First Lady Jill Biden Pt 3 President Biden’s Stage 4 Cancer, His Race for a Second Term & More

FIRST TIME EVER, First Lady Dr. Jill Biden is here with you and me, in person for this incredible Part 3 of our conversation on the Jamie Kern Lima Show! And she’s opening up and sharing things she’s never shared before…including revelations and updates on President Biden, the upcoming 2028 elections, hardships, love, family, betrayals, keeping faith and maintaining hope! Her life, her incredible career and her legacy that’s still very much in the making! We truly talk about all the things, and no questions are off limits! I even ask her the ones you’ve submitted and she answers them…all of them! She’s truly revealing all, and shares stories, behind-the-curtain insights and life-changing lessons she’s never shared before! Get ready to cry, to be in a bit of shock and to gain soul-filling inspiration! And when I say we talk about all the things, we truly talk about all the things! From questions on regrets, to President Biden’s health, to exactly what happened that night during the debate with President Trump, to how was it possible no one knew President Biden had stage 4 cancer, to the state of our country. From HER incredible life so far, to how she’s handled it all, from the devastating loss of one child to cancer and having another battling addiction…to how she handles haters and critics and friends who betray her…to how she and Joe summitted the highest peak possible in politics…the White House… She has a brand new book out called View From The East Wing, you can get it anywhere books are sold and it’s also on Audible where the first lady herself reads it to you. And Today, she’s opening up like never before and nothing is off limits! Also, I’m so grateful for your love and loyalty to this show, and there’s something I want to quickly share personally from me to you. I’ve had republicans, democrats and independents on this show - ranging from First Lady Michelle Obama in a special 3-part interview to actor Kelsey Grammer sharing his support of President Trump to James Talarico, one of the most momentous rising stars in politics right now. The intention of this show is to be a force for good and a force for love…I have guests on that might vote differently, love differently or pray differently from you and me because I believe: To heal humanity through love, we must first understand the humans who make it up! I am SO Happy you are here…no matter how you vote, you love or you pray, you belong here! And I have to say, I’m so excited to share today’s conversation with you! And if you could take 2 seconds and hit the subscribe button on the ap you’re listening or watching on…that way you’ll be the very first to get every inspirational episode! And whether you're joining me today for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And remember this episode is not just for you and me. Please share it with every single person that you know because it can change their life too. ____ Chapters: 0:00 Welcome to The Jamie Kern Lima Show 7:50 First Lady Dr. Jill Biden On Rumors of Cognitive Decline in President Biden 9:46 First Lady Dr. Jill Biden On Women & Menopause 13:40 How Does President Biden’s Stage 4 Cancer Get Missed? 20:35 What Really Happened When President Biden Made The Decision Not To Run Again It’s such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note: I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is NOT intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Click ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to Subscribe to the YouTube Channel Follow me here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Sign up for my inspirational newsletter for YOU at:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ jamiekernlima.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Looking for my books on Amazon? Here they are! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WORTHY⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Believe IT⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

• 0:00Speaker 00

  During President Biden's time in office, did you ever see signs of cognitive decline? Was there ever a moment where you thought this could impair his ability to do his job? No, never, never his entire presidency.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  I mean, he would.

• 0:16Speaker 00

  Coming up in this incredible part three episode with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. Nothing's off limits today. Everyone's so excited to hear from you.

• 0:28Speaker 00

  When you are the most powerful man in the world, and you have access to the best medical care, I understand that the protocol for testing for prostate cancer isn't to test PSA over the age of 70.

• 0:43Speaker 01

  That's correct.

• 0:43Speaker 00

  I understand how with traditional medicine, things can be missed. How with so many things like preventative full body MRI scans?

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, but have you had one? Jill, I know. I haven't, but I've been thinking about it this week.

• 0:59Speaker 00

  When I waitressed at Denny's, this is, I'm not kidding. I saved my tip money. I was in my twenties, so that was 20 years ago. And I did a full body MRI. What? I know, I did it, they had them then.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  They had them then?

• 1:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, now they're everywhere. How does the most powerful man in the world, the President of the United States with the best medical care, how does nobody catch this? How does this not get caught?

• 1:27Speaker 01

  Well, they didn't test him.

• 1:29Speaker 00

  They didn't? And nobody knew or had any idea?

• 1:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:34Speaker 00

  Until, I think you guys shared very shortly after you found out that he had stage four.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Well, he, that first appointment, Jamie, I mean, right then and there, the doctor said, something's there. And we, we just never expected that. To find out that it was stage four cancer that had metastasized? I mean, it was shocking. It was just shocking.

• 2:07Speaker 00

  Is there any chance that the doctors in the White House, whether for past administrations or current administrations, just keep up a facade and tell the president what they want to hear?

• 2:19Speaker 01

  No, no, we have incredible doctors. So how they missed it? I have no idea.

• 2:27Speaker 00

  All throughout history, so many times when something goes wrong or goes awry or doesn't go as planned, somehow ultimately, the woman gets blamed. There are so many people, as you know, that say Jill told Joe to run again. Jill told Joe he has to stay in, even though she must have known something was wrong. Why do you think there seems to be so many theories out there that you are the decision maker behind everything?

• 2:58Speaker 01

  I said, no. I said, you make this decision yourself. I said, whatever decision is made, you have to be able to live with it the rest of your life. And I said, I am not going to weigh in for or against. And I kept true to that. It was his decision. I think people just put whatever twist on it that they want. And mostly, they're, it's negative. Because in the beginning, I mean, Joe did not, was not going to run for two terms. He was only going to run for that one term. He's resigning from office because people don't feel he can do the job. At the same moment,

• 3:42Speaker 01

  he's arranging for the release of a hostage. He's doing the job so well. And he grabbed my hand and he said, Jilli, I had no choice.

• 3:59Speaker 00

  First Lady Dr. Jill Biden made history as the first First Lady to hold a full-time job as a college professor, while also serving in her full-time role in the White House and across the country as our First Lady. She's carried unimaginable tragedies and loss. From losing her son Beau to cancer, to her other son Hunter battling extreme drug addiction, to now President Joe Biden being diagnosed with stage four metastatic cancer. And she has a brand new book out called View from the East Wing. You can get it anywhere books are sold. And it's also on Audible, where the First Lady herself reads it to you.

• 4:39Speaker 00

  And today, she's opening up like never before, and nothing is off limits. I am so happy you're here and so excited for this conversation we're having together today with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. The intention of this show is to be a force for good and a force for love. I have guests on that might vote differently or love differently or pray differently from you and me. Because I believe to help heal humanity through love, we must first understand the humans who make it up. And I am so happy that you are here. No matter how you vote, how you love, how you pray, you belong here. And whether today you're listening for yourself or because someone shared this episode with you,

• 5:24Speaker 00

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• 6:06Speaker 00

  While the First Lady agreed that today, no questions were off limits. And so I do ask the most pressing questions so many of us want to know. I also want to ask you to join me in praying for President Biden's health and strength, and in praying for and sending love to his entire family during this time.

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• 7:49Speaker 00

  So many of us can relate to moments in our family. I've had this happen with, with parents and also grandparents, where we start to notice, where we have this moment where, whether it is a parent or a partner or a friend, where we're like, huh, I think that their memory is changing. Or I think their cognitive functioning is starting to shift. Or they're starting to lose their cognitive ability. During President Biden's time in office, did you ever see signs of cognitive decline?

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Well, I saw him aging. And I saw him, you know, slowing down. But I figured, well, he's 83 years old. Is this what aging is? And that's one of the things, when you talk about my next book, is I want to talk about health and aging, longevity. Because I don't feel that we have a true sense of, as we age, is this normal? Is this abnormal? Should I be calling a doctor? Should I, would it be ridiculous for me to call a doctor about this? And I don't think we really understand aging well enough

• 9:06Speaker 01

  about to know what's normal and what's not normal. And had we had another four years, that's what, one of the things I would have focused on was.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Really defining aging in this country? And what are its challenges? And, uh, and how do we go through it? Not just ourselves, but how, how do we go through it as a married couple? You know, how do we go through it as a family? What are, what are our obligations?

• 9:39Speaker 01

  How, you know, how do we handle it?

• 9:41Speaker 00

  How do we be caretakers? How do we be CEOs of our own health?

• 9:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's so much to it.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, you talk about in your book as well, um, about, you know, going through your own journey of dealing with menopause and not even speaking to Joe about it. And, you know, in a, in a way, sort of like suffering in silence and just powering through. And so many women do that. And we just to know the difference, as you mentioned, between aging, or is this just, is this just normal aging that you're seeing him go through? Is it actually something serious? Do you feel, was there ever a moment in the White House where you felt like his aging, whether it be signs or symptoms of normal aging, cognitive decline, whatever it might be that you saw?

• 10:28Speaker 00

  Was there ever a moment where you thought this could impair his ability to do his job?

• 10:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 10:34Speaker 00

  Never? Never his entire presidency?

• 10:36Speaker 01

  I mean, he would forget a word. I mean, uh, or switch somebody's name or some, and I do that myself.

• 10:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  So it's like, and, and now it's kind of scary. Like if you can't remember somebody's name, you think, oh, my God. You know, is there something wrong with me? Do I have some disease? Is this normal? You know, I'm in my seventies. And, um, so we don't know, we don't have the answers. And like you're saying about women's health and about menopause.

• 11:04Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm now working with women's health. I'm with Milken and I'm their chairperson of the National Health Network, or their Milken Health Network. And, um, and it's like we, I don't know whether you knew this or not, but you know, all the research was done until the 1990s, the mid 1990s on men. There were no women in the studies. And even the mice were males. Like, how do you study menopause in a male mouse? I mean, it makes no sense. And, um, so we're pretty far behind. But the good news is that now we're catching up.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  And women are talking about menopause. Like before, you know, when I went through menopause, which was what? 30 years ago?

• 12:00Speaker 01

  It wasn't, I mean, people would talk, women would talk about it, but not like, you know, they weren't like today. Like there weren't books written about it. That you couldn't go online and find some answers. And, I mean, I know myself and I write this, um, you know, I went to my doctor and, um, the big scare when I was put on hormone therapy, I was, uh, it could give you breast cancer. And so I said to my doctor, should I stay on? Should I get off? What, what do you think? To my gynecologist. And she said, Jill, what do you think? What do you want to do? And I'm like, I said, you're my doctor. You're asking me to make that decision?

• 12:46Speaker 01

  And that is how it used to be. And I think there's so much we need to do that we are doing. Like we have to go into the medical schools and we have to rewrite the curriculum that deals with menopause, because I don't think there is any now. Or it's very, you know, it's like three pages or something in the medical books. But all of this is now changing with osteoporosis, endometriosis, menopause. I mean, we are now, I'm, I hope that your audience feels hopeful.

• 13:16Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  We are starting to get answers because we're demanding them.

• 13:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  We're not staying silent anymore.

• 13:23Speaker 00

  I love that I know what your next book's about.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  I'll be back.

• 13:27Speaker 00

  Perfect. I did a four-part series with Dr. Mary Claire Haver, uh, just a few months ago on menopause. Fascinating. Exactly what you're saying, that there's no training even in the best medical schools. And how shocking that is.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:40Speaker 00

  And how that needs to change. One of the biggest questions people have is when you are the most powerful man in the world and you have access to the best medical care, I understand that the protocol for testing for prostate cancer isn't to test PSA over the age of 70.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  That's correct.

• 14:00Speaker 00

  I understand how with traditional medicine, uh, things can be missed. But how, in this day and age, how with so many things like preventative full-body MRI scans?

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, but have you had one? Jill, I haven't. But I've been thinking about it this week.

• 14:19Speaker 00

  Okay, you've got to do it. We, so you and I were both waitresses. I, when I waitressed at Denny's, this is, I'm not kidding. I saved my tip money. I was in my twenties, so that was 20 years ago. And I did a full-body MRI.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  What?

• 14:34Speaker 00

  I know, I did it, they had them then.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  They had them then?

• 14:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, now they're everywhere. Now, and when you, when you do it, there's no radiation.

• 14:44Speaker 00

  Here was my rationale is I've had friends catch things in stage zero. You know, and then, then it's a simple, a simple thing.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  A simple fix, yeah.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  This is something people are struggling to understand.

• 14:58Speaker 00

  How, how, and, and here's what I'll say, actually. When you look back in history and you see royal families of all different countries and you see the behind the scenes stories, you'll often see doctors not telling the king something's wrong. You'll often see people keeping information from people in power. And there's so many theories out there on this. There's theories that how could you not have known? And so, you know, how does the most powerful man in the world, the President of the United States with the best medical care, how does nobody catch this? I get that there is no PSA for, for, for prostate protocol.

• 15:42Speaker 00

  But with any other tool, whether it's preventative medicine or anything else, full-body MRI, how does this not get caught?

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Well, uh, and you've read my book and you've listened to it. And you know, that's chapter one, and that's almost how I start out.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  In that, um, that's it, they were the guidelines that you don't test over 70. And so I write in the book how Joe kept getting up and I went to the doc and I kept saying, hey, doc, like, you know, I got to teach in the morning. And he's, he's up a couple of times a night and is this normal? And, and, um, and so I assume, you know, the doc would talk to Joe about it. And, um, but as it turns out, you know, he went by the guidelines of the American Urological Association, saying, don't test, uh, PSA, uh, over 70. And they didn't test him.

• 16:41Speaker 00

  They didn't. And nobody knew or had any idea.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  No.

• 16:45Speaker 00

  Until, I think you guys shared very shortly after you found out that he had stage four.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Well, he kept, you know, we got out of office.

• 16:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  And he kept getting up.

• 16:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  And I said, Joe, like, we got to address this. And so I, I called, like, you would think he'd be concerned about his health. He would have called. I called and got an appointment with the urologist and said, we got to come up and get this figured out. And, um, we went up to Philly and, uh, and I never, I mean, that first appointment, Jamie, I mean,

• 17:19Speaker 01

  right then and there, the doctor said, something's there.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  And, um, we, we just never expected that. We just never expected that. And, and then to find out that it was stage four cancer that had metastasized? I mean, it was shocking. It was just shocking.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  So there are the facts. I mean, he just, we had, we just had no idea.

• 17:54Speaker 00

  Was the urologist that found it a different doctor than the doctor?

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, we went, we went up to Jefferson.

• 18:01Speaker 00

  Is there any chance, I would never think there's, I'm just gonna ask it. Is there, is there any chance that the doctors in the White House, whether for past administrations or current administrations, just keep up a facade and tell the president?

• 18:17Speaker 01

  I don't think, no, no, we had incredible doctors. They were all from Walter Reed. They honestly, they were incredible doctors. And I thought we received really excellent medical care. On the lower level, there's an actual medical office right as you, right by the elevator that you go to the residence. So you can go down, you know, there anytime at all. I'm telling you, I mean, you get a scratch on your knee and they're up there with Band-Aids. I mean, they, they were really good doctors. So how they missed it? I have no idea.

• 18:54Speaker 00

  I, I love how passionate you are about health. And I think that it's just a great learning for all of us that if you have the best medical care in the world and something can still be missed.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:09Speaker 00

  That it's worth.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  I agree with that.

• 19:11Speaker 00

  Like, you know, figuring out how do I, how do I become the CEO of my own health? What preventative stuff is out there? You know, and, and it's interesting. It's hard enough to get healthcare coverage for Americans. And it's definitely a privilege to be able to, to do any type of preventative thing. And that's a whole other topic as well. But anyone who is blessed enough to be able to do it, uh, I think it's, I think it's definitely worth it. When you look throughout history, cause right now, I mean, first of all, in, in 2026, you know, you cannot be public in any way, shape or form,

• 19:51Speaker 00

  and not have 50 million fans and 50 million critics and all kinds of haters trying to get clicks on stories and all kinds of conspiracy theories. It's just like an occupational hazard. Now I have a lot of friends that have the top podcasts out there. And I mean, it's, it doesn't matter what profession you're in now. If you're public in any way, yeah, it's just like everything. And also just the amount of conspiracy theories. And it's wild how people get fed algorithms and this and that. All throughout history, so many times when something goes wrong or goes awry or doesn't go as planned, somehow ultimately the woman gets blamed. Right? So there are so many people, as you know, I'm not gonna share anything you don't know,

• 20:36Speaker 00

  that, that say Jill told Joe to run again. Jill told Joe he has to stay in, even though she must have known something was wrong.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  There are a million people involved, including the president himself, in making decisions on is he gonna run again and all of the things. Why do you think there seems to be so many theories out there that you are the decision maker behind everything?

• 21:06Speaker 01

  Because I think, um, well, first of all, I, I write about it in my book. And, um, I can remember being at our beach house in Rehoboth Beach. And there was so much pressure for Joe to step down and to step aside. And, um, he was losing the support of the Democratic Party. And Joe said to me, you know, what, what do you think, Jill? What do you think I should do? And I said, um, no. I said, you make this decision yourself. I said, whatever decision is made, you have to be able to live with it the rest of your life. And I said, I am not gonna weigh in for or against.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  And I kept true to that. And Joe's advisors came in and they, you know, it was, um, but Joe, I think, saw the direction that things were going. And he decided to step aside. I mean, I thought what he did was heroic. I mean, he gave up everything.

• 22:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  And I think, you know, it was his decision. I think people just put whatever twist on it that they want. And mostly they're, it's negative.

• 22:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  And, uh, because it's, um, it's just human nature.

• 22:28Speaker 00

  I think it's so important for humanity and for everyone out there to go, oh, there's this one moment timer, this one decision, but really to zoom out and go, wow, this person has been a public servant for over 50 years.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  Most people, they volunteered once at a food pantry, like in eighth grade. And it was like two hours.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 22:50Speaker 00

  He has been a public servant for over 50 years. Like the lifetime of service, um, I think also puts context around then making that decision.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 23:03Speaker 00

  Like George Washington did, like, I mean, making that decision to step away from the most powerful role in the world.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:14Speaker 00

  It's gotta be hard.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  It was hard. I mean, I think it was hard for him. But, um, I can remember, you know, going upstairs that night and, um, getting in bed and I said, Joe, you know, how, how are you doing? And he grabbed my hand and he said, Jillie, I had no choice. And, uh, so, you know, he had to step aside. I mean, that's, that's who Joe was. But I think in this whole process, I think, and I think history will prove this. And, um, if you look back at 2023, after the midterms occurred

• 23:59Speaker 01

  and we won the midterms and how, you know, the Democrats were doing so well. And everybody was coming to, to Joe and to me and saying, um, he's gotta keep going, he's gotta keep going. He started to do so many things. We've gotta persevere, we've gotta move on, we've gotta build on what we've already done. And, um, and his advisors were saying that. People were saying that everywhere, out on the road. He has to run, he has to run. And, um, because in the beginning, I mean, Joe did not, was not going to run for two terms. He was only going to run for that one term.

• 24:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  And I think people forget that historical context because of all the negative overlay. They forget the true story of what happened. And I'm hoping, um, that it's revealed in history. And that becomes Joe's legacy, that he did it for, because he believed in, you know, listening to the American people. And I thought it was, you know, you talk about heroes. I mean, I was really proud. I knew how hard it would be, but he did it.

• 25:14Speaker 00

  And I think the context is so important, you know, for everyone listening or watching right now. If you imagine yourself in the most powerful position in the world, having also been a public servant over 50 years. And then everyone around you and your party, your best advisors, everyone's saying, run, run, run. It's you, it's you, it's you.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah. And the day, the very hour that he was sitting, we were sitting at our dining room table and he was writing his resignation letter. At the very same time, there's a bedroom right, right near our dining room in our beach house. He was in the bedroom on the phone arranging for the release of Evan Gershkowitz. You know, the hostage. And I thought, look at the irony of this. He's resigning from office because people don't feel he can do the job. At the same moment, he's arranging for the release of a hostage.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  He's doing the job so well that he's releasing, getting this hostage released. I mean, it was just unbelievable. It was just a surreal moment in time in our lives, in Joe's presidency, um, to experience it all.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  This conversation with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden is so incredible. We made it into more than one part. She's truly opening up like never before and sharing lessons that have changed her life and could truly impact and change yours too. You are not gonna wanna miss this incredible part four of our conversation with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. It's coming up in the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Remember this episode's not just for you and me. Please share this with every single person that you know, because it can impact and change their life too. And if you loved today's episode, please click the follow or subscribe button for the show on the app you're listening to it on or watching it on. And if it added value to your life, if you could please give it a rating or review,

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