Still Counting: Trump vs. The BLUE WAVE: A Midterm Extravaganza

Nate Silver, Clare Malone, and Galen Druke discuss the most competitive Senate races heading into the midterms in this excerpt from their new podcast, Still Counting. To hear the rest, head over to Still Counting and subscribe! New episodes drop every Wednesday evening. You can request a transcript by emailing [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. Include the podcast name, episode title, and air date. Please allow 48 hours for delivery.

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  Hey, stricties. It's Melissa. We wanted to share with you an excerpt from a new series that we are so excited about here at Crooked Media. It's from the folks who brought you the FiveThirtyEight Podcast, and it's called Still Counting. Nate Silver, Claire Malone, and Galen Druck have spent their careers breaking down political data, honing their expertise in the numbers behind the numbers: election results, demographic changes, historical trends, and the polls. And on their new show, Still Counting, they are going to cover even more, from politics to prediction markets to AI and even sports. Yes, sports. You can listen, Justice Kavanaugh. You'll get rigorous analysis, a few hot takes, but no spin or false sense of certainty. Just the numbers and what they tell us about this moment,

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  I think I'm just like, a little bit nervous. That's why I'm

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  No, I know. I know. It feels weird. It feels weird.

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  Welcome to Still Counting. I'm Galen Druck.

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  I'm Claire Malone.

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  And I'm Nate Silver. And we're talking too fast because it's the first episode and we're a little nervous.

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  I also read my name. I was like, I'm Claire Malone.

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  And this is our first official episode. Yes, we did a freed warmer. Yes, we talked to Pod Save America. But this is it, folks. From now on, on Wednesday evening, you're gonna get a Still Counting podcast episode in your feed. And so, for, you know, first, I'll say, this is what we're gonna do on today's podcast. We're gonna do a midterms extravaganza. We're even gonna kind of play a game. We're also gonna talk about sort of the past year-plus in Republican voter sentiment. It's been a pretty topsy-turvy year for the Trump coalition. We're gonna talk about the convention and all that, just the anniversary of Charlie Kirk's death. Before we get into everything that we have to cover today, though, we should say, welcome back, everybody

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  Yeah.

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  to our past listeners. Spread the word.

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  Welcome to, welcome to the new people. Hopefully, if you're, if you, if you have no idea who we are, really, welcome to Still Counting.

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  Well, actually, Claire, who are we?

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  Who are we? Um, I'm Claire Malone, as the script says. We all worked together at a data site called FiveThirtyEight, and I was hired by Nate to be like, the normal magazine reporter.

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  To be normal.

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  To be normal.

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  I was hired by Nate to be normal.

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  I was hired by Nate to be normal, to be like a magazine reporter person. And then, um, my, I'm sort of a traditional reporter. I am a writer at The New Yorker. I cover media and politics there. And I am currently on book leave for the year, actually going back in like, six months. And I'm writing a book about the Maha movement. That's who I am.

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  Nate, who are you?

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  I'm Claire Malone.

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  Yeah. So my trajectory into journalism, if that's what you want to call it, is highly non-traditional. Um, before I ever like, got into journalism, I was an online poker player. I was building baseball models. Basically, 2008 comes along, I'm living in Chicago, this campus hipster, as I thought of him, named Barack Obama, decides to run for president. Um, it was a very exciting time in politics, and also a time when there had been in baseball and in sports, a lot of talk about analytics. This was a kind of Moneyball revolution, so to speak. Um, I was getting a little burned out with the baseball stuff. The poker was not going super well, to be honest. And so, um, started trying to build a forecasting model, first for the Democratic primary in 2008, and then general election. And it

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  just kind of improbably, improbably took off. But yeah, I, you know, I try to look at the world. I sometimes do reporting, but I'm looking at this

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  He's written two books?

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  I've written two. For the books, I do, actually, real reporting.

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  For the books, I do.

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  Which, for the most recent book, involved hanging out in Las Vegas, playing poker for a year.

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  I spent a lot of time in Vegas, yeah.

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  Nate basically lives

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  It was a nice excuse. Silicon Valley, Miami. But like, I don't do a lot of insider gossip with, oh, what's the scoop about the internal polls in New Hampshire? Like, I think that is actually a waste of time. Um, you're being spun a lot of the time. I think the goal of a model, we talked about this on the Pod Save trailer, it's to force yourself to be more rigorous in, in analyzing the news.

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  And explaining how you view the world.

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  And now, and Nate had a, he started FiveThirtyEight, which was at The New York Times, then it moved to ESPN, then they closed it, yada, yada, yada. Now he has a wonderfully

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  Silver Bulletin, which is at natesilver.net. But like, we, look, we got Flippers, our midterms model, we got

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  We're gonna talk about it today.

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  NFL model.

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  Okay, I will do a briefer who am I. I was hired by Nate at FiveThirtyEight.

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  Not, not in the less weirdness initiative, I'll tell you that much.

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  I was hired to be a podcast twink at FiveThirtyEight.

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  We were hired at about the same time.

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  Yes, we were.

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  You came from Wisconsin.

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  I came from, straight from Wisconsin Public Radio, which, at the time, I could not have imagined how good of an education Wisconsin would have given me for what was to come in American politics.

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  My earring just fell off.

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  Things are going incredibly well. Anyway, I stuck around FiveThirtyEight for about a decade, where I did basically a combination of field reporting, analysis, looking at the data, did things like the gerrymandering project. And once FiveThirtyEight shut down, I started GD Politics, which is a podcast that I host on Mondays and Thursdays, talking to a bunch of people who are journalists, authors, sometimes politicians, pollsters, who look at data and try to make sense of it all. And I'm gonna try to take some of that knowledge that I get from all the people I talk to and bring it to folks here as well. But anyway, enough of that, enough throat clearing. Let's dive into what's on hand

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  today. But first, let me just say, dear listeners, and for our YouTube audience, I'm looking straight to camera for this one. Previous listeners, new listeners alike, spread the word. Subscribe on YouTube, wherever you listen to podcasts. Also, rate and review us. Like, I don't know exactly how the algorithm works. That's Nate's job. But apparently

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  It's pernicious.

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  On Apple Podcasts, the more you rate and review us, the higher up we go, and the more people see us, and then we'll maybe get introduced to the podcast. Basically, we're out here trying to rebuild an audience, and it's gonna, it's like a political campaign. It's gonna take all of us.

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  Yes. Okay.

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  See, I would, Claire and I would never do that, right? That's why you're a good hire.

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  We're like, do our, do our dirty work, Galen.

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  The podcast, podcast twonk now. Uh, okay. We are officially post-Labor Day.

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  I almost, we're officially, I almost wore a white suit coat this morning, which, first of all, wouldn't have

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  Claire.

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  Would have popped on that.

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  You're a Conde Nast employee. You must not be wearing white after Labor Day.

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  It's an old school rule.

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  So yes, we are post-Labor Day, which is officially when we stop wearing white, when we go back to school. It is also, historically, when people begin to tune into the election cycle. In our highly polarized and partisan and engaged environment, I think people pay attention a little bit sooner than that. But nonetheless, we are going to use that as an opportunity to dive into the midterms. So right now, Nate, your model, named Flippers, suggests that Democrats have an 83% chance of winning the House, and the Senate forecast is split exactly 50-50. Nate, did you design the forecast that way to build suspense at the start of election season? I'm kidding. So when you first launched

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  Yeah.

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  the Senate favored Democrats.

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  Slightly, slightly.

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  Slightly, not overwhelmingly, but I think it peaked at about 58% less than a month ago, in terms of Democrats' likelihood of taking the Senate. What has happened between then and now?

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  So, a couple of things have happened. Number one, people get really sensitive about like, 50 versus 55 versus 57. It's not a big deal. It's like in an NBA game, it's like, one point being scored, or two points being scored. You take it from Knicks ahead by a point to, um, the Raptors ahead by a point, or whatever else. So when you're near 50-50, small moves affect the probabilities a fair bit. That's getting a little technical. Um, there are a couple of things that have happened. Um, one is that we've started to get more polls among likely voters, and not just registered voters. And that matters because turnout is relatively low in midterms, higher than it used to be. Um, but as our model's been adjusting to those, earlier in the cycle, it felt like there was a bigger,

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  didn't feel like, I guess, I don't know if it has feelings. I guess we use AI, right? Maybe

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  Anthropomorphizing models, Nate.

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  I used to be an anti-anthropomorphizer, and now, now it's just easier to say, oh, the model thinks. Anyway, um, you know, as we've gotten more generic ballot polls among likely voters, they don't show quite as much of an enthusiasm gap. I mean, I'm being too technical.

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  Now I'm just, by the way, as to interject, now I'm just thinking about whether or not you think the model could ever kill you. Per discussions on Twitter about AI.

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  I switched from Claude to, uh, ChatGPT in the middle

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  Because it was trying to kill you.

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  The Claude Opuses were kind of weird, right? They would like, they'd be quite stubborn and lazy.

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  What is a Claude Opus? I don't use, I don't use.

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  We have the full range of AI use here, which is like Nate has at least 12 AI employees. I use AI regularly, but like, don't make it code for me.

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  I've literally spent.

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  You don't use AI.

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  I do not use AI. I don't know what an Opus is.

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  But here's the summary version, right? As we get closer to the election, I think you see like a little bit of a rebound in Republican enthusiasm. It's having a marginal effect on the numbers and some of these kind of less polled races and the generic ballot. Um, look, Trump's approval rating is 38% or so. His disapproval rating is 58, 59%. He's not very popular, but Democrats aren't that popular either. So I think you might be seeing just the slightest bit of, of reversion to the mean. But there's lots of layers in Flipper. There are expert forecasts, you know, is New Hampshire now a state that's in play? How realistically do we take Talarico's? You know, the model says Talarico is a slight favorite in Texas. Do we, do we buy that or not?

• 11:15Speaker 03

  Nate, we're gonna get into actually all of these states. And we're even gonna get into Trump's popularity and his coalition and whatnot. But first we're gonna play a little game. I mean, not first, we're gonna play a little game in order to talk about all of these states.

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  But it's educational.

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  But it's educational, worry not. Uh, a little game, which is we're going to draw the most competitive Senate races out of a hat. And that's most competitive according to the polling averages. And, um, that means that we, we don't know the order that we're gonna talk about them in.

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  It's the state of the race in Gamified.

• 11:49Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly. And I will say, I have a GD Politics hat here, which is only because we don't have.

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  You're a shameless shill.

• 11:54Speaker 03

  Shameless, because I'm a shameless shill. And also because we don't have still counting merch yet, but I hear it's coming. I, I hope it's coming. I think it's coming.

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  I think it's coming.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  You know, we gotta, Nate, you gotta stop advertise. I mean, we all love the Knicks. We live in New York City, but you gotta stop advertising the Knicks for free on this podcast.

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  We're getting Silver Bulletin hats. By the way, I'm happy to advertise the Knicks, you know, as long as Dolan doesn't kick me out of.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Okay. Claire, you are first.

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  Okay.

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  So pick a race out of the hat.

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  Wait, by the way, last night in preparation for talking about all of the Senate races, I think I watched, um, ads for every single Senate candidate or most of them, just to kind of get a flavor. I was like, I wanna see like.

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  And did it make you feel more optimistic or more pessimistic about American politics?

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  Well, I have to say it was quite pessimistic. Like that was after watching like, you know, kind of close to like 40 minutes of just like, you know.

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  Dun dun dun, like.

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  It's, it's, um, well, none of these people have ever been to Washington DC. Uh, it was, it was basically all about like how much beef costs and isn't it terrible? And insurance companies and, and that was both parties. It was like, yeah, it was quite striking how, um, public it was. Anyhow, okay, I picked North Carolina, which is a bad pick. It's definitely a bad pick. Uh, it's a bad pick because, uh, we're pretty sure that the Democrat Roy Cooper is going to win, uh, in his race against Republican Michael Watley. Uh, Roy Cooper, and that, and that win probability according to Flipper, trademark Nate Silver.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  It's pronounced the dolphin, it's like Flipper.

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  Yeah.

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  How did you name it?

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  We've already had a problem with furries and the 538 Politics Podcast brand. We really don't need to give them any fodder.

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  How did you name it, Flipper?

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  Ours are good because like ours are regression or like.

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  All right, I don't even wanna know. Okay, so, but Flipper gives, uh, the Democratic win probability at 86.9 percentage points.

• 13:51Speaker 04

  Let's put it like that. It's, it's not a sure thing that Cooper wins in North Carolina.

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  But it would be embarrassing if he lost.

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  But if he doesn't, Democrats are fucked anyway. That means the polls are probably, probably way off again. They need four seats. By the way, Galen, you're saying, oh, 50 50, is that just a cop out? It's kind of a coincidence because like, we think it's gonna be, and everyone thinks it's gonna be a very Democratic year, but they have to win four seats. Two of which are in quite red states. North Carolina is not a quite red state. It's a slightly red state like we have in your, your handwriting is actually better than that, Galen.

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  This is, this is Saul.

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  This is Saul.

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  This is producer Saul. We're introducing producer Saul, who has in Nate's, uh, reading, pretty good handwriting. And I would agree with that.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  And that's the only job that might survive the AI apocalypse is like good handwriting. It's rare.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  What you were gonna say is that Trump won North Carolina by three points in 2024, which is a slightly red state.

• 14:44Speaker 04

  And Harris only, he only won the whole thing by one and a half point, right? So North Carolina actually moved toward the tipping point. It was one of the few positives out of Kamala Harris's night in November 2024 was that North Carolina actually became more purple. And Cooper's a strong candidate. He's the former governor. If he weren't to win, then it means the polls were off, were off, were way off again.

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  Right.

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  Yeah. I mean, in terms of overall trends to look at, I think an interesting one here is that we've all been talking about the anti-establishment sentiment amongst the electorate this go around. Roy Cooper is like a two-term governor. He has.

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  Good candidate, like well-known in the state.

• 15:26Speaker 03

  But he is, I mean, he's not really the establishment because he's running against the Democratic Party in part. And he's like, you know, I don't belong to anybody. I'm my own man. He's very much been a feature of state politics and not national politics. And so I think.

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  The benefit of being a governor.

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  Suggest that he is a good candidate to run in North Carolina, but he's not running, you know, the Republican Michael Watley is not really a populist outsider who can say the establishment has sort of taken the country in the wrong direction, whatever. He's like the former chair of the Republican Party in North Carolina. So I think whereas maybe being so entrenched in politics could have been a vulnerability, the contours of this race are not gonna let us see that.

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  Great. So takeaway is panic at the disco for Democrats if Roy Cooper loses.

• 16:09Speaker 03

  Nate, next, uh, race that you're picking out of the hat?

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  Second pick. Dig in there.

• 16:17Speaker 04

  Of course, is this Michigan?

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  Michigan. Dun dun dun.

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  Dramatic pick.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  Abdul El Sayed leads by roughly two points in the Silver Bulletin polling average. Does not include, by the way, a new Glenn Gareth poll, I don't think that came out last night after publication deadline that might cut it down to one or one and a half. Look, we've talked a lot about Michigan. If you haven't listened to any of the preview episodes.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  Well, we were on Pod Save, America, talking about the Michigan race.

• 16:45Speaker 04

  The basically of the land is something like this. Michigan is about as purple as it gets. It almost exactly follows the national trend. Um, the national trend this year is around D plus seven, meaning in the average state, if you count up all the votes for all 435 House races, you'd expect Democrats to win by about seven. Michigan therefore is also about a plus seven. The question is, can El Sayed be a quote unquote, bad enough candidate? I'll explain what I mean by that, right? Or Mike Rogers, a quote unquote, good enough candidate to overcome that seven point spread? Um, now the different ways to define bad candidate. When a certain type of election nerd like me means that it just means they're likely to underperform the baseline. Doesn't mean they're a bad person.

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  It doesn't mean that I don't like their ideas.

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  Or, yeah.

• 17:33Speaker 04

  And there's a lot of research that I think people are in some degree of denial about that says in general, more moderate candidates, how you define moderation is complicated, tend to overperform.

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  And moderation, and moderation, we should say, just complicated to define it, can often be affected by gender, race, things like that.

• 17:51Speaker 04

  Absolutely. It's interesting, by the way, that El Sayed is kind of like playing in to this kind of almost like fuckboy image, right? It's like, oh yeah, I like women, I like, you know, it's like, he's not like.

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  I think it's more like he lifts, right? Like that's, that's, he lifts.

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  So he's raised a lot of money. He, um, inspires a lot of young voters. He also turns off a lot of voters. And so, so, but you know, here's the thing, even if you believe, and we do, that moderation, hard to define, probably helps. We also understand that polarization is driving everything. And actually voters are pretty smart, right? Voters might say, I understand that Mike Rogers might come across as moderate, but empirically, he's gonna vote with Trump the large majority of the time. And El Sayed will probably vote with Democrats the large majority of the time. And we're kind of moving into a parliamentary system where the candidates matter less. So, so in a model, you might say, okay, there's like a three or four point penalty here. A seven point cushion is enough to cover it.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  In the polls, there's for now, a little bit more of a penalty. It's closer to a toss-up, maybe El Sayed by one point than plus seven.

• 18:54Speaker 00

  And by the way, in my, in my tour of candidate ads last night, I mean, I actually think the way that El Sayed is kind of trying to present himself to general election voters is. Not moderating on the issues, right? Which is, which is, um, I think, kind of, you know, key for his campaign, right? He's running a real, like, true believers Medicare for all plan in some ways. He's not actually a democratic socialist, but I think he's sort of running the Elizabeth Warren playbook where it's like, I'm a progress. No, hold on, wait. Let me finish my thought, which is like, I'm a progressive, but like, don't worry, I'm not here to tear down capitalism. Like, that was her thing. She, and I, but I think where he is, where you see him trying to quote unquote, moderate is on that perception of him as an extremist, right?

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  So like, he has a lot of stuff about, like, he has the ad with his grandparents. He has the ad about, like, I grew up playing football in Michigan, like, I feel obligated as a Ohioan to say muck fish again, but like, that stuff, um, that stuff.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  Was that one planned? Was that one planned?

• 19:52Speaker 00

  It wasn't, it just came to me, it just came to me. But that's, but that's where he's trying to moderate on is the perception, right? Like, of him as a, as the, like, scary foreigner, right? Which, which, by the way, Mike Rogers is, is playing into by like, saying his, saying like, Abdul Rahman, and, you know, so there's, there's interesting dynamics about what we mean as a moderate candidate there.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll say as somebody who got some blowback from in the comments after we were on.

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  Never read the comments, man.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  America, because I had described Al-Sayed as a below average candidate, more liable to perform below where a quote unquote, generic Democrat is. I was really talking about the numbers and the perception of Al-Sayed as an extreme candidate. And I think, like, people interpreted that all to be about Israel, because that's kind of where a lot of the comments are, sort of, I guess, in the left space online. But I really don't actually think as much as that has been a sort of knockdown, dragout fight for the Democratic Party, what is going to decide this race. I think the most important thing that, like, my takeaway for the Michigan race is that it is a very high profile

• 21:01Speaker 03

  test for progressives, for the activist left. You said he hasn't moderated that much. I will say, on issues like, and I think issues like, defund the police, abolish ICE, Medicare for all, those kinds of things will actually motivate voters more than the Israel question, because those are the, for example, healthcare, safety, cost of goods, corruption, those are the kinds of things that are motivating voters in this election. I mean, I looked through all of the polling and really, like, the Israel Palestine question, as much as it may motivate activists, for the broad sort of base of American voters, it is not ranking up there. It's really, again, inflation, sort of incompetence in

• 21:44Speaker 03

  government and corruption than, well, the economy more broadly.

• 21:48Speaker 00

  Data centers, flock cameras, like, these are local issues that are actually.

• 21:52Speaker 03

  And the war in Iran, like, the war, when you ask people, like, what's very important to you? 50% of voters say the war in Iran, 22% of voters say the Israel Gaza issue. So I think, I just want to say here, that, like, when people, when this battle plays out, sort of, in the general election in Michigan for Senate, I think that the test is going to be, so he has pivoted away from defund the police, he has not pivoted away from abolish ICE, he's pivoted a little on healthcare, where he wrote a book with the, sort of, prologue written by Bernie Sanders about Medicare for all. He said, you know, I don't want to, now he said, I don't want to abolish private insurance, those things can coexist, et cetera. And so I think that this is going to be viewed as a test

• 22:35Speaker 03

  for whether the left can perform in a battleground state ahead of what's going to be also a knockdown, dragout fight in the 2028 Democratic primaries.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  Look at we, we got the most boring and the most controversial in the first two picks.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  He is, he is a former podcaster.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, wait, at Quirky Media, right?

• 22:54Speaker 04

  A recovering podcaster, that, that might be too much to overcome, I think.

• 22:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, wait, this is amazing, because polling groups have asked Americans, what are the most attractive and least attractive traits for a candidate? You know, these kind of strategy groups? Can you guess what one of the least attractive traits for a candidate is?

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  Well, now I know.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  Podcaster.

• 23:15Speaker 00

  We can never run.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  And, well, socialist was also one of them. He said, again, he's, he is not DSA, although he sort of is seen oftentimes with AOC and Bernie Sanders and people who align with the, the.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't think you realize, it's like a sake, you can't pour your own sake.

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  I'll, here, I'll hold it for you.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  Okay, all right, thank you.

• 23:34Speaker 00

  What is that? That's some rich bitch stuff you just said.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Okay, I got Iowa, which is Josh Strick, the Democrat versus Ashley Hinson, currently in the polling.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  That was an excerpt from the first episode of Still Counting. Thanks for listening.

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