#2231 - Jimmy Corsetti & Dan Richards

Jimmy Corsetti and Dan Richards are independent researchers whose YouTube channels, "Bright Insight" and "DeDunking the Past," respectively, examine lost civilizations and alternative history. www.youtube.com/c/BrightInsight www.youtube.com/@DeDunking Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Gentlemen.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Mr. Corsetti, how are you, sir? Very nice to meet you, by the way.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Nice to meet you too, Joe.

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  Thanks for... Thank you very much for that video. We talked about it before, but I don't want to say it publicly. The debunking of the debunking by Flint Dibble. And you really nailed him on so many of those things that he was dishonest about. And it just... I wish we knew in real time, but unfortunately, you know, it takes a lot of research to be able to figure out what he was telling the truth about and what he wasn't.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:40Joe Rogan?

  You know.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you. It was...

• 0:43Joe Rogan?

  Tell everybody your site, too.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, D-Dunking. D-Dunking the Past is my email. D-Dunking on YouTube or on Twitter. Um, that's with two D's, like my ex. Um, not debunking, sorry.

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  Keep this...

• 0:55Speaker 01

  D...

• 0:55Joe Rogan?

  Try to keep this...

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry.

• 0:56Joe Rogan?

  That's okay.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  I'm sorry.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  D-Dunking, not debunking.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 0:59Speaker 02

  Dan Richards.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  D-Dunking. Dan Richards. Thank you. Um, yeah, the thing with Flint, it was actually funny. The moment that I knew that he was lying about the science was when you asked him about the feralization of plants. That's where they roll back into being no longer domesticated. And he was like, "Oh, it'll just take thousands of years." It's like, "No, no, no, no. I've researched this and I know better." And he was just knee-jerking, straight-ant. "Oh, just thousands of years." And when you pressed him, he's like, "Well, I don't know for sure."

• 1:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a bummer, because that's his field of study, which is really kind of crazy. It's a really fascinating thing that seeds do adapt to agriculture. They adapt to the fact that it's better for the survival of the plant if one... You develop agriculture, if they're more robust and they stay on the plant. It's better for the wild if they break off easy and they can scatter better and they can, you know, proliferate.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really basic, if you think about it. I mean, if it stays on the plant after it's ripe, it's just sitting there waiting for the first thing to come along and eat it.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  But that whole natural selection thing when it comes to plants is so fascinating. But the question was so simple... If you stopped having agriculture and these plants just grew wild, would they go back to the same characteristics of wild plants? And he was like, no, there's no evidence of that. But then I saw your video and then I looked at some other stuff and there's quite a bit of evidence of it, particularly with wild rice, right?

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Yes, particularly with wild rice, yes. There's, that one, it looks like, out of any of them, if there's a possibility that one was domesticated and then went back to the wild and then was domesticated again, it would be rice. That shows multiple types. There's different ways the seeds can break off, right? They can break in different points of the plant or they can just fall straight out. And rice shows numerous paths there, where wheat only has one genetic pathway to that seed shatter, where the seed falls off. So it's, it gets pretty complicated, but rice does, rice does have a lot of genetic possibilities for that. Now, I'm not a geneticist, so I'm sure that somebody's gonna come and, you know, say this is pseudo crap, but ultimately, at the end of the day, Flint was treating it as a debate, whereas you and Graham were both trying to sift to the truth.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  And that's why he was not gonna give Graham one little corner, one little shred of possibility of being right anywhere, when in reality, it's a lot of, just like everything else in life, it's a lot of gray.

• 3:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, this whole subject of the past is, it's so obviously confusing. Cause when you look at, I watched your, your video today, the Baalbek video, just looking at the enormous size of those stones, there's no reasonable explanation how people, like, what, what is that dated to? Like, what, what year do they believe it was made?

• 3:32Speaker 02

  This is where it gets fun, is because they credited to the Romans and the Phoenicians. However, there's, it goes beyond the sophistication, the capabilities what the Romans were known to have, whether it's the existence of the screw jack for lifting the stones. But Baalbek, which is located in Lebanon, and I had the great privilege of going there in September of last year, exactly one month before things kicked off in Israel, with the whole Hamas thing. And if I hadn't got there then, I wouldn't have no chance. Like, right now, Israel's bombing Lebanon, and so it's a dangerous place. But Baalbek, if there was one example, one ancient site on earth that is evidence of a lost ancient advanced civilization, and by advanced, I'm not talking about space lasers here, I'm talking about more sophisticated than what we were taught in school for the

• 4:17Speaker 02

  known capabilities. And Baalbek has the largest stones that were ever quarried in human history, the largest stones that were lifted, stacked, and transported in human history, and the largest stone columns in all of classical history. And we're talking, so the Trilithon Stones, three stones, 900 tons apiece, or 800 metric tons, and they were moved a half a mile from the quarry, they were lifted and stacked approximately 30 feet off the ground. And when I say stacked, they were perfectly lined up, and Jamie, it's in my folder of Baalbek if you want to show some of these. And they're absolutely massive. So, let me tell you right here, and I of course have the gentleman there who I'll tell you about later, highlighted, just to kind of show you for perspective, like that's someone right there, it's five foot 11.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Those stones that are highlighted in red are the Trilithon Stones. But these pictures do not do it justice because it's taken through an ultra-wide camera lens. From the top to bottom of the red highlighted stones is 14 feet, and they're 62 feet long. Or 62 feet, excuse me. Like, there's me.

• 5:18Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy. It's hard to tell because of the perspective, and people need to kind of understand how a wide-angle lens sort of distorts things by showing you this enormous field of view. But when you're looking at something that's 14 feet long and 60, excuse me, 62 feet long and 14 feet high, like what is the weight of that? What's the overall weight?

• 5:41Speaker 02

  900 imperial tons or 800 metric tons. And to anyone listening, a metric ton is 2,200 pounds, 1,000 kilograms, and an imperial ton is 2,000 pounds. So that's 1.7 million pounds, each of them, and there's three of them. And if you were to go to the quarry, there's ones that are 1,200 tons and even 1,500 tons that are 20 feet tall. This is mind-boggling. Like, Jamie, if you want to just scroll through some of the other photos to kind of give Joe the perspective and the audience the perspective.

• 6:12Joe Rogan?

  Those are clearly cut stones that were moved into place and moved 23 feet above the ground.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Right. And technically 30 feet because there's stones that are actually below the ground there that you can't see because it's submerged under the earth. So technically it was 30 feet, but 23 feet off the ground today. And right there, this highlights, so not only is that 14 feet from top to bottom, which you would never realize when you're looking at this, and these are confirmed measurements, by the way, this is right out of encyclopedias. But notice how they're completely flush, nice and even with each other. And this exceeds the known capabilities of what the Romans had. And it's worth mentioning that this site is some 2,400 miles from Rome, the capital. And if they're going to say that this was created by the Romans, one, people need to understand that the Romans were renowned

• 7:01Speaker 02

  for documenting everything, yet this site is not credited to anybody. They don't know exactly who did it or when, but the academics conclude that it had to have been the Romans or the Phoenicians because, of course, there was no one before them. And with this photo right here, let me say something else. There is evidence of at least two, but arguably three different architectures that were done at this site. And I would conclude that this is evidence that this site existed in prehistoric times. There's also, I can show you encyclopedias that talk about Baalbek being prehistoric in nature, dating back 11,000 years of human history. And what I argue is that it was found by the Romans and the Phoenicians and built upon later. And right here is evidence for all that have eyes to see. Look how they

• 7:46Speaker 02

  obviously use broken stones and constructed on top of it. Why would you go from making the most advanced stones in history that far exceed anything you see in Rome? For example, if you were to go to the Colosseum, as magnificent as that is, it is an architecture of mathematics and just brilliance. But this right here, why would they use the, why would they, for all the feats of Roman history, why would they have the most impressive feats over 2,000 miles away from the capital? In fact, let me just say this. When I'm talking about 900-ton stones, the largest stone in all of Rome is 53 tons. It's the Trajans, capital block that make up the Trajans column, 53 tons. This is 15 times heavier.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  There's a number of things to, um, I'm not a huge believer in ancient technology. I'm sorry. I'm not a big believer in ancient technology, as Jimmy's well aware, but, uh,

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Which is why it's important that you're here because people are going to hear multiple perspectives.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's where, um, I can tell you some things about Balbek that are still interesting to me.

• 8:45Joe Rogan?

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• 11:13Speaker 01

  One of them is, you don't see the Roman foot in those stones, which is weird. You would expect to see some sort of breakdown of the Roman foot in these measurements, but they're not there at Baalbek. They are there on the stones that were quarried from the ground.

• 11:25Joe Rogan?

  By Roman foot, what you're saying is that there's a different measurement, what they considered a foot. It's not 12 inches.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Correct. There's a Roman unit of measurement that they would use in construction. And it's, we don't see it in those stones in the Trilithon, but there's three stones that were quarried and left in the ground. All of those stones show signs of using the Roman foot.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  Jamie, will you scroll over to this?

• 11:46Speaker 01

  So that, right off the bat, shows to me that the ones that were installed were not built by the Romans, but the ones that were quarried were made by the Romans. They were trying to quarry out stones to match it.

• 11:57Speaker 02

  Right here.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  Another thing is- That's crazy. Roman architecture always uses the most impressive things right in the front. You walk in the front of the thing, and that's where you're going to see the biggest stones, the most impressive, for obvious reasons. These are in the back, completely on the opposite end of the entrances. You have to, like, from what you told me, you'd kind of have to look for them if you don't know where they're at, right? Like, you can't just show up on the site and they say, "Here's the Trilithon."

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Well, let me tell you a quick story, real quick. So, I had the pleasure of going there with some people, and I'll tell you about it later. I won't do the name drop just yet. But Dori, who lives in Lebanon, he toured us around, and he had been to the site three times before. When we went, it was his fourth time. He did not know of the existence of the Trilithon stones. They're around back. You've got to walk probably a third of a mile to get there. They don't even bring the tours around to the Trilithon stones. He had no idea what I was talking about. The night before dinner, I'm trying to explain to him, like, "The Trilithon stones, the 900-ton stones." And I had to show him a picture. He had never seen them before.

• 12:53Joe Rogan?

  How do they not show the tourists this?

• 12:57Speaker 02

  That's an excellent question. Now, you do have to walk, to be honest, it's like a 12, 15 minute walk to go around to get there. I mean, it's part of the platform, but you have to go all the way around. And some people just don't feel like making the walk. And when we were there, we were totally alone for a half hour with these stones. Not a single person. There was hundreds of people at the site, not a single one of them came around back. Now, just to clarify what the audience is seeing right now. This is at the quarry, which is a half mile away. This is where all the stones originate from. And this one right here is what's called the Stone of the Pregnant Woman. It is 1,200 tons. As you can see, it's 14 feet tall, which is the same height. So in those Trilithon stones I was showing you a moment ago. This, the only difference is that this one's 68 feet long. It's virtually the same size, except for just a few feet shorter, but it's the same height.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  So that gentleman right there, Pierre, who's a wonderful man, is six foot tall. And look at him just dwarfed by this stone.

• 13:49Joe Rogan?

  1,200 tons.

• 13:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:52Joe Rogan?

  And it's not from there?

• 13:54Speaker 02

  Well, no, it is. This was quar- so this is at the quarry.

• 13:57Joe Rogan?

  So the, so this one's at the quarry, but the ones that were placed, where are they from?

• 14:03Speaker 02

  This quarry, which is a half mile away. So this is-

• 14:06Joe Rogan?

  So they moved 1,800 pounds a half a mile?

• 14:11Speaker 02

  Three of them. And that doesn't include the two dozen that are 350 tons apiece. That doesn't include the nine that are 600 tons apiece. Nine stones that are 600 tons apiece are somehow a side note to the Trilithon stones. And let me just tell you this. This is something, Jamie, if you scroll over a few to the articles involving- Because this is what the audience needs to understand. A lot of people hear these numbers and they don't wrap their head around exactly how important this is. Which is that the, go to the article involving the Los Angeles County Museum of Art.

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  It's in the same folder of Balbek. And the largest stone moved in modern times is 340 tons.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  And we're gonna come back to all these photos too, because it's extremely important. Uh, there's some details in here.

• 14:57Joe Rogan?

  That's the one at that goofy museum in LA?

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:01Joe Rogan?

  Which is, by the way, a very goofy museum.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I haven't been there.

• 15:05Joe Rogan?

  It's so dumb. It's so dumb. It's, there's a, an acrylic box that's on the ground.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:10Joe Rogan?

  That you're supposed to interpret as art. It's just a box that's just sitting there. It's one of those places where you go there and you go, "What is my tax dollars going to?" You motherfuckers.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Go to the other folder that's Moving Stones. So, let me just, while he's looking for that, let me explain to you.

• 15:25Joe Rogan?

  I saw the video on that, and so what this is, is there was a suspended stone. It's an enormous stone that they placed there as part of their art piece.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:34Joe Rogan?

  And this thing was...

• 15:36Speaker 02

  Not that one, not that, Jamie.

• 15:37Joe Rogan?

  This is just fails.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  That's a, yeah, we'll, we'll play that video in a little bit. It's pretty funny.

• 15:41Joe Rogan?

  They had to move this stone. It was four miles an hour is the fastest they can move it. They had to build a structure around the stone to move it.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  Yes, so...

• 15:51Joe Rogan?

  This fucking insanely huge truck.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  Let me tell ya, so the details, it is a 200, so they had to custom build a trailer truck around the stone itself.

• 16:02Joe Rogan?

  Tell Jamie what...

• 16:02Speaker 02

  Jamie, look under the Moving Stones folder. There's not a folder, it's just a video. Um, go to, let's see here, scroll down a little bit, go to Ramassium Statue.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Man, these silly, you're using a Mac, it doesn't show you the preview of the, of the pictures.

• 16:19Joe Rogan?

  Silly Macs.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  Keep looking until you find the, of a big red truck, but I'll tell the audience while you're looking for it, um, exactly what we're talking about here. So, yeah, keep going, or back, back.

• 16:30Joe Rogan?

  There we go.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  You're on it, go back a little bit. Go back to the article three, go, go left like three times. Right there, go back, or right there. So, this one stone, 340 tons, they call it "The Largest Operation of Its Kind Since the Egyptians Built the Pyramids." They had to custom build a 260-foot-long trailer truck that consists of 196 semi-truck wheels. It has 44 axles, it's 32 feet long, it took a year of planning, it cost $10 million. It took nine days to move this 340-ton stone.

• 17:01Joe Rogan?

  What a great use... of taxpayers money.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 17:04Joe Rogan?

  Ten million dollars, there's no way they needed that money for LA.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, who cares about potholes and homeless people?

• 17:09Joe Rogan?

  No way, I mean, this is more important.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  Um, and so this is what's so important, is that this, the largest stone moved in human history is, is at the Ramesses. It's the Ramesses statue in Egypt, it's 1,000 metric tons, which is 2.2 million pounds. That was inexplicably moved 170 miles from the Coryonos one. And here's the significance of this. Brother, the, this stone at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art is one-third the weight. One, the, the stone at the Ramesses is three times heavier.

• 17:40Joe Rogan?

  And how far did they move that stone?

• 17:42Speaker 02

  Uh, the, this one at the, at the museum?

• 17:45Joe Rogan?

  The one, the Ramesses.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  170 miles and the other one was moved 106 miles.

• 17:49Joe Rogan?

  170 miles?

• 17:51Speaker 02

  And-

• 17:52Joe Rogan?

  It's 2 million pounds.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  And so this is where things get really fun, is that, um, they say, the academics, they say that the stones would have been moved on tree logs. Because that's their best guess, and it's not an unreasonable guess, but when you look into the nuanced details, so I really nerded out hard on this. There's a lot of people, are you familiar with the Mohs scale of hardness?

• 18:13Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  So it's the measurement of stone, and it's often used by alternative, uh, ancient history buffs to say that, hey, uh, copper-based tooling could not have been utilized to cut granite stone like the, that's been claimed. And there's no evidence that the Egyptians, the Egyptians never told us they used bronze tooling to cut the stones and make up the granite stones within the pyramid. And, so, I started asking them, like, wait a second, if they're gonna say that they moved a 2.2 million pound stone on tree logs, well, they say that it was the cedar, the, the Lebanon cedar trees. Well, I nerded out on this, and there's something called the Jenka scale of hardness, which measures the hardness of stu-, of wood, and it's often used for, if you're gonna pick, uh, uh, wood flooring in your house.

• 18:57Joe Rogan?

  Very soft wood.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  It's one of the softest on earth, not the softest, but it's so soft that it would never even be considered for flooring in your house, because your furniture and your heels would dent it immediately. And if you were to put significant weight on it, whatever that weight is, it would either crush it, crumble- Or at least dent it out of a circle, or being a circular nature to roll on. And so, when you look into the nuanced details involving the mysterious accomplishments of the ancients, it becomes abundantly clear, like if I had one thesis, is that the true history of mankind was more advanced than what we were taught in school. Now, how advanced? That's the fun topic, and we will dive into that here in the next couple hours. But the reality is that there's evidence for all who have eyes to see that there are, I mean, again, brother,

• 19:41Speaker 02

  a thousand metric ton statue, and this is, this is right out of encyclopedias.

• 19:45Joe Rogan?

  Show the statue. So this is the statue, it somehow or another fell.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it was a seated statue. That's me in front of it, and it's broken into multiple pieces.

• 19:55Joe Rogan?

  There's some images, Jamie, of what it originally looked like.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  Look, so that foot, it's up to my belly button, like the top of the foot. That's just the foot. There's another picture that would, an illustration that would show you would have, what it would have looked like when it was full. There, go back one. So that's what it looks like from an aerial shot now, it's completely toppled over. God knows what would have taken to knock this thing over. They would, they say probably an earthquake. It was a seated statue. I, if it was a standing statue, I, so that.

• 20:25Joe Rogan?

  That's what it looked like originally.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  That's what they, yes. And again, a thousand metric tons is 2.2 million pounds. How it got knocked over in itself, to me, might be indicators of some sort of cataclysm, but that's a side point. But the point is this, it was moved 170 miles. They do not, the Egyptians did not articulate, illustrate, or describe how they would have done so.

• 20:47Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that part of the problem with like the burning of the Library of Alexandria is all that information was lost forever?

• 20:53Speaker 02

  Yes. Here's the thing, let me say this real quick. Brother, the Library of Alexandria was like thousands of years before the Great Pyramid. Like, the Library of Alexandria was just after, was it 47 AD or BC that it got destroyed, is believed, something around there, so 2,000 years ago. This statue is 3,000 years old, according to the academics. So this is 1,000 years before the Library of Alexandria. So, yeah, it's not unreasonable to suggest that they would have had information about how they constructed these things. In fact, I want to believe that they did.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  But they might not have.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, they might not have. What were you gonna say, Dan?

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Well, you're talking about the... We look at the way that they moved the stones, like you're talking about the cedar. They moved one stone in human history that was really big. The biggest stone ever moved was the thunderstone, it was moved by Catherine the Great's people.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  Late 1700s.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Late 1700s. They used a big team of people and they moved this thing, not very far, like 10 miles, 8 miles, something like that.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  9 miles?

• 21:48Speaker 01

  It happened over ocean.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  And it took 9 months.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  And when they were pulling this thing on the ground, they had to consistently try metallurgy, different types of ball bearings for it to roll on, because the ones they were moving would keep being crushed. And then they had to use screw jacks, that are just like you jack up a house floor with, like a subfloor. They would use these screw jacks to lift the statue back up and put it on bearings. Well, the Romans didn't have a screw jack. The Egyptian, we had metallurgy, we were trying different kinds of ball bearings and shit. That's something way outside. I mean, the 1700s, the 1700s, we're talking right at the cusp of them actually making structural steel. You know, this is the beginning of iron bridges and shit. They were actually making good metallurgy then. And it still took trial and error to move this stone. And it's, that stone's basically the same size as the ones at Baalbek, a tiny bit bigger.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  But the same kind of issues, where they would have had to have jacked that thing up, they would have had to, which would have took steel, or hard, hard metal. Basically, they had to have some highly advanced metallurgy for the time. Not as good as we have now, but 1700s level of metallurgy. That's what it would have taken.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  And the Romans did not have that level of sophistication. So that's the thing. So there's something that you informed me of, Dan, and this is, let me just give you a shout out. A, everybody, go subscribe to Dedunking on YouTube. Your channel is a goldmine that is bringing, you are bridging together the facts that the alternative theorists are presenting, as well as the academics, and you're differentiationing the truth, and your, truth, and your channel is so valuable. And what you taught me is that the invention of the screw jack was utilized in order to lift that thunderstone, the bronze horseman, on top of that, those metal rails. So with the Egyptian, or excuse me, the Romans didn't have that. That wasn't invented until thousands of years later. So without that screw jack, they would have never been able to lift it in the first place.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  That stone would have just sat there. Cause yeah.

• 23:37Joe Rogan?

  You said something that you don't believe in ancient technology.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  I don't believe in ancient high technology in the regards that generally speaking, when you start getting.

• 23:45Joe Rogan?

  Put this microphone like.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry.

• 23:46Joe Rogan?

  It's okay.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry.

• 23:47Joe Rogan?

  Put it like a fist from your face.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry about that.

• 23:49Joe Rogan?

  That's okay.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  That I don't, I'm not a believer in ancient high technology in regards that I don't believe like, even, even ancient steam engines would be like pushing it. When you start talking like really advanced stuff, I tend to be, tend to look for other explanations. I tend to look for, you know, stone was the premier building material for hominids for like millions of years, literally millions of years. So father passed to his son how to do this sort of thing. And eventually you get to a point where we start working with metal and that, that kind of just dies off. We quit doing that for a while. And then a thousand years goes by and we look at what our ancestors used to do and we're like, holy shit. But I honestly think a lot of the stuff that we just saw how they did it, we would just be like, well, fuck, why didn't I think of that? But.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  But wait a minute, when you're talking about moving things that are a thousand tons and you're moving them through the mountains, like how?

• 24:40Speaker 01

  I, I mean, I mean.

• 24:41Joe Rogan?

  Why, why wouldn't you believe in some sort of ancient technology?

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Well, let's put it this way, I'm not opposed to the idea, but we need to get there first. Like if we're going, like we're talking about the, the thunderstone or the Baalbek stones. Going from like, I feel like we need to exhaust every other possibility before we can start hanging our hat on something bigger than that.

• 25:00Joe Rogan?

  What other possibilities could you even conceive of?

• 25:02Speaker 01

  That's, I've, I've been open to the conversation.

• 25:05Joe Rogan?

  But it is technology, right?

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Well, I'm honest.

• 25:07Joe Rogan?

  It has to be a form of very sophisticated technology if you're gonna move something that heavy.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  It would be definitely something bigger, better than we know, uh, or different than we know. But like, uh, like I, I give an example that I've used it with Jim before was, you know, when, um, this, uh, world war two ended, America ended all their sniper schools overseas, uh, to, to tighten the budget. And Vietnam started, we didn't have any sniper schools and the NCOs on the ground say, hey, we need trained snipers. They had to actually recruit snipers, uh, sharpshooters from the American Olympic team because we didn't have trained snipers anymore. In 20 years, we had better tools, but worse, uh. Results because of the lack of skills. So I'm I'm of the opinion that there's some.

• 25:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, but the sniper is something that we're all very well aware of. It's conceivable, it's obvious how you would do it. It's you could explain it to the layperson.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, you you can't. Um, but it was something that still there was a skill set that was lost in just twenty years. That's all I I think that um, I think that like a lot of things you see a lot of the ideas for moving the big rocks. Some some guys will use like a like they think they're like vac like water pressure vacuums were used to pull rocks up tubes. And all you see all kinds of of interesting hypothesis that use lower tech means that I tend to think most of them I think that don't work. But I tend to to think that those would be the direction we should be looking before we go to ancient high technology. And again, the reason the reason that I think that is um, because if we do get to ancient high technology, we really need to have eliminated everything else but we get there in order to be taken seriously. I guess that's kind of how I look at it. I'm a more skeptical person.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Real quick, so let's let's let's back up to this and see if we agree on this. Would you agree that what we were taught in school that the ancients were more sophisticated than the described narrative?

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, absolutely.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  See, then there you go. So we're on the same page because it's like, what's technology? Like, do they have space lasers and hydraulics?

• 27:02Joe Rogan?

  A bow and arrow is technology.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Right, a horse saddle technology, right? So they had something else.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, they definitely when when I guess like when I get to the when I think when most people think high technology, like you say, space lasers and stuff, uh, powered powered things like something where they were no longer using human power or water power. Something they were harnessing energy or doing sophisticated chemistry, things like that's where I start to be like, well, I I need more evidence to go that far with it. However, um, the moving of the big rocks is something that I'm I'm quick to say, but in order to do it, we would need, if we were to do it, we would need technology well outside of what they had available to them at the time. And and in my opinion, if you look at those like this at Baalbek, to go back to that, you've got the three big stones that were put in a wall that don't have the Roman unit of measurement used. And we got three big rocks in the ground that do have the Roman unit of measurement.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  I think that they gave up. They realized. They weren't able to do it. They had one group carving them and the guys tasked to move them looked at them, "What the fuck are you guys on about? No way we're moving these things. You're on crack."

• 28:01Speaker 02

  And the fact that it's undocumented, like the foundation of Baalbek is completely undocumented. The, go ahead.

• 28:08Joe Rogan?

  You were saying something about dating it to 11,000 years.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  There is, so Jamie, if you go to the Baalbek folder, you'll find an encyclopedia article that describes the evidence of human habitation at Baalbek dating back 9,000 B.C., which is 11,000 years ago. And I'm not suggesting these stones were created back then. I'm open to it.

• 28:28Joe Rogan?

  What is the evidence? Like what kind of evidence? Pottery?

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Oh, sure. I'd have to go read through the scientific article, but it's, humans were there 11,000 years ago.

• 28:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  And the fact that they don't document, when the Romans were, yeah, see right there.

• 28:44Joe Rogan?

  History that dates back at least 11,000 years encompassing significant periods such as prehistoric, Canaanite, Hellenistic, and Roman eras after Alexander the Great conquered the city in 334 B.C.E. He renamed it Helopolis?

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Heliopolis.

• 28:59Joe Rogan?

  Heliopolis. Greek for sun city. The city flourished under Roman rule.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Now, let me say this real quick, Jamie. Will you go to the picture of the mountains in this folder? So this is something that's unbelievable. Alright, so just scroll through all these photos of the mountains because here's something that people need to understand that is unbelievably significant. Which is that at Baalbek, there are approximately 200 rose granite columns that were transported from the Aswan quarry in Egypt, which is 700 miles as the bird flies. And what's wild is that the only way to get them to Baalbek, because the Baalbek is located in the middle of the Lebanon mountains. And it has an average elevation of 8,000 feet with peaks reaching over 10,000 feet. As you can see, there's a frickin' ski resort there.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Which I couldn't believe when I was driving there. There was literally the ski lifts. I went there in September. So they had to bring all of those multi-ton Columns, stone columns from Egypt and the only way to get there was over these mountains, which is mind blowing.

• 29:58Joe Rogan?

  And what you're saying by how the crow flies, as the crow flies, what people need to understand is that doesn't take into account elevation changes.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:06Joe Rogan?

  So if you're, if you have a flat line like a bird and you're flying from one point to another, that's 700 miles. But if you have to go up and down and up and down and up and down, it's significantly larger. And why? When the measurement, it's not 700 miles, it's probably double that.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Right. That's an excellent point. Um, and it's like, then the question is like, why would they do this? Like, why would they go out of the, how and why?

• 30:30Joe Rogan?

  How, why is like, it's cool. But how is the real question? Like, how do, I mean, obviously we built things because it's cool.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:38Joe Rogan?

  You know, if you go to the Acropolis and the Parthenon, you go, why'd they do that? Well, it's fucking cool, you know? But like, people like to leave cool shit behind.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  But you look at Baalbek, there's a lot of interesting things about it. Like, it has the largest temple of Jupiter out of anywhere on the Roman Empire. Generally speaking, it's got some of the biggest temples in the Roman Empire, period. But it's a far flung corner of their empire and it's not an important city, really. I mean, it's semi-important in the region, but it's certainly no Cairo or anything.

• 31:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Um, the whole, but, but it has all these huge temples. My opinion is, my thinking is that they showed up and there was this massive stonework there. And these are the Romans, they can't have, these can't have the locals thinking their ancestors were better than the Romans, so they fucking hijack it. Just build a big shit on top of it. This is now ours, we plant our stamp on it, this is a Roman building. This is all Roman now, this was never your ancestors, this was always ours. And then the locals don't ever, you can't look to their forefathers or whatever legends they had in a couple of generations, just the power of Rome.

• 31:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, even the, uh, Parthenon, it's built on the Acropolis and the Acropolis is older than the Parthenon.

• 31:40Speaker 02

  Hmm.

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• 33:49Joe Rogan?

  That's better H E L P dot com. You know, who made that? Everybody just shrugs their shoulders. Hmm. Hmm. Other folks?

• 33:59Speaker 02

  Stay away from the mysteries.

• 34:00Joe Rogan?

  Whatever. The hell did we put up here?

• 34:03Speaker 02

  You know, what's interesting about Baalbek as well is that it's in the Bible. The Lebanon mountains are mentioned 103 times in the Bible. I am not a Bible thumper. I am a believer in a divine creation. I'm proud to say it because I've seen the proof in my own life. However, what's interesting is about Baalbek is that they said that it was created by Baal, which is like this demon. Human entity in the Bible and they declare it as the world's first civilization after the flood. And it was created by giants as punishment for what their iniquities of the flood.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  And I have an article about it. Jamie, if you scroll through, you'll find it.

• 34:36Joe Rogan?

  Now we're into Anunnaki territory.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  There you go, right.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  Exactly. Stitching has entered the chat.

• 34:41Speaker 02

  Hold on, go back to those cranes. Let me tell you this. So what you're looking at here is the Romans most sophisticated crane in their history. It had a max lifting capacity of 6.6 tons. In other words, to lift just one of those trilithon stones, you would need 133 of these. Which is obviously completely not feasible whatsoever. You couldn't, you wouldn't have the space to do it. And it's just ridiculous to suggest you would coordinate through 133 cranes around it. So what is what I'm trying to say is that it's further suggestive evidence that the Romans didn't build it because they didn't have the capability to lift stones of that mass.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  It's still pretty fascinating. The Romans were able to build a crane that could lift six tons.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 35:21Joe Rogan?

  But not enough to even lift the stones that were inside the king's chamber.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  Right. So let me, let me put this into perspective. So the largest stones inside the, the king's chamber of the great pyramid are approximately 80 tons imperial. So actually 78 tons imperial or 70 tons metric were moved some 500 miles from the Oswan quarry and lifted and stacked hundreds of feet above the ground. But here's what's wild is that those stones, the largest stones in the great pyramid, compared to the trilithon stones, the trilithon stones are 15 times heavier. Not, not, not twice as heavy, not three times as heavy, not 10 times as heavy.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  As a guy who's skeptical of that stuff, ancient high technology, there's a couple of things that make it where it's like, I straight up can't explain. Baalbek is one of them. You can, when you can, you could use those cranes and lay them on their side and drag that stone across the ground. That's exactly what they did with the thunderstone Catherine the Great's time. But then you are tasked with lifting that son of a bitch and all of a sudden you're right back to where you started. You can drag it across however you want, but when you get to picking it up 14 feet off the ground.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  And they dragged it on those, those rails though.

• 36:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, animal rails. More than 23 feet off the ground.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, 30 feet, right.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was 30 feet. Um, it's documented. Um, I have. 23 feet illustrated because it's where the ground is now.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  But it's the the foundation of it goes subsurface. So it's like, you know, with these details, like, there's a reason why there is a growing interest in the mysteries of lost ancient civilizations, because smart people of all kinds of walks of life are looking into the nuanced details and realizing like, oh, wait a second. Like, when Graham Hancock says that there's a missing chapter of human history, like, this is reality. We don't know how they built the Great Pyramid. It isn't a sta- it is a fact that the Egyptians left us with no explanation of any kind. Out of the tens of thousands of hieroglyphs all over Egypt, not a single one of them describes how they constructed the pyramid or how they cut granite stones. Not one.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's not, there's, there's big lacks of, big gaps in the knowledge is where we end up having these kinds of discussions. And I think, to go back to where we first started, we mentioned Flint at the beginning, it, that, we have a, a problem, in my opinion, that most people that see things kind of like I do, as opposed to like Jimmy or yourself does, where they're looking, where it's, I kind of need to take my steps to get to that ancient high technology. They end up going that just straight debunker route. And then they get skeptical, they, that skeptical, they get cynical. They turn into assholes. They turn into, they're looking for ways to-

• 37:45Joe Rogan?

  Appeal to authority.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Shoot this down. I just, fuck your idea, right? Just, so, your idea is wrong, so, I know what the implications are. Instead of saying, well, you know, maybe there's other implications, let's have a discussion about it, they just go straight to, no, this is impossible, this is stupid, make fun of the person, compare it to flat-etherism, compare it to aliens, oh, and-

• 38:04Speaker 02

  Nazism.

• 38:05Joe Rogan?

  In Flint's case, even worse, yeah. In Flint's case, he's even worse. He, he somehow or another connects to white supremacy.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  It's not just Flint, it's that fucking John Hoops, man. He's the one that started that shit. He's, he's, uh, that guy, Wikipedia, and we could talk about that for a quick second. John Hoops is a professor for the university, for Kansas University, and he is, been on, been one of the earliest editors of Wikipedia consistently. Graham Hancock's page, Younger Dryas impact hypothesis page, all kinds of pseudoarchaeology and, and pyramids and Atlantis, all that shit. He's got locked. He, he, it's not just that he edits it, him and his buddies edit it, and you can't go in and edit it. There's a scientist from the comet research group that tried to edit the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis page and was told he can't because it's a conflict of interest. A fucking scientist that works on this shit's a conflict of interest, but a scientist from outside the field isn't.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  By the way, John Hoops studied at Harvard and Yale. He got his undergrad, I believe, from Harvard and his PhD from Yale, or vice versa. This is, this is significant because he's controlling the information.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  And he hides this stuff too. He'll tell you that, I watched him tell Forbes, "Hey, you guys need to cite Wikipedia" instead of just, because they said the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis and they just made a real quick article about it with no skepticism. He says, "You need to cite Wikipedia as well." He edits the Wikipedia page and doesn't mention that he edits it when he tells people to go look at the fucking thing.

• 39:28Joe Rogan?

  What's his motivation for debunking this stuff?

• 39:31Speaker 01

  He doesn't like Graham Hancock. He doesn't, he thinks, same kind of thing. He thinks pseudo-archaeology is all the isms. If you believe in ancient high technology or you believe in Atlantis, you must be a white supremacist or racist, a misogynist, a con-

• 39:42Joe Rogan?

  Let's forget about Atlantis for a minute, but I definitely want to talk about it. But what you're seeing is impossible. It's essentially impossible with today's technology. When you're talking about those stones that were moved 700 miles through the mountains. If you tried to bring some engineers together in the United States in 2024, the best and the brightest, and said, "Here's your project." They would say, "Fuck you."

• 40:03Speaker 01

  You'd need Elon Musk levels of money to throw at it.

• 40:06Joe Rogan?

  You would need super billionaire money. And even then, I don't know how you would do it. I just don't, I can't conceivably think of a way. And that's what's so interesting about this stuff, is that whatever they did was not just complicated for the time. It was so beyond our imagination of what was possible at the time, that it's beyond our imagination of what's possible today. So, it just, it throws this, these facts, the physical facts about the size and the location they were brought from. That fly in the face of logic and credibility and our understanding of what's possible, not just then, but today.

• 40:49Joe Rogan?

  So for anybody to say, "Oh, we've figured this out," hey, man, fuck you. You definitely haven't. And the problem is that you have these fucking names attached to you, Harvard and Yale. And you've decided because there's a group of people that have been studying this stuff and they fucking wrote some shit down. And you studied what they wrote down, you did your own studying, you got a degree, you're the guy. You're the only one. These same fucking weirdo weasels that put their pronouns in their Twitter bio. And they're just crackpots. They're crackpots masquerading as intellectuals.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 41:23Joe Rogan?

  Because the things that they're saying are completely bizarre. They're all, 100% of them are captured by this woke ideology.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  They're libtards.

• 41:34Joe Rogan?

  They're weird people, man, because they exist in this structure that's been completely compromised. And that's our education. Our higher education systems have been completely compromised. And this is not to say that they don't teach you amazing stuff about medicine and science. Of course they do. But they are also in a cult.

• 41:50Speaker 02

  It is, it is a total cult behavior. And honestly, it's their religion.

• 41:55Joe Rogan?

  It is a religion, because they're mostly atheists, yes.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  They are, let me just share this. So with the biggest critics and the naysayers of alternative theories, there's a common denominator. Like when you mentioned the pronouns in their profile.

• 42:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Almost all of them have it and they're not trans. And if you look at their political ideologies, it is extremely left. And these people are visceral, they're toxic. And let me just make a side point that I almost forgot. Is when we're talking about Wikipedia, a lot of people say, well, that's why you don't look at Wikipedia. You don't trust it. Who cares about Wikipedia? I'm like, excuse me, it shows up at the top of Google on anything that you search. So it cannot be ignored. And when you were talking a moment ago about the impossibility of the movement of these stones, I want to just emphasize this point one more time. Which is that movement of that 340-ton stone at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art is one-third the weight of the largest stones in ancient history. And when you look at what it took to do it. So it's like when people, you know, when you're using the word impossible, it's like,

• 42:51Speaker 02

  listen, what it took for us to do that, and it was a third of the weight, and he had to custom build this 260-foot-long truck with 196 wheels.

• 42:58Joe Rogan?

  And we have internal combustion engines.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Hydraulics.

• 43:01Joe Rogan?

  And we have roads that are flat and smooth.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Far better metal, far better ropes.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  And thousands of years of experience.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  The roads, one reason why they had to go 106 miles is because they had to go around different roads because most roads couldn't support the weight. Like, like, this, people that look into this, like, don't listen to Jimmy the YouTuber. Like, look into the details on yourself and you'll realize, like, this is completely inexplicable. And it's so important now because we're living in a time where people are starting to realize that not everything we were taught was true. In fact, a lot of things you see in the mainstream media nowadays have been utterly debunked. It's all propaganda. And-

• 43:36Joe Rogan?

  Right, and about history, about recent history that's easily proven, and the mainstream media will tell false narratives.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 43:45Joe Rogan?

  And so, we know that people lie. So, we know that people lie, and we know that people love to be in a position of authority, to be the only people that are allowed to distribute the truth. We know that.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  Do you want to get provocative real quick?

• 43:57Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  So, there, nowadays, there's a lot of conjecture about the historical accuracy of different things involving World War II. And Jamie, if you were to go to the Balbek folder, or in fact, go to the folder called swastika. So, this is something that I got tremendous heat for. Whereas that when I went to Balbek, I noticed that there were swastikas all over the place. And I'm like, well, that's interesting.

• 44:21Joe Rogan?

  That's an ancient symbol.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  The, the, what a lot of people are not aware of is that the swastika is prehistoric. It's found on five continents around the world and dates back approximately 10,000 years. It is found in Europe, Africa, Asia, North, and South America, all before transoceanic sea travel was thought to be possible. If you scroll through the images, Jamie, you'll kind of give the audience an understanding. Now, let me, let me preface this whole conversation with this. Fuck Hitler.

• 44:48Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, of course. Fuck Nazis. I fuck all that.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  Right? He stole the symbol, which was a symbol of peace, and he bastardized it. So, this right here, I took this photo. You'd almost think it's photoshopped in. This is literally, this is a photo. This is real. And I'm like, well, this is fascinating. I put this up on Twitter, and I said, "Did Hitler know something about ancient history that we don't?" And the reason why, and this was a sincere question, everyone started calling me a Nazi. I was spreading dangerous Nazism for it. No, this is a grown-up conversation. Hitler was a very, he was evil, but he was intelligent, and the Nazis were arguably the most technol- Logically advanced country at that time in World War II. The jet engine, rockets, and for some reason, for reasons that I cannot find a definitive answer on,

• 45:35Speaker 02

  is why was Hitler so into archaeology? They call it Nazi archaeology. And the mainstream people will say, "Oh, well, he weaponized. He was trying to get this Aryan thing going to unite people and just create an enemy."

• 45:48Joe Rogan?

  If they'll kick it to Himmler a lot, they'll say that Himmler was the one that was really into that shit.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so that's Peru, like 800 years ago. You'll find the Native Americans, the Pima Indians, the Navajo, the Apache, the Yavapai.

• 46:03Joe Rogan?

  There's actually a Hindu temple in Los Angeles that was near my old house. And we went to visit it. You could actually have weddings there. And they had to have a sign up explaining why there were so many swastikas in the building. The swastika's all over it.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  I went to Japan and it's the same thing there. They have swastikas on different tribes.

• 46:19Joe Rogan?

  Okinawan karate, when I was a kid, Okinawan karate, one of their patches was a swastika. And this was when I was a kid. So this is in the 80s, when I was studying martial, when I first started studying martial arts. You could get these Okinawan karate patches that had a swastika on it. Had nothing to do with Hitler, it had to do with Japan.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's... Oh, sorry, go ahead.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  All right, so real quick, while Jamie's on this slide. This is from the Hopewell Mound people, which is in modern day Ohio, and that dates back 2,200 years ago.

• 46:48Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ, this is from modern day Ohio 2,000 years ago?

• 46:53Speaker 02

  2,200 years ago. And so here's the point that I'm making about the swastika, is that, look, people debate on whether it was the Milky Way Galaxy, the Big Dipper, whatever you want to say its origins were. I do not think that it's a coincidence that a symbol as so specific as it is, is found on five continents around the world before transoceanic sea travel was said to be possible. Because just to remind the audience, it wasn't until 1492 when Christopher Columbus sailed the ocean blue. End of. And it's like, no, this, I believe this is strong suggestive evidence that humans were traversing the continents and the oceans thousands of years before we were taught in school, which is evidence of being more advanced than we were taught in school.

• 47:32Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. Now, what did they think this thing was?

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Well, I have an idea about that. I mean, it's not, it's just Dan's idea, but the four, the four directions, the cross that's the root of the swastika, that's pretty commonly used, even in Native American culture as like, you know, cardinal points, right? This is north, south, east, and west. So this could be a symbol for the passage of time. Here's, this sky is turning, the cardinal points turn.

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  Rotation of the earth along with the points of the compass.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Exactly. That's what I, but that's just an idea. I mean, that doesn't, it doesn't really add a whole lot of context to it as far as, you know, I,

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Why not just have a cross then? Up, down, left, and right?

• 48:10Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it crazy that a geometric pattern is evil? Not just a geometric pattern, but a mustache?

• 48:17Speaker 01

  It's, it's funny.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  It's deeply offensive.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  It's funny. It is.

• 48:21Joe Rogan?

  Like, your beard is fine. Nobody has any problems with it. But imagine, like, if, like, "Oh, you have a wizard beard. You believe in child sacrifice, you piece of shit." You know?

• 48:32Joe Rogan?

  It's very strange what we've done, and obviously, that's how horrific Hitler was.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  So, here's something people need to understand. I want to emphasize this point. Hitler, people need to look into details. He was looking for giants in Africa. They did, they, they set a mission to look for the-

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was also on meth.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:49Joe Rogan?

  I'd be looking for giants in African dudes on meth. "Bro, we're gonna go find dinosaurs. Let's fucking go."

• 48:56Speaker 02

  I love it. The thing is, though, it's like, I have not found an answer on why he was looking for the Ark of the Covenant, he was looking for Thor's hammer and the Holy Grail. And, and the thing is to me, I'm like, I don't, what did Hitler, I feel like there's something that they knew about ancient history that we don't. I don't know if this is true or not, but I want, I feel like I can't find a straight answer. And let me tell you this, if you go Googling for answers on Hitler's interest in archaeology-

• 49:23Joe Rogan?

  The FBI comes knocking at your door. What are you up to Jimmy?

• 49:27Speaker 02

  You're gonna find the same article, so this is actually kind of explosive. About two years ago, I made a video about Google sabotaging their search results. Because remember how it'll show you if you Google some topic, it'll say there's like a billion results?

• 49:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  So I made a video on this. And they would max out at, it didn't used to be this way. Because I remember watching a video years ago of people going thousands of pages to find some blog spot on some topic. It then became limited. I did experiment myself many times on benign topics such as pancakes was one of them. I typed in pancakes, had like a billion, like 700 million results. And then it'd only go back to page 41. And then it would recycle and all those pages before, the dozens of pages would recycle some of the same exact mainstream articles. And so I did this on all kinds of topics. And now Google has since removed the page numbers. And so you can only just go see more, see more, see more. And so if you Google any type of topic, and if you're looking for answers on this,

• 50:23Speaker 02

  they're gonna keep sending you the same regurgitated mainstream articles. So I can't find a reliable answer on why Hitler was so invested in ancient history. And again, I don't give a shit about his Aryan stuff. Like-

• 50:36Joe Rogan?

  Right, why was he into the occult? Why was he-

• 50:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  I want to know why he was looking for the Ark of the Covenant.

• 50:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, obviously, their engineering was insane. I mean, to this, like, look, so many of our best vehicles that we buy today, the most coveted vehicles, came out of Nazi Germany originally. Audi, right Volkswagen, which is Porsche. You know, BMW, Bavarian Motorworks. I mean, all that shit came from the fucking Nazis. I mean, have you ever seen Hitler's race car?

• 51:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 51:04Joe Rogan?

  Hitler had an Audi race car.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  Really?

• 51:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man, it's worth like a shit ton of money. See if you can find Hitler's race car. But this was, I mean, their engineering was superior. This is the reason why we had Operation Paperclip. So Operation Paperclip, we brought over all of the best Nazi rocket scientists.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  The ones that the colonies didn't have.

• 51:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's how we got NASA. We got NASA essentially from Nazis.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  That still wows people.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  To put people on the moon.

• 51:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh man, I had a, yeah, that's his original race car. Isn't that fucking crazy?

• 51:35Speaker 01

  That was basically a V2 rocket.

• 51:37Joe Rogan?

  That's an Audi, right? Is that, isn't that- What was the, oh, it was a Mercedes Benz? Did he have more than one? I believe he had a later one, that, that's it, that's the one.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 51:47Joe Rogan?

  So that one had the Audi symbol in the front of it.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Can you just clarify your pronouns, so I know not to be offended that you're interested in this?

• 51:53Joe Rogan?

  I'm he/him. I'm an American man. We're coming to your town. So, look at that photograph. Click on that. Auto Union, I guess that was what Audi's original name was. Isn't that crazy? Look at that car.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  It's pretty sharp.

• 52:10Joe Rogan?

  Pretty fucking dope. I mean, imagine if you're in 1939, oh my god, it's probably worth, it says it's worth 5.5 million pounds.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  And illegal to sell on so many markets.

• 52:20Joe Rogan?

  Is that pounds? Is that what that is, that little sign?

• 52:23Speaker 01

  So many things, they would be like, oh, that's Hitler's card, no, I'm sorry, we can't have you listed on that here, buddy, sorry.

• 52:28Joe Rogan?

  Tom Segura bought Burt Kreischer a cup, that apparently was one of Hitler's cups.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  Like one that he handled?

• 52:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  Really?

• 52:35Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly, but you know, how the fuck do you know?

• 52:37Speaker 02

  Let's get him in the studio and see this thing.

• 52:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but if you have that, you're a monster, but if you had Genghis Khan's sword, you're fucking cool.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's actually an interesting, that's a good comparison.

• 52:47Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he killed a lot more people, he killed 10% of the population of Earth.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  But he did it long enough ago that you don't hear anybody talking about it anymore.

• 52:54Joe Rogan?

  He raped so many people, his DNA's in a giant percentage of people today.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  It's not like 20%?

• 52:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some ridiculous number. We've done it before, I forget what the numbers are, but they're really nutty, but the point is, is like something particularly disgusting to us about that one genocide, and it's, it's really interesting, and, you know, you, you, you wonder, like, how long it's going to take, I mean, Dan Carlin has talked about this in depth, because he talks about the Mongols, and that it's so far in the past, you know, we're talking about like 1200 AD, it's so far in the past, that we look at it with almost like, uh, an objective perspective, instead of a moral perspective. So we say, you know, one thing that Genghis Khan did that was great, he opened up trade to the east, and he was a believer of all religions,

• 53:43Joe Rogan?

  you could practice anything, he didn't impose anything on people, but he fucking killed everybody. Like, if you were alive back then, he's- Way worse than Hitler. He killed ten percent of the population of Earth. But eh, the Nazis were so recent, you know, we have grandfathers that are alive today that fought in World War II. And they can tell you, you know, like, hey, man, I fucking remember this shit. And and then we have Jews like Ari Shaffir's dad, who was in the concentration camps. Ari Shaffir's dad has a tattoo in his arm.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 54:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, his dad's in his eighties, I believe.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Well, that's, that, that, uh, that recent memory is a big part. Like, I see the Hunter S. Thompson stuff on your wall. You, you read his, uh, book of Hells Angels, right?

• 54:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  You remember him talking about that aspect of it?

• 54:22Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  That, uh, the, the bikers, the Hells Angels rocked Nazi memorabilia. The guy, he asked the guy, why? Why don't you, and he's like, because my dad fought the Nazis and he fucking hates this. So I, I wear this because I wear this just to piss off my dad.

• 54:37Joe Rogan?

  A lot of that, this contrarian.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  But that's, that's, but my point is, is that, you know, he wouldn't, a Genghis Khan symbol wouldn't be doing any good, right?

• 54:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  It's, this, this has, this has an emotional attachment. A Genghis Khan's mustache would be fine on me, right? People might laugh at me a little bit, but.

• 54:51Joe Rogan?

  I don't even know what it looked like.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd see it. I could see the picture. Yeah, right, yeah, they don't know what he looks like, yeah.

• 54:56Joe Rogan?

  We don't know.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, it's pretty wild.

• 54:58Joe Rogan?

  It's the, the Nazi thing, the, the fact that it's so horrific, it just like puts any, anyone who has anything to say that's coloring outside the lines. You get labeled the Holocaust denier and anti-Semi, you know, the, the worst labels that they can put on you. And a good example of that is, um, that, that podcast, oh, God, I forget his name. Um, but it was the Tucker Carlson controversy where he had this guy on his podcast and he was talking about, um, what William Churchill's role in the Holocaust was. Cause they had put these embargoes on Germany and basically starving everybody to death.

• 55:40Joe Rogan?

  And they just started calling him a Holocaust denier. And that's like, not what he was talking about at all. That's not what he was saying at all. He was just saying, no, there's, there's a multifaceted explanation for why they decided to exterminate all these Jews. And part of it was because of an embargo, where they were starving people out. What is his? Daryl Cooper. And what is his podcast called? It's excellent. I listen to it all the time, but my brain's not working right now. I just got out of the gym.

• 56:10Joe Rogan?

  I'm on meathead mode.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  I know what you're talking about. I've drawn a blank on it as well.

• 56:15Joe Rogan?

  Martyrmaid, that's right. Martyrmaid. And he's Martyrmaid on Twitter and Instagram. You know, to call that guy an anti-Semite or a Holocaust denier is so stupid. He's a brilliant guy. And his podcast is excellent. And he's really sensitive and well-balanced. And he gives a very comprehensive view of things. It's not in any way prejudiced. It's a great podcast.

• 56:37Speaker 01

  But you're not allowed to call her outside the lines.

• 56:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, that's all he's... He was just saying that Churchill was one of the villains.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's very... That's realistic. Like, the multiple different reasons for that. You tighten up their belt, they're gonna... That's not gonna be passed to the top. That's gonna go straight to the people in the camps.

• 56:52Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  And that's no-brainer shit.

• 56:55Joe Rogan?

  Right. And that's not justifying the murder of all those Jews. That's not what he's doing. That's where it's so crazy about stifling discourse.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:05Joe Rogan?

  Because that was a fascinating conversation, and we should be considering that. Like, wow, that's crazy. There were so many factors, so many horrible things going on altogether.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  Well, they say you're supposed to learn from history, but how the fuck are you gonna learn from history if you actually take the lessons out of it?

• 57:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  I mean, this is an important thing here. You think about this right now with the stuff in the Middle East in the last 20 years. Every time we put an embargo on there, we are... We're not starving Saddam Hussein. We're starving the people in his frickin' prisons. Remember that.

• 57:30Joe Rogan?

  Dave Smith was talking about that on a podcast recently, that during the Clinton administration, the embargoes starved to death 500,000 children.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. See, that's fucked.

• 57:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  And that's worth remembering. And it doesn't... If having that conversation makes somebody call you a Holocaust denier, that person should be out of the conversation, in my opinion.

• 57:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  And like you were saying, academia is chock-full of those kinds of fucks right now.

• 57:51Joe Rogan?

  And they should be shamed. They should be shamed by people who wanna know the whole picture.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  It's the opposite of knowledge.

• 57:57Joe Rogan?

  Right. It's certainly not condoning Holocausts. It's fucking... It's so stupid to not be looking at everything.

• 58:05Speaker 02

  The good news is that people are waking up to this. A lot of people think, just like us, where they're objective enough to understand that, like, well, that's silly.

• 58:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  And so they're putting themselves in a corner in this echo chamber where people just aren't listening to them anymore. Like, when it comes to, like, mainstream archaeology, we call it big... archaeology, establishment archaeology, they're putting themselves into a corner where people like if you're gonna if I'm gonna ask questions about the swastika and you're gonna say I'm spreading dangerous Nazism. Some people will buy into it, but I've noticed that most people are like, no, he's asking a question.

• 58:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, we have the internet now. We have shows like yours and yours and mine where you can have conversations about things and and people get to see, oh. These people that are in control, they're all loons and they're all telling us that you have to think this one way or you're the the worst person on earth. And I don't buy it.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:49Joe Rogan?

  It's a dumb way to look at the world.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  It's un-American. Sorry to read the flag for a second, but yeah.

• 58:55Joe Rogan?

  It really is.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Proud to be, I live in a country where I can have somebody with their pronouns in their fucking bio and somebody not with their pronouns, we can both yell at each other and not have us end up in jail over it.

• 59:04Joe Rogan?

  It's also this position that people have when they're teachers, when they're educators and they have this position. You know, and I can speak to it a little bit from martial arts because in martial arts, uh, when. When I first started doing martial arts, it was in the 1980s and the 1980s, every. Discipline believed they had the very best discipline. All the judo people thought judo was the only martial art you needed to know. All the karate people thought karate was it. Taekwondo people where I came from, they all believed in taekwondo. And it took.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  UFC.

• 59:39Joe Rogan?

  The UFC to slam everything together and go, oh, Jesus, half of this stuff is fucking useless.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  Yup.

• 59:45Joe Rogan?

  And you know, and some of it's not useless, right? There were some things from like John Jones won the UFC heavyweight title this past weekend with a taekwondo kick.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  It was amazing.

• 59:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  That was unbelievable.

• 59:55Joe Rogan?

  And I was so happy because that was my thing. So me watching him do that was like, yes, why aren't more people doing this? Like you guys should have been doing this from the beginning. It's the most powerful kick in the sport. But the this, the, you were in trouble if you trained in other disciplines, like Bruce Lee was a heretic.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00:13Joe Rogan?

  And he's probably one of the most important figures in martial arts, not just because he induced, introduced people to it like myself who became martial artists because I was a Bruce Lee fan. He also combined all kinds of different martial arts and that was Jeet Kune Do. He developed a. That was essentially, he took western boxing, he took some judo that he learned and karate and all these different techniques and just tried to find what is the absolute best thing for just fighting. And that was, he was a heretic, like he was, his life was threatened for that. And it's because the educators want to be the only people that can distribute information. And they don't want to be challenged. When I was in high school, I had a teacher, his name was Mr. Holman, he was a very nice

• 1:00:56Joe Rogan?

  guy, but he was a smart guy that wanted to be the only smart guy. And he was great talking to me, because I was a stupid kid. But unfortunately, one day, I had watched a documentary, and I have, I've always had a very good ability to recall things. And we were, we were in class and he was talking about the pollution in Lake Erie. And I had just watched a documentary about the extensive work that they had done to clean up Lake Erie. And that they'd made these huge strides in removing pollution and crap and all these different things from Lake Erie. And he was talking about stuff that he had learned in school 20 years prior. And so when I was, I said, well, you know, there's a PBS documentary, and I brought

• 1:01:41Joe Rogan?

  this up in class, where there's been this extensive work, and they talked about the amazing accomplishments of cleaning up Lake Erie. And he got so mad at me. I'm like, you're not mad at me, man, you're mad at PBS. Like, I don't fucking do any research. I watched the documentary. But back then, you could say you don't know what you're talking about, and I couldn't pull my phone out and go, oh, but what? Look at that. Right. You could watch it, dude. Like, these people have done amazing work cleaning up Lake Erie. But he didn't want anyone else to have any information. What he should have said is, that's fascinating. I haven't seen that documentary. Can you, can you recall the name of it? And let's see if we can get it, maybe show it to the class. Right. I'm gonna try to do that, because that's great. Step from there. That's a good sign.

• 1:02:24Joe Rogan?

  What I'm talking about is what Lake Erie had become because of industrial engineering and because of pollution and waste that was coming from all these plants. So he was true, he was correct. But time had changed, and he did not like that I knew that, and he did. Didn't know that. And I remember being in that class going, "This is so crazy. This is my fucking science teacher. My science teacher doesn't want details. He doesn't want facts."

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  This happened to me. So I was in the military years ago, and it wasn't long after I got home from Iraq, and I was going to Warrior Leadership Course, which is to become an E5, a sergeant. And back then, they were teaching ABC, which is airway bleeding, um, what was the other one? Circulation, whatever, and, uh, for emergency medical, uh, response if someone's dying. And they had since updated where bleeding is the most important thing to focus on because soldiers were bleeding out. And during this Warrior Leadership Course, they're teaching the core, the class. Thirty people, wrong information that's since outdated. And I tried to interject to say, "Oh, this is what they're teaching now." It was the same exact thing that happened. He didn't, "Stop, you know, no, this is what, this is what's written down right here." I'm like, "No, but that's not even what they're teaching in theater right

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  now." Like, I'm trying to, "This is, this is medical emergency stuff that could save someone's life." And he didn't want to hear it one bit. And I couldn't believe it. I was astonished.

• 1:03:36Joe Rogan?

  He should have said, "That's interesting. I did not know that. We need to update what we're showing you. These three factors are the same, but now we know, thank you, Jimmy, now we know that bleeding is more primary." That should have been the, that's the response of a real leader.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:03:50Joe Rogan?

  And a real leader, you know, like there's, you're always gonna have blowhards in your class that are gonna wanna hear their own voice. They wanna talk about stuff and, and chime in and correct people. And, but you gotta let a certain amount of that. And that's the internet. And people don't like that. And that's why they wanted to ban people from Twitter. They don't like these people coming along that have ideas, that, like the Great Barrington Declaration, where they, you know, the, the government actually conspired to get these people removed from Twitter. And we know that because Elon, thank God, bought Twitter and changed discourse. But this, this was a concerted effort to take these people who were brilliant people, who had degrees, were experts in this field that

• 1:04:32Joe Rogan?

  they were discussing, and they decided they were gonna remove them because they didn't go along with the narrative and they were confusing people in a time where they were trying to force vaccinations on everyone.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  The emotion side of it, from the individual levels, like what you guys described, you have a teacher that was emotional reaction. That's a huge part of it, but when the, uh, that's a huge part of it when especially with archaeology, because a lot of it's not really hard science. A lot of it's like, I've got this arrowhead here and I've conjured up this story. And so now it's my story and you're not attacking the science, you're attacking me. But it gets even worse when you look at it, what they get like this hate for Graham Hancock, in particular Graham Hancock. They, that makes it where it's like you can't trust a damn word that comes out of their mouth when they're discussing. Like if we were talking back to the martial arts, um, you know, one of the things that came out was Aikido was just ass. It's no good at all for like man-to-man combat. It's what was it for like samurais that have been knocked off a horse or some shit?

• 1:05:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was designed to redistribute the energy of your attacker.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:33Joe Rogan?

  So if someone was coming at you with a sword, if you don't have a sword and a guy swings a sword and you're fast enough to get away from the path of the sword and grab the guy's arm or body and manipulate him to the ground to remove his sword. It's essentially a disarming.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's not the best thing in the world.

• 1:05:51Joe Rogan?

  It just doesn't work against a wrestler.

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  Okay, so now, now, and that makes.

• 1:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Wrestling is way better. Wrestling is the, if you want to find out the best way to take a person to the ground and control them, we 100% know it's wrestling.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, you just grab them and go.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  The most ancient sport in the world that dates back to the Sumerians.

• 1:06:06Joe Rogan?

  And by the way, wrestling, in wrestling, I include Judo. I, I include different forms of Jiu-Jitsu that were ancient. Because these allowed people to manipulate limbs and to control joints, which allowed them also to take people down and submit them. But the point is, you, you, you know, had a bunch of people believing that this one goofy-ass martial art was the end-all be-all because of a good Steven Seagal movie.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Exactly. No, no, and what my point was there is it's like you're, you're considered pretty much an expert in martial arts. You're not, not like you're a professional announcer for UFC. You know your shit. So if I watched you say Steven Seagal, you know, his martial arts, yeah, it's fucking Aikido, man. I don't know what to tell you.

• 1:06:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I would not do that. I would tell you Steven Seagal was really good.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Really good at Akito.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  But if you were, if you, um, if you hated Steven Seagal, if you were one of his many haters, you could just attack Akito without ever saying his name. And just be digging him a ditch, right? You could just be burying him without ever mentioning Steven Seagal's name. You could just attack Akito. Akito is a shit martial art. It's not effective. It's not very good. And then by extension, you're making Steven Seagal look bad. And this is one of their favorite tactics to do to Hancock. They will attack. This idea is racist. It's inherently bullshit. They don't have to mention Hancock's name. Now it's just, they just glue the two. They're so insidious this way.

• 1:07:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they connect, the connecting Hancock to white supremacy and aliens is the dumbest one. Because first of all, he never said nothing about aliens. And not only that, not only does he not think of it as white people built this stuff, he thinks it's the people that live there. But they lived there a long ass time ago. It's the same fucking people. It's Africans. Whoever built the pyramids, they were Africans. Like I'm an American.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, let me just remind the audience.

• 1:07:53Joe Rogan?

  That's where they lived.

• 1:07:54Speaker 02

  Egypt is in Africa.

• 1:07:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  In case you're wondering.

• 1:07:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they, that is northern Africa, and it's the most sophisticated construction we have ever witnessed on the face of the earth. Anybody that disagrees, you, you need to really study what they accomplished in, just in the Great Pyramid. It's mind boggling precision. It's not just the incredible feat of moving massive stones hundreds of miles through the mountains. It's the mind boggling precision of the construction of these, these buildings that is, it's so crazy. It's almost like they made it so nutty that even if everything dissolved and expired, it would give us at least some clue that maybe something happened. Maybe people had achieved a level of sophistication.

• 1:08:43Joe Rogan?

  And my thought is, and this is just a guess, is that as we move towards metal and we move towards using different kinds of combustion engines and electronics, we moved in a very specific area of technology. And we were allowed to do this because things have been relatively peaceful for a couple hundred years. Okay? Relatively peaceful. And also, there's war in other places, so it allowed us to spend our time here devising ways to fuck up people over there. That's the Manhattan Project, right? But if you have a completely different...

• 1:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Avenue that thinking goes in and innovation goes in. And instead of combustion engines and electronics, you have something that we haven't even considered. And that to me seems like what Egypt is. It seems to me that they have this incredibly fertile area. So if people look at Egypt now, you're looking at all this sand and all this shit. That is not what it looked like. In the thousands of years before the construction of the pyramid, it was a rainforest and it was fertile. And so my thought is these people probably had plenty of food. And so they didn't have to go anywhere. And so they weren't attacked that often, the Nubians conquered them. And that's when the statues started changing, looking more Southern African. But you, you're, you have these people that live in this incredibly resource rich place.

• 1:10:08Joe Rogan?

  And they were able to spend thousands of years there. And I think in those thousands of years, they devised methods that we still haven't even considered. Because we went in a different path and we, we can't consider any other paths. We consider our path and we say, well, we're the furthest, we live, we live today. Okay. So those fuckers in the past, they're basically cave people, right? That's how we look at it.

• 1:10:33Speaker 02

  That's, yeah, they look at them like dumb people playing with stones. Ah, they were silly. Yeah, they, they use stones because they weren't smart enough to use metal. And it's like, when you look at the details of stone, it's like, ah, you could say it's more impressive.

• 1:10:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, we wanted to talk about Gobekli Tepe. And Gobekli Tepe is not just fascinating in its construction, but also in the timeline. Cause the timeline fucked everything up. I remember when Graham Hancock and Zawie Hawass were having that big debate with that other guy who's an archaeologist. The American guy's very smug. But he's like, what evidence do you have of a civilization that lived 10,000 years ago? Well, you have one now. So you have to shut the fuck up because you were wrong. So in the 1990s, a sheep herder finds this stone. He starts kicking it and moving it around and he realizes, wow, this is a big ass stone. I probably bring in some smart dudes to figure this out. And they start digging and they go, oh, Jesus, this is these huge circles of giant stone columns with 3D carved animals on them.

• 1:11:27Joe Rogan?

  At a time that we thought people were living in teepees, right? We thought people had stone tools. We didn't think there was any metal.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  We thought it had to be done the opposite way around. We thought you needed to be a hunter gatherer, or a farmer, and then you could build. And now they had to flip that entire shit on its ear. Well, actually, maybe.

• 1:11:45Joe Rogan?

  I think they only flipped that shit on its ear to try to make it look like they were right about the timeline of hunter gatherers.

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  I completely agree.

• 1:11:52Joe Rogan?

  And to ignore the possibility of an ancient civilization before Mesopotamia.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  I completely agree.

• 1:11:57Joe Rogan?

  Because it's the only thing that makes sense. There's no way, when you're just struggling to find food, okay? And if you've ever gone on a fishing trip or a hunting trip, it's fucking hard to get food. When we have modern stuff, it's hard to get food with a rifle, right? So, these people were getting food, and they somehow or another, in between them, while like running around trying to shoot rabbits with a bow and arrow, they figured out how to make these massive stone columns and put them in position and move them in circles and...

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  And hundreds of them. Pretty great artists, too, doing some relief carvings. I mean, that's not the same as just carving...

• 1:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Not really, yeah, but animals that weren't local to the area, which is like, how do you even fucking know this is a thing? What is this?

• 1:12:38Speaker 02

  So, Gobekli Tepe, brother, if there is such a thing as an ancient conspiracy theory, it's this. So, I remember hearing Graham Hancock come on your show back in like 2015 or 2017, and he was talking about Gobekli Tepe. And at that time, he had shared that the site was only approximately 5% excavated. It's the first video on my channel. It's like August 2017, and I shared the details of it. These pillars, dates back 11,600 years, appears to be purposely buried at the same time of the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe. This is fascinating. And, you know, excavations were continuing. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna backburn this topic of Gobekli Tepe for a little while,

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  let them further their excavations, and I'll revisit this later when there's something new to share. So, earlier this summer, I'm like, alright, let me revisit Gobekli Tepe and see what's new there. And I was astonished to learn that that 5% figure was still the same. Have you heard this?

• 1:13:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've watched your videos on it.

• 1:13:42Speaker 02

  YouTube channel, Bright Insight, subscribe.

• 1:13:45Joe Rogan?

  Undeniably strange. Your videos are undeniably strange. So here's some images where you could see what it kind of looks like along with this globalheritagefund.org story on it.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:13:59Joe Rogan?

  So it sells 5%, 5%.

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  And that figure is still the same as of 2023. I had partnered, one, there's a lady who does tours there and corroborate the 5% figure. And then there's a gentleman named Hugh Newman, who's an author and also leads tours. And he communicated with me that what they were going to do, and I couldn't believe this, they're going to defer a full-scale excavation for, quote, "future generations" with a 150-year estimated timeframe for a full excavation of Gobekli Tepe. And I'm like, wait a second. Are you serious? Like, this makes no sense. We're talking about arguably not just the world's oldest ancient site, but arguably the most mysterious, because it's like you were just saying, it's not supposed to exist. Based on everything we're taught in school, it's supposed to be the Sumerians.

• 1:14:43Speaker 02

  And then you have the site of Gobekli Tepe, made up of sophisticated pillars and concentric circles.

• 1:14:47Joe Rogan?

  At least 5,000 years older.

• 1:14:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, that older than, almost 7,000 years older than Stonehenge. And Stonehenge is a mystery of itself. So I start looking in, I start Googling and looking into the details. I'm like, this doesn't make any sense. How could there possibly be, how could they defer excavations for future generations? When this may be the most important ancient site on Earth involving our lost, our mysterious, lost ancient past. And so I started digging into this and I couldn't believe what I found. So they were doing large-scale excavations, but that has since ceased. Just to clarify, they are still excavating Gobekli Tepe, but they have rolled and dialed back the large-scale excavations of the years prior. And they are focusing on conservation and tourism management of the site.

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  And like I said, with 150-year timeframe, and I'm like, wait a second. I can't, and I have all the screenshots in that folder.

• 1:15:37Joe Rogan?

  Because of funding?

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  Absolutely not. So not only have they never claimed that it's related to funding, but this is where things get bizarre, is that there's a Turkish conglomerate called the Doges Group, which can. of 250 companies within Turkey. It's a billion dollar industry. And they're the ones that took over management and funding of the site back in 2017. And they announced this at all places, the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos in 2016 is when they announced this partnership. Initial funding of $15 million. At that time, they set up the infrastructure for tourism. Roads, sidewalks, walkways, roofing platforms. And since then is when they dialed back the excavations.

• 1:16:23Speaker 02

  And I'm like, this makes absolutely no sense. So it has, let me just be crystal clear here. It has nothing to do with funding and they've never claimed it has anything to do with funding. But their excuses, they have said, one of which is that, well, we want to wait for future technologies to develop so we can more safely excavate the site. And I'm like, wait a second, hold on a second. We're talking about pillars buried in dirt. It's 2024. Do not tell me that we do not have the technological capability to dig rocks up.

• 1:16:54Joe Rogan?

  What would be an alternative explanation?

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  So, okay, this is where things get fun.

• 1:17:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  Rabbit hole, here we go.

• 1:17:05Joe Rogan?

  I love a good rabbit hole.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  Let me say a couple of things before I get into it. One of which is that them saying that they're waiting for a future technology to develop to safely excavate the site. I'm like, what type of magical shovel or pressure water hose are we talking about here?

• 1:17:21Joe Rogan?

  Vacuum, a dirt vacuum.

• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  And, and since they're saying that they're continuing to excavate the site today. Since they're saying to continue to excavate the site today, I'm like, well, which is it? Are you saying that you're doing so in unsafe methods? And I already know that's not the answer because there's been no issue with destructing the site from digging it up. It's not like they broke a pillar and like, oh dang, wait a second, we need to walk this back. We're not doing things safely. That's not, that's not the case here. So there are a few explanations here.

• 1:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's what I want to hear.

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  So one of which is that I, the most logical explanation, this is the less conspiratorial one, which is that it has to do with money. You have this Turkish conglomerate of people that are saturated with members of the World Economic Forum. For example, the CEO of the Dogus Group is a longtime member of the World Economic Forum. That may backburn the World Economic Forum for a half a second. They're business people. They took over the site and it's all about money now. Back in 2019, Gobekli Tepe had approximately 19,000 visitors yearly. Now it's at a half a million. Their focus, if nothing else, they're just trying to bring revenue in. It's all about money. Yeah, they don't care about excavating the rest of the site.

• 1:18:32Joe Rogan?

  They spend 15 more million. It's not going to bring 15 more million in revenue.

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  Right. And, and they just want their money back. Okay.

• 1:18:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, okay.

• 1:18:38Speaker 02

  But I'm like, well, this is...

• 1:18:39Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense.

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  It does make sense.

• 1:18:41Speaker 01

  Let me weigh in on that real quick. It also, um, the mystery plays... That site is probably the second most popular place on the planet with people like ourselves. And, um, the more mystery is there, the more money, it's the more like, you know, we deal in mystery. So if there's, if they excavate everything and we know everything there is about that site and it's all super mundane and there's nothing cool about it anymore, that, that, that tit dries up and there's no more coming out.

• 1:19:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but how could it ever stop being cool?

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  I agree. I agree.

• 1:19:06Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't make any sense.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  I agree with that, but...

• 1:19:08Joe Rogan?

  That one doesn't make any sense.

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  That's a Zahi Hawass kind of thing. He, he's of the same opinion where, um, I, I think a lot of the same things, excuse me, happened in Egypt for the same reasons. Zahi Hawass's quote was saying that, uh, those new age people, it doesn't matter what happens in Egypt, the new age people, they come. It's about tourism. You know, ever since the Arab Spring, tourism in Egypt's been lower. So I think a lot of the same, like the, we're going to talk in a minute about the, the hidden chamber in the pyramid that they've located and still haven't excavated for whatever fucking reason. I think that might be part of it. If, if you want to get super mundane and not conspiratorial, it's just a simple... The tourists keep coming while there's a mystery there. As soon as we open that up, it's just an empty, empty chamber. I mean...

• 1:19:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't think, I don't buy that.

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  Me either.

• 1:19:47Joe Rogan?

  The mystery of the structures themselves that we have completely excavated is just so fascinating.

• 1:19:52Speaker 02

  So let me be clear on Gobekli Tepe. It's somewhere between 5 and 10% excavated.

• 1:19:58Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch. So here's, it says some archaeological sites that are, where only 10% or less have been uncovered.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  None of which date back anywhere near remotely as old as Gobekli Tepe. And so just to put this into perspective, Gobekli Tepe, according to ground penetrating radar, consists of approximately 200 T-shaped pillars. Only 72 of them have been unearthed. And as of just a few years ago, they're, they're dialing that back to fully excavate them, which again, the 150-year timeframe. And I'm like, this is entirely unacceptable. It is, there could be hidden answers about our lost ancient past waiting to be discovered on these pillars, because all the pillars are trying to tell us some sort of story. They all have depictions, animals, all kinds of things on them.

• 1:20:39Joe Rogan?

  There's the shaman with the bag.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:42Joe Rogan?

  Which is very interesting.

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  Right, we've seen that from the Sumerians, we've seen it in South America.

• 1:20:47Joe Rogan?

  The bag thing is very fascinating.

• 1:20:48Speaker 02

  It is, it's hotly debated.

• 1:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm sure, I don't, I mean, you could say maybe it's a tool bag, you could say maybe it's psychedelics he's got in that bag, you know.

• 1:20:56Speaker 02

  Academics say it's just water.

• 1:20:58Joe Rogan?

  Water?

• 1:20:58Speaker 02

  It's a water, it's a water bucket.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  You guys familiar with the work of Martin Swetman?

• 1:21:02Joe Rogan?

  Excuse me?

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  You guys familiar with the work of Martin Swetman?

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm not.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Uh, he's the one that, um, he was on Ancient Apocalypse, season one for a minute. He's the guy who's the, um, made basically a star map of that pillar 43, and in his opinion, those three handbags at the top were three sunrises. And if that's the case, that would almost make sense, because then like a picture of an Assyrian holding that would be like, holding of astronomical knowledge, like this, this symbol could have been a symbol of knowledge of astronomy. Which is one thing honestly about Gobekli Tepe.

• 1:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Could have been a book bag.

• 1:21:33Speaker 01

  Could have been a book bag.

• 1:21:34Joe Rogan?

  Right, I mean, it kinda makes sense, they probably had to travel around with their books.

• 1:21:38Speaker 02

  So, here's the thing, that pillar, that's just one pillar out of 200, and here we are debating, we don't even know what it is, it's all conjecture.

• 1:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Pull that up, Jamie, so we can see what that pillar looks like.

• 1:21:48Speaker 02

  So, this Gobekli Tepe situation is far more bizarre than, than we've described so far.

• 1:21:55Joe Rogan?

  I think the logical explanation though is that you have massive tourist revenue coming to see it as is, why spend more money and excavate these things?

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  I think that's the most-

• 1:22:03Joe Rogan?

  So this is the pillar.

• 1:22:04Speaker 02

  I think that's the most logical explanation, but it could be more insidious than that. Because-

• 1:22:10Joe Rogan?

  So that's one pillar.

• 1:22:11Speaker 02

  That's just, that's pillar 43, the most debated one of them all, and there's approximately 128 more pillars that are still buried in the earth.

• 1:22:19Joe Rogan?

  What's that bird doing holding the earth?

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  That, that, um, Dr. Martin, Dr. Martin Swetman, uh, his first paper on Gobekli Tepe's pillar 43, he's got Scorpio in the bottom, he believes that's Sagittarius, that that's the sun, and if, uh, that that's one, basically it's a star map denoting the time that the comet smacked the earth. Is what he believes. Each one of those Vs, um, his latest paper on it, each one of those V symbols is a day, each one of, in his opinion, each one of those boxes is a month. And there is a, basically a, a full year denoting the whole thing, the way he's broke. That's very interesting stuff.

• 1:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  That's wild to me. When we talk about like the, the lack of further excavations is almost every pillar we bring up has new, new symbology, new symbols, new iconography. If we're trying to find some sort of ancient proto-language or something, we're, we need more symbols, we need more things on earth.

• 1:23:12Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  And that's completely opposed by the mainstream archaeology. The idea that these guys had any sort of written language is fucking ridiculous, but...

• 1:23:19Joe Rogan?

  And what are the theories involved in, you know, I know it's been theorized that it was purposely covered in dirt.

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  It really looks like it. If you look at pictures of the excavation, it looks like it was all piled in with stones and dirt, because if it was some sort of natural event, it would have destroyed the call, the, the pillars. The pillars are, are preserved. So, it wasn't just blown in with dust. If you look at, it's gravel and like as Graham Hancock has explained, that Klaus Schmidt, the original excavator of the site before his untimely passing in 2014, it, the people that have worked the site believe it was intentionally buried. That is debated in the, in academia today.

• 1:23:55Joe Rogan?

  But isn't there also a carbon isotope dating of the ground soil that shows it's the same age throughout the entire, whatever feet it is of the, the dirt that's covering it?

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  And, so, it, it's very apparent that it was purposely buried. And what's interesting about that is that it coincides exactly with the Younger Dryas Climate Catastrophe. So if you want an alternative idea, the, on, so, okay.

• 1:24:17Joe Rogan?

  Could it be mudslides?

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  No, because it would destroy those, those pillars.

• 1:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Knock them over at least.

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's, that, I've seen that in Iraq with the statues. So, we'll share, let's talk about this in a second. This is, so this is where things get wild. So, that means...

• 1:24:32Joe Rogan?

  That's before the excavation. This is an aerial photo from what years is?

• 1:24:36Speaker 02

  That should be 2004. Or, no, no, excuse me, that'd be, no, no, before 1994. They started excavations in 1994, 1995.

• 1:24:44Joe Rogan?

  So that is when it was just dirt.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:24:47Joe Rogan?

  Everybody thought it was just a regular hillside, which is, makes you wonder, how many more are there?

• 1:24:51Speaker 02

  Well, they're finding dozens of other sites around Turkey. Oh, yeah. That are even older. All over the place. And. Even older. Yes. So let me tell you a few different things about Gobekli Tepe. When you bring up pictures of the pillars, notice how they all annotate animals on them. Yeah. Now, this is a fun topic, and I have a few other things to share. Uh, one of which is that if you want to talk about reasons not to excavate it, I'll give you two possibilities. And this is just conjecture. I don't know what the answer is. Let me say this upfront. But part of it could have a religious implication as well as a climate change implication. Let me start with that. So we know it is an established fact that the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe happened between 12,800 and 11,600 years ago. We know that there was vast changes in weather patterns throughout the northern hemisphere.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  The only part of it that's debated, and as well as near extinction events, or extinction events of many different mammals in North America. Um, but, um, what we know is that something happened, whatever it is, is what's debated. Whether it's a cosmic impact, whether it's a pole shift, whether it's sun cycles, all kinds of conjecture all the way around. But when I mentioned the WEF, they are the biggest proponents of the man-made climate change narrative. They're the ones that want to get rid of gas-powered stoves. They want us to get rid of vehicles. They are pushing their initiatives around the world, and they believe that we're destroying the planet. I'm not saying they're entirely wrong, but I don't agree with their ways of going about it, but that's a side point. But here's the thing.

• 1:26:18Speaker 02

  When you look at the legend of Noah's flood and Noah's Ark, or excuse me, Noah's Ark and the flood. So I'm not suggesting that there was a flood that covered every mountain on Earth. And nor am I suggesting that there was a boat that housed every species of animal on Earth. However, if Noah's Ark existed, many believe that it was crashed onto Mount Ararat, which is also in Turkey. And something fascinating is that in the Bible, in Genesis 820, some of the first verses after Noah emerged from the flood is that he was said to have constructed an altar to the Lord where he sacrificed some of every clean animal and some of every clean bird. Gobekli Tepe is in Turkey, and every single one of those pillars annotates animals.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  And some have suggested that it could be Noah's altar. Now, that could be one reason why they wouldn't want to excavate it, is because Turkey is an Islamic country, and if there was some Christian religious belief that was corroborated, they might not want that to happen. Another possibility is that the site itself might corroborate the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe. And when we're in a timeframe where they don't, they don't like talking, academics, they don't like talking about cataclysms, they want to pretend they didn't happen. They want everything to be man-made climate change. They don't ever talk about the Sahara being green 5,000 years ago, like when you're talking about Egypt being a rainforest.

• 1:27:42Joe Rogan?

  They find whale bones in the Sahara.

• 1:27:44Speaker 02

  Oh, no, Joe, those are 30 million years old, so stop talking about it. It's amazing, when you think about it. Yeah. And so, as far as the climate change narrative, there could be a possibility that they don't want the evidence of a prehistoric civilization that was more advanced than what we ever thought to believe, that might corroborate some Christian narratives, and if nothing else, they don't want it to be brought into the discussion of modern-day climate change. Because, notice, on the topic of climate change, they never mention natural stuff. They don't discuss the Milankovitch Cycles, which consists of three variables, one of which is the Earth's precession, the other is the Earth's tilt, and the other is the distance from the Earth from the Sun.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  All three of those variables are constantly changing every single day, although immeasurable day by day, they happen over tens of thousands of years. But each individual of those variables impact climate on Earth. For example, when it talk about the green Sahara, they believe the most likely reason has to do with Earth's precessional cycle. I'm like, well, wait a second. Where's this in the conversation of modern-day climate change? If we're talking about us destroying the planet, I would just like an answer as far as where these three variables are in the conversation.

• 1:28:55Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the Washington Post's very inconvenient data that they published about the temperature of Earth?

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  No, please tell me.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  Did you find the Washington Post climate study? They found that we're in a massive cooling period. If you go back, you know, X amount of 100,000 years and you look at like what's happening to it. Yeah, it goes in cycles, but that's what it looks like now.

• 1:29:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:29:20Joe Rogan?

  Captures Earth's climate over the last 485 million years. Look at the dip we're in. Then look how it's never static. It's down and up and down and up and down and up all throughout the history of the Earth, which is measurable. And it's not to say that we don't have an impact on it. We definitely do.

• 1:29:36Speaker 01

  That's a pretty sharp increase there, but yeah, still.

• 1:29:38Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing, even if we didn't, but there's sharp increases in the past. Look at those back. Look at, you know, look at 390 million years ago. Look at that giant peak. That's fucking crazy. That's straight up and down.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:29:51Joe Rogan?

  It's always happened. It's not like it's static and then industrial engineering comes along and then you see this big increase. Oh, boy, what are we doing to the Earth? No, it's like even if we didn't do anything, we have no control over the temperature of the Earth. And what's really terrifying, Randall Carlson talks about this all the time, is global cooling. That's what's really terrifying. When global warming happens, oh no, you gotta move out of Malibu. You gonna be okay? You gotta move to the places where it used to be cold and now it's warm because humans have always been nomadic. That's the whole reason why we're not in Africa anymore.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  Fucking kill us all.

• 1:30:26Joe Rogan?

  Right. So global cooling will kill, global cooling will kill everything. And we came, Randall talks about this, that we came very close at one point in human history. We came very close to losing the oxygen that's required to literally keep life.

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  Jamie, will you bring up my Ice Age or Ice folder? So I have an update for you from the last time I was on your podcast. Go over to the graph, it should be one of the first slides in it, that one. Go right, hang out right there for a second. So when I was on your show last time, Joe, I discussed, I said something very specific where I said, I think the, this is what my exact words. I think the data might indicate that cold is more often than it's hot. And do you know what happened after that? I was gonna send this to you, but I held off because you've seen enough hit pieces. So.

• 1:31:14Speaker 02

  There was a hit piece done on me by Media Matters, which was funded by George Soros, and their networking of Vox and other, they did this hit piece on me to say that Jimmy Corsetti was on Joe Rogan, spreading climate change denial and inaccurate information. The only thing, if you could bring that back up, Jamie, please. The only thing that I said wrong is that I said the data might indicate that the Earth is cold more often than hot. Excuse me, no. The data absolutely definitively shows that Earth is cold more often than it's hot, and what you're looking at here is straight out of the Utah Geological Survey. It's prestigious, it's found at the top of Google, and what you're looking at here is data from the last 450,000 years corroborated from data taken from ice core samples from Antarctica as well as Greenland.

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  And what it shows is that not only are we in the middle of a three-million-year-old ice age, there's something called glaciers and interglacials. Glacials are where it's cold and the glaciers grow. Interglacials are where things warm and glaciers recede. What you're seeing here is four, arguably five, interglacial periods over just the last 450,000 years. So never mind hundreds of millions of years ago. What it shows is that the periods of cooling last seven to nine times longer than interglacials, which are periods of warming. And here's the fun part. Interglacials last anywhere from 10,000 to 30,000 years, and our warming started 11,600 years ago, which means that we're already in the window for potential catastrophe for things to start cooling again.

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  So when I was on your show last time, and I was mentioning Elon Musk talking about ice ages being a deep, deep rabbit hole, do you remember that? He was talking about it? Well, I know what he's talking about. It's this. It means that we're already in the window where things could start cooling again, and when it does, we're in a lot of trouble. I think, and I can't speak on his behalf, I would, God, I gotta tell you, next, could you just text him and ask him if he thinks it's related to pole shifts? I need to tighten up my study on this, because I'm like, I think, because let me tell you something, let me share something right now that you've never heard on this show before. You hear everyone talking about cosmic impact hypothesis, you hear people talking about sun cycles. Not a lot of people have been on here talking about pole shifts. Let me give a quick shout out to Ben Davidson of Suspicious Observers. I recommend maybe you link up with him.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  Nobody has researched the topic of pole shifts and sun cycles as much as him, and he brought something to my attention I had never heard before. Jamie, the very first slide that you showed was of the Gothenburg excursion. So there was a partial pole flip right in the middle. See how it dates between 13,007 and 12,003? So the Younger Dry is started 12,800 years ago. And it's right in the middle of that ballpark range. We already know, it is established science that when geomagnetic pole excursions happen, it changes weather patterns on Earth, on Earth, as well as the ocean current. Jamie, if you want to Google, um, there's a space.com article titled that in 2025, some scientists are suggesting that the Earth's ocean currents may stop.

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  Have you heard this? No.

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  Okay. And nowhere in the articles do they mention anything about pole excursions. So people need to understand that we're already in the middle of a, of a pole excursion, which is a partial pole flip, which means that things are shifting inside the Earth. It's also known that that can cause changes in ocean current. Now, most mainstream articles, let me just be fair and tell you what they'll say. They'll say that, oh, no, it's related to man-made climate change. We're, we're changing the currents of the ocean. I don't believe that. Um, but, yeah, don't allow, don't let them take your data. Um, look at this. Nowhere in this article did explain why. Um, but here's the thing. People need to understand that the number one thing that affects weather on Earth is, of course, the sun. The second thing is ocean currents.

• 1:34:55Speaker 02

  It's the reason why, it's the reason why England is relatively temperate.

• 1:34:59Joe Rogan?

  Go back to that, Jamie.

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  It's the reason why England is relatively temperate is because the Gulf Stream flows up there and it keeps it relatively warm.

• 1:35:08Joe Rogan?

  The way it says it here, "Key Atlantic Current Could Collapse Soon, Impacting The Entire World For Centuries To Come, Leading Climate Scientists Warn." So just by saying "climate scientists," you're already implying, at least, this is the result of climate change.

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:23Joe Rogan?

  Which further fuels this agenda that man-made climate change is the cause, is the cause of all of our woes.

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:31Joe Rogan?

  Which is a narrative that you're consistently hearing. And again, to be real clear to someone who's going to say something about this, this is not to dismiss pollution. This is not to dismiss our impact on the atmosphere of the Earth and what we're doing with coal plants and all the bullshit that we're doing. For sure, we're doing bad things.

• 1:35:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:49Joe Rogan?

  Also, if we weren't... We have no control over this thing.

• 1:35:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:53Joe Rogan?

  This thing is constantly moving, and both of those things need to be looked at at the same time. The problem is, this whole narrative of climate science has been adopted by these same fucking people that want Twitter pronouns. It's the same people, it's the same sort of thing, and if you have anything to say about it, if you want to talk about a swastika being an ancient symbol, now you're a Nazi. If you, now you're a climate denier, you're a vaccine denier, you're this or that, you're a Holocaust denier. It's like the same kind of stupid shit. And unfortunately with this one, this one is uniquely tied to money. This one is uniquely tied to green agendas and the enormous amount of funding that is going towards

• 1:36:37Joe Rogan?

  these green agendas and people that are profiting off of spreading this narrative.

• 1:36:42Speaker 02

  Bing, bing, bing.

• 1:36:42Joe Rogan?

  These philanthro capitalists that are making hundreds of millions of dollars promoting this idea of climate change being our primary problem. And if you deny it, you're a science denier.

• 1:36:55Speaker 02

  And the reason why you shouldn't listen to these people is because they're leaving out the key data involving Earth's historical, Earth's historical climate data. They're not including all these other details.

• 1:37:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:37:06Speaker 02

  And so I think people need to look at pole shifts because it's very interesting in this alternative realm that you have people that are proponents of the cosmic impact hypothesis. You have Dr. Robert Shock with the sun cycles, you have other people talking about pole shifts. I think people should consider that all the above are correct, and let me explain why. When pole shifts happen, Earth's shields are diminished. We're in the middle of a pole shift right now. The Earth's shields are diminishing and it's been happening since the 1800s. It's been accelerating over the last few decades. This is scientific data. The North Pole is shifting at like almost 40 miles a year, when it was half that just a decade ago. And when the Earth's shields diminish, we are more susceptible to cosmic impacts because lesser-

• 1:37:51Joe Rogan?

  Forty miles a year?

• 1:37:52Speaker 02

  Google it. This is real.

• 1:37:54Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:37:55Speaker 02

  It's happening.

• 1:37:56Joe Rogan?

  I had no idea. I thought it was feet a year.

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  Now, the mainstream will say, "Don't worry, it's still another thousand years away." I'm like, we actually can't prove that because we've never, we've never been, we haven't been alive to document a pole shift. But what I'm trying to say is that we should consider the pole shift thing, brother, ask Elon Musk his thoughts on this sometime.

• 1:38:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, he actually just tweeted something about it recently.

• 1:38:14Speaker 02

  What'd he say?

• 1:38:14Joe Rogan?

  He tweeted something about the magnetic poles.

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  Oh, my god!

• 1:38:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he tweeted something about, um...

• 1:38:21Speaker 01

  I think he actually retweeted the...

• 1:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Core of the Earth.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  What's his face, I forget his name, but you were just shouting out...

• 1:38:25Speaker 02

  Ben Davison?

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  Ben Davison, I'm pretty sure he retweeted Ben Davison.

• 1:38:27Speaker 02

  Oh, we need to find that out, if that's the case, because here's the thing...

• 1:38:30Joe Rogan?

  He tweets so much, though, it takes so long to go through his tweets, I don't know.

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  He does it too much, it's less effective, because I'm like, I miss stuff, and, and I follow him closely, actually.

• 1:38:39Joe Rogan?

  Jamie could find it.

• 1:38:39Speaker 02

  There you go, look at this.

• 1:38:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's the thin crust of solid rock beneath which a vast ball of molten rock, Earth's core, which generates most of our magnetic field, is 85% iron and moves independently from the surface plates, which is why the magnetic pole changes position.

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  I love Brian Romelli, if I'm saying his name right, we follow each other, he's a great guy. I think Elon Musk is giving a hint here, because you remember how the northern lights were visible as far south as Mexico recent, in the last few months?

• 1:39:07Joe Rogan?

  That was from solar activity, right?

• 1:39:09Speaker 02

  Right, but the reason why it's more visible now is because the Earth's shields are diminishing. This is, I'm not making, this isn't like from Bob's website, this is, this is mainstream science. Again, Ben Davison has taught me a lot on this, and he was actually on with Alex Jones not long ago, and he really blew Alex Jones's mind, he vetted him, and, um, so what I'm trying to say here is that, like, this is not being brought into the equation of man-made climate change at all.

• 1:39:33Joe Rogan?

  Right, because of all the things we were talking about, the educators want to be the only ones to distribute the information, and they don't want to look at the full picture, they only want to look at this one thing for the greater good of all of us. It's better if you just get people to only focus on getting an electric car.

• 1:39:48Speaker 01

  Well, like, I've, I've never, I've always, ever since I started doing this stuff, I've had people that are like, hey, man, you fact-check scientists, we want you in the climate change debate, and I've always had the opinion of like, look, I'm talking about big old rocks and moving, zero sum, there's zero skin in the game, and if I'm wrong about that, nothing changes, but if I'm wrong about climate change and I get a bunch of people, I feel a little like it's...

• 1:40:09Joe Rogan?

  It's not your area of expertise.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  Expertise and there's too much skin in the game.

• 1:40:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  But when I did the debunking of Flint Dibble's debunking of Graham, the part about the metallurgy, I spoke with an ice core specialist. And now there ain't but a handful of these dudes on the planet. Literally just a handful.

• 1:40:24Joe Rogan?

  That was a very important part of your debunking.

• 1:40:26Speaker 01

  Oh, thanks. I appreciate that.

• 1:40:28Speaker 02

  You're the guy that blew the roof on that.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:30Speaker 02

  You're the guy that contacted firsthand.

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's just explain what you did.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  Well, I spent an hour on a Zoom chat with the dude because what Flint had said was that there was no proof of metallurgy in the Ice Age. And well, of course, there's no proof of it, but he said that we can prove definitively there was no metallurgy. And that's where it's like, well, no, because they look for levels of lead and levels of lead, that graph you just showed with the interglacial periods, lead follows that. Because when there's more dust on the ground, the reason they believe is that more dust on the ground, more gets kicked up, more ends up in the glaciers. But that's the same dirt that would be kicked up if they were digging for iron, right? So either way, you're going to end up with more lead in the glaciers. So I talked to this ice core specialist for an hour on Zoom and I'm like, man, so flush this out for me, explain to me. So he explains to me how they determine whether or not lead's from an anthropogenic origin or if it's natural. And that's based on if

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  there's an archaeological site that they can match the other isotopes to. He went through all the troubles with it. He even lamented having, he's got other people in his field that are hardcore anti-pseudoscience because they're, you know, climate change deniers are dealing with. And so he's all, and he's like, some of these guys are just too zealous, overzealous with it. I get where you're coming from. But then I put the video out and Flint contacts a dude and next thing you know, well, you know, I didn't exactly say it. He doesn't change what he says. He just kind of implies that I wasn't quite being accurate. He doesn't, he doesn't give a full anything. It makes it vague all of a sudden and it's quite clear. He was pressured from a fucking archaeologist. He's a climate, he's a climate scientist. Why do you care? Because they're all part of the same little.

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  Twitter keyboard warrior, yeah.

• 1:42:05Joe Rogan?

  Twitter call members.

• 1:42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that that right there changed my attitude on like it changed my attitude on the whole global warming thing. I was like, that's probably accurate. And I was like, ah, you know, I don't fucking know. I'm going to dig into this some because I don't trust you sons of bitches anymore. I know that if somebody pressured him from upstairs, he would have crumpled like a bag because he sure did when Flint pushed him.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. So the the issue is that it's not like there's one explanation that could conceivably have caused this massive cataclysm. There's probably a lot of variables. Just like there's always been. I mean, we're we we always like to conveniently ignore supervolcanoes. When one of those blows, the whole the whole world's fucked. The country's dead. Everyone's fucked.

• 1:42:48Speaker 02

  You should consider the possibility that that's related to pole shifts as well. And I could give you a point. There's one that happened. You know, I've heard you talk about before the Toba super eruption.

• 1:42:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  Did you know that happened at the same time of a of a geomagnetic pole excursion?

• 1:43:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy. Well, it makes sense. You're having all this movement.

• 1:43:05Speaker 02

  There's movement inside the earth. A full pole shift is when they believe that the inner most the innermost portion of the molten within the earth core shifts. A geomagnetic pole excursion is a partial pole flip, which they theorize is related to the outer portion of the mantle. The earth's crust sits on top of molten everything. And when that shifts, it it shifts our compasses. And it's not unreasonable to suggest that when something shifts inside the earth, it would affect things on the surface. I talked I touched on this in the last time I was on. But when it comes to earthquakes, as an example, some originate in the crust, which is like 28 miles at its thickest, I believe, or on average. And others originate in the molten outer portion of the mantle.

• 1:43:48Speaker 02

  Well, if something shifts inside the earth, why wouldn't it cause issues on the surface, whether it be earthquakes or volcanic activity? And some volcanic activity involving supervolcanoes coincides with geomagnetic pole excursions. And so when I was on your show last time, talking about pole shifts along with the ice ages, I was part of the same topic. Why is it that Media Matters funded by George Soros decided to do a? ...piece on Jimmy Corsetti, the YouTuber. Brother, they came after me hard on this, which I, to be honest, I relished over. I was like, this is hilarious.

• 1:44:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, they don't understand that it's actually good publicity.

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  It is, and it makes me feel like-

• 1:44:24Joe Rogan?

  They're not credible anymore.

• 1:44:25Speaker 02

  Right, and it makes me feel like I'm over the target, because what's that saying about you get the most flack when you're over it? So like, I'm like, it makes me think that I'm on to something, because nowhere in any of these climate change topics, you know, as far as like the narratives on it, do they mention anything natural involving, whether it be pole shifts. They sure as hell don't bring up the Green Sahara. They don't bring anywhere into the equation. They don't bring up the scientific fact that the Earth was warmer 4,000 years ago. There's Nobel Prize laureates that have been speaking out about this. There's two of them. Dr. Clausier and there's another gentleman, I'm gonna draw a blank in the top of my head. But like, they've shared this data. This is scientific fact, and they're getting shunned and ridiculed for it.

• 1:45:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the problem is there's, there's a consensus that's been politically accepted. And, and it's been talked about so much, it's a political talking point, and if they lose that political talking point, they lose a large percentage of their platform.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:45:19Joe Rogan?

  Right, there's so many parts of the liberal, the leftist platform that they, they need to have these narratives. And one of them is climate change, and that Donald Trump is a climate change denier. The right-wing people are climate change deniers.

• 1:45:36Speaker 01

  Ergo, science deniers, ergo racists, ergo-

• 1:45:38Joe Rogan?

  It's very, it's very, very, very, very stupid, and it's bad for all of us, because I think we all need to have an understanding of how delicate our environment is, and how delicate life on Earth is, and that it is this constantly changing thing that has never been static. We know that, we know about the dinosaurs, we know about all these different things, and we know about the Ice Age. But we don't truly have a comprehensive narrative that everyone accepts. It's become politicized.

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:07Joe Rogan?

  And it's become politicized by the worst people, because they're the cultists.

• 1:46:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're the ones that made, not the only ones, but, you know, I'm a lot less political than a lot of people in this community, and I said it when, when COVID first started getting bad, and you could see it on the internet, I was real quick to say my- We're gonna be fucking locked down for years, guys. And everybody's laughing at me, but it's like, it's a political football. Neither side, neither side is going to, to drop a square. We don't live in a society of political compromise anymore. We live in a society of give them an inch, they take a mile. Neither side is going to concede one fucking inch on this. And we're going to be dealing with the same argument three years from now. And lo and behold, you were dealing and.

• 1:46:45Joe Rogan?

  That's what's crazy about this is that data has become politicized.

• 1:46:49Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:46:50Joe Rogan?

  Science and data and knowledge has become politicized.

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  Over eighty thousand papers were retracted last year. Eighty thousand scientific papers. The, oh, the, like sixty percent of them were medical. The top ten most still cited papers that have been retracted are all medical. The medical community is, is fucked right now from, from COVID. It turned in on itself and just started. And if you look at their papers and stuff, it's insane. They're, they are all at each other's throats in all kinds of different ways. Still citing retracted papers and all kinds of goofy little shit. Because it became a football, a political football. We could see it on TikTok. You watch a, you watch a nurse come out there and she's gonna be doing a little TikTok. And you could just look, is that a donkey next to her name or an elephant? If it's an elephant, she can tell you there's nobody in this hospital. It's fucking empty.

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  If it's a donkey, she can tell you about the body outside, the, a machine outside making corpse starch out of the fucking dead people that they're, they can't bury them as fast as they're dying. It's, it was so openly, easily for, the average Joe could look right through it. Could just see if this is a fucking, this is just an argument between the two parties, isn't it? They're just transferred this to the medical problem.

• 1:47:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, you remember in the beginning days of the pandemic, when they were really fear mongering? When they gave a preposterous number of people that were gonna die from COVID?

• 1:48:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:48:06Joe Rogan?

  And what was the percentage at the high point? Was it like three and a half percent or something like that? Or was it thirty percent? It was something nutty. There's a compilation video, Jamie, see if you can find it, where they're dunking on Donald Trump. Because Donald Trump said, I've heard it's less than. One percent. He was right.

• 1:48:23Speaker 02

  He was totally correct.

• 1:48:24Joe Rogan?

  Quite a bit, less than one percent.

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  He was right about the UV stuff, too.

• 1:48:27Joe Rogan?

  But I think they were trying to say that it was thirty-four percent. I think that's what they were saying. It's three point four or thirty-four, I can't remember which. But they were repeating it ad nauseam on television, that this was going to be the death rate of people that got Covid. It's one of the things that justified the lockdowns. If it really was less than one percent, people go, so it's like, what's the flu? And then you get into the flu, you go, well, what's the percentage difference? It's like fifty percent difference? Okay, what are we doing?

• 1:48:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:52Joe Rogan?

  Is it bad flu? Is that what this is? This is like a bad flu? But you can't say that, or you're some kind of anti-science heretic. You're a terrible person, you're killing grandmas.

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  You know, if you want to mix it up, Jamie, there's a video. So last time I was on, I mentioned a clip of Donald Trump talking about it's going to get cold again.

• 1:49:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  And we couldn't find the clip at the time, but I have it in my folder, Jamie. It's just Donald Trump, it's in the front with all the other folders.

• 1:49:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's one step at a time. Let's try to find that video of them all repeating the same thing over and over again. It's Brian Stelter, that little weasel on CNN, constantly repeating the fact that Donald Trump doesn't know what he's talking about. He was right. He was absolutely correct.

• 1:49:32Speaker 02

  Donald Trump doesn't just say things out of his butt like people make him out to believe. I'm not saying he doesn't talk in that way.

• 1:49:37Joe Rogan?

  A few things.

• 1:49:38Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

• 1:49:39Joe Rogan?

  He rants, he's a rantor. If you're a rantor, you run, it's like you're a podcaster.

• 1:49:43Speaker 01

  You run the rant to talking out your ass every now and again, right?

• 1:49:46Speaker 02

  But he wasn't talking out of his butt with the UV killing off bacteria and viruses.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  No, no, he just said it in a way that wasn't logical. He said like, you get the light into your body, and everybody, what is he talking about? But no, they figured out how to get LED lights into lungs to kill viruses.

• 1:50:02Speaker 03

  Can you give me a little specific thing to look at? Typing in Donald Trump Covid compilation video gives me a bunch of things.

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, Covid, uh, death rate, death rate is what's important. Death rate comp- compilation versus the media. And see, the, the media was the one that were dunking on him for saying, and they were coming over this ridiculously high rate that turned out to not be accurate at all.

• 1:50:24Speaker 01

  Well, I think, you know, we have these, those people, like those people, the, the leftists, or whatever you want to call them, the, the Flint Dibbles of the fucking world. These guys are, uh, they, like we were talking about with climate change and everything else, they don't want to leave anything in there that could let the other side have anything. They assume that the average rank and Joe, rank and file Joe public is dumb as hell.

• 1:50:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  They, they, I mean, one of the things they'll always say about ancient apocalypse complaint about, they'll be like, well, he goes on there and he talks shit about archaeologists and everybody's going to believe everything he says because it's so well made. It's like, man.

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  He didn't do that at all.

• 1:50:57Speaker 01

  And, and, and the first season, he did talk a little shit about archaeologists, but the, the, the bottom, to me, what, if I'm watching this, anything, I don't care what it is, if the person says, you know, mainstream scientists disagree with me here, but here's what I have to say, all my alarm bells go off and that tells me I cannot hang my hat on what this motherfucker's saying. I gotta go Google it. Right? That's what Graham does over and over again. Mainstream archaeologists disagree with me. So, for them to say, everybody in the country is just, everybody in the world is just gonna believe this. It's nuts.

• 1:51:25Joe Rogan?

  So it's 3.4%. So this is it. So it's, give me some volume here. I've had a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this. I think the number is way under 1%.

• 1:51:34Speaker 04

  So to fact check, the World Health Organization says the coronavirus death rate is 3.4%. President Trump lies that the World Health Organization is wrong. The number is 3.4%. 3.4% is what it's being reported.

• 1:51:46Joe Rogan?

  My boy Sanjay.

• 1:51:49Speaker 04

  The death rate. The percentage is 3.4%. And no hunch from the president can change that.

• 1:51:53Speaker 05

  Trump lied about the most recent World Health Organization estimate that the global death rate of coronavirus is 3.4%.

• 1:51:58Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 1:52:00Speaker 05

  The 3.4% death rate was wrong. And WHO data later updated it to. A fraction of 1%. Let's go back into history. Trump has a hunch that the death rate is lower than 1%.

• 1:52:11Speaker 06

  Way under 1%, way under 1%.

• 1:52:13Speaker 05

  Well, someone put a mozzarella stick in his stupid hole.

• 1:52:16Speaker 06

  Trump lied to viewers about the mortality rate. Way under 1%. False information.

• 1:52:20Speaker 04

  He's spreading disinformation. Misinformation. Dangerous. Disinformation. If you're president of the United States, you have the world's greatest scientists at your disposal. You listen to them. Leading scientists in.

• 1:52:30Speaker 05

  Including Dr. Fauci wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine that the death rate could be considerably less than 1%.

• 1:52:38Joe Rogan?

  Way under 1%. See, this is, we've seen enough. These people are fucking puppets, man.

• 1:52:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:52:45Joe Rogan?

  They're puppets and they willfully, gleefully, repeat these narratives.

• 1:52:50Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:52:50Joe Rogan?

  And instead of saying, "Well, where did you get that information? Who are you talking to? Let's find out if that's correct." "Why does the World Health Organization think it's 3.4%?" Is there any nefarious intent behind this whole idea of it killing everybody? That's forcing some enormously profitable venture? Like, forcing everybody to take these fucking new vaccines you guys developed?

• 1:53:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:53:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, is that, could that be factored in? Maybe? Well, no, only, you only hear that it's factored in once everybody's profited and got out, including Bill Gates.

• 1:53:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:25Joe Rogan?

  Bill Gates, who's on television telling everybody, "Get the vaccine, you won't get COVID," and then afterwards, "Ah, it didn't work." After he had unloaded all of his stock, he wasn't effective, and it turns out COVID wasn't as bad as we thought it was. Well, you guys are really responsible for a bunch of people taking a medication that was unproven. You're responsible for all the side effects. You're responsible for all these, and you're responsible for fear mongering, lying, closing down businesses, ruining economies, changing the political structure of the country.

• 1:53:54Speaker 02

  They need to be held to account. I'm not gonna forget this, and a lot of other people want, people's lives were destroyed. And, it is, I mean, there needs to be, there needs to be a reckoning.

• 1:54:06Joe Rogan?

  Elon recently said that he is still, his pronouns are still prosecute Fauci.

• 1:54:10Speaker 02

  I love it, I love it.

• 1:54:11Joe Rogan?

  And he has a real, real possibility of making an impact.

• 1:54:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, he does.

• 1:54:16Joe Rogan?

  I mean, they, they listen to him.

• 1:54:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:18Speaker 01

  When it comes to the, when it comes to the, uh, the economic side of it, I honestly think, if, out of everything, if, uh, well, the jab notwithstanding, just strictly from a top-down perspective, those guys, I mean... It's the most immense...

• 1:54:32Joe Rogan?

  Transfer of wealth in modern history.

• 1:54:34Speaker 01

  Fuck. Amazon, Walmart, eBay, all these motherfuckers cleaned house. And you know what shut down in Spokane? We lost White Elephant. This guy had started in the 40s after World War II. He would buy surplus and put it in this store. He had fishing lures for 30 cents, fucking Transformers from the 80s. He was buying in 2000s, sold them on eBay. Got all kinds of shit there. And he went out of business because he had to close his doors. All, everything.

• 1:54:54Joe Rogan?

  Everything. Restaurants in California and LA.

• 1:54:57Speaker 01

  You can't even go to fucking Walmart at 2:00 in the morning like we did. Like, everything's closed now at a certain time compared to where it was. Everything's changed.

• 1:55:04Joe Rogan?

  Important because the coronavirus doesn't stay up.

• 1:55:07Speaker 01

  It doesn't stay up, that's right.

• 1:55:08Speaker 02

  And it doesn't exist when you walk to your table and sit down.

• 1:55:11Speaker 01

  All the homeless people need a place to hang out. And so Walmart parking lot at 2:00 AM, that's when they show up.

• 1:55:16Joe Rogan?

  I meant that actually the opposite. Coronavirus comes out at night. But it doesn't even, like, the whole thing was so dumb because then they allowed Black Lives Matter protests. Like, what about 6-foot distancing? Everybody's breathing, they're screaming. They're all yelling down the street. And you guys think that's not gonna spread it?

• 1:55:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:55:31Speaker 01

  And the brain-dead stuff behind the symbolism. I talked about this a long time ago on my channel. The person that thought of, oh, we're gonna have this band play. Let's get them masks that have a big hole in it to show solidarity with everybody in the audience. That person's a fucking idiot. It's like, everybody's just gonna look at that and be like...

• 1:55:47Joe Rogan?

  How about people swimming?

• 1:55:48Speaker 01

  So we don't need masks.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  Oh, my god. It hurts me to see those clips. Now, COVID was one of the biggest IQ tests in modern times, I feel like.

• 1:55:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was really a compliance test. That's what it was.

• 1:56:00Speaker 01

  It was a lot of compliance testing.

• 1:56:02Joe Rogan?

  And check to see how many cowards there are out there that even, even though they know something to be true, are terrified of the blowback so they don't speak about it. And when you do speak about it, you do get attacked. You know, I obviously experienced that, and I was fascinated by it. I mean, it was kind of horrifying to watch, but also fascinating. Like, oh, so this is real. Like, you guys are just completely all lock-in step and all full of shit. And you don't even care that I got better quick.

• 1:56:28Speaker 02

  Brought to you by Pfizer.

• 1:56:29Speaker 01

  And you can watch how the world, you can see this from a world perspective too, different, different communities all around the world reacting differently. I remember lots of people, "Oh, why can't we do like Korea and Japan?" "Well, almost everybody's wearing a mask over there and they do all this reporting and all this stuff." It's like, "Yeah, you ever been there, man? You ever talked to any Koreans or Japanese people? Their fucking culture is lockstep compared to ours." They are very much, there's, there's no counterculture in those communities. That's counterculture, people are all in jail.

• 1:56:55Speaker 01

  You have one community, so yeah, they're told to do this, they fucking do it.

• 1:56:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, obviously, our media is so compromised, so obviously compromised. And you know, Callie Means has a really good point about this. He was saying that the reason why they spend so much money advertising on cable news is not because it's effective. It's because, once they do that, now cable news cannot criticize them.

• 1:57:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:57:20Joe Rogan?

  It's so much smarter. Cause it's like, "Listen, we're spending all this money just to make sure that you guys toe the line." That's what they're doing. And so the news is not the news. It's only the news if an advertiser agrees that it's the news.

• 1:57:37Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:57:37Joe Rogan?

  And that's not good.

• 1:57:39Speaker 01

  No, it's really bad.

• 1:57:40Joe Rogan?

  That's not good for anybody, left wing, right wing. If you think that somehow or another money gives a fuck about your political persuasion. It's just, it's so stupid that it got attached to a political ideology and from the most compliant of people. Those are the ones who are the most willing to go along with the narrative. Because the consequences on the left of, of coloring outside the lines, they attack you so hard. They crush you so hard, like the smarter maid situation. Or any, anything, anything where you're stepping outside the line to talk about it. Like what you experienced just discussing something that turns out to be absolutely correct. They fund a big hit piece about you, which essentially acts as an advertisement for you.

• 1:58:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:58:19Joe Rogan?

  It just builds your channel.

• 1:58:20Speaker 01

  It's the Streisand effect.

• 1:58:21Joe Rogan?

  And then people go to your channel, go, "This guy's great." The show's awesome. This is interesting information and just undeniable facts, the undeniable facts, like that no one can discuss, no one can debate in any way, shape or form the actual size of these stones, where they came from. This is not under debate. So just the undeniable stuff is unbelievably fascinating. And then when they go to your channel, they go, where's all the Nazi shit? I heard this guy's a Nazi. I'm looking for some Nazi shit. I'm just getting facts.

• 1:58:50Speaker 02

  You know, we should go back to Gobekli Tepe, Gunung Padang and the Great Pyramid because there's some more stuff involving archaeology and lack of excavations that are actually pretty significant. So going back to Gobekli Tepe, one of the photos that Jamie that you showed earlier was before excavations began and do you notice that there was no trees there? So one of the controversies is that there's some 800 trees that were planted on the site a full decade after excavations began and the trees are buried or were planted on top of ancient ruins which stand to not only destroy the ruins but also highlights that they can't excavate what's underneath them while the trees are there. And so here's the before and after.

• 1:59:33Joe Rogan?

  So what's the conventional explanation for why they planted all these trees over a site that they know is filled with ruins underneath it?

• 1:59:40Speaker 02

  So when this property, this was a property owned by farmers and the Turkish government wanted to purchase the land for them and the owners felt that they were being lowballed. So what they did was they planted olive trees on top of the site in order to increase the value of the land, which for me, when I first heard this, I'm like, I don't understand. This doesn't make sense to me. Gobekli Tepe is already priceless. It's the world's oldest and most mysterious ancient site on earth. It's priceless. Now, to be fair, and Dan, you've harped on this and I really, I agree with you.

• 2:00:10Speaker 01

  It's government stuff. If the feds are gonna buy your land for a highway, they don't care what's underneath. They don't care what's an Indian burial ground or what. It's what's this land worth? And this city, this kind of property, so they made it an orchard instead of a desert.

• 2:00:21Speaker 02

  Now, here's the thing, though. Of all things, they planted olive trees and there's something that was enacted, it's called the olive law in Turkey in the 1930s, where it's illegal to cut down olive trees in Turkey. So, I'm like, well, that's interesting.

• 2:00:35Speaker 01

  And let me ask you this real quick. Imagine, no, just imagine being the owner of that property and you've got this, you've found these ruins here. You've got all these people coming out, they're paying you money to check shit out. You're selling all kinds of stuff and now you're, the government's gonna take it from you. You've had it for 10 fucking years and now the government's saying it's theirs. So you go out and you start planting trees. So when you dig a hole to plant that tree, you find an artifact. Do you put that in the pile of artifacts to hand to Klaus Schmidt? Or do you put that in the pile to sell to the antique collector that's not gonna tell anybody? Obviously, you put it in, he's pissed off. I, my opinion is that guy sold a ton of fucking artifacts while that was going down. He just, why wouldn't you?

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Now, are there artifacts connected to Go Back to Turkey?

• 2:01:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, they find stuff.

• 2:01:14Joe Rogan?

  Like what kinda stuff?

• 2:01:15Speaker 01

  Like, no pottery or anything, but they have found like, um, one of the biggest things is a bunch of chunks of stone. Like, to archaeologists even, they call a microchip, which would be like a tiny little piece you get from, that's still technically an artifact.

• 2:01:27Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:01:27Speaker 01

  Um, so there's a lot of that kinda stuff there. A lot of bones that have been charred and things like that, but, uh, there's nothing too terribly amazing.

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  No tools?

• 2:01:35Speaker 01

  Well, nothing too crazy, but, um, again, that's the kinda stuff that would possibly, you know. I'm a lot, this where my skepticism can get a little cynical. You know, I'm of the opinion if the Antikythera mechanism would have been identified as what it is and they pulled it out of the ocean, it would have never made it to a museum. That there was somebody, I, I was like telling Jim last night, we were having dinner. Um, if, if the reports of giant bones that you see in the 1930s from guys that were over in New Mexico and then they're bringing them back to the Smithsonian, they just never made it there. Uh, if they really did find giant bones, which I'm skeptical of, but if they did, uh, this is probably an advertisement to sell them while they're traveling these things across the country. Oh, you know, just happened to lose them along the way, cause this dude came over and bought them. Ooh, that's, this has been a problem since day one and...

• 2:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Especially when you think about those kind of like crazy, old school Rockefeller type billionaires.

• 2:02:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:24Joe Rogan?

  Who really love to control and... Information and everything.

• 2:02:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:02:28Joe Rogan?

  If you have access to something that's just undeniably throws the whole timeline into a question or throws a narrative of human beings to a question.

• 2:02:36Speaker 01

  Now you've got some power with that little artifact, don't you? So, yeah, you see, that's, that's, I'm, I'm of the opinion that that's been a problem. Like, I don't believe in the Dendera light. I assume you know what the Dendera light is, right?

• 2:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, you glossed over the Antikythera.

• 2:02:48Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:02:49Joe Rogan?

  How do you say it?

• 2:02:49Speaker 01

  The Antikythera mechanism?

• 2:02:51Joe Rogan?

  That one is fascinating.

• 2:02:52Speaker 01

  It's crazy, ain't it?

• 2:02:53Joe Rogan?

  Because that is, how old is it?

• 2:02:54Speaker 01

  It's like two thousand years old, three thousand years old.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  Two thousand years old. It's a hand carved brass machine that you use to, it, it, it tracks the cycles of the moon, the earth, and different planets in our solar system.

• 2:03:09Speaker 03

  Brilliant.

• 2:03:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And they didn't know what it was and they found it. It was like some corroded up gears. And then they start doing, uh, some sort of a, I mean, I don't even know how they did it, how they understand all the different pieces of it because it's all corroded together. But they use some sort of scanning mechanism, correct? To, and see if you can find what it actually looks like.

• 2:03:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can buy replicas of it nowadays. They make little boxes of the damn things.

• 2:03:34Joe Rogan?

  That's what it looked like when they found it.

• 2:03:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:36Joe Rogan?

  But now, show what it looks like when they've done a scan of it.

• 2:03:40Speaker 03

  I just stumbled across something interesting, too. When the guy found it, he, uh, heap of dead naked people.

• 2:03:45Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:03:47Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 2:03:48Joe Rogan?

  He emerged from the sea shaking in fear and mumbling about a heap of dead naked people. He's among a group of Greek divers from the eastern Mediterranean island of Simi, who were searching for natural sponges. They had sheltered from a violent storm near the tiny island of, how do you say it again? Antiky...

• 2:04:03Speaker 03

  Antikythera.

• 2:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Antikythera. Between Crete and mainland Greece, when the storms subsided, they dived for sponges, chanced upon a shipwreck full of Greek treasures. The most significant wreck of the ancient world to have been found up to that point. The dead naked people were marble sculptures scattered on the seafloor, along with many other artifacts. Soon after, the discovery prompted the first major underwater archaeological dig in history. So, see if you can find what this mechanism looks like, what it actually looks like.

• 2:04:29Speaker 01

  There's, there's a replica.

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so this is the replica of this thing, this incredible piece of engineering from two thousand years ago, where all these gears and all these planets and... You you could figure out where everything was. How? How? How'd they do this? How'd they do this? And this is beyond what we ever thought was available back then.

• 2:04:52Speaker 01

  No, there is a YouTube channel that a guy goes through. I forget his name, but um he does go through and he he makes one of these with old school tools. But he's making each gear by hand. He's making the wire by hand.

• 2:05:02Joe Rogan?

  Boy, that guy's a dork.

• 2:05:04Speaker 01

  He's a dork, yes.

• 2:05:05Speaker 02

  Bring him on the show.

• 2:05:07Joe Rogan?

  Greatest possible version of a dork. I mean it in a good way, sir.

• 2:05:09Speaker 01

  But it is fun to watch, but it's uh.

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Incredible, though.

• 2:05:12Speaker 01

  But but at the end of the day, it's the that's that's interesting to be able to to recreate it. But the planning of the thing, that's really where the.

• 2:05:20Joe Rogan?

  The engineering, the mathematics. And then you have to take into consideration. What is this based on? What knowledge was available back then that we did not think was? So we're talking about 2,000 years ago. This is the time of Christ. We did not think that they had any kind of machines that were in any way similar to that thing. What else don't we know?

• 2:05:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:05:41Joe Rogan?

  What else is lost? And how much of that stuff is gone? Like, if this is 2,000 years ago and it's that corroded, what does 10,000 years do to it? Right?

• 2:05:48Speaker 02

  Oh, it'd be dust at the bottom.

• 2:05:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:05:51Speaker 02

  And the fact they even found it at the bottom of the ocean is a miracle in itself.

• 2:05:53Joe Rogan?

  This is what's important to understand. And this is another lie that uh Flink Dibble told about the number of shipwrecks that have been found. And not only that, but what would be left over after just a few thousand years? And that when they find these 1,000 year old shipwrecks, they don't find any wood anymore. You just find the pottery. So you just know where the shipwreck is because there's a bunch of gold on the ground and some pots. But if you go back 10,000 years before that, how much has the surface of the floor of the ocean shifted? How much of that stuff has been covered up? How much is it? 10,000 years is so long. Now, what if it's 20,000? What if it's 30,000?

• 2:06:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:34Joe Rogan?

  To say we don't know is the correct thing. It's the correct thing to do, and that's what nobody. Wants to do.

• 2:06:41Speaker 01

  There's a, there's a hypothesis, it's more of a, uh, it's more of a, uh, like a mental, uh, I forget the name of what you call it, like a, a mind teaser, like a way to make your brain think. It's called the Solerian hypothesis. The Solerians are a Doctor Who monster that supposedly lived on Earth like millions of years before humans. Wake up one day and they find all these monkeys running around, they decide they don't like us. But the hypothesis is, how would you determine if there was a species where it advanced civilization that lived on the earth a million years ago, five million years? As soon as we have fossil fuels, as long as we had, the first bit of oil had been created on the planet, you could have a civilization like ours. So what would you look for?

• 2:07:19Speaker 01

  Uh, the only conclusion is maybe nuclear stuff. If they tested like maybe a nuclear power plant, we might still be able to find some radioactive material, but beyond that, not a goddamn thing. After 10 million years, you ain't gonna find a fucking bit of it. And that's what their conclusion is. And, and this is a scientific thing. This is something, a thought tool, that's what it's called. It's something that they use in science, in archaeology and history and stuff presumably. To, to, to look at that problem. But these guys like, obviously didn't do that. Like I said, he thinks people are stupid. He said, right here on, in, sitting in this room that, oh, well, you know, it doesn't matter how long something's underwater. You might think that it matters how long something's underwater, but it really does. It's like, are you fucking kidding me?

• 2:07:59Joe Rogan?

  Of course it does.

• 2:07:59Speaker 01

  The fuck, if anybody knows that.

• 2:08:01Joe Rogan?

  Of course it does, just in terms of whether or not you're gonna find it. Right? They, they haven't done like a comprehensive LiDAR scan of the bottom of the ocean floor. They just have not done that. That's not possible right now. But if they did do it, who fucking knows what they'd find down there?

• 2:08:15Speaker 02

  Well, here's where things get nuts, is that here we are talking about things as far as tens of thousands of years. So we do have a site that Graham Hancock highlighted in season one of Ancient Apocalypse called Gunung Padang in Indonesia, and Jamie, I have a folder on this. So this pyramidal structure could potentially be 27,000 years old. It's hotly debated. But as Graham Hancock highlighted, there is a subterranean tunnel and chamber, which may have those, those dates. And it's not being excavated. And a geologist, Danny Nanamwajawa, I can't, I never pronounce it correctly, forgive me Danny. But he is a geologist that analyzed the ground penetrating radar, and he said there's a strong likelihood that it's man-made.

• 2:08:57Speaker 02

  Now, the, the skeptics, the academics will say, well, it's probably just a lava tube because the structure is volcanic in nature. But something interesting has happened that back in 2014, the Indonesian government said that they were willing to allocate unlimited resources and funding to excavate the site. Something shifted a handful of years ago where they're not excavating it now, and as of today, there's no plan in place to find out what that subterranean chamber is. So if it was indeed manmade, we don't know. It could be natural, it could be manmade, but we're never going to know what it is until we go digging.

• 2:09:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, we do know for sure is that people occupied the land above it after that.

• 2:09:38Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. Hundred percent that is a manmade structure. It was volcanic in nature, but they terraced it. It's a pyramid-like structure. It's not a pyramid.

• 2:09:48Joe Rogan?

  And we do have examples over and over again of truly ancient things, unexplainable things, where people built more crude versions above it.

• 2:09:57Speaker 02

  All over the world.

• 2:09:58Speaker 01

  The lava tubes, there's all kinds of places in South America where they have a big pyramid built on top of a spring. The lava tube could have been a cave that was sacred that they just kept embellishing and kept embellishing and kept embellishing, saying it's just a lava tube, not a manmade tunnel down there as a non sequitur. Anybody who knows anything about ancient history could understand how a sacred site could have a pyramid built on top of it.

• 2:10:20Joe Rogan?

  Let's take a bathroom break. Absolutely.

• 2:10:22Speaker 02

  Come back. Okay. So where were we? We were... Well, we're about the lack of excavations at Gunung Penang, and this should segue into something that's very, very interesting, which is the Great Pyramid of Giza. I've already said that Gobekli Tepe is arguably not just the oldest, but the most mysterious ancient site on earth because it's not supposed to exist. However, the Great Pyramid of Giza, I would say probably trumps it from the standpoint that it's just so mysterious, its sophistication, as well as the fact that we have no idea how it was constructed. And it's arguably the most debated structure in all of human history for two standpoints, one of which is that so many people debate on whether it was built to be a tomb for

• 2:11:04Speaker 02

  the pharaohs, or whether it was some sort of lost technology and had some other purpose, whether it's energy or whatever it may have been. Which is a fascinating topic and I'll have a story involving me visiting it there with a certain person that really is, it's a story in itself, but let me say this. So there, back in, eight years ago, back in 2016, through Muon Technology, they discovered that there's a hidden chamber in the Great Pyramid, which is massive. Jamie, I have a folder on this, "Great Pyramid Hidden Void." And it was established in 2017 through a scientific study. So we're talking seven, discovered eight years ago, corroborated, or eight years ago corroborated seven years ago in a study.

• 2:11:45Speaker 01

  No Egyptologist debates it at all.

• 2:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Is that a rough interpretation of the shape?

• 2:11:49Speaker 01

  Yes, they don't know the exact shape of it. They have an approximate size and an approximate shape.

• 2:11:54Speaker 02

  So, now, many theorize that it is a second so-called Grand Gallery. It was originally thought to be 30 meters long, now they have it at over 40 meters long, so almost 150 feet, and it is above the so-called Grand Gallery. And, so, when they first discovered it, Zahi Hawass came out of the woodwork and like denounced it and said, "This is nothing", you know, you know, and they said they were gonna spend a few years debating with the international community on how to go about it. Brother, that was seven, eight years ago, almost rounding up to a decade, and as of today, there is no plan of any kind to go in and find out what's in there.

• 2:12:32Joe Rogan?

  So they would have to go through the walls to get to it?

• 2:12:34Speaker 02

  No, actually. Brother, they could just drill a one, a half-inch diameter hole and set a little tube camber through it, and they could figure out what's in there by the end of the week.

• 2:12:42Speaker 01

  Get an endoscope right there, just like when you go to the doctor.

• 2:12:45Speaker 02

  And, here's what's so important about this. Like, we're talking about the most debated, and argue the most important, structure in all of human history. Was it a tomb? Was it a lost technology? We have no idea how they even built it. That's the only thing that's more debated than that, is how did the Egyptians construct the pyramid? So many theories have already been debunked on it, we just don't know how they did it.

• 2:13:04Joe Rogan?

  2,300,000 stones that were supposedly all put in place within 20 years.

• 2:13:10Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:13:11Speaker 01

  The reign of the pharaoh Khufu. The 20 years part, I've referred to that as like the gateway drug to becoming the pyramidian. It's, that's, that is, that 20 years thing's the stupidest fucking thing. If any guy who's ever stacked bricks for five minutes knows that is absurd. But they just run with that because you know, you can't. That's one of the weird things. Their written record is more robust to them than the actual like science. Like the carbon dating for the pyramid and the written record are a couple hundred years off. All of the entire fourth dynasty, the carbon dating is a couple hundred years off. They just come up with some explanation for it and stick to that written record.

• 2:13:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, my favorite is when they look at the hieroglyphs that depict pharaohs from 30,000 years ago. They're like, oh, that's all bullshit.

• 2:13:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the one that a little further down, this is, this is important shit here. But up there, nah.

• 2:13:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, why do you think that the 30,000 year mark is bullshit, but the 5,000 year mark is legit? Like, that is really weird, guys.

• 2:14:02Speaker 01

  It is.

• 2:14:02Joe Rogan?

  Like, why are you conveniently ignoring all this other stuff while validating the more recent stuff?

• 2:14:07Speaker 02

  Because it contradicts the textbooks they already wrote.

• 2:14:10Joe Rogan?

  Contradicts the educators.

• 2:14:11Speaker 01

  That, that, that dynamic, sorry, really quick, that dynamic, you mentioned Christopher Dunn. Um, when he saw one of my recent videos about two months ago, me and him are gonna start, he's gonna come on my channel and each artifact that he's covered, we're gonna discuss one at a time. He knows I don't believe in ancient high technology. And he told me, basically to summarize what he said is that he is tired of having either yes men or cynics. He wants somebody that doesn't agree with him to sit down and have a conversation about these things. And that'll be honest and we can actually get somewhere. And, uh, it was like, it was like the guy had been waiting 40 years for me. I had a fucking GED and I worked as an electrical man. I don't fuck, I should not be the one sitting in the chair next to the man, but all the, all the people qualified to do it want to treat him like he's an idiot.

• 2:14:52Joe Rogan?

  Right. And his theory is very fascinating. That it was some sort of a power plant generated hydrogen and it's feasible.

• 2:14:59Speaker 02

  It's, it's wild and I gotta tell you, you, you know, when you walk through the great pyramid, there's nothing about it that resembles anything like a tomb. It seems like it was some sort of industrial function that had a, or a function of some kind. So here's a story and I have his permission to share it. So I had the, you know, the only thing more wild than than the topic of the mysteries of lost ancient civilizations is the diverse nature of people that are into this topic. So I had the pleasure of connecting with George St Pierre, the goat, the great legendary UFC fighter. And because of him is how I went with him to Balbek. He had unique connections and I was able to go with him and we had connected and then I went with him from there to Egypt. And we went inside the Great Pyramid. It was his first time in there.

• 2:15:44Speaker 02

  And we basically tipped the, we tipped the guard, I'll just say it. And we had the King's Chamber alone to ourselves for a few minutes. And we were with Youssef Awian, who's the son of the late Akeem Abdullah Awian, who was the mentor of John Anthony West. And he was in the Pyramid Code. And so George laid in the so-called sarcophagus and Youssef did the om. I can't do it, but you do it with your throat and he does it inside the box and it makes the whole granite box vibrate. I've experienced, it's wild. It feels, it's the reverberation off the, off the stone. So he did that to George, George laid in it and he did it for about a minute.

• 2:16:23Speaker 02

  And this is, so George comes out of the box, his eyes were wide open and he said, yeah, there he is. He said, I'm coming out of retirement, I'm going to win the title. And he just started pacing around the room. So fast forward three, four hours later, I'm in the hotel pool with him. What year was this? Just last year, September of 2023. And just to clarify, at that time, he was considering doing a grappling match? That's not what he was talking about. He was talking about winning the UFC world title again. So fast forward a few hours later, I'm at the hotel, the Mina House Marriott Hotel Pool with the pyramids overlooking us.

• 2:17:03Speaker 02

  And I'm like, uh, hey, George, you said you were thinking about coming out of retirement. And he's like, I love his accent, no Jimmy, I'm not coming out of retirement. And I said, Well, what made you say that? And he's like, he thought about it, he's like, it's just how I felt. So, just to clarify, arguably the GOAT, although him and Jon Jones, you know, they're comparable, just different, but the GOAT. And his first inclination out of coming out of the box with his why, his eyes wide open, was like, I'm coming out of retirement, I'm gonna win the title. And I asked him, and he's like, no, I'm not gonna do it. It's just how I felt in the moment. And I'm like, when people talk about it in the context of it being some sort of energy

• 2:17:48Speaker 02

  device, some people have speculated that with all these legends of humans living to hundreds and even thousands of years, some people have proposed that maybe it was a DNA restoration. I have no idea what it was, I just don't think it was a tomb, I think it was something else, I think it was a functional, uh, structure of some kind. But the fact that someone like him, with his history and his accomplishments, the fact that that was the first thing that he felt, coming out of that box after doing the reverberation thing, is a story. Like, I don't know what to make of it.

• 2:18:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't, I think that's normal.

• 2:18:18Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 2:18:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, I think, uh, a guy like that has always got it in the back of his head.

• 2:18:23Speaker 02

  That's a good point.

• 2:18:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, that's the highlights of his life. When he was, uh, conquering everyone in the welterweight division, he was the greatest fighter on the planet Earth. It's the highlight of his life. So anytime he gets an elevated feeling. I'm sure that's one of the reasons why, like a lot of old fighters, they drink a lot or they do drugs, and think they're trying to, they, they experience highs that most people could never imagine.

• 2:18:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:18:48Joe Rogan?

  And I think whenever they experience a new high, some new thing, they get in their head, I'm making a fucking comeback. And they want, they wanna chase that dragon.

• 2:18:56Speaker 01

  They get in the ring with Jake Paul?

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think that probably had more to do with money. Yeah. But it's just this thing that just is in every one of those people.

• 2:19:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, that makes sense. Although, the fact that he's laying inside the Great Pyramid, and you would almost think that'd be the furthest thing from his mind at the time.

• 2:19:15Joe Rogan?

  No, it's an elevated experience. That's right. So it's an elevated experience. It makes him very excited. And when a guy like that is very excited, he thinks about the most exciting thing he's ever done. He's like, "I'm gonna fucking go do it again."

• 2:19:26Speaker 02

  We gotta get you in that box. We gotta get you in the Great Pyramid.

• 2:19:28Joe Rogan?

  I'd like to go in the box. I'd like to go there. I really would. It's just a matter of carving out the time. And I really have to do it. Especially if, let's see what happens with the world. The world just keeps getting sketchier and sketchier in certain parts of the world.

• 2:19:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  Sadly. Yeah, sadly. It'd be nice to be able to visit.

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  Going back to the point of the, this hidden chamber.

• 2:19:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:49Speaker 02

  Like, what is, so...

• 2:19:51Joe Rogan?

  Why would you not want to explore that?

• 2:19:53Speaker 02

  It makes no feasible sense. Like, let's just say that, well, first of all, whether it was a tomb or something else, we could find out by going in there. Maybe there's another, maybe there's a pharaoh in there. Maybe we'd instantly know that, okay, all this conjecture and debate is, is now been put aside. We know that...

• 2:20:10Joe Rogan?

  sarcophagus.

• 2:20:10Speaker 02

  There could be treasure there.

• 2:20:12Joe Rogan?

  They stash the dude for real.

• 2:20:13Speaker 02

  And here's something else.

• 2:20:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:14Speaker 02

  A lot of conjecture as far as a lost technology. Could there be some sort of evidence of a tooling on how they constructed it? Could there be evidence on how it was constructed itself? Even if it's a completely empty room and nothing else, we still would have learned something new. In fact, and I've joked to other people, like, "Hey, they could turn this into a pay-per-view event." I bet you a hundred million people around the world...

• 2:20:34Joe Rogan?

  I was just thinking it.

• 2:20:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. But even if there's nothing in it, even if there's nothing in it, it's still a win because we will learn something new.

• 2:20:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:42Speaker 02

  And it is, look, the academics will say, "Well, we don't want to damage the pyramid anymore." I'm like, "Okay, I respect that, but the thing is already a wreck. They used tons of dynamite to blast their way in it. The casing stones are all blown off."

• 2:20:54Joe Rogan?

  They drill holes in it on the regular to check things. It's not...

• 2:20:57Speaker 02

  I don't under, so, between Gobekli Tepe not being fully excavated, Gidang Padang, as well as the Great Pyramid, arguably the three oldest and most mysterious ancient sites on Earth, for some reason are not being appropriately excavated.

• 2:21:10Joe Rogan?

  Isn't there a chamber underneath the Sphinx as well? They arguably, yeah, there's, there's something there, but they're not...

• 2:21:16Speaker 01

  It's it's um.

• 2:21:17Joe Rogan?

  Smaller.

• 2:21:17Speaker 01

  It's smaller and and uh Zahi Hawass stuck his nose down in the tiny little chamber that's down there. They say that there's supposed to be something more there, but uh like that's uh dicey as far as what they know for sure.

• 2:21:28Speaker 02

  They have never released any photos or video or of any kind underneath the Sphinx. So it's like, okay, just stick a camera in there with a flashlight and show us that there's nothing in there. Like there.

• 2:21:37Joe Rogan?

  Or just show us what is in there. It's show us the walls.

• 2:21:39Speaker 02

  They say they say there's nothing in there. I'm like, okay, well, show me show me what nothing looks like.

• 2:21:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:44Speaker 02

  So like I'm I'm just, look, I'm an outsider in this and I I have an inquisitive mindset.

• 2:21:49Joe Rogan?

  You're not. You're a human being on planet Earth and you're a part of history.

• 2:21:53Speaker 02

  And you know what? Every single person alive has an inherent right to know the true history of our origins. And I don't care what country you're born in, because people have come after me like you, it is none of your business what's happening at Gobekli Tepe. You're not a Turkish citizen. And I say, uh, excuse me, it is a, they elected for it to become a world heritage site. So they have thrown that out the window. It is everyone's.

• 2:22:14Joe Rogan?

  It's everyone's business.

• 2:22:15Speaker 02

  It surely is.

• 2:22:16Speaker 01

  That's silly.

• 2:22:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a silly argument. It's a silly argument. It doesn't make any sense. It's the history of.

• 2:22:20Speaker 01

  You don't have any place to weigh in on Nazi Germany because you don't live in Germany. Fuck off.

• 2:22:23Joe Rogan?

  It's the people of Earth. It's like we we have a very fractured understanding of the history of the people on Earth. Gobekli Tepe is an excellent piece of evidence that points to that. We don't really understand why they did it or who did it. And there's probably more of those things out there that we missed. The Sahara Desert is the greatest example. All right, if they did some sort of very comprehensive examination of the Sahara Desert, like say, if technology advances to the point where they could do like some really comprehensive, like underground scanning of that entire part of the continent, who fucking knows, man?

• 2:22:58Speaker 02

  Only 5% of the Sahara has been um studied as far as like like with say with the use of lidar technology.

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:23:05Speaker 02

  They're using it from space and they keep finding new structures that are prehistoric. They don't know who made them or when and throughout the Sahara.

• 2:23:11Joe Rogan?

  They use it from space?

• 2:23:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:12Joe Rogan?

  They use lidar from space?

• 2:23:13Speaker 02

  It's called archaeology from space and they use satellites. So this is what's interesting is that they can use satellites with lidar that can penetrate like, I might be butchering this, but I want to say 10 meters. I could be off on that, but it's it's a substantial amount of depth. From a satellite penetrating through dirt. I'm like, who would have thought that could even exist? Right.

• 2:23:32Speaker 01

  It's pretty amazing.

• 2:23:33Speaker 02

  It is.

• 2:23:34Joe Rogan?

  We have good evidence that they didn't have that.

• 2:23:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:23:38Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I guess their orbit would decay.

• 2:23:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it'd fly back into.

• 2:23:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because ours do.

• 2:23:43Speaker 01

  You know, a couple of things about Gunung Padang worth mentioning. When they were excavating like mad, the president was of the opinion, the same opinion that Dr. Danny Nadie Wajawa is that like Nadie Wajawa wrote a book even like Plato was right and it's like Atlantis is in Indonesia. So the president of Java back then believed that that was the case and he had, so he was throwing money at it. When he lost his bid to be reelected and somebody else took over, he was the one that shut everything down. He's in more lockstep with the archaeologists and stuff, the mainstream guys. So that's one of the reasons it was a changing of the guard is why all of it just stopped. So one guy was into it and the next guy ain't.

• 2:24:25Speaker 02

  Well, let me, okay, here we go. You just opened up the window. Yep, there it is. Here we go, Jimmy.

• 2:24:30Speaker 01

  Run with it.

• 2:24:32Speaker 02

  So the WF conspiracy, it is nothing more than a conspiracy theory. I am not at all convinced that there's something here with them trying to suppress ancient history. Let me be clear, but there is a correlation between what's going on in Gobekli Tepe and Gunung Padang that the minister, so this is a government position, the minister of technology, education, research and technology, something along those lines in Indonesia. This gentleman came into power, I believe in 2018, his name's Nikim or something Nikaram. I have a slide of him in my Gunung Padang thing. He's a global shaper within the World Economic Forum and he is the head decision maker of excavations that would or would not happen, this gentleman at Gunung Padang. Now, let me be clear, I'm not saying he's suppressing it.

• 2:25:17Speaker 02

  All I, and I'm not saying that the WF is trying to suppress our ancient history. All I'm sharing here is that it just so happens that the gentleman that's in charge of decision making, let me be clear, I said it earlier, they went from saying that there will be unlimited resources and funding to excavate Gunung Padang, it stopped and as of right now, there's no plan in place. to do it and I'm just sharing that the person who would make that decision or has the power to do so happens to be a global shaper and Klaus Schwab the former president head of the of the World Economic Forum I have a video of him gloating about how they've infiltrated government cabinets the media all over the world and are enacting their initiatives.

• 2:25:55Speaker 01

  Young global leaders.

• 2:25:56Speaker 02

  Yes, they've infiltrated the cabinets. It's very good. You're gonna need to see bugs.

• 2:26:00Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the photo of him in the bathroom?

• 2:26:02Speaker 02

  No, I would love to.

• 2:26:03Joe Rogan?

  You didn't see?

• 2:26:03Speaker 02

  No, please show us.

• 2:26:04Joe Rogan?

  We have the photo of him in our bathroom here with the fucking crazy Darth Vader outfit on.

• 2:26:08Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah. That was that was bizarre.

• 2:26:11Joe Rogan?

  Wackiest fucking outfit ever if you're, you know, it's so on the nose.

• 2:26:15Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:26:16Joe Rogan?

  If you're a evil supervillain.

• 2:26:17Speaker 02

  He looks like a Bond villain, a Bond, James Bond villain.

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, more than more crazy than that, like more crazy than a Bond. See if you can find that photo. More crazy than a Bond villain, like a Star Wars villain.

• 2:26:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:28Joe Rogan?

  Like some.

• 2:26:28Speaker 02

  He's a Sith Lord or something.

• 2:26:30Joe Rogan?

  You have to be a crazy person to put that fucking thing on and go out in public unless it's a Halloween costume.

• 2:26:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:34Joe Rogan?

  Like it's a bizarre outfit for you to wear and if everyone's worried about these secret societies and people that are in control and pulling the strings of the world. What are they worried about? They're worried about fucking crackpots that dress like this. That's what they're worried about. Eyes Wide Shut parties, like that kind of shit. You got that photo? It's fucking crazy.

• 2:26:55Speaker 02

  Any word?

• 2:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, sorry. That photo right there. That's the one we have in the bathroom.

• 2:26:58Speaker 01

  Christ, yeah.

• 2:26:59Joe Rogan?

  In front of the podium at the World Economic Forum.

• 2:27:01Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:27:02Joe Rogan?

  What is that fucking photo? What is that outfit you're wearing, sir?

• 2:27:04Speaker 01

  That looks like something from some like 1970s dystopian film.

• 2:27:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%. Like Metropolis or something.

• 2:27:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:27:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:13Speaker 01

  Death Race 2000, the original one.

• 2:27:15Joe Rogan?

  Like what the fuck is that? That's so, that outfit's so crazy. Imagine someone.

• 2:27:20Speaker 03

  I think it was having to do with the event they were at, though.

• 2:27:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they all wore it.

• 2:27:23Speaker 02

  He got an honorary doctorate. This was at a university somewhere in Europe.

• 2:27:26Joe Rogan?

  Fucking crazy that that's what you wear there anyway. Like what are you doing? You're dressing like a Druid.

• 2:27:31Speaker 01

  Well, they even got a magic card of him. Look at that.

• 2:27:33Joe Rogan?

  It's so weird, bro.

• 2:27:34Speaker 02

  So again, we're going back.

• 2:27:35Joe Rogan?

  Look at that other outfit. Look at that fucking outfit.

• 2:27:37Speaker 02

  That's.

• 2:27:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, AI generated. Okay.

• 2:27:39Speaker 02

  Okay. So when I look at Gobekli Tepe involving my little WF conspiracy idea, it is. A bit bizarre that that partnership with the Doges group was literally announced at the annual World Economic Forum meeting in Davos. And I also should share this, that I may have been banned from Turkey. So, uh, this is hilarious. So after my video came out, um, what's his name? Karul? What's his name? Dr. Karul? So the head of archaeology in Turkey, um, took great issue with my conspiracy theories on it and has, he was quoted in an article saying that I should be sanctioned. And then he followed up with like, I will be sanctioned. And I'm like, well, how are you going to keep me out of Gobekli Tepe? Have I been banned from Turkey?

• 2:28:24Speaker 02

  Because American citizens don't need a visa to go into Turkey unless they're going to be there more than 90 days. So there's, if I could, I could apply ahead of time. Like in Egypt, you can apply for your tourism visa ahead of time and I'd know if I was rejected. He, that's what he said is that I'll be sanctioned. He was referring to me and I'm like, okay.

• 2:28:42Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean?

• 2:28:43Speaker 02

  Well, it means travel bans.

• 2:28:45Speaker 01

  It means you're not going to let him in the country.

• 2:28:46Speaker 02

  It means I go to the airport to get rejected at customs potentially.

• 2:28:49Joe Rogan?

  And that is possibly what would happen.

• 2:28:51Speaker 02

  He said it will happen. I don't know that it's happened.

• 2:28:54Joe Rogan?

  You're going to try?

• 2:28:55Speaker 02

  Well, that, flights to Turkey are actually a little bit pricey and I'm like, well, damn it. I'm like, if I'm going to land there and get turned around, that would suck.

• 2:29:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, you might be able to make a nice video about it.

• 2:29:03Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 2:29:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh yeah, that would be, actually, yeah. Right? That's a video.

• 2:29:06Joe Rogan?

  Sure. I mean, I mean, kind of like helps you.

• 2:29:09Speaker 02

  You're right. I'm over the target with Gobekli Tepe.

• 2:29:12Joe Rogan?

  Or at least you're making them uncomfortable, right? You're forcing them to consider why they have chosen this. If it's just for economic reasons, which does make sense. If so many people are already going there, why should we spend more money? I get that.

• 2:29:26Speaker 02

  Well, and it makes sense and it's the most likely explanation. It's probably true. But that means that then this is an issue of either mismanagement or incompetence because they, there's, it is inexcusable that, because as of right now, their plan is that it will not be fully excavated. It will not be fully excavated in any of our lifetimes. And there could potentially be answers involving our ancient past at Gobekli Tepe. And it is entirely inexcusable that we wouldn't dig it up. And I don't actually think it will. Take away from tourism by removing the mystery.

• 2:29:58Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:29:58Speaker 02

  People are, half a million people a year are visiting it just because. And if they've digged up more of it, in my opinion, that's more reason to go there.

• 2:30:06Speaker 01

  Right. Well, what did you just show, Jamie?

• 2:30:08Speaker 03

  I went to the article about the funding at, uh, Gdungadang.

• 2:30:11Speaker 01

  Gdungadang?

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:30:13Speaker 03

  It does say that thing about unlimited funding, but things, it might have been also misinterpreted by translation. Cause it's coming from the Jakarta Post. It talks about how the soldiers were using hoes to excavate. They didn't like that. It mentions the first disbursement of 250 grand was put out.

• 2:30:33Speaker 02

  Is this from 2014, this article?

• 2:30:34Speaker 03

  It's the same article, cause it shows the thing that says unlimited amount of research funding. But it says it was taken from other funding. And then it says that there's a lack of funding right below it.

• 2:30:45Speaker 01

  Archaeologists at other sites bemoan a lack of funding.

• 2:30:48Speaker 02

  Let me just say this, my ass. All they gotta do is drill a hole and stick a camera through it into the tube to figure out if it's a lava tube or something man-made. This is not expensive. It could get done for thousands of dollars, not millions of dollars. And if it is a 27,000 year old pyramidal structure, as Graham Hancock has proposed, the data, look, the data is not proven. It's hotly debated. But let me just make this crystal clear. We don't know what it is. It could potentially be the oldest ancient ruin in, on earth. And we're never going to know the answer until we go looking.

• 2:31:22Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 2:31:22Speaker 02

  And it is entirely unacceptable that we're not doing it.

• 2:31:24Speaker 01

  Well, there's-

• 2:31:25Speaker 02

  What is happening?

• 2:31:25Speaker 01

  There's, there's a thing to get like, less conspiratorial, but support it from a very real position. There's a thing with science with their paradigms. They've looked at it from a very long time with, uh, the origins of earth sciences and history. It was, they were expected to bear out the Bible, prove the Bible right. Then evolution and then Darwin and then, then it was gradualism. Prove the Bible wrong. There is no major global flood. And gradualism, they assume that everything happens slowly. That it's all, there's nothing catastrophic in the record. And that lasted from the late 1700s, all the, or 1800s, excuse me, all the fucking way up until 1980. When the KT dinosaur killing meteor was accepted.

• 2:32:07Speaker 01

  Before that, there was no such thing as punctuated equilibrium, which is what they call it now. Where- Which any kid could figure out is the way the fucking world works. The slow erosion happens on the side of the bank, but sometimes there's a big flood that carves a big chunk of the I mean, this is no brainer shit. And the life moves at a steady pace normally, and then every now and again, something catastrophic happens. So my point is, is that if they think that digging something up is going to change a paradigm that they're expected to maintain, they're not gonna fucking dig it up. This, um, the kind of, of opposition that they face to overturning paradigms, like the Clovis first thing. Like, uh, when Flint was on here and he tried to play that one down. Not only were careers ruined from that, but one thing you'll almost never hear mentioned was Clovis first was

• 2:32:51Speaker 01

  version two of this. Before that, it was the Folsom point and Folsom first. And many careers were ruined by people that posited that the Americans were people before the Folsom culture. Then they found the Clovis. This is, this isn't some, that it's not some novel time of, well, you know, there was a scientific debate and a few No, no, no. This is standard operating procedure, the way it's always fucking been done. So it's not a surprising thing that they're gonna try to hide stuff. It's not a surprising thing.

• 2:33:17Joe Rogan?

  It's just human ego and, and control. It's, humans always want to be the experts and they always want to be the one in control of the information. If the information that's new that's coming out counters their control and their expertise, they, they reject it. It's just ego. It's just ego.

• 2:33:33Speaker 01

  It's just kinda messed up because, I mean, I know scientists are people, but

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  It should all be what we know now. This is what we know now. And when new information comes along, okay, now we're thinking about it in a different way. But the problem is they've published books. And these books, they've definitively given dates. We now know, we, we are sure that this. What are your thoughts on the dating of the pyramids? And how do they date the pyramids? They date the pyramids based on whatever carbon that they could find in between the stones. Obviously you can't carbon date stones themselves. So you have to use some sort of organic material that's around that.

• 2:34:10Speaker 02

  The best dating is that the Great Pyramid is somewhere around forty-five hundred years ago. That was from organic material taken between casing stones. You could argue that the casing stones were restored because they, even the Romans restored parts of the Sphinx.

• 2:34:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:26Speaker 02

  I don't know how old the Great Pyramid is, but if it was constructed 4,500 years ago, then our understanding of what was happening on the Giza Plateau at that time is vastly different than the people that were, if you look at any academic textbook, they show people wearing loincloths and barefoot constructing the pyramid. And nah, that's nah.

• 2:34:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, even hieroglyphs that depict moving statues. It's a bunch of guys in sandals pulling a sled.

• 2:34:52Speaker 02

  So that depiction, which should be in my Ramesseum folder, Jamie, that one statue was only 58 metric tons.

• 2:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Only?

• 2:35:02Speaker 01

  Compared to the other big boys.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  It's all crazy.

• 2:35:06Speaker 02

  This is what they say. They say, "Well, they pulled it on a sledge," which is like a wooden sled. And I'm like, "The Ramesseum statue is 15 times heavier than that other one." Yeah, this is what they always show. They always show these naked dudes, uh, yeah, look at them, bare ass.

• 2:35:21Joe Rogan?

  Heave ho.

• 2:35:22Speaker 02

  So, just to be clear, I know, because they want to show them that they're dumb and primitive and that.

• 2:35:27Joe Rogan?

  Meanwhile, the dude with the whip, he's got some clothes on. Look at that. That guy's got clothes on. But that's kind of been debunked, right? Because one of the things that they found is that when they studied the remains that were in the enclosures, where the people that worked on the pyramid lived, they're not slaves.

• 2:35:42Speaker 01

  No, they were fed well.

• 2:35:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were fed well, and it seems like they were highly skilled.

• 2:35:47Speaker 01

  They had, it had to have been. I mean, I've tried to suss, to me, what's the most impressive thing about it is the accuracy of the pyramid to itself. It's like a perfect square with like 2 inches of deviation at 756 feet per side. That's like tiny fraction of a percentage off. You're like machine age standards on a fucking gigantic fucking scale.

• 2:36:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:36:07Speaker 01

  The only thing I could come up with was, and I have to test it, but like if you had a concave mirror, it creates a little circle of light like a magnifying glass does that will start a fire. At a certain distance, it's going to be the same size no matter what. So you could calibrate that and if you had to have everything exactly set up, but if you shot at a target and filled up a perfect circle, you could know it was exact range. That kind of thing would work because you can't measure this with ropes. You can't measure the, I mean, ropes sag and they're affected by humidity and stuff. And again, it's 2 inches at 756 feet. That's not. That's not, you're not, that's

• 2:36:42Joe Rogan?

  Is this taking into account the casings that were removed?

• 2:36:45Speaker 01

  Oh, no, it's not. This is the, just the base perimeter of the pyramid.

• 2:36:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:36:49Speaker 01

  Um, that's the, there's an outline around the pyramid where it was kind of scratched into the ground, um, for where they would, they think that they used water and stuff to, to do leveling. Um, and they generally measure around that to, to my understanding.

• 2:37:03Joe Rogan?

  In any deviation, even in millimeters with each rock, as you get up to 2,300,000 stones to build the peak of the pyramid, any deviation on either side would fuck the whole thing up.

• 2:37:13Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 2:37:14Speaker 02

  It is virtually perfect. Not per, quite perfect, but it's, it is virtually perfect.

• 2:37:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's made by humans, allegedly, or Anunnaki.

• 2:37:22Speaker 01

  Anunnaki.

• 2:37:23Joe Rogan?

  Do you, you know, the Anunnaki one is the most fun because I love those stories. I love Sitchin's stuff. It's just because it's the, the funnest possibility is that human beings were genetically engineered by a superior race that came here to mine gold.

• 2:37:38Speaker 01

  It's, it's, I was telling Jim actually last night that, uh, archaeologists frequently refer to the Clovis hypothesis as elegant, and I often tell them that, uh, this is actually, Chris, Hitchens stuff is even more elegant. It explains why we want gold and silver. I mean, come on. That's all around the entire world.

• 2:37:53Joe Rogan?

  The gold one's the weird one because you can't make any tools out of it. You can't make weapons out of it, and yet it was the most prized metal.

• 2:37:59Speaker 01

  And it works really good for, when you get to a higher level of tech all of a sudden. It's pretty useful, isn't it?

• 2:38:04Joe Rogan?

  It's very useful. And then there's also the idea of suspending particles in the atmosphere.

• 2:38:08Speaker 01

  Like Chris talks about, yeah.

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  Right. Which is what Bill Gates wants to do today, that fucking kook. Hey, hey, fuckface, there's a lot of people living here. You don't get to choose what, what the, when the shades get put on the earth because you have this goofy climate change narrative. I don't believe you.

• 2:38:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:38:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't like that you're even talking about doing this. How about a global vote as whether or not this one asshole created Windows 95 gets to do this?

• 2:38:31Speaker 02

  He didn't create anything. He bought the patent off that IBM guy. I love putting that on blast because it's like, I think he has, I think he suffers from an inferiority complex. I think that he's jealous of Elon Musk and others. I think he, his time in the lim-

• 2:38:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, he famously has shorted Tesla.

• 2:38:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he makes him look like a massive douche. Um, I think that he is, look, he was once the king, the richest man on earth and now he's not, and I think that that's all he wants.

• 2:38:56Joe Rogan?

  Again, power, human power and ego, and especially people that have enormous resources and control over things, they don't want to relinquish that grip.

• 2:39:04Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:39:05Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 2:39:05Speaker 02

  It's like, bro, he should be living in an all-inclusive, riding jet skis, you made it, brother, you're, you're with hundreds-

• 2:39:09Joe Rogan?

  Right, you should be living like Jeff Bezos.

• 2:39:10Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 2:39:11Joe Rogan?

  Balling out of the yacht with his hot girlfriend, let's go.

• 2:39:14Speaker 01

  At least be happy.

• 2:39:15Joe Rogan?

  That's what I want out of my billionaires, I want Jeff Bezos. When people criticize him, I'm like, what are you talking about? He's living the dream. All of a sudden, he's jacked, he has a super hot girlfriend, he's got a giant yacht, fuck yeah.

• 2:39:25Speaker 01

  Flying into space with fucking Captain Kurt.

• 2:39:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, with a big old dick rocket, let's go.

• 2:39:29Speaker 02

  I can't figure out why he runs the Washington Post, because he owns the Washington Post.

• 2:39:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's changed the shit out of it.

• 2:39:34Speaker 02

  Has he?

• 2:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a big, big, uh, to-do about it, because he released this article that we have to, or released a story, rather, he, he wrote a piece, essentially saying that you have to take divergent viewpoints, you have to take a bunch of different perspectives. We can't just be this left-wing echo chamber, and it's the reason why the business is faltering. I mean, all of these, I was just reading something about CNN's ratings and MSNBC's ratings post-election, they've crashed. All these left-wing kooks on YouTube are hemorrhaging subscribers, where people go, you guys are out of touch, you're not accurate, you're delusional, and people are speaking with their subscriptions, and they're speaking with their purchasing of the Washington Post,

• 2:40:20Joe Rogan?

  and they're purchasing the New York Times. The New York Times just debunked, in the most insane way, debunked RFK Jr.'s assertion that the ingredients in Fruit Loops are different in Canada than they are in the United States. They fact-checked it while saying he was accurate. So their fact-check, it's so dumb when you see the fa- I tweeted it. The fact checked is so dumb because the fact check says it's not correct. They have the same ingredients, except for these harmful chemicals. Look at this. Mr. Kennedy has singled out Fruit Loops as an example of a product with too many artificial ingredients, questioning why the Canadian version has fewer than the US

• 2:41:04Joe Rogan?

  version. But he was wrong. The ingredient list is roughly the same, although Canada's has natural colorings made from blueberries and carrots, while the US product contains red dye forty, yellow five, and blue one, as well as butylated hydroxytulene, or BHT, a lab-made chemical that is used for freshness, according to the ingredient label, that is the fucking dangerous chemicals that are banned in Canada, that we're trying to get rid of in America, and that RFK. So they're literally saying he was wrong, but he was right.

• 2:41:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that made my brain hurt just reading that.

• 2:41:42Joe Rogan?

  That's the New York fucking Times!

• 2:41:45Speaker 01

  Well, Pootie Pie hadn't dressed like a Nazi for a while, so he didn't have anything to talk about, right?

• 2:41:49Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what that's about. But this is what the New York Times is doing. So, of course, you're gonna hemorrhage subscribers. Of course. You're crazy. You're saying something that's nuts. And also, what is your motivation? Like, what's your motivation for removing potentially harmful and toxic chemicals? If someone is trying to do that for the greater health of the population, if we're saying that these things have been eliminated in other countries because they've been proven to be dangerous, what is your motivation for saying he was wrong?

• 2:42:26Speaker 01

  Money.

• 2:42:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, what else could it be? Mont Santo, brother. Ideology, ideology, you know, left-wing rejection of RFK Jr., because now he's connected to Trump, which is connected to Nazis. It's like you go down this fucking weird rabbit hole with these people, and you're like, what are you trying to do? Are you trying to remove all leftover credibility? Are you trying to eliminate because you lost so much credibility? Are you trying to kill it all? Are you secretly working for the- Chinese like what are you doing?

• 2:42:56Speaker 02

  They're all in.

• 2:42:57Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing?

• 2:42:58Speaker 02

  It's probably backed by Monsanto or something because if you look at like these serials.

• 2:43:01Joe Rogan?

  That is a crazy state.

• 2:43:03Speaker 01

  Well, it's to think that the media was once called the fourth estate in this country is mind boggling. Honestly, to think that we used to consider them the fourth estate of government that it was like this. Our our father's generation, that's what they considered Ted Koppel, man, that's fucking.

• 2:43:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, what I'm hoping is that what Jeff Bezos has said about the Washington Post, and I know what CNN is considering doing. And they've made some sort of a trend towards a more objective form of journalism. But they're still compromised by their the sponsors, they're still compromised by the advertisers. They're so compromised that I don't know if they can ever get to where they really need to be to compete with actual objective, real journalists that are independent. Because I don't I don't think they can. So it's it's kind of crazy. It's like they're digging their own grave.

• 2:43:49Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:43:50Joe Rogan?

  Every day and then they're lashing out at all the other people that aren't digging their own grave. It's like you guys are so crazy.

• 2:43:57Speaker 02

  They're doing it to themselves and now it's like, what is it, citizen journalists? How did Elon Musk put it? It's like you are now the journalist or how I'm misquoting him, but.

• 2:44:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, X is mainstream media now. That is the mainstream media. That's where most people are getting their news now.

• 2:44:10Speaker 02

  The views speak for itself, you know, like.

• 2:44:13Joe Rogan?

  It's not just the views, it's the community notes, the fact that you can actually fact check these things. And then you have all these brilliant people that are participating in this live debate in real time online about what's real and what's not.

• 2:44:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:26Joe Rogan?

  And you're finding all specifically with the like the the when they found the Twitter files.

• 2:44:31Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 2:44:32Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ, the FBI is involved in this? Like, what what the fuck is going on?

• 2:44:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:37Joe Rogan?

  It's this is so crazy. The FBI is involved in deciding what's real and what's not on Twitter?

• 2:44:43Speaker 02

  Unreal.

• 2:44:43Joe Rogan?

  And you're you're you're banning journalists, you're you're banning scientists? Like, this is really crazy.

• 2:44:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's bad for society, but you know, it's caused irreparable harm with misinformation.

• 2:44:55Joe Rogan?

  But it's not. So it's bad initially, but then ultimately it's good. Because ultimately, we learn who you can and can't trust. And you say, well, who's just honest and accurate? Because there's a lot of money in being honest and accurate.

• 2:45:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:09Joe Rogan?

  You know, this is what's crazy. Like, all these independent journalists are doing really well. Well, because they don't have a fucking giant building in Atlanta that's filled with a thousand workers. Right, right? So they don't have the overhead for terrible ratings. Terrible ratings and a massive overhead. Like, you're kind of fucked.

• 2:45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:25Joe Rogan?

  So it's great for us that it leads to the rise of these guys like Matt Taibbi that used to be a part of the system and now are independent. Glenn Greenwald, all these type of people. Michael Schellenberger, people that you can actually trust. They're gonna tell you the truth. Because there's actually money in telling the truth.

• 2:45:40Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:45:41Joe Rogan?

  It's a great business model.

• 2:45:42Speaker 02

  It's course corrected and you're proof of it. And all these other people, you know, whether it's Tucker Carlson and many, many others.

• 2:45:48Joe Rogan?

  Proof of it.

• 2:45:49Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:45:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. There is a course correction. And the problem is, they've dug their heels in so much and they'll write articles, like that New York Times article. That is so crazy.

• 2:46:00Speaker 03

  They updated it.

• 2:46:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, congratulations.

• 2:46:02Speaker 03

  They changed the wording a little bit. Here's what it looked like.

• 2:46:06Joe Rogan?

  Ah, they changed it and they got busted. Because it got like 10 million views on X in a day.

• 2:46:13Speaker 01

  It got blasted.

• 2:46:14Joe Rogan?

  It got blasted everywhere.

• 2:46:16Speaker 01

  Well, that's, that kind of double thing's insane.

• 2:46:18Joe Rogan?

  So this is what they said here. Why do we have fruit loops in this country that have 18 or 19 ingredients? You go to Canada, it's two or three, Mr. Kennedy asked. He was wrong in the ingredient count. They are roughly the same.

• 2:46:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what they changed.

• 2:46:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, but they're still, they're still missing the whole fucking point. So the ingredient count is roughly the same. So there's still 19 ingredients in the Canadian version, but it's all just like sugar and wheat and like carrot dye and blueberry dye and whatever the fuck else they have.

• 2:46:47Speaker 01

  They found a factual error that they could pull out instead of addressing the meat of what he was saying.

• 2:46:51Joe Rogan?

  The meat of what he's saying is that all these things, these dyes are all illegal in Canada and also illegal in other countries.

• 2:46:59Speaker 02

  It's poison. Cereal is one of the worst things you can consume.

• 2:47:02Joe Rogan?

  But it's so delicious.

• 2:47:05Joe Rogan?

  But I wonder if it's just as delicious in Canada, which is crazy. Like, I don't need it to be flavored or colored by fucking dye when you can get it from beets or whatever.

• 2:47:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, the dye, the dye thing's crazy. The red dye forty is actually kind of a big problem. There's a lot of kids that have, uh, like, uh, ADD kind of, uh, symptoms from red dye forty.

• 2:47:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, if you're left alone to your own devices and you're a child like I was, you would just fucking pour a bowl out of a bowl of that cereal until you're like ready to explode. You know, I would eat fucking Captain Crunch until I had a fucking heart attack.

• 2:47:38Speaker 02

  Lucky Charms, Lucky Charms eating just the marshmallows.

• 2:47:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Like, where's the, this is bullshit. Where's the marshmallows?

• 2:47:45Speaker 01

  It's Saturday morning cartoons. Oh, yeah.

• 2:47:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. Yeah, you're getting cracked out to Bullwinkle.

• 2:47:49Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:47:50Joe Rogan?

  And you're just eating bowls of sugar.

• 2:47:52Speaker 02

  That's sugar high.

• 2:47:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, we didn't even know that sugar was bad for you because, again, another fucking conspiracy that turned out to be true. The scientists got bribed by the sugar industry to push all the blame on saturated fat. That's why everybody started using margarine and all this stupid shit. It's like-

• 2:48:08Speaker 01

  Oh, eat some plastic.

• 2:48:09Speaker 02

  I love those.

• 2:48:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so crazy. You know, if you leave margarine out, rats don't even eat it.

• 2:48:13Speaker 02

  I was about to say that. You'll, you'll see ants that will be eating natural butter, but they won't touch margarine.

• 2:48:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they don't, they eat each other. They don't fuck with margarine. Like, what is that?

• 2:48:21Speaker 02

  Something to be said for that.

• 2:48:21Joe Rogan?

  It's glue.

• 2:48:22Speaker 02

  It's, it's chemical.

• 2:48:23Joe Rogan?

  It's industrial oil. It's like really weird. It used to be used for engine lubricant. Like, whoa, this was great on toast.

• 2:48:32Joe Rogan?

  They just, we're so stupid. We're so fucking stupid.

• 2:48:36Speaker 01

  It's wild when you think about it. The things that we will do, uh, like the Milligram experiment I mentioned before, the, uh, the experiment they did back after the, everybody was wondering here in the States why the Nazis were able to convince rank and file normal people to do fucked up stuff. So they got guys in a lab coat and they had an actor pretend he was getting shocked as a test subject, but the real test subject was the guy they had quote unquote shocking that guy. And the guy in the lab coat, he'd keep telling him to do it more and, and they found about thirty percent of the people, if they were told, would shock them all the way up to killing the guy.

• 2:49:05Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:49:06Speaker 01

  Um, and that, that kind of, uh, appeal to authority, that kind of, uh, that kind of worshiping of authority has really- They're gutting it right now and they're paying the price.

• 2:49:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's just dangerous because authority has a massive responsibility to be accurate. And with that comes humility and the understanding that we don't know everything. It's not possible, which is why we're constantly studying things. And this, this need to be accurate and need to be correct and they need to be the only one who has access to this information to educate people is preposterous. It's really crazy, especially when it comes to something like ancient history. Which is why your channel's so popular and your channel and Graham Hancock's shows are so popular and why these people that want to hold on to that throne are so adamant about labeling them with every possible horrible pejorative.

• 2:49:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, yeah, that's a really easy way to, to get them out. Like I said, they're losing authority right now, like we're talking about. We're talking about mainstream media or legacy media, I guess you could call it, falling apart and stuff. Um, what I mentioned about PewDiePie earlier, if you remember about 10 years ago, the Adpocalypse? That was, I think it was actually a Wall Street Journal article, but it was a legacy media that wrote about PewDiePie and they fucking like threw him under the bus. They like misconstrued him and everything else and the effects were very real. It slapped YouTube content creators across the board. If you look up Adpocalypse, you'll, you can read all about it.

• 2:50:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, they had, they've actually dropped some of the bans on X now, which is great.

• 2:50:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:50:33Joe Rogan?

  Which is, I think, a sign of the culture shifting also after the election.

• 2:50:38Speaker 01

  There's a lot of-

• 2:50:38Joe Rogan?

  They're realizing that there's, there's actually a lot of money in advertising there. Like, what are you, fuck retarded?

• 2:50:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:50:44Joe Rogan?

  Everybody's there. It's the number one platform on earth for people discussing things.

• 2:50:48Speaker 01

  It's the future.

• 2:50:49Joe Rogan?

  Why wouldn't you advertise there? Because you're trying to, you're trying to bleed that guy out. But you fuck with the wrong dude. He's crazy and he's got more money than anybody and he's like, I don't care, I'm buying it. He bought it for twice what it's worth and they're like, Twitter has lost $20 billion in value, he's a terrible businessman. No, he overpaid. He overpaid substantially to try to save free, free speech.

• 2:51:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it just was not, this was what you would call an activist investment.

• 2:51:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's just a rare cat who's willing to do something like that. There's not a lot of people that are willing to like lose billions on some, but when you got 200 billion- You're like, let's fucking shift this apple cart.

• 2:51:26Speaker 02

  I'm so glad he's on the right side of history. That guy's a hero. He's a living hero and X is the future. That is gonna be the biggest platform on earth. That's his goal, right?

• 2:51:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it certainly already is and probably will grow. And, you know, they keep saying people are going to Blue Sky. Do you know if you go to Blue Sky and you type, there's only two genders, you're banned instantly?

• 2:51:43Speaker 02

  Yes, I saw this recently.

• 2:51:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Blue Sky is just the newest echo chamber of the old Twitter. There's all kinds of people on-

• 2:51:48Joe Rogan?

  All these Stephen King dorks, they're gonna go over there and let their brains rot out in an echo chamber.

• 2:51:53Speaker 01

  I've been picking on all of my friends in the real world that were laughing at, I forget the name of the site that, Rumble. When everybody was like, oh, the right wingers are going to Rumble, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Now it's like, all you guys are running the Blue Sky, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Isn't it fucking funny how that works?

• 2:52:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, shout out to Rumble. Rumble's been so good to me. Let me give Chris Pavlovsky a shout out, the CEO of Rumble. I had the pleasure of meeting him and they've been treating me real good.

• 2:52:19Joe Rogan?

  Rumble's great.

• 2:52:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're fantastic.

• 2:52:21Joe Rogan?

  Full on free speech, whether you're on the left or the right, whatever it is.

• 2:52:25Speaker 02

  Anything I want, anything I want, as long as it's not violence or something like that. Yeah, so I recommend people-

• 2:52:31Joe Rogan?

  Everything that's legal, which is what it's supposed to be. And that's what the First Amendment is supposed to apply to. And this is one of the great things about this administration that's coming in, is that Donald Trump wants to apply the First Amendment to all these sites. He wants to stop all this big tech banning, which is, by the way, was terrible for him in 2020. I mean, it really, it's election interference. It truly is, because you're eliminating one complete side of the argument. It's supposed to be, one side thinks this, the other side thinks that, they get together and discuss it. And you, as the person outside of it, gets to see who makes the more compelling argument. And the wonderful thing about community notes is you get to see whether or not someone's bullshitting.

• 2:53:14Joe Rogan?

  So let's find out what's right and what's wrong, what's true, what's not. That's what it's supposed to be. But the problem with that is, then you don't really have control of the election. And that's what they found out in 2024. They don't have control of it anymore. And you can get Beyonce and pay her $10 million, it doesn't fucking work. It doesn't work anymore. No one cares. No one believes them, they don't trust them, they make terrible life choices. And you're like, well, clearly, you're not a person I'm gonna listen to when it comes to, who's gonna run the fucking world, Taylor Swift?

• 2:53:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:53:42Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fuck up, this is crazy, Eminem. What are you talking about? How much have you locked? I mean, I want to sit Eminem down with like a political scholar. And like, tell me what you know about the invasion of Ukraine. What do you know about the coup in 2014? What do you know about NATO?

• 2:53:56Speaker 02

  Mom spaghetti.

• 2:53:56Joe Rogan?

  Moving weapons closer and closer. What do you know about the violation of the treaty that we had? What the fuck are you doing, man? You shouldn't be doing this. You, this is not the thing for you to be doing here.

• 2:54:06Speaker 02

  These people have no idea what they're talking about. They're all puppets. They're all, they're, they're people that don't do any research on their own and they're just told what to think. Or they're compromised.

• 2:54:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think they were getting paid. And I think that's what's even weirder. Is that you're allowed to pay people to endorse you for president? Which is crazy.

• 2:54:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, Oprah, two and a half million. Not a million, they thought, now it's two and a half million.

• 2:54:26Joe Rogan?

  I sent that to Jamie, but that seems to be like, production costs would seem at least slightly elevated for an event. But the weird one was like the Beyonce one. If, if it's true, and you know, there's a lot of sites reporting it as it is true. But we, we tried to look, Jamie, look, this, it's hard to find what's true and what's not true. Because there's a lot of money that was paid to staff, but it's like, unclear what that means. And then there's, it's, it's unclear where they burned all the money. And then there's also the money that went to these activist groups. And we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars. They paid to people to support the, this administration. Which is kind of supposed to be the other way around. Aren't these groups supposed to be paying money to prop up the campaign?

• 2:55:10Joe Rogan?

  Because the campaign believes in them? No, you're paying these activist groups to support you, which is just crazy. Also, it didn't work.

• 2:55:19Speaker 02

  It didn't work at all.

• 2:55:20Joe Rogan?

  You went, you went through a billion plus dollars in three months. This is so crazy and you're in debt.

• 2:55:27Speaker 02

  I think, and I think a lot of people made some money in the process. That money went somewhere, where is it now?

• 2:55:31Joe Rogan?

  It's part of the problem with climate change. That's part of the problem with everything is that it's profitable to, to spit out a narrative. And that there's a lot of money being moved around. And this is money in politics. And as much as we Get that out, we we need to. And I think one of the most important things about getting that out is this whole thing about pharmaceutical drug companies being able to advertise. Which changed in the nineteen nineties. We have to recognize that before the nineteen nineties pharmaceutical drugs could not advertise on TV and guess what? We were taking way less and we were way healthier. So this is not good folks, this is not good. You know, and other than Ozempic, which is like at least curbing obesity to a certain extent. What are what are these drugs are doing good?

• 2:56:17Joe Rogan?

  Like what if you look at the overall health of people, it's declining. Obesity is rising. Heart attacks are rising, strokes are, oh, this shit is bad. We're not moving in the right direction and yet there's tremendous resistance for change.

• 2:56:33Speaker 01

  But it's funny to me that they would spend so much money on this election when, I mean, it's kind of, it's kind of clear that. When one person's platform is do this, this, this, this, and this, the other person's platform is not him. It fucking, I mean, that's like, you know, that's like riding somebody else's coattails deliberately. You, you, she's, she came in with the platform, I'm just gonna, you know, I'm not Trump, so. Okay, well, that's great, but I mean, once people have pierced through the veil of Trump's gonna make everything illegal and put everybody that's not white into camps and shit. Once they've got past that, what do you have?

• 2:57:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, if you're gonna develop like a real platform, like a real, you're gonna run for president. I would think you would wanna do that over a long period of time and be very careful about, treat it like a defense attorney. Like if you were prosecuting this as a case, you would wanna have all of your facts. That show that you're correct and have all of your arguments and you would wanna have mock arguments. If someone comes to you and says, well, what about this, this and this? That's not the case and this is why that's not the case and you would wanna have all your ducks in a row. To me, it's like a fighter that takes a last minute fight and they've been sitting around drinking beer. And they haven't gone through a ten week camp, like, don't do it, don't do it, you're not ready for this.

• 2:57:49Joe Rogan?

  And if your only strategy is just like a wild punch, which is basically, he's a liar. Like meanwhile, you're lying about him every fucking day, the Russia collusion shit, the very fine people shit, the fucking, all the thing about, you know, um, uh, the thing about, um. Taking Liz Cheney and executing her, it's all lies.

• 2:58:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:58:10Joe Rogan?

  You guys are just lying. And you're saying he's a liar, but yet you're lying all the time. And you're doing it like it's 1995. And there's no social media. But you can't do that anymore, especially when the people that are paying attention to the podcast. Well, guess what? Podcasts are 100 times bigger than anything you guys have. And people are listening to that and they know you're full of shit. And then your numbers decline even further.

• 2:58:34Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:58:35Joe Rogan?

  So I think they were saying that CNN, what are the, what's, how much is CNN down? Cause I was seeing this on Twitter and it's hard to know whether or not they're, you know, it's hyperbole or whether or not it's fact. But they were saying that CNN's ratings are down like 80% of their peak. And MSNBC is some other preposterous number. And they're both on the chopping block. CNN is talking about mass layoffs of talent. Because nobody believes them anymore. So it's counterproductive for you to use the same voices, which is why they, they got rid of Brian Stelter and then they brought him back.

• 2:59:06Speaker 02

  Which was so odd. I'm like, you know, I'm looking forward to-

• 2:59:09Joe Rogan?

  How much talent is missing? They, I mean, they don't have any talent.

• 2:59:13Speaker 02

  They're all going out of business. They're gonna have to rebrand. They're gonna have to get entire new management. Like, I'll never watch those programs ever again, those networks. Literally never. Like, they're dead to me now.

• 2:59:21Joe Rogan?

  It's propaganda. It's, at least a percentage of it is propaganda. That's unacceptable. It's unacceptable if you're the voice of the news in the world. It's unacceptable.

• 2:59:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59:31Joe Rogan?

  For you to have a large percentage of what you're saying to be completely full of shit.

• 2:59:35Speaker 01

  You know, it's funny, you can see the, the same pattern of attack that they throw at Trump being used against Tulsi Gabbard the last time around when she fucking nailed Kamala in the, in the debate. And she was just like, you, you can stand here and say all cops are bad, but you got hundreds of thousands of people in jail and prison.

• 2:59:51Joe Rogan?

  Leftist viewers deal, NBC, CNN, a Trump slump ratings crash, here's why. So what's the numbers? What does it say? Does it say? The Rachel Maddow Show, for example, easily MSNBC's top-rated program, though it only airs once a week, drew just 1.3 million viewers on November 10th. Five days after the election, a drop of 1 million viewers from the month before. Forty percent or so. In the key 25 to 54 demographic, the advertisers most covet, Maddow's numbers mark the smallest audience since her show has seen, her show has seen since April of 2022. And she's the number one show, which is like, you know. If I only got a million people watching her show, I'd be so pissed.

• 3:00:31Joe Rogan?

  Hannity nearly quadrupled her with 420,000 views to her meager 109,000. She got 109,000 people in the 25 to 54.

• 3:00:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:00:41Joe Rogan?

  So it's a bunch of old cat ladies.

• 3:00:43Speaker 02

  And airports.

• 3:00:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and airports, right. Outside of Maddow, MSNBC has seen an unprecedented plunge. This is really bad news. And what is that? For example, on Tuesday, November 11th, a week after the elections, MSNBC attracted its lowest 25 to 54 demo ratings in 23 years. Over on CNN, the demo number was the lowest it has been since June 27, 2000, when Bill Clinton was president. For the overall week of November 6 through 13, Fox News averaged 2.23 billion views, while MSNBC attracted a paltry 550,000 and CNN just 399,000. Think about how much money is being pumped into CNN. So go scroll back up a little bit.

• 3:01:28Joe Rogan?

  In fact, Fox News saw its viewership jump by 38% overall since November 5th, after dominating election night by topping all networks drawing more than 10 million viewers. It's so bad that MSNBC's Joe Scarborough and Mika, how do you say her name, crawled to Mar-a-Lago on Friday to kiss Trump's ring, drawing scorn for their utter shamelessness after years of on-air attacks.

• 3:01:54Speaker 02

  You know, real quick, let me just, you know what they're not including is that on Rumble, Dan Bongino and Steven Crowder had the number one and number two ratings on all of election night. So they're not, they're just mentioning mainstream networks. They're, they're leaving out the fact that-

• 3:02:08Joe Rogan?

  What did Dan Bongino have?

• 3:02:09Speaker 02

  He had over half a million, uh, real-time viewers live. Um, and same with Steven Crowder, they were very comparable. They were the number one and number two, uh-

• 3:02:17Joe Rogan?

  At all networks?

• 3:02:18Speaker 02

  -platforms in the world.

• 3:02:19Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 3:02:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 3:02:21Joe Rogan?

  So what did CNN have at that night?

• 3:02:22Speaker 02

  I can't, I'm not entirely sure, but it was way less. It was way less.

• 3:02:25Speaker 03

  No.

• 3:02:26Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 3:02:27Speaker 03

  That can't be.

• 3:02:28Speaker 02

  Go look it up.

• 3:02:29Speaker 03

  I would agree that online, they probably had the highest, but to compare the world watching CNN and Fox News and MSNBC that night was less than 500,000 is-

• 3:02:37Speaker 02

  Maybe, um, maybe it's online streaming I'm referring to.

• 3:02:39Joe Rogan?

  It must be, because didn't it just say Fox News had the highest ratings? There were 5.5 million?

• 3:02:44Speaker 03

  This doesn't have anything to do with online. That's even saying like the 25 to 54-year-olds call just be people, they're like, why would I turn on the TV? I'll just watch online.

• 3:02:51Joe Rogan?

  So they dominated it online?

• 3:02:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:02:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So either way, this is what happened after 2016 as well, you know, like when, or after 2020 rather. And once he's out of office, you can't complain about Trump anymore, your ratings crash. Like your entire, your entire business is operated on fear. It's like, oh, the orange man.

• 3:03:09Speaker 02

  And hatred. I mean, let's be real, there's a lot of people just tune in just to get angry.

• 3:03:13Joe Rogan?

  I tune into Joy Reid just to laugh. I like to get blazed, watch that lady. Like, what the fuck are you saying? Like what she's talking about, like, she spent an entire part of her program comparing Trump to Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini. And MSNBC compared the rally in Madison Square Garden to the Nazi rally from the 1930s.

• 3:03:34Speaker 02

  Oh, my word.

• 3:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, oh, well, they were all in the same, you know, I performed in Madison Square Garden, so that must mean me a Nazi as well.

• 3:03:40Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:03:41Joe Rogan?

  You know, obviously, here we are. When I had a show there, I was telling jokes.

• 3:03:43Speaker 02

  And you just had a guy on your show talking about the swastika on five continents around the world 10,000 years ago.

• 3:03:48Speaker 03

  You did have Graham Hancock on.

• 3:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Fucking Nazi.

• 3:03:49Speaker 01

  stuff and then I defended the martyr made guy.

• 3:03:52Speaker 02

  Let me just say this.

• 3:03:53Speaker 01

  That's more Nazi.

• 3:03:54Speaker 02

  I encourage everyone to go watch, everyone go watch Ancient Apocalypse, Graham Hancock's on Netflix. Think for yourself. Um, but one last thing to mention about that is that even John Hoops had compared Ancient Apocalypse. He associated it with Sandy Hook. I am not kidding. This was, what, a week ago, two weeks ago?

• 3:04:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04:11Speaker 02

  Disgusting.

• 3:04:12Speaker 01

  He, he's talking about archaeology is a canary in the coal mine and, and you can tell that because you see this horrible thing happened before nine 11. And therefore they're connected and Sandy Hook happened before, right around the same time as the 2012 thing. Ergo, it's just like, dude.

• 3:04:26Speaker 02

  Puke.

• 3:04:27Speaker 01

  I, I, you know, Alex Jones could give you some advice here, buddy. You're gonna get fucking sued. Shut your mouth about Sandy Hook, man. Come on.

• 3:04:34Joe Rogan?

  It's all the same thing that they do. It's the same thing Flint Dibble did, you know, connecting it to white supremacy, Atlantis, to white, oh, Atlantis.

• 3:04:42Speaker 01

  It's really a funny.

• 3:04:43Joe Rogan?

  So we're, we're at three hours plus in, but we, I would feel like we cheated the world if you didn't talk about the Rashad structure.

• 3:04:50Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 3:04:51Joe Rogan?

  I, I love your video. Um, and I, I saw, I don't understand Randall's reluctance to, uh, to accept this as a possibility. It's very fascinating because there's so many details and your video that details the Rashad structure, which is incredibly strange. Structure. If it's not manmade and if it wasn't at one point in time, it's some sort of a, a structure that was made by human beings.

• 3:05:21Speaker 02

  It doesn't need to be. So this is one of the things that Randall says, well, it's a natural feature. So it can't be Atlantis. I'm like, well, who built Atlantis? He said it was the god Poseidon. Well, was Poseidon an actual individual? Because if you look at the ancient Greek translation Poseidon, it's lord of the earth, which I think is a modern day translation. For mother nature, uh, and humans have built on natural geological features throughout history. If you were to bring up the Rashad structure from space, it's like no other place on earth. It is a mysterious site. The best, the consensus is that it's volcanic in nature and is a collapsed volcanic dome. But it doesn't match anything else anywhere else on earth as far as volcanic dome. It matches more than a dozen similarities of the most, let me say this, the most consequential

• 3:06:05Speaker 02

  similarities to what Plato had described as a lost ancient city of Atlantis. And it's made up of concentric circles. If it had water, it specifically matches three of water and two of land. It's made up of red, black, white color stones. There's an abundance of gold in Mauritania. Elephants, which were described to being on Atlantis. You won't find gold or elephants in the Azores like Randall promotes. It also has an opening at the south, which matches the description of Atlantis. There's mountains to the north, which just so happened to be called the Atlas Mountains, which are in modern day Morocco. Well, Atlas, which is a very unique name, was said to be the very first king of Atlantis, which also happens to be the very first, the name of the very first king in Mauritania, which is where the Rishat Structure is located.

• 3:06:48Joe Rogan?

  It's also covered in salt.

• 3:06:49Speaker 02

  Yes, the water was there. And, oh, and here's another similarity is that Atlantis was said on those mountains that were said to be to the north, which are, again, happened to be named the Atlas Mountains. Well, there was a river that was said to be flowing from those mountains. And there's a scientific study that say the Tam and Risset River flowed at the exact time of Atlantis, 11,600 years ago, either right through the Rishat Structure or directly north of it. And, and those are just a handful of similarities. It is by far the most likely location of the lost ancient city of Atlantis. Nothing can be concluded either way, but it is something that should not be ignored.

• 3:07:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's certainly really fascinating.

• 3:07:27Speaker 02

  It is.

• 3:07:28Joe Rogan?

  And just the fact that there's these concentric rings that match the description of Atlantis, and it's in the same spot, and it's in, the mountains are in the same spot. The opening is in the same spot.

• 3:07:39Speaker 02

  Look at that.

• 3:07:40Joe Rogan?

  I mean, whatever that is, is really weird. And if you would imagine a city like Atlantis and what the way it was described, that seems a very likely spot for it.

• 3:07:50Speaker 02

  And let me tell you something else. A lot of people say, well, it's not an island, so it couldn't possibly be Atlantis. But what they leave out is the fact that the ancient Greek word for island was nesos and nesan, which had five meanings, one of which was island, the other was promontory peninsula, as well as land within a continent surrounded by lakes, rivers, or springs, which matches the Rishat Structure. So it's like, you know, a lot of people, and let me also say this, because a lot of people, and I think all areas should be studied, I'm not debunking the Azores, however... The fact that it's in the Sahara Desert and that the Egyptians are the ones that came up with the tale of Atlantis, that's where it originates from, which surprises a lot of people. Well, Egypt's in the Sahara and so is the Rashat Structure, and at the time of Atlantis,

• 3:08:33Speaker 02

  the Sahara was green, it had one of the largest networks of rivers ever known to exist, as well as the largest freshwater lake. And so if they were, if the Egyptians were colonists of a destroyed civilization, it's not unreasonable to say that it was in the Sahara. And let me say something else. If Atlantis was described as being busy all day and all night and was a trading post, does it make sense it'd be in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean? Or is it far more feasible that it would be in the Sahara Desert, which wasn't a desert at the time? Because if it was said to be busy all day and all night with languages spoken from all over, well, then where are all these people coming from in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean to go visit it?

• 3:09:14Speaker 02

  It makes far more sense that it would be in that portion, in that region of the world.

• 3:09:19Joe Rogan?

  How much work has been done excavating?

• 3:09:21Speaker 02

  None, zero.

• 3:09:22Speaker 01

  Almost nothing, yes.

• 3:09:23Speaker 02

  It is, they, there's gold in the Mortanian Desert and they don't want anyone touching it.

• 3:09:28Speaker 01

  It's a dangerous place to go.

• 3:09:30Speaker 02

  It's very inhospitable. It's 250 miles inland and it is, I know people that have gone out there, and it is a dangerous, inhospitable place, there's no water, it is, it's hard to get to. You could have all the money in the world and you could still die out there.

• 3:09:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's not just hard to get to, but not just inhospitable, it's kind of war-torn, kind of fucked up, kind of the, the kind of place where you're not gonna have to worry about somebody playing a tourist trick on you, they're just gonna take your shit.

• 3:09:57Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 3:09:58Speaker 01

  It's a lot, a lot of, it's a lot of reasons that people aren't going there, but it's really interesting, even to me, where I'm a lot more skeptical of it. So I do believe in a lost civilization, and I think that, I think it's really interesting to find so many of those same things in the same areas, it's just uncanny. Like Jim says, when it's just a stone's throw away from Egypt, really, it's not, it would make sense that they would have that package, a big chunk of those things so accurately recorded, and to find it right there, it...

• 3:10:28Speaker 01

  Definitely, this is one of the things I harp about on my channel all the time. There's, we need more honest skeptics. This is definitely the kind of thing we need real scientists to go out there and do. We don't need guys to knee jerk and say, "Well, you attached it to Atlantis, so fuck that noise, it can't be." We don't need guys to say, "It's definitely Atlantis, but there's nothing to see here. We need boots on the ground."

• 3:10:48Joe Rogan?

  And how the fuck could Atlantis, if it really is in Africa, be connected to white supremacy?

• 3:10:53Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck. Let me touch on this one really quick, Joe. If I can hit this really fast.

• 3:10:57Joe Rogan?

  It's so stupid.

• 3:10:58Speaker 02

  The Africans are black. Hello?

• 3:11:00Speaker 01

  Their whole point of this-

• 3:11:01Speaker 02

  I'm saying the Atlanteans are black.

• 3:11:02Joe Rogan?

  It's black supremacy.

• 3:11:03Speaker 02

  This is what John Anthony West said on your show. He said, he's like, "Not only did Atlantis exist, but they were black."

• 3:11:09Joe Rogan?

  African supremacy.

• 3:11:10Speaker 01

  They did it. The way that these guys attach the white supremacy thing is they go back to guys from the 1800s that wrote about Atlantis, that had some old-school views on race. Now, they believed in the biblical races. And the way that the biblical races came to be something you'll never find John Hoops or Flint Dibble tell you because it guts their entire argument. Before the flood, there was one race of humans. After the flood, Noah gets drunk, three of his sons are around, one of them picks on him, laughs at him, two other ones don't. The one that picked on him was Ham. The African people were considered to be the Hamites. Sam, the Semitic people, were in the middle, and then the other one, the Japhizites, which eventually became the Aryans, were considered to be the white

• 3:11:55Speaker 01

  people. That was the European view of race for up until about 150 years ago. So, 200 years ago, a guy writing about Atlantis would not have thought it was an Aryan Atlantis because Aryans didn't exist until after Noah. It was one of Noah's sons. So, before the flood, there was no Aryans. So, anytime somebody says that all this old-school shit believes in, all you gotta do is scratch the surface and you'll find that's not the case at all. This guy didn't believe in a white Atlantis. Ignatius Donnelly did not believe in a white Atlantis, despite Flint Dibble making sure to name-drop that fucker anytime he gets a chance. But they're going to make sure you think that they're going to eliminate because of the biblical races are something most people don't know much about.

• 3:12:37Speaker 02

  Listen, let me just say this one point. I don't care what their color of their skin was, but the legend comes from Egypt and they're fucking brown. So get, go, get fucked with your racist argument. I don't care. Like, anyway.

• 3:12:48Joe Rogan?

  Go get fucked. Gentlemen, thank you very much. It's been a lot of fun. It's really, really been fun. Jimmy, always great to see you.

• 3:12:54Speaker 02

  Good to see you again.

• 3:12:55Joe Rogan?

  Very nice to meet you.

• 3:12:55Speaker 01

  Nice to meet you too, Joe.

• 3:12:56Joe Rogan?

  Thank you for your channel, both of you guys. Fantastic. D-Donking, Bright Insight, awesome channels.

• 3:13:02Speaker 02

  Follow me on X, Rumble, and Instagram. Love you all. Thank you, Joe.

• 3:13:06Speaker 01

  I'm gonna be at the Cosmic Summit speaking this summer if you guys want to catch me there.

• 3:13:09Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 3:13:10Speaker 01

  Cosmic Summit, yeah.

• 3:13:10Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful.

• 3:13:11Speaker 02

  Thanks again, Joe.

• 3:13:11Joe Rogan?

  Thanks, everybody. Bye.

• 3:13:12Speaker 02

  Bye now.