Taylor Tomlinson Isn't Settling

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• 1:00Speaker 02

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• 1:34Speaker 05

  By the way, I'm not pro-Taylor, get rid of her work ethic. I think it's awesome. I'm like, we should probably meet in the middle. I probably need to be more like you and maybe you could be a little more like me in the regards of saying yes and no.

• 1:44Speaker 06

  I mean, you do a lot.

• 1:45Speaker 05

  I do plenty, but I'm not on your level. And I want to know, like, where do you think that comes from? What is that about?

• 1:50Speaker 06

  Probably from a place of inherent unworthiness.

• 1:54Speaker 05

  Let's go!

• 1:57Speaker 06

  I've been to therapy.

• 2:03Speaker 05

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• 2:10Speaker 06

  Hello.

• 2:10Speaker 05

  What's up, girl?

• 2:11Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh, it's so crazy to be inside my favorite podcast.

• 2:14Speaker 05

  You're in the SoTrudio.

• 2:16Speaker 06

  So nuts.

• 2:17Speaker 05

  That is too sweet of you.

• 2:19Speaker 06

  It's not sweet, it's true. I really mean it.

• 2:21Speaker 05

  You gotta stop.

• 2:22Speaker 06

  No, because most times I do a podcast and I'll like go listen to a few of the most recent ones to be like, okay, what's like the vibe? And with yours, I was like, I've listened to every single one and some of them twice.

• 2:32Speaker 05

  Who are your faves?

• 2:33Speaker 06

  Who are my faves? I mean, I just listened to Chris Fleming because obviously.

• 2:36Speaker 05

  You have to.

• 2:37Speaker 06

  Chris is like, I watched his special too. And Chris, I mean, it's so like, it's boring to talk about what a genius Chris is because everybody.

• 2:45Speaker 05

  It's all we do.

• 2:45Speaker 06

  It's all we do and everybody knows now and he quite frankly, doesn't need it. But like, God, like every time I watch him, I'm just like, am I terrible at stand up? Like, am I, am I like the least creative, funny person in the world? Like, because that's just, but then I put Chris in like a different category where I go like, okay, well, what he's doing is something else. Like, that's like in a more special place and I'm doing regular stand up.

• 3:10Speaker 05

  It's kind of like when you do like, um, when you do math, you have to take off the best number and the worst number.

• 3:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:17Speaker 05

  It's like that and you just gotta take Chris out of the equation. Then you go, oh, the numbers make a lot more sense when he's not involved.

• 3:24Speaker 05

  Like, I feel like that about my stand up. Like, I'll watch Chris and I'll be like, so he has access to something that I never in a million years will get close to knowing.

• 3:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:31Speaker 05

  And once I take him out of the equation, I go, I'm pretty good at this.

• 3:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. He is so good. And it's so funny, I did a big phone interview for like his vulture. They did like a huge vulture piece on him.

• 3:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:42Speaker 05

  And I talked for like 45 minutes effusively about Chris. I was like, he is like an incredibly principled person. He's so smart, he's so lovely and warm and like, I think he's like a level of brilliant that like most of us could only hope to even come close to. Just waxing, glazing Chris. And then the, I think, I didn't read the whole interview, but I think the one thing they put in there for me was like, Chris doesn't care what parties he gets invited to.

• 4:10Speaker 05

  And I was like, you.

• 4:12Speaker 06

  Like you just like calling, what? Oh, Chris doesn't give a fuck.

• 4:16Speaker 05

  Chris is kind of a bitch, click. Like, I was just, I texted Chris and I was like, hey, just so you know, I gave like really sweet comments. And then I did read a little bit more of the piece and it was Chris being like, every podcaster is a charlatan. And I was like, okay, well.

• 4:30Speaker 06

  Well, that's a big sound going around on TikTok from that episode, right? Is like, there's something waiting for me in the divine for resisting podcasting. Do you know? Oh, you're not on TikTok.

• 4:38Speaker 05

  From our show?

• 4:39Speaker 06

  Yes, from that episode with Chris. It's going viral.

• 4:41Speaker 05

  Oh, people are using it?

• 4:42Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 4:43Speaker 05

  Hey, good job, you guys.

• 4:44Speaker 06

  I forget you're not on TikTok, which is like, I mean, you're kind of my hero in every way.

• 4:50Speaker 05

  Taylor.

• 4:50Speaker 06

  Like, I was a fan of yours and then I met you in person and I was like, fuck, like, God, I told everyone for the following week after I met you at that fundraiser. I was like, Caleb Hearon's like as good as we want him to be. I was like, you guys.

• 5:02Speaker 05

  All the staff shaking their heads, no, solemnly, solemnly, Taylor, you know not what you do.

• 5:06Speaker 06

  Like, when we got coffee in LA afterward, I was like, you guys, Caleb kind of changed my life today. Did you know you could say no?

• 5:15Speaker 05

  Okay, that is true. We did have a really good talk about that.

• 5:17Speaker 06

  Cancel stuff? Like, I really, I left, we hung out for like an hour and I was like, I think I owe Caleb money.

• 5:24Speaker 05

  You do?

• 5:24Speaker 06

  I do. And, and you invoice me.

• 5:26Speaker 05

  I sent an invoice, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 5:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I ignored it because you taught me that. Boundaries.

• 5:31Speaker 05

  No, that's far too sweet. I, we met in person finally because I begged you to come and do my benefit show.

• 5:36Speaker 06

  You didn't have to beg me, no.

• 5:38Speaker 05

  I said, I said, that made it sound like you were saying no. Literally, I sent like a very pathetic, like, I'm a huge fan. Would you please come do this benefit show? And you're like, yeah, of course.

• 5:45Speaker 06

  That is so funny that that was your experience because here's what happened on my end. I was, I was on the road with my sibling Bryn and Sophie Buddle, who, do you know Sophie?

• 5:53Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, we haven't had the chance to meet, but she's very funny.

• 5:55Speaker 06

  She's so funny. And we were on the road, we were in our hotel room and we were like getting ready for the show or something. And your DM came in and I went, oh, Caleb Hearon DM'd me, because I was like such a fan and I waited to open it until the show was over because I didn't know what it was about.

• 6:13Speaker 05

  Oh, I love playing that game.

• 6:14Speaker 06

  And I was like, oh my God, okay, we're gonna open it later. And then I open it and you were just like, hey, it came off so breezy. You were like, hey, if you happen to be available, would love to have you, you know, Kansas City Tennis Union, if you're around, smiley face. And I was like, well, I gotta do that.

• 6:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:29Speaker 06

  Gotta do that in between tour dates.

• 6:30Speaker 05

  I had checked your touring schedule.

• 6:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:32Speaker 05

  And I knew that you had that night like technically free.

• 6:35Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 6:35Speaker 05

  So I was like, hey, if you, if you want us, I wanted to make it sound breezy because I didn't want you to feel like I would think you were some bad person if you didn't use your night off to come do a benefit show. So I was like, if you, if you're available, like I know you're going to Phoenix or whatever. But I try to make it that, you know, it's a benefit show. So I don't ever want people to feel like they have to come and do it.

• 6:54Speaker 06

  And I was like, Caleb knows how powerful he is, that he could get anyone to fly to Kansas City.

• 7:00Speaker 05

  That is not true. I would love that though.

• 7:01Speaker 06

  On a Wednesday night. I think, I think you kind of are.

• 7:04Speaker 05

  I want you to come and stay at my house for a little while.

• 7:06Speaker 06

  I would love to. That was such a nice offer too. You were like, you can stay at my house. Like, and I was like, he doesn't mean that.

• 7:11Speaker 05

  Oh, I mean it.

• 7:12Speaker 06

  So I'm not going to.

• 7:13Speaker 05

  Oh, I mean it.

• 7:14Speaker 06

  Do you really?

• 7:14Speaker 05

  I want you to come stay. You know who is at my house right now?

• 7:16Speaker 06

  Who's at your house?

• 7:17Speaker 05

  My house in Kansas City. I'm obviously not there. There is a lesbian in her dog. There is a gay man in his cat. There is a punk band from LA. And then there is a, a non-binary couple from Chicago passing through and they're all just, I just put them on a group message and I was like, figure it out, you guys.

• 7:35Speaker 06

  That's the reality show I want to watch. You should pitch that and call it Caleb's House.

• 7:38Speaker 05

  I'm gonna set up cameras.

• 7:39Speaker 06

  You're never there.

• 7:40Speaker 05

  No.

• 7:40Speaker 06

  But it's just cameras. It's just you watching the people staying in your house.

• 7:43Speaker 05

  Truly. Panopticon. And then they have to do like, um, what are those, um, confessionals?

• 7:48Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 7:48Speaker 05

  About each other. They don't know each other.

• 7:50Speaker 06

  Cause how many bedrooms is it? It's like 10 bedrooms, right?

• 7:52Speaker 05

  Oh, no, I wouldn't probably say that.

• 7:55Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, sorry. You shouldn't. It's like, it's like three and a half bedrooms, right? You're so down to earth.

• 7:59Speaker 05

  It's a studio, really?

• 8:00Speaker 06

  No, you have no money. You're a man of the people.

• 8:04Speaker 05

  No, it's a, it's a nice place and I'm so glad that people get to stay there, but I don't ever get to be there. So it's turned into this funny like thing where my friend Addie, since she's staying there the longest right now, she's taken over on the message being like, hey guys, here's how you get in. Let me know if you need anything. I can put out some towels.

• 8:18Speaker 06

  That's nice.

• 8:19Speaker 05

  It's just become kind of like a self-running Airbnb where nobody makes money.

• 8:22Speaker 06

  I saw, I saw on Instagram, you did a story where you were like, I want to do like an artist's retreat at my house. I thought that was so cool.

• 8:30Speaker 05

  I really want to. I want to get my frie- my artist friends to come and eventually I'd like to pay people for it, but I want people to come and make their work there because I have this dream for this house that like, but the house is like a hundred something years old and I'm like in the next like however long I have it, I want to like infuse it with like a bunch of creative energy and have people make their stuff there. And like, I'd like to maybe put like a recording studio or something in the basement. So people could like record there.

• 8:57Speaker 06

  That's so cool.

• 8:57Speaker 05

  All for free. I just want people to, I just want the energy in the house of like people making stuff, you know?

• 9:02Speaker 06

  That's so cool.

• 9:03Speaker 05

  I think it'd be neat.

• 9:05Speaker 06

  See, this is what I love about you is every time I hear you talk, I'm just like Caleb's like living life the way you're supposed to.

• 9:10Speaker 05

  Taylor.

• 9:11Speaker 06

  You know, like, sorry, I'm.

• 9:12Speaker 05

  And speaking of, like, speaking of living life the way you're supposed to. Well, you're, you're not going to succeed in making this episode about me, though I know that you would like it. And I entertained it for a second because it's early and I'm kind of like, it's a little cozy to have you be nice to me.

• 9:25Speaker 06

  I do, I am bad at that in interviews. I'm always like, well, what about your childhood? And they're like, I'm a journalist. Like, leave me alone.

• 9:31Speaker 05

  Taylor, literally yesterday, I had an interview, I won't say the publication because then people know who it is and I don't want to make her uncomfortable, but I had an interview with a big outlet for press stuff I have coming up and I, I, because I'm, we're curious people, you and I, and I was like, uh, she was like, oh yeah, you know, English isn't my first language. So I didn't understand something that, and I was like, oh my God, what's your first language? And she was like, uh, no, you're not going to interview me. And I was like.

• 9:55Speaker 06

  She's like, nice fucking try. I know that trick.

• 9:58Speaker 05

  I'm not trying to put it off of me. I just am like, I am curious. And then she gave me 30 minutes after we went off, when we stopped the interview. She was like, all right, ask your questions. And I was like, okay, you're kids. Like, I was like, she gave me time to get into it.

• 10:10Speaker 06

  Okay, good. That's nice. But yeah, it is a deflection tactic as well when you don't want to answer the question they have. So I'm sure that's part of it is they're like, mm.

• 10:17Speaker 05

  I guess it is.

• 10:18Speaker 06

  Don't do that.

• 10:18Speaker 05

  I don't, the funny thing is like, using it as a deflection, like, I've never met a question I didn't want to answer.

• 10:23Speaker 06

  Really? You've never met a question you didn't want to answer?

• 10:26Speaker 05

  I don't, I'm like, what would I, I don't think I can think of a, Chance, can you think of one that I'm like, there, I will say, the only thing we come close to.

• 10:33Speaker 06

  Chance has something.

• 10:33Speaker 05

  What did you think of?

• 10:34Speaker 07

  Just things about like your family, certain things about like.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  There, there's like one to two things about my family that people really push on that I'm like, I have said what I want to say about that situation.

• 10:45Speaker 05

  To me, the, it's not that I won't answer anything. It's like, whatever answer I give is the answer.

• 10:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 10:50Speaker 05

  It's not for you to poke and prod and find more. If I want to give more, I'll give more because I'm an open person. But I think other than that, it's just sometimes when you're doing interviews, like, the 17th question about the same viral bit, it's like, yeah, people know you from, it's like, stop. They, we already have done this.

• 11:08Speaker 06

  Well, every video of you, people are quoting your viral jokes that you've made, like on TikTok, like all the top comments are just things you've said in a way that like, you know, like straight guys in high school used to quote The Office all the time, like it was their joke.

• 11:21Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm that for non-binary teenagers. I'm Step Brothers for they/them teenagers.

• 11:28Speaker 06

  Yeah. The new, the new, that's what she said is, looks like he broke into the bakery and ate all the pie. That's the new, that's what she said.

• 11:38Speaker 05

  God, whatever.

• 11:41Speaker 05

  One thing that you and I have talked a lot about, and as you know, everything is cuttable. We don't have to talk about this if you don't want to. But you work so hard.

• 11:47Speaker 06

  That's so nice.

• 11:48Speaker 05

  You really, and it's, it's a fact. Like, you really do work so hard and say yes to so much.

• 11:54Speaker 06

  It's because I'm not naturally gifted.

• 11:55Speaker 05

  That's not true.

• 11:56Speaker 06

  If I had your personality, I'd be coasting.

• 11:58Speaker 05

  You try, you try to, you try to deflect from my compliment, but it's not working. You have to wake up a little earlier in the morning to get one over on. Me, Taylor. No, it's not true. You are naturally gifted and you're also obsessed with craft, I think, and very, you've put in the work anyway, which is what makes you so good. But, and I know this is making you uncomfortable, but you do work so hard. And I do wonder, like, when are you gonna take your foot off the gas? Do you feel like it's coming up soon?

• 12:22Speaker 06

  I mean, that's the thing is like, before I started hosting After Midnight, I was like, I'm gonna take six months off because I need it. And then that job came up and I took that job and I said, okay, I guess not now. And then I had my special and like, now I'm in a place where, well, I canceled the like, last two months of my tour, but it was because I got really sick. So that didn't really feel like a few months off. And I was like, working on my book and editing my special. So it wasn't like I was doing nothing. But that was a really big deal for me to even take like, a few months off of touring. Like, this is the first time I've been on a plane in a few months, which is like crazy for me. So that felt like a big step in the right direction. And then this year, I don't have any tour dates planned.

• 13:05Speaker 06

  Like, I'll probably go do clubs to work on a new hour because I'm just always doing that because I love doing stand up. But I'm not like, making myself go on a big tour that, you know, I won't feel like I can get out of or anything. So this year is more about, you know, I think, writing. And that being said, I have to put out a book in like, September. So I just, I know, I really, I keep, every year I keep going and next year, nothing. And it doesn't quite ever happen.

• 13:34Speaker 05

  Well, nothing will probably never, yeah, I think nothing will probably never happen, but yeah.

• 13:38Speaker 06

  No, well, maybe I might get canceled.

• 13:39Speaker 05

  You might.

• 13:40Speaker 06

  Maybe on this pod. Who knows?

• 13:42Speaker 05

  We can get there.

• 13:43Speaker 06

  We can get there, right?

• 13:43Speaker 05

  I can get you canceled.

• 13:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 05

  I set, I set out on a plot to get you canceled so that you relax a little bit. And then, and like, in like, four months, when I feel like you've really rested, I retract everything.

• 13:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:52Speaker 05

  I go, I lied about that girl. Bring her back.

• 13:55Speaker 06

  That was actually, we AI'd her face to say all that.

• 13:59Speaker 05

  It's like a really crude, like, your, your lips being moved like paper mache or something.

• 14:03Speaker 06

  I do, I do think about that sometimes though. I go, oh man, what if I say the wrong thing and everyone's mad at me? And then I go, well, you could stop, you know?

• 14:11Speaker 05

  I know, isn't that nice?

• 14:12Speaker 06

  Then you could run away and there'd be a reason.

• 14:14Speaker 05

  Well, that's how, that's how I conquered my fear of death was just starting to go like, it would solve a lot of problems.

• 14:19Speaker 06

  Yes. Oh my God, yes. I think I tried that. I joke like that on stage at Lark where I was like, I, I go, I'm so scared to die, but then I go, but then I'd be dead.

• 14:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:30Speaker 06

  Then I get to be dead.

• 14:32Speaker 05

  Sometimes if I'm doing like a college gig or something and I say something earnest and the, the audience like, is like nodding along or they go like, they go like, mm, or something like that. And it's not a laugh. I like, I feel cagey. Like I'm like, what are you doing to me?

• 14:46Speaker 06

  Well, are you doing a talk or are you doing?

• 14:48Speaker 05

  I do a lot of Q and As at colleges now.

• 14:50Speaker 06

  All Q and A?

• 14:51Speaker 05

  All Q and A.

• 14:51Speaker 06

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 14:52Speaker 05

  An hour of Q and A at colleges. I've been doing a lot of them.

• 14:55Speaker 06

  See, again, that's how you know you have a great personality. Cause when they hire me for colleges, they're like, you better bring material.

• 15:02Speaker 06

  You better be doing hard jokes that you've polished.

• 15:04Speaker 05

  No, they ask me to bring material and I say, no, I'm not doing that. Cause I did a couple of, there was a, like a year there where I would say yes to doing stand up at colleges. And then it's horrible.

• 15:14Speaker 06

  I did a lot of colleges.

• 15:15Speaker 05

  It's horrible. They'll put you in a room with 200 feet ceilings. Uh, the lights are, they're, it's lit for like a cafeteria setting.

• 15:22Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 15:23Speaker 05

  The students are somehow sitting at round tables. It's set for 3,000. It's on the night of finals.

• 15:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 15:30Speaker 05

  So 20 kids come in sweatpants. They're, they're all getting extra credit to be there.

• 15:34Speaker 06

  It's free. They came for free pizza.

• 15:36Speaker 05

  They want the pizza. Like I, I just, I did it and I was like, never again. And now when they ask, I've turned down a lot of them because they're like, it has to be stand up. And I'm like, then no.

• 15:44Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 15:45Speaker 05

  I'm not, I can't do it. Cause it, it was, it was soul destroying.

• 15:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 15:48Speaker 05

  I was like, I can't.

• 15:49Speaker 06

  I mean, that's how I started doing stand up full time is I was doing colleges when I was like 21. I was doing a lot of colleges.

• 15:56Speaker 05

  At 21.

• 15:56Speaker 06

  Which was so stupid. I was their age.

• 15:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:59Speaker 06

  And I, and nobody was there on purpose. I mean, we were like tricking kids into a show. Like we were genuinely in the cafeteria while people were eating. And then they'd be like, and a comedian's here. And everyone's like, what? Like? Who? Like, it was so weird, but it was a lot of like, it's a lot of crowd work. Like, at that point, because no one's listening. Or I would like show up thinking I was supposed to do stand up. And they were like, you're gonna host our Greek life talent show.

• 16:26Speaker 05

  No.

• 16:26Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah. Which was mostly just me going out when there were technical difficulties or someone needed to like, do a costume change.

• 16:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:33Speaker 06

  And they'd like, send me out there and everyone was screaming and yelling and like, not listening. And I remember I went back between acts at one point and I go, you guys, I don't think they, I mean, they're not really listening. And the girl goes, well, if you do jokes, they'll listen. And I went, okay. And I went out the next time and I tried to start a joke and they just started chanting for the next guy who was coming on. So I'm like, anyway, so it's kind of weird when you're dating. And they're like, Manny, Manny, Manny. And I was like, I am gonna leave. And when they paid me for the gig, the people who paid me were like, we're really sorry. So they knew.

• 17:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, they were like, they're like, hey, I'm so sorry we put you through that. Here's your $700.

• 17:13Speaker 06

  Yeah. And I was like, it's totally fine. In five years on The Tonight Show backstage, they're gonna ask me, what was the worst time I bombed? And I now have an answer.

• 17:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 17:20Speaker 06

  So thank you.

• 17:20Speaker 05

  Don't worry, you gave me a Tonight Show story.

• 17:21Speaker 06

  Don't worry about it.

• 17:22Speaker 05

  That is so fucking funny, dude.

• 17:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's not great.

• 17:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't, I don't know how you do all the stuff you're doing. And I do, I'm trying to get you to settle down. That's my big goal.

• 17:32Speaker 06

  I know. Last, when we hung out, you were very much like, well, why, why don't you just stop? Like, why don't you just take a minute? And I'm like, you can do that? You're like, I just went to Europe for like, three weeks by myself. And I was like, what? Like, that's what's so frustrating is because you say stuff and it just sounds so like, it makes so much sense and you make it sound so easy. But then I go back to my life and it's like, it's like you've been in space floating. And then you land back on earth and you're like, oh, right, gravity. But I've been floating around with you where you're like, say no, cancel. Who cares? And then I'm back on the ground, just like, oh, my God, I'm so heavy again. Like, I'm just like, just weighed down by all these, of these commitments I've made.

• 18:13Speaker 05

  What do you think, what do you think the fear of saying no? Or like, you're, I mean, you do just have an objectively, uh, you have an Objectively insane work ethic that I don't, by the way, I'm not, I'm not pro Taylor. Get rid of her work ethic. I think it's awesome. I'm like, we should probably meet in the middle. I probably need to be more like you and maybe you could be a little more like me in the, in the regards of saying yes and no.

• 18:34Speaker 06

  I mean, you do a lot.

• 18:35Speaker 05

  I do plenty, but I'm not on your level. And I want to know, like, what do you, where do you think that comes from? What is that about?

• 18:40Speaker 06

  Um, probably from a place of inherent unworthiness.

• 18:43Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 18:46Speaker 06

  I've been to therapy.

• 18:50Speaker 05

  Who out there feel unworthy?

• 18:53Speaker 05

  Jump, jump, get up, get up, get up, get up. If you're feeling unworthy, make some noise.

• 19:01Speaker 06

  No, I think there's probably a deep, deep fear that I am probably not talented or special enough to get by on who I am as a person. So I need to at least be someone that everybody agrees like, well, she's trying really hard, you know, like we respect the fact that she's working really hard. So it's okay that we don't think she's that talented or something like that.

• 19:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. We, I, we need to find a medicine that will take this feeling from undeserving people like you and give it to the people who need to feel that way.

• 19:38Speaker 06

  Right.

• 19:38Speaker 05

  Cause this is the imbalance.

• 19:39Speaker 06

  Sort of an unworthiness transfusion.

• 19:41Speaker 05

  Yes, an unworthiness transfusion from the worthy yourself to, this is the imbalance in our society is that a bunch of people like you who should not ever even have that feeling cross their mind. The scent of that feeling shouldn't even waft in your direction. And then the people who are the absolute worst among us are literally waking up in the morning and being like, I'm the fucking best.

• 20:01Speaker 06

  I know. And that's what keeps you away from feeling worthy because you go, well, the second I feel worthy, I'm one of those people.

• 20:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:09Speaker 06

  Who doesn't know. And everyone's walking around going, this piece of shit.

• 20:12Speaker 05

  I think you've, yeah, I think you've paid your penance though, towards that idea. Like, I feel like at a certain point, you go like, all right, I think I did enough years of doubting my worthiness and stuff that right now I can go, now I can go self-obsessed mode and I think it'll all even out.

• 20:28Speaker 06

  Self-obsessed mode?

• 20:29Speaker 05

  Let's go self-obsessed.

• 20:29Speaker 06

  Do you think you, you're a self-obsessed mode?

• 20:32Speaker 05

  Um, am I self-obsessed?

• 20:34Speaker 06

  Who's self-obsessed mode? Who's doing it right?

• 20:37Speaker 05

  Doing it right? Well, self-obsessed is probably not the right word is the issue.

• 20:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 20:41Speaker 05

  Like, I probably didn't use the right term for that, but I actually would support you being self-obsessed for a little bit.

• 20:46Speaker 06

  I think that people go delusional.

• 20:49Speaker 05

  Well, no, but it's not delusional because I want you to be obsessed with the things about yourself that are just true and present and great. And so I don't need you to be delusional. I would give delusion to my untalented friends. I don't need you to have delusion.

• 21:01Speaker 06

  Well, you know what the problem is? I can see myself from every angle and some of them are bad. So that's, I mean, I think when you're somebody who's like, I think sees yourself correctly. I mean, it's the same thing with like dating, like you're not the right person for every single person you're going to go out with. But for someone, you're perfect or their soulmate, you're their dream. But for somebody else, you're like a nightmare and just a bouquet of red flags. So that's kind of where I'm always operating from is a place of like, okay, well, you're really great, but you also suck a lot. And it just depends on who's interacting with you and everyone's opinion of you is correct, probably to some degree,

• 21:44Speaker 06

  which is exhausting to feel that way. Cause I really, also, when I figured out that I needed mood stabilizers, it was like, oh, all the times that I felt great about myself, I was hypomanic. So that really fucked with me for a little while where I was like, oh, shit, like, was that like not real or something? But now I miss it. Now I'm like, oh, man, I could use a little hypomania.

• 22:06Speaker 05

  Missing my mania.

• 22:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm missing it a little bit.

• 22:07Speaker 05

  Bring back my mania.

• 22:08Speaker 06

  I know. Cause I really, that was self obsessed mode. I was like, it's all happening for me. And look, I have four specials on Netflix, so it did not work.

• 22:16Speaker 05

  I'm saying, bring back the mania.

• 22:18Speaker 06

  I know, I know.

• 22:19Speaker 05

  No, don't bring back the mania. Not actually. No, I, I think.

• 22:22Speaker 06

  The closest I've gotten recently is a Sudafed PE and I was like, whoa.

• 22:26Speaker 05

  I want to see you on the Sudafed.

• 22:27Speaker 06

  It was great. I felt great.

• 22:29Speaker 05

  I want to be with you off the Sudafed. It was off the Sudafed. Get her out. Get her outside. We need to get her to the karaoke bar now.

• 22:34Speaker 06

  I'm one of the greats. And they're like, what happened? I'm like, I took two.

• 22:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, Taylor's cool, except when she gets on Sudafed, she gets really cocky. It's interesting the thing you say about everyone's, uh, everyone has an opinion about me and they're right.

• 22:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 22:49Speaker 05

  I operate, I think, from, uh, the opposite of like, everyone has an opinion about me and either they're wrong or it doesn't matter. Like, I'm like, I know everyone has an opinion about me and I think, I think mostly I go with they're wrong, just because I'm like, they don't know, like, most people don't know me.

• 23:06Speaker 06

  Right.

• 23:06Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? Like, most people that have an opinion about me don't actually know me, regardless of what they think they know. And so when it's positive or negative, I go, if it's, if it's positive, I go, that's sweet, but you can't really know. And if it's negative, I go, well, you're fucked in the head and you also don't really know. You know what I mean? And I think that is a diff, that's a difference that I'm noticing.

• 23:25Speaker 06

  But it's similar in that I give everybody credit for their opinion and I go, everybody's right. And you go, everybody's wrong. Like, I accept not the super positive or the super negative.

• 23:36Speaker 05

  That's, that's what I'm saying is I think that's interesting is that neither of us is taking that in.

• 23:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 23:41Speaker 05

  I'm also not really internalizing the praise. My self-worth comes from my own praise, but I don't, I try not to engage.

• 23:48Speaker 06

  How do you do that?

• 23:49Speaker 05

  I just like myself.

• 23:50Speaker 06

  And I'm not turning shit around. I'm asking for me.

• 23:52Speaker 05

  I like myself. I don't know. I just, it's fun. I go, I talk to myself and I go, you're all right.

• 24:00Speaker 06

  That's how you talk to yourself?

• 24:01Speaker 05

  I go, well, sometimes it's bad, but most of the time, I genuinely, most of the time, I go, I go, hey, you need to work on that and that's okay. You're good at working on things. You're good. Or you go, I go like, I noticed a problem in myself and I go, ooh, we should work on that, but it's not as big as a lot of people's problems. Don't stress out too much about it. You're good. And then I do work on stuff, but you know what I'm saying? It's, I just try to frame everything as positively as I can. When I was younger, I definitely did not. And I just think I, yeah, I just kind of, I tried to get to a place where I'm just like, it's okay. You're good.

• 24:29Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 24:30Speaker 05

  I talk to myself, I talk to myself really gently now, these days.

• 24:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, you're like gentle parenting yourself. That's beautiful.

• 24:35Speaker 05

  It's embarrassing. If you heard the way I talk out loud to myself alone in my apartment.

• 24:39Speaker 06

  You're out loud talking to yourself?

• 24:40Speaker 05

  Oh my God, it's humiliating, Taylor.

• 24:42Speaker 06

  No, that's good. You're supposed to do that.

• 24:45Speaker 05

  If anyone ever heard this, my neighbors might actually know how sick I am. Like, I am, I will walk around my apartment and be like, this place is a mess. That's okay.

• 24:58Speaker 06

  That's like the jinx shit.

• 25:02Speaker 05

  Like, hey, sometimes we have messy apartments, buddy. I'm literally, I call myself buddy. Hey buddy, sometimes the apartment's messy. We'll just clean it up.

• 25:08Speaker 06

  That's so nice.

• 25:09Speaker 05

  Shit like that, crazy.

• 25:10Speaker 06

  Oh, the only time I speak out loud alone is, and I've just started doing this and it does weirdly help, is when I'm, I get really depressed, I just go out loud. I'm really sad.

• 25:24Speaker 05

  Who out there feeling really sad?

• 25:26Speaker 06

  I thought that was gonna hit differently in this room. I thought everyone was gonna go, good job. But no, that was not a joke at all.

• 25:33Speaker 05

  No, it's sweet in a way, but you just say, I'm really sad out loud.

• 25:36Speaker 06

  I'm really sad.

• 25:37Speaker 05

  What does it do for you?

• 25:38Speaker 06

  You know, I think because when I was younger, I, I was, every time I got depressed, I would get mad at myself because it meant that I wasn't doing enough. I was like, well, you should have run more today, or you should have eaten more spinach, or you should have lifted weights this morning. You should have gotten up earlier. You should have been outside. You like, I go through the laundry list of like, all the things I didn't do. Cause when I was a kid, it was like, oh, if you're depressed, you're not praying hard enough, you're not working out, you're not eating right. And so that was where my brain usually went. And now, being older and being like, sometimes you're gonna be sad. A lot of the time, you're gonna be sad. And it's fine.

• 26:18Speaker 06

  And acknowledging it and sitting with it is like, that's the growth for me. Is I just go, okay, I'm really sad right now. And I guess that's sort of my way of saying, and it's okay. You're okay, buddy.

• 26:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:31Speaker 05

  I think that's totally lovely. And I think I, I do the same thing. When I have a bad day, where I'm like feeling so negative, sad, or upset, or whatever, I will, when I find my, when I catch myself in it, I will be like, is today a wash? Or can we fix this? And the answer is sometimes we can fix this. And I go, no, you need to take a shower, go on a walk, come home, put on some clean clothes, read a book, do your laundry. Like, there are days when I'm like, you can fix this and you need to. And then there are days where I'm like, it's a wash. Today, we're gonna feel bad. Today, we're feeling bad. Today, you can do whatever you want. You can, you can cancel. Plans, you can get totally stoned, you can do whatever the fuck you want. Today's a wash, but then tomorrow we gotta get back to it.

• 27:11Speaker 06

  That's really nice. Yeah, that's something that I've tried to get better about. Not so much with like depression, but I'm better about that with my health now because I'm like, okay, if you get sick, you need to like shut it all down. Because otherwise you're not going to get better and you can't really do that to yourself anymore. We did that for years and years and years and I think you've run out of grace.

• 27:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:30Speaker 06

  Physically.

• 27:31Speaker 05

  I feel that too.

• 27:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's that, it's that starting out and like busting your ass to make a career thing where you're just like, whatever it takes, I'll sleep three hours a night. And then you get to a place where you're like, hey, this has got to stop probably.

• 27:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, where I'm like, oh, I can't take red eyes every week anymore. Cause for years you just do that on the road. You're like, well, that's the cheapest flight. And I'm trying to save as much money as I can when I'm on the road. And then I realized you're on the road four or five days a week. That's most of your life. You need to spend a little bit of that money on a hotel that's safe and a flight that's not at four in the morning.

• 28:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:05Speaker 06

  Like that was a big difference for me and has made a big difference as far as like my quality of life and just prioritizing sleep as well. Cause like the fact that I wasn't sleeping was most of the reason I was so unwell, mentally and physically for so much of my twenties.

• 28:18Speaker 05

  Of course, it's like the most important thing we can do.

• 28:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:21Speaker 05

  It's like sleeping and drinking water, they have to happen.

• 28:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, which is why when you do press in, in New York and you're like on West Coast time and they're like, no one should ever put a comedian on live TV on 120 minutes of sleep.

• 28:34Speaker 05

  No.

• 28:34Speaker 06

  Like first thing in the morning and I'm always like, what am I doing here? Like this is crazy and it fucks me up for a few days. And it's just like, yeah, it's just kind of not worth it anymore to not sleep for a night, you know? So, but I do say no to a lot more than I used to. And that was what was kind of fun about getting your DM about the fundraiser. It was the first time in a long time that something had come in where I went, well, I'm doing that. Like no matter what, like I'll have to go do that for sure. Cause I don't really have that anymore. When you're younger, coming up in comedy, like every opportunity is, well, I have to do that. Like I just have to make it work. I have to do that.

• 29:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:10Speaker 06

  And it was nice to feel that feeling on like a personal level where I was like, well, I have to go do that. I have to go meet. Caleb.

• 29:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, and we had a good time.

• 29:18Speaker 06

  We had a great time. It was it was really like an amazing, beautiful, inspiring night. Like, I was really happy to be a part of it.

• 29:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, you you came, you killed, you made a very, very kind donation to the 10.

• 29:30Speaker 06

  I did not kill. I will say that. I bombed kind of hard.

• 29:34Speaker 05

  My show?

• 29:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:36Speaker 05

  Girl, we are gonna have to do something.

• 29:37Speaker 06

  We did. I had a rough set.

• 29:39Speaker 05

  You and reality are in a fight. You and reality are in a fight to the death, and at the moment, you're winning somehow.

• 29:45Speaker 06

  Well, you know what's so funny is I had to follow you, which I was like, okay, this is not gonna go great. And then I went out, and I don't know why I thought this would be funny, but I went out and you had been talking about Devil Wears Prada 2. And I said, thinking everyone would know it was a joke, I went so crazy, I'm also in the Devil Wears Prada 2. But then people just clapped.

• 30:04Speaker 06

  Because I forgot I'm successful now.

• 30:06Speaker 05

  Sounds good.

• 30:07Speaker 06

  And I thought everyone would be like, ha, ha, ha. They would never put you in that. But no, everyone just clapped, and then I had to go, oh, no, I'm so sorry. I was just nervous about following Caleb. And then everyone was like, what? So that was.

• 30:17Speaker 05

  We were proud of you?

• 30:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. It felt like missing a step on the stairs to like, start to start the set off.

• 30:22Speaker 05

  You in the battle against reality. The idea that you bombed at this show is crazy.

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• 33:49Speaker 05

  What is going on with dating?

• 33:50Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh.

• 33:51Speaker 05

  I want to get the update.

• 33:52Speaker 06

  I want to hear about yours too. And this is not deflecting. It's not deflecting. It's not deflecting. Because I also, I'm just, this is me just treating you like a life coach for an hour, quite frankly, because we, we talked a little bit about it at coffee. And again, you were just like, well, just do this. And I'm like, I can't just do this. Like, that's insane. I am, that is one thing that I, this year, I'm like, you need to take some serious time off from touring so that you can date. Because when I was hosting a show three days a week and then on the road four days a week, and I'm like, why can't I meet anybody? Always on stage under lights. And there's no one up there.

• 34:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:31Speaker 06

  So, like, and I, part of me, when I took the after midnight job, I was like, maybe I'll meet someone on set and I don't have to stop working. And I can kind of double up. And then it was just like the nicest, most platonic set you've ever seen in your life. Everyone's like, wonderful, lovely friends. I think our PAs started dating and I was like, fuck, like, god damn it.

• 34:51Speaker 05

  Like, I wanted to fuck the PAs. God damn it.

• 34:54Speaker 06

  No, I was like, so someone found love here. I'm just making sure someone.

• 34:58Speaker 05

  Everyone's fucking each other and no one's fucking me.

• 35:02Speaker 05

  Just kidding.

• 35:03Speaker 06

  Well, I actually didn't think you were allowed to date people at work. And then I had HR, I have a joke about it in the special, but I had HR training and they were like, no, you can if you tell us. And I was like, every show I've ever seen is like, the big issue is like, we can't date because we work together.

• 35:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:17Speaker 06

  And that's just fiction?

• 35:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:19Speaker 06

  It's crazy.

• 35:19Speaker 05

  Well, and the funny thing is, HR, the policy is just like, well, HR gets to know about it.

• 35:24Speaker 06

  Exactly. It's like, if you tell us.

• 35:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, as long as you let us know, like, how did it go? Like, how is it? Yeah, you guys can do it as long as you fill us in, girl. What are you looking for? What are you looking for? Tell me now. You know, I, there are probably 10, anywhere between 10 to 100 people that listen to this show, and some of them might be eligible for you. What, what are you looking for? Maybe they'll find you.

• 35:49Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh. You know what? I mean, what's really devastating that I've realized recently is I, I do unfortunately think I want someone funny.

• 35:58Speaker 05

  Taylor, I know.

• 36:00Speaker 06

  Doesn't that suck?

• 36:01Speaker 05

  Doesn't that make you sick?

• 36:02Speaker 06

  It makes me sick.

• 36:03Speaker 05

  Cause now it just got more impossible.

• 36:05Speaker 06

  It got so hard. Like I have a friend who wants to date like a millionaire and I'm like, that is easier to do, I think, than finding someone really funny. There's more of them.

• 36:13Speaker 05

  There's more millionaires than funny people.

• 36:15Speaker 06

  There really is.

• 36:16Speaker 05

  Genuinely funny people? No, I'm sick to hear this from you because same.

• 36:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, cause for years, I don't know if you do this, but for years I would kind of go back and forth because I would like date a comedian and then it would fall apart and I would go, well, I can't date comedians and then I would date a, a, a normal person and then I would go, that doesn't work either. And so then I'd go back to like someone in this business or a comedian. And so I'd kind of flip flop, but the last couple of people I've dated have been more like normal people and I have, and they were great and, but I still like, I don't know. I just am like, when did I stop thinking I was worthy of that requirement, I guess? Cause I just, when I was younger, I was like, that's number one. They have to be funny.

• 37:02Speaker 06

  And then I got older and I was like, that's a big ask, I guess. And everyone around us is funny. Like all our friends are so funny. So you go, okay, well, you don't get everything from your partner, but I can get funny from all my friends. And then you're like, but the person I'm going to hang out with forever the most is not funny? I don't know. Cause there's lots of people who can hang. There's like a lot of people who have good senses of humor and will laugh and can like, you know, banter a little bit, but there's a difference between banter and being funny.

• 37:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:31Speaker 06

  It's tough.

• 37:31Speaker 05

  I need someone funny and I'm realizing it and it's making me sick.

• 37:34Speaker 06

  It's so hard.

• 37:35Speaker 05

  Cause now I'm going on dates with these gay men and boy, some things I used to let slide are not working anymore.

• 37:40Speaker 06

  Really? Like what?

• 37:41Speaker 05

  You know, a lot of gay guys, I love gay guys. Okay? Gay guys are like a totally foundational part of my chosen, like my found family, my community. I would do anything for gay guys. Gay guys, I love you. That having been said. A lot of times I'll go on dates with these gay guys and look, we have a problem. Something happened when we got accepted. Maybe it was the legalization of gay marriage. I don't want them to get rid of it, but something happened where a lot of gay guys lost their touch. And now there are a sizable amount of gay guys who think that quoting Real Housewives and Drag Race exclusively is them being funny. And that is of course not true. And yeah, it's not funny really at all.

• 38:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:23Speaker 05

  And so I'm going on these dates and I'm going, God, he's cute. He's got a good job. He has, seems to have a lot of friends and love in his life, like all these green flags. And then the only time he really says something, even in the cadence of a joke, is him repeating something that some horrible woman said on TV.

• 38:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:39Speaker 05

  And I just can't deal with it. I'm sorry, those women are horrible. And I just can't deal with it. And so I have come to a place where I'm like, no, I think I actually, I'm gonna need to find someone who has a sense of humor.

• 38:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, I know.

• 38:52Speaker 05

  Like an actual, like an actual point of view.

• 38:54Speaker 06

  No, but I, I look around at who's a good example. Oh, I have a great example. So like my friend, Kelsey Cook, one of my best friends, I don't know if you know her, she's so funny. She is engaged to Chad Daniels, who is also an incredible comedian. And that's really fucked my shit up the last few years.

• 39:11Speaker 05

  They shouldn't do that.

• 39:11Speaker 06

  Yes, because I was like, it's fine. And by the way, her ex was also a comedian. So she's just been dating, she's been in long-term relationships with really funny guys. And I'm like, fuck me, man. Like, I thought we were all gonna settle. I thought we were all just gonna find people who thought we were great.

• 39:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:29Speaker 06

  And, you know, would sort of bask in our light.

• 39:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:32Speaker 06

  And like bring other things to the table.

• 39:34Speaker 05

  When did everyone decide we're not settling?

• 39:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's like, what? I just got comfortable with the idea. And now everybody's like finding their true love. It's bullshit. So the two of them, and they have like a podcast and I'll see clips of them. And I'm like, that looks amazing. Like, I wanna do bits with somebody at home.

• 39:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:51Speaker 06

  That looks great. Every time I do bits with somebody, I'm not at home and it sucks. I was at work or on camera. And I'm like, I wanna do it at home in bed.

• 39:59Speaker 05

  Yeah. I want that for you. This is good to hear.

• 40:01Speaker 06

  I know. I'm putting it out there. I also wanted, I would love ideally another bisexual person.

• 40:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think that's what I would like ideally. If we're going like ideally.

• 40:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 40:11Speaker 06

  Another very funny bisexual person.

• 40:13Speaker 05

  Now, why do they need to be bisexual?

• 40:16Speaker 06

  They don't need to be anything.

• 40:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:17Speaker 06

  This is a dream vision board list, Caleb.

• 40:20Speaker 05

  Well, I'm sorry, let me rephrase the question because I would also like another bisexual person for you.

• 40:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, thank you.

• 40:25Speaker 05

  But I'm curious, what, what is the wanting them to be bisexual of it all? Are you guys gonna swing together?

• 40:31Speaker 06

  I just, no.

• 40:33Speaker 05

  Or is it just so that they understand the?

• 40:35Speaker 06

  No, I can't be.

• 40:36Speaker 05

  So you can both be like, oh, my God, that girl and that guy.

• 40:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, I just, I don't know. I just kind of want someone who like, I just want my best friend who like gets every part of me.

• 40:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:44Speaker 06

  You know, I just want somebody who like grew up with religious trauma and is also bisexual and is really funny.

• 40:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:53Speaker 06

  And now that I've said it, the universe has to give it to me.

• 40:55Speaker 05

  And they, and it will.

• 40:56Speaker 06

  Because that's how it works with manifesting.

• 40:58Speaker 05

  And if you're looking for a queer person with religious trauma, I got great news. The pool is big.

• 41:05Speaker 06

  I know.

• 41:06Speaker 05

  And I know most of them. And actually, most of them listen to this show.

• 41:08Speaker 06

  That's why I'm saying it on this podcast.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  But you wouldn't.

• 41:10Speaker 06

  That's why I came here today.

• 41:11Speaker 05

  You wouldn't respond to a DM, would you?

• 41:13Speaker 06

  I have.

• 41:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:14Speaker 06

  I mean, from like a stranger, it depends. It depends if they, because it's hard when people DM you and then you look at their page and there's nothing there.

• 41:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 06

  And you're like, did you really think that I was gonna say sure?

• 41:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 06

  To going to drinks in Chicago where I do not live.

• 41:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:32Speaker 06

  With someone who has no hard posts and their profile picture is of a motorcycle.

• 41:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:38Speaker 06

  Like, did you really think that I was just gonna be like, oh, sure? Like, that doesn't make any sense to me.

• 41:43Speaker 05

  I've had some, some people flirt with me in the DMs. Well, a lot of people flirt with me in the DMs. Most of them are.

• 41:49Speaker 06

  Civilians?

• 41:50Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, yes, not comedians. And they, most of them are just like, it's, it's really crazy. Like, I'm like, they're so age inappropriate or they're so, it just makes no sense. But then sometimes there'll be someone that like, they message me something cute that seems like, I'm like, oh, this person seems normal and funny.

• 42:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 05

  And I go to click on the profile, the profile picture is like a group photo from 300 feet away. And then the profile itself is locked. It's a private profile. And I'm like, well, you know, I'm not gonna accept that message. Like, I can't even give you the chance, even though the message was cute, it's fucked up.

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• 43:24Speaker 02

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon swirl bite?

• 43:27Speaker 02

  Uh, Taylor Hansen? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  But Taylor Hansen's making my day way better with these new soft and swirly King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites.

• 43:39Speaker 04

  Taylor Hansen? Nice. Try one. Mmm.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites. There's nothing like it.

• 43:54Speaker 06

  So weird. And if you are going to DM someone you don't know at all, send a photo or something.

• 44:01Speaker 05

  Well, Instagram won't let people send photos to... Like, I don't know if your account's like this. Mine can't get photos.

• 44:06Speaker 06

  What?

• 44:06Speaker 05

  They can't send me photos.

• 44:07Speaker 06

  I thought you just had to accept the message to see the photo.

• 44:10Speaker 05

  Oh, see, but I can't. I'm not accepting the message until I know what's up. I'm not. I'm not gonna accept the message on the whim, because the photo could be something crazy.

• 44:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, but then you've just seen a crazy photo.

• 44:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:19Speaker 06

  There's a lot of fucked up shit on the internet.

• 44:20Speaker 05

  But then they see that I've seen it.

• 44:22Speaker 06

  Well, then they've seen that you've seen it and, you know.

• 44:24Speaker 05

  But I'm on Grindr. You know, like, I gotta get off Grindr, actually.

• 44:28Speaker 06

  I have no experience.

• 44:29Speaker 05

  It's like at a point where it's like, I should not be on Grindr, full face on main. My Grindr is me smiling and my name Caleb. Like, it's just me.

• 44:39Speaker 06

  I know. I talked to you about doing dating apps because you told me you were on Hinge and I was like, you're on Hinge?

• 44:45Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm on Hinge.

• 44:45Speaker 06

  You're too famous for that.

• 44:46Speaker 05

  I'm on Hinge.

• 44:47Speaker 06

  Really?

• 44:47Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm on Hinge.

• 44:48Speaker 06

  But don't you go on a lot of dates that are just meet and greets?

• 44:52Speaker 05

  I've gotten really good at sorting that out.

• 44:54Speaker 06

  You have. You ever end up on a date with someone who, like, lied about not seeing any of your stuff or not knowing who you are and then you're on the date and then it's clear that they have and they did and they lied?

• 45:03Speaker 05

  Maybe twice.

• 45:04Speaker 06

  Not that that's ever happened to me.

• 45:05Speaker 05

  No, maybe twice, but it was, it was sweet both times that they were like, hey, I obviously have, like, seen your stuff, but I didn't want to make you uncomfortable.

• 45:13Speaker 06

  Which is great.

• 45:13Speaker 05

  I'm like, that one's fine. I've never had anyone, like, Trojan horse show up to the date just because they're a fan.

• 45:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:20Speaker 05

  Usually they will message me and be like, like, sometimes guys will try to be like, hey, I, uh, I'm a huge fan. I'd love to take you for a drink, but, uh, it's not romantic, just so you know, if you'd be into that. And I'm like, well, of course not. I have no desire. I don't need to make a friend. I'm not like 12 at a new school.

• 45:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:35Speaker 05

  Sorry. I'm like a grown adult with plenty of friends. Like, no, I don't need to make a new friend. Unless, I will say, the only time I'm receptive to that is when I'm solo traveling abroad.

• 45:44Speaker 06

  Oh, then you'll hang out with whoever.

• 45:45Speaker 05

  I'll be like, I'll be like, fuck yeah, let's go get a drink platonically.

• 45:48Speaker 06

  Really?

• 45:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, because then I'm like, that's fine. Now I have no friends over here. I'm bored. I'm trying to see the city. You live here. Then I accept it.

• 45:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:55Speaker 05

  But if I'm in New York and a guy messages me on Grindr and was like, do you want to be friends? I'm like, well, no, no, no shade, but absolutely not.

• 46:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, you're like, I'm very busy.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  I am extremely busy and I don't see my actual friends. Actually, my friends are pretty upset with me.

• 46:08Speaker 06

  Right, yeah. I asked you to hang out and I was like, by the way, you can cancel on me.

• 46:12Speaker 05

  And I didn't want to. You did. That was sweet, though.

• 46:14Speaker 06

  Well, I've, you know, that's again, probably low self-worth, but also I'm like, Caleb's so busy. If he needs to cancel, that's fine. And anybody really busy gets it, so.

• 46:24Speaker 05

  I'm never really canceling due to busy. I'm always Canceling due to some sort of spiritual message I've downloaded from the universe.

• 46:30Speaker 06

  Oh, that's saying you need to just be sad today?

• 46:33Speaker 05

  No, not usually sad. It's more like I'm supposed to have three meetings in the afternoon, but they're a little spread out and the universe speaks to me via several different messages and carriers and says to me, you should take the afternoon off and go to the park.

• 46:48Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 46:49Speaker 05

  And then I received that message from the universe and I put it into action.

• 46:52Speaker 06

  Do you ever get scared that you're gonna cancel something? Go out in public, someone's gonna see you and then it's gonna get back to the people you canceled on that you were just in the park?

• 47:00Speaker 05

  I don't lie.

• 47:01Speaker 06

  Oh, you don't? You go, I need to be in the park today?

• 47:03Speaker 05

  I don't lie. I'll say I need to be in the park today, or I'll say, hey, I can't do this anymore. And then if I-

• 47:08Speaker 06

  Are you serious?

• 47:08Speaker 05

  100%. And then if I saw them in the park, I'd be like, hey, this is why I couldn't do it.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  I had to be in the park. I'm a human being. I deserve to go to the park.

• 47:16Speaker 06

  I'm obsessed with you.

• 47:17Speaker 05

  It's fun to go to the park.

• 47:18Speaker 06

  That's incredible. I would never, I'm always coming up with a reason.

• 47:21Speaker 05

  Really?

• 47:22Speaker 06

  Yes, of course.

• 47:23Speaker 05

  I rarely, if it was something really inappropriate to cancel, like a huge work obligation, then I guess maybe I would come up with a reason. But for the most part, especially with friends, I try to just be like, hey, I'm not feeling this anymore the way I thought I would be when we planned it, so I need to-

• 47:37Speaker 06

  If you had said that to me, I would have been devastated.

• 47:40Speaker 05

  Not mean style.

• 47:41Speaker 06

  If you had been, there's no nice way to say, hey, I'm just not feeling seeing you today.

• 47:45Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no, no. It wouldn't be just-

• 47:47Speaker 06

  This isn't hitting for me, the idea of your company. It's just, I really thought I would get to Tuesday and I'd go, I would love to catch up with them. And I got here, and guess what?

• 47:57Speaker 05

  You're crazy, girl. It wouldn't be just sitting and talking with a friend. It'd be like, oh, I agreed to go to paintball with seven lesbians or something.

• 48:04Speaker 06

  Have you done that?

• 48:05Speaker 05

  And then of cour-, you don't have, you have no idea the kind of things I can get into with lesbians. These lesbians are, they're planning activities that you can't even imagine.

• 48:12Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, no, paintball with seven lesbians is-

• 48:14Speaker 05

  Tracks.

• 48:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's, you gotta be in the right headspace for that.

• 48:16Speaker 05

  They always wanna do something kooky and sometimes the day will come around and I'll go, I'm not the guy who said yes to this anymore.

• 48:22Speaker 06

  Right.

• 48:23Speaker 05

  I'm a different guy.

• 48:24Speaker 06

  I'm not the guy who said yes to this anymore.

• 48:26Speaker 05

  The guy who said yes to this, he's smiling down on us right now. He wants you guys to have so much fun, but the guy who's in me right now cannot get on a party bus.

• 48:35Speaker 06

  That's true. There I do. I do make some plans and then when those plans come up, if I were being honest, when I cancel, I would say, I thought I would be different by Wednesday, but I'm not.

• 48:45Speaker 05

  I release a dove for him.

• 48:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 05

  I release a dove for the Caleb who said yes to this. And I say, and I say, au revoir. I send him off into the universe and I say, God, I love that he thought we would do this.

• 48:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:57Speaker 05

  But the me who is me today cannot show up to game night.

• 49:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, but I want to, I want to want to.

• 49:04Speaker 05

  I want to want to. And that being said, I am going to start hosting a game night. And if any of my friends try to cancel, prison.

• 49:09Speaker 06

  You guys have to come. Are you easy to cancel on?

• 49:12Speaker 05

  Uh, I don't think so.

• 49:14Speaker 06

  No, you, you're, you, you hold it against people?

• 49:17Speaker 05

  Not hold it against, but I'm definitely, I'm a pusher.

• 49:20Speaker 06

  You are. You're like, come on.

• 49:21Speaker 05

  I'm like, I'm like, come on, we're young, we're gonna die someday.

• 49:24Speaker 06

  Oh, wow.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  I go, we only live once.

• 49:26Speaker 06

  That's so interesting because one thing I really appreciated about you at that fundraiser is there was like, oh, we're all going to the bar for the after party. And you came up to me and you were like, we're all going to the bar. Are you coming to hang out? And I went, well, I took like half a breath in and you saw my hesitation and you went, hey, you can go, you can walk over with me right now. As soon as you want to leave, I'll take you home. You don't have to stay that long. And by the way, if you don't want to go, no one's going to care and you're not going to make anyone upset. And I went.

• 49:54Speaker 05

  See, but to me, that's pushing. But to me, that's, to me, that's being, to me, that's my push.

• 49:58Speaker 06

  And you know what? It fucking worked because that was the only thing you could have said to me that would have gotten me there. It's like, you said the perfect thing and I was like, oh my, again, that's why I walked around for the next week going, do you have some Caleb Heroness? Do you like him as, as an entity? I met that guy.

• 50:15Speaker 05

  We're going, no, no, no.

• 50:16Speaker 06

  As you think, like, I was really just like, so, I mean, you obviously have a gift for like, knowing what the person in front of you needs to hear in order to get them to do what you want, but.

• 50:27Speaker 05

  Thank you. Yeah, bring it back. Yeah.

• 50:29Speaker 06

  It's really impressive. I mean, I also want to ask you, what is it like just having chemistry with every single person you meet? Does that make dating hard?

• 50:37Speaker 05

  That is not the case.

• 50:38Speaker 06

  It is the case.

• 50:39Speaker 05

  Taylor, do you know what? I am working on, by the way, speaking of me not letting people off the hook easy, I am on a journey. I'm on a lightheartedness journey right now.

• 50:47Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 50:48Speaker 05

  And I am working, you can ask Holmes, because Holmes is the biggest victim of my pushing. I am working on and I got, I got, I got positive praise from Holmes recently that I am getting better about letting people do their own thing.

• 51:02Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 51:02Speaker 05

  And Holmes, Holmes, Holmes recently canceled something on me or said they couldn't do something that we were maybe gonna do. And I said, and where I would normally say like, you evil bitch, you hate me. You, this cannot, this will not stand. I'll see you in court.

• 51:15Speaker 06

  Right, right, right.

• 51:15Speaker 05

  Instead of doing my normal thing, which is half a joke and half me really wanting them to do something. I said, I love you. Have a great day. I totally understand. And they got scared.

• 51:27Speaker 06

  Oh, well.

• 51:27Speaker 05

  That I was sick or something. And they said, oh, something wrong with you. And I said, no, I'm on a journey. I'm a journey of self-improvement in this area. And they said, well, I've noticed and thank you. I appreciate it.

• 51:38Speaker 06

  That's so nice.

• 51:39Speaker 05

  So in case you're wondering, even, even guys like me, evil, evil guys like me can change, can make change.

• 51:46Speaker 06

  So inspiring.

• 51:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:47Speaker 06

  My friends and I love canceling on each other and I think it brings us closer every time someone goes, hey, I'm so sorry. I just can't. And the other person goes, that's okay. I barely wanted to go. And we go, oh my God, I love you so much. I love you so much and oh, we're so healthy and I love you and you're the best.

• 52:03Speaker 05

  Yeah. I can't do stuff like that because I have abandonment issues.

• 52:06Speaker 06

  So do I.

• 52:07Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, doesn't that hurt you when someone cancels?

• 52:09Speaker 06

  You're an extrovert with abandonment issues and I'm an introvert with abandonment issues. Yeah. And if I, if I did see them, I would get closer to them and that would make it even more painful if they ever left me. So it's actually for the best that we don't get closer.

• 52:22Speaker 05

  That you stay in tonight.

• 52:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:24Speaker 05

  Yeah. I understand that. No, I do.

• 52:26Speaker 06

  I'm becoming increasingly avoidant.

• 52:27Speaker 05

  Are you?

• 52:28Speaker 06

  I think so, yeah.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  Why's that?

• 52:29Speaker 06

  I don't know. It just, it's, I have too much control over my life, I think now. Yeah. Right?

• 52:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 06

  And then you're kind of like, ooh, that sounds like an opportunity for my peace to be disturbed. Rather than like an opportunity for connection and fun.

• 52:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:46Speaker 06

  And now we're circling back to dating and why it's so hard.

• 52:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 06

  Cause going on dates, even if they're a good date, if they're not your person, it's still disappointing. You know, even if like it was a nice time and you both had fun and maybe neither of you were feeling it romantically. Like that's the best a date can go, other than it's my soulmate. And it's still like, oh. I left for nothing.

• 53:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, I got ready. I didn't hang out with my friends tonight.

• 53:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:12Speaker 05

  I didn't relax tonight.

• 53:14Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 53:14Speaker 05

  I didn't do any of the things I'm supposed to be making more time for, except for dating.

• 53:18Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 53:18Speaker 05

  And it didn't go well. And now I've spent the night on that. That's why you have to have, I think it has to have rules. A 45 minute first date.

• 53:25Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 53:26Speaker 05

  Plans afterwards, coffee, one drink.

• 53:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:29Speaker 05

  You gotta, and you gotta also get comfortable being like, after one drink, after one, like, one singular drink, if you're not feeling it, being like, hey, this was so much fun. It was nice to meet you. Where are you headed?

• 53:38Speaker 06

  Yeah. I think if you know somebody a little bit.

• 53:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 06

  Through mutuals or whatever else, you can do more than coffee for the first date. But if you are going in, blind date, you know, setup, app date, whatever, it's a 45 minute coffee.

• 53:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 06

  I think every dating app profile needs to have a voice note. I think I need to hear your voice before I meet up with you.

• 53:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:00Speaker 06

  I do voice note early in the texts because I've met up with people who look exactly like their photo.

• 54:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:05Speaker 06

  They have hidden nothing from me.

• 54:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:07Speaker 06

  They have accurately represented themselves.

• 54:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 06

  Appearance wise. And I hear their voice and I go, absolutely not.

• 54:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:13Speaker 06

  Can't do it.

• 54:13Speaker 05

  The voice is a lot. The voice is a lot of it.

• 54:16Speaker 06

  It's how you carry yourself. It's your voice.

• 54:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, you gotta do the voice.

• 54:19Speaker 06

  You gotta do the voice.

• 54:19Speaker 05

  The voice can be a problem, right? Not for guys like me and you, though. No, voice prompt is good. Hinge, a lot of voice prompts on there.

• 54:25Speaker 06

  A lot of voice prompts on it. Hinge was fun.

• 54:27Speaker 05

  And a lot of, and by the way, a lot of the gay guys that were mask fishing, the voice prompt will, will bring the truth to light.

• 54:33Speaker 06

  Will bring the truth to light.

• 54:34Speaker 05

  There's a lot of backwards ball caps until that voice prompt comes around.

• 54:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:40Speaker 06

  But it's like, it's just, it's something they can't change. It's like, you might not like my voice. Like, I, you know, if you project on, it's easy to project a bunch of stuff onto a photo of a person.

• 54:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:51Speaker 06

  And then if you meet up with them and it doesn't fit the picture in your head of what they were gonna be like, it's like, well, you know. I'd like as much information as possible. I would like to hear your voice. I would like to see your whole face and body. And I would like you to write down all of the products you use that include fragrance.

• 55:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:07Speaker 06

  To get an idea.

• 55:08Speaker 05

  Fragrance is a big one.

• 55:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:09Speaker 05

  But you know what? Here's what I'll say. I don't need to see nudes before we hook up. That's my, that's one thing about me.

• 55:14Speaker 06

  Right.

• 55:15Speaker 05

  And I know that might be a gay guy's specific thing.

• 55:16Speaker 06

  I was like, I'm. I don't think I've ever.

• 55:17Speaker 05

  Gay guys are sending that album ASAP Rocky. That album is coming through. It's like, hey, how's it going? I'm Craig album.

• 55:24Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 55:25Speaker 05

  Whoa. And sometimes it's hot, you know, if you're like particularly horny, you're like, okay, we did get to the bottom of things quickly. But I would far prefer, I've said this on here before, boring old news, but I would far prefer to um, figure out about your body in person in real time.

• 55:38Speaker 06

  Right. Old school.

• 55:39Speaker 05

  I think it's more fun. Yeah, it's like unwrapping a gift.

• 55:41Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, I also, I need to get to know somebody.

• 55:44Speaker 05

  Chance is not having it with me today. He keeps like shaking his head and laughing at me. He's not liking my energy on this episode.

• 55:52Speaker 06

  Um, I, that's the problem with having people that work with you that you've known for a really long time. Like, that's why I hired my sibling because I can't get away with jack shit.

• 56:00Speaker 05

  Oh, he won't be here for long.

• 56:01Speaker 06

  Yeah. No, it's good because you can't get away with anything because there's always someone there going.

• 56:05Speaker 05

  That's the problem. Chance's time with the company is almost up. He knows too much. He's into, he's gonna, he's gonna have break issues on a road trip.

• 56:14Speaker 05

  Me and, me and the fine folks of the Clinton Foundation are gonna find a solution to the Chance question very soon.

• 56:21Speaker 06

  Well, because you can't just fire him. The internet will cancel you for that.

• 56:24Speaker 05

  Oh, they'd be so mad if I fired Chance because they don't know what happens behind the scenes, but yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna find a, he's gonna, he's gonna take a, a small plane trip. If it doesn't quite make it to the destination.

• 56:35Speaker 06

  Who's gonna look up all the true or false facts?

• 56:37Speaker 05

  Oh, anybody, a robot could do it.

• 56:42Speaker 06

  Chat, chat GPT, can you come up with a true or false segment for So True?

• 56:46Speaker 05

  We're gonna replace Chance with chat. I go, I go chat, look this up.

• 56:53Speaker 06

  Um, oh, I had another question about, uh, Dan. Okay. So you don't think you have chemistry with everybody, but I'm sure everybody feels like they have chemistry with you, right?

• 57:02Speaker 05

  That's sweet. I hope that's true.

• 57:03Speaker 06

  I mean, do you hope that's true?

• 57:05Speaker 05

  Well, do I hope that everyone feels like they have chemistry with me? Yeah, that'd be amazing.

• 57:09Speaker 06

  Really?

• 57:09Speaker 05

  Oh, I hope everyone thinks I'm the, oh, I hope everyone thinks I'm a delight.

• 57:12Speaker 06

  But like romantically, do you find yourself going on a lot of dates where afterward they're like, I had a great time and you're like, I was playing racquetball with my own personality?

• 57:20Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, I, I, there is a gap. There's a gap between sometimes, uh, I will say a guy thinks a date went way better than it did just because I was at work.

• 57:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, because you were doing crowd work with one person.

• 57:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was, I was making shit happen. I was turning things on and off. I was, I was keeping the server engaged. I was, I paid the bill. I, I, I made the date a beautiful experience for them.

• 57:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:41Speaker 05

  It's like, you know how that, there's like that, that thing happening now where people are like, growing up is just realizing the magic of Christmas was all the work your mom did behind the scenes.

• 57:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:50Speaker 05

  That's, that's me on an okay date. You know what I mean? I'm like, you thought it was magic, buddy, because I put the stockings up, you know?

• 57:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:57Speaker 05

  And then, yeah, they'll be like, oh my God, I can't wait to see you again. And I'm like, really? I feel like we could go a while.

• 58:01Speaker 06

  Oh, no. Yeah, that's tough. That's hard. And sometimes I'm, I think I'm much better on a date when I know they're not, I'm not gonna see them again, cuz then I do just go into like, crowd work mode, where I'm just like interviewing them.

• 58:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:15Speaker 06

  Cuz I'm like, well, I can have an interesting conversation with anybody for three hours, you know? And certainly for 45 minutes over coffee.

• 58:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:21Speaker 06

  So then I probably seem more interested than I am.

• 58:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're running out the clock.

• 58:24Speaker 06

  Oh, when I was like on dates with straight guys, I was like, oh my God, I really get into it. And then they're like, whoa, like, cuz they're not used to being asked like very deep questions.

• 58:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:33Speaker 06

  And so when you're like, what's the worst thing that's ever happened to you? They're like, whoa, like, they're really.

• 58:38Speaker 05

  Oh my God, this girl's like intellectual.

• 58:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. They're like, well, she's really into me. And you're like, no, I just, you know, need to come away with a joke.

• 58:46Speaker 05

  I need to get something. I'm leaving here with something.

• 58:48Speaker 06

  Get some material out of this, yeah.

• 58:49Speaker 05

  Have you seen that Denzel Washington clip?

• 58:51Speaker 06

  No.

• 58:51Speaker 05

  With Jamie Foxx?

• 58:52Speaker 06

  No, what is it?

• 58:53Speaker 05

  I think about it all the time.

• 58:54Speaker 06

  What is it?

• 58:55Speaker 05

  It's Denzel and Jamie, two of our greatest minds, talking about, is it the Oscars?

• 59:00Speaker 06

  Like an Actors on Actors thing?

• 59:02Speaker 05

  Something like that. But of course, Denzel's wearing like sweatpants and a t-shirt. I love, I am obsessed with Denzel's like over it era.

• 59:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 05

  He's in interviews now just being like, don't fucking ask me that. Next question. I'm like,

• 59:12Speaker 06

  That's awesome.

• 59:14Speaker 05

  And he should. Uh, but he, yeah, he said, he was talking about an award show where he didn't win an award. And he goes, I'm leaving here with something. And then he talks about like stealing. He took, he took something. He took like some, uh, like a meal or a coat or something. But it's just very, the way him and Jamie, and Jamie is laughing so fucking hard. It, it's up there for me.

• 59:32Speaker 06

  That's awesome.

• 59:32Speaker 05

  I think about it a lot.

• 59:33Speaker 06

  I need to look that up.

• 59:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's great. And Jamie, Jamie Foxx does a Denzel impression for Denzel. That's incredible.

• 59:40Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 59:41Speaker 05

  Oh, God. I love Jamie Foxx.

• 59:43Speaker 06

  Jamie Foxx is very talented.

• 59:45Speaker 05

  He's one of our greatest.

• 59:45Speaker 06

  He is.

• 59:46Speaker 05

  He's one of our greatest, and I don't think it gets talked about enough.

• 59:48Speaker 06

  And we, and here we are saying it.

• 59:50Speaker 05

  And here I am saying it. Everyone spread the word.

• 59:52Speaker 06

  People don't talk about how great Jamie Foxx is.

• 59:54Speaker 05

  They, I'm, look, he's not lauded enough for everything he does well.

• 59:58Speaker 06

  Right.

• 59:58Speaker 05

  He's genuinely funny. He's a great actor. He is a great singer. We just don't have a lot of people doing it on that level.

• 1:00:04Speaker 06

  Jamie Foxx, come on the pod.

• 1:00:05Speaker 05

  Jamie, wow, I don't know. I don't want him to come on the pod.

• 1:00:08Speaker 06

  Really?

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  We'd have to know each other first.

• 1:00:09Speaker 06

  Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, you don't really have anyone on that you haven't met. Which is like, really, I, another thing I really admire about you.

• 1:00:16Speaker 05

  I just think Jamie and I, we should be friends first. I want to meet Jamie in the world some way. In some way that isn't orchestrated, you know, I want to maybe, maybe we bump into each other at a restaurant and I say, Jamie, you don't know me, of course, but I'm a huge fan, Jamie. And then he says, you know what? Let's go for a walk. We go for a walk. We get lunch. We cut up. We have some fun. We chit chat. We get to know each other. And then after several months or years of friendship and getting to know each other, hanging out, checking in on birthdays. I'm bad, actually, I'm really bad at birthdays, so I shouldn't say that.

• 1:00:48Speaker 06

  I'm so bad at birthdays.

• 1:00:49Speaker 05

  I'm bad, I, nobody's birth, none of my friends hear from me on their birthday.

• 1:00:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  And I just can't, I can't, there's too many. Everyone's being born all the time.

• 1:00:55Speaker 06

  I know. I forget my best friend's birthday every single year. We've been best friends for 22 years. Every year, I talk to her on her birthday most years.

• 1:01:02Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:01:03Speaker 06

  Don't, don't even, doesn't occur to me. And then two weeks later, I'm in the middle of the country somewhere doing a show and I went, oh my God. And I text her and I go, I'm really sorry. And she's like, I don't care.

• 1:01:13Speaker 05

  This is why I don't get bent out of shape if people don't remember to say happy birthday to me. I'm like, totally fair game. The only person in the world whose birthday I remember is my mom's.

• 1:01:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:21Speaker 05

  That's it.

• 1:01:22Speaker 06

  And that's the only one you need to remember.

• 1:01:23Speaker 05

  That's it. It's for mom.

• 1:01:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:25Speaker 05

  But Jamie and I have a couple of years of beautiful friendship.

• 1:01:27Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:01:27Speaker 05

  And then he says, oh, I got this movie coming out. And I go, well, if you want to come on the show and talk about it. And he goes, yeah, I'll be in New York. I'll pop by. And then we do a beautiful So True episode.

• 1:01:36Speaker 06

  Crazy that you think your connection with Jamie Foxx is going to be forged during an impromptu walk?

• 1:01:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Speaker 06

  Rather than some sort of project or party you go to?

• 1:01:47Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 1:01:47Speaker 06

  Or any sort of like, you know, his team reaches out about doing the pod. You think you're going to run into him? And he's going to go, want to go for a walk?

• 1:01:56Speaker 05

  If his team reached out about doing the pod, I would say no.

• 1:01:58Speaker 06

  You would?

• 1:01:59Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:02:00Speaker 06

  Would you really?

• 1:02:01Speaker 05

  Yes. If, ask the, ask them if I don't say no to everybody. A lot of people ask to come on the show that I say no to. We have to walk. Jamie and I need to go on a walk first because I feel that we, it would be reveal, everything would need, everything that needs to be revealed would be revealed on the walk. And then the episode is just, you know, then it's gravy. But I'm, if, if Jamie's team reached out to me and said, Jamie wants to go on a walk, well, then we're talking. Put me on the email.

• 1:02:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, I remember when I, because I think I started seeing clips of you on TikTok. And I was like, who is this? This is like the funniest person I've ever seen. And then that's how I figured out you had a podcast. And I remember, uh, I was, I was talking to, oh, my social media manager at one point, I was like, I think Caleb Hearon's like the funniest person on the internet. And she goes, we should do his podcast. I go, I can't do his podcast. I don't know him. That's not how that podcast works. And she goes, oh, my God, you get on the podcast. I go, no, he has friends on. And that's what's so great about that podcast. I'm like, I'm just like, I'm like, I'm a real, I was like, I'm a real fan and I have, I have respect for that project. And I go, the reason that podcast is so great is because he only has his friends on. And so they have a rapport and he could interview a stranger and be great, but he doesn't want to.

• 1:03:11Speaker 06

  And that's what I love about Caleb Hearon. I was back when I only said your whole name, full first and last name because I didn't know you.

• 1:03:17Speaker 05

  Do you know what's interesting to me, Taylor?

• 1:03:19Speaker 06

  What?

• 1:03:19Speaker 05

  You are, you are so good at making this interview not about you. I will say, and it's always a back and forth. We talk about each other, you know, but a lot of people try to, and I know what you're doing because this is what I do.

• 1:03:33Speaker 06

  Well.

• 1:03:34Speaker 05

  You're doing what I do. I go on other people's podcasts and I go, this is my show now. And you are one of the only people who has succeeded at it on So True. And I'm, I'm, I'm oscillating in my head between being impressed and being so angry with you.

• 1:03:47Speaker 06

  But it's genuine. It's not, it's not a plan I came in with, like Caleb's not going to get anything over on me. Like I, look, I'm, you can edit this however you want. You can ruin my life. I'm genuinely, I am genuinely a huge fan. I had a lot I wanted to say to you. I put it out on the siblings group chat because we're all big fans. And I said, does anyone have anything they want me to ask Caleb? Because I'm going on the pod today. That's, I came in with questions from other people. Yeah. That's how big of fans we are over here at Camp Taylor.

• 1:04:14Speaker 05

  But even this, but even this moment.

• 1:04:15Speaker 06

  I'm sorry.

• 1:04:16Speaker 05

  You just, it's, it. Really is impressive.

• 1:04:18Speaker 06

  Well, it's hard. I'm, this is a meet and greet for me. So I'm, I can't just sit back.

• 1:04:22Speaker 05

  Silly. That is so silly.

• 1:04:23Speaker 06

  It's not silly.

• 1:04:24Speaker 05

  That is silly and ridiculous.

• 1:04:25Speaker 06

  It's not silly.

• 1:04:26Speaker 05

  We've gone on a walk. We've had our walk.

• 1:04:28Speaker 06

  And it was great.

• 1:04:29Speaker 05

  We've had our walk. Yeah, it's so interesting to me. I really am, I'm fascinated by you.

• 1:04:33Speaker 06

  Well, I, look.

• 1:04:34Speaker 05

  I find myself fascinated by you.

• 1:04:35Speaker 06

  What did you think? You think I was gonna come in here and be like, what have you got? Ask me things?

• 1:04:40Speaker 05

  No, but I would love that. I, I, no, I'm not, I'm, I'm just interested in it. What do you want? What, what is the goal for you?

• 1:04:46Speaker 06

  Here, right now?

• 1:04:47Speaker 05

  No, not here right now. In life. Like, what do you, what do you want out of life? What is the point of all this?

• 1:04:51Speaker 06

  Oh, man.

• 1:04:52Speaker 05

  Why are you doing all this?

• 1:04:53Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. Is this punishment for me asking you questions?

• 1:04:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, you're in trouble now.

• 1:04:56Speaker 06

  Here's a, here's a hardball question.

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:59Speaker 06

  I mean, I really do, I think for a while, when I had no time for a personal life and I was working really hard, which I'm, look, still in that season, but we're coming out of it. I was like, you're fine on your own. You don't need anybody. It's all good. And it's probably better this way. And I really do, I really do wanna like, fall in love again. And it's been like, a while now. And it's been even longer since I've, I think, like, my last couple of relationships, I was, I think, making a lot of compromises where I was like, you don't need all the things you want. And it's okay if the person you're dating, you know, let's just, doesn't have a job, or, you know, wants to be open,

• 1:05:43Speaker 06

  or is like, way hotter than you, which is not something I want ever again. I do not ever wanna date someone who's hotter than me again. I want someone who is as hot as me exactly. With the same level of attractiveness. I do not wanna feel uncomfortable in my own home, and I want, I don't. I want to eat as much popcorn as I want, and I don't wanna be doing, like, I just, I wanna eat normally in front of a person.

• 1:06:07Speaker 05

  I don't wanna see a 12 at the breakfast table.

• 1:06:09Speaker 06

  No, I want to eat nachos the way I eat them alone in front of another person. That, to me, is true love. I don't want anyone super hot again. My last two relationships, they were so hot and I hated it. I hated every fucking second of it. I'm just eating like, the tiniest pieces of tofu in front of them, like, just chewing like a fucking American Girl doll. Like, not even really, I was so uncomfortable the whole time. I hated it. So I don't want that again. But anyway, sorry, I got lost for a minute, but I.

• 1:06:37Speaker 05

  Opposite, by the way, I love dating hot people.

• 1:06:38Speaker 06

  You do?

• 1:06:39Speaker 05

  Yo, yeah, go look at him.

• 1:06:40Speaker 06

  I don't, I don't, look at him.

• 1:06:42Speaker 05

  Look at him.

• 1:06:43Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh, but you can't.

• 1:06:44Speaker 05

  But you don't want it.

• 1:06:45Speaker 06

  You don't want it. Well, I want someone funny. I don't want someone crazy hot.

• 1:06:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Speaker 06

  Like, they're not gonna be hilarious.

• 1:06:51Speaker 05

  It's true.

• 1:06:52Speaker 06

  It's just not gonna happen. It's not their fault.

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  So we want someone equally as hot as you.

• 1:06:57Speaker 06

  Exactly. And I'm not saying I'm, I'm not saying I'm hot. I think I'm cute and I want that. That's what I want.

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  All right.

• 1:07:03Speaker 06

  The same, the same amount of attraction, exactly. And I want someone who's cute in the same way I'm cute, too. I want the same genre.

• 1:07:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:11Speaker 06

  Of cute.

• 1:07:11Speaker 05

  I've been on a journey with what you've been saying, where at first I was like, exactly. You don't, I was so on your side. But it's like, you don't, you don't need everything you want. Or you, you don't, whatever. It's, it's like, you need everything you want. You deserve it. You should get everything. And then you're like, they have to be cute in the exact way I am. And I'm like, maybe the sacrificing was good.

• 1:07:29Speaker 06

  I know.

• 1:07:30Speaker 05

  Maybe actually.

• 1:07:31Speaker 06

  I, I only go between the two extremes where I'm like, I'll do whatever you want, and that's fine. And like, I have very specific specifications now that I want. So, cause you know, I grew up in church and I was like, make your list of all the things you want in a spouse, and then God will give them to you. And what they don't tell you is when you stop believing in God and you make that list, that list isn't going to anyone.

• 1:07:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Speaker 06

  You know?

• 1:07:53Speaker 05

  It doesn't get any higher than the ceiling.

• 1:07:54Speaker 06

  No, there's no one to deliver on that list. So it really is just you writing things down that you want. And then every day you look at that list and go, wow, doesn't, hasn't happened yet. And then you go, maybe I'm not good enough for that. Kelsey told me to, again, my friend Kelsey Cook, she told me, she goes, you need to make a list of all the things that you bring to the table as a partner. She goes, because you need confidence when you're dating. So she goes, make a list of all the things you bring to the table. And I think it'll make you feel better. She goes, that's what I did when I was single. It really helped. And I said, okay. And she goes, I'm gonna call you tomorrow and you better have done it. And so the next day she calls me, she goes, did you make your list? And I said, yes. She goes, how'd it go? I said, I didn't get very far. And she said, what did you write? And I said, I wrote funny.

• 1:08:34Speaker 06

  Fast reader.

• 1:08:35Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:08:37Speaker 06

  And that's it. That's as far as I got.

• 1:08:39Speaker 05

  Funny and fast reader.

• 1:08:40Speaker 06

  Funny and fast reader, because you don't want to write down like cute enough. And that's what I felt like. And then I was like, I think that's as fast, that's as far as I got with it. And she goes, that's the saddest thing I've ever heard.

• 1:08:50Speaker 05

  I'm gonna break down these walls of yours. We're gonna get through there.

• 1:08:53Speaker 06

  But then sometimes I'm like, I'm great. I think, look, I think I'm a catch. And I also think if you're not into it, I fully get that. I get that completely.

• 1:09:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:02Speaker 06

  So I'm, look, I'm, I'm very easy to reject, cancel on anything. And I'm like, I understand that. But also, there's people that I'm like, you should be in love with me, probably.

• 1:09:12Speaker 05

  There we go.

• 1:09:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Speaker 05

  That I like to hear. Now that I like to hear.

• 1:09:15Speaker 06

  Yeah. But then there's other people where I'm like, of course, and you should, and you have lots of options and you should go explore them.

• 1:09:20Speaker 05

  That part I don't like to hear.

• 1:09:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:22Speaker 05

  So Taylor, what is so true to you?

• 1:09:25Speaker 06

  What's so true to me?

• 1:09:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:26Speaker 06

  Every hotel room needs to have a plunger in the bathroom.

• 1:09:29Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:09:31Speaker 06

  By default. I've been on the road a long time. They never have a plunger in the bathroom.

• 1:09:35Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:09:35Speaker 06

  You always have to ask for one. I have actually gone out and purchased one when I was in a hotel room for the weekend.

• 1:09:40Speaker 05

  What are you doing in there?

• 1:09:41Speaker 06

  Well.

• 1:09:42Speaker 05

  You're like, you have no, you have no idea how many times I've had to ask.

• 1:09:44Speaker 06

  Well, here's what happened, because I was in New York for 10 days. And on night two, I plugged, I clogged the toilet. Okay, whatever.

• 1:09:52Speaker 05

  It's okay.

• 1:09:53Speaker 06

  It's fine. And I call down to the front desk and I say, hey, I'm really sorry. I know it's midnight. Can you just bring up a plunger and leave it outside the door? And I'm going to take care of what's going on in here. We understand each other. And she goes, totally, we can do that. They call back two minutes later and they go, hey, so we actually need to send somebody up to do it. And I said, that's not necessary. I can handle it. I'm 32. I've done this. I've been on this planet a long time.

• 1:10:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Speaker 06

  I can plunge a toilet. And she goes, all right. Then they call back again, different guy. And he goes, hey, so we don't have any plungers here. I go, in the building? What? He goes, we don't have any plungers here. We only have a snake. So we have to send somebody up with the snake to unclog the toilet. And I'm like, okay. And they're like, we're really sorry. And I go, I'm really sorry. And so they send a guy up at midnight, Brandon, my sibling, and I opens, opens the door. And this guy. And he go, first thing he says before we even say hello, he goes, hey, it happens to everybody. It's okay. He goes, I do this every night. I do this every night. He goes, look at this. He pulls the snake into the door frame so we can see it. He goes, look at this. He's a tall guy. It's taller than him. He goes, look at this.

• 1:11:02Speaker 06

  Let me do my job. I do this every day. Don't worry about it.

• 1:11:04Speaker 05

  This is so sweet.

• 1:11:06Speaker 06

  It was amazing. He comes in, he does the thing. It sounds horrible. It's the noises coming from the bathroom. Oh my God. It sounded like someone being strangled with a shower curtain. It was horrible. He comes out and he goes, he goes, it's done. See, it's easy. He goes, and he goes, and by the way, I didn't see anything. I go, well, that's not true. But he goes, it's fine. He goes, I didn't see anything. And he goes, and I'm so glad I saw you guys. All right. This was fine. And he goes, and I love you guys. He goes, and I love you guys. And we're like, thank you so much. That was really nice. He goes, yeah, don't worry about it. He goes, how long you staying? I go like another week. And he goes, well, if I see you again, I'll come do it again. It's fine. It was the nicest thing. We were like, he left. We were like,

• 1:11:48Speaker 06

  I know. We were like, we didn't learn his name. Like we were, he's amazing. He's like, he's gonna,

• 1:11:56Speaker 05

  He's like, hey, the nasty shit you did in there? Don't worry about the nasty shit you did. I'll come back. I hope you do it again.

• 1:12:01Speaker 06

  And I love you guys.

• 1:12:02Speaker 05

  I love you guys.

• 1:12:03Speaker 06

  I love you guys. I know. Isn't that nice? I know. And I wouldn't have had that experience if they put a plunger in the bathroom, but they need to do that, especially in New York. Okay. You got, the plumbing here is not great. All right. California could have handled what I did in there.

• 1:12:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, we need to be in a newer state.

• 1:12:22Speaker 05

  For the shit I'm doing needs to happen in a newer state. These old states can't handle what I'm putting down. That is so funny, dude. Wow. What a beautiful experience. That, by the way, is the whole reason to be alive. Interactions like that are the whole reason to be alive.

• 1:12:35Speaker 06

  That's so true.

• 1:12:36Speaker 05

  Talking to that guy is the reason to be alive. There's no other point, point. There's no purpose of being alive if you're not talking to that guy. Oh, I love him. You want to play a game?

• 1:12:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:12:45Speaker 05

  How do you think you're gonna do?

• 1:12:46Speaker 06

  I think I'm gonna do bad, but I'm excited.

• 1:12:48Speaker 05

  Okay. That's beautiful.

• 1:12:49Speaker 06

  And I'm gonna go fast because I know you hate it when people go slow.

• 1:12:55Speaker 06

  But I'm so nervous. Okay.

• 1:12:57Speaker 05

  Don't be nervous. I'm gonna read you 15 statements. You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false. If you get 10 or more correct, I think you know.

• 1:13:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:13:03Speaker 05

  We're gonna give you 50 US dollars. Are you ready?

• 1:13:06Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:13:06Speaker 05

  All right. Elijah Wood was born in Toronto.

• 1:13:09Speaker 06

  False.

• 1:13:10Speaker 05

  False. Cedar Rapids, Iowa. The letter Q does not appear in any US state name.

• 1:13:15Speaker 06

  False.

• 1:13:15Speaker 05

  True.

• 1:13:16Speaker 06

  What?

• 1:13:18Speaker 06

  Oh, fuck.

• 1:13:20Speaker 06

  I went Albuquerque. That's a city.

• 1:13:22Speaker 05

  A group of lemurs is called a conspiracy.

• 1:13:24Speaker 06

  Oh, I hope that's true. True.

• 1:13:26Speaker 05

  True. The tallest person ever recorded was 8'11" inches.

• 1:13:30Speaker 06

  False.

• 1:13:30Speaker 05

  True. Temecula Valley High School opened in 1963.

• 1:13:34Speaker 06

  I know I went there, but I don't care.

• 1:13:38Speaker 06

  I do not claim Temecula. True?

• 1:13:40Speaker 05

  False. 1985.

• 1:13:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:13:42Speaker 05

  Platypuses don't have stomachs.

• 1:13:45Speaker 06

  True.

• 1:13:45Speaker 05

  True. And is it platypuses or platypai?

• 1:13:47Speaker 07

  Platypai.

• 1:13:48Speaker 05

  Nice. It is true. Friday Night Lights, the series ran for 10 seasons.

• 1:13:53Speaker 06

  False.

• 1:13:54Speaker 05

  False. Five. Hinge was released in 2013.

• 1:13:59Speaker 06

  False.

• 1:13:59Speaker 05

  True.

• 1:14:00Speaker 06

  Fuck!

• 1:14:00Speaker 05

  Singing in the Rain won the best, the Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay.

• 1:14:05Speaker 06

  Oh, I should know that. That's my favorite movie.

• 1:14:09Speaker 06

  False. Don't look at me like that.

• 1:14:12Speaker 05

  It is false.

• 1:14:13Speaker 06

  Okay, I thought so.

• 1:14:13Speaker 05

  Uh, caramel never, caramel never spoils.

• 1:14:16Speaker 06

  Caramel?

• 1:14:17Speaker 05

  Caramel, however you say it.

• 1:14:18Speaker 06

  No, I, I wasn't, that's not.

• 1:14:20Speaker 05

  However you say it.

• 1:14:21Speaker 06

  That's not what I meant.

• 1:14:22Speaker 05

  Never spoils.

• 1:14:23Speaker 06

  Uh, true.

• 1:14:25Speaker 05

  Uh, that is false. The Houston Texans are the third oldest NFL franchise.

• 1:14:32Speaker 06

  False?

• 1:14:32Speaker 05

  False. They're the newest.

• 1:14:33Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:14:34Speaker 05

  Palomar College's mascot is the asteroids.

• 1:14:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:14:37Speaker 05

  False. It's the comet.

• 1:14:38Speaker 06

  What? Oh, fuck you! Asteroid and comet? Fuck you. Fuck this show. That, I should have, that's the same, what's the difference between an asteroid and a comet? Do you know?

• 1:14:47Speaker 05

  An AI chatbot could never do that, Chance.

• 1:14:49Speaker 06

  What do you know? What's the difference between an asteroid and a comet?

• 1:14:52Speaker 05

  Um, um, um.

• 1:14:54Speaker 06

  Oh, let me guess. One doesn't have a, a tail.

• 1:14:56Speaker 05

  Well.

• 1:14:57Speaker 06

  Is that it?

• 1:14:57Speaker 05

  Well, I bet, I bet they look different.

• 1:14:59Speaker 06

  God damn, fuck you, Chance.

• 1:15:00Speaker 05

  Johnny Appleseed was a real person.

• 1:15:05Speaker 06

  True.

• 1:15:05Speaker 05

  True. There are no Walmarts in Alaska.

• 1:15:08Speaker 06

  Hmm. True.

• 1:15:10Speaker 05

  False. York Peppermint Patties are older than Joe Biden.

• 1:15:17Speaker 06

  True.

• 1:15:18Speaker 05

  It is true. How'd you do?

• 1:15:19Speaker 07

  Eight.

• 1:15:20Speaker 05

  Oh, Taylor.

• 1:15:21Speaker 06

  You know what? I deserved that asteroid one. That was crazy.

• 1:15:25Speaker 05

  It's the mascot of a place. Didn't you go there?

• 1:15:27Speaker 06

  I did go there for a year and a half. And that's why I was like, I know this, but asteroid and comet, that's like if you were trying to think of the word for comet.

• 1:15:34Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:15:35Speaker 06

  And you said asteroid, everyone would know what you were talking about.

• 1:15:37Speaker 05

  Chance is a sick fuck.

• 1:15:38Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 1:15:39Speaker 05

  Bad guy.

• 1:15:40Speaker 06

  I really don't, I enjoy this segment when I'm listening, but not when I'm here participating.

• 1:15:45Speaker 05

  It's not fun. It's not fun that we do it to people. We should stop.

• 1:15:47Speaker 06

  That sucks.

• 1:15:47Speaker 05

  The fans would riot. They love that segment. Taylor, I really, I think the world of you. I think you're so great.

• 1:15:53Speaker 06

  I mean, I'm obsessed with you.

• 1:15:55Speaker 05

  Tell us, tell people where they can find you and where they can watch your special.

• 1:15:58Speaker 06

  You can watch all my specials on Netflix. The new one's Prodigal Daughter, but watch whatever you want. And yeah, that's, that's it mostly.

• 1:16:06Speaker 05

  Nice. Thanks for coming on, dude.

• 1:16:08Speaker 06

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:16:09Speaker 00

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• 1:16:39Speaker 02

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 1:16:40Speaker 03

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon swirl bite?

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Taylor Hanson? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm.

• 1:16:48Speaker 04

  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  But Taylor Hanson's making my day way better with these new soft and swirly King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites.

• 1:16:54Speaker 04

  Taylor Hanson? Nice.

• 1:16:56Speaker 03

  Try one.

• 1:16:57Speaker 04

  Mmm.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites. There's nothing like it.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

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