WELL-RESTED TWEENS Ft. Chris Olsen | Episode 153

We're keeping the All Stars episodes coming this year!! Chris Olsen makes his grand return to the show to debrief the Golden Globes with Drew, talk about their shared obsession with Meghan Trainor, the importance of taking breaks, theatre boarding school, making your therapists laugh, the power of the Ozdust ballroom scene in Wicked, sleep paralysis, the Club Chris tour, and so much more. Chris's IG: https://www.instagram.com/chrisolsen/?hl=en Chris's Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@chris?lang=en Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:02Speaker 04

  They swab me and they go, they like jam it up my nose and I'm like, gorgeous, wrong hole. Five minutes later, it's positive. I just start bawling because I'm like, I was talking to everyone so close.

• 1:17Drew Afualo?

  I was just inside breathing on Drew's family.

• 1:19Speaker 04

  I'm a fucking super spreader, oh my God, everyone's gonna die because of me.

• 1:30Drew Afualo?

  Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show. Sorry, me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me? Onto the guest today, we have another iconic All-Stars episode. He's already coughing into the mic, that's so gross. Thanks a lot.

• 1:45Speaker 04

  It's better than putting it in my mouth.

• 1:47Drew Afualo?

  The one and only, he has come back and he's better than ever, Mr. Chris Olsen.

• 1:53Speaker 04

  Hello, hi, studio audience, thank you guys for coming.

• 1:57Drew Afualo?

  Welcome back, King.

• 1:58Speaker 04

  Oh my God, we've just been, I feel like we had a podcast episode before this began.

• 2:01Drew Afualo?

  We did, we were keying for an hour before this.

• 2:03Speaker 04

  We were yapping.

• 2:04Drew Afualo?

  We were yapping, we have more than enough yap in the two of us.

• 2:06Speaker 04

  So much.

• 2:06Drew Afualo?

  Two yappy girls.

• 2:07Speaker 04

  So much, especially after the year we've been through.

• 2:10Drew Afualo?

  Two well rested, recently on breaks tweens.

• 2:14Speaker 04

  We have that, we have tweens. They're both seventeen. We have the glow of people who have taken breaks.

• 2:20Drew Afualo?

  Girl.

• 2:21Speaker 04

  On the internet.

• 2:21Drew Afualo?

  And I, you texted me when I took my break and you were saying that was the best thing you could have done for yourself. How have you been feeling since the break?

• 2:28Speaker 04

  A little better. Everyone still wants to call me ugly, but I feel pretty.

• 2:32Drew Afualo?

  It's okay, me too.

• 2:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, right, right. Which, as I was saying to you, like, when someone calls me ugly, for some reason, our Lord and Savior decided to not let that affect me that much.

• 2:43Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 2:43Speaker 04

  When someone calls me ugly, I'm just kind of like, is that the worst? That's the most you got?

• 2:48Drew Afualo?

  You're telling me.

• 2:48Speaker 04

  Baby. I'm happy when I look in the mirror and that's what matters.

• 2:52Drew Afualo?

  Tea.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  And that's what matters also, to most of you who are calling me ugly, especially some of maybe the other gay men.

• 2:59Drew Afualo?

  Hmm.

• 3:00Speaker 04

  Say it to my face.

• 3:01Drew Afualo?

  He said twin, eh, twin.

• 3:02Speaker 04

  Or do you want a kiss?

• 3:05Speaker 04

  Cause I probably don't want to.

• 3:05Drew Afualo?

  You and me both. And I told Chris, when he told me that in the dressing room, I was like, oh, when I, when they tell me that, I go, liar.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  Period.

• 3:12Drew Afualo?

  You fucking liar. I'm not, what, I may be a lot of things, but I am not ugly.

• 3:16Speaker 04

  Right.

• 3:16Drew Afualo?

  I know that for a fact.

• 3:17Speaker 04

  I'm also like, okay, yeah, I got some bad days, I got some bad outfits.

• 3:20Drew Afualo?

  And you're not ugly either, Chris.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Well, thank you. Actually, you were like, you knew where I was going with that. And you were like, oh, let's hold it back, actually. If I, and, and if I am, okay, what, what is that gonna, and now what? Great, I'm fucking ugly.

• 3:34Drew Afualo?

  Now what?

• 3:35Speaker 04

  What do you want to do about this?

• 3:36Drew Afualo?

  What should we do now, Chris?

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Why is this so upsetting to you?

• 3:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 3:39Speaker 04

  What, what does this say about you? Because it actually doesn't say much about me. You're the one who's so upset by my ugliness that you want to talk about it and you want to say that it makes you want to vomit. Like, the people who just want to like rip their eyes out every time they see one of my glam bots, you care about my glam bot more than I do.

• 3:56Drew Afualo?

  Girl, get into it.

• 3:57Speaker 04

  Also, thank you for making five million compilations of it. I end up on every single one. Maybe it's the worst, but my glam bots have gone viral.

• 4:05Drew Afualo?

  And can I tell you something? When they were, when you were posting about your glam bot, cause I didn't see any hate videos about you, right? About the glam bot specifically, I didn't see any. And then I thought, well, maybe he did a glam bot I didn't see because the one I saw, I thought was awesome.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  Thank you, thank you.

• 4:19Drew Afualo?

  Okay, body tea. Body is tea, body tea served. Sorry, house down. Sorry.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  I love a giggle from Video Village. I've had, I've had a good ti, I said this in a comment response, I was like, I- Enjoy all of my glam bots. I've had fun making them.

• 4:36Drew Afualo?

  They're fun. Who cares?

• 4:37Speaker 04

  There was a moment during the shirtless one when a lot of people were really attacking me. But then I would always click on their profile and see what they looked like.

• 4:47Drew Afualo?

  I'd get mad too. Yeah. If I look like that and I saw your glam bot, I'd get mad too. Yeah.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  Yes, but you know what I always do? I might not do it this year because I think I have to stop giving so much meaning or power to these people. But anytime I see someone make a hate comment of me, I screenshot the comment, I screenshot their page, and then I screenshot anything else I can find. So if they ever make it big, I have it.

• 5:15Drew Afualo?

  You're so mean.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  Well, one of these people, one of the, the, the top comment on that, like, the opening the jacket glam bot was, like, someone needs to humble this, like, gremlin or something like that? Clicked on him, ooh, who's a gremlin? Second of all.

• 5:33Drew Afualo?

  Looking in a mirror, twin?

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Right. Second of all, his bio was like, works in PR. I was like, god damn, who the fuck are your clients? I'm scared for them. I'm scared for them. Also, like, yeah, and this is, he's using his public page. His name was Adam. Don't sign with Adam if he works in PR. Adam, and Adam, I, maybe you have a lot of power in my mind because I think about you all the time and I wish you the worst. Okay? Because if that's what you're putting out into the world.

• 6:02Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 6:02Speaker 04

  Based on a glam bot. Okay, anyway, I felt bad about it for a second, but at the end of the day, now I'm just kind of like giving it a gag. You're gonna hate it every time. That's what I'm gonna do on this one. Like, okay.

• 6:13Drew Afualo?

  You have to.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  It is a fucking slo-mo glam camera.

• 6:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 6:18Speaker 04

  And all of you are trying to burn me at the stake for something you thought it was just not cute enough? You're mentally ill.

• 6:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 6:26Speaker 04

  And so am I, but I like the way I'm mentally ill versus yours. That's a scary one.

• 6:32Drew Afualo?

  Mine's different, okay?

• 6:33Speaker 04

  And try to get into therapy.

• 6:35Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  But, yeah.

• 6:36Drew Afualo?

  Also, I can say too, I've never done the glam bot, but obviously I've been to many carpets where I've seen.

• 6:41Speaker 04

  Get in front of that camera, baby.

• 6:43Drew Afualo?

  Well, they give me, I told you, they give me a vest and they tell me to start valeting cars when I get there.

• 6:48Speaker 04

  Ah, I will say.

• 6:50Drew Afualo?

  The line's too long, honestly, and honestly, I'm late every time, so that's why I miss, I miss the window.

• 6:55Speaker 04

  You, you're doing your glam.

• 6:57Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 6:57Speaker 04

  You're, you're getting the glam perfect. I will say for little TikTokers like us, for little, little tiny, tiny girls, they, we get one shot.

• 7:09Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  They, they are moving you along.

• 7:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:11Speaker 04

  Cole and I know each other a little bit now because he has seen every time one of these pops. Ah, for the wrong reasons. So I think if I begged for it, he would give me another shot, but I just don't care enough.

• 7:24Drew Afualo?

  No, they're, they're very one and done with us.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 7:26Drew Afualo?

  They really are. And I, my point in saying that is the glam bot is very intimidating.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 7:32Drew Afualo?

  And she moves fast as fuck. And then they're like.

• 7:35Speaker 04

  So fast.

• 7:36Drew Afualo?

  And then they're like, alright, go back to fucking serving trays. Thank you. Go pick up an order of tray and get to work.

• 7:41Speaker 04

  Right.

• 7:42Drew Afualo?

  Like as soon as you do your thing, they're like, okay, put this badge on, so people know not to shoot you. Go ahead.

• 7:47Speaker 04

  Okay, bottom. Climb back down the stairs if your legs still work.

• 7:51Drew Afualo?

  Done one though. I've never done the glam. I'm honestly kind of, I'm honestly kind of afraid.

• 7:54Speaker 04

  I think you would eat the fuck down.

• 7:57Drew Afualo?

  I hope so, but.

• 7:58Speaker 04

  Also, my first one, people were nice, okay? When, when you do your first one, it's a win for the culture. As soon as you've done your seventh or eighth.

• 8:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 8:06Speaker 04

  They're like, get the fuck out of our screen, little, you know what I mean? It's like, God, we've seen this bottom glam bot too many times. What's next? Position 28 or something? Like, put the legs in the air.

• 8:17Drew Afualo?

  I'll say, speaking of glam bot, we were both at the Golden Globes.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  We were.

• 8:21Drew Afualo?

  We were.

• 8:22Speaker 04

  We were.

• 8:22Drew Afualo?

  And we had a time.

• 8:23Speaker 04

  We did. I was so glad to see you.

• 8:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh my gosh.

• 8:27Speaker 04

  That's my friend. That's my girl.

• 8:28Drew Afualo?

  That's my sister. That's my blood.

• 8:30Speaker 04

  That's my girl. We were talking this morning. No, we weren't, but I met, that was crazy.

• 8:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  Which I said to her as well, which it was crazy that I was even able to like get out all of my words in a, in a relatively normal fashion. I was speaking so quickly, but I was, I said basically all of the things I would have wanted to say in a two-minute interaction with one kind of little stray. But that was okay. But I told her, I was like, you have been in my life for basically my whole life.

• 8:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:00Speaker 04

  Because she's been my girl. I was a victorious girl. I was a thirteen the musical girl. I was, when she first sang, when she was starting to go into music, she did like a Christmas concert and sang All I Want for Christmas Is You. And I remember having that YouTube video on repeat and she was still in her red, half up, half down hair. Like, it was very much victorious transferring into

• 9:23Drew Afualo?

  Into our.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  Truly area. Right. This is my girl.

• 9:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 9:26Speaker 04

  This is my girl. And then I'm so glad I was introduced to her in the era that she's currently in.

• 9:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  The like returning to her theater roots era, the wicked era. She seems so happy. She seems so healed.

• 9:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:40Speaker 04

  I know a lot of the time people's like criticism of what's happening now is she's so different. She's changed. I hope we all change and are always changing.

• 9:49Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 9:49Speaker 04

  Like if she were the same, y'all would say it's getting old. If she didn't change enough, that actually that's I was about to repeat myself. But because she's changed, also all of that content, all of that music from that era

• 10:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  Is available for your consumption.

• 10:04Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 10:05Speaker 04

  Go watch it.

• 10:05Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 10:06Speaker 04

  If that's your favorite era, listen to the music.

• 10:08Drew Afualo?

  It's also a very painful time in her life where she was creating art that people love, which is like beautiful for you.

• 10:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 10:14Drew Afualo?

  Traumatizing for her.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  Right.

• 10:15Drew Afualo?

  Which is, I, I always think I'm like, she's been through a lot.

• 10:19Speaker 04

  So much.

• 10:20Drew Afualo?

  Like publicly.

• 10:21Speaker 04

  Publicly.

• 10:22Drew Afualo?

  Horrifying and I know she's a cancer.

• 10:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 10:25Drew Afualo?

  Man, I can't imagine.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  And I'm a Capricorn, like Cynthia.

• 10:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 10:28Speaker 04

  So we had that connection immediately.

• 10:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 10:31Speaker 04

  I'm saying like, God is like, oh, and she's thought about me ever since.

• 10:35Drew Afualo?

  And I guarantee she'll never forget me.

• 10:38Speaker 04

  No, I mean, but.

• 10:39Drew Afualo?

  Touch me with everyone.

• 10:40Speaker 04

  And she'll never forget. Well, I brought up how when I went to the honeymoon tour like 10 years ago, she did an opt up while she was singing Tattooed Heart that night. And I've never found a video of her doing the same opt up and I was recording it. And so I brought that up during our interaction. And that one like really shocked her and she was like, you're hardcore. And I, I walked away from that being like, that was a little random of me, but I do think it was memorable.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  I do think it because.

• 11:12Drew Afualo?

  That was weird and a little creepy, but more than anything, she'll never forget.

• 11:16Speaker 04

  At the end of the day, I, I, if I run into her again, I'll say, tattooed heart, opt up mama. Oh, guys.

• 11:22Drew Afualo?

  That's me.

• 11:22Speaker 04

  I remember you freak. But I, I, I was like, I'm glad I said something kind of like that because I'm sure she's heard Wicked was amazing and I'm a theater kid all, every day.

• 11:32Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I can see it.

• 11:32Speaker 04

  Because, because it is and like, and, and I think all theater kids are kind of living for that moment, but I, it was just a very full circle moment because I really have loved her forever and.

• 11:46Drew Afualo?

  That's how I felt about meeting Beyonce. When I met her, that's how I felt, because she's been in my life and I'm also a hundred years older than you, Chris. I know you can't tell.

• 11:55Speaker 04

  Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. We're like one year apart, honey.

• 11:58Drew Afualo?

  No, we are not.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 12:00Drew Afualo?

  No, how old are you?

• 12:00Speaker 04

  Twenty-seven.

• 12:01Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I'm gonna be thirty. Okay, I'm three years older than you.

• 12:03Speaker 04

  Right, babe. Exactly. No, but, but did you get words out for Beyonce?

• 12:09Drew Afualo?

  Not enough.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  Well, and what could you, like, what did you say? Do you remember?

• 12:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, of course. I remember the entire thing. I feel like I'm the only person who remembers because like it was me, Brittany, Alicia and Delaney.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  Everyone else blacked out.

• 12:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah. And then all of Beyonce's team. And I remember, I remember when we went in and she introduced herself, she was like, "You look so good." And I said, "Ah, thank you so much Beyonce. Beyonce, that means a lot to me. Thank you. Thank you so much Beyonce. Beyonce knows how to thank you so much."

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Beyonce.

• 12:38Drew Afualo?

  I was so overwhelmed because I really did not think I was gonna meet her at all. Like, we kept saying, "There's no way. When I go in there, they're gonna pull a lever and a trap door is gonna open." And that would've been fine with me.

• 12:48Speaker 04

  Or it's gonna be an imposter.

• 12:49Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 12:50Speaker 04

  It's gonna be like a really good impersonator.

• 12:52Drew Afualo?

  Or they're gonna tell me to start serving again. I don't know.

• 12:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:54Drew Afualo?

  Right? And I was cool with it either way.

• 12:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, sure.

• 12:56Drew Afualo?

  But she was in there just waiting for us and then.

• 12:58Speaker 04

  That's fucked up.

• 12:59Drew Afualo?

  I know. And I, I talked a lot for Brittany because Brittany was really overwhelmed too. So I told Brittany, like, "Tell her you're from Houston. Like, you guys are from Houston. Tell her."

• 13:06Speaker 04

  Thank God for, thank God you had each other.

• 13:09Drew Afualo?

  I know. We think about it, we talk about it all the time. We're like, "Oh, thank God, I could've never done it alone." Like, and I was, and it was so random and everything, but that's how I felt. And I wish I got to tell her what I really wanted to tell her, which is when I was in college and Lemonade came out only on Tidal. I didn't have Tidal money. I was still listening to Pandora with ads. So I literally overdrafted my bank account so I could listen to Lemonade. Lemonade and I was in the red for a while.

• 13:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:34Drew Afualo?

  It's only like twenty five dollars.

• 13:36Speaker 04

  Right.

• 13:36Drew Afualo?

  Didn't matter. I had no money, but I did. And I was like, I would go in the red for you any day.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  Any fucking day.

• 13:41Drew Afualo?

  Any day. If you told me to kill myself in front of you, I would. That's what I wanted to say. I'm glad I didn't. But that's what I wanted to say.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  But you got some good words out.

• 13:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I just told her, I, I hope you're, you're just incredible. I've looked up to you my entire life. I never thought we would ever cross paths.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  It's so hard because like, just what do you say?

• 13:58Drew Afualo?

  Girl.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  To her, one that you feel like is maybe a little different than what other people have heard, but two, that like, feels as meaningful for you as it could, to have some meaning to say to her because Beyonce is a crazy one. Beyonce is a crazy one. I, I like half met her when we were at the, um, iHeart Awards with Meghan.

• 14:21Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 14:21Speaker 04

  And Meghan and I were walking down the hallway.

• 14:23Drew Afualo?

  Who we love. We both are sister wives of Meghan Trainor. Yeah.

• 14:27Speaker 04

  And I will defend her down.

• 14:29Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 14:29Speaker 04

  I'll defend her harder than I'll defend myself.

• 14:31Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  Someone can be like, you're fucking ugly and I wish you were dead. And I'll be like, okay. And then they'll be like, and Meghan too. And I'll.

• 14:39Drew Afualo?

  You said, send me an ad, send me an address immediately.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:41Drew Afualo?

  Drop your location immediately.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  I hate, it gets me more angry when people say shit about her.

• 14:46Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  Regardless of like what it is, because I'm like, y'all are fucking miserable. She makes little self-love bops. And.

• 14:54Drew Afualo?

  And you're mad.

• 14:56Speaker 04

  You're like.

• 14:58Drew Afualo?

  Why are you so fucking mad?

• 14:59Speaker 04

  Like she literally, she is the cutest kids in the world.

• 15:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  Makes some self-love bops and just wants to chill at home with her family.

• 15:07Drew Afualo?

  I have said this to everyone. I'm like, she's one of the nicest celebrities I've ever met.

• 15:11Speaker 04

  Truly the best.

• 15:11Drew Afualo?

  And she knows everyone.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, like immediately as a friend.

• 15:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  Like if we like called her, I know she's not home right now, but if she were home and we were like, hey, what are you doing? She'd be like, come over. To the boat, like she, she wants, she just loves, she loves people.

• 15:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And that's why she's been as famous as she's, as long as she's been famous.

• 15:29Speaker 04

  And she wants people to love people. She wants people, like that is why I hate when people are also like, all she does is make songs about the same thing. About loving yourself, bitch, because all of you hate yourself. And she keeps me like,

• 15:43Drew Afualo?

  And you hate me too.

• 15:43Speaker 04

  Hey, maybe what if you thought you were an icon? And y'all are like, wow, you should kill your dog.

• 15:49Drew Afualo?

  And also like, you don't need to listen to it.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  You don't.

• 15:52Drew Afualo?

  And when I went to her show, we went to the same show, her, her closing show. At the Forum, but we missed each other.

• 15:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:57Drew Afualo?

  We barely missed each other, but oh, well, you were clocked in. You were working, girl.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  I was working a little bit, sobbing on that stage.

• 16:03Drew Afualo?

  And I, I saw her. I know. It was so sweet.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 16:06Drew Afualo?

  We'll get into that. We'll talk about that. But um, when I, she asked me if I wanted to come, I was like, I would love to, but I'm, I'm hanging out with family and I, I know, I don't want to ask for too many tickets. She said, how many do you need? And I said, 10. And then she goes, perfect. And I go, well, shit.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  And I, I guarantee you too, if she had like hit the limit of like comps that night.

• 16:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:28Speaker 04

  She would just text her team back like, okay, how many do we need to buy? Like she would, she would have bought them for her own show for you.

• 16:35Drew Afualo?

  She's just that amazing. I know. And I, and I brought my whole fam, my fucking cavalry. I brought everybody. She let us all go backstage and then she took pictures with everyone. Like she's the night. And also I went on tour and you've been on tour. That shit is fucking hard.

• 16:50Speaker 04

  Hard, especially that was her last show.

• 16:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 04

  And then LA show.

• 16:54Drew Afualo?

  And that many pictures and stuff after the show, you're great. And she worked way harder than me on tour. I wasn't dancing and singing.

• 17:00Speaker 04

  She, she was getting, it was 90 minutes, no breaks.

• 17:03Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I was sitting like this for an hour and then I was like, oh, I'm exhausted.

• 17:08Speaker 04

  I know.

• 17:08Drew Afualo?

  When I got off the stage, she's dancing around, running everywhere and meeting a thousand people after. She's crazy.

• 17:13Speaker 04

  And she's always like that though, too. I remember really early on in our friendship, I was like, do you ever get tired of all of this? Like people are asking, even when we were at her house, like making some TikToks.

• 17:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:23Speaker 04

  Her managers or team are asking her questions or like asking her to get this thing done. Nonstop. It's like a full day and she's like, huh, no. Like she just kind of, she believes her music, which is like self-love and gratitude and loving life.

• 17:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:40Speaker 04

  Well, of course she gets insecure. People have been tearing her up for years about the craziest of things.

• 17:45Drew Afualo?

  From her early twenties till now.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, bass came out when she was like 19.

• 17:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:50Speaker 04

  And people. People continue to call her a one hit wonder when it's like, okay, and then you're singing the five other songs from the album after that that were amazing.

• 17:58Drew Afualo?

  Right. And then if you ever go to her house, which none of you will ever be lucky to, a lot of you won't be lucky to, but we have. And in one of her bathrooms, the entire, all of the walls are covered in every hit she's ever written for other fucking people.

• 18:11Speaker 04

  Yes, exactly.

• 18:12Drew Afualo?

  She's been working her ass off for years. I say that all the time. I'm like, I'm a Meghan Trainor stan until I die, bitch. I don't give a fuck.

• 18:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:17Drew Afualo?

  You know what's funny is a lot of some when people love her, like they love Meghan Trainor because she's a vocalist. Like that bitch is talented, like and she's a-

• 18:25Speaker 04

  Perfect pitch.

• 18:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 18:26Speaker 04

  Perfect pitch.

• 18:27Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying. She's unbelievably talented and so nice. I love her.

• 18:30Speaker 04

  And I've watched her build a song before. One, she can write a song in like 30 minutes.

• 18:35Drew Afualo?

  I believe it.

• 18:35Speaker 04

  She has a notes app full of words or phrases that are a song idea and she's like, oh, today is, um, I'll just use me too as the example.

• 18:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 18:45Speaker 04

  Today is, uh, if I would do, I would, I would want to be me too. And then, um, she just can put it together and not only like write it. She's layering her vocals. It's kind of like similar to the way there's a viral video of Ariana.

• 18:59Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I've seen it.

• 18:59Speaker 04

  Putting together all these, her vocals for positions.

• 19:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:02Speaker 04

  And they're obviously two very different artists and make different art, but they're both very similar with that kind of vocal work ethic.

• 19:09Drew Afualo?

  That talent.

• 19:09Speaker 04

  They know exactly how to cut their vocals and she has a computer in her recording studio to do it as, cause she's like, I know how to cut my vocals faster than anyone else. But people don't care to look into that process from her all, all the time. So they say, oh, her songs sound the same and she's annoying. And it's like, okay, great. She is still living-

• 19:29Drew Afualo?

  Observation. I appreciate that.

• 19:30Speaker 04

  She's still living in the most gorgeous house in the world with also a beautiful family who, and a husband who will die for her. She has more than most, like most people will ever have in her life and that's not based on money.

• 19:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, not her career at all.

• 19:44Speaker 04

  She has in her life and it's like, it really is beautiful. Um.

• 19:47Drew Afualo?

  And I like that your working relationship turned into a real relationship.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  Truly.

• 19:51Drew Afualo?

  I love that.

• 19:52Speaker 04

  Well, that's cause as we said, like from day one, I, when I pulled up to that house, her whole family was waiting on the front step for me. Hello. I was like, hello.

• 20:05Drew Afualo?

  I know I was really overwhelmed with how sweet and inviting all of them were in a wonderful way.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  Everyone.

• 20:12Drew Afualo?

  And when we did the music video, right, we were both in her music video, Made You Look.

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Yes. Shall we tell the story of what happened that day?

• 20:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I would love to. I would love to. You go first.

• 20:24Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. Okay, so Made You Look music video, supposed to be one day, supposed to be a one day shoot, gorgeous house on the hills.

• 20:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. You, me, Remy Vader, Jojo Siwa. Who else was there? Oh, I think there was a few other people.

• 20:36Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 20:37Drew Afualo?

  Obviously, Meghan, her whole family.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's someone I'm forgetting, but it was, it was like basically all her friends.

• 20:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  A lot of dancers, um, it like really, really fun concept.

• 20:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  We pull up to the house, one, as soon as we enter, I'm like, it's really hot in this house. And it's also during a heatwave in LA.

• 20:57Drew Afualo?

  Like, peak summer.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  I'm pretty sure it was about 110 degrees outside and in the house.

• 21:02Drew Afualo?

  150 inside.

• 21:04Speaker 04

  Yes, because they had the AC blasting broken.

• 21:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:07Speaker 04

  It was broken, so it was just fans, which ultimately I think were just like moving the hot air between all of us a little faster. And so we're all there just kind of sweating and we're like, wow, this is perfect.

• 21:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, this is so great. I'm having so much fun.

• 21:21Speaker 04

  But at the end of the day, it's a music video shoot. I think that was probably my first music video shoot I had ever been on. I don't know about you. And so I was like, okay, crazy, but like, I'm excited.

• 21:30Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 21:31Speaker 04

  You could tell Meghan was a little stressed, but like, I think on any shoot day, no matter how perfect, now that I've done a few music videos with her, even just being there, I'm like, yeah, a music video is stressful to do because usually you only have one or two days.

• 21:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  And this one was one day.

• 21:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:44Speaker 04

  And it's around the time that there was no like COVID flare up, but we were still doing testing.

• 21:50Drew Afualo?

  Just in case.

• 21:51Speaker 04

  At the start of every shoot.

• 21:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  And so everyone gets tested, but because it's not a flare up and everyone was testing negative, it was like, do your test and then head inside.

• 22:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 04

  And we'll just handle the rest of it out here. I'm inside talking with the girls. We're all hanging out. We're like, it's a little hot in here, but it's gorgeous. We're talk, talk, talking, yap, yap, yapping, breathing on each other.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  I get a call from one of Megan's managers. Hey Chris, can you come outside really quick? Oh my God, sure, I would love to. I would love to come outside. Go outside. Your test came back inconclusive and then they ran it again and it's positive. So it's probably a mistake. We're just gonna test you again. Mind you, it's my first music video shoot, so I'm like, oh my God, well, I want to be here. But got it. Also, I had seen Megan, I could tell she was stressed. I, so I go back out, then they swab me and they go, they like jam it up my nose and I'm like, gorgeous, wrong hole. And so they put it up, test it, five minutes later, it's positive. I just start bawling because I'm like, I was talking to everyone so closely.

• 22:59Drew Afualo?

  Breathing on Drew's family.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  Fucking super spreader. Oh my God, everyone's gonna die because of me. I'm like crying. Her, her manager who like, I was still relatively new in that relationship was like, it's okay, you're gonna be okay. Yeah, he's like,

• 23:15Drew Afualo?

  It's gonna be alright. Stand back.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 23:18Drew Afualo?

  It's gonna be alright.

• 23:19Speaker 04

  Scott, Scott Hoying from the Pentatonix is showing up right as I get this. And he's walking past and he's like, hi, are you, I'm like, stay away from me. I know how to kill you. I'm like literally sobbing. I, I have my mask on, I'm driving home. And then I get a call from Megan and like midway through the day. And she's like, are you okay? I just heard about everything. And I'm like, I'm so sorry, everyone, everything. She's like, bitch, no. Everything has already been ruined before you even hear. The AC isn't working, everyone is sweating so hard. And then the director just called me a diva and like stormed out or something like that.

• 23:54Drew Afualo?

  Well, you know what's crazy is when I was filming my scenes with Remy and all the other girls, like Megan was like, she's a very hands-on artist.

• 24:02Speaker 04

  She does it all.

• 24:03Drew Afualo?

  She's involved in every single aspect of it, which I love.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 24:05Drew Afualo?

  And she's like watching the playbacks and she's like, I don't like what that looks like. Like I want you to show them all individually. I want you to, and she takes the camera and she's panning it.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 24:14Drew Afualo?

  And she's going, this is how I want you to do it. And then she goes, also this poster is crooked. Can someone please move this?

• 24:18Speaker 04

  Right.

• 24:19Drew Afualo?

  And she's taking it down and she's moving, she's doing props, she's doing costumes.

• 24:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 24:23Drew Afualo?

  She's doing everything. And then she's doing direction, producing.

• 24:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:26Drew Afualo?

  And then at one point when she's, she goes, no, it's okay. I'll fucking do it. In this dress, I'll do it. If someone could help me, that'd be great.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  Because she's in like the tight, the skinnest dress.

• 24:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  And is the singer of the song.

• 24:37Drew Afualo?

  And that made me laugh when she said, no, it's fine. I'll fucking do it. It's okay. That made me laugh.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  Right.

• 24:41Drew Afualo?

  I laughed and that made other girls laugh.

• 24:44Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 24:44Drew Afualo?

  But the crew, which is mostly men, they were like annoyed at her.

• 24:48Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 24:48Drew Afualo?

  But I'm like, she's, it's her video.

• 24:50Speaker 04

  Also, we're all, like, everyone was fucking hot.

• 24:53Drew Afualo?

  And yeah, and it was, and she's like, it's also so hot in here and everything. And I text her after I left, after I finished my scene.

• 24:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:59Drew Afualo?

  I text her when I left, I said, hey, thank you so much, because I brought my whole family. Um, because we were going straight to the airport after, because I had to fly to Florida for work. So I was like, hey, I'm so sorry.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  Working bitch, yeah.

• 25:09Drew Afualo?

  It was her playlist live.

• 25:10Speaker 04

  Ah.

• 25:11Drew Afualo?

  Let's, we'll chill out.

• 25:12Speaker 04

  Ah, yes.

• 25:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And so like, I text her and she, she texts me back this long thing and she's like, I'm so sorry that like,

• 25:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 25:20Drew Afualo?

  it was so unorganized and it was so hot. I'm so sorry. And she was like, I've been crying about it. I just feel so embarrassed.

• 25:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:25Drew Afualo?

  And I felt so bad. And I told her, honestly, she goes, I'm sorry you saw me that way. And I told her, girl, I watched, I watched a celebrity who loves her shit and cares about people working.

• 25:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:36Drew Afualo?

  And being in hot conditions, she's trying to get everybody out. And I said, I saw her yelling at other, at grown men. I thought that shit was funny.

• 25:42Speaker 04

  That, you're like, that was my dream, actually.

• 25:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I told her, girl, I said, I've never had more respect for you in my life.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  I was horny in there. Like, that was perfect.

• 25:49Drew Afualo?

  I said, hey, you got a fan in me.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. And at, at the end of the day, like, we've seen videos of Beyonce directing her videos.

• 25:55Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:56Speaker 04

  Of so many.

• 25:57Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  Pop star, women in power.

• 25:59Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:00Speaker 04

  Doing these videos and like.

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• 26:37Speaker 04

  Being assertive.

• 26:38Drew Afualo?

  And I can't stress this enough, she was never rude.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  No.

• 26:40Drew Afualo?

  Never.

• 26:41Speaker 04

  Because she never has been.

• 26:42Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 26:42Speaker 04

  Like maybe in her entire life.

• 26:44Drew Afualo?

  No, she, I think of her the same way I think of you, which is I think you guys need to be ruder. I think you guys need to be meaner sometimes.

• 26:49Speaker 04

  And sometimes, and sometimes it's the truth. I tried being in a clapback era for a second and I ended up crying on the internet.

• 26:55Drew Afualo?

  I know, we're not all built for it.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  It's tough.

• 26:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 26:58Speaker 04

  If I could like get a little bit of you in me sometimes, I would be like, okay, maybe I can manifest that energy, but I really don't have it in me, which I think like, I think sometimes people, when they're antagonizing me, wish I did a little bit. Like they want me to get mad.

• 27:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:14Speaker 04

  But at the end of the day, I'm a crier.

• 27:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Well, that's probably why, because they're like, they're like, well now you're making me feel bad.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 27:20Drew Afualo?

  For being mean to you.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, I didn't.

• 27:22Drew Afualo?

  Well, now you ruined it.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  I didn't think you were gonna see this. Oh, man. Okay, I'm sorry. Like, fuck.

• 27:28Drew Afualo?

  Well, speaking of Meghan, let's talk about tour. I would love to hear about how it was on tour with Meghan and your tour. Let's hear about it.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  She's done her research.

• 27:36Drew Afualo?

  Of course I have.

• 27:37Speaker 04

  I'm going on tour.

• 27:38Drew Afualo?

  I know all about Club Chris. Are you kidding me?

• 27:40Speaker 04

  Period.

• 27:41Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 27:41Speaker 04

  Um, you have to come to the tour. You must. Please.

• 27:44Drew Afualo?

  And I've given Ryan dating advice.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  10 tickets?

• 27:46Drew Afualo?

  10 tickets. Put me down for 10.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  I'll get them all. I'll get them all.

• 27:48Drew Afualo?

  Me plus 10.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  Ryan dating advice. Well, it worked. He has a girlfriend. We're so happy.

• 27:53Drew Afualo?

  I know. Oh my God, you're so welcome, Ryan Trainer. You're so welcome.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 27:56Drew Afualo?

  Just kidding, it had nothing to do with it. You're welcome, Ryan.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  I know, I love her.

• 28:01Speaker 04

  No, I do. I do. It's a running joke. It's like, oh, she sucks. No, she's great. Whatever her name is. Ryan is the best. I can't wait to go on tour with him, but going on tour with Meghan is the only reason I feel like I could do a tour on my own at all.

• 28:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 28:16Speaker 04

  And it really wasn't, it's a lot, the criticism I see of the tour is people being like, oh, well, he's just using this now that he is Club Chris and he's gonna make a lot of money. I need people to figure out the economics of what going on a tour is.

• 28:30Drew Afualo?

  Girl, there, there is no money to be made.

• 28:32Speaker 04

  No, unless you're Taylor Swift. Exactly.

• 28:35Drew Afualo?

  Or you're Beyonce.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  Unless you're Taylor, Beyonce, Ariana, Harry. We're not making up money on these tours.

• 28:39Drew Afualo?

  Oh, no, girl, we're in the red most times.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  Right, exactly. You do it because you love what you do.

• 28:44Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  And because you want to meet people in other parts of the country.

• 28:47Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  I am doing this because I love it and because Live Nation was like, we think we can scrape together $20 for this if you want to put on a tour. I was like, oh, okay. Well, I guess I can do that.

• 28:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 28:57Speaker 04

  Every time I've pitched an idea, the feedback is like, well, how can we do that like in a cheaper way? And that's fine because to Live Nation's credit, they need to try to be profitable. They need to try to make money from this, even if I'm not going to.

• 29:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 29:12Speaker 04

  But going on tour with Meghan was one of the craziest experiences in my life because I thought when she like offered it to me that it was a joke. Or she, the girl wants people to win all the time.

• 29:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  So I thought she was just kind of like, I want you to go on tour with me. And then her team is going to come in the room later and be like, oh, yeah, you know, she's just saying that.

• 29:33Drew Afualo?

  She's talking crazy.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  You want to sing up there, you little bottom? And I do, and I did. And it was really, really fun, but a really, I kind of timed out my internet breakdown really well around all of this. Because I had it right before tour rehearsals began.

• 29:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  And so I took a break for all of tour rehearsals. And I think that was really helpful because I was locked in at tour rehearsals.

• 29:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 30:00Speaker 04

  Because I was like, I'm done with, like, okay, if people are going to hate me every time I show my face on here, let me not for a while. Because at the end of the day, I'm not going to back out of this tour. This is what I wanted to do. I've wanted to perform my entire life. I've been performing my whole life. I went to school for theater.

• 30:15Drew Afualo?

  And that's who you are. You're, you're a theater kid at heart.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 30:17Drew Afualo?

  That's who you are.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  Yes, baby.

• 30:18Drew Afualo?

  You and Dylan.

• 30:18Speaker 04

  I'm.

• 30:19Drew Afualo?

  That's why you and Dylan are so close.

• 30:20Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 30:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 30:21Speaker 04

  Exactly. I'm ready to get up there and sing some, and sing part of your world. Like, that's what I was doing every night. It was like singing some Disney shit. And so I, the rehearsal process was really hard, but it was really good that I was taking a break because I spent so much. Time, I would stay for most of Meghan's rehearsal.

• 30:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 30:39Speaker 04

  And then they were able to fit me in every day, like if she, which is another thing she did not have to do. Openers for your tour rehearse completely separately than you.

• 30:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  And it's like my job to put together the rehearsals, to put together the budget, the money, the sound people. I have to bring on an entire new team.

• 30:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 31:00Speaker 04

  But she gave me hers.

• 31:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 31:02Speaker 04

  She said, she said, these are the people you're gonna be able to work with for sound. This is the person like running your in ears. This is the person who's gonna be out doing front of house sound and like, here are the rehearsal times we can fit you in.

• 31:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 31:14Speaker 04

  Which, as I started going through the rehearsal process and realizing what normally happens, I was like, just so unbelievably grateful for her because she gave me resources that I would have never, never been able to have access to.

• 31:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  To do this shit and doing a month of rehearsals was really helpful. And then I, I got out there and did the first one and my video glitched on the first one. But that was a really fun thing I did too. I created these videos for the tour that I feel like, that is what I wanna do for mine as well, to kind of create some sort of narrative around the tour. Because at the end of the day, I have a theater degree. Like, I wanna put on a show.

• 31:52Drew Afualo?

  Yes, pageantry.

• 31:54Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. Which, I mean, a lot of people wanna like love throwing out the no talent thing. And I'm like, okay, whether you believe that or not, whatever, but like, I went to, I went to theater boarding school. I went to theater camp when I-

• 32:07Drew Afualo?

  Rich, I'm in the trenches. You have no idea.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  I started doing theater camp from age 10 on theater boarding school and then I got my BFA in musical theater. Whether I have talent or not, I have worked at this shit. I have been-

• 32:20Drew Afualo?

  I have a skill set.

• 32:21Speaker 04

  I have been rolling on the floor, making animal sounds in acting class for my whole life. Like, that's the shit we have to do. If you think what I do now is cringy, you should have seen me in an acting class back in the day. I'm like mooing to try to get in touch with my character. Like, what the fuck do you think this is? But I think that's helped me out a lot because I, that's what makes me not cringe at myself very often.

• 32:42Drew Afualo?

  To not, to be cringe is to be free, in my opinion.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 32:45Drew Afualo?

  And cringe is so subjective. Especially with Gen Z, they think everything's

• 32:48Speaker 04

  Everything.

• 32:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, every fucking thing is cringe.

• 32:50Speaker 04

  Like, we could go on about the mental illness that Gen Z and Gen Alpha, my god, I pray for you every day of my life. Those young kids, they're cooked.

• 32:59Drew Afualo?

  And also, I will say really quick to the, to the no talent thing, whenever that happens, I always think, I'm like, it requires something to sustain an audience.

• 33:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 33:09Drew Afualo?

  To, to sustain attention and, and some sort of spotlight, especially now as influencers, like, because it's such a saturated market, everybody could be an influencer. A lot of people think they are influencers by any stretch. To do this shit you do and the shit I do, no talent?

• 33:26Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 33:27Drew Afualo?

  I disagree.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  Like, the life of a social media person is so, like, one year is like a decade in social media time.

• 33:36Drew Afualo?

  And can make or break how long you last.

• 33:38Speaker 04

  A hundred percent. The fact that we've both been able to sustain something for like, I mean, anyone, I, I say this about Trisha Paytas all the time.

• 33:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  The fact that anyone has been able to sustain some sort of

• 33:49Drew Afualo?

  Attention for that long.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  Attention and career online for years at a time is impressive in itself.

• 33:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  Whatever you want to say about the Kardashians, we all know who they are, and we all consistently consume their content whether we want to or not.

• 34:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 34:02Speaker 04

  And like, that, that is, there is a talent there.

• 34:04Drew Afualo?

  There's a skill in there somewhere.

• 34:05Speaker 04

  There is a skill. Like, they've figured something out.

• 34:07Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 34:08Speaker 04

  So, doing tour with Meghan was, was really, really fun. I, I had such a good time doing it.

• 34:14Drew Afualo?

  That's great.

• 34:14Speaker 04

  After the MSG show, I think, was when Live Nation, like, formally offered me to do my own one.

• 34:20Drew Afualo?

  Oh, nice.

• 34:21Speaker 04

  And I was like, okay, I mean, yeah, I'm down to, of course, I would want to do something like that.

• 34:26Drew Afualo?

  And they have to believe that it will work out. Like, they're, financially for them, it has to make sense for them to offer it. Especially when you're not even halfway through, like, at that point, yeah.

• 34:35Speaker 04

  Especially when you've never done, one, I don't have a live podcast even, and I've never done any other tour other than this one.

• 34:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  I, I haven't really done anything just standing on my own behind that. And so, they, they saw something that I had to believe that they believed in. And so, I said yes, and then they gave me the routing of it, and I'm Like that, the routing of like all of the different dates I was gonna do in the venues. And it became very real. And now I'm like really putting it together. And I think it's gonna be like, I thankfully with the last one surprised myself with what I was able to put together.

• 35:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 35:13Speaker 04

  Cause it's hard shit. Like when you're told, you can do whatever you want. That's lovely. But it's also, you can do whatever you want as cheap as possible.

• 35:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  And you're not being given any guidelines. You have to come up with that yourself. And it's really tough when you don't have a music catalog or a podcast to try to think of like, okay, what the fuck am I supposed to do? And so I've hit up friends who are rangers. I, I, um, arrangers, music arrangers, not rangers.

• 35:40Drew Afualo?

  Army Rangers?

• 35:42Speaker 04

  Park rangers? Ready to, get ready to protect me up there. No, I've, I've hit up my friends who know how to arrange music. I've hit up my friends who know how to orchestrate music. Um, I've been back in voice lessons. I'm working with my friend. It's really, it's like, I'm returning back to theater school, really. And I'm like getting back into writing to put together these videos. And then I have to hit up like where I have to hit up an entire team to put together a producer and someone who can help film all these videos. And then to put together these videos, that's out of pocket. Like I'm paying it, I'm paying for it myself.

• 36:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  And maybe we make back some money on merch, but I am doing it because I wanna do it and because I want people to have fun.

• 36:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And you don't wanna skimp out on quality.

• 36:25Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 36:26Drew Afualo?

  Cause you're providing an experience.

• 36:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. And there's already a few shows that have sold out. So the people will be there.

• 36:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 04

  And, and these things sold out without them knowing anything about what this show will be.

• 36:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  That's people truly just believing in me and what the show can be. So they deserve the best show that I could ever give them.

• 36:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 36:44Speaker 04

  And so that's what I'm gonna do.

• 36:46Drew Afualo?

  I'm so excited for you. And Ryan, I guess.

• 36:49Speaker 04

  Oh, and him. Oh, my God, and he's gonna be there. That's the last I heard was he'll still be coming on.

• 36:56Drew Afualo?

  I'll be there regardless. I don't know about him, but I'll be there.

• 36:59Speaker 04

  We're gonna be there together, and that's gonna be very fun, but I'm having a really good time putting it together. But I wouldn't be able to do so much of this without, like, the people like Megan in my life.

• 37:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:09Speaker 04

  And also, my friend group. I think a lot of the time, people think that I go through some of the shit that I do alone, because a lot of the time I am like standing behind the camera by myself and trying to fight back on my own.

• 37:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:24Speaker 04

  I have some of the best friends in the world, and also, almost all of them have been in my life for years.

• 37:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, well before this.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  Well before any of this stuff happened, and they know me, and what they think of me is all that really matters to me.

• 37:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's what you kind of have to start telling yourself too, when it starts overwhelming you like that.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 37:42Drew Afualo?

  And I've said before too, that like, even someone like myself is not impervious to that feeling of like, you start questioning whether or not you really are a good person.

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 37:51Drew Afualo?

  And it's like, and I, even someone like myself was struggling, which is why I took my break, because I was like, I don't like being talked about as if I'm not a real person, and I don't like being discussed as if I'm an idea.

• 38:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 38:03Drew Afualo?

  And I need to, I need to re-center where my validation comes from. It needs to come from me.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:09Drew Afualo?

  And the people that love me and care about me, like, and I was saying, this is taking so much, like, that type of shit takes so much from you.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 38:15Drew Afualo?

  You feel like you're not really showing up in real life with people who know you for real.

• 38:18Speaker 04

  Right.

• 38:19Drew Afualo?

  And love you for real.

• 38:19Speaker 04

  You start questioning.

• 38:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, everything about yourself.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  If you see so many people saying something about you.

• 38:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 38:25Speaker 04

  Human nature is to be like, well, there must be some truth in that.

• 38:28Drew Afualo?

  I know, I agree.

• 38:28Speaker 04

  If everyone is thinking that.

• 38:29Drew Afualo?

  At some point, you start to think that.

• 38:31Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 38:32Drew Afualo?

  Unless you're insane or a bad person.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  And I, I made this connection literally yesterday in therapy. I developed the worst health anxiety of my life this year. Always thinking I'm gonna die, thinking like, I'm gonna have a heart attack, thinking there's something physically wrong. And I was never like that before. I was never much of a hypochondriac. And she was like, do you think it's because people were making up all of these false ideas about you on the internet, that you started making up things about yourself? And started thinking, something must be wrong, because if all of these people see something that I don't see.

• 39:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 04

  Then maybe I'm missing a lot of things internally too.

• 39:08Drew Afualo?

  Damn.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know.

• 39:09Drew Afualo?

  My therapist reads me like that too.

• 39:13Drew Afualo?

  When my therapist reads me like that, I say, Savannah, slow down.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, hold on, babe. Hold on, babe. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 39:19Drew Afualo?

  Whose side are you on?

• 39:20Speaker 04

  Ow, ow. Oh, my God. What's that?

• 39:23Drew Afualo?

  And on the flip side, when I make my therapist laugh, I'm like, got him.

• 39:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:27Drew Afualo?

  Anyways, what was I saying?

• 39:28Speaker 04

  So success. So successful.

• 39:30Drew Afualo?

  So am I your funniest client?

• 39:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. So you love me the most, right? Out of all of them, but I'd leave you.

• 39:36Drew Afualo?

  You look forward to your sessions with me though, right?

• 39:38Speaker 04

  You miss me last time? The other ones were boring. How do you possibly talk to anyone else? I really think about that too, though. Like, I do Zoom therapy and my therapist, I'm like, you're sitting in this chair like for hours a day. I'm just one hour of this day.

• 39:54Drew Afualo?

  Right. I think that.

• 39:55Speaker 04

  How are you, babe? Like, are you okay talking to everyone else? Because like you want to, you just want to kiki with me, right?

• 40:01Drew Afualo?

  Right. This is fun time for you.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  This is fun. This is what we're enjoying. But yeah, I, this past.

• 40:07Drew Afualo?

  You've, you're having a lot of revelations.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  So many revelations.

• 40:10Drew Afualo?

  Which is a good thing.

• 40:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:11Drew Afualo?

  I'm happy for you.

• 40:12Speaker 04

  I cry on the internet all the time, but la- last year was something different. I was like, I mean, that was like, it was guttural. I wasn't even taking pictures of myself every time I cried, which is how you know it's bad. If I'm not making content out of it.

• 40:24Drew Afualo?

  You know it's bad.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  Something's wrong. Something's wrong with him.

• 40:27Drew Afualo?

  Check on him.

• 40:27Speaker 04

  Ooh, wait, he didn't post a video. But I was, I, I had never felt like I was gonna lose touch with reality more or go crazy as much as I did last year. I was really, really actually convinced I was gonna die. And not from a point of like, I'm gonna do something harmful.

• 40:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  But the, it felt like my world was caving in so often to the point that every morning I was waking up and would feel my heart racing before I even checked my phone, before anything was going on. Because I, there's nothing that can prepare you to wake up and see people want to tear you apart.

• 41:08Drew Afualo?

  And like having fun doing it.

• 41:10Speaker 04

  And having fun and literally finding community in that. Which is kind of the scariest part is seeing people

• 41:16Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 41:18Speaker 04

  join together to want to hate you.

• 41:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  And my question always, like internally, is what is the end goal of this?

• 41:25Drew Afualo?

  I say that all the time.

• 41:27Speaker 04

  Because I really do think. You're not gonna feel bad until I am dead.

• 41:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 41:33Speaker 04

  Which I think is why I was fearing that I was gonna die so much because I was like, oh my god, no one's gonna be happy until that happens.

• 41:40Drew Afualo?

  It's like these things are running parallel.

• 41:43Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:43Drew Afualo?

  And then you're, even though they are interconnected and they are caused by each other, like,

• 41:48Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 41:48Drew Afualo?

  you're not linking them together.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:50Drew Afualo?

  So you're just existing in this weird in-between where you're like, everybody hates me here. I also feel like I'm dying personally. And then it, for some reason, you're not connecting the two. And I felt the same way too, last year, obviously end of last year, but the year before especially.

• 42:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:06Drew Afualo?

  Um, at the end of the year, like, I, I've never talked about this publicly either. I've only told friends. But like, I was so sick, like, all the time. I wasn't sleeping and I never, I have sleep paralysis, but it's only hit me a couple times. And every time it did hit me, it was when something horrible was happening in my life.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  Terrifying.

• 42:22Drew Afualo?

  So like, I had that twice that year, which I've never had to.

• 42:26Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 42:27Drew Afualo?

  Concurrently, they were like a week apart, which was horrifying and scary. And then I stopped sleeping. So I was like an insomniac. And then I stopped eating because I'm so tired, I'm not hungry. And then my fiance got so worried about me that he started buying protein shakes all the time. And he was like forcing me to drink them. Like, he's like, please drink these, like, because I was losing so much weight.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  Right.

• 42:45Drew Afualo?

  And so when all of this is happening, and then you're still like, hey guys, I'm so happy to be here with you. Like, it's, it makes you feel like such a not real person. Like, you feel like,

• 42:56Speaker 04

  Not real at all.

• 42:56Drew Afualo?

  Like, I'm only real when I'm here in front of cameras. And then personally, I don't matter, nothing matters. Like, this doesn't matter. And then, at the same time, you start feeling ungrateful. Because you have this life you could have never dreamed of, and you're doing things you've always wanted to do. But at the same time, it's making you miserable. So you're like, I don't know, it just feels like this, like you're holding something that's making you sick and you can't let it go.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:19Drew Afualo?

  I don't know how to explain it.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  They want to take it away from you.

• 43:21Drew Afualo?

  I know. And then do what? Like you said, what's the goal?

• 43:24Speaker 04

  Right, because you're, as you said before, you're not gonna replace me.

• 43:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 43:29Speaker 04

  Like, if, if you take this away from me, you're not gonna get put in my spot.

• 43:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  So what is the goal?

• 43:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 43:35Speaker 04

  Because a lot of the time, the comments are like, I just wanna never see him again. There are options for you to do that. There are ways.

• 43:42Drew Afualo?

  Please.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  There are so, there are so many. Tools that social media gives you to never see me again.

• 43:50Drew Afualo?

  If that's what you want.

• 43:51Speaker 04

  Using it and you're not using it. It was this, the weirdest trend for people to comment about how they blocked me last year and, but they wouldn't have because I was always seeing the comments.

• 44:02Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Click on their page and it would say follow back.

• 44:04Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  What? I, this, I just don't understand. And it's so crazy that you bring up sleep paralysis and insomnia. I had never experienced sleep paralysis in my life.

• 44:14Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 44:14Speaker 04

  Until last year and I experienced it twice.

• 44:17Drew Afualo?

  Isn't it horrifying?

• 44:18Speaker 04

  Horrifying.

• 44:19Drew Afualo?

  It's the worst feeling in the world.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  And the first time I ever, ever experienced it, which the first time experiencing it at 26 and not really knowing what's happening.

• 44:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  I'm like mentally trying to like kick my legs.

• 44:29Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 44:30Speaker 04

  Can't, and like only one eye was opening and I was like trying to force the other one open and trying to scream.

• 44:36Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 44:36Speaker 04

  And it's like, then those things happen and physically you're feeling weird as fuck.

• 44:40Drew Afualo?

  And awful, yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 04

  You go online to a place that once made you happy.

• 44:44Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 44:44Speaker 04

  And once made you, helped you escape from the already terrifying world that we live in.

• 44:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 44:49Speaker 04

  And then you get on there and you scroll and the first video that your for you page shows you is how much someone hates you or how ugly you are.

• 44:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 44:57Speaker 04

  Or how annoying you are or picking apart ways they can try to find that you're problematic.

• 45:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 45:03Speaker 04

  And there's no escape then.

• 45:05Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 45:05Speaker 04

  Because you're sitting in your body and you feel uncomfortable because you haven't slept in a week.

• 45:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  And then you go online to try to escape, which most people have the privilege of doing.

• 45:13Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 45:13Speaker 04

  And you can't because it's people wanting you to feel horrible.

• 45:16Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 45:17Speaker 04

  And none of this is to say that we're ungrateful or that we hate our jobs or that we're living a harder life than anyone else. There are so many people who are going through it at the same time. But it's just to say that like there becomes no escape.

• 45:29Drew Afualo?

  And I say all the time too, I'm always like anytime, you know, when people want to talk about boundaries, like public people, celebrities, influencers, whatever you want to call them.

• 45:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 45:38Drew Afualo?

  When they want to talk about boundaries, when they want to talk about like how hard it is to be public and be known publicly.

• 45:43Speaker 04

  Right.

• 45:44Drew Afualo?

  Um, there's always this aura of like, oh, you're so fucking ungrateful. Like, oh, that's not the hardest job in the world. Nobody said it was. In fact, I, I was so, I always say, I was so aggressively normal. I did not get this till I was in my mid twenties. I've worked a lot of normal ass jobs. I know that this is not the hardest job in the world. But I always tell people though is this job comes with no guidance. There is no handbook. There's no like, this is how to deal with hate. This is how to deal with when people tell you to kill yourself. This is how to deal with getting docs. This is not, nobody tells you how to deal with that shit.

• 46:13Speaker 04

  No.

• 46:14Drew Afualo?

  You just find out. And like when Ravina was on my show, she said that she heard from someone that it was described as like a trauma you learn to live with, which is when you become a public person, which is like, obviously we want to do it. We're still doing it, but we should, there should be a world in which both can be true.

• 46:31Speaker 04

  Right.

• 46:31Drew Afualo?

  This is not the hardest job in the world. And on top of that, it comes with problems that could, you could never train for.

• 46:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 46:37Drew Afualo?

  I could be in the most intense, I could be at West Point bitch.

• 46:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:41Drew Afualo?

  And it would never teach me how to fucking do this. Like I've never in a million years.

• 46:45Speaker 04

  My rehab that I went to was known at the time as like the meanest rehab in the country. And they've since had to change their entire um philosophy because people were suing them for abuse.

• 46:58Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god.

• 46:59Speaker 04

  They would lock you out of your apartment um all day, or they would like force you. You would be put on this thing called reverse campus arrest, which means you could not go back to your room or your bed.

• 47:13Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god.

• 47:13Speaker 04

  Until you made up or showed like remorse for what you did. I mean, a lot of the time those things were only done if you like broke a big rule, but that meant you were to find a bed.

• 47:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:24Speaker 04

  Which ultimately puts you in a crazy situation in South Florida.

• 47:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  Finding a bed. And like, there were just many times that we were put in these like just chaotic situations. And a lot of the time, part of the philosophy was like, we're putting you some through some of these worst moments of your life that you now have to go through sober. So whenever you go out back into the world and you experience high levels of stress, you'll know that you got through this part sober, so you'll be okay. But that shit still didn't prepare me for this.

• 47:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  And I'm with the same therapist that I was there and she's obviously a lot nicer now. But she, she has, she has said the same thing. Like nothing could really prepare you to go through something like this.

• 48:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. My therapist has said the same.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  Right. And also, when I was a busboy in Florida for a year after rehab, no one was telling me, yeah, well, you should just be grateful you have a job. Or yeah, well, you should be grateful that we put you in this position. And that's one of the big differences of where we are now.

• 48:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:22Speaker 04

  Is. Like, people were making me cry as a busboy. The bosses were mean as shit.

• 48:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:27Speaker 04

  But I could go home and say, my job fucking sucks. And I could say that to anyone and they would be like, "Bro, I get it."

• 48:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  But here, if we're saying the job sucks, it's like, well, you have more than I ever would. And I'm like, right. And I'm so unbelievably grateful for that. And that's one thing my therapist asks me a lot of the time when I'm going through it is like, "Do you want to give up what you have to not get the hate anymore?" And she asks that honestly. She's like, "Because if that, if the hate is becoming too much to the point that you want to give up the good things that have come from this, then we need to stop."

• 49:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:00Speaker 04

  Doing this.

• 49:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:01Speaker 04

  Because we have obviously gotten to a point where you are hurting way more than you're thriving.

• 49:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:07Speaker 04

  Than you're loving it. And every single time, even at the worst moments, I've been like, no.

• 49:13Drew Afualo?

  It's not worth it.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  And also, the friends I've made, the things I'm able to do and the freedom I'm able to have is so much more worth it.

• 49:21Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 49:22Speaker 04

  Than succumbing to someone telling me to get off the internet just because they hate me or they think I'm ugly.

• 49:28Drew Afualo?

  I agree. I agree. And I always leverage to that, like, I tell my audiences all the time. I'm like, "In those moments, when they do happen for me, where I'm like, man, this doesn't feel worth it to me right now." Like, when it's really, really bad, I always think about the testimonies I have gotten from people who do love me and do care about me as a person and a creator, like, that are fans of mine and shit they've told me over the years, DM'd me, commented. Like, I always tell them, I cling to those.

• 49:58Speaker 04

  Cling.

• 49:59Drew Afualo?

  In those moments, I desperately hold them. I'm like, it's all worth it. It's all worth it. It's all worth it. Like, I constantly, and you know what's funny is, recently, I got to move my grandfather into another home, like, a brand new one. And my grandfather has lived in the same house for 50 fucking years. My grandpa has moved. And when I saw my grandpa in that new house, bitch, when I saw him walking around, I said, "Yeah, it's worth it."

• 50:22Speaker 04

  Always, always.

• 50:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you know what? This shit's fucking worth it.

• 50:25Speaker 04

  Let me actually read some comments right now.

• 50:26Drew Afualo?

  When I saw my grandpa, like, looking at air conditioning and being like, "Oh, my God, like, look how big these rooms are." When I watched that shit. I said, yeah, it's fucking worth it. Yeah, no, for sure. It is.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  It is 100% worth it.

• 50:37Drew Afualo?

  When I retired my parents, same thing.

• 50:39Speaker 04

  I'll take, I will take any of this for what I'm able to give.

• 50:42Drew Afualo?

  You love your family too.

• 50:43Speaker 04

  Love, love, love.

• 50:44Drew Afualo?

  I know. I love your post about your dad. When you take your dad to like

• 50:47Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 50:48Drew Afualo?

  concerts and stuff.

• 50:49Speaker 04

  And he actually, he came for his 60th birthday. No, truly, start crying, which I do want to like, one aside from everything that we're talking about is there still are, even though we have done little interludes of saying we're grateful, there are still going to be people who listen to this episode and say, we got on here and complained about our lives for an hour. And to that, missing the point is all I want to say.

• 51:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're the person I'm talking about, what I'm talking about.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  Right, right. Like, and also, one part of this too, is I want everyone to be able to have success in their lives. There is not, I don't look even at the people who are being really mean and think like, well, I hope you fail. Maybe sometimes, but for the most part, I'm like, I wish, if you're, at least if that's a thing, I wish for you to find success.

• 51:36Drew Afualo?

  Oh, girl, I talk about all the time. I said, there's more than enough room.

• 51:39Speaker 04

  Like, 100%.

• 51:39Drew Afualo?

  If you have something special, you'll get it too. I'm sure you will. And I, and I hope that no one treats you the way they treat us.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  I hope no one says to you.

• 51:48Drew Afualo?

  I really don't.

• 51:49Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 51:49Drew Afualo?

  It's awful. I wouldn't wish it on anybody if I'm being real.

• 51:52Speaker 04

  Right.

• 51:52Drew Afualo?

  Even the person I hate the most in the world, I wouldn't wish this on them. It's awful.

• 51:56Speaker 04

  No.

• 51:56Drew Afualo?

  I never would.

• 51:57Speaker 04

  Even the people who are giving it to us. Because I, I think it's a

• 52:01Drew Afualo?

  You couldn't, you couldn't weather it.

• 52:01Speaker 04

  Very clear sign of weakness.

• 52:03Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Because you can only throw it at me.

• 52:05Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  And, and if that's what you're doing, I can't imagine what would happen if it was being thrown back at you.

• 52:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  I mean, the sad part is probably sometimes it was

• 52:13Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  at some point. And so you're projecting it onto me. But what I do want to say back to the dad and my family is like, I brought him to, he is like an OG Swifty, fearless era Swifty. He got me into Taylor Swift.

• 52:26Drew Afualo?

  My kind of guy.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Truly, truly, still a straight man, very secure and all that. Like, he is an OG Swifty, would put on Fearless when we were in the car.

• 52:37Speaker 04

  Gave me like a Speak Now vinyl, the original for like Christmas one year.

• 52:42Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 52:42Speaker 04

  And, um, So for his 60th birthday, I brought him to the Eris tour in Paris because he loves tortured poets. But the day he flew there was the day, one of the days that people were trying to take me down on the internet in like a really big way. And so he arrives and I'm with one of my friends who was actually my roommate when I had an intervention and she was part of the intervention and sent me to rehab. So we're locked in. Basically, yeah, we're locked in and she's always going to be there for me and is able to hand like hold any space. We hold the space for each other, divine gravity. And when my dad arrived, I didn't want to suddenly just start sobbing and be like, everything is horrible.

• 53:24Speaker 04

  Because this was his birthday trip and he has done so much for me in all of the years. Like I, he went through hell with me when I was a teenager. There were multiple times he had to carry me home, blacked out and like get me in the shower. And I've stolen alcohol from him. I've treated him like shit. I've yelled at him like I want, my entire sober life has been about trying to like make it back, make it up to my parents. Because of what I put them through for those chaotic years. And so when he got there, even though this craziness was happening online, I didn't want to make it about that. And so I was really trying to hold it together. But we all went out to dinner. It was me and my stepmom and my friend who sent me to rehab.

• 54:08Speaker 04

  And we were walking to dinner and when I was growing up, every Sunday, my family would take us to church. And then we would walk to dinner afterwards as a family. And we would only do that during the warmer months. I grew up in DC and it was very nice in Paris at that time. It was like one of the random times, it was very sunny and gorgeous. We were walking to dinner. My dad just like puts his arm around me and is like, oh God.

• 54:34Drew Afualo?

  Oh, you're gonna cry, it's okay.

• 54:36Speaker 04

  And it's just like, how are you doing? Because he was like seeing all of that stuff. And it just immediately reminded me of like those moments when I was like, when we were walking together as a family growing up.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  Because that has, that's the hardest part about receiving all of this.

• 54:53Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  Sometimes when we're growing, when at the age we are now is like, it's not really us that's hurting. It's like the little kid in us.

• 55:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 55:01Speaker 04

  Who just wanted to be seen and just wanted to create content for fun.

• 55:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 55:06Speaker 04

  And that is who I feel like is being attacked a lot of the time, even though it is me now. And so when he put his arm around me, I just started sobbing immediately in Paris. But then we went out to dinner and then I took him to the show. I paid for the entire trip. He has, he, he never flies himself like business or first class. And I, I was able to do that for him too.

• 55:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 55:28Speaker 04

  And I was just like, if I have to receive all of this this weekend, but it means he can still have this trip and enjoy it with me. That's what matters to me.

• 55:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're so me.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  Like.

• 55:37Drew Afualo?

  You're so fucking me.

• 55:38Speaker 04

  That, that a hundred percent.

• 55:39Drew Afualo?

  That's all you can hold on to at that point.

• 55:41Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 55:42Drew Afualo?

  Like I, I, I've, and I've had so many moments like that over the years where I've been like, man, this shit's not worth it. Like it's like, it's, it, it really is so overwhelming. And I, I always say this too, and my, I told this to my therapist and she was like, that's actually very true. That's a good way of reframing. I told her like, that I know bad people don't sit around wondering if they're bad people. And so like, we constantly sit around and wonder, are we actually bad people? Like, like what you were saying earlier, does any of this hold merit if all these people are saying the same things? And when you start questioning it, it's because you're a good person. And it's like, when you're in the eye of the storm, it doesn't feel like that.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  No.

• 56:20Drew Afualo?

  But when, but it's because you're a good person, you care. And because you care, it bothers you. And so like, you want to fix it or you want to do something to fix it or whatever, right? And as public people, we can only do so much.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:32Drew Afualo?

  And, and even then we could do the most. And like you said, some people will still refuse to, um.

• 56:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 56:38Drew Afualo?

  To see it or to see us.

• 56:39Speaker 04

  Right.

• 56:40Drew Afualo?

  And I feel like I've had so many moments over the years where I've been like. Yeah, like if it if if that's what it takes like to be able to do this for my family, it's worth it to me. Like I'll eat I'll eat it a thousand times over. I don't give a fuck like when I I retired my parents. I like when I got I got my parents new car like when I

• 57:00Speaker 04

  That's crazy.

• 57:01Drew Afualo?

  I retired my uncle who's older than my dad. My dad's fifty and he's older than my dad and I retired him from his job. He had for like twenty five years.

• 57:08Speaker 04

  Right. Anyone being able to do that with any job is crazy.

• 57:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and getting to do those things for my family because of what I've always wanted, like making making content, making art, making whatever we want, like kind of basically like being silly for a living and like showing being brave enough to put ourselves out there so people could connect with us. I'm like, you know what? It's I'll take it a thousand times, a thousand times over because we're so family oriented, you and I.

• 57:35Speaker 04

  Yes. Yeah. And also friends. Like I love doing things for my friends. I spend way more money on my friends than I would ever spend on myself.

• 57:43Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 57:44Speaker 04

  I love I love taking a friend on a shopping trip. I love taking a friend on a trip anywhere. Like, I mean, that that's what's fun about all of this. Yeah, sure. I can like get myself a nice thing or I can I can be bi-coastal. I can like I could travel on my own, but like I want to do this for my friends.

• 58:03Drew Afualo?

  Right. Like that's I'm a real like when I eat the whole team eats like that's how I feel.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  Are sitting at the table.

• 58:08Drew Afualo?

  We're all sitting and we're enjoying it together.

• 58:10Speaker 04

  I didn't I like took I flew for it was one of my best friend's birthday. I flew friends in. We all went to this hotel in Santa Barbara. I created a full itinerary. Her name is Cara, so it was called Camp Cara. Like every friend had a one on one activity with her. One went horseback riding. Uh, one did like paddle boarding lessons. They got massages like I fully planned out the whole thing and I was like, well, this is why I do it.

• 58:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  This is why it's happening.

• 58:38Drew Afualo?

  I know. And it's like, I feel like too, that's why the universe like and and in my culture too, we believe the blessing is not in the money. It's in giving it away.

• 58:47Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 58:47Drew Afualo?

  And so I always think like, what is the point of making money if I can't like take care of everybody around me?

• 58:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:53Drew Afualo?

  You know, I wouldn't be here without everybody. Everybody around me.

• 58:55Speaker 04

  Right, right. And then I did this thing over the holiday season called Christmas, which was like for Club Chris. I was basically like just going through my DMs and giving people things they were asking for for Christmas. And again, that was the thing where I was like, this is why I fully, like, full transparency overdrafted one of my accounts doing that. I went, my business manager was like, hey babe, what the fuck?

• 59:20Drew Afualo?

  Hey, what's going on?

• 59:21Speaker 04

  Hey babe, are you okay? Like, are you about to, is something big about to happen? Because why are you overdrafting an account? And I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I'm just giving away people gifts. He was like, maybe chill on the MacBooks. I bought like four. Like, the Apple products were a little crazy. There was a point I was like, okay, maybe I should start holding back. But at the end of the day, people were like, I really need this one for school, or I'm an artist and like, I'm trying to do this thing here. There was, I bought like five space heaters for this women's art studio in Poland.

• 59:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 59:50Speaker 04

  And, but they, people were telling me their whole stories in there. And like, being able to do something like that, I didn't get myself a thing for Christmas. Like, I mean, I guess people don't really get themselves things, but like, it's my, my birthday's on December 22nd. So the holiday season, a lot of the time is like, when I was growing up would be a time I would be like, I'm gonna treat myself to something. But the treat myself these days is treating other people.

• 1:00:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Speaker 04

  Is doing all of this stuff for other people. And that, again, is, is the reason. And a lot of the reason I did Christmas was because I was like, I wouldn't be here if it especially weren't. That's why I'm really happy I created Club Chris, which a lot of people are like, you just did it to be, to market yourself. This is a marketing tactic. The reason I private it, one, at this point, yes, I'm marketing myself as I do every day. And as we actually all do in every interaction in our lives.

• 1:00:42Drew Afualo?

  How do you think we stay alive in this industry?

• 1:00:44Speaker 04

  If you're being nice to someone, or if you're at work, you're likely marketing yourself. Have you ever done a job interview?

• 1:00:48Drew Afualo?

  For real?

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  You're marketing yourself, honey. But when I first created it, it was not this like mastermind plan of I'm gonna. I didn't know all of this was gonna happen. I privated my account because I didn't want people to tell me to kill myself anymore on one of my accounts on TikTok at least.

• 1:01:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're like, can I have one?

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  If I can have one, that'll be great. And I privated it and didn't even tell people that it was private for the first few days. Was just like, I'm just done. It was after I had my breakdown. I privated it like a month later before I returned. Then I made a video being like, my account is now private. So if you're in, you're in. And then I remember like not even looking at my phone. And then hours later, my manager texted me like, that was genius. And I was like, what was? She was like, privating the account, how did you think of that? I was like, oh, I just thought it was gonna be like, I just don't want people to be mean. And I can just like block everyone out. And she was like, have you seen the video? And it had like 800,000 views, but it had like 500,000 likes. Which is like, that, that, that ratio has never happened again.

• 1:01:49Drew Afualo?

  No, that's a huge ratio, yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  That is cra- like, I like get really into the data of things a lot of the time and the analytics. And that was, that was like the most like to view ratio I'd ever seen. And, and it had also like 20,000 comments of people being like, this is the best thing ever. I feel like I'm a part of something. And so that's when I started to be like, oh, maybe I can like turn this into something that we all start to enjoy.

• 1:02:10Drew Afualo?

  Positive, yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  Not, not that it was like, oh, I see dollar signs out of this. Also, would have never created merch for it if that wasn't in every comment section that, that I was posting a video. It was like, we need shirts.

• 1:02:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:22Speaker 04

  And I was like, well, okay, I'll make some shirts.

• 1:02:24Drew Afualo?

  No, it's stumbling into a wonderful idea.

• 1:02:26Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:02:27Drew Afualo?

  And it, and it works in two ways.

• 1:02:29Speaker 04

  Which is always how-

• 1:02:29Drew Afualo?

  It protects you and then it also helps create something new for your-

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  But that's always how I think social media works.

• 1:02:35Drew Afualo?

  Right, I agree.

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  And any form of entertainment is trying things and then just finding certain things that work.

• 1:02:41Drew Afualo?

  I agree. When I first started, I saw a girl made a video about me. And it wasn't a mean video, but she was saying like, she's honestly a genius because now that I've done this like Batman signal in the sky type deal. Like people find content for me, so they're farming it for me. Like they're bringing it to my doorstep. I always say they drop it off at my altar and then I come and I eat it.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  Right, but you, but before you made that first video, you weren't like, I know what I'm gonna do. If I start making these videos, the people will find them for me.

• 1:03:09Drew Afualo?

  I know, and then, and I feel the same way when men are like, oh, you're just capitalizing off single women's misery. And I'm like, okay. Even if that was true, you're gonna freak out when you find out about gay people, but even if that was true.

• 1:03:20Drew Afualo?

  Even if it was true, right? Why don't you copy me then?

• 1:03:23Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 1:03:24Drew Afualo?

  It's so fucking easy, why don't you join me bitch?

• 1:03:27Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 1:03:28Drew Afualo?

  It's always like, oh, I could do that too. Can you?

• 1:03:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:03:31Drew Afualo?

  Get in the cage then.

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  Also, actually, the realty is if men stop being horrible, you'll be out of a job. So once they stop, then, great.

• 1:03:39Drew Afualo?

  I said.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  Figure out what to do.

• 1:03:41Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I had to show people that I was bubbly and funny outside of making fun of you bitches. Because I thought maybe you guys would shape up and figure it out.

• 1:03:48Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:03:48Drew Afualo?

  Didn't, so now I just have multiple threads running all in different directions.

• 1:03:52Speaker 04

  Is another, like, lest we return to it, an impressive part of doing social media.

• 1:03:57Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:03:57Speaker 04

  You have multiple things people do, because that's the thing too, is there are so many people who blow up and they only do one thing and then they either fade or people call them a one trick pony and that's all they're ever doing.

• 1:04:09Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 1:04:10Speaker 04

  Getting old, but as soon as you make some new things, oh, you've changed.

• 1:04:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're like, they're like, oh, this is a money thing.

• 1:04:15Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:04:16Drew Afualo?

  Well, I do need money, that's true.

• 1:04:19Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah, so it is my job. The amount of people who are like, he really, he changed after he, like, him and Ian broke up. He changed when he got out of the relationship and started doing solo content. Yeah, because I was fucking miserable for so many years.

• 1:04:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I had to do something.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  I, yeah.

• 1:04:36Drew Afualo?

  What was I supposed to do?

• 1:04:37Speaker 04

  I couldn't make couple content anymore.

• 1:04:40Drew Afualo?

  So I kinda had to lean on me.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  Fake a boyfriend, like, oh, just get a sex doll, blow him up and like do challenges with him, like, I was, it was, yes, people are gonna change. And at the end of the day, if my content then is not for you, that is okay.

• 1:04:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  Begging anyone to stay. And that has been one of the most freeing parts of my private account, is when people threaten to leave, I say, okay, okay, goodbye. But also, I'm happy for you for taking a choi- for making a choice for yourself.

• 1:05:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:09Speaker 04

  But I think a lot of the time, it's not really about leaving to make yourself happy, especially when you're making a video about it.

• 1:05:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 04

  I think it's about finding a community of people who also don't like me and feeling like you feel seen because you don't like me. Great, okay, you're feeling seen. For this one moment, and then, but if I acknowledge it, you're mad immediately.

• 1:05:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's very like, I'm allowed to have an opinion. Okay.

• 1:05:31Speaker 04

  Right, right, okay.

• 1:05:32Drew Afualo?

  You're right. Go have it over there then, and I'll be over here.

• 1:05:35Speaker 04

  There was a.

• 1:05:36Drew Afualo?

  I'm, I'm super like that too. I'm very like, I know I'm not everyone's cup of tea. I'm cool with that. Like, I'm not so arrogant that I think everybody should like me. Um, but if you outwardly fucking hate me, check in.

• 1:05:49Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:05:50Drew Afualo?

  Something's off.

• 1:05:50Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 1:05:51Drew Afualo?

  I don't hate.

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:05:52Drew Afualo?

  People I don't know.

• 1:05:53Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:05:53Drew Afualo?

  Um, and if I do hate you, it's for a really good reason. Like, if I do hate you, it's for, and even then, I, and there's an asterisk next to hate, because I don't think I'm, I don't think I really got it in me to really hate someone.

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, also, I think consuming content from someone you hate over and over again is a form of self-harm.

• 1:06:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  Because.

• 1:06:12Drew Afualo?

  At some point.

• 1:06:13Speaker 04

  Why are you doing that?

• 1:06:14Drew Afualo?

  Or obsession.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  Obsession and fan energy.

• 1:06:18Drew Afualo?

  Infatuation.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  Infatuation, love.

• 1:06:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:21Speaker 04

  But, but like masked under hate, because, I mean, at the end of the day, self-harm, a lot of the time, is about taking the pain inside of you and placing it somewhere else.

• 1:06:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Speaker 04

  And a lot of people do it in plenty of different ways. I was doing it through substance abuse for many years of my life. And so someone is taking the pain that they feel about themselves and putting it on you over and over again. And I, and, and they're seeking out your content and they're, and they're fi, and they're consuming it.

• 1:06:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Speaker 04

  Every single time.

• 1:06:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:51Speaker 04

  And it's almost this like masochistic feeling of like, I love how much this hurts. I love to hate this person.

• 1:06:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:57Speaker 04

  I follow you because it's a hate follow, which is just the craziest thing to me.

• 1:07:02Drew Afualo?

  Have you ever asked someone, I've asked people, I'm like, if you hate me so much, why do you follow me? And then they were like, they'll write the craziest responses. Like, the, the things they say back, like, I've heard, oh, I just like, I like to follow people I don't like. Like, a man told me that.

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:07:20Drew Afualo?

  Why?

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:07:21Drew Afualo?

  And then he was like, you're fat. Okay, well blocked.

• 1:07:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:24Drew Afualo?

  You're kicked out the club.

• 1:07:24Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:07:25Drew Afualo?

  Like, get, get out of here, you weirdo. Like, it's okay.

• 1:07:27Speaker 04

  It is a very, it's a crazy mental illness. It's a crazy little chapter of the mental illness book.

• 1:07:33Drew Afualo?

  I don't need anymore.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  No, I really do have enough.

• 1:07:36Drew Afualo?

  I got enough.

• 1:07:36Speaker 04

  That's why it's hard, because we try to like, we try to empathize, we try to get in their shoes. But like the story I told you, I think before we started rolling of how someone said, I was liking all these comments that were death threats against them. It gets to a point where it gets serious.

• 1:07:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  It's like, oh, this isn't actually funny and you're not actually just being a hater anymore. You're making defamatory comments that if something ended up actually happening, legal action would have to be taken by one of us. This is crazy.

• 1:08:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and against me.

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  Yes, and you know it's not true. And of course, as soon as I screenshot that and DM this person

• 1:08:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:09Speaker 04

  and say, you and I both know this is not true. What could possibly have possessed you to say something like this? Please don't do this. And I need you to understand that this is really serious.

• 1:08:18Drew Afualo?

  And harmful.

• 1:08:19Speaker 04

  And super harmful, not only to me, but to people who maybe do like me or just people reading that and thinking, wow, is there some big creator out there who's liking death threat? Like, that makes anyone feel uneasy.

• 1:08:31Drew Afualo?

  It's so crazy.

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  And as soon as I DM this person, paragraphs of apologies saying, I exaggerated. I thought maybe you did like one, but you probably didn't.

• 1:08:40Drew Afualo?

  I never thought you would see this.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  I didn't think you were gonna see it, but their comment had like a thousand likes at that point. And I'm like, that's a thousand people who decided to like it. I can't imagine how many people decided to see it. And this is based on a lie.

• 1:08:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  And, and you creating this thing about me is so unbelievably harmful and it depersonalizes me. It's because they don't think of us as people.

• 1:08:59Drew Afualo?

  As real people, like as actual human beings.

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:09:01Drew Afualo?

  That's why I, the Golden Globes, like you and I going to the Globes. I always think, first of all, can we just say for the record, they ask us to go, okay? I feel like they think we're submitting self tapes to be to go. And then they're like, why the fuck is that bitch there?

• 1:09:16Speaker 04

  I thought someone said, like, how much money does he have to pay his way in? I'm like, not enough, because bitch, if I had to pay my way in, I, after doing Christmas and overdrafting my account, I would probably not be able to afford to go to the Golden Globes, honey.

• 1:09:28Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I couldn't last a day in this.

• 1:09:29Speaker 04

  No. They are asking us because also at the end of the day, so many of the videos that go viral, whether it's people liking us or not, or us being there and people being like, I fucking hate that this person is there. And yes, that is not at all me saying that we are famous.

• 1:09:44Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  Or that we are bigger than any of the people who are actually in shows there.

• 1:09:48Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 1:09:49Speaker 04

  It's just me observing that people love to eat up.

• 1:09:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:52Speaker 04

  When we're at something like this, whether it's good or bad.

• 1:09:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely. And also you wouldn't think we're famous either if you saw how they treat us at those things.

• 1:09:59Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 1:10:01Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I said, they gave me a vest and said, and park some cars while you're at it, bitch. Make yourself useful.

• 1:10:06Speaker 04

  I tried to make myself as small as possible at these things. I'm walking down the, I'm walking down the red carpet. I'm like, I'm sorry. Like a rep is like pushing me to the side.

• 1:10:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, girl.

• 1:10:15Speaker 04

  Look out of the way. I like, and that's, that was why when my friend who works for Variety, Mark was like, let me introduce you to Ariana.

• 1:10:23Drew Afualo?

  I know, Mark.

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  I was like, no.

• 1:10:25Drew Afualo?

  He's a ledge.

• 1:10:25Speaker 04

  Love Mark.

• 1:10:26Drew Afualo?

  Variety ledge.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  Love Mark down.

• 1:10:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:29Speaker 04

  And he, he was like, well, let me introduce you. And ultimately, the reason he was introducing me to her is because he likes me, because we're friends, because I'm a good person.

• 1:10:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:39Speaker 04

  Even though everyone wants me to be a villain, but he says, um, not everyone, there are so many people who really do support me and I love you and I can't wait to see you on tour.

• 1:10:46Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 1:10:47Speaker 04

  But he, marketing, he, um, was like, come meet her. And I was like, no. I initially said no, and I'm, I'm, I don't mean that in like a, oh, I couldn't like, I do, I do not want to take her time.

• 1:10:59Drew Afualo?

  You're like, I'm afraid of what I'll become.

• 1:11:01Speaker 04

  No, I don't. And too, all I see in my head whenever I'm meeting someone I like now is someone taking a video of it and someone saying, get Chris Holson away from them because they hate to see me talk to anyone.

• 1:11:13Drew Afualo?

  So sad though.

• 1:11:14Speaker 04

  It makes me also sad. It like I, there's a video of me from earlier in the night of someone saying, who do you want to take a selfie with here? And I was like, I don't want to take up anyone's time. I don't want to bother anyone. But then I do say, but if I could, it would be Ariana. Manifested.

• 1:11:29Drew Afualo?

  Look at you.

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  But I, that is really the energy most of the time because kind of the impetus for my like main breakdown on August 8th was. I just Love Island just finished. Love Lea and Serena down and Janaye, really all of them, PPG forever. And I saw them at a, I think it was a Variety event. I saw them at a Variety event and we were next to each other in line. And then we spent most of the night together. I had the best time with them and I was living a fucking dream because I just watched the show. I love them so much and they knew who I was. They were like, I, oh wait, obviously we know who you are. And we were having such a good time, got each other's numbers, planned to hang out. Like I had a lovely time and I remember driving home with my friend. And this was in the middle of me getting a lot of hate and being like,

• 1:12:16Speaker 04

  can't tell nothing. Like these girls like me because they met me and they know me. And that's what matters. When I meet someone in person, seems to go well. And so that's the, and also having friends for many years is a very good sign. Someone's friend group is a beautiful sign of who they are as a person. It really, really, really is. And so I went home and I was like, I feel good. I went right over to a situationship's house, hooked up, slept over. Feeling high off life. Yes, I'm living. And I knew once we took those photos together, because we took them in one of the photo booths. So I knew Variety had them and I knew they would probably post them at some point. And I knew when they were going to post them, some people would be shitty about it.

• 1:13:00Speaker 04

  But I was like, you know what? I had a really good time. It doesn't matter. I wake up in my situationship's bed the next morning, open my phone. And literally the first thing is a Love Island fan page on TikTok posting the photos of us. And the Love Island fan page was saying it in a nice way. It was like, oh my God, Chris Olsen with Lea and Serena. The top comment, thousands of likes, get Chris Olsen away from them. Second, fucking Chris Olsen. Third, Lea, run, Serena, run. And I see that and. I was just, this was during the insomnia era when like neither of us were sleeping very well.

• 1:13:36Drew Afualo?

  You're already on edge.

• 1:13:37Speaker 04

  And so that never makes for a good morning. I was crying like every morning in general those days, whether something happened or not, but that morning, the first feeling I had was rage.

• 1:13:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  I was so mad that I had just had this really good night and all people seemed to want to do the next day was make me feel bad about it.

• 1:13:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:59Speaker 04

  And I felt so angry.

• 1:14:01Drew Afualo?

  And for no reason.

• 1:14:01Speaker 04

  And for no reason.

• 1:14:02Drew Afualo?

  Other than just like, they don't like you.

• 1:14:03Speaker 04

  And my first plan, I screenshotted all of those. I screenshotted their accounts. My first plan, because this was also during the time when like making 50 part series was becoming a thing, was like, I am going to find every hate comment that I can find against me and make a video for each one of these people, taking them down.

• 1:14:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  In the way that they made me feel. I want them to feel the way I feel right now.

• 1:14:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:26Speaker 04

  Because I feel so fucking horrible about myself and they made me feel this way, which is not, I don't condone or validate that exact feeling, but it was just the honest rage that I was having.

• 1:14:38Drew Afualo?

  The initial feeling.

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  I was, I was sad all the time and then I was just like, I don't know what to fucking do.

• 1:14:44Drew Afualo?

  Well, and I can't even have one good night.

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  I can't have one good night. I thought I was finally turning a corner and the first thing I see is people hating that because also, what am I going to do to them? What do you think is going to happen?

• 1:14:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:59Speaker 04

  That they need to get away from me?

• 1:15:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:01Speaker 04

  What do you think I'm gonna do? Because none of you can find a single problematic thing that I've done to like, be like, well, he's gonna, I don't know, whatever it is.

• 1:15:11Drew Afualo?

  It's the curse of annoying.

• 1:15:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:12Drew Afualo?

  And it's like not, it's also not illegal.

• 1:15:15Speaker 04

  It's not illegal.

• 1:15:15Drew Afualo?

  Believe it or not.

• 1:15:16Speaker 04

  It's not illegal and I'm a fucking theater kid. It's not my-

• 1:15:20Drew Afualo?

  You said it's in my DNA to be annoying.

• 1:15:21Speaker 04

  It's not my fault. 13 million people still followed me.

• 1:15:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:26Speaker 04

  I, I was annoying and it worked. I'm sorry. Like, I, I enjoy the part of it.

• 1:15:31Drew Afualo?

  Sorry yours doesn't really turn out that way.

• 1:15:33Speaker 04

  I'm so sorry if it's not really working for you and if you just kind of feel bad about yourself, but congrats, I now feel bad about myself too.

• 1:15:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:39Speaker 04

  So I felt so much rage, but as I said to you, like rage isn't my default, very uncomfortable feeling for me. So I went home and I made a first video being really mad and then I made a second video starting to be a little sad. And then my friend came over that day and we were supposed to do a working session together and he came over and- As soon as I opened the door, I was like, hi. And he was like, what's wrong? I hadn't started crying yet. Soon as he asked me what's wrong, I start sobbing for maybe like a full hour uninterrupted, just saying the same things kind of over and over again about how I feel like such a fucking loser. And this is kind of like really cliche, but you saw Wicked, right?

• 1:16:18Drew Afualo?

  Yes, of course.

• 1:16:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh my god, yeah, we were both there.

• 1:16:20Drew Afualo?

  Of course I did.

• 1:16:21Speaker 04

  When Elphaba walks into that ballroom.

• 1:16:24Drew Afualo?

  Stop.

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  And everyone is-

• 1:16:25Drew Afualo?

  Can I say, I gotta chill. I gotta chill down my spine.

• 1:16:30Speaker 04

  Goosebumps.

• 1:16:30Drew Afualo?

  Girl, are you kidding?

• 1:16:32Speaker 04

  And listen, I know, I know Elphaba represents a lot of many, like many different things, like mainly women of color.

• 1:16:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:41Speaker 04

  Mainly, a lot of the time, the queer community. Marginalized people.

• 1:16:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:44Speaker 04

  But I'm gonna take one moment to make it about me, real quick.

• 1:16:48Drew Afualo?

  If I may.

• 1:16:48Speaker 04

  When she walked into that ballroom, I haven't cried that hard during a movie because I was like, that is what this consistently feels like to me.

• 1:16:57Drew Afualo?

  And you, can I just say, Chris, at the LA premiere, I'm not kidding, my sister and I sitting side by side, literally sobbing so bad at the premiere, I thought I was gonna have to go to the restroom and excuse myself.

• 1:17:09Speaker 04

  Heaving.

• 1:17:10Drew Afualo?

  Cause I felt, cause I was like, I'm embarrassing myself, like I'm in a fucking corset and I'm sobbing.

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  Like snot and like trying to not like make a sound.

• 1:17:18Drew Afualo?

  And you're so right.

• 1:17:20Speaker 04

  It's, that is what this feels like.

• 1:17:22Drew Afualo?

  That's exactly how it feels.

• 1:17:23Speaker 04

  You show up to a school dance really excited and feeling your best, and then everyone starts laughing at you.

• 1:17:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and, and being mean to you.

• 1:17:31Speaker 04

  And being mean to you, and thank god, I think you and I both have Glindas in our lives.

• 1:17:35Drew Afualo?

  Yes, absolutely.

• 1:17:36Speaker 04

  And that's why I also cried, because I was sitting next to my friend Shree, who I'm like, you've been my Glinda of war. Like you've saved my fucking life. But I, I felt like that felt was just like the perfect representation of what happened that day. Because I literally was crying to my friend and over and over again, couldn't stop saying that I just feel like a loser that everyone is pointing and laughing at. There's a Gaga documentary that she made during her Monster Ball tour, and she starts crying in the dressing room before, before her MSG show, and it's like, I sometimes still feel like that loser kid in high school. And of course, me as a little kid fan watching that, I'm like, but you're Gaga, you're fine. But now I'm like, I get it.

• 1:18:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:19Speaker 04

  And we're not even performing at MSG.

• 1:18:21Drew Afualo?

  Girl, we're not even on that level.

• 1:18:22Speaker 04

  No, we're, we're like in the, in the mic, in the whole- World of entertainment, we are little ants and still it feels like someone is fucking crushing us with bricks.

• 1:18:33Drew Afualo?

  Over and over and over again.

• 1:18:34Speaker 04

  Over and over again.

• 1:18:34Drew Afualo?

  And laughing about it.

• 1:18:35Speaker 04

  And laughing about it.

• 1:18:36Drew Afualo?

  And like you said, finding community in it.

• 1:18:37Speaker 04

  Yes, which is, that's the, that feels like the hardest part for me because I love bringing people together. We, we both love bringing people together and it feels like when you're on the come up, everything is good.

• 1:18:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:48Speaker 04

  And people love that you're bringing people together for a good reason. And then suddenly people are coming together because they hate you and they, and they're having fun with it.

• 1:18:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:57Speaker 04

  They're having a lot of fun and, and they're making creative jokes.

• 1:19:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  At the end of the day and you're like, fuck, bro. Like some of this is actually like funny if, if, if it were not directly about me.

• 1:19:08Drew Afualo?

  That audio that's like, fuck, it's genius, fuck.

• 1:19:10Speaker 04

  Yes, yes.

• 1:19:11Drew Afualo?

  Trust me, I know.

• 1:19:12Speaker 04

  Someone, someone who just posted like a, it was, who responded to you on Twitter with like a Pokemon thing or it was like a drive by.

• 1:19:20Drew Afualo?

  Oh dude, the pot of greed.

• 1:19:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:19:22Drew Afualo?

  Yes, yes bitch.

• 1:19:23Speaker 04

  And you were like, got me.

• 1:19:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I said, you're right, it will stay with me. That happened three years ago. I still think about it.

• 1:19:29Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:19:29Drew Afualo?

  And, and speaking of the pot of greed shit, I even made a video about it like probably not too long ago, like a few months ago. But I was like saying how I started seeing men who fucking hate me.

• 1:19:39Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 1:19:39Drew Afualo?

  Saying I like, oh yeah, she's the pot of greed, like taking credit for the joke. Like they started saying like, I saw a guy on here call her pot of greed and I've never looked at her the same si- pause. I called myself that bitch and, and on top of that, you really want to trace it to the origin. That was a Barb Stan account. So I tell you right now, that was not a straight man. I can tell you that confidently.

• 1:19:59Speaker 04

  And the Barb Stan accounts, they're going to be funny when they're taking you down.

• 1:20:01Drew Afualo?

  Girl, and creative.

• 1:20:03Speaker 04

  And creative.

• 1:20:03Drew Afualo?

  Because pot of greed, what the fuck is that? And it didn't, was, there was no laughing, there was no much, it just said pot of greed, that's it. And that's the meanest thing I've ever read about myself ever.

• 1:20:12Speaker 04

  And period and almost we should have it framed.

• 1:20:14Drew Afualo?

  I wish, I really hope, I wish, I wish I screenshot it, I really do. And this kind of lends towards my next thing, which is sometimes people take mean things I've read about myself and I made the shit funny. And then when men start trying to levy it against me, I'm like, that's my joke bitch. I was like, you need me for everything.

• 1:20:30Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:20:30Drew Afualo?

  But now like on my globes, like pictures I posted.

• 1:20:35Speaker 04

  So fucking hot.

• 1:20:37Drew Afualo?

  I can't believe someone would ever like call you the pot of greed. You don't look anything like that card. Hey, hey, just give me a like girl.

• 1:20:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:46Drew Afualo?

  I don't need the comment.

• 1:20:47Speaker 04

  It's okay. Don't worry about it.

• 1:20:49Drew Afualo?

  I love you though. I love you though.

• 1:20:50Speaker 04

  Oh my god, yeah, it's like when people like really love to throw out the like, you know what? I don't love most of what you do, but this one got me. Or, he's not really my cup of tea, but I don't think people should be calling him ugly.

• 1:21:04Speaker 04

  Hey, I've never been attracted to him. I sometimes think he doesn't wear the best things, but that's a little mean.

• 1:21:11Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:21:12Drew Afualo?

  Oh.

• 1:21:13Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:21:14Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 1:21:14Speaker 04

  Okay. Okay. Jesus Christ.

• 1:21:19Drew Afualo?

  Wow.

• 1:21:20Speaker 04

  I've never enjoyed one of his videos, but you're really being a bitch to him.

• 1:21:23Drew Afualo?

  Oh.

• 1:21:25Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:21:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Okay.

• 1:21:29Speaker 04

  Fighting for me.

• 1:21:30Drew Afualo?

  I love.

• 1:21:30Speaker 04

  Perfect. Hey babe, you didn't have to say a word.

• 1:21:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no.

• 1:21:33Speaker 04

  Just keep quiet.

• 1:21:34Drew Afualo?

  No, yeah, thank you, thank you. You're all like, that kind of makes me feel just as bad. I love you though.

• 1:21:38Speaker 04

  Yes, okay.

• 1:21:39Drew Afualo?

  I know, I had that too. I've had women be like, oh, I hate, I think she's so annoying, but this is kind of a little too far.

• 1:21:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:47Drew Afualo?

  Okay. Or they'll say, I fucking, like, one dude, he crashed out about me years ago and he was making videos about me every single day for like months. Like, every day his video was dedicated to me. And my sister-

• 1:21:58Speaker 04

  Video of the day.

• 1:21:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, right. He's like, let's talk shit on that fat bitch Drew again.

• 1:22:01Speaker 04

  Okay babe.

• 1:22:02Drew Afualo?

  And then at one point, someone wrote a comment on his video and he said, listen, I hate that fat bitch too, but like, are you ever gonna get back to your normal content? Or is this kind of like your thing?

• 1:22:12Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:22:13Drew Afualo?

  My sister screenshot that comment and she sent it to her. She goes, I think he'll be done soon, dude. I don't know. Cause like, she would like check in on him.

• 1:22:20Speaker 04

  Bro.

• 1:22:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then he was like, no, for sure. New workout coming in two days. And I said,

• 1:22:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:22:26Drew Afualo?

  Mi hente. When I read that comment, I said, like.

• 1:22:29Speaker 04

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:22:30Drew Afualo?

  No, I get it. I agree.

• 1:22:31Speaker 04

  Since some people, like, there are the, there are the creative haters, which I sometimes have a little bit of respect for. But then there are the not, and all of the not creative ones, just the like scum of the earth ones, live on Reddit.

• 1:22:43Drew Afualo?

  Truly.

• 1:22:44Speaker 04

  Never been there.

• 1:22:45Drew Afualo?

  I always, me either. And I'll tell you this, they have had wanted posters of my face on Reddit for the last four years.

• 1:22:51Speaker 04

  It's crazy.

• 1:22:52Drew Afualo?

  They are looking for me.

• 1:22:53Speaker 04

  Scary, scary place in there.

• 1:22:55Drew Afualo?

  You'll never catch me looking at Reddit. Unless I'm Googling something for myself, I'm never looking myself up on Reddit. Ever.

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:02Drew Afualo?

  And I want to say one more thing about the Oz dust ball scene.

• 1:23:05Speaker 04

  So say it.

• 1:23:07Drew Afualo?

  That happened, uh, like, obviously inconsolable. Fucking open mouth crying. And then when we got home, Teffy text me and my sister, cause we have a group chat and she was like, I just want to tell you guys that if we were at a ball together, I would put on your ugly little hat and I would dance with you guys. And we were, cause all three of us were crying separately and I was like, stop, stop, stop. I'm sick to my stomach. Stop.

• 1:23:30Speaker 04

  Immediately sobs.

• 1:23:31Drew Afualo?

  I'm overwhelmed. So.

• 1:23:33Speaker 04

  It's, they, I mean, the, the movie is perfect and they did that scene so beautifully because you really see her excitement when she walks in the room.

• 1:23:42Drew Afualo?

  No, it kills me.

• 1:23:44Speaker 04

  That is what I was getting emotional about before is like, we are, we're, we're still our little kids grown up. We are the little versions of ourselves who were really excited about being seen and really excited about doing something that felt impactful in the world. And like especially your content, you've made such an impact and changed probably how so many people feel about themselves. And then at the end of the day, you get online and you see someone wanting to rip the joy away from the little kid. And you're like, it's like you just walked into the room and you were smiling and, and then they wanted to make you feel bad for something that wasn't even about what, what you were, what you were trying to do.

• 1:24:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's like so completely unrelated and I, and even when I, when my book came out and stuff, I like talked about how it was making me so emotional seeing reviews of my book because I was telling my sister, like, for once, I felt like I was really being seen for what I've always wanted to be seen for, which is being smart. Like, that's never been something that's been linked to me, especially online, even like, even though I know I'm smart, I don't need people to tell me, but like, it's always like, oh, she's fucking mean to men, which like, yes, objectively, yes, but like, there's so much more to me and my content. So feeling seen, like you said, is what validates us. It like makes us feel like, okay, they, they get what I'm trying to do. They get who I am. Like they see me as a person. It's more,

• 1:25:02Drew Afualo?

  like, I feel like being seen, I've talked about this in therapy. I'm like, I feel like my version of being seen online is, is being seen for who I am and like, what I'm trying to do, what I'm trying to accomplish, what I really love. And I feel like you're the same way. And that's why, before we wrap, I want to commend you on your, you are so brave and you are so strong. And I, I don't think you hear that enough. But you are, you are so brave, like genuinely you are. And I tell people all the time to do this job is. Really sacrificing a lot, like, and by that, I mean, like, the way you see yourself, the way you perceive yourself, and it's hard and it's really difficult. And I think that you've weathered it, you've conquered it, but you've also been so open and honest about it, like, how much it hurts you.

• 1:25:45Drew Afualo?

  And that is brave. It's brave to do things like that.

• 1:25:48Speaker 04

  Well, thank you.

• 1:25:49Drew Afualo?

  People like you inspire me. Really, you do.

• 1:25:51Speaker 04

  Oh, my god. And you inspire me.

• 1:25:54Drew Afualo?

  We pull from each other. I think it's a good thing.

• 1:25:56Speaker 04

  Exactly. Like, I need a little bit of your, the ener- but that is what, let me finish my sentence before I move on. I need a little bit of your, like, fuck you energy and sometime, and like,

• 1:26:05Drew Afualo?

  I need your vulnerability.

• 1:26:07Speaker 04

  But you did that so beautifully with your break and with that whole video. And I, I remember watching, I think I watched the whole thing twice, because I was just like, this is, it couldn't have been more perfect. Letting people in, especially when you've built a platform where you know some of those shitty men are gonna grasp on to certain parts of that and be like, weak, weak or some shit. And it's like, okay, okay.

• 1:26:30Drew Afualo?

  And that's why I don't like doing that. And that's, but I felt like,

• 1:26:33Speaker 04

  But that is strong.

• 1:26:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and you text me after and told me that it was the best thing you ever did for yourself. And I remember too, like, people like you, people like my sister, people like Tevi, like, inspire me to be more open about what hurts me, because like, I don't like telling people that shit, obviously, because I'm, mine is so antagonistic. Like, my, my platform was built on antagonizing awful people. So like, I don't like to show weakness because of that, but at the same time, I feel like when you want to have vulnerable conversations, but you're unwilling to be vulnerable, you're just sounding like an asshole. So like, I, I feel like pulling from people like you has helped me a lot. Especially making peace with doing a break, because it's hard for me to not work.

• 1:27:10Speaker 04

  No, I know. I know. I, I, that, that was another reason why doing tour rehearsals around that time was so helpful, because I was like, okay, I can do something else. But vulnerability is strength, a hundred percent. People see crying and people see softness as weakness a lot of the time. But I think it's sometimes one of the strongest things someone can do.

• 1:27:30Drew Afualo?

  As someone who, who yells at people for a fucking living, like, I, I agree.

• 1:27:35Speaker 04

  Which is also strength.

• 1:27:36Drew Afualo?

  It's a different kind.

• 1:27:37Speaker 04

  There's so many spectrums of strength.

• 1:27:39Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:27:40Speaker 04

  But softness and vulnerability is not inherently weak whatsoever.

• 1:27:44Drew Afualo?

  In my opinion. But I think you're amazing and we're in love, so obviously, that's true. We have been for years.

• 1:27:49Speaker 04

  We just, I,

• 1:27:50Drew Afualo?

  We therapist each other.

• 1:27:51Speaker 04

  I could have yapped for 24 hours. We're both insomniacs at this point, so I might as well.

• 1:27:56Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I know, sleep paralysis, girls.

• 1:27:58Speaker 04

  Yeah. Stand up.

• 1:28:00Drew Afualo?

  But obviously, everybody knows you. But where can everybody find you and buy tickets to the tour?

• 1:28:06Speaker 04

  You can buy tickets to the tour on Ticketmaster slash in my website, clubchris.com.

• 1:28:13Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 1:28:14Speaker 04

  And then you can find me on TikTok at Chris, just at Chris. YouTube, Chris Olsen, doing a lot of YouTube these days. Go check it out.

• 1:28:23Drew Afualo?

  Look at you.

• 1:28:23Speaker 04

  And then Instagram is Chris Olsen.

• 1:28:25Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 1:28:26Speaker 04

  And then if you're special, maybe you'll get into Club Chris. We'll see.

• 1:28:28Drew Afualo?

  Ooh, I'm not even in that. Can you believe it?

• 1:28:30Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. I will add you right now, baby.

• 1:28:33Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I'm not even in it. I have your phone number, but I'm not even in it. Okay.

• 1:28:36Speaker 04

  That's crazy.

• 1:28:37Drew Afualo?

  But I'm so excited for you to go on tour. I'm so excited.

• 1:28:40Speaker 04

  Excited to.

• 1:28:40Drew Afualo?

  And most importantly, I love watching people thrive in their art form.

• 1:28:46Speaker 04

  I'm having fun.

• 1:28:46Drew Afualo?

  You love to perform, you love to sing. Like, those are things that you were meant and destined to do.

• 1:28:52Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:28:53Drew Afualo?

  And social media has always been a vehicle, which I think that all the time. I think that about Dylan, too.

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:57Drew Afualo?

  I think that about Brittany. I think about Caleb. Like, they're vehicles for our art form that we really want to pursue.

• 1:29:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:02Drew Afualo?

  So I'm so happy for you, and I'm happy that you're, you seem lighter, you seem.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  Feel a little better.

• 1:29:08Drew Afualo?

  Like, a lot less unburdened. You know what I mean?

• 1:29:11Speaker 04

  The first day of 2025, I did survive like a subway shooting. And I feel like that was the universe being like, hey, we have to get the chaos out in one day. But then it's gonna get better. Thankfully, I don't think anyone got hurt from that specific incident.

• 1:29:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:26Speaker 04

  Stay safe in New York right now, actually everywhere.

• 1:29:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:29Speaker 04

  But yeah, it was a crazy first day. And then I met Ariana. So it was like, hey, we got you.

• 1:29:36Drew Afualo?

  They said, sorry about that.

• 1:29:37Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. Sorry, we needed to do something to kind of shake you up on day one.

• 1:29:42Drew Afualo?

  They said, last thing, I swear.

• 1:29:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, last thing. We know it was a horrible last year. Let's just get one thing out, day one.

• 1:29:48Drew Afualo?

  Last swear.

• 1:29:49Speaker 04

  And then it'll be good. Yeah.

• 1:29:50Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much for coming back. I love you.

• 1:29:52Speaker 04

  Thank you for having me. I love you so much. So much. I can't wait to come back.

• 1:29:55Drew Afualo?

  Look at us, we're growing women.

• 1:29:56Speaker 04

  Be back in this chair. All stars three.

• 1:29:59Drew Afualo?

  Period. Thank you so much to all of you for tuning into this episode. Thank you to my amazing. All-Star guest Chris Olsen. Make sure y'all go get tickets to Club Chris. And also you already follow Chris. I know you fucking do.

• 1:30:09Speaker 04

  Oh, stop.

• 1:30:10Drew Afualo?

  Oh, please.

• 1:30:10Speaker 04

  Or block me if you hate me.

• 1:30:12Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yes, please.

• 1:30:12Speaker 04

  I'm begging you.

• 1:30:13Drew Afualo?

  Add me to that list, too.

• 1:30:14Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:30:16Drew Afualo?

  Thank you all so much for watching. Don't forget, new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, but the video lives for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. So, thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you to my amazing guest, Chris, and I'll see you next week. Bye.

• 1:30:30Speaker 04

  Bye.