#2284 - Ian Carroll

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

• 0:03Speaker 01

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Speaker 00

  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Welcome.

• 0:13Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  Very nice to meet you.

• 0:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, good to be here, man.

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  So, uh, let's take, first of all, why do we love conspiracy so much? Cause I fucking love them.

• 0:21Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  I love them, I love finding out the dirty little tactics and secrets and how the government does things and what the fuck's really going on. Why is it so exciting?

• 0:31Speaker 03

  I think it's something like, deep down in humanity, is like, we love storytelling.

• 0:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:35Speaker 03

  And, and these days, conspiracy theories are like, we, we, I mean, 10 years ago, conspiracy theories were fringe and they were problematic.

• 0:43Joe Rogan?

  Tell me about it.

• 0:44Speaker 03

  Right?

• 0:44Joe Rogan?

  I was a conspiracy theorist way back in the day when you were a fucking nut.

• 0:48Speaker 03

  Dude, you were a conspiracy theorist when I was not even here yet.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  I was arguing with people about the moon landing on the radio before the fucking, before there was any podcasts.

• 0:56Speaker 03

  I mean, I, maybe there's some of the mystery element, but the thing is that so many of them are, it's, it's a knowledge, it's a thirst for knowledge, because some of them are total bullshit.

• 1:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:05Speaker 03

  But some of them are clearly, there's something there.

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  Clearly.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  And realistically, if you had, like, the journalists of integrity from 1960's era alive today and they hadn't been bought out and shot in the head and whatever else happened, they would be conspiracy theorists.

• 1:20Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I think even in the 60's, they were compromised.

• 1:21Speaker 03

  Well, they were getting bought out.

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  The big one, um, is Woodward with the Watergate story.

• 1:26Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  Did you see Bill Murray when I had Bill Murray in here the other day?

• 1:29Speaker 03

  I haven't watched it yet, no.

• 1:31Joe Rogan?

  Bob Woodward wrote Wired, which is about John Belushi. Bill Murray read five pages of it and he said, "Holy shit, they framed Nixon." He said, "The Bob Woodward story about Belushi was so full of shit. It was so exaggerated and fake and just filled with nonsense." He's like, John Belushi was a lightweight. He goes, "John Belushi would drink three beers and he'd be drunk." He goes, "He was probably the first speedball he ever took and he died from it." Like, this whole thing about him being this raving, drug-fueled maniac was totally fabricated.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  It like, it's a good example of how the mainstream narrative had Nixon as a, as a crook.

• 2:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  And, and he's just one of many examples, right? And when you really start to look into it, you realize, I mean, probably not the greatest guy, but what was the real story there? What were they framing? Who, why were they trying to get him out?

• 2:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, this is not a defense of Nixon. Nixon was not a great guy. But Tucker thinks that Nixon knew about, too much about the JFK assassination and wanted to talk about it.

• 2:34Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:35Joe Rogan?

  And he started saying, "I know who killed J.F. Curry."

• 2:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:38Joe Rogan?

  And he started, he started yapping and they were like, "Let's get this motherfucker out of here." And also, one of the terms that he had agreed to, to run for president was Gerald Ford, who was on the fucking Warren Commission.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Bingo.

• 2:51Joe Rogan?

  Gerald Ford as his VP.

• 2:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:54Joe Rogan?

  So Gerald Ford becomes the first ever non-elected president. He slips in, he becomes president for kind of a bullshit term.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  Yep, does a whole bunch of war party things and just a whole bunch of bullshit.

• 3:05Joe Rogan?

  And we decide that Nixon was the real problem with the country.

• 3:08Speaker 03

  I mean, how often is it that they're allowing someone that they aren't sure about to get to president? And they're putting, they're sticking them with a VP that is their guy, right?

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, Dick Cheney.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  LBJ with JFK.

• 3:20Joe Rogan?

  Dick Cheney.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  Dick Cheney.

• 3:21Joe Rogan?

  Everybody, it was the hidden secret that, well, Pence was a, I don't think.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  I don't know what the hell to think about Mike Pence.

• 3:26Joe Rogan?

  Pence is like a preacher. I think he was good to get the fucking, the religious people on.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  Super rhino, super like, yeah.

• 3:32Joe Rogan?

  Weird guy.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I mean, Trump is a weird guy too. Like, who knows what's going on with Trump right now?

• 3:36Joe Rogan?

  He's an animal.

• 3:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:37Joe Rogan?

  He's the most fun ever.

• 3:39Speaker 03

  I, I love Trump conspiracy theories because people get so riled up and it's so partisan and political, but within it, there's all this like juicy, like meat for, for thinking about, it's like, not even conspiracy theories, it's just like his history.

• 3:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  And especially with the Epstein stuff now and his history with Epstein, it just gets me so interested in, you'll, you'll never know the real story.

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  But here's the thing about theories and stuff. There's so many things that are so weird.

• 4:08Joe Rogan?

  That you would think, wait, well, this can't be real. This is fake.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 4:12Joe Rogan?

  And, and then it's connected to real life events in some sort of a way that you would think there's a conspiracy. Like, here's the, one of my favorites is Little Baron Trump's.

• 4:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude, I just got the book. It just came in the mail. Have you read it?

• 4:25Joe Rogan?

  No!

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Dude, I'm gonna read it. I just got it.

• 4:27Joe Rogan?

  I should buy it. I should buy the book before it gets bought out.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  I got it in a three-part series that has the Baron Trump one, and then the last president, and there's one other one.

• 4:35Joe Rogan?

  And then how about the Werner von Braun one about a guy named Elon that takes us to Mars? He wrote, Werner von Braun, the fucking Nazi who ran, you know, Operation Paperclip and became the head of NASA.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  Super occultist kinda stuff in there, like.

• 4:49Joe Rogan?

  Writes a novel about a guy named Elon that takes us to Mars. And even Elon saw that, and he's like, is this real? Like, like you would think. There's no way.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  I mean, simultaneous to us kinda getting like some version of UAP disclosure that implies time travel.

• 5:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Which is like, lord knows what that is. But it's just so fun to speculate because it's like, how would we know?

• 5:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, how would we know? And the, the whole UAP thing, boy, you wanna find a cauldron of bullshit.

• 5:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:19Joe Rogan?

  That's the cauldron. Do you know who's got the best take on it? Is Jacques Vallée. I'm in the middle of-

• 5:26Speaker 03

  I've not seen a lot of his stuff.

• 5:27Joe Rogan?

  My third book of his right now, and it's, uh, I'll tell you what it's called.

• 5:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I should read some.

• 5:33Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  Why, why do you say he's the best? Like, what's your qualifier there?

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  This, I'm on, uh, this one, Confrontations. Which is one of a three-part series of, uh, human interactions that have been documented with some sort of, uh, an, an invader from some other dimension or planet or whatever the fuck it is. He is the most irrational. He's the most analytical. He's the least likely to buy into horseshit. But not dismissive of strange-

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Critical balance, right?

• 6:04Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Well, he's the guy that they modeled, the French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, after. So he's been in this game since the 60s, investigating these things.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  And time in the game counts for a ton. It counts for so mu- And that's my greatest weakness in a lot of ways, among several, is that I'm just really new to the game. And so I'm constantly like catching up on shit and his stuff breaks.

• 6:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:26Speaker 03

  Like, like Pam Bondi, for example, I have no history on who Pam Bondi is because I wasn't paying attention when Pam Bondi was in Florida. And so I'm having to like play catch up on what was going on.

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  And the people that have been here for forever, like the Alex Joneses of this world, the Jacques Valais, the people that like watch things break live. You just get a different level of context. And then you get like the David Ices that are like, it's fucking reptiles, dude, they're all reptiles. David, have you seen David I coming after me on Twitter recently?

• 6:54Joe Rogan?

  He came after me too.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Dude, it's so good. I love him.

• 6:56Joe Rogan?

  I make fun of the reptile thing and it's like, why won't you have me on?

• 7:00Speaker 03

  I genuinely really appreciate it. It's like a good time. And it's like, maybe there are reptiles. I don't know, man.

• 7:05Joe Rogan?

  He went too far in time where there was no internet.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:08Joe Rogan?

  You know, he went too far.

• 7:09Speaker 03

  It's you get too certain of yourself, right? You think you have the answers and you just keep going.

• 7:14Joe Rogan?

  A little bit of a grift.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:15Joe Rogan?

  With some of these folks. I'm not saying necessarily him, but it's a little bit of a grift.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Well, it's, it's an easy temptation to fall into, especially with the internet. Like every single day, people in my position, I mean, people in your position too. Like we have the ability to just like, I'm going to get views and money if I drop deep down this grift. But a lot of them are not like, a lot of them, when you look into them, you realize, oh, there's like literally nothing there.

• 7:37Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of stuff that's clickbait horseshit for sure.

• 7:40Speaker 03

  Or at least there's probably nothing there.

• 7:41Joe Rogan?

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• 9:27Speaker 03

  The one that I just recently kind of was reminded of is, you know the story that Disney sent kids to Epstein Island?

• 9:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I did hear that.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  Such a money conspiracy theory. It's not true. It's when you look it up, you realize that, I mean, a lot of the information's kind of gone. It's hard to even tell if it's legitimate websites and information, which is already a red flag. But the ones that are still up, they just sent them into like the ocean, like they were going on cruises that happened to be in the vicinity of the island. That's totally different.

• 9:55Joe Rogan?

  Which is a very popular vacation destination.

• 9:58Speaker 03

  And so it becomes this like, and that's kind of the, I think that's the fun part of the game.

• 10:02Joe Rogan?

  We thought about buying the island.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  Dude.

• 10:05Joe Rogan?

  When the island was for sale, we talked about it for a second. Let's put some of that Spotify money to use. That would be funny.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  I think they would have stopped you, dude. I think someone would have stopped you.

• 10:14Joe Rogan?

  100%. Me?

• 10:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:16Joe Rogan?

  I can't shut the fuck up.

• 10:18Speaker 03

  Because there's shit underneath that island. For sure.

• 10:20Joe Rogan?

  There's got to be something on that island that's incriminating. And also, what's in the walls? What's in the walls of the buildings? Like, I would get into the wiring. I'd bring in pros. I'd be like, tell me what the fuck's going on. I'd scan the fucking floors.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, lidar the ocean floor and the surrounding miles.

• 10:38Joe Rogan?

  He's dead, so if he ever fucking hid some shit in there, no one knows where it is.

• 10:42Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 10:43Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna raise that building.

• 10:45Speaker 03

  I assume he's dead, but there was so much, like, so much shit around it that like, I don't feel a hundred percent sure. I feel like ninety-five percent sure that he's dead, ninety-eight percent sure that he's dead.

• 10:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, I wouldn't go a hundred either.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, right, you know what I'm saying? It's like, there's very few things I feel a hundred percent sure about.

• 10:59Joe Rogan?

  Autopsy.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  But they did an autopsy on JFK too, and it was not his body.

• 11:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, sort of. They did two autopsies.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 11:07Joe Rogan?

  They, they, well, they did, the initial examination of the body was in Dallas, and then they flew it to Bethesda.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:14Joe Rogan?

  The thing about that is, and this is a part of David Lifton's book, Best Evidence, which made me become a conspiracy theorist.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  I've never read it.

• 11:23Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking great. And David Lifton, who is an accountant, they gave him, I forget what the project was, but it was something to do with the Warren Commission report. So, this guy's like a serious bookworm. He read the entire Warren Commission, which fucking nobody does.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 11:41Joe Rogan?

  And it's like nine thousand pages.

• 11:42Speaker 03

  That's a superpower, being able to read like that.

• 11:44Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, and find contradictions over and over and over again. He's like, this is horseshit, this whole thing's horseshit. And then he found out that Kennedy's brain was missing when it got all the way to Bethesda. He found out that the Dallas doctors said that the neck wound was an entry wound, and then the ones in Bethesda turned it into a tracheotomy hole. It was a bullet hole. He got shot. You could see him go like that.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  He's all over the place. And then you could also see his face get blown off, and they published photos of him from the official autopsy where his face was visible.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  I have a theory, and this is just mine.

• 12:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm really curious to hear yours.

• 12:18Joe Rogan?

  The only one. I think he got shot in the head at the same time from two different directions.

• 12:23Speaker 03

  That's a good theory, honestly.

• 12:24Joe Rogan?

  Because there's a bit of spray that goes forward, which is not- Gen- like, things are weird when you hit them with bullets. Like, people have shot people in the head and the bullets come out their eye. Like, it ricochets around like a 22 or something like that. Weird things happen when you shoot things. But some things are super consistent. And one thing that's super consistent is when you hit something, it goes in the direction that you hit it, right? So, back into the left. Hicks used to talk about that all the time. Back into the left, making fun of the fact that the Seprueder films clearly show that it wasn't a shot from the back. But the head goes spray, too. It goes spray like this back into the left. Can we see it? Let's see it real quick.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, something I love about the JFK story is that there are so many deep experts that have really done the dig, and they don't all come to the same conclusions.

• 13:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing about Lifton's book. He also documents how many witnesses were murdered. And it's astounding.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  That's the- that's the part that often gets left off, too.

• 13:23Joe Rogan?

  Their cars got parked on railroad tracks, and they died of heart attacks when they were 30, and they got fucking shot in a robbery, and they committed suicide, they gassed, they fell asleep in their car.

• 13:34Speaker 03

  Man, Hillary Clinton sure got started early.

• 13:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:38Joe Rogan?

  Back into the left. Watch this. Watch this, the explosion.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, because he's already hitting the neck.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  You're totally right. It's like a cloud in the front, right?

• 13:49Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it could be that the top of his head exploded right there, and the force drives him back. It also could- there is- there's another possibility. And the possibility is spontaneous nerve reaction of your body shutting down, which could cause you to go back into the left, even if you get shot in the front.

• 14:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:12Joe Rogan?

  But the thing is, the spray, this- or if you get shot in the back, rather, the spray looks like it's going forward. Like, we'll watch when he gets hit. See that?

• 14:24Speaker 03

  Yup. It's just weird.

• 14:26Joe Rogan?

  But that could be, but the thing is, there's not a bullet hole on the other side. So that could be just the opening of the head, and it's an explosion of blood that comes out.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:37Joe Rogan?

  Also, you have to realize, he's probably bleeding internally already. He got shot in the neck. So he gets shot here, there's probably blood spraying all over the place inside of his head. And then boom, he gets shot in the front of his head, but his head clearly goes back into the left. Like, almost instantaneously. And in a way that you would imagine if you got, if someone got hit like that. Watch this again.

• 15:02Joe Rogan?

  Boom, he gets hit.

• 15:03Speaker 03

  Catch on that frame.

• 15:05Joe Rogan?

  And then back.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  And it's all gone, like, his face is just clearly open right there.

• 15:08Joe Rogan?

  Gone, right.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  And it's clearly not a shot from behind. I mean, like...

• 15:12Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely not, it's definitely not a shot from behind because there's no entry wound in the back of his head. And if you're saying that that thing hit the front of his head, or the side of his head from behind like that...

• 15:22Speaker 03

  I, I feel like if there was a conspiracy theorist training course, the JFK assassination would be like the perfect, like, dry run training course to like build it around. Because you have all the pieces. You have like, you have a complex conspiracy with unknown actors from intelligence agencies and organized crime, and maybe multiple governments, it's like, and we don't know that all that. Then you have a complex cover-up that evolved over time. You have like researchers, you have, uh, bad information being fed in from outside. You have conspiracy theorists that are taking it in directions that are un, like, corroborable.

• 15:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  It's got all the things that you need to both learn how to dig into and learn how to watch out for. It's a lot of fun.

• 15:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, and also, people didn't really get serious about it until about 12 years after the assassination.

• 16:04Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  So when Geraldo Rivera has Dick Gregory on his show, oh, what's this?

• 16:11Joe Rogan?

  Ooh.

• 16:11Speaker 03

  Whoa. Have you guys ever heard the theory that frames were taken out of the Seprueder film to make it look like the car never slowed down?

• 16:18Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 16:20Speaker 03

  That's bizarre. The thing is, I don't know how to trust things like AI reconstructions of videos.

• 16:25Joe Rogan?

  Let's just trust it, bro. It's funny. Boom. Oh my goodness. That is so crazy.

• 16:33Speaker 03

  So.

• 16:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, that's so crazy.

• 16:35Speaker 03

  The theory about the driver shooting him, that's the one I've never bought, honestly.

• 16:40Joe Rogan?

  No, no.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  People always say the driver turned around and shot him, it's like, no.

• 16:43Joe Rogan?

  That's one of those theories that probably the government created.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:47Joe Rogan?

  That's one of those theories to make people look stupid.

• 16:50Speaker 03

  There's an open piece of evidence of some kids that showed up covered in mud at a, at a car shop that they worked at, that it was like a dry day, they showed up covered in mud. And, uh, this, there's a certain guy that theorized that they were hiding in a manhole and shot up at him out of the manhole. And that they, the car slows down in real, in real life, and that witnesses saw the car slow down. And that there's dropped frames from this Pruder film. And it's like, these are these kinds of theories where it's like, it's like, how do you dig into that and like, prove that? And the answer is you have to get to primary sources. You have to get to like, is there a police report for that kid showing up? Like, is there, is that location real? Like, can you corroborate any of this?

• 17:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  And the unfortunate truth is, you could if you could fucking see the files that our government was hiding from us.

• 17:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  Theoretically, anyways.

• 17:35Joe Rogan?

  They're supposed to be released soon, you know, have some patience.

• 17:38Speaker 03

  Dude, they're releasing tomorrow, Joe.

• 17:39Joe Rogan?

  Can you, is that real?

• 17:40Speaker 03

  No.

• 17:41Joe Rogan?

  Um, can you, it's like every day is Christmas.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, for real.

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  Um, can you Google David Lifton, um, witnesses of the JFK assassination odds? Because he did some sort of a calculation of the odds of all these people dying the way they died.

• 18:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude.

• 18:03Joe Rogan?

  And it's cra, it's millions to one.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 18:06Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  That's a big part of what I do is, is it, how likely is it that this is a coincidence? Is it even possible?

• 18:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  Right?

• 18:13Joe Rogan?

  That one's very unlikely, which means they were killing witnesses. Someone was killing witnesses. I think there was people shooting from the back and the front. I think Lee Harvey Oswald, people want to say it's one or zero, I think Lee Harvey Oswald was in on it. I think Lee Harvey Oswald probably didn't shoot the president, though. Uh, but he might have. He might have hit him in the back because there was a shot in the back, too. You know, the whole reason why they had to call this a tracheotomy is the same reason why they had to come up with the single bullet theory.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 18:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So you're a deep on this.

• 18:41Speaker 03

  Because you gotta explain it. Well, I'm not, I'm, I'm as deep as-

• 18:43Joe Rogan?

  You know about the ricochet underneath the overpass?

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Like, I'm deep enough to know the basics, but there's so many layers and you have to read the books. You have to watch the films. You have to like-

• 18:52Joe Rogan?

  You gotta talk to Oliver Stone.

• 18:54Speaker 03

  See the interviews. Exactly.

• 18:55Joe Rogan?

  Oliver Stone just goes off.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  And that's why I was curious to hear your takes.

• 18:58Joe Rogan?

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• 21:27Speaker 03

  Because you've actually talked to these people.

• 21:29Joe Rogan?

  Oliver Stone's the best. Because he's been studying this for fucking ever. And he can tell you exactly what's going on with Dulles.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  And he's not just been studying it forever. He's been studying the actual primary source documents themselves. And like, reading the real archives that are released.

• 21:44Joe Rogan?

  And then, there's a wild connection between Jolly West and Jack Ruby.

• 21:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Jolly West is crazy. Have you read Chaos yet?

• 21:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:54Speaker 03

  Dude. So I didn't know about Jolly until I read Chaos. And then I started digging it. Because I knew about MKUltra. I'm like, I have been learning about MKUltra when I was a kid, like, doing psychedelics. But I didn't really understand anything about that history or anything around the CIA back then.

• 22:09Joe Rogan?

  They ran the hate Ashbury free clinic.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:11Joe Rogan?

  And they closed it down after Chaos came out.

• 22:15Speaker 03

  No way?

• 22:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes way.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  So just recently, huh?

• 22:17Joe Rogan?

  The entire time, they had been running. This clinic, it's not like they were running the clinic and they said, you know what? Let's not run the clinic anymore. Let's just give it to regular doctors.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  Seventies are over, like whatever.

• 22:28Joe Rogan?

  The peace and war bullshit, or peace and love bullshit, that's over.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, one of the conspiracy theories that's-

• 22:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes, it's coming out this week.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  Really? This week?

• 22:36Joe Rogan?

  Tom O'Neill is my friend Greg's, uh, longtime friend and former neigh- well, I think they're still neighbors. But they were neighbors in New York and then they were neighbors in California.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  That's a pretty cool neighbor.

• 22:48Joe Rogan?

  Been, yeah, very cool neighbor. But this guy's been working on this one fucking story for 20 years. You imagine just like pulling your hair out, just going crazy for 20 years?

• 22:57Speaker 03

  No, I'm a generalist and I rely on people like that because I could never stay with something for that long.

• 23:02Joe Rogan?

  No, he, he could have wrote and written many other books on the exact same subject. He can keep going, like part two more I know, part three more I know.

• 23:10Speaker 03

  He could have written a book about each of those, like each of those sketchy dudes that he had questions about. Like each of those CIA guys, each of those weird doctors.

• 23:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, each of those times, how about each time that Manson got away with like committing crimes?

• 23:23Speaker 03

  And the girls too.

• 23:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they're like, oh, it's above our pay grade. So they were paying people to do this. They were giving the Manson family LSD and money. They were allowing them to commit crimes. And the whole idea was just to change the idea what people thought of as hippies. And to stop the anti-war movement. And also to see what they can get away, what they could do with this asset.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  I mean, to me, the big question is, that seems like the first, like, for sure that's going on, right? Is to co-opt the hippie, I mean, first the hippie movement probably was to co-opt the anti-war movement that was pretty buttoned up. Like, I suspect that LSD did not just escape the lab. I suspect they were like, quick, turn all these kids into crazy hippies, like, try this out, try this out, try this out.

• 24:05Joe Rogan?

  Really? Why do you think that?

• 24:07Speaker 03

  Have you read, um, Strange Scenes Inside Laurel Canyon?

• 24:09Joe Rogan?

  I started to read it, I have not finished it.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  So, I mean, even just the first chapter, right? So if you take that book's premise, it's basically that before the hippie movement, there was a very powerful organized anti-war movement led by a bunch of Quakers, a bunch of black activists, a bunch of, like, my dad was one of them. And it was not this hippie fringe thing. It was a very powerful anti-Vietnam protest. The moment that LSD gets introduced, it becomes all peace and love. And he points out in that book how all of these, like Frank Zappa, like lead members of the Doors, people organized the Monterey Pop Festival, over and over and over. Like, he probably has two to three dozen examples specifically he goes deep into. They all just happened to move from wherever they are all over the world into this area in LA that is not a hotbed for music.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  And they all just start making music about peace and love and doing LSD. And all of them have parents that are from special forces, intelligence operations, Pentagon. Like, some of the musicians themselves have backgrounds that look exactly like CIA operatives that were doing like revolutions in Cuba and overseas.

• 25:13Joe Rogan?

  Like who in specific?

• 25:14Speaker 03

  Like, the lead singer of the Doors, Jim Morrison, for example. Frank Zappa, so Frank Zappa is one where his dad and his mom were both... Frank Zappa's dad worked at the base that was like the chemical weapons, like where they did their chemical weapons research. His dad was a chemical weapons specialist with like top-secret clearances. Which is basically like, when you read about what his dad was, it sounds a lot like what MKUltra would be. It sounds a lot like what you would like drug experiments.

• 25:45Joe Rogan?

  Chemical weapons is drug experiments?

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Well, chemical is the wrong word. Psychological operations. But it's right there, like it's on his Wikipedia page. It's not hard to find these things. What that guy did, I'm forgetting who wrote the book, but what he did was not like find uncovered evidence that had never been uncovered. He just looked at all these different people whose histories were very public. But he put it all together and realized like, that's a lot of people that all moved to this one place and all started producing music that was like all within this one thing. Like, Jim Morrison, his dad was the lead commander of the boat that was in the Gulf of Tonkin that started the Vietnam War. That's like kind of a weird coincidence.

• 26:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  And you could definitely make the explanation that... Kids often rebel against their parents, right? Kids often step out of line and are like, like fuck the old way.

• 26:35Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  But a lot of them were ex-military. Like directly ex-suits and ex-CIA.

• 26:42Joe Rogan?

  Was Morrison an ex-military?

• 26:44Speaker 03

  No, Morrison, I don't believe he was.

• 26:46Joe Rogan?

  Why, why do you think that he looks like a CIA operative then?

• 26:49Speaker 03

  No, no, not Morrison. It's, I was saying Frank Zappa.

• 26:52Joe Rogan?

  But you said lead singer of The Doors too.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  No, that was just me giving examples. The guy specifically that he said that had the history that was, um, that looked, he was doing, uh, what looked like color revolutions in Cuba. Um, because I'm not super familiar with the music of that time, I might forget what band he was in. Might have been The Mamas and the Papas. There was a couple of guys in The Mamas and Papas that he did deep dives in.

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  But here's the question. You can't.

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  You can't like fake talent. You know what I'm saying?

• 27:22Speaker 03

  Well, a lot of them didn't write their own songs.

• 27:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  And I mean, like, you can't fake talent, like, look at Diddy, bro.

• 27:28Joe Rogan?

  Good.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Oh, no, Jim, yeah, some of them were great.

• 27:30Joe Rogan?

  Jim Morrison was fucking good.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  And Frank Zappa was crazy great.

• 27:34Joe Rogan?

  But this is the thing, it's like you can't, like.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 27:37Joe Rogan?

  I don't thi- but here's the thing, they could push people with talent that they also could use to further their agenda.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:46Joe Rogan?

  And make those people more popular than they would be organically.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:49Joe Rogan?

  And put a lot of emphasis behind it. The, and the reason why this, this tracks is because what Nixon did. So with, with this sweeping psychedelic act of 1970.

• 28:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:01Joe Rogan?

  They passed this, they made mushrooms and all these different things illegal so that they could go after the civil rights activists.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 28:08Joe Rogan?

  And the anti-war activists.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 28:10Joe Rogan?

  And the Black Panthers. They've shut them all down. Go after them for having these things that were societal disruptors.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  It also makes fertile ground for COINTELPRO. When you have things like drugs and drug culture, like fertile ground for COINTELPRO.

• 28:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is the big thing about Jolly West and Manson is that Jolly West allegedly taught Manson how to use psychedelics and manipulate people. And oftentimes when Manson was with the family, apparently, he pretended to take LSD. And they all took it. And then he would manipulate them.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  And then he did like hypnotism and like weird speeches and like, it really does look like, and the thing is that I respect Tom O'Neill so much because he didn't try to claim things he couldn't prove.

• 28:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 28:50Speaker 03

  But he just put it all out there and was like, this is what I'm seeing and say, think what you think. And it looks to me like, like you're saying, that Manson was either directly trained to practice these things and carry them out. Or he was sort of like a patsy in the operation that they kind of like gave him the, the setting within which to just go along his megalomaniacal impulses. And just kind of kept tabs on him and kept him safe and just kept him going. I think it's, I think he wasn't a part of it.

• 29:16Joe Rogan?

  I think he was a part of it.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Because of how effective he was.

• 29:18Joe Rogan?

  They visited him in prison.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:20Joe Rogan?

  This is why I think he's a part of it. I think they've recognized in prison, like, look, you got two choices. You could be in jail for the rest of your fucking life, or we can work for you. We think you're brilliant. We think you're an amazing mind of untapped talent. And you know, you pray, you pray to this narcissist ego. And you start telling him things and the next thing you know, he's out there in the street working for you like a little hobo.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  It's crazy how many people that wind up in these weird positions came out of like, you were in prison, then you got released, or you were in like trouble and then you got. And the girls, like the girls, it's crazy. Those girls, like, some of them had committed some minor crimes, but a lot of them were just regular people. And then suddenly they become like absolute, like murderers, like dark, dark murders. Those were gross.

• 30:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think mind control is real, right?

• 30:05Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 30:06Joe Rogan?

  And I think, I think hypnosis is real, acid is real. And then the techniques that they've developed over decades of fucking with people with these drugs, they know what to do.

• 30:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, the dark thing that, I mean, we don't need to go into it because it's real dark, but the, I think that when you study the MKUltra files. And this is where there's a lot of conspiracy theories that are hard to prove. There's a bunch of witness victim testimony, but it's hard to prove. Is the Monarch programs are an alleged program that never got disclosed. And that's all the programs that are hidden behind child sexual abuse. Being a part of mind control because a lot of the drugs, like, they can break people's minds and they can be involved in mind control. But a lot of those papers talk about dissociative identity disorder as like the holy grail of that Manchurian candidate concept. And it makes A lot of sense if you know what just how dissociative identity disorder works.

• 30:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 30:53Speaker 03

  And that is most commonly associated with dark grim childhood sexual abuse. And then you get all these victim testimonies, hundreds and hundreds of people these days talking about how they are were a part of these programs. Like people that were on Epstein's island that claimed to have been victimized as children and and put subjected to mind control experiments. Paired with childhood sexual abuse.

• 31:15Joe Rogan?

  It's just so hard to believe that people are that evil, but they have been throughout history. This is why it's weird. It's like we'll look back on the Victorian era or we'll look back on the, you know, the the man boy love of the, you know, Socrates era. We'll go, that's just back then.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, we've evolved now. We're more cultured.

• 31:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:35Joe Rogan?

  But when the, when they've identified specific aspects of traumatic past that they can use these particular victims of trauma, of childhood trauma and take them and turn them into weapons.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 31:50Joe Rogan?

  That's so wild.

• 31:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:51Joe Rogan?

  But that's, that is an asset, right? If you've got someone who's so fucking crazy, you could talk to them and get them to do things and give them acid and get them to Sirhan Sirhan levels or whatever the fuck they did to Jack Ruby. UFC 313 is back in Vegas. It won't be paradise for one of the light heavyweights in the main event. Don't miss out on any of the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, the official sports betting partner of the UFC. Alex Pereira defends his light heavyweight title against Magomed Ankalaev. But that's just the cherry on top of an amazing night of fights. It's super easy for first timers to get started. Try betting on something simple like picking a fighter to win.

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• 33:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean-

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  You get people to do things.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Break Jack Ruby's mind in an instant, like-

• 33:37Joe Rogan?

  In jail, yeah.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  And the craziest thing is that we've been living in a world where for all of our history until the internet, and really until recent internet history, they could do those things and just not have anyone report on it.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 33:48Speaker 03

  And so no one would ever even know. And I think that there's this feeling that the world is so dark right now because we're learning everything.

• 33:55Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 33:55Speaker 03

  And I actually take the opposite view. I think that where the light is being shown and the world is super dark. There's all kinds of crazy horrible people, but there's all kinds of crazy good people, everything in between.

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  And by you have to shine the light on it all before you can fix it.

• 34:08Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely.

• 34:09Speaker 03

  Right?

• 34:09Joe Rogan?

  And I think that's one of the more fascinating things about the fact that this is a weird time for uncovering federal corruption, right? And I think they're in real trouble because I don't think they can use their phones. I don't think they can do the things that they used to be able to do.

• 34:26Speaker 03

  That's a good point.

• 34:27Joe Rogan?

  And I don't think they're united.

• 34:28Speaker 03

  I hadn't thought about that.

• 34:29Joe Rogan?

  This is what I-

• 34:30Speaker 03

  They're definitely not united.

• 34:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 34:31Speaker 03

  100%.

• 34:32Joe Rogan?

  There's rats in that ship.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:34Joe Rogan?

  There's rats in that ship. And I think everybody's scared and so everybody's worried that people were in camera buttons and-

• 34:40Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:41Joe Rogan?

  And so-

• 34:41Speaker 03

  It is the era of secret cameras, too.

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  And they're all selfish fucks, so they're all for themselves. So they probably demonstrated that all throughout these relationships they've had with other people, so nobody trusts anybody.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  Yep. I mean, that's the nature of politics.

• 34:52Joe Rogan?

  And you can't use your phone.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 34:54Joe Rogan?

  You can't use your email. You can't- you probably can't even talk with Alexa in the house.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, I'm at the point where I'm starting to get like, I'm not literally that paranoid, but there are- I've had some conversations in terms of like, people that want to leak a story, which I totally- I'd normally just avoid.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  Because I don't want to touch it. But every now and then I'm like, let's go on a walk. Because I don't want to hear what you have to say around any of this shit. Because I know it's being recorded. I know it can be listened to.

• 35:18Joe Rogan?

  Do you have a crazy phone? Or you use your iPhone?

• 35:19Speaker 03

  No, it's just an iPhone. Yeah, I'm aspiring to get one of those like, one of the Eric Prince phones or something like that.

• 35:24Joe Rogan?

  That's when you've reached the next level of conspiracy. When you get a de Googled phone that doesn't have 5G, you'll use 4.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, but the way I look at it is, so I intentionally do all of my stuff. I basically do open source investigations. I don't try to like break news stories.

• 35:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 35:41Speaker 03

  Because it's way safer and it's way more interesting. And I don't, my goal is not to like, to like know everything or to be some great journalist. My goal is to inspire everybody else, like to inspire the world to think a little more and to be more critical and to look it up for yourself.

• 35:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're also serving a function, like a service for people. Because what you're doing is you're taking all the time to find all this open source and then putting it out there.

• 36:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:03Joe Rogan?

  And you're really thorough about it. You say, this is what I know.

• 36:05Speaker 03

  I try to be.

• 36:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:07Joe Rogan?

  You've also done.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  I mean, I get shit wrong all the time, but.

• 36:09Joe Rogan?

  This thing with your hand above your head, people steal that now.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, like check this out. Well, it's because TikTok's green screen.

• 36:14Joe Rogan?

  It's your hand, the way you do it though with your hand.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  Gets taken away. TikTok will delete one finger if I'm pointing with one finger.

• 36:20Joe Rogan?

  Why?

• 36:20Speaker 03

  Because it's a green screen app and so I'm like using the camera. And it's got in my camera, it's putting the thing behind me. But it's cutting out me. And if I only use one finger, it cuts my whole hand away. So I started doing this.

• 36:31Joe Rogan?

  Why is it uh?

• 36:32Speaker 03

  Just because the green screen, when it's like trying to AI analyze what is a body and what is the background? It'll take away my hand as though it's the background.

• 36:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, how weird. So you started pointing at things like this.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  Gone all the way to doing this at the screen yet, but.

• 36:44Joe Rogan?

  But I see a lot of people that are doing exactly your way. So that's why they're doing it.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  I mean, to be fair, I've, I've had a level of success that is unprecedented. And people call me a controlled opposition because of it. And it's like, they're like, it's like, whatever dude. Like if I was in all of their seats, I would probably be like, where did this dude come from? But at a certain point, it's like an intense level of like suspicion.

• 37:05Joe Rogan?

  Captain controlled opposition over here.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  I know dude.

• 37:08Joe Rogan?

  People think that I'm controlled opposition.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:09Joe Rogan?

  It's, that whole term is funny because there's got to be real controlled opposition. That's why it's, that's why it's a term.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  It's a war dude.

• 37:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it's a.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  It's crazy out here.

• 37:19Joe Rogan?

  Valid strategy.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 37:20Joe Rogan?

  But I think you could figure it out.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, and for me, for me, it's really interesting because, and you know this too, you've been in this game for forever, is when you actually get to meet people in real life, you learn things about them, you get that vibe of them.

• 37:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:32Speaker 03

  It's not, it's not impenetrable, you can be fooled.

• 37:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:35Speaker 03

  But like, how much can you fool? And can you fool all your employees all the time? Like Alex Jones is a great example. People call him controlled opposite, like, he's bought by the Jews, he's bought by the commies, he's bought by the... And it's like, cool, but I know all of his staff, and I've hung out with them, and like, you've known him over years and years, like, is he faking his entire life? Like, I've been on his show, I've seen what...

• 37:55Joe Rogan?

  He was doing the exact same thing when no one was listening.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 37:58Joe Rogan?

  He was on the public radio.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:01Joe Rogan?

  Alex has been saying, he's been talking about this stuff since the 90s, and I've known him since... 90... I guess I met him in 99?

• 38:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I learned the other day that he started Infowars, like, he officially founded Infowars, like, when I was two years old, or something like that. It blew my brains. It was like, what?

• 38:21Joe Rogan?

  The first video of his that really woke me up was the video he did on the World Trade Organization protests in Seattle. When he showed that there was these groups of masked men who dressed in military uniforms with military, military-issue shoes. They all had the same shit on, and they all ran around in this peaceful protest for the World Trade Organization, and started smashing things and lighting things on fire and creating chaos, which allowed the police to then move in. Then these people all holed up in one house, they negotiate with the police and they were all released.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  Weird.

• 39:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  Almost sounds like a few events of the last couple of years, you know?

• 39:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it sounds like Patriot Front, which just went under. They went under the day after...

• 39:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, you didn't know? After USAID was cut?

• 39:11Joe Rogan?

  No, right after Cash Patel gets in.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 39:14Joe Rogan?

  Cash Patel got...

• 39:14Speaker 03

  Let's go.

• 39:15Joe Rogan?

  Pull that up, pull that up.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  Let's go.

• 39:16Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's a video of Patriot Front, and me and Matt Taibbi, I go, "They're feds!" I go, I'm, it's me yelling, "Where's the fat people?" They're all, they're all wearing the same uniform.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  I saw that clip, I saw that clip.

• 39:26Joe Rogan?

  One guy's got a fucking drum, get the fuck out of here, these are feds!

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:29Joe Rogan?

  These are feds. The day after Cash Patel gets in, they disband.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  Funny how that, I mean, that's a, I'm, I'm really interested in like looking for like, right now with all these new people coming in cash and Pam and all, like, all the pics, RFK, I'm really enjoying the process of just trying to watch their actions and trying to figure out who's doing what and how much are they gonna play to the money and play to the people? And it's just such a fascinating exercise in journalism of where do you kinda, and how much leeway do you give them? How much grace do you give them?

• 39:58Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 40:00Speaker 03

  Especially with the Epstein blackmail hanging as a cloud over the entire federal government of, I don't think that any of those three are blackmailed, but I don't feel confident that I know that they're not.

• 40:10Joe Rogan?

  Let's look at it, so, here's a possibility other than blackmail: negotiation.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  Well, that's always a factor.

• 40:17Joe Rogan?

  But, instead of blackmail, if you are a government and you have information on someone who's an asset, or someone who's very wealthy, and this person is like, "Hey, motherfucker, like, what are you doing? You're at 26 times?"

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 40:35Joe Rogan?

  "How about you shut the fuck up from here out? No more Trump's Hitler, cut it out." "How about you say that we did a good job every now and again, give us a little credit, let's work something out here." It's not necessarily blackmail as much as it's negotiation.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  I would argue that's indistinguishable.

• 40:54Joe Rogan?

  Right. Unless you're getting money too. Like, you know, I know.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  No, blackmail is just, I, I know something that you don't want out. And, and any level of threatening that it'll get out, or, you know.

• 41:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay, but what if it goes the other way? What if the wealthy person contacts them? And says, "Listen, I can make things very good for you, I can do this, I can do that. If I go to jail, this is not helping anybody."

• 41:15Speaker 03

  Oh, 100%. Yeah, yeah, reverse.

• 41:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the opposite. That's, so that's bribery, I guess?

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Kind of. It's just, yeah, that's, that's deal making. But I think that a lot of Epstein's targets were willing. I think that a lot of them, cuz I think that we're talking, it's not just Jeffrey Epstein, it's organized crime as a network. Like, he's just an employee of organized crime.

• 41:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 41:36Speaker 03

  And I think that a lot of those people are basically saying, "Yeah, I want into the club." Because if you are like a Reid Hoffman, or allegedly, if you're one of those guys and you want more contracts, or you want more deals, like allegedly, and like, let's be clear, just cuz I say something on Joe's podcast does not mean that Joe fucking agrees with me, CNN, thank you. Because like, I'm a crazy fucker, and I got all kinds of theories about Epstein. But like, I think that a lot of them were willing, because I think a lot of them are, I mean, if you're sick enough to rape a child, like, on Jeffrey Epstein's island, you're sick enough to want into that club.

• 42:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, for sure, throughout history, there have been pedophiles. That's a fact. For sure, some pedophiles get to prominent positions of power. That's a fact, right?

• 42:22Speaker 03

  And the traits that do the same, like-

• 42:25Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy Savile in fucking England, like, that way, that should put it out to bed for anybody.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  Prince Andrew.

• 42:30Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Sandusky.

• 42:31Speaker 03

  Allegedly.

• 42:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't know about him, I'd never heard that, but the Sandusky I've heard.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  You've never heard about Bill Gates?

• 42:36Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know he was into kids.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Oh dude, I mean, he's one of Epstein's closest confidants and-

• 42:41Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing about the Epstein thing.

• 42:44Joe Rogan?

  Weren't they, were they all underage? Were some of them-

• 42:48Speaker 03

  Not at all. No, it's very complex.

• 42:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, and some of them were in their twenties, like, one girl was complaining, or, I shouldn't say complaining, that's a very mild- One girl who-

• 42:58Speaker 03

  Alleging?

• 42:59Joe Rogan?

  Alleging that she was, uh, she was twenty at the time, she was saying.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:04Joe Rogan?

  So, just because someone has been to the island and has been compromised, right? Doesn't necessarily mean that they've been compromised with underage people. But I think there's a specific group that wants underage people.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  Oh, a hundred percent.

• 43:18Joe Rogan?

  Right, and the reason why I say this is not a conspiracy theory, it has been that way throughout history.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  All of history.

• 43:24Joe Rogan?

  There are many, many, many conspiracies that have been uncovered and criminal investigations have found that people were trafficking children. It's been done, so this is not like vampires.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 43:36Joe Rogan?

  We're not talking about- About werewolves.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Child trafficking, like child trafficking rings get exposed and brought down around the world relatively frequently, like at least once a year, but they usually don't make big news because they're usually not like Epstein.

• 43:46Joe Rogan?

  We know there are pedophiles. That's a real thing. We know there are psychos who get very wealthy and want specific things. Look, there's people that drink rhino horn tea.

• 43:58Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 43:59Joe Rogan?

  Right? Why do they drink rhino horn tea? Because the rhino is so endangered, it's so gangster to have rhino horn.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  Elite experience.

• 44:06Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. You want elite experience.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  And what you're talking about is this, it's such an important concept is that some people, like if you wanted to pay for an underage prostitute, people can, you can pay for that. There are people, there are women that would be prostitutes underage. The people that, that we're talking about in the Epstein files that were, that wanted underage girls specifically because they weren't all underage. Some of them wanted overage girls. Some of them were just scientists. They weren't all compromised. But the ones that wanted underage girls, they specifically want what they couldn't have. Because if you wanted sex that you're allowed to have, you just wanted a young girl, you could just go pay for that. What Epstein was doing is he was recruiting girls that were from like American families and kind of tricking them and coercing them. Like they wanted a girl that they wanted the experience of coercing.

• 44:49Speaker 03

  Some of these people, not all of them, want the experience of I'm, I am doing this to a girl that I am coercing, I'm, I am manipulating, or I'm just straight up being physically violent to, to get this thing. Because if you wanted a willing 16 year old, those do exist.

• 45:04Joe Rogan?

  But the thing about these really wealthy, high profile people, and you know, Eric Weinstein was highlighting this to me once. He was saying.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  Smart dude. I like him.

• 45:15Joe Rogan?

  Very smart dude. And then he wasn't making any accusations at all, but he was just talking overall. He goes, I think there are people out there that can facilitate experiences.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 45:28Joe Rogan?

  For discreet clients and that it's very valuable. Like, look at the guy who gave Epstein that house in Manhattan. He gave him the.

• 45:38Speaker 03

  You mean Leslie Wexner?

• 45:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the guy from Victoria's Secret. He gave him a $60 million mansion.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  He did way more than that. He signed his entire. Power of attorney to him.

• 45:48Joe Rogan?

  You're so cool, I'm gonna give you a house.

• 45:50Speaker 03

  No, he gave him the, he gave him the keys to the entire castle of all of Victoria's Secret and Abercrombie and Fitch and all of L Brands.

• 45:57Joe Rogan?

  When you find out that people who worked at Nickelodeon are pedophiles.

• 46:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:01Joe Rogan?

  You go, oh.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Foot fetish, no less.

• 46:04Joe Rogan?

  Right. If you're gonna be a pedophile, wouldn't you go be around kids, like if you could be and sneak around? Okay, wouldn't you think that Sacha Baron Cohen thought he had exposed pedophile ring while filming Who is America? Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot about that.

• 46:20Speaker 05

  Concierge said they can.

• 46:21Joe Rogan?

  They could do some.

• 46:22Speaker 05

  We can help you.

• 46:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, things happen out in, like, it's kinda crazy. Do you remember Andrew Breitbart got killed?

• 46:30Joe Rogan?

  I do remember.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  And he got, he was exposing.

• 46:32Joe Rogan?

  A heart attack.

• 46:33Speaker 03

  Exactly. He was exposing Acorn because, so how, um, oh man, I'm totally blanking on our, our boy these days that does all the, the.

• 46:40Joe Rogan?

  O'Keefe?

• 46:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, O'Keefe. You know that James O'Keefe got his start with, with Breitbart on that story exposing Acorn? And what they did is they sent James O'Keefe and this other female reporter into Acorn.

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  And O'Keefe pretended to be a pimp.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  He, well, they, they asked them for help setting up a underage sex trafficking ring. And the people at Acorn.

• 46:58Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know it was underage.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, that was the, they wanted to, they, they wanted help setting up an underage sex trafficking ring using children from Guatemala. Or from, uh, Central America.

• 47:06Joe Rogan?

  Did they say that in the meeting?

• 47:09Speaker 03

  They, yeah, yeah, they, it's on, that was what was on tape.

• 47:12Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 47:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's a cra, it blew my mind when I read it. I was like, what are we talking about right now? Cause I didn't know that history because I hadn't, I wasn't paying attention back then. And that's, that is the story is that he went in and asked for help setting up a under, I don't think he was like, I don't think he was probably using the words like five year olds, 10 year olds. I assume that he was like implying like 16 year olds, but I don't know. But that's the story.

• 47:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, how did he phrase it?

• 47:36Speaker 03

  I, I don't know. It's not, you can't, I mean, I can't find those videos anymore. I've looked.

• 47:40Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 47:41Speaker 03

  I'm sure they're somewhere and I'm sure that James O'Keefe could tell the story.

• 47:43Joe Rogan?

  What happened with him and Project Veritas?

• 47:46Speaker 03

  I don't know. I have no idea. And it's a whole drama fest. And I try to stay, I mean,

• 47:51Joe Rogan?

  It's probably a lot of NDAs.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  I usually try to stay out of the drama in the modern industry because it's like, it'll just waste your time.

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  Conspiracy drama. There's drama inside the drama industry.

• 47:59Speaker 03

  There's drama in every industry, dude.

• 48:01Joe Rogan?

  There's drama in the drama class.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  But yeah, they like, like they, he went in and asked for help setting up this ring and they allegedly said, yeah, here's how you do it. We'll help you, we'll help you, we'll help you. And that's what the case they brought against Acorn was.

• 48:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 48:12Speaker 03

  Before Andrew Breitbart mysteriously died. And then the coroner that did his autopsy mysteriously died. It's like such, that was such a weird one to stumble upon because I didn't know I was about to stumble upon it. Yeah. And people can look, I mean, everyone should look up, anything that I say always, people should always just look it up and just start typing things in that I'm saying and, and see if what, if you can figure it out and what you think. Because I am not an expert. I'm just a dude that like is looking things up. And I try to be really thorough, but like.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't Breitbart, was it Breitbart or Drudge that was the first victim of these coordinated anti-advertising campaigns?

• 48:47Speaker 03

  I'm not sure I know what you mean by that. Oh, like where advertisers all pull out to try to tank you, like what they try to do to Elon?

• 48:53Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 48:54Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 48:54Joe Rogan?

  They, they do it strategically. They.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  I think it was done to both probably, but I don't know.

• 48:59Joe Rogan?

  But I think the first one, the first one that they did it on, I think it was Breitbart. I think Breitbart was on this like super rapid upward trajectory. And they just completely tanked the revenue. Was it Breitbart or is it, do you remember Jamie? Who was talking to us about that the other day? Was it Chase Hughes? Who was it? It might've been.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  It is interesting how you can watch out over history. The more history you learn, the more you get to see where certain strategies, like kind of like deep state strategies, so to speak, or intelligence agency strategies get invented and then they start using them.

• 49:31Joe Rogan?

  Might've been Mike Benz. Might've been.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  That would be a Mike Benz thing to say for sure. Yeah, I can see that. He knows his shit. Yeah. Yeah. He knows a lot of shit.

• 49:40Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Breitbart Plus lost 90% of its advertisers in two months. That's what it is.

• 49:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:46Joe Rogan?

  Who's still there? So this was, so this is the Washington Post making it seem like this is a normal thing. Oh, look, they lost all their advertising.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  Media frame jobs.

• 49:54Joe Rogan?

  People pulled out because they're full of shit.

• 49:56Speaker 03

  It's just another frame game.

• 49:57Joe Rogan?

  No, they all coordinated to try to boycott them and kill them.

• 50:02Speaker 03

  It's so crazy to have all of these tactics exposed in plain view now, and they still keep trying them. Did you see the thing that's going around today of the 22 different mainstream news sites all parroting the exact same thing?

• 50:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, not just that, all the congresspeople.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:18Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that? They're all saying the exact same thing.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess it's congresspeople, not news anchors. It's just that now everyone is a...

• 50:24Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking Pelosi and Schumer and all these different people. There's 12 of them now that they've got, saying the exact same script.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  Oh, it's more than 12. Alex Jones had a full 22 on his show, so they kept adding to it. At first, it was two of them, early in the morning.

• 50:40Joe Rogan?

  They're so dumb. They all read the same script. They're so dumb.

• 50:43Speaker 03

  But they use a different tone of voice.

• 50:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, they give their own spin on it because they're performers.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  It's wild.

• 50:49Joe Rogan?

  I've got to have my own creative control.

• 50:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, but then you get into the people that are like, "The whole world's a stage. Trust the plan. Q's in control." And it's like, whoa, dude, calm down.

• 50:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you've gone too far. Well, then, when you see that documentary on Q, you realize what kind of people you're dealing with.

• 51:02Speaker 03

  Uh, which documentary?

• 51:04Joe Rogan?

  Did you see Into the Storm?

• 51:05Speaker 03

  The one that had the really cool Q thing? Yeah, but I don't like trust a documentary like that either, because HBO is like, that's the definition of mainstream media. So I try to stay somewhere in the middle of that.

• 51:14Joe Rogan?

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• 53:36Speaker 03

  I believe it.

• 53:37Joe Rogan?

  I had him in.

• 53:38Speaker 03

  I'm pretty sure that I saw, I'm pretty sure that I did see the documentary.

• 53:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like a multi-part. And it shows all the people that were involved in it. And it kind of highlights a guy who seems to be cute, who is like kind of an internet shitposter fucking around and. When 4chan was in its heyday, back when all that shit was going down, like it's ripe for that kinda nonsense.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, perfect, perfect fertile ground for that kinda like, uh, controlled reverse opposition, whatever bullshit psyops. And that's where for me, the bottom line is can I corroborate it with primary sources? And Q is the definition of no, of course I can't. It's like, what is it, a time traveler that's coming back that's telling us how to save the world or something like, I don't underst-

• 54:19Joe Rogan?

  Do you think stuff like pizza gate? Like when they, when they had that guy come in and-

• 54:25Speaker 03

  I already know where it was going, yeah.

• 54:28Joe Rogan?

  I felt like that was a great way to put a halt to all the looking into the Podesta emails.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  That was.

• 54:36Joe Rogan?

  Cause then all of a sudden, it's a kook thing. Now it's a crazy person and a dangerous person, cause he's got a gun. You're causing dangerous people to take their guns-

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Just like with the vaccines, it's like, you're, it's a dan- they always have to make it dangerous, right? It's dangerous to say that this might have side effects, right?

• 54:52Joe Rogan?

  Cause if you read those emails-

• 54:54Speaker 03

  Exactly right.

• 54:54Joe Rogan?

  Those emails are bananas.

• 54:57Speaker 03

  And they're not explained.

• 54:59Joe Rogan?

  They're talking about young kids who are going to be coming to a party to have fun. They're talking about pizza and hot dogs.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  For sure. Sixty-five thousand dollars worth of hot dogs flown from Chicago for a White House party?

• 55:11Joe Rogan?

  It, the whole thing is like, very weird.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  Did you ever see the archived Instagram posts from James Alafontas's Instagram?

• 55:18Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  Cause that's a dark place. So that, there's so many layers to pizza gate that they tried to cover up intentionally for very good reason.

• 55:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about the logos?

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Well, the thing is, I, I avoid, and the way, and way I've talked about it, I've avoided all the symbols and logos and even some of the pizza stuff. Because I think there's so much more ripe, clear evidence that is way more powerful. And James Alafontas's Instagram account is a great example where-

• 55:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, can you find it online?

• 55:42Speaker 03

  So you cannot find it on Instagram anymore. It's only been archived onto other sites, which is kinda sketchy, cause it's like, how do I know you're not adding photos and stuff? So I, you kinda have to dig and dig and dig and cross-reference over and over and over to make sure that you're getting sort of like, the consensus. Cause everyone watched as it happened. So people like Liz Crokin, people like Alex, like they saw these things come out and that you- Can find plenty of different archives of all of James Alafontas's Instagram posts. And there are things like photos of children with their arms taped to tables. And the caption is, "Looks like a fun time." And then people that have always been commenting on his posts, like the people that are interacting with his posts all the time, have even weirder Instagrams where it's like, "Kill room." And there's a coffin that's open and things like that. There's like a photo of like a walk-in freezer and it's like,

• 56:26Speaker 03

  "Man, looks like you've been having a fun weekend." Things like that, that are just super dark. And a bunch of babies and a bunch of symbolism, a bunch of children. And it's all photos on their Instagram in plain daylight. And they all got scrubbed, obviously.

• 56:41Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  And that's not to mention Podesta's art collection and the Marina Abramovic connections. It goes on and on and on and on and on.

• 56:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  And we're talking about the Clintons with the Haiti scandals, with the cocaine in Arkansas. It's like, the thing is that we sound crazy. I sound crazy to someone that doesn't do their own research. Because you just start, there's so many layers of like, crazy shit that's happened with some of these people.

• 57:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:04Speaker 03

  That if you don't know the history of a person like Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, it's really easy to think, "Oh, that's just so insane." That you would think that they would be involved in it. And first of all, they frame it in the articles about Pizzagate. They say, "Hillary Clinton was the mastermind of a global pedophile sex trafficking ring, all headquartered in this pizza shop." Which is not what anyone ever claimed.

• 57:26Joe Rogan?

  Right. So as soon as you can discredit that, you discredit the whole thing.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  Classic frame job, which Nancy Pelosi explains very well, where you make a false claim and you say that's what they're saying and then you discredit the false claim. But if you really learn the history of the Clinton family, just as one example.

• 57:42Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever read The Strange Death of Vince Foster?

• 57:45Speaker 03

  No.

• 57:46Joe Rogan?

  You should read that.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  But I know a little bit about the Foster situation and a couple of those weird deaths earlier on.

• 57:50Joe Rogan?

  I read that book.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  I should read that.

• 57:52Joe Rogan?

  Back in the dizze. And that's what got me into wondering about the Clintons. Because that guy died. They found his body where there was less blood at the scene than was missing from his body. And the gun was still in his hand.

• 58:05Speaker 03

  I was actually just reading about that specific murder in Whitney Webb's books like two nights ago. Because she goes over that too. Because it's a huge question.

• 58:13Joe Rogan?

  The gun was in his hand. The gun's never in your hand.

• 58:16Speaker 03

  And his family claimed that that wasn't the right gun. He, he was, he had a black gun and his family was like, no, he owned a silver gun. All these weird things. They never found the bullet. Like, all sorts of things that just don't add up. And that was right after Epstein had first walked into Bill Clinton's life. That was between White House visit number one and White House visit number two. While Epstein was funding the refurbishing of the entire, uh, West Wing of the White House.

• 58:38Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad you brought up Epstein, because there was a point that I was gonna make earlier that I forgot. The Epstein situation is identical to the Manson situation.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  You think so?

• 58:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  Explain what you mean.

• 58:47Joe Rogan?

  This is why.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  I mean, I think you don't mean that literally. I think you mean that in a more metaphorical way, right?

• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  I mean, the structure. The structure of how you would pull, like, if you were gonna use an intelligence asset to do something evil. To do something where you can get dirt on people, or compromise people, or, or accomplish an objective. You would get someone who's already fucked up.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  Oh, 100%.

• 59:13Joe Rogan?

  And then you get that fucked up person and you help them, you know, run this cult, or you help them get girls.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  But you intentionally keep them separate.

• 59:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  You're, you're not hiring them. They don't work for you.

• 59:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 59:26Speaker 03

  They're a private entity.

• 59:27Joe Rogan?

  If he wasn't-

• 59:27Speaker 03

  It's like layers of obfuscation.

• 59:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, if he wasn't personally a pervert, it wouldn't work.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  Oh, not a chance. No.

• 59:33Joe Rogan?

  Like, think about, like, the guy gets arrested for having sex with underage girls, or getting them to do happy endings, or whatever, wherever he did. So he gets arrested, and then the real weird thing is that he just gets out and gets, like, house arrest.

• 59:47Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 59:47Joe Rogan?

  And he gets, like, a little slap on the wrist, and then he's back in action with all these rich people again.

• 59:51Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 59:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, really rich, influential people, like, Bill Gates is hanging out with him after he's already been arrested and convicted. Like, that's bananas.

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  But to your point about them-

• 1:00:02Joe Rogan?

  But he's gotta already be fucked up. He can't be like a straight edge, regular guy with a family and children that is just evil. No, you gotta have him in on the thing. So if you got a guy you know is already a freak. You know, he's already a nut and he's already like doing

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  That's how you recruit him.

• 1:00:19Joe Rogan?

  Blow and fucking hookers all the time and maybe he's been caught with a few underage girls. You.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  Well, when you study where he came from and how he got plucked from the Dalton School and then got put into Bear Stearns and then got put through Bear Stearns, then got put into money management like.

• 1:00:33Joe Rogan?

  It was teaching at one point in time.

• 1:00:34Speaker 03

  It was teaching at the Dalton School and then he was a banker at Bear Stearns, which he conveniently left when this big scandal broke that implicated him and the director Goldstein that had hired him. And had been helping him up and then he left and kind of took the fall and took the dirt with him. And then he went into the arms running businesses, which is where he met Maxwell, Daddy Maxwell, not Daughter Maxwell. And Anand Khashoggi and Lise and all these other arms traffickers. And that's where he got into those. So it's like you walk slowly into these worlds. And as they're doing that, I'm imagining they're taking tabs on of like, what kind of guy is this and what's he into? And he's working with arms traffickers and some of those arms traffickers were famous for blackmail, like Anand Khashoggi. He was famous for having his yacht filled up with cameras and giving his arms deals.

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  Everything they could ever want while he's selling weapons to them and he's got his whole yacht wired up with cameras. Trump later bought that yacht, which is super interesting.

• 1:01:27Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:01:27Speaker 03

  Do you know about that?

• 1:01:28Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:01:28Speaker 03

  So Trump, check this out and I'm not claiming that Trump is in on everything. It's a very complex thing here, but Trump's history is pretty weird. He bought the Plaza Hotel, which is where the blue suite parties that blackmail J. Edgar Hoover happened. You remember, do you know about those?

• 1:01:43Joe Rogan?

  No, what year was that?

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  Oh dude, so J. Edgar Hoover, the founder of the FBI. This is where I thought I was starting this fucking job to talk about GameStop and to talk about like the financial markets and shit. And then I realized how important intelligence agencies and organized crime are to how the world works. And I just got deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper into like.

• 1:02:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to miss out on some of Epstein's stuff.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  Oh, we got.

• 1:02:03Joe Rogan?

  Should we come back to that?

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  Well, we'll get there. This is all connected.

• 1:02:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's all connected. Okay.

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  I could talk about the Epstein stuff for fucking days and start all kinds of trouble for your podcast and shit, but um.

• 1:02:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think that trouble's supposed to be coming out publicly.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  I don't think it's gonna.

• 1:02:17Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't there, so the FBI in New York guy had to step down, right? They were saying they're withholding files.

• 1:02:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  So, the Pam Bondi's office said that they just got thousands of files.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  Allegedly, yeah. We'll see what happens, we'll see what happens.

• 1:02:31Joe Rogan?

  I've been saying that I'm like Charlie Brown with Lucy in the football.

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:34Joe Rogan?

  You know, when she pulls the football away every time he thinks he's gonna get to kick it and he goes falling on his ass. That's how it feels.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  The, have you, you haven't read Whitney Webb's books, have you?

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:02:42Speaker 03

  You really should.

• 1:02:43Joe Rogan?

  I've watched a lot of her stuff online, though.

• 1:02:45Speaker 03

  So, the thing about her stuff online is that she comes off as way more unhinged, because now she's, and she's very smart. She's very smart and she's on it.

• 1:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Clear, clear.

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  But she's now very concerned, rightly so, about the sort of technocratic nature of what might be to come. But, her research on Jeffrey Epstein is looking backwards at the history of organized crime, the history of Epstein, and it paints a very, like, we know very well who he worked for, and we know who he was associated with. She has primary sources with pages of sources cited about who put him where, who he interacted with, who said what about him, who claimed what about his life, and it's like, it's two full books and it's very well sourced, with primary sources cited all the way throughout. And so, it's like, we don't actually really need the Epstein files to know what was going on. They might, they'll hopefully include a lot of new details, but we have-

• 1:03:28Joe Rogan?

  But don't we need it for, for rock solid proof? Like, don't, don't we need the-

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  So, take, take Leslie Wexner that we were talking about earlier. No, we already have the flight logs.

• 1:03:37Joe Rogan?

  Do we have all of them?

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  Unredacted, all of them, yeah.

• 1:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Really? All of them, so we know-

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  The ones we know of.

• 1:03:42Joe Rogan?

  And do we have flight logs with destinations?

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Joe Rogan?

  So, we know, so we know who went to the island.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're all there and you can read them online, they're on archive.org, as well as other places. But Leslie Wexner's a great example here. Leslie Wexner owns Victoria's Secret and L Brands, right? He's the bank that bankrolled Jeffrey Epstein, and I was saying earlier that he signed the power of attorney over to Jeffrey Epstein, so that Jeffrey Epstein was able to sell his assets, manage his assets, buy on his behalf. He could sell Victoria's Secret without Leslie Wexner in the room or even his knowledge if he wanted to. Because that's the level of power of attorney that he signed over to Jeffrey Epstein when he was his money manager. And the reason why you do that is so that you can claim that you don't know about his operation. My money manager. I didn't know he was running this thing because I wasn't involved in any of those transactions.

• 1:04:27Speaker 03

  But what that meant is that Leslie Wechsler damn well knew. There's a whole, we could go into the mega group and we could go into his connections to Charles Bronfman, all these other things.

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, I was saying about the Victoria's Secrets. If you're a pedophile, you want to work with kids, a Nickelodeon. If you're a freak, what do you do? You get in the underwear business?

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  That's how they're recruiting, is they're recruiting from the Victoria's Secret modeling and Jeff Reffsman was claiming that he was a rep. But do you know about the, the CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch that went down for running a sex trafficking ring?

• 1:04:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:53Speaker 03

  He, so he was Leslie Wechsler's guy. When Leslie Wechsler, he bought Abercrombie and Fitch in like 1990, maybe 91, 89? And then one of the first things he did was he put that dude into position as CEO. That was Leslie Wechsler's dude. And he becomes the CEO and he's gay and he likes really hot, young male models. And he started running a male sex trafficking ring out of Abercrombie and Fitch. So Leslie Wechsler, this dude who is a self-proclaimed possessed by a demon.

• 1:05:23Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Whitney has a whole chapter where she goes into this article that was done by a mainstream news source, um, like 10, 20 years ago where they're interviewing Leslie Wechsler and asking him about how he came to power and what's his secret. It's called his D-book, D-Y-B-U-K. And you can read about this on Wikipedia as well. And he describes in his own words that he's possessed by a D-book, which is like a Yiddish word for a, for a evil demon that drives him for more and more and more and more. This is in his own words.

• 1:05:50Joe Rogan?

  Is this, is he being hyperbolic? Is he joking around? Like, oh, I'm possessed by a demon that just wants more and more. I just want to be successful.

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I, I mean, I wasn't in the room, but I assume based upon the wording and how it's put, I assume it's like, yeah, it's like a-

• 1:06:06Joe Rogan?

  I want to read that.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  It's like a billionaire. I mean, it's in the text. It's directly quoted in the text in One Nation Under Blackmail, actually, which is in that backpack. Um.

• 1:06:15Joe Rogan?

  One Nation Under Blackmail?

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  One Nation Under Blackmail by Whitney Webb. Highly recommend, but it's super dense. It's a hard read. I've read it three times now and I still am taking notes and trying to look things up to understand it because she's just so researched. And it's things like this where she's gone back to the original like article where they were interviewing him and he's just like a CEO. So they're just asking him, what's your secret to success? And he's like, I'm, I'm possessed by, I have a drive for more. And he chose the word D-book, which is a Yiddish word.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  So this is from New York Magazine interview.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  That's exactly the source.

• 1:06:47Joe Rogan?

  He says, "And now perhaps it's time to reintroduce Leslie Wexner's D-Book. The demon that always wakes up in the morning with Wexner and tweaks and pulls at him. When he was a boy, his father called it tummel, a churning. So he feels molten and unformed, pricked by the spiritual pins and needles. He met this demon again when he was 40 and already worth half a billion. When he climbed the mountain in front of the house in Vail and almost froze to death and decided to change his life. This demon he calls Terminal Shvilkis, which makes him wander from house to house, repeating the pattern of his childhood

• 1:07:30Joe Rogan?

  on a luxurious scale, wanting more, swallowing companies larger than his own. It is precisely the reason that Wexner has a billion and doesn't stop at, say, five million and a new Mercedes every other year and what he calls "normal life." Bridge on Wednesdays and Bar Mitzvahs on Saturdays and the winding Hollow Country Club in Columbus, which is like Buckingham Palace to him when he was 15."

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, so that's just to point out that, A, he's a fucking weird dude. He's a sketchy dude. He's running two sex trafficking rings out of his companies that he doesn't know anything about. And simultaneously, he founded, I mean, the Wexner Foundations and the Leslie Wexner Heritage Foundation, those are also very interesting and controversial. They're very tied to Israel because he is one of the foremost Israeli philanthropists, despite being an American. But he founded what was called the Megagroup, which is essentially a... I mean, it was not disclosed for a long time, it was secret. And it is a group of Jewish billionaires that get together on behalf of global Judaism, which is not uncommon, and there's nothing wrong with that if they're not committing

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  crimes. But they would get together and meet, and it's people like Leslie Wexner, Charles Bronfman, the list is... We could look it up. And that group...

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  It is unclear if we have proof that they were conducting espionage, but there are, there are, all of them have ties to organized crime through various elements, like the Bromfmans, where liquor, where rum runners, as one example, that were then involved in the mob. Leslie Wexner is involved in these trafficking rings, et cetera. And that group seems to have been directly associated with Jeffrey Epstein. And she's, again, she's one that she shows all the primary sources and like lays it all out that this is what we know, and this is where the source came from, and this is what it said, and these are possible explanations for it. Here's one or two or three explanations of what it might be, but we don't really know because this is as far as the evidence goes. And so Leslie Wexner is just one where there's all this swirling evidence all around him

• 1:09:36Speaker 03

  that the, in order for him to not be aware of what's going on and to not have been an active part of this is damn near unbelievable in my eyes, allegedly.

• 1:09:45Joe Rogan?

  That's well covered. You did a good job of covering your bases there.

• 1:09:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, which, you know, I've learned to do because, I mean, I started on TikTok where you can't even say certain words or you'll get, you'll get taken off of TikTok.

• 1:09:56Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Which is also fascinating.

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, but like the, so the files getting released, I am not expecting them to come out in any complete form because the, the mainstream understanding is that Jeffrey Epstein was the guy. Jeffrey Epstein was just an employee of these organized crime rings that work on behalf of like the CIA and Israeli Mossad and British intelligence and the whole, because organized crime is the black markets, the dark things, the sex, the drugs, the rock and roll, the child trafficking. And intelligence agencies were designed to be legitimate governments' point of access to organized crime. I mean theoretically, intelligence agencies were supposed to be, Truman wanted the intelligence

• 1:10:41Speaker 03

  agencies to be a newspaper about what's going on in the world for the president to know, right? But Allen Dulles was not about that. Allen Dulles, founder of the CIA, was like, I want to do covert operations. And very immediately covert operations were like overthrowing the government of Guatemala, Iran, buying the elections in Italy. They bought the elections in Italy by just passing giant bags of cash to the mafia so they would just go buy the election right after World War II because they needed to not let Italy fall to the communists. It's where the Vatican is. So the CIA, though Truman okayed it, hoping that it would be a newspaper. The CIA has been covert operations from the start. And covert operations is all about public-private partnerships so that you can't have it traced back to you, right?

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  Because if you get caught doing MKUltra shit, the government's fucked, right?

• 1:11:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:29Speaker 03

  And so what they want to do is they want to outsource MKUltra shit, or child trafficking shit, or drug-running shit to that shell company that's hiring that guy that works at that organized crime, right?

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  The same way USA does it with NGOs.

• 1:11:41Speaker 03

  Bingo. And that is all, and so that's what the deep state is. The deep state is the conglomerate of organized crime and intelligence agencies that work in the shadows, as well as the halls of power, but they're not supposed to exist, and we're not supposed to know about them. But they've always existed, because before we even founded the CIA during World War II, there was this bombing of this ship in a port on the eastern seaboard. The USS Liberty is confusing my memory right now.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  It was called Operation Underworld is what the, there's a Wikipedia page about Operation Underworld, and there's a whole bunch more about it, is the ship blows up in harbor. And they were building this big new ship. It would have been in the early 40s, I believe. It was during World War II with, like, inside of World War II. And the ship was blown up.

• 1:12:26Joe Rogan?

  Here it is.

• 1:12:26Speaker 03

  And, yeah, and what, and it's not clear if it was German U-boats. There are reports that later Meyer Lansky and the mob took credit for it, like, low-key, but we don't really know for sure who blew it up. But when it blew up, the US government got really worried that they had no way to secure the ports along the eastern seaboard, because all the ports were run by the mob. Because the mob ran all the unions, right? And so they, rather than trying to wrestle the ports, control the ports back from the mob, they just went to the mob and said, "We'll partner with you. If you guys lock down the ports, we'll, we'll let you go and do your thing." And that's kind of what Operation Underworld was all about.

• 1:13:05Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  And so what they did during World War II is they literally gave control over the entire eastern seaboard. I mean, I'm being facetious, but they gave control over all the ports on the eastern seaboard to the goddamn drug smugglers, like, to the mob, which their favorite thing is to smuggle things. Drugs, weapons, guns, duh, kid, whatever, I don't know. And so before the CIA was even founded, the OSS, the intelligence agency during the wartime, was already partnering with organized crime. And the people that founded those intelligence agencies, like Allen, Allen Dulles and John Foster Dulles, they were corporate lawyers. And that's- Can I just keep going on this? Because this is like- Keep going. This is- Let him cook. This is the thing that blew my mind, right? Is I was trying to research GameStop and shit.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  And then I started to realize that there's this whole monstrosity that is an official part of our government, these intelligence agencies, that when you really learn their history and read about their official history, let alone their history that sort of is still secret, it is very clear that they've been off the rails right from the start. And that's true inside of every, like, whether you're reading Legacy of Ashes and The Devil's Chessboard, very well researched official books about this shit, or if you're doing internet research. And the reason why you'd start an intelligence agency using a corporate lawyer instead of, like, a doctor or a military guy or something, is because a corporate lawyer is already familiar with all of the big CEOs of all the big corporations, right? Alan Dulles worked at Sullivan and Cromwell as a lawyer.

• 1:14:31Speaker 03

  And so he was very familiar with IG Farben, producing Zyklon B for the Nazis. He was familiar with Standard Oil. He was familiar with shipping companies and fruit companies and all these companies all around the world. And he's got good connections with them all. And so you suddenly, you hire one guy, Alan Dulles, and you have just hired an entire network of multinational corporations theoretically to work on behalf of the US. But when you read the histories and you read what Alan Dulles was saying behind closed doors and everything, what he was doing is he was hiring the US government in order to fund a corporate slush fund for corporations to utilize this power, this newly government bestowed power, to essentially wage violence that is sanctioned. Because- Whoa. You see what I'm saying? Yeah.

• 1:15:14Speaker 03

  Because all those corporations, the perfect example is Guatemala. United Fruit Company had bought up all this land in Guatemala and was growing bananas like crazy. And a lot of the land was just sitting vacant. And Jacobo Arbenz comes into power and he's like, "This is bullshit. There's this American corporation that's owning all of our land, that's making all of us poor, and they're not even using a bunch of this land. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna buy back the land." He didn't take it, he bought it back from the United Fruit Company. And he was gonna distribute it for free to all the farmers that were destitute, which is like socialist, kinda, but it's also pretty badass to use, like, your government money to buy all your farmers' land from this multinational corporation. But that pissed United Fruit off. And this is right as the CIA was getting founded, and United Fruit was a client of

• 1:15:59Speaker 03

  Sullivan and Cromwell. And Alan Dulles was a lawyer there, right? So United Fruit goes to Allen Dulles. His brother, John Foster Dulles, was the Secretary of State? Yeah, Secretary of State? So these two brothers, that are both lawyers for Solon and Cromwell, are the director—well, technically, Allen Dulles was not yet the Director of CIA, but he was like, the founder. He just had a beef with Truman and with the first couple of leaderships of the president there. And so, United Fruit goes to them and is like, "Hey, can we overthrow this piece of shit? Because he's fucking with our business." Right? So this is like, how corporations wanted this government-sanctioned power. And they, through those two brothers, lobbied the United States, propagandized the United States, they hired propaganda artists to propagandize them, and they painted him as a communist, right at our doorstep.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  And then, the CIA went in and through a series of kind of somewhat botched attempts called PB Success and PB—rather, Operation Success and Operation PB Success, they overthrew the government of Guatemala, and they ousted him, they bombed Guatemala City, and they got rid of him, and they put in their own dictator that started like, you know, 30 years of absolute devastation and like, military rule and just death mark—like, really dark shit, that basically tore Guatemala apart, on behalf of United Fruit. They did the same thing in Iran, like, three years later, with Kermit Roosevelt, where it became this thing where these multinational corporations, that are affiliated with this intelligence agency, just kind of through friendships and through partnerships and through

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  the network, they started to utilize Allen Dulles and the CIA in general, on their behalf, to do things for the corporate interest. Because they are the power players in this world. They always have been the power players in this world. And they had been itching for quite some time to get that government-sanctioned ability to wage violence against anyone around the world. And we've been doing that ever since, using the intelligence agencies, on behalf of the corporate blob, which is not always distinguishable from organized crime.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  And just going off and whacking people and overthrowing governments and starting coups like right to this day, to like Ukraine, 2014.

• 1:18:04Joe Rogan?

  And they can do it without being directly connected.

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  Exactly. So yeah, the concept of plausible deniability, that's the whole point.

• 1:18:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:18:14Speaker 03

  Is you want to set it up in a series of shells, and the darker it is, the more you have to kind of separate it, so that when Jeffrey Epstein goes down, no one knows who he worked for.

• 1:18:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:18:22Speaker 03

  He worked for intelligence, and I was told to leave him alone.

• 1:18:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:18:25Speaker 03

  And so you're left to speculate who he worked for. And that's why we're, we are left to rely on sources like Whitney Webb, who's done sort of the definitive dig, because they won't fucking tell us, because a bunch of them are blackmailed.

• 1:18:36Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:18:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it's all, it's like, it's not like it's literally a cabal of shadowy dudes around one table. It is just an alignment of many different interests, different families, different corporations, different bankers, or organized crime groups, all sort of playing games for power, and these guys have that much power, and those guys have that much power, and interests tend to align, like, the general vibe in the corporations will probably align with the vibe of the bankers, and their vibe will probably align a fair bit with some of this organized crime stuff, and we'll fund this terrorist organization, Mujahideen, until it's not convenient anymore. And then we'll actually use them as a patsy to go to war, because there's terrorists over there, goddammit, right? And they've gotten quite good at kind of weaving those narratives through their operations

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  that they've either covered up or exposed what they wanted to in various ways to kind of steer our narrative around what we know. But when you actually read the history, it's like, holy shit. It's crazy how much has gone on.

• 1:19:30Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever read Smedley Butler's War as a Racket?

• 1:19:33Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, dude.

• 1:19:34Joe Rogan?

  So that was 33. So in 33, it was still going on like that, and he was waking up to it as he was leaving his military career.

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• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  Do you know about the business plot? About what they tried to do with him?

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  No. Oh, yes, I do. Yeah, he wanted to take over the country.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  No, he saved the country from it.

• 1:21:26Joe Rogan?

  Right, but not that he wanted to. They wanted him to be a part of taking over the country.

• 1:21:30Speaker 03

  There's almost a Nazi coup in the 30s, where we almost got taken over by our own military and became Nazis. Because Prescott, Bush, and a bunch of his other buddies were on Team Nazi. And it's because they were all funding the Nazis, and they wanted to, they like, they wanted us on that team.

• 1:21:43Joe Rogan?

  And they tried to recruit Smedley Butler to be the lead of this.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 1:21:48Joe Rogan?

  And take over the country.

• 1:21:49Speaker 03

  I suspect, I'm sort of, I'm always kind of form understanding, research by research, but I suspect that it was World War I, where they realized how much power like, you can have if you're funding both sides of a war.

• 1:22:01Joe Rogan?

  Look at this quote, "I spent 33 years in active military service, and during that period, I spent most of my time as a high-class muscle man for big business. For Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism." Smedley Butler, 1935.

• 1:22:19Speaker 03

  He was one of the most decorated Marines, or was he in the Army, of all time? General?

• 1:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Unfucking believable.

• 1:22:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, War is a Racket is a relatively short book that anyone can buy online and I highly recommend it to everyone. That paired with, um...

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  But that's so wild that that was 33.

• 1:22:37Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, and it's still going on to this day.

• 1:22:38Joe Rogan?

  And the general public hasn't even had a whisper of this. Like, the average normie, probably four years ago, five years ago.

• 1:22:48Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:22:49Joe Rogan?

  Like, when did this start making it into the zeitgeist? Obviously in films.

• 1:22:53Speaker 03

  I think when Elon bought Twitter. And it's still not making into the mainstream, mainstream zeitgeist. But there's, I mean, and you've played a big part in this too. This whole decentralized media space, as technology naturally walks forward, I think that we're living in this world where this, all these rich people, all these evil, controlling sickos of varying degrees, they come from a world where they could control everything. They could control the newspapers, they could buy out the press, they could pay for journalists.

• 1:23:19Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:23:20Speaker 03

  And that strategy walked itself into technology. And suddenly, technology is just naturally walking forwards. And this just changes the game. Like, you can't use those old strategies when you have a phone and internet and social media. And we're watching the cognitive sort of breakdown of their old ways that they don't know how to adapt. And it's just scheme after scheme after scheme is crumbling.

• 1:23:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:23:42Speaker 03

  And the secret is just free speech. That's all you need is free speech and communication on the internet.

• 1:23:46Joe Rogan?

  And Doge.

• 1:23:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, Doge is how you actually go after it.

• 1:23:50Joe Rogan?

  But you need someone who's pretty balls out.

• 1:23:54Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:54Joe Rogan?

  You need a guy like Elon that has...

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  I was glad that Elon said the stuff about assassination on the podcast the other day because that needs to be said is that they are taking great risk. Even Pam and Cash, all of them, are taking great risk to do this. And it would not be the first time that someone's spouse had been whacked or someone's kids had been threatened. Or, like, they'd, you know, created a scandal. Like, do you know about the scandal of the Chappaquiddick Bridge with, uh...

• 1:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Chappaquiddick.

• 1:24:20Speaker 03

  With Chappaquiddick? With Ted Kennedy, it was, right?

• 1:24:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  That is such a great illustration of how, like, it might not even be you that they go after. It might be just, you know, there's all sorts of ways that if you do the wrong thing, allegedly, they might. Come after people around you.

• 1:24:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:37Speaker 03

  And so people like Cash and Pam and RFK are taking on a lot of risk. And that's also why I think that the, like, my following is real conspiratorial, usually. Like, I'm moderate compared to most of my people. And there's a lot of suspicion of these guys right now of like, they must already be controlled if they can even get in there. It's like, ah, I don't know.

• 1:24:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't know about that because I used to think, well, listen, I think there's definitely some manipulation of voting. Okay, I'll say that.

• 1:25:05Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, that's the holy grail you can't say, dude.

• 1:25:07Joe Rogan?

  I say it, I say it because I think, listen, at some level, for sure. Now, let's talk about the Hunter Biden laptop. Now, when you have 51 former intelligence agents claiming that this is Russian disinformation, and then you have the government getting it removed, Twitter complying, you can't even post a link for the fucking New York Post.

• 1:25:30Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:25:31Joe Rogan?

  Like, the second oldest newspaper in the country, right? Legitimate newspaper.

• 1:25:36Speaker 03

  When the FBI had had the laptop already.

• 1:25:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, so that, in the time of an election, is election interference.

• 1:25:43Speaker 03

  Straight up.

• 1:25:44Joe Rogan?

  So that is manipulation of voting.

• 1:25:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, until Trump came in, that was the only election interference that I was willing to talk about. Because it was very provable, very obvious.

• 1:25:53Joe Rogan?

  Another obvious portal, which is California and New York won't even allow you to show your ID when you vote.

• 1:26:00Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:26:00Joe Rogan?

  There's only one reason why you would do that, because you want people voting that shouldn't be voting, and you want it to count because you want to win.

• 1:26:08Speaker 03

  Yep, and more and more we're seeing that they are literally importing voters and paying them with government money.

• 1:26:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:26:13Speaker 03

  With like, to huge amounts of money when we have homeless veterans on the street.

• 1:26:17Joe Rogan?

  FEMA funds.

• 1:26:18Speaker 03

  Over 300,000 children are missing that have crossed our border that we have delivered to unknown sponsors.

• 1:26:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think the Trump administration, very quickly, within the first couple of weeks, found 90,000 of them, I don't know what the number is now.

• 1:26:33Speaker 03

  I haven't seen that.

• 1:26:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there were some, see if you can find that. The Trump administration that counted for, well, they started looking.

• 1:26:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, right?

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  The first fucking, you know, the first administration is like, I don't know where it is.

• 1:26:43Speaker 03

  Holy shit, let's close the border and...

• 1:26:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, we can't close the border, that's wrong.

• 1:26:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:48Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing was...

• 1:26:49Speaker 03

  They literally locked up, you know, the guys that built the border wall, Steve Bannon? And he had, it was Steve Bannon and Dustin Stockton, and I think one or two other people, when they wouldn't build it, these guys just went out and raised millions of dollars on their own, and they literally just started building border wall. You know about that?

• 1:27:06Joe Rogan?

  I'd heard something.

• 1:27:07Speaker 03

  I didn't know about that either. And then I now do a podcast a couple, every couple of weeks with Dustin Stockton, who's a whole trip of guy. Um, and he started telling me the story of like, what are you saying? I had no idea that they had literally just started building it from a private, like citizen standpoint. Until they arrested them.

• 1:27:24Joe Rogan?

  Did you know that also before the election, all the border materials were for sale?

• 1:27:29Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  They sold the border materials.

• 1:27:31Speaker 03

  Yup. They, I mean, they were just trying to get everything out as fast as they could. They were deleting files and, and just giving out aid money and announcing more and more foreign war aid to Ukraine and Israel and everything.

• 1:27:41Joe Rogan?

  They said it was like throwing gold off the Titanic.

• 1:27:42Speaker 03

  Crazy dude. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I am really excited for everything that's gonna come out, but I'm also like.

• 1:27:50Joe Rogan?

  Were we just, we, before we go any further.

• 1:27:52Speaker 05

  What were we just? I'm reading into the kids. It's a, uh, it's definitely a political thing.

• 1:27:57Speaker 03

  Oh, the children are actually missing BBC. Go fuck yourself.

• 1:28:01Speaker 05

  Well, this is says that they, they had them, I guess in records. And then when they sent court notices out, they just don't come to their court date, so they consider them missing.

• 1:28:10Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that can make sense, but I think the, the Trump administration accounted for quite a few of them.

• 1:28:16Speaker 05

  That part I don't know. That's what they're saying.

• 1:28:17Joe Rogan?

  You're not gonna find them on BBC.

• 1:28:18Speaker 05

  Well, I'm just, alright, that's.

• 1:28:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, the, so I work with.

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  So don't, no, don't, no, don't put that Trump administration finds missing kids. Try that.

• 1:28:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. Because I work with this guy named Ryan Mata, who spent three years of his life going to the border with his own dollars and filming documentaries about this and interviewing the people that like rescue trafficked children. And actually interviewing whistleblowers from within the Biden regime's trafficking scheme. Like the, the people that were dropping kids off with sponsors and stuff.

• 1:28:48Joe Rogan?

  Bottom one, Sean fucked.

• 1:28:51Speaker 05

  Sean feuced.

• 1:28:52Joe Rogan?

  But listen to what he, what it, what it says there. A Trump administration is allegedly located between 75,000, 80,000 of the 300,000 missing migrant children. According to Harris Faulkner of Fox News.

• 1:29:03Speaker 05

  This is without a link to a source.

• 1:29:04Joe Rogan?

  Okay, but just.

• 1:29:05Speaker 03

  Trust me, bro.

• 1:29:06Joe Rogan?

  Just Google Harris. Right, I understand, but Google Harris Faulkner Fox News.

• 1:29:10Speaker 03

  I would love for that to happen.

• 1:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Harris Faulkner.

• 1:29:14Speaker 03

  I mean, I suspect that every.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Fox News.

• 1:29:16Speaker 03

  Every single, like, there's every incentive for Trump to find them and to do something about it. But I, I, I think the vast majority of them are dead, unfortunately.

• 1:29:26Joe Rogan?

  So that's a Facebook link.

• 1:29:28Speaker 05

  Exactly, I mean.

• 1:29:30Speaker 03

  And this is the thing is that there are certain topics that are so disinformationalized and so sensationalized that when you start to research into them, you realize you're inside of this media madness that it's so hard to find the truth. And COVID was one of those, and J6 was one of those, the elections was one of those.

• 1:29:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  And when you find that, it becomes, for me, it sets a bell off, is A, I'm in something I should learn about, but B, I have to be very careful. And I don't know, and you never know what you can trust in those spaces. And so that's where I change my, my switches for what to believe. And I kind of open up the bandwidth in terms of take it, take it all in, but be very skeptical. Because that's where you get wild conspiracy theories that are unproven, and trust me. And then you also get all kinds of propaganda trying to obfuscate the narrative.

• 1:30:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a big factor that people need to be aware of is purposeful misinformation that gets inserted into a narrative to make that narrative ridiculous.

• 1:30:21Speaker 03

  Yep. They've done that. And there's whole conspiracy theories that I think are like that. And Q might be one of them, I don't know. I think Flat Earth is one of them.

• 1:30:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think Flat Earth was someone did that as a goof. And then they couldn't believe how much it took.

• 1:30:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  But if you can speak well, and you, you're articulate, and you have compelling things that you're saying, and there's no counter, there's no scientist going, "Stop, stop, stop."

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:43Joe Rogan?

  "We can show you in fucking 10 minutes that the Earth is round. Everything in the sky is round. The Earth is the only thing that's not round." You know, the, the weirdness of it is how much people want to believe that everything's bullshit.

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:30:55Joe Rogan?

  And so you could trick a certain number of people.

• 1:30:57Speaker 03

  I get why, like, think about how, like, right, so 10 years ago, Alex Jones was saying that the whole government's controlled by pedophiles. And he was a psychopath, or I guess more than 10 years ago now. And then Jeffrey Epstein got caught.

• 1:31:07Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I talked to people about it back then.

• 1:31:10Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:31:11Joe Rogan?

  And they thought it was the funniest thing ever.

• 1:31:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:13Joe Rogan?

  Because Alex Jones was like, "Yeah, I'm telling you, there's a fucking island, they take him to that island." They get them fucked up on drugs.

• 1:31:18Speaker 03

  There's more than one island, too. There's been a few islands.

• 1:31:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you think that's the only place they do that? There's probably some super secret place in China that they all go to.

• 1:31:26Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I mean, they're all over Mexico. They're all over, like, yeah, imagine what is in Mexico. The government of Mexico has been partnered with the cartels for at least two administrations is what it looks like. And the cartels are just like running that whole game, that whole sort of northwestern like quarter of Mexico. I can only imagine what we'll find down there.

• 1:31:45Joe Rogan?

  Really hilarious is the blue and on Twitter people to fuck the kooky ones who are like, yeah, you're gonna go after the cartel. Good luck.

• 1:31:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:54Joe Rogan?

  Good luck, the greatest military force the world has ever known versus drug runners.

• 1:31:58Speaker 03

  Which to be fair, the cartels are highly militarized and they're extremely advanced, but nah, they're not gonna compete with us. No, no, no.

• 1:32:05Joe Rogan?

  I had my friend Evan Hafer on here from Black Rifle Coffee and he was talking about like, do you understand the kind of, like, these are very capable people, no doubt. Do they understand the kind of ultra violence that they will experience if they let these, you know, fucking SEAL Team guys go after the cartel people?

• 1:32:22Speaker 03

  Cause those are proud Americans that have been itching to defend our nation. Like, they have been itching for the ability to actually do something meaningful.

• 1:32:29Joe Rogan?

  And that's also the place where, look, Afghanistan doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense.

• 1:32:34Speaker 03

  Oh, it was an opium operation.

• 1:32:35Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Oh, yeah, that too, we can get to that.

• 1:32:37Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:38Joe Rogan?

  But it doesn't make sense that we would send troops over there. It makes sense that we would send troops after the cartels. If you think about the amount of death that occurs in the United States because of fentanyl overdoses. Where you have tainted drugs that are coming in across the border and killing people left and unprecedented levels.

• 1:32:54Speaker 03

  Like, taking kids from families, my whole generation was devastated by it. My whole generation.

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Everyone today knows someone who died of an overdose. Everyone does. That was very uncommon when I was in high school.

• 1:33:04Speaker 03

  And the problem is that it was not just illegal fentanyl and illegal heroin. The problem is that the Sackler family and the pharmaceutical industry was in on it. And so doctors were prescribing it to normal people. And it was just devastating our whole population all at once. It's so tragic.

• 1:33:18Joe Rogan?

  That Painkiller documentary on Netflix is fucking, or the docu-drama series.

• 1:33:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, and so the, the administration now in Mexico, she, Claudia Scheinbaum. She is like the protege of AMLO, who was the leader of that same party from before. And I think he served two terms. It's like, so it's been something like the last six to eight years or something. Their official cartel policy is hugs not bullets. And what they basically describe is, is we're causing more death by going after the cartel. And we'll just agree to not touch them. We'll just agree to leave them alone. And I'm kind of exaggerating again, but like that hugs not bullets is their official slogan for their policy about the cartels. So it makes sense for us to fucking do something. It's like, we'll do the bullets. You can keep your hugs. Thank you very much. Right?

• 1:34:02Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what's gonna happen with that. Cause they did declare them a terrorist organization.

• 1:34:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I was worried. I kind of came out a little hot and I posted them on Twitter that was like, no fucking drone strikes inside of the US. No, sir, no, you're not. Because the way that the sort of announcement was worded of like, we're declaring cartel members terrorist organizations and we will be tarred and drone strikes are like totally A okay on that is what someone was saying about it. And I was like, and I was like, where's the line on allowing the targeting of cartel? Cause once you start targeting terrorists, that's why nine 11 was so subversive is it turned everyone into a possible enemy of the state that can be shipped off to Guantanamo because terrorism is just this elusive concept.

• 1:34:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:34:39Speaker 03

  And you can, and anyone can just become a terrorist if we just call them a terrorist. Propaganda can be bad.

• 1:34:44Joe Rogan?

  There was people shipped off to Guantanamo who were definitely innocent.

• 1:34:46Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 1:34:47Joe Rogan?

  And did time and got released.

• 1:34:50Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:50Joe Rogan?

  You want to radicalize someone? Send them to Guantanamo Bay for a decade for something they didn't do.

• 1:34:56Speaker 03

  Right? And the, um, you brought up the Hunter Biden laptop and those 51 intelligence agents? I wanted to look into it. So I looked at the letter itself and I actually read the letter and on the letter at the bottom, they all signed it. And if you just start Googling the people that signed it, the very first two names were ex directors of the CIA that lied to us about Guantanamo Bay and lied to us about surveilling American citizens and lied, like lied on the stand. And so they're professional liars that are from the intel agencies that are saying, oh, no, no, no, like Hunter Biden is all good, above board. It's like, why would we ever trust that? But that's how powerful spin is when every media article parrots that, no, it wasn't made in a lab. There's no evidence it was made in a lab. That couldn't be true.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:36Speaker 03

  Everyone just believes it because we want to believe that that's how the world is.

• 1:35:40Joe Rogan?

  We used to. Don't you think that over the last four years, COVID was probably the biggest wake up call ever for people?

• 1:35:46Speaker 03

  I mean, it was my wake up call. I was a leftist that didn't think about shit before COVID.

• 1:35:50Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 1:35:50Speaker 03

  No, you thought about shit.

• 1:35:51Joe Rogan?

  I, well, no, I thought about shit, but I was pretty much a leftist.

• 1:35:55Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 1:35:55Joe Rogan?

  And then I was like, oh, this is fake.

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:35:59Joe Rogan?

  This whole thing's fake.

• 1:36:00Speaker 03

  I think we're kind of both still sort of leftists, what left should be.

• 1:36:03Joe Rogan?

  Socially progressive.

• 1:36:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, we need, because politics is supposed to be a balance. We need regulation of corporations. That's a leftist ideology.

• 1:36:09Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:36:10Speaker 03

  But we need individual liberty and we're supposed to have a balance of the two.

• 1:36:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:36:13Speaker 03

  And when you, and I think, my theory is that it used to be easier to control the right because it was a big money party and you could go to war with them and you could lead us around by the right. But as technology came in, they realized it was way easier to spin narratives to the collectivists. And if you can get all the collectivists, the leftists, to go along with a narrative, that's way more effective than these individual liberty people with the guns.

• 1:36:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, you're controlling all the universities if you have the leftists. You have all, you have the narrative that you, you essentially programmed the culture as it then leaves the universities and enters into the workforce.

• 1:36:48Speaker 03

  The most ignorant people, ready to be programmed, coming in. I mean, that's always how communist revolutions have been programmed.

• 1:36:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, we were talking about this with Jordan Peterson, where people were saying, what is the big deal? This is like 2015, 2016, when Jordan Peterson first, and when Bret Weinstein first started emerging.

• 1:37:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:37:03Joe Rogan?

  And before that, I was talking about these crazy things that were going on in universities and people were like, why are you paying attention to these fringe things that kids are doing? I'm like, they're gonna graduate. These are the people. These aren't the people who 30 years ago were studying in school, trying to figure out what career to get into and job. No, they want to change the world with activism now. Everyone wants to be an activist in every job you take. Everything you take is supposed to enact social justice.

• 1:37:31Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:37:31Joe Rogan?

  That is supposed to be your, and then you're given this as like your social credit skill. System when you're in the universities and then you leave like I still want to be the good person. I still want to be the person that everybody applauds. I will do the right thing. I will say the right things. And then you get DEI in the workforce like, oh, great. It's all here now. We're all together.

• 1:37:50Speaker 03

  And in a world with no meaning, where like life is meaningless for 99% of the population, you give them meaning and they will cling to that.

• 1:37:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're on the good team now. You're on a team. You're on a team.

• 1:38:01Speaker 03

  And I understand it because I come from that. I come from one of the most liberal cities in this fucking country. And but then I'm like COVID's happening and I was taking it really seriously. Like my last Facebook post was like all young people, we should lock down and take this really fucking seriously. And then my, all my roommates were like, hey, let's go down to Seattle and do the BLM protests. And like, whoa, like, you're a masked Nazi. You're like on me about my masking and you're trying to go burn down Seattle in a group of like 100,000 people? What? And so they all went down to Seattle and I'm back at home. And I mean, I still love them to death. Like if they watch this, like no shade to them. Like, but I'm at home watching the live streams of the BLM protests. And I'm like, where'd that pallet of bricks come from?

• 1:38:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:39Speaker 03

  And that got me thinking.

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• 1:41:33Speaker 03

  Downtown where there's meth heads everywhere.

• 1:41:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Why you got a basket of fucking bricks?

• 1:41:37Speaker 03

  No, and so then the thing is I start asking a question. I ask one question in that leftist environment and it's just like, don't ask questions. It's like, I'm fucking out of here.

• 1:41:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, Chase Hughes was talking about that when he was talking about COVID. Like, what are the ways you can clearly see that something is a psyop? First, you're not allowed to question anything.

• 1:41:55Speaker 03

  Yep. And questions are met with like obey the herd. Like you're and they demonize you and they don't ever attack the argument. They don't ever engage with the arguments.

• 1:42:03Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:42:04Speaker 03

  And that's what I love about the job that I've fallen into as a sort of like researcher is that I have no problem with being wrong. My favorite moments in my career so far have been when someone's proved me wrong and I've been like, oh shit. Thanks, bro. I didn't know that. I'm gonna research that and look it up because there, I mean, some people can get trapped in their ego and need to stay on some hill and die there.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42:24Speaker 03

  But like, that's retarded. You don't need to do that. It's a progress for intelligence, for like learning. That's what the Academy of Ideas was built on, right?

• 1:42:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42:32Speaker 03

  And so having this culture of censorship and of herd mentality, especially in the universities, is the most toxic thing to our national future you could ever incorporate.

• 1:42:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a perfect thing that a foreign company or a foreign government would do to the United States in order to ruin us. And this is what Yuri Bezmenov talked about in the 1980s.

• 1:42:52Speaker 03

  Bingo. That's such a formative speech to watch.

• 1:42:54Joe Rogan?

  That speech is crazy.

• 1:42:55Speaker 03

  Everyone should watch that speech.

• 1:42:57Joe Rogan?

  Ironically, in 1984.

• 1:42:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:59Joe Rogan?

  He's saying this.

• 1:42:59Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, these tactics are old. Like, I mean, they go, and I'm, I more and more started to look at like, we, we changed from kinetic warfare at the atom bomb to like psyop and subversive and information warfare. And we were still doing kinetic warfare, but it was all these little proxy wars that were based on propaganda and like in order to spin narratives in order to get support. And more and more, as technology has evolved, one of my kind of shticks is that this, the warfare is information warfare now because what they need to do is they need to convince everyone that COVID is real and that you need to lock down and you need to wear your mask and you need to take the vaccine so we can profit. And all of that is information.

• 1:43:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:35Speaker 03

  And that changes it from soldiers, fighting soldiers, to government agencies or rather NGOs and all these conglomerates of like, of money, like groups essentially targeting all of us. And we become the targets of that warfare. And so it's on us to get educated and to learn.

• 1:43:53Joe Rogan?

  Fun though, is when they try to spin a narrative to try to cover up their tracks and it just winds up exposing more people to what's actually going on. One of my favorite ones was when Geraldo Rivera was. in Afghanistan, going through the poppy fields with the United States military guarding

• 1:44:11Speaker 03

  I don't think I've seen this.

• 1:44:13Joe Rogan?

  You've never seen this?

• 1:44:13Speaker 03

  I know of, like, I know what you're talking about, but I don't think I've seen it.

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 1:44:17Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 1:44:18Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing, cuz he's in full propaganda gaslight mode.

• 1:44:23Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:23Joe Rogan?

  And he's explaining why it's important to protect these poppy fields, cuz these farmers-

• 1:44:28Speaker 03

  This is their livelihood.

• 1:44:30Joe Rogan?

  We're protecting them from the Taliban.

• 1:44:32Speaker 03

  These poor farmers.

• 1:44:32Joe Rogan?

  We have to help these people.

• 1:44:33Speaker 03

  Cuz the Taliban shut down the opium production, the Taliban outlawed opium production and burned all the fields and got rid of it all.

• 1:44:39Joe Rogan?

  So he's literally talking to this officer, uh, in front of the poppy fields. You see these guys, these fucking machine guns-

• 1:44:45Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:44:45Joe Rogan?

  Guarding the poppy-

• 1:44:46Speaker 03

  US military, right?

• 1:44:47Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Why, play this.

• 1:44:48Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 1:44:49Joe Rogan?

  Play this.

• 1:44:50Speaker 00

  We're gonna head to Afghanistan this morning.

• 1:44:52Joe Rogan?

  Ah, let's go. This morning. We're gonna head to Afghanistan.

• 1:44:57Speaker 00

  The Taliban is using it to intimidate the population.

• 1:45:01Speaker 07

  From Helmand Province is Geraldo Rivera. Good morning to you, uh, Geraldo. Tell us what you've seen during your days there in Afghanistan.

• 1:45:11Speaker 07

  Hi, Allison, Dave, and Clayton. Yes, in some ways, the Marines' brilliantly executed invasion of Marjah, this town in the middle of Helmand Province, was the easy part. The hard part now is governing this province, a province, as you suggest, that has become addicted to opium in many, many ways. That is the principal crop that is being grown here. Uh, the Taliban lend the farmers the money. They are indebted to the Taliban. They have to grow the opium. Now the Marines, in their success, are, in a sense, a victim of their success, because now the population is, uh, you know, they have these opium fields, and we are tolerating it. We are tolerating the cultivation of the opium, because we know

• 1:45:53Speaker 07

  that if we were to destroy it now, the population would turn against the Marines, and it would be a real security risk. Let me introduce Lieutenant Colonel Pauline Prinsman. He's the commanding officer-

• 1:46:02Speaker 03

  You really can't make this up.

• 1:46:04Joe Rogan?

  It gets better.

• 1:46:05Speaker 07

  Uh, really, a wonderful group of Marines here. Uh, I know that you care deeply about this, uh, this contradiction, the fact that, uh, here you have one of the best fighting forces in the world ever mounted, uh, and in a sense, uh, you're watching as, uh, this opium is being grown. I know it, it grinds-

• 1:46:21Speaker 00

  That your gut, uh, how do you deal with it? What are you doing about it? Well, frankly, this is a part of their culture. So, uh, while it might grind in my gut, it's what they do. Uh, we, we provide them security. We're providing them resources.

• 1:46:34Speaker 03

  He was given very strict orders that morning.

• 1:46:36Speaker 00

  Alternatives, uh, are different crops to grow. They're getting the seed and the fertilizer.

• 1:46:39Joe Rogan?

  They can give different crops. Grow tomatoes, guys.

• 1:46:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 1:46:43Joe Rogan?

  Hey, you can grow apples.

• 1:46:44Speaker 03

  My favorite statistic about that era is that that, that I, I will, I'm gonna get the number wrong, but it, so the, opium's only grown in so many places, right? And it used to be in the Vietnam region, in Southeast Asia, the Golden Triangle. Then it changed to the Golden Crescent, which is Afghanistan. And when that era happened, it was something like 70%, 80% of the world's opium supply was coming from Afghanistan. And if you just do a little math and think it through, you realize that we have this gigantic opioid market of legal opioids, of the Sackler family and all these pharma companies. And you realize that it's physically impossible for them not to be in on this scheme. Because where's, where are they growing their opium? They're not growing it here.

• 1:47:28Speaker 03

  They're not growing it in like Africa. So it, like by definition, when you just think through what's going on here, you realize that some of those opium fields are illegal heroin. And some of those opium fields are Big Pharma.

• 1:47:39Joe Rogan?

  It coincides with the opioid crisis in America. The pharmaceutical grade prescribed opioid crisis in America as it goes up. And then you see at one point in time, Afghanistan was responsible for 94% of the world's opium.

• 1:47:56Speaker 03

  Bingo, there's the stat.

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  While we are occupying. Now it's Myanmar, which also just went through a military coup.

• 1:48:04Speaker 03

  Yep, I mean, they've always got to control, so opium has been one of the most important crops to control ever since the British Empire and like the days of tall ships. You know about the Opium Wars with China?

• 1:48:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:48:13Speaker 03

  That was a funny history to learn about.

• 1:48:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, crazy.

• 1:48:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, cuz that's the thing is that I've been basically learning everything from scratch as I've gone. Cuz I didn't know shit. I was just like going snowboarders. Two, less than two.

• 1:48:23Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 1:48:24Speaker 03

  I mean, like, I was learning before that.

• 1:48:26Joe Rogan?

  You must be a plant.

• 1:48:27Speaker 03

  I know, right?

• 1:48:28Joe Rogan?

  You must be some sort of an operative.

• 1:48:29Speaker 03

  I'm a Mossad agent.

• 1:48:30Joe Rogan?

  You're just good at it. Just, you know, if you're good at it, if you're Whitney Webb, or if you're you, or any of those people.

• 1:48:34Speaker 03

  It's just a scientific process of having the right degree of like, understanding of, just like, the right amount of like, need to see primary sources and real evidence, and the ability to look and test a hypothesis and see what comes out, and not being attached to one conclusion beyond what the evidence actually suggests.

• 1:48:50Joe Rogan?

  Also, not being afraid to seem foolish to the uninformed.

• 1:48:54Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Because so many people will dismiss most of what we've talked about today.

• 1:48:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:59Joe Rogan?

  Offhand.

• 1:49:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Without any, especially people that only consume the Wall Street Journal and mainstream media.

• 1:49:06Speaker 03

  But I had the benefit of being a normie when I started, and so I walked my way in piece by piece.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  So you know how they think, too.

• 1:49:13Speaker 03

  Like, I started with all the BlackRock conspiracy theories. I started with who owns the media, who owns the tampon aisle, who owns all these things? And I would go into the grocery stores and do the videos in the grocery stores, where I would like, go to the cereal aisle and be like, who owns all these cereals? And it turns out the entire cereal aisle is three companies, and, I mean, the tampon aisle is even better, because they're all getting sued for having reprotoxic chemicals in the tampons.

• 1:49:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:35Speaker 03

  Meaning they'll kill your reproductive system, and...

• 1:49:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only that, toxic shock syndrome.

• 1:49:39Speaker 03

  Exactly, right?

• 1:49:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:40Speaker 03

  And so that sort of, I like, walked myself slowly into learning, and I walked my audience along with me. And I also developed this understanding of, I mean, I used to be a teacher, and so I have this, a certain understanding of like, how do you communicate in a way that acts, that's speaking from their perspective instead of from my perspective? Which, right now, I'm just talking to you instead of talking to them, because it's more fun.

• 1:50:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:00Speaker 03

  But, um, but when I actually make my videos, I do my best to try to put myself in like, in the shoes of who I'm trying to access, and what do they know? And what do I need to communicate and show evidence of?

• 1:50:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:10Speaker 03

  For them to understand that, that like, you can look into this and check my sources.

• 1:50:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:14Speaker 03

  And you can think about this, you have permission to think about this.

• 1:50:17Joe Rogan?

  You do a very good job of citing your sources and telling people where to look, if they want to find out more information about it, too. Because a lot of it is a real big deep dive.

• 1:50:26Speaker 03

  It's the most important part, by far.

• 1:50:27Joe Rogan?

  It's like, unless you're you, unless you're a person who does it for a living, like, the amount of time that it takes... To find out about this stuff. And then even you, who's been in for two years doing this, like, there's, there's decades of layers you need to uncover. And it'll take forever. Like, Whitney Webb's been doing it for how long?

• 1:50:42Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't even know, dude.

• 1:50:43Joe Rogan?

  Alex Jones has been in the game for thirty-plus years.

• 1:50:45Speaker 03

  Exactly. And there's still always more to learn and always more to connect. And we get new information that puts new light on old situations. It's just, it's this constant rearranging game of understanding. And I just love that, I mean, yeah, most people don't have time for all of it. But as we're sort of stratifying into this ecosystem of content, of like, creators and journalists and thinkers, that we're all kind of collectively doing the work together. And some of us are more integral than others. Some of us are just clickbaiters. And some of us are, like, I'm somewhere in the middle. And then you get some people that are really professional about it, like, problematically professional about it. Like, they can only get so much done.

• 1:51:18Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever looked into Oklahoma City bombing?

• 1:51:20Speaker 03

  No, not much, actually. Not hardly at all. But I know it's one that's like, one of those seminal moments.

• 1:51:26Joe Rogan?

  That's a good one. First of all, the amount of damage to the building is not something that you would get from a fertilizer bomb. And the way a fertilizer bomb would work in front of the building, that building's blown out.

• 1:51:38Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:51:38Joe Rogan?

  And the FBI was retrieving unblown bombs from the building.

• 1:51:44Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 1:51:45Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, Timothy, like, the whole Timothy McVeigh thing is fucking wild. When you go down the rabbit hole and start looking into it, it seems like a false flag. It seems, or it seems like someone else planted bombs inside that building and they blamed it on this fertilizer bomb.

• 1:52:02Speaker 03

  What would that false flag have taken us to? Like, what did it achieve?

• 1:52:05Joe Rogan?

  They passed different gun laws and different, different laws afterwards.

• 1:52:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, nine eleven is the perfect example of that kind of false flag. Of this thing that's crazy, that has all these questions that get covered up. And then we just go to war in the Middle East with a country that-

• 1:52:18Joe Rogan?

  And we have the Patriot Act and the Patriot Act 2.

• 1:52:21Speaker 03

  All the spying.

• 1:52:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:22Speaker 03

  Cover up all the missing money, all these things.

• 1:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Incredible amounts of control and surveillance now gets used on the population.

• 1:52:31Speaker 03

  Who do you think did nine eleven?

• 1:52:34Speaker 03

  Or like what conglomerate of groups were, do you think were involved?

• 1:52:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, for sure, the Saudis were involved, right?

• 1:52:41Speaker 03

  I mean, a lot of the people were Saudi.

• 1:52:42Joe Rogan?

  A lot of the people were Saudi.

• 1:52:43Speaker 03

  I don't know if that necessarily means that the Saudi government had anything to do with it.

• 1:52:46Joe Rogan?

  It could mean it was just people that were recruited by another organization that were with the Saudis. What do you think happened at Tower 7?

• 1:52:55Speaker 03

  I think, that's a good question.

• 1:52:58Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird one, right?

• 1:52:59Speaker 03

  I think the Tower 7 had information in it about both. I think it probably had information in it about the planning of the attack and/or what was going on with the attack. But I also think it had information about other things that needed to go away. Maybe it's old CIA operations, maybe it's banking information.

• 1:53:14Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's information about the trillions of dollars that was missing that Donald Rumsfeld talked about the day before 9/11. So he gives a press conference in front of the Pentagon. Was it the Pentagon? Is that where it was?

• 1:53:25Speaker 03

  I don't know where the press conference was. I mean, I think it was in a room, but I'm not sure.

• 1:53:29Joe Rogan?

  So he gives this press conference. This press conference, he says, there's trillions of dollars they can't account for. And everybody's like, what the fuck? The very next day, 9/11 happens and in one of the buildings where they stored data, that building mysteriously implodes like a controlled demolition. Like, no building has ever collapsed, ever, just because of fire.

• 1:53:52Speaker 03

  I mean-

• 1:53:52Joe Rogan?

  And structural damage, for sure, but it's the way it collapses.

• 1:53:55Speaker 03

  Even from planes hitting buildings, no building has ever collapsed like that. Other planes have hit buildings. Bombs have gone off in buildings. All sorts of stuff has happened to buildings and they don't fall down like the main towers did, let alone Building 7.

• 1:54:06Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's, it's all real weird. At the very least, if, if that was my building, I'd be like, I'm suing. You guys made a shit building.

• 1:54:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, except that he took out special insurance against plane crashes and against terrorism. Right before it.

• 1:54:21Joe Rogan?

  But you would take out insurance against terrorism because that place had already been the victim of a bombing.

• 1:54:27Speaker 03

  It had been.

• 1:54:28Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that was in the Biggie song. Blow up like the World Trade.

• 1:54:31Speaker 03

  Yup, classic move. Talking about Biggie, Diddy is on the menu. But it's important to mention, as we're getting into all these like government conspiracy theories and like CIA did it, Israel did it, Saudi did it. No one's saying- Ever, unless you're dumb, that the whole government of any of these countries did it. Like, when you say, like, people, it's like, in the anti-Israel crowd, people get smeared a lot for, like, as though you're claiming that all of Israel did 9/11, or all of Israel did this thing. Or when you're talking about the CIA, it's more obvious when you're talking about the CIA. We're not saying that the whole CIA did something.

• 1:55:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:55:00Speaker 03

  We're saying that these, these groups, these covert intelligence agencies, they are fertile ground for walled-off areas of, of need-to-know information behind levels of security clearances where plots can be hatched. And they always have been. That's the whole fucking point of an intelligence agency, is to hatch plots.

• 1:55:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:55:15Speaker 03

  Um, it's unreal that they would hatch such an evil and fucked-up plot.

• 1:55:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:55:20Speaker 03

  But it happened. And you only need to do, I mean, 9/11 happened when I was in, like, grade school, and I remember all, like, where I was and all that shit. And that was the seed that, that just sort of set under the ground until, you know, BLM, that eventually sprouted for me of, like, I always knew there was something weird, and I saw zeitgeist when I was way younger. And I, so I knew that, like, there's weird shit in this world. But I was a leftist that just wanted to go snowboarding and stuff, so I didn't really think about it. Until it walked into my city and told me to stay inside and get a jab and all sorts of shit, so.

• 1:55:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:51Speaker 03

  They really fucked up with that one.

• 1:55:52Joe Rogan?

  They really fucked up with that one. Well, I think they thought they had us. Cause I think they were-

• 1:55:57Speaker 03

  They thought they did?

• 1:55:57Joe Rogan?

  All the people that are in power are operating on a paradigm that existed before the internet.

• 1:56:01Speaker 03

  Exactly. Yep. Do you know Mickey Willis at all?

• 1:56:04Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:56:04Speaker 03

  Do you know the Plandemic films at all?

• 1:56:05Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:56:06Speaker 03

  Oh, dude, you should really check them out. Um, yeah, he, he's around this area. And I had not seen them before. Plandemic 1 was this doctor named Judy Mikovits that blew the whistle really early on. And, and that is one of the things that got all this, like, the fact that you haven't heard of it and seen it is-

• 1:56:22Joe Rogan?

  No, I've heard of it.

• 1:56:22Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:56:23Joe Rogan?

  I've heard of it, I just haven't seen it. But I was so balls-deep in the COVID thing that I didn't want to see anything more, because it was me. I wa, I was a part of it.

• 1:56:31Speaker 03

  You were a part of that censorship.

• 1:56:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:33Speaker 03

  She got that same kind of treatment of, like, smear campaigns left and right and just-

• 1:56:37Joe Rogan?

  The smear campaign against me, though, was so eye-opening. When, when you know that something's not true that's being said on CNN over and over and over again.

• 1:56:46Speaker 03

  About yourself.

• 1:56:46Joe Rogan?

  About yourself. And then they take your face and they make you green.

• 1:56:51Joe Rogan?

  It's-

• 1:56:51Speaker 03

  It's taking horse-

• 1:56:52Joe Rogan?

  It was so crazy to watch and to be a part of that it was like, wow, I'll never trust again. Cause now I know you guys are full of shit.

• 1:57:00Speaker 03

  And that was a big thing that red pilled a lot of regular people, like, like myself included. And, and a good example of like my take on that is I didn't know about ivermectin beforehand. So I didn't even just like, be like, oh, Joe Rogan said, I was like, fuck it, I'll look it up. They said that it was an award winning medication. I'll find the goddamn award that they got for it. So I looked it up and you found, and I found it. It's like, okay, cool.

• 1:57:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, not, not only that, I said a bunch of stuff I took. They only, they only locked on to this horse paste thing.

• 1:57:24Speaker 03

  Well, cause ivermectin is the, a great threat to their profit. They can't make money off of it and it works very, very well if you get it early enough.

• 1:57:32Joe Rogan?

  But imagine they ignored all the other stuff I took. I said I took IV vitamins. I took prednisone. I took Z-Pak. I took monocle antibodies.

• 1:57:43Speaker 03

  I have a theory about that and it's that they can't get an emergency use authorization. If there is a drug that is, that can be considered a cure, like a preventative.

• 1:57:51Joe Rogan?

  A treatment.

• 1:57:52Speaker 03

  A treatment, right?

• 1:57:52Joe Rogan?

  Just a treatment.

• 1:57:53Speaker 03

  And so they, right? And so they, and I mean, you've said this many times, right? Is they needed to act all treatments because the one that they went with was administered IV post, like in the hospital and it was very, very expensive. Remdesivir is a whole super fucking dark rabbit hole.

• 1:58:10Joe Rogan?

  Causes kidney failure.

• 1:58:11Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. And they knew that full well. They had already tested it out in Africa. And RFK's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, opened my eyes in a big way.

• 1:58:21Joe Rogan?

  In mine as well.

• 1:58:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:22Speaker 03

  And he still has not been sued.

• 1:58:24Joe Rogan?

  No, I was very skeptical about him before I read that book because they had done a great job of connecting him to fringe conspiracies and making him look like a kook. He's the one Kennedy that's out of his mind.

• 1:58:38Speaker 03

  And it'd been long enough since he was not a kook. Cause, cause he started doing the vaccine stuff for these moms that were coming to him with vaccine injured kids. And he was not trying to do vaccine stuff, but he saw these kids and was like, I need to fight for these people.

• 1:58:50Joe Rogan?

  And he had been spending time talking about mercury poisoning. Because he was an environmental attorney and he had successfully sued all these corporations that were dumping into rivers. He cleaned up the East River. I mean, he did so much great work. As an environmental attorney that people forget about because they did such a good job. And again, this is before social media and the internet. Like you could do a great job of smearing someone and making them look nuts. Remember Jenny McCarthy? They smeared the shit out of Jenny McCarthy because she was suggesting that her child changed after her child was vaccinated. And her child got autism. Bingo. And this is when they were doing the multi-vaccines in one day and dosing kids up. And, and they made her look like a fucking idiot and they removed her from Hollywood. She, she essentially got blacklisted.

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• 2:01:35Speaker 03

  That's the story, right?

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:36Speaker 03

  There are certain narratives that are golden cows that you cannot touch and the vaccine industry has always been one of them.

• 2:01:41Joe Rogan?

  The thing about that one is we all would agree. I would have agreed. I, if you got ahold of me six years ago and asked me about vaccines, like they're one of the most important inventions in the industry.

• 2:01:51Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 2:01:52Joe Rogan?

  And then you read, have you ever read Dissolving Illusions?

• 2:01:55Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Read that book.

• 2:01:57Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:01:58Joe Rogan?

  The, all of those diseases had dropped off because of sanitation and nutrition.

• 2:02:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've seen the graphs.

• 2:02:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they all had dropped off and then the vaccines come along.

• 2:02:09Speaker 03

  Measles included, speaking of the current thing that's a controversy.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Which is an infection that everyone got when I was a kid. And what happened was you'd get sick for a few days and then you'd be immune for life.

• 2:02:19Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 2:02:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And they're making it look like everyone's dying from measles. Like, no, if you're dying from measles, you're sick. You're already compromised, which is exactly what happened with COVID, where 90 fucking plus percent of the people who died had four plus comorbidities.

• 2:02:35Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 2:02:36Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:02:36Speaker 03

  Which is why I, it was such a red pill for me because I was like literally an ultra marathon runner that was going to the gym like three, like three hours a day. Like, I don't, I need natural immunity. I already have natural immunity. Go fuck yourselves. Like, what are you doing? And the reason why I was talking about Mickey Wilson plandemic is because the second plandemic is called indoctrination and it's basically a magnum opus about how the vaccine industry, this golden cow, is not just like, it's not just one thing or this thing or one thing. It's a organized like group of profit takers that has been growing for decades. And Bill Gates, and he like lays out how Bill Gates got into it and is on camera saying how many profits he's made off of vaccines and how great of a business model vaccines

• 2:03:18Speaker 03

  are. And, and vaccines as a concept, great concept, but it is So lucrative if manipulated and corrupted that really evil people started to do really evil things with it.

• 2:03:29Joe Rogan?

  Also, you have complete immunity to liability.

• 2:03:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, they got that orchestrated partway through that that sequence because they were starting to get sued like fucking crazy.

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:03:39Speaker 03

  Because there was all kinds of injuries and so that's how they lobbied that.

• 2:03:42Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, yeah, yeah, Reagan passed that act. They've got to stop that. You can't just give people immunity because then they lie. They lie so they can sell more stuff. And then they get caught like they did with Vioxx and they only pay a percentage of the profits.

• 2:03:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's not just it's not just that you can't give them immunity, it's that you cannot just punish with fines. You have to punish with prison time because if you don't punish with prison time, it will never change. That's true of the drug industry, that's true of our corrupt government officials that are like, for example, the person that was withholding these Epstein documents from Pam Bondi and she fired him. No, put him on a stand and and and at least give him a trial to make sure he didn't commit treason or something else, right? And maybe he's fine and you let him go and he's just fired. But like if you're if you're not going to send the Epstein clients to prison, if you're just going to like find a couple of people like 2008 banking collapse, we'll find one. Like we'll find all the bankers a little bit and we'll just put one little pawn of a banker in jail.

• 2:04:36Speaker 03

  That's why we have this crazy fucking like 2008 was horrible, but it was by no means the last market crash that we're having. Like because no one ever went to jail. They just switched their tactics around and get ready for the next profit taking event.

• 2:04:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they've already paid everybody off so that they get preferable treatment. And this is exactly what happens to the pharmaceutical drug companies when they get caught, they just pay fines. They don't go to jail. They killed 50, 60,000 people with Vioxx.

• 2:05:03Speaker 03

  Thing about white collar crime is it's real profitable and there's no consequences.

• 2:05:06Joe Rogan?

  And they have the media because they sponsor the media.

• 2:05:09Speaker 03

  Yep, and usually they're in bed with these intelligence agencies and organized crime aspects in some small ways or sometimes really big ways. Like in the case of the opium fields where they're clearly getting their opium from these poppy fields. And clearly they are interfacing with the drug, the illegal drug trades at least on some level.

• 2:05:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:28Speaker 03

  Not necessarily saying they're collaborating, but they're certainly like getting it from the same suppliers. It's just, it's really dark.

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  The idea that they're not is crazy.

• 2:05:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:05:35Joe Rogan?

  The idea that you're gonna have 94% of the world's opium and you're just gonna ignore it while you're occupying the country with the military force? And guarding the fields, shut the fuck up.

• 2:05:43Speaker 03

  Especially considering, so that was George W. Bush, right? But George H. W. Bush, this is a one that's not totally declassified yet, but I've been digging deep into it. I got a whole bunch of documents on it and it's kinda declassified, is that during Vietnam era, we were, we were managing all of the opium production and the heroin production in Laos and in the surrounding area. And it was being sold to American service members to make money for the CIA for black operations. And that was George H. W. Bush. That was his time, that's why his nickname is Poppy.

• 2:06:13Joe Rogan?

  Da.

• 2:06:14Speaker 03

  It's not because he's like the dad. It's because he was brought into that organization with Richard Helms.

• 2:06:19Joe Rogan?

  That's the reason why his name, oh no.

• 2:06:22Speaker 03

  That's why his nickname is Poppy. And that is still not mainstream CIA like disclosure news. There's a whole fucking rabbit hole about it. Like it is kinda disclosed that we were involved in that drug trade somewhat, but it's not disclosed that, that that's why all the Vietnam veterans came home addicted to heroin. Because the CIA was selling heroin to them and to a lot of other parts of the world in order to raise funds for their black budget operations. Because the CIA has always had trouble funding all their operations, ever since the start.

• 2:06:49Joe Rogan?

  What they did with crack cocaine in Los Angeles.

• 2:06:51Speaker 03

  Bingo.

• 2:06:52Joe Rogan?

  Free Way Ricky Ross.

• 2:06:53Speaker 03

  It's all tied in. So the guy, so Bill Casey, who, uh, Bill Colby, rather, who put that all together, he was, he was in the heroin operations in Vietnam and he was like a little lower down and, and not running it. And then as he grew up and came to power in the CIA, and those other guys that were more competent, Richard Helms being the primary one, Richard Helms and H. W. Bush, they were not involved when he went off on his own and tried to set up the cocaine smuggling. And that's why he bungled it so fucking bad, because he was a psychopath that didn't have the skillsets required in order to run something that complex. And it eventually, when Barry Seal got popped, he was the guy that was flying the, like, it used to be I'll drive a truck with a brick of cocaine across the border. And then Barry Seal was this military CIA pilot that said like,

• 2:07:37Speaker 03

  I'll just fill my whole fucking plane with cocaine and you get like a thousand runs in one. And he was just flying whole. planes over to Mena, Arkansas, where Bill Clinton was the governor.

• 2:07:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:47Speaker 03

  As well as a few other places.

• 2:07:48Joe Rogan?

  That Tom Cruise movie where they get a call from the governor.

• 2:07:52Speaker 03

  Bingo.

• 2:07:53Joe Rogan?

  And they have to let Barry Seal's out, which did happen.

• 2:07:55Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. And when Barry Seal finally got popped, everyone started, all the rats started to run and try to look out for their own. And eventually that led to Oliver North taking the stand and totally bungling his fucking job on the stand. He was supposed to be like, bro, you're supposed to be the fall guy. And now we just have this huge fucking problem.

• 2:08:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:11Speaker 03

  It's wild.

• 2:08:12Joe Rogan?

  Dude. And these are just one of thousands of stories like this.

• 2:08:17Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Thousands and thousands of stories.

• 2:08:19Speaker 03

  Very well documented that originally, originally, you're a fringe reporter, Gary Webb, you're making it all up. You're disgraced and Gary Webb's writing Dark Alliance. You can look up his Wikipedia page. And Gary Webb exposed how Freeway Ricky Ross was the outlet for all this cocaine. And when you, and holy shit, Freeway Ricky Ross is a crazy story, but then when he exposed.

• 2:08:38Joe Rogan?

  I've had him on three times.

• 2:08:40Speaker 03

  Yeah?

• 2:08:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:08:41Speaker 03

  Dude, what an interesting guy, right?

• 2:08:42Joe Rogan?

  They're selling weed in LA now.

• 2:08:44Speaker 03

  Dude. What a full circle. He goes from wanting to be a tennis pro to being the number one kingpin of cocaine.

• 2:08:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, not only that.

• 2:08:51Speaker 03

  Business mastermind.

• 2:08:53Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't know how to read.

• 2:08:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, illiterate the whole time.

• 2:08:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, learn how to read in jail, became a lawyer in jail.

• 2:08:59Speaker 03

  No shit?

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  And then realized that the three strikes law had been inaccurately applied to him.

• 2:09:04Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 2:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:05Speaker 03

  I did not know that.

• 2:09:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they, they.

• 2:09:07Speaker 03

  That's crazy, dude.

• 2:09:07Joe Rogan?

  They applied it to one specific event. It's supposed to be you get arrested three different times for three felonies.

• 2:09:13Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. No, I think that they needed to cover it all up.

• 2:09:15Joe Rogan?

  So he's out of jail.

• 2:09:16Speaker 03

  Because shit was starting to come out. Because Gary Webb was starting to fucking, I mean, maybe Gary Webb was after that. But then Gary Webb committed suicide by shooting himself in the head two times.

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:25Speaker 03

  It's like, okay, guys.

• 2:09:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:26Speaker 03

  Crazy movie about, crazy movie about that, too.

• 2:09:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, crazy, crazy, crazy. There's so many of these things. It's like, the idea of a conspiracy theory being a ridiculous fringe thing doesn't hold water anymore.

• 2:09:39Speaker 03

  It's like the Jimmy Dore skit. It's like, reading? You mean reading? You should try it.

• 2:09:44Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy's the best.

• 2:09:45Speaker 03

  I love Jimmy so much.

• 2:09:46Joe Rogan?

  He was just here. He just filmed his new special.

• 2:09:48Speaker 03

  No way.

• 2:09:49Joe Rogan?

  The mothership, yeah. Jimmy's the best. I love him to death. I've known him from comedy, just from comedy, from back in the day.

• 2:09:55Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 2:09:55Joe Rogan?

  And then when he was at Young Turks, when he was a leftist.

• 2:09:58Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 2:09:58Joe Rogan?

  And then, which he really still holds all those same values.

• 2:10:02Speaker 03

  No, he holds it down. Like you and him are the two guys I point to when I, and him a little more than you now. Of when I'm like, where's the sane left still at?

• 2:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:10:09Speaker 03

  It's kinda like you guys and like the, like Eric Weinstein is a good example. Eric and Brett Weinstein.

• 2:10:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:10:14Speaker 03

  There's a couple. But a lot of them have just gone insane.

• 2:10:16Joe Rogan?

  Taibbi's another one.

• 2:10:17Speaker 03

  Taibbi's great, I love Taibbi.

• 2:10:19Joe Rogan?

  There's people who didn't cave.

• 2:10:20Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 2:10:20Joe Rogan?

  And, but they, boy, did they get fucking attacked. Boy, they have a lot of pressure.

• 2:10:24Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:10:25Joe Rogan?

  It's like, it's so hard to know what's real in the world. And unless you have Schellenberger, unless you have Glenn Greenwald, unless you have those people out there that are risking their neck, they're sticking their neck out there to tell you exactly what's going on. This is what funded it, this is how it started. Don't let them say any differently. We made an agreement with Russia, we did this, NATO did that. This is what's going on.

• 2:10:49Speaker 03

  Can't be bought.

• 2:10:49Joe Rogan?

  And there's, it's so important and they rise now. There's so many of them now and they're coming, it's becoming much more mainstream. And if you look at some of their videos, it's millions of views. And then you find that, you know, MSNBC is getting a fraction of that.

• 2:11:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:02Joe Rogan?

  And they're, you know, corporate funded, enormous, huge organizations with staff and, and now they're hemorrhaging people.

• 2:11:09Speaker 03

  It's wild to watch the mainstream journalists, like the MSNBC folk.

• 2:11:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:14Speaker 03

  Have to leave, like Joy Reid just left, for example, and like when Don Lemon left.

• 2:11:18Joe Rogan?

  They got fired.

• 2:11:18Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 2:11:19Joe Rogan?

  You can't say left. They're fired. They didn't wanna leave. They got kicked out.

• 2:11:21Speaker 03

  But they try to make it in the new media world and they're just like, you have no value here because you were never good at this job. You were just good at reading propaganda to us.

• 2:11:30Joe Rogan?

  You looked good and you got put on camera.

• 2:11:32Speaker 03

  Whereas Tucker Carlson get kicked out and he fucking slays it. And he just grows bigger and bigger and bigger. Cause he's not bought and he's not scared and he actually is good at communicating and interviewing and, and getting to the truth. And it's so cool to watch this seismic shifting in the industry.

• 2:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's really fascinating. It's a fascinating time and I think it's good. Good for humans.

• 2:11:52Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  It's it's good for the human race. It's good and there's gonna be a lot of bullshit out there. There's a lot of stuff that's not true, but that's okay, too. You'll you'll figure it out.

• 2:12:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:12:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, it the the truth will rise. There's too many people that are telling the truth. And there's too much that's undeniable that once you start reading, you start questioning virtually everything.

• 2:12:11Speaker 05

  Fun tie for two things you guys were just talking about.

• 2:12:13Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Southern Air Transport. This is the airline, right?

• 2:12:16Speaker 05

  This was the airline used, uh, came out the same day that they filed for bankruptcy after being in Columbus, Ohio. Being used by Leslie Wexner's.

• 2:12:25Speaker 03

  Leslie Wexner is deeply tied into those CIA lines.

• 2:12:29Joe Rogan?

  A lot of roads lead back to Columbus, Jamie.

• 2:12:31Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. And it's all because of Leslie Wexner.

• 2:12:33Speaker 05

  Talk about that a little more. I've got some things to share with our friends.

• 2:12:36Joe Rogan?

  Jamie's got Jamie's got his own conspiracy.

• 2:12:38Speaker 05

  Files.

• 2:12:39Speaker 03

  Heard that.

• 2:12:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:40Speaker 03

  I'm with you on that.

• 2:12:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Why, it's just, it's wild how many of these things. And again, before the internet, this is how they did business. This is why it's so sloppy. It's because the before before the internet, you didn't have to cover your tracks. You could get away with this stuff.

• 2:12:55Speaker 03

  And the thing about the internet that I love, that um, gets me called a controlled opposition all the time, is that I love that all of their tactics work backwards, too. I can use those tactics, too. I can make propaganda, because what propaganda is, is just convincing messaging.

• 2:13:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:13:10Speaker 03

  And if you have convincing messaging in the hands of an evil, fucking, megalomaniacal dictator, government, CIA, whatever it is, that's really bad. But if you have propaganda tools in the in the hands of regular citizens that have morals and values that want the best for the world, correctly applied, you can fight back against them.

• 2:13:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:13:26Speaker 03

  And so there's this element where I'm like, I'm looking at how do you open people's minds? Like, how do you strategize to like, get your, because and it's a balance, right? Because when I'm reporting on something, it's important to tell the truth. It's important to be accurate. And accuracy, if you really dig enough and get enough accuracy, that that reduces entertainment value. But if you find the way to balance entertainment value with accuracy the right way, which is always a moving target, you can change the world. Like, I'm a regular dude. Two years ago, I was an Uber Eats driver, an ultra marathon running guy. I was like a no one in the middle of nowhere. And then I'm like, all right. I'll just contribute and I'll start trying to tell these stories, trying to learn and communicate what's going on.

• 2:14:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, you have to also have a particular knack for it and you have to be really interested in these things.

• 2:14:10Speaker 03

  Interest is the most important part.

• 2:14:11Joe Rogan?

  Very actually totally completely interested in it.

• 2:14:14Speaker 03

  I think that a lot of people try to get into like podcasting and like this internet field these days because it's like what you're supposed to do.

• 2:14:21Joe Rogan?

  It's a business.

• 2:14:21Speaker 03

  But they don't realize that that's gonna be your job every day for the rest of your life. You better fucking love it, right?

• 2:14:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're seeing that with a lot of podcasters where they just they start off and then they fall off because they can't do it because they're not interested.

• 2:14:32Speaker 03

  Yep, and it's a lot of work and a lot of hassle and there's no guarantee of success. It's like a very saturated industry now.

• 2:14:37Joe Rogan?

  And you have to actually be locked in with what you're talking about because if you're not, there's too much competition. There's too many people that are locked in.

• 2:14:44Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:14:45Joe Rogan?

  Okay, what do you think is going on with the whole UAP thing?

• 2:14:48Speaker 03

  Dude, I love this fucking conversation.

• 2:14:51Joe Rogan?

  I love this fucking conversation. I never get tired of it.

• 2:14:54Speaker 03

  Do you want to go the angle of like what are the crafts or do you want to go the bigger angle of like what is the phenomenon?

• 2:15:00Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's start with what is the phenomenon?

• 2:15:02Speaker 03

  I think that right now, science and religion and UAP exposure are all converging on similar truths. And what I mean by that is that um, science, so you know the science of consciousness, how we don't really know where the fuck consciousness comes from?

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:15:17Speaker 03

  But there's a lot of people that start to suggest that it sounds like we're antenna that are receiving consciousness from some sort of consciousness field or some sort of other like.

• 2:15:24Joe Rogan?

  Have you read any Thomas Campbell?

• 2:15:26Speaker 03

  No, I don't think so.

• 2:15:26Joe Rogan?

  You should read the Big Toe Theory of Everything. It's very bizarre stuff, very hard to swallow. You gotta go back and listen to it multiple times.

• 2:15:36Speaker 03

  I like that kind of shit.

• 2:15:37Joe Rogan?

  I had him on the podcast and at the end of it, I was like, we gotta stop here and I have to think about everything you said and then we'll bring you back and we'll go deeper. Because he wanted to keep going and go deeper and deeper. Like he's been living in these realms.

• 2:15:48Speaker 03

  It goes and goes dude, because you're talking metaphysics, you're talking physics, you're talking like history and like disclosure about history and dimension. And like I suspect that whatever consciousness is coming from is this multiverse, this this consciousness field, this ether, this multi-dimensional thing, whatever. I suspect that's very similar to what UAPs are traversing in and out of and through. And I suspect that's very similar. To what we identify as either the gods plural, the aliens plural that have these abilities we don't have.

• 2:16:16Joe Rogan?

  Angels.

• 2:16:17Speaker 03

  As well as gods, gods singular, which is probably the highest up above all of those things. I suspect there's a version of all these things that are starting to converge on one truth. Because when you learn about remote viewing, that's what really cracked it for me was learning how much money the CIA has invested in remote viewing over the years. The CIA is not spending millions and millions of dollars on some crackpot bullshit that's not gonna work. They would for a little while. But they've been doing it and doing it and doing it. And now we've got disclosure from people that are coming out whistleblowing that they are doing it today. And I'm in the program and this is how we did it.

• 2:16:48Joe Rogan?

  Have you listened to the telepathy tapes?

• 2:16:50Speaker 03

  I've listened to a few, a little bit of them. I've not.

• 2:16:52Joe Rogan?

  I had Kai Dickens on the podcast the other day and she explained the whole thing, like provable. Hours and hours and hours of nonverbal autistic kids who have telepathy, provable telepathy, undeniable. Hundred percent accuracy, wild.

• 2:17:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I suspect that all of that is, and there's a weaponization of it. There's a, I mean, it's not just public study of it. There's definitely been private study of it by the intelligence agencies and probably the weapons developers for a long time. I mean, I was very surprised to hear Elon's answer to your alien question the other day, which I understand that he probably couldn't talk about it anyways.

• 2:17:26Joe Rogan?

  That's how I take all of his answers about aliens.

• 2:17:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's like, nice try. I had to try. All right, and look, I don't even, I don't ask him about it off air either.

• 2:17:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:35Joe Rogan?

  I don't.

• 2:17:36Speaker 03

  I mean, you gotta respect a man's like private, like he's got NDAs up the wazoo for that kinda shit.

• 2:17:40Joe Rogan?

  Also, he has top secret military clearance and he runs SpaceX.

• 2:17:45Speaker 03

  Bingo.

• 2:17:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say jack shit.

• 2:17:47Speaker 03

  And that's where Flat Earth comes in.

• 2:17:48Joe Rogan?

  They're all real, they're very subtle. That's what I would say too.

• 2:17:51Speaker 03

  Exactly. And I think that Flat Earth, a lot of the evidence that gets cited as Flat Earth, like for example NASA fakes footage. And if you look into it, it's fucking obvious that NASA is putting out fake footage. They're clearly on wires in some of that footage. Clearly some of that footage is underwater and there's bubbles fucking floating up and shit.

• 2:18:07Joe Rogan?

  Which footage?

• 2:18:08Speaker 03

  Just like NASA publishes all kinds of footage, from like the ISS, do they have live streams, do they do like videos? And no one ever watches it, cause like whoever watches random NASA footage.

• 2:18:16Joe Rogan?

  ISS footage is fake?

• 2:18:18Speaker 03

  There's a lot of footage you can find online that has come, that is coming from NASA where there's like little slips or like a guy is like, they're doing their floating shit. And then the buddy reaches out and grabs where a wire is to help his buddy get back into frame, like little slips of the, where they're like, just trying to orchestrate. Yeah, there's.

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  I've never seen any of that.

• 2:18:35Speaker 03

  And who knows if it's real or not?

• 2:18:37Joe Rogan?

  It looks hokey.

• 2:18:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, so all I'm saying is that gets cited by flat-earthers as like NASA's covering up Flat Earth.

• 2:18:42Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:18:43Speaker 03

  And what I'm saying is that there's a lot of reasons why NASA would cover up and produce fake footage from something like the ISS and every single one of them rhymes with aliens. Because if there's any type of aliens going on up here, it's very possible that they are up there in that fucking space station.

• 2:18:56Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:18:57Speaker 03

  Or like, they could be, like, I don't know. And I'm not saying I think they are for sure. I'm just saying that people tend to look at a piece of evidence and jump too quickly on the one explanation that they're sure is right. And sometimes there's other explanations. And aliens apply to so many parts of our world, like demons. Sound very much like the UAP phenomenon to me, right? A lot of these religious beliefs sound very much like explainable, just with different wording, by UAP phenomenon. As in, some of these aliens, we seem to be, we seem to be being told that they communicate telepathically, they have energetic ability, right?

• 2:19:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:32Speaker 03

  I just, I'm getting to the point where I'm suspecting that we're gonna have, be finding out that religion is like, humans trying to interpret these phenomenon over millennia, in all the human ways we would, and telling stories about them. And I'm not saying that God's not real, I'm saying God is real. And, and that does not diminish God at all. I almost think it makes God more important and more powerful to understand. Because it, from my understanding, correct me if you have a different one, it sounds like we're getting a lot of reports that are cross-corroborating that there's more than one thing going on here. It's not all aliens are the same, and it's not, they, some of them might be us from the future, some of them might be us from under the water, some of them might be other species, some of the, it's really hard to pin down like, what all these phenomenon are, but they're definitely not just made up.

• 2:20:16Joe Rogan?

  And I think some of them are ours.

• 2:20:18Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 2:20:18Joe Rogan?

  I think, and that, I think, the cover-up is the weird part, though. It's like, if you go back to Operation Blue Book, that, when they started doing that, the, the sole purpose of Operation Blue Book is to take any credible story and make it look ridiculous.

• 2:20:34Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:20:35Joe Rogan?

  And they, they talked about that openly and then Heineck, when he left Operation Blue Book, became a believer.

• 2:20:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20:41Joe Rogan?

  And started talking about UFOs being real. That's, that's a fucking, that's a big old red flag right there.

• 2:20:47Speaker 03

  I mean, the UFO community is filled with people like that, that are, and it's really hard to know who's who. It's super hard to know who's who. And did you notice how recently, like the last, a month ago, sort of, there was this breaking story that set the whole UAP community on fire about this disclosure that I think Jeremy Corbo was coming out of whistleblowing on, if I remember correctly? That they were saying that they're gonna blue beam, they're gonna trick us by saying that there's a mothership arriving in three years.

• 2:21:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:12Speaker 03

  Right?

• 2:21:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I did hear that.

• 2:21:13Speaker 03

  And it's, and it becomes this thing where it's like, how do you know? He's saying that he's exposing it, but how do you know if he's exposed? It, it's just like, it's the ultimate test of are you skeptical enough and also open-minded enough and thoughtful enough?

• 2:21:25Joe Rogan?

  Also, if there's a believer, get them some bullshit. Feed the believer some bullshit.

• 2:21:30Speaker 03

  Exactly. They don't even have to know that they're in on it, right?

• 2:21:33Joe Rogan?

  They don't have to know. And it could be like, kinda plausible bullshit and it could be corroborated with some other bullshit that you have.

• 2:21:40Speaker 03

  I think that's what most bullshit artists are in most fields. I think it's usually useful idiots, like people like myself, genuinely. Like, I am in some ways, one of those people in the sense that if I get fooled by something, I become that.

• 2:21:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:52Speaker 03

  Which is why it's so important to think really carefully and to be okay with being wrong.

• 2:21:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:55Speaker 03

  Because you never know what your sources are.

• 2:21:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:58Speaker 03

  And that's also why I'm really, I'm really careful not to do very many like, leaks or whistleblows or like, because how do I know who the fuck you are? I don't wanna spend all the time to try to vet you and find out where you came from and your story came from. I'd way rather just learn. There's so much to learn.

• 2:22:13Joe Rogan?

  One of the weirdest things about Jacques Vallée's work is that Jacques Vallée has been documenting this stuff, again, it's like since, I think, the 50s or the 60s is when he started, but he's also documented historical stories. And the historical stories are-

• 2:22:27Speaker 03

  You mean like from before modern times?

• 2:22:28Joe Rogan?

  Like 1700s, 1800s. And these stories are the same story. They're the same story and people never heard of them. Not only that, in the 70s, he's documenting this woman that in California found an egg-shaped craft in her yard. Like she- She tells this story about confronting this being, there's an egg shaped craft, these fucking egg shaped crafts. All described by people who don't know that someone else has described this story.

• 2:22:56Speaker 03

  And no one would ever choose an egg shape when they're describing an aircraft.

• 2:22:59Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 2:23:01Speaker 03

  Especially back then.

• 2:23:02Joe Rogan?

  And it's also all telepathic communication, it's all like weird moments.

• 2:23:07Speaker 03

  Same stories.

• 2:23:08Joe Rogan?

  Lapse of time, memories confused, you feel like your brain's been erased, don't know what's going on, you find yourself in a field, how did I get here?

• 2:23:16Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:23:17Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of weird shit that's like the same story over and over and over again, too much so that you get, first of all, clearly, when you're dealing with things in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds, it's not modern propaganda, it's not the government, it's not, they're not covering up drones in the seventeen hundreds. So why are these people saying, why are these stories in the fucking Bhagavad Gita?

• 2:23:36Speaker 03

  I mean, you could make the argument, not the Bhagavad Gita, but you could make the argument that back then people were writing fiction or wanted attention, like, those could apply, but I'm skeptical. But yeah, I get down with the ancient ones, like with the grand hancocks of this world, I love, that was my first conspiracy theory stuff back when I was a leftist, is I was just like, ancient conspiracy theories, let's go. And it's so compelling, the great flood, the Randall Carlsons of this world, and the way that they kind of talk about, and it's so obvious more and more and more that there is a cover up, and Jimmy Corsetti has been really going hard at mainstream archaeology lately of like.

• 2:24:07Joe Rogan?

  No, he's fantastic.

• 2:24:07Speaker 03

  Right, to not just look at the evidence of the old school, like the ancient conspiracy theories, but actually to just go at the cover up today. Because that sometimes is the most effective thing, is to just target the cover up, because that is clear evidence that we're on to something.

• 2:24:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think of because of Jimmy Corsetti and his exposure of them planting those trees in Gobekli Tepe.

• 2:24:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:24:26Joe Rogan?

  He was one of the first people to say, yeah, they're changing it, they're pulling those trees out. Because he was one of the first people to say, hey, those roots are gonna damage these ruins. And they're like, no, no, no, it's fine, it's safe, and then they're like, actually, the roots are damaging the ruins.

• 2:24:38Speaker 03

  But then you do get people that like go all the way to, uh, like, uh, the gods, the one, the guy that thinks Nibiru is the fourth planet, the twelfth planet or whatever.

• 2:24:48Joe Rogan?

  Zachariasitian?

• 2:24:48Speaker 03

  Zachariasitian, and like, there's people that go so far down these ancient conspiracy theory rabbit holes that I feel like we're getting way off track here, guys, like. Starting to cite sources that are not credible and we're taking it to places where like, yeah, maybe the Anunnaki were here to mine gold and maybe we're, I mean, very plausible that we're all genetically engineered, I think, but there's, there's like a fine line between, between, maybe that could be true and

• 2:25:11Joe Rogan?

  Those stories are the best, though. They're the most fun.

• 2:25:15Speaker 03

  I'm actually, I'm planning to write a book that is sort of like a series of books, really, in my, like, across my later life that is basically, imagine writing a book that is like set in the, you could write ancient books about the old school, where if that was book was real, you could still wind up in today's world with all the same evidence we have and it could be real. Even if back then it's crazy magic and there's like all this crazy shit going on, it could still end up with, oh, the pyramids are left over from that and oh, the, the ruins are here after that great flood thing happened.

• 2:25:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:25:43Speaker 03

  And then you could like write all kinds of crazy conspiracy theory stories into today that, that like, how could you prove that this is not real?

• 2:25:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:25:51Speaker 03

  I think, I just think that's the most fun aspect is how much we don't know.

• 2:25:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's the evidence of ancient technology is one of the more fascinating aspects of trying to piece together our past because whatever explanation you try to use to make the pyramids, none of them work.

• 2:26:05Speaker 03

  Nope, not even close.

• 2:26:07Joe Rogan?

  None of them work. None of them work. None of them work.

• 2:26:08Speaker 03

  And even their purpose doesn't make any fucking sense. Clearly they were not tombs.

• 2:26:12Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:26:12Speaker 03

  I mean, they, pretty clearly there was some sort of power generation or something like that, energy.

• 2:26:16Joe Rogan?

  Um, Christopher.

• 2:26:21Speaker 03

  I've been seeing Timothy, the grand master of the Knights Templar guy that's going around on podcasts these days, Timothy someone, someone? Yeah, dude, it's crazy.

• 2:26:29Joe Rogan?

  Chris Dowd, right? Christopher Dowd. So Christopher Dowd is Dunn, Christopher Dunn, sorry, Chris.

• 2:26:36Speaker 03

  Dowd is a different guy's last name, right?

• 2:26:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm thinking of Mike Dowd from the Seven Two, the documentary on the corrupt police department.

• 2:26:44Speaker 03

  So what's Dunn's name?

• 2:26:44Joe Rogan?

  Christopher Dunn is all about, well, he's an engineer and his theory was that it was a giant power plant.

• 2:26:50Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:26:50Joe Rogan?

  And he has a very sophisticated giza, the power plant, very sophisticated.

• 2:26:55Speaker 03

  Aquifers underneath them and the two types of stone, sort of a thing?

• 2:26:58Joe Rogan?

  He's talking about the, the physical structure of the way the pyramid was made and that there was, excuse me. The subterranean chamber that they used to generate like a pounding of vibration that went through the entire structure of the pyramid. It generated this vibration and they had chemicals that were coming in that were producing hydrogen.

• 2:27:18Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 2:27:18Joe Rogan?

  He had the king's chamber, the way it's lined up. This is exactly how you do it if you were trying to do this. It's like, everything matches up mathematically. It's fascinating.

• 2:27:26Speaker 03

  And they're built on aquifers from the Nile flooding every year. And every year when the Nile floods, water rushes underneath those pyramids through these like stony, kind of like porous rocky structures under there. It's just, there's so many interesting versions of what it could be.

• 2:27:39Joe Rogan?

  At the very least, it's a mystery. And it's also a mystery that shows fantastic engineering and construction methods. And the ability to move rocks and bring them from 500 miles away through the mountains that are 50 tons. Like, how?

• 2:27:56Speaker 03

  I suspect telepathy of some form. I suspect like alien capability. Do you think it's technology or do you think it's like?

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's some kind of technology, right?

• 2:28:04Speaker 03

  You don't think it could possibly be that aliens have the ability to literally move things with their minds?

• 2:28:09Joe Rogan?

  I mean, look, if you're dealing with something that can come here from another planet, communicates telepathically, who knows? Who bugger knows? But even if it's human beings, let's say it's super sophisticated human beings that lived at the very least 4,500 years ago. Cause that's the conventional dating of the construction. Even that, you're like, how?

• 2:28:30Speaker 03

  Yup. We can't do it today.

• 2:28:31Joe Rogan?

  How? And people that say we can't, sure, we could. It would take hundreds of years.

• 2:28:36Speaker 03

  Jimmy's done, Jimmy Corset, he's done some great videos where he compiles real videos of us moving large objects today. And like the trucks breaking and the cranes falling off of cliffs and all this shit of like, look at how hard it is to move these kinds of rocks. It's crazy, dude.

• 2:28:49Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. And the idea that they were completed in 20 years, which is the brain of kufu.

• 2:28:54Speaker 03

  Yup. Total garbage.

• 2:28:55Joe Rogan?

  And it's also like these archaeologists are so, they're clinging to this narrative because this is what they taught in schools, what they wrote books about.

• 2:29:02Speaker 03

  And then when you look at the conspiracy, the cover up, there's no reason for that level of cover up if it's just a building technology. That's where I start to go, clearly that is connected to these UAP technologies, to these free energy technologies, whatever it is. There has to be some sort of reason why covering up how these ancient structures and ancient cultures were built and worked. Has to relate somehow to something very important and valuable today.

• 2:29:26Joe Rogan?

  I think they also have to somehow or another explain it. Because to say that it's impossible opens up too many doors. And it removes the expert. Cause you're not an expert anymore, cause you're one of us now. You might know more about that site than I do. But you still don't know what the fuck happened. So you have to claim, or at least push it out there. You're the voice of reason, you're the voice of, this is, this is the actual historians. We're the real archaeologists, don't worry, we've got it covered.

• 2:29:57Speaker 03

  I saw a really funny meme the other day that was, um, it was like four pictures and it was, humanity gets really intelligent, invents AI. AI builds all these crazy technologies and pyramids. Sun flare wipes out AI, humanity restarts.

• 2:30:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it could be.

• 2:30:12Speaker 03

  That's a fair, a fair, I mean, how would we know?

• 2:30:14Joe Rogan?

  Or it could be the asteroids that hit, or the, the comets that hit at the Younger Dryas impact.

• 2:30:19Speaker 03

  It is an interesting split in the conversation, right? Between the solar flare conversation and the, and the comet impact conversation. And there's like evidence for both. It could have been both at once, or across a period of a thousand years or something.

• 2:30:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the Younger Dryas impact theory, they think there was more than one event. They think there was an event around 11,800 years ago, and then again around 10,000 plus years ago. And this, this makes sense why civilization sort of emerges 6,000 years ago. Because it's like, we were probably fucking savages for thousands of years, we're probably monsters.

• 2:30:49Speaker 03

  I mean, I'd imagine that we only lived inside of sorts of like Elora caves type places for a while, right?

• 2:30:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, which is they've found evidence of these massive underground structures. That they can't explain, why would someone use their resources? In a time of hunters and gatherers to build these underground structures that are fucking insane? Like multiple football fields underground.

• 2:31:10Speaker 03

  Entire cities that can house thousands, thousands, thousands of people. And a couple of smart researchers point out really astutely that, if you were doing that to hide from other humans, to like protect yourself from other humans, you would never dig into a cave system that you could just get drowned in. Right, you'd never dig into a cave system that has no way out so that you can just get sealed in. That's clearly not, it wasn't to escape humans.

• 2:31:31Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to leave to get food.

• 2:31:32Speaker 03

  Bingo.

• 2:31:33Joe Rogan?

  You'd be trapped, like the Mongols used to like famously sit outside cities for weeks. Just waiting for people to starve. Just, we'll just wait. We have plenty of food out here.

• 2:31:43Speaker 03

  And that's another example of this exact same phenomenon we're talking about of these old control systems that work perfectly well in the old era. And now that we have these communication technologies and everyone's getting linked together, it's just the free flow of ideas that just, it's like this natural evolution of consciousness and humanity, that we just naturally start to break through those mech- I'm of the mindset that, yeah, we can all change the world and yeah, we all, our choices do matter a lot, but also in some ways, we're all just part of this cosmic system of like, the evolution, like, we're all just part of this giant humanity system.

• 2:32:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:32:15Speaker 03

  Where we all collectively on balance with all the weird probabilities of all these people, we're gonna evolve technology, we were gonna industrial revolutionize, we were gonna find oil, we were gonna discover electronics, we were gonna invent AI, it was always gonna happen.

• 2:32:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:32:27Speaker 03

  And this is an era that is always was gonna happen, and it will happen one way or the other, like, we affect how it happens, we could go the Whitney Web dystopian, like, they rule us with surveillance everywhere, or we could go to this great utopia of like, everyone has enough and we're all, you know, using technology for the better.

• 2:32:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think, I think she's right that that's a possibility.

• 2:32:46Speaker 03

  It's a super important one to talk about, too.

• 2:32:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, Elon talks about, like, there's an 80% chance that AI will save us, 20% chance it'll rule us.

• 2:32:54Speaker 03

  I do respect how he openly will say that, like, like, yeah, the things I'm inventing could be used for evil, like, the things I'm inventing are dangerous, like, and we need to be careful and regulate them properly and create them with intention and careful care, I don't know if he's necessarily doing as much as I would hope he's doing to take care with that, but I'm sure glad it's him and not Jeffrey Epstein, who was deeply interested in all these same technologies, this is a whole other side of him that no one talks about, is his interest in technologists and geneticists and all those things, right?

• 2:33:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, he had a lot of influence over scientists, that's a creepy move, like, take scientists and-

• 2:33:29Speaker 03

  Throw parties for them, throw conventions for them.

• 2:33:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:32Speaker 03

  And a couple of them, he had, he probably, a couple of them had some serious accusations, like Marvin Minsky, for example, but I bet a lot of them were not, like, compromised, like Stephen Hawking, everyone freaked out when Stephen Hawking was on the list, but it makes perfect sense, as you realize that he was throwing conventions on that island for scientists specifically, to bring them all together, because that way you get connections, you can get favors. Even if you're not blackmailing them, then they just wanna be in your, on your good side because you have all these connections and you can fund all their projects and you, you become this integral part of this technological, technological sort of space.

• 2:34:04Joe Rogan?

  Right blackmail is not the only tool. That's a blunt instrument. There's, there's a lot of just, just connections.

• 2:34:10Speaker 03

  He also just hooked people up with wives. Like, do you know that he claimed that he introduced Melania to Trump?

• 2:34:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a crazy one. I suspect Melania conspiracy time. I suspect that Melania has been whispering in Trump's ear. I think she was trafficked before. Either, either bad trafficked or good, or just like knew Epstein and like knew that world a little bit. But I suspect that she's been whispering in his ear about what that really is and does and all that things. Cause a lot of, she's been kinda like acting from the back a lot, but when you really dig into what Melania's been doing, she's very, very active in anti-trafficking and in protecting traffic victims and girls and stuff. And, and as Trump, when he married her and then they have Barron and he's watching his son grow up. So you have this young child and you have this wife telling you about her previous life, probably. And just whispering in your ear that like, this could be your legacy. This could be your legacy. This could be your legacy, right?

• 2:34:59Speaker 03

  Cause he used to be friends with those people, even though I don't think he, I don't think he was blackmailed because I think that would've come out when the Democrats were going for him.

• 2:35:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:06Speaker 03

  And maybe he was involved in the trafficking a little bit because of the things that he bought and the people that he knew and like Roy Cohn connections. But I don't even know about that. Um, but regardless, he knows the game. And then he marries Melania and then more and more, like he was in charge when Epstein went down. He was the only one that when Epstein got arrested and they were going around asking for dirt, he was like, I'll fully fucking cooperate. Fuck that guy. I'll tell you everything that I know. And so I suspect that Melania has been instrumental in his sort of shift to being the only guy willing to go after those traffickers.

• 2:35:38Joe Rogan?

  Out of all the information that's getting disclosed supposedly this administration, what do you have the least faith that we're gonna come to a conclusion?

• 2:35:48Speaker 03

  Epstein, for sure.

• 2:35:49Joe Rogan?

  Epstein.

• 2:35:49Speaker 03

  And I think it's because of Israel. I think that, because I think, I mean, when you really dig into Epstein, his entire network was Israel. It was clearly. He, like Ehud Barak was the ex-prime minister and the ex-head of Israeli intelligence. Leslie. Wechsler was one of the most powerful pro-Israeli philanthropists. The whole organization was Israel. And I'm not saying it was all of Israel.

• 2:36:07Joe Rogan?

  It was all an intelligence gathering and...

• 2:36:10Speaker 03

  And it was targeting Americans. It was targeting American officials and the American president.

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:36:14Speaker 03

  And the CIA does have interest in those targets too. Elements in the CIA does. Certainly, they had help from the CIA. And certainly, they had help from these other organized crime and intelligence operations. But you don't like, so for example, Dan Bongino, the new, uh, was he deputy director of the FBI? He recently had this clip that went all around where he said on camera that he had had a source that he trusted deeply. And he's an informed guy. He was at Fox News interview and the source told him that Epstein was working for an intelligence agency in the Middle East. And I don't know which one, but someone in the Middle East. And to be fair, we all already knew this. We all, we already know who he worked for. At least I think so. But I'm, I'm looking, okay, Dan. So if this giant group of Jewish billionaires is running a sex trafficking operation, targeting

• 2:36:56Speaker 03

  American politicians and business people and stuff, you think they're working with an Arab or Muslim nation in the Middle East? Like, you think that Lesley Wechsler is devoting his entire life to philanthropies on behalf of Israel? But then he's gonna work for Saudi Arabia when he's doing this trafficking ring?

• 2:37:11Joe Rogan?

  Right. But if someone says to him that they're all working for a country in the Middle East, knowing he knows what that means, but not specifying, doesn't he kind of have to repeat it that same way?

• 2:37:22Speaker 03

  Well, he also has to repeat it the same way because he won't get the job if he says Israel. Because Israel has so much control over our government right now. And I'm not saying that all Jews are in on something. Clearly, internet.

• 2:37:32Joe Rogan?

  Clearly, internet.

• 2:37:33Speaker 03

  And Joe is dirt, definitely not saying that.

• 2:37:34Joe Rogan?

  Definitely not.

• 2:37:35Speaker 03

  But, um, the, Israel's government is, is every bit as, uh, as vulnerable to the deep state effect as our, the American government. But I would argue that Israel's government is way more vulnerable to it because of the people that founded Israel and the way it was founded. It was founded in a modern time, much more recently, by, like, it was a revolutionary founding. And, and I, I can totally sympathize with the Jewish desire to have that state. Like, I get it. But because of the way that happened, the people that founded Israel were a bunch of organized crime figures in America, the Jewish mob, that were helping with money and with arms trafficking to get the guns there because they... Had to have guns and it was the Rothschild banking family sending a whole bunch of money and getting the declaration in the first place.

• 2:38:18Speaker 03

  And then the people that were there, the three different organizations, the Irgun, the Lehi group and the Haganah. Those were the three like paramilitary groups that fought to found Israel and they're like the heroes of Israel. Which I understand the narrative that they're heroes, but when Israel was officially founded, they officially designated Irgun and Lehi as terrorist organizations. Because they had been bombing civilians, they'd been bombing British civilians, the first official act of terror before they changed the definition. Was the bombing of the King David Hotel where these terrorists, these Lehi and Irgun terrorists, a couple, a bunch of different groups. Who, one of the guy who planned that bombing later became the prime minister of Israel.

• 2:38:56Speaker 03

  They were bombing civilians and, and like, so those, when those are the groups that are fighting to found that nation. Even if all the Jews there are wonderful people, the leadership is inherently composed of these people that have been deeply corrupt for all time. And so you get this fertile ground for this kind of deep state effect to take power. And when you start to research the heads of state of Israel over history, you realize that a bunch of them were in those groups doing those terrorist acts. And have done a bunch of dark stuff because those were the people that were at the top of that military organization. Like the, those terrorist organizations reformed to form the IDF.

• 2:39:33Joe Rogan?

  And what's interesting is you can talk about this now, post October 7th.

• 2:39:38Speaker 03

  It opened wide open.

• 2:39:39Joe Rogan?

  Post Gaza.

• 2:39:39Speaker 03

  You want to know a funny story, actually? I didn't know shit about it and I started doing 9/11 stuff and I was doing a 9/11 video on my YouTube and I knew about the Dancing Israelis. Conspiracy theory that is very much a real set of documents. And I knew that I'm not allowed to talk about Israel for some reason and I didn't really know why. And I realized like, I better fucking understand this thing before I crater my new channel and career on this. Topic I don't understand. If I'm going to take a stance against Israel at all, I should understand why and how. So I started doing research and I, I shelved that research and I've switched to researching Israel and Palestine and the history there and what's going on. And I finished the video and it was October 6th and I was like.

• 2:40:21Speaker 03

  I was very worried because it's like you weren't allowed to talk about it. And I had just made this whole documentary about the history of Israel, Palestine, and the propaganda and what it all was. And I published it on October 6th on my Locals channel. And I kind of had this like lean back and like, if that's the end of the ride and I get canceled for this shit, so be it. And then literally the next day, and I'm not saying that October 7th was a good thing, but I'm saying that literally the next day, the entire internet was ablaze about Israel and Palestine, and everyone was talking about it. And it was the weirdest fucking coincidence, like, and suddenly it was like, oh, all right, let's fucking dig this thing open. Because unfortunately, it is, I mean, I think fortunately, I think that the state, the state of the Israeli influence that sustained them for so long, that was essential

• 2:41:06Speaker 03

  to them surviving this long, I think that it has grown cancerous to the Jewish faith in general. Because Jeffrey Epstein is the perfect example of this. Jeffrey Epstein was the world's most prolific and evil sex trafficker that we know of so far, ever. And he very clearly was a Jewish organization of Jewish people, working on behalf of Israel and other groups. And so that's a dark stain on Israel and on the Jewish people, if you own it. Like, if you try to defend that, that's not good. You don't want to have to defend that. You want to be free of that kind of shit, because the Jewish people don't believe in that. That's not what Jews are. Jews are regular people, just like everyone else.

• 2:41:43Joe Rogan?

  It's the deep state of the intelligence agencies in Israel.

• 2:41:46Speaker 03

  And the thing about Israel is that Jewish people have every incentive to need to defend Israel, right? Because if I'm a Jew, it's like, of course you have to defend Israel. Like, that's very understandable. It's your people, and you don't want another Holocaust. Like, you don't want another, like, what Jew, like, Jews have been in conflict with other people for ages, because they are outsiders, and because they're so different, and because they group up, and lots of reasons. But you don't, like, as a Jewish person, you're now faced with this choice. Do I stand by Israel always, forever, for everything, and defend everything they do? Or do I get labeled as a self-hating Jew, like Dave Smith gets labeled, like Glenn Greenwald gets labeled? Do I stand against all of my culture? And do I get ostracized by my family and by my community? But the problem is that if

• 2:42:31Speaker 03

  You have to defend everything that Israel does. You're forced to defend this fucking deep state that is in bed with these organized crime figures.

• 2:42:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:38Speaker 03

  And I would argue that that Israeli deep state is just as much in bed with all the other organized crime as our deep state is, as the Saudi deep state is.

• 2:42:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:46Speaker 03

  There's evil people at the top of all these governments.

• 2:42:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is, Israel is connected to one race of people.

• 2:42:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:42:51Joe Rogan?

  It's correct. Whereas the United States was also is involved in a lot of really fucked up things all over the world. When people think about the United States, they don't think about it as one.

• 2:43:00Speaker 03

  Bingo.

• 2:43:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:01Speaker 03

  Yep. And so it just puts us all in this impossible situation. And it's this, it's an impossible conversation that we all, and I'm glad for it because it's a maturing process. And I think we need to do it very delicately and very carefully and thoughtfully. Because Jewish people are people and they're not evil.

• 2:43:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:43:17Speaker 03

  But there are evil Jewish people and there are evil American people and there are evil Saudi people. And it's just, that's the way it is.

• 2:43:22Joe Rogan?

  Well said.

• 2:43:23Speaker 03

  Right?

• 2:43:23Joe Rogan?

  Well said.

• 2:43:23Speaker 03

  And so, and so I welcome the conversation, but unfortunately, the thing, for me fortunately, is when I first researched it, I came across this documentary on Rumble called The Occupation of the American Mind, which is a very well put together documentary that is mostly Jewish people speaking about the history of Israel and about how they realized in the eighties, when they were, there was this specific operation where they, they wound up bombing this refugee camp called Sabra and Shatila.

• 2:43:51Speaker 03

  Or a refugee camp in a place called Sabra and Shatila. And there, there was other bombing, like atrocities. It was like, I guess it was a massacre, it wasn't a bombing.

• 2:43:59Speaker 03

  And it was the first time where Western journalists had taken video cameras over there and video feed were coming back of the conflict of what was happening. And American sentiment turned really harshly against Israel in the eighties there. And they realized, we don't need to win just the kinetic war. We need to win the ideological war on the global scale. Because if we don't win that ideological war, the whole world will turn against us and call us a colonial project, which I would argue they kind of are, but that's not the point here. And I don't mean to say I'm necessarily right about my perspective on that. But. That's when they switched to a propaganda war and they started targeting the United States with propaganda and they hired the world's top propagandists to tell, to teach Israelis and Israeli military officials and government officials how to communicate with the West

• 2:44:44Speaker 03

  and how to propagandize the West so that we would remain in the dark a little bit. That's why we have this veil and this antisemitism thing and this like all the, it's why you're not allowed to talk about it because it evolved over time and they eventually, they hired this guy that I think is called Howard Luntz and Luntz worked with the Israel Project. There's a report online that came out in 2009, I think, called the Israel, the Israel Language Dictionary, the Israel American Language Dictionary. And it's basically a word for word, this is, this is how you discuss the rockets raining down. This is how you discuss the settlements. This is how you discuss the occupation and the palace and all these things. And they use examples of words that work and words that don't work. And when you read it, you realize like, holy shit, that's exactly what politicians have

• 2:45:28Speaker 03

  been saying on TV my entire life. And they use Obama as one example of really good words that work. You should talk like Obama because he's good at sort of empathizing with the other side and making us understand that like, we're here for peace and they're the terrorists. And, and I say that to mean that we live inside this propagandized space because it's been essential to them for so long to protect that image in order to continue the deep state element of what they're doing. When I would argue that we would all be much better off if Bibi was fucking not there and we had a more sane person in charge of Israel that was actually there for peace and not there for whatever the fuck Bibi is doing. And we could start to heal this thing and talk about it.

• 2:46:10Joe Rogan?

  Most people in the general public aren't even aware that the Israeli people were protesting against Netanyahu before October 6th.

• 2:46:17Speaker 03

  Bingo. He's about to get kicked out.

• 2:46:19Joe Rogan?

  Hundreds of thousands of people in the streets and that it had been going on for a long time.

• 2:46:23Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 2:46:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:25Speaker 03

  I suspect, I'm hoping I'm not blowing the lid on Trump's idea here. I kind of suspect that Trump is kind of in on a coup against Netanyahu right now. This is just my theory, based upon the way he talked about like occupying Gaza and the way he's friends with Jared Kushner and the way he's friends with the Adel. I suspect that these powerful Jews like the Adelson type people are starting to realize that Netanyahu is is kind of sinking this ship. And he's kind of fucked it all up and it's not going well for Israel in the public conversation. Like I can, I can ratio just about anyone I want on Twitter over the Israel thing because the public sentiment is just shifting. And it's not, it's not healthy for anyone, for Jewish people or anyone else. And I suspect that the powerful Jewish people are starting to see that and are starting to scheme on how do we fucking get Netanyahu out of there?

• 2:47:09Speaker 03

  And put someone in that that can actually be, and move us towards some sort of peace. Because without a genuine desire for, like Netanyahu is on fucking cameras saying that they have propped up Hamas in the Gaza Strip. Because they don't want a real government in the Gaza Strip. Because it's far better for them to run this occupation and to eventually take the land if Hamas is, I mean, I'm, that's not an exact quote. Everyone should look that up for themselves.

• 2:47:35Joe Rogan?

  But not just propped up, but funded.

• 2:47:37Speaker 03

  Exactly, yeah. And intentionally like kept there.

• 2:47:40Joe Rogan?

  Just when you hear that, you're like, well, what's the logic for funding Hamas? What, what, what?

• 2:47:44Speaker 03

  Well, it's the exact same logic as us funding the Taliban.

• 2:47:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:48Speaker 03

  It's the exact same logic and it's the exact same strategies.

• 2:47:51Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that? God, I wish I would remember where it was happening, where someone had to say, are we really sending the Taliban $40 million a week?

• 2:47:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  We were.

• 2:47:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, 100%.

• 2:48:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:01Speaker 03

  And it's, and it happens over and over and over again as we just are, like, we're just sending money willy nilly to all these, like, Ukraine, Israel, Taliban, you name it. Like, and those are just a small spatter. We've done it across the whole world, Indonesia, Central and South America.

• 2:48:14Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 2:48:15Speaker 03

  Forever. And it's this playbook of, the deep state is a funny term. I think it's kind of time to retire it. Because it's not the deep state. It's like this corporate, like, transnational corporate criminal organization space. Where transnational corporations like the banks, like JP Morgan, Jamie Dimon, they were banking Jeffrey Epstein. They don't answer to us. They're not American. They don't give a shit about America. Like, they give a shit about money and power. And they're legally required to because they're a public corporation. That's a whole BlackRock.

• 2:48:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:42Speaker 03

  We can go down. It's crazy. And so like when you look at it as, as people who have this globalist, and actually that's why people shit on Alex Jones for saying globalists. Like all the fucking anti-Jew people are like, just say the Jews. And it's like, no dude, like there's way more going on here. And the, and the tie that binds all of them together, the Klaus Schwabs of this world, the Jeff Bezos's, the, and I don't know, maybe Jeff's a good guy. I don't know. But like the people that don't think in terms of, these are my people and I love them, but I'd rather I'm like a piece of this global community of billionaires that like, our job is just to make money and fucking control the world. Like Bill Gates is a great example.

• 2:49:20Speaker 03

  They live outside of our world and they do not give a shit if COVID kills 10,000 people or 100,000 people or 10 million people, whatever. And I'm, I'm generalizing because obviously they are individuals and they each have their own perspective on what's going on, but it feels to me from researching, there's enough of them that are evil. That they're fuck doing some horrible things and the ones that are a little less evil. Maybe they know what they're in on. Maybe they only know some of it. Because you don't have to disclose everything in these kinds of plans, like for example, in a CIA plot to overthrow the government of Guatemala. You're not telling everyone the whole plan.

• 2:49:55Joe Rogan?

  They didn't tell Smedley Butler.

• 2:49:56Speaker 03

  No, they didn't tell him shit. They just, they told him that like this, they told him that they were going to overthrow a communist that was already taking over the, like, I, I think they probably told him that he was a Jewish communist because they think they were riding on like FDR's second in command was Henry Morgenthau Jr. And he was deeply aligned with the Jewish, like the, the rich Jewish kind of powers in the world at that day. And there was a lot of anti-Jewish sentiment back then. And so I suspect that they told Smedley Butler that like, this, this guy's a fucking Jewish plant and he's part of the Rothschild thing. And like, we need, he's a communist. We need to overthrow him. And Smedley didn't buy it. Smedley collected fucking research on them and he went to FDR and he exposed the whole plot.

• 2:50:33Speaker 03

  But the problem was that FDR couldn't do anything because these people, titans of industry, like, uh, like the Bushes of the world, the Fords, the.

• 2:50:44Speaker 03

  I don't even know all their names at this point. It's been a while since I did that dig. Um, he couldn't do anything and so nothing happened. He couldn't charge them because they just said, "You just got out of the Great Depression. We will fuck your economy up." Done, done. There's so much power.

• 2:50:57Joe Rogan?

  Let's bring this to a fucking halt.

• 2:50:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:51:00Joe Rogan?

  Enough. You freaked me out. The rest of my day is ruined.

• 2:51:05Speaker 03

  I know. Let's real quickly though. Let's real quickly though. Be clear.

• 2:51:08Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:51:08Speaker 03

  Joe does not agree with everything that I just said on this podcast.

• 2:51:11Joe Rogan?

  I can't believe what you said.

• 2:51:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, Joe doesn't know shit, okay?

• 2:51:13Joe Rogan?

  I am so upset that I even platformed you.

• 2:51:16Speaker 03

  This is Ian Carroll speaking.

• 2:51:17Joe Rogan?

  You're outrageous.

• 2:51:18Speaker 03

  And also like, I'm perfectly willing to have a conversation about this. Like, I don't know that I'm right about everything. I just know the sources I've read and where I've read them and, and I try my best to figure out where they are.

• 2:51:28Joe Rogan?

  You're very, very reasonable. Very reasonable in the way you do this and I think it's a valuable service. So, thank you very much. Thanks. It was a lot of fun too. It was, it was very enjoyable. Uh, tell everybody how they can find you.

• 2:51:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, find me on X, Ian Carroll Show and I have a new website that just launched, which is, uh, canceliancarroll.com. So, cancel me, bitches. Come at me.

• 2:51:46Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.

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