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Welcome back to the basement yard. Today, me and Frank are on the same side, and that means that we have a guest. We have Oz the Mentalist here today.
Hey, welcome Oz!
What's up? I'm in the yard, baby.
He's in the yard. He's here to freak us the fuck out.
Frank has been sweating profusely since I walked in the door, for the record.
No, I'm not fucking kidding. I'm not kidding. We, so we got here, we're recording earlier than we normally do, and we got here, and we're like joking around, and they're like, "Oh, when he gets here, how's he gonna get in?" Yeah, because Greg's like, "We didn't tell him what floor it was, what the door code was. There's a code to get into this building." And then we hear the elevator, and the door opens up. He's like, "Hey, guys!" I'm like, "How the fuck did he get in here?"
That was the first test.
There's no way he gets in without knowing the PIN, right?
Uh, I know everything.
We joked around. We're like, "If he does walk up," because we heard the elevator earlier, and Ant just turned his chair, and he's like, "Imagine he walks in right now." And then you fucking did that like five minutes later. Oh, god.
Thanks for coming on.
Thanks, guys.
Thanks for joining us. We're, we're equally parts excited, and I am not kidding, I'm terrified.
I was more, I'm more nervous for this than I was for MSG, 100%. I don't know why. I'm like rattled right now.
I'm-
What's my fucking heart rate?
Well, I've never seen like magic or, or, you know, a mentalist up close, so it's like, yeah, I don't know what to expect.
Dude, your brain is about to hurt. Tonight, your brain will hurt.
And you also do a lot of things that I've seen online that I'm like, "That's amazing, but I can't believe it until it happens to me."
Yeah, that's what everybody says. I like the comments. I like the comments who think they've Jedi mind-tricked me, where they go, "It won't work if you don't try it on me."
I'm like, "Dude, you're one of like a million. Like, I can't try it on every single person in the comments."
Yeah, yeah.
And one dude's like, "What's my PIN?" I'm like, "6969." He's like, "Oh, crap."
And I'm like, how did you know that? I'm like, I looked at your photos, you pervert. Like, that was not even mentalism. That was just me knowing you based on what you've chosen to share with the world.
You famously guessed Joe Rogan's pin code on his show.
I know.
And he looked like pissed off. Was he like mad about that afterwards?
You know, it's a three hour podcast and that's like coming in real hot because I did that about 15 minutes in. So then you're like, oh God, we're gonna have to still be in the room for another two hours and 45 minutes. I mean, I can talk aliens for a while, but oh shit. I think we broke through it at a certain point, but I think he was weirded out. Because the best part is that you don't realize it, but in the moment I'm like, oh, this didn't go so well. But it went so well because him getting mad is so real. Like people being blown away, you expect to be blown away. But when someone's pissed, you're like, there's no way that Rogan, hear me out, was in on it. Cause like, what? I don't have enough money. I don't have 200 mil Spotify money to be like, Joe, just play along here, bro. Second, he had no idea it was coming. It's not like if you set something up with him and said, Joe, you know, think of your pin.
There's no, there's no setup, dude. I came in the room and I thought we'd kind of shoot the breeze a little. Joe came in like yoked, dude. I'm like, I feel like I'm nothing. He's just, yeah. He's got muscles on muscles. And he's like, let's go in and do the pod. I'm like, oh, nice to meet you.
And we just went right. He's like, shake your hand and crush it.
Pretty much crushed it.
Yeah. I, I, I see, I tend to be more of, I don't know if skeptic is the right word, but like.
I'm the biggest skeptic in the world. I think it's all bullshit.
Here's the thing. It's either I'm an idiot.
Yep. Well, okay. No, no.
All right. We got to the bottom of that, moving on. Either I'm an idiot or you're legitimately magic and I can't fucking accept either of those answers.
I'm an alien and we're finally disclosing that they are real. No.
That's a good point. Are you?
Wouldn't that be a great setup?
That would.
If I was an alien and they just brought me in and they said, you know what? Let's get this guy to pretend to be a mentalist.
Dude.
Before we officially disclose.
First of all, if you were. Some like Begonia shit. Did you see Begonia?
Yeah. Oh, Begonia was crazy, dude. It was a good movie, man. When did you see the ending comment? Spoiler alert. When did you see it?
I, I didn't see it until it happened because it was acted perfectly the whole way.
Crazy movie. I watched it on a plane. I kept looking at the person next to me like, are you watching?
Do you ever like, just like bump into someone on the plane and you're just like, like they come to take the order and they'll be like, they want a ginger ale?
Pretty much. I did that with my wife on our first date and she was obviously not my wife at the time and she was not having it. She did not like anything about it. And I did a trick, this is my, this is my-
You were doing mentalism on a first date?
Yeah dude, come on, you gotta come in hot. So, because that's, why do you think I learned it?
That's actually, that's a good point.
13 year old loser, I'm like, girls don't like me, what will they like? They like magic. So, I did a trick, this was my go-to at a bar, because mentalism is hard when it's loud. Because you have to, you actually have to watch people and you're learning a lot of reactions and there's a lot that's involved with interaction. So if it's like, loud club and dark, it's very hard to see people. But I had a trick where you have your straw in your drink, if it's a mixed drink, which is more common than a beer for girls. And I would look at the straw and I go, watch this. And I would just go like this and it would spin around the glass. And they're like, they're not sure they saw it. And then I would spin it the other way and then I snap, and it shoots out of the glass. So that usually was the, was the, ooh, like the 20, 19, 20-
Who are you?
Exactly.
Yeah dude, I'd fucking marry you if you did that to me.
I don't know if I'd marry you-
Joe just got moist, for the record.
I don't know if I'd marry you or just like fucking run out because I'd be terrified.
She was somewhere in the middle, but she's like, can you please get me another straw? And I'm like, dude, what's going on right now? She's immune to my powers.
Be honest, how many times did it not work before it worked?
That trick is more of a magic trick. So that trick works all the time. That's more like in the realm of magic. But the guessing stuff and more of the stuff that I do now, the mentalism, is a lot of it doesn't work as well at the beginning. Or it's like really, uh, it's like-
Can you describe the difference between magic and mentalism?
Mentalism is a form of magic, but it's almost as if magic evolved to a point where you no longer need props. So, you know, like, again, this is, I'm not trying to rag on anyone, but some comedians will use props, which is still funny as hell. Like Carrot Top's show, incredible. But as you get like a purity where you can show up with nothing, you show up with nothing and you could do a show at MSG for 25,000 people. There's comedians who just, they show up, you guys crushed it, I don't know if you had props, did you have props?
Maybe.
You tell us.
So I feel like that's the most pure form of entertainment because you are the show. It's you, it's your IP, it's your thoughts, it's your, the way you conduct yourself being funny. So magic, you go see Copperfield, he's got like trailers of stuff, right? He's got boxes and you saw a woman in half and this elephant disappears. So mentalism is a form of magic where it seems like you're reading someone's mind or influencing their thoughts. And when you do that, the method, how I'm doing it, you kind of start to see the two combined. When you see a magic trick, you don't really know how I'm doing it. Do you see what I'm saying? You don't know how the card trick worked, you just know that somehow you pulled out the four aces after I shuffled. But if I just tell you, "Think of a card", well, how could you know the card because I don't have cards? Like, here's a great example. Joe, let's, let's, let's mess with this. How many contacts do you think you have in your phone?
Hundreds or thousands?
Hundreds.
Okay, I thought you were more popular, but that's totally fine.
Finally, someone else gets roasted for once.
So, so grab your phone out.
Oh, fuck. See, now here we go. I, this is where I'm gonna get freaked out and forgive me if I curse at you.
Please, please.
There's no possible way.
Right, I've never, I'm not, I've never touched your phone, seen your phone. There's no way I can know who's in your phone. Are we in like, just, they have to understand.
I swear.
I walked in here.
I swear on whatever anyone wants me to swear on.
So, right now, scroll around, scroll around, and this is spontaneous. You're, you're, you're, are you on contacts? I don't even know what you're doing. Yeah, okay. So I like to say, imagine that we took a Post-it note off. It's a visual. And that on the Post-it note is written a name. Now, it's not really written, we're pretending. And I hand it to you and you look down and you can see a name on this Post-it note. You go, "Okay", and you search, you seek this one person. Now, scroll through, and this is somebody utterly random, and, and, and, and go ahead and find me the person who I just handed you an invisible Post-it note with their name on it. Can you go ahead and find that person?
Yo, I'm fucking petrified.
I, I'm sorry, I, okay.
The longer it takes, the better.
Well, I don't know.
Face me yards, ping me by the hour, right?
Okay, I have it, I have it.
There, this was absolutely a random choice, is that correct? There is actually no post-it note, there is nothing written, we're kind of making this up.
Yeah.
I think it's a guy, is it a guy?
If it was a woman, she would have been, there's always more of an excitement in the eyes, a twinkle.
If you had picked a girl, um, alright.
Again, the way you scrolled seemed like it was a conscious decision. And, and even though you will claim to your dying day that you picked this at random, I think there, is there a reason? Um, is it listed as a first and last name, or is there, is it different?
It's a first and last name.
Think of this guy's first name. Put your phone face down, I'm not near you, there's no mirrors, there's nothing I could see.
Count how many letters, in your own head, not out loud, how many letters are in this person's first name? Count it in your head.
Okay.
Okay, see, the eyes are the window to the soul.
My heart is pounding.
Let me see your eyes. He's got, he's got good eyes, too.
He does have good eyes.
He's got nice eyes.
Yes, and so, when people count an even number of letters, it's different than odd, just think of it like drumming, there's a beat, duh, duh. Four letters, the guy's name is four letters long, isn't it?
I'm literally gonna end this now.
Right, it's four letters.
Yeah. Yo, yo, now I can't feel my feet.
If you, yo, okay.
Four-letter names are actually one of the hardest. There are more four-letter names, do chat GPT, they know almost anything. Four-letter names are, five-letter names are slightly harder, but four and five letters is the hardest by far.
Because if you did like nine letters, not that many, it's like Alexander, look at me, think of any one of the four letters, right now, just any one of those four letters, see it in your mind, imagine it gets like bright, like a neon sign, it just starts glowing. Can you see that letter? See it in the word? Your eyes went to the last letter, I saw you, jumped to the end, you debated, but I don't think you did it, you're not thinking of the last letter, are you?
No.
Cause you went to it and you're like, mm, and then you went back. D. Are you thinking of a D?
You are, right?
Alright, close your eyes. Close your eyes.
Yo, I have to get up and leave. I'm telling you right now, I'm not making this episode.
I thought it was Dave. I thought it was Dave. The dude's name is Dave, but you call him Dave, because you guys are kind of boys. Keep your eyes closed. Cover your eyes with both hands. People always say to me, Frank, they say that I write stuff after. Like, that's the consensus somehow. I cheated.
Are your eyes closed, Joe?
So everyone can see this. This is written before he said a word. He can't see it. You guys all saw that, right? Open your eyes. Swear to God, bro. I don't know you, you don't know me. You could have literally looked at any name in your phone right now. You could have anybody. What's this guy's first name?
I don't want to say.
You don't have to. I could turn around, but they're not going to believe me. Tell me. What is it? What's the first name?
Adam.
I swear on my fucking, I swear on everything that I have in my whole life. Yo, I, I, I'm, I'm astounded.
Yo, thank you. Cool?
Fuck you, dude.
I, yo, oh my God, dude.
Do we, how the fuck?
Yo, I swear to God, I know people who are watching this are going to think I'm, bro, I would, I, I'm not this good of an actor.
Yo, I'm not kidding. I'm going to throw up.
How many Adams do you know? How many Adams do you know?
Two, two?
Okay, okay, hold on. How many, how many, wait, how many Adams? Don't say, how many Adams do you know that he knows? Right now, because you two are boys.
Uh, one. I only know one.
I bet it's the same one that he knows. I bet it's the one you know better. Uh, think of, think of his last name.
There's no way. There's no way.
Alright. Joe, Joe just, his voice shook like he's about to cry. Did anyone hear it?
It's not, it's not the one that I would know.
I don't think so.
Alright, alright, look this way at me. Look this way at me. Think of the last name.
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When was the last time you played Scrabble? That's an old school game, right? It's been years.
Oh, man, it has, yeah.
So imagine that in front of you are tiles.
And you know the tiles have points. Where like, if you got a Z, that's 10 points. That's a good, that's a good letter.
Right.
So see this dude's name as Scrabble tiles in front of you.
All right? I don't know what the scores are of all the letters, but I want you to reach down, count how many letters are in his last name in your head. Just count in your head.
Please take longer.
See, you, people could fake it, they'll go, oh, but I can see in their mind, it's like, it's like I can see the off switch. You counted, but it was longer than Adam, but not much longer. Five letters, is it five letters?
Yeah. All right.
Yo, I, I can't, this is really happening to me right now.
Pick up one of the Scrabble tiles of his name, but try and do one that's more, worth more points. Like, like, I don't know, a letter that feels good, like, look at the letters, look at all five.
Can I Google what the points are?
No, dude, just guess.
Okay, okay.
I don't care at all. Pick one up, pick one of the, pick a letter up. Throw it to me.
I just caught it, I looked at it, all straight lines, one line, one line, K, is it a K?
Yo, seriously, I'm not fucking around? What the fuck is happening?
Yo.
I, I.
Kilch, Adam, wait, is it Kilch? Am I saying it right? Adam Kilch.
I barely know this guy's last name.
I don't know who that is. Who is this?
Yo, what the fuck is going on, bro?
Yo, I'm gonna throw up.
Yo, I'm not, yo.
Yo, I, I'll be honest with you, I was so nervous coming into this.
Oh, God, I'm gonna throw up.
I don't know what's going on, Ant.
Yo, I, I, I, yo.
There's something in my throat too, is that a thing?
Yeah, I guess.
I'm not even fucking around.
We need an EMT right now for Antonio and Frank. Greg is over there throwing holy water at me. He's suddenly very religious.
I honestly was so nervous when we were like, starting to do it, because I'm like, he's gonna, he might get this, because I'm like, this is such a random person.
Yo, fuck you.
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What's the, what's the most like aggressive response someone has given to like something like this? Like, has anyone been like, yo, I'm gonna beat the fucking brakes off you? Really?
Yeah, yeah, so I used to work, I used to work at restaurants.
Oh, okay.
Back in the day.
I knew we couldn't come back. You want the chicken, you want the shrimp.
No, I was, I was, I was doing magic tricks, this is my come up, when I was 13 years old, I started doing magic, kinda card tricks and what have you, coin tricks, stuff like that, and then I was 14, my, my hustle, cuz I, my parents were, they broke up, they got divorced, and I couldn't, I needed to buy more magic tricks, and you know, there's like magic shows, yeah?
Former, former kid too, baby. Former, former, former. We got, we get, we're all divorced over here.
Everybody's, there's a, there's a hole in my heart I'm trying to fill with something, so, I was doing magic tricks, and my mom was like, dude, these tricks are expensive, and magic tricks are like 50 bucks, I don't have that kinda money, and so, I had to start working, and so she's like, do kids' birthday parties, I'm like, well, I don't, you know, how am I gonna get these gigs, you know, there's no, I don't have a website, this is, I'm older than you guys. And so, I went, walked down half a mile to this local Italian restaurant by me, sweet talked my way into getting a gig where I was working three hours, once a week, and I would hand out business cards, and so, at that, at these places, what I would do is just, I would start to do these, what was the question you asked me? Cuz I lost my train of thought.
Has anyone had like an aggressive response?
So, at, when I started doing that, I, I advanced, and in my twenties, I kept doing this, these restaurants, and at one, I used to work at some of that were mafia owned. That were known, in New York City, so I grew up in Michigan, but this was in New York, and they would have these parties where these dudes would come out of jail, after being in for like 20, 30 years, and I had one dude who came once, he's like, I would do a trick where I turned one dollar bills into hundreds, and he wanted to take the hundred dollars at the end, and I was like, no dude, it's just, it's just a magic trick, and so, right then, when he was about to take them, I snapped and they turned back to ones, and he was about to beat me up, he's like, where'd the hundreds go? And he's like, those were my hundreds, I'm like, no, they were ones dude, he's like, no, they turned a hundred, they became mine then, I'm like, ah, ah, no, they're ones, and he took them out of my hands, and he's like, they're ones, and he wanted to like pat me down, I'm like, you aren't gonna find them, and so, I had to like, I had to find a very good way to sweet talk him, oh, you know, let me show you how I do it,
and then I turned one into a 20, and I was like, 20 bucks, I'll give this guy, just not to get beat up.
Yeah, that's a nice. I, cuz I, I'm not kidding, like, my, my first reaction is just to be like, what the fuck? Because it is so beyond my level of comprehension, which might not be that high, but, like, that is.
I can't even focus right now.
I'm not even kidding, I almost threw up.
I really would like you to throw up at the next trick. That would be very strong.
That would be great. I'm not kidding. Yo, I'm not kidding. Why is your reaction to throw up?
We need that in the thumbnail.
I'm not, I'm not.
Can we have just me going like this and Frank throwing up? That would be amazing.
Does this, now I'm gonna ask, maybe this is like too inside baseball of me to ask, but like, does this help? Cause I'm a big comic fan and like superheroes.
Me doing this?
Yeah, so like, so like, when I see, when I see like Professor X go like this, I'm like, some shit's about to go down.
Yes.
So like, if you walk into a room and you just go.
I'm clenching my butt cheeks. You don't see it. It's a butt cheek clench.
Oh, it's a butt one?
Yeah, it's Kegels.
He's got a trick like that too. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We've all seen it. No, stop that, all of you. Whoa, I haven't seen it.
I have a funny story like that. So I had a, I snore a lot and I can't breathe out of one side of my nose, little TMI. But I had a septoplasty. Do you know when they like try to open up if you have a deviated septum?
So this is dude, this is a throwback. This is like 16, 17 years ago. They, they did that and you're supposed to not be walking around a bunch. Cause your nose starts, it's gonna reopen and bleed. They have it like sutured. And I had a gig, I had a gig like two days after this happened and I was like, I can't turn down the money. I'm too greedy. So I'm like, fuck it. I'm gonna go do this gig, even though you're not supposed to bed rest. So I go do this gig and I used to do, I used to do a ton of bar mitzvahs, just a ton back in the day. And I would do a trick where I would bend a spoon. I can still do it. It's great. But I would take, it's one of my kids' favorites. I look at a spoon and it just starts to bend. Like Magneto style.
Hell yeah.
And so I'm at this bar mitzvah and I'm making this spoon bend and this is two days after. And I'm doing this and I'm looking at it and all of a su- and I have cotton shoved in my nose because of, I'm supposed to. And all of a sudden I'm focusing so hard that blood comes down both of my nostrils and you hear three kids scream. I bet you that is a core memory for these children.
Yeah, 100%.
So right now, when you said this, they're getting like a traumatic PTSD remembering of the magician at their bar mitzvah. Who was focused so hard that blood started shooting out of his nose while the, you know, if somebody sees this, can they please write to me? DM me if you were one of those kids at that party.
It's like some stranger thing.
Dude, it was on like 36th and 8th. I swear to God, it was so funny and they screamed and I was like, oh no, I'm bleeding. It was sick.
You should just play into it, like.
I should have fake blood coming out of my nose is what I'm hearing.
I think like, if you could, if, if whatever's going to help elevate it, not that it needs any elevation because I. No cape? No cape? Yeah, I mean, the cape, the hat, you might as well. I mean, what's old?
That feels a bit Dracula style though.
What's wrong with that?
I don't know. Like whip the cape around.
Like a wand. Dude, if I had your powers, I would be such-
What would you do Frank? I wanna know what you would do.
I would be such a little bitch about it.
I would like, I'd have a cape and I'd fucking like, "Was that cool?" You know, and just like throw it and guessing people's shit, like, that is so unbelievably impressive.
I wanna give you my powers, like Spider-Man where you get the bite and then a week later you become a mentalist.
Love the reference, love the reference.
Just to watch you, use your powers for a day.
It would be bad, it would be great.
You should make a video of just Frank Alvarez, AKA The Mentalist. And just go around Brooklyn, trying to read people's minds, in a cape.
Um, yeah, I don't know if that would be, uh, I don't think I'd be very good at that, because-
No, just try.
I'm freaked out at you doing it. If I figure out I have this skill, I will believe that I'm a form of God. Yeah, he will. And it will immediately go to my head.
Yeah, immediately.
And I will freak out and then I'll throw up again. He'll use his powers for villainy.
Probably. I'd use my powers for good, you would just be rampant theft.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I had a show on NBC, like, what was this, like, eight years ago now, a little throwback? And one of the bits we did, it was in January, it was so frickin' cold, everybody, shout out to, it's called, uh, Oz's Nose. So that's how you know my name, because it rhymes and you're like, "It looks like Oz's Nose, but it's Oz's Nose." So it came out on NBC, pilot, didn't get picked up. I don't know how it didn't get picked up.
Fuck you, NBC.
Seriously, but we won an Emmy. I had an Emmy award because of that. So, it came out and what we did, we sat next to a Chase on Christopher Street, in like 7th. I don't know if you know that corner, the Village cigars corner? And I would wait for people to come up, and we wouldn't even sign releases first, so they would know what was going on. And I would say to them, "Excuse me, we're shooting a thing for a news channel about cybersecurity and your ATM PIN code. Have you ever shared your ATM PIN code?" This is outside at an ATM that people are coming up to. It's outside, they're kinda freezing, and they're like, "No." I'm like, "Does your husband know, your spouse, your boyfriend, girlfriend?" They're like, "Nobody knows." I go, "It's very important you don't do easy numbers." I go, "Swipe your card, look at me," and I did their code for them. Dude, just the clips, the reactions were so- some people didn't understand what just happened, they were just very confused, like, "Wait, how did you, you know, what?"
And then other people looked at me and just, like, just walked away. One dude got scared and screamed and like left, and then wouldn't sign a release, but then 20 minutes later, he came back, he's like, "Are you the devil?" Dude, it was so awesome. Watch that special, but it was so funny.
If, are you-
Frank, just so we understand the takeaway, Frank would've done that and then stolen all the money.
A hundred percent. Well, I mean, 16-year-old Frank, a thousand percent. Current Frank, I have more of a conscience in the heart.
You got that YouTube money, baby.
Is it, is it like, are people just more predictable than we think we are?
People are more predictable. People are also able to be, um, uh, like I'm able to influence your behavior so that certain people, they'll get to a moment and you know what will happen is they say, "I changed my mind the last second. How could, like, I even changed my mind?" I go, "I knew you changed your mind. I got you to change your mind." Based on the speed at which I was talking and when I slowed down and when I did certain things and when I, see how when I looked there, all of you both looked there. That's called misdirection. When I just grabbed my water, both of your eyes, rewatch it in slow motion, looked over here. It was subtle.
I'm looking at you now. I'm not looking at the water. I'm gonna gouge my eyes out.
It's subtle, but a magician learns early on that the hand is not quicker than the eye. You think it is, but it's not. Nobody's hands are quicker than your eye. But what happens is, if I can make you look away at the moment I do the secret move, you don't see it.
Right? When an elephant is made to disappear, the elephant didn't really disappear. Spoiler alert. There's no real Santa Claus. Sorry.
Copperfield's coming for you, dude.
But what happens is, they're making you look at the wrong place at the right time. That's what we do. So I'm doing that, but less with your eyes and more with your brain. So I know the way people think. I've been studying it for 30 years.
I was gonna say, have you taken like, advanced psychologic, like, psychology classes? Or like sociology classes or things like that to understand the human?
Yes, but there are mentalism classes. So there are mentalism core concepts because psychology doesn't really help me. Psychology helps me with group dynamics where people in a group act very differently than when they're alone.
There's certain tricks that I do that you'd be like, "Oh, man, could you do that anytime?" No, I couldn't do it if we were alone. And you're like, "What? Why?" And I go, "Because you wouldn't behave the same way." You don't realize it, but you will acquiesce to a group in a different way. You will feel peer pressure. You can get people to hurry their decisions. They will feel pressure from people around you. Like, the people that are hardest for me-
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For me to do this on are people that are very drunk, sometimes. People that are, I know this sounds really strange, but on the artistic spectrum, or that very levels of like Asperger's, because they don't have social norms. So their behavior and their reactions are different. They're out of sync. It's kind of like during COVID, I would do tricks on Zoom. And when we have Zoom that's out of alignment, if you're on Riverside, like one of those interviews on a Riverside, do you know what I'm talking about? It's like Zoom, but it's a slow Zoom that captures it. I know Greg knows it, the producer. But it's like, if you're doing a, I don't know how to explain it, but it's like, it's a Zoom interview, but it's not Zoom real time, because there, there's a little lag. It's almost impossible for me to do my job, because I'm watching you. It's like playing a video game with lag.
Got it.
You're gonna suck. You like, I just got headshot it while I didn't see it. So it's the exact same thing. If you're out of, out of focus or out of order, I can't respond, because I'm responding milliseconds. I'm watching you every split second to deduce what you're doing, or what you're gonna do. And if I'm out of sync by a second, it just, it tanks. I've messed up on those before.
Are you, like, doing that 24/7?
So it's something you could turn on and off?
Fully. You have to turn it on.
You ever meet another mentalist and like, kind of have to battle?
So I was just like,
Like two stray cats at the end of the alleyway? And then they're just like, ha, ha. Like, would you know? Like, you saw each other?
You just sit at a table and neither of us talk and occasionally laugh and occasionally make eye expressions. That's it. I just look at you and I just laugh, ha ha. And then they look at me and you get serious again. You're like, good one. And you're like, well, you didn't say anything.
I guess that's kind of a good question, though. Would this be something that you could like, tag team? If there was another mentalist that you felt comfortable working with, could you guys do like, gigs and stuff together, or?
There's a couple that have done it. There's, if you feel like Penn and Teller famously do it, but it's not really a mentalist one. But there's, um, there's, there's, there's called Kodak's. There's Couple Acts. There's one called Mind to Mind. A little shout out for them. They do it amazing, where it's a guy and a girl that actually happen to be married. But you could be in a different room and she could be blindfolded, and anything you hold her to look at, he says, what am I holding right now? And she's like, a driver's license. You're like, what's the number? Like eight, five, seven, how are you doing this? So it's, it's, it's, it's an act where one person can send and transmit thoughts to the other. I have the opposite. Literally, I can't send my wife anything. She's like, I don't know what you're thinking any of the time. She's like, you don't know what I'm thinking. And I'm just mad at you right now because if you're this good of a mentalist, why the hell didn't you take out the trash?
Well, my brothers are twins and I, I, I know this might be, uh, yeah, fraternal twins. And this might be, cause I'm not very, you know, like woo woo or spiritual or anything, but like, I, I, I do believe that there is some form of like twin telepathy because.
I think that's true.
They, I, I'm not kidding. There was a story when we were younger where one of my brothers like in the middle of the night, had to go to the hospital and the other one like didn't know what was going on. Like there was no way that they could have known. My parents tell the story. And the one that was home was just inconsolable for no reason. Didn't know the other one was like just, and then as soon as they walked back in the door, they were completely okay.
And like, that's where I believe like twin telepathy might be a real thing. But it still freaks me out.
I, so I can tell you, it's a weird story. So I had a twin who was, uh, who died at birth. So it was like a stillborn.
Sorry to hear that.
Thank, thank you. I didn't know him, but my, my, my mom, I appreciate it. My mom can only have twins. It's some strange condition. I don't know how that, like, I'm not a medical person, but that's supposedly it fraternal twins. So I have twin sisters, but nobody told me that I was a twin until I was 12 years old. She never told me. It's like kind of a big detail to leave out. Oh, you had a twin. So I always talked about like imaginary friend having a twin and it was to the point of creepiness. Where could I have somehow gleaned this from hearing a story? But I never knew it was never told to me because they didn't really know how to address it. And they thought it was like too traumatic. And so I would always talk about, I have a twin, I have a twin and like, I would tell people this, but no one was told that I had a twin. And so when she told me, it like all made sense. It was like a puzzle piece that just suddenly clicked.
And so I can't explain that the way you talk about twin telepathy, but people are like, have you absorbed his mental powers? I don't know.
I was, I was a former twin. So you and I are pretty much two in the same.
Yeah. So like, yeah, I was, there's not much of a difference between us outside of just some.
How were you a former twin?
The twin was gone.
At birth?
Uh, no, it was, it was pre, like, it was, like, in utero.
In utero. So mine was like until a week before the ultrasound was still, it might have been medical malpractice, but we were like in the womb until it was a very shocking death at, like, they didn't expect it was yours earlier. But, so, it was like two, I even had a new name, which my name means brave and strong in Hebrew, because I was the one that survived. My dad was like, "It's a battle of the wills." I'm like, "That's a creepy way to say it." You, you took him out, uh, and so I, my name was changed to brave and strong because I survived when the other one didn't.
Wow.
I don't know the details.
I didn't know we were going down this rabbit hole.
I know. Got real somber.
Adam Kilch just came in, he's like, "How do you know me, bro?"
Bro, I am honest, I, I'm not over that. I don't know if I'll ever be over that.
You know, speaking of childhood, childhood, when can you pinpoint, if I sent you a time machine back, do you remember meeting Joe for the first time?
Uh, I can pinpoint it to like a week.
So you kinda know a lot when you got, yeah.
Good lord.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Adorable. Joe's like, "I barely remember you."
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see, you see, you see, you see? Do you see?
Honestly, honestly, uh, honestly, how do you deal? Wait, so, so if you could go back in time, you ready? Now, when I say to somebody, "Pick a name," that's left brain. It's like mathematical, seeing letters, seeing numbers is left brain. I'm gonna make you do this right brain. Close your eyes, and you're gonna go right brain. Here's what I mean by that. You're not gonna see letters or numbers. I want you to start to see a face of someone where you go back in time to childhood, that if I said, "Guess right now, Joe, I'm giving you three guesses, to guess a kid from back in the day that Frank is thinking of," boom, number one, got it wrong, number two, got it wrong, number three, you don't even know how many guesses it would take, but he would never guess this kid within his first three guesses, maybe even more.
Can you, at this very moment, try to picture this kid's face? Can you see them in your mind?
Question for you, do you know what they look like, open your eyes, do you know what they look like now? Have you hung out recently?
So you don't even know how they look like now? You're kinda just going back to the memory bank.
I mean, I have a, a rough idea, but...
It's like you're seeing whatever eight-year-old kid with a beard like you. Okay, now, just, he's gotten facial hair. All right. Is there any way, because I like the haters, the haters always say, "He did research before he got here, he must have been Googling them."
Yo, is there any way that I could have researched this in advance? And found out who you would have thought of, real time, spontaneous?
I can't imagine there is a way you could have researched-
But even if we looked up everybody, how could we know who this would be? Because you didn't know who you were gonna pick before I got here.
Correct. I have no clue how you could have come up with-
So it's not like a researchable thing? Because you can't research where your mind spontaneously goes.
Yeah. And I famously have a pretty crazy mind.
Crazy mind, right? I mean, famous episode was talking about drinking pee. Like, nobody's come up with that.
Well, you know.
Riz gods. Alright.
Here's what I want you to do. I want you, right now, to think of this kid's first name.
Now, you before counted the letters. And you see, I narrowed it down. Because it's how many, I mean, four letters, then I got the name. Think of this kid's first name.
Think of his last name.
Most people, if I ask, "Which one is more interesting?", they'll go last name, because it's just normal. I think... I think you think the first name is more interesting. Am I right? Or not really. You tell me, which one's more interesting to you?
Interesting in what regard?
You decide. You're in the eye of the beholder. Do you, which one's more interesting?
Uh, I would say last name.
Last name's more interesting. Alright, now I wonder how common the first name is.
Think of the first name.
And quick, the same way he did it, pick a letter in the name.
Think of the first letter.
Change. Don't do the first letter. Do a different letter.
Of the name?
Yeah, first name. Stay with it. You got one?
Change your mind again. Different letter in the first name.
Change it one more time.
He's having trouble. See, I wanted to see-
I'm having trouble.
I wanted to see Joe-
Because you're fucking firing off at me. Cock it up!
When did Frank not know what to do? So like, again, if the name was really long, you'd be like, alright, I got this. He started struggling. The name right again is another short name. I'm trying to feel it out, suss it out. It feels like it's five or six letters. I'm trying to feel this out. Five or six letters.
He walks through that door right now. You look him in the eyes. You go, "Dude, where have you been?"
"Come here, shake my hand."
And right at that moment, you look at him, Shane, is it Shane?
Gorman, Shane Gorman, isn't it?
Yo, I'm not fucking-
Yo, get the fuck out of here!
Dude, dude, what the mother fuck?
Is going on in here? Frank? Joe, I sw- I sw- Yo.
I was thinking of him. I was thinking of him.
Yo, just shut the fuck up dude. Fuck you. How the fuck?
How did, like, yo, how?
When was the last time we saw Shane?
I fucking know!
Legitimately, like, probably second grade. Just spit all over your face.
Yo, I- I- I- I don't know.
You gotta move over, we're not centered.
You guys, you guys flew off camera.
I don't care!
Move over this way, towards me.
Yo, that's insane.
You know when something pops in your head? You ever wake up from a dream, and you wake up from a dream? And you go, dude, and you forget it in like a minute? But right at that moment, you have a dream, and the dream is so weird? And you're like, why did I have this dream? I gotta tell somebody about this dream right now. Do you ever have that moment where you're like? This is the craziest dream I've had. I want you to imagine right now, you ready? I'm just like, throw something out. Crazy. That you have, you- you- you see Shane Gorman. Now that he's in your head, you might have a dream. Imagine-
How the fuck did you do that?
Imagine you have a dream, okay? And Shane Gorman, you see this kid out of nowhere, you haven't seen him since second grade, okay? And in this dream, I don't know what's going on, but something crazy. You know how you have crazy ideas for episodes? In this dream, you have the craziest idea for an episode. One that's juggling around the back of your head, and you go- You wake up, and you say to Joe, you go, Joe, I had this dream. Remember we saw that mentalist? I saw, I had this dream because I thought of Shane Gorman. And in this dream, we were, and it's nothing weird, but like, something that's an episode. Look at me, close your eyes, close your eyes. Close your eyes. Imagine this is something that doesn't really exist, that's just in your brain. Close your eyes, close your eyes.
Joe, you look, you look, come over, can you see this? Don't see. I don't know about this, this is crazy. And, and you go, this would make for a great episode. Open your eyes. Spontaneous, off the cuff, pops in, you go- I didn't even know I would think about this. It would make an insane episode. What happened in that dream? What were you doing? Say it.
We were like, hanging out in a bath?
What was it? Just, what's in the bath?
Like, clay, or mud, or something like-
What?
Yo, get the fuck out of here. Yo, get the fuck out of here.
Yo, yo, no, no, no. No, no, no.
Call the fucking police.
Like, I'm not, yo, I'm fucking serious. I'm serious.
Yo, I'm literally, I can't, I'm, I...
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not having fun. Timeout? What the fuck is that?
That's the idea you came with. I was doing a podcast.
I don't know, I'm just trying to think of like something out there that'd be crazy. And if we were in just like mud baths. Not together. You have your bath.
We have our bath.
It's a little weird, but yeah.
Yo, how the fuck?
I bet you're gonna get a DM from Shane Gorman being like, "Bro, I'll do a mud bath with you now."
I, I... I don't even, I haven't even seen a picture of him in 20 years.
Yo, I can't tell you, like, there is... I don't, I don't...
There's literally no explanation for that. There's no explanation. That's absurd. Because even if you have like, huh, even if you have these like tells or whatever, you're given first and last name. How the fuck?
Yo, I don't know how you did that. I shook your hand and I didn't feel anything.
That's when I stole your soul.
Oh my god.
Give it back. I, I'm astounded.
Wait, you were thinking Shane Gorman too?
Yeah!
Why?
I don't know! I know I don't know, bro, I'm not in control anymore, I don't know.
Bro, this is insane.
Alright. I was like, because you're, you're like, think of someone or whatever. And I was just trying to think of an example like playing along in my head.
And you know what's...
And I'm picking fucking Shane.
And you know what's weird? I met him the same time that I met him. That I met you. Because remember how he started off with like a, "You guys met, can you pinpoint it down to..."
And it was within the parameters of when we met.
There's layers to this one. There's layers.
You're just being quiet over there, dude.
I'm letting you unpack all this.
What the fu... Like, the idea that like, like, the way that I can kind of like... Make sense of this is like a, a, a sick amount of research and then, you know, obviously the tells with the whatever. But that name, I don't even, I don't even know if I could find him. Like, I don't know if I, I don't have him on Instagram.
I don't either. I, I haven't, I haven't seen or spoken to about anything with this kid in.
Yo, this is like, there's, there's no explanation. There's no explanation.
But how would we know that you would have thought of him? And then the craziest thing is you said, I'm gonna pick somebody that he'll never guess either. And then jumped in both your heads at the same time.
That's, yeah, it doesn't, I, I don't, I don't.
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Did you bring holy water or something? Because the devil's in the room. I'm literally, I'm thinking about peeing in my jeans. If you piss your pants, I'll do it with you in solidarity.
Stand up when you do it.
I don't know if that would solve anything, but... But I am, I mean.
Where do we go from here?
Great question. Where do we go? I am, I am at both, I am scared and impressed. And, and a little like. I want to beat you up. Can you?
I can outrun you is the issue.
First of all, I saw that.
You look like a runner. Yeah, you look like you're a runner.
I saw that, that you do marathons and ultras, and you did bad water, right?
I do bad water. Do you know what that is?
I do know bad water.
It's hot.
Well, what's bad water?
Bad water is a great segue here from Shane Gorman, but uh. Did you guys pee your pants? I was waiting for that.
There's gonna be bad water in my jeans in a little bit. I'll tell you that.
That was soft. Bring that in.
No, no, no, I don't know what you're gonna take next. I don't know what you're gonna take next.
As soon as our knuckles touch, I get the rest of the info.
Uh, so bad water.
Shane says hello.
135 miles, so it's kind of a little more than. What the fuck? Yeah, it's like five marathons in a row, uh, more than that, in the hottest place in the world, which is Death Valley, in the middle of the summer. So when I started the race, it was 124 degrees. So like when you think of Phoenix or Vegas and you're like melting, that's 110, that's cold compared to this. And then you're running on a road, so that the heat, they take the, you know, the gun that like measures how your temperature, they do on, on. Like you can melt, like you can melt rubber on your shoes if you hold them against the road. The black asphalt gets over 200 degrees. You can cook an egg on the, on the hood of your car. It will cook. So you're supposed to run on the white lines to not melt your shoes. And you run 135 miles.
So, so, I mean, you do stuff like that. You, you keep yourself in good physical shape, I assume. So like, does that help?
I think it helps mentally.
If you're like not feeling well, you got a cold or something, is that going to like? Hurt what you do?
Uh, you mean for, for performing?
I don't think so. I'm pretty, uh, my, this immune system is strong. I have five children. The diseases just.
Five kids? Holy shit, dude. Uh, 135.
How long did it take you to do that? Twenty-eight hours.
Non-stop.
I slept for about ten minutes. Why even say that?
Just say non-stop.
How do you even do that? So, so I, you guys, how old are you both? Thirty-four.
Thirty-four, yeah.
I knew that. So... This might be beyond your time. This is your just like five years forward, but old-school NES Nintendo.
Oh, I got one in my house.
Old-school Nintendo. The cartridge is not working. So you gotta take it out, you have to blow on it and put it back in. Yeah. Do you know that move?
Yeah, of course.
So, I liken it to that with my brain. So I, I at night and my friends will make fun of me and call me like a big pussy, because I get very loopy at night if I don't sleep, versus I have friends in ultras who can go like two days without sleeping, not necessarily healthy, but they don't, I just become a total bitch at like three or four AM where I'm like, "Oh, I'm so tired." Like, dude, just keep running. So I have to, if I sleep for even five minutes, it's the Nintendo, "Put it back in," my brain resets.
So it does this weird reset where I get up and I feel better, and then if you ever, which I doubt you'll do, but if you ever sleep for a day, a night, and then into the next day, the next day your circadian rhythm kicks in, and the next morning you kind of feel better, even though you haven't really done anything, and then the next morning I feel much better to run, continue running.
That's insane. When did you do that?
I did that race a long time ago, pre-kids. You gotta fact-check this. I think 2010 or 11, but I tried to do at least one hundred miler a year, but my career's been super busy lately, so it's like...
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I always do a marathon or a few marathons every year.
I'm surrounded by runners. All I'm surrounded by is runners.
First of all, I ran seven miles yesterday. That's pretty awesome. This is great. Yeah. Hundred thirty-five.
Five's cool. You ever do it in the desert? With melting shoes? In Death Valley? You're like, as you're like coming up behind someone, like you're gonna pass them, you're just like, oh, your high school boyfriend says hello. And they're just like, what the fuck?
Dude, four years ago, I ran around Central Park more times in a day than anyone ever had. I broke the record. I did 116 miles around Central Park to raise money for Save the Children.
You know that, right? Yeah, you know, you know that you're the problem, right? You're running from something.
I am. Oh, deep, deep, deeply. So I did that. It made the front cover of the New York Times. I have this thing framed. It's pretty awesome. And the takeaway here is when they were writing that story, shout out to my buddy Adam Skolnick, who wrote the article.
Another Adam?
He's in the room.
He called me at mile 84. Okay, so mile 84, I've been running for, I'll fact check it, like 12 or 13 hours. And he calls me while I'm on FaceTime with him. There's about 10 people behind me. I guess the name of his first crush while running at 13 hours and 84 miles. And he's freaking out. He's like, how did you know her name, dude? And I'm like, put that in the article. I was like, I'm scared of you right now. He's like, how are you doing this while running? I figured out the name of his first crush. His wife was in the background. She's like, who the hell's caught ya? You know, it was like.
What, uh, what was the inspiration behind doing the loop?
So that's, I'll keep a long story short, but I was gonna run this race in North Carolina and I'd been training and I was all fit. And then dude, this billionaire calls me who's a client of mine and he goes, he called me a week, two weeks before this, I'm supposed to run this race. My, two of my buddies are coming from Chicago to cheer me on and I signed up and everything. And he goes, yo, I want to hire you for a gig that night. I'm like, can't. You know, my manager's like, can't. He's booked. He's doing a race. He's like, how much do I have to pay him? And we're like, no, no, he's not, he's not going. Hung up the phone. This dude did not like the word no. Calls back with a new offer. Calls back. At this point, it became a power struggle.
Hell, yeah.
Of just, I don't like hearing no. So then I tell my manager, tell him this amount. And she's like, that's obscene. He, you know, you're gonna ruin the relationship. I'm like, but I want to go run the race. My buddies are coming. It's all planned. And so she ends up charging half of that amount, which is still, was the biggest payday I'd ever gotten to date for going in an Uber for 10 minutes. And right within 30 seconds of her texting him the number, he said yes. I'm like, damn it. So it's like the worst feeling to be a. But also the best payday. You're like at the same time. You don't have to struggle with that.
So a couple of days later, buddy of mine, who actually lives in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, said, um, Tom Knight goes, you know what, man? You're so fit. Why don't you run around Central Park and try to break the record? I know that was a thing. So I looked it up and a guy named Robbie Ballinger, a good friend of mine now, had the record of running the most loops on. This is like a thing. People do this to see how many loops you can do. While Central Park is open from 5am to 1am and then they close the park, cops kick you out. Anyways, I, I decided to do this. I decided I'm going to do this for charity for Save the Children. I put up a thing. I've never hit people up for money before. Money piles in, man. We raised over a hundred and sixteen thousand dollars. It was amazing.
Didn't you also run a hundred sixteen miles?
I knew that would happen. Yeah. So that it worked out. I broke the record and I put this all came together where I said, I'm, I'm so fit. So I did this a week later. It was exactly four years ago and I need new challenge, man. That same year I ran from Montauk to Manhattan and I broke the record of crossing Long Island on my foot. On the hottest day of the summer, August 4th, I believe it was, it was the single hottest day of the summer. 1010 Winds interviewed me and they were like, dude, you know, it's going to be like 98 degrees, literally the hottest day of summer. They go, are you going to quit? I'm like, quit? I'm like, that makes it so much better. Like something's wrong with you.
Yeah, I agree. I agree with driving to Montauk.
I agree with 1010 Winds.
But now anytime my kids are complaining, if we drive from like Montauk back home, they're like, dude, this takes long. I'm like, you don't know the half of it, bro. When I was a kid, I ran. Yeah. You're like the worst with that probably. Like back in the day, it's like, I used to walk two miles uphill. You're like, I ran a hundred and thirty-six miles.
You said you started doing this around like 13?
13 is when I started.
So were you just like cheating on tests?
I can neither confirm nor deny these allegations, Frank Alvarez. Uh.
I'll tell you, a 13 year old Frankie, I am fucking cheating on every test that I have. I'm every single one.
You like look down at this question, A, B, C, D, and then you look at the teacher and you say, oh, could you just look at these tests for me? Look at me? B, got it.
Yeah, I got it. Yeah, I came up with B in my head. What? I said B when he was saying A, B, C, D. All right. Well, this is. This is. I'm just like astounded, honestly. I am. Run every day?
I don't run every day. There's people who have streaks and they do that. I have too much, there's the, the between career, uh, remaining married while traveling and not, you know, juggling five kids and it's very, and I have two kids that are still in diapers, even though my two-year-old is being potty trained right now. So, uh, we have like a, just a staring match of me staring at her being like, please, don't crap on the rug. No, we have, we have an 11-month-old and a two-year-old. There's just a lot of, there's a lot of kids. So the, the short answer is, once the kids are sleeping, I can get back into a rhythm of like running in the mornings. And when I travel, shockingly, I, I run way more because I'm gone. When I'm home, it's hard to sneak it in. Like this morning, I got back yesterday at 1 a.m.
I was in Austin, Texas for a gig, another podcast, and then, uh, I got back at 1 a.m. I was like debating, can I wake up at 5:30? But it just didn't happen to go run. So I feel, I feel like a loser this morning, Joe. Thanks for bringing that up.
You wake up at 5:30 to run. I woke up at 5:30 to play MLB the show. There's a clear, there's only so much similarity, so many similarities.
We're pretty much the same person.
Yeah, but. How many miles will you do like on any given day?
I would love my, my, like, my comfort run is like going to run 20 miles. Like that's the amount I enjoy the most.
Fucking hate this.
I like to run minimum 10 miles or I don't feel like I really did anything, but that's, everybody's different. Their bodies are different. Like that's just.
Do you consider yourself like a very disciplined person and does that have to do anything with your?
So rabidly ADHD, but the running takes my mind and it slows it down. And right now, because I have so much media, I'm, I'm, uh, in a, when is this coming out? Do we know?
I, you do. You tell us, you tell us.
So depending on when it comes out, April 25th, I'm hosting the White House Correspondents Dinner.
Congratulations.
Thank you. And so President Trump is coming for the first time ever while in office. He's never done it while president. And so it's, it's, it's gonna be, uh, hopefully a big thing.
Oh, man, he's gonna fuck. He's gonna lose his mind with you.
Yeah, I hope he throws up like you were about to, Frank. That would be, that would make for.
This is gross.
What was I gonna say? I need time to come up with stuff. Like, our finale, the thing I'm gonna do for you at the end, I came up with last night on the plane from Austin at 11:30 PM.
Thank you.
Where it just, the puzzle pieces came together. You've watched the movie Usual Suspects?
Great movie.
Classic. You know when he like drops the glass and it says Kobayashi? And like the whole thing, Kaiser Soze and Kevin Spacey, just like he stops the limp. Sorry for everyone who hasn't seen the movie, just ruined everything. And he just, you realize in your mind, look, that's where I like, I like those moments where your mind is blown. You're freaked out. Oh my God. But then at the end, there's this shock ending that you can't believe. That is, that's like my chef's kiss when it comes to mentalism.
I can't do that. Has anyone ever like offered you money to, to, like, you to tell them how you do it?
Many people. Like the FBI.
Oh yeah, you could be, you could be a great like with the CIA or something like that?
Yeah, I can't really say whether the CIA has reached out, I'm not gonna say that publicly, but FBI, law enforcement, many, many lawyers.
Do you think that you could actually, like, you would be an asset there?
So, okay, so I, I, it's very important, cause I, what I do, it's very important ethics. So like, right off the jump, and I usually say this, I'm not supernatural. I don't pretend to have psychic abilities. And the key ways to know that is that what I'm doing is learnable, repeatable. And it's based in science, which means there's a method I could explain. Now, it's important to understand why I'm saying that. Learnable means I could teach you to do mentalism. There are books, there are videos. Most psychics cannot teach you how to be a psychic. There isn't a workshop that's like, okay, now you can talk to your dead grandma. It's not repeatable. Right now, talk to my grandma, I wanna ask these three questions, give me these three answers. Very rarely can any psychic do that for you effectively. And then lastly, what's the science? I don't know the science behind being a psychic. Am I telling you that psychics don't exist? No, I'm being agnostic.
Cause I think I'd be like a bit of an arrogant prick if I said, no psychics exist. Cause a lot of people have experiences that I can't explain. But when I've been around most psychics that I've seen, witnessed it myself. I can explain how they're doing it for the most part. Like, I can see the tricks that they're doing that overlap my tricks. Now, there may be psychics that when you tell me they do it, and they do it, and they're doing a real thing, and I don't know how, but I can recreate many of what psychics do with what I do. Does that make sense? Yeah. So, that's a long answer to give you like a disclaimer and asterisk of, "These are not superpowers," as much as Frank wishes they were. But then, why can't, why can't they be? So, could I help you? If you're an FBI agent, profile people. I think that I could help you with certain things that aren't what you think. They wouldn't be micro-expressions, they're not body language reads,
because I'm doing my thing in a very specific situation built on entertainment, not built on giving away somebody who committed a crime that might kill you later. They're in different environments. But, the same tactics that I use of building rapport, building trust, incremental changing, then moving you back, watching benchmarks. So, the way people behave, if you observe them over and over and over, that's why like interrogations, you do them over and over and you wear people down, you can start to see patterns of what works and when they're telling you the truth or lying. The same thing applies in what I do in a certain way, but not for nefarious purposes. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. So, could I come in and help the FBI in a certain way? I believe that maybe I could, but the percentage isn't what you think. You'd be like, "Oh, man, you're gonna solve crimes."
I'm gonna give you 90% advantage. I might give you single-digit percentages because I'm bringing it from a different lens of how mentalists work, which, again, is done for entertainment. I'm not claiming to be the world's best body language reader, and a lot of what I'm doing is deception. But, a lot of what hostage negotiators do is also built on deception. "Of course, we're gonna get you a jet." "Of course, we're gonna get you this." "You want pizzas, we're sending them in." You're lying in a certain way to get people to believe you, establish trust, and then con them. I'm an honest con man. Right. Like, when I guess Shane Gorman, I'm not stealing money out of your bank account while I'm doing it. I'm just giving you a fun moment. I can't fucking believe that. That has you throwing up and Joe peeing his pants lightly. Honest con man.
Yeah, he's writing it down.
Honest con man.
What about, I guess you could, you kind of answered that question. I was gonna say like, I think famously, there's a story of a guy that like forgot his Bitcoin password and has like been trying to remember it.
I can only do that if he knows it.
Gotcha. Yeah, that was, you answered that question.
There's no way that I could get it if you don't know it. Cause that wouldn't be the skill that I have.
But you legitimately, if you ask someone to think of something, you can like read it.
Typically, yes. Like within parameters, but like it's not like anything. But I like to lean into what people like. Where are we at, Trey? Are we entering finale territory?
Yeah, I'd be down for it. I don't know.
Rattle off a few more questions. Let Frank.
No, this is, this is really interesting because again, like I-
I'll hit you with my best shot.
Dude, just don't.
I have a question.
Full transparency.
You have a question?
Oh, okay, what's that?
Antonio.
What was, love that. What was the like weirdest thing someone attributed your power to?
So I, I, I like to do things, what really, uh, shout out to Greg, by the way, who has a book over here. Gonna pick that one up. But I have a book. I'm not trying to hawk it, but I want, the reason I'm telling you this is because the book tells you a lot of the core skills that I use because if you're watching this, you're entertained, I hope. But the reason I wrote a book had nothing to do with teaching you how to be a mentalist. There's books on that. There's videos. That's not like, that's a point 0001% of the population. There are certain skills that I have that even if I quit being a mentalist tomorrow, I could use in any career that I, that I have. Because there's certain overlapping skills of like, how do you win people over? How do you become memorable? Right? How do you have superhuman confidence? Walk into a room, perform in front of 13,000 people at MSG, right? You 20 years ago would have probably crapped your pants.
Frank still occasionally craps his pants.
No, I don't say that. Let's make it very clear, I don't. We don't know.
You know, sharding is totally within the realm of-
Why am I sharding?
He's right. He has to be right.
He doesn't know. I don't shart!
He's right.
You're wrong on that.
Frank, I can, I can detect deception from a mile away. Uh, that was a hard sneeze earlier. Wet sneeze. Uh, so when you ask me, and you say that question of like, say it again. I was, I was. What do they attribute the skills to? Yeah. So I, the skill is the same of guessing a number and name, but I repackage it in a certain way. So here's what I'll do. I will do something memorable that the other person will always talk about. Talking about your childhood best friend is way better than if I told you, pick a card and I guess ace of diamonds. It's just not the same level of emotional connection. I will meet people and if they're, they're pregnant, like a woman's pregnant, I'll be like, do you know the name you're gonna name your child? And she's like, oh, and I will guess the name before they even do. And they'll literally keep it and put it in a scrapbook.
And I've met people who 10 years later are like, this is Dylan, you guessed his name. And I'm like, I know that. And I look at him like, Dylan, you were almost about to be Trevor. And she's like, how did you know that was the other name? Right? And she's like, and the husband's like, dude, get away. Like, stay away from my wife and my kid. Yeah. And so those types of things, they're attributing a power to something that's different than what I'm actually doing. Also, never underestimate the power of a guess, which is you miss every shot you don't take. So I've done certain things that I can't explain. I don't know how they worked. I don't believe I'm psychic. I don't believe it's supernatural. I don't think it's twin telepathy, but I've, I've iterated so much and I've done stuff that sometimes I get a feeling and I trust my instincts. Do you play ping pong ever? No.
So the reason I mentioned ping pong is when you're in a good rally, you're not even thinking, you're just acting. You're just like, dude, I don't even make that shot. If I may try to make that shot again a hundred times, it wouldn't make it. But right there in the moment, I just made it. So there's that weird thing where you get in this flow state where I can sometimes nail things that I can't explain to you later. I don't know how. How confident are you going into like, like this, this last trick that we're gonna do? How confident are you that you're gonna get it right? I'm not a hundred percent. Okay. There's too many moving pieces. Right now, everything I've done so far is like, I can juggle three balls. That's not innuendo, like just, uh, I can juggle three and I can juggle four. That's like the, the amount of clown tricks I can do for my kids. I've tried learning to juggle five, but it's like really tough and I miss.
Or closing your eyes and juggling three. Right now, I'm going into territory of closing my eyes and juggling three because you're gonna see there's all, watch this. I like scenarios. Scenarios are interesting because that's where your mind starts to go. Now you guys are both into sports, right? How did I know that? He's wearing a Jets hat. He's like, how did you know that? So when I walked in here, how much time we had? We had like two minutes when I walked in. You were all freaking out. You're like, did you give him the door code? I didn't give him the door code. How's I was in here?
We were legitimate.
And we talked about, while we were getting mic'd up, I want them to know the precursor. Because people go earlier like, oh, is this set up? There's no setup. I got here right before. But you mentioned that you had thrown a pitch at the Padres game, right? And we were talking about, you should throw a pitch. We talked about it a little bit. We talked about how bad my pitching skills might be. I want you to imagine, because the conversation always goes, when you watch sports TV, ESPN, they're always talking about who are the greats? Who are the greats of sports? All different sports, dead or alive, and you start comparing. You start doing the, in my day, would this person, how would they size up? So here's what I want to try. I want you to imagine, okay, that you're gonna go first.
And I'm going down the gamut of sports. I, football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, like, all different sports. Boxing, like, I'm watching your eyes, trying to react. But one of the greats walks through this door. You see this person walk up, right in front of you. I'm giving you a marker, and I want you to hold it under the table, so there's no way I can see, and write down his name. It's a guy, right? It's a guy. Write down his name, but don't let Joe see it.
I'm gonna turn, I'm gonna cover my eyes, but I want you to write down who you went with, that you physically saw going through. Whoa, I'm gonna close my eyes, right down, under the table. First and last name. Joe, make sure there's no way I could see this. You can't see it either, can you, Joe?
No, I don't know.
Okay, and as soon as you're done, keep it in your lap, or better yet, put it against your chest, but so there's no way I could see it, or put it in your lap, just so we know you can't change your mind.
Okay, I'm good.
And swear to God above that this was an absolutely random choice
swear.
that you made. I did not tell you who to pick, right? We had all those sports, but you could have chosen from any of them. Dead or alive, hold on now. Joe, Joe, at this moment, I pose the same question to you, but you don't decide who walks in this room until I snap my fingers. You don't decide until that moment. Deal?
Okay, you do not know who it's going to be, do you?
Okay, watch, watch. It's only when I snap my fingers, right now. You look through, and right there, snap, that's when you make the decision. You see this guy right there, and you go, oh my God. Now, in your mind, look at this person, look at me.
Okay. Alright.
Think of his first name. Think of his last name. Now, he now knows how I do the stuff with the names, how long the names are. So, he kinda has a... Oh, look how he's getting tense. He's like, "Oh, God, what do I do? Don't do..." He doesn't know what to do. Joe's just mad. He's like, "I don't know what to do with my hands." Alright. Think of the first name. That felt short and quick. That felt... Felt like one syllable. Jump to the last name.
Two syllables. I said, "Dead or alive." Dead or alive. Dead or alive. Hmm.
Think of the last name.
Just the last name. Think of the first letter of the last name. He's not breathing. Go to the second letter of the last name. Okay, last reaction. When you say a vowel, I want you to understand this. The vowels, there's five of them. A, E, I, O, U. When you say a vowel, you have to open your mouth phonetically. Somebody who reads lips, you know, they watch? You have to open your mouth. Watch. A, E, I, O, U. You can't... Try to say an E without opening your mouth. You can't do it. You were trying not to. The last name. The second letter. Because I was watching you. It's not a vowel, is it? It's not, correct? Because I was watching, trying to keep your mouth closed.
And when I said "greats," you know what you went with? You went "great-iss." Goat. Are you thinking of Tom Brady walking in this room?
I fucking hate this.
Be for real. Be for real. Are you thinking of Tom Brady? For real. For real. And you ready? I said "dead or alive." And I know... Tell me what... Just so I know, what is your favorite sport to watch?
Football.
It's football is your favorite sport. But... The power of suggestion. Why did I mention you throwing the ball at the Padres? Why did I do that? Was that for fun? Nothing's for fun, Frank. Because I planted... I planted a thought in your head when you were debating. You were... You were... When I said "dead or alive," you didn't decide. Right when you said... And I snapped. You saw Tom Brady, but moments before that, you were about to go with somebody else. Dead. Baseball. Lou Gehrig was the other person you were about to say. Am I right? Am I right? That was the other one in your head?
Yeah. What the fuck is happening?
How the fuck is that?
No, I'm not.
And then right over here, right over here. You, you know, I think, I think, I think Frank wanted to stump me. Frank, even though he said, I picked it at random, there's no way. I think you want to stump me. So I don't think you did football. Because I said, Jeff, even though it's, it's random, you're not doing football. And then you looked at this man.
And I'm not saying this a weird way, but you found him handsome.
Good looking guy.
Exactly, exactly. There's nothing wrong with that. And you looked at him and in your head, you know how if I pictured Tiger Woods, I'd wear, I always picture him wearing a hat. You don't see Tiger without a hat. You saw this guy.
With the headband. Rafael Nadal, turn it around. Is that what you wrote down? Is it Rafael Nadal? Rafael Nadal!
Yo, get the fuck out of here, dude.
Joe, Joe, let me ask you a weird question. Can I ask you a weird question? Do you know Rafael Nadal's birthday? Do you know it?
That'd be super weird if you did. Am I in agreement? You could have picked it. Grab your phone.
This continues?
I feel like crying for some reason. I don't know. Like, I'm like. This is like, okay.
Google it, Google it. I'm just so curious. What is Rafael's birthday? Rafael Nadal's birthday?
You could Syria, whatever you want.
There's the marker. I'm not gonna guess it. I could have Googled that. Grab me the marker, please. The marker, please. What's his birthday?
Yo, get the fuck. Do you want me to tell you or do you want me to just know it?
No, no, tell us. What, what month and day?
Uh, month is June, day is 3.
Does that have some bearing to you?
Not that I know of.
Okay, okay. So June 3rd. You're a football fan?
Fuck, I'm involved, yeah.
What's, let, let, let's piece this together. 6-3, June 3rd. Do you agree with that number? 6-3. First person you picked, Tom Brady, what's his jersey number?
12.
12, that's right. TV 12. Lou Gehrig, what's his jersey number?
4.
Is it 4?
I believe it was 4.
Do you want, do you want to fact check or is it?
I'll, I'll fact check it, but I'm 90% sure it's 4.
Famous Yankees player, first baseman.
I can't think of anything right now.
I'm pretty sure. Because the two biggies, we got, right? We got Mickey Mantle, 7.
Yes, it was 4.
Lou Gehrig's 4. 12, 4, 6, 3. Does that mean something to you?
What the fuck is that?
Does that mean something to you, Joe?
No? Rafael Nadal, I said birth day. His birthday is June 3rd. That is his favorite day of the year, I assume, right? But birth date, you only have one. A birth date is the month, day, and year that you're born. Right? See what I'm saying? Joe, 12,463... Joe, man, take a listen here.
Birth date is the day you're born. What was the date 12,463 days ago?
It was Tuesday, February 25th, 1992.
That's my fucking birthday and the day!
Yo, I'm gonna have a heart attack.
Well, how can that possibly be?
Wait a minute.
God, I'm gonna throw up.
Fucking call an ambulance. 911.
Help!
Yo. Yo.
Also, I'm old! 12,000 days, fuck!
I don't even have a word to say.
Yo, I'm not kidding.
Yo, that's insane. That's insane.
I'm glad I wasn't on the receiving end of that, because I would have fucking... If I were you, I would go home and pray. I don't even... I don't know what I believe in, but pray to something.
I...
What can you say? What can you say after that?
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
This was my birthday, fucking, and the...
There's no... I don't know, man. Congratulations. You have done something that no one has probably ever been able to do. We are absolutely speechless and dumbfounded. You found... You found our dumb.
I, I, I am, I don't really know how that's possible.
There's even more bad water in Joe's pants right now.
Oh my god, you have no idea. It's in my socks right now. So, just, just to make sure that everyone that is watching understands. I swear to god, man.
There is no conceivable way. There's no possible way. That he could have guessed my person at random, his people at random, and then making it do that is...
Like, I'm like, okay, like, I'm, I'm thinking of Tom Brady. That's not that crazy. That's not a crazy thing. Whatever, I get Tom Brady, I'm like, cool. Finale? I don't know about that. I like Shane Gore more. Than you. I thought of Rafael Nadal. Rafael Nadal's crazy. I'm gonna... Congratulations.
Thanks, boys.
That was unbelievable. I don't know. I, I, I, I'm, I want, I, I...
I, I can't. What do I say? Nothing. There is nothing to say.
They're befuddled. These guys talk for a living and they are done.
I got nothing, man. I got, really, I got nothing. That's, that's incredible. I wanted to throw... What is with that? I don't know. That's a weird reaction. I don't know why. Has anyone ever thrown up because of something like this?
They, a lot of people have cried.
Definitely some people have lightly peed their pants.
Uh, some people...
Definitely, right.
Some people have wanted to strangle me. I don't know about the throwing up, but maybe that would be great to get on camera.
That is shocking, dude.
That would've been incredible.
I famously have only thrown up twice in the last twenty years. Wait, you came up with this trick yesterday?
Do you throw up out of your mouth and nose or just your mouth?
It hasn't happened enough to be able to make... Oh yeah, you've thrown up like twice in your life. Yeah.
That's it?
I mean, not in my entire life, but in the last twenty years, twice.
You never threw up from drinking too much?
One time.
Did you ever throw up from drinking?
Come on now.
Dude, yeah.
It's called my whole twenties.
Yeah, uh, I can't think. We gotta get that.
I've just thrown up from running a bunch of times, too.
Did that? I bet did you throw up when you were in fucking-
There's literally a video of me in Greece throwing up for nine hours straight that went viral. And then my friend making fun of me the whole time. It is quite funny.
What, you threw up for nine hours?
I don't know, something messed up my stomach. I couldn't keep any food down, and then we just kept running and throwing up. It was, it was-
Oh, you were running while this was-
Oh, yeah, I was running. I was running 153 miles.
Okay. What's your resting heart rate?
It's about 42.
That's good. 42? Are you alive? Yeah. What the fuck is that? That's mine when I'm asleep, probably. 42? What are you pacing at these days? What are you pacing at?
Running?
I don't know, not that fast. Like, it varies. I run like 730, 830s.
Okay. I mean, that is fast, but it's-
That's, yeah, I don't-
I don't know if you're gonna be like, "Whoa, 430?"
"Oh, yeah, fuck you."
I, I just pace Kenyan. That's pretty much it.
I mean, that's a pretty good pace.
At what accuracy, I'm not putting you on the spot here, but what accuracy would you say that you can guess if someone's thinking of a number between 1 and 10?
Pretty high.
Really?
Yeah. I mean, that's a cool trick.
We're not gonna put you on-
You joking right now?
We're not gonna put you on the spot. Yeah, he fucking did this, and he just- Guess a number between 1 and 10. Yeah, I don't-
Honestly-
You must be- Fuck 1 and 3. You must-
I could probably do that. Michelin chef to make Chef Boyardee. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, exactly. What the fuck? You must be absolutely awful to play rock, paper, scissors with.
Pretty bad.
What am I gonna throw out right now?
Rock.
Yo. He had a 1 in 3 shot.
Do people, when they like recognize you on the street, they're like, "Guess my pin code?"
So, shockingly, no. People are pretty cool about it. Um, it, it's very funny. I had one guy who, we were on, we were at JFK. This guy's gonna hear this shout out, and it was like, he, so we literally were going on escalators opposite directions of each other.
Do you understand? So, we're moving apart, and I'm texting because I'm trying to get, I'm not even texting, I'm trying to get like an Uber, because I just got from a flight, and he goes, "Yo." And, and I'm like, and I don't even, does he say my name right? He goes, "Yo, yo." And I'm like, "Yeah," and I turn around, I was all the way up there, "What's my pin code?" I go, "What?" And he goes, "Knew you couldn't get it, loser."
Fraud! He gave exactly three seconds. What's my PIN code? I'm like, I don't know that he's talking to me. Do you understand this?
And then I go, no, he goes, "Knew you were a loser."
I'm not kidding.
I grabbed up so hard. It's such, whoever you are, that was a great heckle.
Dude, last night I texted them-
That's the only time it's ever happened.
Last night I texted them, like, I kind of, like, wanna change my PIN code.
Shut up. Can I plug something?
Absolutely.
All right, everybody, you can see me in action. May 2nd, I'm at The Win in Las Vegas. Tickets are up for sale right now. Go to my Instagram, go to my social, @OzTheMentalist, @OzTheMentalist. If you are East Coast-based, basement yard, baby, the Borgata in Atlantic City, June 5th. So come see me at the Borgata, June 5th, May 2nd, The Win.
Amazing, dude, thank you so much for coming on. This has been amazing. I am not-
One more plug, if you can. July, New York City, I'm shooting my Netflix special, here, local, hometown, baby. So everybody come, we're shooting a Netflix special, gonna be two shows, back to back. Come get tickets for that show, it's gonna be incredible.
Awesome.
Not only are you gonna be in it, but you might be on Netflix for everyone to see worldwide.
I'm coming. Congratulations.
You guys come, Shane Gorman comes, Adam Kiltz come, everybody.
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