Nick Smith is Giving Stepmom

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 0:01Speaker 01

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon swirl bite?

• 0:03Speaker 00

  Uh, Taylor Hansen? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm.

• 0:09Speaker 02

  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

• 0:10Speaker 00

  But Taylor Hansen's making my day way better with these new soft and swirly King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites.

• 0:15Speaker 02

  Taylor Hansen? Nice.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Try one.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 0:22Speaker 03

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites. There's nothing like it.

• 0:31Speaker 03

  Wave.

• 0:34Speaker 04

  Like, I don't like to date. I don't like dates. I don't like...

• 0:40Speaker 04

  What? I'm not gonna say that. I don't... You don't like what? Come on, tell us. Getting to know people.

• 0:53Speaker 05

  Today's episode is presented by Intuit TurboTax. Now this is taxes. Nick, what the hell is going on with you?

• 1:01Speaker 04

  Hi.

• 1:02Speaker 05

  Hi. You were showing me your Legos before this. You're getting really into Legos.

• 1:06Speaker 04

  An addiction to Legos.

• 1:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  Uh, but they're really beautiful. I was showing them to you. I do the flower botanical ones.

• 1:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14Speaker 04

  It's sort of, it's starting to look like I have an Asian fetish because I just keep doing like Japanese garden.

• 1:19Speaker 05

  It's starting to give white guy who owns a couple kimonos.

• 1:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:22Speaker 05

  Which is a type of white guy that we try to avoid.

• 1:25Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:25Speaker 05

  They're mostly a peaceful people, by the way.

• 1:28Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:28Speaker 05

  White guys that are really into Asia. They're mostly a peaceful people.

• 1:31Speaker 04

  But if I'm talking to you and your instinct to say hello to me is to clasp your hands and bow.

• 1:36Speaker 05

  So that's gonna be a different thing, yeah.

• 1:38Speaker 04

  We're gonna, we're gonna need to take a step back. This isn't Memoirs of a Geisha.

• 1:41Speaker 05

  Yeah. I don't, a white guy who gets really into Asia, it's been discussed on the pod before. I used to work with one of them.

• 1:49Speaker 05

  Okay, let me tell you a story. When I was in Chicago and I worked at, uh, this one job that I had, we had to go on a work trip. And it was, uh, a company that didn't have a lot of money because it was a nonprofit. I'll say that. I worked for a couple nonprofits, so I don't feel like I'm giving the game away on this guy. I don't wanna, uh, blow this guy's spot up. But we, I worked in a nonprofit and we went on a work trip, right? And we had to share hotel rooms.

• 2:12Speaker 04

  To where?

• 2:12Speaker 05

  Uh, to St. Louis.

• 2:14Speaker 04

  Exotic.

• 2:14Speaker 05

  From Chicago.

• 2:15Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 2:16Speaker 05

  We had to share hotel rooms. Um, with other staff, which is crazy. Sure. And he and I got paired together because the company was mostly women. So it was like me and him were the only guys going on the trip. Okay, so we go, we go and we, we do the first day of work.

• 2:34Speaker 05

  He goes out that night with all of us and then he goes back early. He's like, hey, I'm gonna go back and go to bed. I go, okay. I go, is it okay if I stay out? He goes, he goes, yeah. I go, okay. So I stay out a little bit. I go back and then he's not there. He's like gone somewhere else. And I go, okay, he probably went out with some other friends. He probably like knows people in St. Louis or something. So I go back, I'm like, oh, perfect. I'll go to sleep then. I go in the, to the room. I go to sleep in my bed. Right? I, I'm not a crazy snorer. I, I would say Chance has slept in many rooms with me. I snore, but it's not like the most absurd thing you've ever heard. It's like a regular snore. Okay.

• 3:12Speaker 05

  I go to sleep and at one point in the middle of the night, I awake to being struck. To what? I've been hit by something. Something has hit me. I thought the ceiling fell on me. Something hits me really hard and I wake up. I go, ah, I wake up because I've been hit really hard. Right. And then I look and there's an additional pillow in my bed that isn't mine. And I turn and I'm like freaked out and I turn and the guy that I work with is asleep in his bed. And I go, I go, what? I said, what? And he. I, I wouldn't even know what to say in that situation. Pretending to be asleep after he threw a pillow at me.

• 3:54Speaker 05

  And I, I was so freaked out and cause you gotta understand, I'm in dead, like deep rim sleep. And I wake up to that and now he's pretending. Alarming. It's crazy. And so I'm like, I don't even know what to make of it. So I text my friend Lauren, who works with, at the company. Right. She is a, an older woman who, she's an older black woman who, when they tried to tell her she was gonna have to share a room with a white person. She said, I'm not sharing a room with a white person. Give me my own room.

• 4:19Speaker 04

  I respect that.

• 4:20Speaker 05

  Queen.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  I respect that.

• 4:21Speaker 05

  And I would give anything.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  And she deserves her own room.

• 4:23Speaker 05

  She does, and so did I. But I'm happy for her. So I text her and I go, hey, can I please come to your room? Just did some crazy shit. And she goes, of course. I come in there, she got like a suite.

• 4:34Speaker 04

  She's like, do you want the pullout?

• 4:35Speaker 05

  Truly, she's got a pullout couch. I go, Lauren, can I sleep on the pullout couch? She goes, of course. I go, what, what was all this? She goes, she goes, yeah, you can stay in here. I go, okay. So she and I stay up talking. I'm like, girl, he fucking threw a pillow at me. She's like, that's fucking crazy. I've never liked his ass. White guy who loves Asia. So we start ripping into that. So me and Lauren are kind of tearing him apart.

• 4:54Speaker 04

  Why did I think that white guy who loves Asia? You were gonna say you woke up to a tea ceremony or something? Like, I was waiting for you to drop the Asian bomb.

• 5:03Speaker 05

  He's doing like sword stuff in the corner.

• 5:05Speaker 04

  Literally.

• 5:05Speaker 05

  No, this just goes to the insidious nature of a sometimes, sometimes white guys who love Asia, there's something going on with them. And then, so I sleep in there.

• 5:12Speaker 04

  Not sometimes.

• 5:13Speaker 05

  I'm saying sometimes there's something going on with them and it doesn't become anyone else's problem. And sometimes you share a hotel room and they hit you with a pillow.

• 5:21Speaker 05

  So I sleep in Lauren's room. I shout out Lauren, I love her so much. And then I, the next morning, I have to go back to my room to like shower and stuff. I walk into the room, the guy is in there. And he goes, he goes, oh, hey, man. I go, don't. I get in the shower. And then while I'm in the bathroom, he is like knocking on the door. He goes, hey, when you're done, can we talk for a second? I feel really horrible. And I was like, I have nothing to say to you. And he, cause that was insanity.

• 5:46Speaker 04

  It's insane.

• 5:47Speaker 05

  And he was like, I'm really sorry. I just, I wasn't able to get any sleep because you were snoring and I just didn't know what else to do. And I was like, you're like 40, leave me alone. I was, at the time, I was 23. I'm 23 years old and a 40 year old man has hit me with a pillow in my sleep. Okay, I'm feeling insane.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  That's not the pillow fight you were dreaming of.

• 6:06Speaker 05

  No, I go, you're like 40, leave me alone. And then he goes, okay. And then I, I actually had put in my two weeks at that job before this trip.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  Sure, so you were really clocked out.

• 6:15Speaker 05

  I was, went as a favor to the, to the group because they needed help on the trip. And I was like, I'm not gonna leave you high and dry. And when we got back from my exit interview, I spent most of it talking about him. I was like, he hit me with a pillow, he's crazy, get him out of here. I don't know whatever happened to him, but he was really into Asia.

• 6:32Speaker 04

  I think you know what happened to him.

• 6:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, he's probably, yeah, he's probably in Taipei causing trouble.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  Literally.

• 6:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's over there doing some stuff he shouldn't be doing.

• 6:39Speaker 04

  Damn, he kamikaze'd you with a pillow.

• 6:41Speaker 05

  Isn't that crazy? And then to pretend to be asleep at your big ass age.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  Right.

• 6:45Speaker 05

  Cause also, I totally, I, by the way-

• 6:46Speaker 04

  But what would you want him to have done?

• 6:48Speaker 05

  First of all, you fucking deal with it. You either go get your own room, or you put in earplugs, you put in headphones. I've slept, I have friends that snore crazy style, and you know what I do? Fucking headphones on.

• 6:58Speaker 04

  Hundred percent.

• 6:59Speaker 05

  And if none of that works, and you absolutely feel like you have to do something to me, a 23 year old who's being forced to stay in a room with you, I would not have been happy about, but I would have accepted if he like gently nudged me awake and was like, hey, I'm so sorry, your snoring is, is causing me to not be able to sleep. Can I just like get to sleep really quick? And then you go back to sleep. I wouldn't like that, but that's like the nicest, most normal-

• 7:21Speaker 04

  If you're gonna do anything.

• 7:22Speaker 05

  You know? Yeah.

• 7:23Speaker 04

  How long had you been asleep at this point?

• 7:25Speaker 05

  Hours. Hours.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  No.

• 7:28Speaker 05

  I'm deep in sleep. This is like 3, 4 in the morning. Crazy. Crazy. Anyway, white guys who love Asia, they can be a problem. But mostly they're peaceful, so it's hard. It's mostly they just stay in their house and play with their swords and they don't really bother anybody, from my experience.

• 7:44Speaker 04

  Not my experience.

• 7:45Speaker 05

  What are they doing to you?

• 7:47Speaker 04

  Again, it's like-

• 7:48Speaker 05

  You're bothered by the knowledge of their existence?

• 7:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, and it's always bless. Um, it's always, again, if I'm just trying to have a conversation and your go-to is to do Asian mannerisms to me-

• 8:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  That are offensive.

• 8:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:07Speaker 04

  I'm like, we've lost, what are, what?

• 8:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, sure. That makes sense to me.

• 8:13Speaker 04

  Did you know?

• 8:14Speaker 05

  Say it.

• 8:16Speaker 04

  This is gonna get me in trouble.

• 8:18Speaker 05

  That's good.

• 8:19Speaker 04

  I just-

• 8:19Speaker 05

  By the way, the one thing Nick said to me before this recording was, I'm not having fun on this show.

• 8:24Speaker 04

  I refuse. I refuse to have fun.

• 8:27Speaker 05

  So hurtful.

• 8:28Speaker 04

  And that's so true.

• 8:29Speaker 05

  But let's get you in trouble at least.

• 8:30Speaker 04

  So, I'm aware, this is gonna, anyone who watches our podcast, this is an early thing, famously. So, World War II.

• 8:42Speaker 05

  Uh oh.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  I didn't realize Japan and Germany were in cahoots.

• 8:50Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  That did not even cross my mind.

• 8:57Speaker 05

  It should have crossed your desk as like a student.

• 9:00Speaker 04

  Never made it to my desk.

• 9:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:03Speaker 04

  And the reason I'm bringing that up is because we're talking about white men obsessed with Asia. And it made me think of Japan and then now it's now made me think of World War II. And it still is blowing my mind that they were in cahoots because obviously we know about Hitler and we know about Pearl Harbor.

• 9:19Speaker 05

  We totally, yeah, we totally know about those.

• 9:21Speaker 04

  I did not know there was a thread.

• 9:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:24Speaker 04

  The Phantom Thread.

• 9:25Speaker 05

  You said, you said you want to talk about white guys who love Asia. How about Germany in the 1930s?

• 9:30Speaker 04

  How about white guys that know nothing?

• 9:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  I don't know why my brain just went there, but I, it's really.

• 9:37Speaker 05

  That really shocked you. It really shook you.

• 9:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, I guess it makes sense, but like, how, why were they in cahoots?

• 9:46Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't understand the forces that brought all the powers to where they were in that situation. There was, I just learned though, and this maybe is me being a dumb guy. I didn't know there was like in the 90s, there was like a huge sweep of like specifically anti-Japanese sentiment in the United States. Did you know that?

• 10:02Speaker 04

  In the 90s?

• 10:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, because they, their production, there was like a big like Japanese scare in the 90s, I guess, of like politicians, like basically freaking out that their production was taking over. They were going to become like the new world power. And it was like a big, I'm reading this book right now called, um, How the Clock Broke. We'll put a cover of it right here in the video in the episode. The book is really good. Right here, put the cover there. The book is really good, but this is one of the things it talks about is like.

• 10:32Speaker 04

  Like Japanese technology and.

• 10:34Speaker 05

  Japanese technology, yeah. And like basically try, all the different ways that, um, our politics became like a huge joke. And like theater of absurdity in the 90s with like fucking like David Duke, like that, uh, KKK member who won a seat in Louisiana back then. Like it became this big thing where a bunch of politicians at first, people would be like, oh, you're insane. Isn't this funny? And then they got like real traction and how that obviously has led to where we are now. But yeah, I didn't know that.

• 11:02Speaker 04

  Speaking of KKK and skinheads, I need to talk about something that's on my mind right now. I just went and saw the movie Pillion.

• 11:09Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 11:10Speaker 04

  And this is also going to get me in trouble, which Mateo specifically said on the phone, walking here, please do not do anything. You in trouble?

• 11:19Speaker 05

  Mateo, Mateo, Mateo calling you before you go on other podcasts to be like, Nick, I am begging you.

• 11:25Speaker 04

  Literally, he was like, please do not say anything that's gonna get us in trouble. And I'm like, what else is new? So I just watched the movie Pillion. Are you familiar?

• 11:34Speaker 05

  I'm like, it's gay guys having rough sex or something, right?

• 11:36Speaker 04

  Okay, so it's Alexandra Skarsgård and the guy from Harry Potter.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  They, it's like this BDSM.

• 11:42Speaker 05

  Daniel Radcliffe?

• 11:43Speaker 04

  No, what's, he's the one that plays Dudley. He was also in Queen's Gambit.

• 11:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, Harry Melon.

• 11:50Speaker 04

  He was his cousin. Yes. So they're in this BDSM dom sub relationship.

• 11:55Speaker 05

  I don't like when someone asks for hitting. Hitting stresses me out.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  Right.

• 12:00Speaker 05

  In sex, I know some of my girlfriends like it, but I'm like, I don't wanna hit anybody. I don't wanna see anybody get hit. I don't like that.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, look, I tried one time with someone to do.

• 12:13Speaker 05

  Were you the hitter or the hitty?

• 12:14Speaker 04

  Not hit. I didn't try to do the hit, but it was very much like, I need to preface this with kinks where I exchanged beforehand, so I didn't know that this was happening. And the person that I was getting intimate with out of nowhere just goes, you like that, daddy?

• 12:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, that'll happen sometimes.

• 12:31Speaker 04

  I'm a stepmom at best.

• 12:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:38Speaker 04

  I mean, come on now.

• 12:39Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, yeah.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  A father, I'm not.

• 12:43Speaker 05

  The idea of someone calling you daddy is pretty insane to me.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  Crazy, but you know, I tried and I went with it and I said, good boy.

• 12:55Speaker 04

  And then it turned out that they weren't a boy and I didn't know their pronouns before. So then it just really derailed and I felt horrible.

• 13:04Speaker 05

  Wait, they were, they were not a boy? And then they were like, hey, don't, they were upset?

• 13:08Speaker 04

  Literally.

• 13:08Speaker 05

  That makes sense.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  They called me daddy and I was like, this is the dynamic they want.

• 13:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:13Speaker 04

  And I am a performer at the end of the day and I'm going to give them what they want. And I said,

• 13:20Speaker 04

  I said, that's a good boy. And they looked up at me and they go, I'm not a boy.

• 13:28Speaker 05

  Were they, were they she/her? Cause good girl would be easy. Or was it a they/them situation?

• 13:32Speaker 04

  They/them.

• 13:33Speaker 05

  That gets really tricky.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  So then I

• 13:35Speaker 05

  Cause then it's like, good kid is crazy.

• 13:36Speaker 04

  I already felt horrible. So then I didn't want to be like, well then, what do you want me to say? Because then I've already ruined the moment and I didn't want to ruin it further. So I was just like, let's just power through.

• 13:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 13:47Speaker 04

  It didn't work.

• 13:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's really tricky. This is why we have to be having conversations beforehand sometimes. I, that would be, yeah, that really sucks. Good girl. Well, good boy and good girl both work, but good, there's no good they.

• 13:58Speaker 04

  And be like, I'm gonna call them daddy.

• 14:01Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 14:02Speaker 04

  Anyone looking at me who's never even met, you've never even met me and I guarantee you thought that I was gonna send your kids to boarding school.

• 14:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. Calling you daddy is insane.

• 14:11Speaker 04

  There's nothing, nothing paternal about me.

• 14:14Speaker 05

  No, no, and it, yeah, it doesn't, um, yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me to call you daddy during that moment. They, they didn't, what did they want to, did they tell you what they wanted to be called?

• 14:24Speaker 04

  No.

• 14:24Speaker 05

  They didn't say, cause they were upset.

• 14:26Speaker 04

  They weren't upset. They, they politely corrected me, which again, they shouldn't have had to do. That's on me.

• 14:32Speaker 05

  No, it's, yeah, that's, this is a thing that happens when we don't talk beforehand. That's, nobody's fault.

• 14:36Speaker 04

  But I didn't want to like, make it uncomfortable because we were already sort of like in the moment. So I didn't want to be like, so tell me what you want.

• 14:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:44Speaker 04

  I, so.

• 14:45Speaker 05

  I've done a pronoun check in the middle of sex before.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  I, and I should have. I was so mortified that I've like offended this person every, so I was just like, I just got caught and I was like, I also was just still thrown that I looked like a daddy in this person's eyes.

• 15:02Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, I don't, maybe they thought it's what you wanted. I, I'm having a hard I'm having a hard, wanted. It's possible for you to want to be a daddy. You might want, you might be like, oh, I hope people see me as a daddy. It's just not.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  Wearing this sweater, you think I hope people see me as a daddy?

• 15:19Speaker 05

  I don't know. That's maybe what they were thinking. There's no chance that they thought of you as a daddy. I'm saying there has to be something so.

• 15:27Speaker 04

  Unless they, do I give butch vibes?

• 15:33Speaker 04

  Hear me out.

• 15:34Speaker 05

  I don't want to do this.

• 15:35Speaker 04

  No, hear me out.

• 15:36Speaker 05

  Look, I know it's a podcast and we're having fun. I don't want to do this.

• 15:39Speaker 04

  No, we're going there.

• 15:40Speaker 05

  You know that you're not, come on.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  That, how long have we been recording for? And we've talked about skinheads.

• 15:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  White men into Asia.

• 15:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:50Speaker 04

  World War II cahoot dynamics.

• 15:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  We're gonna go there. Am I giving a little butch? Because this person felt like they could say daddy. So maybe.

• 16:04Speaker 04

  Am I giving daddy?

• 16:07Speaker 05

  Nick, no, I'm sorry.

• 16:09Speaker 04

  Ignore the sweater.

• 16:11Speaker 05

  The sweater is like, not even in the top 100 parts of the problem. No, you're not.

• 16:15Speaker 04

  Come on now.

• 16:16Speaker 05

  You're not giving butch. Now, come on now, would go ahead and be part of what I'm talking about. You know that you're not giving butch. You're baiting me and I don't want to do this today.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  But someone specifically called me daddy, which I did not ask for. So they must have thought in some capacity that I was giving daddy.

• 16:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. Maybe, I don't, maybe, I'm trying to make, I'm trying to square this.

• 16:41Speaker 04

  Is this a new thing that I should explore?

• 16:43Speaker 05

  I would be really, by the way, I would be really open to you exploring.

• 16:47Speaker 04

  I just bought two leather blouses from Zara.

• 16:51Speaker 05

  Tell me what you think that means.

• 16:56Speaker 05

  Tell me what you think leather blouses from Zara means for your daddy journey.

• 17:01Speaker 04

  Maybe I venture into leather daddy.

• 17:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  But they are pleather and they're short sleeved and button up.

• 17:09Speaker 05

  And they're from Zara.

• 17:10Speaker 04

  And the one is green.

• 17:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, so you're gonna look like one of the sexy M and Ms before you look like a leather daddy.

• 17:19Speaker 04

  But hear me out.

• 17:20Speaker 05

  I'm hearing you out.

• 17:22Speaker 04

  The red M and M is kinda giving daddy.

• 17:24Speaker 05

  No, it's not, but.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  The yellow is giving sub. He's walking around with nut in him? Come on now.

• 17:31Speaker 05

  That's very funny and true. What do you want to give for real? What are you actually giving?

• 17:37Speaker 04

  I don't want to give daddy. I just want to be clear. I don't want to give daddy.

• 17:39Speaker 05

  I know you don't.

• 17:40Speaker 04

  I'm just saying that maybe this is a side of me that I didn't know that I had.

• 17:44Speaker 05

  You think you're gonna explore it?

• 17:46Speaker 04

  Well, I don't necessarily want to explore it because I don't want to give daddy, obviously.

• 17:50Speaker 05

  Right, okay.

• 17:51Speaker 04

  But if someone felt the need to say.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  I'm sorry that I keep looking over here, but it just feels weird not to look at people that are in the room.

• 18:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:01Speaker 04

  And I know that I'm supposed to be looking at you, so I apologize.

• 18:05Speaker 05

  No, when you're talking about this, feel free to look at them. Look wherever you need to.

• 18:08Speaker 04

  Uncomfortable as possible. If someone looked at me in the heat of the moment and said daddy, it must have been for a reason that they were getting daddy. So maybe that's a side of me that I didn't know I was giving. Do you, have you ever been around me and been like, wow, Nick's giving daddy?

• 18:27Speaker 05

  Nick?

• 18:30Speaker 05

  No.

• 18:30Speaker 04

  You can say no, I'm not trying to bait, that's a genuine question.

• 18:33Speaker 05

  No, but you know, I haven't, you know what I mean? Like you know, I've never been around you and thought daddy, you know that. I've been around you and thought like, this guy might-

• 18:41Speaker 04

  Mommy.

• 18:42Speaker 05

  No, like cousin that I'm happy to see at an event every once in a while, or like-

• 18:56Speaker 05

  Or like girl, girl in gym class that I felt allied with.

• 19:05Speaker 05

  You know, it's not, there's no paternal maternal.

• 19:18Speaker 05

  Do you know what I mean?

• 19:20Speaker 04

  This is crazy that I find out publicly you don't like me. This is crazy that I am finding out in front of thousands of people.

• 19:31Speaker 05

  Hundreds of thousands.

• 19:32Speaker 04

  Being around, hundreds of thousand, millions maybe.

• 19:36Speaker 05

  Millions maybe.

• 19:38Speaker 04

  That you don't like being around.

• 19:39Speaker 05

  I'm saying if you force me-

• 19:40Speaker 04

  You can't backtrack now.

• 19:41Speaker 05

  I'm saying if you force me to put you into a family dynamic, I'm gonna make you my cousin that I don't get to see that often, but that I'm happy when it happens. I'm not gonna make you one of my parents. My dad's dead and my mom's butchering you.

• 19:58Speaker 05

  You know what I mean?

• 20:00Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 20:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:02Speaker 04

  How did we get here?

• 20:03Speaker 05

  How did we get here? Uh, you, you dead naming a bottom. I was trying to talk about dating a long time ago. Yeah. And then we got really 15 folds deep.

• 20:14Speaker 04

  Well, that, don't look at me.

• 20:15Speaker 05

  No, that's what the podcast is. What is going on with dating? Are you going on dates at all?

• 20:19Speaker 04

  No. So one of my New Year's resolutions, which I am also going to say, a lot of people have New Year's resolutions and they don't stick to them. I've been really good about it. Part of my New Year's resolutions was to be healthier. I have worked out every week this year so far.

• 20:37Speaker 05

  Awesome. What kind of working every week through me, but what, what kind of?

• 20:41Speaker 04

  Well, multiple times a week, but not every day.

• 20:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:43Speaker 04

  But like a couple of times a week.

• 20:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:45Speaker 04

  I went 34 years, never working out once in my life.

• 20:48Speaker 05

  You're doing yoga or Pilates?

• 20:49Speaker 04

  Pilates. I can't do yoga because you're not allowed to talk.

• 20:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's not good for you. You're not going to be quiet in there.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  I tried one yoga class back in college and I started talking and they go, sweetie, this isn't for you.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  And I said, you're right. You're right. Um, so I've been doing Pilates.

• 21:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:06Speaker 04

  I'm not good, but I'm doing, I'm getting my body moving. I've been eating healthier. So I'm really sticking to my New Year's resolutions. Except I said that I wanted to date more. I haven't been on one date.

• 21:17Speaker 05

  Go on a date.

• 21:19Speaker 04

  Well, I don't get matches to go on dates.

• 21:22Speaker 05

  You, I, we were working on the profile. Are you do, are you using premium yet? Did we talk about that?

• 21:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 21:28Speaker 05

  Hinge premium?

• 21:29Speaker 04

  I'm not paying for it.

• 21:30Speaker 05

  You need to. I don't know what to tell you because it's better because the frustrating thing about.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  I can't even on the free version, get people to match me.

• 21:37Speaker 05

  You're looking at it the wrong way. You're going like, oh, even on the free version, I can't get it. When in fact, it's the opposite. The easier thing is to, you'll see the likes that you get on premiums. You don't have to fucking swipe all the time. You can just go, oh, that person liked me. I'm into it. Date. You know what I'm saying?

• 21:52Speaker 04

  Uh huh. I mean. I've had this conversation with you in the past at our lunch.

• 21:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  And I talked about it on our podcast, but I will say, I think I'm a very self-aware person for the most part, and I'm aware, I'm a very specific person. So I feel like my pool of prospects is very limited. So I've come to terms with, I might not find anyone. And there's nothing wrong with that.

• 22:20Speaker 05

  There is nothing, I don't think that's your story, but there is nothing wrong with

• 22:23Speaker 04

  I think I've just come to terms with, I'm very specific.

• 22:27Speaker 05

  You are.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  There are some people who are palatable to the masses.

• 22:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  To quote Elphaba, I'm not that girl.

• 22:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 04

  And it's like, because my pool is very specific, the odds of me finding someone in that already limited pool is very limited. So it might not happen.

• 22:51Speaker 05

  I understand what you're saying. I don't agree. I think, yes, you're a specific person. Many specific people find a partnership. But I also wonder, do you act, do you care that much? Like, do you want it?

• 23:03Speaker 04

  I love being in a relationship. I would love to be in a relationship. I do not like the precursor of finding it. Like, I don't like to date. I don't like dates. I don't like.

• 23:19Speaker 05

  What?

• 23:19Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna say that. I don't.

• 23:21Speaker 05

  You don't like what? Come on, tell us.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Getting to know people.

• 23:28Speaker 05

  I don't think that's true.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  No, hear me out. I like, hmm.

• 23:33Speaker 05

  We've spent like the last like two years getting to know each other, and I feel like we've had a great time.

• 23:36Speaker 04

  No, it's the first part of dating. Like, so, where are you from? Oh, how many siblings do you have? If I could fast forward three months into knowing someone, so it's effortless, easy banter.

• 23:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  That's the sweet spot. But it's the like, finding out all the like, things you have to know about someone that I just can't stand any of that. So I don't do it.

• 23:59Speaker 05

  Well, what do you do with new friends? You make new friends pretty often, I feel like.

• 24:05Speaker 05

  And why does that not feel painful? Why don't you just do it the way you do new friends?

• 24:08Speaker 04

  I don't feel like I make new friends often. Or if I do, it's because I'm being introduced by a mutual friend.

• 24:18Speaker 05

  But in the times that you've made new friends in like the last 10 years?

• 24:21Speaker 04

  Right.

• 24:21Speaker 05

  Anyone who's come into your life, and I know a lot of people have come into your life in the last 10 years. What, after you get introduced, that part is like totally, it would be great if someone could just introduce you to a romantic partner. But after the introduction, when you're hanging out for the first time, second time, et cetera, does it feel painful to learn about their siblings and where they're from and their hobbies and all the things that you need to learn about them to know them?

• 24:42Speaker 04

  A little.

• 24:43Speaker 05

  Really? So that, that across the board is something.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  And not that, not that I'm like, I don't care. I just find it like.

• 24:51Speaker 05

  Tedious.

• 24:52Speaker 04

  Tedious, like I wish I already knew that information so that we could get down to more like nitty gritty fun.

• 25:00Speaker 04

  Interesting stuff.

• 25:01Speaker 05

  You could make a game of it. You could make a little flirting bit out of it. You could, if you match with someone that you think is like cute and maybe interesting, you could be like, hey, why don't you just send me, why don't you just send me all the boring details so that when we go out next week, we can get into the fun stuff? There's like maybe a cute 40, wouldn't that be kind of cute and flirty? I think that'd be kind of fun. I would like that if someone did that. If someone was like, why don't you just tell me how many siblings you have, where you're from, what you studied, what you do for work? Just send me maybe like a document and I'll send you mine. And then when we, when we meet up next week, we can just like have, get into the fun stuff. I think there's a cute way to do that.

• 25:34Speaker 04

  Now, I hear you and I don't mean any offense by this statement, but this is coming from someone who sent a questionnaire after a date that famously did not go well.

• 25:45Speaker 05

  It went so bad.

• 25:47Speaker 04

  I mean, so.

• 25:48Speaker 05

  It went so bad.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  I hear you.

• 25:51Speaker 05

  But that was one time and my.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  Have you done it since?

• 25:55Speaker 05

  Not that particular, I've done a version of that bit.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 25:57Speaker 05

  I have a lot, I have some texting bits that I like to do in dating that involve reviews, but I've definitely changed the approach to the review bit. Cause the Google doc was a lot of work on my part and he was pretty honest in a way that I was like, that wasn't cute or funny. He gave me like a three on something, you know what I mean? It's like, don't pick three.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:14Speaker 05

  Pick five or one, even one would be funny. No, I'm, I would say in the big scheme of my cute flirting though, that's like one flop. It's mostly wins.

• 26:23Speaker 04

  Can I ask, would you prefer a friend introduce you to a potential romantic partner? Or find them? Through an app.

• 26:32Speaker 05

  I'd rather find them some other way. I actually don't want a friend to introduce me to my partner.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:36Speaker 05

  I don't want, I don't want the messiness of it. I don't want the like, this is my best friend from college and we have 12 years of history. If things go weird between you two, I'm gonna have to make some choices.

• 26:45Speaker 04

  And I don't like that either.

• 26:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:47Speaker 04

  My friend Bob is relentlessly trying to set me up with people.

• 26:53Speaker 05

  I would take, I would accept it, by the way. I do think you should go on the date.

• 26:56Speaker 04

  I tried at one time and the person was like, no.

• 27:00Speaker 05

  What do you mean? What do you mean they were like, no?

• 27:03Speaker 04

  They just stopped messaging.

• 27:06Speaker 05

  What?

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Bob connected us.

• 27:08Speaker 05

  Connected you guys? Yeah.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  We chatted a little. And then they just stopped messaging back.

• 27:16Speaker 05

  I would need to know so much about.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  I'll tell you off camera.

• 27:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  Um, but I would prefer not to be set up because I, I think it's a weird dynamic.

• 27:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:26Speaker 04

  But okay, so you've met someone a different way. What is your ideal first date?

• 27:32Speaker 05

  Ideal first date? I actually don't like to go too cutesy on the first date. I, because to me, a first date is so, who knows? And so I try to save my cuter date ideas for like, third, fourth, like when we're like really like.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  When you know each other a little bit.

• 27:46Speaker 05

  We're, we're making effort to see, because if we're going on a third date, like I'm always out of town. I'm always busy. So like, if we're going on a third date, it's like, we're moving shit around at this point. Like, we're really working on this. So a first date really would be like, it's like a weeknight and I have plans later in the evening. And we have an early evening drink or coffee situation.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  Forty-five minutes is the plan. And then if it goes well, maybe the thing I have to go to afterwards is something they can come to. Or maybe I have a two-hour buffer before the next thing and we can like go to a second location. But I like. I like to have an easy out. I like to be like, I have something to do after this and it's soon. You know what I mean?

• 28:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:30Speaker 05

  Cause if it's not a vibe, it's like, I'm not wasting my whole evening on this.

• 28:34Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 28:34Speaker 05

  Good, great to get to know you. Had a good time. I'll pay for the drinks and we gotta go. But I don't want to do, yeah, not a big involved crazy first date.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Save it for once you know them.

• 28:45Speaker 05

  Save it once you know them. And also if a first date's going really, really well, I have on many occasions canceled my thing afterwards. To be like, let's extend the first date.

• 28:53Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 28:53Speaker 05

  I've turned a 45 minute drinks into a six hour first date because it was going great. That, I love that.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 28:59Speaker 05

  But it's nice to have that like, it's almost like putting a trip on your calendar and not knowing if you're going to get to go or not. It's like the, you'll know how bad you want to go on the trip or do the thing that would keep you away from the trip based on what your decision is. And so it's like, if I plan something exciting for after a first date and I want to cancel it because the thing is going so well. The date is going so well, then that means I should because it, you know what I mean? It's like the feeling will tell you what you need to know.

• 29:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:24Speaker 05

  But yeah, a good, a good little 45 minute drinks is a nice move.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  Okay. And is it in those 45 minutes, have you already texted all of the like, where are you from and everything? Or do you like to save that for the date?

• 29:35Speaker 05

  To me, that's the point of a first date. It's like, it's an appointment. It's like the, I'm not, I, I don't want to talk on a dating app for more than like a day. I want to talk for like a day and then be like, when are we meeting up?

• 29:50Speaker 05

  You want to go, you really want to go long on the messages.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  Because I don't, again, I don't go on that many dates ever, but it's like, I would rather figure that all out via messaging before I'm going to spend time to meet you in person.

• 30:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:08Speaker 04

  I don't know. Maybe that's the wrong mindset to have.

• 30:10Speaker 05

  I don't think wrong mindset. I just also think if it's something you want, I want to, I want to see it for you. But if it's also something that you're like, like I would say, I didn't spend most of my twenties really dating with any intention. Cause I was like, I just have a lot of fun hanging out with my friends and I don't really need that. And then at the end of my twenties, I was like, oh man, I really, I really, I really, my friends are getting into relationships or I was like, actually just hanging out with my friends forever is not going to cut it.

• 30:34Speaker 04

  So maybe I'll get there then in the end of my twenties.

• 30:37Speaker 05

  Maybe at the end of your twenties. I mean, you're so like, yeah, you're 23 right now and like.

• 30:41Speaker 04

  I'm fresh.

• 30:42Speaker 05

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• 30:44Speaker 04

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• 30:45Speaker 05

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• 34:17Speaker 04

  Let's practice. Ask me a question. On a date? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're on your 45 minute.

• 34:21Speaker 05

  You want to do?

• 34:22Speaker 04

  Okay, just ask me a question. It doesn't need to play a whole scene. Just ask me a question.

• 34:25Speaker 05

  So you've done it with Mateo and now you want to try it with me?

• 34:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, because maybe I'm only combative with him.

• 34:29Speaker 05

  Okay. Okay. So where are you from?

• 34:33Speaker 04

  Pennsylvania.

• 34:34Speaker 05

  Nice. What part?

• 34:36Speaker 04

  North of Scranton, a very small town of only 700. My dad happens to be the mayor.

• 34:41Speaker 05

  Your dad's the mayor?

• 34:42Speaker 04

  He is.

• 34:43Speaker 05

  Whoa. Republican or Democrat?

• 34:45Speaker 04

  Democrat, but wins both the tickets because no one else runs against him.

• 34:49Speaker 05

  Damn, that's cool. Do you go back very often?

• 34:51Speaker 04

  No.

• 34:54Speaker 05

  So there's a lot. I could just, I could just say from the jump, there's a lot of dead end answers.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 35:00Speaker 05

  And it might be helpful. And it might be helpful to return the question.

• 35:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I hear that.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  We're early in this.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  No, we're early. Okay.

• 35:05Speaker 05

  So we're warming up.

• 35:06Speaker 04

  I hear that.

• 35:06Speaker 05

  Um, oh, that's really cool.

• 35:08Speaker 04

  Where are you from?

• 35:09Speaker 05

  Uh, Missouri.

• 35:10Speaker 04

  What part?

• 35:11Speaker 05

  A really small town north of Kansas City.

• 35:13Speaker 04

  When you say small, how small?

• 35:14Speaker 05

  Not as small as yours. It like, um.

• 35:16Speaker 04

  So it's not small?

• 35:17Speaker 05

  So that would be a, that's where I would.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  So it gets combative. I don't know.

• 35:22Speaker 05

  That's what would be where I would stop you.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 35:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I hear that now.

• 35:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:26Speaker 04

  I do. I hear that.

• 35:26Speaker 05

  That would be where I would stop you.

• 35:28Speaker 04

  I thought that that was being like fun and playful.

• 35:30Speaker 05

  I would go for connection over distance.

• 35:32Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 35:33Speaker 05

  On a first date.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  So how small?

• 35:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:39Speaker 04

  No, that was better. Now come on now.

• 35:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was, it's like, uh, like five, 5,000 people.

• 35:43Speaker 04

  Okay, that is small.

• 35:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Do you know the mayor?

• 35:46Speaker 05

  Uh, I actually don't remember who the mayor was, but I'm trying to think of who the mayor was when I was growing up. I, it's funny because we moved a lot when I was a kid. So I have like different pieces of information about different small towns that we lived in.

• 35:59Speaker 04

  Was your parents in the military? Is that why you moved around?

• 36:02Speaker 05

  No, we were just poor.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  That was a good question, right?

• 36:04Speaker 05

  That was a really good question.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm learning.

• 36:06Speaker 05

  And that was a really good question because also the odds were pretty good that you were going to be right. When someone says they moved a lot, it's often military.

• 36:12Speaker 04

  Right.

• 36:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:13Speaker 04

  So connection.

• 36:14Speaker 05

  Really good. Really good, Nick.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  I'm fucking nailing this.

• 36:18Speaker 05

  Yeah. What, okay, so what, so we, I think we kind of just now mastered like the.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  Not being so combative.

• 36:24Speaker 05

  We mastered not being so combative. We mastered sending a question back to the other person. Why don't you initiate? Why don't you initiate now with me? Like I'm on the date with you. Initiate, um, like something playful. You said you hate small talk. You hate to get into know each other.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  Small talk.

• 36:38Speaker 05

  So initiate to me something that would be more interesting to you. We've moved past the small talk. We know everything about each other now.

• 36:44Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 36:45Speaker 05

  Initiate something that you'd like to talk about.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 36:48Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 36:51Speaker 05

  The steak is so good.

• 36:58Speaker 05

  It's really, really good steak.

• 37:03Speaker 05

  God, I can't get over how good this steak is.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  Our steak's from Kansas.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  What'd you say?

• 37:11Speaker 04

  What's that company with the steaks?

• 37:14Speaker 05

  You're talking about Omaha?

• 37:16Speaker 04

  Nebraska.

• 37:17Speaker 05

  Nebraska, yeah.

• 37:18Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 37:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:20Speaker 04

  But they have ranches in Kansas, right?

• 37:22Speaker 05

  Totally, yeah. I bet there are some really good steaks.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  Have you been on a ranch?

• 37:27Speaker 05

  Sorry, let's take time.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  No, that was inquisitive and good.

• 37:33Speaker 05

  No, it was the way you were looking at me. It was the way you were looking at me. Have you been on a ranch and then kind of...

• 37:40Speaker 05

  The walk-in was really scary. Yeah, okay, yeah, but that's the kind of stuff you're dying to get to?

• 37:47Speaker 04

  No.

• 37:48Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  But you initiated with the steak, so I was trying to play...

• 37:51Speaker 05

  I was just killing time. Okay, you're right, you're right.

• 37:52Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm gonna initiate, I'm gonna initiate.

• 37:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 37:56Speaker 04

  If you...

• 37:57Speaker 05

  I can't say that. Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. Go with your gut. It's good. We can learn from it.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  Okay, if you...

• 38:04Speaker 05

  You have to. You have to. This is how we learn. There could be other people out there who need to hear this. Go ahead.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  I'm gonna go with my gut. It's the first thing that popped in my mind.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  If you were gonna die tomorrow...

• 38:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm gonna stop you there.

• 38:18Speaker 04

  No, hold on. No, hear me out.

• 38:20Speaker 05

  Okay, I will. I will.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  If you were gonna die tomorrow, what would be your perfect final day?

• 38:26Speaker 05

  Oh, actually, I like that. Yeah, I like that. Can we make some noise for that?

• 38:30Speaker 04

  Maybe I could have phrased it differently.

• 38:32Speaker 05

  Yeah. I think you could just say, what's your perfect day?

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Sure, not bring up death.

• 38:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, but also you could bring up death. I just think perfect day would probably be just as interesting.

• 38:40Speaker 04

  Okay, okay. If you... What's your perfect day if you were gonna die tomorrow?

• 38:45Speaker 05

  Okay, yeah. And then I would answer, that's a really good initiation.

• 38:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 38:49Speaker 05

  Okay, try another one.

• 38:53Speaker 04

  Now, all I can think about is what would your last meal be? I don't, I'm focused on death right now.

• 38:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, death is kind of.

• 39:00Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 39:01Speaker 05

  Get out of the way. Blah, think about life.

• 39:03Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 39:03Speaker 05

  Think about life. We're getting death out.

• 39:05Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 39:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  I do ask this question.

• 39:07Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  You go to an airport tomorrow. Money is not an option or not a.

• 39:14Speaker 05

  Object.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  Object. Where would you go?

• 39:18Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm going to the airport and I'm just picking a location.

• 39:21Speaker 04

  You can go anywhere. Money doesn't matter. Where would you go?

• 39:25Speaker 05

  Okay. Do I get to stay as long as I want?

• 39:27Speaker 04

  You can do whatever you want. Stay as long. Nothing matters. You can just go wherever you want.

• 39:32Speaker 05

  God, in this moment, it's so cold in New York right now. I feel like I would probably go somewhere warm.

• 39:36Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 39:37Speaker 05

  So I'm going to say we're narrowing down to warm spots right now because Asia is really big on my list this year. Genuinely, I know after everything we said, I know, but just we're on it. It's a fake date. I really want to go to Tokyo really badly. I've never been, but I don't want to go right now. So I, warm places that I'd like to go right now. Maybe I'd go to.

• 39:59Speaker 05

  Like the south of Spain, like southern Spain or.

• 40:04Speaker 05

  It depends because I think if I went somewhere closer, I could get friends to go with me.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:09Speaker 05

  So maybe I'd go, I'd go somewhere like I'd just go to Florida or something. If I could get friends, I'd get a bunch of friends to go with me because I can't.

• 40:16Speaker 04

  You go to the airport tomorrow and you could go anywhere and you chose Florida.

• 40:21Speaker 05

  You can't do, you can, you can do that to me on the podcast. You can't do that to me on a date.

• 40:25Speaker 04

  Why? That's fun and playful.

• 40:26Speaker 05

  No, on a date, you gotta go with it. You gotta be excited because it's a first date.

• 40:29Speaker 04

  No, it's like, it's like ribbing you. That's like fun to do.

• 40:33Speaker 05

  Okay, go, go, go for your ribbing me. Go to, you would go to Florida.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're going to the, so just, just to be clear, you brought up Japan, which I'm not going to lie, a little concerning.

• 40:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Southern Spain. And then you settled on anywhere in the world you could fly to, you chose Florida.

• 40:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, because we didn't say in the rules that anyone else could also make it work. Are we living in a land where any, are we living in a world of reality where any of my friends can also go? I thought I made it pretty clear at the beginning. There were no objects or rules. It was just. So again, this is an energy that would be really a huge turn off. This would be a huge turn off.

• 41:11Speaker 00

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon swirl bite?

• 41:14Speaker 00

  Uh, Taylor Hanson? Sure, I'll try one.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Mmm.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

• 41:22Speaker 00

  But Taylor Hanson's making my day way better with these new soft and swirly King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Taylor Hanson? Nice.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Try one.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 41:33Speaker 00

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites. There's nothing like it.

• 41:42Speaker 05

  I'm so sorry. That would be a huge turn off to me. Okay. If you ever said on a date to me that you thought you made it pretty clear about something, I would, I would absolutely be so turned off. I'm gonna be single forever. No, you're not. Cause I also wasn't showing up as my best self in that interaction. Okay. So. Guess what I did? I didn't live in a world of possibility. Blame to share. There's definitely blame to share. Okay, so it's not just me. No, it's not just you. In this moment, I did not show up in my best in that interaction. Okay. Where in Florida?

• 42:15Speaker 05

  That's great. That's really great. Where in Florida? Oh God, I don't know. I just think it would be so easy to get a big house in Florida. Where, what about the Keys? The Florida Keys? Okay, I've never been. I heard it's gay. It's very gay. I've heard, I've also never been. Is that where they made key lime pie? Yes. Huh. Look how good this is. I don't like key lime pie. See, that would be a problem, right? That would be, that would be, cause it's not necessarily that, it's not a problem that you don't like key lime pie. Do you guys agree with me that that would be weird to say right there? I don't like key lime pie is like. Don't pressure them. That's okay. They don't think it's weird. Well, cause I'm not questioning myself on that one. But I do think I'm right that like. Maybe if I say it differently. Okay. Did you say? Is that where they made key lime pie? Yeah, yeah, I think that's where it was invented.

• 42:59Speaker 05

  You know, I've never really liked key lime pie. That's, yes, that's exactly correct. Yeah. I'm fucking nailing this. This is crazy. That's the difference though. Did you feel that? Sure. Big energy shift. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's different than. What's your favorite pie? Yes. Let's go. What do you do for Thanksgiving? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is good. I actually don't like Thanksgiving. That, so again, that

• 43:27Speaker 04

  I'm more of a Christmas person.

• 43:29Speaker 05

  Yeah-ish.

• 43:31Speaker 04

  No.

• 43:31Speaker 05

  It's just gonna be too many in a row.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  Where are you, Christmas?

• 43:38Speaker 05

  It's again about too many things you don't like, I think.

• 43:40Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 43:41Speaker 05

  That might be

• 43:41Speaker 04

  Focusing on the negative.

• 43:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:44Speaker 05

  Like, if you don't care, if you don't like Thanksgiving and don't want to hear about it, maybe start by asking something else.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 43:50Speaker 05

  You know, instead of going down, everything can't be a road to what you don't like.

• 43:54Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 43:55Speaker 05

  You know? I do want to go to Japan.

• 43:57Speaker 04

  We talked about this.

• 43:58Speaker 05

  I know.

• 43:59Speaker 04

  I do too. I just can't do a flight that long.

• 44:01Speaker 05

  I know, it's really hard.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  I don't fit on planes.

• 44:03Speaker 05

  Nor, you don't have to tell me about it, brother.

• 44:05Speaker 04

  It's just like, when you're tall, you're limited.

• 44:08Speaker 05

  Try being fat. Try being tall and fat. And I'm telling you, I'm uncomfortable no matter what. I'm even in those pods. I'm up there. I'm buying the nicest seats they got, and it's not getting much better.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  Right? And it's like 16 hours or something?

• 44:20Speaker 05

  It's quite a bit better, but.

• 44:22Speaker 04

  I can't, I can't do that.

• 44:24Speaker 05

  It's too long. I get bored. And people are like, oh, just watch movies. I'm like, do what you would do on the ground. I'm like, no, it's not the same. It's the freedom. I feel boxed in. I feel like I'm in prison.

• 44:33Speaker 04

  I feel boxed in.

• 44:34Speaker 05

  I feel caged.

• 44:36Speaker 04

  Like a caged animal.

• 44:37Speaker 05

  Because you know what I can do on the ground? Go somewhere else.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 44:40Speaker 05

  Even if I don't, I could.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  And you will.

• 44:42Speaker 05

  And I will. And the food, I can't, it's like, stuck on there for 16 hours and the only option I have for a meal is what they're serving? Yuck. I can bring some stuff, but it's not gonna be, it's not gonna be right.

• 44:52Speaker 04

  That I don't mind. But food is not super important to me.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  See, it's really important to me.

• 44:57Speaker 04

  I eat the same thing every day.

• 44:59Speaker 05

  You do. Dunkin' every morning.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  Dunkin' every morning, Chipotle every lunch. I've been getting, um, healthy meals delivered to me.

• 45:07Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah? Like the ones Mateo does?

• 45:09Speaker 04

  No.

• 45:09Speaker 05

  Different ones?

• 45:10Speaker 04

  Different.

• 45:11Speaker 05

  What are, what are they?

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Factor.

• 45:12Speaker 05

  You're doing Factor?

• 45:13Speaker 04

  I'm doing Factor. He has like a whole, like, trainer thing.

• 45:17Speaker 05

  What's, how's Factor going? Do you like it?

• 45:20Speaker 04

  I do. I will say it's, it's an adjustment because it's not a lot of food.

• 45:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:27Speaker 04

  Normally, I only eat twice a day. I eat Chipotle for lunch and a big bowl, and then I eat a big dinner. And because the Factor meals are much smaller portions and healthy food, also.

• 45:39Speaker 04

  If you want people to eat healthy, we have to make it taste better.

• 45:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, there are. You have to. Yeah, it's finding the healthy things that you actually like, that you can eat a lot of.

• 45:51Speaker 04

  Right. And I'm not saying that factor doesn't taste good. Like, I have found things that taste good. It's just not a lot of food. So it's been an adjustment because I'll eat it and then I'm starving after still.

• 46:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:02Speaker 04

  And now that I'm a fitness person.

• 46:04Speaker 05

  You're a fitness person. You're doing Pilates. You're.

• 46:09Speaker 04

  I just tried an arm workout with Bob the other day.

• 46:12Speaker 05

  How was it?

• 46:15Speaker 05

  Was the arm workout itself? Or was it working out with Bob? Like, what was the?

• 46:20Speaker 04

  I love spending time with Bob.

• 46:22Speaker 05

  But you liked working out with Bob?

• 46:23Speaker 04

  No.

• 46:24Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 46:25Speaker 04

  Well, I don't. I will never like to work out.

• 46:27Speaker 05

  Right.

• 46:27Speaker 04

  Like, I do Pilates. I don't love to do it, but I just do it because I have to.

• 46:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:33Speaker 04

  But like, I don't like gyms. I don't particularly like the vibe or environment in a gym. I don't really like moving my body in that way.

• 46:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:43Speaker 04

  No. I'm not going to focus on the negative.

• 46:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:48Speaker 04

  Working out isn't for me.

• 46:50Speaker 05

  That's, that's, that's not not focusing on the negative, but I think that one's okay. I don't think I would bring it up on a first date, but yeah.

• 46:56Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 46:56Speaker 05

  That, yeah. It's just more about like the things you love. Like, what, what do you like? Do you, is there a way that you like to move your body? Like, do you like to go on long walks? Do you like to?

• 47:05Speaker 04

  I love to walk.

• 47:06Speaker 05

  This is great. This is, this is.

• 47:08Speaker 04

  I love to walk.

• 47:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  Where? Do you like to go to the park? Do you just like to walk? Like?

• 47:17Speaker 04

  Honestly, just walk.

• 47:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, just like walk to your next thing or whatever.

• 47:20Speaker 04

  Or wherever, just go for a walk.

• 47:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's nice.

• 47:23Speaker 04

  That's honestly, most of my first dates are just like, let's just go grab a coffee and walk around.

• 47:27Speaker 05

  I love that as a first date. I think that's so fun.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's about the only movement that I get. Is walking. Walking is the best movement you can get. And now Pilates. I think. And now Pilates. Right. Running is actually randomly like so bad for you. I'm not running. I would like to. I want to get this thing that people are talking about. I don't do. I've tried a couple of times. All I did was hurt my back and my legs, but. I tried track one time growing up and I got shin splints immediately and I only scored one point. And my mother said she had never been more embarrassed of me in my life, her life. And I did musical theater, so that's saying something. Your mom said that? She did. In her defense, I was embarrassingly bad. I limped around the track. The whole audience had to wait for me to finish before they could set up the next event. That's okay.

• 48:15Speaker 04

  And I don't know why I joined because I don't run. Yeah. But I did it because I thought the shorts were cute. Yeah. And they are. And I was straight at the time. They're cute. How long were you straight? Till college. I had a girlfriend in high school. Really? Yeah. And where is she? Married with two kids. Shout out Brittany. Brittany, thank you, girl. Did you guys? She's a nurse practitioner. She's really doing the thing. Did you guys stay? I picked out her prom dress when we went to prom. I, I knew that. Did you guys stay together when you went to college or was it over by then? No, it was over by then. Oh, got it. Okay. I came to college here in the city and basically came out that year. Yeah. And she, did she come to the city too, or did she go somewhere else or? She was a year older. She stayed in Pennsylvania, went to college there. Oh, nice. Yeah.

• 49:00Speaker 04

  Shout out Brittany. Yeah, shout out Brittany. She really, her life is great. Have you seen her recently? I haven't. We message each other, I mean, like once in a blue moon, but I mean, we follow each other on socials. She really, her, she has wonderful kids, wonderful husband, a great job. They just bought a huge house. Whoa. She's really doing the thing. Damn, you should have her on your podcast. I should. That'd be a great interview. I did. I chose her prom dress. It was floral and beautiful and. Do you stand by it to this day? A hundred percent. Yeah, it was a great dress. Yeah, yeah. I don't stand by what I wore, but. What'd you wear? It was like a light gray tux. I looked like Pee Wee Herman. But I had Zac, I had Zac Efron's sort of high school musical hair.

• 49:43Speaker 05

  No, you did not.

• 49:43Speaker 04

  I was obsessed with High School Musical.

• 49:45Speaker 05

  Oh, my god.

• 49:45Speaker 04

  I went and saw it nine times in theaters.

• 49:48Speaker 05

  That's also a tell, yeah.

• 49:49Speaker 04

  And I stole the decorations from the movie theater to decorate my locker.

• 49:54Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 49:57Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 49:57Speaker 04

  Should I bring that up on a first date?

• 49:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think that's actually pretty fun.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:01Speaker 05

  I thought, don't you guys, I would like to hear that. I think that's nice.

• 50:03Speaker 04

  So you'd rather hear that than things I don't like?

• 50:09Speaker 05

  Totally. Totally. And also, anything, anything weird or kind of, anything, yeah, things that are, things you did as a kid are far enough in the past that it's like, yeah, if it's really silly, like going and seeing that movie nine times. Like, if you told me right now that you had gone and seen like the latest teen movie nine times last week and you stole the decorations for your house.

• 50:30Speaker 04

  You'd be concerned.

• 50:31Speaker 05

  Be different, right? But things you did as a high schooler, like, oh, that's funny. That's cute. Nick, I have a game for you. I'm gonna read you 15 statements. You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false. If you get 10 or more correct, we're gonna give you 50 US dollars.

• 50:45Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 50:46Speaker 05

  You ready to play?

• 50:46Speaker 04

  I'm pretty good at true and false.

• 50:47Speaker 05

  I believe you, actually. You ready?

• 50:49Speaker 04

  I'm ready.

• 50:50Speaker 05

  Sometimes people say that and I'm like, I don't know, but I actually think you're gonna be good at this. Okay, Judy Garland's real name was Irene Morgan.

• 50:56Speaker 04

  False.

• 50:56Speaker 05

  False. Frances Gumm. Dwayne Reed is older than Walgreens.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  True.

• 51:00Speaker 05

  False. The Green Bay Packers won the first ever Super Bowl.

• 51:04Speaker 04

  What?

• 51:05Speaker 05

  The Green Bay Packers won the first ever Super Bowl.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  False.

• 51:08Speaker 05

  True. The human circulatory system is over 60,000 miles long.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  False.

• 51:13Speaker 05

  True.

• 51:13Speaker 04

  What?

• 51:14Speaker 05

  The baby on The Simpsons is named Maggie.

• 51:16Speaker 04

  True.

• 51:17Speaker 05

  True. New Milford, Pennsylvania has a population of 1,100 people.

• 51:21Speaker 04

  False.

• 51:22Speaker 05

  False, it's 812. Blue whales are the largest animals that have ever lived on Earth.

• 51:26Speaker 04

  True.

• 51:27Speaker 05

  True. RuPaul was born in San Francisco.

• 51:29Speaker 04

  False.

• 51:30Speaker 05

  False. San Diego. The Tonight Show is older than The Today Show.

• 51:33Speaker 04

  True.

• 51:34Speaker 05

  False. The Grand Canyon is in New Mexico.

• 51:39Speaker 04

  Oh, I've never thought about that. No, I've never been there. Um, isn't it in multiple states? So I'm gonna say false.

• 51:48Speaker 05

  False, it's in Arizona. Blue Ridge High School does not have a boys wrestling team.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  False.

• 51:54Speaker 05

  True. Mercury is the farthest planet from the sun.

• 51:59Speaker 04

  What?

• 52:00Speaker 05

  Mercury is the farthest planet from the sun.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  False.

• 52:02Speaker 05

  False, it's the closest. Muhammad Ali was six foot three.

• 52:07Speaker 04

  Oh, true.

• 52:08Speaker 05

  True.

• 52:11Speaker 05

  The Tony and Tony Awards is short for Antoinette.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  I'm gonna say false, but I wish it was true.

• 52:17Speaker 05

  It is true.

• 52:17Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 52:18Speaker 05

  There are no

• 52:20Speaker 05

  there are no Dunkin locations in Italy.

• 52:26Speaker 05

  It's true. How do you do?

• 52:28Speaker 06

  Ten.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 52:31Speaker 06

  And an addendum, an addendum, there is a boys wrestling team.

• 52:34Speaker 04

  There is.

• 52:35Speaker 06

  I did give that to you. I had to go and

• 52:36Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 52:37Speaker 06

  But the school's so small, it was almost impossible to find out.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  The only reason I know is because when I was there just a couple of years ago,

• 52:46Speaker 04

  it was like the only sport that would win awards was like the boys wrestling team.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  Awards.

• 52:52Speaker 05

  It was the only sport that would win awards.

• 52:53Speaker 04

  The, the, you know, the

• 52:55Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 52:56Speaker 04

  The competitions.

• 52:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:58Speaker 04

  Actually, your wrestling story is one of my favorite stories.

• 53:02Speaker 05

  I need to figure out if I'm gonna put that in my next hour.

• 53:04Speaker 04

  It's so funny.

• 53:07Speaker 05

  Thank you so much. I love that one. It didn't make it into the last hour, but I feel like I might squeeze it into the next one.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  Bell House when I went and saw it.

• 53:15Speaker 04

  It was so funny.

• 53:16Speaker 05

  Thanks, Nick.

• 53:17Speaker 04

  It's so funny.

• 53:18Speaker 05

  That's so sweet of you. Uh, before you go, I want you to tell me what are three things you're, you're gonna do before you come back on the show? So eight to 15 months from now typically is like

• 53:31Speaker 04

  So you will have me back on the show.

• 53:33Speaker 05

  Yes, I'll have you back on the show. What are three things? I'm gonna, I'm trying to start asking people this.

• 53:38Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 53:39Speaker 05

  What are three things that you'll do before then?

• 53:43Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 53:44Speaker 05

  Okay, and we're gonna check in on them.

• 53:45Speaker 04

  Okay. I am going to, well, I don't wanna say go on a date, cuz 18 months from now, I will likely have gone on a date.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  But I will try to go on numerous dates with one person.

• 54:02Speaker 05

  Okay, we're gonna try to get multiple dates deep with one person by then.

• 54:05Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 54:05Speaker 05

  Okay, put this down somewhere. Got it. Okay.

• 54:07Speaker 04

  One.

• 54:08Speaker 05

  Multiple. Yes, that's one thing.

• 54:09Speaker 04

  Write it down.

• 54:09Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  Um, two, I'm gonna do a career one. I would like to get representation and perform more and audition for more things.

• 54:19Speaker 05

  Okay, get representation and perform more and audition for more things. We're gonna count those all as one.

• 54:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:24Speaker 05

  Okay, representation and all that it entails.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 54:27Speaker 05

  Got it.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  And three, I would like to find a vegetable that I genuinely like.

• 54:36Speaker 05

  Oh, okay, we can work on this. Yeah, I like that. You haven't had any luck with any of them so far? Vegetables.

• 54:43Speaker 04

  So if you had to twist my arm, I would eat a Brussels sprout.

• 54:50Speaker 05

  That's a wild. I like Brussels sprouts, but that's just a wild, usually non-vegetable.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  But like, I'm not like.

• 54:55Speaker 05

  It has to be like balsamic.

• 54:56Speaker 04

  I need a Brussels sprout, or I want a Brussels sprout. It's more so like, well, I have to eat healthy, so if I have to eat healthy, I guess a Brussels sprout is the only one that I can like choke down.

• 55:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  But I would like to find a vegetable, because they do visually look good and appealing.

• 55:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:16Speaker 04

  I would like to find one that I'm like, I really like eating this vegetable.

• 55:21Speaker 05

  Have you spent much time around the squash family of foods?

• 55:25Speaker 04

  Um.

• 55:26Speaker 05

  Does that count as a vegetable? That's a vegetable, right?

• 55:30Speaker 05

  Like butternut, honey nut, squash.

• 55:33Speaker 04

  I haven't spent a lot of time, but I, I haven't, I've tried a bite.

• 55:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, and it wasn't for you.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Not for me.

• 55:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, and broccoli's a no-go.

• 55:43Speaker 04

  So broccoli and asparagus are the other two that like.

• 55:48Speaker 05

  Sounds like you've listed three vegetables already that you're pretty comfortable with.

• 55:51Speaker 04

  But I don't like them. They're just ones that I'm like, okay, I'm trying to eat healthier, so they're the only ones that I can choke down.

• 55:58Speaker 05

  Right.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  And are palatable.

• 55:59Speaker 05

  Right.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  I want to find one that I'm like, wow, I really enjoy eating this.

• 56:03Speaker 05

  Corn?

• 56:05Speaker 05

  You ever getting, you ever getting the corn salsa at Chipotle?

• 56:07Speaker 04

  So I do get the corn salsa, but I have them only put a little bit in, so I don't know it's there.

• 56:12Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 56:14Speaker 05

  Right. Okay. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Okay. So we're gonna, and you're not liking, um, you're not doing the fajita peppers, I'm assuming.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  No.

• 56:21Speaker 05

  Right.

• 56:21Speaker 04

  I can't do spicy.

• 56:22Speaker 05

  I'm, I'm truly trying to think of what they have at Chipotle that we can start with, cause I'm like, that feels like the easiest.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  I don't mind onions. That's a vegetable, right? Or is it a fruit?

• 56:31Speaker 05

  Onions are a vegetable, I believe. Yeah.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  Okay. Cause you know how tomato, they're like.

• 56:36Speaker 05

  Tomato's really cracked my whole worldview open. When they started doing fruit with tomato, I was like, well, I might not know anything.

• 56:40Speaker 04

  I still don't like tomatoes. Um.

• 56:42Speaker 05

  In any circumstance?

• 56:44Speaker 04

  I guess a marinara sauce, but like the tiniest amount, it's just touching the noodle. I don't want it like swimming in the noodle.

• 56:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:51Speaker 04

  Um, but onions I could do.

• 56:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:55Speaker 04

  But not always.

• 56:56Speaker 05

  Yeah. Onions aren't a very substantive vegetable. I'd like to get something that can really like something hearty. I'd like to get into something hearty.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  Sure. Mushrooms are the devil's vegetable.

• 57:07Speaker 05

  Mushrooms are not even a vegetable. They're a fungi. So don't talk to me.

• 57:11Speaker 04

  But are fungi as vegetables?

• 57:13Speaker 05

  I don't believe so.

• 57:14Speaker 04

  They both come from the ground.

• 57:16Speaker 05

  That's a great question. Chance, Google. Also, I need a BLT for lunch so bad. Michelle, can we find a BLT for lunch? I want a BLT crazy style.

• 57:23Speaker 06

  Oh, they, fungi, including mushrooms, are not vegetables. They belong to their own distinct biological kingdom, separate from plants.

• 57:31Speaker 05

  Wow. Boom.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  It really makes you think.

• 57:33Speaker 05

  Makes you think. So that's the third thing. We're gonna get a vegetable that you like and we're not, and mushrooms don't even have to be in the picture.

• 57:38Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 57:39Speaker 05

  Okay. I love it.

• 57:40Speaker 04

  I love it too.

• 57:41Speaker 05

  Oh, you know what we need to know before you go?

• 57:43Speaker 04

  My so true.

• 57:43Speaker 05

  What's so true to you? I keep forgetting to do that.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  The name of the show.

• 57:48Speaker 05

  Truly.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  Um, what is so true to me? I feel like we did a lot of so trues this episode.

• 57:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  Okay. When I was very little, my, one of my grandmothers would say this constantly and I quote it to this day and I find it to be so true. You win some, you lose most.

• 58:10Speaker 05

  Most? That is really interesting. You win some, you lose most. What does that mean to you?

• 58:17Speaker 04

  It means most things that you do will not turn into anything or not be good or anything, but there will be sprinkles of things that really are.

• 58:30Speaker 05

  Do you find it, uh, like motivating, energizing to think of most things not working out and some, like, how does it, does it feel negative or positive to you?

• 58:41Speaker 04

  I think a little bit of both. I think it's a very real thing. I mean, that's life. Not everything is going to work out. Even the most successful people in the world that you see, not everything worked out for them.

• 58:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:50Speaker 04

  So, odds are if you go in with the mindset that you win some and you lose most, I think you're managing your expectations. You're not going in being like, I'm gonna win most and only lose here and there.

• 59:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:02Speaker 04

  So that if it doesn't turn into anything or you fumble at something, then it's like, well, you win some, you lose most.

• 59:09Speaker 05

  I think I have the thing you were talking about. Going into things and thinking you're gonna win most and lose a few, that's, I think, my thing.

• 59:17Speaker 04

  And interestingly, that's Bob's thing as well, and you two are some of the most successful people I know. So maybe I need to change my mindset.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  No, but I like, I'm not, I, yeah, I like it, I like them both. I just think I have, I think I tend more towards the idea that I'm going to win most things and just lose a few.

• 59:33Speaker 04

  But I think it's also, and it doesn't even necessarily have to do with like, events or functions or anything in that sense. I think I use it towards even like people and fans. I mean, you know, some people, they genuinely, like, if someone doesn't like them or someone leaves a bad comment or something, it has ruined their entire week, day, month, year.

• 59:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:57Speaker 04

  And to me, I just constantly go with the mindset of you win some, you lose most. The likelihood of everyone liking you is never gonna happen.

• 1:00:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:06Speaker 04

  So I don't care if people don't like me.

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  In the comments, they can say the meanest things they want to me, makes me laugh. I don't give a shit.

• 1:00:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  You win some, you lose most.

• 1:00:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. I read something recently about the way that all these like looks maxing, right wing guys are actually submissive. Like they're submissive to the expectations of other men and like, like the way that they're like, trying to shape and form and mold themselves into being what other men think of as good looking men. And I was really interested by that. And I've been thinking about it a lot. The number of people in the culture right now that are supposedly trying to take up this like powerful, tough person persona. And then they're just so weak and hollow that it's like, I mean, Donald Trump's a perfect example. J D Vance is actually a better example of just.

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  Insert Republican man.

• 1:00:57Speaker 05

  Right, totally. I mean, but, but the, the purest example of it is somebody like J D Vance, who's like, he tries to posture as this like, tough guy, like, we're not having this bullshit from the Democrats, you know, thing.

• 1:01:08Speaker 04

  Ron DeSantis.

• 1:01:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. And then just hollow, flip flopping, morally vacuous, like fucking loser pathetic. Like J D Vance flipping on Trump just so he can get a, a position is like the most pathetic, weak shit I've ever seen in my life. And then they try to posture like they're like the new authority on manhood. It's insane.

• 1:01:29Speaker 04

  Like Lindsey Graham.

• 1:01:30Speaker 05

  Well, Lindsey Graham's a different thing.

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  Prime example.

• 1:01:32Speaker 05

  Lindsey Graham's a different thing. He's flip flopping all right, but it's, but it's not on the issues.

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  He's lubed up in a San Francisco alleyway, getting fucking turned into a muppet.

• 1:01:43Speaker 05

  Truly, truly.

• 1:01:45Speaker 04

  And then the next week will be in Congress being like, this is what men should be.

• 1:01:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's insane. It's completely insane. Yeah, but he, yeah, there's. Yeah, it's an interesting split. A lot of these newer Republican guys are really obsessed with the manliness, manhood, protect our men and boys thing.

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  And so are the women.

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, but they're, yeah, they're, I mean, like you talk about like Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene and those people. It's like, I don't, their particular pathologies are beyond me. I don't understand enough about what's going on with, I don't understand how a woman gets that far gone. Cause I have so much, I, I think like women are so much more naturally empathetic and smarter than that, that I, it's hard for me to process a woman being that callous and stupid. Yeah.

• 1:02:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Speaker 05

  But yeah, with men, it makes so much more sense.

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  I mean, I have theories of how they got over, but.

• 1:02:36Speaker 05

  Right. Well, mostly QAnon, I think is.

• 1:02:39Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:02:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  Your comments usually love you, right?

• 1:02:44Speaker 05

  I don't really read them anymore. Only every once in a while, one will make it through to me. Like it'll get screenshotted and DM to me a bunch and I'll happen to catch it when I'm like viewing my stories or whatever. But for the most part, I don't read, I don't care. I don't care what, I just don't care.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  I read them because I find it funny. Truly nothing offends me.

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  Yeah. I did see some people got genuinely mad at me when I did Trixie's makeup because I didn't do a good job. Some, some, a couple of her fans got genuinely mad at me. Like someone, so, someone was like, um, someone, someone commented and was like, it looks like Caleb's never seen a person before, which was funny and not a big deal. And then someone replied and was like, actually, he really enjoys making people look stupid. And once you realize that it's hard to not see. And it's like, I feel like I was just fucking around with my friend, actually.

• 1:03:31Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:03:32Speaker 05

  I don't think.

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  How did we get from me doing a bad job at makeup to the here?

• 1:03:35Speaker 05

  Crazy. But this is the thing of like strangers on the internet who have no power in their lives, making like crazy, wild, drawn out assumptions about these strangers that like that person has a parasocial relationship with both me and Trixie. And Trixie in a positive way, me in a negative way. And so. Yeah, sometimes the comments, that's why you have to, I can't read anymore. I don't see almost any of it.

• 1:03:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, they genuinely, I, again, we mutually know some people that comments really

• 1:04:03Speaker 05

  I know.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  send them, but for me, I don't know why, truly nothing. I mean, I genuinely, I had famously Lizzo make a video calling me the failure of the US education.

• 1:04:15Speaker 04

  And every comment was our fans being like, yeah, Nick might not know anything, but he's ours.

• 1:04:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's ours.

• 1:04:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, Nick might be an idiot, but he's our idiot. All right, well. And she's not wrong, but it's like.

• 1:04:32Speaker 05

  She's not, but no, I think she is. I don't think you're a failure in the US education system.

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  Who's your favorite musician right now that you're like obsessed with listening to?

• 1:04:45Speaker 05

  Been listening to a lot of Amber Mark, been listening to a lot of Orion Sun, been listening to, what else have we been listening to, Michelle? We've been listening, those are the big ones. We've been, what's that?

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  Olivia Dean.

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  Oh, I've been putting Michelle through hell.

• 1:05:00Speaker 04

  Okay, have you listened to Sienna Spiro?

• 1:05:02Speaker 05

  Oh, I was on Sienna Spiro a long time ago.

• 1:05:05Speaker 04

  That's who I'm obsessively listening to right now.

• 1:05:06Speaker 05

  I was on Sienna Spiro before the Redbone cover. I was there. I was, I was there. Uh, yeah, I, I've been putting Michelle through hell with the Olivia Dean. Oh my God, what's the, um, the fucking, let alone the one you love. Oh, let alone the one you love. I have been putting Michelle through the wringer with let alone the one you love. We've been listening to it five times a day, minimum. I'm on that.

• 1:05:32Speaker 04

  She's just one, and I feel the same about Sienna. They're just artists that you can listen to multiple times in a day because it's just so easy.

• 1:05:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, goddamn. I, I really am listening to Olivia Dean. But I was, I was with Olivia Dean also a long time ago. I've been so happy to see her blow up because I was back like when she had the album cover of her in the little jean shorts, the White Album cover, or like the, the purple one where she, uh, the, the record that she put, um, I Could Be A Florist. That, do you know that track?

• 1:06:03Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:06:04Speaker 05

  Really, she's been putting out great music for a very long time.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  Can I actually say something that maybe I shouldn't admit?

• 1:06:09Speaker 05

  Tell me now.

• 1:06:10Speaker 04

  I don't really listen to much music. That's okay. Like, I don't have a Spotify account, Apple Music, none of that. If I ever listen to music, I pull it up on YouTube. Wow. But. That's the hardest way to do it, but that, maybe that's why. Tova, my manager Tova, doesn't listen to music at all. Yeah, I don't. And I have an opera background. I performed almost my whole life, but. Were you singing opera for us right now? I won't. I did on Anderson Cooper's talk show once. Why would you do it for Anderson Cooper and not me? Well, it was ran, I wasn't supposed to. Yeah. I, my boyfriend at the time, I was here for college and we got tickets to Anderson Cooper's very short-lived talk show. And the opening comic was like out in the audience, warming people up.

• 1:06:52Speaker 04

  And she came to a spot and she was like, this is Anderson's favorite spot to stand. And it happened to be right next to my chair. And I was like, oh, this is cool. She was like, so let's practice. If he talks to you, you just stand up. So she turns to me, I stand up and she's asking me questions. She was like, what do you do? And I was like, I sing opera. And she was like, sing for me. And I was like, it's seven in the morning. You guys didn't provide coffee. I'm not singing. Yeah. So then they went and got me coffee. They made me sing. Yeah. I didn't think anything of it. The show went on halfway through the show, they came up and they go, what was the name of that aria you sang? And I told them, they're like, oh, okay. Show goes, it's the end of the show. I see Anderson walking out to the audience to end of the show. He stops right next to me. The producers come and they go, Nick, we need you to stand up. And I go, oh, okay.

• 1:07:36Speaker 04

  And they go, you're gonna sing the episode out. I go, what? And they go, you're on in three, two, one. I was like,

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  what? And Anderson was like, every day we learn about our audience and Nick here is gonna sing an aria. And I just stood there and sang. But you wanna hear the really beautiful part? Yeah. My grandma, who's passed and one of truly my favorite people ever to exist,

• 1:08:00Speaker 04

  never watches the Anderson Cooper talk show. And that morning happened to have it on in the background. She called me and she was just like, were you just on the Anderson Cooper talk show? I never have it on. All of a sudden I heard in the other room, your singing voice. And I go, I know who that is. No, that's so sweet. That makes me wanna cry.

• 1:08:20Speaker 05

  That's so sweet. I never knew he had a talk show, by the way. It was one season. Yeah, no worries. Yeah. Oh, and I sang on Live with Kelly and Michael. You sing on every show but mine. I ask you to sing and I'm play the fool, but everyone else... Next time in 18 months. In 18 months after you've done... Add it number four. After you've done multiple dates with one person, gotten reputation, and found a vegetable you like. And I'll sing on this podcast. Thanks for coming on, Nick. Love you. Thank you.

• 1:08:45Speaker 00

  I hate Mondays.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

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• 1:08:48Speaker 00

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