NEXT QUESTION Ft. Scott Evans | Episode 244

Scott Evans joins Drew for another Halloween episode this week! They talk about the powerful energy of Scott’s red leather jacket, stinky breath culture, a little red carpet spit, hosting Kamala Harris as a house guest, bringing a tip jar to events, and so much more. Follow Scott on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamscottevans/?hl=en Follow The Comment Section on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/?hl=en Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:02Drew Afualo?

  We need to address

• 0:02Speaker 01

  We need to address

• 0:04Drew Afualo?

  in this industry.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  In, it is an unspoken issue.

• 0:10Drew Afualo?

  But it is a prevalent issue.

• 0:19Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another spooky episode of the comment section show. Sorry, me, your favorite, everybody knows me, who cares about me, onto the guest. Today, we have the hilarious, the iconic, the legendary Scott Evans.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That thong, the thong, thong, thong.

• 0:40Drew Afualo?

  Scott tried to trick me, or he did trick me.

• 0:42Speaker 01

  I mean, I think we did.

• 0:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you did. You successfully tricked me.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, the gag was, I also got tricked. Trick or treating this motherfucker, you know what I'm saying? And I got tricked.

• 0:50Drew Afualo?

  Can someone explain to me why every time I leave my house, I somehow spend $200? Like, I went outside for a coffee. Why am I suddenly in financial ruin? And don't even get me started on how many subscriptions I'm paying for. At this point, I'm personally funding the entire entertainment industry. Sometimes, I just wanna come home, sit on my couch, turn my brain off, and watch something good without another monthly charge showing up on my credit card. Did you know you can stream so many movies and shows you know and love free on Pluto TV? We're talking RuPaul's Drag Race, Jennifer's Body, Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle, like, Hello, The Range?

• 1:35Drew Afualo?

  One minute, I'm watching drag queens serve looks, the next, I'm watching Megan Fox, and then suddenly, The Rock is fighting for his life in the jungle. That's called balance. And the best part? Pluto TV is always completely free. No need to add another paid streaming service to your already expensive existence. So, next time you need a little escape from reality, escape to Pluto TV. The best things on TV are free. Stream now, pay never. I got told that Scott was like, "Oh, I feel so bad. I didn't have time for a costume." And I was like, "Oh, my God, don't even worry about it. You'd be surprised how many times people don't wear costumes and I'm dressed like an asshole."

• 2:11Speaker 01

  Meanwhile, she's like, "Oh, no, it's fine. It's totally fine. Like, I love this dress. This is my favorite dress."

• 2:15Drew Afualo?

  I was like, "It's a laundry day for me, so no worries." And I was like, then Scott comes in the studio and does that exact, like, call, Cisco call

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a mating call.

• 2:25Drew Afualo?

  and I was literally so shocked. I was like, "They said you didn't dress up!"

• 2:28Speaker 01

  She was like, "Look great to me."

• 2:32Drew Afualo?

  And imagine you were like, "I didn't dress up."

• 2:33Speaker 01

  I didn't dress up.

• 2:34Drew Afualo?

  This is my outfit.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  What the fuck are you talking about? It's Friday. I'm going to the club after this.

• 2:40Drew Afualo?

  Okay, it's casual Friday. My bad.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  What? Oh, you can't wear leather pants in LA? What, it's after Labor Day, white leather's out?

• 2:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  I don't know if this is latex leather or what, but like, you can't wear grocery bag after September?

• 2:53Drew Afualo?

  You're noisy as hell.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Baby, it's, wait.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  You try to get nat sound, trying to get room sound, and he's like...

• 2:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, room tone. 60 seconds of room tone.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  It's like, if you stand close to me, it just sounds like the ocean.

• 3:08Drew Afualo?

  That's so tea. You're right. I'm listening to a shell.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, or like a thunderstorm. The quiet storm.

• 3:14Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah. Those like ambiance YouTube videos.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm so sorry, audio, I'm so sorry. Yeah, run that to me, run it, because what I clearly need is more caffeine.

• 3:29Drew Afualo?

  This is you off not one gram of caffeine.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Oh, no, baby.

• 3:32Drew Afualo?

  Can you believe?

• 3:33Speaker 01

  It's 130. I've had three cups of coffee already. Oh, trust, and so what I need right now is a feather.

• 3:40Drew Afualo?

  Yes, of course you do. You need to replenish.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Thank you to our sponsor.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  You're a fill-in sponsor here.

• 3:48Drew Afualo?

  Right, there you go.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 3:51Drew Afualo?

  I love Scott dearly. We have been like admiring each other from afar for a while. But I do wanna say, before I get into asking you some questions, I have admired you as a host for a long time. I mean, as a host, obviously, I like, love watching other people host, but the way that you host is so incredible and connective, and it's done in a way that it, I feel like mirrors what my goal is when I interview people, which is to have them feel seen.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:19Drew Afualo?

  And I feel like you are so incredible at that. And I wanna tell you that before we get, we keep getting silly and we lose the ability to be serious for a sec. I have to tell you that because I genuinely think you are one of the best hosts in the game right now.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 4:32Drew Afualo?

  And I think it's very obvious, like, based off your interviews and how well they go and how people are able to open up to you in a very specific and like earnest way. I think you're incredible. So, I just wanna tell you that before we get any sillier.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  No, I really appreciate that, and now I wish I had not been in full Cisco drag. Wow, I heard that from you.

• 4:51Drew Afualo?

  What do you mean? That's how it's supposed to be.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  I know, right?

• 4:54Drew Afualo?

  And I will say too, we're like, I would say 100 years old compared to a lot of people on the internet right now.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  So, you have to explain who Cisco is?

• 5:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're not gonna know, bro. They're not gonna know.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  You know thong song?

• 5:04Drew Afualo?

  Yes, you have to.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  You know thong song?

• 5:06Drew Afualo?

  You have to.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  I like it when it be go. Love it when your booty go.

• 5:13Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I saw a thing recently that this high school had a 2016 Throwback Spirit Day.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  I hate it here.

• 5:23Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my God, I'm decrepit. I'm ancient.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  I hate it.

• 5:26Drew Afualo?

  I was like, in high school?

• 5:28Speaker 01

  2016 was what? What, you're saying that's vintage? Get me out.

• 5:32Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Where's the closest bridge?

• 5:34Drew Afualo?

  In the 2010s?

• 5:35Speaker 01

  I want out. You see the Tesla car that can fly?

• 5:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  Strap me in. I want out.

• 5:40Drew Afualo?

  Let's test it with you. Maybe test it.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  I'm down. Next run. Take care of my family. I'm out. Because this shit here, this is getting crazy.

• 5:49Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  And like, I know, I, we all knew that we would become uncles and aunties, right? Like, we knew when we were making fun of them at the last family gathering, it wouldn't be too long before we too

• 6:00Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  would be a member of that community.

• 6:02Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  But I'm not rushing it. Slow down. 2016?

• 6:06Drew Afualo?

  You guys need to relax.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. 2016?

• 6:09Drew Afualo?

  Can you believe that?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  That's, also, 2016 gave us some good ass music. I'm just gonna tell you. So, I get it.

• 6:16Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  But watch yourself.

• 6:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Okay?

• 6:19Drew Afualo?

  But tread lightly.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Tread lightly.

• 6:22Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I'm gonna backpedal for a sec. I would love to know, I know you've been hosting for a long time. I would love to know how you got into hosting. Like, was the goal always entertainment? Was it hosting specifically? Did you just kind of find yourself there? I feel like you have such, clearly, such a natural magnetism, so I think you were gonna end up in this industry regardless. I'm just curious, is hosting something that you thought of early on? Or was it something that kind of came to you?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Okay, so first, Drew, I have to say thank you for your very, very kind words. I wanna say that I appreciate your, like, the way you use your platform to love on and big up other people, but also to like stake, put a stake or a flag in the ground of like, hello, this is good, this is quality.

• 7:03Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  And this matters. Pay attention to this.

• 7:07Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  I really, really appreciate it.

• 7:09Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  I always wanted to be doing, I'm living my dream.

• 7:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, I'm lit, like, literally waking up in the morning, and that is not to say with, it's without obstacle or challenge or even difficulty or hardship.

• 7:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  But I, in the third grade, knew I wanted to do this. My sister booked me on a gig where I played a young Reggie Miller or young Michael Jordan, depending on, I guess, your exposure to black people.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  And so, playing against a young Larry Bird for the player intro videos for the Pacers. And I got a day out of school and 50 bucks, but I felt like I was on a movie set. Looking back, it was one cameraman and one audio engineer. And I was just like, Steven Spielberg. I've been cast. I've made it. Mama, no more chores for me. In the third grade, and my sister...

• 8:03Drew Afualo?

  You tell your mom you can retire.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  I was like, "You know what? You working too hard, baby." "I think you know what? I think we done with that." "Let's go get on this boat." And she was like, "How about you get these dishes at this dishwasher?"

• 8:14Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  But like, as a kid, like, I knew this is what I wanted to do. I wanted to, and I remember going to the first game where they played the video, the first home game, and like, the lights go down and the crowd goes crazy. And I didn't, I didn't even then have this misconception that they were cheering for me, but I did have an idea or an understanding that the work that we, as a team, put together, people were reacting to.

• 8:39Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  And we were a part of this bigger spectacle, this bigger show. And I wanted to be able to impact people that way. I wanted to work on teams where that was the intention. And so, I pursued this thing from literally the third grade.

• 8:52Drew Afualo?

  Look at you.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  And started as, we had a television show on MTV2 when I was in school, when I was in high school, called 360 Degrees. It's still my email address to this day.

• 9:03Drew Afualo?

  That's so cool. I love that.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  To this day. And so, we were like, youth producer, youth directed television show, and like, we talked about everything.

• 9:12Drew Afualo?

  Very cool.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? From like teen homelessness to college, to sex, to like, I remember, I did a demonstration, I did a demonstration on 360, on how to properly put on a condom.

• 9:22Drew Afualo?

  Whoa.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  And I also put on, I put a condom on some of the most outrageous things to show that it will always fit.

• 9:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Don't let them lie to you.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Girl, it don't, baby.

• 9:34Drew Afualo?

  Nice try.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  It don't. I'm wearing it as a stocking right now.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  That gonna fit in that.

• 9:40Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  Or it ain't going in that.

• 9:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I could put it on like a compression sock, so you can fit in there.

• 9:44Speaker 01

  Quite literally. Three of you. With no problem.

• 9:48Drew Afualo?

  Let's all get in together, actually.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Matter of fact, let me get in, you do what you was gonna do, and I'm just be in it. So, we, you know, early, early on, and I was affirmed in that, right? Like, we had demonstrated success on this show. I remember I interviewed Erykah Badu in her dressing room after a performance, and she's, we sat down on the floor, and we talked for an hour.

• 10:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  And she, I remember she grabbed my face, and she was like, "You protect this." I was in, I was maybe a junior in high school. She was like, "You protect this. This is not easy or common."

• 10:18Drew Afualo?

  Me getting chills.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:19Drew Afualo?

  Thinking about Erykah Badu doing that to me.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Grabbing my face?

• 10:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  The?

• 10:23Drew Afualo?

  Anointed.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  Erykah? Badu?

• 10:26Drew Afualo?

  She anointed you.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Baby, I feel like, for real, though.

• 10:29Drew Afualo?

  No, for real.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  And so, like, it has been a crazy, crazy, crazy ride ever since. I mean, I went to, I worked hard news before, working in entertainment news.

• 10:39Drew Afualo?

  I was gonna ask, too, if you've ever dabbled in other areas of, like, broadcast journalism, like, if you had ever done serious news, too. How was that?

• 10:45Speaker 01

  I did hard news for a while first.

• 10:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  And then got the fuck up out of that. I just, I remember my, the last story, the last, like, ongoing story or conflict that I, that I covered in hard news, or CBS News, anchored, um, Channel One News. Famously also anchored by Maria Menounos, Anderson Cooper, Lisa Ling.

• 11:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  And so to be on that wall, that mantle of, like, excellence.

• 11:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  I was like, "Oh, shit, this is, this is really something awesome."

• 11:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  And I watched Channel One when I was in school.

• 11:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I was covering Boca Haram. I don't know if you remember, it was the, there was a, there was a campaign.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  These girls were stolen from their school. Stolen from their school, kidnapped from their school, and were missing for months.

• 11:37Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my God.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  And then started to return to villages, pregnant.

• 11:43Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my God.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  And, um, Michelle Obama led this campaign called Bring Our Girls Back.

• 11:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  And I covered that news story.

• 11:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  That occurrence, because it was more than a news story, and this is why I got out of it.

• 11:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  Because I started, we had to, because of the, the sheer number of things you're covering at a, at a time.

• 12:02Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  And the amount of terrible things that are happening in our world at any given point. In order to move through it with any sort of, like,

• 12:12Speaker 01

  sanity.

• 12:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  You have to sort of sanitize.

• 12:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Those experiences.

• 12:17Drew Afualo?

  Like, remove the humanity from it, in order to move through it.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  In order to just do your job.

• 12:21Drew Afualo?

  To be able to, like, stomach it and go through it.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so that, our job in particular was also, we were informing the next generation of leaders, um, creatives, uh, adults. And so, how we covered those stories are really, really important.

• 12:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  We took it very, very seriously.

• 12:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  And I, I'll never forget, like, there was another school shooting.

• 12:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  And one of the conversations, because it just has to be, up top, was, "How many dead?"

• 12:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  And I was like, "I cannot, I cannot do this."

• 12:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  "I cannot do this."

• 12:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you'll, you won't be able to keep going at the pace, yeah.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  I, it is not healthy for me.

• 12:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  And I, I think I have done what I needed to do in.

• 13:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, almost too empathetic, right?

• 13:05Speaker 01

  You know?

• 13:05Drew Afualo?

  To be able to do that kind of reporting, I get it.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I didn't wanna, I didn't want to develop the kind of skin.

• 13:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  That was, that would be required for me in order to do that.

• 13:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  And so, I started with, I started with a class of freshmen as viewers of the show.

• 13:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  And then, when they graduate, as they graduated for, in four years, as seniors, I graduated from that experience and went directly into Access Hollywood.

• 13:29Drew Afualo?

  And then, how was that shift, when you pivoted?

• 13:31Speaker 01

  Baby!

• 13:32Drew Afualo?

  Into Access Hollywood?

• 13:32Speaker 01

  Toodle-oo! Oh, my God! But, what, so, what was so crazy is I walked right out of, um, like, Boca Haram, and the madness of, uh, the, the news cycle in hard news, and walked directly into, Caitlyn Jenner's Vanity Fair reveal.

• 13:52Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  Like, I showed, I remember being on the carpet for the CFDA's, and I showed Kim Kardashian the cover for the first time.

• 14:00Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  She was like, "Oh, my God, I've not seen it in person."

• 14:04Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Like, that was my first story for Access Hollywood.

• 14:08Drew Afualo?

  Damn.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  My first interview was Taylor Swift for Access Hollywood, and I wasn't even working for Access Hollywood at the time.

• 14:13Drew Afualo?

  Damn, they say cold plunge, just start getting there.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  What you gonna do?

• 14:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  What you gonna do?

• 14:16Drew Afualo?

  Sink or swim, mama.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Hello?

• 14:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And look at you, swimming girl.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  You hear me?

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Swimming!

• 14:27Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was nuts.

• 14:28Drew Afualo?

  And the, I'm sure the, the pivot to, and then just kind of being tossed in the deep end, how did you feel? Were you excited? Stuff like that excites me sometimes.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Yes, oh, my God, I was so excited.

• 14:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  And when, I knew it was going well, when we were slated for a seven-minute interview with Taylor, we were slated for a seven-minute interview, and by like fifteen minutes in, no one was in the room, like, and she was like.

• 14:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's the best.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? So, like, she was leaned in.

• 14:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  You can get someone like Taylor Swift, who's been interviewed a billion times.

• 14:58Drew Afualo?

  Billions of times.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  You know, not anymore, because, you know, we don't do interviews anymore. But like, you know what I'm saying?

• 15:04Drew Afualo?

  Right, right.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  But like, when you get someone like that to lean in, because they're having a conversation they've not had before, or weren't expecting.

• 15:11Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  I was like, "Okay, cool, cool, cool." So then we went like another, I think it was twenty minutes.

• 15:15Drew Afualo?

  Look at you.

• 15:15Speaker 01

  Over twenty minutes. And she was like, "Oh, my God, did you get what you needed? Because I was just talking to you. Oh, my, I'm so sorry." I was like, "Girl, yeah, we good."

• 15:22Drew Afualo?

  You're like, "Yeah, honestly, you're really holding me up, so if you can head out, that'd be great."

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Can you wrap this shit? Can you?

• 15:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're kind of doing a lot of this, mama. I got things to do.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Taylor, if you can give me one of these.

• 15:31Drew Afualo?

  I'm sorry, what's your name again?

• 15:32Speaker 01

  Tay-Tay.

• 15:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm really over it.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:34Drew Afualo?

  So.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Wow, another album? How does she do it? No, it was, it was, it was wild.

• 15:39Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  And so, I was like, "Yeah, no, girl, we, we're good. Can we take this selfie real quick?" And she was so accommodating. She was so pleasant, so, um, sweet.

• 15:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  She sent an email and a voice, a voicemail, um, after that to the producer, and was like, "Anytime y'all want me to do something, I want to do it with him." Like, anytime you want, send him, we'll get it done.

• 16:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you got that magic about you. I love that.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  It was awesome.

• 16:04Drew Afualo?

  And it is a superpower, it's a skill.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  It is.

• 16:06Drew Afualo?

  Like, it really is, and I, you know, I'm sure you can relate to this, too, because you've been doing it far longer than me, but I, I literally have told people before, like, interviewing, like, the, the questions, obviously, are important. Your research is important, all of that is important, but like, sixty percent of the gig is like personality. It's like magnetism. It's the ability to get them to like you, like.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  It is, it is.

• 16:26Drew Afualo?

  Quickly, because they only have so much time.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  Anyone, I mean, I shouldn't say anyone, the perfectly phrased, perfectly researched question.

• 16:34Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Can die.

• 16:36Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  By the connection created in the room.

• 16:39Drew Afualo?

  Yes, exactly.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  I should say, can die without the, the, the best connection in the room.

• 16:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  And so, I have always felt like, I want the, the energy to be one of like, "Oh, this is an interruption of all of the other stuff I've done today."

• 16:55Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  If we're in a junket, and they've got forty interviews they've gotta do in this, in this day, I want, when I walk in the room, that it feels totally different than anything else that has happened that day.

• 17:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Yeah! You know what I mean?

• 17:08Drew Afualo?

  I was gonna ask you, too, like, if, do you approach interviews differently, depending on, like, who it is, or do you kind of have like a, a set standard of like, this is the kind of energy I like to establish and kind of see where it goes? Like, I'm so curious, like, what do you, what do you think and feel going into interviews? Because you've obviously, you've interviewed so much A-list level talent.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:27Drew Afualo?

  Because a lot of people, I think, worry, I'm sure you get questions all the time, if you get nervous. I don't know about you, but like, I never get nervous talking to people, only because I see them as people. Like, I'm like, I don't see them, I don't pedestalize them the way that I think a lot of people do.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Oh, baby, I do.

• 17:40Drew Afualo?

  I, I do in the sense of, like, I honor their talents, but I don't, but I never think they're better than me, if that makes sense.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Let Oprah Winfrey sit in this chair. She better than me.

• 17:49Drew Afualo?

  I say all that unless I talk to Beyonce, and that's different.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Oh, my God! I, I, I wish I could be, I wish I were evolved enough that I could be like, "Oh, these people that I love, their work that I followed for years, and, and has been a part of my life, that, I wish that I could be like, 'Yeah, it's really no big deal.'" And I think part of the way that I channeled that, those nerves, and I don't mean to say that, like, your experience is.

• 18:14Drew Afualo?

  No, no, no, I get what you're saying.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying?

• 18:15Drew Afualo?

  No, we're, honestly, I think saying the same thing, looking at it from two different sides, because I think the way you're saying it, too, is like, it, it's like acknowledging that I can be honest, if I'm honest about, like, how much I do love them, then it kind of takes this weird energy out of the room.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:29Drew Afualo?

  You know what I mean?

• 18:29Speaker 01

  And it doesn't necessarily have to be that, like, I need to share with you, "Oh, my God, I love you so much. The, the song that you wrote when I was, um, um, in, in middle school, really, like, it was the soundtrack." I'm not saying that that's, that's what I have to share.

• 18:41Drew Afualo?

  No, totally.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  But certainly, I, because of that, that feeling, that, that history.

• 18:46Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  I do want people to feel like I know what I'm talking about.

• 18:51Drew Afualo?

  That, too, yes, totally.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Right? Like, I do want people to know that, like, there is, there's a deep, deeper history than me sitting here with these questions.

• 18:57Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  And I think that, the, even in my, like, genuine awe of, of how people, in particular creators, um, creatives, performers, are able to do what they do, because that is like. Aw, inspiring to me, right?

• 19:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  There is also an element of like, I wanna show up the most myself.

• 19:23Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  I possibly can.

• 19:24Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  And for so long, I didn't.

• 19:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Cause I thought I had to do something else.

• 19:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  And so.

• 19:29Drew Afualo?

  Or appear a certain way.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:31Drew Afualo?

  When you're talking to them.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I think that's, that's kind of where, where I was trying to go with it is more so like, I think if I'm so convicted in myself and my abilities, it kind of takes the fear out of it because I don't, I don't feel inferior.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Now, that's real.

• 19:45Drew Afualo?

  And that would make me feel like I have to prove something, right? So I don't necessarily feel like I have to prove something, but I do wanna show up prepared.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 19:52Drew Afualo?

  And professional, but I also wanna be myself, like you said, like I, I love the, that's why I think I love your interview so much because so much of you is put in the interview. It's like, it's like a genuine conversation. And I think that's why celebrities really love you because it's like, they, they've been interviewed many, many times. They answer the same questions constantly, they say the same things always, especially when they're promoting the same project, right? But when they talk to someone like you, they feel like they can have like a conversation. And that's like something where you're both talking and you're both kind of feeding into this conversation of like, whatever you're talking about, whether it's their career or your personal experiences, like there's room for all of it.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 20:28Drew Afualo?

  And that's why I love your interviews so much.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I appreciate that because you get that.

• 20:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  And it's also your approach.

• 20:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 20:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  How can I also bring the person watching this into this interaction? How can I bring the person who's, who's engaging with this on social media into this interaction, right? How can I make it, how can I be so myself?

• 20:49Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  That someone watching feels like it's them in the chair.

• 20:52Drew Afualo?

  Yes, exactly, totally.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  And if it's not them, that maybe that Nina Simone said that she believed, and I believe that's attributed to Nina Simone, that the job of the creative, and I'm paraphrasing, but the job of the creative is to create in such a way that those who experience your art go in pursuit of a richer, fuller, truer expression of themselves.

• 21:14Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  That the art is so real, it's so true, it's so authentic.

• 21:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  That it inspires other people to be like, you know what, you're dead.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  I gotta do something.

• 21:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  I can't just like this, I gotta.

• 21:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, you know, just like you gotta, I gotta do some.

• 21:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  This man is going to kill me. He's like, all of this sound coming from this little.

• 21:38Drew Afualo?

  Believe it or not, he's used to hearing me, so it's alright.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  I didn't.

• 21:41Drew Afualo?

  I've broken that sound barrier with Dylan many times.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  Oh my god, Dylan is like, shut the hell, could you bring it down? Could you bring it down? He was, before we started, he was like, if you, you wanna bring that, I said, you probably.

• 21:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, go ahead and move that away from you. Yeah, go ahead and put some distance between you and that mic.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  I'm just trusting me, man. Trusting me on this. He took the headphones off, he said, don't need that.

• 22:01Drew Afualo?

  He's a poof shawna, I can hear you, I can hear you, I don't need the.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  I got, I don't need it. Turn that right up, just take the mic off, just turn it off.

• 22:07Drew Afualo?

  So, speaking of like, what was your first interview? I mean, obviously you started out the gate real strong, but like, what was the first interview you had where you were like, oh, oh my gosh, I can't believe it? Like, one that you were like, oh my god, I can't believe I get to talk to them finally, or this is awesome, like, whether, they don't necessarily have to be the most famous.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  So many times.

• 22:24Drew Afualo?

  But just the most, what, what was, okay, your first, most impactful.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  I'll tell you the one that, that really, I'll tell you the one that, that, I've had that feeling a lot, but the one that surprised me with like, how they showed up in it.

• 22:35Drew Afualo?

  Ooh, okay.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  That like really stands out that I haven't talked about before.

• 22:39Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Eddie Murphy.

• 22:41Drew Afualo?

  Interesting.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Eddie, cause you know Eddie can be Eddie, listen to me.

• 22:45Drew Afualo?

  Eddie, Eddie Murphy.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  You know Eddie, you know Eddie can be a little, you know, tough to interview.

• 22:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  If you've ever interviewed, if you've ever interviewed him, he is not the persona that he is in any of his movies or on SNL. He is almost stoic.

• 22:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  And you really do have to like, one, you have to show up and you have to know your stuff.

• 23:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  And you have to almost like cue memories of his because he's also an incredible storyteller and he's got some of the most unreal stories ever.

• 23:15Drew Afualo?

  Oh, girl, I can only imagine.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Do you know what I'm saying?

• 23:16Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  And so we were, I'll never forget, we had gotten all these like ground rules about one of the movies he was promoting. Um, it must have been Beverly Hills Cop.

• 23:27Drew Afualo?

  Ooh, okay.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Beverly Hills Cop.

• 23:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  And I, I just remember seeing the trailer, at that point, we hadn't seen the movie.

• 23:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  And he was like jumping from, um, on, on like these rooftops.

• 23:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  In these really tight jeans, like, a couple of weeks ago. Like, it was like, you're currently wearing the OG Beverly Hills Cop jeans. And I was like, I must have said something to the effect of like, bro, I know at some point you were like, can we add another button to these jeans? Cause like, these tight ass jeans, I'm over here rockin' and rollin'. Yeah, my god, he was like, no, but, he said, thank you for saying that. He was like, I know I looked good in them, but hell, I was.

• 24:05Drew Afualo?

  But damn.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  He said, at one point, I was like, I'm not doing no more running. He said, you, you got it, you got it, I'm clocked out.

• 24:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  I said, you wanna get your time cruise on?

• 24:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  And there was something in that, that like, he looked at me and he was like,

• 24:20Speaker 01

  you're excellent.

• 24:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Is the feeling that I got was like you. And so then the, the junket tried to rap me.

• 24:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  And he was like, no, no, we're good, you got another question? And I was like, shit, do I?

• 24:32Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, do I?

• 24:34Speaker 01

  And then he, and, and, and he, he ended, he ended up telling me this incredible story about, um, uh, uh, him introducing Keenan Wayans to, um, Rick James at the club.

• 24:49Drew Afualo?

  No big deal.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  While he was wearing the leather outfit from his, while Keenan was wearing the leather outfit from his standup special. And I believe it was the, the delirious.

• 24:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, the all red and black one?

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  He's wearing it. Keenan is wearing Eddie Murphy's le, it was tight on Eddie.

• 25:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he's like, Rick James, I'm so sorry, but, sorry I didn't mean to do this.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  He ripped through it at the club. He ripped through it at the club. He told me this story that was one of the most, like, so Rick James moments.

• 25:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Like so Rick James moments. And I remember getting up to walk out of the room and he was like, I had a pleasure talking to you.

• 25:26Drew Afualo?

  That's so cool.

• 25:27Speaker 01

  And I was like, I could just die.

• 25:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you know, period.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  Cool, I was like, turns out I need a raise.

• 25:33Drew Afualo?

  And also, can I say, Party All The Time by Eddie Murphy is one of my favorite songs, sorry.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Like legitimately.

• 25:39Drew Afualo?

  Down with that one, that's, every time that song comes on, I feel.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  My girl wants to.

• 25:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  I'll do it in the red. Party all the time.

• 25:47Drew Afualo?

  I was like, he needs to get back in the booth, make more of those.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? Should've won a Grammy. And he's still hot about it because Lionel Richie won.

• 25:53Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 25:54Speaker 01

  Lionel Richie won, uh, um, uh, or got to number one instead of Party All The Time that year.

• 25:59Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Or that, uh, on that Billboard chart, and he was like, motherfucker.

• 26:03Drew Afualo?

  That song is so good.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  It's, have you heard, um, what's up, what's up, what's up with you?

• 26:11Drew Afualo?

  I don't think so.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  It's Eddie Murphy and Michael Jackson?

• 26:14Drew Afualo?

  Oh, no way.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Also, the references, the leather, the red leather cue. I'm just like, yes, I am, they're all running through me right now. It's ridiculous. If, if you have not ever seen that, what's up, please? It's like, it's like two people at the height of their fame who just, you can't tell them no.

• 26:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  And so they were like.

• 26:38Drew Afualo?

  They can just do whatever.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  They were like probably shrooming in the backyard.

• 26:43Drew Afualo?

  Just in there doing bullshit.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  And Eddie said, turn the fucking camera on. And Mike said, what's up?

• 26:50Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 26:51Speaker 01

  What's up?

• 26:51Drew Afualo?

  What an insane story to have too, like what an insane story to have.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  And then to have put it out, it's like a single.

• 27:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  What's up?

• 27:02Drew Afualo?

  Well, when you're Michael Jackson, you could do anything.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  He did.

• 27:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's why I said, you could do whatever you want, honestly, fuck it.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  It's like in the music video with sunglasses on, he's just like.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  I said, what is, this, what is this?

• 27:16Drew Afualo?

  That is crazy.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Thank y'all for putting the home videos online. Appreciate it.

• 27:20Drew Afualo?

  Before, before they were PR trained enough to not do that.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  To not do that shit.

• 27:24Drew Afualo?

  To not do that shit.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  Cause right now, there's an influencer right now like, what's up?

• 27:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 27:30Drew Afualo?

  Documenting their every waking thought.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  Not the same.

• 27:32Drew Afualo?

  We never used to get that shit.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  It's not the same, you have not earned that.

• 27:37Drew Afualo?

  I was like, that's actually a good transition because I'm so curious to know your thoughts since you've been, you hosted in broadcast journalism a very traditional way. And then obviously now you have your own show as well too, which we will get to also. But I'm so curious how you've seen the shift in terms of like, the industry blending with the internet and like hosting. Cause I'm sure you've seen plenty of people who are influencers first, they get asked to host things and they offend celebrities, they say the wrong thing, they, they, they do something that is like, I guess would not be, I guess, expected of a traditional journalist.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Like 101.

• 28:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then you see this discourse about like, this is why we shouldn't have online people on carpets, this is why everyone should be a journalist, all that stuff. And I will say, and I have said this before, I do have a degree in journalism.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 28:21Drew Afualo?

  So, and I did major in broadcast journalism.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 28:24Drew Afualo?

  And I learned how to write, I have a whole like, what do you call it, reel.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  Key though, key though, learned how to write.

• 28:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  I mean, cause we got motherfuckers who got jobs that can't even read.

• 28:33Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying, that's like, yeah, the literacy crisis is up, mama.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  I'm just, and I'm just saying. Look, I'm.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  I'm just saying.

• 28:43Drew Afualo?

  It, we, it has to be said.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  I'm just saying, we gotta talk about it. Okay? Y'all gotta, y'all gotta know how to read.

• 28:49Drew Afualo?

  You gotta start reading again.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 28:51Drew Afualo?

  Let's bring reading back.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Let's bring, who thought we'd ever be at a, at a time where we would say that?

• 28:57Drew Afualo?

  Please bring reading back.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Please learn how to read, if you gonna have a job.

• 29:01Drew Afualo?

  Please, please, thank you.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Just read the words that are there.

• 29:04Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Actually, yeah.

• 29:07Drew Afualo?

  I'm so curious to know your thoughts on like, on that kind of discourse, that, that kind of, um, understanding of it. Cause what I've said before, when I've been asked about it is like, it really, you could have all the training in the world and you could still offend someone. So that's, it's a, that is possible that will happen and that's.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  Oh, it's happened to me.

• 29:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  And, and I didn't even do it.

• 29:25Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Like it was a headline that was written, oh shit.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Woo, caught that one.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  I also have a degree.

• 29:36Drew Afualo?

  By the way.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Because the offense doesn't all, isn't, is certainly rarely intentional.

• 29:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Right?

• 29:44Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  And so there are things that you can control, things you, but all experience is what teaches you a lot of that.

• 29:50Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  And, and the thing about journalists, when you're trained, is you have opportunities with smaller audiences or no audiences to try things and fail.

• 30:01Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Or to learn hard lessons. To not repeat.

• 30:06Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  When you throw an influencer into the job that it, that typically either a trained host.

• 30:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Or journalist would typically have.

• 30:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  They're learning those lessons on the broadcast.

• 30:18Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  We all gotta learn them, baby.

• 30:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's true. You just learned yours live.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Baby.

• 30:23Drew Afualo?

  And with a huge.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  And I hope the fee was worth it. I hope the fee was worth it.

• 30:29Drew Afualo?

  Shit, girl, don't even get me started.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  I hope the exclusivity ran quick.

• 30:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Cause baby.

• 30:35Drew Afualo?

  The exposure, more than anything.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  That, that damn exposure.

• 30:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, well, and that's also why.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  Don't pay me in no damn exposure.

• 30:41Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Don't pay me in no damn exposure. Oh, we're gonna, we're gonna post it and we're gonna collab.

• 30:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, okay.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  What the fuck?

• 30:48Drew Afualo?

  Well, that's great. We can, we can do that too.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  I can't eat a collab? I can't pay a mortgage with a damn collab?

• 30:54Drew Afualo?

  Shit, I said, they don't take that. They don't accept that.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  No, you, matter of fact, you call the bank and you tell them that. And see what they tell you they accept, and then you pay me in what they accept.

• 31:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that damn experience shit. They're like, oh, it's just, you get to be there, okay? And I could also be at home.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Baby, do you, have you seen my house? I love my house.

• 31:11Drew Afualo?

  I could be at home.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Baby, I could be digging in my nose. And it would be more, it would be worth more than this collab. Collab.

• 31:22Drew Afualo?

  Collab.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  You don't even have a YouTube page.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  What are we collabing on?

• 31:27Drew Afualo?

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• 32:07Drew Afualo?

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• 32:52Drew Afualo?

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• 33:37Drew Afualo?

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• 34:22Drew Afualo?

  how like, it is something that you learn on the job, right? But I've also been like, this is also something I've been saying for a long time too, hosting is a skill.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  It is, it is, it is, it is a skill.

• 34:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  It is something that you learn over time.

• 34:36Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  Through repetition.

• 34:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  And, um, feedback.

• 34:42Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  Right? And so, like, anything else you learn, like, anything else you develop, it does take time.

• 34:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  I think that the, the, to answer your question from earlier, I think that the industry is constricting in so many ways.

• 34:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  While pretending to be expanding.

• 34:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  Right? And so, it's like, the things that people used to take a chance on, now have to have an immediate return.

• 35:05Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  And had, and they have to have a return in such a way that's like, otherwise, this department goes away.

• 35:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Right? Like, these people no longer have a job, or they don't get the budgets they used to get. And so they try to bank on things that they feel like are sure things, or sure bets.

• 35:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  Because the numbers are there, right? The follower count is there. You're not even looking at engagement, cause baby, don't even get me on that.

• 35:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  Don't even get me started on that. I have to put the ski masks back on. Because like, it's, it's, we're in this situation where everyone is looking for a win.

• 35:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  One of the, the members of Netflix Development, one of the development executives over there said, baby, you, you need a hit.

• 35:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  You got to have a hit. If you don't, like, what are we doing if there's not a hit?

• 35:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  And so people try to, to, to use, um, individuals who have hits in other places, like, oh, that must translate.

• 35:56Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. That's, that, that's my exact point, because I'm saying, just because, just because someone is comfortable talking to their phone.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:03Drew Afualo?

  Does not mean that they will do well in this environment.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 36:06Drew Afualo?

  And something else, I, I.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  For the people in the back.

• 36:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, and it's, it doesn't, in, in your, I feel like there's like this complete misconception on hosting and how it feels to be on carpets, and you know this too. When you do get talent, you got about two minutes, max.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  I literally just had, I'm, I was sitting in your green room, beautiful green room, by the way. Also, the lights, the, the snacks, I said, Drew got budget. Oh my god, money!

• 36:30Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, yeah, look at these costumes, they're paying the bills.

• 36:35Drew Afualo?

  Believe it or not, you know, this right here is what's putting food in that green room, so.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Thank you, chips. Thank you. Thank you to our sponsor.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  I, I, I think that, you know, there's, there is this idea that like, you went over there, you're gonna win over here, and it's, it's gonna be all good.

• 36:53Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  Those carpets are madness.

• 36:56Drew Afualo?

  They are, they're insane.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  I was just like, I was just talking to a producer and, and very good friend of mine, who's now an agent, and she was like, hey, I'm gonna be bringing a client to you. Oh, when is this? When is this?

• 37:04Drew Afualo?

  This comes out next week, so.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  So, this was it, so, I just did the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show.

• 37:10Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  And unreal.

• 37:13Drew Afualo?

  Killer. They could not have picked a better person, by the way.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  You know what? I'm gonna stand on that.

• 37:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm telling you.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  I'm gonna stand on that.

• 37:19Drew Afualo?

  I don't even need to see the evidence to know that's true.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Baby! And there's like a really cool story that like, ties into this, like a decade, a decade in the making, it's unreal. But like, I was talking to a friend who was bringing one of her clients by, and she was like, she sends me this like, maybe, maybe six or seven questions.

• 37:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  She's like, you, I know you're gonna, it's gonna be great, here's some questions, here's some ideas, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, we got two minutes, what's the question?

• 37:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  I got one. What's the one? And she was like, oh my god, this is why I love you, because we need to get right to the thing. And I was like, yeah, let's get right to the thing.

• 37:47Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 37:48Speaker 01

  We don't have time for nothing else.

• 37:49Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  And it's never like calm, cool, or fun.

• 37:52Drew Afualo?

  No, no.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  The carpets.

• 37:53Drew Afualo?

  No, never.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  It's always hot.

• 37:55Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I can't.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  It's always hot.

• 37:57Drew Afualo?

  Take it anymore.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  It's always too close.

• 37:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  With like strangers.

• 38:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  Elbows.

• 38:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  The Oscars.

• 38:03Drew Afualo?

  Girl, don't even get me started on the Oscars.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Is one of the most difficult carpets.

• 38:06Drew Afualo?

  I agree. And also hottest, there is never any air, and every year, they're like, god, it's so hot in here. It's almost like you guys do this every year. It's almost like you do it every year and you still don't know.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Is this a, is this a different team?

• 38:19Speaker 01

  Have you never seen the Oscars before?

• 38:20Drew Afualo?

  And it's in the same spot every fucking year.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  Girl.

• 38:22Drew Afualo?

  And they're always like, well, I guess we can't put air in here.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Please be here the night before. So you can, so you can be on the carpet in time.

• 38:31Drew Afualo?

  No, for real.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  So, and there's no, no shade to, well, a little shade to the Oscars, but like, you know.

• 38:36Drew Afualo?

  They'll be fine, it's okay.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  I'm just saying, like, give, give us some AC.

• 38:38Drew Afualo?

  Hello.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  That's, that's the hashtag we need.

• 38:41Drew Afualo?

  Less flowers, more AC.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:43Drew Afualo?

  Less flowers. I know you spent crazy money on those flowers.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:45Drew Afualo?

  More AC.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Oscars, so AC, is what we should be saying. Oscars so cool. Oscars so chilly.

• 38:52Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  I would love to say that.

• 38:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  So, you know, these carpets are, the people, I, all the time I hear, um, oh my god, I wanna do what you do.

• 39:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  Or, um, you know, I wanna be a red carpet, um, host. And it's like, I don't know if that's really what you wanna do. I'm not gonna yuck yo yum. But I will say, if that's something that you wanna be doing, you should be doing some element of that now.

• 39:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  So like, what, what kind of carpet, uh, what kind of carpet coverage could you be creating, promoting, or not creating, developing?

• 39:22Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  Using what's already happening, if you can't be on a carpet.

• 39:25Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  So that you're a part of those experiences, you're a part of that content.

• 39:28Drew Afualo?

  Cutting your teeth.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:29Drew Afualo?

  And getting, well, and that's why, that's why, like, I'm glad you, you're like with me on the same, the same kinda wavelength of like, talking in front of a camera, talking to a camera by yourself is one thing. Being able to engage someone else, who, first of all, is really fucking famous, also has been heard, has heard every question you could possibly think of.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Every single question.

• 39:47Drew Afualo?

  And also might be irritated when they get to you.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  Very likely, ready to go.

• 39:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Because you know why? It's hot as fuck.

• 39:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's hot as fuck, and this is my 30th interview, and I can't breathe.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Oh my god, what did you say your name once again?

• 40:00Speaker 01

  What?

• 40:01Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's another reason why.

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Did you just ask me if I had to audition? The sounds this jacket is making is sending me.

• 40:10Drew Afualo?

  The obscene sounds your jacket is making.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 40:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, me too.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 40:15Drew Afualo?

  I'm enjoying it.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  It's just like to have that like, okay, bet.

• 40:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  I hear you.

• 40:20Drew Afualo?

  You're so me. That's why I was like, I knew you would get me on that because I almost feel like, I'm like, well, I guess we'll see, won't we?

• 40:25Speaker 01

  I guess we'll see, won't we?

• 40:26Drew Afualo?

  It's because you're just like me where I'm like, it's really hard to not love me.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Baby. What she say? I make it so easy.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  How could you not? How could you not love me?

• 40:36Drew Afualo?

  Listen.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:37Drew Afualo?

  And I know that's why. I know that's part of your magnetism too. And that's also something I've, I've told people, that's like the only part that I think is on, is untouchable and is specific to the host, right? Having that kind of magnetism because that's just inlaid in them and that's not something you can control. But I agree with your point on like, there is like a, a level of skill you have to develop to get to those kinds of carpets because, not for nothing, sometimes I'm like, well, when people are hypercritical of influencers on carpets, I understand it, like to an extent. And then there's also the other half of it, which is like, maybe it's not influencers, maybe it's who they're picking. Like maybe, maybe they should be picking people who regularly host, who do things quite frequently where they're with other talent.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 41:18Drew Afualo?

  But I also think I'm like.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Or are interested.

• 41:20Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. The other, the other half of that too is like, they just wanted to be there. So they went, not necessarily because they want to host, they just wanted to go to the event.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 41:27Drew Afualo?

  And award season is fucking hard. Like.

• 41:29Speaker 01

  Baby.

• 41:30Drew Afualo?

  That is a marathon, girl. Yeah.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  It ain't for, you better drink your juice, Shelby.

• 41:36Drew Afualo?

  Oh my God. The way I'm just trying to stay alive. I literally.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Do you hear me?

• 41:39Drew Afualo?

  When I did actor awards last year, one of the questions I asked was, so this is like second to last award show of the season, like if you're not counting Emmys, obviously, because they just count up to Oscars and then Emmys, they have more break between.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  It's like, what the hell?

• 41:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  The whole, it's the Emmy season for the year.

• 41:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I was like, how does it feel? I was like, is it feeling like, you know, my nipples are bleeding and this is my last lap on the marathon?

• 42:00Speaker 01

  On the marathon, come on.

• 42:01Drew Afualo?

  Are we finishing strong? Are we pacing strong?

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:03Drew Afualo?

  And they're always like, God, you know, I'm feeling good. I'm feeling good, exhausted. And it's like one of those where I feel like if you have enough experience, you can sense energies better.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  And you have a shared experience.

• 42:15Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  It's not so like, oh my God, the spectacle of this, isn't this great? And it's like, no, bitch, I'm at work. They're like, I can't breathe in this dress.

• 42:24Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  I'm trying to figure out how I can take these shoes off.

• 42:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Uh, uh, my dog shit in the car on the way here and your breath stink. No, I'm not having a great time.

• 42:34Drew Afualo?

  We need to address.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  We need to address.

• 42:37Drew Afualo?

  In this industry.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  In, it is an unspoken issue.

• 42:42Drew Afualo?

  But it is a prevalent issue. How many times have you been confronted with shit like that from the most famous people in the world? Sometimes I'm like.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  That's a, ooh.

• 42:50Drew Afualo?

  You, yeah.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Can I tell you something? Oh God, fuck it. You know what? This is my life.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  I was interviewing **** on a carpet and love him. Take that back. Like him a lot.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't know that man. I don't love him. That's crazy. I don't, love him is nuts. I like, see what happens when you get in the red later? I love him. I don't love that man. That's crazy.

• 43:19Drew Afualo?

  Perfect.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  I've met him a handful of times.

• 43:21Drew Afualo?

  Got you, got you.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  And the second time, baby. You know, he's taller than me.

• 43:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  So I'm, and it's a real close carpet. And, and what I mean by close is that the crews are close, which means the stops are close, which means I had, I can't, I can't back him up enough that I don't have to look up at him like this. So we're talking like this.

• 43:41Drew Afualo?

  I hate, I hate when it's like that. Yeah, it's awful.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  And I don't know if you know this about ****, but he can, he gets very excited sometimes about things. And this was a really exciting thing. He had a huge role in this movie.

• 43:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  And he was very, and I was excited for him, with him.

• 43:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  And his first response, the mouth got a little juicy.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  And he went to answer the question and I saw the little bead of spit leave his mouth and land on my cheek.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  And I saw him see me, see it, see on my skin. I saw it in real time. I saw him.

• 44:25Drew Afualo?

  The real time exchange.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  See me, see it, see my skin, right? That was the order. And before, there's, okay. I had to calm down. I was like, I gotta take a breath.

• 44:39Drew Afualo?

  Your heart's like a.

• 44:40Speaker 01

  My racing. Is that Kathy?

• 44:42Drew Afualo?

  As I'm reliving.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Reliving trauma. He very clearly was like, I just spit on this man's face. What do I do? But I didn't notice that in the, this is, I was watching the video back.

• 44:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  In the, in the moment, I went, ugh.

• 45:02Drew Afualo?

  You're so me. I'm sorry.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  I'm sorry that you spit on me.

• 45:09Drew Afualo?

  Alexa, play only human.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  You're not.

• 45:11Drew Afualo?

  I can't do this.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  I cannot do this.

• 45:13Drew Afualo?

  I'm sorry. I'm also a human. I'm sorry.

• 45:16Speaker 01

  Alexa, play Hot Two. Cause that's what it felt like. I said, oh my God.

• 45:23Drew Afualo?

  He said, oh.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  I said, oh.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  He said, I'm so sorry. I said, it's okay.

• 45:29Drew Afualo?

  Let's get back.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I had to, I had to.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Girl.

• 45:36Drew Afualo?

  Take it from the excitement. Go ahead.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  And then I was like, um, so what else would you want people to know?

• 45:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. Umbrella, please. And I, is, he has, he apologized for it profusely from afar. Um, and it was like one of those moments where.

• 45:57Drew Afualo?

  You, no amount of training in the world to prepare you for.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  You, baby, if we were live, it would have been a conversation with a producer like Scott. I'm like, he's big. What do you want me to do?

• 46:08Drew Afualo?

  What do you want from me?

• 46:10Speaker 01

  What do you want from me? You know what I'm saying? Like the latex really, I'm channeling all of it, like.

• 46:16Drew Afualo?

  It's making you a little weird.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  It's.

• 46:18Drew Afualo?

  The latex is getting you weird.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  It is getting me, but I'm into it.

• 46:21Drew Afualo?

  But in a fun way.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  You hear me? Like Halloween, you know?

• 46:24Drew Afualo?

  I look up to you as an interviewer a lot because I feel like you have mastered the ability to interject your personality into your interviewing, into your hosting. I would love to know about the show. Tell me about the show. I'd love to know the inception of it. Like what made you want to put it in the backyard? What made you want to do it in your, like at your house? Like, I'd love to know.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  First, house guest started as like a, a, a, a place I wanted to practice, right? So like I'm, I'm looking at, you know, 10,000 hours as, you know, famously kind of marked.

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• 47:37Speaker 01

  Mastery.

• 47:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Right? Mark's mastery. And so I was like, okay, how do I get my hours up? I want to be a late night host, right?

• 47:42Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  So like.

• 47:43Drew Afualo?

  Oh my God, I got chills. I'm going to manifest that for you. When I tell you, everything comes true when people say it in those chairs. You're going to be the next host of late night. Oh my God, Scott, I got chills.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  Oprah and I are such good friends. Um, I, I, um, a boat.

• 48:01Drew Afualo?

  Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  And a, a, a, a, a multi-millionaire. I don't want to be a billionaire.

• 48:08Drew Afualo?

  No, fuck no.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  I don't want it. I don't want it. Lying mostly, but I don't, I don't want it.

• 48:13Drew Afualo?

  No, no.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Cause ain't my money, no problem.

• 48:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, well, you also give more. So like when I make more, I give more and I know you do too.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:20Drew Afualo?

  You'll never get there anyways. It's okay. It's a good thing.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  At this point.

• 48:24Drew Afualo?

  I'm saying billionaire, it's evil. That's why.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  And also like, I don't, you're right.

• 48:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? But like multi, multi-millionaire.

• 48:30Drew Afualo?

  Yes, yes, obviously. Generational wealth.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. So I'm, I'm just, this is be, you know.

• 48:35Drew Afualo?

  Manifesting.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Manifesting and, you know.

• 48:36Drew Afualo?

  Perfect. Oh my God, I literally got chills like imagining you as the new host of late night. You would be incredible.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  So here's the thing.

• 48:44Drew Afualo?

  Oh my God.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  That's so crazy about what I'm about. This is about to be really crazy. Is I don't.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  Is that, am I emotional?

• 48:51Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's so sweet.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  We created this show because I wanted to get my hours up. I wanted to be able to, to demonstrate some success and proficiency in a late night format. And so we tricked the internet with like a, a daytime looking show.

• 49:08Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  That was very nighttime in content, right?

• 49:11Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  And so it was like, okay, how, and, and we did it at the house because he can't tell me no. Oh, sorry, studio's booked. What you mean it's booked? It's my kitchen.

• 49:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, period.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Who, who booked it?

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Who gonna check me boo?

• 49:24Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 49:25Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Spring, summer. It was like, it was like, we shot, it was like, how can we create our automatic yes? How can we create a win for ourselves? And initially, it was supposed to be an opportunity for me to practice in relative private. Right? We'd be able to garner a small audience and be able to like, try things and fail, you know, basically, early on in my career.

• 49:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Like restart that for late night.

• 49:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  And the first episode went viral. Hailey Bieber reaching out and being like, this is the funniest shit I have ever seen. This is hilarious. Her and Erwan going back and forth over the smoothie. I was like, what? Are we, am I an influencer?

• 50:04Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Like, have we influenced? Have we influenced?

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Industry?

• 50:09Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  So, it was like, an opportunity for us to own a win for ourselves.

• 50:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  And the reason why I got emotional a moment ago is because I've never said this before, but like, I wanted to be a late night host.

• 50:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  And I am.

• 50:27Drew Afualo?

  Yes, you are.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  And so like, when you realize that you're, like, for real, you're living your dream.

• 50:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  And that your words have power, that your actions are met with a universe, an energy that is conspiring or interested in your highest good.

• 50:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, your success.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  That's a wild, wild thing to.

• 50:58Drew Afualo?

  It is, absolutely. I also want to commend you too, for you saying you wanted to clock more hours, like, you, as someone who had been working consistently at a high level of interviewing, and you're still sharpening your saw, like, you're still staying, you know, like, keen on like, what can, how can I be better? How can I, you know, expand? How can I evolve? Or even just add more to your multi hyphenate, like, already?

• 51:22Speaker 01

  Undeniable is the, is the idea.

• 51:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  When, when someone is, when someone is considering me for a job, or considering me for anything, I want, when my name comes up, they're like, yep.

• 51:33Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  What I really want is for them to creating, for them to be creating with me.

• 51:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  In mind.

• 51:39Drew Afualo?

  Yes, totally.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  But certainly, that if that's not the case, when my name comes up, they're like, yeah.

• 51:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, easy.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  In fact, that the, that the biggest hurdle might be, can we afford them?

• 51:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Period. And I guess we'll see.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  And we'll. Send the offer. What's your budget?

• 51:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, let's talk.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  Negotiation 101. What's your budget? What do you mean what my rate card is? I don't have a rate card. What's your budget?

• 52:06Drew Afualo?

  Amen, amen, Sis.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:08Drew Afualo?

  You know what's funny? I, I do want to, well, I want to go back to Houseguests, because I would love to know, you've had some incredible interviews. And when me and Scott actually did a YouTube panel together the other day, and I was commending you on your Jill Scott interview, because I thought it was just unbelievable and incredible and moving. And I love to see when, especially when hosts can connect, but also when they can connect on such a personal level. And when you were talking about using one of her songs as a monologue, I was moved to tears. It was so beautiful. That's like, one of my favorite parts of interviewing, is getting to connect on that kind of level.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:40Drew Afualo?

  And then you get to see these people that people have revered and loved from afar. Like, for so many years, you get to see them in a completely different light.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 52:49Drew Afualo?

  And you get to see them in a way that nobody's ever seen them before. And you brought that gift. I think that's so incredible and amazing. So I would love to know, you've had so many huge names on Houseguests, obviously, and you've had these really impactful conversations. But I'm curious, who's been like, one of the coolest ones you've had? I'm sure they're all the same level of cool.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 53:10Drew Afualo?

  Okay, well, perfect. I would love to know.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Not the same level of cool.

• 53:12Drew Afualo?

  Which one has been your most impactful?

• 53:14Speaker 01

  Because like, you know, there, there are different things that come up, right?

• 53:16Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Like, one is like, super, like, one is super fun, another is like, incredibly deep, another is like, oh, that was all just like, that is really cool for the show. That they came here, that they wanted to do our show.

• 53:29Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  It's really a good look for us.

• 53:31Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  Regardless of what we talked about.

• 53:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  I have had, first, thank you. Because, and I, and I want to acknowledge that, because the Jill Scott interview, for me, I worried, when we finished, was it too specific?

• 53:46Drew Afualo?

  Oh, like two years?

• 53:47Speaker 01

  To my experience, like, were people really going to rock with the idea of like, oh, Scott is really moved by this woman?

• 53:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  And, and they have seemed to connect in a really, really impactful way, but will that translate to something meaningful to people watching?

• 54:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  And the thing that I got to, to witness incredibly.

• 54:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Was like, when you wrong, you wrong. Because people, the way that people stop and share with me, either, I didn't, one of the things that was, someone said to me, not too long ago, was, it, watching that interview healed something in me that I didn't even know.

• 54:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Was, was hurt.

• 54:28Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  Like, it woke up something in me, it, it soothed something in me.

• 54:33Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  That I had become unaware of how to address.

• 54:36Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  And now I'm creating in another way, or living in another way. And like, that was really something special.

• 54:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Truly, truly, truly. I will say, Kamala Harris coming to the house.

• 54:47Drew Afualo?

  In your house?

• 54:48Speaker 01

  For the first, the first interview for her book?

• 54:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  We didn't roll out first, because they had some other commitments, but we were the first conversation she had about the book.

• 54:59Drew Afualo?

  Crazy.

• 54:59Speaker 01

  And when she got to the house, she was like, very aware of the show. Like, where is Earl? I was like, how the fuck do you know about Earl?

• 55:06Drew Afualo?

  Isn't that crazy, when they bring up things that would imply they've been watching you?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  I said, what?

• 55:12Drew Afualo?

  Don't be watching me do things, Kamala Harris.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  I said, don't you got something else to do? Don't you got something else to do?

• 55:18Drew Afualo?

  Please don't watch me live life, Kamala Harris.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  Oh my god!

• 55:20Drew Afualo?

  Please don't do that.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  Where is the chicken? Let me go get the chicken for him right now. Meanwhile, bought a whole pizza oven to, to make an anchovy pizza.

• 55:28Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Also, don't do that shit. I tried the umami, umami.

• 55:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  I tried, I tried, and like, and I'll, if you eat it, you gotta eat it hot, you gotta eat it right then.

• 55:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  That's not what you can eat.

• 55:44Drew Afualo?

  Otherwise, yuck.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  Yuck.

• 55:46Drew Afualo?

  Yuck.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  No way!

• 55:49Drew Afualo?

  That's really cool.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  That was unreal, like, Secret Service, this is also the same week that, that the president ended their funding for Secret Service. And so she had private Secret Service. And they came to our house and, like, did the security sweep.

• 56:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  We're like, you need a hedge right here, because you need something right here, because this is a clear line of sight, from a clear, clear line of sight from another property, and that ain't gonna work. And I was like, well, you got another shrub budget?

• 56:17Drew Afualo?

  Let me know.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  You're gonna have to have somebody stand right there then, huh? Because we, listen, we, our budgets were cut too.

• 56:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? And so, literally, they had someone stand there.

• 56:26Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  It was like, cool, bet. I was like, bet, also, there's a, how many Secret Services are gonna be here?

• 56:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Somebody, he just appears behind you, huh?

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Right. He was like, I'm not telling you that. I was like, that's the hottest thing anyone has ever said. I'm not telling you that.

• 56:43Drew Afualo?

  You being gay and annoying.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  Shit, and I was like, don't. Then don't.

• 56:51Drew Afualo?

  Then don't.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Lock me up.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  I've committed a crime. I don't know if that's you, but.

• 57:00Drew Afualo?

  Let me know.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  Let me know.

• 57:01Drew Afualo?

  Maybe after the interview.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  Hello? Beep, beep.

• 57:04Drew Afualo?

  Speaking of you being annoying, I do have some fun facts about you.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 57:09Drew Afualo?

  I do have some fun facts about you.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  Okay, let's see if they're true.

• 57:11Drew Afualo?

  Yes, you'll let me know if they're fun, and then I always say this to every guest, that if you tell me they're not fun, then Amanda gets a strike against her and she'll get fired.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Ooh, okay, how many strikes has she had?

• 57:19Drew Afualo?

  She's not even here. Right now, I think she has one.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  Oh, let's, let's.

• 57:23Drew Afualo?

  As far as I know.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Let's run that up.

• 57:24Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, and me just making up numbers, probably. She did send me more fun facts, because she said you had mentioned a few of them already. So here's, oh, one of them is that you are in your high school Hall of Fame.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 57:38Drew Afualo?

  That's cool. I didn't know your, your high school has a Hall of Fame.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Baby, and I'm in it. I said, I said, good for me.

• 57:45Drew Afualo?

  There is a wall, or something at my high school, if I can remember correctly, where they put like, really like, famous, like, alum. I wonder why they haven't put me on there. I'm gonna have to look into that.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  Maybe they put you in there and they just haven't told you yet.

• 57:58Drew Afualo?

  It's a surprise for me.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:00Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  You gotta go back.

• 58:01Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Have you been back?

• 58:02Drew Afualo?

  No, I haven't.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Okay, you gotta go back.

• 58:04Drew Afualo?

  Really, you think?

• 58:04Speaker 01

  No, you do have to go back.

• 58:06Drew Afualo?

  Just to get that feeling?

• 58:07Speaker 01

  No, you have to go, you have to go back, so they could be like, you're here. We've been waiting for you.

• 58:12Drew Afualo?

  And I'm like, wow, okay, while I'm here, let's get some housekeeping stuff in order. Did you guys put me on that alum wall, or what?

• 58:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, here's the photo I want used, also, by the way. This photo. Do not use another photo. Or I'll have this shit shut down.

• 58:23Drew Afualo?

  Or also have it painted over.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. You'll be out of a job, buddy. Oh, calling a grown person buddy?

• 58:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  Oh, oh.

• 58:33Drew Afualo?

  Nice try, buddy.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Oh, white people, you ate with that. Buddy?

• 58:38Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  Call a white person at Starbucks buddy.

• 58:41Drew Afualo?

  I love when white people say white people shit like that.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  Oh, it's so good.

• 58:45Drew Afualo?

  Oh my gosh.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  Pal?

• 58:46Drew Afualo?

  One time I watched this guy yell at this one, this, like, crazy homeless woman that was harassing us, but she, she said something like, fuck you. And then he went, he went, in your dreams, sister. That ate.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Ate.

• 58:58Drew Afualo?

  Hey, ate, ate that bitch up, by the way.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Seven one. Seven one!

• 59:04Drew Afualo?

  In your dreams, sister.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  Sister.

• 59:07Drew Afualo?

  Straight guy, too.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Baby, you can tell. In your dreams, sister. Wouldn't they probably tuck one in the lips, well, probably didn't tuck one in.

• 59:19Drew Afualo?

  They don't really have to do that.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  I mean, not all of, you know what I'm saying? If you know, you know.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  You know, sister. Ooh, that's good.

• 59:28Drew Afualo?

  Right. Okay, another fun fact. Uh, when you first moved to LA, you worked as a live-in nanny.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  Okay, first of all.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  Amanda?

• 59:39Drew Afualo?

  Amanda, that's not fun.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Amanda, let me tell you something. If you wanted to bring up triggers and traumas, is that what this show is about?

• 59:47Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I see how it is.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, so all of that shit was to get us here?

• 59:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so first of all, you make me wear this jacket, and then, second of all, you ask me about that.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so I tried to play the bit like you didn't make me wear the jacket. Like, this is not clearly my, not my jacket.

• 1:00:00Drew Afualo?

  I didn't have a jacket in your exact size when you got here.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  And a ski mask. Like, what's the ski, what's the, what's the ski goggles for? I don't, maybe we don't go skiing? Not for real. You know what I mean?

• 1:00:09Drew Afualo?

  You live-in nanny, huh?

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  Live-in, live-in any life. I moved to LA, uh, this, I've moved to LA three separate times. So I, I, I wanna say this to say, like, people who are in the, the, like, the, the, what feel like the stru-, the initial struggle or the prolonged struggle of the pursuit of their dream.

• 1:00:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  Please understand that, like, I am not someone who is like, oh, I'm gonna move to LA, and it, then shit just happened.

• 1:00:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Like, it is, it's tough.

• 1:00:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  And like, if you're in the tough, baby, keep going.

• 1:00:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  It is refining you.

• 1:00:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  It is, it is honing you. It is, um, growing you, stretching you, preparing you.

• 1:00:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Like, just keep going.

• 1:00:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  I'm telling you. So, I moved to LA three separate times. The third one stuck. And the first time, I, I left college.

• 1:00:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Came here, uh, to, uh, and, and continued college online, but left the university and moved out here to work with a production company. And shortly after I got, uh, worked the job, the company disbanded. The brothers could not agree.

• 1:01:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Couldn't move forward, and they split. And so, we was out here in LA without a job. Now, gas wasn't seven dollars, but it was still four.

• 1:01:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  It was still four.

• 1:01:21Drew Afualo?

  Hello.

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  Dollars a gallon, and so, um, baby needed a job.

• 1:01:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  I said, I, I got two baby sisters, I could take, I could take care of some kids.

• 1:01:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  What you, what you gotta do? How old are they? Yeah, they got, and then, and they were working in the business.

• 1:01:35Drew Afualo?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  And so I was driving in the set, driving into, to, um, auditions and stuff like that. And the middle kid was, is a daughter, a girl who, who booked this, um, Oscar Mayer commercial.

• 1:01:45Drew Afualo?

  Damn.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  And the amount of money she got paid to be in this commercial for this long.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  The amount of time we were on set for her to be in that commercial for.

• 1:02:02Drew Afualo?

  Girl.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  I said, you didn't even get to spell Oscar Mayer? You didn't even get to do this stuff?

• 1:02:07Drew Afualo?

  And you didn't even talk.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  That's how much you got paid? I said, oh, I'm in the raw, this, this nanny shit?

• 1:02:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  It ain't for me.

• 1:02:16Drew Afualo?

  I bet you're so good with kids.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Love 'em.

• 1:02:18Drew Afualo?

  I bet kids love you.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I love kids.

• 1:02:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  I really do. I, I should say this, I don't. I, again, with the love, like, I, what, that's crazy. And for that, I apologize. You maybe just cut that whole part, cuz that's weird. I love kids. And then I was like, that sounds weird. I was like, no, I don't, which sounds weirder.

• 1:02:39Drew Afualo?

  No, yeah.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  It only sounded like I walked.

• 1:02:42Drew Afualo?

  Right, I mean, I somehow made it worse, I didn't mean to do that.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Next question.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  Have you ever got that?

• 1:02:50Drew Afualo?

  Next question.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, where you're at, you're in the, you're in your interview?

• 1:02:53Drew Afualo?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  And, and they very clearly signal to you, maybe they don't say next question, but it's very clearly like. Have you ever experienced that?

• 1:03:00Drew Afualo?

  I don't know if I've ever experienced it, like, as stark as that. Like, I, I have, like, sensed, yeah, I, I'm just not there yet. I, I haven't had as many, I haven't clocked as many hours as you, I'm sure it's gonna happen to me. It has happened to me in the sense where I could tell they wanted to answer me truthfully, but couldn't because they're on camera.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  No, cuz it's real, right?

• 1:03:19Drew Afualo?

  It is, it is.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  You get in these, you get in these situations, especially when you are a person who, like, obsesses about the preparation.

• 1:03:24Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  You have like a, it's not that you're planning their answer, but you are setting them, you're creating the scene. Quincy Jones says this thing about being, him being a creative.

• 1:03:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  About it not making magic, that's not our job.

• 1:03:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  It's about setting the space, crea-, creating the kind of environment that magic can come and be welcome.

• 1:03:44Drew Afualo?

  So true.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  And then get out of the way.

• 1:03:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely. Like, let it happen organically.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, prepare.

• 1:03:49Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  And then go with whatever, however the moment is calling for, whatever the moment is calling for.

• 1:03:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  That's what's real.

• 1:03:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Um, be prepared anyway.

• 1:03:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  And so, I just, it's really interesting to hear the, the like, okay, cool, so that's not it, moving on. Do you know what I mean? Cuz instead of, instead of trying to, like, make that, I think, cuz like, there are some people, you've seen it.

• 1:04:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  Where they, they'll double down on like, no, but like, for real, like.

• 1:04:11Drew Afualo?

  No, I know. When I watch it, I'm like, oh my god. Like, what do we think, why would you keep, why would you keep doing that? Why would you do that?

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:04:19Drew Afualo?

  I'm curious to know, what's your favorite thing to work? Like, if it's an award show, is it like a specific premiere, is it a specific thing? Like, what, what would you say is one of your favorite things to work?

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  This is gonna sound ridiculous. In the words of Kiki Palmer, I hate to sound ridiculous, but my favorite thing is houseguests.

• 1:04:38Drew Afualo?

  Thank god.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  My favorite thing is houseguests.

• 1:04:40Drew Afualo?

  I'm so glad.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Because it's, we put so much heart into this show.

• 1:04:43Drew Afualo?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  We put so much energy and resource into every single interaction.

• 1:04:48Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  And it's all, it's still a surprise to me when they show up and they're like, you live here? And I'm like, yes, this is really my house, can you please take your shoes off? No, I'm just kidding, I never ask them to take their shoes off.

• 1:04:57Drew Afualo?

  Thank you so much, Kamala Harris, thank you.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, please take your fucking shoes off.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  Are you, what do you need, some, some booty, some booty? Some, some socks, what do you need?

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Just imagining Kelly Kamala Harris to take her shoes off.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Uh, but that's the things this cult will do to you.

• 1:05:13Drew Afualo?

  Right, hello.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  But I, I, I really do, like, people walk in and they're immediately like this, like, the food that they love is cooking.

• 1:05:20Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Um, or ordered. Uh, a cocktail or beverage they love is being made, sounds, music that they love is being played, smells are like, it's familiar. People walk in and like, oh my god, this is so sweet.

• 1:05:34Drew Afualo?

  You're a genius.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:05:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's true, it, it, like, softens them, as they, it makes it easier for them to wanna open up, which is a beautiful thing.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:42Drew Afualo?

  And I think you, I also think you bring this, like, artistry to interviewing too, that allows for there to be, like I said, conversation, but it's not like a gotcha kind of conversation, like, which we kinda talked about at the YouTube thing we did. But like, that, that kind of interview style to me is, I don't like personally. And even, even when I was writing, like, a journalist, like, in college and I was working after, like, I was very adamant about not doing that because I, that kind of shit is just, it doesn't attract me at all, it doesn't feel good.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  It's the wrong kinda energetic existence.

• 1:06:15Drew Afualo?

  I agree, and I, and I felt like, I was like, I'm, I, yeah, and I like to seek connection, like you do, and like, to understand people on a different level. And I feel like, that's another reason why, when I was first in broadcast, I was like, mostly doing sports.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:27Drew Afualo?

  And I thought like, oh, I'll be like, you know, on-air talent, maybe I'll be able to do like, broadcast, that kind of thing. But when I started looking at it, I'm like, I don't like the game of football, like, yes, I understand it, but like, I was much more interested in who they were off the field.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:41Drew Afualo?

  And who, what, who they were and their families, and like, what they also loved, like, other things that they loved. And, and hearing, getting to talk to them in that regard was more rewarding to me. And I just don't feel like you get that kind of feeling from trying to hunt for something or make people uncomfortable.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Or, and, or, or, um, trap.

• 1:07:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  People, I'm not interested in that. Don't get me wrong, I, I understand that there are, there are whole industry, or portions of the industry that are dedicated to that.

• 1:07:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  And for whomever and whoever feels like that is what they wanna do, I'm not gonna yuck your yum.

• 1:07:15Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  But that's not what I'm interested in.

• 1:07:17Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  Those aren't the kinda interactions I'm interested in. And I, and there are some, some questions I have asked that I know have probably seemed like, where'd that come from?

• 1:07:26Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Right? But I, it is my intention to make an offer.

• 1:07:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  To our space, our shared space, before I ever make a request that might be more than

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  what we would otherwise be doing in this kind of interaction.

• 1:07:40Drew Afualo?

  I love that.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  Right, like, you, you, there, there are, sometimes you ask a question of, of someone, and you know that, like, if this were not, if there were no cameras, I would not be asking you this.

• 1:07:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  Like, I would not be asking about your divorce, and this is the second time I've met you.

• 1:07:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  I don't have that kind of, that's not my personality.

• 1:07:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:57Speaker 01

  But I remember with Mary J. Blige, asking her about that, uh, commercial.

• 1:08:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  And I thought that, here's what I'll say, I was prepared for that question to go either way.

• 1:08:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  And I said, if we're having a good time, I think I will, I will earn the right to ask her that question.

• 1:08:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're like.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  I haven't seen it anywhere.

• 1:08:17Drew Afualo?

  You're so me, yeah, I feel the same way.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  I gotta earn it.

• 1:08:19Drew Afualo?

  It's a give and take, like, it's, it's a dance, like, it, it really is, like, and it's, also, I feel like, now, especially with Hollywood, like, and the internet, and the intersection of the internet, like, some celebrities have been what I've been describing as, like, lobotomized to a point where, like, they won't show you an ounce of personality because they're afraid, and they, like, don't want to anymore.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  I gotta, I'll get canceled, the commentary online, I've got projects I've gotta sell.

• 1:08:44Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  I'm not just famous, I'm, the, these are things I'm creating and need to sell.

• 1:08:50Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  And so, have been aware, or ma-, been made more aware, cuz especially now, clips end up everywhere, things end up, commentary is way more easy than it used to be.

• 1:08:59Drew Afualo?

  Yep.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  And so, it's like, I gotta make sure that this is somewhat sanitized so that I don't have any issues.

• 1:09:05Drew Afualo?

  Blowback, yeah, on me. Yeah, especially with the intensity of the internet now.

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Drew Afualo?

  So I, I, I really do, like, I love how you look at it, cuz I feel the same way about it. And I feel like, like you said, you both win. When, when you're like, able to reach them on that level, when they're, they softly open up, like, everybody wins. Like, they get to see you in a much different light, um, I get to the joy and pleasure of getting you there, like, the comfortability.

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:29Drew Afualo?

  I always like, sometimes when I have people on my show and they're nervous, like, if they're nervous, I'm like, oh, no, don't worry about it. Like, you just, I, like, I'm steering this shit, you just take in the views. I'm gonna steer us. You just take it in, and you have a good old time, girl.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  You're so fucking good.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 1:09:47Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I'm gonna pivot back to your fun facts.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  I'm just gonna steer this shit.

• 1:09:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and you taking the view? Taking the sights, mama?

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  I'm just gonna tell you this right now.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  I'm into it.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't, I don't know if you feel it, but.

• 1:10:00Drew Afualo?

  Listen.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Listen.

• 1:10:01Drew Afualo?

  It is like, it is a lot like foreplay.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Baby.

• 1:10:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and it's important.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  Seems like you're ready.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Girl, I know you're ready.

• 1:10:11Drew Afualo?

  See, some interviews wanna skip the foreplay, but then the payoff's not good.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  Hello? Don't rush.

• 1:10:16Drew Afualo?

  What's the rush?

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  We gotta take our time.

• 1:10:18Drew Afualo?

  We gotta take our time.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  Gotta take our time, buster. Now, I ain't no dog, I ain't no mutt. Uh-uh, but we do gotta take our time.

• 1:10:28Drew Afualo?

  Amen, period. Okay, other fun fact.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  Warm it up. What I'm letting you know right now is I'm hot, okay?

• 1:10:35Drew Afualo?

  You're hot, me too.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  You got me hot. And I do that in the best way.

• 1:10:40Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I think I have.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Taking the views?

• 1:10:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, girl, feel free, it's all yours.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  Ooh, that was so good.

• 1:10:45Drew Afualo?

  Okay, this one says, "At 19, you became the youngest on-court host for the NBA."

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:50Drew Afualo?

  Look at you, bitch.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:51Drew Afualo?

  No wonder you're in that Hall of Fame.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was, I was hosting the Indiana Pacer games, going back to where it all started.

• 1:10:57Drew Afualo?

  That's so cool.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Right, so like, I wa, they still had the video.

• 1:11:01Drew Afualo?

  Damn.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  Right, they still had the video, so I walk out on the court, my first game, and they're trying out like several people. And by the end of the game, they're like.

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

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• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  And I, by the time, by that, by that time, I had also moved to LA.

• 1:11:49Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  And so this job opportunity came up, and I was like, so am I going back to Indianapolis already? I just, I mean, we did, we did one commercial.

• 1:11:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  And I, uh, the, at the end of the game, the executives came over to me and they were like, hey, so, um, if you want the job, it's yours.

• 1:12:07Drew Afualo?

  Look at you.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  I was like, how much they pay? Yeah, I want this job. I didn't even wait till he said the answer. I was like, yeah, I want the job. Yeah, where can I start? Y'all gonna move me? He said, move you.

• 1:12:20Drew Afualo?

  They got healthcare?

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. I get a parking space? And I did. I had a parking space. I had a badge.

• 1:12:28Drew Afualo?

  Look at that.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  I was going to concerts, wasn't paying for them. It was great. I can say that now, because statute of limitations, you can't come, you can't come after me for that.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:12:37Drew Afualo?

  You are so powerful. Like, you're, I, I really do feel like you, I feel, first of all, co-anointed now that I've spent more time with you. Um, but I really do think you are so, likewise, I really do feel like you are so impactful to the space, and I feel like you're so important. And I look up to you a lot as an interviewer, I really do. And I watch your clips all the time, I watch your show, your show all the time, because I feel like I learn a lot from you. So I, I wanna thank you for your, like, perspective, because it, it does feel like it's kind of widened mine a little bit too, now that I'm, I love to host, I, I, I really do, I, I love interviewing people, I love hosting just generally, um, so.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  You are good at it.

• 1:13:17Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  You, you are, you never seem rocked in a space where everything is ready to rock you.

• 1:13:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:13:26Drew Afualo?

  Likewise.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  It's so easy to be like, oh, God, this, what did she say?

• 1:13:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, it's very easy, like, and no one would even fault you for it.

• 1:13:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  You, and I think that part, that probably is part of your sports background.

• 1:13:39Drew Afualo?

  Oh, probably.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  Right, like, there's just like, there is a cool factor to people who cover sports.

• 1:13:45Drew Afualo?

  You're right.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  And to athletes, and they're just like.

• 1:13:47Drew Afualo?

  And you know better than, I, I'm sure you know this too, athletes are hard as fuck to interview.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  It's like, why are we here?

• 1:13:54Drew Afualo?

  Girl, oh my God, I'm like, you're, you're acting like I'm torturing you.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  Tweet it, tweet it, tweet it, tweet it, never mind, you know what, fuck it, nevermind, yeah, cut it, cut it, cut it.

• 1:14:02Drew Afualo?

  They are so hard to talk to. They have no personality.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  Didn't you just take a shower? You know how good I feel after a shower? Why are you so upset?

• 1:14:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  Y'all won.

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  I said, let me see the ring.

• 1:14:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and sometimes I'm like, and you're supposed to be the smart one.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  My God.

• 1:14:18Drew Afualo?

  You're the one, you're the one that they pick because apparently you can talk better, and I can't tell from this conversation.

• 1:14:23Speaker 01

  You wanna start over? I've done that.

• 1:14:27Drew Afualo?

  You said you wanna start over?

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  I have done it. I need you to know, this is when I knew, this is when I knew I was coming into my own, into this, like, own your space.

• 1:14:36Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  Right, like, own your space.

• 1:14:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  We're having this interview, and it was just like weird energy, it was like a total misread, and I think it was a carryover from another interview that spilled over into mine.

• 1:14:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  It was like, just every response is kind of like darts back at me.

• 1:14:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:52Speaker 01

  And I was like, you, everything, you good?

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  Cause.

• 1:14:56Drew Afualo?

  Cut the cameras.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  Fuck it, roll it.

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  Are you, are you good?

• 1:15:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm fine. Are you sure? Cause it, I just, it feels a little like, maybe I've offended you in some way, and if I have, I, I apologize, but I just wanna make sure that you and I are good. Like, no, I'm great. Okay, cool, let's, let's start over.

• 1:15:14Drew Afualo?

  Good for you, bitch.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  He was like, start over. I was like, I'll take the three minutes, but we gotta start this over.

• 1:15:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  Cause I'm not gonna take this back to the show that I work for.

• 1:15:23Drew Afualo?

  No, for real.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  And this be the representation that we have of this interaction.

• 1:15:27Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  I came here prepared.

• 1:15:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  You were on time, let's have a good time.

• 1:15:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  And if we're not gonna have a good time, let's call it a thing a thing, and you say it.

• 1:15:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  Cause I don't want nobody thinking it's me.

• 1:15:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  If it ain't.

• 1:15:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:39Speaker 01

  Do you wanna do this again?

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:15:49Speaker 01

  I'm gonna tell you something, when I, when I sat my butt in that movie theater, I had no idea how the, how this thing was gonna go, but I'm gonna tell you, it didn't even, the, the credits hadn't even started on the film, the, the opening sequence hadn't even started, and the buzz that was happening in that movie theater.

• 1:16:04Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  You could have cut the excitement with shears, baby.

• 1:16:08Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy. You're so me, though, cause also, that's another thing too, is they don't expect to be confronted either, especially not live and in the moment, like.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  I said, what?

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  Something has gone wrong.

• 1:16:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I, you know what's funny? I, and I'll tell this last thing, and then I'll, I'll wrap you really quick, but I, when I was at the Emmys once, I talked to [BLEEP] who was so unbelievably fucking rude.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Wait.

• 1:16:35Drew Afualo?

  Bitch. Yeah, like, I literally was like, I'm not even kidding, I, I was, and you know what's funny? His rep came up to me and said, you probably don't wanna talk to him, right? And I said, I love [BLEEP], I'd love to talk to him.

• 1:16:50Speaker 01

  Why wouldn't I?

• 1:16:50Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, why not? Fuck it. Like, yeah.

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  You're at the Emmys?

• 1:16:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yes.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  Why wouldn't I?

• 1:16:54Drew Afualo?

  I, yeah, so I said, yeah, please, like, and so he comes over, I'm like, hey, how are you doing? Like, nice to meet you, I'm Drew. What's up? Okay, first of all, you're a little too old to be using that greeting, but no worries. I go, no worries, okay, um.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  Are you ready to go? No worries is crazy.

• 1:17:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no worries?

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  No worries?

• 1:17:10Drew Afualo?

  I was like, we're rolling.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  That didn't go how I thought it was gonna go, but, uh.

• 1:17:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then I'm like, I was, every question I asked, it felt like a stone wall of like, I don't know, bitch, why are you here? Like, I literally was like, why are you at my shrub, dog? And then at a certain point, at a certain point, I got so irritated that, that he kept giving me these one-word answers, that like, the third time he did it, I went, yeah?

• 1:17:35Drew Afualo?

  And then it was awkward and silent.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  My.

• 1:17:38Drew Afualo?

  And we were staring at each other, I go.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Ooh, Drew.

• 1:17:40Drew Afualo?

  That's it, huh?

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  Drew.

• 1:17:42Drew Afualo?

  And then after that.

• 1:17:43Speaker 01

  You're making me feel something. Because, yes.

• 1:17:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:47Speaker 01

  I am also at work.

• 1:17:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, girl, yeah, believe it or not, I'm also sweating, okay? And my, my dress is corseted, so you, I'm actually struggling more than you.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  And like, I'm excited to be here, and I'm excited to have this interaction, but we also don't have to do this.

• 1:18:00Drew Afualo?

  No, for real, and you don't have to answer. I was like, and it was every, it was like he was trying to give me a hard time, like, that's how it felt. And then I was like, yeah? And then it was like, we were just looking at each other, I was like, that's it, huh?

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:18:13Drew Afualo?

  And then he went, well, you know, and then after that, it opened him up, and then at the end.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  I bet it did. I bet it did. Yeah, cause game recognize game, let's do this. Yeah?

• 1:18:25Drew Afualo?

  And then again.

• 1:18:27Drew Afualo?

  Cause that did feel like that, I was like, yeah.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  I probably was looking crazy, but, yeah?

• 1:18:33Drew Afualo?

  I really did feel like I was like, again, like you, like you fucking tell them that you don't want to talk to me then. And then after that, I had this bit that I did not use on everyone because I knew not everyone would find it funny. But I do have a tip jar. So like sometimes if they're feeling fun, or if they're being annoying.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  Wait, no, wait, I've seen this.

• 1:18:49Drew Afualo?

  At the end, I'll bring out a tip jar and I'm like, you know, never required, but highly encouraged. So. And then if they say no, I'm like, well, you can pay me in compliments. Tell them what's your favorite thing about me? Like, and that's like my bit. It's like a running bit I have. So I tell him, and then if they say they don't have cash, I'm like, what are you hard for the money? Funny. It's all funny.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  It's so funny.

• 1:19:09Drew Afualo?

  So I bring out the tip jar and I was like.

• 1:19:11Speaker 01

  Cause everybody wants a tip.

• 1:19:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Hello. And then I went, I was like, you know, never required, highly encouraged. And then he went, oh yeah, brings out a big stack of money, starts thumbing off these hundreds. And then I'm like, and then twenties, and then he's getting to the like, single digit bills. And I'm like, you don't want to throw me one of those hundreds? Didn't find it funny at all, put four bucks in the jar. And I was like, and I went for, I was like, four dollars, huh?

• 1:19:38Drew Afualo?

  Anyways, all right. Thank you so much. It was so nice. And he like, kind of laughed and then left. But that was one of those where I was like, girl, you're gonna give me something. If you're gonna torture me like this, give me something.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  Like a hundred dollars? Make it worth my while.

• 1:19:51Drew Afualo?

  For the inconvenience. I was like, I know those royalties are paying fat. That show's been on the air for 30 years.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  And he gonna get paid for another 30? And they got like, what, 30 episodes a season?

• 1:20:03Drew Afualo?

  Yes. Hello. With no end in sight.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  Not a nary. Like they're spin offs.

• 1:20:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Hello. Uh, so to kind of wrap us at the end, uh, obviously.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  This jacket. I'm so sorry.

• 1:20:16Drew Afualo?

  Obviously I've talked about your just amazing career and how, how wonderful you've been able to evolve your skill in, in just so many different ways. And so I'm curious if you have any advice for any aspiring hosts? Or, uh, carpet, whether it's carpet or their own show like you, um, what are some advices? Or a piece of advice that you have for everyone?

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  Yes, a great question because I, I do think that we can use, we should use as much as we can from other people.

• 1:20:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  To inform our own decisions. Now, I'm not saying like you gotta do exactly what someone else has done. But there, if there are people who have gone before you.

• 1:20:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  Like they're, they are inheriting, or they are experiencing things before you are, the pitfalls of that kind of stuff. You can kind of navigate around hopefully. And so I would say first, start.

• 1:21:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Like that's the thing that's killing most of us.

• 1:21:07Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  That's the thing that's, that's, that is drowning most of us is that we're planning.

• 1:21:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Or we're thinking about it.

• 1:21:13Drew Afualo?

  Like the fear of it.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  But we're not doing it. And so like, you're always gonna be a little bit afraid.

• 1:21:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  And even though we talked about it before, like, we're not nervous for real, but like, there's always an element of like, a little bit of fear.

• 1:21:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:25Speaker 01

  Is good.

• 1:21:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:26Speaker 01

  I think. Even a lot of fear. Fear is good. I think it informs you on how much you care about something.

• 1:21:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  I think it keeps you alert.

• 1:21:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  You know, you walk through spaces and you're, that you're afraid and you're like, okay, I gotta look around.

• 1:21:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:38Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 1:21:38Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  I don't think it should be the thing that stops us though. I think we gotta be hand in hand with fear on the, on the journey.

• 1:21:43Drew Afualo?

  Recognize it.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Drew Afualo?

  And be able to move through it.

• 1:21:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so, um, and, and use it, harness it. It's energy.

• 1:21:51Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? And so I would, I would say get started, like move. You know what I mean?

• 1:21:56Drew Afualo?

  Do something.

• 1:21:56Speaker 01

  Take action. Yeah. And so, and there's never been an easier way or should, there's never been more opportunities to promote or publish your work.

• 1:22:05Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  To try and to fail in, in, with smaller audiences, to practice, to hone.

• 1:22:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:10Speaker 01

  Get started now. You will refine as you go.

• 1:22:13Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 1:22:13Speaker 01

  Waiting until the perfect time or the perfect idea, or all of the things are solved and figured out. Baby, we gonna be waiting forever.

• 1:22:19Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  And we do not have time to wait for you.

• 1:22:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  We need you right now. You're thinking about it. You're looking at me like, he ain't talking to me. No, motherfucker, I'm talking right to you. That idea.

• 1:22:32Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  That you've been mulling over, that you've been sick over, that you've, that you've held so close to you that maybe even your friends don't even know this is a dream or desire of your heart. Get that thing out on paper first. Write it down. Writing down, writing down a thing, a thought makes it real, brings it into the tangible. So write it down and get it as clear as possible. When I pitched, uh, we had a, a, um, sports history doc in development with NBC Sports.

• 1:22:57Drew Afualo?

  Very cool.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  And I pitched it to the then chairwoman of NBC, um, in an elevator.

• 1:23:04Drew Afualo?

  Look at you.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  She said, what are you working on? And I was like, oh, this. And it was one sentence. In an elevator. By the door, time the doors opened, she said, we're doing that.

• 1:23:14Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  And then we walked into this.

• 1:23:16Drew Afualo?

  Your literal elevator pitch.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  Quite literally. I had refined.

• 1:23:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  The, the pitch, the idea down to one sentence. They call it a log line. And when we got into the bigger meeting that we were there for, in front of all these advertisers and all these production partners, she announced the show.

• 1:23:33Drew Afualo?

  Look at you.

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  Using the same sentence. The same sentence that I had written down on a piece of paper.

• 1:23:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:39Speaker 01

  So like, get clear about that thing.

• 1:23:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  You will never be closer.

• 1:23:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  Without that, that, that step, I think.

• 1:23:45Drew Afualo?

  Look at you.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  And then get going.

• 1:23:47Drew Afualo?

  That is so, oh my God, I have chills.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  Like get going.

• 1:23:50Drew Afualo?

  That is so crazy.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  Because we need you also.

• 1:23:51Drew Afualo?

  That's true. I, I agree. I was like, and I, I love that you have that mentality too, because I've talked about this when I get asked about hosting too, that I really do feel truly that there is enough room for a lot of different kinds of hosts. Like, there's so much room at the table. I know other people, like I've seen other people in this industry too, kind of have a scarcity mindset when it comes to that. And it, it, cause you're going for the same gigs, you're working in the same circuits, like. But I really do think in abundance, and I think in like, I think I have something very special to offer. You have something very special to offer. So many people have so many different special skills to be able to offer to this industry specifically. And also I'm like, you've seen what hosts look like traditionally. They do not look like us.

• 1:24:34Drew Afualo?

  So we need more diversity too, on top of that. We need more representation in that, and everyone offers unique perspective. I love that you see it that way. I see it the same way.

• 1:24:42Speaker 01

  We created Houseguest and like, it wasn't, I wasn't, I didn't go for Jimmy Fallon's job because Jimmy Fallon still has his job, right? So we created the show and it became something so undeniable that now people call us and are like, hey, we would love for you to bring the Houseguest energy to what we're creating.

• 1:24:58Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  We're, we're, we're thinking about developing this idea, or this IP, or this event, or this experience. Can you bring what you do to that? And so we're creating the job, maybe the job will create itself.

• 1:25:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, literally.

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  If you are, if you, if you work the thing.

• 1:25:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  And you dedicate to the thing. And you allow the thing to grow. Which means drawing to you the right team.

• 1:25:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  Then I'm telling you that you will create the job.

• 1:25:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. You're so, you're so real. Cause I've said that. I'm like, I made up my own job. I made up my own job. I have the most made up job in the world because I created it myself. And you're, you're so me twin.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  When I, when I sign those contracts and they're like title, I put something different every time.

• 1:25:37Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  I'll be like, shit, I don't know. What was my title?

• 1:25:41Drew Afualo?

  I know. Sometimes I put.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  The baddest bitch.

• 1:25:44Drew Afualo?

  Girl.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Her. She.

• 1:25:48Drew Afualo?

  I know. Sometimes I put talent. Sometimes I put host. I like, don't really know what to put. Yeah. Like I feel the same way.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  I know that the, the, the accountants are like, they gonna get us flagged. You got to say.

• 1:25:59Drew Afualo?

  They're gonna get us audited. Stop doing that.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  And I'm like, well, it's too late. They coming to get us, baby.

• 1:26:04Drew Afualo?

  I fucking love you.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  I love you right back.

• 1:26:05Drew Afualo?

  I, I really do.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  And I actually mean it.

• 1:26:07Drew Afualo?

  Me too. And I mean it. I mean that too.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna walk it back in the sand. I really, really, I do, I really fuck with you.

• 1:26:13Drew Afualo?

  I really, likewise, I, and I, and I knew, I knew when I loved you from afar. And then I remember we met for the first time at like a Spotify party, I think. And, um, I. Yeah, that party was like, yeah. I know what we're gonna talk about after.

• 1:26:32Drew Afualo?

  But I, I remember in that, I, I remember that night, um, one of the people who worked there was like, oh, like Scott really wants to meet you. Like, um, he's talked about you. I was like, oh my God, I would love to meet. So when we met, I, I just knew. I was like, you and I are gonna connect on a spiritual level.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  Baby.

• 1:26:48Drew Afualo?

  I just felt it.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  They fucked up.

• 1:26:50Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  They fuck.

• 1:26:52Drew Afualo?

  Listen, which.

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  I, I should have, I should have asked you before.

• 1:26:55Drew Afualo?

  They need to start pairing us for stuff and I'm so serious about that.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  No, they don't. No, they do not. No, they don't. Because then that, then, then we get the, then we get the celeb, we get the actor up here and we're like, oh, hey, give us a minute. So. Could you believe?

• 1:27:11Drew Afualo?

  We're having too much fun without the guests.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  Oh my God, the guests. Oh, sorry. Hey, Timmy, come on up. You know drill.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  They don't want that.

• 1:27:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they don't.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  But maybe they do.

• 1:27:24Drew Afualo?

  They'll never hear the end of it, honestly.

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  Or they never hear the end of this jacket. That's the bad shit.

• 1:27:29Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. I fucking genuinely adore you and I think you're amazing.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  You are the bomb.

• 1:27:34Drew Afualo?

  And I can't wait, like when you get on late night, like if you ever take the Tonight Show, which I'm manifesting for you. I really, I'm gonna come back to this and I'm gonna clip this.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  Please.

• 1:27:45Drew Afualo?

  And then I'm gonna say, you guys are welcome. I manifested that for Scott.

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  And I'll be like, how much do I owe you? Look, look, like, like I see, what'd he say? Thirty-five, forty-five, fifty-five, say, four dollars.

• 1:27:59Drew Afualo?

  Yes. Four dollars. Exactly. Thank you so much.

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:28:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  To, to count past all the hundreds.

• 1:28:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:06Speaker 01

  Do that shit over here. He said, nah, I want you to know what I think.

• 1:28:10Drew Afualo?

  That's what I said. You're being mean to me.

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  I want her to know it was me.

• 1:28:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I want her to know. I want her to see it. Feel it. Thank you for coming on the show. I fucking adore you. Uh, for maybe the two people that don't know who you are or don't know where to find you, where can they find you?

• 1:28:26Speaker 01

  Hello, my name is Scott. I almost said Cisco.

• 1:28:30Drew Afualo?

  The spirit of him has taken over you.

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:28:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  I am Scott Evans.

• 1:28:34Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  Everywhere. YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat. Yep. Still on Snapchat, uh, Substack. You know what I mean?

• 1:28:42Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Maybe even another platform near you. Uh, but definitely head to YouTube.

• 1:28:48Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:28:48Speaker 01

  Apple, Spotify to watch Houseguest. We release new episodes every other week. And in, uh, alternating of those weeks, we have new house party.

• 1:28:58Drew Afualo?

  Fun.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, not, we have new, um, game night episodes. It's like, I, it's still so new that I'm not even used to saying it. Like I've always wanted to be a game show host. And so, um, living my wildest dream with y'all. So come, come hang out with us.

• 1:29:10Drew Afualo?

  Oh my God, Scott, the way you can do literally everything is crazy.

• 1:29:13Speaker 01

  Trying, girl.

• 1:29:13Drew Afualo?

  That's insane.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  Trying to get this money.

• 1:29:15Drew Afualo?

  I gotta set my pussy up, girl.

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, girl. Yeah.

• 1:29:17Drew Afualo?

  Shit.

• 1:29:17Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't know. Do you step it up? Do you wrap it up?

• 1:29:20Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna step mine up for you. I'm gonna do that for you.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  I, I'm trying, I'm trying to imagine how one steps up their pussy.

• 1:29:26Drew Afualo?

  Don't worry about it. It'll, when, you'll know.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  I have a feeling.

• 1:29:29Drew Afualo?

  You'll feel it.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  I'm gonna be like, pussy stepped up.

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  The pussy is up. It was here.

• 1:29:35Drew Afualo?

  I felt the shift.

• 1:29:36Speaker 01

  We was here pussy? Now we here pussy. Guaranteed.

• 1:29:41Drew Afualo?

  Guaranteed.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  Guaranteed.

• 1:29:42Drew Afualo?

  Obviously. Thank you all so much for tuning into this episode of the comment section show. Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Scott Evans. Make sure you follow Scott on everything. And obviously y'all know Houseguest. Make sure you tune into Houseguest, obviously. Thank you so much. Don't forget, new episodes drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, but the video list for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, YouTube. Thank you so much to my guest. Thank you all so much to you and I'll see you next week. Bye.