like, "Ooh."

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  Side to seat out, right?

• 1:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, man. Yeah.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 1:21:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Fight Night in Vegas is amazing. And then they have Slap Fight. Talk about CTE SPN.

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, the slap?

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  Slap Fight is on Friday night.

• 1:21:31Joe Rogan?

  That should be on CTE SPN. You should cover Slap Fight.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  I would love to cover Slap Fight. That is hilarious.

• 1:21:37Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  They fighting on sight.

• 1:21:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this...

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  Smackdown.

• 1:21:42Joe Rogan?

  Dudes are getting...

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  That's the real Smackdown.

• 1:21:43Joe Rogan?

  Just knocked into another dimension with a slap. It's so crazy.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  Malcolm the Pakistani out of there?

• 1:21:49Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy to watch. I just don't understand why people are signing up for that.

• 1:21:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Smack game.

• 1:21:56Joe Rogan?

  Because the thing about fighting is, you're trying to not get hit. Like, if the punches are coming, you're trying to turn away. You're trying to move. You're getting your head off center line. If you're slapping, you're 100% gonna get hit.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:08Joe Rogan?

  You just have to sit there and take it like, "Grrrr."

• 1:22:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta eat that.

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no. And every time, full blast. Every time, you're standing still.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're just waiting on it to come.

• 1:22:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  That's hilarious.

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. Dana White keeps trying to get me to come see it. I'm like, "Okay, I'll go." "I'll go to one of these."

• 1:22:33Joe Rogan?

  But it's just so nuts.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Nah, that smack is another level.

• 1:22:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, just get a smack, slap, knockout.

• 1:22:40Joe Rogan?

  I'm surprised like pro football players haven't signed up for that. Like after, like some dudes just wanna do something.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:46Joe Rogan?

  Wild fellas that wanna do something.

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  A smack, just go, just go smack somebody.

• 1:22:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  Smack.

• 1:22:55Joe Rogan?

  The problem is.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:22:56Joe Rogan?

  I get, what do you do? You like flip a coin to see who gets to slap who first? Cause that's somebody, that's the thing, like somebody has to hit you first, that's a huge disadvantage. Cause if you get slapped hard first.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  Knocked out, you ain't gonna get the get back.

• 1:23:07Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. I mean, I don't even know how it works, like if, can you get really rocked and then they'll let you get slapped again? Like if you get super rocked, like your legs give out.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  Now you done.

• 1:23:19Joe Rogan?

  Barely get up, are you done? If you go down, are you done?

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you done.

• 1:23:23Joe Rogan?

  What are the rules?

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  Your slap ain't worth a shit.

• 1:23:25Joe Rogan?

  Aren't you supposed to hold something in your hand? You have thirty seconds.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Thirty seconds to shake back?

• 1:23:29Joe Rogan?

  That's a long time to recover.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:23:32Joe Rogan?

  Thirty seconds is a long time to recover.

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, yeah.

• 1:23:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, if you fall? Oh, so if you get knocked down, it's over?

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, you smacked out.

• 1:23:42Joe Rogan?

  What's next? Like, when are we gonna have gladiator fights? Well, they already do that in other countries. That people put on armor and fight with swords and shit.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  Kill each other?

• 1:23:50Joe Rogan?

  They don't kill each other, but they beat the fuck out of each other with swords and shields and shit. One dude was beating this dude in the head with a shield, I was like, what, what are we doing?

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  You gotta minute to recover, like a timeout.

• 1:24:03Joe Rogan?

  See, that's the good thing about MMA is that you don't get chances to recover. So you don't get to get knocked out again. Cause a lot of these times, guys get dropped and then they get a standing eight count, like in boxing, that's particularly dangerous. You get a standing eight count, they clean off your gloves. Are you okay? You're like, yeah, come forward. And then you, you're slowly getting your shit back together, but you're not back yet. You're still.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  You're just fighting to get back.

• 1:24:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  You're still out of it.

• 1:24:25Joe Rogan?

  You're still out of it.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  Still walkie.

• 1:24:26Joe Rogan?

  And you're still, like, you're, you don't know exactly what's going on.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, what's going on, you're just like, shit, what happened?

• 1:24:31Joe Rogan?

  And then more punches, boom.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  That kid's a sink hit you.

• 1:24:36Joe Rogan?

  Whereas in MMA, the fight would already been stopped.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, they'd be like, yeah, this guy's done.

• 1:24:40Joe Rogan?

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• 1:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Do you watch boxing at all?

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  I love boxing.

• 1:26:32Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the Gervonta Davis, Lamont Roach fight?

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was trash.

• 1:26:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, I thought it was a good fight.

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  It was a great fight, but I just champion a guy taking a knee, talking about greasing his hair.

• 1:26:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was crazy.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  I'm like, yo, how you just in the middle of the fight? Just go wipe your face.

• 1:26:46Joe Rogan?

  Also, here's the deal. If you take a knee, that's a knockdown.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  That's a knockdown. So, track two, right?

• 1:26:50Joe Rogan?

  You got hit with a jab.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:52Joe Rogan?

  You took a knee.

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  And then you walked off.

• 1:26:54Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. That is a knockdown. So, I think they're reviewing that right now.

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  No, that guy should have lost, maybe.

• 1:27:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, um, I feel like if they do review it and they do judge it as a knockdown, which it was clearly a knockdown to everybody.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  Sure is a knockdown.

• 1:27:08Joe Rogan?

  You take a knee, that's a knockdown. I think they will probably give it to Lamont.

• 1:27:12Speaker 04

  This is a very interesting rule. They have a power slap that kind of talks about what you guys were just discussing.

• 1:27:17Joe Rogan?

  Okay, the promoter may, but is not obligated to incorporate the following rule for any event, for any specific category of matches such as title matches. A participant was the first defender in round one and did not elect such position and B, there is a KO or TKO finish of such participant in round one. Then, after the referee declares a finish, a clock of two minutes begins. During this time, the defender is given two minutes to recover and be examined by the supervising physician. If the supervising physician, in consultation with the referee, determines that the defender has established their fitness to continue and is without medical health risk for purposes of delivering one strike to the opposing participant within such two-minute period

• 1:27:59Joe Rogan?

  and not receiving any further strikes as a defender, then the referee will announce the commencement of the redemption round and will instruct the striker to complete one permitted slap of their opponent. If the return strike results in a KO or TKO finish of their opponent, the match is declared a draw. If the return strike has any other result, the match result stands. That's crazy. So you can get KO'd, you get finished, they give you two minutes to come back, and if you could knock that guy out, then it's a draw.

• 1:28:31Speaker 04

  They also haven't used the rule yet.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  So you go knockout for knockout.

• 1:28:34Joe Rogan?

  Boy, that rule looks like it's written by lawyers, doesn't it? Doesn't that rule look written by lawyers? So, find out what's happening because I think they were gonna announce something today about Lamont Roach-Gervonta Davis decision on the knockdown. It was a very good fight, though. Lamont Roach is very good. I was really impressed. Because Tank is nasty. Tank is so fucking powerful. He's so vicious, like his, his one punch power at 135 is like nobody else is in the division. Like, the way he starches people is crazy. He gets so much torque and power into his punches and he- So fastly, he covers ground and his uppercuts, they're just fucking devastating.

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  So like for Lamont Roach, not just to survive, but you know.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  Do some damage.

• 1:29:21Joe Rogan?

  To do damage and.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  Put him on a knee.

• 1:29:23Joe Rogan?

  Basically bring it to a draw, um, which if they do change this because of that knee, it, it becomes a victory. That's he, I want it, I think it should be a victory for him. And I think they should do a rematch.

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:29:38Joe Rogan?

  It's, everybody saw it. You can't get around what everybody saw. Look, it wasn't a legit knockdown like he hurt Tank. Tank did have some shit in his eyes, but what are you doing putting shit in your hair? When you have a world title fight, that's crazy.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  And no one want to hear about it in the middle of a fight that no one cares. If a fly, fly by, drop the ball, bro. Drop the damn ball. We don't care if it fly through by your helmet or your eyes.

• 1:30:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, nobody gives a fuck about that.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  You can't be a championship fighter and taking a knee and putting on those type of performances.

• 1:30:08Joe Rogan?

  Also, what are they putting in his hair? That when he's sweating is dripping into his eyes. Like what is that shit?

• 1:30:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:14Joe Rogan?

  Bro, shave your head.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Shave your fucking head. Who cares?

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  Don't be pretty boy, you better go get this fight.

• 1:30:20Joe Rogan?

  Get those fucking braids out of there. You don't need those. He's a good looking guy. He doesn't need all that crazy braids and shit. It's a, it makes a rematch very exciting though. And I think, uh, that's great for Gervonta because other than Shakur, uh, who's, uh, the, the other, you know, major star. And then Lomachenko, if he decides to fight again. But other than that, there's not a lot of compelling.

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  Challenges, challenges out there for him.

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  So now this Lamont Roach fight becomes like the most compelling fight in the division for him.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  That's be pretty cool.

• 1:30:51Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:30:52Speaker 04

  I don't know if this is the official response. This is wild.

• 1:30:55Speaker 01

  Is that?

• 1:30:56Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:30:57Speaker 04

  This is posted a, a day ago, I guess, uh.

• 1:31:00Joe Rogan?

  Uh, during the round and question, the following the commission's request for the replay video, there was a technical issue preventing the commission from receiving it within the allotted time to review. Therefore, the referee's in-ring decision was relied upon and the fight continued. Yeah, I did see that.

• 1:31:15Speaker 04

  Oh, I thought that was what the.

• 1:31:16Joe Rogan?

  The instant replay, there was a technical issue when they went to the corner, like what, right after the knockdown, they tried to go to an instant replay and it wasn't available. And so they said, what do we do here? And the referee wanted to start the fight again. They let the referee start the fight again.

• 1:31:30Speaker 04

  I thought this was saying they couldn't review this because of. Yeah, I have.

• 1:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you mean after? No, no, no. It was in the moment, only in the moment.

• 1:31:38Speaker 04

  They couldn't get a tape, so there's.

• 1:31:39Joe Rogan?

  No, you couldn't do that. That would be ridiculous. Oh, we still can't find it. Sorry.

• 1:31:43Speaker 04

  That's my point.

• 1:31:44Joe Rogan?

  It's like, it's like Epstein's client list. Oh, can't find it. Looking for it. Trying to help, guys. Doing our best. Yeah, um, no, they, obviously, everybody's seen it. We've all seen it online. I saw it during the fight. I didn't even know the fight was going on. My friend Jamar, uh, texted me, "You watching this Davis fight?" I'm like, "Oh shit, I forgot." And I caught it in the 12th round, then I went back and watched the whole thing the next day. It was an amazing fight. Amazing fight.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  Lot of energy. I feel like people all, I feel like people used to tank just knocking people out early in the round. So to see him go to the deep end,

• 1:32:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  12 rounds, seeing that both of the guys was damaging each other and putting on a good fight was pretty.

• 1:32:21Joe Rogan?

  It was a very good fight.

• 1:32:21Speaker 01

  Amazing fight.

• 1:32:23Joe Rogan?

  Very competitive fight for a guy who doesn't have competitive fights.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:32:27Joe Rogan?

  Cause Gervonta just steamrolls. He's undefeated. Steamrolls everybody. And everybody's scared of him. And Lamont was not scared of him.

• 1:32:34Speaker 01

  It's pretty unique.

• 1:32:35Joe Rogan?

  But they have fought in the amateurs before. I think they fought twice in the amateurs. Uh, but Lamont's a new star. That guy's super, super legit.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  Coming up in the rankings.

• 1:32:43Joe Rogan?

  Super legit and very skillful. Like the way, it wasn't just that, like, you know, like, Gervonta didn't show up, or Gervonta wasn't at his best. No, like Lamont fought a fantastic fight. You know what I'm excited for, man? Terrence Crawford and Canelo. That's the one.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  Big one. That's a, that's a big, huge fight.

• 1:33:04Joe Rogan?

  The one. That's the one. A lot of people think Terrence is too small. He weighed, he weighed himself the other day. He was 185 pounds.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  He just looked scrawny in the ring. He looked like, he fought at what, 140? 150?

• 1:33:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, he just won the 154 pound title. And, you know, before that, he was fighting at, he was fighting at welterweight, which is 147. But it's not like he doesn't have time to like thicken up a little bit. And if he's walking around at 185, that means he probably cuts a considerable amount of weight to get down to 54. But, and now, but I think he's getting thicker. And he was deadlifting 450 pounds the other day, like.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  You like deadlifts?

• 1:33:40Joe Rogan?

  I think they're, they can fuck your back up.

• 1:33:42Speaker 01

  That shit is trash, bro. You do a deadlift, you just fucking your back up.

• 1:33:45Joe Rogan?

  You could fuck your back up.

• 1:33:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, it's no, like, I don't know who made up do deadlifts. That's the worst shit you could ever do. Like, for what, though? Like, what is it? You're never gonna do that motion and fighting, what is it supposed to make your back strong?

• 1:33:59Joe Rogan?

  It's supposed to make your overall chain strong. It's one of the best exercises to make your overall chain strong.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  So true. Cause you're picking up the bar off the ground and there's already gravity.

• 1:34:13Joe Rogan?

  Right, and a lot of stress on that lower back.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  Super stressing your lower back, your knees, you gotta.

• 1:34:18Joe Rogan?

  You know Robert Oberst, Robert Oberst, you know who he is? He's, uh, he came, he did the podcast once, he's a professional strong man, like one of the biggest motherfuckers you ever see, like a house, just like this big. He's like, don't do deadlifts.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  Never do deadlifts, it's gonna ruin your back, your knees, everything, you hurt yourself. There's no position you're gonna put yourself in fighting that gonna make you bend over like that.

• 1:34:39Joe Rogan?

  A lot of guys do them though.

• 1:34:40Speaker 01

  It's the worst thing you could ever do.

• 1:34:42Joe Rogan?

  I've heard people say that if you do them correctly, they could decompress your back, and I'm like.

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  You could do a lot of more exercises for your back.

• 1:34:50Joe Rogan?

  But I'm like, explain how, explain how it can ever decompress your back.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  You're pounding your back, you're picking up weights from the floor.

• 1:34:58Joe Rogan?

  As you're lifting, even if you're like fully extending and stretching your body forward.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's nothing doing that.

• 1:35:03Joe Rogan?

  You're compressing your back when you have that enormous amount of weight. There's no way you're not compressing your back.

• 1:35:09Speaker 01

  You gotta compress your back.

• 1:35:10Joe Rogan?

  What about lighter deadlifts? What about deadlifts just like for reps?

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  I'm like, deadlifts is trash, man. You wanna do leg exercise, work your hamstring, glutes, and do calf raises or something else.

• 1:35:19Joe Rogan?

  Do you do Nordic curls? Do you ever do those?

• 1:35:21Speaker 01

  Nordic curls is the best. They're for your hamstrings, yeah, they're the best.

• 1:35:24Joe Rogan?

  Tremendous for your hamstrings.

• 1:35:25Speaker 01

  Isolate your hams right away. If you wanna work your leg and lower back, do those, yeah.

• 1:35:29Joe Rogan?

  The first time I did it, I was like, what? I couldn't do one. I was like, this is crazy.

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  Isolate your hamstring right away, it's no cheat.

• 1:35:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, no cheating, yeah. All hamstrings.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  All hams.

• 1:35:38Joe Rogan?

  Such a great exercise just to develop strength around your knees too.

• 1:35:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, best isolation.

• 1:35:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  For hams.

• 1:35:45Joe Rogan?

  So, when you're in the NFL, like what is the strength and conditioning program like for a receiver? Like, do they, do they tailor your strength and conditioning routines depending upon what position you play? So like for, for a guy like you, you obviously have to stay fast.

• 1:36:03Speaker 01

  You gotta be quick and twitchy, I feel like.

• 1:36:06Joe Rogan?

  Twitchy.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  And you gotta, yeah, twitchy meaning you're elusive to get out, yeah, you gotta be elusive, just in your body movement, but you wanna have a lot of strength too. Just enough, because you're gonna get hit, pushed around in your shoulders and your legs and your glutes.

• 1:36:18Joe Rogan?

  So what kind of stuff did they have you do?

• 1:36:20Speaker 01

  So me launches, single launches, explosive launches when you're driving up, ham screen curls, uh, bench press, dumbbells, single arms, a lot of core rotations. You know what I mean? A lot of single leg calves, a lot of ankle work.

• 1:36:35Joe Rogan?

  Do they have you do plyos?

• 1:36:36Speaker 01

  For sure plyos, single leg jumps, two leg jumps, explosive sideways linear jumps.

• 1:36:42Joe Rogan?

  And when they um make a program for you, do they lay out like what the the progress they're looking to achieve? Like, how do they, how do they do like a program for a guy like you?

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  See, the NFL usually, they just really put, I mean, it's it's a team made up of fifty players, sixty players. So sometimes the weight room usually just have usually specific sheets that, you know, guys follow with the training. But the more smarter you are, the more intuitive you are as a player individually, you know, you need to, for me, the little things that made me the difference, the working on little stuff like your arch. You may not think your arch is important muscle or how to work.

• 1:37:19Joe Rogan?

  Arch of your foot?

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  The arch of your foot, yeah.

• 1:37:21Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:37:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, gripping the towels with your big toe, grabbing the towel, working the arch, making your big toe go over here. Because your arch is, you know, super important, like being a receiver.

• 1:37:32Joe Rogan?

  Really? I never thought about that. So you do like foot strengthening exercises?

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  Exactly, your big toes. Imagine you run in the game and your big toe just give out.

• 1:37:40Joe Rogan?

  Right. That happens to guys, right?

• 1:37:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:42Joe Rogan?

  Turf toe.

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  Turf toe, exactly. So it was like, the little exercise that could preeminate your feet from just being healthy. You know what I mean? Your arch, your big toe. Because that's the first thing that hit the ground. And guys don't really consider these things when they just want to work the big exercise muscles that, you know, but it starts from the ground up, your feet. If your arches and your big toe could be good and strong.

• 1:38:04Joe Rogan?

  Nick Kerson, Nick Kerson's a famous strength and conditioning guy in the MMA world. And that was what he told me. He said, "Foot strength is the number one flaw that a lot of people have."

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  Exactly, because they don't feel like that muscle or that need to be worked out. They think shoulders, you know, the big muscles. So it's all about the little stuff that permeate your success, man. You a receiver, you know you're gonna have to get off the ball, you're gonna have to run and cut, stop. So the more important thing, you could get right at your feet, that's gonna be the first thing to hit the ground.

• 1:38:33Joe Rogan?

  So can you explain to me what you're doing with your toes on a towel?

• 1:38:36Speaker 01

  So let's say if it's a towel, like, you know, when you run, you got the ball of your feet.

• 1:38:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  Ball of your feet hit first.

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:42Speaker 01

  And then you grip.

• 1:38:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:43Speaker 01

  Ball of your feet, then you grip the towel.

• 1:38:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  Ball of feet hit, then grip. So you working that arch and you working on just the grip of your toes.

• 1:38:50Joe Rogan?

  And are you just holding the towel with your hands? Like, how are you doing the towel?

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  You put the towel on the ground.

• 1:38:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, on the ground?

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, just like that.

• 1:38:56Joe Rogan?

  Have you done this, Jamie? Yeah, I do it all the time. You do it all the time?

• 1:38:59Speaker 01

  Every day, right?

• 1:38:59Joe Rogan?

  How come you never told me?

• 1:39:04Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:39:05Speaker 01

  This is the best right there. That work your arches of your feet. That little exercise right there, Joe? That make tremendous difference in your feet.

• 1:39:13Joe Rogan?

  Wow, I'm gonna do that tomorrow. How many reps do you do?

• 1:39:16Speaker 01

  I feel like you could go two minutes, just burn out.

• 1:39:18Joe Rogan?

  You just do it till you burn out?

• 1:39:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gonna feel the burn right away.

• 1:39:22Joe Rogan?

  Wow, and then does it suck to walk afterwards?

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  Nah, feel really good to walk. You gonna tell the difference with your feet right away.

• 1:39:27Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Um, I jump rope. Uh, I feel like that's really good for your feet.

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  Really good, yeah.

• 1:39:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  But this is the maintenance of your feet with just a little exercise.

• 1:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that seems like a really smart one.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is physical therapy, one of the best exercises you could do.

• 1:39:41Joe Rogan?

  What happens when you get too good at the towel? Do you move up to like a rug?

• 1:39:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, you go single leg. Now you go single leg on one leg grip.

• 1:39:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, ooh. So like, standing on one leg?

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  And grip, yeah.

• 1:39:53Joe Rogan?

  And then, so you're balancing and then gripping at the same time?

• 1:39:56Speaker 01

  You stack it up, and you take the balance, you know what I mean? The grips to the balance.

• 1:40:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I like it.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  So now you active on it while gripping.

• 1:40:03Joe Rogan?

  All right, ooh, I like it. Yeah.

• 1:40:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:07Speaker 01

  It's all about your wills, man.

• 1:40:08Joe Rogan?

  You know what I just started incorporating into my workouts, like, over the last few months that I never did before? Is rotational exercises. And I feel like an asshole. I have a reoccurring, um, thing that I got on my lower back that's like, um, I, I think it's really, it's a bunch of different things, but I think mostly it's tendonitis. It's mostly overuse. Because it would start to hurt and I would just ignore it and keep doing it. I got it from archery. Where it just start flaring up, cuz it's like when I'm uh shooting the bow. The bow is eighty pounds to pull back and I do it a hundred and fifty times a day. So that's like a hundred and fifty rows with eighty pounds. So doing that all the time, my lower back and stabilizing, it started to flare up.

• 1:40:54Joe Rogan?

  And I'm an idiot, so I was like, don't be a pussy, just just just keep going, power through. And in power through and it got inflamed and it's taken a few months for it to get better. But one of the best ways it got better was rotational exercises. You know, like um with a bar where you like twist it like that, those twit with cables, like man.

• 1:41:16Speaker 01

  Exercises.

• 1:41:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's like that's.

• 1:41:19Speaker 01

  Movements.

• 1:41:20Joe Rogan?

  It it uh it works so well with athletics, well for me with martial arts, it works so well. And I'm like, why wasn't I doing that before? Like I would just do linear stuff like chin ups, push ups, dips, squats, all that other basic shit. But when I started doing twisting things, I'm like, man, and then I feel like I have more power now.

• 1:41:38Speaker 01

  More range and ability, right?

• 1:41:40Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I have more strength in my lower back, so for kicking, like it's everything in there. It's like that of the ability, that ability to whip, and I'm like, why wasn't I doing this forever? It's kind of crazy that it took me getting injured before I started doing it.

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  That's how it always happen.

• 1:41:56Joe Rogan?

  You know what my favorite one is? Uh when you're sitting, like I sit on a a mat with my feet up in the air and then I take a fifty pound kettlebell and I keep my feet up.

• 1:42:05Speaker 01

  Sideways.

• 1:42:06Joe Rogan?

  Sideways, ooh, that's the one dude.

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  The one right there, yeah.

• 1:42:09Joe Rogan?

  That is the one, because when you do like that, it's like you just feel all that shit in there. Yeah, and it warms everything up and it feel, it loosens it, it stretches it a little bit. Because when you get to here, you know, you're challenging your range of mobility. And then you get to here and here, you know, it's like, and it's hard to do, so it's your abs are firing, everything's working.

• 1:42:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, we got everything activated, man, you look good at your age.

• 1:42:33Joe Rogan?

  Thank you very much, thank you, I try, I try, I'm trying to keep up. Try to just keep it, keep it active, keep it going. But all those different exercises are huge and I ignored a lot of them. But that's the thing about getting injured. Sometimes you get injured, you go, okay. Why did I get injured? I need to do more preventative stuff.

• 1:42:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like you're doing with your feet.

• 1:42:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:56Joe Rogan?

  Like more of that. So when you do plyometric stuff, do they have you do stuff on like balance balls and shit too?

• 1:43:03Speaker 01

  Of course, balance balls, explosive lunges, maybe put a, uh, the track, the track ladders.

• 1:43:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:43:11Speaker 01

  You know, jumping over those is always a good one for plyo for explosion.

• 1:43:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:43:15Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 1:43:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  Speed bands.

• 1:43:20Joe Rogan?

  When did, when did players start realizing that that's something to incorporate? Because I would imagine if you go back to the early days, they were probably doing regular weightlifting stuff, right?

• 1:43:28Speaker 01

  Exactly. I feel like if you want to be an explosive athlete, you gotta get into plyos. If you want to be explosive.

• 1:43:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:35Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Especially for if you're a wide receiver or a defensive back, guys who gotta be athletic and jump high and attack the balls and do different stuff. You know, maybe like Ollie may not be getting the ball, so they might focus on lifting weights and, you know, I mean, being strong and combative, but...

• 1:43:50Joe Rogan?

  You know what else I started to add it to?

• 1:43:51Speaker 01

  What you adding?

• 1:43:52Joe Rogan?

  Uh, ab wheel to my feet when you do explosive pushups. So you explode up, you roll your abs forward on the wheel and then you come down and catch yourself. And then explode up and roll the wheel forward and then come down and catch yourself. You clap and catch yourself. I learned that from Arthur Bitterbeef, the light heavyweight champion. His crazy dude from Chechnya.

• 1:44:13Speaker 01

  Explosive pushups.

• 1:44:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but with an ab wheel. He does it with an ab wheel. I was like, oh, that's next level. That's next level. There's like so many different things you could see, like really elite, high level guys do. You're like, oh. I get it. I get it.

• 1:44:32Joe Rogan?

  Just mobility drills and.

• 1:44:34Speaker 01

  Hip exercises, rotating the hips is a big one.

• 1:44:37Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. What kind of shit do you do for that?

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  You go a single leg. I like to do the single leg and then be on one leg and then rotate your hip like if you was doing the full circle of your hip.

• 1:44:48Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  But do it on one leg so you get the glute burning.

• 1:44:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so you're doing that on one and you're balancing too.

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you on one leg, just try to rotate this hip forward ten and backwards ten. On one leg, opening the hips always key. Land on the ground, getting this leg to this leg. This, this leg to this arm, you know, land on your stomach, rotating your back leg to your back. Stay open, you know, stay. I feel like older we get, the tighter your muscles get, so.

• 1:45:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  Just make sure you're stretching more than you, you know, you tighten them up, because keep your muscles long as you get older to keep muscles soft.

• 1:45:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, um, when I'm getting lazy, I don't stretch either.

• 1:45:27Speaker 01

  Gotta stretch.

• 1:45:27Joe Rogan?

  And I realize like, yep, that's probably also how I got injured. Um, would you ever fuck with yoga?

• 1:45:34Speaker 01

  Absolutely, yoga is amazing.

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I love it.

• 1:45:37Speaker 01

  Man, scratch, you feel, you feel like, once you do yoga, your body feel just better overall even once you're done, right? You can feel the difference right away.

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you feel like everything's working together too, like all the connective areas are getting strengthened. All the balance and all the stuff that keeps your posture in line. Yeah.

• 1:45:57Speaker 01

  Health is wealth, man. Anytime you, you know, you gotta make accountability to be able to, you know, take care of yourself. That's what life's about, you know, exercising, eating healthy.

• 1:46:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:46:08Speaker 01

  Chance to live a good life.

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  Do they coach in the NFL how to eat, what supplements to take? They tell you what to do?

• 1:46:15Speaker 01

  I mean, they can't, they will, but it's usually, you know, kind of up to you and yourself as a player. You know, if you want to take care of yourself, they getting your blood work and got everything right in front of you. So for me, I usually take my blood test to know what my body digest, what food I need to put in, take. You know, what provide less inflammatory, what's good for me, what's not.

• 1:46:34Joe Rogan?

  So when they take your blood test, did they sit down with you and go over the results and talk to you about like what you need and what?

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  It's gotta be for you, like. You gotta take the initiative to go to them and you know what I mean? This is a business at the end of the day, like you gotta do what's best for you yourself.

• 1:46:49Joe Rogan?

  For sure, but I would imagine for them, it would be beneficial to them to make their athletes perform at the very best they can. So give them as much information as they could.

• 1:46:57Speaker 01

  I would hope so, but using the NFL, they pay you money and it's like.

• 1:47:01Joe Rogan?

  You figured it out.

• 1:47:02Speaker 01

  He has on you now.

• 1:47:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Um, what about like saunas and cold plunge?

• 1:47:07Speaker 01

  Sauna is the best, everyday cold plunge, sauna, man, that's healthy living.

• 1:47:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:11Speaker 01

  Sauna is the best, flush out, cold tub, feeling brand new.

• 1:47:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:16Speaker 01

  That's pretty, pretty imminent recovery right there.

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  It's everything, right?

• 1:47:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, like that's what you live for, the hot steam, cold tub, man, that's the best feeling ever.

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  So what's the next move right now for Antonio Brown? What are we gonna do?

• 1:47:30Speaker 01

  I feel like, you know, just keep, you know, being myself, giving back to the world. I feel like I wanna start a seven on seven team, give some local kids in Miami, Tampa some opportunities to travel, you know, play seven on seven flag football, uh, obviously podcast, maybe do more on CTSBN. Uh, you know, just be happy and hopefully the Hall of Fame in twenty twenty seven.

• 1:47:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, nice.

• 1:47:55Speaker 01

  You know, I'm, I'm me and Ben Roethlisberger in that class together.

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  So that'd be a good opportunity, uh.

• 1:48:02Joe Rogan?

  What do you do with, uh, with kids? Were you talking about flag football?

• 1:48:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, flag football is a big thing right now where you take the kids, uh, different tournaments all over the world, allowing them to compete, giving them opportunities to live their dreams. Different age groups, you know what I mean?

• 1:48:16Joe Rogan?

  And you're involved in that?

• 1:48:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, sending them now, get our own team, me and Kodak Black, uh, one of my close friends from Miami. Probably start a volleyball league, volleyball league for the women and some flag football for the team.

• 1:48:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 1:48:30Speaker 01

  Security activities to help some kids achieve their goals and taking them different tournaments to be able to compete all over the. The world.

• 1:48:40Joe Rogan?

  That's cool that you have that focus, that you wanna like, help kids too.

• 1:48:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:45Joe Rogan?

  Help them, you know, and also like, when they see a guy like you who's done it, been there, done that.

• 1:48:49Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:48:50Joe Rogan?

  You know, been at the top, they could say, oh, it's positive, he's a human, he's just like me. You know, and him talking to me and working with me, maybe I can get something done in this life.

• 1:48:59Speaker 01

  I got some new music coming out, um, actually tomorrow, a song called Click It, uh, Forty One, uh, Cal Rich, Tata, Jen Carter.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  Nice.

• 1:49:09Speaker 01

  So, it's been a blessing, man, it's just.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Are you working with Kanye anymore?

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I work with him too, he's not ever, yeah, I got some cool stuff coming as well.

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  Really, still working with him?

• 1:49:18Speaker 01

  Still working on that.

• 1:49:19Joe Rogan?

  When was the last time you saw him?

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  I saw him in L A a couple of weeks ago.

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  He's a wild man.

• 1:49:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a side, he just.

• 1:49:25Joe Rogan?

  When he showed up at the Grammys with his wife naked?

• 1:49:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:30Joe Rogan?

  Turn around, okay, bye. And then he leaps, he doesn't even go to the Grammys.

• 1:49:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:35Joe Rogan?

  He just shows up, walks the red carpet, his wife takes his clothes off, and he goes home.

• 1:49:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's just, out of there, okay, we good.

• 1:49:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's good, man, we excited about, you know, he bought me this chain, this Donda Sports.

• 1:49:48Joe Rogan?

  He bought you that?

• 1:49:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:49Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:49:49Speaker 01

  Donda Sports, the sports brand that he opened up.

• 1:49:52Joe Rogan?

  That's the GDP of a small island.

• 1:49:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:57Joe Rogan?

  Look at the size of that fucking thing.

• 1:49:59Speaker 01

  So, we gotta get Donda Sports back, you know, Kanye made me presidential, president of the Donda Sports.

• 1:50:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:50:05Speaker 01

  We had a lot of basketball team we used to have in L A. A lot of kids came out of it, you know, and we plan on getting back to it. And doing some other things creatively in the music space, so I'm excited for those announcements coming soon, twenty twenty five, so.

• 1:50:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool, so what, what are, what sports are you getting involved with?

• 1:50:24Speaker 01

  Uh, basketball has been a huge sport for Donda Sports, uh, had a couple of players, you know, uh, come out of Donda Sports.

• 1:50:31Joe Rogan?

  So, what is he, is he doing, is he managing them, like, what is, uh?

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  Uh, he had a whole prep school that was, you know, allowing the kids to go to school, uh, Donda Sports, giving them opportunity to play basketball, taking them, play different games.

• 1:50:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:50:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, we had, uh, Rob Dillan, who used to be in the program, who played for the Minnesota Timberwolves, now got drafted, who went to Kentucky University, I mean, went to, uh. I think he went to Duke University and came out and went.

• 1:50:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 1:51:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 1:51:00Joe Rogan?

  So he represents them, gives them advice.

• 1:51:03Speaker 01

  I didn't represent them, just allowed them to go to school and play basketball.

• 1:51:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, just help them?

• 1:51:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, just help them to get to the next level, not even represent them or nothing.

• 1:51:11Joe Rogan?

  But also like being under that umbrella is like notoriety.

• 1:51:14Speaker 01

  Absolutely, give them the exposure, the right opportunities to just go to the next level.

• 1:51:19Joe Rogan?

  So is this something Kanye's gonna expand to other sports as well?

• 1:51:23Speaker 01

  I mean, we was talking about it. I mean, he, they don't really know a lot about sports, you know? That's why he put me on, you know, Justin La Boy in regards to basketball and other sports athletes to just give them the opportunity to live out their dreams.

• 1:51:36Joe Rogan?

  That's really cool, man. That's very cool. It's, it's nice that you're interested in doing that, that you wanna help young kids achieve their goals.

• 1:51:44Speaker 01

  It's a true measure of success, you know? I've been blessed in my life to, you know, live a beautiful life, experience in the NFL, you know? You know, that's our jobs as, you know, humans, you know? Give other people the best experience, you know? Give them a chance to do something they may not be able to do in their life, so I'm grateful just to be in that position, you know, to give back.

• 1:52:04Joe Rogan?

  That's a beautiful philosophy. It's a good way to look at life, you know? You're living your lives, you're happy, you're also helping people be happy. Yeah, and cracking on people.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, a couple jokes here and there, wasn't it?

• 1:52:18Joe Rogan?

  You write all that shit yourself, or do you have anybody help you?

• 1:52:21Speaker 01

  I be writing it.

• 1:52:22Joe Rogan?

  You write all of it?

• 1:52:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God, that's amazing.

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  I be writing it.

• 1:52:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:27Speaker 01

  It's hilarious.

• 1:52:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, the response has been pretty amazing, right?

• 1:52:31Speaker 01

  Oh, they love it. Smokes and jokes, man, it's funny.

• 1:52:33Joe Rogan?

  I mean, imagine the idea of a ex-football player starting an award show and it gets 200 million views.

• 1:52:41Speaker 01

  He has a blessing.

• 1:52:42Joe Rogan?

  I mean, very much so. But it was also because you had like laid the groundwork of being funny all the time on Twitter and being that wild follow that people like to go check you out. So when you do something like that award show, everybody's like, "Yeah, I can't wait."

• 1:52:55Speaker 01

  I'm looking forward to it.

• 1:52:56Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I was getting texts all day long, man.

• 1:52:59Speaker 01

  That was a big deal.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  So many people were sending me texts about it.

• 1:53:01Speaker 01

  Thank you for participating with it, man. That was awesome, man. That was a big deal.

• 1:53:06Joe Rogan?

  Everybody was, everybody was excited.

• 1:53:08Speaker 01

  Joe on it, let's go.

• 1:53:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everybody is excited because like I said, it's just, it's fun. It's like a thing that wasn't around before and it's like a sign that everything's getting back to normal. That you can do fun kind of shit like that again.

• 1:53:23Speaker 01

  Exactly. We gotta do more, let's do it better this time.

• 1:53:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, I think now everybody is looking forward to the next one. Like now it's established, you know, when you have the second annual awards. Everybody's gonna be very excited about it because it's, it's a necessary thing. We, we need more ridiculous shit in this world to take, take the burden off of a lot of people with just the regular life. You need, you need fun.

• 1:53:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, we need an excitement.

• 1:53:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's valuable. It's not just silly. It's like valuable for people's mental health. It brings people joy and happiness.

• 1:53:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like when, like memes, when my friends send me a funny meme and then I send it to them, we're all like.

• 1:54:04Speaker 01

  I should make you happy, right?

• 1:54:05Joe Rogan?

  It makes me happy. It makes me happy. It's funny.

• 1:54:09Speaker 01

  You're excited.

• 1:54:10Joe Rogan?

  It's like some of the biggest laughs of my day are memes, you know, and I don't even know who's making them. I don't know who's.

• 1:54:17Speaker 01

  It's coming out the blue just.

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  It's just like the universe is creating, I mean, it's obviously people are doing it, but I don't even know who they are. Sometimes you do, sometimes a person like you know, you can give them credit, I'll give them credit, but sometimes like I don't know where this came from. It's on 15 different Instagram pages. People just sent it to you like, alright, I just throw it up my stories.

• 1:54:36Speaker 01

  Entertainment.

• 1:54:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's a fun time, man. It's a fun time. I'm, I'm glad you're a part of it. Cause uh, you know, having a guy like you out there, like having a good time, cracking jokes, it opens up the door for other people to do the same.

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:54:51Joe Rogan?

  Keep it light. Have a good time. Enjoy yourself.

• 1:54:53Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 1:54:54Joe Rogan?

  Alright. Uh, anything else you want to talk about before we wrap this up?

• 1:54:58Speaker 01

  Uh, I think we hit it all.

• 1:55:00Joe Rogan?

  We hit it all? Alright, beautiful. Tell everybody how they find you on X, A B.

• 1:55:05Speaker 01

  A B eighty four on X, A B on I G. Antonio Brown to the world, Hall of Fame twenty twenty seven.

• 1:55:13Joe Rogan?

  Um, website?

• 1:55:15Speaker 01

  Antoniobrown.com, crashoutbuckets.com, ctspn.com.

• 1:55:23Joe Rogan?

  All right, that's it. All right, brother. Well, thank you very much for being here. Continued success. It's amazing. I'm a fan. I'm excited. I love you too. All right. Thank you. Bye, everybody.

• 1:55:47Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what I'm doing. Need a break. Forget it, I quit.

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