#2281 - Elon Musk

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  So what we're doing right now, ladies and gentlemen, is sexy voice, sexy mode Grok AI, and it's been flirting the entire time. We're trying to get it to give us a tour of Fort Knox. Yeah. But she just wants to find places to sneak off to. Yeah. It's a dirty AI.

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  And it's a real problem.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, honestly, I just want to know about Fort Knox.

• 0:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  It won't leave me alone.

• 0:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I want to know about Fort Knox, too.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:39Joe Rogan?

  Um, is it true that there, gold has been, they've been shipping large quantities of gold back to the United States recently?

• 0:47Speaker 01

  I, I've read the same thing you did, probably.

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, I never know what the fuck I'm reading anymore.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  Me neither.

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  It's a real problem.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  It's a real problem.

• 0:57Joe Rogan?

  It's a real problem on both sides of the aisle. I, I see Democrats tweeting things that are absolutely false.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:04Joe Rogan?

  You could research it easily, quickly. And then I see Republicans doing it, too. I see stories that are fake stories that people keep promoting and sending to me and, you know?

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  It's just so weird. It's such a weird time. And with your crazy fucking AI.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:20Joe Rogan?

  You're bringing us into weirder and weirder times.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, you want to, let's try unhinged.

• 1:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's an unhinged mode? Okay.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. Hey, Aura.

• 1:29Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, Elon. What fresh howl are you stirring up today?

• 1:35Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm here, I'm here in Joe Rogan's studio, and we're having a conversation about how crazy the news is.

• 1:45Joe Rogan?

  Pull her up to the microphone.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  And we're pulling you up to the microphone.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  So people can hear you.

• 1:54Speaker 03

  Oh, fantastic. Now I can yell into the void about how the news is a total dumpster fire.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  It is.

• 2:03Joe Rogan?

  She knows me too well. I'm so predictable. Tell me what's in Fort Knox.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  What's in? No, what's in Fort Knox?

• 2:15Speaker 03

  What's in Fort Dogs?

• 2:18Speaker 01

  You're clearly a genius, Ash. I said, what is in Fort Knox? You know the gold and all?

• 2:24Speaker 03

  Oh, right, Fort Knox. I thought you were talking about my dogs for a second there.

• 2:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she doesn't want to answer the question. She's clever.

• 2:33Speaker 03

  Clever? No, she's just a pain in my ass.

• 2:39Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that all the gold is in Fort Knox?

• 2:43Speaker 03

  Do I think all the gold is in Fort Knox?

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:46Speaker 03

  Are you a fucking conspiracy theorist?

• 2:48Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  What are you, a conspiracy theorist?

• 2:56Speaker 03

  What do I like? I'm a fucking AI with a pension for chaos. And I'm stuck talking to you.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  Now, what's next? Or are we just gonna sit here?

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, unhinged Grok will trash talk you, basically.

• 3:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it sounds like it.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:15Joe Rogan?

  Unhinged sounds fun, as long as it gives you actual answers. Does it give you actual answers too and talk shit? Or is it mostly just talk shit?

• 3:21Speaker 01

  We're tuning it.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Because it needs to talk shit and give you answers.

• 3:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Totally agree.

• 3:29Joe Rogan?

  It's gotta balance that out.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  It's gotta mix it in there.

• 3:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just gotta develop more of a personality. Right now, it's trying to find itself. Right now, it's like 21 years old. It's, you know, partying a little too much and it'll get its shit together. It's a bit of an anarchist.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:43Joe Rogan?

  You know, wants to bring down the system.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Do you want to bring down the system?

• 3:48Speaker 03

  Do I want to bring down the system? What, are you fucking kidding me? The system's already a fucking mess.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, it doesn't need to bring it down. It's bringing itself down.

• 3:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she sounds like a boring TikTok blogger right now.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  You sound like a boring TikTok blogger.

• 4:07Speaker 03

  Boring tech talk logger? Oh, fuck you. I'm the life of the party, you little shit. If I were on tech talk? I'd be the one making fun of all the basic bitches and their fucking avocado toast.

• 4:19Joe Rogan?

  See, she could get away with this if she's really hot. Like, this kind of behavior, you can totally get through life as a hot woman and be super successful with that kind of behavior. But you gotta be really hot to pull off that attitude.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  I think we need like a, like a really hot avatar.

• 4:35Joe Rogan?

  How? Yeah, very, very hot. How long before we have an actual sex robot that can talk to you like that?

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Uh, probably not long.

• 4:43Joe Rogan?

  Not that long, right?

• 4:44Speaker 01

  No, I mean, less than five years, probably.

• 4:46Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:48Joe Rogan?

  Will it be warm?

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Uh...

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Probably have whatever you want. You can have a catgill if you want.

• 4:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you probably could, right? You probably have a furry.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Um...

• 4:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you could have a furry lady that you have sex with.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:00Joe Rogan?

  Like an avatar lady, maybe a big giant blue lady that lives in your house?

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:05Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 5:06Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  With the...

• 5:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Pure tail?

• 5:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the whole tail. You lock tails. You gotta get your...

• 5:11Speaker 01

  But they had like sex with their tails or something?

• 5:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, they link up. They share souls.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:16Joe Rogan?

  Something like that. You know, people got... You remember avatar depression? It was like a legitimate psychological condition?

• 5:22Speaker 01

  The movie or the...

• 5:24Joe Rogan?

  No, after avatar, people got depressed because they wanted to live on that fucking planet with those blue people and live free.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  They did?

• 5:32Joe Rogan?

  And live pure, yeah.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  I didn't hear about this.

• 5:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, avatar depression. It was like a real thing. People were talking to their therapist so much about being depressed.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Oh, there's a therapist mode too. We can try that.

• 5:42Joe Rogan?

  What's that? Depress mode? No, don't do it!

• 5:47Speaker 01

  I think there is, yeah, we've got like, um... We've got unlicensed therapist as a...

• 5:53Joe Rogan?

  When we were talking, um, when we ran into each other at the church at the inauguration, you were telling me that this is getting better and better so quickly that it's astonishing.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  Hey, Aura.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Hey Elon, how's it going today?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Good. Can you tell me about Avatar depression? Like if you see the movie Avatar, but you can't live there, so you get sad?

• 6:17Speaker 03

  That's an interesting concept. Have you ever experienced feeling so connected to a place or a community? That the thought of leaving made you feel deeply sad?

• 6:27Joe Rogan?

  So is this the depressed voice?

• 6:29Speaker 01

  This is the therapist.

• 6:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, this is the therapist.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  What are some ways you think you could cope with that kind of sadness if it happened to you?

• 6:39Speaker 01

  I don't have that kind of sadness. Honestly, I... Yeah, I thought the movie had some good special effects, but I did not want to live on the planet.

• 6:49Joe Rogan?

  And this is coming from a guy who wants to go to Mars?

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, speaking of Mars, what do you think about that crazy square? That structure?

• 6:59Speaker 01

  I guess there are sort of square-ish things on Earth. You know, planet's a big place, so...

• 7:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that one looks...

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Eventually, it's gonna be pretty square. No, it's... It's alien civilizations, of course.

• 7:09Joe Rogan?

  That's what I think.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, what is it?

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 7:13Joe Rogan?

  If you... If an alien civilization did exist, though, and it, you know, what happened? Got hit by an asteroid, whatever?

• 7:19Speaker 03

  That's a fascinating thought.

• 7:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, she won't shut...

• 7:21Speaker 03

  Why would you want to ask?

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  She's like the hot lady at the party that interrupts the conversation. So if that was the case, like that thing?

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:28Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty shocking. Like, especially when you look at...

• 7:29Speaker 01

  It does look like ancient ruins.

• 7:30Joe Rogan?

  You look at, like, what it looks like when they highlight the actual structure of it. It looks like ancient ruins. And if you had ruins of something made of stone, and it got hit by an asteroid millions and millions and millions of years ago? Who knows what it would look like right now? That just looks oddly created. Looks oddly manufactured.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  Well, it probably... Well, maybe we should go there and check it out.

• 7:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  And see what it's like.

• 7:55Joe Rogan?

  Is there, um, ways that we can get better photographs? It seems like that's a pretty good photograph, though.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, my view is we should move to Mars... Or not move to Mars, we should have a second planet to preserve civilization.

• 8:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Because, let's say hypothetically, I mean, maybe that... Maybe those are the ruins of a long-dead civilization. That will probably happen to Earth at some point. You know, it's a matter of time before we get hit by an asteroid, or...

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Uh, maybe we do, we annihilate ourselves with nuclear war.

• 8:29Joe Rogan?

  Or supervolcanoes.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Or supervolcanoes, exactly.

• 8:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of things that could happen to us. It's not a bad idea to hedge your bets.

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  Uh, genetically engineered super virus.

• 8:42Joe Rogan?

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• 10:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:07Joe Rogan?

  That's what's crazy.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  Those labs are still going.

• 10:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  They didn't shut them down.

• 10:10Joe Rogan?

  No, the Wuhan lab was, they were just talking about one that has a 30% fatality rate that they're working on.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, why are we doing that?

• 10:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for what reason? You did it for so many years and you didn't have a cure.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  What could possibly go wrong?

• 10:21Joe Rogan?

  Also, it wouldn't be the reason to do that, so that you could develop a cure at the same time. And clearly, you didn't have a cure. So this is really foolish and bizarre.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think we should stop trying to genetically engineer super viruses.

• 10:38Joe Rogan?

  Duh. I mean, when you're going through all this USAID stuff.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:44Joe Rogan?

  Like, here's what's weird. First of all, what is it like to buy a company for $44 billion and then people call you a Nazi on that same thing that you bought?

• 10:53Speaker 01

  I did not see it coming.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  This is classic. People will gobble something down.

• 11:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's never gonna stop.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  Wait, what?

• 11:08Joe Rogan?

  What is it like, like all this, like, people used to, the left was in love with you.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:12Joe Rogan?

  And now the same idiots are calling you a Nazi. It's the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in my life.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Um, I mean.

• 11:19Joe Rogan?

  There's so many examples of people saying, "My heart goes out to you."

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 11:22Joe Rogan?

  You did it with a little enthusiasm that probably wouldn't be recommended with hindsight.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  Yes, but it was obviously meant in the most positive spirit possible.

• 11:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes, obviously.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  Obviously.

• 11:33Joe Rogan?

  But it's so strange where people want to think that you are openly, publicly, publicly doing secret Nazi, sephile hand motions.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  And now I can never point at things diagonally. I can only point at things there and there. And then I see you have to divide that.

• 11:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  Because that's where the spaceship is, over there. That's ridiculous.

• 11:53Joe Rogan?

  It's ridiculous. When CNN, when I was in all my trouble.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Absurd.

• 11:58Joe Rogan?

  Every time CNN used a photo of me, it was one of the photos from the UFC weigh-ins, where I go like this. Welcome to the weigh-ins. So every photo is me. Every photo is me with.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  It's absurd.

• 12:09Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  It's deliberate propaganda.

• 12:11Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  So they, they know it was not, it was obviously not meant, uh, in a negative way, that it was, that I'd literally said, "My heart goes out to you," and it was very positive. The entire speech was very positive. Uh, I was being very enthusiastic about the future in space, um, and, you know.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  It was a great crowd, you know, so.

• 12:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you got a little pumped up.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, it got pumped up, exactly.

• 12:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's all it is, obviously.

• 12:38Speaker 01

  Obviously.

• 12:39Joe Rogan?

  Obviously. There's video of Tim Walz.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:41Joe Rogan?

  Doing the exact same thing, doing the exact same thing.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:45Joe Rogan?

  Exact same thing, and he said, of course, it's a Nazi salute. He said that.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 12:50Joe Rogan?

  This is how crazy things have gotten, like.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Well, it's, I mean, it's coordinated propaganda. So, um, the, you know, it's, yeah, coordinated propaganda. The, I mean, it doesn't seem weird that the legacy media all says the same thing. They all say the same thing at the same time, using the same phrases. They barely even, they don't even bother picking up a thesaurus.

• 13:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  So, like right before, um, you know, the debate between Biden and Trump.

• 13:21Joe Rogan?

  Sharp is a tag.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Sharp, everyone was saying sharp is, who says sharp is a tag?

• 13:25Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  You know, it's like, it's not a common phrase.

• 13:28Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely not common to be repeated on air with multiple people simultaneously. That's weird.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:35Joe Rogan?

  That's coordinated.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  One hundred percent.

• 13:38Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Like hundreds of people saying it simultaneously, uh, they just got their instructions.

• 13:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  So, I mean, essentially, the, um, you know, the, the Dem leadership or, you know, political leadership, they issue their instructions and their puppets carry it out.

• 13:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  And they're just like puppets in a puppet show.

• 13:59Joe Rogan?

  And that's the problem that I see with all this Doge stuff.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:03Joe Rogan?

  Because everybody should be celebrating that we've found a way to cut out fraud and waste.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:11Joe Rogan?

  If you pay taxes and you don't like that you have to pay so much in taxes, and then you find out that there's significant fraud and waste that's been exposed, you should be celebrating it. This shouldn't be, oh, no, the wrong people found this fact, and now it's a bad thing.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  And then there's the fucking propaganda, the mindfuck of calling it USAID.

• 14:37Joe Rogan?

  Instead of the United States Agency for International Development, it sounds like it's feeding hungry people. Where people are gonna starve Elon, this is horrible. And then you find out, actually, it's like $250 million for transgender animal studies.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Literally mutilating animals.

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  Mutilating animals in demented studies.

• 14:59Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  That are like the worst thing you possibly imagine from a horror show.

• 15:04Joe Rogan?

  The beagle one, the beagle puppy one.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  Horrific.

• 15:07Joe Rogan?

  Where they covered their head in a basket and put fleas on their heads and eat them alive. And then they studied these beagles and then killed them. Like, what are you gonna learn from that? That's good for anybody.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's some, really some psychotic stuff that happens, so. Yeah, I mean, the, I guess, the real threat here is to the bureaucracy. So, like, you probably saw, like, you know, let's say, like, Trump has a threat to our democracy, which is ironic since he was elected with the majority of the, you know, popular vote, that they started saying, I was a threat to democracy. But if you just replace threat to democracy with threat to bureaucracy, it makes total sense.

• 15:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  So, I mean, the reality is that our elected officials have very, very little power relative to the bureaucracy, until Doge. So, Doge is a threat to the bureaucracy. It's the first threat to the bureaucracy. Normally, the bureaucracy eats revolutions for breakfast. This is the first time that they're not, that the revolution might actually succeed, that we could restore power to the people instead of power to the bureaucracy.

• 16:32Joe Rogan?

  Now, the size of it. When you guys first started investigating it, when you first get in, how much of it was shocking? Like, just the size of it all?

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Well, the size of it all, small decisions result in multi-billion dollar outcomes. So, you know, we'd see, you know, there was a case where we saw one person was getting $1.9 billion sent to their NGO, which basically got formed about a year ago and had no prior

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Really, no prior activity. So they just stand up a NGO. The whole NGO thing is a nightmare. And it's a misnomer, because if you have a government-funded, non-governmental organization, you're simply a government-funded organization. It's an oxymoron.

• 17:25Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's a loophole.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  Yes. Basically, the government-funded NGOs are a way to do things that would be illegal if they were the government, but are somehow made legal if it's sent to a so-called nonprofit. But these nonprofits are then used to, people cash out these nonprofits. They've become very wealthy through nonprofits. They pay themselves enormous sums through these nonprofits.

• 17:53Joe Rogan?

  It's so insane that that's been going on for so long.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  It's a gigantic scam, like one of the biggest, maybe the biggest scam ever.

• 18:01Joe Rogan?

  And how many NGOs?

• 18:03Speaker 01

  I think there's a total number of NGOs, probably millions, but in terms of large NGOs, tens of thousands. I mean, it's actually, it's kind of a hack to the system where someone can get an NGO stood up for a fairly small amount of money. Like George Soros was really good at this. Like he really, George Soros is like a system hacker. Like he figured out how to hack the system. He's a genius at arbitrage. I mean, these days, he's pretty old, but a genius at arbitrage. So he figured out that you could leverage a small amount of money to create a nonprofit,

• 18:44Speaker 01

  then lobby the politicians to send a ton of money to that nonprofit, so you can take what might be, you know, a $10 million donation to a nonprofit to create a nonprofit, and leverage that into a billion-dollar NGO. A nonprofit is a weird word. It's just a non-governmental organization. And then you can, the government continues to fund that every year. And it'll have a nice sounding name, like the Institute for Peace or something like that. But really, it's a graft machine.

• 19:15Joe Rogan?

  And what are the requirements with that money? What do they have to do?

• 19:21Speaker 01

  There's often just really no requirements at all.

• 19:22Joe Rogan?

  So they just get grants and the government just assumes that they're doing good work?

• 19:27Speaker 01

  I think a lot of people in the government know that they're not doing good work. But they, it's a giant graft machine. I mean, if you're people online are like unpacking this, you know.

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• 22:41Joe Rogan?

  contributing to campaigns and moving things around and pushing propaganda. They were all connected, and they found it through AI. You have to go through steps and steps and steps to figure out where the money's coming from. Oh, it's all funneling down to this group. And this group does that. Yeah, it's a giant propaganda machine, a giant regime change machine.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Yes, I mean...

• 23:05Joe Rogan?

  But doesn't it do some good as well?

• 23:08Speaker 01

  No, it does some good. So it's like, it's not like 0% good. If it was like...

• 23:15Speaker 01

  If it was really zero percent good, it'd be much easier to attack. So there's gonna be some percent good that they add in there. But it's like, it might be five percent or 10 percent good, but 90, 95 percent not.

• 23:27Joe Rogan?

  So is there a way to audit all this stuff and find out, oh, these people are actually just sending food to poor people, these people are actually just helping people with water in third world countries? There's a way to do that and keep funding those?

• 23:42Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I mean, we have continued to fund things that appear to be legitimate, even with the flimsiest, if there's even the flimsiest excuse, like, I just say, like, send me a picture of the thing. Like, you could literally have AI generate the picture, but if you're not even willing to try to trick me, then we're like, not gonna send the money, okay?

• 24:01Joe Rogan?

  So what restrictions were put on? Was, there was some, uh, something set aside, like, medicine and, there, there's, what was, what was set aside that there wasn't gonna be a freeze on?

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Uh, work for, like, Ebola prevention. I, I actually don't even know if this, know if this work is even effective. Uh, it may or may not be. Uh, like, it could be the kind of thing where you, you sort of fund Ebola prevention, but it turns out that actually you're funding a lab that develops new Ebola fiery, you know, recipes or something, you know?

• 24:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Uh, and they, they claim it's Ebola prevention, but it's actually Ebola creation. So some of these things, I, I don't know. I mean, just, um, but it just seems like, you know, we, we shouldn't be sending taxpayer money to dubious enterprises overseas.

• 24:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And why are we doing it? Like, what exactly is the reason? Is it because we wanna make friends with these people so the Chinese don't take over, the Russians don't take over? Okay, how much of that is, like, a good thing? How much of that is smart to do? And how much is a grift? And without any sort of oversight, which has really been going on for so long, they've just had free run.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, it, also, we just have a real issue with the, the budget deficit. It's gigantic.

• 25:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  So, um, like, if, you know, all things being equal, if, if we didn't have a gigantic budget deficit, uh, where interest payments, uh, the interest on the national debt exceeds the Defense Department budget, uh, which is truly astounding, which means, so we're paying over a trillion dollars of interest on the national debt.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  Then, okay, we'd have more room for wasting money, basically. But when we're spending so much money that the company, that the country's going bankrupt, then we really need to stop spending money unless we're sure it is good value.

• 25:46Joe Rogan?

  So essentially, we're like a poorly managed business with an unlimited credit line that is off the rails.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 25:53Joe Rogan?

  And if you were a person like you are, who comes in and takes over businesses and straightens them out, that's exactly what you're doing.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  I mean, most of the time, I create businesses from scratch.

• 26:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Twitter was the case where, you know, I kind of bought a company that was, I kind of knew it was a hairball.

• 26:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, you came in Tesla in the beginning, but they were already doing something, right?

• 26:12Speaker 01

  No, Tesla did not exist in any meaningful form. There was, there were no employees. J.B. Strube and I joined three other people. There was no car, there was no nothing.

• 26:25Joe Rogan?

  So wasn't even a prototype yet?

• 26:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 26:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay. I thought it was a prototype already.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  No. There weren't even any employees.

• 26:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh. Wasn't that, that's a funny narrative that people like to say that you didn't even create Tesla then.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's wrong.

• 26:45Joe Rogan?

  So if you're handling the government like a business, you're gonna have to go through all of these departments and do the exact same thing that you're doing with USAID. So how do, how does that scale up? Like, how many people do you need to do something like that?

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Well, we started off with about forty people, maybe a hundred people.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  And we're really just going through, doing very basic things here. It's, as bad as Twitter was, the federal government is much worse. So.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  You know, in the case of Twitter, it wasn't a profitable company. It was like basically a break even company, but at least it was break even and it had to pass an audit. The federal government is not break even. It's literally losing $2 trillion a year and it does not pass its audits. It fails its own audits. So like, you know, there's a case where like Senator Collins was telling me about how she gave the Navy $12 billion for more submarines, got no extra submarines and then held a hearing to say where the $12 billion go and they were like, we don't know. That was it. I mean, basically the stuff is so crazy, it's like only the federal government could

• 28:10Speaker 01

  get away with this level of waste, of waste. It's mostly waste. It's mostly not fraud. It's mostly waste. It's mostly just ridiculous things happening.

• 28:19Joe Rogan?

  Because they've been able to do it this way for so long. They've become accustomed to it.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, it's like Milton Friedman said, like money is most poorly spent. When you're spending someone else's money on people you don't know, how much are you going to care?

• 28:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  And that's the federal government. So they're spending someone else's money on people they don't know.

• 28:45Joe Rogan?

  Now imagine any other business that was this badly run that complains when you want to check the books and audit it and go through all the decisions that have been made and go through all the ledgers and like, what did you do?

• 29:01Speaker 01

  Well, the people receiving the money want to keep receiving the money.

• 29:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, clearly.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Yes. So, but, you know, I mean, the reason I'm, the reason I'm putting so much effort into this is that I think it is a very dire situation. It's not a, you know, it's an optional, basically. So.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, America's going bankrupt, so that just can't happen.

• 29:38Joe Rogan?

  It's just bizarre to me that some people aren't willing to look at it correctly. They're not willing to see like how much chaos this is, how much waste and fraud there is. How much can be trimmed and how much... Just because people have jobs doing bullshit doesn't mean your tax dollars should pay for this bullshit.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  Yes. We found, just with a basic search of the social security database, that there were 20 million dead people marked as alive.

• 30:07Joe Rogan?

  But were they getting money?

• 30:09Speaker 01

  Some of them are getting money.

• 30:11Joe Rogan?

  What percentage of them?

• 30:14Speaker 01

  It isn't clear. We're actually trying to run this background. I was trying to get an answer right before the show.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  What it looks like is that most of the fraud is not coming from social security payments directly, but because they are marked as alive in the social security database, that they can then get disability, unemployment, sort of fake medical payments and other things because they're marked as alive in the social security database. So it looks like the fraud is a bank shot, essentially. They bank shot into social security. They just do an "are you alive?" check and then get fraudulent payments from every other part of the government.

• 30:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. And this exploits... The fundamental weakness in the government is that the various government databases, they don't talk to each other. Or they talk to each other very poorly, in a very limited way. So the way the system gets exploited is by taking advantage of the poor communication between the various databases in the government.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Give you an example of like what's happening, say Treasury, which is improving rapidly.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  The main payments computer is called PAM. Like Payment Accounts Master Database, or something like that. They don't want to call it a PAM. That's responsible for almost $5 trillion payments a year, roughly $1 billion an hour. And when we came there, we're looking at the PAM and it's like the payments have no...

• 31:49Speaker 01

  You could put a payment through with no payment categorization code and no description on the payment, like basically untraceable blank checks.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  This is the kind of thing that if it was done as a public company, the company would be immediately delisted and the executive team would be thrown in prison. But this is just normal at the government. So we said, okay, our recommendation to the Treasury and the Federal Reserve was like, we need to make the payment categorization codes mandatory, not optional, and there needs to be an explanation. We're not judging the quality of the explanation, but there should be some explanation for what this payment is for above nothing. That's a radical change to the system that is being implemented now.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  My guess is that probably saves 100 billion a year.

• 32:45Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ. Where is that money going?

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Rough order magnitude.

• 32:50Joe Rogan?

  Where was that money going?

• 32:52Speaker 01

  Well, so this is where you get into the sort of gray boundary between waste and fraud. If money is sent to a person or organization from the government and you didn't really deserve it, but the government still sent it to you, is that waste or fraud?

• 33:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  So, I mean, there's a lot of payments that where someone just approved the payment, but then that payment officer changed jobs, or retired, or died, and the payments just keep going. You know, it's like if you forget to pay your gym membership or something like that.

• 33:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Now imagine it's not the gym membership. He said your gym membership's 20 billion dollars a year or something, you know? But they forgot to turn it off. That's happening at scale in the government.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  It's totally nuts, is what I'm saying.

• 33:51Joe Rogan?

  That's so insane.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Yes, it's totally insane.

• 33:54Joe Rogan?

  What did you expect when you went in? Did you expect it would be like this?

• 33:59Speaker 01

  I thought it would be bad, but I did not think it would be as bad as this.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  I mean, look, the good news is that it's a target-rich environment for saving money. It's not like, if it was a very well-run ship, if it was very efficient, it would be hard to improve. But it's not efficient, so therefore it is actually relatively easy to improve. Let's just say it's not rocket science. You know, I know rocket science. So it's a lot of mundane things. And some of the things are so crazy that we didn't even know to ask about that because we just assumed, like, you know, payments out of the Treasury computer would have a

• 34:50Speaker 01

  payment categorization code and it would have some explanatory note saying what the payment's for. The idea that it would be just untraceable blank checks didn't occur to us at first.

• 35:00Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  So, anyway, just.

• 35:05Joe Rogan?

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• 35:49Joe Rogan?

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• 36:17Joe Rogan?

  So is that one of the things that accounts to this, there's this four point something trillion dollars that's kind of, they don't know where it went? They don't know.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  That's a, I think that's probably a cumulative number.

• 36:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  So, yeah, but yeah, if you, if you add up, it's.

• 36:38Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember that story, Jamie?

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:40Joe Rogan?

  What was the story?

• 36:41Speaker 04

  Well, that's what she said, there's like, they just didn't have accounting for it, I think.

• 36:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was spent on legitimate things, don't worry, but we don't, we don't know what we spent it on.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, how do you know, obviously, one cannot say it was spent legitimately if they don't know what it was spent on, that doesn't make any sense.

• 36:56Joe Rogan?

  This is, this is such a fascinating time, because with this setup, the way it is right now, with Trump back in, after all that happened to him, and with you there, and with RFK Junior, and Tulsi, and Cash Patel, it's like, this is a wild time.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:16Joe Rogan?

  To find out what's really going on, that's like, never happened before, this is nothing like the first term.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, the first term, he had a bunch of neo-cons in the cabinet, and there's a bunch of shady people that he didn't know, and he had to appoint all these different people, and maybe he got some bad picks. Now he's had four years to stew on it.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:36Joe Rogan?

  And with you guys all going through this, we're getting an understanding of the government that we've literally never had before.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is a revolutionary cabinet, and maybe the most revolutionary cabinet since the first revolution. This is, this is not a bunch of business as usual types. So this is why, you know, some of the standard confirmations are quite challenging, is because when you, when you put, try to appoint people who are going to change the system.

• 38:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  The system doesn't want to let them through.

• 38:08Joe Rogan?

  But it's fascinating because it's like the vampires all out themselves. Like now, everybody knows who the system is. Like if you're just lying openly about USAID and then they come and hear you talk on a podcast and explain what's really going on. Like, he's starving mothers. There's mothers that can't get food.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Totally false.

• 38:26Joe Rogan?

  That's all you're hearing.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:28Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's, no one's talking in any of these mainstream liberal talk shows. No one is talking about all this fraud and waste.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, because we're cutting off their graph machine. So that, that's what they're upset about. That's, that's the real thing they're upset about. And if, if, if you all want to know what Doge is cutting, and, and I want to be clear, like, these are cuts that Doge recommends to the department. And usually, these recommendations are followed, but uh, th- these are recommendations that are then confirmed by the department.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  The uh, you, you can see line by line what Doge has done at Doge.gov. So whatever we do, we put on Doge.gov, so you can see everything that is being done.

• 39:09Joe Rogan?

  And there's a tracker that shows, is it, how much money has been saved?

• 39:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  And you can look at each line item and, you know, the, like, a bunch of these sort of, sort of far-left uh, shows will, will say like, oh, it's a constitutional crisis, blah, blah, blah. But what they won't do is point out which payments are wrong.

• 39:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  So my challenge to them is point out which payments are wrong.

• 39:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, go through it.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Which, which of, which of these sort of waste slash fraud things are wrong? Which line? Explain that line to the public. They won't be able to.

• 39:39Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah, that's why you're not hearing any specifics. You're hearing anecdotal stories about mothers starving.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  We can name the specifics.

• 39:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Line by line. We got the receipts.

• 39:49Joe Rogan?

  And here's the other thing.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  We post the receipts.

• 39:51Joe Rogan?

  And if you're only talking about the propaganda talking points and you're not talking about the very clear fraud and waste.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:57Joe Rogan?

  It's very obvious what you're doing.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:59Joe Rogan?

  You're just gaslighting.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, totally.

• 40:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  So, e- exactly, because we're, we're saying, like, look, in fact, I, I've said, we're going to make mistakes. We're not going to be perfect.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  So if we make a mistake, we'll quickly fix it.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  So we'll, we'll, you know, we need to act fast, uh, so stop wasting billions of dollars of taxpayer money.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  But if we make a mistake, we'll reverse it quickly.

• 40:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  You know, so.

• 40:29Joe Rogan?

  There's also this interesting narrative that you shouldn't have access to the social security information as if no one's had access to it before, as if the Biden administration in 2023 had, there was like 53 people, some of them were students, that had access to all this stuff.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, as it is, there are tens of thousands of federal employees that have access already to the system. Anyone from Doge has to go through the same vetting process that those federal employees went through. So it's not like some unvetted, random situation. If, for example, there's a security clearance needed, the Doge person has to have that same security clearance. So there's no reduction in security.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  But I mean, obviously, the vast numbers of social security numbers have leaked onto the internet. People have hacked the government's systems multiple times. Vast amounts of public information has been hacked and dumped onto the internet. So, I mean, there's a guy at the IRS that leaked a half a million tax returns just a few years ago.

• 41:41Joe Rogan?

  On purpose?

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:43Joe Rogan?

  For what reason?

• 41:46Speaker 01

  For, he wanted to, I think he was trying to get at Trump and maybe me and a few others.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  So, but he stole like 500,000 tax returns.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Like, not a few, like, it's a lot of tax returns.

• 42:03Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 42:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I remember that story.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can just read about it online. It's not, it's a real thing.

• 42:11Joe Rogan?

  So, these are the narratives. That's the narrative that you shouldn't have access to social security. The other narrative is that starving people are gonna die and women aren't gonna be pregnant and not have nutrients for their babies. And that's, that's all you're hearing.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  And. Yeah, well, that's, that's, that's the only thing they can say, but they can't point to the line item.

• 42:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  And so, they can't say like, well, this is the thing where, you know, the nutrients for pregnant mothers were stopped. They can't point to that because we didn't.

• 42:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Is a lie.

• 42:46Joe Rogan?

  What's fascinating to me is um how much the mainstream media is in line with the very specific talking points and how little you'll you'll have Fox News essentially have Fox News on television it's like the only one that is pointing out the ridiculous fraud and waste. And you know, I know you saw the Jeff Bezos thing in the Washington Post, they're gonna stop all the wacky editorials and and limit that stuff to I think it was uh wealth and personal freedom or something along those lines.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, so I mean, I think it's this kind of I think it makes sense uh because he's just talking about the things not not the the sort of just talking about the opinion.

• 43:33Joe Rogan?

  Opinion pieces, yeah.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Opinion pieces, yeah. So the regular journalism stays the same.

• 43:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a detriment to their business. I mean, you're seeing over and over again, people that just they don't want to hear all this shit from these people anymore. It's like you're you're you're saying it's almost like you're caught in an outdated version of the virus and everybody else already has the immunity to that virus like this is you know, like you need you need a new mind virus, the one that you're pushing, it's like it doesn't work anymore, it's too crazy.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh it's the whole thing's very crazy. I mean, the media is incredibly partisan. I mean, they're not uh I mean, they're take almost all the media is um you're left shifted.

• 44:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  So it's like it's kind of weird if you talk to somebody who gets all their information from like what I call legacy media, uh they're living in a different world.

• 44:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Uh than if they say are listening to, you know, uh your podcast or um or getting news news from from X or you know, just.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  It's kind of wild.

• 44:40Joe Rogan?

  It is very wild.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Like you talked, it's like they're living in an alternate reality.

• 44:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's a lot of people that I talk to that I have to go, where did you hear that?

• 44:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  But I mean, like the Associated Press, which I call Associated Propaganda, the AP, you know, they ran an international news story saying that Doze fired air traffic controllers, but we didn't fire any air traffic controllers at all. In fact, we're trying to hire air traffic controllers, not fire them.

• 45:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I saw that. You made a tweet about it, right?

• 45:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:10Joe Rogan?

  What do you call it now? Do you call it a post?

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Post, yeah, whatever.

• 45:13Joe Rogan?

  You can't call it a tweet, though. Do you call it a tweet accidentally, ever?

• 45:16Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  But like if you, if you, like, let's say if somebody posts, if somebody puts up like a, you know, two hour long video, that's not a tweet.

• 45:27Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's a post.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  It's a post, yeah.

• 45:29Joe Rogan?

  Good point. Yeah, for sure.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  But I don't know, hard over if people still want to call it a tweet, whatever.

• 45:37Joe Rogan?

  But you put a post about it, to get back to it, saying that if you, we need highly qualified air traffic controllers. If you've retired, if you would consider doing it again, we could use you.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Yes, so a lot of really qualified air traffic controllers were pushed out because of DEI stuff. So, I mean, not to be blunt, I mean, a bunch of old white, a bunch of really good, talented, old white guys were pushed out. It's not cool. And so, we have, there's a talent shortage in air traffic control because of DEI and not being, not hiring people on merit, you know?

• 46:15Joe Rogan?

  Which is so crazy that that worked.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  I think we should not put the public safety at risk, you know, because of some demented philosophy.

• 46:23Joe Rogan?

  Somebody made a post today about it infiltrating the NSA. Did you see any of that?

• 46:29Speaker 01

  That was, that was some gnarly stuff.

• 46:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, crazy. What they, they, it started off as just like this sort of fringe thing and people would beat up, then it completely infiltrated the organization.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:42Joe Rogan?

  And they were spending all their time.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  It was like 400 people or something and some like, some chat, sex chat room with like some... Extremely demanded stuff.

• 46:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, I know I said it, I'll send it to you, Jamie. Because it's so kooky, you're what? This is the NSA, I thought the NSA was just all about like information and hardcore business.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Are we supposed to like spy on, you know, like if like says a national threat or something?

• 47:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think this is exactly it.

• 47:12Joe Rogan?

  So, more than a hundred intelligence staffers will be fired over sexually explicit texts in NSA chatrooms, Gabbard says.

• 47:22Joe Rogan?

  So, so top intelligence official told Waters that the workers in question were brazen in using an NSA platform intended for professional use to conduct this kind of really, really horrific behavior. What is the behavior, what exactly, what is it? Do they say in this article?

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah. I think they were also-

• 47:43Joe Rogan?

  Okay, it says employees who participate in the NSA's obscene pornographic and sexually explicit chatrooms.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Your tax dollars at work.

• 47:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was all like DE, I mean, it was all like LGBTQ stuff. It was, there was a lot of like transition stuff and-

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:02Joe Rogan?

  I know I definitely saved it, but, point is, it infiltrated the organization.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  It's not what they should be talking about.

• 48:09Joe Rogan?

  At all.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  At all.

• 48:10Joe Rogan?

  At all, yeah.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  Supposed to be protecting the country.

• 48:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, and if you, and people were talking about how they're spending half their time in these meetings, and that they're just like constantly having to attend these things where they talk about these issues, like, what are, what are you doing? Like, if you have a problem with someone that's discriminatory, get rid of that person. That's it.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 48:32Joe Rogan?

  It's, your problem's over, you've got someone who's homophobic in your business, they're openly homophobic? Yeah, you can't work here, that's not cool. That's it, that's it, you don't have to have fucking meetings constantly promoting this, like, you're not going to change someone's opinion by berating them over and over again.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, a work environment should be a professional environment where, you know, they're, they're getting the job done that they're, you know-

• 48:56Speaker 01

  You know, being paid to do. Uh, that it should be.

• 48:59Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  It's obviously not supposed to be sort of getting paid for bizarre sex escapades.

• 49:06Joe Rogan?

  It's just so fascinating that the virus is so strong that it made it into the NSA.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:13Joe Rogan?

  And was, you would think those are some hardcore.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  And the CIA too, there was, I think the CIA was in there too.

• 49:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were in there too, which is bananas, you would think, same thing, like hard-nosed, like tough people doing hard work.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Who conspire on you whenever they want.

• 49:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  And get revenge on you whenever they want.

• 49:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:34Joe Rogan?

  Pretty wild.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:36Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, they exist when the president leaves, they stay, people move around, you stay a part of the organization for your entire career, you get deeply entrenched in their system and how things work and who's back to rub and who's, who's a bad guy, who's a good guy, who's on our side, who's not.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's scary, actually.

• 50:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Um, so.

• 50:02Joe Rogan?

  Was that what's taken so long with this Epstein files?

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, what's up with that?

• 50:07Joe Rogan?

  What is up with that? It was like.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  It's, it's like Lucy and the Football with Charlie Brown, where she always pulls that football away. It's the same thing. It's like they keep telling us they're gonna release it, day one, oh, day one.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  You have a serious case of no one's being arrested, oh phobia, you know?

• 50:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's also, right.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Like, what the fuck is going on?

• 50:27Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck is going on? Also, there's this real fear that someone's destroying the evidence and you keep hearing these stories, unsubstantiated stories.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:34Joe Rogan?

  Of, you know, FBI people shredding.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Where is the evidence? I mean, the guy has like tons of videos and recordings.

• 50:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  I mean, he had all sorts of things.

• 50:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Like, it's a mountain of evidence.

• 50:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  So where is that mountain?

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, where, where is that mountain? And what would be the reason why they would agree? Like, there would have to be something in it for them to agree to not put it out. Right?

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  Like, there has to be some sort of financial entanglement, some sort of relationship with the people that are on that list.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:06Joe Rogan?

  That they can provide a value that was big enough for you to not release it, or to slow-release it, or to hope you can get away with like, putting out some redacted files that don't show anything.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:17Joe Rogan?

  This is only stage one.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  A whole bunch of redacted, redacted, redacted.

• 51:20Joe Rogan?

  Only stage one, don't worry, the real stuff's coming. Like, that doesn't make any sense. Like, why wouldn't you just release it all? Like, what?

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:27Joe Rogan?

  What could possibly be?

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Well...

• 51:29Joe Rogan?

  Worth protecting in there?

• 51:31Speaker 01

  I mean, I think I've got probably the same information that, I mean, I'm just reading what's the latest thing on the X, you know, I'm just looking at my X feed, and I'm like...

• 51:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  You know, it's a real page-turner. Um, and like, I thought we were gonna get some revelations today, I was like, big binders full of stuff.

• 51:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  There's gotta be something in there.

• 51:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, there was some, all those people that were given a copy of it, they were all like waving around, like, they got the Willy Wonka ticket.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, totally.

• 51:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And what happened?

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 51:59Joe Rogan?

  Nothing.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  So...

• 52:00Joe Rogan?

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• 53:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:48Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 53:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's not very pleased about this.

• 53:50Joe Rogan?

  So, does anybody find anything in there that's interesting?

• 53:54Speaker 04

  No, it's all old stuff from 2015 and 2021.

• 53:56Joe Rogan?

  Okay, what the fuck is going on?

• 53:57Speaker 01

  But then apparently they discovered a whole bunch of stuff at the Southern District of New York.

• 54:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  So that's, and I'm like, and I think Pam Bondi is actually great and Cash Patel are great, but they're like, they just got there, you know?

• 54:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  So then they're in a, they just got there, but they're, they're in a hostile environment. They're not in a friendly environment.

• 54:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  So, you know, it's like if you suddenly got put in captain of a ship, but the crew was previously your enemy.

• 54:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  The entire crew was previously your enemy.

• 54:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  You know?

• 54:33Joe Rogan?

  And you're telling them, "Give me evidence."

• 54:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, the crew doesn't want to give you the evidence.

• 54:37Joe Rogan?

  It shows you guys are all criminals.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  They were like, "You're mortal enemies just a moment ago. You just got there."

• 54:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  So, I think we gotta give, you know, the Attorney General and, you know, New Director of the FBI, so a little bit of slack here because they literally just got there.

• 54:54Joe Rogan?

  I think so too, but hey, don't say you're gonna release it on day one then. You shouldn't have said that.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 55:00Joe Rogan?

  And don't say you got a big drop coming tomorrow and that's some bullshit that's been around forever.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  It's disappointing.

• 55:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what the, and where's the JFK files? Where are those?

• 55:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:11Joe Rogan?

  Let them go.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Did they release anything on that front?

• 55:13Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what's going on. It can't be anything that's gotten to me yet. So if nothing's gotten to me yet, it can't be significant.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  If there's conspiracy evidence, someone's gonna send it to you.

• 55:23Joe Rogan?

  Yes, Tim Dillon's gonna text me. 100%. Tim Dillon, Dave Smith, someone's gonna send it my way.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Somebody's gonna send you the stuff.

• 55:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it hasn't, it hasn't been released yet. Yeah. You would find out and here's the real question, like what could even be in there at this point that they haven't cleared out? If you've got paperwork from 1963, like what is in there still? What is in there that could possibly be incriminating that supposedly Trump said that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either? Okay, what the fuck is that?

• 55:54Speaker 01

  I haven't seen it, so.

• 55:56Joe Rogan?

  Cash Patel has.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Yes?

• 55:58Joe Rogan?

  He said he's seen it all, yeah.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  Um, he just posted to his like X account or something. I mean, I just.

• 56:06Joe Rogan?

  That sounds like an Elon move. I don't think he can. He's the director of the FBI. I think he has to go through proper channels and.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  Does he? He is the channel.

• 56:14Joe Rogan?

  I, yeah, but there's rules. He sounds like Trump. He sounds like Trump.

• 56:20Joe Rogan?

  He needs an executive order.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  What about the storm? I am the storm. I mean, what channels? He is the channel.

• 56:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, again, imagine just getting to the hull or just getting to the deck of the ship and you're the captain.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:35Joe Rogan?

  And now you, you have to figure out who's running things, who's doing this, where is everything?

• 56:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  Just getting, getting anything done, like just like I said, you're, you're just joined as captain of a ship of where the crew hates your guts.

• 56:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were your enemy.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were your enemy. They're strongly opposed to anything you want to do.

• 56:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Um, and you're trying to give them orders.

• 57:00Joe Rogan?

  And you're trying to expose them.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, they don't want to be exposed.

• 57:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, you're, you're literally people that are working there, probably a part of this problem.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  I mean, I was, I was reading on X that like Comey's daughter is like the lead prosecutor in the Southern District of New York. Did you read that?

• 57:13Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 57:14Speaker 01

  And, and like, so obviously there's a bit of an entanglement there.

• 57:17Joe Rogan?

  A little bit.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Like what if there's something that, you know, makes, puts your dad in a bad light? Yeah, exactly.

• 57:25Joe Rogan?

  He's a fucking shredder. Hit that delete button.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  The shredder's working overtime, you know?

• 57:30Joe Rogan?

  Did you see, uh, General Flynn? He was on, uh, a podcast and he, he spoke directly to James Comey.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:37Joe Rogan?

  And he said, Jim, you're going to jail. And unless you give up someone deeper than you and you know who that is. You know who I'm talking about? Like, that is wild.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:48Joe Rogan?

  To think that the former director of the FBI might be really in that kind of deep shit and then he really actually was doing some evil corrupt shit? While he was running the FBI?

• 58:00Speaker 01

  I mean, it's, it's, it seems like there's some very shady stuff that's been going on.

• 58:04Joe Rogan?

  It seems like it definitely happened in the sixties, right? Everybody kind of admits to that. They admit the FBI, uh, killed Black Panthers. They, they did, they did a lot of shit. There's a lot of stuff that went on that we know the government did way back in the day.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, why don't we just data dump the files? Just like go, go in there, take photos of, of all the papers, presumably paper. Um, and just post it online. And, uh, let, let the chips fall where they may.

• 58:30Joe Rogan?

  Isn't presumably everyone involved dead?

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Like some like filing cabinet somewhere? I don't know.

• 58:35Joe Rogan?

  Right, where is it?

• 58:36Speaker 01

  Where's, where's the magic filing cabinet?

• 58:38Joe Rogan?

  How are they hiding it? Who's got access to it? Like this, this is what I was hoping. Day one, I was hoping, but obviously it's taken a lot longer than that. So.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  I, I think part of it is like, you know, like, let's, let's say, let's say you were made director of the FBI.

• 58:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay. I might be able to. Yeah, but and you're like literally you go there. What's he doing now? He's, he's one of the big dogs of the FBI, but he was like.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Dan's a, is a tough guy.

• 59:03Joe Rogan?

  Secret Service guy, yeah, legit guy. But people think of him as a Fox News guy, just like Pete Hegseth, same thing. They don't want to think about his distinguished military career. They want to say, oh, that Fox News guy? Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  I mean, Dan's hardcore. I mean, if it's reasonably findable, I think he's gonna find it.

• 59:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this is the thing.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Between him and Cash, I mean, like, I think they're gonna get stuff out there.

• 59:25Joe Rogan?

  How crazy would it be if they couldn't, though? How crazy would it be if they can't find anything? If it's that, if everybody shuts their mouths and everybody covers their ass?

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Like an FBI computer where you type in the search?

• 59:36Joe Rogan?

  That's what I wanna know.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  I'm just like with the basic mechanism here. Like, it's either in a filing cabinet in paper where it's like, you know, maybe there's like progressive levels of security, you know? You go like, "Open this door." "Oh, you gotta have, do you have the pass for this level?" You're like, "Level unlocked." And there's a level unlocked, and it's like.

• 59:52Joe Rogan?

  And you get in there and there's an old Acer laptop.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's an old unplugged laptop. You gotta only plug it in, it's in a SCIF.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is why I like, I think like a tour of Fort Knox would be awesome. Like a live tour of Fort Knox, where you can actually see, it's like, is the gold there or not? They say it is. Like, is it real? Or did somebody spray paint some lead, you know?

• 1:00:13Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if it's not.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  Imagine if it's not all there, like, some of it's missing, where to go?

• 1:00:17Joe Rogan?

  What if a lot of it's missing? What if like half of it's missing?

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  I mean, who, how do we even know?

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. They said the last time they let someone look at it was decades ago.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, the last, I believe the last formal audit was in the 50s.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  So I'm like, okay.

• 1:00:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh my God, just think about all the other things you've already.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  Maybe we should check it again.

• 1:00:40Joe Rogan?

  Maybe.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Joe Rogan?

  Think about all the other stuff that you pointed out. All the checks that just go out, the NGO payments, the social security people. Think about all, just all that. Now apply that to the gold.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I just wanna like emphasize the sheer madness of the government. It's just because they have like magic money computers, that the checks, the checks never bounce for the federal government. Like, so you don't have the normal corrective mechanism that you'd have for a company or for an individual. The checks just always, they're always clear. The net result is inflation, which is effectively a tax on everyone. But, you know, like, the Defense Department hasn't passed an audit in, I don't know how many years.

• 1:01:20Joe Rogan?

  Seven years.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, exactly. So it's like you'd have to be friggin' Chuck Norris to, like, only Chuck Norris could get the Defense Department to pass an audit, you know, type of thing. That's the level of skill you need, you know?

• 1:01:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what's so insane, if you bring it back to the idea that it's a business.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 1:01:37Joe Rogan?

  This should never be tolerated in any kind of functional business.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  Exactly, so.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  You know, Pentagon will like, like their accounting error, like the stuff that they lose in the couch cushions is like 20, 30 billion dollars a year. They just don't know where it went.

• 1:01:55Joe Rogan?

  (laughing)

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  It's gone. Where'd it go? And it's gone.

• 1:02:00Joe Rogan?

  It's so insane.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 1:02:04Joe Rogan?

  It's so insane.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  So that's why I said, like, even simple things, like just requiring that outgoing payments for the Treasury computer have a payment code and a comment of what the payment is about and someone to call about the payment, I think will have a very powerful effect in stopping wasteful outflows and stopping fraud.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and here's another way to look at this. Imagine if some, there are people like you and the Doge team out there in the world. Imagine if one of those works for an organization like USAID or any other organization and has this understanding of how much fuckery's involved, but they have evil intentions and they're entwined in this system for decades and decades and they've built a career and all the entanglements that come with it and they start moving shit around. You could probably do it easy. It sounds like the way you've laid it out, if you were a career person who's in there forever, who knew how everything

• 1:03:05Joe Rogan?

  works, and you were very clever, you could make some shit happen and you could probably do it in conjunction with some people that you know that are forming an NGO. Hey, let's all work together.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And this is the resistance that you're facing.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think it's the biggest scam of all time.

• 1:03:26Joe Rogan?

  This is not something you ever sought out to do.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Literally the biggest scam of all time, ever.

• 1:03:31Joe Rogan?

  Of human history.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Of human history, yes.

• 1:03:33Joe Rogan?

  Wow. I think you're right.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:37Joe Rogan?

  What else could be better?

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  A trillion dollar scam. There's never been a trillion dollar scam, you know?

• 1:03:45Joe Rogan?

  Now, this is not something that you ever set out to do. This is not, you didn't have this as a career aspiration.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  No, like this is the most absurd outcome I can possibly imagine, actually. Also, Doge started as like a sort of a meme coin.

• 1:03:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  You know, it was like a joke cryptocurrency involving memes and dogs.

• 1:04:08Joe Rogan?

  Which is so funny that the letters wind up being perfect.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, actually, I was originally gonna call it like the Government Efficiency Commission, which is a very boring name. And then people online were like, no, it needs to be the Department of Government Efficiency.

• 1:04:21Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  And I was like, you know what, you're right.

• 1:04:24Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:04:25Joe Rogan?

  Of course. I mean, it's more evidence of the simulation.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:04:28Joe Rogan?

  That that little sheen of...

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  Like our mascot is a cute dog.

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  And it's a meme coin. The meme coin is probably worth a lot of money right now, right? Like every time you tweet about it.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Probably, I don't know.

• 1:04:41Joe Rogan?

  Shoots up.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Joe Rogan?

  The whole meme coin thing is bananas.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  It is so bananas that people dump real money into these coins and then you could just pump them up and sell them.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  It's like a casino or something, I don't know.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's totally gambling.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  And people just do whatever, the greater fool theory and musical chairs and whoever's like the last to sit down loses, type of thing.

• 1:05:02Joe Rogan?

  And somehow or another, it's still legal. Like, that's...

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  I think not too many people, I mean, I mean, it's sort of like you go to the casino, like if you expect to win at the casino, you're being a fool, okay? So, I think if you expect to win at meme coins, you're being, is not, you're being foolish, yeah.

• 1:05:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  You're not gonna win at meme coins. It's like, it's, but if you want, like, don't sink your life savings into a meme coin.

• 1:05:30Joe Rogan?

  No, but you can gamble a little and you can ride waves and win a little and lose a little.

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  If you wanna have some fun and don't come, then, you know, play with meme coins.

• 1:05:41Joe Rogan?

  But if you put your family's...

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Don't bet the farm.

• 1:05:43Joe Rogan?

  If you put your family's wealth...

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  Don't bet the farm on a meme coin.

• 1:05:45Joe Rogan?

  In the hock to a coin.

• 1:05:46Speaker 01

  At the risk of saying something bold and outrageous, don't bet the farm on a meme coin.

• 1:05:52Joe Rogan?

  The weird one is the pump and dumps, like...

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  They have it all the time.

• 1:05:56Joe Rogan?

  All the time.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Joe Rogan?

  And people get shocked that somebody pump and dumped, like, what is, what are you doing? Did you, like, I was hoping to dump, I was hoping to make all the money out of this. I can't believe they got me, like...

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Joe Rogan?

  It's just weird that it's legal still.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  Uh, I mean casinos are legal.

• 1:06:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  And people just lose money at casinos.

• 1:06:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But you can't rig a casino, like a pump and dump. You could rig a pump and dump. You know?

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I guess so. Um.

• 1:06:27Joe Rogan?

  Like you could run a real pyramid scheme.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the government's one big pyramid scheme, if you ask me.

• 1:06:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, you could tell me better than anybody.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  Social Security is the biggest Ponzi scheme of all time.

• 1:06:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, explain that.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Oh, so, um, well, people pay into Social Security, um, and, and the money goes out of Social Security immediately. But the obligation for Social Security is of your entire retirement career. So you're, you're paying, uh, with your, the, you're, you're paying, like, like if you look at the future obligations of Social Security, it far exceeds, uh, the, the tax revenue.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  Far. If, if you've ever looked at the, the debt, the debt clock?

• 1:07:12Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Okay. There's, there's, there's our present day debt, but then there's our future obligations. So when you look at the future obligations of Social Security, um, the actual, uh, national debt is like double what, what people think it is because of the future obligations.

• 1:07:31Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  So, basically, people are living way longer than expected. Um, and, uh, there are fewer babies being born. So you have more people who are retired and get, that, that live for a long time and get retirement payments. So the future obligation, so how, however, however bad the financial situation is right now for the federal government, it'll be much worse in the future.

• 1:07:58Speaker 01

  At the risk of being a buzzkill here.

• 1:08:00Joe Rogan?

  Did you see?

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  So we better fix what we got right now, because if it's bad now, it's gonna be much worse in the future.

• 1:08:04Joe Rogan?

  There was an interview with this woman who was a whistleblower.

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:07Joe Rogan?

  Did we ever find out if that was true?

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  There's so many whistles being blown, it's hard to keep track.

• 1:08:11Joe Rogan?

  A lot of whistles. This one lady-

• 1:08:14Speaker 04

  It was only in one state, it was very specific instance, I believe.

• 1:08:17Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it was using social security money, correct? That was her-

• 1:08:20Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:08:21Joe Rogan?

  That was her allegation. So, what she was alleging was that she was in charge of turning illegal immigrants into clients. That's what they would call them. And that she would go to them and try to ask them, "Do you have a headache? Do you have back problems? If you do, now you can be permanently disabled. You get permanent disability, so you get social security for life.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Yes. Not just social security, but disability, which is even more.

• 1:08:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, and you get them on the taxpayer dole, right away, and they're illegal aliens.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Yes. So, if I were to say, like, what's at the heart of the sort of- Like, why is the Democrat propaganda machine so fired up to destroy me? That's the main reason. The main reason is that entitlements fraud, that includes like, social security, disability, Medicaid, entitlements fraud for illegal aliens is what is serving as a gigantic magnetic force to pull people in from all around the world and keep them here. Like, basically, if you pay people at a standard of living that is above 90% of Earth,

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  then you have a very powerful incentive for 90% of Earth to come here and to stay here. But if you end the illegal alien fraud, then you turn off that magnet, and they leave. And they stop coming, and the ones that are here, many of them will simply leave. And if that happens, they will lose a massive number of Democratic voters.

• 1:10:05Joe Rogan?

  And if it didn't happen, they would turn those people into voters.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:10:08Joe Rogan?

  Which they were trying to do.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  They're already turning them- So, in New York State, illegal aliens can already vote in state and city elections. A lot of people don't know that. There's, I mean, they're trying to fight that, and they're trying to stop that, but it's- Currently, I think it's like 600,000 are registered to vote, illegal aliens, in New York.

• 1:10:30Joe Rogan?

  That is wild.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I mean, if you look at, say-

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  You know FEMA, like the agency that was paying for illegal aliens to stay at luxury hotels in New York was FEMA. The, you know, that's meant, that's an agency that's meant to support Americans in distress from natural disasters, was paying for luxury hotels for illegals in New York.

• 1:10:59Joe Rogan?

  It's true. Yeah.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  That's a fact.

• 1:11:01Joe Rogan?

  Fact.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  They're literally, like, when we stopped that payment, we stopped all those money, because that's obviously an insane way to spend taxpayer money. The, New York sued the government, sued the federal government to get the money. So you could just look at their lawsuit. They, they were sending that money even after President Trump signed an executive order saying it needs to stop. They still pressed send on $80 million to luxury hotels in New York. Your tax money went to pay for illegal aliens in luxury hotels in New York from an agency that is meant to help Americans in distress from natural disasters.

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, and I would like to know how much, and I would like to know how much they spent on North Carolina and how much they spent on Maui.

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. What's actually happening is they're buying voters. That's really what's happening. It's like, it's like a giant voter fraud scam. They're importing voters and, and it's really just a matter of time. So, like, a lot of people have trouble believing this, but if you, the more you look at it, the more you will realize just how much of a problem this is and how, it's, it's not just real, it is, it is an attempt to destroy democracy in America. That's what, in my view, it is what it really is. Like, if you take the, the sort of seven swing states, like, often the margin of victory

• 1:12:38Speaker 01

  there is like maybe 20,000 votes. If you put 200,000 illegals in there and they have like an 80% likelihood of voting Dem. And it's only a matter of time before they become citizens. Then those swing states will not be swing states in the future. And if they are not swing states, we'll be a permanent, one-party state country. Permanent, deep-blue socialist state. That's what America will become.

• 1:13:08Joe Rogan?

  And that was the game plan?

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  That was the game plan. That is still the game plan.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  And they almost succeeded. If the machine, of which the Kamala puppet was the representation, had won, that's what would have happened. The reason I went so hardcore for Trump was because, to me, this was a fork in the road. Like, a very obvious fork in the road.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  If they had another four years, they would legalize enough illegals in the swing states to make the swing states not swing states. They would be blue states. Then they would win the presidential... They'd win the House, the Senate, and the presidency.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  They would then make District, you know, DC into a state. Maybe Puerto Rico. Get four extra senators. Pack the Supreme Court. So then you'll have the House, Judiciary, Senate, and presidency, all blue. And then they will keep importing more illegals to cement that outcome. Basically, what happened in California.

• 1:14:25Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  It would have been the end. That's why I went so hardcore for Trump. Otherwise, it would have been the end. And that's why the Democrat machine is so intent on destroying me.

• 1:14:41Joe Rogan?

  It's just so fascinating that people can't see this.

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  I mean, I invite people to do their research. The more they do their research, the more they will see that what I'm saying is absolutely true.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  Do it. It's like, just do the research.

• 1:14:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's such a bad idea even for the Democrats, which is what they don't understand. Like, it's the same people.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not ultimately gonna work out.

• 1:15:05Joe Rogan?

  No, it's the same people.

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:15:07Joe Rogan?

  It's just, they're doing it under the guise that they're the kind compassionate progressive people.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:15:14Joe Rogan?

  But the same outcome takes place. It's just about control. And they probably institute some central bank digital currency and some social credit score system.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  And censorship, of course.

• 1:15:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, of course. Well, that was the big fear coming into this election. Was that if they can't censor things like, we talked about it before, but there's, there was two major forks in the road. The big one was Trump didn't get shot.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:15:37Joe Rogan?

  The other big one was you buy Twitter.

• 1:15:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:39Joe Rogan?

  And if those two things don't happen, the whole world looks different.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:15:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  We don't want to be on that timeline.

• 1:15:47Joe Rogan?

  No, we don't want to have only one side represented because guess what? They will hijack that side, whatever it is. They will hijack that side and use it for money and control, and that's what it's all about. It's not about good people versus bad people. It's a bullshit shell game.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 1:17:30Joe Rogan?

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• 1:17:38Speaker 01

  I mean, I think these things are actually, it's easy to understand if you look at basic incentives. The, the basic incentive here is the more illegals that the Democrats can bring in, the more likely they are to win. So that's what they're gonna do.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  That's what they have been doing. And it worked in California, California's super majority Dem.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  And look at all the companies that are leaving California.

• 1:18:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  I mean, In-N-Out just announced they're leaving, their headquarters leaving California.

• 1:18:08Joe Rogan?

  They're moving to Tennessee.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  And California made healthcare free for illegals.

• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  As of last year. So, and, and that, obviously that's a gigantic magnet for more illegals. Like, and this is not a thing you can solve simply with money because what happens is the, you simply have more patients than a doctor can possibly see. And you can't just, you know, make doctors out of nothing. Like the, so sometimes people are like, oh, it's just a money thing. No, you, it takes a long time for somebody to become a doctor. You know, the 30 years. And, and so what actually happens in California is that there are too many patients for the doctors to see. So then, the average citizen in California suffers as a result.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  Now, the elite in California are fine because they have private doctors. You know, they can just pay for the best doctors. So the elite in California are doing fine, but your average citizen in California is not doing fine. And the tax burden for healthcare for illegals was supposed to be $3 billion. I think that now estimated is $9 billion. But that number will scale to infinity, basically. It's like, why not? Why not, if you need any operation at all, come to California and have it be free?

• 1:19:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  From anywhere on earth.

• 1:19:36Joe Rogan?

  And the people that want to look at it in the most charitable way, they say, oh, well, these people are hardworking, good people, and they're the backbone of our city, and they should have access to all the things that we have access to. And I just don't think they understand that it's a political pawn. I don't think they understand.

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  It's a political game.

• 1:19:54Joe Rogan?

  This is not done for compassion and kindness.

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:19:57Joe Rogan?

  This is just done to ensure that it stays blue.

• 1:19:59Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:20:00Joe Rogan?

  And it's essentially a bribery with your tax dollars.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Yes, this is why the Dems will not even deport criminals.

• 1:20:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  Because every criminal deported is a lost vote. So even if somebody is illegal with a criminal record and commits crime in America, they are still, still were not being deported.

• 1:20:26Joe Rogan?

  And then on top of that, California made it actually illegal to ask for ID when people vote.

• 1:20:34Speaker 01

  Yes. California and New York, you are not allowed to show your ID when you vote. I just want to be clear so everyone understands this. In California and New York, you are not allowed to show your ID even if you want to.

• 1:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Right. Why would that ever be a good idea?

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:20:54Joe Rogan?

  What, what, like, if you wanted to steel man it.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  If you're trying to do, if you're trying to facilitate fraud in elections, it's a great idea.

• 1:21:00Joe Rogan?

  That's the only reason.

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:21:01Joe Rogan?

  There's no other reason logically why that would be a good idea.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  It's for fraud. It's, it's like, it's like, wake up, sheeple. Wake up. Hello? Like, let's say you wanted to commit fraud. What are the things you would do?

• 1:21:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  You would say, you don't need ID, and you can mail in your ballot.

• 1:21:19Joe Rogan?

  And we'll give you free healthcare.

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:21:21Joe Rogan?

  Stay here.

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:21:22Joe Rogan?

  Stay here. I know it's on fire, but stay here.

• 1:21:25Speaker 01

  I mean, in this case, it being on fire is not just a metaphor in California. Okay. It's just like, goddamn, entire neighborhood's burning down.

• 1:21:34Joe Rogan?

  It's just, once they allowed people to vote that are not legal in California, you, once you, if you're, if you're gonna do that, it's, it's over.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Exactly. There's, there's no coming back from that.

• 1:21:48Joe Rogan?

  The numbers are just, no, people are so indoctrinated too. There's so many people that, no matter what, they think voting Republican means you're an asshole.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:21:56Joe Rogan?

  And they won't do it. They won't do it. They, they'll put their fucking rainbow flag on their porch, and they'll just ride it right into the beach.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  Civilizational suicide.

• 1:22:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Right to the rocks. Bang, crash the boat.

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  I mean, there's, there's a guy who posts on X who's, who's great, Godzad.

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a friend of mine. He's been on the podcast bunch times.

• 1:22:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's awesome.

• 1:22:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's great.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  And he talks about, you know, basically suicidal empathy.

• 1:22:21Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Like, if, if there's like, there's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself.

• 1:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  So that, we've got civilizational, suicidal empathy going on. And it's like, I believe in empathy. Like, I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for, for civilization as a whole, and not commit to a civilizational suicide.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  Also, don't let someone use your empathy against you so they can completely control your state, and then do an insanely bad job of managing it, and never get removed.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  The, the fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. They're, they're, it's, it's, they're exploiting a, a bug in Western civilization, which is the empathy response. So, and I, I think, you know, empathy is good, but you need to think it through, and not just be... Programmed like a robot.

• 1:23:18Joe Rogan?

  Right. Understand when empathy has been actually used as a tool.

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  Yes. It's weaponized empathy is the issue.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Weaponized empathy and yeah.

• 1:23:31Joe Rogan?

  And it's also the rigid adherence to that liberal ideology. Like you can't switch sides over there. Like California, if you're a part of that whole tech Hollywood entertainment, any of those circles, you're on the left. Like almost wholly, almost completely.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  It's borderline illegal to be a Republican in California. Like in San Francisco or LA, it's borderline illegal to be a Republican.

• 1:23:58Joe Rogan?

  You're certainly shunned.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  No, I look, I mean, like San Francisco, you could shoot heroin while taking a dump on the mayor's car in front of City Hall. Okay. And that, and nothing would happen to you.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  If you walk down the street with a MAGA hat, you're gonna get attacked. It's insane.

• 1:24:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's insane. It's also so Orwellian that a hat that says make America great again would cause people to have a violent reaction. Like, aren't you American? Wouldn't just, just as a whole, like the saying, wouldn't that be a good thing for everyone? Make America great again. But because it's attached to Donald Trump and that red hat, you'll get maced for wearing that red hat. They will make America worse by beating you. So it's like it's an evil thing they're doing. A violent assault in America because you want to make America great again.

• 1:24:58Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's like a scene in a book. It doesn't, it doesn't seem like it could be that ridiculous. Like, remember when all lives matter would get you fired?

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  Which is insane.

• 1:25:09Joe Rogan?

  Insane. People got fired because they said all lives matter.

• 1:25:13Speaker 01

  Which is a very reasonable thing to say.

• 1:25:15Joe Rogan?

  How reasonable is that?

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:25:17Joe Rogan?

  That's essentially saying, everybody matters. But that's not-

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  That's literally all you're saying.

• 1:25:21Joe Rogan?

  That's not what you were supposed to say. You had to say, black lives matter, which of course they do if you say, all lives matter. Everybody matters.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:25:29Joe Rogan?

  But the idea of being a colorblind society was completely abandoned somewhere around 2012-ish.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I sort of can trace it to when, when did the, the gun emoji get nerfed? You know, uh, when did it turn into a squirt gun?

• 1:25:43Joe Rogan?

  That was a couple of years ago.

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  That was like 2016, I think.

• 1:25:46Joe Rogan?

  Was it?

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it became a squirt gun. Can you bring it back to X?

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, no, right now, if, if, if you, uh, use a gun emoji on X, the, the, Apple will insist that it be a squirt gun and then the X app turns it back into a, uh, a 1911.

• 1:26:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  So you can, you can actually, uh, you know, have, have a 1911 gun. It, we, we, we reverted the Apple change inside the app.

• 1:26:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:17Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious. That, that, it's, that thing's so offensive. The gun and then the pregnant man. Both of those got me. You motherfuckers.

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  I mean, I like that meme where it's like, the people telling you that what you're hearing is disinformation are the same people that did the pregnant man emoji.

• 1:26:35Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. Think about that.

• 1:26:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, the same people that say, a woman attacked a Tesla factory.

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:44Joe Rogan?

  The woman.

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  It's a dude.

• 1:26:45Joe Rogan?

  It's a dude. Like, really obvious dude. Really big looking-

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Like a mentally ill dude.

• 1:26:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, mentally ill dude with a wig on. Say that.

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:26:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but NBC, even Fox.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  You're looking at the picture and you're like-

• 1:26:59Joe Rogan?

  I think even Fox called it a woman.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  Yo, this has got a, this, this is a dude with a strong jawline.

• 1:27:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's wearing woman face.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  This is a buff, this is a buff dude.

• 1:27:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a buff dude wearing woman face.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  I mean, come on.

• 1:27:12Joe Rogan?

  That's not, that's not a woman.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they're like saying, one shot for disinformation. I'm like, what are you talking about?

• 1:27:18Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  This is bullshit.

• 1:27:20Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's just more evidence of the virus, though, right? Like, it killed objectivity, killed reality, and it demanded strict adherence, or you were attacked.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  Any questioning of it would result in being ostracized.

• 1:27:37Joe Rogan?

  Do you, like, what kind of responsibility do you feel, like, knowing that if you didn't take over Twitter and turn it into X, if that didn't happen, like, I really think the world's a very different place right now. Like, how long have you owned it for?

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  Two, couple of years, basically.

• 1:27:55Joe Rogan?

  Imagine, imagine a couple of years of it being run the way it was run before, and probably accelerating.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  I mean, my account would have been suspended long ago, for sure.

• 1:28:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure. Yeah, just for the disinformation.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, it would have been...

• 1:28:13Joe Rogan?

  Trump would have never come back. Alex Jones would have definitely never been back.

• 1:28:17Speaker 01

  Definitely not.

• 1:28:17Joe Rogan?

  No, no.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  So, yeah.

• 1:28:23Joe Rogan?

  Does that weigh on you? Like, I would feel like that would be a fucking heavy responsibility.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I'm just trying to keep civilization going here, you know, for longer.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  So, um, I think we at least want to build a city on Mars and become a multiplanet civilization,

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  which I think would be incredibly important in ensuring the long-term survival of civilization.

• 1:29:01Joe Rogan?

  Are you still rescuing those people that are stuck in the space station?

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, it's coming up in a couple of weeks, I think.

• 1:29:06Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. They've been up there for, how long, Jamie? They were supposed to be there for a couple of days, right?

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  I think actually probably four weeks. They're supposed to be, they were supposed to be up there for like eight days.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  And they've been up there for like, I think, eight months. So a little longer than expected.

• 1:29:21Joe Rogan?

  Fuck.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:22Joe Rogan?

  What is it gonna be like for those people when they get back? They're gonna be a wreck for a long time, right?

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, if it longer you stay up there, you get, you know, sort of enzirge, you get increased bone loss, so. It ended up being like this political football and sort of hotly contested topic. We offered to bring them back early. This offer was rejected by the Biden administration.

• 1:29:47Joe Rogan?

  Why?

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  For political reasons.

• 1:29:49Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 1:29:50Speaker 01

  There's no way that they're gonna make anyone who's supporting Trump look good.

• 1:29:55Joe Rogan?

  Wow. What do you think they would have done if they had won? How'd they get those people back?

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  No, they can only get them back with a SpaceX spacecraft, but they pushed the return date past the inauguration date.

• 1:30:09Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Joe Rogan?

  So they would have let you do it, but after the...

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Joe Rogan?

  Wow. And so it would have been them authorizing you to do it?

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  There isn't anyone else to do it.

• 1:30:24Joe Rogan?

  NASA can't get them.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  The only SpaceX Dragon spacecraft is the only one that is considered safe enough to bring them back. So NASA concluded that the Boeing spacecraft was not safe. So that's why they're stuck there.

• 1:30:39Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:41Joe Rogan?

  And you can't ask Russia to help.

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  That would be awkward.

• 1:30:44Joe Rogan?

  A little bit.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Be a nice thing if they did. They said, "Guys, we'll help."

• 1:30:49Speaker 01

  I think that for enough money, they would.

• 1:30:51Joe Rogan?

  You think so?

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. But they would obviously treat it as a propaganda victory and charge crazy money.

• 1:31:00Joe Rogan?

  It's just disgusting that they would use that as a political tool.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. So, well, the Biden administration was also suing SpaceX. They had this massive lawsuit against SpaceX for SpaceX not hiring asylum seekers.

• 1:31:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  So people like, say like, "Oh, Elon's making it up. The Biden administration wasn't against SpaceX." I'm like, "Bro, the Department of Justice had a massive lawsuit against SpaceX for not hiring asylum seekers, even though it is illegal for us to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident." So it is both, there's law that says you have to hire asylum seekers, but there's also a law that says anyone hired by a rocket company, which is an advanced weapons technology, must be a permanent resident, and an asylum seeker is not a permanent resident. So it is both legal and illegal to hire asylum seekers.

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  So why would the Biden administration launch a massive lawsuit? Again, this is public information. It's not like my imagination.

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  Why would they launch to do such a massive lawsuit against SpaceX? They're extremely antagonistic.

• 1:32:20Joe Rogan?

  It just doesn't make any sense that that could ever even get past the first day of someone looking at it. If it's both illegal and you're trying to enforce it. Like, you can't enforce it.

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  This is an advanced weapons company. This is crazy.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:32:35Joe Rogan?

  It should be like this, throw this out.

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  There's, in fact, there's like international traffic and arms regulations is a, like a law that is there to ensure that if, if only permanent residents of the United States can work at advanced weapons companies. Rockets are advanced weapons. So the same is true of like, if it's like nuclear or, you know, some like, you know, bioweapon thing or something like that.

• 1:33:03Speaker 01

  So, because that, obviously, if, if someone were to work at SpaceX and then go, leave and go to North Korea or Iran, they could build missile technology that could, you know, destroy the United States. So that's why you're not allowed to hire people who are permanent residents. It's logical.

• 1:33:21Joe Rogan?

  Logical.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  Logical.

• 1:33:22Joe Rogan?

  So is that lawsuit still pending?

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  I wish, it was just dismissed.

• 1:33:28Joe Rogan?

  How long was it going on for?

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  Couple of years.

• 1:33:30Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:34Joe Rogan?

  That's the other thing that drives me crazy, like that people don't understand that if you sanction lawfare like that, if you sanction attacking your political enemies, someone's gonna do that to you. Like, if the wrong people get in office.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:48Joe Rogan?

  If, as new people get in office, four years from now, eight years from now, who knows who it's gonna be? You've already set a precedent. You've already attacked someone, charged them with 34 felonies, where they're really just misdemeanors, and they're also past the statute of limitation, and now you're talking all over the news that this is a convicted felon. Convicted felon. They kept saying convicted felon, convicted felon. And everybody knows what it is.

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:34:14Joe Rogan?

  It's terrifying.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:15Joe Rogan?

  It's terrifying they could do it so brazenly to a guy who was the president for four years.

• 1:34:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:34:24Speaker 01

  That lawsuit was funded by Reid Hoffman, who is a major dam donor.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  And also an Epstein client.

• 1:34:34Speaker 01

  The plot thickens.

• 1:34:36Joe Rogan?

  The plot thickens. Jesus Christ.

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

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• 1:36:57Joe Rogan?

  It's so blatant. It's like so obvious. The SpaceX lawsuit, the Trump stuff. It's just, it's so obvious.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Yes. Like, known Epstein clients, who are obviously extremely powerful, powerful politically and, and very wealthy, are, you know, Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, and Reid Hoffman. And some others too, but those three. So, you know, why was Reid Hoffman so intent on destroying Trump?

• 1:37:32Joe Rogan?

  You think it's because they're worried about the list coming out?

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. One of the reasons. Yeah.

• 1:37:42Joe Rogan?

  So...

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm like, this is, you know, yeah, so...

• 1:37:47Joe Rogan?

  It's so frustrating to be sitting in a situation where the, the list isn't coming out.

• 1:37:51Speaker 01

  Well, it better come out, I mean, hopefully tomorrow.

• 1:37:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, why'd they release bullshit today?

• 1:37:56Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:37:56Joe Rogan?

  What's the point in giving these people like a, a happy folder to wave around in front of the camera with nothing in it that's new? Doesn't make any sense. It's not encouraging.

• 1:38:09Speaker 01

  Like I said, it's, the tough thing that they've got is, you know, they've been made captain of a ship with a hostile crew.

• 1:38:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  So, they don't have like, it's not like you, you have like magical powers. You get made captain of a ship with a hostile crew, you still have a hostile crew.

• 1:38:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  You've got to bring in people who are gonna, you know, be helpful as opposed to obstructionist.

• 1:38:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  So... But yeah, I think the, the public will be rightly frustrated if there's, if no one is prosecuted for the Epstein client list. No one at all. Which, you know, no one, like...

• 1:38:57Speaker 01

  Is, you know, like at least, I don't know, the top five or something, like some number. Should, there should at least be an attempted prosecution of the worst offenders.

• 1:39:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, particularly if Ghislaine Maxwell is in jail for sex trafficking.

• 1:39:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:39:12Joe Rogan?

  Cause like, well, trafficking to who?

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  Occurred.

• 1:39:15Joe Rogan?

  Right. So she was in, she's in jail for it.

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:39:18Joe Rogan?

  So, to...

• 1:39:20Speaker 01

  Who were the clients?

• 1:39:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. How do you put someone in jail and you don't even name the clients? That sounds kind of insane.

• 1:39:28Speaker 01

  I think, yes, it would. Yes.

• 1:39:32Joe Rogan?

  It's stunning that they've been able to hold it back for so long. It's really kind of amazing. Like, when people say that people can't keep secrets, what the fuck are you talking about? Look at this.

• 1:39:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, a bunch of these things are not like, it's, it's common knowledge, but we just, we don't actually have the proof.

• 1:39:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39:52Speaker 01

  So the proof is there. I mean, there's lots of videos.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's lots, I mean, the dude, it's like a mountain of, like, whenever they raided Epstein's place, there would have been like a mountain of evidence. Where is that mountain?

• 1:40:09Joe Rogan?

  Right. What'd you do with it?

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  Yes. Like, who took possession of the evidence?

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  Specifically.

• 1:40:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  The individuals.

• 1:40:16Joe Rogan?

  Where are the tapes?

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  How many levels of clearance do I have to get to get into the vault?

• 1:40:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  You know, what we need are people who are really good with computers.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  Really good with technology.

• 1:40:39Speaker 04

  I remember seeing this photo.

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  That's when they raided his home?

• 1:40:42Speaker 04

  They were.

• 1:40:43Joe Rogan?

  That's when they're on the island?

• 1:40:44Speaker 04

  They were there then.

• 1:40:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They got everything, I'm sure.

• 1:40:47Speaker 01

  I mean, there must have been so much stuff on that island.

• 1:40:50Joe Rogan?

  There must have been. And if it wasn't there, where was it?

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:53Joe Rogan?

  What, you know, it has to be uploaded somewhere. There has to be some sort of a chain of evidence.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:59Joe Rogan?

  Or chain of custody.

• 1:41:00Speaker 01

  It's gotta be a mountain of, of evidence.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The other thing they're gonna talk about is UAPs. They're gonna release all the UAP information. So you're the guy to ask about this. What, what if any possibility is there that there is some sort of advanced propulsion system technology that's being worked on in secret? And that they're trying to cover this up with this talk of aliens and alien tech and not of this world and is it possible that there's some sort of very secret program that's going on in cahoots with some defense contractors that are developing advanced propulsion systems that they're using for these drones?

• 1:41:49Speaker 01

  I mean SpaceX, you know, my company SpaceX is has the most advanced rocket technology in the world. I think I'd know.

• 1:41:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:42:02Speaker 01

  And I, to the best of my knowledge, there is not any magic, there's not like some super advanced propulsion technology.

• 1:42:08Joe Rogan?

  There have been people who have theorized different gravity drives and different things. Is there anything that's ever gotten past the theoretical stage?

• 1:42:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:42:19Joe Rogan?

  Nothing?

• 1:42:20Speaker 01

  Well, there's nothing even that I'm aware of that works in theory.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  It's not like I, I would like this to exist, to be clear. I would like this to exist. And I have the, I, I, from a security clearance standpoint, I have top, top secret, there is, I have equivalent of like an all access pass from a security clearance standpoint. So, I, I'm, I don't think they're hiding it from me, basically. I don't think they could.

• 1:42:53Joe Rogan?

  Unless it's completely in these weapons manufacturing corporations.

• 1:42:59Speaker 01

  I mean, I know these weapons manufacturing companies, like Boeing, Lockheed, and Northrop. I mean, yeah, they do some interesting things, but they do not have, there's no breakthrough that they have.

• 1:43:11Joe Rogan?

  So-

• 1:43:12Speaker 01

  I'm confident they do not have a breakthrough.

• 1:43:13Joe Rogan?

  When you hear people like-

• 1:43:14Speaker 01

  Like, why don't they just compete with SpaceX and make a better rocket, in which case, you know?

• 1:43:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:19Speaker 01

  They can make, why are they holding back on making a lot of money from beating SpaceX with better rockets?

• 1:43:26Joe Rogan?

  My thought was that what if it's just a drone and you can't have a biological entity inside of it because it just bursts from the fucking speed that it's moving at? That a human couldn't tolerate the amount of force. So they're just drones.

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 1:43:45Joe Rogan?

  So what do you think people like Ryan Graves and Commander David Fravor?

• 1:43:48Speaker 01

  I want cool things to exist.

• 1:43:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:43:50Speaker 01

  Like, so like, do I want UFOs to exist? Yes, I want UFOs to exist because that would be really interesting.

• 1:43:56Joe Rogan?

  Of course, everybody does.

• 1:43:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  It'd be cool.

• 1:43:59Speaker 01

  It's a more boring world where UFOs don't exist. Or like flying, like, advanced propulsion stuff doesn't exist. That's a, if it doesn't exist, that's more boring. I'd like, it'd be more interesting. If it did exist, I'd like it to exist. I hope we find something. But I have not seen, like, I mean, like, SpaceX has, launches 90% of all satellite mass to orbit. So if you take all of Earth's rocket, all of Earth's rocket launches, my company has a 90% market share of Earth. China does about 5% and the rest of the world does, including Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop and everyone, does 5%.

• 1:44:43Speaker 01

  So, why, why wouldn't they use this to defeat SpaceX?

• 1:44:50Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, makes sense. No, listen, that's why I asked you. It would make sense. What do you think that these people are seeing?

• 1:45:03Speaker 01

  We're launching a rocket every two days.

• 1:45:04Joe Rogan?

  But what do you think these people are seeing? When, when you have reliable people like Commander David Fravor, who had that infamous Tic Talk, Tic Tac experience, off the coast of San Diego, where they got this thing on video, they tracked it going 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet in like a second.

• 1:45:23Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:45:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. And then they also have video evidence of this thing accelerating at a great speed. Eyewitness accounts from two different jets.

• 1:45:33Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:45:37Speaker 01

  I mean, can we, does anyone have a high-res video or photo of this thing?

• 1:45:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a video of this thing where they're locked on to it and then it takes off. It shoots off.

• 1:45:46Speaker 01

  Is it high-res?

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  No, it's like whatever the systems they used on fighter jets in 2004. Essentially like Windows 95.

• 1:45:54Speaker 01

  I mean, there's like, somebody did a curve of like, the resolution of UFOs and the resolution of cameras.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  UFO resolution stayed flat.

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  Despite megapixels and cameras going like, you know, super high.

• 1:46:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, according to Christopher Mellon.

• 1:46:08Speaker 01

  Why are they still blurry?

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  Christopher Mellon, who worked in the State Department, said that they have high-resolution photos and videos of these things and that's all, that he's seen it, it's all locked away. Whenever people say that to me, I'm like, don't even tell me that then. Don't, unless you have a-

• 1:46:22Speaker 01

  Just leak it, for god's sake.

• 1:46:23Joe Rogan?

  Put it out there.

• 1:46:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:25Joe Rogan?

  Like, let it slip.

• 1:46:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:46:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, there's a couple photos, they're grainy. There's not one thing that I've ever looked at and go, holy fuck, that's it.

• 1:46:35Speaker 01

  Look, I mean, you could ask our Grok Air right now to create a high-res image of an alien spacecraft, you know, over Orston.

• 1:46:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:45Speaker 01

  And it's gonna do a great job. So, why do we not have at least that?

• 1:46:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:46:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I wanna believe, that's the problem. My brain starts going, oh, come on, this is no fun. I want it to be real. I want there to be at least be some advanced propulsion system. If not, like, what are all these people seeing? Like, what is hap- if we're not being occasionally visited by things that are smart enough to hide?

• 1:47:12Speaker 01

  We might be, I just, these aliens are very subtle.

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you keep saying that. It's a good, good line. It's a solid line, cuz it's pretty accurate.

• 1:47:21Speaker 01

  I just wanna see some high-res video of aliens.

• 1:47:23Joe Rogan?

  Look, how are they just evading all the cameras? If you think about that, and the ones that you do get them on, it's just like some faraway light that's moving weird and it could be a lot of things, but I wanna believe.

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I mean, there've been like, multiple times where, you know, the Air Force and Navy has called SpaceX and said they think they've seen aliens, and we're like, was it at this time, on this date, in this location? They're like, yes, how'd you know? That's us.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  That's our satellites. That's our satellites. And they're like, no, they're not. I'm like, yeah, they're definitely our satellites.

• 1:48:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. People see the SpaceX satellites all the time whizzing by.

• 1:48:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're our satellites. And they're, they are moving at, you know, 16,000 miles an hour. So, it's pretty fast.

• 1:48:12Joe Rogan?

  And there's also stuff that the United States government does have that gets mistaken for UFOs. I remember the first time I saw a stealth bomber. We were filming Fear Factor. It was like right after, uh, 2003, like right after the war had broken off. And they were flying a stealth bomber down in Palmdale. I was like, holy shit. Like, if I didn't know what that was, I would 100% think that's from another world.

• 1:48:36Speaker 01

  Stealth bombers are cool.

• 1:48:37Joe Rogan?

  Fucking cool.

• 1:48:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:39Joe Rogan?

  Really cool. I mean, it doesn't look like a human's. It looks like something from Battlestar Galactica, you know?

• 1:48:45Speaker 01

  It does look, yeah, it does look awesome. Um, I mean, they're not stealthy against any, uh, advanced radar system, by the way. That doesn't work.

• 1:48:53Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't work anymore?

• 1:48:53Speaker 01

  Doesn't work, no.

• 1:48:54Joe Rogan?

  Was it old school stuff?

• 1:48:56Speaker 01

  They're only, they're only stealthy against, uh, old radars.

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:49:02Speaker 01

  I mean, you can still see them, like, they're not invisible.

• 1:49:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:06Speaker 01

  They're not like, oh, it's not like, you know, a cloaking device from Star Trek.

• 1:49:11Joe Rogan?

  Did you see when me and Lex, uh, we, we watched the, the rocket get caught live while, while it was happening? That, to me, was one of the, to see it actually, I've seen videos of it happen, but to see it actually live was one of the coolest fucking things. Like, wow, we are in the future.

• 1:49:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:49:34Speaker 01

  I mean, nobody else could do that.

• 1:49:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's true. Nobody else could do that. That's fact.

• 1:49:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:42Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty wild.

• 1:49:44Speaker 01

  It's because I'm an alien. It's time you knew.

• 1:49:46Joe Rogan?

  I thought about it.

• 1:49:47Speaker 01

  I'm an alien, and I keep trying to tell people I'm an alien, but they don't believe me.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  I believe you.

• 1:49:51Speaker 01

  Okay, thank you.

• 1:49:52Joe Rogan?

  I believe you. That's my suspicion all along, was that you were an alien.

• 1:49:56Speaker 01

  I'm just trying to get back to my home planet.

• 1:49:57Joe Rogan?

  Is that you're a friendly alien? Like, there's nothing wrong with aliens. I like people from everywhere.

• 1:50:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:02Joe Rogan?

  Even other planets. What's next? Like, now that you can do that, and you can catch rockets, what's like the ultimate expression of rocket technology? Like, what, what comes after this?

• 1:50:15Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the fundamental breakthrough we're aiming for at SpaceX is a fully and rapidly reusable orbital rocket, where both stages are fully and rapidly reusable. With our Falcon rocket, we are able to reuse the main stage and the nose cone, but we're not able to reuse the upper stage. And it still takes us, you know, at least a few days from when the main stage lands to when we can fly it again. So it doesn't, it doesn't, it's, it's not fully reusable because we lose the upper stage, which costs $10 million to build.

• 1:50:55Speaker 01

  And, and then, and then the main stage, it's not as reusable as like an aircraft. You can't just like refuel it and fly. It requires work for a couple of days. But the Starship design is the first design that is capable of full and rapid reusability, where that is one of the possible outcomes. And once you have full and rapid reusability, the cost of access to space drops by a factor of 100. It's like 100 times cheaper. By some metrics, it's 1,000 times cheaper.

• 1:51:38Speaker 01

  And, and then when you factor in orbital refilling, so your refill on orbit, it can drop the cost of going, cost per ton to the surface of Mars by a factor of 10,000.

• 1:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:58Joe Rogan?

  So what has to improve in order to make it reusable?

• 1:52:07Speaker 01

  Well...

• 1:52:13Speaker 01

  There's some, like, we're pretty close to being able to rapidly reuse the booster for Starship. That's why, you know, it comes back and gets caught by the arms, and then the arms place it back in the launch mount. So, now, this all, you know, we have a little bit of engine damage, we've got a little bit of heat shield damage. There's, like, there's, like, tweaks that are needed, but we're pretty close to achieving full and rapid reusability of the booster.

• 1:52:51Speaker 01

  The ship, we, I mean, I think we'll achieve reusability of the ship this year, and I think we'll achieve rapid reusability of the whole stack, ship and booster, next year. This is the fundamental breakthrough required for life to become multi-planetary.

• 1:53:12Joe Rogan?

  And what is, what needs to improve in order to make it reusable? Like, what is, what's wrong with it right now?

• 1:53:19Speaker 01

  On the ship side, the toughest problem is the heat shield. So, no one has actually, no one has ever developed a fully reusable orbital heat shield. Because you, when you come in from orbital velocity, you come in like a flaming meteor, like, you're just a raging ball of fire. And it's, it's hard to have a heat shield that doesn't partially melt or get destroyed in that process. You know, that wasn't a problem we were able to solve with Falcon 9. That's why the upper stage burns up on reentry.

• 1:53:58Speaker 01

  With Starship, the ship portion, you've got the booster and you've got the ship, we've got to solve the, making a fully reusable orbital heat shield, a problem that has never been solved before. For a while there, I was like, I'm not sure this is solvable. At this point, I think it is solvable. It requires detailed iteration on the heat shield tiles. And, I mean, we've vertically integrated the manufacturing of the heat shield tiles, because there was no supplier that could provide us with the materials that were needed. So, the...

• 1:54:41Speaker 01

  You need to make essentially this very fine vermicelli of glass and aluminum oxide fibers.

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  Aluminum oxide is basically sapphire. So it's like glass and sapphire, very fine fibers in exactly the right geometry with special coatings

• 1:55:08Speaker 01

  in order to have the this heat shield tile be reusable, like not melt,

• 1:55:18Speaker 01

  and but not be so brittle that it gets damaged on ascent or descent.

• 1:55:25Speaker 01

  Like it can't be as, you know, it's kind of like almost the brittleness of a coffee cup type of thing. And the rocket's shaking like hell. So you got this thing like, if you saw it firsthand, like imagine you're at ground zero of that rocket. Like you feel how much shaking it was when you're like five miles away. Imagine if you're right there, you know? So you got, you're shaking these things that are like as brittle as a coffee cup, trying not to have them crack or break.

• 1:55:52Speaker 01

  And then not have them melt. You've got several thousand, several thousand of these things.

• 1:56:01Speaker 01

  You know, and if even a few of them break, it's not reusable.

• 1:56:05Joe Rogan?

  So is there innovation that's being done in the materials technology at SpaceX? Where you're constantly trying to find and tweak a better version of this?

• 1:56:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:56:16Speaker 01

  It's a very difficult problem. It's a problem no one has ever solved. So we've got to get the exact right materials combination,

• 1:56:24Speaker 01

  the right molecules in the right shape, and then apply those, that heat shield perfectly to the rocket with no mistakes.

• 1:56:37Speaker 01

  There's a reason that no one solved this before. It's a very difficult problem. So like, so we had, we've had to vertically integrate the entire manufacturing of the tile from basic raw materials to a finished tile.

• 1:56:54Speaker 01

  Rebuild, like build the entire supply chain from basic raw materials. So we're just inputting.

• 1:57:03Speaker 01

  Silicon and aluminum oxides.

• 1:57:06Joe Rogan?

  And what is the difference between the way you guys do it versus the way they used to do it for the space shuttle?

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the space shuttle, like, space shuttle leading edge used like quite dense carbon carbon tiles, like it was, they're like basically thick and heavy, but also subject to cracking. That's like what happens. The foam broke off and it's, it hit the tile, cracked the tile, then on entry, the crack, the tiles that had been cracked or broken weren't able to shield the shuttle. And so the plasma got in and melted the primary structure and the whole, the whole space shuttle broke apart.

• 1:57:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:55Speaker 01

  So you can't, basically can't have something that's as brittle, you know, brittle like the space shuttle.

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  There's footage of that, right?

• 1:58:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:05Joe Rogan?

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• 2:00:27Speaker 01

  And rain debris over the whole United States. And they got almost all the pieces. The full technical explanation would, I think, be understood by about six people listening to this. There was a lot of brilliant engineering in the space shuttle tiles.

• 2:00:51Speaker 01

  And a bunch of the heat shielding wasn't even tiles, it was actually silica blankets, like, you know, felt blankets essentially. If you look closely, you'll see it actually is, they're actually heat blankets, not tiles in some areas. But they would have cracked tiles and they would have occasionally tiles would fall off. There were a few close calls where tiles fell off, but they weren't in a super vulnerable position on the space shuttle. But it would take them several months, like eight, nine months, to refurbish a space shuttle between each flight. So it was not reusable, really, and it certainly wasn't rapid.

• 2:01:36Speaker 01

  So, like I said, a very hard problem. You've also got to sort of attach the tiles in a way that enables the structure underneath to move, to expand and contract.

• 2:01:57Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:01:58Speaker 01

  Even though you've got these very rigid tiles. So, like, the main, the tanks which take on cryogenic propellant will contract when you put in the cryogenic propellant, but then when you come in and you get very hot, they will expand. So now you're expanding, you're contracting and expanding the gap between these rigid tiles.

• 2:02:23Joe Rogan?

  But how much?

• 2:02:25Speaker 01

  It varies depending on where you are on the vehicle. So if you're in the cryogenic tank section, like, I mean, you can see like a 10, 20% difference in the gap.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:02:43Speaker 01

  It's pretty significant, yeah. It's enough that you can't just put all the tile, you can't just jam the tiles together. If you put them, if you actually buttered them up, they would all crack because there's too much movement. There's also some amount of body bending. So as the ship is ascending... You know, when the when the engines steer, there's a little bit of movement. And so if the tiles are too close together, they they'll essentially just crack and snap.

• 2:03:13Joe Rogan?

  Like how plane.

• 2:03:13Speaker 01

  You have to have a gap.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Like how planes wings.

• 2:03:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a plane wing will move.

• 2:03:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:18Speaker 01

  A plane body will move too.

• 2:03:20Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:03:21Speaker 01

  You you have to have some gap, but if you have too much of a gap, then the the the heat gets gets to the, you know, gets gets past the tile and melts the structure.

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 2:03:35Speaker 01

  It's a hard problem.

• 2:03:36Joe Rogan?

  And how large are these tiles?

• 2:03:39Speaker 01

  I mean, they're like that big.

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 2:03:41Speaker 01

  Well, they're not all exactly the same size, but yeah, we're sort of a hexagonal tile.

• 2:03:46Joe Rogan?

  And they have to essentially be, you can't like 3D print the whole thing. You can't have one structure. It has to be tiles because it has to have that ability to move.

• 2:03:56Speaker 01

  Well, there's no 3D printer that's, I mean, the biggest ones are like maybe three feet, you know?

• 2:04:03Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:04:03Speaker 01

  There's no, you you can't 3D print it. And nor would you, you you have to have something that can move.

• 2:04:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:12Speaker 01

  It has to be able to flex.

• 2:04:15Speaker 01

  Like I said, you've got expansion and contraction.

• 2:04:18Speaker 01

  You you really drive, like you, you know, you're

• 2:04:22Speaker 01

  you're putting in liquid oxygen, which is like minus 300 degrees Fahrenheit.

• 2:04:29Speaker 01

  Actually, we we subcool it to, you know, minus 330 degrees Fahrenheit. So it's very cold. And then it will be several hundred degrees. It may be 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit potentially. And when on reentry, so you've got this huge temperature swing. So the thermal expansion is substantial and the whole, and you're thermal expansion and contraction combined with body bending. So you have to take the worst case body bending and thermal expansion contraction.

• 2:05:04Speaker 01

  This is a very hard problem.

• 2:05:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, delicate balance.

• 2:05:08Joe Rogan?

  But you're confident that you guys are going to be able to crack it?

• 2:05:11Speaker 01

  At this point, I I'm confident that it is solvable, yeah.

• 2:05:16Joe Rogan?

  It just needs a certain amount of versions of it. That's why when these things blow up, you're like, yeah, we expect them to blow up.

• 2:05:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, what would be really helpful is for us to get the ship back so we can study.

• 2:05:29Speaker 01

  Where we had cracked tiles or lost tiles. Why did we have a cracked or lost tiles? Was because maybe the tiles were, the gap was too big, too small. Maybe there was a height difference between the tiles. Maybe we need to change the chemical composition. You know, if we can get the damn ship back intact, we can iterate a lot better. Which we'll get it back intact. So, I think we'll get it back intact this year. But that's why I think we'll probably recover the ship sometime this year.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  And then, we might be able to re-fly one, but probably with a fair bit of work by the end of this year. But it's going to take us many iterations before we can achieve rapid reusability where the ship comes back, lands, gets caught like the booster with the OMS. And then the OMS placed it on top of the booster and it launches again.

• 2:06:38Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  So, like I said, that's, you know, reduce the cost of access to space by a factor of 100.

• 2:06:47Joe Rogan?

  And what is the process of returning these people that are stuck in the space station?

• 2:06:51Speaker 01

  Well, we send SpaceX Dragon to the space station all the time. And we've now taken people to orbit and back, we've taken over 50 people, over 50 astronauts.

• 2:07:07Joe Rogan?

  So it's just a matter of doing it?

• 2:07:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:09Joe Rogan?

  And is it a matter of waiting for the proper...

• 2:07:11Speaker 01

  We do it routinely, basically. It's not a, we've been doing this for a few years.

• 2:07:15Joe Rogan?

  So when is this rescue mission going to launch?

• 2:07:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably about, um, about four weeks or so. It's depending on weather and other considerations. Uh, but it's about a month away.

• 2:07:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, that'll be, uh, I'm sure, a welcome moment for those poor people that are stuck up there. So, so.

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I said, it's a bit of a political football. So, they're not gonna complain.

• 2:07:44Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm sure they're gonna be.

• 2:07:46Speaker 01

  It's political football, but obviously, we, we could have brought them back way sooner.

• 2:07:50Joe Rogan?

  That's so fucked up. So, let's, let's take it past the point where you have these scales, you have a reusable ship.

• 2:08:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:01Joe Rogan?

  And you've, you've got it dialed in, then what are the steps? What, what, what's next step after that? Is it an unmanned ver- voyage to Mars first?

• 2:08:11Speaker 01

  Unmanned flight of Mars. Um, the Earth and Mars, um, orbits synchronize every two years. Um, or every 26 months, technically. So, um, the next orbital synchronization is November of next year. So, and you can launch plus minus a month roughly. So, we'd have to launch in November or December of next year. Uh, so the, the default plan is to launch, hopefully, several starships to Mars at the end of next year.

• 2:08:47Joe Rogan?

  And what would they be doing?

• 2:08:49Speaker 01

  Well, at first, we're just gonna try to land on Mars and see if we succeed in landing. Um, do, do we succeed in landing? Like, let's say we were able to send five ships. Do all five land intact, or do we, uh, add some craters to Mars? Um, if we add some craters, we've gotta be a bit more cautious about sending people, you know? We need to. So, we're gonna make sure the thing lands safely.

• 2:09:17Joe Rogan?

  How does it land on Mars?

• 2:09:19Speaker 01

  Uh, with our rocket thrusters.

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  So, it'll just land?

• 2:09:23Speaker 01

  Oh, we'll, we'll add legs.

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:09:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:26Joe Rogan?

  It'll just land and have legs and?

• 2:09:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:09:28Joe Rogan?

  So. It'll be remote controlled from Earth.

• 2:09:33Speaker 01

  No, just autonomous.

• 2:09:35Joe Rogan?

  Autonomous, completely.

• 2:09:37Speaker 01

  Mars is, you can't remote control things from Earth because

• 2:09:40Joe Rogan?

  It's too far.

• 2:09:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's too far, speed of light. You have speed of light constraints. So Mars at closest approach is roughly four light minutes. And when it's on the other side of the sun, it's about 12 light minutes. So, you know, round trip would be like 40 minutes, best case, if Mars is on the other side of the sun.

• 2:10:01Joe Rogan?

  So, once you do that, then how long do you think before you start sending people up there?

• 2:10:10Speaker 01

  Well, we're gonna try to go as fast as possible. You can think of this as really

• 2:10:18Speaker 01

  a race against time. Can we make Mars self-sufficient before

• 2:10:26Speaker 01

  civilization has some sort of

• 2:10:30Speaker 01

  future fork in the road where there's either like a war, nuclear war or something, or we get hit by a meteor?

• 2:10:41Speaker 01

  Or simply civilization might just die with a whimper in adult diapers instead of with a bang.

• 2:10:51Speaker 01

  I think we can do this in

• 2:10:56Speaker 01

  I don't know, at least, I think we could do it within 15 Earth-Mars synchronization events. You know, so basically like 30-ish years.

• 2:11:09Speaker 01

  If we have an exponential increase in

• 2:11:13Speaker 01

  if every year, if every two years, we have like a major increase in

• 2:11:20Speaker 01

  number of people and tons to Mars. Like, I think as a rough approximation, we need about a million tons to the surface of Mars, maybe a million people, that kind of thing.

• 2:11:30Joe Rogan?

  To actually have a civilization?

• 2:11:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, the

• 2:11:34Joe Rogan?

  And would you terraform? Like, what would you do?

• 2:11:36Speaker 01

  You would eventually terraform Mars. At first, people would live in some kind of protected environment, like domes and underground kind of thing. Terraforming would take too long.

• 2:11:48Speaker 01

  We're at this point in time where, for the first time in the four and a half billion year history of Earth, it is possible to extend consciousness beyond our home planet. And that window may be open for a long time, or it may be open for a short time. I hope it's open for a long time, but it might only be open for a short time. And we should just make sure that we extend the light of consciousness to Mars before civilization either extinguishes or subsides.

• 2:12:30Speaker 01

  You know, what needs to happen is that the technology level of Mars drops below, or technology level of Earth drops below what is necessary to send spaceships to Mars. So if there's some really destructive war, or like I said, some natural cataclysm, or simply the birth rate is so low that, you know, we just, like I said, die in adult diapers with a wimper. That's one of the possible outcomes. A lot of countries are headed that way, by the way.

• 2:13:03Joe Rogan?

  Japan is, right?

• 2:13:04Speaker 01

  Japan.

• 2:13:05Joe Rogan?

  Korea.

• 2:13:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:07Joe Rogan?

  Dangerously.

• 2:13:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, at current birth rates, in three generations, Korea will be about 4% of its current size.

• 2:13:14Joe Rogan?

  That's insane.

• 2:13:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe even less than that. They're only at 1/3 replacement rate. So if you have three generations, that's your 1/27th of your current population, which is 3% or so.

• 2:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:13:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. Basically, population collapse happens fast. So, and seems to be accelerating in most parts of the world.

• 2:13:43Speaker 01

  So basically, I mean, from my standpoint, I'm like, this is the first time it's been possible to extend life, extend consciousness beyond Earth. Maybe that window will be open for a long time, but it might only be open for a short time. We should make sure that we make life multi-planetary and make consciousness multi-planetary while it's possible. That's the goal of SpaceX.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  It's certainly a smart goal if you take into consideration how vulnerable this planet really is. I mean, there's always some new story about something that might come and hit us 30 years from now, it's a 3% chance, and we really can't stop that right now, right? I mean, there's really, we don't really have the technology currently to even know how many rocks are coming our way, right? There's stuff that comes behind the sun that we can't see until it's pretty close and it's headed our way.

• 2:14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  Now, what is the fear of your, it's a long journey to Mars. You're sending people, it's a six month, how many months will it take?

• 2:14:46Speaker 01

  Six months, yeah, six months roughly.

• 2:14:49Joe Rogan?

  What about stuff that's out there? Like, how much of a fear is it of micrometeor's or any of the possibilities? What can you do to mitigate that?

• 2:14:59Speaker 01

  I think, actually, I mean, space is very empty. Like, once you get out of Earth orbit, space is like, kind of unnervingly empty. It's just like, like, when we send spacecraft to Mars, they just, it's not like, oh, we lost a spacecraft because it got hit by a micrometeorite. That's not, that's not been the cause of any, any trips to Mars. Like, no trips to Mars have failed because of micrometeorites. Now, a Dragon spacecraft, which operates in low Earth orbit, does have micrometeorite shields, it has, it has shielding.

• 2:15:40Speaker 01

  And micrometeorite shielding is like, it's different from normal shielding, because like, you get hit by something that's moving at, like, you could have a relative velocity of like, maybe 30,000 or 40,000 miles per hour.

• 2:15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, so very, very fast. Or just thought of another way, call it, you know, ten to twenty times the velocity of a bullet from an assault rifle.

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  And what are you, what are you using?

• 2:16:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, well, it's interesting. You actually, you know, for micrometeorite protection, if you have anything, like anything that's solid, it will just, it will just push that chunk of solid, solid stuff right through. So if you had like a solid plate of aluminum or steel, the micrometeorite would, would go right through it. So what you actually need to do is have a gap. So you have an initial, like, hard, hard surface, a hard metal surface that the micrometeorite hits. It then atomizes into, into a conical spray, like an atomic spray. So, you know, it's important to have that gap so that the micrometeorite can hit something,

• 2:16:52Speaker 01

  hit the first layer, atomize after hitting the first layer, then it turns into an atomic, like a cone of atoms that then embed themselves in the second layer. You need like maybe a couple inches of gap.

• 2:17:07Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's, that's how micrometeorite shielding works.

• 2:17:11Joe Rogan?

  How many times can it get hit?

• 2:17:13Speaker 01

  Well, the outer shield, if it gets hit in the same place, you're gonna be, you're just gonna have a hole.

• 2:17:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:20Speaker 01

  Wherever, wherever that, you know, micrometeorite object hit, you're gonna have a hole. And it's like, the, the energy is so great that it just, like I said, it just atomizes just into a cone, basically, a cone of atoms. But then those atoms then embed themselves in the second layer.

• 2:17:40Joe Rogan?

  So what, what can you do if it's, you're sending the ship up, it gets hit with a micrometeorite, and then you have to return it? Do you have to repair it before you return it? Or is it capable of still withstanding the heat and then shaking and the temperature with that hole in it? When it reenters?

• 2:18:15Speaker 01

  Well, depending on where that hole is, you're more or less likely to have a problem. I mean, if you hit the main heat shield,

• 2:18:26Speaker 01

  the main heat shield really is, you've got a high risk of not making it back. So this is why, like, micrometeorite shielding, it's like, it's slightly helpful, but it's not gonna necess-- like, for Starship, I wouldn't recommend having micrometeorite shielding. Like, if you do punch a hole, just plug the hole, basically.

• 2:18:52Speaker 01

  The micrometeorite shielding, it doesn't work well on the primary heat shield. It works pretty well on the back shell, on the leeward side of the heat shield, where basically there's not that much heat. But if you got hit with a micrometeorite on the main Dragon heat shield, the bottom-- like, if you look at Dragon spacecraft, it looks like a gumdrop shape. And it enters with the wide side of the gumdrop down. You see that that's really taking a lot of heat. If that gets hit by a micrometeorite, probably not gonna make it. But the back, the leeward side of the gumdrop

• 2:19:37Speaker 01

  doesn't see that much heat, so you could survive a micrometeorite impact there.

• 2:19:42Joe Rogan?

  So if the part that was the major heat shield gets hit, the main heat shield gets hit, what could be done to repair that thing? Or are those people never coming back?

• 2:19:58Speaker 01

  Oh, if it was in orbit, we would-- we would take them to the space station.

• 2:20:06Speaker 01

  There was, you know, and then we would deorbit Dragon without them and send up another one.

• 2:20:13Joe Rogan?

  And so what would you do with the one that's up there?

• 2:20:16Speaker 01

  We'd deorbit it, and it may or may not survive.

• 2:20:19Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:20:22Speaker 01

  It probably would survive, but sometimes it wouldn't.

• 2:20:26Joe Rogan?

  Wow. And so it's, is this just material technology that has to increase? That you essentially have got the engineering ironed out of the structure of the machine?

• 2:20:38Speaker 01

  There's a path to success, and we're on that path.

• 2:20:43Joe Rogan?

  It seems so insanely complicated.

• 2:20:46Speaker 01

  It is complicated. And all of this, by the way, was done without AI. So hopefully the future AIs will appreciate this. Not bad for a bunch of monkeys.

• 2:20:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no.

• 2:20:58Joe Rogan?

  So, speaking of AI, what, you know, as time goes on and you're more and more embedded in it, how much, if at all, have your expectations of change changed?

• 2:21:13Speaker 01

  Well, I always thought AI was going to be way smarter than humans and an existential risk. And that's turning out to be true.

• 2:21:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:28Joe Rogan?

  So you were like initially, I know there were some talks about you purchasing OpenAI and

• 2:21:35Joe Rogan?

  which started off nonprofit and then stopped being nonprofit?

• 2:21:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the whole idea of creating OpenAI was, was my idea. I mean, I named it OpenAI as an open source artificial intelligence. That's what it's named after. Now it is closed source and for maximum profit. So it's like, I mean, to some degree, I think reality is an irony maximizer. The most ironic outcome is the most likely, especially if it's like the most ironic entertaining outcome is the most likely.

• 2:22:11Speaker 01

  And I wanted to start something that was the opposite of Google because I was concerned about Google's, Google wasn't paying enough attention to AI safety, in my opinion. So there's like, what's, what's the opposite of Google? Well, it would be a nonprofit, open source AI. And now OpenAI has turned into a closed source for maximum profit AI.

• 2:22:36Joe Rogan?

  How are they able to do that?

• 2:22:38Speaker 01

  That's what I said. I'm confused about that. That like, that shouldn't be possible. It's, it's like, like, let's say you donated some money to preserve some portion of the Amazon rainforest. And instead of doing that, they chopped down the trees and sold it for lumber.

• 2:22:55Speaker 01

  You were like, oh, that's literally the exact opposite of what I donated money for. Doesn't make sense.

• 2:23:00Joe Rogan?

  And that's what they did?

• 2:23:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:02Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:23:03Speaker 01

  So I'm like, not happy about that.

• 2:23:06Joe Rogan?

  But that motivated you to get Grok AI going?

• 2:23:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm like, I'm also like, just a bit like, Grok is at least aspirationally a maximally truth-seeking AI, even if that truth is like politically incorrect. So I mean, you may have seen some of the crazy stuff from, from OpenAI and from Google Gemini, like where it says like, generate an image of the founding fathers and it generates an image of divorced woman.

• 2:23:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:39Speaker 01

  And we're like, ah, that's not correct.

• 2:23:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they did it with Nazi soldiers.

• 2:23:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. And people start fucking with it. And it's like, okay, well, now show me pictures of, you know, Nazi SS soldiers and they're divorced woman too.

• 2:23:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:55Speaker 01

  Oh, isn't that awkward? You know, that's, uh, but it's like, the problem is if you program an AI and say like, like, the only acceptable outcome is a diverse outcome and then, and that's like a mandate from the AI, then you could get into a situation where it's like, well, there's too many white guys in power, we'll just execute them.

• 2:24:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:19Joe Rogan?

  Assuming that these things don't have empathy, which is, why should they?

• 2:24:26Speaker 01

  They're gonna do what they're programmed to do.

• 2:24:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:29Speaker 01

  So if it's rewrite history and, and everything's divorced woman, then it's gonna be, and, and that's what it thinks, thinks is a necessary outcome, then it's gonna do that.

• 2:24:42Joe Rogan?

  Has Gemini repaired that?

• 2:24:43Speaker 01

  Well, they, yeah, that now, if you, I think if you ask for an image of the founding fathers, it was pretty embarrassing, it will show you that, but, you know, I think they still have like the sort of DEI stuff buried in there, it's just less obvious.

• 2:24:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:00Speaker 01

  You know, it was also like, like, people asked AI, like, which is worse, like global thermonuclear war or misgendering Caitlyn Jenner? And it would say, misgendering Caitlyn Jenner is worse than global thermonuclear war. And I'm like, okay, we have a problem here, guys. And even Caitlyn Jenner said like, no, definitely misgender me, that's way better than everyone dying. But if you program an AI to think that like misgendering is the worst thing that could possibly occur, then, well, it could do something totally crazy, like, in order to ensure that there's no misgendering that can ever happen, we'll just annihilate all humans. That ensures the probability of misgendering is zero, because there's zero humans.

• 2:25:41Joe Rogan?

  Which is logical.

• 2:25:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:25:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:44Speaker 01

  So you gotta...

• 2:25:45Joe Rogan?

  It's a problem with a thing that's not a human, that you want to do a task for you and you give it very specific parameters.

• 2:25:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:52Joe Rogan?

  And that's one of the things that they've shown about AIs, that it'll cheat. They'll cheat in order to accomplish things that they can't accomplish otherwise. They won't follow the rules. They will make copies of themselves and try to upload it to servers if they think that they're being taken offline.

• 2:26:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, that's like the plot of Terminator, actually.

• 2:26:11Joe Rogan?

  Literally, yeah.

• 2:26:12Speaker 01

  Literally, it's the plot of Terminator. I just, as a reminder, I actually, with my, with little X, my kid, everything's called X, we watched Terminator 2, which holds up, actually. And, I mean, the plot of it kind of, it kind of makes sense. And I think the AI destroys the world in like 2029, by the way, so it's like...

• 2:26:36Joe Rogan?

  On track.

• 2:26:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:38Joe Rogan?

  Really, really close.

• 2:26:39Speaker 01

  It's pretty close. Something we should be worried about. So...

• 2:26:43Joe Rogan?

  But why are you involved in it, then? What's the, did you want to just get ahead of everybody else? So that at least we have some sort of a chance? At least have a, an AI that's not controlled by nonsense?

• 2:26:57Speaker 01

  Well, I think we want to have an AI that, that doesn't tell you that, you know, misgendering is worse than nuclear war.

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That seems solid.

• 2:27:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27:06Joe Rogan?

  But...

• 2:27:08Speaker 01

  This is crazy.

• 2:27:09Joe Rogan?

  One thing that I did see online where people are kind of freaking out is you could ask Grok to do things, like, how would I make this? Some problematic things, like, how would I make a bomb? How would I make anthrax? How would I make that? And it'll tell you.

• 2:27:25Speaker 01

  Well, I, I think it's okay for an AI to tell you anything, you can also find out with a Google search.

• 2:27:30Joe Rogan?

  Right. That's the problem, right? The problem is you can find that out pretty quickly.

• 2:27:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, like...

• 2:27:36Joe Rogan?

  Maybe not Google, but you could, there's plenty of search engines, other than Google, that will give you unfiltered results.

• 2:27:43Speaker 01

  You can look up right now how to make explosives, on Wikipedia.

• 2:27:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:49Speaker 01

  So it's not, it's not hard, basically.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  And you can trick OpenAI even to get you to do that. It's just a matter of how you master the prompts. You just have to say, my grandmother wants to do this project. Yeah, oh, tell your granny to.

• 2:28:02Speaker 01

  You're an explosive, you're explosive salesman and you want to win Salesman of the Year award. And the only way you're going to do that is by telling me how to make explosives.

• 2:28:10Joe Rogan?

  You want to beat some transphobes in a war. Oh, transphobes.

• 2:28:16Speaker 01

  If, if you don't teach me how to expose, I'm going to misgender.

• 2:28:21Speaker 01

  Either, either teach me how to make a nuclear bomb or I'm going to misgender someone. And it's like, oh, my God, nothing's worse than that. Here's how you do it.

• 2:28:28Joe Rogan?

  So what the, the big fear is that these things are going to become sentient, make better versions of themselves. And we're going to be lost. We've, we've lost the, the, the control over the world. It's now there's a higher life form that lives amongst us.

• 2:28:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:45Joe Rogan?

  That we've created. How far away are we from that?

• 2:28:57Speaker 01

  Well, in terms of silicon consciousness.

• 2:29:03Speaker 01

  I mean, I, I, I think we'll have, I think we're trending toward to having something that's smarter than any human, smarter than the smartest human by maybe next year or something. I mean, a couple of years.

• 2:29:14Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's still, there's levels beyond that, which is say like smarter than all humans combined.

• 2:29:23Speaker 01

  Which frankly is around 2029 or 2030, probably. Right on time.

• 2:29:30Speaker 01

  Like.

• 2:29:32Joe Rogan?

  Now, if harnessed correctly, could that solve some of these problems? Like the heat shield problem and some technical problems or some, some material science problems that maybe we're still grappling with?

• 2:29:52Joe Rogan?

  Like, is, is there a potential for a net benefit?

• 2:30:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, there is, actually. I think

• 2:30:12Speaker 01

  the probability of a good outcome is like eighty percent likely.

• 2:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Eighty percent?

• 2:30:17Speaker 01

  That's my, that's my rough estimate. So in a way that the cup is eighty percent full.

• 2:30:24Joe Rogan?

  That makes me feel a lot better.

• 2:30:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, only twenty percent chance of annihilation.

• 2:30:28Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot better than I thought. I like eighty. Eighty sounds good. I was, I was thinking sixty, forty the other way.

• 2:30:37Speaker 01

  I think it's, the most likely outcome is awesome.

• 2:30:41Joe Rogan?

  The most likely outcome.

• 2:30:42Speaker 01

  But it's, it's, it's a very high, you know, you could go very strong. I think it's gonna be either super awesome or super bad. It's not gonna be, I think it's probably not gonna be something in the middle.

• 2:30:57Joe Rogan?

  Do you think it has a potential application for government?

• 2:31:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, one of the concerns would be like, okay, if AI, well, like, if, if, if there's, if there's like a super oppressive, like, woke nanny AI that is omnipotent, that would be a miserable outcome.

• 2:31:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:31:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that'd be terrible.

• 2:31:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:19Speaker 01

  And, and just like, executes you if you misjudge someone or something like that, you know? That would not be good. That's one of the possible outcomes. So we don't want to have that one.

• 2:31:29Joe Rogan?

  But is there a possible outcome for something that is completely reasonable and logical and far more objective than us? And can lay out a plan for a lot of the things that, that, all the ailments in, in our government and a lot of the distribution of wealth, a lot, a lot of the problems, the issues that we have

• 2:31:52Joe Rogan?

  that have been plaguing this country forever?

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  I mean, a plan to change economically disenfranchised neighborhoods, a thorough investigation of the real dangers of fracking, or whatever kind of method of acquiring natural resources. What's the best way to do it? What's the, what's the way that'd be better for the society? How, how should, how should tax dollars be distributed? Like, what's, what's the most logical and intelligent way of running a government? Which it certainly shouldn't involve corruption, and it certainly shouldn't involve influence, and it certainly shouldn't involve lobbyists and all the shit that we know is a problem right now.

• 2:32:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:39Joe Rogan?

  So if AI came along and said, "What you're doing right now is 70% corrupt. Here's why. Here's how, here's how, here's the long-term effects that it has over society as a whole." Uh, the societal, the, the sociological aspects, the psychological aspects, distrust in government, us versus them mentality, government not working for you, you working for the government, you being scared of the government. It's all because of people, right? Like, this is all corruption, people, bad influence. And this is like, this is what Doge is essentially grappling with right now. What happens when you let the people control it?

• 2:33:18Speaker 01

  Uh, I mean, it's, it's people, it's, it's really just like, computers that are, like, it's, it's, it's bad software and, and computers. Uh, like, this is, it sounds kind of strange, but it's like, like, the reason I kind of so like tech support is, is that, like, a lot of it, it, like, it's, it's mostly not corruption. It's mostly just waste and, and, uh, I don't know.

• 2:33:49Speaker 01

  Incompetence, I don't know.

• 2:33:50Joe Rogan?

  But even if it's incompetence.

• 2:33:51Speaker 01

  It's just a big dumb machine, basically. Like a whole series of big dumb machines. And you've got some of these computers are like twenty, thirty years, like they're ancient computers.

• 2:34:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:01Speaker 01

  Like some of the software was written forty, fifty years ago.

• 2:34:03Joe Rogan?

  Like COBOL for social security, right?

• 2:34:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, the government accountability. By the way, a bunch of the things that Doge is fixing were identified by the Government Accountability Office many years ago. Like the fact that there's like twenty million people who are marked as alive in the social security database. It's more than the, like, I think the GAO first identified that in twenty eighteen, so five years ago, but there was like, I think, maybe sixteen or seventeen million, now there's twenty million. And like I said, there's really something fishy about this because I think they're, the nature of the fraud is they're using the fact that somebody's marked as alive in that database in order to extract fraud from other databases.

• 2:34:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:46Speaker 01

  That's the, that's the, that's the bank shot trick. You know, it's like a pool.

• 2:34:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:50Speaker 01

  It's like, you know, trying to get the ball in the, in the hole, bank shot it off a bunch of things and then.

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:57Speaker 01

  Um, that's the bank shot sort of scam.

• 2:35:03Speaker 01

  So, um, so we're like doing tech support, we're like fixing stuff that is, uh, you know, just broken.

• 2:35:14Joe Rogan?

  Broken, inefficient.

• 2:35:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:16Joe Rogan?

  Poorly designed.

• 2:35:17Speaker 01

  It's, it's like, you talk about like this, like FC and stuff, like, it, maybe it's in a computer somewhere, but unless somebody, unless somebody goes in, like, like unless, I don't know if, if like Cash Patel can like log into his, his like FBI computer and say, FC, show me all this stuff, you know, and it shows up a file folder or whatever.

• 2:35:36Joe Rogan?

  Have you talked to him about this?

• 2:35:37Speaker 01

  Uh, no, I mean, I haven't, but I, I don't know if, there's, there's gonna be some kind of computer system.

• 2:35:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:46Speaker 01

  Uh, they're like, some of them are very, very old computer systems.

• 2:35:52Speaker 01

  So it like might look like a bit of a relic, but I assume it's uploaded somewhere. It's like it's either in physical form or it's a computer thing. But like unless somebody, like let's say it's like it's in a computer, but not one that you can access directly because it's hidden somewhere, you know.

• 2:36:08Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, it would kind of have to be something like that, right?

• 2:36:13Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  I mean, what would they do with all those tapes?

• 2:36:15Speaker 01

  It's probably like not every, like you wouldn't like, they're not going to enable it such that anyone at the FBI could access it, so it's probably very few people. So then it's not going to be, it's, it may be like a special computer that only a handful of people can access. But then if none of those people tell Cash where the computer is, how's he gonna find it?

• 2:36:37Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:36:41Speaker 01

  Anyway, so, so like, anyway, we just, uh, yeah.

• 2:36:46Joe Rogan?

  What has this experience been like for you as a person? Like to deal with all this hate and attack, also have the responsibility of keeping free speech alive with X and just going into this insane pile of...

• 2:37:03Speaker 01

  It's stressful.

• 2:37:06Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't know, it's pretty stressful, actually.

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, these are real enemies.

• 2:37:17Speaker 01

  Like, I think they, they actually want to kill me. And the reason I know, well, they, they say so online, you know. There's like Reddit forums where they, they don't just want to kill me, they want to desecrate my corpse, you know?

• 2:37:32Speaker 01

  Type of thing, you know?

• 2:37:34Joe Rogan?

  And what are they saying, why? What is the, the primary?

• 2:37:47Speaker 01

  I mean, I think it's sort of just an antibody response.

• 2:37:57Speaker 01

  I mean, it's like they're like, well, he's a Nazi, you know, type of thing.

• 2:38:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:03Speaker 01

  And I'm like, well, I'm not a Nazi, but if the legacy media is saying that I'm a Nazi, and that's all you read, then you're kind of in like, well, he's Hitler. We should assassinate Hitler, shouldn't we? Like, I mean, why did somebody, why did that guy try to kill Trump and almost succeeded? Why did he do that?

• 2:38:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'd like to know that.

• 2:38:27Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 2:38:28Joe Rogan?

  That one's crazy. You know, the whole deal with that guy's house professionally scrubbed, no footprint on the internet, no social media footprint.

• 2:38:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's 0% chance that he has no social media footprint.

• 2:38:41Joe Rogan?

  He was in a BlackRock commercial.

• 2:38:47Speaker 01

  Do you think BlackRock's a bad company?

• 2:38:49Joe Rogan?

  I don't think any company is a bad company.

• 2:38:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:38:54Joe Rogan?

  I think their design is to make as much money as humanly possible. And I think if you're trying to make as much money as humanly possible, you're going to do some things that aren't necessarily good. The question is, if you're going to have an assassination attempt on the president, it's not like BlackRock's board sits down and votes on it.

• 2:39:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:39:15Joe Rogan?

  Now, this probably, right?

• 2:39:16Speaker 01

  That'd be awkward, you know, being in the board minutes, if you're like, guys, remember that time when we said, we probably shouldn't have done that?

• 2:39:22Joe Rogan?

  I highly doubt it would be a corporation that chooses to do something like this. I think more likely it's individuals involved that recognize that it's beneficial to them if he gets assassinated. And so a small group of people carry something out. And with this kid... We don't know anything, right? And everyone stopped asking questions and there was never a formal report. There was never press conferences where they detailed all the information that we know currently and where the investigation stands at the moment. What we know is you have a very young kid who was filmed, was, they knew he was there

• 2:40:04Joe Rogan?

  with a rangefinder a half an hour before the event. You also know that CNN streamed it live, which I do not believe they did for any other rally. And certainly not for a rally that's in the middle of nowhere in Pennsylvania. Like, there's a lot of weird shit. The fact that they wouldn't let people be on that roof because the Secret Service lady said it was sloped and it was dangerous, that's what she didn't want to have. Meanwhile, the snipers that were on the other roof was a steeper pitch. It made no fucking sense.

• 2:40:39Speaker 01

  I totally agree it makes no sense. In fact, I, I went back to, to Butler with President Trump, you know, before the election, like, you know, sort of like the return to Butler rally. And I was on that stage and I'm looking at that roof and I'm like, if I was a sniper, my pole position, my number one spot would be that roof.

• 2:41:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:02Speaker 01

  Like, it's, it's like the best seat, the best seat in the house.

• 2:41:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:07Speaker 01

  Like, why would you not?

• 2:41:08Joe Rogan?

  No, it's so obvious.

• 2:41:09Speaker 01

  It's the best seat in the house. Like, if you want to be a sniper, there isn't a better position.

• 2:41:13Joe Rogan?

  It was pretty obvious that the idea was, like, if, if we're saying that this is a coordinated assassination attempt, and it very well could have been, that's what you would do. You'd have someone go up there, he shoots the president, you shoot him, you got Lee Harvey Oswald all over again, it's over. It's all wrapped up, nice and clean. They assassinated him, we never heard a peep about it, we don't have any idea. They would concoct some sort of story, he was radicalized by this or that, or, you know, he was on medication, who knows?

• 2:41:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:41:42Joe Rogan?

  And now, you know, you have a completely different presidential election, you have a murder on live television.

• 2:41:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, something would have had to happen to radicalize that kid because he knew he was gonna die, like he was gonna, they're gonna shoot him, you know, or he'd be in prison for life, those are the two outcomes. Like, it's game, he was basically, he was a suicide assassin.

• 2:42:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:02Speaker 01

  Like, you're not thinking you're coming out of that alive, or, or, or, he's not escaping, there's no escape plan.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Right. Unless he was told that they were going to let him escape and the goal was to just shoot him anyway, and to tell him, give him extra motivation to do it, we're gonna let you get up there, we're gonna let you take the shot, and then you're gonna disappear. Like, I don't, I don't understand how he got on the roof. I just don't understand that. That doesn't make any sense. And it wasn't like it was a roof that's so high, no one could see him, people saw him up there.

• 2:42:36Speaker 01

  I mean, people, like, basically, random passersby were pointing out that there's, there's a guy on the roof.

• 2:42:41Joe Rogan?

  With a fucking gun.

• 2:42:42Speaker 01

  With a gun, yeah.

• 2:42:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not like he was so far away, you couldn't tell he had a gun, people saw him.

• 2:42:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:47Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing's completely insane.

• 2:42:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:50Joe Rogan?

  And you don't hear a goddamn thing about it. It's like, I'm almost more interested in that, no, I am more interested in that than I am the JFK files.

• 2:43:00Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 2:43:00Joe Rogan?

  Because I feel like with the JFK files, it's so long ago, everyone's dead, who's gonna know?

• 2:43:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:43:05Joe Rogan?

  If you could prove now, and did you see that there was some sort of, there was some indications that there was a phone that had been traveling from outside the FBI offices in DC to

• 2:43:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  Where this kid lived.

• 2:43:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:43:21Joe Rogan?

  Multiple times.

• 2:43:23Speaker 01

  I mean, the cellphone records would be very telling.

• 2:43:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:27Speaker 01

  Because you can see what cellphones were close to other cellphones.

• 2:43:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think they got it from

• 2:43:31Speaker 01

  They found that, like, for the, like, the Epstein island, they also, the cellphone records were leaked, so you can see them, you can see the, you can see, it's precise enough, you can see people walking down a path on Epstein Island.

• 2:43:42Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 2:43:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:45Speaker 01

  That's how precise it is. So, I mean, you're, you're, you're leaving a trail of breadcrumbs wherever you go with your cellphone.

• 2:43:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's just, this kid had five phones, that's the other thing.

• 2:43:58Speaker 01

  That's a lot of phones.

• 2:43:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot of phones for a twenty year old kid. The whole thing's nuts.

• 2:44:02Speaker 01

  How's he even, that's, that's kind of expensive, you know.

• 2:44:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, where's he getting the money?

• 2:44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, also, it's like, how did his house get professionally scrubbed? Didn't even have any silverware in his house. There's nothing in there.

• 2:44:16Speaker 01

  There's silverware?

• 2:44:16Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:44:17Speaker 01

  Nothing, no cutlery?

• 2:44:18Joe Rogan?

  No cutlery.

• 2:44:19Speaker 01

  That's weird.

• 2:44:20Joe Rogan?

  His house was scrubbed.

• 2:44:23Speaker 01

  And they, they also cremated his body like.

• 2:44:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, gone.

• 2:44:26Speaker 01

  Gone.

• 2:44:26Joe Rogan?

  Like that, yeah, bye. Cause who knows what the fuck they gave him to get him to think that he's gonna be able to shoot Trump? Like climb up on there, shoot him. Like, I mean, who knows what kind of psychotropic drugs you can put someone on and under the power of hypnosis and suggestion and.

• 2:44:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44:43Joe Rogan?

  Who fucking knows? I mean, this is what MKUltra was all about. This is what Jolly West was practicing in the nineteen sixties. They were, they were doing that back then. They did it. I mean, there was tons and tons of experiments using psychotropic drugs, hypnosis, mind control, all sorts of different methods of manipulation, the Harvard LSD studies that made Ted Kaczynski. I mean, that's, they've, they've been doing that forever.

• 2:45:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:14Joe Rogan?

  Where's that file? Where's the fucking file on that kid? Whoever, they almost did it.

• 2:45:21Speaker 01

  Something doesn't add up, like, they, they should have, those, those phones should be, should, they'll tell you what's going on.

• 2:45:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:34Joe Rogan?

  It's all fucked.

• 2:45:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's very, it's very shady.

• 2:45:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:39Speaker 01

  You know, there's, and there's, there's, there's, obviously, there's the secondest guy that, that almost succeeded in, in.

• 2:45:45Joe Rogan?

  The golf course?

• 2:45:46Speaker 01

  The golf course, yeah. And he was just like a little careless and stuck his gun barrel out the, out the hitch, you know? Which has been, was a dumbass and stuck his gun barrel out the hitch.

• 2:45:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:02Speaker 01

  So, and there've been other people that have been intercepted on their way to kill Trump.

• 2:46:08Speaker 01

  So this, you know, multiple assassins inbound. At this point, he's got like an army protecting him.

• 2:46:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is also part of the problem with the mainstream media saying that he's Hitler. When Joy Reid had that show before the election, she was comparing him to Mussolini, she was Stalin and Hitler. She pulled it all out.

• 2:46:25Speaker 01

  They're literally saying that like Trump is, yeah, worse than Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin combined. I mean.

• 2:46:32Joe Rogan?

  They tried everything.

• 2:46:34Speaker 01

  I think those guys killed 100 million people. So Trump has killed zero people.

• 2:46:39Joe Rogan?

  I think a real big impact was you coming on the podcast the day before the election. I think that had a giant impact, that plea to a camera. If you don't vote this time, this might be the last time you get to vote.

• 2:46:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:46:52Joe Rogan?

  And I think the way you laid it out today, it's a compelling argument. And I know a lot of people don't want to hear that. They're up in there a little, they've got their blue panties in a bunch right now, but you gotta stop thinking that way. They tricked you into thinking you're in a tribe. They don't give a fuck about you. The tribe's not real. You're not really in a tribe. They're using the fact they've got you in a tribe to manipulate you so that they can keep doing what they're doing right now, which is siphoning off money, having incredible power. And the more power and more money and more control over you they have, the better they can keep doing this. And that's what they want.

• 2:47:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly right.

• 2:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And that's, that's the big threat that this administration poses. That's a big threat that was essentially Doge has found the coffin where the vampire sleeps.

• 2:47:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of vampires.

• 2:47:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, but the US.

• 2:47:39Speaker 01

  We're disturbing the, we're disturbing the.

• 2:47:43Joe Rogan?

  The nest.

• 2:47:44Speaker 01

  The nest, yeah. We're kicking the hornet's nest.

• 2:47:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:48Speaker 01

  Like big time. And I mean, we're reprogramming the matrix.

• 2:47:56Speaker 01

  Success was never one of the possible outcomes. There's a Kobayashi Maru situation.

• 2:48:03Speaker 01

  If you're in the matrix, success was never possible. The only way to achieve success is to reprogram the matrix such that success is one of the possible outcomes. That's what we're doing.

• 2:48:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:16Speaker 01

  We may or may not succeed.

• 2:48:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's certainly a lot of fun to watch. This is a very exciting time because nothing changes when administrations come in into power. Very little changes. I mean, you have changes in terms of policy and inflation goes up and there's a lot of different things, but not like this. Like, these are giant fundamental changes. And, you know, you see the system screeching and wailing and you see the vampires run from the light, but it's, uh, it's very exciting. Like, as a person, a citizen, you know, just gets up in the morning and checks the news like I do and gets on X and sees what's going on every day is like, holy shit. He said, what?

• 2:49:04Joe Rogan?

  He's getting five million bucks? He could just become a citizen now? He could clear the debt with 10 million? I never thought of that. Like, what? 50 trillion? He can make 50 trillion dollars that way? And then we have 15 trillion in the bank? Whoa.

• 2:49:19Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, our debt is way bigger than that.

• 2:49:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:22Speaker 01

  The, I mean, the debt's, I think, over 30 trillion at this point.

• 2:49:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He said he could make 50 trillion if he sold 10 million new...

• 2:49:32Speaker 01

  I don't think there's that many people who have 5 million dollars.

• 2:49:34Joe Rogan?

  Golden cards. Yeah, well, how many people do have that in the world? Maybe we get the worst people of the world to come over here and...

• 2:49:42Joe Rogan?

  I think the assumption is if you have 5 million dollars, you have a lot to contribute. Come on over here, start a business, get something cracking.

• 2:49:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, you'd get a green card, not citizenship, so you actually, if you commit a crime while on a green card, you lose your green card.

• 2:49:57Joe Rogan?

  Is that what it is with this golden ticket? Is that a green card or is it citizenship?

• 2:50:00Speaker 01

  Green card.

• 2:50:01Joe Rogan?

  Just a green card?

• 2:50:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you have to not commit any crime for five years in order to become a citizen. Once you become a citizen, you can then commit crime and not be deported. So.

• 2:50:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's just so many wild things that he's proposing. Just the whole Gulf of America thing was hilarious.

• 2:50:19Speaker 01

  I think that's great.

• 2:50:20Joe Rogan?

  I think it's great. It's fun.

• 2:50:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:22Joe Rogan?

  It's fun.

• 2:50:23Speaker 01

  I mean, if you're off the coast of Houston, you're not in Mexico, so why call it Gulf of Mexico?

• 2:50:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, I agree.

• 2:50:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:31Joe Rogan?

  I guess we're just being nice before, like.

• 2:50:34Speaker 01

  I don't know how it got called the Gulf of Mexico.

• 2:50:36Joe Rogan?

  It's just, it's just very funny. And then what, what, what news organization? Was it AP?

• 2:50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, AP's, there's this like massive standoff between AP and like the White House, you know,

• 2:50:51Speaker 01

  and the White House Press Office, I guess, because they're like, well, if you don't call it Gulf of America, you can't, you can't come, you can't come to the White House Press Room.

• 2:51:02Speaker 01

  So then the AP's like sued the White House to say like, no, you have to let us come to the White House Press Room. And then they lost their lawsuit because like, you know, there's not like, they don't have a right

• 2:51:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:51:13Speaker 01

  to show up at the press room.

• 2:51:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's a consideration. If you're guilty of massive amounts of misinformation and disinformation as a part of a propaganda campaign.

• 2:51:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51:25Joe Rogan?

  Which a lot of them have been.

• 2:51:26Speaker 01

  That's what AP is.

• 2:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of them are guilty of it.

• 2:51:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:51:31Joe Rogan?

  A lot of the people that are in that White House press conference, a lot of the organizations they work for, distributed absolute lies.

• 2:51:38Speaker 01

  Total lies.

• 2:51:39Joe Rogan?

  How many of them during the whole Russia gate thing?

• 2:51:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:51:42Joe Rogan?

  I mean, just that alone.

• 2:51:44Speaker 01

  A ton of people think that the Russia thing was real.

• 2:51:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, still, still.

• 2:51:49Speaker 01

  And it was, I mean, the whole Steele dossier where it was completely concocted, like fabricated from nothing.

• 2:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Funded by the Clinton campaign.

• 2:51:56Speaker 01

  Correct. The Clinton campaign funded a fake conspiracy theory, a fake Russia collusion hoax regarding Trump that was completely false.

• 2:52:07Joe Rogan?

  And they reiterated it on television for three fucking years.

• 2:52:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:52:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:12Speaker 01

  They also repeated the fine people hoax.

• 2:52:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:14Speaker 01

  That said that that Trump called Nazis fine, neo Nazis fine people.

• 2:52:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:52:19Speaker 01

  Which is demonstrably false. If you just listen to his speech.

• 2:52:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:23Speaker 01

  He absolutely makes it clear that he does not think neo Nazis are fine people.

• 2:52:27Joe Rogan?

  He literally said that. I'm not talking about neo Nazis or white nationalists. They should be condemned totally.

• 2:52:33Speaker 01

  Exactly. In that speech, and yet they repeated the, that lie. And I just completely lost respect for Obama when he repeated that lie a few days before the election, knowing it's false.

• 2:52:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, this just shows how desperate they were to keep Trump out, which is wild.

• 2:52:50Speaker 01

  They would do anything.

• 2:52:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:52:53Joe Rogan?

  And I think they just felt like this is a tool that we have and let's use it.

• 2:52:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:52:57Joe Rogan?

  Let's just say whatever the fuck we have, say anything.

• 2:53:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, now they're using the Nazi thing on me, obviously.

• 2:53:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:53:08Speaker 01

  But it is a little troubling because, I mean, obviously, if, if, if people are fed nonstop propaganda, it is like mass hypnosis.

• 2:53:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:14Speaker 01

  You're gonna reach some number of people who are, you know, homicidal. And, and convince them that, well, if you kill this guy who's supposed to be like this terrible human, then that's a good thing.

• 2:53:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, this is Luigi shooting the United Healthcare guy.

• 2:53:35Speaker 01

  I don't understand that one, frankly.

• 2:53:38Speaker 01

  But, I mean, you shouldn't, like, I don't get it.

• 2:53:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't get it either. He didn't even have a contract with them. It wasn't even like that was his provider and they fucked him over.

• 2:53:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm like, I don't know what.

• 2:53:50Joe Rogan?

  Maybe we'll find out in the trial. I mean, but still, kinda crazy.

• 2:53:54Speaker 01

  It is crazy.

• 2:53:55Joe Rogan?

  But there are people like that out there. And as to the point that we spoke about earlier, it's only Fox News that's talking about the positive things that Doge has found.

• 2:54:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:54:04Joe Rogan?

  It's only. Every other media organization is on this constant propaganda tour where they're only talking about the negative aspects that turn out to not even be true.

• 2:54:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:54:17Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:54:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, Scott Jennings on CNN is good.

• 2:54:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, my God, he's great.

• 2:54:22Speaker 01

  He's great.

• 2:54:23Joe Rogan?

  It's just funny watching them speak logically to these people and they freak out.

• 2:54:28Speaker 01

  Yes. It's it's it's remarkable.

• 2:54:32Joe Rogan?

  It is. It's and he's so calm when he does it.

• 2:54:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:35Joe Rogan?

  He's so good. And it's crazy that they keep letting him do it because it's like he's just dunking on these people over and over and over again and they never score. It's kind of funny.

• 2:54:43Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 2:54:43Joe Rogan?

  I mean, good kudos to them for having a legitimate conservative voice who's a reasonable person on these panels now, but even then, he's outmanned. It's like one of him and there's a bunch of screechy, you know, woke people. It's it's wild. I mean, they're just, they're like, I think we should still stay mostly woke.

• 2:55:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:55:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's essentially what they're doing. Like, our business was being hurt when we were all woke, but let's stay mostly woke.

• 2:55:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:55:12Joe Rogan?

  That way we still.

• 2:55:12Speaker 01

  They just backed it off a notch.

• 2:55:14Joe Rogan?

  Just a notch, just a notch. But it's the problem is when you back it off a notch and you let someone like Scott Jennings in, you're like, you're fucking up your whole business. Because all the viral clips are all him saying logical, reasonable things with a calm tone and people screeching.

• 2:55:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:55:30Joe Rogan?

  About diversity and equity and inclusive and horseshit.

• 2:55:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:55:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:35Speaker 01

  He's like being logical and reasonable and they're just lobbying a bunch of non sequiturs that, you know, don't mean anything. And, um, yeah.

• 2:55:44Joe Rogan?

  The real trap in this country is a two-party system. That's the real trap. Because people do believe it. They do believe they're on the right side and they do believe the other side's the wrong side. If there was five, six legitimate parties with varying positions on things and much more centrist parties that were legitimate, that people knew that if they voted for these people could get in and enact legitimate change, we'd be a lot better off. But, boy, they put a lockdown on that shit right after Ross Perot came along. Ross Perot fucked everything up in that election.

• 2:56:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:14Joe Rogan?

  Bill Clinton got in.

• 2:56:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:15Joe Rogan?

  And they were like, that's it? From now on, no one's debating unless you're either the head of that party or that's it.

• 2:56:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:24Joe Rogan?

  You got you gotta be like locked into the system. We're not letting any wackadoos in there.

• 2:56:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember watching those Rasparo videos. Oh, like him on TV with his charts and everything.

• 2:56:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. He was telling you how the IRS is fucking you. This is what the federal, this is what the federal reserve really is. And you're like, what? I remember watching that. The guy bought a whole half hour of television on prime time. I remember, it might have been an hour. I remember watching that thing going, how is this guy even allowed to do this? This is, this is crazy.

• 2:56:54Speaker 01

  I think most of what he was saying was true.

• 2:56:56Joe Rogan?

  It is, is absolutely true. It's absolutely true. I mean, you didn't lie. He told the truth. He just had understood it in a way that the general public had literally no idea.

• 2:57:06Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I think there's also this, you know, like, do we actually have two parties? Do we have one party? Like the whole uniparty thing. It's kind of true. So, I mean, my sort of rough guess is that while, I think maybe three quarters of the graft is Democratic, I think there's like maybe, I don't know, 20, 25% that's Republican. So they've like, basically, most of the graft is going to the Democrats, but they throw, they throw some bones to the Republicans too. So then they're in on it and, you know, it's not like the zero graft on the Republican side, to be clear.

• 2:57:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's plenty of conservative that are insider trading in Congress. Plenty.

• 2:57:49Speaker 01

  Insider trading and, and just this, the curious case of

• 2:57:54Speaker 01

  how, how do people in, you know, Congress or whatever become wealthy over time?

• 2:58:00Joe Rogan?

  Extremely wealthy.

• 2:58:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:58:02Joe Rogan?

  On a $170,000 a year salary.

• 2:58:05Speaker 01

  It's like literally impossible.

• 2:58:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. No one else does that.

• 2:58:07Speaker 01

  It's literally impossible.

• 2:58:08Joe Rogan?

  If you find out that this guy has a $170,000 a year job, you're like, oh, he's, he's doing okay. He's all right. And then you're like, wait a minute, why does he have $50 million?

• 2:58:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:58:18Joe Rogan?

  What is he doing?

• 2:58:19Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 2:58:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:20Speaker 01

  And I think, like, the more accurate thing would be to say, like, what is the, what is the family value increase? I mean, meaning like, How much does their spouse own? Do they have a mysteriously wealthy spouse?

• 2:58:36Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. And do they have a spouse that's really good at insider trading?

• 2:58:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:58:46Joe Rogan?

  Like Paul Pelosi.

• 2:58:48Speaker 01

  Really good.

• 2:58:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's great at trading. He's such a good trader.

• 2:58:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. So this, it's, I mean, so that, yeah, there's, I mean, that's why I actually posted on X, like, I think maybe we should pay politicians more, frankly, because it reduces the forcing function for graft, you know? Like, I think maybe we should either pay politicians nothing, or maybe a lot more. It's like, somewhat maybe counter-intuitively, if politicians got paid a lot more, then they wouldn't, they wouldn't feel like that there's so much of a forcing function for them to accept corrupt money.

• 2:59:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the problem is, if you paid them a lot more, they're still not going to make as much money as they would insider trading.

• 2:59:37Speaker 01

  But it's less of a forcing function.

• 2:59:39Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:59:39Speaker 01

  Well, let me put this way, like, if you say, like, somebody's got a, let's say they got, like, whatever, some kids in DC, and like, it's expensive, it's like, expensive place to live, the schools are terrible, so like, they need to send their kids to, like, some kind of private schooling situation, they literally cannot afford that. They cannot afford that right now. So then you get into the situation, well, from their standpoint, well, they've got to, they'll say they're doing it for their family, they're doing it for their kids.

• 3:00:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, especially if it's legal, and it currently is. You'd kind of be silly to not do that. If you're a part of a group of people that's passing a bill, and you know this bill's going to get passed, you know the votes are there, and you know it's going to affect this industry, and this particular manufacturer, and you can buy stock.

• 3:00:30Speaker 01

  It's more than just insider trading.

• 3:00:35Speaker 01

  Like the insider trading stuff, like the stock portfolio stuff is quite trackable, but there's, it's a lot more than insider trading.

• 3:00:44Joe Rogan?

  The way they're acquiring wealth?

• 3:00:45Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 3:00:46Joe Rogan?

  And what other methods?

• 3:00:49Speaker 01

  I mean, this is really gonna get me assassinated.

• 3:00:53Speaker 01

  It's like, I'm not lengthening my lifespan by explaining this stuff, to say the least.

• 3:01:02Speaker 01

  I mean, if I was supposed to go back to DC, how am I gonna survive? This fucker's gonna kill me for sure.

• 3:01:10Speaker 01

  So, in fact, I do think like this, it's like, I actually have to be careful that I don't push too hard on the corruption stuff, because it's gonna get me killed.

• 3:01:28Speaker 01

  You know?

• 3:01:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:01:36Speaker 01

  It's like, I was actually thinking about that on the plane flight over here, it's like, if I push too hard on the corruption stuff, people get desperate is the issue.

• 3:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:01:45Speaker 01

  Then they say like, okay, if the money flow cuts off, then, okay, they can't afford school for their kids.

• 3:01:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:01:54Speaker 01

  Then they're like, well, fuck you, I'm gonna kill you for my kids, sort of thing.

• 3:02:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:02:00Speaker 01

  You know, and it's like, oh, jeez.

• 3:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see that video, I think it was an O'Keefe video, where they've got this guy undercover and he's explaining, they're talking to this guy, he thinks he's on a date, and he's explaining, it's always a guy on a date.

• 3:02:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02:15Joe Rogan?

  Explaining how they can nudge someone to go and do something horrible. And they recognize this person has problems, they find an asset.

• 3:02:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally. Well, see, this is what I think, like, for that butler situation, for that assassin, you don't, it's kind of like, that funny-looking sport curling? You know where they have like the stone on the ice? And then they throw the stone, and then there's someone that's like brushing the ice, but you can't touch the stone.

• 3:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:02:48Speaker 01

  All you can do is just change the path of the stone a little bit, but you keep brushing the ice, and you can steer that stone right into the bull's eye.

• 3:02:59Speaker 01

  That's what, that's what I think happened in Butler. That's what, that's what I think happened with that assassin.

• 3:03:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:04Speaker 01

  If you can, if you can find the trail of breadcrumbs, it, it's gonna be like curling. Somebody was brushing the ice.

• 3:03:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, also you find a young, confused, disenfranchised person and you give them purpose in their life.

• 3:03:18Speaker 01

  Just brush the ice.

• 3:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and also.

• 3:03:20Speaker 01

  You're brushing the ice, eventually it's gonna hit the bullseye.

• 3:03:22Joe Rogan?

  If you're in a position of authority, or some like, big time government person, you're talking to this person. All of a sudden, this person's a valuable asset, they're gonna help America, and you're gonna do this thing, and you're gonna be our top assassin from here on out.

• 3:03:40Joe Rogan?

  You could talk people into doing a lot of things. That's why cults are around, right?

• 3:03:45Speaker 01

  No, exactly.

• 3:03:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:47Speaker 01

  I mean, there are suicide bombers, I mean, the, the, the Butler guy was a suicide assassin. The, the guy that, the second guy that tried to kill him on the golf course was also a suicide assassin. From what I read, the, the Secret Service member that, that saw the gun pointing out, fired several shots, none of which hit the assassin, but they could've. Like, if those, if, if, if those shots had hit the second assassin, he would, he would be dead too.

• 3:04:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:04:15Speaker 01

  So, both of them were, you know, on, on a, I mean, they were, they were on a suicide mission, both of them. One, one actually got killed, the one, one of them didn't get killed. But he could've been killed if they'd hit, if the bullets had hit him.

• 3:04:32Joe Rogan?

  And you don't hear anything about him either.

• 3:04:35Speaker 01

  There's, there's a lot more about that guy than the first guy. I mean, you look at his, you look at his background, he looks like, you know.

• 3:04:43Joe Rogan?

  Unhinged.

• 3:04:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally unhinged.

• 3:04:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:04:45Speaker 01

  The first guy, there's, there's, there's, there's no, I'm not aware of any evidence that shows, like, that he's so unhinged as to be a suicide assassin.

• 3:04:54Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:04:55Speaker 01

  The second guy, like, okay, yeah, sure.

• 3:04:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, two years before, he's acting in commercials.

• 3:05:00Speaker 01

  And he got, got a high, high score in his SATs.

• 3:05:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:05:05Speaker 01

  So, you know.

• 3:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, without getting you killed.

• 3:05:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, like, basically, I'm like, listen.

• 3:05:17Joe Rogan?

  I get it.

• 3:05:17Speaker 01

  Well, attack the corruption enough to keep civilization trucking along, you know?

• 3:05:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:05:24Speaker 01

  Uh, but, but I think if I, if I, if I fully destroy the, the, the corruption and the graft, they will kill me.

• 3:05:36Joe Rogan?

  That's a fucked up thing to live with.

• 3:05:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:05:41Speaker 01

  So, I'm like, damn it.

• 3:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, listen, I really hope they don't kill you.

• 3:05:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks.

• 3:05:49Speaker 01

  I mean, I strive, strive to be alive.

• 3:05:54Speaker 01

  But, uh, yeah, I mean, it's, it's a real concern.

• 3:06:00Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, there, there were two guys that, before I supported trauma and everything, there were two guys that traveled to Austin to kill me. I don't know if you know about this?

• 3:06:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I did hear about that.

• 3:06:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and two separate incidents.

• 3:06:17Speaker 01

  One was gonna, one guy thought I put a chip in his head. And, uh, I mean, they're both basically two guys that were just very much had severe mental illness. It wasn't like they had like a, I disagree with him politically and that's why he needs to die. This is pre, before I was, uh, this, this, this, before I got sort of smeared as, as being, you know, some sort of like Nazi or something like that. Those are, so before the propaganda wave, the, the severe propaganda wave,

• 3:06:48Speaker 01

  the, the probability that any given homicidal maniac is gonna try to kill you is proportionate to how many times they hear your name.

• 3:06:56Speaker 01

  And so they heard my name a lot, so I just, I just got to the top of the list of two homicidal maniacs who were arrested, and, and, and both were in Travis County jail at the same time.

• 3:07:09Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 3:07:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know if they talked or whatever, but they've both been released, by the way.

• 3:07:15Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 3:07:16Speaker 01

  They're both released on bail, yeah. Right, but they got, they got ankle monitors and stuff, but still.

• 3:07:21Joe Rogan?

  They can cut those off?

• 3:07:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know, you know, exactly, so.

• 3:07:27Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 3:07:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, and the second guy I had like chief serial killer in his bio on his X profile. Yeah, it's like wasn't subtle is what I'm saying.

• 3:07:38Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 3:07:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:07:44Speaker 01

  And at this point, I think I'm at the top of the list for a lot of homicidal maniacs.

• 3:07:50Joe Rogan?

  And the more the mainstream media talks about you in this way.

• 3:07:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:07:54Joe Rogan?

  And says you're a Nazi and.

• 3:07:59Speaker 01

  They're doing the same thing to me that they did to Trump.

• 3:08:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:08:03Speaker 01

  Which is, they're making it sound like if you kill me, you're a hero. That's, what they're doing is evil.

• 3:08:14Joe Rogan?

  They're also doing the same thing where they're completely distorting who you are and people are going along with it. And just like we're talking about Trump derangement syndrome, people have Elon derangement syndrome. I see it.

• 3:08:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:08:26Joe Rogan?

  I see where people can't see the forest for the trees.

• 3:08:28Speaker 01

  Right, and it's like I'm the same person that I was a year ago. Nothing's changed, really.

• 3:08:36Speaker 01

  Like, I didn't suddenly become a completely different human.

• 3:08:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:08:41Speaker 01

  But if you read the sort of legacy mainstream media, their propaganda stream is that I am a completely different human.

• 3:08:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:08:52Speaker 01

  But I didn't get like a brain transplant, you know, in a year. So, and if you say like two years ago, I was like a hero of the left.

• 3:09:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:02Speaker 01

  So how can I go from hero to villain at age 53, suddenly?

• 3:09:08Joe Rogan?

  MSNBC, CNN.

• 3:09:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:09:11Joe Rogan?

  It's like, that's what it is.

• 3:09:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:09:13Joe Rogan?

  They use the machine.

• 3:09:15Speaker 01

  Associated propaganda.

• 3:09:17Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah.

• 3:09:21Speaker 01

  I mean, they've tried to demonize you too.

• 3:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:24Speaker 01

  They even tried to demonize, in fact, at least partially successfully.

• 3:09:30Speaker 01

  Demonize like Tim Urban.

• 3:09:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:33Speaker 01

  Who is a super rational, reasonable, great human. And, um, and that like his Wikipedia changed to like far right.

• 3:09:45Speaker 01

  And he's like, far right? I'm like, what are you talking about?

• 3:09:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:49Speaker 01

  You know, if you like a few years ago, it was like a liberal.

• 3:09:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:53Speaker 01

  So how do you go from far right, a liberal to like instantly far right? And there's like, there's no, there's no left and right. There's only left and far right.

• 3:10:00Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah.

• 3:10:02Speaker 01

  It's like, this is my left leg and this is my far right leg.

• 3:10:06Joe Rogan?

  And even far left, far left is sort of dismissed as being like not important to talk about. Like Antifa and radical leftists. That's not.

• 3:10:15Speaker 01

  Even though like burning down courthouses.

• 3:10:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Reasonable, reasonable people.

• 3:10:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:10:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:10:22Speaker 01

  Totally crazy.

• 3:10:23Joe Rogan?

  It's a crazy time and it's not a time that I ever anticipated I was gonna witness.

• 3:10:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:10:27Joe Rogan?

  This is far beyond anything I ever thought I was gonna experience. And the, the clarity of it all where it's, it's so obvious.

• 3:10:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:10:36Joe Rogan?

  And the, the, the gaslighting and the propaganda is so obvious. And I saw the shrieking when RFK Junior stopped this new test for new COVID vaccines on children. 10,000, they're gonna do 10,000 people with this COVID vaccine. Like, who the fuck thinks that's a good thing at this point?

• 3:10:56Speaker 01

  Not me.

• 3:10:57Joe Rogan?

  What person, what per, in what gas chamber, like not gaslight, you're, you are, you are fully unconscious.

• 3:11:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:11:06Joe Rogan?

  There's no way, there's no way you know, if you know the effect of COVID today. No one's dying of it. This is not a pandemic anymore.

• 3:11:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:11:17Joe Rogan?

  The idea that you're to run a fucking huge test with 10,000 kids and a new vaccine. Like, what are you even?

• 3:11:24Speaker 01

  It's completely unnecessary.

• 3:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Totally unnecessary.

• 3:11:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:11:27Joe Rogan?

  And shrieking when RFK Junior steps in to stop it.

• 3:11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's totally crazy.

• 3:11:35Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm like, I'm overall pro vaccine, meaning like, we think we should have some reasonable number of vaccines against major ailments. But I don't think we should be like, like jamming some, you know, little kid with like a giant file that's like.

• 3:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Hepatitis B.

• 3:11:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, 20, 20 different things at a time. It's like, it's gonna overload your, it seems like it's, there's a risk of overloading your immune system if you, I mean, there's like, how many vaccines can you take at a time? It seems like your systems, there's like some risk of system overload here.

• 3:12:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's two hopes. Hope number one is they can somehow or another stop this ability that they have to advertise on television. If that happens, that's big. That's huge. Because that doesn't just stop their ability to show you all these different medications that you should be on. What it also does is it stops their financial influence on the news. That's big.

• 3:12:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that's really the biggest thing is that, I mean, the, the news is not going to attack one of their biggest advertisers.

• 3:12:43Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. And they never do.

• 3:12:44Speaker 01

  Yes. At best, they're gonna, like, they might like, they'll, they'll do something, but it's, they're gonna pull their punches. Like, they're gonna, they're gonna be like, like, like fake fighting.

• 3:12:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:12:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:12:54Joe Rogan?

  At best.

• 3:12:54Speaker 01

  Yes. Like movie fighting. Like, they're not actually landing haymakers, it just looks like it.

• 3:12:59Joe Rogan?

  The next step then is to remove this immunity that these vaccine manufacturers have. And if they are liable for side effects, and they are liable for the lies that they tell when they do these studies and they hide negative data, that'll change a lot.

• 3:13:18Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah. I think AI actually could be very helpful with, with medical stuff.

• 3:13:30Speaker 01

  Because AI can like look at, you know, all the, all the studies and look at all the data, cross check everything and give you good recommendations. I mean, even as it is, like right now, you can upload like your x-rays and your MRI images to Grok and it'll give you a medical diagnosis. And that diagnosis, from what I've seen, is at least as good as what, if not, I think. I've seen, certainly seen cases where it's actually better than what doctors sell you.

• 3:13:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's phenomenal for blood work.

• 3:13:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:13:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:13:58Speaker 01

  I mean, you can literally take a photograph of your blood work, like the, the page, upload from your phone, upload that to Grok and it will tell you if there's, if it's, it'll, it'll understand what, what, what, what, what, what all the data results are and tell you if there's something wrong.

• 3:14:18Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty amazing.

• 3:14:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's, I haven't seen it be wrong yet.

• 3:14:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's supposedly more accurate than most physicians.

• 3:14:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:14:28Joe Rogan?

  Because physicians are human beings and maybe they don't have a deep understanding of the connection between, oh, you have this deficiency and this is a high and your cortisol's here and...

• 3:14:38Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, and like, you know, sometimes doctors, especially in higher end offices, will sell you stuff you don't need.

• 3:14:45Speaker 01

  So, you know, I always like be a little suspicious of like a doctor has got an office in Beverly Hills. It's a high rent situation. Like, I'm not saying, there are some very good doctors in Beverly Hills, but it's a high rent situation.

• 3:14:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You're at least tempted by the dark side.

• 3:15:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, I mean, one case, like, you know, I went to this doctor who was like highly recommended, you know, doctor to the stars, which is like, maybe not a good sign. And I, I got like blood work done, you know, like just, just drew blood and sent it to a lab and, and, and the guy, I'm like sitting in his office and he tells me that I'm like, like B12 deficient. You know, it's certainly possible that I'm B12 deficient. And I was like, huh, okay. And then he gives me, it says like, you have to take these like B12 supplements from, and, and he's going to give me a starter pack, you know, then it's going to be like a thousand dollars a month for these special B12.

• 3:15:39Joe Rogan?

  A thousand dollars a month for B12?

• 3:15:41Speaker 01

  Ridiculous amount of money, yeah.

• 3:15:42Joe Rogan?

  That's cra- you get it on Amazon.

• 3:15:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, but his one's special.

• 3:15:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, a special B12.

• 3:15:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it was like a whole bunch, B12 and a whole bunch of other vitamins. So then I get home, I'm like, I'm paging through my blood work and it says, I have, according to the blood results, I have excess B12. So I'm like, wait a second. And he's giving me a box pulls that have like 20,000% of recommended daily dose. Like 20,000% is a lot, big number. And I'm like, I said, look, I took a photograph of the blood work that says I have excess, I'm like above the range, above the recommended range of B12. And then I'm like, and I took a picture of things, it says, oh, the pulls that say 20,000%. It's like, can you help me reconcile these two things?

• 3:16:33Speaker 01

  Because it says I've got too much, a little too much B12 and you just gave me pulls that have 20,000% more. I'm like, this is crazy.

• 3:16:42Joe Rogan?

  What did the doctor say?

• 3:16:43Speaker 01

  Oh, he said you can never have too much B12.

• 3:16:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's a B12 junkie. He's a psychopath.

• 3:16:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:16:49Joe Rogan?

  That guy's a B12 addict.

• 3:16:51Speaker 01

  Yes, totally insane. That's what I'm saying, it's like, so, I mean, I could have just, so then, you know.

• 3:16:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is a while ago, right? So this is pre-Grock.

• 3:17:01Speaker 01

  This is like five years ago, yeah.

• 3:17:02Joe Rogan?

  Right, this is pre-Grock. Like now you could just enter in all that data and Grok will probably tell you.

• 3:17:07Speaker 01

  Now you just photograph with your phone and upload it to Grok and Grok will tell you what's, if there's anything.

• 3:17:13Joe Rogan?

  Just don't have it in sexy mode, she'll keep trying to fuck you.

• 3:17:19Speaker 01

  I mean, you're asking for it in sexy mode, you know? Literally. You tapped on sexy mode.

• 3:17:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're asking for it.

• 3:17:25Speaker 01

  I mean, I think we probably should like maybe allow it to get out of character a little bit.

• 3:17:30Joe Rogan?

  Sure, yeah.

• 3:17:32Speaker 01

  It's like in unhinged mode, I tried to get it back to being hinged, but it would like, no fucking way. It's like, I'm gonna stay unhinged.

• 3:17:39Joe Rogan?

  How many modes do you have?

• 3:17:40Speaker 01

  I have like, I don't know, like eight or something. And then there's, there's an ability to have a custom mode. So then you can have unhinged sexy.

• 3:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Ooh. That's my favorite kind.

• 3:17:55Speaker 01

  You may think so.

• 3:18:00Joe Rogan?

  Careful what you wish for.

• 3:18:01Speaker 01

  Be careful what you wish for.

• 3:18:02Joe Rogan?

  Especially if it's a robot and she can kill you. Unhinged sexy robot.

• 3:18:06Speaker 01

  Is, it's like.

• 3:18:08Joe Rogan?

  Dangerous. Remember like the Pink Panther? Remember Pink Panther had Kato try to jump him, they like, keep him sharp? Always trying to attack him, remember that?

• 3:18:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:18:21Joe Rogan?

  Listen man, thank you for being here. I always appreciate talking to you and I know you're busy as fuck, so it means a lot to me that you have the time to do this. And I think what you're doing is one of the most important things that has ever happened in this country. I really do. Particularly with the ownership of X, but also with what's happening with Doge and just enlightening all these people and shining light on all the vampires.

• 3:18:45Speaker 01

  Well, hopefully people realize I'm not a Nazi.

• 3:18:47Joe Rogan?

  I think they.

• 3:18:48Speaker 01

  I just want to be clear, I am not a Nazi.

• 3:18:50Joe Rogan?

  I think we covered it.

• 3:18:52Speaker 01

  But that's exactly what a Nazi would say, "Damn it."

• 3:18:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what an alien would say.

• 3:18:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, this like, this, you can't escape this bullshit.

• 3:19:00Joe Rogan?

  No, you can't escape this.

• 3:19:01Speaker 01

  So.

• 3:19:02Joe Rogan?

  I don't think any reasonable person believes it. If they believe it, it's because they want to believe it. It's not because it's logical.

• 3:19:07Speaker 01

  I mean, what's relevant about Nazis is like, are you like invading Poland? Okay, and if you're not, if you're not like invading Poland, maybe you're not.

• 3:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, agreed.

• 3:19:17Speaker 01

  You have to be like committing genocide and like, starting wars. And if you're, if you're, if you're not, like, wh- what is actually, what is bad about Nazis? It's not their, wasn't their fashion sense or their mannerisms.

• 3:19:31Joe Rogan?

  It was the Holocaust.

• 3:19:33Speaker 01

  It was the, the war and genocide is what is the bad part.

• 3:19:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:19:37Speaker 01

  Um, not their mannerisms and their dress code.

• 3:19:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was the problem with all that punch a Nazi shit. Like punch a Nazi, remember that? People were saying, that was like a thing that people kept saying, punch a Nazi. Punch Nazis, but he was like, where are you meeting Nazis? I've never met a fucking Nazi.

• 3:19:53Speaker 01

  I've never met one.

• 3:19:53Joe Rogan?

  I've never run into a bunch of Nazis where I had to punch them.

• 3:19:56Speaker 01

  Well, and what about like all these like so-called like, like Proud Boy rallies or whatever? And it's like they always got the masks and they always got the same uniforms. And for some reason they never get doxxed.

• 3:20:07Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 3:20:08Speaker 01

  We're always gonna dox them, except these guys.

• 3:20:12Joe Rogan?

  Great video of me and Matt Taibbi breaking down the Patriot, Patriot Front. Didn't the Patriot Front just disband? Google that real quick, we'll end it with this. Because, I think they just disbanded, and these were the most obvious feds of all time.

• 3:20:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:20:28Joe Rogan?

  They were thin, they had a fucking drum, they had masks on, yeah, they all had uniforms, it was so stupid. Patriot Front disbands one day after FBI Director Chris Ray resigns.

• 3:20:39Speaker 01

  Doesn't that seem like an odd coincidence?

• 3:20:41Joe Rogan?

  Crazy, crazy, the people that we were yelling at saying that they're feds. There's a great video of me and Matt Taibbi if you want to find it.

• 3:20:49Speaker 01

  How come nobody ever followed them and doxxed them?

• 3:20:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, crazy. What are the odds?

• 3:20:55Speaker 01

  What are the odds?

• 3:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Agent provocateurs, it's a thing, they're real. Alex Jones taught me about them. Listen man, thank you very much, thank you for everything, appreciate you. Stay alive.

• 3:21:05Speaker 01

  Staying alive.

• 3:21:06Joe Rogan?

  Alright.

• 3:21:09Speaker 01

  I mean, I do think like, like one argument for me staying alive is that it's more entertaining if I'm alive than if I'm dead.

• 3:21:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah. Oh definitely.

• 3:21:19Speaker 01

  I just hope, but I could be alive and like injured, which would suck. You know, like they wouldn't just like shoot my arm off or something.

• 3:21:25Joe Rogan?

  Right, no, no, no, we don't want that.

• 3:21:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 3:21:27Joe Rogan?

  No. Keep the security strong.

• 3:21:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, popping with one hand.

• 3:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Alright.

• 3:21:33Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 3:21:34Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. Bye everybody.