SYMHC Classics: Princess Who Swallowed a Glass Piano

This 2013 episode covers Princess Alexandra Amelie of Bavaria who was frail and she exhibited unusual behavior. She told her parents that she had swallowed a glass piano as a child, and was afraid that she would shatter. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:49Holly Frey?

  Happy Saturday. Since we mentioned Alexandra of Bavaria, the princess who believed she had swallowed a glass piano on one of this week's episodes, we are bringing our episode on her and on the glass delusion that affected her as today's Saturday classic.

• 3:05Tracy V. Wilson?

  This episode originally came out on April 24, 2013, only a few weeks after we joined the show. Also, I will say I characterize myself as an anxious neurotic person in this, and I will say, after many years of working on this, that is less true than it was in 2013. So enjoy.

• 3:28Holly Frey?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeart Radio.

• 3:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hello and welcome to the podcast. I am Tracy V. Wilson.

• 3:45Holly Frey?

  And I'm Holly Frey.

• 3:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  And today, we're going to talk about a very curious case of a delusion that doesn't really exist anymore. Princess Alexandra Amelie of Bavaria was part of the House of Wittelsbach, which ruled Bavaria for more than 700 years until the early 20th century. She was born on August 26, 1826, and was one of nine children. Most of these were pretty notable royal people, and she has plenty of relatives who were a lot more famous or maybe infamous than she was. One of them that jumps out is her nephew Ludwig II, who was also called Mad King Ludwig. He was known for deeply eccentric behavior and

• 4:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  for a fairy tale castle that he built, and for his suspicious death. So Katie and Sarah did a podcast on all of that back in 2010, and they brought up Alexandra's own dubious claim to fame in that episode, which is her belief that she had swallowed a glass piano.

• 4:44Holly Frey?

  Which is quite something to believe.

• 4:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  It is. And a little context might help us all wrap our heads around this very particular delusion.

• 4:53Holly Frey?

  So for familial background, the princess's father was Ludwig I of Bavaria, and he was known for being a bad poet, a really great patron of the arts, and a notorious womanizer. So he sounds like a lot of fun. He had many affairs, unfortunately, and decorated a room in the palace with portraits of beautiful women. And he also had a large birthmark on his forehead, and that's actually left out of most depictions of him.

• 5:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  Her mother was Theres of Saxa Hildeberghausen, and she married Ludwig on October 12, 1810, and their wedding festival sparked the tradition that has led to today's Oktoberfest.

• 5:34Holly Frey?

  Theres had a hand in ruling the kingdom, and the people were extremely fond of her, especially as she put up with all of Ludwig's affairs.

• 5:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  She got a lot of sympathy from people. Alexandra's father left the throne pretty abruptly. He had started a really public affair with Lola Montez, and she was an Irish woman who was pretending to be a Spanish aristocrat. The people of Munich hated her. She was coarse, and she swore, and she was disrespectful to the queen, who, as we just said, they really loved. And she seemed to have a really big influence on the king's opinions. Meanwhile, the king had given her a title, money, and a home, so she was super unpopular.

• 6:16Holly Frey?

  And in the wake of the affair, Ludwig abdicated the throne, and Alexandra's brother succeeded him. Her brother ruled as Maximilian II from 1848 to 1864.

• 6:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Often, this is portrayed as the king left the throne because of the affair, and that was really just one piece of the puzzle. There were other things going on. There were other revolts going on against the monarchy in other parts of Europe at the time. Plus, Ludwig had a pretty liberal reputation when he ascended to the throne, and people were disappointed that the decisions that he made as king didn't really match up with what they had expected of him when he rose to power. They also didn't really like the decisions that he was making, which they attributed to Lola's influence. So it wasn't just that he had had this scandalous affair going on. There were other things that led him to abdicate.

• 7:07Holly Frey?

  That was just one of the big items that people can easily point to.

• 7:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 7:10Holly Frey?

  And speaking of Lola, a mob burned down her house after the abdication, and she ended up fleeing and running to London.

• 7:19Tracy V. Wilson?

  So all of this happened when Alexandra was about 22. She was the only one of her siblings, apart from one who died in infancy, who never got married, and only one of her siblings hadn't yet gotten married when all of this happened. So Alexandra was still living at home, and she was pretty set apart from the rest of her family at this point.

• 7:39Holly Frey?

  And it was a very public royal family. People, you know, knew all of them. Her siblings were married to royalty in many other houses, and the family was really hit hard by this scandal and abdication. And Alexandra's health and mental illness were already a little bit frail. She wasn't really hardy, and she was super preoccupied with cleanliness, and she would wear only whites. She already had some behaviors that were a little bit obsessive and suggested that she was not quite perfectly balanced.

• 8:11Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right. So just because one thing happened after another thing, it doesn't mean the first thing caused the second thing. But this must have been a really difficult time for somebody who was already pretty isolated and not in good health. And within a year of her father's abdication, when Alexandra was 23, her parents saw her walking sideways, clearly struggling in the palace.

• 8:37Holly Frey?

  And when her parents asked her what was wrong, she told them that when she was a child, she had actually swallowed a grand piano made of glass, and she was consequently frightened that if she bumped into anything, she would shatter, that the piano that she believed she was still carrying inside of her would break apart.

• 8:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yes. So there are two things that are particularly strange in this delusion. And one is that she believed she had swallowed something that was much, much bigger than she was. She believed it to be an entire grand piano. And the other is that she became to believe as an adult that she had already done this when she was a child, and that the piano was still inside of her. It caused her physical distress, and it made it, it made her really, really careful in how she moved around.

• 9:26Holly Frey?

  And roughly a year or so later, in 1850, she was actually treated for this delusion in a mental institution.

• 9:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  It seems like she made some recovery there. In 1852, she started to publish books of stories, essays, poems, and other work, and she also worked in children's theater.

• 9:46Holly Frey?

  Eventually, she went to a convent in Munich, and she spent much of her later life there, and eventually even became an abbess.

• 9:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  Which seems like she, she must have been doing better at this point. You wouldn't quite get into a position of authority if you were having that sort of problem.

• 10:02Holly Frey?

  Yeah. She died at the family's summer palace at the age of 49 on September 21, 1875.

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• 15:08Holly Frey?

  But she is not the only person historically who has had the glass delusion.

• 15:12Tracy V. Wilson?

  No, that's an actual delusion that was sighted pretty often between the Middle Ages and all the way into the early 19th century. It's maybe not something that was super common, but it was prevalent enough that it appears in both medical writing and in literature from the time. Basically, people became convinced that they were either turning into glass or that they were made out of glass, or that they had turned into a glass object, like a flask. This is usually sighted as a urinal, which was just the word that was used for a little glass jar kind of thing, or a lamp. They would be really careful not to get bumped or jostled or come into contact with anything hard,

• 15:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  because people who had this delusion were afraid that they would shatter.

• 15:58Holly Frey?

  And it often came naturally with an extreme preoccupation with protecting themselves and avoiding contact with others.

• 16:07Tracy V. Wilson?

  Some people were even afraid that loud noises would break them.

• 16:11Holly Frey?

  So at that point, they would have to be not touching anyone or be in a quiet place.

• 16:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 16:16Holly Frey?

  Kind of an isolation that probably would propagate the delusion even further.

• 16:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, but a lot of times, people were afraid that their buttocks were glass and that they would shatter if they sat down on anything hard. This whole idea of being breakable and being afraid that you're going to break was also not really new as a delusion. But before the Middle Ages, people thought that they were made of pottery rather than glass. But the core idea was still there of if someone touches me too hard, I will break.

• 16:47Holly Frey?

  And at the time, this delusion was tied to melancholia, and it was generally among people who were very isolated and withdrawn from the company of other people.

• 16:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  And a lot of times, people who had this delusion also had photophobia, and they wanted to stay out of the sun.

• 17:02Holly Frey?

  The first medical report of the condition may have been around 1561, and it was in a treatise by the Dutch physician Lemnus, who described a man who would not sit down because he believed his buttocks were glass.

• 17:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Charles VI of France also allegedly had this condition and believed that his whole body was glass. So he wouldn't let people touch him, and he had special clothing that was reinforced with ribs, made so that he could wear that and then not break.

• 17:31Holly Frey?

  And more than one physician to royalty has described this condition. Alphonse Ponce de Santa Cruz, who was the physician to Philip II of Spain, described it around 1614. And he described it as an unnamed person, in this case, possibly a prince, that thought he was made of glass. And his physician told him to lie in a straw bed so that he wouldn't break. And then the bed was conveniently set ablaze, forcing the prince to move quickly without consequently breaking, and that relieved him of the delusion.

• 18:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Kind of reminds me of cartoons like hitting the person on the head with amnesia, again, to make their amnesia stop. Yes. Andre de Lorrain, who was the chief physician to Henry IV, also described that case in his writings.

• 18:21Holly Frey?

  Louis de Caseneuve, who was the royal physician in France, described a glassmaker who constantly wore a cushion because he believed, again, his buttocks were made of glass. And that doctor allegedly cured him by spanking him. So again, just proving that what the person believed was not the case.

• 18:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right. People also described that they had glass hearts or glass heads or glass chests that had to be protected. And there's one theory that most of the people who described being afraid that they were glass were educated people, and they may have heard of this syndrome in medical writings, and that may have contributed to eventually developing the delusion, obviously based on other tendencies to be afraid and having other mental things going on.

• 19:11Holly Frey?

  Right, so it may have just shaped kind of the way that their delusion developed rather than being a spontaneous thought of their own.

• 19:20Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 19:20Holly Frey?

  And psychological writings at the time attributed many causes to this delusion, including the preoccupation with chastity, purity, and fortune. And glass, we should note, was tied to fortune in folklore and literature because of its fragility.

• 19:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  So fortune may turn on you. As easily as glass may break was kind of the underlying theme there. There were also physiological explanations at the time, including that the people's brains were too dry, and that was tied to melancholia in general.

• 19:52Holly Frey?

  And the glass delusion, as you mentioned a little while ago, also appears a lot in literature. In the 1607 allegorical play, Linguah, most likely by English playwright Thomas Tomkiss, there is a character who believes he has become a glass urinal.

• 20:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  There's also the 1613 short story, The Glass Graduate by Cervantes. His main character, Thomas Rodaja, is obsessed with the idea that he's made of glass. He wouldn't wear restrictive clothing. He would drink water from his hands instead of a cup and sleep in halofs. And he would walk in the middle of the road because he was scared that if he walked by the side that he could be shattered if roof tiles fell on him. In this story, he winds up with this delusion because of an aphrodisiac that has gone horribly wrong.

• 20:40Holly Frey?

  In 1621, in The Anatomy of Melancholy, Robert Burton writes about this delusion under symptoms or signs in the mind, and he ties it to a fear of devil's death and danger.

• 20:52Tracy V. Wilson?

  The 17th century writer Paulo de Medina was a Spanish writer who had a character who was a dandy and believed his bottom was made of glass. And he had to, he had to commit himself to an asylum after cracking it while answering the call of nature. And this, this is sort of my personal note, this, this series of stories about people who believe they are glass and might break, really reminds me of the possibly apocryphal story about the person who does too much LSD and then starts to think that he's a glass of orange juice. If anybody touches him, he's going to spill. Both of these have this same underlying sense of fear and the dangers of taboo behaviors.

• 21:33Holly Frey?

  I had not heard that one until it came up in, in this podcast research.

• 21:37Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 21:38Holly Frey?

  I heard it in high school.

• 21:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  I never heard that.

• 21:40Holly Frey?

  And it's on, it's on Snopes. So other people.

• 21:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  I believe it. I just missed that one.

• 21:44Holly Frey?

  Other people than me have heard it. They, they just have very, they have similarities.

• 21:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 21:50Holly Frey?

  There are commonalities for sure in how they express a sense of this odd fear and, as you said, like the

• 21:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  Taboo behaviors.

• 21:59Holly Frey?

  The dangers of, of not behaving properly.

• 22:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 22:02Holly Frey?

  And there is a lot of modern research on these delusions as well.

• 22:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Well, there, there've been modern writers who have kind of gone through and documented all of the various citations of the glass delusion in medical literature. And in literature, there are other things that, that have been documented that we didn't go over here because then it would just be a list of names and dates and that would be annoying. But the BBC did an audio program called The Glass Piano in 2012. And in it, an actor plays Princess Alexandra and then they interview modern scholars to offer some commentary about this delusion that she experienced and sort of how she might have come to this state.

• 22:41Holly Frey?

  Psychoanalyst Susie Orbach says that it was important Alexandra's piano was specifically a piano and not another glass thing. Piano, of course, means soft. And what she thought she swallowed was huge and fragile, but if she had been able to, she could have used it to make music.

• 22:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  Historian Erin Sullivan talks in the program about doing work into the history of emotions. And she specifically talks about the history of sadness. And Sullivan talks about the connection between melancholy and the glass delusion. A lot of times, the underlying fear was the fear of being vulnerable. So men would be afraid that their body was becoming glass and they would remove themselves from society to protect themselves so that they wouldn't have to have that vulnerability in front of other people. In Sullivan's opinion, Alexandra's delusion may have been an expression of her underlying fragility.

• 23:34Holly Frey?

  And she does, in portraits, seem quite fragile. She casts a, and there is an air about her where she looks delicate.

• 23:40Tracy V. Wilson?

  It's very, she's very pensive. Her portrait was painted for her father's gallery of beauties. And in it, she's really pale. She's dressed all in, in white. As we said earlier, she went through a period where she would only wear white. And she just has a very fragile and pensive air about her. So you and I were talking earlier about how it's, it's not really a far walk to go from being really uncomfortable around people and withdrawing from people and feeling isolated and being afraid of being hurt, to starting to believe that you're made of something that will break if you're hurt.

• 24:16Holly Frey?

  Yeah. I mean, you can see how someone who is isolated, there's nothing to stop that delusion from developing.

• 24:24Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 24:24Holly Frey?

  Everything they're doing on their own is sort of supporting it. Unlike the instances we cited where physicians kind of did like an extreme immersive shock therapy of like,

• 24:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 24:34Holly Frey?

  No, you're not going to break. You're just fine. Uh, you know, not everyone had that. And so the delusion just kind of grows and takes on a life of its own.

• 24:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Becomes very consuming. So that is the story of the princess who swallowed the glass piano. I really empathize with her.

• 24:50Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 24:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 24:51Holly Frey?

  Do you think you've swallowed something?

• 24:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  I do not think I've swallowed. I don't think I've swallowed something glass, but I can, you know, I'm kind of a neurotic, anxious person. I can, I can sort of see if I were living in a, in a palace and my brothers and sisters had all gotten married and gone off to live their own lives in other palaces elsewhere. And I didn't really have anybody to talk to and I was already kind of of a neurotic mindset. I can sort of see.

• 25:16Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 25:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  Getting to that point in the isolated halls of the castle where my father had been forced from the throne to be replaced by my brother.

• 25:25Holly Frey?

  Yeah, it is, as you said, a short walk. I mean, it's easy to see how that happens.

• 25:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  Thanks so much for joining us on this Saturday. If you'd like to send us a note, our email address is [email protected]. And you can subscribe to the show on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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