MAYBE WE’RE FALLING IN LOVE Ft. Kay Poyer | Episode 152

We are graced by the presence of Kay Poyer in the studio this week!! Kay and Drew talk about Kay’s harrowing experience delivering pizzas, getting nasty-murdered in a horror movie, buying fake gucci jackets, witnessing shoplifting, why the bad always comes in threes, and so much more. Kay IG: https://www.instagram.com/ladymisskay_/ Kay Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ladymisskay_?lang=en Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I'm getting off the train late at night. I will take my shoes off, already crazy.

• 0:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 0:05Speaker 00

  And then do this like crab walk and laugh the whole way back.

• 0:09Drew Afualo?

  I'll show you my technique right now. Nothing makes them leave me alone faster.

• 0:12Speaker 00

  Oh, and you know what? I mean, truly, the sidewalk parted.

• 0:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 0:16Speaker 00

  Like, like the Red Sea.

• 0:24Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show. Sorry, me, your fave, who cares about me? On to the guests. Today, we have the iconic, the legendary, the hilarious, Ms. Kay Poyer.

• 0:39Drew Afualo?

  Oh, girl, I'm gagged to have you. I'm so excited.

• 0:40Speaker 00

  I was thinking about it the entire month. I got the email.

• 0:43Drew Afualo?

  Girl.

• 0:44Speaker 00

  Didn't think about anything else, sat in my room.

• 0:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I'm honored and privileged to take a space, but I am obsessed with you, I have to say.

• 0:51Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 0:51Drew Afualo?

  I didn't want to tell you before the cameras turned on, because otherwise it's not real, it needs to be documented.

• 0:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 0:56Drew Afualo?

  I think you're fucking hilarious.

• 0:57Speaker 00

  Thank you so much.

• 0:58Drew Afualo?

  I think you're incredible and so funny.

• 1:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01Drew Afualo?

  And after, like, you and I are moots on TikTok.

• 1:04Speaker 00

  Right, right, right.

• 1:04Drew Afualo?

  And I, literally, I was like, get that girl in my office.

• 1:07Speaker 00

  Get her out here.

• 1:08Drew Afualo?

  Get her on the show immediately.

• 1:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10Drew Afualo?

  But I'm so happy to have you. I'm happy you're here.

• 1:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, thank you so much for having me. It's been very fun. I was hoping I would have more time while I was in LA to like, do all the LA girl stuff.

• 1:20Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:20Speaker 00

  But we've been, we've been hustling since we've been here, but it's been great.

• 1:23Drew Afualo?

  Because you're booked and busy, girl.

• 1:25Speaker 00

  Very booked and very busy.

• 1:26Drew Afualo?

  Which we love.

• 1:26Speaker 00

  And I've been keeping it a secret. I have not been telling them.

• 1:29Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 1:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, and as, as far as they're concerned, January 19th, they're throwing me in the glue factory.

• 1:35Drew Afualo?

  They're committing you.

• 1:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, genuinely.

• 1:37Drew Afualo?

  They're 515ing you.

• 1:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I have stuff up my sleeve. I'm not going to be executed. It's fine.

• 1:42Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:42Speaker 00

  It's totally good.

• 1:44Drew Afualo?

  But I'd love to know more about your lore, like how you came into TikTok, how you started making videos, like what, what life was like before this?

• 1:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, life before this, just, like, you know how you always have periods where all the bad shit happens at once?

• 1:59Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, absolutely. That's the only time bad shit happens to me.

• 2:02Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:02Drew Afualo?

  All at once.

• 2:02Speaker 00

  It comes in threes or 10.

• 2:05Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 2:05Speaker 00

  Whatever. And that's kind of where I was at. And it was, yeah, all of that personal stuff, you know, like, I don't know, just anything you can think of, you can name it, it was there. And then covid happened. And so I was no longer like talking to my dad, my mom had passed away and I'm like living on my friend's couch. And then we get locked down. Her and I are drinking, what are those things? The Smirnoff Ice, um, Rocket Pop flavor?

• 2:32Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 2:33Speaker 00

  We would drink those every day in finger paint for the entire lockdown. And I was like, well, I don't have any money, so I don't have anything to do. And I started posting on TikTok. And yeah, I just, I guess got addicted to it. I don't know. Four years later, I'm still posting every day.

• 2:49Drew Afualo?

  That tends to be how it happens, huh?

• 2:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:51Drew Afualo?

  Worms its way in there.

• 2:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:53Drew Afualo?

  I have to say, like, one of the first videos I ever saw of yours was you talking about working at Buffalo Exchange. Was it Buffalo Exchange or Play-Doh's?

• 3:02Speaker 00

  It was a place similar, I don't know if they can sue me, because I did get fired and I deserved to be fired.

• 3:07Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I got fired too, and I talk about the NFL all the time, girl.

• 3:12Drew Afualo?

  I just never tell them what happened, but like, they did fire me, that is for fucking sure.

• 3:16Speaker 00

  Well, I will say, the place that fired me, they fired me for kind of like a little bit being a bitch. And they were right, you know, I look back in time and I'm like, yeah, I was not good.

• 3:24Drew Afualo?

  That part's on me.

• 3:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:25Drew Afualo?

  I own that.

• 3:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I'll take that, that's fine.

• 3:28Drew Afualo?

  But that video you made about how awful it was working there, made me laugh so hard, to this day, I still go and look for it. Because I want to show everybody, I'm not kidding, like, and I, and my favorite TikToks like that, that make me laugh so hard, I have to lock my phone for a little.

• 3:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:40Drew Afualo?

  Because then I start to feel like I'm going insane, like, I'm laughing like you're here with me, and that makes me feel weird.

• 3:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:44Drew Afualo?

  So I like, I'll favorite them so I can revisit them.

• 3:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, for sure.

• 3:47Drew Afualo?

  I still haven't found it. I've Googled it a million times.

• 3:49Speaker 00

  A lot of them, they just like disappear into the void.

• 3:52Drew Afualo?

  That's mine.

• 3:52Speaker 00

  And I forget about them too, people will mention it to me and I'm like, I have, I might have lied about that.

• 3:58Drew Afualo?

  You're like, well, which version of me said that? Because sometimes I lie.

• 4:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's a couple, there's a couple of girls who get behind that camera. Not all of them tell the truth.

• 4:05Drew Afualo?

  And that's out of my hands. When she takes hold, that's out of my hands.

• 4:08Speaker 00

  Absolutely, absolutely. I do remember that one though. Because I remember every single thing I found in those bags, the needles, all that, it was a nightmare.

• 4:17Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 4:18Speaker 00

  By the time I got fired, I was like, you know what? This is for the better. This is truly, well, and also something-

• 4:24Drew Afualo?

  The healthiest thing for our relationship.

• 4:25Speaker 00

  Is that I never come here again. Never see any of you again. And I did also get scammed. I was nineteen at this time. And I got scammed. I had a customer come in with two identical, clearly fake Gucci jackets. And he was like, well, I wanna sell these. I was like, we don't take designer. And he was like, would you just give me sixty bucks for it? And I ran to the bank and got sixty dollars. By the way, also hated the jacket. It was so ugly. But I was like, I'm gonna sell this to the real real.

• 4:56Speaker 00

  And then I was like-

• 4:56Drew Afualo?

  Shouts out the real real.

• 4:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 5:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, and then it just sat in my closet, cuz I was like, oh, this is so obviously fake.

• 5:07Drew Afualo?

  Now your two fake Gucci jackets up, sixty dollars down.

• 5:10Speaker 00

  Oh, no, one. I got one for sixty.

• 5:14Drew Afualo?

  What a steal.

• 5:18Speaker 00

  Love that job, though. You know?

• 5:20Drew Afualo?

  And how many, like, what's the worst job you think you've ever had?

• 5:24Speaker 00

  All of them. I don't wanna work.

• 5:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, customer service is- It's something else.

• 5:28Speaker 00

  I don't wanna do a day job. I just, I don't think I will ever like it. I finally, at one point, I got into the office. So many girls are like, the office is gonna save me. Like, that's gonna be what does it, is I'm gonna get in the office-

• 5:40Drew Afualo?

  That's gonna convince you to love working.

• 5:41Speaker 00

  And I'm gonna be happy. Never wanted to shave my head and run around a parking lot more.

• 5:48Speaker 00

  It was, and it was like, easy. It was fine. Everyone was so nice to me. And I was like, no, I hate this.

• 5:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I feel that. I, I mean, I, I feel like that too, when I worked in service, cuz I was a waitress for like, half a second. But that job was the worst job, or one of the worst jobs I've ever had. But I remember thinking, like, as a server, I remember thinking, like, I dealt with, like, two rude people, like, my second day. And then I thought to myself- Yeah, I gotta get out of this job like like

• 6:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:22Drew Afualo?

  The way my attitude is set up like I don't I'm not built for this like I I truly am not like.

• 6:26Speaker 00

  I can't I cannot imagine I mean and obviously because I you were already like very big when I saw you but the thought of a customer mouthing off to you as their waitress is like genuinely scary.

• 6:40Speaker 00

  Like I hope I hope they live and get to go home.

• 6:42Drew Afualo?

  Right, and I feel like people who have known me for a very long time and are still in my life now like it's funny cuz when I first blew up on TikTok my dad's like one of my dad's older brothers, my uncle. He was like talking to my dad about it and mind you, my uncle is Mormon and an elder so like he he knows my tea like he knows he knows my tea.

• 7:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:01Drew Afualo?

  Like what kind of person I am cuz he's known me since I was born. Uh but when he was talking to my dad, this is my Mormon uncle. He's telling my dad, he goes, I mean, yeah, but that that like makes sense that she would do that.

• 7:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:12Drew Afualo?

  That makes sense like she's mean for a living. Yeah, then yeah, that kind of that tracks.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  Perfectly adds up.

• 7:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that tracks. Yeah, like I'd be surprised if she wasn't doing that like she was doing something else.

• 7:20Speaker 00

  And good for her.

• 7:22Drew Afualo?

  They're just happy for me.

• 7:23Speaker 00

  You have a passion, you should follow it.

• 7:26Drew Afualo?

  I think the one of the worst jobs too I've ever had, I worked in um PR but I specifically for uh major infrastructure projects, which is a fancy word for construction. And so it was my job to go like door to door and knock and tell old people. Hey, your commute's gonna suck for the next like twenty five years. Um would you wanna get emails about that? The amount of porches that I got cussed out on like.

• 7:54Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 7:55Drew Afualo?

  Mind you, at the time, I'm like, well, see, I'm standing on your porch in a too tight blue polo on a Tuesday. I don't make these choices, big dog like.

• 8:05Speaker 00

  No, they're convinced that you do. That's the thing when you are the person giving the bad there is there is no messenger anymore and there is no shooting the messenger because when you are the person saying your commute's gonna suck. You're the girl who decided that. You're the girl who's gonna dig up the road.

• 8:23Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 8:24Speaker 00

  You're the girl who wants everyone to suffer.

• 8:26Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 8:27Speaker 00

  You know what I mean?

• 8:27Drew Afualo?

  Obviously, obviously.

• 8:28Speaker 00

  That's just how it works for customer service.

• 8:31Drew Afualo?

  What's like a customer service experience that was negative that you think about to this day and you're like that was the worst thing I've ever

• 8:36Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 8:36Drew Afualo?

  Gone through.

• 8:37Speaker 00

  Babe, I talked about this earlier. I saw you deliver pizzas and that was like. Yeah, so you can imagine. Oh, and like in the boonies, by the way, like I live in like a town and I would drive past the truck stop out of the town.

• 8:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 8:52Speaker 00

  To bring people pizza in the country.

• 8:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 8:54Speaker 00

  And I.

• 8:56Drew Afualo?

  East Jesus nowhere.

• 8:57Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. And I went to this guy's house. It was seven P M. It's dark, but it was seven P M.

• 9:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:05Speaker 00

  And I went to the wrong address. I went to the next door neighbor.

• 9:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:09Speaker 00

  He had a ring doorbell. He had his porch light on.

• 9:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:13Speaker 00

  All the windows were open.

• 9:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:15Speaker 00

  I am wearing a uniform. I shouldn't say who.

• 9:18Drew Afualo?

  A pizza.

• 9:18Speaker 00

  A pizza uniform.

• 9:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:20Speaker 00

  I am carrying the box in front of me. My hat says pizza. I mean.

• 9:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, your identifiers are clear.

• 9:27Speaker 00

  It's very clear. I ring the doorbell and right before it opens, I hear the

• 9:32Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god.

• 9:33Speaker 00

  And he opens it, not even like a little hand, something.

• 9:37Drew Afualo?

  Like a shotgun?

• 9:38Speaker 00

  Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Like a rifle. Like, I don't even think it was a hunting rifle. And this is crazy and this is not good. There was no fight or flight. I think I literally looked at him and I said, are you fucking kidding? Are you so serious?

• 9:51Drew Afualo?

  You're so me.

• 9:51Speaker 00

  And there was a pause.

• 9:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:53Speaker 00

  But then he got embarrassed and he was like, I didn't know who you were. And I just turned around and walked away. I was like,

• 9:59Drew Afualo?

  You said.

• 10:01Speaker 00

  Am I getting pumped? Like, is this a joke?

• 10:04Drew Afualo?

  Well.

• 10:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. It was, and it, and it was embarrassing for him. And then I went, yeah, I just drove on the clock and like sat in the parking lot of the Red Roof Inn and watched TikToks for like thirty minutes after that. It's like, I don't care. Yeah. Ate the pizza.

• 10:18Drew Afualo?

  No call, no show. See you later.

• 10:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, bye.

• 10:22Drew Afualo?

  I feel like that was when my restaurant job, I've talked about a million, million times. I got kind of fired from that one too, low key. Um, because he just, he was mad at me that I wasn't gonna take more shifts over Christmas. And he was like, if you want to move up in the restaurant business, pause. Why would I want to do that?

• 10:38Speaker 00

  Why? Nobody actually wants to do that.

• 10:40Drew Afualo?

  What about me as a personality hire makes you think I want to work in this restaurant for the rest of my life? Are you out of your mind?

• 10:45Speaker 00

  Never.

• 10:46Drew Afualo?

  And, and I said, he had me train my replacement, which I didn't know was my replacement. And my replacement kept leaving in the middle of the shift to go smoke crack in the bathroom. And I'm not, that's not hyperbole. Like, that's a literal.

• 10:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. That was a daily activity. Yeah.

• 11:01Drew Afualo?

  Lane in there, the bathroom.

• 11:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:04Drew Afualo?

  Smoking meth.

• 11:04Speaker 00

  You know, I had a couple of those. What do you do?

• 11:08Drew Afualo?

  That's why I'm like, no judgment, but like, I don't think you're a good fit for the job. Like, that's just my, my gut tells me.

• 11:15Speaker 00

  You know what? I think at the, at a certain point for me, I was like, if you can flip that pizza, I do not care.

• 11:23Drew Afualo?

  I don't care anymore. I was out of my hands at this point.

• 11:26Speaker 00

  It is out of my hands. I don't get paid enough.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  To deal with that.

• 11:30Drew Afualo?

  I think about that too, especially when they have like that shoplifting rule in like retail stores and they're like, don't chase them. And I was like, well, I'm not, and I'm not going to because this company doesn't care if I live or die. I'm not gonna die for it, so.

• 11:43Speaker 00

  And I do think shoplifting is objectively funny.

• 11:48Speaker 00

  I do think it's so funny. I used to work at this, I'm not gonna name any of these stores because they're gonna call me and be like, we didn't know you were this bad. It was a store that sold just like random crap. Like you could get a couch, a bottle of wine, a colander and like a bunch of foreign snacks.

• 12:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:06Speaker 00

  All in the same store and then jewelry.

• 12:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:09Speaker 00

  And there was this jewelry display.

• 12:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:11Speaker 00

  And you know, it was like an end cap and the little things on the side. And she was like a forty year old woman, like very much grown.

• 12:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  And I was looking right at her and she had kind of just pressed her body up into the end cap and was shoveling jewelry into her purse. I let her do it. So you know what? Have fun.

• 12:32Drew Afualo?

  You know what?

• 12:32Speaker 00

  You want some help carrying that?

• 12:33Drew Afualo?

  Diva down.

• 12:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. She did not care.

• 12:35Drew Afualo?

  Hey, take this too, while you're at it.

• 12:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. Do you want some wine? I'll go grab it for you. I have some recommendations. If you like a zen fendo.

• 12:43Drew Afualo?

  Well, again, like what are you supposed to do? Like what, that's when they want you to be Batman. I'm not doing that.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  Oh, hell no. No.

• 12:51Drew Afualo?

  I, yeah, no, hey, no, I don't want no problems.

• 12:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I'm out.

• 12:56Speaker 00

  I will say it's interesting, like in the job I've been, because I kept my day job still, like I, TikTok was absolutely paying good, but I get superstitious.

• 13:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I feel you.

• 13:05Speaker 00

  You know what I mean?

• 13:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 13:06Speaker 00

  Like, I feel like if you quit the day job too early, that's when your life, or the whole thing like comes tumbling down.

• 13:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

• 13:13Speaker 00

  You know what I mean?

• 13:13Drew Afualo?

  It's smart. It's smart to do that.

• 13:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, but now it's. You know, I work in antiques. So if stuff gets stolen, the person who was selling it is going to come in and try to take your skin off. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like, it's, yeah, it's not like, oh, corporate, mark it off the clipboard. It's like, how dare you not die?

• 13:34Drew Afualo?

  How could you?

• 13:35Speaker 00

  How could you? Yeah, you did it.

• 13:38Drew Afualo?

  You know how much that means to me. You said, oh, me working in the store for minimum wage. Okay.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  Oh, less than.

• 13:45Drew Afualo?

  So much less than.

• 13:48Speaker 00

  And by the way, Texas minimum wage, I don't know if you know this, seven twenty-five. It's crazy. I mean, I don't know what it is anywhere else, but.

• 13:54Drew Afualo?

  Nice, nice. Well, not livable, that's for sure. And anywhere in the country.

• 14:01Drew Afualo?

  I mean, according to the government, it's actually probably pretty easy.

• 14:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I tried. It did not work.

• 14:08Drew Afualo?

  So how has your life been since TikTok? Since you've kind of like started growing rapidly?

• 14:14Speaker 00

  Ah, it's been cool. Well, and you know what I think is really good? I feel like most people who have seen my videos have seen like one really big one. And I can tell by what they say when they come up, I'm either a food bank lady, which.

• 14:30Speaker 00

  Let's think before we talk. Food bank lady is diabolical. That is a crazy thing to call someone. But it's like food bank lady, or I don't even know what the other one, I don't remember what the other ones are. But anyways, it has been slower. Like, some people, I mean, millions overnight, and that's good when that happens, like, and people can make a lot out of it. I don't think I would have done that. If I got like a million followers overnight, I think I would have crashed out in a really crazy way.

• 14:58Drew Afualo?

  Your head would be bald and you would be running in a parking lot.

• 15:00Speaker 00

  Oh, multiple parking lots, back and forth, in the seven eleven.

• 15:06Drew Afualo?

  Lot of ground in one night.

• 15:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it's been cool. I feel like there's this term that like people throw around sometimes, gay famous. Where like gay people in any given city, a couple of them will probably know who you are.

• 15:19Drew Afualo?

  If it helps, I'm also gay famous.

• 15:22Speaker 00

  That's the best way to do it.

• 15:24Drew Afualo?

  I love it. Absolutely.

• 15:26Speaker 00

  Because when everyone else gets involved, it just gets weird.

• 15:28Drew Afualo?

  Right, yeah.

• 15:29Speaker 00

  They want you to look like a newscaster. You can't say fun stuff anymore. I couldn't say, you know, you can't say things like shoplifting is funny.

• 15:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 15:40Drew Afualo?

  Right. And you know what? If it, if it helps, even at this point in my career, I still get, literally, this is not a joke. Last night, I was at an Arowan, which is fucking terrible, but like I was, you know, killing time. So I was like, well, let me stop in here and spend six dollars on a one soda.

• 15:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:56Drew Afualo?

  So I go in there, obviously, because I hate myself. And then I buy every, I, I grab a couple of things. I'm checking out. The girl's checking me out. And then she looks at me and she goes, are you on TikTok? And then I go, yeah. And then she goes, right. You're the girl, the girl who, uh, who's like, you're like really fucking mean to men, right? And then I go, yeah, that's me. She goes, I knew it.

• 16:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:18Drew Afualo?

  And then she gave me my, my groceries. So like, even now, like people will call me, I've had someone call me Tefi, which.

• 16:23Speaker 00

  Oh, crazy.

• 16:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:25Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 16:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Based off build alone. I don't know how you could ever confuse us, but just face like.

• 16:31Speaker 00

  Not at all.

• 16:32Drew Afualo?

  Not even close. Like, like literally not even close. And she was looking me in the eyes and calling me Tefi. And I said, and I had to go, what'd you call me?

• 16:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:39Drew Afualo?

  And then she felt embarrassed and then made me stand there while she tried to figure out who I was. So if that makes you feel any better, that happened like two months ago. So.

• 16:48Drew Afualo?

  Like it really never leaves that kind of, wait, I know you. Wait, hold on.

• 16:53Speaker 00

  If they don't say TikTok right away.

• 16:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:55Speaker 00

  Or at any point in your career. Cause I feel like now it's kind of different, but.

• 16:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:59Speaker 00

  Was there like a point in time where if they wouldn't say TikTok, they'd be like, I know you from somewhere.

• 17:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:04Speaker 00

  Would you be coy and be like, maybe we met at a party or something?

• 17:08Drew Afualo?

  There have been times where I've said like, I don't know, maybe I just have one of those faces. And it's mostly because I know that they know.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:16Drew Afualo?

  But they're trying to play out a fanfic with me. So they're like, I feel like I've seen you somewhere. Where could it be?

• 17:22Speaker 00

  What you think it is?

• 17:23Drew Afualo?

  I know it is because when they do that, and then I go, yeah, I don't know. They'll still stand there and be like, wait, I think I do. I had one woman. And this is no Tino shade to her. She's in her forties.

• 17:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:35Drew Afualo?

  And she looks at me and goes, did we go to school together?

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• 18:44Drew Afualo?

  Well.

• 18:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, at that point, I would have dropped the bet really fast. I would have been like, you know me from your phone.

• 18:52Drew Afualo?

  And I said, yeah, I don't think so. Considering you're about 20 years older than me, I don't think so.

• 18:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, don't play with me like that. That's despicable.

• 19:00Drew Afualo?

  Well, that feels mean to me. And then I told her, I was like, no, I don't think so. And then she was like, hmm, it's still standing there forever. And I go, maybe you've seen me somewhere. I kind of, sometimes I have those, I kind of have that face. No, that's not it. And then at the end, I go, from TikTok, probably? And then she goes, that's right, I'm a huge fan. That's how it always ends. So that's how I know you're not being for real. When you say that to me.

• 19:24Speaker 00

  No way.

• 19:25Drew Afualo?

  I'm a huge fan. I love your stuff. I love your co- Okay, why did you make me play that game of Guess Who?

• 19:30Speaker 00

  That's crazy. I'm a hu- I'm a huge fan. It's like a Sphinx riddle. Like, what is that? Why do that?

• 19:37Drew Afualo?

  Why did you walk me that long ass way? We could have cut it in half, bitch.

• 19:41Speaker 00

  Oh, it could have been so quick.

• 19:42Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 19:43Speaker 00

  And I would have done a picture. I'll sign your boobs. Whatever you want to do. Like, I don't care.

• 19:47Drew Afualo?

  It's okay.

• 19:47Speaker 00

  Get to it.

• 19:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I've had, I've had some people, like, I've had some crazy ass interactions. I actually just said this on, on my other podcast with my sister. But someone said to me, well, actually, they made a video about me, which is like, kind of worse, but not. And she was like, yeah, you know. I love Drew, I'm a huge fan, like, I think she's so wonderful, blah blah blah. And she goes, but something I really love about her is like, I have really fucked up teeth, that's what she says, I have really fucked up teeth. And when I see Drew smiling and laughing with her mouth open, it makes me feel really, really good about myself. So if she can do that, so can I.

• 20:30Drew Afualo?

  And what if I told you I was sandwiching a gun between my fucked up teeth and what?

• 20:34Speaker 00

  Right, right, what if I told you?

• 20:36Drew Afualo?

  This video in particular, then what?

• 20:38Speaker 00

  Crazy, crazy.

• 20:41Drew Afualo?

  Stuff like that?

• 20:42Speaker 00

  Um.

• 20:43Drew Afualo?

  Like, stuff that's meant to be, it's meant to be a compliment, it's meant to be love, right?

• 20:48Speaker 00

  And I'm gonna look at the camera when I say this.

• 20:49Drew Afualo?

  Please do.

• 20:50Speaker 00

  Cause I want them to know I'm being genuine. I appreciate the effort.

• 20:53Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 20:54Speaker 00

  But sometimes y'all draw me. And it's a little upsetting.

• 20:59Drew Afualo?

  Trust me when I, trust me when I say I know.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  You've been drawn.

• 21:02Drew Afualo?

  Oh, girl, I can't even, I showed one to my cousin. And he's very, he's very like theatrical with his reactions.

• 21:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:10Drew Afualo?

  So his, his gift of hyperbole is big. When I showed him, he went, oh, like that.

• 21:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:16Drew Afualo?

  Like horror.

• 21:17Speaker 00

  And it's.

• 21:18Drew Afualo?

  And that's how I felt when I saw it, so like.

• 21:21Speaker 00

  And I feel like, cause here's, I will say this, I had one interaction, it was actually really similar to, it was getting my name wrong, mixing it with someone else.

• 21:29Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 21:29Speaker 00

  And I'm sure you know. And it was, it was at a bar.

• 21:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:32Speaker 00

  And I also like, did kind of work it out with this girl, cause it pissed me off. But we're at this karaoke bar, like, in my town.

• 21:40Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 21:40Speaker 00

  And, and I normally don't even go to any of those bars, I like actually going to Dallas.

• 21:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:44Speaker 00

  Um, but, I'm like, a little drunk. And she, I found out later, was drunk.

• 21:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:52Speaker 00

  And her and her friend walk up, and they stand right in front of me, and they go, are you Blizzy McGuire? And I was like. No.

• 22:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no.

• 22:02Speaker 00

  And then they kept insisting that I was. And then I was, I think what I really said, I thi- I, it was bad. I was like, you need to get out of here. Like, it was quick. All I remember-

• 22:12Drew Afualo?

  For your sake and mine?

• 22:14Speaker 00

  I blacked out and I remember the finger flick. And I, and that was mean. And I felt bad about it. And we ended up squashing the beef and da-da-da.

• 22:22Drew Afualo?

  That's good.

• 22:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:23Drew Afualo?

  But still, it's, and would you believe me if I told you I've had an exact reaction, like an exact interaction like that? Where they confused me with someone else, but then insisted that I was?

• 22:35Speaker 00

  Insisted it was you.

• 22:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, and, and it was two girls, again, they were sisters, um, and one of them, I don't even remember what she was calling me. She was just like, she was like, oh, I know you, I'm a huge fan, which I just assumed she's talking about me, right? Cause she says that to me.

• 22:49Speaker 00

  Right.

• 22:49Drew Afualo?

  And then she goes, yeah, and she calls me something else. And I go, I go, oh, oh, I'm not, whoever you just said, I'm not her.

• 22:56Speaker 00

  No.

• 22:57Drew Afualo?

  And then she goes, no, you are her, you are. You are, I know you are. And she was like, wait, no, it's fine. Like, I'm not gonna tell anyone.

• 23:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:05Drew Afualo?

  And I, and I feel uncomfortable. Like, I'm almost like, oh, well. And then her sister comes up and she goes, that's not fucking her, dude, it's not. And she goes, no, it is, it is her. She just doesn't want people to know. And they're having this interaction in front of me? And then I go, I'm gonna stop you right there. I'm not who you're saying. I've never heard of that person, but I hope you guys have a good night. Cause I was getting annoyed. Cause I was like-

• 23:25Speaker 00

  That's nice, though.

• 23:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, please don't-

• 23:27Speaker 00

  You handle that well.

• 23:28Drew Afualo?

  Well, I had a lot of practice, is my point.

• 23:30Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:31Drew Afualo?

  Like, I, I think if they had caught me a couple of years ago, it probably wouldn't have been as, as like, you know? Um, I even at Coachella, I think, two years ago, I went to an event, one of those fuck ass parties. And I was wearing a wig. So I had a pink wig on. And I'm walking around, and then someone comes up to me and they're like, no fucking way. No way, dude. It's a man, which red flags immediately.

• 23:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:55Drew Afualo?

  Straight men? Yeah, they don't, they don't approach me in a fan fashion, right? And so I'm like, what? And he goes, I'm a huge fan, dude. I fucking love your stuff. I go, really?

• 24:07Speaker 00

  This has gotta be wrong.

• 24:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And, and that right there, I was like, I think you're thinking of someone else. And then someone else comes up. And he's like, who are you talking to? And he goes, it's fucking shy girl, dude. And I go, oh, I'm not, I'm not, you think I'm shy, I'm not shy.

• 24:25Speaker 00

  You gotta go across the pond.

• 24:28Drew Afualo?

  I was like, oh, no, I'm not shy girl. And he goes, you're not? And I go, no. He goes, oh, and he just turned to the left. Which fierce.

• 24:35Speaker 00

  Right.

• 24:36Drew Afualo?

  You, you read me. Okay.

• 24:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, you kinda, you kinda handled that like a diva. You know what I mean?

• 24:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you, you queened out at the end. I'll, I'll give you that. That made it funny.

• 24:44Speaker 00

  You did.

• 24:44Drew Afualo?

  But I was like, huh? Like.

• 24:46Speaker 00

  Crazy, crazy. But at the same time, it does kinda, I don't know, like, I'll definitely be a bitch about things all the time at the drop of a hat.

• 24:55Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 24:55Speaker 00

  That's also one of those things where I'm like, I don't know, like, you know, I mean, me in particular, most people, if they see me at all, they see me for like, two seconds a day.

• 25:06Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 25:07Speaker 00

  So I'm like, I don't know, I can't really blame you.

• 25:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, same, same.

• 25:09Speaker 00

  But I think it's, it's mostly when it's like, you for yourself, like, okay, you called me Blizzy McGuire. I know exactly what the commonality is.

• 25:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 25:20Speaker 00

  Well, I remembered what I said to her, but it was actually really bad. I don't know if you can keep it on here.

• 25:24Drew Afualo?

  It's, it's up to you. We can cut it too.

• 25:26Speaker 00

  I looked at her and I said, wrong tranny.

• 25:32Drew Afualo?

  And you want, you know what? You are within your right to say it.

• 25:35Speaker 00

  Right.

• 25:36Drew Afualo?

  And that's how I felt about the Tefi comment.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:38Drew Afualo?

  I was like, you, you just see another brown girl and you're like, I know her.

• 25:41Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 25:42Drew Afualo?

  Even though we look nothing alike.

• 25:43Speaker 00

  Literally nothing.

• 25:44Drew Afualo?

  Honestly, the shy girl thing, it's the same. Like, it's the fucking same.

• 25:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:47Drew Afualo?

  It's another not white girl that you're like, wait, wait, I fucking know this bitch. Wait a second. I know this fucking bitch. And then he goes, you're not? No? Oh.

• 25:58Speaker 00

  Crazy. I will say this, straight guy into shy girl, what's up with that?

• 26:04Drew Afualo?

  Hey, um, I have a couple of follow up questions.

• 26:06Speaker 00

  I, I do. Actually, come back.

• 26:09Drew Afualo?

  Let's talk about this.

• 26:10Speaker 00

  No, wait, can I ask?

• 26:11Drew Afualo?

  Please do.

• 26:12Speaker 00

  Do men ever come up to you and like, try to start?

• 26:16Drew Afualo?

  Like shit with me?

• 26:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, like in public.

• 26:18Drew Afualo?

  Um, no, honestly, no. Like, most of the time when I've had straight men approach me, it's like on behalf of their girlfriends or wives. And they're like, my wife is a huge fan, but she's too nervous. Like,

• 26:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:31Drew Afualo?

  Can you take a picture with her? Which I think is really sweet. Um, and then I, sometimes I've had men be like, man, I love, oh, in the gas station the other day, I was fucking looking for shit.

• 26:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:41Drew Afualo?

  I was like, Brittany, just kidding. She got embarrassed. That's why I had to say it. And my makeup artist just dropped some stuff.

• 26:50Speaker 00

  Get her.

• 26:50Drew Afualo?

  Get her, get her. Uh, yeah, I was in the gas station the other day and I was like looking for snacks and this guy was kind of following me around and it was annoying me. Cause I just anytime I'm like, what? Every time men are like around me. And he was like, if you are who I think you are, you're fucking awesome, man. And I said, oh, thanks. And he left me alone. So like, that's like the straightest guy interaction I'll have outside of like asking, but. I have said before, the only time I've had a guy like kind of press me was not really because of my content, cause quite frankly, I don't think he knew who I was at all up until. But I did like one of those creator things, like conventions or whatever. And I was on a panel with him.

• 27:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:28Drew Afualo?

  But I always say, he was a white guy with dreads. So, you know, should have known.

• 27:33Speaker 00

  The expectation is through the floor.

• 27:34Drew Afualo?

  Right, right. Like, yeah, you're awful. I can tell. Um, just based off looks, I can tell. Uh, and he, he was running the panel, but he was so rude and it was like me. Uh, my friend, Koda Steven, he was on there and then another, another guy from TikTok, his name is escaping me. But we were all the only people of color. They, it was the white guy with dreads and then other white guys. And he kept like only talking to them. And it was pissing me off, right? Because they're all YouTube people like, but I've never seen them. I, I grew up on YouTube. I watched YouTube for a long time.

• 28:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:08Drew Afualo?

  Never seen them, but you know, they feel like they have this like hierarchy over us.

• 28:11Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Well, because they're like the elders of the internet.

• 28:15Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. Which, and they hate short form. Like they hate TikTok, like they hate that, whatever, right? And we're all on the panel for a reason, obviously. And quite frankly, everyone in that audience only knew the TikTokers. So like, you guys are talking a lot of shit and no, no one here knows you, right?

• 28:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:31Drew Afualo?

  Including me.

• 28:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:33Drew Afualo?

  And I started getting annoyed. So I started like, I like literally started taking control of the panel. So like when you would ask, someone would answer and I'd be like, that was a great answer. What do you think, Koda? Like I would start passing, I started like throwing it to, to other people. Cause I'm like, we want to fucking talk too. Like I don't want to sit here and watch you guys jerk each other off.

• 28:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, who would? Nobody wants, please.

• 28:52Drew Afualo?

  Do that upstairs in the hotel.

• 28:53Speaker 00

  Zip that up.

• 28:55Drew Afualo?

  And then later on, it was funny because the the teams of the kids I was like helping like the the other dudes that were with me. They were like, thank you so much. Like that my client was really nervous and like they they felt like big bodied by these dudes and I was making sure they could talk to and I was like, yeah. It was like you were watching my content in real life, like you were watching it happen. Like I'm like protecting them. I ran into him later on at like a an event and he was kind of drunk. So he's feeling brave, you know? And that's when he he was like, I thought you hated all men. Mind you, we're about to get on a roller coaster. The Velocicoaster to be exact in Florida, which is, I think I saw God when I went on that roller coaster.

• 29:32Speaker 00

  And he's getting on it.

• 29:33Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  Tipsy.

• 29:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 29:35Drew Afualo?

  And he's like, he turns around, that you fucking hated all men. And then I go, I do.

• 29:40Speaker 00

  What what does that have to do with you being on the roller coaster at the same time?

• 29:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, because he just wanted to press me because he was feeling brave, right? And he's drunk.

• 29:47Speaker 00

  Right.

• 29:48Drew Afualo?

  And his wife or girlfriend, whoever was with him, she kept going, stop, stop, stop. Like you could tell she knew that he was gonna wait. He wanted to take the opportunity.

• 29:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:56Drew Afualo?

  Mind you, I'm with my man. So like, and that's why he said that. My man's a big dude too.

• 30:00Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 30:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  That sounds like an even worse.

• 30:06Speaker 00

  Hey, let me not just talk shit to this girl. Let me do it in front of her jacked boyfriend.

• 30:12Drew Afualo?

  Right. And so my man, my man saying that that's why he said that to me. And I go, I do. And he goes, well, who's this? I go, my boyfriend at the time.

• 30:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:20Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, my boyfriend? And he goes, oh, like, I don't know. What did you think? It was my fucking brother? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like? And then he goes, ah. And then he he you could tell he wants to talk more shit, but he's feeling like a little nervy now.

• 30:31Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah.

• 30:31Drew Afualo?

  Cause I'm not backing down. Like, like, I'm sure you don't either. And so like, when men press me, nothing motivates me more.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:38Drew Afualo?

  We're looking in each other in the eyes, girl.

• 30:40Speaker 00

  I will tell you, that is like the number one thing. I can be so nervous. And I I don't know that this is a good thing, actually. I'm gonna say this out loud and I'm gonna realize that this is a problem. But I can be nervous about anything in front of an audience, whatever. If one person starts a legitimate problem, that like the spite will pull me right through it.

• 31:01Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 31:02Speaker 00

  And the switch comes on.

• 31:03Drew Afualo?

  So me. Same, same, fucking same. Like, especially if I feel like. Like they're being unjustly awful for no reason.

• 31:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:11Drew Afualo?

  Nothing motivates me more. My, the way my prey drive, my pupils dilate. You know what I'm saying? They get huge immediately.

• 31:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:18Drew Afualo?

  And I'm, and I have no fear. And I've told people before, that's not a good thing. Like, especially when I was younger, I had literally no fear at all. I, and I, like, I've, like, grown men, I've, like, fought over women, like, them being disrespectful to women.

• 31:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:31Drew Afualo?

  And I'm not proud of it. I'm just, I'm proud of what I did. I'm not proud of how I handled it. But it is sometimes, they don't respond to anything else.

• 31:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:40Drew Afualo?

  It's almost like you gotta out crazy them.

• 31:42Speaker 00

  No, for sure.

• 31:43Drew Afualo?

  Like, you gotta start eating grass or some shit, like, when they're looking at you, like, that's the only way.

• 31:46Speaker 00

  Truly. That's always the approach that I hear. I had a friend, she, when I was living in New York for a little bit, she was up in Harlem. I was in Brooklyn.

• 31:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 31:54Speaker 00

  And, you know, she would, like, have to walk back to her, and men, like, men in New York will just truly say anything to you every step of the way.

• 32:03Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 32:03Speaker 00

  Welcome to the Big Apple, whatever. And she tells me, she was like, oh, yeah, well, if I am getting off the train late at night, I will take my shoes off. Already crazy.

• 32:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 32:14Speaker 00

  And then do this, like, crab walk and laugh the whole way back. And I was like, you're full of shit. And she did it. She ran like two blocks ahead of me and then came back doing the whole gig.

• 32:26Drew Afualo?

  I'll show you my technique right now. Nothing makes them leave me alone faster.

• 32:29Speaker 00

  Oh, and you know what? I mean, truly, the sidewalk parted. Like the Red Sea. Like, it was, it was efficient.

• 32:36Drew Afualo?

  It's a fool, it's, it's, yeah, it's a foolproof plan.

• 32:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:39Drew Afualo?

  I've told people before on TikTok, like, when I got older and I started realizing, like, okay, maybe that's not the best thing to do is to, like, physically press people. I should retire that version of me.

• 32:48Speaker 00

  Right.

• 32:48Drew Afualo?

  Right? It's dangerous, I know. Um, I started adopting new, I tried to find new ways to get out of that shit, like, being objectified or whatever. And I have taught people on TikTok, something that works for me is to just be like, what? When they say it. Like, you genuinely can't hear. And then they're gonna say it, and you gotta keep going. I said, the furthest they've ever gone with me is three. And, like, you gotta say what loud and, and to draw attention, so everybody's looking. And then the more, they're like, I said, I said that, I said that your ass looks, I said it looks fat. Like, they get less confident as the more they have to repeat it.

• 33:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:21Drew Afualo?

  And then once they say it again, you'll be like, oh. And that's it. Then turn around and leave. They're so confused. They feel embarrassed. It's like a smoke bomb and they can run in the other direction. It's a safer way to do it.

• 33:33Speaker 00

  I feel like so many times it's like, I don't, I don't know what the expectation is.

• 33:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 33:39Speaker 00

  Because I, I don't remember who it was and I don't, I would not recommend this either, but it was some girl who like, she is walking around, she's got a camera on her and she gets catcalled and she turns on, she goes, yeah, come fuck me. Like just crazy.

• 33:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no.

• 33:55Speaker 00

  And he got so scared, he ran away. And I'm like.

• 33:58Drew Afualo?

  It's to each their own. That's why I think like.

• 34:01Speaker 00

  Don't do that. Nobody should, don't, nobody should ever do that. That is a terrible idea.

• 34:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I think the crab walk is far more efficient.

• 34:07Speaker 00

  I think the crab walk is really, I mean, and it's a workout.

• 34:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, right. You're getting strong quads.

• 34:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, inner thigh, something. I do not work out. I'll tell you that now.

• 34:19Drew Afualo?

  But you're a tall queen.

• 34:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:21Drew Afualo?

  Kay's a tall queen like me.

• 34:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:23Drew Afualo?

  You're actually a lot taller than me.

• 34:24Speaker 00

  We were talking about that before. I thought you were gonna be like.

• 34:27Drew Afualo?

  Itty bitty.

• 34:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:28Drew Afualo?

  Oh no, girl. I will say though, the more you go like, uh, cause I know you're gonna keep ascending in this. Uh, the more people you meet, everybody's fucking this big. Everybody and their mom is this big. Except drag queens. Every drag queen I, I know, Trixie was just here. Um, she's like, fucking six, three, like she's tall as fuck. Caleb's really tall. Monet's tall. Shay is so fucking tall.

• 34:54Speaker 00

  Shay I would expect.

• 34:55Drew Afualo?

  Even, even Katia's kinda tall too. Like Katia's like, uh, she is like about my height, I would say, like six feet. So like, I'm like, eh, no wonder I, I feel so at home.

• 35:04Speaker 00

  Right, right, right.

• 35:05Drew Afualo?

  With my sisters.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  You know what I will say? I thought, I would have assumed Trixie and Katia were both short and I've seen them, I've seen their live show in person. And I still like, would have been like, no, they're tiny.

• 35:17Drew Afualo?

  No, Trixie's tall as fuck. Like that's why, like, it's, it's crazy. And when she's in drag, she's even bigger. Cause she has even, cause you know, she's enormous, obviously.

• 35:24Speaker 00

  Scraping the ceiling.

• 35:25Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly. And that's me too. That's why I'm like, every room I go into, I'm like Shaquille O'Neal.

• 35:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:30Drew Afualo?

  Every fucking room I go into.

• 35:32Speaker 00

  Absolutely. It feels good. Yeah. I used to, I used to not like it as much, but then I was just like, I don't know, it's funny.

• 35:37Drew Afualo?

  Me too. I, I used to, I used to fucking hate being tall when I was younger. I used to hate being tall. Now I love being tall, so I always wear heels, always wear a platform, which I'm grateful for, because I used to fucking hate it so much. I used to wish. Even when I, my doctor told me, I think when I was like a freshman in high school, he was like, oh, your growth plates are pretty much closed, like. You'll, you'll probably stop growing. At the time I was five, seven. And I was like, do you promise? Cause I was like so sick of making.

• 36:03Speaker 00

  Can you put that in writing?

• 36:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I need that in blood. I need that in oath from you. And uh, get this, kept growing. What the fuck? But I was five four when I was ten, so I'm like, I, you know.

• 36:13Speaker 00

  It was kind of.

• 36:13Drew Afualo?

  It was in the cards for me.

• 36:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, for sure.

• 36:16Drew Afualo?

  When I was like taller than my mom at ten, yeah. It's in the stars for me, girl.

• 36:21Speaker 00

  Like, yeah, I think that chicken is cooked. And there'll be times where I'd be like, can someone just take me out of the kneecaps? Something, something.

• 36:30Drew Afualo?

  I know, I want the reverse of that surgery that short guys are getting to go from five, three to five, seven.

• 36:35Speaker 00

  I will tell you, there is nothing that could ever make that worth it for me.

• 36:39Drew Afualo?

  No, and also to five, seven?

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• 37:18Drew Afualo?

  Come on, girl. Just stay five, three. Just stay five, three.

• 37:21Speaker 00

  If five, seven is not gonna fix your problems.

• 37:22Drew Afualo?

  It's really not. It's like, it's, you know, it's really, you're, it's the lesser of two evils, I guess. But like, you're still five, seven, so.

• 37:31Speaker 00

  Plus, I feel like. Short guys who just are not pissy about it.

• 37:37Drew Afualo?

  I say that all the time.

• 37:38Speaker 00

  That's the ticket.

• 37:39Drew Afualo?

  I say that all the time. I was like, it's when short guys don't make it your problem that they're short, that no one can tell they're short.

• 37:46Speaker 00

  And it's not even that. It's like they're cute. Like y'all are cute. I don't know why you're so angry right now. But it just happens like, and five eight, I'm like, uh, most people are like five eight.

• 37:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  And I should know that because I'm up here all the time. Like, I don't know why you're pissed about five eight and saying six foot.

• 38:03Drew Afualo?

  Girl, please. Well, I'm looking down at you, so I doubt it.

• 38:06Speaker 00

  I doubt it.

• 38:07Drew Afualo?

  I doubt it. Yeah. And I always tell people, I'm like, no, I'm, I'm for, I'm a for real six feet. I'm not like, I'm not like men who say they're five, seven and they round up.

• 38:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:15Drew Afualo?

  I'm a for real six feet. I'm a big bitch. Like,

• 38:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:17Drew Afualo?

  I mean that. So like every, every time, even someone said when I, when I first interviewed The Rock.

• 38:24Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 38:24Drew Afualo?

  Someone was like, I've always known you were tall because you've said it, but seeing you stand next to The Rock and look normal sized, whatever that means. Another one of those love hate comments.

• 38:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:34Drew Afualo?

  Uh, really put it into perspective for me. I'm like, yeah, because he's like six, five and everyone he stands next to is this big. So obviously he looks

• 38:42Speaker 00

  Right.

• 38:42Drew Afualo?

  gargantuan next to everyone.

• 38:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:44Drew Afualo?

  But me, I'm like above his shoulder.

• 38:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:47Drew Afualo?

  So they're like, wow, you are cute.

• 38:54Drew Afualo?

  Speaking of short guys, um, and or angry short guys, I'll say.

• 38:57Speaker 00

  Right.

• 38:57Drew Afualo?

  Bad short guys.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 38:58Drew Afualo?

  Do you get a lot of hate?

• 39:01Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 39:02Drew Afualo?

  I'm curious.

• 39:02Speaker 00

  I'm gonna find some wood to knock on later, just bookmark that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, um, no.

• 39:09Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's good. I'm so glad.

• 39:11Speaker 00

  Don't, I never have.

• 39:12Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I'm so glad to hear that. That's so awesome.

• 39:14Speaker 00

  Well, I feel like there's some kind of curse in the air.

• 39:19Drew Afualo?

  Hmm.

• 39:20Speaker 00

  The few people who have like really made it a point, the endings on the internet for them have been catastrophic. And have had nothing to do with me. Had nothing to do with me.

• 39:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 39:30Speaker 00

  And I have sat back and watched it a couple of times and it's never, you know, people are allowed to feel however they want.

• 39:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 00

  And like, you want to call me like a bitch or something else like?

• 39:39Drew Afualo?

  Oh, girl, get in line, you know?

• 39:40Speaker 00

  Get truly get in line. I could sell. Tickets for that. I could sell popcorn, I could sell t-shirts.

• 39:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, one thing we can agree on is that, that's true.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  And that I almost feel like I don't really consider hate.

• 39:51Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 39:52Speaker 00

  Because there, you know, I mean, that word like, I, there was some British publication that like described me as bitchy. And it was like a term of endearment. And I was like, whatever, I'll take that.

• 40:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 40:03Speaker 00

  But, yeah, I don't know. I feel like the internet has genuinely treated me really nicely, especially for like a trans girl. Or for, you know, for anyone who is not like a cis straight white woman doing cooking videos.

• 40:18Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 40:18Speaker 00

  Like, they are waiting for a reason to clap you like crazy.

• 40:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, girl, don't I fucking know it?

• 40:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:26Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 40:26Speaker 00

  Everybody is always.

• 40:28Drew Afualo?

  Praying on it.

• 40:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I've seen it happen with so many other girls to where somebody can absolutely fuck up online or in their personal life.

• 40:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 40:38Speaker 00

  And people can have feelings about that, but it comes to a point with a lot of the reactions where you know that this is the, I always knew she was awful.

• 40:45Drew Afualo?

  Girl, and you know what? I will say too, I've seen your videos on takes like that. And I, what I admire a lot about you, first of all, I can tell you're really fucking smart. That's, and most, and most funny people are like, anyone who's genuinely very funny, they're very smart. And you are very smart.

• 41:00Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 41:01Drew Afualo?

  And which I could tell just based off your humor, but like your takes are so nuanced, like they're very grounded in reality. Which the world is not black and white. So it's like, it's important to acknowledge that sometimes two things can be true at once.

• 41:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:14Drew Afualo?

  Sometimes people can fuck up and own up, and then sometimes you're dragging it, like.

• 41:18Speaker 00

  Sometimes you're dragging.

• 41:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, sometimes you're dragging it, girl. And it's for views and it's for the opportunity to be like, I always knew it. I've always hated her. I've always had a bad feeling. Which like, what are the odds? All of you, every single time? I've always had a bad feeling every single time?

• 41:31Speaker 00

  I see the way you live your life. You are not psychic. Would be better.

• 41:34Drew Afualo?

  And if you are, you're using it for evil.

• 41:37Speaker 00

  Truly.

• 41:38Drew Afualo?

  You're not using it to better your own life.

• 41:39Speaker 00

  Wrong shit. What are you doing?

• 41:42Drew Afualo?

  No, for real.

• 41:43Speaker 00

  You know, and I just. I don't know. I also, yeah, I mean, a lot of the hate about myself I've seen is truly people being on Twitter. Willing to just say, she's annoying and I don't like her. And that, I'm like, that's fine. I don't.

• 41:58Drew Afualo?

  The amount of times I've said that too, I'm like, that's fair. If you feel that way.

• 42:01Speaker 00

  No, truly.

• 42:02Drew Afualo?

  Like, that's your opinion.

• 42:02Speaker 00

  Cause annoying is genuinely not a crime. You know what I mean?

• 42:06Drew Afualo?

  Like, actually, it's not illegal.

• 42:07Speaker 00

  Again, I'm not going to the glue factory for that.

• 42:11Drew Afualo?

  No matter how badly you guys want it to be illegal. Or a cancelable offense, like.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  It's not.

• 42:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I call that the curse of annoying. Like, there are some creators that have the curse of annoying, which is like, and I'll tell you who I'm talking about offline. But there are people who have genuinely never done anything wrong. People just don't like them. Like, and, and they've made up their minds, to which I'm like, okay. There are people I hate on the internet too.

• 42:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:35Drew Afualo?

  What I do is I don't consume their content. That's what I do. Like, I don't look at them ever because I don't like them.

• 42:41Speaker 00

  I don't like looking at their face.

• 42:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I don't like looking at them. I don't like hearing from them. I sure as fuck don't want to get anything from them, like content, takes, whatever.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:48Drew Afualo?

  So that's where I'm like, and you're dragging it. Cause like.

• 42:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:51Drew Afualo?

  Annoying people, people, I, I, and I think there's like, a fair amount of autonomy and being like. Yeah, I don't really like that person. And sometimes I have to like, unpack why.

• 43:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:01Drew Afualo?

  Sometimes I have to sit with myself and be like, am I being a hater or is this valid?

• 43:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:05Drew Afualo?

  And I wish more people would do that.

• 43:07Speaker 00

  And, and you know, I mean, for me, it's like. I don't know. Like, I don't even think everybody, you don't need to fucking explain. I don't, I don't need any of y'all to think about why. Like, if you do not like my shit, that's fine. I don't know who you are.

• 43:19Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? You don't know who I am.

• 43:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 43:21Speaker 00

  But.

• 43:21Drew Afualo?

  It's none of my business, quite frankly.

• 43:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, the few times someone has tried to drop, like, a hot tank about me and I've responded to it, it's been nasty.

• 43:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 43:32Speaker 00

  And then the few times I haven't responded to it, things have just gotten nasty for them later. So truly, you know, either I can take care of it or God will.

• 43:40Drew Afualo?

  One thing the universe doesn't do is play about me, bitch.

• 43:42Speaker 00

  Right.

• 43:43Drew Afualo?

  I'll tell you that.

• 43:43Speaker 00

  Right.

• 43:44Drew Afualo?

  And that's, and that's one of those things, like, when I talked, when I talked about those fucking kids on the podcast who, who brought me up for no goddamn reason.

• 43:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, that was a huge.

• 43:54Drew Afualo?

  Girl. Girl, and most and none of it was procured by me. I didn't, I didn't do shit. They brought me up, they talked shit on me, someone caught it, clipped it, put it on TikTok. And then what's funny is they buried that in a two and a half hour long podcast episode.

• 44:13Speaker 00

  Was it like closer to the end?

• 44:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it was like at hour forty-five. So like they, and I, and that's why in my response to them, I was like, you, you genuinely never thought I was gonna see this. Like you thought if they, if someone did see it, it would be someone who would agree with you. But unlike you, I have birds stationed everywhere. I have sleeper soldiers everywhere, bitch. I say, I say something, an incantation, they're like, they come and they work for me.

• 44:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, rub the crystal ball. And all of a sudden.

• 44:44Drew Afualo?

  Right, they activate. They, they turn on and they accomplish their missions. You know?

• 44:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I don't know. I think there is like a type of person who in a technical sense is really dedicated to content creation. And like will absolutely put in the time, will edit their stuff, will get the equipment, will sit in front of a camera for hours and hours and hours. But they're not funny, they're not that, that smart.

• 45:08Drew Afualo?

  Yep, yep, yep, yep.

• 45:09Speaker 00

  And so those are the people who I think get really caught up in, um, like, really baity like video openers. And all that kind of shit and there's nothing after, but the problem is like, it works so well.

• 45:25Drew Afualo?

  Because it's so easy, like, it's like the curse of virality, like, it's so easy to go viral on TikTok. Especially talking shit on somebody who everybody knows, like, or somebody that is like super popular and like people love them and think they're funny and whatever. I was just telling Jixi this, I was like, I, part of the reason why I took my break was because I was like, really tired of people talking about me as if I'm not a real person. Like, oh, I just like, you know, another version of her, or I want a different version of her. I'm like, of who? Of me, a real person, like, and that's why I made the video where I said like, you could do whatever you want. That doesn't mean you're gonna be me. It's not gonna give you what I have because the secret is me, bitch.

• 46:07Drew Afualo?

  Like, it's, it's my personality that shines. It's not, it's not because I talk about men. You, I'm not the first bitch to do that in the history of time.

• 46:15Speaker 00

  I don't know what it is. I think people are addicted to their phones. And I think.

• 46:24Speaker 00

  There is just, oh, I mean, like, literally with any kind of like, you know, either you just spend so much time that like the rush kind of gets less and less.

• 46:33Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 46:33Speaker 00

  And they turn on the people they like.

• 46:35Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 46:35Speaker 00

  I don't, I, I, I actually, I don't know what it is.

• 46:37Drew Afualo?

  Me either. I, I've tried to figure out.

• 46:40Speaker 00

  But, but I saw that take. I want you to know, I know exactly what and who you're talking about. And I saw that, um, and I absolutely, the friends only got dumped on.

• 46:51Speaker 00

  Dumped on because I will see, and I will say this, I will see people particularly try to cloak their, their takes and their feelings in that like very faux social justice speak.

• 47:04Drew Afualo?

  Girl, don't I fucking know it.

• 47:05Speaker 00

  And be like,

• 47:07Speaker 00

  thi- thi- this is again, another moment where I wish y'all would just be comfortable talking your shit.

• 47:11Drew Afualo?

  That's what I said. That was the first thing I said. I, I've said before, like, the internet would be a much more like inhabitable place if some of you could just admit that you fucking hate people for no reason. If some of you were more honest about that, like I even said, like, at least the men who hate me are fucking honest. Like they're like, I hate her because she's ugly. Okay. Okay.

• 47:35Speaker 00

  I cannot fix that.

• 47:38Drew Afualo?

  And I'm not gonna, I'm not in the business of changing your mind, bitch. Like, and guess what? You're ugly too. Now what?

• 47:42Speaker 00

  Now what?

• 47:43Drew Afualo?

  Where do we go from here?

• 47:44Speaker 00

  Think the other one is ugly.

• 47:46Drew Afualo?

  Okay, there we go. We're, we're twins at that point. Like, we're, we're, we have so much in common, honestly.

• 47:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're bonding.

• 47:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And I was like, I would rather deal with that. Like, I would rather, you think I haven't, like, and it's, it's funny because as soon as I took my break, people started sending me videos of like fucking straight, white, conservative people making takes about how I'm racist against white people. And I was like, and you know what's funny is I was like, do you really think, I've been on this app for four years, three if you count full time. Do you really think you're the first white person with curly brown hair to call me a racist towards white people? Please.

• 48:22Speaker 00

  No, they think that they are Beowulf slaying.

• 48:27Speaker 00

  Like.

• 48:27Drew Afualo?

  David and Goliath bitch.

• 48:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just ripped Grendel's arm off. No one else has done it before. No, I saw that. I saw, cause I like, I keep up.

• 48:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:38Speaker 00

  It's like, I don't keep up, as in, I will just find girls fighting and not know what's going on.

• 48:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  But I saw that and I was like, oh, Drew's a racist. And then I see what they're talking about. I'm like, we have to stop doing this clown shit.

• 48:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like I was like, if you really think, like, they're like, against white people.

• 48:55Speaker 00

  But they leave that off.

• 48:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  Cause it's the clickbait. It's the clickbait that gets people watching.

• 49:00Drew Afualo?

  You wait until the end of your video to say that. Also, you wait till I leave?

• 49:03Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 49:04Drew Afualo?

  Bitch, please. I was like, you wait, you wait till I leave to be like, yeah, exactly.

• 49:10Speaker 00

  I never liked her. I'm glad she's gone.

• 49:13Drew Afualo?

  I told my sister, I'm like, that's like, that's like fucking the Joker being like, yeah, fuck you Batman from inside Arkham. Fuck you.

• 49:21Speaker 00

  Right.

• 49:22Drew Afualo?

  Oh, please. I like, when I saw, I was like, oh, that's what it, girl. And I literally put on my Instagram, I said, yeah, stop sending this shit to me. A Trump supporter calling me a racist? Okay.

• 49:30Speaker 00

  I'm never gonna take that seriously in a million years.

• 49:32Drew Afualo?

  Fuck you.

• 49:35Drew Afualo?

  Fuck you, eat a dick. Sorry.

• 49:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't give a shit.

• 49:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I don't care. I was like, I'm not, I'm not. And if you think you're the first curly headed fuck to call me that, you're crazy. Like, you, you don't think, you think men haven't said that shit to me?

• 49:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:46Drew Afualo?

  Men have been, men who have called me, like, the worst and most, like, I said, like, I've been called slurs your grandparents haven't heard in years, bitch.

• 49:55Speaker 00

  Ancient.

• 49:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah, white men will call me that. I'll call them short, or I'll tell them their nipples look like they're, they've been the village wet nurse. And they'll make a three minute video about me calling me a body shamer.

• 50:06Speaker 00

  Huh? Okay.

• 50:09Drew Afualo?

  Takes one to know one, doesn't it?

• 50:10Speaker 00

  No, it gets diabolical.

• 50:11Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 50:11Speaker 00

  The way people will do that when they feel cornered. I'm like, why? Like, you wanted to fight with me so bad. And then when I went below the belt, like now it's a problem.

• 50:22Drew Afualo?

  Well, and also, where's your belt at? Because you've been calling me slurs.

• 50:26Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 50:27Drew Afualo?

  I put it on Twitter. This is like two years ago. I put it on Twitter. Ripped this bitch a new one. I ripped this, and that's why I would put it on Twitter because I couldn't always say it on TikTok anymore. Especially after I got verified, like they were, they were snacking me out of the sky, bitch. I was like, well, shit. I gotta start cloaking again. Like, I gotta start doing undercover. So I went on Twitter and that's where I made up the insult that I said, like, "Your chest is so concave, if I knocked on it, "Your heart would shoot out your back." Like a fucking gun, bitch.

• 50:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:53Drew Afualo?

  Fuck you. And I, I talked about him having a bird chest. I said a whole bunch of shit like that.

• 50:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:58Drew Afualo?

  And then another kid who comes in like, "I think there's bad on both sides. "I understand he's bad, but she's bad too. Can't fight fire with fire." One of those fuck ass kids, and I still know his name and I still hate him. But he made this whole series about me. "This is why she's problematic, blah, blah, blah." And he starts saying that the guy that I was making fun of that attacked me first has um, some sort of, like, I forget the name of it, but it's like a disease where like, "Your chest is like concave genetically."

• 51:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:29Drew Afualo?

  So you can't, like, it's like, it's not his fault. Medically, he was saying he had this disability, like medically.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:35Drew Afualo?

  That catches fire. Everyone started saying, "I make fun of men with disabilities. I make fun of men with whatever, blah, blah, blah." The guy who made the original video comes out, makes a video, says, "Can everyone stop fucking saying I have that shit? I don't. "I don't fucking have that." Like, he's literally going, "I never said I had that. How fucking dare you." Then he starts listing all this shit he can bench. He's like, "I've been benching this much. I've been do-" He has forgotten about me. He has forgotten about me.

• 52:03Speaker 00

  It's not about you anymore. It, it's, it's well beyond

• 52:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 52:07Speaker 00

  wanting to fight you.

• 52:08Drew Afualo?

  Right. He's like, "I get it. No, I get it. I hate that fat bitch too, but stop saying I have something I don't."

• 52:12Speaker 00

  Hey, what the fuck?

• 52:16Drew Afualo?

  And I'm laughing at home cuz I'm like you bitches were carrying a torch for something he doesn't even have. You just said that so that you could have a valid reason.

• 52:25Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:25Drew Afualo?

  This is why I think she's a bad person. What I hate the most is when someone just finds me and they're like, has anyone thought about the fact that she's mean?

• 52:33Speaker 00

  No. Never crossed my mind.

• 52:36Drew Afualo?

  Believe it or not, yeah. You should stop. That's not nice. I know I'm not. Like, I've said that so many times. I was like, why do you keep fucking with me then? If you know, if you know I'm a fucking, I'm a raging cunt, why do you keep fucking with me?

• 52:49Speaker 00

  Go home.

• 52:49Drew Afualo?

  Stop shaking my tree bitch.

• 52:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:51Drew Afualo?

  And apples won't continue to fall out. What the fuck?

• 52:53Speaker 00

  Truly, truly, and your head will stay nice and clean and no, no bumps. You don't wanna be here, go the fuck home.

• 53:00Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's why I laugh cuz I think like you can read a bitch down. I do remember the, the video you made about saying how you knew you were your mother's daughter.

• 53:10Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 53:11Drew Afualo?

  Not because you just know who you are and your mom does too. It's because you're like, cuz I, and I can throw a right hook. It's because of my words.

• 53:18Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 53:18Drew Afualo?

  That's how I know.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, my mom, you ever, you know, there's like a type of short woman that like emanates an energy field of like kind of a threatening vibe.

• 53:28Drew Afualo?

  That's my mom.

• 53:29Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 53:29Drew Afualo?

  You should meet her. My mom's five three.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, and there's something, it gets compacted, you know, and they can like, I don't know, it's some kind of like psychic defense mechanism. I came home from school one time and I guess our laundry room door had gotten stuck behind her and she barefooted. She's probably five two, she was five two. She just put her back against the dryer and kicked a hole through the door. Until she could crawl out of it and she would just do shit like that all the time. I was like, you're like the scariest person I've ever met. But you know what I mean?

• 54:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's how I feel about my mom too. It was funny. One time my mom, we were at this years ago, my brother was probably, my brother is a lot younger than me, but he was at the time, maybe like nine.

• 54:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:11Drew Afualo?

  A baby. Uh, we were trying to go on the Cars Land ride and it was like his first time ever going on it at Disneyland. And it was just me, my mom and my brother. And we're getting on the ride and like we waited for hours like cuz he wanted to go so bad. So we waited for like two hours. We get on, we sit down, we put our seatbelts on, it starts, it takes off a little and then it, the whole ride shuts down. And he's devastated and they're like emptying the cars are like, sorry, it's like, you know, gonna be a while, whatever. But for some reason, they were telling our only our car to get out on the other side, which means we wouldn't get a pass to come back, even though we were about to. And everybody else behind us was getting them. And so I'm like, my mom gets out, I I get up, I'm like trying to help him get out too. And he's crying, my brother's like crying, he's like, I really want to try, I was like, it's okay, we'll come back, like, it's gonna be fine.

• 54:56Drew Afualo?

  And he was like so upset, he's like, he's trying to get the seatbelt, it's like taking forever. And the girl's like, you have to get out on this side and and I'm going, I know that I'm trying to help my brother, right? So I'm helping him and she and then he finally stands up and she's like, come over here, like she like yells at him, which scares him. My mom. The end, you know what I'm saying, my mom loves him more than me, just kidding.

• 55:20Drew Afualo?

  I was kidding, mom, if you watch that part.

• 55:23Drew Afualo?

  But she, my mom. Lost her fucking shit like. On that girl. Uh, cuz she was being such a bitch to my and my bro- my brother is a child.

• 55:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then my mom was like, get the fuck out of here. And then she. Room and then a manager comes out. And so I'm helping my brother out, we're standing off the side, my mom has this big ass backpack on and my mom looks nineteen, she looks younger than me, which is annoying. And so like, she's standing there and she's consoling my brother. Manager comes out and starts talking shit to my mom, like he's like, is there a problem? And my mom goes, yeah, that girl is rude as fuck. And I don't like how she was talking to my son. And then he goes. Hmm, yeah, like he's being so condescending to my mom and I remember and it's funny cuz I'm standing off to the side cuz I said. You're revving that bitch up, like my mom's getting to a point where she's not gonna have any sense of decorum anymore.

• 56:19Drew Afualo?

  Right? And so I'm standing there, I'm just watching cuz I'm like, what I do know is to never get in the middle. Whatever happens is your fault cuz you're pressing her.

• 56:30Drew Afualo?

  I remember him saying was. You really shouldn't talk to people that are older than you that way. Cause my mom was talking to this guy like they're equals, right?

• 56:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:39Drew Afualo?

  And my mom goes, older than you? How fucking old do you think I am? And she was like, fuck you. And fuck her too. And cause he was saying, like, he was saying, you made her cry. She's all, oh, I made her cry? Good.

• 56:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:52Drew Afualo?

  That's what she said. Cause she made my son cry, so I make her cry. That's how that fucking works.

• 56:58Drew Afualo?

  Then when my mom said, how old do you think I fucking am? Cause I, I think my mom's big ass back. I think he thought she was like twenty.

• 57:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:04Drew Afualo?

  And then she, she takes off, takes me, and he's like, okay, like, well, we can give you these passes, whatever. My mom goes, no, fuck these passes. And then she takes off, right? And I'm following her on foot. I'm carrying my brother at this point. My dad calls, I answer and he goes, what happened? I go, oh, something bad happened at Cars Land, but you know. And we're like watching, he goes, what happened? I go, long story short, a girl made Donovan cry. My mom made her cry and then she made the manager cry and now we're walking.

• 57:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, now we're done.

• 57:30Drew Afualo?

  My dad on the phone goes, oh, well, she's not done yet, is she? And I go, no. And my mom walked straight to an office to complain. And when I tell you, we got like two gift cards and like three night stay at the hotel.

• 57:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:43Drew Afualo?

  When they piss my mom off like that, I'm like, well, now my mom's gonna be part owner and that's your fault.

• 57:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, she's got a fifty-one percent share in this company now.

• 57:50Drew Afualo?

  Hope it was worth it. I think you are your mother's daughter. You give me that.

• 57:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:55Drew Afualo?

  I love that about you.

• 57:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's actually crazy, like, especially this past year, just the way things have worked out.

• 58:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 58:01Speaker 00

  Like, I've kind of picked up a lot of places that I feel like she kind of left off. She used to make YouTube videos.

• 58:07Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 58:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, she was fully like a YouTuber.

• 58:09Drew Afualo?

  Hey, diva.

• 58:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I went back and watched her videos and she'd have like a little ironic T-shirt and her bayonetta glasses on in like two thousand nine. I was like, oh, she was like a, an actual bad bitch. And I just did not know at the time. I was like, mom, your glasses are so lame. They weren't.

• 58:23Drew Afualo?

  But now you're like, her tea.

• 58:24Speaker 00

  Now I'm like.

• 58:25Drew Afualo?

  Now you know her tea.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 58:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 58:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, and she, you know, she was a writer, she... You know, I mean, her life was just very complicated, very crazy. And um, yeah, not even through any effort, really, it's just kind of happened that way that like, content creation is working out for me and then Christian kind of really motivated me to get into writing and now here we are.

• 58:48Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, that's so fucking awesome. I was gonna say, what are your, what are your goals? Like, what do you hope for? Like, what do you hope you get to do in the entertainment industry?

• 58:55Speaker 00

  I'm, I'll do anything.

• 58:56Drew Afualo?

  I feel like the sky's the limit for you, girl.

• 58:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, I wanna get murdered in a horror movie, really bad. And like nasty, like the worst death they can give me.

• 59:06Drew Afualo?

  Like Final Destination kinda death?

• 59:09Speaker 00

  Chop my shit in half, like pull it all out, do whatever. Not Terrifier though, that's too much.

• 59:15Drew Afualo?

  That's too much.

• 59:16Speaker 00

  That's too much.

• 59:16Drew Afualo?

  Then I'm scared, and I don't like that.

• 59:18Speaker 00

  That's, yeah, I don't like the clown. If you can, if you can have the clown kill me without the clown being there. Invisible clown, something. But yeah, I, I really do just want to like get to a place where I can try out a bunch of different stuff. I mean, when I was younger, I always thought it would be really cool to like, you know, work on a cartoon or work on a movie or, you know, god knows what. I just wanna try shit. You know?

• 59:43Drew Afualo?

  Well, I, I feel like I really wanna say this to you, and I mean this so sincerely, I think you're a fucking star. I really do. And I think you are, you have such a unique voice, and it's so like, I'm so glad that you're like getting the attention that you deserve.

• 59:57Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 59:58Drew Afualo?

  But like, you're fucking hilarious, dude. Like genuinely, and I mean that so sincerely, and I do not say that lightly, and I do not say that to everyone.

• 1:00:07Speaker 00

  You bring someone on, you're like, you're, you're very pretty.

• 1:00:10Drew Afualo?

  And I'd be like, and it's a good thing you're pretty.

• 1:00:13Drew Afualo?

  Thankfully, you're both. Thankfully, you're both stunning, gorgeous, smart, and funny. And I, you know what's funny? I showed um, the video you made about, about TikTok getting banned. I showed that to my fiance, and he was like, when he was watching, he was going, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he was like, she's fucking smart, I love that. I was like, and period. And period, that's my king.

• 1:00:32Speaker 00

  I appreciate it.

• 1:00:33Drew Afualo?

  I love that. What would be your dream project to work on or go on at this point? Like whether it's a podcast, TV show, movie?

• 1:00:39Speaker 00

  Oh my god. I really, I don't.

• 1:00:43Speaker 00

  I don't think I have anything in specific. I can say that we are already working on quite a few things now.

• 1:00:49Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 1:00:49Speaker 00

  And I I won't jinx myself.

• 1:00:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  But I'm very excited about, you know, it's like you you get to a point where now you're doing stuff that's gonna come in like years.

• 1:00:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:58Speaker 00

  And it's gonna take work over years.

• 1:01:00Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 1:01:00Speaker 00

  And that's really cool. That's really new. Um, I would love to, I would love to work on a movie at some point. I think there'd be. I don't think I wanna act.

• 1:01:09Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  Unless they're gonna kill me. If they're gonna kill me, then I'm down.

• 1:01:12Drew Afualo?

  But do you wanna be like a writer, director?

• 1:01:14Speaker 00

  I would really love to write. Yeah.

• 1:01:15Drew Afualo?

  I love that.

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  Maybe direct, but I don't know.

• 1:01:17Drew Afualo?

  Can I tell you something about acting?

• 1:01:19Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:01:19Drew Afualo?

  This is me being vulnerable.

• 1:01:20Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:01:21Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I was telling my makeup artist, I was with my cousin. I was telling him, I I'm gonna get into acting next year, right?

• 1:01:28Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:01:29Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, I don't know. I was thinking about it and like, what if they make me like kiss someone? Cause like, I'm so weird about shit. Like, I I'm.

• 1:01:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:36Drew Afualo?

  The only man I'm attracted to is my man in my, in in like just my heart, everything about me. Like, my body recoils at other men touching me.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, what am I gonna do? Like, how am I gonna do that? Like, I'm I'm having this like existential crisis as if anything's happening. Mind you, it's like four in the morning when we're glamming. I'm telling my cousin and he's like, okay, first of all, it's four in the morning, so calm down.

• 1:01:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:57Drew Afualo?

  Second of all, you haven't been cast in anything, so why are you talking as if you have been?

• 1:02:00Speaker 00

  We're a few chapters ahead.

• 1:02:02Drew Afualo?

  I said, oh. And that's why I'll never ever get a big head. Cause that's how everyone around me treats me. Keeps me firmly planted in reality, you know?

• 1:02:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, you need that.

• 1:02:12Drew Afualo?

  But that, I do need that.

• 1:02:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Drew Afualo?

  I honestly do.

• 1:02:15Speaker 00

  I think, I think we all need that.

• 1:02:16Drew Afualo?

  Right. I've said before, that's why I think God gave, did not give me the ability to sing.

• 1:02:21Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:02:21Drew Afualo?

  I think I'd be insufferable.

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  Well, you wanna know what? The people who are surrounded by a bunch of yes men, always, I mean, the most untalented people in any given room. And it's really upsetting.

• 1:02:31Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 1:02:32Speaker 00

  And I I can't remember what like got me on this so bad. I can't, I like blocked the person out. They were so like, there was just nothing like.

• 1:02:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  Putting in their head.

• 1:02:41Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:02:42Speaker 00

  But I like met this.

• 1:02:46Speaker 00

  I can't, it's a blank spot. All I remember was the yes men. I experienced this person who just was surrounded by people like hyping their shit up. And it was, it was embarrassing to watch. I think they were like a musician. And it was bad, it wasn't ready and they were so like a dick about it. And that's the thing, you can be bad at anything if you're sweet about it. And I'll be cool and I'll give feedback if you want feedback and I'll lie if you want me to lie. But when you're a dick and you have a bunch of hype men and you think you're the shit. There, there's no insult I can come up with. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:03:17Drew Afualo?

  That is more tragic than your situation.

• 1:03:20Speaker 00

  And it's like, it is upsetting me and my, my girls.

• 1:03:24Drew Afualo?

  My homegirls are very upset about this.

• 1:03:26Speaker 00

  We are very distraught over what you're bringing to the function.

• 1:03:31Drew Afualo?

  This poisonous aura that you're bringing. Well, and that's why I will tell you, you keep saying I don't want to jinx it, but like, I genuinely think you are a star. That's what you're des- this is what you're destined to do. So I'm glad you're finally walking in it. I think you, you're not giving yourself nearly enough credit. So you're, you're getting nervy and I get why. It is very nervy, but like, this is what you're meant to do. I can feel it.

• 1:03:54Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:03:54Drew Afualo?

  So sincerely, and I mean that so sincerely.

• 1:03:56Speaker 00

  I don't know. I think it's um.

• 1:04:00Drew Afualo?

  It's imposter syndrome is what it sounds like.

• 1:04:02Speaker 00

  You know, and this is the thing is I actually am very much someone who's like, I don't really believe in that because I do. Like I know that the way things kind of work is that you have to fake it till you make it.

• 1:04:11Drew Afualo?

  To an extent, yeah.

• 1:04:12Speaker 00

  To an extent, to an extent.

• 1:04:15Speaker 00

  But, yeah, I don't know. I guess in a weird way, it is just like a superstition thing.

• 1:04:20Drew Afualo?

  I'm really superstitious too.

• 1:04:22Speaker 00

  And, and I think it's also like, it's very wild to experience and I think almost everyone goes through this at some point in some way. Like things being demonically bad in your life. And then two years, three years, four years later, it's like a complete one eighty. That's a crazy feeling.

• 1:04:40Drew Afualo?

  Totally. And it's hard to like, to not be disoriented or wor- worry about it. Like or wor- worry if the other shoe's gonna drop kind of thing.

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  It is. And, yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's always very much a part of like restraint about me in that.

• 1:04:56Speaker 00

  I don't know, I just don't wanna say too much.

• 1:04:57Drew Afualo?

  And that's okay. Yeah, that's okay. When you, when you get to that point, uh, whenever you get to the point where you feel like you can talk about it without feeling like you're gonna curse it. That's when you know you're, you're like, fully, fully accepting and walking in your power. That's my point. I just think you're, I think you're a fucking star and I think you're so funny and so talented, like there's no way that this isn't gonna happen for you. That's why it is. And when you were ready for it, that's when I think it started happening.

• 1:05:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, for sure. And, and I will say, I think it's, it's also two things. I, I believe like, that your actions speak for itself and your work speaks for itself.

• 1:05:35Speaker 00

  And also, I watched that one episode of George Lopez where his, when I was really young, where his mom talks about the evil eye. And I think that got in my head in a crazy way. Cause all she described was like, if you say something, it's gonna come take it from you. And I was like, well, fuck, you know, cause I also, I thought my mom could read my mind until I was twelve. So there was just a lot of stuff going on.

• 1:06:00Drew Afualo?

  Stuff working in there.

• 1:06:01Speaker 00

  That kinda got sucked into the meat after a while. So maybe it's some stuff to unpack.

• 1:06:07Drew Afualo?

  It's in the carpet, you know?

• 1:06:12Drew Afualo?

  Okay, to kinda wrap us up though, I would love to know, like, what your best piece of advice is for any content creators that are maybe like kind of like where you're, where you were at two years ago. And maybe they're kinda nervous about putting out content or nervous about being perceived. You know, what would you say is your best piece of advice for them?

• 1:06:31Speaker 00

  I would say that you should just do it. Um, I mean, just if, if you have the urge to post, if you literally just wanna run your mouth and say nothing interesting for two minutes, three minutes, twenty minutes, whatever, do it. Um, because I think. I don't know, like when I started, I don't think I really had a point of view.

• 1:06:49Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:06:49Speaker 00

  And I don't really think I knew myself. And then somehow through just enjoying doing it, and maybe constantly saying everything in my head out loud, like now I definitely have a point of view.

• 1:07:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:02Speaker 00

  And you also, you never know who is watching you.

• 1:07:05Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 1:07:05Speaker 00

  I will tell you one hundred percent, did not expect this was gonna happen.

• 1:07:09Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 1:07:09Speaker 00

  At all. No, I got that email and I sent it to, and I keep doing this. I'll get like a crazy fucking email and send it to him and be like, should I answer this? Is this real?

• 1:07:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and he's like, yeah, you fucking should, yeah.

• 1:07:22Speaker 00

  Yes, yeah, God, God, God bless him.

• 1:07:25Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:07:26Speaker 00

  But, um, yeah, you, you never know who was gonna see you and show other people around them. And, and it's a really wild thing when it starts happening.

• 1:07:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:36Speaker 00

  And, and I think that's kind of the big thing, um, that is really sad about TikTok too is, yeah, anyone, anyone can get big on TikTok, right? And it's like democratic about who blows up in a way that I think a lot of people assume is like, it doesn't really take talent.

• 1:07:55Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  And it doesn't to go viral.

• 1:07:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  It does not take any talent to go viral at all, but to maintain attention.

• 1:08:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Speaker 00

  And to build a loyal audience from TikTok where like a hundred thousand followers can mean nothing.

• 1:08:07Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly.

• 1:08:08Speaker 00

  You know?

• 1:08:08Drew Afualo?

  And they can choose from anyone at that point, like everybody's on TikTok.

• 1:08:12Speaker 00

  Everyone is on TikTok.

• 1:08:13Drew Afualo?

  Literally, yeah.

• 1:08:14Speaker 00

  You know, so, yeah, I think just finding a point of view and really understanding yourself when you're talking to the public, like that will do crazy shit for you.

• 1:08:26Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 1:08:26Speaker 00

  Literally.

• 1:08:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and that's why, that's why you're so funny, like you're saying, like, I never thought this was gonna.

• 1:08:31Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 1:08:32Drew Afualo?

  I've been watching you forever. That's why I was like.

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 1:08:34Drew Afualo?

  And I honestly, because I don't know unless I click on your profile, I have no idea if you follow me. But I've been liking your shit for so long, I was like, yeah.

• 1:08:42Speaker 00

  We are mutuals.

• 1:08:43Drew Afualo?

  We are moots now. And I, when I looked, I was like, oh, period. But when I saw you follow me, that's why, and then as I continue to see your stuff, I just think, I love a smart bitch.

• 1:08:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:53Drew Afualo?

  A smart, funny bitch. Ooh, I love that. That shit. That's why I was like, yeah. Every time I see your videos, I'm like, yeah, fucking exactly. That's how I feel watching it.

• 1:09:02Speaker 00

  And it's, there's like a little cult of this type of girl on TikTok. Molly, like, just so many different girls I'm obsessed with. And people who like, you know, cause you, I was, I was posting already, but absolutely like the way you speak about things, the way Molly speaks about things. So many of those girls like was foundational to me being like, oh, I see the way she did that. And why it's different than, like, there truly is a difference that from getting online and being mean. And actually taking the time to craft an insult, like, make it smart. You know?

• 1:09:36Drew Afualo?

  Tea. That's why, that's why I said, you cannot outdo the doer, you know? That's why I said, I'd, sometimes I've told people, like, when I make videos roasting dudes, sometimes they're like, you walked right past this, right? And I'm like, no, I didn't. I saw it and it doesn't, it's not funny to me. You gotta think bigger. You wanna live up here? You gotta get more creative.

• 1:09:55Speaker 00

  I made my choices very carefully.

• 1:09:58Drew Afualo?

  This was premeditated murder. That's what this was.

• 1:10:00Speaker 00

  Absolutely. Oh, and I did takes to make sure that timing was.

• 1:10:06Speaker 00

  Don't worry, bitch. That camera went off and on and off and on until all the punch was exactly. Cause I wanted that shit to sting.

• 1:10:15Drew Afualo?

  This is mean. Yeah, I know.

• 1:10:16Speaker 00

  Oh, I know.

• 1:10:17Drew Afualo?

  It was intended to be.

• 1:10:18Speaker 00

  Added extra mean into the soup.

• 1:10:20Drew Afualo?

  Mission accomplished. I scribbled it on top, like fucking truffle bitch. I shaved that shit on top. You're welcome.

• 1:10:27Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 1:10:28Drew Afualo?

  Bon appétit.

• 1:10:30Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. I fucking adore you.

• 1:10:34Speaker 00

  I am really happy to be here. I'm so glad we got to meet.

• 1:10:38Drew Afualo?

  I'm same. I, I adore you and I will say it until you start to believe it too. I think you're a fucking star. I really do. And I can't wait to see where you go from here. Like, anyone would be lucky to have you as a guest. And I've said this before, if you're fucking awesome, I'll plug you into anyone awesome. I think you're fucking fantastic. And I'm so happy that people are seeing it and recognizing it. I can't wait to see what else you do, bitch.

• 1:11:01Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:11:01Drew Afualo?

  I think you're amazing and I'm, and I'm falling in love with you. I guess this is my fucking point.

• 1:11:06Speaker 00

  Maybe we're falling in love with each other. I don't.

• 1:11:09Drew Afualo?

  Tends to happen on here. God, and every time I have to be like, oh, sorry, I'm taken. And you were too.

• 1:11:16Speaker 00

  Oh, hi, Alex.

• 1:11:18Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, that's right.

• 1:11:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. Whoops.

• 1:11:21Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much again for coming. And for anyone who doesn't know, where can they find you?

• 1:11:26Speaker 00

  Well, for like the next couple of weeks, you can find me on TikTok. You can follow my Substack, The Quiet Part. You can listen to my podcast, Meatbus, on Patreon and Spotify. And then I have a YouTube channel. We'll see if anything gets posted, but it is just K Poyer, at K Poyer.

• 1:11:46Drew Afualo?

  Period. We love, make sure y'all follow K on literally everything. She's incredible, bitch. You are just so unbelievable and so funny. And I can't wait to see you get murdered in a movie.

• 1:11:55Speaker 00

  Oh, my God.

• 1:11:56Drew Afualo?

  It's gonna be fantastic.

• 1:11:57Speaker 00

  You're gonna have a front row ticket.

• 1:11:58Drew Afualo?

  Yes, obviously.

• 1:11:59Speaker 00

  And by that point, we'll have like the theaters that spray real blood on you.

• 1:12:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, the 4DX experience. Splash Mountain experience. We love that. Thank you so much to my amazing guest, K, for joining me. Thank you all so much for watching. Don't forget, new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, or you can watch the video for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. So, thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you to my amazing guest, K Poyer, and I'll see you next week. Bye.

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