We Review ‘You Can See Everything’, Tesla Unveils Rocket Powered-Roadster | Diet TBPN

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• 0:01John Coogan?

  Why do you call it the capital of capital, Jordy? Why, why do you feel that way? Why do you think that way? We're of course referring to, you can see everything, the fun Nathan Fielder movie that we saw yesterday where he always asks the follow-up question, asks, why do you feel that way? Why do you say that again and again and again?

• 0:19Jordi Hays?

  She never hit him with the, um, why questions are over determined.

• 0:22John Coogan?

  She should have, she should have hit him with the why questions are over determined. That would have been the, the truck car that just aced.

• 0:29Jordi Hays?

  Got him.

• 0:29John Coogan?

  Yeah, he would have been.

• 0:30Jordi Hays?

  Nathan Fielder hates this one simple trick.

• 0:33John Coogan?

  He would have been stun locked, yeah. But a Nathan Fielder PT crossover would be incredible. That's the next movie they gotta do. Deep diving the Antichrist, figuring out all the questions there, that'd be so.

• 0:45Jordi Hays?

  That is, I think, the only way that you could one up this.

• 0:47John Coogan?

  Yeah, no, so, I mean.

• 0:48Jordi Hays?

  It's maybe even too inside baseball, right? Cause this was such a big story.

• 0:53John Coogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 0:54Jordi Hays?

  A decade ago.

• 0:55John Coogan?

  Yeah, yeah, everyone knows and they've seen the show and stuff, but yeah, I mean, I, I'm pretty much a 10 out of 10 on the movie. I thought it was fantastic. I really, really enjoyed it. We went with a bunch of folks and thanks to everyone that came out and hung out with us, it was a great time and.

• 1:07Jordi Hays?

  It had a big impact on us. We ditched the IEMs.

• 1:11John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12Jordi Hays?

  We're gonna be using these headphones now going forward. We're also gonna be shooting like this.

• 1:16John Coogan?

  Yes.

• 1:17Jordi Hays?

  Uh, the whole show.

• 1:18John Coogan?

  Cinematography was incredible. There's a lot of debate going on in the studio on how much VFX was involved, how much cinematography and actual lighting equipment was involved because every shot is beautiful. It's perfectly lit and yet they're in these tight spaces, this small beach house in Del Mar and it looks incredible. And my thesis is that just the cameramen are as good at what they do as what Nathan Fielder does. Like they are just experts of their craft. They use the best tools. They got incredible cameras, incredible lenses, and they went in there and they shot it beautifully, even with some crazy lighting at times, they figured out how to make it amazing. Uh, and maybe there's color grading after the fact, but I, I was, I'm sort of skeptical

• 2:03John Coogan?

  of the theory that like before every scene, they went and set up a bunch of 10 by 10 diffusion and shot a bunch of light through. Maybe there's some stuff going on outside pushing through windows, but it seemed pretty natural to me and I think they're just really good at making it look beautiful, but.

• 2:18Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, it was masters, masters at work.

• 2:20John Coogan?

  Yeah, a- a- across the entire production. Everyone involved, even the A24 people who, I think they cast them, they, they cast actors, I don't wanna spoil anything, but, uh, but there's some A24 references that are fun and, uh, everything, everything about it is incredible. So highly recommend going and seeing it, probably stay spoiler free if you can, because, uh, it's a fun wild ride.

• 2:42Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, the thing is that I think you could know exactly what happened.

• 2:47John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48Jordi Hays?

  And it would still be wildly entertaining.

• 2:49John Coogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:50Jordi Hays?

  Like the whole concept is just so absurd.

• 2:51John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52Jordi Hays?

  It is, if you followed Nathan Fielder across his career.

• 2:54John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:55Jordi Hays?

  This makes sense as a natural progression.

• 2:57John Coogan?

  Totally.

• 2:58Jordi Hays?

  And yet at the same time, it's unbelievable that all these different pieces came together.

• 3:03John Coogan?

  Yep.

• 3:04Jordi Hays?

  And various groups like agreed to do something like this.

• 3:07John Coogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 3:08Jordi Hays?

  Being, uh, Billy and, uh, Elizabeth.

• 3:10John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:11Jordi Hays?

  Uh, it is just almost unbelievable.

• 3:13John Coogan?

  Yeah. When the trailer came out, a lot of people were asking like, why would she agree to do this? And I really think it's like.

• 3:19Jordi Hays?

  Your view.

• 3:20John Coogan?

  You're serving 11 years in prison, there's nowhere to go but up.

• 3:22Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, your view was like, there's no real downside.

• 3:24John Coogan?

  No real downside.

• 3:25Jordi Hays?

  All upside.

• 3:26John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:27Jordi Hays?

  And I think people will come away from this generally having a lot more, like regardless of you think she was guilty.

• 3:33John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:34Jordi Hays?

  Or not, you're gonna come away. Um, you're gonna come away, uh, feeling bad for her and the whole situation, right?

• 3:46John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:47Jordi Hays?

  The days and days and days of scenes with her and her children.

• 3:50John Coogan?

  They will.

• 3:51Jordi Hays?

  These shots, these shots, you know, the, the final shot before prison where she says she does her, you know, pump, is pumping breast milk.

• 3:59John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:00Jordi Hays?

  Uh, for the children, saying like, bring it back.

• 4:02John Coogan?

  Are you guys laughing at the framing or just what Jordy's saying? I'm so confused.

• 4:07Jordi Hays?

  Sorry, it's very distracting.

• 4:08John Coogan?

  Okay, Liz Wessel, Ramp investor over at First Round, big news from Ramp, Eric Clive is coming on the show today. Uh, but, uh, she took 150 founders, investors and builders to an early screening of the, of the movie. She polled 16 of them and 14 out of 16 came away saying they are more positive on Liz Holmes. Doesn't mean they're fans, just means that they thought less negatively of her.

• 4:31Jordi Hays?

  Wait, how many?

• 4:32John Coogan?

  That sounds like it worked. 14 out of 16. So, so she took 150 people, very odd methodology, Liz. I mean, nice, the nice that you did this, it's interesting content, but you should have pulled off 150. Uh, but instead she polled 16 sort of casually and she asked them some basic questions. Do you feel better or worse about Elizabeth Holmes after seeing this film? 14 said more positive, only one said more negative and one didn't change. But all 16 said they felt more negative about Billy and there's some other data there that will kind of leave, uh, but you can go check it out. Anyway, uh, don't miss it, go see it this weekend. Uh, the spoilers are just gonna keep, uh, keep trickling out and, uh, it's just fun seeing it in a, in a packed theater, cause everyone's laughing at different moments, everyone's gasping at different moments.

• 5:17Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, the film, the film was, was effectively a psychedelic experience.

• 5:22John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:23Jordi Hays?

  In many ways.

• 5:24John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:25Jordi Hays?

  Like it was, it was riveting, it was like, you know, funny at these.

• 5:29John Coogan?

  The cuts, the production.

• 5:30Jordi Hays?

  The coverage is just so funny, we're dying back here.

• 5:32John Coogan?

  I'm glad we have this tool now, but no, no, I agree with you.

• 5:34Jordi Hays?

  Someone just texted me and said, uh, apparently.

• 5:37John Coogan?

  What? What'd they text you?

• 5:39Jordi Hays?

  Apparently my, uh, my wonderful wife texted the team telling them the show is messed up, super zoomed in.

• 5:45John Coogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 5:48Jordi Hays?

  Uh, I will be going back to see it.

• 5:50John Coogan?

  I'm seeing it tonight again.

• 5:51Jordi Hays?

  You are?

• 5:52John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:53Jordi Hays?

  With them?

• 5:54John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:55Jordi Hays?

  Amazing.

• 5:56John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 5:57Jordi Hays?

  Um, very cool. Yeah, we'll be going back as soon as possible. But the whole thing was, um, yeah, completely psychedelic in my experience.

• 6:02John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:03Jordi Hays?

  And just a very, it wa- it was kind of strange for me because two hours into the movie.

• 6:09John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:10Jordi Hays?

  Now there was a fire.

• 6:11John Coogan?

  Crazy.

• 6:12Jordi Hays?

  That, that, uh, got started somewhat near my house. And so I started getting calls and texts, uh, about that. And then I ended up kind of like, my attention ended up trailing off.

• 6:19John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:20Jordi Hays?

  So I have to go see it again. Um, but, uh, really an incredible work of art.

• 6:24John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:25Jordi Hays?

  Instant, instant classic.

• 6:26John Coogan?

  Instant classic, yeah. Very, very fascinating. Uh, well, uh, I think, I think we can zoom out, this is a tool that we can have in the tool chest. We can go back to the normal lighting and the normal level of zoom, cause I got a big reveal, cause what am I wearing today? I got the Felbert again award, cause your boy put down 5,000 hard earned dollars on a Tesla Roadster reservation two days ago and, uh, I think I gotta refund it, cause the demo's incredible, but it's not starting production until 2028. I was under the assumption that this was the launch of the Roadster, that this was not the reveal, that, uh, maybe I just read the tweets wrong and I wasn't dialed in or something, but I thought it was like, okay, this is the start of production.

• 7:11John Coogan?

  Like they're producing them now, they're going to show what's happening, show the final design and then be like, yeah, and the people that have been waiting seven years, they're getting theirs next month and then a couple of months later, and if you just signed up six months.

• 7:23Jordi Hays?

  Going into production, so, so first of all, I'll start by saying absolutely incredible.

• 7:27John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:28Jordi Hays?

  Uh, feat.

• 7:29John Coogan?

  Insane.

• 7:30Jordi Hays?

  Amazing show.

• 7:31John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:32Jordi Hays?

  Absolute cinema.

• 7:33John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:34Jordi Hays?

  Uh, wonderful that they're doing this. There's a bunch of stuff that I'm, I really love about it.

• 7:36John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:37Jordi Hays?

  But dropping like, the car will be going into production in 2028 was just like.

• 7:40John Coogan?

  Rough.

• 7:41Jordi Hays?

  Completely insane.

• 7:42John Coogan?

  That's how I felt. It was rough. I want a fun Tesla now, like, like that self-driving car.

• 7:48Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 7:49John Coogan?

  Technology's so cool, I just want it now.

• 7:51Jordi Hays?

  If you gave Tesla a quarter million dollars in 2017.

• 7:55John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:56Jordi Hays?

  And if you had just put that in the S and P, you would be, you would have multiples of that by now.

• 8:00John Coogan?

  Yeah, you'd be waiting.

• 8:01Jordi Hays?

  Um, and then you, you, there's this big event, the event gets delayed again.

• 8:04John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:05Jordi Hays?

  Two weeks and then, yeah, we're making the car, but it, it's gonna be going into production in 2028, which easily means it could be like.

• 8:12John Coogan?

  Could be delayed.

• 8:13Jordi Hays?

  It could be, well, no, I just like, it could be getting deliveries at the very end of 2028, potentially 2029.

• 8:19John Coogan?

  I mean, you could start production December 20th, 2028 and that's not a violation. And then production could run for like four years. So if you're later in the queue, it could take a really long time. That happens with special cars all the time. Uh, elite, elite.

• 8:31Jordi Hays?

  We lost, we lost Sandra.

• 8:33John Coogan?

  But, um, the other thing is that it just felt like they re-raised the stakes so much by being like, we're gonna put cold gas thrusters and rockets on it, it's gonna be able to do kickflips. It's like, okay, that's a lot to work.

• 8:44Jordi Hays?

  All you had to do.

• 8:45John Coogan?

  Yeah, all you had to do was beautiful car that goes fast.

• 8:46Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 8:47John Coogan?

  Beautiful car that goes fast.

• 8:48Jordi Hays?

  I was trying to, I was trying to imagine, so the, the reason that you do this now, even though the car's not actually ready to announce at all.

• 8:53John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 8:54Jordi Hays?

  Is pressure from the probably 10,000 plus people that reserved this car a long time ago.

• 9:01John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 9:02Jordi Hays?

  And it's getting kind of annoying, you feel like I'm not delivering on something that I said. And two, to kind of like make the Tesla SpaceX merger, like start to build towards that.

• 9:13John Coogan?

  I like that thesis a lot.

• 9:14Jordi Hays?

  That, that feels like why you would do this now, otherwise like you don't need to announce a car that you're not making for two years.

• 9:21John Coogan?

  Yeah, when they opened the car door for one of the cars, because I think some of the cars don't have seats, some of them do, some of them are, are, can be drivable, some of them can just do kickflips, there's a whole variety of products that they're demoing and then they'll bring everything together over the next two years, hopefully. But, uh, when they open the door and they're like, there's someone inside, it's spaceman, he's in the space suit, it's like, okay, that's a SpaceX product in there as well, it's not just the thrusters. And then I was expecting almost like an Optimus in there, but I forgot that Optimus is technically a Tesla project, not a SpaceX project, but it feels like a SpaceX project now because it's SpaceX AI or SpaceX SI. And so when I think of like robotics and artificial intelligence, I think SpaceX more than Tesla now. So it's like, these, these companies just are destined to be.

• 10:01Jordi Hays?

  The, the contrast between how incredible like the show and the spectacle was and the demo and the technology with like the delivery from Elon and the, the two other guys.

• 10:11John Coogan?

  Oh yeah, a lot of dead air.

• 10:13Jordi Hays?

  Like.

• 10:14John Coogan?

  Lot of dead air.

• 10:15Jordi Hays?

  The, the most awkward delivery in so many of these kind of semi awkward moments.

• 10:19John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 10:20Jordi Hays?

  Uh.

• 10:21John Coogan?

  We gotta play the actual video.

• 10:22Jordi Hays?

  But let's, let's, let's talk about, yeah, let's talk about everything that we love about it.

• 10:25John Coogan?

  Okay, also predictions, because if you remember yesterday on the show, I predicted that it would be able to lift off the ground. I said something like six feet, it clearly does more than six feet. That was my prediction. I did not predict ramps.

• 10:36Jordi Hays?

  I said ramps everywhere.

• 10:38John Coogan?

  Ramp's everywhere and that's exactly what we got. I mean, it's just one big ramp, but it's effectively ramps everywhere based on, I, I think this totally counts. Insane that it can go upside down like that. Uh, the McMurty spurling can actually do something similar with just fans.

• 10:52Jordi Hays?

  Should we do a tier list? I think it's time for a tier list.

• 10:55John Coogan?

  Okay, I like this.

• 10:56Jordi Hays?

  Let's get a tier list going.

• 10:57John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 10:58Jordi Hays?

  Okay. Juvenile hu- I'm gonna start with juvenile humor. All the jokes about, uh, all the, the sucking related jokes.

• 11:07John Coogan?

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 11:08Jordi Hays?

  I'm gonna put those at F tier.

• 11:09John Coogan?

  F tier.

• 11:10Jordi Hays?

  Completely unnecessary.

• 11:11John Coogan?

  Okay, the, yeah, the childish humor is F tier. What about just the fact that it went on the ramp up to the top before it did the kickflip? That is so insane. That is S tier.

• 11:21Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, it, it, the thing about watching it is even seeing it live.

• 11:25John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:26Jordi Hays?

  Part of, I, I think it was

• 11:31Jordi Hays?

  super smart that they had a live audience and everyone there to see it and all this stuff. But because it is like, looks like it's breaking the laws of physics. It just, it doesn't feel real, just for that reason. Which is, which is

• 11:43John Coogan?

  What tier are you putting?

• 11:44Jordi Hays?

  That's S tier.

• 11:45John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 11:46Jordi Hays?

  Breaking the, the perceived laws of physics.

• 11:49John Coogan?

  Okay, uh, so, so, so the

• 11:51Jordi Hays?

  Mark in the chat says, I expected more.

• 11:54John Coogan?

  What did you expect?

• 11:58John Coogan?

  You're golf posts in the atmosphere, in the stratosphere. What are you doing? That's crazy. Uh, what about the rumor that it will be able to beat an F1 car on the

• 12:10Jordi Hays?

  Okay, this is, this is what I love.

• 12:12John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 12:13Jordi Hays?

  The flying stuff is cool, but irrelevant if you're a buyer of this vehicle. Because I think they maybe ship it to a handful of friends of Elon's influencers. I'm thinking people like Whistling Diesel. Maybe get

• 12:25John Coogan?

  You know that Tesla hates him, right? He's the Cybertruck thing?

• 12:28Jordi Hays?

  Oh, right.

• 12:29John Coogan?

  Oh, yeah. No, he is publicly

• 12:30Jordi Hays?

  Okay, so not Whistling Diesel, but maybe some like car influencers and they do some demos. But, but it was very clear during the thing, as he started saying, I was like writing some of this stuff down before they actually released these like specs, but he says, not sure it'll be legal in all jurisdictions, but it will be a car that someone can own. And so I'm just thinking, okay, it's like a, not a road legal car.

• 12:50John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:51Jordi Hays?

  And, and so the, the, all the flying stuff.

• 12:54John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:54Jordi Hays?

  Completely irrelevant to people like you and me that put down a deposit.

• 12:59John Coogan?

  So, so, uh, Ron DeSantis chimed in and said like, we're gonna make this thing legal in Florida. And I think it's actually pretty easy to, what? Isn't that amazing?

• 13:08Jordi Hays?

  I do not, as much as I want flying cars, I don't want to be in traffic with someone that has this capability.

• 13:16John Coogan?

  But what if it's, what if it's geofenced?

• 13:18Jordi Hays?

  That's just because they're gonna mog you.

• 13:19John Coogan?

  Oh.

• 13:20Jordi Hays?

  You would be getting mugged.

• 13:22John Coogan?

  Watch out. Um, what about, would you be okay if it was, uh, there was, there's never been an explosion of the tank? It's a very highly pressurized 10,000 PSI tank and it's geofenced so that if you're on a public road, you cannot take off, you cannot engage the cold gas thrusters, but you can just drive it like a sports car. But one of these pulls up next to you, yes, there is a highly pressurized tank there, but the software is limiting it on street roads. Are you okay with that?

• 13:50Jordi Hays?

  Uh, anyone will be able to jailbreak it with codex.

• 13:53John Coogan?

  Ooh, okay, okay.

• 13:55Jordi Hays?

  I'm sorry. Um, yeah, it's just, it's the way that it works currently.

• 14:00John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:00Jordi Hays?

  It gives you one and a half to two seconds.

• 14:03John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:03Jordi Hays?

  Of airtime.

• 14:04John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:04Jordi Hays?

  There's no, um, real utility to it. It's purely

• 14:09John Coogan?

  What if a bridge collapses and you need to get

• 14:11Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, there is a video, we do have a video of that. We, we should pull it up.

• 14:14John Coogan?

  Yeah, the ultimate, ultimate usefulness. But I think that there are two real utilities. And this was a tech demo that could fork into two paths and maybe both, maybe they'll try and do both. But one is what if, yes, this is the real, most likely scenario where you'll want this car. You're driving along a very long bridge and it explodes down and you engage the cold gas thrusters and you save your life. What is your life worth? Couple of years on a Tesla Roadster waiting list and $250,000 of your hard earned cash in Tesla's bank account? Easy price to pay. Uh, anyway, there's a fork in the road right now and I think Tesla's trying to do both and they might

• 14:55Jordi Hays?

  By the way, in, in 89,

• 14:57John Coogan?

  Yes.

• 14:57Jordi Hays?

  The Bay Bridge had a bunch of damage. Someone did drive

• 15:01John Coogan?

  Over it?

• 15:02Jordi Hays?

  Uh, like off the cliff.

• 15:03John Coogan?

  That's crazy. Okay, so

• 15:05Jordi Hays?

  And it was fatal.

• 15:06John Coogan?

  And that's only 89. So, yeah, and our infrastructure is crumbling, right? We haven't reindustrialized yet. This is a good value prop. That's value prop number one. Uh, value prop number two is I think this car can actually, if they really design it for it, do a sub five minute Nürburgring. I think that with the fans and the thrusters, when you're on the straights, you're actually a rocket car. You're never leaving the ground and it's designed to keep you on the ground. So it's sucking you to the ground. So you're going around the corners really fast. And you're effectively in Porsche 919 Evo territory with a car that's like from a manufacturer. And I don't know if it's road legal, but I think that they might put up like an actually insane track performance from this thing.

• 15:50Jordi Hays?

  Yeah, by teasing, by teasing the lap time at Cota, that was like the best Easter egg of the whole thing.

• 15:56John Coogan?

  Exactly.

• 15:56Jordi Hays?

  Because again, there's two ways to view yesterday's demo. There's just like shock and awe. It's crazy. Cult of Elon is amazing. The car is flying, all that stuff.

• 16:05John Coogan?

  Yep.

• 16:06Jordi Hays?

  And then there's like, I want to get this car or I'm, I'm considering buying this car. What is it actually going to do for me?

• 16:12John Coogan?

  Yep.

• 16:12Jordi Hays?

  And creating massive amounts of downforce and being able to put up F1 style lap times is, is insane and is very exciting. And actually, the things that they kept hinting at were like, this is a driver's car.

• 16:24John Coogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:24Jordi Hays?

  And that's what I loved, right? Um, and I think that a lot of the people that are, that have reservations will be excited about that. And so that obviously was just like a minor detail compared to the whole circus.

• 16:37John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:37Jordi Hays?

  But that's what I think is actually cool because no other car manufacturer would do this in that way. Nor would they add the thrusters to the rear to help with that zero to one time.

• 16:47John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:48Jordi Hays?

  There's a lot of questions that, that you immediately start having of like, do you think tires would last like one lap? If you're pushing it on, at Cota?

• 16:56John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 16:56Jordi Hays?

  Like it would probably, like, they would probably just be completely shredded after a single lap.

• 16:59John Coogan?

  I think it's just get the record, just max the record. It's like zero to 60

• 17:03Jordi Hays?

  And then I was starting to think about it. I'm like, tracks will 100% ban these from public track days. Cause can you imagine like your average Roadster owner just like heading down to their local racetrack and being like, I'm gonna go out for a public session.

• 17:20Jordi Hays?

  Driving like an absolute banshee.

• 17:22John Coogan?

  He was gesturing towards like flying car, flying car, flying cars here. And yeah, it can only fly for two seconds. But you could see a world where you are actually able to deploy this as a, a flying car adjacent technology. It's really far from that, but there is a world where like, my, my example was like parallel parking or like, or like jumping the car somewhere. Like not quite the bridge mode and also not like, I'm taking this from LA to San Francisco.

• 17:53Jordi Hays?

  No, the, the obvious use for the thrusters in daily life is two cars are pulling down a street and there's one spot available that you're going to need to parallel park into. If you see somebody pulling up to that, you hit the thrusters, just float into the spot.

• 18:09John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:10Jordi Hays?

  Land perfect.

• 18:10John Coogan?

  You know what actually would have been a really awesome demo? Have you seen those videos of, I think it's I Show Speed jumping over a Lamborghini that going full speed at him? And he jumps over it. Uh, if they'd done that with two Roadsters, like the old Roadster from 2019 that they never released, like driving straight at it and you're like, it's gonna crash. And then it goes psh and jumps over it. That would be cool.

• 18:29Jordi Hays?

  Yeah.

• 18:30John Coogan?

  Um, but I do think that like, this is 1% closer to you get in the Jetsons feature. Like you get in the car and you say, take me there and it flies you there. Like, there's a lot that needs to happen. You need actual rockets onboard. You need a sustained thrust. You need a lot more. But like, if we were, this is clearly like one notch towards, okay, yeah, your car actually just flies you from one place to another. So I don't know. What do you think that?

• 18:56Jordi Hays?

  Only 1% closer.

• 18:58John Coogan?

  I think this is one, I mean, it, it goes for two seconds. You're gonna be in the car for

• 19:01Jordi Hays?

  Do we know that? Or like the demos were very short.

• 19:04John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:04Jordi Hays?

  And like presumably it can go for 20 minutes, but like, can it go for one minute? Like, what, did they actually say that?

• 19:09John Coogan?

  One, one minute would be 5% of the way there from a 20 minute flight. And I think you're gonna need, I think to be flying car, you're gonna need to be in it for like 40 minutes. You're just gonna blast off and just coast and land and it, it launches you with such

• 19:23Jordi Hays?

  I mean, you only need launching, then if, if you have a like kind of some kind of glider mechanism.

• 19:27John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:27Jordi Hays?

  Then you don't need more thrust.

• 19:28John Coogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's, he's channeling like the James Bond car. I don't think anything's off the table over the long haul. But again, this is like 10, 20 year vision. This is

• 19:36Jordi Hays?

  Like if I have a car and I'm in a ton of traffic and I can jump over that traffic for like 20 seconds, that counts as a flying car. No? That's a jumping car?

• 19:43John Coogan?

  Yeah, that's a jumping car. I don't think that's a flying car. Anyway.

• 19:47Jordi Hays?

  So I actually think it was amazing that the Mission S launched the same day.

• 19:51John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Jordi Hays?

  Because it was like the most beautiful version of stagnation, right? In the Mission S in that, in that, uh, the Mission S is, you know, some combination of the Porsche 959 and the GT1, and there's some other influences in there. But fundamentally, it's just like a car that just sort of returns to the kind of cars that everybody wishes were still being made, right? Like in some ways, like the interior looks like it could have been done by like a Resto mod company, right? And so, and it's just gonna have like a vanilla-ish V8 in it is like at least the rumor. And so

• 20:29John Coogan?

  Not V8, it's flat eight, but yeah.

• 20:31Jordi Hays?

  Flat eight.

• 20:31John Coogan?

  Maybe. They didn't confirm it, which is crazy. They're both doing vaporware. It is, it's crazy that they've been working on the Mission F so long and they can't tell you what type of engines inside.

• 20:40Jordi Hays?

  I think, I think the, I think they'll just, they'll, I expect the Mission Fs to progress a lot more quickly than the Roadster.

• 20:49John Coogan?

  When do you think it actually will be delivered?

• 20:50Jordi Hays?

  I would expect a-

• 20:52John Coogan?

  First one, customer delivery, human driving it.

• 20:55Jordi Hays?

  I would hope that they go into production next year.

• 20:58John Coogan?

  Me too.

• 20:58Jordi Hays?

  Like at the end of next year.

• 20:59John Coogan?

  Me too.

• 21:00Jordi Hays?

  So like 2028 deliveries.

• 21:02John Coogan?

  That'd be amazing.

• 21:03Jordi Hays?

  Um, but that being said, it was like, it was like stagnation, but it was perfect. Right? Like they, they listened to their customers, which automotive manufacturers have for better or worse, not been doing or been sort of unable to. And there was just so many details to that car that are just amazing. Like the, almost every single angle is great. I've noticed like everyone has like a different favorite angle. Like there's not like one.

• 21:30John Coogan?

  Totally.

• 21:30Jordi Hays?

  Like to me, you know, the rear end of the car is just like absolutely incredible. Saw some people that didn't like that. Some people like the side. I don't like the side nearly as much as the front and the rear. But regardless, like absolute perfection, but basically zero innovation, right? Like everything that really draws you in, like the seats, right? And the harness and the fact that it doesn't have a screen, right? It's all about going backwards in time.

• 21:54John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:54Jordi Hays?

  And I think that's amazing. And then I, and I think that Tesla pushing the boundaries and like trying to reimagine the car, adding like new forms of propulsion, right? Like the, taking us into the future while Porsche just sort of returns in a beautiful way. I thought the contrast was amazing and I think that, uh, it's okay to like both cars, even though I canceled my order this morning at the Roadster.

• 22:22John Coogan?

  Yes. Fell for it again. I like, I like the design of both. The only thing I don't like about the Roadster is just like, I, I'm worried it's not gonna ship. Uh, and I think it's just gonna take so long because they, they added so much crazy stuff that'll take forever.

• 22:36Jordi Hays?

  RX says the front of the Roadster looks like a Gallardo.

• 22:40John Coogan?

  I think that looks cool. I, I, I think, I think evolving the Gallardo language is great. And I think that Lamborghini has, has kind of like shirked that responsibility, ceded that territory. So I think this is fine. There's a little bit of Gallardo in there. There's a little bit of Cybertruck in there. I'm in. It's awesome. I think it looks great. Um, yeah, obviously nowhere near street legal. You need mirrors. We've had this debate a million times. Every concept car takes the mirrors off. It looks amazing and then you gotta put them back. Uh, and, and Elon would have figured out how to take the mirrors off of the Model Y and the Model S if he could, because no one likes the mirrors. No one uses those anymore. But the laws are the laws and he hasn't been able to figure out his way around them.

• 23:21John Coogan?

  And I don't think it's gonna start now, although, uh, that seems like something you'd get maybe some single issue voters behind. Candidate in 2028 specifically on removing the side mirrors. Good for emissions, good for aesthetics. It's a win-win. It's a two-party issue. Uh, anyway, what do you think of the wing on the back?

• 23:40Jordi Hays?

  I think the rear of the vehicle is where it shines.

• 23:44John Coogan?

  Cool.

• 23:44Jordi Hays?

  I think the side profile and the front are horrific.

• 23:47John Coogan?

  Okay.

• 23:48Jordi Hays?

  But overall, very, very cool.

• 23:50John Coogan?

  Let's close this out, give you some facts. The Tesla Roadster pricing, you put a $5,000 deposit now, down now, uh, for the default performance level, which does not have the thrusters, the jets, it can't do kickflips, but it is Tesla's fastest, craziest sports car at the moment. Uh, that's gonna be a $45,000 deposit within 10 days. The thruster model requires you to put $245,000 down for a total of $250,000, uh, within 10 days. Then you gotta wait. And the flight model is unknown and it's invite only at the moment. So the mo-, uh, so the thruster model can't do the kickflip. The one that they want to do the kickflip, the one that wants to actually fly, we don't know the pricing, we don't know where that's gonna land.

• 24:33John Coogan?

  I, I'm actually not that worried about pricing, just because SpaceX and Tesla are really good at making things pretty cheap. So I, I, like, if they can get this out and they can get it to be 250, you know, a million dollars, you'll see them and they'll be popular and they'll be cool. Um, again, the flight stuff feels like, uh, very limited. And then it's like, are you gonna have like a new type of track day where you can go do kickflips all day in your car? Is that, is that gonna be appealing? Because-

• 25:02Jordi Hays?

  Well, no, I'm expecting the gas recharging for the thrusters to take like 24 hours, you know? So you're gonna, I mean, it really is, it really is a, a really good party trick.

• 25:14John Coogan?

  Yeah, but-

• 25:15Jordi Hays?

  But, but after seeing, can you imagine the experience of being in the car for a kickflip?

• 25:20John Coogan?

  That would be extremely violent. But I don't know, you just wear, wear a helmet and five part, five point harness or something. Yeah, I, I don't think, I mean, there wasn't anyone in the car, but I don't even think the inside of the car that did the kickflip like has seats. Like I think there's some pictures of the underside and it looks like it's basically just all a roll cage. We can pull up this one from, uh, Zaren Dub. Uh, a lot of my timeline last night were a bunch of suckers who fell for this very expensive parlor trick without asking any questions. And it's quite disappointing. Um, this sort of grid, may, maybe an empty shell in there. Doesn't really matter. It is a tech demo, uh, but it's not, it's not the iPhone moment because the iPhone, of course, was available after it, uh, after it was announced.

• 26:04John Coogan?

  And so, um, I don't know. It's a, it's, it's a very interesting dichotomy. Elon is simultaneously Thomas Edison and Barnum and Bailey. He's the circus entertainer who can, um, who can, you know, put on a crazy show and talk about what technology will be like in, you know, 10, 20, 30, 40 years. But then he can actually deliver like the most popular and successful car in the Model Y and become the most popular car in China even, and actually land the rockets and get Starlink to work. I use it on planes. Like the technology is real and then the hype is also fake, but both exist at the same time. And it's very rare to see that in a entrepreneur, in a founder in the modern era. Most people are either all style or all substance. He's both, which is interesting.

• 26:49Jordi Hays?

  Last thing I would say, somebody, there were, people were pulling out this post from Elon in like 2019, describing, yeah, with Marquez, describing exactly what the Roadster would become.

• 27:00John Coogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:00Jordi Hays?

  And there were a bunch of viral posts being like, oh my gosh, we live in a simulation.

• 27:04John Coogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:05Jordi Hays?

  Because he just said what he was gonna do and did it. It was so funny because I was like, are we living in a simulation because he just said in 2019, I'm gonna do this?

• 27:14John Coogan?

  Eventually. And then he did it a decade later. That's not a simulation, that's just a-

• 27:18Jordi Hays?

  That's just called planning.

• 27:19John Coogan?

  That's just a prediction.

• 27:20Jordi Hays?

  Wanted to distract you from the absolute disaster that we've had today in the markets.

• 27:26John Coogan?

  Oh, it's rough. What's going on?

• 27:28Jordi Hays?

  Jim Kramer says, maybe we clean out this blown up hedge fund and start fresh on Monday.

• 27:32John Coogan?

  Hmm, okay. So NASDAQ is down 2.14%. S and P 500 is down 1.09% and the Dow Jones is down just one, uh, just 0.34%, but lots of red all over.

• 27:46Jordi Hays?

  Kramer called it one of the worst days of the year.

• 27:47John Coogan?

  Uh, yeah. NASDAQ nears biggest weekly loss in more than a year. Uh, tech stocks are falling sharply Friday. Remember, you got this alpha from us yesterday because if you paid attention to the stream, the stream title was sell everything, including your dollars. It's over, over. And, uh, it looks like it is in fact over, over. But maybe we'll clear out this hedge fund and we'll be back on Monday. We'll see. AI related shares came under new pressure, pushing the NASDAQ down 2.4%, which leaves the benchmark down 4.7% for the week. If the tech-heavy benchmark finishes down more than 4.68%, it will be the worst week since the tariff meltdown. I like that in this Wall Street Journal report, they were hammering this out so fast, they

• 28:31John Coogan?

  capitalized the T H E, uh, all caps for some reason. I think it's just a typo, but it lets you know that a human was hammering this out and saying, I'm, I'm mad, I'm mad, I'm angry. This is crazy news. Anyway, uh, there's a bunch more stories, but we'll get to them on Monday.

• 28:46Jordi Hays?

  2.6 says, wait before you guys go, is Tyler still an intern? Uh, news flash, Tyler has never actually been an intern. He was always paid.

• 28:56John Coogan?

  Paid.

• 28:56Jordi Hays?

  And he dropped out of college like, how long ago? Year ago?

• 29:02John Coogan?

  I think, I think his original deal, he had to go to school for a decade. So he turned that down, came here.

• 29:07Jordi Hays?

  Came back.

• 29:08John Coogan?

  But, uh, yeah, I don't, I don't actually know your official title. Co-host. Oh, I mean, in the Wall Street Journal, just host. They didn't even hit you with the co. Tyler Cosgrove was featured in the Wall Street Journal.

• 29:17Jordi Hays?

  One of us.

• 29:18John Coogan?

  One of us. He made it into the journal. Very, very, it's a big moment. The, the first time you get in the print edition, did you actually get the copy of the print edition? Did you see if he made it?

• 29:26Jordi Hays?

  We didn't get it delivered that day, so I don't know.

• 29:28John Coogan?

  Somebody stole it!

• 29:29Jordi Hays?

  But I don't think it was in the print edition.

• 29:30John Coogan?

  Okay, well, we should figure that out. But Tyler is in the Wall Street Journal. You can go to WSJ.com, sign up, uh, you, you can, uh, search his name and, uh, he was, he was in the article, uh, about Cheeky Pint and how the tech elite are drinking beers. And Tyler broke it down. Do you have anything else? They, they, they sort of, uh, they sort of mugged you a little bit, didn't they?

• 29:52Speaker 02

  Well, if-

• 29:53John Coogan?

  Got him.

• 29:55Jordi Hays?

  Okay.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Tyler said, um, he didn't watch the full episode because he has a life. But Tyler Cosgrove-

• 30:08John Coogan?

  TVP N, here's the breakdown, so. Yeah, yeah. That's great. Yeah. The Wall Street Journal said, they, uh, journalist said, uh, I didn't watch Cheeky Pint because I have a life, but this guy over at TVP N, this host, Tyler Cosgrove, did. And so he hit you with the host, hit you with the full name, spelled it correctly, got the name of the show slightly wrong, but it's okay. We'll hit, we'll hit them with a correction for that. But we love the Wall Street Journal and we love you all for tuning in. Christmas is always hottest before it gets cold. Dark, it's always darkest before dawn.

• 30:42Jordi Hays?

  It's always hottest before the snow falls.

• 30:44John Coogan?

  It's always, it's always hottest before the snow falls. Uh, yeah, there's no, you have control over, we have invented air conditioning. We don't live in France, we live in America. You have air conditioning.

• 30:56Jordi Hays?

  We love you guys.

• 30:57John Coogan?

  If you want to get Christmasy, just turn on the air conditioning. Good night.