Jack Kruse

Dr. Jack Kruse is a retired neurosurgeon, author, and founder of the Kruse Longevity Center, a wellness practice focused on the relationship between environmental factors and human health. His work explores his theories about light, water, magnetism, and mitochondrial function. Dr. Kruse is the author of Epi-Paleo Rx: The Prescription for Disease Reversal and Optimal Health, and he currently writes and speaks about his approach to wellness and longevity. ------ Thank you to the sponsors that fuel our podcast and our team: AG1 ⁠⁠⁠https://DrinkAG1.com/tetra⁠⁠⁠ ------ Squarespace ⁠⁠⁠https://Squarespace.com/tetra⁠⁠⁠ Use code 'TETRA' ------ Athletic Nicotine ⁠⁠⁠https://www. AthleticNicotine.com/tetra⁠⁠⁠ Use code 'TETRA' ------ Lectio 365 ⁠⁠⁠https://Lectio365.com⁠⁠⁠ ------ Sign up to receive Tetragrammaton Transmissions ⁠⁠⁠https://www.tetragrammaton.com/join-newsletter⁠ Follow Tetragrammaton: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/tetranow⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/tetragrammaton.now⁠⁠ Follow Rick: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/rickrubin⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/rickrubin

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  Intuition for me is something, after I get involved in the subject, then I actually pay attention to it. The last time my intuition really gobsmacked me was May 24, when the aurora came over Puerto Rico and I was like, this is not good. Then at the same time, the aurora also showed up at 12th South Latitude in Brazil.

• 0:47Speaker 00

  And I was like, this is not supposed to happen.

• 0:50Rick Rubin?

  What does it mean?

• 0:51Speaker 00

  Well, it means that the magnetic field of the planet is weaker. But here's the real issue. We know about the South Atlantic anomaly, but we also know that it's been at bay for most of your life. Most of my life, it's not been an issue that, you know, I've had to deal with in my work, but it's also not something that we're really talking about in like the daily geopolitics of the planet. But when you see that, it's like one of those, you know, sigma six moments. And your intuition tells you, I need to go and do something and believe it or not. That started a big path for me. Two years ago, where I went to the North Pole, I went to the South Pole. I went all the way and circumnavigated South America to do measurements.

• 1:32Speaker 00

  In fact, part of the reason I'm here this time is to do the same thing with the Pacific Ocean up here to see if my thesis is kind of playing out. So again, I would say this trip to see you again.

• 1:46Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:47Speaker 00

  It's probably a little bit intuition because I have a sense that um, where we are today in 26, I think maybe when you're 70 and I'm 70, we may be in a different place. And I think it's important for people to know what potentially it means so that they're ready and they're prepared.

• 2:07Rick Rubin?

  And tell me, what potentially does it mean?

• 2:09Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, not to get too, you know, hazy shade of winter, but the Earth's dynamo has been stable for about 540 million years. That takes us all the way back to the Cambrian explosion. That's when complex life shows up on the planet.

• 2:23Rick Rubin?

  How do we know it's been pretty consistent?

• 2:25Speaker 00

  Uh, well, we know it from magnetic historices of the rocks. So in other words, magnetism leaves a timestamp on all atoms, but not only biotic ones, but also abiotic ones. And you know, from being friends with me, I'm very interested in the magnetic historices on biotic atoms. You know, especially in us and mitochondria. But it turns out the stuff on the planet turns out to be really important for my work and the future work because it has implications. We've always thought in quantum biology that the three-legged stool you always hear me talking about, light water magnetism, that it's always stable. Turns out that's not true. The best event that I do know you know about is the last chap event,

• 3:11Speaker 00

  which is when the Anatals went, you know, missing in action. And there's been other ones that's happened, the younger dryers that happened 11,500 years ago. But the things that we get from centralized science like geology is that, oh, this was a comet or it was this, was that. And the bottom line is, they may be right, it's a comet. But what you need to understand is when a planet's magnetic field is weak, it allows the comets to come in or the asteroids to come in from the Kuiper Belt. That's the part of the story that's the half-truth. But that's not the part that ever gets published in the textbooks. And if you remember our discussion about textbooks and Eddie Chang and all that before, the accuracy isn't as great.

• 3:53Speaker 00

  And it turns out the natural sciences like geology have lessons for us. If we're open to the message, you know, are we paying attention to the, the noise? Or are we paying attention to the signal? I would say to you, probably the last few years, I've been much more paying attention to the signal of magnetism specifically for biology, but also for life. You know, to give you an example that I think would surprise you because you and I are pretty much the same age, we grew up in the same place. You remember when you were a little boy that Florida was the seed of the sunshine shade and oranges. Oranges are extinct.

• 4:31Rick Rubin?

  How can it be?

• 4:32Speaker 00

  It's tied to this magnetic story. And it turns out, remember, the things that make oranges are chloroplasts. Chloroplasts in mitochondria are kind of like brothers from another mother. They came through endosymbiosis. So when you see it, take out oranges in a place. What's the story in the textbook? Oh, a little bug came in and wiped them out. Very similar to the same story we hear about wine, you know, in the 1850s and 1860s with Philoxifer. And you know that California has a timestamp tied to that. The interesting thing though, there's plants on the planet that lived in magnetically inclined places and did not get taken out by that fungus. Those vines are still here, but it turns out our oranges in Florida,

• 5:17Speaker 00

  unfortunately are liked in the Anathal that they've been taken out. And I think it's the duty of someone like me, quantum biologist, to explain to people how something like that's possible. Like, how can that happen in Florida? And why isn't this happening, say, in Japan? Or why isn't it happening somewhere else? And it turns out the magnetic flux, meaning the oasis, is a big issue. And because it's a big issue and it's now varied, like since 2012, we've lost 10% of the magnetic field on Earth. That is, doesn't sound like a lot.

• 5:51Rick Rubin?

  Do we know why?

• 5:52Speaker 00

  No, I think, and I don't think we're ever going to know why. At least in your lifetime and my lifetime, this is what I do want to say, so I'm clear. This is a natural cycle. It's not something.

• 6:04Rick Rubin?

  We didn't do anything.

• 6:05Speaker 00

  No, it's not, we're not, we're going to get blamed for it, you know, through climate change. But that's not really what's going on. The real big issue is the things that we know in the past. For example, last camp, we lost 90% of the field, but it was a short period of time. We don't consider that extinction event unless you're hominid like the Neanderthals. So for them, it was bad news. Younger dryers, we lost the giant slots that you and I saw in the Museum of Natural History in New York when we grew up, you know, in the woolly mammoths. People know that story, but it wasn't considered like an extinction event like the asteroid was or the Permian extinction, where, you know, 96% of things died. But what we do need to know is that from December 2012 to now,

• 6:49Speaker 00

  many of the things that you and I have talked about privately and publicly that we blame or ascribe blame to this, turns out that may be a player, but this magnetic thing is a bigger deal than everybody wants to know. And it's kind of like the base case, the cornerstone that has led to some of the things that we've all experienced, probably in the last five to 10 years. But we ascribe a lot of the blame to something else.

• 7:16Rick Rubin?

  In the hypothetical, if the oranges have gone extinct in Florida, does that tell you over time, it probably won't be a habitable place for humans?

• 7:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, that's, you just hit on the, the very interesting part of the story. Now you're going to find out why I really got on those cruise ships. So I asked the same question and you know me, I'm pretty curious. When we lose oranges, the first thing that it means to me is that the land, meaning the East Coast of the United States is beginning to desertify, turn into the Sahara Desert. So what are the things that we should look at that are correlated to that? In other words, this is where my intuition kicks in. But the intuition for me is not good enough, Rick. You know, I need to have the data.

• 8:05Rick Rubin?

  No, but the intuition starts the process.

• 8:07Speaker 00

  Yes, no question about.

• 8:08Rick Rubin?

  If not for the intuition, you wouldn't do the research.

• 8:10Speaker 00

  No, exactly. And the first thing I looked for is evidence of the thermo hayline currents. What is that?

• 8:15Rick Rubin?

  What is that?

• 8:16Speaker 00

  That is the density of water that's present in the oceans. And what generally happens when oceans begin to die? The density becomes the same all the way, top and bottom. So think about the latest current events that you probably have seen on Twitter. That first time in 114 years, we had no Atlantic hurricanes as of September 21st. We've had seven massive hurricanes in Hawaii. So the question should come up to a guy like you, Jack, why did this happen here? And why is it happening here? Well, it turns out the big thermo haylines, AMOC is the Atlantic, SMOC is the Southern Ocean. We already have data that they're, they're turned off. That's not good. That's the reason why we're not having hurricanes there.

• 9:02Speaker 00

  What does that mean? It means that because the density of water is not changing, that energy in the water cannot be transmitted to the atmosphere to make vortexes. Okay? And there's a sheer stabilization. Remember, the other thing that's happening on the planet, the sun also controls the Coriolis effect, the weather, the wind, the trade winds, all the things you learned about as a little boy. But no one's ever taught you, so this is how a hurricane forms. And when those sheer forces are there, the energy stays in the water, the water temperatures are higher. So what did my intuition tell me to do to look in SMOC and AMOC the last two years when I went? Cause I was looking at buoy markers to see if the temperature was high.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  Why? Because when the temperature goes high. That's a another synonym for loss of magnetism. Okay.

• 9:53Rick Rubin?

  Why is that a clue?

• 9:54Speaker 00

  Well, there's a an axiom in science and physics called the Curie temperature. You know, Madame Curie is the only lady that won two Nobel prizes. This is named for her husband, Pierre Curie. And he found that anytime cold is linked to temperature, you have more magnetic effect the colder something gets. So this is the reason why heavier temperatures are signs when magnetism begins to leave either a biotic or abiotic system. And this is true. You know, if we had metals that we're using, if we cooled them, they would be more magnetic. If we heated them, they would not. There's a couple of randoms there that break some of those rules, like the rare earth elements that have static magnetic fields.

• 10:38Speaker 00

  But for what we're talking about with the ocean, when the ocean loses that variability, it cannot transmit the energy to the atmosphere. And that is the reason why the vortexes aren't there. Immediately, going back to your original question, Jack, does the orange problem in Florida link to us? Well, you probably have realized the last, probably the last two years since you and I have sat down and chatted, I started talking a lot about vortexes. CSF vortexes in the brain, the vortex that's in our arteries in our heart, which you clearly have an interest in. And it turns out that heart rate variability measures that vortex in our heart. And one of the interesting things about it, the healthier we are,

• 11:21Speaker 00

  the more chaotic the vortex in our heart is. What creates that? Four chambers in our heart. All the different things in our heart. And then there's things in the arterioles and the aorta that also tie to that collagen, melanin, all the things you and I have kind of barbed and sparred at, both publicly and privately for a period of time. But the bottom line is a vortex is a healthy thing for not only oranges, but for us. And what happens when the thermal haline currents decrease, you lose the ability to make a vortex and transmit its energy to the atmosphere. And you know, when you see a hurricane on NOAA's map, it's a giant vortex. And what that is, it's dissipating the ocean's energy.

• 12:06Speaker 00

  Well, right now, because the Southern Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean is turned off, the only one that's still functioning is the Pacific. And how do we know this? You know that you've heard El Nino is supposed to be epic. This is the worst ever, you know? All the crazy nonsense that you hear from media. Well, this part, they got right. I took a trip about a year ago and went through and measured all of the the buoys through 12 south, all the way to Australia. And they were all at that time, four to five degrees of centigrade higher. This year, the same buoys, eight. So when the El Nino hits Lima, Peru and meets the Humboldt Current,

• 12:51Speaker 00

  the Humboldt Current comes out of Antarctica. So it's very, very cold water. So the last time I was there, which was about a year ago, one of my members, JD, family owns a chocolate factory down there. He always said to me, because Jack, you're the only guy that probably would ever go in the Pacific Ocean with me in Paracas. So this is a place where the Atacama Desert meets the Pacific Ocean. Rick, when I tell you, you haven't done cold thermogenesis this cold. The water is literally probably 32, 38 degrees. And Chantal was with me the day we did this, and me and JD went in the water there. And there was fishermen in there and they just looked at us like they thought we were crazy. But I just thought it was kind of amazing that we're in the middle of the area, the South Atlantic anomaly, where this magnetic

• 13:37Speaker 00

  defect is present and has happened over and over. But there's evidence there that the Pacific side on the left side of the Andes, there's still hope. So when I went there and I saw the effect a year ago, I said, okay, I need to start to pay attention to this. That's when on Twitter, I started making some predictions based on my thesis that we would see more earthquakes and that we would see more volcanic eruptions on the Pacific Rim. Why? Because the earth, much like us or much like oranges, when the environment changes, we need to react to it. That's what our mitochondria does. That's what a plant's chloroplast does. So what is the earth's reaction? It's creating more CO2 in the environment because CO2

• 14:22Speaker 00

  is a paramagnetic gas. It actually acts to cool the earth down. We've been told through media that it's the opposite effect. Turns out that that's not the truth. So that's the reason why I made a counterintuitive prediction that CO2 emissions through volcanoes would happen in the area where the Pacific thermal haline was active. That's happened. Then the volcano thing. I mean, there was just about six weeks ago, I put a tweet out and said, in the last 30 days, we had 1,200 earthquakes. The one that, you know, I think everybody knows the best, you know, the ones in Venezuela. And Colombia's had a couple, but we've had some big ones everywhere.

• 15:06Speaker 00

  It's been more active now in Bali, Indonesia. But the whole Pacific Rim is up. You know, I live in El Salvador. We've had probably more earthquakes this year than probably any other year that I lived there, the past five years. Haven't had any volcanic eruptions, but 115 miles from me, Guatemala City, we've had three eruptions, major eruptions of the volcanoes there. And Costa Rica has been pretty active too. So this is good sign. The problem is distal to Costa Rica, quiescent, all the way down to Santiago, which is the reason I'm a little bit concerned about what's going on in the Pacific Ocean. So I decided to come and do something I told you I wasn't going to do. Come back to Malibu

• 15:52Speaker 00

  and go check out the Pacific Ocean because I'm interested in a couple of physical findings that I want to confirm before you hear the next crazy tweets from Jack Cruz.

• 16:04Rick Rubin?

  In these cycles, if it's going in this direction, do we assume it continues to go in this direction?

• 16:10Speaker 00

  Rick, I don't know. And I'm going to tell you that this is what concerns me right now. I did the math. Like you know me, when I sit down and I start to get an idea in my head, the stochastics, meaning how this fractals out, so two and a half X effect on mitochondria. So to answer definitively, answer your question about oranges, the effect on us is two and a half X. The last time you and I physically sat down and talked about Maha diseases, we were talking about things at that time. I didn't have the data that I'm sharing with you right now. If you were to ask me today what you did ask me then, Jack, do you think it's all the other stuff that we talked about before? Or is the base case what you're talking about now?

• 16:55Speaker 00

  I think the base case was always the big deal. The problem was I was not given any of that information through normal channels, meaning the governments were blocking us from that information. But I think the reason that information has now come out is because the governments were starting to get so much trouble on the stuff Bobby was talking about. And I think you saw how Bobby got shut down when he entered, you know, politics. Do I still think the things that you and I talked about two and a half, three years ago are a big deal? They are.

• 17:28Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 17:29Speaker 00

  But do they form?

• 17:30Rick Rubin?

  They're on top.

• 17:31Speaker 00

  Right, they're they're the the whipped cream and cherry like in in New Orleans, we have a saying, that's called the lanyap. You know, on top of the sundae.

• 17:38Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 17:39Speaker 00

  And for some people, that lanyap can be worse than the base case. Because I'll give you an example. Uh, no, you're not a big huge football fan, but we just had the NFL play a game, Dallas Cowboys and the Ravens, 13 injuries, two guys out for the season. Where was the game played? They played it in Brazil. This is in the geographic center of the weakest part of the magnetic field on earth. So if you know anything about mitochondria, one could easily predict that this would be something that would happen. And what did I do before the game? I put a tweet out about that very issue. And I linked it to the NFLPA, I linked it to the NFL. Because if your thesis and your theory is pretty good.

• 18:24Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 18:24Speaker 00

  It should be able to make predictions that actually come to fruition. And that's why when you asked me the question before, and I I wanted to come back to it. Do losing oranges in Florida, the fact that mosquitoes now showed up in Iceland for the first time ever, should we pay attention to that?

• 18:44Rick Rubin?

  Obviously, yes.

• 18:46Speaker 00

  Well, Rick, but the question you asked me,

• 18:49Speaker 00

  Jack, are you worried about the trend? Rick, when these things keep happening, I think, you know, my answer that I think we do need to worry about it. And worry may be the wrong word. I think what we need to do is be cognizant.

• 19:01Rick Rubin?

  Be aware, yeah.

• 19:02Speaker 00

  And and like, talk about it because I don't want anybody to listen to any of the podcasts that I've done, you know, and and go out and jump off a building. That's not really what the answer is. But do I want people to understand? Start paying attention to your zip code. Are you starting to see people who die that shouldn't die? Who do die and then people who you expect to die, who don't die? Like, don't assume it's the luck of the draw.

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• 21:48Rick Rubin?

  Are there any places on the planet where the magnetism is stable or increasing?

• 21:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, the number one place you could probably guess, El Salvador. And the reason why it's where agonic or isogonic lines, these are things that are tied to magnetism, but who uses this in our world? This would be like if you had a boat and you use a captain and they want to know where that is. But you have to marry it, cross-reference it with the latitude lines. So you know the latitude line is something you and I have talked about for a long time because we know the power of the sun. But this is the interesting thing. You remember when we were here with Huberman? He said, "Jack, every time I get in the plane in Central America and I come to Malibu, I lose my tan." What you didn't know is that melanin is a cischemical, meaning it's chiral. That ties to its magnetism.

• 22:38Speaker 00

  So when you leave a highly pinned area and go to a highly un-pinned area, you know, based on what's happened here in Malibu, that this is a desert. Deserts don't have good magnetism. So that is the reason why. That's your orange effect. And you didn't realize it when you said it to me because you said it so flippant. The day that we had that discussion, we weren't here to talk about, Rick, we weren't here to talk about magnetism. We're trying to get, you know, in front of Huberman to get him to understand some of the basics of quantum biology. But it does play a huge role and people do have this experience. Out here in California, the number one thing that I get asked from patients is like, "Look, UVA light's always here where the 33rd North Latitude.

• 23:23Speaker 00

  Why is it that I can't get my vitamin D above 60?" The reason why is because the magnetic flux here isn't bad. Now, before everybody in California screams at me, you'll be shocked to hear this. From '24 to 2026, on a relative basis, the West Coast is better than the East Coast of the United States. Why? Your thermal height line's working, theirs isn't. So all the things that people have talked about in California for the last 30, 40 years, yeah, why can't we get our vitamin D's high? Like, you talk to any doc, they're like, "Yeah, it's crazy."

• 23:56Rick Rubin?

  Nobody has enough vitamin D.

• 23:57Speaker 00

  Nobody has a high enough vitamin D, but why is this happening? Well, it turns out the unknown variable that nobody's paid attention to is magnetism. And magnetism has really fallen off a cliff since December 2012.

• 24:12Rick Rubin?

  Is there a balance where if it goes down somewhere, does that mean it goes up somewhere else or no?

• 24:17Speaker 00

  No. And I wish, I wish that was the case. The best example of that right now I can give you, because this is another thing about intuition that I would share with you. You know that the North Pole has been on this record of running from Canada to Siberia.

• 24:33Rick Rubin?

  Yes.

• 24:34Speaker 00

  So Siberia has gained its magnetic strength the same effect that we have had over 320 million years.

• 24:42Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 24:43Speaker 00

  So in 12 years...

• 24:44Rick Rubin?

  It has done 320 million years of movement.

• 24:47Speaker 00

  Like crazy. But here's the problem. Even though the magnetism is really good there, the magnetic field there is vertical, which is not good for us. We want horizontal. But what's the other issue? It's Siberia. The latitude lines and the agonic lines don't match up. Here's the most important thing that I want you to understand. The more you hear in the media that the magnetic field moves, right now it's on average about 55 kilometers per year. That means the more the agonic lines move. So the way I like for you to think about it, you know, like when you're doing a workout and you have a rope and you hit the rope and the rope does the oscillation wave? That's the agonic line. So while it may be good for you right here and right now, and it was in 2026,

• 25:32Speaker 00

  it may not be true in 2027. That doesn't happen when the magnetic field stays pinned.

• 25:37Rick Rubin?

  Anywhere else besides El Salvador on the planet that are good?

• 25:40Speaker 00

  Bali, Indonesia. Like, I will tell you the best places right now, and I'm marrying magnetic field and sun. The Pacific Rim all the way around. This is the crazy part. You know that I've been a crazy man on social media telling people the sun, the sun, the sun. There are now places that are on the Aleutian Islands that are better than you staying in Miami, Florida.

• 26:02Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 26:03Speaker 00

  That's how big the change is. And it turns out when magnetism goes away, the DC electric current, all the stuff that Becker talked about, like magnetism is the father of the bioelectric currents in the body.

• 26:15Rick Rubin?

  So if the magnetism isn't right, you can't get the benefit of the sun?

• 26:18Speaker 00

  You got it.

• 26:19Rick Rubin?

  I understand.

• 26:19Speaker 00

  And that's the message that I want to share with you. And I, like, when you read all my tweets, say, "Jack, just forget the science. Just tell me what I need to know." Rick, that's what you need to know. That is the key. No, and it means using a red light panel is not going to be good enough. Using even a grounding sheet or a Magnetico sleep pad, not good. Is it something you should aspire to? Because any little bit helps. Yes, but you have to ask yourself this question. Are you in for an A, a B, a C, or a D? The key thing is, you know that Twitter is a big fish pond. And there's a lot of people out there that, no, they can't pick up and go to El Salvador. They can't pick up and go to Costa Rica.

• 27:02Speaker 00

  They can't pick up and go to, you know, an agonic line in the Med. So the thing is, you try to help people understand. The real problem for me is, well, what happens if that person has three autoimmune conditions already? Like, is giving them a B, C, or D? Am I doing my job as a doctor? You know, and that's a rhetorical question for both you and me. But I think you know what my answer is. I don't want to leave anybody with the half-truth because I'm vehement that nature never makes mistakes.

• 27:32Rick Rubin?

  Yes.

• 27:33Speaker 00

  And it's my duty to tell you, even if you don't want to hear it. You know, I've used your axiom in the book, you know, that artists create for themselves, not for the audience. And I've started to use it on myself and I didn't realize that it really applied to me. Because even though I'm a pain in the ass for a lot of people, medicine's an art and a science. And I think when I tell you my beliefs, what am I doing? It's much like the art side of medicine, that you may not like the message.

• 28:00Rick Rubin?

  No.

• 28:00Speaker 00

  But I have to get that message out. Then the audience decides what the deal is. But you didn't think that part of your book was gonna hit me. But it really has hit me the last two years because of this big change in magnetism. Because I didn't think, if you and I are in Vegas... I would have lost a million dollars on the table. I didn't think it changed this much. And then when we saw the numbers, I was like, holy shit.

• 28:28Rick Rubin?

  We can't change the magnetic flux of the planet. We can either move to a place where it's better.

• 28:33Speaker 00

  Right.

• 28:34Rick Rubin?

  Or we can do things like ice baths. What else besides ice bath, the ultimate, or there are others?

• 28:39Speaker 00

  I would tell you, ice bath is the ultimate. So the next question I thought you were gonna ask me, so Jack, I need to do more ice baths. The answer is yes, we all do. The only people that probably don't, who are magnetically pinned and also have the good latitude lines for the sun. Then I think it's superfluous. Probably the next big hack to think about is the magnetico sleep pad. Magnetico sleep pads made out of ceramic materials, but they have rare earth elements in it. So I told you before, those are static magnetic fields. They help you at night when you sleep. So I'm a fan of that. I'm gonna bring you back to Becker's book. Remember what Becker did? He found instead of giving the animals that he cut the limbs off to do all his experiments. He put them on a 2,000 gauss magnet and put the salamanders asleep.

• 29:25Speaker 00

  And the crazy thing is, Rick, in the book, he writes this in his experiments, he writes this, and he never goes deeper into it. He basically just says, we could probably get rid of all anesthetic drugs if we did this. But he was so hyper focused on limb regeneration and the DC current, this went by the wayside. But it ties back to what you and I are just talking about now, because everybody knows whether you're a scientist or not, if you sleep better, you tend to heal better. Well, sleep is tied to cold thermogenesis in the protocol. So the more of that you do, I'm a fan of that. Magnetico, I'm a fan of. This will be the one that surprises you probably the most. Back a long time ago, when I spent a lot of money translating the Russian journals,

• 30:06Speaker 00

  I noticed that the Russian space cosmonauts were doing things differently than our guys were. And one of the big things was Bateko breathing. And they even used that in their capsules after they had lost three of their cosmonauts in 71. But the big thing is they started testing out using carbonated water. All in the eastern bloc countries. They would give it to astronauts on the planet, meaning us, to see if the effect helped before they gave it to the astronaut, the cosmonauts. And believe it or not, using bubbly water.

• 30:38Rick Rubin?

  Really?

• 30:39Speaker 00

  Actually helps because of the CO2. The interesting thing that's come out in the last two or three years since you and I've talked, a study just came out that shows if you take someone with neurodegeneration and you rebreathe them on CO2, you actually improve their clearance of deuterium out of the brain. You also affect their protein misfolding in their brain for the same reason. Because what are we learning? That anything that we can do to increase our magnetic sense in the mitochondria helps. And if you think about it, the endpoint of metabolism is what? Is CO2 and water. So it makes sense if you're putting back the CO2 that it should help. We know that it helps with deuterium depleted water. But this is the other part of the equation that we never talked about.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  Because nobody ever really spent a lot of time talking about magnetism, because we all believed it was the most stable leg of the stool. And it turns out it wasn't.

• 31:28Rick Rubin?

  Well, it was until it wasn't.

• 31:30Speaker 00

  Right, exactly.

• 31:32Rick Rubin?

  Did you ever hear something called carbogen? It was a combination of oxygen and CO2, but more CO2.

• 31:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:41Rick Rubin?

  That it could cross the brain barrier.

• 31:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, the blood brain barrier.

• 31:43Rick Rubin?

  And you can get more carbon dioxide into the brain. And it was a good thing, and it was used to heal people with brain injuries.

• 31:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, and it does work. We know it increases the vortex in the CSF. It also improves CMRO2, which is cerebral metabolic rate of oxygen consumption. But the big thing is it improves deuterium clearance in the brain through that glycolymphatic pathway that, you know, they found about five or 10 years ago. But the big one is that has a massive effect on protein misfolding that we see in neurodegeneration. And just so you know, even if you don't have neurodegeneration, the effect of deuterating your water table in your head is everybody has misfolded proteins. The key is, can you get rid of them? You know, with your immune system, if the immune system is dialed up, you know, it ceases to be a problem.

• 32:31Speaker 00

  But when that 30 million volt charge on your inner mitochondrial membrane drops, that's where the shit hits the fan. And if that slowly happens insidious over time, that's how you can go from being normal to abnormal. And people go, hey, let's try this new drug, David Sinclair. No, you cannot fix quantum level problems with biochemical Band-Aids. You just cannot. That's an axiom that, you know, unfortunately, I have a lot of arrows in my back about those issues.

• 33:03Rick Rubin?

  Is all carbonated water the same?

• 33:05Speaker 00

  Probably not, but at the point that we are right now, 10% down on the magnetic field.

• 33:11Rick Rubin?

  Any is better than none.

• 33:12Speaker 00

  Any is better than none. And do I believe that if the carbonated water was deuterium depleted on top of it? Yeah, that's the winner.

• 33:20Rick Rubin?

  But we can't get that yet.

• 33:21Speaker 00

  Oh, you can. All you gotta do is buy yourself a soda machine, deuterium depleted water, make it yourself.

• 33:26Rick Rubin?

  Oh, yeah. How about hydrogen water?

• 33:29Speaker 00

  Well, normally I would say yes, but I'll tell you why I say no. The quantitative analysis that those guys do on their machines, they never control for the amount of proteium, which is light hydrogen and deuterium. If they did that one thing, I would say yes to you, but they don't. And nobody gets told that. It's the same thing with the hydrogen pills that you see all the influencers, you know, pedal out there. I don't want people to do that, because if you buy the half-truth, it may preclude you from doing something to get you to the A level.

• 33:59Rick Rubin?

  Is that test possible?

• 34:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, it is possible. The problem is, it would be not, I think financially feasible for the regular person.

• 34:09Rick Rubin?

  I see.

• 34:09Speaker 00

  To do. Do I think hospitals like tertiary care centers could do this in ICUs, like for people who have brain injuries? Absolutely. And why is that the case? In the old school days, like when me and Sean Toll were running the charity hospital ORs, you know, we had canisters of oxygen, nitrogen, and hydrogen. So right now with electrolysis, it'd be easy to get a canister of hydrogen, make sure that it's mostly proteium, which is light hydrogen, not deuterium. You can do the same thing in water through electrolysis, but you probably know, like when you go and buy deuterium depleted water and compare it to Dasani, the price of one is 20 bucks and the other one is a dollar. That's not approachable, you know, for most of the people that are out there.

• 34:53Speaker 00

  But you know, if you've got an unlimited source of money and you're trying to stay away from centralized medicine, would this be a good thing for you to sit down with a commercial gas company and say, look, I'd like you to make me this version of hydrogen and then bubble it into your water with CO2? Make your own version of this. Set it up wherever you go, because you can do this pretty much everywhere. The materials to do this kind of mitohack, not difficult to do. Just do you have the cash to pull it off?

• 35:23Rick Rubin?

  Why is deuterium depleted water so expensive?

• 35:26Speaker 00

  You have to use hydrolysis. Think about how many electric currents you have to do to get all this run down. I mean, I've been told by the guys who have the factory in Romania, that 80% of their cost is tied to the electric bill. Now, the follow up question for you should be, Jack, if we had a thorium nuclear reactor, could we just put that, pay 10 million dollars to make it and put it right next to the trailer here? Dude, you'd have people coming in here all day long.

• 35:58Rick Rubin?

  Is there any place where being grounded is a bad idea?

• 36:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, New York City, where we come from.

• 36:04Rick Rubin?

  Why is that?

• 36:05Speaker 00

  Because Con Edison's put all the things under the ground. You know, we've got jump conduction from all the stuff on Park Avenue and 5th Avenue. You remember, I don't know if you remember this, because you and I've been out in New York for a while, but you know, I still have a little soft part in my heart for the city. Do you remember right at 57th and 5th by the plaza? When 5G went live, I don't know, I think it's 2015? The horse-drawn carriages, you know, they have the metal. They had six horses get electrocuted by stepping on the manhole covers. So the best place for us to ground where we're in the city is on the bedrock in Central Park. Why? Nothing's running under that. So that's where I go to do it. But like where Strawberry Fields is, Con Edison's got shit running through there.

• 36:49Speaker 00

  You know, all the baseball fields that we used to play on in the soccer fields, they have power lines that run under there. There's gas lines, water lines. So all of those carry both electric and magnetic fields. What does that do? That mimics exactly what a weakened dynamo does. When you scale the physics down, the effect is exactly the same. It causes something called a Marcus inversion on the inner mitochondrial membrane. What is that in Rick's terms? It's a NASCAR car crash from complex one to three. Like all the cars are piled up, so no electrons can get through. If they do get through, it's usually a free radical that makes really nasty stuff and harms us. So what the goal of a mitochondria is to understand that the inner mitochondrial membrane is a seesaw.

• 37:35Speaker 00

  And in the middle of the seesaw is between complex three and four. That's where the VDR receptor is, the vitamin D receptor. Then on the other side is the ATPase that spins. UV light makes two things. Vitamin D, which blocks that, slows the car crash down. And then the ATPase gets blocked by nitric oxide, which is made by UVA light. So what does that do? If it slows the spin down, then oxygen can't pull all the electrons through the car crash, so it makes all that bad stuff. So what effectively is happening? The distal end of your IMM is designed to slow electron flow down. What's a drug that you know does this, except it knocks everything out? Cyanide. Cyanide stops it all, but immediately that kills you.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  We are so sophisticated that the higher power spectrum of visible light, which is UVA and UVB, does it just enough, we have a term for that in science, quantized, to slow the car crash down. And that's the reason why you don't want to use a red light panel, because what does a red light panel do when you have a car crash? It spins the ATPase faster. But if you got a car crash here, do you want any more electrons going through the car crash? No. That's the nuance that the influencers, the MDPHDs, they don't get, because they don't understand the physics of the IMM. They were only taught like what Huberman was taught, which is the biochemistry. And the biochemistry is just a half-truth.

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• 40:39Rick Rubin?

  What are some things you built into your house that are not part of the normal construction that you would get in a typical home?

• 40:47Speaker 00

  Well, I just built a hotel down in Costa del Sol with a restaurant. I went into the volcanoes and took a specific stone that has rare earth elements in it. And what I was looking for is two things. I live very close to the SAA, but I'm on the right side, meaning on the Pacific side. Most people don't know that El Salvador is the only country in Central America that doesn't have a Gulf side. So I went into those volcanoes and got a specific stone and I put it all over the outside and the inside of my house and also my businesses and my clinics. What was I trying to do?

• 41:28Speaker 00

  Specifically increase a magnetic acoustic and a magnetic electric effect. Why? These are not things that normal people are gonna do. Very similar to what we talked about with deuterium depleted water or your trick with hydrogen. I am trying to increase and protect myself from the planetary effects. What is the main effect of a weak magnetic field? The vanal and radiation belts come closer to Earth over that area. Deuterium and tritium come down, they radiate it. How did the Mayans, the Peruvians, the Incans, the Toltecs, the Olmecs, how did they protect it? Paramagnetic stones. The Laha that I use on my buildings is all paramagnetic. It's built out of paramagnetic atoms that block that.

• 42:14Speaker 00

  So the interesting thing, Rick, is when you take the Laha, so you put it on a piece of wood and you put it in the El Salvador sun. Down here, the grass grows taller. So remember what you asked me before about oranges and about chloroplast? So do you think that's good for people with mitochondria that live inside? And how did I learn about this effect? This, I think, you'll dig because it's tied to your world too. There's a ball field that's right outside of Chichen Itza that the Mayans built. And that ball field has a magnetic acoustic effect. So if you go on one side of it, and it's probably bigger than an NFL field, if you talk into the wall, you can hear it on the other side. Why?

• 42:56Speaker 00

  Because all of the limestone is made with rare earth elements. The limestone also has these elements impregnated from what? The asteroid that hit at that area. Which is how I learned about this as a young boy, you know, at the Museum of Natural History. And I thought to myself, when I physically saw the place for the first time, when I was a young man, I'm like, I've got to recapitulate this. I never did it because I never had the impetus to do it until this issue happened in December of 2012. And then the magnetic electric effect is humongous for us. Why? This ties all to Becker's work. Believe it or not, it ties to Martin Pecard's work. And it ties to Michael Levin's work at Tufts.

• 43:41Speaker 00

  That we need to increase our bioelectricity to stay healthy, that 30 million volt charge. Well, it turns out, the slide that I had in 2014 at Pasadena when Asprey threw me off the stage, it said magnetism is the father of bioelectric currents.

• 43:59Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 44:00Speaker 00

  So I decided to take the outside, the good things of the volcano and put it around everything. I even put it on the ground. Now, remember, the big benefit of El Salvador is that we have young volcanoes. They're only 60 to 80 million years old. So what's the main magnetic effect? The field in El Salvador is horizontal. That is humongous for mitochondrial function. So most people don't know this, that El Salvador is called the land of volcanoes because it has more volcanoes per cubic kilometer than any place on Earth. Which is the reason why I picked it. The issue is, it's got active volcanoes everywhere. We have more active volcanoes there than just about any other place on Earth.

• 44:45Speaker 00

  But the key thing is, what's the timestamp for those volcanoes? Magnetic hysteresis, it's in those rocks. So I decided I want to put those rocks on my wall, on the inside and on the floor. Like where we ground, it becomes really important. So I know you're a big aficionado of extraterrestrial stuff and aliens and things like that. I want you to think now about all the different stonehangers that are around. You may be shocked to hear this. Do you know that they're all paramagnetic stones?

• 45:12Rick Rubin?

  Did not know that. Never heard that said before.

• 45:15Speaker 00

  Right. And you know, there's the Dolma in Spain, hopefully someday you go look at it. The Dolma, same thing with Gobekli Tepe. All of them are paramagnetic where you could put tens of hundreds of thousands of people under the ground. Why? This goes to your point that you made earlier. Jack, we faced this before. We have. And the ancients didn't know quantum mechanics, they didn't know paramagnetism from their shit from Shinola. But what did they know? They saw that plants would grow when they were blocked from something coming out of the sky. And what did they decide to do? They said, well, if that's good for the plant, it may be good for us. Why don't we start building stuff like that?

• 45:55Speaker 00

  So I got the same idea that when I started construction of the hotel about a year ago, I said, I am going to find a specific type of volcanic stone that has the most RE's in it. And I found it, it's called Laha. It's located in two countries, Guatemala and El Salvador. And this is the craziest part of the story. When Kelly's brother sat down with me, goes, let me get this straight. You decided to dig into our volcanoes because it had the answer that nobody knew about. Instead, we're putting concrete or putting all this other shit up and this stuff is free in the ground. I'm like, nature kinda has a way.

• 46:34Rick Rubin?

  Nature provides.

• 46:35Speaker 00

  Exactly. You know, the thing is, are you open to the message?

• 46:38Rick Rubin?

  Yeah. Amazing that you intuited the message.

• 46:41Speaker 00

  Well, you may say I intuited it, but you know, remember, you and I both grew up in New York City. The Museum of Natural History is in a pretty amazing place. And you know, when those ladies take you around on those tours, when we're kids growing up, some people listen and some people don't. And I have to give those ladies credit because that's where I learned about that stuff.

• 47:03Rick Rubin?

  Tell me about your origin story. You tore your...

• 47:07Speaker 00

  Meniscus.

• 47:08Rick Rubin?

  Meniscus. And then you read some papers.

• 47:11Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:12Rick Rubin?

  What was the first thing you learned?

• 47:14Speaker 00

  Leptin.

• 47:15Rick Rubin?

  Leptin.

• 47:15Speaker 00

  The reason why, I remember leptin was discovered at Rockefeller University in 94. That's after I finished medical school. So I never learned about this hormone at all. The lady who was the wife of the orthopedic surgeon, she worked for a biotech company out here in California. And she goes, look, I think I know why this happened to you. My husband says you're a smart guy. I'm gonna send you a book and six papers. You know the book, Monk Who Sold His Ferrari. And then the six papers are all tied to leptin and the leptin-melanocortin pathway, which is the melanin side. So what she tried to do for Uncle Jack is she tried to get me to realize that Big Farm was the evil guy, but that's not what Jack got out of the interaction. When I read

• 48:00Speaker 00

  the book by Sharma, I actually said, is it possible that what happened in this fable could really happen in life? And Rick, this was like so out of left field for me as a scientist, because none of this is something that my medical education would have brought me to. But I was at a point in my life where I've tried everything that was going on in centralized medicine. And when I saw it, I said, you know, I'm gonna learn more about this leptin. And that's what I did. I went back to Vanderbilt's Medical Library, read as much as you can imagine in 18 months. That's when I told you and Huberman, you know, three years ago, that I realized that 99.5% of everything I was taught was wrong

• 48:45Speaker 00

  because of those six papers in the book. But I needed confirmation that was the case. The mark of a good scientist, not to believe your own bullshit. So what did I do? I did the first test on myself, like who goes first? Me. So I did it and it worked. Then I did it on my son. Then I did it on my nephew, who's going into the Navy SEALs and it worked on him. And then I started doing it on patients and my surgery schedule started to change. And there's doctors in my hospital in Nashville, one specific, Don Lazzas, who's a gastroenterologist, not even a neurosurgeon. He said, Jack, you realize if you publish this in a paper, that they're gonna absolutely burn you to the stake. And I said, yeah.

• 49:29Rick Rubin?

  You're bad for business.

• 49:31Speaker 00

  Well, not only bad for business, but it probably would be bad for Jack. I mean, you saw what they did to Mary Tally Bowden. So you can only imagine this predates her. This is 2005, 2008. So what did I decide to do? I wrote the quilt document, put it on the internet for free. That's when you and I got entangled. You started reading some of my stuff and you're like, this guy is out of left field. He's talking about stuff nobody else is talking about. And then what did I start doing? I started writing blogs on a WordPress site. It didn't hit, because I think I started with the physics and I didn't start where you were, you know, like, which at that time was, you know, the

• 50:11Speaker 00

  food gurus and the paleo guys and all that. And I changed my tune. And then I did something pretty radical. I went to the paleo community and dropped the hammer on them. And then I went and did a TED Talk. And that's what really lit the world on fire. And then right after that, I was invited by a bunch of food gurus to a low carb cruise. And then someone set up a parody account on Twitter and said that I had a bomb and on the cruise ship. And the FBI came down and actually threw me off the cruise ship.

• 50:43Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  Well, it was turns out to be good for me because through that settlement, that's actually how I bought my first Bitcoin.

• 50:50Rick Rubin?

  So you got swatted, essentially?

• 50:52Speaker 00

  Well, I would say, you know, what's happened through COVID. I mean, think about what we're talking about. This is before me and you got entangled. Like, that's the real genesis story.

• 51:01Rick Rubin?

  Long time ago.

• 51:02Speaker 00

  And when a centralized doctor starts to post about decentralized medicine and science, and you know who you're threatening, you're threatening the big paradigm, you know, all the way back to the Flexner Report. Why? Because if Jack can get me to do cold baths, and I don't have to do some of the drugs that the doctors then wanted me to do, well, Rick, remember the design is for you to be a customer for them for the rest of your life. My goal is for Rick to learn about the doctor in his head and start paying attention to him a little bit more.

• 51:35Rick Rubin?

  After leptin, what was the next thing you noticed that was like, the next big piece? I want to walk through all of them.

• 51:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, water and deuterium. They were linked. That was the biophysics of water. The two guys that influenced me more than anyone else, guy named Prapata and Del Jusse. Both of them are dead now. The guy that you know the most about is Pollock. Pollock talks about the EZ, but EZ is kind of, I don't want to say pseudoscience, it's not. But he's been so hammered by the centralized guys. Del Jusse and Prapata are both physicists. He calls the EZ coherent domains. This is like pools of electrons. And that was probably the best quantum coherent way of learning about it. Then a researcher in UK, who I

• 52:22Speaker 00

  know you've heard of, Mei Wan Ho, she was cut from the same cloth as Gilbert Ling was. She used a lot of difficult language to try to describe physics. The language that she uses is biochemistry, which is a lot of the reason why most people didn't understand her. But she was fabulous. And then it all ended for me, it was a guy named, I want to say Polk, maybe that was his name. Anyway, he still has a website to this day on water, all about the physics. And I'm going to tell you, I memorized everything on this guy's website. And I realized right away that there was a big story in water. And it was

• 53:02Speaker 00

  tied to deuterium. It was tied to the spectra of what light and water did together. When Jerry Pollock came out in 2014, I want people to respect Pollock's work. I really do. Because Pollock's experiments are really important, because he took bulk water, put it next to a hydrophilic substance and showed the EZ grows. What do I have to tell you upset me the most about Pollock? Because I don't think you and I have ever talked about this. I went to a medical school in 2014, right after the Asprey event, and Pollock was there. I invited Jerry to come speak to the medical students. And I told them, Jerry's work is incredibly important, but Jerry needs to redo every single experiment he ever did

• 53:45Speaker 00

  and do it with deuterium depleted water. Why? Because my belief is that the results are going to be even bigger.

• 53:51Rick Rubin?

  I see.

• 53:52Speaker 00

  So Jerry came after me and said, well, go find me the money. And you know, that probably wasn't a good response for me, because I look at, if you're a scientist, come hell or high water, you find the money to do it.

• 54:06Rick Rubin?

  You want to find out.

• 54:07Speaker 00

  This doesn't cost a lot of money to do. So I thought that was kind of a bullshit answer, which is kind of why him and I have been cool to each other. But to his credit, two years ago, he did it. And everything that I told him in 14 turned out to be true about deuterium depleted water and its interaction with light. And I will tell you, do I believe that there's more fat on the bone or more juice squeezed in the grape? I had hopes Nicole Shanahan was gonna fund Alexis Cowan, her lab to do some of these studies. So far that hasn't come to fruition. Why? Because I think some of the things that you need and I need, because we're the old mammals, that we need more light and we need pure

• 54:51Speaker 00

  water made from CCO, so that you can keep doing music and I can keep doing my thing, and that we can keep coming together every so often and do these things. Because ultimately, I want to make sure that the Library of Alexandria in my head gets into some of these young kids, because that's what I'm passionate about. I want people to get the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'm not interested in the half truths.

• 55:15Rick Rubin?

  Yeah, I've heard interviews with professors, young professors who grew up on your work. And they're changing everything. So the fact that you have disciples in the mainstream changing the world is a good sign.

• 55:30Speaker 00

  Obviously, you know, that when you're a disruptor or a divergent, you want it to happen sooner than later. And I'm not saying this for probably your benefit or my benefit. But I look at it like this, when the world is changing, as it is right now, meaning 10% change, Rick, we don't have time to dick around here. Like, we need to get this work done. We've got to stop studying the superfluous, or as you like to say, cut the noise out of the music, let's go with the signal.

• 55:59Rick Rubin?

  Yeah, the essence, get to the essence.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  And that's the exact same thing. That's why I don't think that people realize how you and I are like brothers from another mother. The message really is the same. You tell the musician, the same thing I'm trying to tell the PhDs and the MDs. That's why when you invited me to come out here to talk to Huberman, I had hopes that he was gonna resonate that message to the medical students. And then who knows, there may be some kid in Stanford, who's the new Becker, that takes the football from Picard and Becker and really moves it, doesn't do the shit that these guys are doing now, goes even further and really goes deep into the biophysics, or takes the ball where Jerry's left it, picks

• 56:41Speaker 00

  it up and goes further. And I think the interactions that you and I have had over the past 15, 20 years, I hope from that collision, that something good will come from that.

• 56:55Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 56:56Speaker 00

  You know, and irony, or maybe semantics, isn't that the same as the question you asked me about the oranges? Like, in another way, it's another facet in the diamond to think about, one that I haven't thought about until I just mentioned to you right now. But I think anything that we can do to move the football, to move humanity, push it the way we want to do it. It's just like you said, the artist in you has to create. Maybe some people don't see what Rick sees. They don't see what Jack sees. But we have to do what we have to do. We are compelled to do what we do. And we don't really give two shits what anybody else thinks. I don't. I know you don't. And I think that's why

• 57:40Speaker 00

  we kind of have a friendship, because we both see that in each other.

• 57:44Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 57:45Speaker 00

  You know, Huberman was the one that mentioned this to both of us and we both chuckled. I think the fact that we're both from New York actually plays a role here in some way. I think that environment that we grew up in, in some way sculpted that idea in us. Maybe that's the intuition.

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• 59:41Rick Rubin?

  Where did you find the map to see where the magnetic field is strong and weak?

• 59:46Speaker 00

  Well, if I told you the truth, I'd probably get in trouble. Okay, let's just say I have friends inside the government.

• 59:52Rick Rubin?

  Okay, so the government has this information, but it's not public?

• 59:55Speaker 00

  Well, let's put it this way, what you're seeing is the old stuff.

• 59:58Rick Rubin?

  I see.

• 59:59Speaker 00

  What we need is the minute-to-minute changes. Like, we need to know what's happening off the coast of Tasmania and Siberia, where magnetic north and south are. We need to know the inclination, declination. Like, for example, I can tell you, I looked at it before I came here. The magnetic declination of Malibu right now, negative 13. Like, it's off the chain.

• 1:00:22Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:00:23Speaker 00

  New York City, negative 14. So, when you see that, both sides are bad. The Agonik line right now is running from Minnesota straight down to about Lake Charles, Louisiana. The problem is, the lines, like, if I walk from here to your silver trailer right there, which is what you say, maybe 40 yards, you will have 1% declination. So what does that mean? If you move off, then you're creating a Marcus car crash. Well, how I want you to think about this from now on, the further those numbers are, the bigger the car crash gets. Okay, when you're on that Agonik line, no car crash. Everything's perfectly balanced, you know, you're doing everything.

• 1:01:03Rick Rubin?

  It's the seesaw.

• 1:01:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a seesaw.

• 1:01:05Rick Rubin?

  The center of the seesaw. And the Agonik line, you say, are moving.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  Oh, they move every time the polls move. That's why when you see CNN, because you know they're full of shit, and NBC, the same way, when they say the poll's moving, you immediately, your intuition goes, that means everything else is moving. You thought you were in a good spot, you're not. Like, I just told a kid that came to El Salvador, Logan, he's a farmer from central Arkansas, that the area between Arkansas and St. Louis, if you drew that line across the Mississippi River, right now is the worst place to live in the United States. I wouldn't be caught dead there. The only place in the United States that's really magnetically pinned? Pacific Northwest, why? Because they have a lava dome that's growing in the Pacific Ocean,

• 1:01:52Speaker 00

  that's now 5,000 feet, that wasn't there 12 years ago.

• 1:01:55Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:01:56Speaker 00

  So, you say, okay, that's good for them, but what happens if that lava dome doesn't Mount St. Helens? You probably don't want to be anywhere around that area, even though it's good for us, meaning the planet, it's not going to be good for those local people, which goes back to the argument that I made to you before about cornerstone and non-native EMF. It's the same story. The non-native EMF is the focal story, but the dynamo is the cornerstone story. And I think that you have to get the dynamo right before you focus in on the focal stuff. Early in my life, when I first met you, I was all about the focal stuff because I always assumed the dynamo was stable, and I was not correct.

• 1:02:40Rick Rubin?

  But if it had been stable for millions of years, it was a reasonable assumption that time?

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  Well, the critics that will watch this say, well, Jack said early in this podcast, 43,000 years ago, we lost the Neanderthals. But on a relative basis, you are correct, that it's been stable, the papers, they just wrote them in Science Advances, that said that right now oxygen is coupled to the dynamo. I've always believed this, Rick, from my work, but I never had the paper I could hang my hat on. That paper got published in 2024. So now it's axiomatic, you can't argue with me about it. The problem is, even with that paper, we have to understand, it's variable. And when you understand that the Earth's dynamo's been variable the whole way through, the first thing you should think of,

• 1:03:28Speaker 00

  that means that nature has to have a plan for that. And that plan is the reason why the VDR receptor is where it is and why the UVA receptor affects, you know, complex IV. That's how we balance out the effect of the car crash.

• 1:03:45Rick Rubin?

  We know that local honey is better for us than honey from far away. Is that true for everything we put in our body?

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:03:53Rick Rubin?

  Why is that?

• 1:03:54Speaker 00

  Well.

• 1:03:54Rick Rubin?

  How does it work?

• 1:03:55Speaker 00

  That one's simple, we've already answered the question. Who are the most magnetic animals on the planet? Bees. How do they get their honey? They magnetically find the flowers on your trees back there. What do they do? They pollinate, and then they collect the honey and bring it back. So what did they just do? Honey is a magnetic hysteresis. So if you think about it like that, what else do you know? Honeybees are going by the wayside, so is the magnetic field. You're starting to see the story again.

• 1:04:24Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Speaker 00

  So, remember, all the books that me, you, and Huberman talked about, that I told them to read, probably the one that I think you probably read was Life on the Edge by Jim L. Cleely, when he talked about the European robins. Birds have this thing in their eye called pectinoculi, which is a melanin thing. They can see the magnetic field when they leave the planet and they navigate. Honeybees do the same thing. Honeybees also have the ability to see UV light. And what are they using? They're using the UV light that's emitted from the bio photons of the flower to go. So what did I just tell you about bees that I just told you about us? You have to marry the Agonik line to the latitude lines. Honeybees do that, and honey is the result. So what is the correlate to that in the planet?

• 1:05:10Speaker 00

  That's the La Ha Stone in El Salvador.

• 1:05:12Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:05:13Speaker 00

  So that's the abiotic side of the biotic side of the honeybee. And do you and I, as humans with mitochondria, need to pay attention to those lessons? Yes.

• 1:05:24Rick Rubin?

  And that would go for not just honey, but any food that's grown where we are is going to be more conducive in our body

• 1:05:32Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 1:05:32Rick Rubin?

  than something that comes from far away?

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Not even close. You know that that statement has got me into more trouble with food goros than just about any other. And is that now proven? I mean, I still remember the Harvard psychiatrist, when I stood up at the Paleo FX meeting in 2011 and gave the keynote speech, and I said, this lady from Harvard thinks that eating this banana on December 21st is equivalent everywhere on Earth. I said, that is psychotic. Like, and she's a psychiatrist. She should be medicated for that belief. And of course, you know, I took you cheat for that, but guess what? It turns out, not in the distant future, the paper's written, boom, Jack's right.

• 1:06:15Speaker 00

  And you are correct to now generalize that to everything because so far, there hasn't been one paper that's gone the other way. Because now people are paying attention to this.

• 1:06:27Rick Rubin?

  Is exercise a waste of time?

• 1:06:29Speaker 00

  If you're on an Agonik line and you are in the sun, doing the things you need to do, how about we just put it at a zero? Meaning, it doesn't hurt you, it doesn't help you. Many people on social media think that I think exercise is a net negative. I don't. I actually think exercise is a good thing. But let me explain to you very clearly why it's a problem. If you live on a planet that's lost 10% of the magnetic field, deuterium comes into the water table, so it acts like maple syrup. The ATPase is supposed to spin 9,000 times per minute. Does it make sense to spin that against maple syrup or less viscous water? Because that's what happens when you do exercise in a place that's bad. So guess what?

• 1:07:13Speaker 00

  That means exercise is a toxin. So you know I have a friend that you used to follow on social media, Charles Poliquin. And he died of massive coronary event and 58 years old. Guy looked way better.

• 1:07:28Rick Rubin?

  Wildly fit guy.

• 1:07:29Speaker 00

  Right. And he's dead, and you and I are both way past 58 years old. Right? You got to ask yourself why. The next example is COVID. When I went back in to disprove all the narratives about COVID, I went back, unretired, went into the ICUs. Fauci told all of us that fatties were going to die, people with diabetes died. That's not who I saw dying. I saw fit people dying everywhere. How did the fatties die in the ICU? Very simple. The doctor intubated the patient, put a tube in. Remember what I told you before about the Marcus inversion? If you have a car crash here, and you put oxygen here, you pull more electrons, that's how the fatties died.

• 1:08:12Speaker 00

  So was it the fatties or was it the doctor?

• 1:08:15Rick Rubin?

  It was the treatment.

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  Right, it was the algorithm that was used, but you know, when you tell a lie long enough, it sticks. Now, here's my favorite one. This is the update for Rick to use with his exercise friends, especially guys like Adia. The fittest guys on the planet right now, Rick, are astronauts and cosmonauts. The amount of food that's calibrated for their space is down to a metabolic ward level study. Tell me, why is it that if they stay up in space doing their VASPER exercises, past two weeks, they lose 20% of their muscle mass? If exercise is great and food matters, tell me why it happens?

• 1:08:56Rick Rubin?

  Magnetism.

• 1:08:58Speaker 00

  Not only magnetism, gravitational effects, but also more solar plasma. In other words, all the things that I've been teaching you about for 20 years, they all come together. But the point that people miss when I give them this analogy, physics scales at all levels. So I just gave you three examples where it happens. Now, don't you think I should get the answer from the food girls to these questions? Because I haven't, I've been waiting. You know that they've come after me and this has been a point of contention with a lot of people. But I believe what's happened with COVID has really shown it and the COVID effect hasn't stopped. We still see people that are fit dropping dead on soccer fields.

• 1:09:43Speaker 00

  We see kids 13 years old after baseball practice. We just had a kid 17 years old after a baseball game in Ohio, lattice lock on the field. Like, it's not stopping.

• 1:09:54Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:54Speaker 00

  And it's going to continue to get worse because our myopia is not allowing us to see it. I'm going to tell you, if you have good magnetism, good light, decent water, exercise is absolutely beneficial for you. But the question we all need to ask, what if the three-legged stool is highly variable? Does it make sense to go into a blue-lit gym in the middle of the SAA like a guy just did, an MMA fighter? Fit 43-year-old guy, looked better than Peter Attia and Huberman put together? Drop dead. Autopsy showed nothing wrong with him. He had a magnetic stall of his heart. What does that mean? Your heart stops in diastole. Coronaries are clean. No problems.

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  In other words, well, how Rick would describe that, the non-scientist, his life force was removed for him by some mechanism.

• 1:10:48Rick Rubin?

  And if we're magnetic creatures, which we are, and if the magnetism gets turned down, which it is, it seems like high-intensity exercise, when you're already stressed from the magnetism, couldn't eat something like that?

• 1:11:04Speaker 00

  Well, it's a toxin. You don't want to say it, but you said it.

• 1:11:08Rick Rubin?

  It sounds like it.

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  No, it sounds like it, smells like it, it's it. And I'm going to tell you, that is the point that I want people to understand. Why? Because you asked me a question earlier. I told you the east and west coast of the United States is a problem. Our biggest part of our population, you know, is on the east coast corridor. That means there's a lot of people that need to know this information that don't. And their doctors are impotent to explain it to them because they're all trained from Flexner Report Biochemistry. What you and I are talking today about is what I would call functional biophysics of the inner mitochondrial membrane. If you understand literally 1% of what we've said, if I can just get you outside to exercise, win.

• 1:11:50Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:50Speaker 00

  That's a win. Even if they did it in Central Park, a win.

• 1:11:56Rick Rubin?

  After water and deuterium, what was the next aha moment?

• 1:12:01Speaker 00

  Uh, what melanin does with water. It charge separates it. So in other words, the fancy schmancy term is that's called animal photosynthesis. So the first step in photosynthesis of oranges or your tree is light comes in, turns it into oxygen and water and two electrons. Melanin does the same thing, except it makes four electrons. So what am I trying to tell you? More electrons are what life's about. Why? Because that means higher DC electric current. What do you know about electrons and protons? Very basic stuff. Charged particles react to what? Electric and magnetic fields. Oh, we're back to that story again.

• 1:12:44Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:44Speaker 00

  So when you understand that, that means you're more magnetic. Okay? And it turns out melanin is a very special biomolecule because it predates the genetic code. It was never put on this planet by a DNA code. It was here before with another protein called ferodoxin. And that's the iron side of the equation. Ferodoxin is the early grandfather of the cytochromes that are in the inner mitochondrial membrane today. And where does melanin sit? Cap, all the way around the mitochondria. So what does it act like? It's like a film. So the light, the bio photons that you, I and Huberman talked about, create a light show. The melanin is the screen.

• 1:13:29Speaker 00

  Melanin gets rid of all the bad stuff, all the signal, so that the noise only comes out. And it turns out that noise is tied a lot to Jerry Pollack's work, a lot of the water work. It's tied to specific frequencies of light. And I know you're going to ask me, Jack, tell me about those frequencies of light. I can't because I don't have a photomultiplier that I can put inside the cell. That was part of the stuff that I tried to get Nicole fired up with Alexis Cowan to study because I believe the next big thing that moves the football is that.

• 1:14:02Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:02Speaker 00

  We need that information.

• 1:14:04Rick Rubin?

  Where is melanin produced in the body?

• 1:14:07Speaker 00

  Everywhere. Melanin is in all your arteries, but it migrates thereafter. You know what it follows? A collagen called fibrin and laminin and elastin. You heard elastin because of elastic issues. You know, that's how an aorta or a valve can get bigger. All of those chemicals are cischemicals. So when you live in a place where the magnetic field declines, all those chemicals break down. What happens? Then you begin to lose melanin there. And when melanin is gone from the arteries, that's where you get calcification. That's the reason why peripheral artery disease shows up before the organ disease in the brain of the heart. So what does it mean? You've lost your ability, your biophysical ability in your arteries

• 1:14:52Speaker 00

  right off the issue. So when someone has a calcium index score and has a positive calcium score, what it means to me is they got a huge melanin problem. They have a huge collagen problem. There are people that I'm worried about getting injured easier or having problems in different systems that will develop earlier. Like if the collagen problem in the aorta is distally, you got to worry about the liver or the kidneys. If it's proximally, you got to worry about the heart and the brain. It's not rocket science. It's actually pretty easy to understand. But melanin in us was taken from an abiotic system, you know, early in the GOE, which is the Great Oxygenation Event,

• 1:15:33Speaker 00

  brought into our system over mammalian history of 320 million years. We buried it on chromosome number two in a gene called POMC. And POMC makes a big chemical, cleaves it in multiple different proteins, six to 10. One of those things that cleaves is called alpha MSH. When alpha MSH gets turned on by the circadian mechanism, you make melanin.

• 1:15:58Rick Rubin?

  So the sun tells your body to make melanin?

• 1:16:01Speaker 00

  You got it.

• 1:16:02Rick Rubin?

  Anything else besides the sun or only the sun?

• 1:16:04Speaker 00

  No, I would tell, I would tell you it's magnetism direction, but uh, UVA light specifically stimulates alpha MSH. UVB light, all UV light does it. I believe that that is one of the key frequencies in the bio photons. Because in a baby, like when a baby's born, doesn't matter if the baby's black or white, the baby usually has blue eyes and usually has pretty fair skin. Soon as metabolism starts, the baby starts to make UV light from within, they start to develop the melanin everywhere in their body. You know, because they develop postnatally. And what people forget is that melanin comes from neuroectoderm, which is a neural derivative. Comes from the same thing your brain's made out of. Okay?

• 1:16:48Speaker 00

  Your skin is also a neural derivative. So your teeth. All of these places have melanin in it. Like melanin is kind of like the stealth fighter in your body. You need it to do some of the high-level things that are in your body. And it augments what mitochondria can do. It allows mitochondria to be extremely complex, but it's the single most important chemical in your body to creating the vortex. And why is the vortex important? It keeps deuterium in the blood where there is cells that have no mitochondria, which is the red blood cell. Deuterium becomes a problem when it's in tissues that have mitochondria. Because we don't want

• 1:17:30Speaker 00

  that first complex, the one that you hear David Sinclair talk about all the time, NAD positive. When NAD positive gets deuterated, what happens? Every you lose the thirty million volt charge and that's when you can get an aneurysm. That's when your heart can get heart failure. That's when you get neurodegeneration. That's when you get a non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. It's when you get PAD. It's when you get mental disorders. It's when children can get retinoblastoma like this scales directly back to just about every disease. And that's the thing that, you know, I've always tried to get people to understand, Rick, is that physics scales. If you understand biology, biology never talks about this.

• 1:18:13Speaker 00

  You know, even where we are, like the tool guys, when they write lateralis and they talk about spiral out on the arm. So as we spiral out, the environment has totally changed. So what am I saying to you? The conditions of existence of the planet are always variable. Life has to find a way with that variability. We need to be aware of that variability so that we can take advantage of it.

• 1:18:36Rick Rubin?

  Would eating collagen help with collagen or you don't get it that way?

• 1:18:39Speaker 00

  No, but bone broth is a good thing to eat, but no. And just so you know, collagen also is a chiral molecule. Chiral molecules are tied to magnetism. For example, if you're in Brazil and you think eating bone broth is gonna change that? No, not gonna work, but.

• 1:18:55Rick Rubin?

  It's not gonna hurt.

• 1:18:56Speaker 00

  No, it's not gonna hurt.

• 1:18:57Rick Rubin?

  But it's not gonna solve the problem.

• 1:18:58Speaker 00

  No, it's not gonna solve the problem, but it's not gonna hurt you. And I have no problem with people doing it. I want people to understand that if they change their magnetic footprint, then it can really help.

• 1:19:08Rick Rubin?

  Anything besides sleeping on a magnetic goat to change the magnetic footprint besides grounding? And every story you go up is that much worse.

• 1:19:16Speaker 00

  Well, I will tell you a story. I probably shouldn't. I may get in trouble for this, but there's a a Formula One race car driver who's one of my members. And he happens to live in a very declined zone. So he asked me the same question you did. And I said, well, how much money you got and do you know anybody? And he goes, Jack, I'm willing to do anything. I said, okay, I want you to go buy zinc, silver and copper. I want you to get a railroad tie and make a wax outlay of that. I want you to buy the metals in this specific thing, pour it in there. And then I want you to take specific gauge your copper wire and go all the way around your house, every six feet. I want you to put this all around your house. He goes, why are we doing that? I said, don't worry about that.

• 1:19:59Speaker 00

  And then at the end, on the middle, I want you to put a spike. I want you to run the copper up there. I said, basically, we're gonna create a vortex over the place where you sleep. We just made an artificial magnetic field for your house so that your responses and your performance while you're in that race car are better than everybody else's. And he goes, are you kidding me? I said, no. He goes, where'd you come up with this idea? So that's what the Russians did to the cosmonauts. And he goes, are you serious? I said, yeah, there's a guy named Slim Spurling.

• 1:20:31Rick Rubin?

  Slim Spurling was a dowser.

• 1:20:33Speaker 00

  Yes. But guess what? What he found was the effect of copper on the vagus nerve. That's the reason why the stuff that he wears works. But what didn't anybody know, Rick, until I guess the last year and a half with me? Do you know how we really make deuterium depleted water? You know that the copper that's in foods and in trees is isotope sixty-three? The copper that's in CCO, which is cytochrome c oxidase, is copper sixty-five. Your mitochondria has a program in it that selects the isotope of copper that's designed to make deuterium depleted water.

• 1:21:10Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:21:11Speaker 00

  So when you say to me, Jack, can we just create this deuterium depleted water? Rick, if you knew how the body did it, you'd go, wow. The guy that taught me the original idea behind this, this also was a museum of natural history story, a Russian biophysicist called Lakovsky. He got run over by one of the Big Pharma guys in New York City in forty-two. What he did, Rick? He went in Manhattan to all the hospitals and put a special coil, copper coil around their neck and found no matter what the disease was, they got better and better and better. He had no idea really about some of the stuff you and I were talking about, but what did he effectively do? He was improving their vagal nerve function.

• 1:21:55Speaker 00

  This was probably the earliest version of a vagal nerve stimulator.

• 1:21:59Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:00Speaker 00

  Using copper.

• 1:22:01Rick Rubin?

  And it was just a copper ring.

• 1:22:03Speaker 00

  That was it. And he and he did it by trial and error. And he was so successful going in the hospitals that that information flew up the chain pole and then he was run over in the city. But here's the cool thing. Some people think that that buried the information, but here you and I are sitting in twenty-twenty-six. I did a Q and A about six months ago with a gentleman named Miguel who got end-stage Parkinson's disease. And in my Q and A is when we go back and forth, you know, you can see the member in the back. So he looked comatose. His wife was the person on the Q and A and she said to me, she goes, Jack, I've been listening to you about this Aurora that came over my house last year.

• 1:22:46Speaker 00

  She goes, are you saying that that potentially could be the reason why Miguel has gone down so fast? I said, yes. And she goes, okay. She goes, we don't have a lot of money, this and that, but I am going to test your madness. So she picked them up, Rick, and brought Miguel to the beach at Costa de Sol, very close to where my new place is. And they hired a nurse. Rick, in three months, the guy was walking a hundred meters on the beach.

• 1:23:13Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:23:13Speaker 00

  Feeding himself.

• 1:23:14Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:23:16Speaker 00

  And the last bit that I did, I said, you know, I wanna see how much more fat on the bone I could get. So I had one of my employees make him a Lakovsky coil from Vidri, which is this electrical store. We actually took electrical wire from a house, stripped it out and made it thirty centimeters. He got even better. And what was the saddest part of the story? Him and his wife ran out of money. So they had to go back to Puerto Rico. I don't know what's happened to him since he's gone back. I do know from some of my other members that spent time with him, that his wife is doing everything in her power to get him back. The point I'm trying to make to you, Rick, when I saw him in my own Q and A, I hesitated

• 1:23:58Speaker 00

  to tell my own members to bring him because I thought he was too far gone. So guess who got bitch slapped that day? Jack Cruz. I can't be paternalistic about how bad something is because if you know that this potentially can help in some way on their mitochondrial function.

• 1:24:15Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:15Speaker 00

  I have a duty not to be paternalistic. Tell them and see what happens to put a bow on this story. Right before Vince died, he said, Jack, I knew this was a long shot for me. He goes, but my wife and daughter need to stay here because of their issues. So Rick, here's the Jedi mind trick. The guy who they picked up the earth and moon for really knew that his family needed it. Because what am I telling you? They believed.

• 1:24:49Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:49Speaker 00

  I don't know what they believed in order to follow some crazy son of a bitch on the internet to do this, but did they get to spend more time with their dad? Did they learn things even about themselves? And maybe, just maybe, maybe Vince knew something that Jack and Rick didn't know.

• 1:25:09Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

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• 1:27:28Rick Rubin?

  Any other things in the house specific construction? We talked about the stone, you talked about copper.

• 1:27:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would tell you the, the electrical wiring, we use Mew Metal shielded cabling.

• 1:27:41Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:41Speaker 00

  Not as expensive. Other things to do, uh, cooling pillows. I use now bamboo sheets because they keep the temperature down. Why do you want to do that? We already talked about the Curie temperature, but it also stimulates melatonin. You know that melatonin is an antioxidant that helps with that car crash. That's another big effect. We talked about the carbonated water. The, the stuff with the house, here's a big one. I wish I could do this in El Salvador, but I can't. Not because I can't afford it, because I can't get the copper. You know, if I had somebody had a private plane, I would want you to bring me down copper because one of the most amazing things is all the stuff that Pollock found in his work. That if we had copper pipes, that we can actually create coherent domain or easy

• 1:28:26Speaker 00

  in our water. So that means all the water that you collect. If we could collect our own rainwater and then build a vortex in our CT tanks. You want to know the truth? The best way for us to test this, you do it, small scale. Put an orange tree and see what happens. My belief is that you're going to see 40% higher yield. So I would want to do that. It's funny. I went to the Bitcoin conference this year in Prague. And one of the leaders of the conference brought me to a square. And Rick, in the square, it was an old school vortex made of copper. And it had a metal casing over the top, so you couldn't step on it. They collected all the rainwater down and they took me underneath to show me the sewer system. It was all copper all the way through.

• 1:29:11Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:29:12Speaker 00

  And I thought to myself, this is something that we've missed out on, you know, in modern water systems. But the thing is, you know, in a place like where you live or I live, this would be a simple do. Like right before we came here, we designed a new gutter system in El Salvador. I wanted to do it in copper. Rick, there's no copper in the country.

• 1:29:32Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:33Speaker 00

  No, because they're, they're resource poor. And to bring the copper in, it would have been psychotic. Adam has an idea where he wants to create, you know, like a cornice or wood on the outside, then take a hammer and bend it out. Then put that in there, collect all the rainwater and put it in a big copper urn and use that for all of our plants.

• 1:29:57Rick Rubin?

  Sounds great.

• 1:29:58Speaker 00

  You know, it would be like, you know, regenerative farming 101. Why? Because remember what we said earlier about, uh, the thermohaline currents and how we're transferring information and energy from the oceans up to the atmosphere? It's the reverse effect of this. What we're doing is trying to create information and energy in the water and transfer it to plants and us. I've also grounded my teak deck. I tend to use all tropical hardwoods. So I just bought a new wood that I've never had experience with before. Adam's the one that pushed me to it. Balsam, we have now balsam wood. We've used EPA, we've used probably more teak than anything else. We started using Conacasta. He just made me a butcher block that is grounded in the kitchen.

• 1:30:43Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:30:44Speaker 00

  So when you have your meat on it, we think there'll be an effect on that.

• 1:30:49Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:50Speaker 00

  Unfortunately, trips that we make back to the United States, this is when we usually stop off at Home Depot and go crazy and start mewling stuff back. But we came up with some ideas recently about trying to find, you know, the little copper hooks that you hang coffee cups on about electrifying those through rods placed outside, running them in so that the coffee cups, because a lot of the coffee cups down there are made with the earth that's volcanic, so it's got a lot of REEs in it. So we thought about that. We've done same thing with pots. The ladies down there make these black ceramic pots that are made with the Uslatan ceramics. You can put them in a pizza oven, you can put them on fire.

• 1:31:32Speaker 00

  So I thought to myself, could this be a way for us to keep the bio photons in food? Could we actually improve the optical photonics of our food by cooking this way? So we now have optical scanners that can prove this. I've been using a lot of Lake Crusette and tried to improve food delivery quality that way. Can't say that I've perfected it yet. Let's just put it this way. I think the question you're asking me, every single thing that goes into the house. The one specifically at Costa del Sol, it is the smallest boutique hotel in the world

• 1:32:10Speaker 00

  that has probably had everything thought that you could imagine when it comes to a non-native EMF environment. We did a soft opening and we invited people who had specific electromagnetic hypersensitivity. And you know, that's pretty severe. We put them in our house and then we put Starlink on and didn't tell them. Nobody got sick.

• 1:32:33Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:32:34Speaker 00

  So this was our little bio hack. Were we doing the right things? Why? I was concerned about windows and I was concerned about the roofs. And it turns out the way that we constructed it, not a big issue. Another thing, if I can get you to come to El Salvador, the idea that I had is I built a huge metal grate.

• 1:32:53Rick Rubin?

  Yep.

• 1:32:53Speaker 00

  And put chicken wire behind it. And then I put Borgon Villas and intercalated it in it to block everything around. We're also experiencing EMF protection using different plants. I brought two silver palms in to block EMF signals. So far, so good. Also, we have an almond tree. It sits right over the restaurant that we're building. You can't see it. You have to know it's there. But do I believe that it's affecting the back of the restaurant where the people will be working?

• 1:33:26Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:28Speaker 00

  So I kept that too, because the readings there led me to.

• 1:33:31Rick Rubin?

  Are all trees good for EMF?

• 1:33:33Speaker 00

  Let's put it this way. I'd say yes, but certain trees are better than others. And it turns out the tropical hardwoods are really good. Like I'm going to tell you.

• 1:33:40Rick Rubin?

  They're more dense?

• 1:33:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. Have you ever picked up a piece of teak?

• 1:33:43Rick Rubin?

  Yeah, it's heavy.

• 1:33:44Speaker 00

  It's like ridiculous. But you know what the other key thing is? Have you ever noticed the people that live in Central America, when they do their barbecues? How their barbecues can last for days?

• 1:33:53Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:53Speaker 00

  Cause the wood takes forever to oxidize. So you probably have heard of some of the crazy things that I've been doing recently. When I go on all these cruises all over the world, I get specific beeswax candles that the monks in Greece use. They're 24 hour candles. And I burn them in different places. If you're in a magnetically declined zone, they should burn faster. The oxidation rate is also the same thing with tropical hardwoods. So I'm testing that in different places. Why? Because when I do something to the house, I have to have a mito hack to back it up. And I'm using the oxidation rate of the wood and the flame for the same reason. Why? Cause what controls that? The dielectric constant of the atmosphere around it. And what does that tie to? The magnetic field.

• 1:34:39Speaker 00

  So when you see the link, I'm scaling the physics in the, the building.

• 1:34:44Rick Rubin?

  The beeswax candle is such a great idea.

• 1:34:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:34:47Rick Rubin?

  Cause you could do it anywhere. It's easy. You could carry it.

• 1:34:50Speaker 00

  Right. Do I want to go and spend $40,000 to do this in my house? Well, here you go. Go to someone's house and bring the beeswax, check it out. These are the kind of hacks that we're thinking about doing down there right now. We just came up with a big idea for the restaurant. We're building a garage door that has special glass in it that allows the sun to come in. Why? Cause in the restaurant, I'm not putting a classic facade up that you would see. Why? Cause I want the sun to come through there.

• 1:35:19Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:20Speaker 00

  So we're using special glass, a boron nitride glass that allows full spectrum sunlight to go through it.

• 1:35:25Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:35:26Speaker 00

  Why? Cause I couldn't get quartz. Quartz is too expensive. So those are the kind of things.

• 1:35:31Rick Rubin?

  It's stuff that no one's thinking about.

• 1:35:32Speaker 00

  No, but the thing that's going to move your needle, like if I, anything I can do to bring outside in. So the ideas are the same. And I think the building materials that we use are important. We've also done stuff with the concrete that we've used in terms of grounding with the rebar. Right before I came here, I had the whole front of the hotel. It's about as big as your front. All Aha, the whole thing.

• 1:35:57Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:35:57Speaker 00

  You know, and people are like, dude, that's crazy. Why are you doing this? It made a difference. Look, the people that are staying in these two units. She goes, it's even better than it was before. And you can't pick up any of the Starlink signal.

• 1:36:12Rick Rubin?

  Could you explain the leptin reset to me?

• 1:36:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. Leptin is a hormone that it's incredibly important, both from your eye to your hypothalamus. And what is it? It's an energy accountant in your body. It basically is designed to connect your fat mass to your brain to allow you to know whether you're quantum coherent or not. In other words, do you live more in a Marcus reset? Or are you doing things right? Your fat mass protects you in a magnetic decline. Why? Your fat acts as a capacitor, so it protects your organs. So when you hear somebody has non-alcoholic fatty liver, that's probably because they live in a decline zone.

• 1:36:58Speaker 00

  The reason why the liver puts deuterium in your portal vein to do that is you are looking to buy more time. Your body is looking to buy more time so that you can live a longer life. Once you change the environment you're in. Why? Because your body has been built to know that everything is variable. If you remember the long story I talked about, the wildebeest ate the grass. And when the deuterium content went up high enough, they got bellyaches and they knew they had to go across the Nile River where the crocodiles are to get to the better grass. Now they knew that their life was at risk, but they got this signal from eating the deuterium. That's exactly the same story here. And let me explain to you the scale. When a baby comes out of the vagina.

• 1:37:40Speaker 00

  It's a big fat goo floats in water and its brain is not fully developed. Why? The baby can't talk, it can't walk, its eyes are blue. So you know that the baby is not fully developed. What happens is that baby uses that fat mass to actually protect and fill out its brain over 25 to 28 years. What I'm saying to you is the scale, the fractal is exactly happens in the adult form that when the three-legged stool is broken, you create fat mass to protect yourself. Right now, the narrative in food media and influencers that visceral fat is really bad. No, the environment that you're in is really bad and your body is looking to protect itself.

• 1:38:22Speaker 00

  And if I really scale this idea to something that's really gonna shock the audience, cancer is exactly the same thing.

• 1:38:29Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:38:30Speaker 00

  Cancer is a way for you to protect yourself. So you know that when we type cancers in medicine, we go grade one to grade four. Grade one is not so bad, low grade. Grade four is really bad, kinda like GBMs in the brain. What is the stochastics? The link, the Marcus car crash. If it's not too bad, it's a grade one. If it's a four, you're making no deuterium depleted water. The Marcus car crash is great. The other side of the seesaw is dead. So you know that in the COVID world, one of the things that's present on social media is that all these fit people are coming down with these turbo cancers that are grade four. Why is that? The spike protein acts as the thing that decreases the 30 million volt charge and

• 1:39:14Speaker 00

  it can happen fast. The key thing is they don't have the buffer of their fat. That's the reason why the fatties aren't dying. And I told you, the way fatties were killed was we had to put a tube in and we're giving them remdesivir. Why am I coming out and saying this now? Because we're in a world now where we've decreased 10% the magnetic field. Rick, what happens if we get to 20 and 30%? Maybe that idea that I shared with you won't be so crazy five or 10 years from now, kinda like when I shared with you, don't wear your sunglasses or get in the cold. And I think that has a very high likelihood to resonate down the road.

• 1:39:53Rick Rubin?

  There's been a backlash recently against cold exposure. What do you think that's about?

• 1:39:57Speaker 00

  Well, it's because it's affecting the influencers business.

• 1:40:00Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:00Speaker 00

  Everything always comes back to money, you know that. You have to remember, the number one thing that the influencers say is that cold reduces the inflammatory effect, so you're losing the effect of the exercise. No, if you really understand what the effect of exercise is, is actually deuterium deplete. You're designed to squeeze your body to move the deuterium back into the vortex inside your heart. That's really what the purpose of exercise is. When you understand that deuterium has a different nuclear magnetic moment, that when you live in a decline, all bets are off. Like the game has changed and these guys are describing a biochemical process for a biophysics reason.

• 1:40:45Speaker 00

  So I'm gonna tell all the guys out there and girls who are doing CT, don't freaking stop.

• 1:40:51Rick Rubin?

  I read the other day that blue light is today's asbestos. That's funny. I heard you say something to this effect maybe 25 years ago.

• 1:40:58Speaker 00

  Correct, and it is.

• 1:41:00Rick Rubin?

  You think people are just finally catching on?

• 1:41:02Speaker 00

  I think it's become so obvious that you cannot look in the mirror and not realize that light 24 hours a day that has a different spectrum has a huge effect. Like the biophysics has been laid out. The new biophysics basically says it creates a Marcus inversion effect. It destroys the other side of the equation. So it's upside down. And when you understand what that does, it creates free vitamin A, which is retinol. That acts as a wrecking ball for all those chiral molecules in you, the collagen, APOE, melanin, you name the protein in your body and it's affected by it. Why? We are light beings. That means we're controlled by the optico magnetic effect.

• 1:41:47Speaker 00

  That's called Faraday's law. You already heard me talk about the optical magnetic effect. Then we have the optico electric effect. All of these things are paramount to understanding how we work. So when we introduce a different light stimulus than the one that's around us now, remember, it's in frequency, meaning it's smaller in frequency and it's got the big blue light spike. That's not the light that the sun emits. Like, blue light that's in the sun right now is not hurting us.

• 1:42:19Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:19Speaker 00

  But remember, it's got its buffer system with red. It's got UVA and UVB. That's the key that we've all missed. And I think light is a toxin, just like exercise can be, when we take it out of its frame of reference. And I think that's really the story.

• 1:42:35Rick Rubin?

  Is that the problem with most supplements as well? Is that the?

• 1:42:38Speaker 00

  Supplements are a different issue.

• 1:42:40Rick Rubin?

  Okay, tell me about supplements.

• 1:42:41Speaker 00

  Uh, supplements add atomic mass to the base chain. What's the base chain? DNA. How do you experience that in your world? You've heard of methylation. Well, you know, methylation, CH, four groups. Well, the H gets D on it, it's heavier. Who's the number one person that gets heavily methylated when they leave the planet? Astronauts. They're adding atomic mass to their base chain. So when you take supplements that are superfluous, you're doing the same thing. So if you put excess mass in a place it's not supposed to be, if you know that famous equation that I've tried to teach you about that you don't like, E equals mc squared, energy and mass are equivalent. So if we increase mass, what does it do to energy? Reduces it. Is it good to have bad energy? No.

• 1:43:25Rick Rubin?

  No.

• 1:43:25Speaker 00

  And that's fundamentally the reason why you need to avoid it. I always tell people, the best supplement to take is deuterium depleted water. After that, I'm out on pretty much everything. And I'm not gonna tell you I don't use supplements in certain patients, but again, it's kinda like I told you about the use of methylene blue. Based on the patient's N equals one, when I know, then there may be a time where you hear, hey, I'll do this and do that. But would I do it the way the food gurus or the influencers are doing on social media? Take a Casio, or kinda like Huberman tells people, this is my stack. Jack Cruz doesn't have a stack. Jack Cruz will never have a stack.

• 1:44:01Rick Rubin?

  It sounds like the eyes are doing much more than our ability to see. They're doing a lot.

• 1:44:06Speaker 00

  The eye clock is the big one. And then the eye also controls a P2 gene, which controls your supercosmetic nucleus. So if you talk about all the biophysics that happens in the retina before we get to the SCN, I just did a podcast with a fitness guru named Andreas, who originally started out hating my guts. Now he sees the wisdom in what I'm doing. And in the podcast I do with him, I said, let me tell you about that pathway before. And it turns out melanopsin, the blue light detector, neroopsin, the UVA detector, they all play a role in forming that message before it goes through the SCN and then to the leptin receptor.

• 1:44:51Speaker 00

  Remember, the leptin receptor is a distal receptor. So you have to ask yourself the question, if you screw up the biophysics, before the signal gets there, what is it? It's noise. You know, you gotta subtract that out. That's exactly what I'm trying to do when I explain to people that the leptin receptor is a very specific receptor. It has an absorption spectrum of 220 nanometer light. Just so you're clear on that, that is light that not even the sun emits that comes to earth through the atmosphere. So you have to ask yourself.

• 1:45:21Rick Rubin?

  Why?

• 1:45:21Speaker 00

  Exactly. But guess what? Nobody in biochemistry asked that question. Cause I keep posting the picture. I'm like, look, it's right here. NASA says this light doesn't come through. So what does that mean? Means we gotta make it. That was the inconvenient thing that I brought up to Huberman. And I said, Andy, why don't you look into that? I mean, this is like basic softball kinda stuff. And it turns out that the bio photons, the extreme low frequency UV light, we are emitting some of that light. And that light not only plays a role with the protein, but guess what I'm telling you? The water that's around that, that's deuterium depleted, that CCO makes, also absorbs in that spectrum. What else?

• 1:46:02Speaker 00

  One of the other chemicals that's most misunderstood, cholesterol, 260. So when you start seeing all these chemicals that we use, like cholesterol is probably the number one, one in our brain. Why aren't we asking these questions? Why do we say, hey, just take a statin? Cause taking a statin is equivalent to creating a Marcus inversion event. Cause remember, it blocks electrons from one to three complex. So it's just making a NASCAR car crash. We're letting now all the cardiologists out there saying, hey, everybody should be taking this. We should put it in the water. Well, maybe the reason we're saying that is because if they put it in the water, you'll be a patient for life.

• 1:46:37Rick Rubin?

  Knowing what we know about the eyes, does it beg the question, do the ears have any superpowers?

• 1:46:42Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. I've told you quite a bit, that melanin sheet in your cochlea, it's called the stria vascularis. This is one of the greatest questions never asked by an ENT surgeon. Why would God or evolution, no matter who you believe in, put melanin inside the cochlea? This is inside a bone that looks like a snail shell.

• 1:47:05Rick Rubin?

  Light can't get there.

• 1:47:06Speaker 00

  Exacto. And I will tell you, Rick, that is the most amazing part of story because you actually use light to hear. And the interesting thing is that stria vascularis, the membrane that deals with all of our hearing, has a very special fluid around there. We call it endolymph. You know what's special about it? Has a high level of potassium in it. And you know that famous guy that you've heard me talk about? Gilbert Lang, that nobody understood his books? The number one thing that he said, potassium is how we structure water. In other words, that's how we make coherent domain water.

• 1:47:49Speaker 00

  So when you hear that and you think about what I said to you earlier, that light we release gets absorbed by melanin and melanin makes four electrons. And Jack is saying that this water has got more potassium in our ear, way more than any other sense. And here's the craziest part about hearing. It's the one sense that we have that uses more energy than any other.

• 1:48:12Rick Rubin?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:48:13Speaker 00

  And the reason why you have so much melanin in it, it makes it more energy efficient.

• 1:48:17Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:48:18Speaker 00

  So guess what happens when you deuterate endolymph and lose melanin? That's tinnitus. That's Meniere's disease. You want to hear another crazy thing?

• 1:48:27Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:28Speaker 00

  If you take an astronaut, put him in the space four days, every astronaut since 1969 to now, four days, they get tinnitus. When are we gonna have an ENT say, well, if they get it and they have microgravity, no magnetic field and huge solar plasma? Might we have astronauts on the planet that are getting the same problem? Nobody asks that question. It's not hard, Rick. You don't have to know the science. All you have to do is ask the question like a fifth grader and go, yeah, why do we have melanin that's made from UVA light that we already talked about inside a bony cavity? Why are we the primate that has more melanin in our head than any other? All the other primates have it on the outside. We're the ones that like burying it on the inside.

• 1:49:13Speaker 00

  Might there be a reason for that? Should we maybe ask that question? And maybe do some studies about that and see what we get? What's the distillation of that fifth grader question? Uh, problem is, the NIH won't give money.

• 1:49:31Rick Rubin?

  What are the choke points in the medical system that prevent the real breakthroughs?

• 1:49:37Speaker 00

  The number one thing is probably the doctors that control the silos. You remember the story? I did a Bitcoin podcast about what happened in the Manhattan Project with Oppenheimer? And what was the idea that we got from General Groves? That he used with the physicists to build the bomb? Siloed them. Why? He did it then for sabotage and spying. But he was the only one that really knew what the end result was. Oppenheimer was the one scientist that had a pretty good idea of what was going on. But all the other scientists didn't. And that's the reason why they, they had so many fights. What people don't realize is when the industrial military complex gets built by Groves,

• 1:50:22Speaker 00

  outside the US government, what does he do? He uses the exact same formula through DARPA and ARPA. And to this day, DARPA has 120 different silos. And DARPA is the one that controls the funding through the NIH. So I don't think from an organizational level, that we can fix the problem until we deal with that issue.

• 1:50:45Rick Rubin?

  I understand.

• 1:50:46Speaker 00

  And I do believe, because I don't want to totally sound like a conspiracy whack. I do believe, I understand why they do that. My big question is, why is DARPA involved in biomedical research of the big diseases? Like, I can understand it doing it for military purposes.

• 1:51:04Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:04Speaker 00

  But when they have overreached into the civilian world, that's where there should be a wall up. And no, I don't think it should happen. Like, if they find something really cool out, do I think we should use it for the general population? Like, say if it could help all diabetics? Or say if it could help lymery generation? I mean, the best example that I can think of is when Becker found his original work, we buried him. That set back the science of quant biology by 50 years. I mean, that's the reason why.

• 1:51:35Rick Rubin?

  Was Becker the first?

• 1:51:36Speaker 00

  No, the first one was a, you remember the guys that Volts are named after, Volta? Marconi? I would put Tesla in there. But the guy that I give a lot of credit to is someone who Becker gave credit to, is named Burr from Yale. He cut trees and plants and found the same DC electric current in them that's in us. And that goes back to the story that you asked way back about oranges. If a chloroplast does it, that means a mitochondria do. Why? Because fundamentally, they both came from endosymbiosis. Little bit different, but the physics scales. So when you understand that the DC electric current is the be all, end all, we use currents, then you have to realize that it's magnetism. Because remember, where's your tree right now? Where's, where's the roots? To the dynamo.

• 1:52:22Speaker 00

  Where's the canopy? To the sun. What did I tell you about agonic lines? It's agonic lines. Is the tree not a perfect example of this microcosm right in our yard here? It is. And I'm going to tell you, it's the same thing with us. Your link to magnetism and your link to the sun defines what your DC electric current will be. Burr was amazing. Who is the guy between Burr and Becker? Albert St. Georgie, remember, wins a Nobel Prize for partially for the Krebs cycle and partially for vitamin C. He even gets the Krebs cycle wrong, but he gives the most amazing talk in 1941 that Becker happens to hear. And he says, this is the weirdest thing. I look at proteins and I see an electronic structure. It makes me think that they're semiconductors.

• 1:53:07Speaker 00

  Now, Rick, remember, 1941, quantum mechanics isn't even laid out. And he is a biochemist and he says something about physics. That's pretty freaking amazing. And Becker's sitting in the audience as a young student. 20 years later, he proves St. Georgie right. And he uses a lot of this stuff from the Vitalist that get buried from Rockefeller's Flexner Report in 1913. So when you see this big loop and realize that Groves put DARPA in the middle of it, so there's our gatekeeper, the central gatekeeper. But are there other gatekeepers? Yeah, I mean, now doctors, they're taught this Rockefeller Flexner curriculum in med school.

• 1:53:49Speaker 00

  Like, you're taught enough to ask questions, but not question the system. And then you also never think about the siloing you go through in medical school or residency, technically in science to begin with. And if the doctor doesn't ask the questions, like, I've told you this personally, the worst time of my life was that 18 months when I figured this shit out. How mad I was at myself? Because here I am at the top of my class in medical school, supposed to be a smart guy. And I got fooled. If I got fooled, why the fuck shouldn't you get fooled? Of course, you're going to be fooled. Of course, everybody else is going to be fooled. To this day, that's why I'm still mad. You know, I'm still pissed off about it. And the thing is, I don't think being bad about that is a bad thing. I think it's kind of a good thing.

• 1:54:34Rick Rubin?

  It's appropriate.

• 1:54:35Speaker 00

  Right, because I can see the effect that it's had. And when you ask me a question like that, I want you to understand, it's not an easy question to answer because the scales of control go into different things. I think the levels of control go all the way down to hospital administrators. Like, right now, I would tell you the number one thing is no hospital administrator should have anything to do with the clinical practice of medicine. And COVID proved that they are knee deep into it. I really believe, probably the most controversial thing I'll say to you, I really believe today that you would do better never to go into a hospital when you're sick. Because they will seek to kill you at some level. Now, they may not have malintent to do it. They may not know what they're doing.

• 1:55:20Rick Rubin?

  It's the system.

• 1:55:21Speaker 00

  Right. Well, the system is built for profiteering and making sure you're a patient forever. Not to reverse the disease.

• 1:55:29Rick Rubin?

  Is there a planetary solution to beef up the magnetism of the planet?

• 1:55:36Speaker 00

  I think there is, but you have to look back. This is where you're going to like my answer. You like the alien story. So you know those skulls in Paracas that have the big huge collagen is chiral. So we know that that wasn't aliens. That was what happens to collagen in this field. So what do we know all the ancients did? They built those dolmas in the ground out of paramagnetic stones. I gave you my idea. The modern version of is railroad ties with dissimilar metals connected through copper wiring. So yes, I wouldn't call it a planetary scale.

• 1:56:12Rick Rubin?

  It's more like individual.

• 1:56:14Speaker 00

  Right. Like in other words, humans are going to have to take care of their local zip codes to improve the situation. But I will submit to you to answer your question. Next time you have a chance, I want you to look at a picture of Mars. Mars, Venus and Earth are all rocky planets. So is Mercury, but they have a very interesting, unique history. They're all tied to magnetism. Remember I told you that physics has to scale? What's the most unique thing about Mars? Mars lost its magnetic field four billion years ago. On its equator, it's got Valles Marineris, which is a huge trench the size of the United States. The southern and northern hemisphere of Mars, one is missing 30 kilometers of rocks.

• 1:56:56Speaker 00

  My belief is that the sun hit it with a massive CME four billion years ago to restart the dynamo. Dynamo never came. All the rocks got blown off the southern hemisphere. That's the remnant. Let's go to the other rocky planet that no one ever talks about. You know what's unique about Venus? Cause Elon Musk doesn't want to go there. Do you know that a day on Venus is almost a year on Venus? Takes 243 days to go around the sun. The day on Venus is 233 days. Do you know that a day on Venus can vary by 20 minutes every day? Here's something else crazy.

• 1:57:33Speaker 00

  Venus doesn't also have a magnetic field, but it's got this huge dense CO2 environment that you can't see through. And the crazy thing, it's got lightning that goes from the ground up, not the ground that.

• 1:57:48Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:57:49Speaker 00

  I got the best one for you. I saved it for last.

• 1:57:51Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:57:52Speaker 00

  It's the only planet that goes around the sun the wrong way.

• 1:57:54Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:57:56Speaker 00

  So if the magnetic field continues to get worse, do I think the outcome of the earth is going to be more like Mars or more like Venus? More like Venus. Because it got tidal lock. All the CO2 is there. It's the planet trying to save itself, but the dynamo is dead. So what did it do? It changed its ability to react. The light that it's creating now is doing exactly what a mitochondria does inside out. So do I see that corlet there? I do. The last planet Mercury, so close to the sun, that's basically an iron sulfur core. When I say an iron sulfur core, it's very much like the mitochondria.

• 1:58:40Speaker 00

  The atmosphere doesn't play a really big role there because it's effectively been burned off. But do we know that it does have a dynamo? It does. We just don't think it's as active as the one on earth. What I think is happening, earth is the fourth planet of the Rockies that is now starting to go through the path of the four. And for the last, I would say 540 million years, we've been oscillating. And as you said to me, Jack, what's your intuition tell you? If oranges keep going away, Rick, and mosquitoes keep going to Iceland and honeybees keep going away. And Atlantic hurricanes keep getting more rare, we're going further south.

• 1:59:21Speaker 00

  Now, the number one thing I can't tell you is I can't tell you the angle or the slope of that line. Part of the reason I'm here again with you, doing something I said I'd never do, is you probably have figured it out. Now I'm interested in trying to figure out the slope of that line. So now you know why I'm here. And yes, am I looking for very specific things in the physics of the ocean? The physics of the atmosphere and specifically some of the volcanoes on Hawaii. Cause you may not know this, but Hawaii used to be the south pole of the earth.

• 1:59:57Rick Rubin?

  Did not know that.

• 1:59:59Speaker 00

  Last time we had a true magnetic flip that you hear all these guys talking about like Roger Cunningham, the ethical skeptic. 780,000 years ago, it's called the Neoprotozoic period. That's when the earth's magnetic sphere was 98% reduced. That's the real reason life stayed simple and bacteria and archaea. What magically happens 560 million years ago? The outer core and the inner core of the planet changed. My belief, have no proof of this. I think we got hit with a CME. And when do I think the current 10% slide began for us? 1859. We got hit with a CME then called the Carrington event.

• 2:00:42Speaker 00

  That's when Alexander Graham Bell was first working on the telephone. He famously got electrocuted from the CME because there was no wires around at this time. And do I think that that was the sun realizing that the dynamo was starting to weaken? I think it's gotten radically fast since December of 2012. Specifically at the, the winter equinox. What gave me the clue to that? Venus. Venus is what I've been using. I've been using a lot of the things that the Mayans looked at. Mayans were experts in telluric currents. These are currents that come out of the earth. These are the currents that come out of the skies.

• 2:01:23Speaker 00

  And one of the things that the, the Mayans noticed is that when plants didn't grow and they needed to use paramagnetic rocks, there was a problem. When aurora showed up inside the tropics, they knew there was a problem. But the Mayans, as far as I'm concerned, are the only modern humans that have survived a magnetic dynamo. They lived for 4,500 years. What's the end of their story? They left Guatemala and Mexico and went back to El Salvador where they began. Do you know why they left El Salvador in the beginning? A huge volcanic eruption occurred in El Salvador in a place called Medapan, killed like 40, 50,000 people. They decided they couldn't live there and they moved up.

• 2:02:08Speaker 00

  When they lived in this area, my belief is that they were informed by previous magnetic events by the people in Paracas, Peru. Those are the people that built Machu Picchu. I also believe they were informed by the Toltecs, by the Aztecs, the Incas. And they had some baseline information about how to build their pyramids and what to do. And in their 4,500 year period, they realized as they moved up to Guatemala where the volcanoes were active. Then they moved across to where Chichen Itza is because they knew the water was special there. And they were right because previously an asteroid had hit there in the last extinction event. That delivered a ton of rare earth elements.

• 2:02:53Speaker 00

  Wasn't that the karst in the ground, but that water, because it's satin karst, was naturally deuterium depleted. Then when you add the REEs on top of it, you have a big effect. And this will be the last thing I say to you that'll probably make you smile. You know, the pyramid of sacrifice? They found a five meter thick Inca blue for all the people that they cut their hearts out. Still there to this very day.

• 2:03:21Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 2:03:22Speaker 00

  So guess what? They were using some of the crazy quantum physics that you and I have been talking today. You know those samurai sword guys that made the best swords in the world? Before we knew anything about metallurgy or physics or chemistry, how'd they do it? Trial and error and paying attention to nature. And that's how I think the Mayans did it. And today, when you go to Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, you still saw those little Mayan faces cruising around.

• 2:03:52Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:52Speaker 00

  So guess what? They are one of my big teachers.

• 2:03:56Rick Rubin?

  When did the Mayan calendar end?

• 2:03:59Speaker 00

  December of 2012. And that's when the poles, north and south, started to migrate massively. You may call it a coincidence. Jack, is there any coincidences in nature? Does nature make mistakes, Rick?

• 2:04:14Rick Rubin?

  We know it doesn't make mistakes.

• 2:04:16Speaker 00

  So maybe this is a little bit more than a coincidence. Maybe this is something that's tickling Rick and Jack's intuition. So that maybe Jack is going to come and see Rick again for another time that he said he wasn't going to do. To kind of go see, does the physics line up? And do I think if I'm breathing and I'm curious enough so that who knows what? Maybe down the road, we talk about what'd you learn? What's happened? What's the new thing?

• 2:04:46Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:47Speaker 00

  What, what's the next step? What else do you think about now that you know this? To me?

• 2:04:52Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:52Speaker 00

  That's what makes our life fun. I don't look at it from a negative connotation standpoint. All chaos is good. You just have to be able to operate within it.

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