Second Helpings - Callum Turner

While we’re on our summer break we’re diving back into the Table Manners archive to relive some of our favourite episodes from 18 amazing series! First up we’re remembering when we invited Callum Turner over for a fish dinner back in early 2020. After a mesmerising performance as Sean Emery in the BBC's The Capture, he was about to star in the new film 'Emma' playing Frank Churchill. We talked to the Londoner about growing up on a Chelsea estate with his Mum, who was a night club promoter, supporting Chelsea (🥴) all whilst eating sherry cod with tomatoes and butter beans, Dusty Knuckle sourdough and Panettone Bread & Butter pudding. He reminds us of 90's 'fish in a bag', talks about introducing custard to the USA, being a creature of habit and dear Colin The Caterpillar. And my husband said I hadn't made this much effort in my appearance since our wedding day 🤷🏻‍♀ enjoy x Listen & watch Table Manners here - https://tablemanners.komi.io/ Follow Table Manners on: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tablemannerspodcast/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@tablemannerspodcast Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/tablemannerspodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TableMannersPodcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:41Speaker 00

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• 0:56Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table manners second helping's twenty twenty six. And we're going to start off this series with an episode from February twenty twenty. The turn of the Covid lockdown.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10Jessie Ware?

  And it was Callum Turner who came over.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  I've got to say something now. Callum, I think I had Covid at the time and I hope you weren't till later.

• 1:19Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Because I was later tested and I had antibodies and I was quite ill that week. But I was supposed to be a trooper and carried on and I never in my wildest dreams thought it was Covid.

• 1:30Jessie Ware?

  We were very excited to have Callum over because I'd kind of fallen in love with his character in The Capture. He was playing a character called Shaun Emery. And my husband said, I hadn't made as that much effort since my wedding day.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  I know, it was, it was P D L. What's that? Pre-Dua Lipa.

• 1:48Jessie Ware?

  Pre-Dua Lipa. I think I accidentally said at the end of the episode, thank you, Callum Turner for coming all over me.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  What a gorgeous man.

• 1:55Jessie Ware?

  Lovely man. He's also very handsome. But he was coming on to talk about the film adaptation of Jane Austen's Emma, which was directed by Autumn De Wilde.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  I think I watched that during the long lockdown month where we watched Telly midday.

• 2:11Jessie Ware?

  I made Bella's sherry cod with tomato and butter beans, which was from our cookbook, which I think was about to come out. And we served it with dusty knuckle sourdough.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:20Jessie Ware?

  And you did a bread, bread and butter panettone. Because you had leftover Ottolenghi panettone from Christmas.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Delicious.

• 2:26Jessie Ware?

  Callum Turner coming up on second helping.

• 2:44Jessie Ware?

  Callum Turner, thanks so much for being here.

• 2:46Speaker 03

  It's nice to be here, thank you.

• 2:46Jessie Ware?

  Where have you come from?

• 2:48Speaker 03

  From home.

• 2:49Jessie Ware?

  Where's home?

• 2:50Speaker 03

  I live in Kennington.

• 2:52Jessie Ware?

  Oh, why?

• 2:53Speaker 03

  I know, it's perfect.

• 2:54Speaker 02

  Whereabouts? Oh, just down.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  Just down the road.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I used to work at the Belgrave when it was a hospital. Opposite the Oval, there's a kind of flats and it was a children's hospital.

• 3:04Speaker 03

  Quite a spooky looking building.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  It was gorgeous inside.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  It's flats now.

• 3:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, it's sad.

• 3:09Jessie Ware?

  Are you, would you class, would you call Chelsea South London?

• 3:13Speaker 03

  Um.

• 3:14Jessie Ware?

  Would you call it a west?

• 3:16Speaker 03

  You're shaking your head. I definitely would say more South London than West London. South West, it's South West, it's literally in the middle.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  But it's not over the river.

• 3:25Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, but still.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  But it's on the river.

• 3:26Jessie Ware?

  You wouldn't, you wouldn't say you're a North Londoner though, would you?

• 3:29Speaker 03

  No.

• 3:29Jessie Ware?

  Absolutely not. No, not even a West London, I mean it's.

• 3:33Speaker 03

  I mean, I'd say South West, yeah.

• 3:34Jessie Ware?

  Fine, got it.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  So where do you go to eat after the match? Do you remember the Blue Elephant?

• 3:39Speaker 03

  No.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  It's a Thai restaurant. On, yeah, Fulham Broadway. And you walked over a bridge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you walked over a bridge and they had water running through.

• 3:49Speaker 03

  Next to where the Fulham Broadway is now.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember that place.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think I ever went in there.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  Do you go to football matches?

• 3:56Speaker 03

  I got a season ticket, yeah. This is my fourth year.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  Fourth year.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  This is a big contention. You're looking at me because you're a Manchester United fan.

• 4:03Speaker 02

  It's fine, I like Frank Mountbard.

• 4:05Speaker 03

  You do?

• 4:05Speaker 02

  I think he's a nice bloke.

• 4:06Speaker 03

  That's not what you said before the.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  No, I just don't know that how good he is, but he's a nice bloke. He's probably better than Ollie.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  Look, we all love him and, you know, he's a hero. He's a hero, he's a legend, he's an icon.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  I prefer him to John Terry.

• 4:20Jessie Ware?

  Anyway, how's things post The Capture?

• 4:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, things are good. As in my life?

• 4:27Speaker 02

  We were huge fans.

• 4:28Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 4:29Jessie Ware?

  It was bloody good, apart from I had, I had an issue with the ending.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  I don't know why you said you'd done it.

• 4:36Speaker 03

  Because.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  I just don't know why.

• 4:38Speaker 03

  Do you want me to say that?

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, please do.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  Because the guy, Napier, said that he would alter those images of him with his daughter to make him look like a paedophile.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  And then if those images are out, then that would be it, you know, like that, there's no, you know, there's, there's no coming back from that.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  That was so mean.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  You liked it, yeah?

• 5:00Speaker 02

  I loved it.

• 5:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was great.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Are you going to do another one?

• 5:03Speaker 03

  I don't know, I have no idea. I honestly, I have no idea.

• 5:08Jessie Ware?

  Would you like to?

• 5:09Speaker 03

  I would love to, I love that character, but, but where would they take my character?

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Because they could recruit you because you're so clever.

• 5:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, but he's not that clever.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  You are clever.

• 5:18Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 5:18Speaker 03

  It's more that he's like so determined.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  You're like Jack Bauer. You've got away.

• 5:24Speaker 03

  Jack Bauer, twenty four.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were kind of, you never got captured till you got captured.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  And you only got captured.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  Jack Bauer never gets captured.

• 5:32Jessie Ware?

  He died.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  He died?

• 5:34Jessie Ware?

  You've got like three seasons.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  He never got captured and you only got captured because you gave yourself up because of your daughter. Because you loved her.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  I love, I love.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  It was compelling. I loved it.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  My aunt actually one day had like sixteen theories. She was, she was a little bit tipsy. Sixteen theories and one of them was right and I was trying to keep poker face.

• 5:55Speaker 02

  Oh, what?

• 5:55Speaker 03

  But she was literally just knocking one out after the other. All this, all this, all this. And then one of them she got. And I was like, yeah, no, not that, I don't think, no.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  The only thing is, I don't think you'd have fancied that lawyer. She wasn't your type at all. I thought you might have got it on with Holiday Grange or whatever her name was.

• 6:14Jessie Ware?

  That's obvious.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Well.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  But they're both, they're both fighting the good fight, aren't they?

• 6:18Speaker 02

  But she's joined up now.

• 6:20Speaker 03

  They're both joined up, yeah, who knows?

• 6:22Speaker 02

  I think if you joined up, that would be epic.

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Is that what you want to say?

• 6:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:25Jessie Ware?

  We know where the information is, it's on the mantelpiece.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it is, yeah, it's in the chip, yeah.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  I know you're going to be in Emma.

• 6:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:34Speaker 02

  Are you a posh bloke in that?

• 6:35Speaker 03

  Very posh, yeah, very, very posh.

• 6:37Jessie Ware?

  Who are you in it?

• 6:38Speaker 03

  Who's that?

• 6:38Speaker 02

  It's a cat that always comes in when we do a podcast and drives us mad.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Very sweet cat.

• 6:44Jessie Ware?

  It's all right. Tension seeker, I think. Yeah, who are you in?

• 6:48Speaker 03

  I play Frank Churchill in Emma, who's sort of the, do you know the book?

• 6:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:52Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I mean, yes. Yes, I do, I mean, I've seen.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  You're not Mr Elton.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  I'm not Mr Elton, no.

• 6:59Jessie Ware?

  Who's Mr Elton?

• 7:01Speaker 02

  Oh, it's Johnny Kim.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  Josh O'Connor.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Oh, I love.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  He's so good, will you put him in a good word for us?

• 7:07Speaker 03

  I will, yeah, yeah. Will you want him on here?

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd love it.

• 7:09Speaker 03

  I'll get him on here, I'll get him on it.

• 7:10Jessie Ware?

  He's looking great as Prince Charles.

• 7:11Speaker 03

  He's great in Emma too, he's, he's really funny, yeah.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Oh, is he in The Durls?

• 7:17Speaker 03

  He's in The Durls.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  I loved him in that.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  He's the guy that we look like each other. We're very similar looking, yeah, yeah. We always say that if someone's looking for Josh, I'm like, no, it's Callum.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  So do you wear britches?

• 7:31Speaker 03

  In the, in Emma? Yes. We actually had, all of the clothes were made for us. Alex Byrne is a costume designer. Brilliant, brilliant artist and she designed all the costumes for us. Everything, the hats, you know, the lot.

• 7:49Jessie Ware?

  And the director is, is it Autumn?

• 7:51Speaker 03

  Autumn De Wilde.

• 7:51Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, and how is it working?

• 7:53Speaker 03

  Autumn's amazing.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  Autumn De Wilde.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  Autumn De Wilde is, is like the premier rock photographer for behind the stage, behind the scenes. She did like books with the White Stripes and Beck, you know, do you know who Beck is?

• 8:05Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 8:05Speaker 03

  That famous pink album cover, she shot that, she's, she's really cool.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  That must have been a long time ago though.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  I think it was, yeah, maybe two thousand.

• 8:13Jessie Ware?

  Is this her first feature film?

• 8:14Speaker 03

  This is her first feature, yeah. She's, she's, she's a boss, man, she's, she's, she's, she's taken a very English story and put her punk DNA into it, which comes out in the casting.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  I can't wait to see it.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's cool, I mean, it's like the left field version of Emma, it's not the English and she's really lent into the comedy and the casting, you know, mostly people that are doing independent films or horror movies playing in this eighteenth century world.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Is Mia Goth?

• 8:46Speaker 03

  Mia Goth, no, Mia Goth plays Harriet, Anya Taylor Joy is.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  That's the one that she's trying to sort of fix up, matchmaker, yeah. Who plays Emma then?

• 8:56Speaker 03

  Anya Taylor Joy plays Emma.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  I don't know her.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  She's, she was in this movie called The Witch, which was this brilliant movie, come out twenty seventeen. This horror movie.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  I think I saw the trailer.

• 9:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's incredible, you should watch it, it's pretty scary. And she's done, I think she's done like twenty movies in four years or something. She's really prolific, yeah, she's brilliant, she's brilliant.

• 9:20Jessie Ware?

  And because you're such a movie buff, what's your favourite film that you've seen recently?

• 9:24Speaker 03

  Well, this week I've seen Uncut Gems twice.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  I'm dying to see it.

• 9:29Jessie Ware?

  Oh, that's the Adam Sandler one, right?

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, go to.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Callum loved it.

• 9:33Speaker 03

  Prince Charles Cinema in Leicester Square. It's on thirty five millimeter and that's how they shot it, so that's how it's meant to be seen.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Fantastic, oh, nice.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  And then twice, it's, it's mad, it's like a mad movie, brilliant. The Saffy Brothers, like, you know, and then I saw nineteen seventeen.

• 9:49Speaker 02

  What did you think?

• 9:51Speaker 03

  I loved it.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, everyone's loved it.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  I loved it, yeah. I almost cried about five times and I said that to my brother and sister. And they said, what was the bit that you cried the most at? And I was like, the fact I wasn't in it.

• 10:06Speaker 03

  So brilliant, honestly.

• 10:08Speaker 02

  Good for you.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  Fantastic movie.

• 10:14Jessie Ware?

  So, I don't know if you know that much about this podcast.

• 10:17Speaker 03

  A little bit.

• 10:18Jessie Ware?

  It's like about food and it's about food, memories and so you grew up in Chelsea with your mum.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:27Jessie Ware?

  Single mum.

• 10:28Speaker 03

  Single mum, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:29Jessie Ware?

  She sounds amazing. I read the Evening Standard article and she just like, you painted a really amazing picture of her in that.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  She's very cool. She's a wonderful woman. I actually rang her before this because you sent me that text message of like, food that you used to eat. And I said, mum, what stuff did you cook for me?

• 10:47Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  And she then sent me about 89 voice notes of things that.

• 10:53Jessie Ware?

  She's a voice noter.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  She's a voice noter. I'm sorry, my though.

• 10:56Jessie Ware?

  Are you?

• 10:57Speaker 03

  I would have voice noted you, but I didn't know you well enough.

• 10:59Jessie Ware?

  I called you and you didn't pick up.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm very bad at picking up my phone.

• 11:03Jessie Ware?

  You could have voice noted me.

• 11:04Speaker 02

  Jesse, so are you. You never have your phone on.

• 11:07Jessie Ware?

  No, I don't. It's true.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  Why do you never have the phone on?

• 11:10Jessie Ware?

  I just don't have, listen to voicemails even.

• 11:11Speaker 03

  You never listen to voicemails?

• 11:12Jessie Ware?

  I need to put a voicemail on and be like, I don't listen to these. Please don't leave a message. Just text me. I don't.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  Just hang up now.

• 11:18Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. So what did your mum say?

• 11:21Speaker 03

  She said, well, she reminded, because the main memory I have is a fish in the bag. We used to be fish in the bag all the time.

• 11:27Jessie Ware?

  With the like parsley sauce.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, she had the parsley and I had the butter.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  Butter sauce.

• 11:32Speaker 03

  The butter sauce with like boiled potatoes or whatever and some broccoli. But my mum did, which was really funny, she used to make roast dinners all the time.

• 11:42Jessie Ware?

  Like on the weekday?

• 11:43Speaker 03

  On a Wednesday, Wednesday roast. Yeah, because she was like, it's a good, this is from her today. She's like, it's a good hearty meal. You get to eat it and then.

• 11:51Speaker 02

  It's quite easy to cook as well.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  Exactly. You get your meat and your potatoes and then your veg. So I used to have gravy, lots of gravy.

• 11:58Jessie Ware?

  Was she a good cook?

• 11:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's a good cook. I love her roast.

• 12:01Jessie Ware?

  Are you an only child?

• 12:03Speaker 03

  I am an only child. Well, I grew up as an only child, but I have a half brother and half sister.

• 12:08Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  Who grew up in Australia. And actually, my brother is a big foodie. He loves.

• 12:13Jessie Ware?

  Oh, in Australia, the food is incredible.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is.

• 12:16Jessie Ware?

  Have you not been?

• 12:17Speaker 03

  I went when I was 19.

• 12:19Jessie Ware?

  Okay, so you weren't a pre, you weren't, yeah. It's some of the best food. Like they're always ahead of everybody else with how they like doing things. They're really brilliant. You should go there and just eat.

• 12:29Speaker 03

  Just for the food, yeah.

• 12:30Jessie Ware?

  It's so good. The wine and the food is so good. But so.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  Can you cook?

• 12:34Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  Sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got a couple of dishes.

• 12:39Jessie Ware?

  Okay. Gone. What are they?

• 12:40Speaker 03

  Well, I like to make a little salad.

• 12:42Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  I throw bits in, you know, tomatoes, cucumber, all that jazz. And then I make, I love to roast Brussels sprouts. Which is my favourite thing in the world.

• 12:54Jessie Ware?

  How do you roast them?

• 12:55Speaker 03

  Lots of olive oil, salt, and then grate some parmesan, if I've got any parmesan at the end.

• 13:00Jessie Ware?

  Someone's been in LA for a while. You've got, had the roast Brussels sprouts in LA.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  Roast Brussels sprouts, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just think they're the most delicious thing in the world.

• 13:09Jessie Ware?

  Can I suggest something? So we have a cookbook coming out and we've got roasted Brussels sprouts in there and I put grapes in there.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 13:18Jessie Ware?

  Soy sauce. It doesn't matter. Like red, red. But soy sauce, balsamic, roast it up, sweet, salty, bit of hazelnut on top.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  He might prefer just savoury, darling.

• 13:29Jessie Ware?

  Maybe.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  No, but that sounds delicious. Is that, is that a sweet? Does it become sweet or?

• 13:33Jessie Ware?

  Well, no, it's like tangy. It's lovely. It's delicious.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 13:37Jessie Ware?

  So, okay, so you do Brussels sprouts.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  Brussels sprouts. And then I have, I have a group of friends and we call it therapy dinner. So we all go to different, each other's houses, like, kind of like a come dine with me. And I cook the same thing and I just get fish and then whack it in the oven. So I roast the, roast the fish and roast the sprouts and then make the salad and that's it.

• 13:57Jessie Ware?

  And what do you do for pudding?

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Same thing every time. Huh?

• 13:59Jessie Ware?

  What do you do for pudding?

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Well, we either, we go like kid version pudding. So we get like fingers or I bought some M and M hazelnut new chocolate for dessert. We're going for dinner.

• 14:12Jessie Ware?

  M and M's have done hazelnut?

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Hazelnut chocolate. So it's like a chocolate bar. I can show you the picture. I know my phone's over there. Let me get my phone.

• 14:19Jessie Ware?

  What, have you been putting it to the group saying this is, this is what I'm coming with next time?

• 14:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Bring that, bring that to dinner for pudding. Or, you know what we like is a caterpillar cake, a collin.

• 14:31Jessie Ware?

  Oh, the collin. It can't go wrong. Yeah, it's so good.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  The joke is that like my friend's, she's an incredible cook, like beyond incredible. No, she's not. She's a fashion designer, but like even the plates are exquisite. It's like restaurant quality. So then we counter that with a collin.

• 14:46Jessie Ware?

  I'm gonna start, shall I start the food?

• 14:48Speaker 02

  So what, you've just done Emma. When's that coming out?

• 14:51Speaker 03

  Oh, it comes out February 14th.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  So what are you working on now?

• 14:55Speaker 03

  I'm about to start doing Fantastic Beasts again.

• 14:58Jessie Ware?

  And that's the Harry Potter offshoot?

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 15:01Jessie Ware?

  Is that a mean way of saying it?

• 15:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 15:03Jessie Ware?

  No, it is, isn't it? Spin off, not offshoot.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  It's a separate series, but in the same world. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:09Jessie Ware?

  I, see, I've never seen any of the Harry Potter. I kind of have saved them for, for my kids.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  Amazing. Well, that's gonna be a.

• 15:16Jessie Ware?

  But, yeah. Fantastic Beasts, are they actual books as well?

• 15:21Speaker 03

  No, no, no. They're all, they're written by J K Rowling as separate films.

• 15:25Jessie Ware?

  Okay, got it.

• 15:32Jessie Ware?

  So you used to work at Dover Street Market?

• 15:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:35Jessie Ware?

  That must have been fun, being Soho and just kind of.

• 15:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, being 19 in London in like the most exclusive shop in.

• 15:42Jessie Ware?

  Oh my god.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  World, yeah, with like loads of cool people and not really having to do your job.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  It was amazing.

• 15:49Jessie Ware?

  Did you get an allowance for clothes?

• 15:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, they did. They gave, I can't remember how much, like 7.50 a season or whatever.

• 15:56Jessie Ware?

  Well, I mean.

• 15:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, the job was literally like, they were so nice to me there, all the people.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  It was kind of a dream and I made lots of good friends and, you know. It was kind, that's kind of my university, Dover Street Market.

• 16:09Jessie Ware?

  So what was like eating out in Soho? Were you just like, did you, you used to go out after work and was there like a place that you'd frequent?

• 16:17Speaker 03

  No, I had no money. I was going home and I lived in Dulston.

• 16:21Jessie Ware?

  Oh, did you? Whereabouts?

• 16:22Speaker 03

  I lived in the Bova on Hartford Road.

• 16:25Jessie Ware?

  That's why you had no money, babe.

• 16:26Speaker 03

  That's why I had no money because my rent was 7.50. But I picked the furthest place from Chelsea that was still close enough to London, central London for me to get into. Just to escape it for a little bit. And then, yeah, I mean, I literally would work or watch films or replays for like two years. That's all I did. Yeah.

• 16:44Jessie Ware?

  When was this?

• 16:45Speaker 03

  I moved out when I was 19, so, so.

• 16:48Jessie Ware?

  10 years ago.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, then, yeah, for two years. And then I was there for, I was in one of the, one house for about nine months with three boys. And they were so messy. It was mad and I had to get out of there. So I moved four doors down, moved in with three girls and they were like sort of, no, no, no, not at all. It was like moving into a home. Were you messy, Jesse?

• 17:09Jessie Ware?

  I'm messy. Yeah, messy Jesse.

• 17:12Speaker 03

  Messy Jesse. But now you've got the excuse of the kids, so.

• 17:16Jessie Ware?

  Yep.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:17Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. Like, you know what? Like it's a testing time for all of us and.

• 17:21Speaker 03

  Oh, because you're here?

• 17:22Speaker 02

  She's living here.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  So how long have you been here?

• 17:25Jessie Ware?

  Since September.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  At the same time.

• 17:29Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, and we work together now. It's like, can you imagine working with your mum?

• 17:35Speaker 03

  No, sorry.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  She sounds, she sounds quite cool.

• 17:38Speaker 03

  But I don't think she'd want to work with me either.

• 17:40Jessie Ware?

  What does she do?

• 17:41Speaker 02

  Neither did I.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  She just, she just retrained to come with a therapist.

• 17:44Jessie Ware?

  Amazing.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 17:46Jessie Ware?

  Maybe I'll meet her after this.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Before she, I just need to sleep.

• 17:52Speaker 03

  I'll leave the number on the table.

• 18:02Jessie Ware?

  Callum, I'm just helping, I'm serving you. Is that all right?

• 18:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, cool. Thank you so much.

• 18:06Jessie Ware?

  It's, it's.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  I feel rude just sitting here.

• 18:08Jessie Ware?

  No, what are you talking about? Please.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  It's my Englishness, you know?

• 18:13Jessie Ware?

  There you go. And then just use the bread to dip.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  To, yeah. It looks amazing.

• 18:19Jessie Ware?

  Oh, you're sweet.

• 18:20Speaker 03

  It smells incredible.

• 18:21Jessie Ware?

  Now, where are some of your favourite places to eat in London?

• 18:27Speaker 03

  Food was, I like La Familia.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Oh, I do.

• 18:31Speaker 03

  In Chelsea.

• 18:32Jessie Ware?

  That's, that's where we used to go for Hannah's birthday.

• 18:34Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 18:35Jessie Ware?

  And it's like.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  That's a special place.

• 18:36Jessie Ware?

  It's so good. Good day.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  It's Cardi B's favourite restaurant.

• 18:40Speaker 03

  It's Cardi B's favourite restaurant.

• 18:41Jessie Ware?

  It was like in the 90s, mum, I think.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  It's still fabulous.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  It's amazing in there. It's like being in Italy.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's in Chelsea?

• 18:49Speaker 03

  I've actually, I don't think I've ever been on a, on a date there, so.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  You should do it, Callum.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:54Jessie Ware?

  Eat when you're there?

• 18:55Speaker 03

  Uh, well, whatever, fish, spaghetti, you know, normal, whatever's on the menu.

• 19:03Jessie Ware?

  Would you say you're a foodie?

• 19:06Speaker 03

  Uh, I wouldn't say that I'm a foodie, no.

• 19:08Jessie Ware?

  That's okay.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  I like food, obviously, but I'm not like, oh, that's like artisan bread.

• 19:16Jessie Ware?

  No, I'm fair enough. So what have you eaten today?

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Uh, I had, uh, I had porridge for breakfast and I had a Nando's.

• 19:25Jessie Ware?

  Love Nando's.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  Cheeky Nando's at lunch, yeah.

• 19:27Jessie Ware?

  What did you order at Nando's?

• 19:29Speaker 03

  Um, I got the...

• 19:32Jessie Ware?

  If you're a pescatarian?

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got the bean burger.

• 19:35Jessie Ware?

  Did you? Is it any good?

• 19:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's nice. What, you don't like that?

• 19:39Jessie Ware?

  So is this, is this...

• 19:40Speaker 03

  That was a big reaction.

• 19:41Jessie Ware?

  Is the pescatarianism a new thing for this year? Or how long have you been a pescatarian? A flexitarian, as you call it?

• 19:47Speaker 03

  I've been a flexitarian for like, three years now.

• 19:50Jessie Ware?

  Okay, and why?

• 19:51Speaker 03

  Because I watched a couple of documentaries and I just saw like, you know, just to stop eating bad meat. If I go to a nice restaurant and the meat is nice or, uh, um, you know, high quality, then I'll eat it.

• 20:05Jessie Ware?

  So it's only one...

• 20:05Speaker 03

  Or if it's game, or if it's game, you know, like I've got a friend in Bath and she goes to the market and there's a guy who works on a farm or, or, or on an estate and he brings like pheasant to the market or he brings veal or whatever, and you know that that's...

• 20:22Jessie Ware?

  So you want to know where your food's coming from?

• 20:23Speaker 03

  Well...

• 20:24Jessie Ware?

  Which of the documentaries?

• 20:26Speaker 03

  I watched Cowspiracy and I watched What The Health, yeah.

• 20:31Jessie Ware?

  Is that what you've watched, I see?

• 20:32Speaker 03

  You've seen them, yeah?

• 20:33Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  My girlfriend at the time was really pushing the agenda on me and then when I finally watched those, that was it.

• 20:39Jessie Ware?

  I want to know more about your mum because I kind of got a whiff of her with that article. But she was a nightclub promoter before she was a therapist?

• 20:48Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 20:49Jessie Ware?

  So like, how did that work out with like young Callum, your mum and all these amazing characters coming into your...

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, basically. So she, she did, she did the clubs like The Lime Night and Cafe de Paris in the eighties.

• 21:01Jessie Ware?

  Oh, wow.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  With people like Steve Strange and Boy George and, uh, the new romantic movement.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  What was Barracuda Club?

• 21:08Speaker 03

  Barracuda Club.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, Steve Strange was there, wasn't he?

• 21:10Speaker 03

  He did that as well, yeah?

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, with Roy George, with Boy George, not Roy George, Boy George, Boy George.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  Um, I'd love to meet Roy George.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Roy George.

• 21:21Jessie Ware?

  Have you met Boy George?

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I know him as well, yeah. Very lovely man, yeah, and his brother too, Kevin, beautiful people.

• 21:28Jessie Ware?

  Do you want to know what Boy George said to me?

• 21:29Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 21:31Jessie Ware?

  I was doing my V Magazine cover shoot, right? Quite a big deal.

• 21:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, huge.

• 21:35Jessie Ware?

  You know, I'm in New York and doing the shoot. This was like, what, like two thousand and fifteen, so fourteen, fifteen? And somebody goes, excuse me, um, Boy George would love to meet you. And I was like, oh my god, this is fucking cool. So I go over to Boy George, who's also getting the makeup done, his makeup done. I go, hi, um, and he turns around and he goes, oh, you're not Jess Glenn.

• 22:01Jessie Ware?

  I went, no, I'm not. He went, oh, and looked so disappointed.

• 22:05Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 22:06Jessie Ware?

  And I just was like, yeah, I'm so sorry, I'm not Jess Glenn. And he so wanted to tell Jess Glenn that he was a massive fan, that he didn't know who the fuck I was.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  Where was Jess Glenn? Nowhere in Britain.

• 22:15Jessie Ware?

  He just heard that Jess sees something was there.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Not now, George.

• 22:20Jessie Ware?

  Honestly, it was so funny. He looked, he looked so disappointed to see me and he just, he didn't even hide it. He went, oh, you're not Jess Glenn. It was amazing. Does that remind, does that sound like Boy George?

• 22:32Speaker 03

  Sounds like something that he would do, yeah.

• 22:33Jessie Ware?

  I know you would have, but thank god you weren't.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, because you would have knocked him out. Actually, you know, I used to be a boxer, so I wouldn't, I wouldn't start a fight with Boy George. That's what they did when they were younger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:45Jessie Ware?

  Him and his brother?

• 22:46Speaker 03

  But he's got lots of brothers, yeah, a big family.

• 22:49Jessie Ware?

  So I want to know, like, what was it like? How old were you when your mum was being a promoter?

• 22:53Speaker 03

  Uh, she, well, she did it before, uh...

• 22:56Jessie Ware?

  You were born?

• 22:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, before I was born and then did it as I was growing up. Yeah, manifested in lots of ways, like lots of fabulous people coming through the house and living with us. Like Steve Strange lived with us for a few years.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Did he?

• 23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, the guy called Sasha Lilick. He did, yeah, lots, yeah, yeah, yeah. He'd just get everywhere.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Amazing man, um, uh, Uncle Steve, you know, known him all my life. Uh, Sasha Lilick is a stylist, um, does lots of stuff now, lived with us for a few years. Lots of flamboyant people coming through.

• 23:31Jessie Ware?

  And you were living in Chelsea then?

• 23:32Speaker 03

  Lots of, yeah, yeah, yeah. So where we lived, it was kind of like, uh, I lived on the Guinness Trust Estate in the middle of Chelsea, which is kind of like, I don't know, contradiction because...

• 23:42Jessie Ware?

  Where is it? World's End?

• 23:44Speaker 03

  It's next to World's End, so there's Guinness Trust and then there's World's End and then there's Cremona, so there's three estates in a row. But it's interesting growing up in that, in that space and then living in one of the richest parts of the world because my primary school was in the middle of the Boltons, you know, which is where I...

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Oh, I know this school.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  Bowsfield?

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's where I was.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  It's a really good school.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was a good school, yeah, yeah. So, you know, lots of contradictions and then having like this sort of club family, club royalty family, living in the house was, was not a norm on the estate.

• 24:18Jessie Ware?

  So La Familia is one of your like spots, that was kind of like neighbourhood spot. Did you ever go to that place?

• 24:23Speaker 03

  We actually...

• 24:24Jessie Ware?

  What was it?

• 24:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, actually, the Stockpot was...

• 24:26Jessie Ware?

  Love the Stockpot.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  And Picasso?

• 24:29Speaker 03

  No.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  Cafe Bar?

• 24:32Speaker 03

  So, so La Familia, La Familia has been there for a long time, but actually, the first time I walked in there was like three years ago. Because I've always wanted to go and I decided, you know, it can't be that expensive.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Quite cost?

• 24:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:45Jessie Ware?

  And it was quite expensive?

• 24:46Speaker 03

  It was expensive. And I walked straight out. I, um, I, uh, I, I've probably been there about four or five times, yeah, yeah. Uh, but Mona Lisa, you know Mona Lisa?

• 24:56Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  The Chelsea bun?

• 24:58Jessie Ware?

  Oh, Chelsea bun.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  Chelsea bun, which is not there anymore actually.

• 25:01Jessie Ware?

  The Stockpot's not there anymore, is it?

• 25:02Speaker 03

  It's not, no.

• 25:03Jessie Ware?

  That was really good.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  I actually had a funny, uh, interaction with, um, I had an American friend and I was telling her about custard, uh, for days and days and days and I walked into a bookshop and, uh, I said to the guy behind the counter...

• 25:16Jessie Ware?

  Do they not know what custard is?

• 25:17Speaker 03

  No, they don't have custard in America. They have it in Canada, but it's not, it's not, uh...

• 25:22Speaker 02

  That's why Harris had to go to Canada to do it.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, he couldn't go to America. They put a custard. Anyway, I walked in, it was kind of like a Notting Hill-esque bookshop, you know, like the, the Reese Stefan's character. And I was like, mate, where's the best place to get custard around here? I want to try custard. And it sparked off this huge debate between three or four people that lasted ten minutes. And the guys at the end were like, you know what, the Stockpot.

• 25:43Jessie Ware?

  It was bloody, I remember the custard. Was it Spotty Dick?

• 25:46Speaker 03

  It was kind of, it was kind of, uh, apple crumble. It was, it was lumpy custard, but you liked it. It was a school dinner vibe. Yeah, yeah.

• 25:53Jessie Ware?

  So where did you take her for custard?

• 25:55Speaker 03

  Uh, no, I didn't, I failed on my mission to give, to, to, yeah, to try custard. Didn't happen.

• 26:03Jessie Ware?

  Sounds very romantic. I like this story. It sounds like the beginning of a...

• 26:06Speaker 03

  It's not romantic at all. It's just, uh, it's just, uh, shared experiences. Welcome to England. This is what we do here.

• 26:12Jessie Ware?

  Well, just do, you could do the old, um, what's it, um, birds, what's it?

• 26:17Speaker 03

  Bird's eye, well that's...

• 26:18Jessie Ware?

  No, not bird's eye. What's it called? Um, what's the one that you use, Mum?

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Birds?

• 26:21Jessie Ware?

  Birds, yeah. Not bird's eye, it's birds.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  The fish fingers.

• 26:24Jessie Ware?

  Yes, those sides of fish fingers. So, um...

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Last supper.

• 26:28Jessie Ware?

  Last supper.

• 26:29Speaker 03

  Um, I guess...

• 26:31Jessie Ware?

  Starter, main, purd, drink.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  Um, I think roast dinner.

• 26:40Jessie Ware?

  That's your main.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Which one? Chicken, chicken, lamb or beef?

• 26:45Speaker 03

  I'd go lamb.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Pescatarian boy.

• 26:47Speaker 03

  I'd go flex, flexitarian. This is, this is where I really start getting flexible.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  This is where you flex yourself, yeah.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  Uh, I'd go, um...

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Lamb, I love lamb.

• 26:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, some succulent, juicy lamb chops.

• 26:58Jessie Ware?

  What sides? Oh, lamb chops?

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Lamb chops, yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, love lamb chops.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  Love lamb chops.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  My favourite. They're good in Italian restaurants as well.

• 27:06Jessie Ware?

  So, okay, so that's your main.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  But with the potatoes, with like, uh, if it's my last supper, I'd have like cheese, cauliflower cheese.

• 27:13Jessie Ware?

  Oh, this was actually what you made last night, Mum?

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Made it last night, darling.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  On its own?

• 27:18Jessie Ware?

  No, she made lamb with cauliflower cheese. You know what she added to her cauliflower cheese last night? Blue cheese. And it, you thought, you thought it would be too much, but it was, it was salty.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  Bit of a kick?

• 27:28Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, bit of a kick. It was really good.

• 27:30Speaker 03

  I'll have to tell my aunt. My aunt makes like the supreme roast dinner. And it would be her, it would be Marley Tracy's roast dinner.

• 27:37Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 27:38Speaker 03

  Um, can everyone come?

• 27:40Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, of course.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  All right, cool. The whole family'd be there.

• 27:42Speaker 02

  So you're having a starter?

• 27:43Speaker 03

  Uh, you know what, actually, I went to the grocery market the other day. I went to the Rose Bakery at the top.

• 27:49Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  And they had this mushroom soup, this, it was delicious. So I'm going to throw that on there.

• 27:56Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  Um, and for pudding, it's got to be sticky toffee.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Do you know where...

• 28:02Jessie Ware?

  Boys love...

• 28:03Speaker 03

  Custard, yeah.

• 28:04Jessie Ware?

  Or cocktail cream?

• 28:05Speaker 03

  No, with custard. Lots of custard.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Sticky toffee pudding.

• 28:08Jessie Ware?

  We should do it again.

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• 29:45Jessie Ware?

  Do you want some panettone-y bread and butter pudding?

• 29:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, definitely. Is it there?

• 29:50Jessie Ware?

  It's there. It's ready.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  How much do you want, darling?

• 29:53Speaker 03

  That looks amazing.

• 29:55Jessie Ware?

  And then put loads of cream on it.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  Thank you very much.

• 29:57Jessie Ware?

  Guilty pleasure food.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  Guilty pleasure food. You know what I love?

• 30:02Jessie Ware?

  What?

• 30:03Speaker 03

  I don't want my taste buds to come across as too basic, but yum yums.

• 30:08Jessie Ware?

  Nothing wrong with the yum yums.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  Stormzy loves them. Stormzy loves them.

• 30:12Jessie Ware?

  The thing is, Stormzy likes yum yums, but it was more about what he says about yum yums. You don't need to know. He talks about fingering a girl before getting yum yums.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I'm going to faint. It's like Winnie the Pooh. Fucking hell.

• 30:26Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 30:29Jessie Ware?

  You never think about yum yums in so much.

• 30:30Speaker 03

  For the taste.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Good.

• 30:32Jessie Ware?

  Yum yums are great. Greg's is great. Have you tried their vegan sausage roll?

• 30:36Speaker 03

  No.

• 30:36Jessie Ware?

  Where have you been?

• 30:37Speaker 03

  I've been about, but I haven't tried it.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  And their vegan steak pie.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  They do good yum yums too, but the best yum yums are at M&S though.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  There they are.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  69p, 79p for the two small ones.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  And they've got that icing, that wet, that kind of stain icing.

• 30:52Speaker 03

  Don't need the four pack of yum yums.

• 30:53Jessie Ware?

  I don't believe that's much of a guilty pleasure.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Darling, I don't think he eats yum yums.

• 30:56Speaker 03

  What, yum yums?

• 30:58Speaker 02

  So do you train every day?

• 30:59Speaker 03

  No. I've just been on holiday for three weeks.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  And did you eat a lot?

• 31:03Speaker 03

  Actually, we didn't eat that much. We would eat like just three meals a day and no snacks because it was, we were eating this fresh fish and fruit and so you don't eat...

• 31:12Speaker 02

  But you've got, your torso, you've got more area to fill up.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, in Brazil, we were eating, I think it's, what's this? Mocaca. Me and my brother had that every single day for lunch and pretty much dinner.

• 31:27Jessie Ware?

  So you're a creature of habit.

• 31:28Speaker 03

  Delicious. Yeah. I lived in Rome for six weeks. I went to the same restaurant probably 50 times.

• 31:34Jessie Ware?

  What did you order there?

• 31:35Speaker 03

  It was downstairs from my building. And there was a lady there called Jessica who worked there. She was a Dutch lady.

• 31:42Jessie Ware?

  And you fancied her, so that's why you were eating there.

• 31:44Speaker 03

  She was my Rome best friend and I had the same table every single time. And she left it free for me because she knew I was coming.

• 31:51Jessie Ware?

  And what did you eat?

• 31:52Speaker 03

  I would get the octopus with potatoes and then I would have like a spaghetti. So I would mix it up like pesto or I'd have grecia, which is like a Roman carbonara.

• 32:04Jessie Ware?

  Oh, what's different about that?

• 32:06Speaker 03

  It's the type of meat. So I think it's a different part of the pork. Yeah.

• 32:12Jessie Ware?

  Oh, that sounds good.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  Delicious. Next time you go to, it's only Rome too.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Have we had his dessert?

• 32:18Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, sticky toffee.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Sticky toffee, yeah.

• 32:20Jessie Ware?

  So your guilty pleasure is yum yums. I'm disappointed. I felt like you could do. Do you want to know what Michelle Keegan said?

• 32:26Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 32:27Jessie Ware?

  Chardonnay with mayonnaise.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  That's kind of wild. That's a wild combination I was not expecting.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Neither you wouldn't.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't really like chardonnay.

• 32:39Jessie Ware?

  What's...

• 32:40Speaker 03

  I love mayonnaise.

• 32:42Jessie Ware?

  What's your drink of choice?

• 32:43Speaker 03

  Delicious.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  Is it, darling? Good.

• 32:45Jessie Ware?

  What's your drink of choice?

• 32:46Speaker 03

  Well, if I'm going out.

• 32:47Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, out, out.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  If I'm going out, out, yeah, I'll get a Guinness.

• 32:50Jessie Ware?

  Really?

• 32:51Speaker 02

  Really?

• 32:51Jessie Ware?

  That's so not a going out, like...

• 32:53Speaker 03

  I know, but it's the nice drunk because your feet are still on the ground because it's heavy enough, but you're still like doing that.

• 32:59Jessie Ware?

  Callum, thanks so much for coming in.

• 33:01Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 33:02Jessie Ware?

  I'm glad you don't have too far to go.

• 33:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, me too.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  We give everyone a tea towel.

• 33:06Jessie Ware?

  So when you're getting your Brussels sprouts out of the oven next time.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  It's going to be pride of the place. Oh, it's really cool.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:13Speaker 03

  I like it.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Dover Street should have this.

• 33:34Jessie Ware?

  Callum Turner is so lovely. He continues to be lovely when I bump into him in the street or at Glastonbury. He's a lovely bloke and maybe the next Bond, who knows? And we are sorry, Callum, if you got sick after that. I promise you, we didn't know.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  We had two episodes that week.

• 33:50Jessie Ware?

  But can we talk about the fact that Lenny is an absolute trooper?

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Because I got up out of bed. I didn't know what had hit me. I felt really ill.

• 33:57Jessie Ware?

  We didn't know what Covid was.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  You were staying, living with me at the time.

• 34:02Jessie Ware?

  We'll see you next week for more Second Helpings.

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