Behind the Scenes Minis: Problematized

Tracy shares her irritation with word use in a recent government report. There is also discussion of strangers visiting manor houses. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:26Holly Frey?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio.

• 2:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  Hello and happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson. And I'm Holly Frey. This week was our latest installment of Unearthed. Unearthed. This was an unusually cramped writing process for Unearthed because I lost a day of working on it to the 4th of July holiday, observed on July 3rd. And then also left a little early on the 2nd to go on a road trip. And I, as I left, I was like, you're making Tracy, you're making Monday Tracy's life hard. Monday Tracy is gonna struggle, which I did. I was a little tired from the trip, but not too tired.

• 3:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  But the day was a very, very long day and also disrupted by irritating government reports about the Smithsonian.

• 3:31Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 3:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  That I was like, you already have a 12-hour day lined up. There is no time to be reading this 100 and whatever page report.

• 3:38Holly Frey?

  Yeah. Monday Holly is often paying for the sins of Thursday and Friday Holly, so.

• 3:45Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. As I said, I did not read the whole report. But in my skimming through it, just to sort of be like, does this, is this what I think it is? Yes, it is. There were a couple of things that jumped out. One is that the passage that we read from it used the word "problematize."

• 4:03Tracy V. Wilson?

  There's a lot of footnotes. There was a specific footnote for the source of where someone said that they needed to problematize history at the National Museum of American History. I am not confident that whoever prepared this report and whoever is, was mad enough to provoke this being created, I don't think they know what "problematize" means. No.

• 4:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  So "problematize"

• 4:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  and "problematic" have taken on meanings through largely internet discourse that are not the actual meaning of the words. So "problematize" does not mean to come up with a list of ways that something should be on the "your fave is problematic" Tumblr that used to exist. Right. Maybe it still does. "Problematize" means to strip away the conventional ideas about something and approach it as a problem. And that doesn't mean a problem like a negative thing to be solved. It means a problem like a math problem,

• 5:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  a problem to be studied and evaluated and understood. It does not mean come up with a list of ways something is racist. That's not what it means. And "problematic," although people basically use it to mean said something offensive in the past, in this context, that is also not what it means. It is having the attributes of a problem.

• 5:47Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 5:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  Similar, similar thing.

• 5:50Holly Frey?

  I just, I can't help but laugh because I think of the person who's typing this copy out, like, and you know, they're just like, yeah, I'm cooking, man.

• 5:59Tracy V. Wilson?

  So to be even more irritated about this one word "problematize," the footnote for, you know, the museum saying that it needs to problematize history, the citation for that is a lecture that was in the context of public history as a field. It was not a lecture that was given at the Smithsonian. Right. It was a lecture given as, at a university as part of a lecture series. And it was like about public, public history is an actual scholarly and professional field.

• 6:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  The idea of problematizing something in that context should be non-controversial. There was also, as I was just, I was literally scrolling to get through, to get to the, the footnotes to see, okay, what are they referring to here?

• 6:55Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 6:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  And as I scrolled, I saw a, a picture of a sculpture. I've forgotten the name of the person who made the sculpture, but he got name dropped on the show not that long ago. But it is a picture of George Washington as, I think, a Greek god, a sculpture in that depiction. And it, it's accompanied by the text description from the museum and highlighted is the word "perceived," George Washington's perceived strength. The person who made this report is angry that, that they were referencing Washington's perceived strength rather than his actual incontrovertibly demonstrated strength.

• 7:41Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. So anyway.

• 7:43Holly Frey?

  Horatio Greenow is who you're thinking of.

• 7:45Tracy V. Wilson?

  That is exactly, yes, that is exactly who that was. As soon as you said the name, I'm like, yep, that's who it was.

• 7:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  So anyway, that, I just, I don't know if we'll talk about it more on the next Unearthed. I, there was probably be other stuff to talk about by then, but I just, I found it so maddening and so frustrating and so infuriating. And the fact that they put it out on the 4th of July.

• 8:10Holly Frey?

  Well, that's the most patriotic time to release such a report.

• 8:14Tracy V. Wilson?

  Let's celebrate America's 250 by cherry picking and bad faith arguing about stuff to move on to less annoying things. Often, there is an art section in Unearthed. Yeah. And then we didn't have an art section this time.

• 8:32Holly Frey?

  I know. You cheated me out of art and made me talk about toilets twice.

• 8:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  I'm sorry, but I, I gave you the toilets both times.

• 8:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  I had a few things that were, that as I was collating the list of things to talk about, there were five or six things that were under the category of art. And then as I was writing the episode, two things happened. One was I, I had two full episodes of content. They were all there. And then as I was doing a closer examination of the things that I had bookmarked, some of them I was like, okay, this isn't actually a discovery of something. This is like, somebody auctioned something off. Oh, right. And we talked about, we talk about auctions sometimes because something was newly rediscovered and then auctioned. But that was not the case with this.

• 9:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  It was just like, the story was the auction and that was it. There were a couple, there was one thing that was about a search to try to figure out the identity of the, a sitter in a portrait who was black. Oh, yeah. And I couldn't, there did not seem to be sort of a call to action. Like, if you have information about this, here's who to contact. And it was also not something that had any kind of results. I felt like it was a weirdly vague talking around thing.

• 10:00Holly Frey?

  Gotcha.

• 10:01Tracy V. Wilson?

  So ultimately, I wound up with sort of two art things. And neither of them felt like something that could, like, neither of them felt critical to talk about. We did not have some of the incredibly cool things we've talked about as art before, where like, a restoration process reveals previously unknown details, or somebody realizes they have a bunch of Salvador Dali work in their attic or whatever. The dream, the dream. Weird dry spell for art stuff, I guess.

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• 15:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  On my trip to England back in May, we went to Bath and I went to the Bath. I forgot the name of the museum, but it's the, like, the Roman Baths Museum, I think is what it's called. And there were so many cursed tablets in a display there. I was so excited about it. I love cursed tablets.

• 15:32Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 15:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  A random thing. Very silly story. The best flavor. The John Keats Letters. Yeah. I think everything that I read about the John Keats Letters described him as, you know, poet, blah, blah, blah, including such works as "Ode on a Grecian Urn."

• 15:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  When I was in high school, I was on the academic competition team, which some people might call Quiz Bowl.

• 16:03Holly Frey?

  Ours was Scholars Bowl. Yeah.

• 16:05Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. And so I was on the English, the team for English. And the area that we really struggled with was poets, specifically British poets. For whatever reason, it was just like a hole in our education. And so every single time we were asked a question that was about which British poet, blah, blah, blah, we would say John Keats. And if it was which poem, it was "Ode on a Grecian Urn" by John Keats. And one time we got a question that was, it had four answers. It was like, identify these four poems. And so we said "Ode on a Grecian Urn" by John Keats for all four of them, and one of them was right. So we got a point.

• 16:49Holly Frey?

  That's very funny.

• 16:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, I still remember it all these many, many, many years later.

• 16:55Holly Frey?

  I'm so embarrassed by the source of my Keats knowledge.

• 16:58Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Which is that a problem person,

• 17:02Holly Frey?

  who we didn't know was a problem person as much back then.

• 17:05Tracy V. Wilson?

  I think I know what you're going to say.

• 17:07Holly Frey?

  Morrissey.

• 17:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  Okay.

• 17:09Holly Frey?

  Morrissey, you know, sang about. So there's a song called Cemetery Gates. It's somehow sort of fighting about poets. You're very into it when you're 14, but you know, as an adult, I'm like, oh, redonkadoodle. But the, the thing was, it was like, he had Oscar Wilde on his side and Keats and Yates were on the other side. And so I was very like, well, let's learn about these Keats and Yates fellows, so I know what we're up against.

• 17:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  And that's how I learned most of my Keats information. That's so funny.

• 17:40Tracy V. Wilson?

  I learned about a lot more British poets when I got to college. Yeah. So some of, some of the holes were filled in somewhat. Anyway, Holly, did you have anything else that you wanted to talk about from this installment of Unearthed?

• 17:55Holly Frey?

  You know, I'm still back on the listener mail about house tours. Oh, yeah?

• 18:02Holly Frey?

  Because I just think about it and I'm like, it's ghastly.

• 18:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. It's ghastly.

• 18:09Holly Frey?

  But it's, it's, I have to contextualize it, right? Because it's not like people are running to the movies for an afternoon when they're bored. Yeah. Or something else, like, you gotta entertain yourself some way. And if that is à la mode at the time, then that's what you do. Yeah. Let's go knock on people's doors and ask them to let us in and see their stuff.

• 18:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  Well, and a lot of the places that people were touring were the sorts of places where it is an estate and there are tenants who are the historic home. There's a staff of housekeepers and cooks and cleaning staff and that kind of thing. So it's not just like your personal residence where you are responsible for keeping it clean and ready for guests. I am sort of reminded of how Patrick got an award at work a couple of years ago. And the acceptance of this award involved having dinner at the dean's residence of the university where he works. And I didn't really know what to expect, but it became clear over the course of the dinner

• 19:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  that somewhere in the dean's residence, there's a commercial kitchen. Because the food being delivered to our tables was clearly not being trucked across campus.

• 19:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 19:29Tracy V. Wilson?

  Like, it was clearly there. And the ground floor of the dean's residence was clearly a place that was for these kinds of gatherings. Yeah. Formal events and stuff. And so I got kind of in the mental weeds of like, what if you're the dean and you just want a sandwich at three in the morning? Like, is there a regular people kitchen for regular stuff? What is it like to live in this place where the ground floor is a banquet space and, and public restroom? And I imagine that it might be a little like, if you were living in, you know, 18th century England in a manor house,

• 20:13Tracy V. Wilson?

  there might be spaces of the house that are for the family that are not the spaces that are seen by touring guests who are Right. traveling through the countryside of the Lake District or whatever.

• 20:26Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 20:28Tracy V. Wilson?

  And I mean, there are still historic estates,

• 20:31Holly Frey?

  particularly in England, that people can tour and people are still living there. Yeah. So it happens. It's just, it's such a funny concept to me of like, I heard you have good stuff.

• 20:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Let me look at it.

• 20:44Holly Frey?

  Bring it out.

• 20:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 20:47Holly Frey?

  I'd be like, here's my Greedo collection. Here's.

• 20:52Tracy V. Wilson?

  Look at my shoes. I have a lot of fabric. Yeah, every time we're on a meeting call, not recording, because recording, we have backdrops, but whenever we have a meeting call and I can see all of the Greedo around you, I'm always excited and delighted by it.

• 21:11Holly Frey?

  It's a lot. I love Greedo. I love rodents. They're my favorite. I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, I do know why, but it's a long and boring, very Star Warsy nerdy thing. Um, just love them. But that would be funny if people just showed up at my door. But also, we also live in a time now where you don't publish your address.

• 21:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 21:31Holly Frey?

  Like, most people do not, which is also part of, I think, what it is, right? I'm so used to living in that, like, no, concealed privacy, privacy, you can't let anybody know where you live. And this was, again, a very different time where, of course, people knew where you live. I think, too, about Brian's Aunt Beth, who was an amazing woman and very smart and knew a lot of the history of the area where their family lived from like, the 1800s on and still lived there herself. Like, she could tell you who had lived in every house at what, you know, during what years. And it's just, it's a different time when people knew all such things about, oh, of course, that's the, I don't know the last names of people two doors down from me.

• 22:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. It's a different, different context. I need to get over it with my fear of randos

• 22:22Holly Frey?

  coming to the house.

• 22:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yes. Fortunately, you are not a, you do not own a manor in the era of great manor houses.

• 22:31Holly Frey?

  If you come to my house, I'll make you a cocktail. I have, we have taken in strays during snowstorms.

• 22:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, sure.

• 22:39Holly Frey?

  When there's been accidents, because we kind of live at the bottom of a shallow bowl. And sometimes people are stuck out there going, I'm gonna wait for the tow truck.

• 22:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  And I'm like, baby, it's not coming. Come inside. Do you want to come inside? I have all the cognac.

• 22:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Well, I hope whatever is happening on people's weekends, that it's as good as possible. This past weekend, I spent some time in the outdoors, and it was so beautiful and so refreshing. And if that is refreshing to you, I hope you get to do some of that. If you're an inside kid, whatever your inside kid things are, I hope they're great. I hope that everyone is kind to you and that you are kind to others and that everyone is also patient with themselves and with other people. We will be back on Monday with a brand new episode. And of course, tomorrow, we'll have Saturday Classic.

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