"RE-RELEASE: Neil deGrasse Tyson"

The guys are surprised by renowned astrophysicist, planetary scientist and author, Neil deGrasse Tyson. Neil teaches the guys about the wonders of the universe, the concept of infinity, the power of mind-blowing inspiration, and even his own potential parallel universe. Gravity and Levity all at once. This episode was originally released on 7/27/2020.

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• 0:00Sean Hayes?

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• 2:36Sean Hayes?

  Hey, everybody. You're listening to Smartless, hosted by Jason Bateman, Will Arnett, and myself, Sean Hayes. I know, I wish my voice was more masculine, too. This show is about learning through laughter in the brains of people around the world who are far smarter than us three idiots. And each week, one of us brings on a guest who the other two don't know about. So with that, let's jump into the Smartless rocket ship and let's blast off into the universe together. Ooh, I think I just turned myself on.

• 3:17Jason Bateman?

  I went to seventh grade with Janet Jackson.

• 3:21Sean Hayes?

  Are you serious?

• 3:22Jason Bateman?

  Yeah. At a school called Valley Professional. It was a prof-- hold on. It was a school that was only from 9:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. So that you had your afternoons free for auditioning.

• 3:35Will Arnett?

  Auditions, yeah.

• 3:36Jason Bateman?

  It was sort of like the back of a gas station on Sherman Way and Vineland. And I'm not sure they were accredited. I think chances are high that they were not accredited.

• 3:47Will Arnett?

  I went to high school with one of the kids. This is not a bit from the original Degrassi Junior High. So.

• 3:55Sean Hayes?

  I went to college with-- I was piano majors with Craig Robinson from The Office.

• 4:00Will Arnett?

  Really? Oh, I knew that. Wait, I knew that.

• 4:03Sean Hayes?

  Piano majors together, yeah.

• 4:04Jason Bateman?

  What's a piano major?

• 4:06Sean Hayes?

  You major in piano and you don't minor in it. Get it? Major or minor?

• 4:09Will Arnett?

  There are different ranks. There's different-- because I was a piano Colonel, but--

• 4:15Will Arnett?

  and then--

• 4:16Sean Hayes?

  That is so dumb. I can't believe you.

• 4:18Jason Bateman?

  It's the stupidest thing.

• 4:19Will Arnett?

  Of course, you're gonna laugh. I just watched you, Hayes, because I knew. I knew that would get you.

• 4:23Sean Hayes?

  So dumb.

• 4:24Will Arnett?

  Anyway, at ease.

• 4:27Jason Bateman?

  Who's our guest? Whose guest is it today?

• 4:29Will Arnett?

  Whose guest is it today?

• 4:30Sean Hayes?

  Guys, today, my guest today grew up in the Bronx. He became interested in astronomy at the age of nine after visiting the Hayden Planetarium. And today...

• 4:41Jason Bateman?

  Is this Derek Jeter?

• 4:42Sean Hayes?

  No, it's not Derek Jeter. Close. He is now the director of that same planetarium. And after studying at Harvard, he earned his doctorate from Columbia University. He was awarded the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal.

• 4:54Jason Bateman?

  Sean, you've really done it this time.

• 4:57Sean Hayes?

  He's known for his ability to make difficult concepts accessible to every audience, Will.

• 5:01Will Arnett?

  Sure.

• 5:02Sean Hayes?

  So, guys, we have with us today my favorite astrophysicist of all infinity, Neil deGrasse Tyson.

• 5:07Jason Bateman?

  Unbelievable, Sean. What a guest.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  Hey, guys.

• 5:13Jason Bateman?

  What an honor.

• 5:14Sean Hayes?

  Thank you so much for being on here. I know this is very nice of you to come and chat with us today. I wanna, you know, do people kind of like jump right in and ask you things about the universe in the same way one might, you know, after discovering someone's a doctor and go, you know, I have a pain in my lower back?

• 5:30Speaker 03

  Without hesitation.

• 5:31Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, instead of asking you about you first?

• 5:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I don't care about me. And as an educator, I don't think who I teach should care about me. That's like cult building.

• 5:41Sean Hayes?

  Really?

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, so compare these two scenarios. Someone comes up to me saying, hey, aren't you Neil deGrasse? I said, yes. Tell me more about a black hole and this. So that's the perfect educational encounter. The one that's not is, are you Neil Tyson? I said, yes. Oh, what's your favorite color? What's your favorite? And all of a sudden, I become the object of their curiosity rather than the universe itself. And in that way, I have failed.

• 6:03Sean Hayes?

  And you don't like that?

• 6:04Speaker 03

  No, it's a failure. No, no, I'm just, it's a failure of my educational efforts. If I become the object of their interest, that's all. I'll do it and I'll accommodate it and, you know...

• 6:16Will Arnett?

  But on a certain level, you feel like you failed in your objective.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  Must not have made the science interesting enough for them to come at that.

• 6:23Sean Hayes?

  But not knowing you, I would think, you know, all I ever see of you, and again, I'm such a huge fan of yours, and I could hear you talk about all of this... crap, which I love for hours.

• 6:35Will Arnett?

  Oh, but the stuff that he spent his life studying, you you you summed up as crap. Thank you, Sean.

• 6:39Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have a PhD in crap.

• 6:42Sean Hayes?

  This is why I don't have a PhD.

• 6:44Speaker 03

  Crap is piled high and deep. That's what the PhD stands for.

• 6:46Sean Hayes?

  No, but you know what I'm saying? Like, I I like, I want to get into that. And believe me, you will answer all of my questions.

• 6:52Speaker 03

  I'm here for you. Yes.

• 6:53Sean Hayes?

  But like, when I read that thing that you first became enamored with the universe at nine years old, going to the Hayden Planetarium, and now you're the director of the Hayden Planetarium. Like, most teenagers don't have that drive, you know, when you could, because I read that you obsessively studied astronomy when you were a teenager. And so most teenagers don't have that drive. What was the thing that kept you going? It was like, oh, my God, the thirst for knowledge.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  It was the, it wasn't so much a thirst for knowledge, but the fact that I knew that when I looked up, I was completely steeped in ignorance. And boundless ignorance. And so there's this quest.

• 7:30Sean Hayes?

  Jason usually just looks in the mirror and that happens.

• 7:33Will Arnett?

  He is, he's so connected with that thought.

• 7:37Sean Hayes?

  I actually sleep with my eyes open. No.

• 7:40Speaker 03

  Because they, you know, the fact that there's something around us that we know, about which we know so little, became this infinite source of curiosity for me. And I've never been the same since, since age nine. And I didn't know that most people are still sort of ambling in college. What am I going to major in? Oh, you majored in astronomy. Was that because it's early in the alphabet? You know, no, my stuff goes deep with regard to that.

• 8:04Sean Hayes?

  And to that point, explain to people like us idiots who don't know what the difference between astrophysics and astronomy is.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  Well, so we're all, in modern times, do astrophysics. Astronomy is the traditional older name for it. But in the late 1800s, we figured out how to apply the laws of physics to what was going on in the universe. And thus was birthed astrophysics. Before then, it's like, well, the star is over here, and it's this bright, and it's that color. Oh, and it might be moving. Okay, so let's call it a planet, or it's it's got a tail. So we call it a comet. It was descriptive. In the, in the, in the 19th century, we learned how to take spectra of stars. And a spectra breaks the lighting into its colors like a rainbow. And when you do that, you learn things like how fast is it moving, how fast is it rotating, what it's made of,

• 8:52Speaker 03

  how long ago it was born, you can create models of that. And so all of a sudden, the universe becomes our backyard.

• 8:59Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, because you know, when I, I still do this, I mean, on the dumbest level, on the most, you know, simplest level, I've, there's, there's places on earth and it's, it's wearing thin, where the air is cleaner and you can see more stars, somewhere like Hawaii or whatever. And you lie there and you, like a kid, I'm still act like a kid and I look up, and the longer you look up at a clear sky to all the stars, you can't help but think about everything you're talking about. Which is, where do we come from, how, that light that we're seeing is like, way older than the earth and whatever. That's the one that got me. When I, when I was about 12 years old, a teacher said to me, he said, "Look up," he said, "You see, you see that star?" I, I don't know what I was doing with the teacher in the middle of the night, but um, he said, "The light that you're seeing..."

• 9:42Speaker 03

  That's the next, that's another episode.

• 9:44Jason Bateman?

  It's a different episode, it's a whole different podcast. That one's called "You Don't Wanna Know."

• 9:49Will Arnett?

  Then, on a very special...

• 9:52Jason Bateman?

  "You Don't Wanna Know." So he said, "The light you're seeing right now left that star back in the Roman Empire." And I said, "Well, what is, what does that mean?" He says, "Well, the speed of light is," and correct me if I'm wrong, you're 186,000 miles a second?

• 10:05Speaker 03

  You got it.

• 10:05Jason Bateman?

  Okay, so 186,000 miles a second.

• 10:08Sean Hayes?

  You just pulled that out?

• 10:09Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, I don't know, I mean, he left a mark. Hold your jokes, hold your jokes, Will. So, so if you travel at 186,000 miles a second for a year, that's a light year.

• 10:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:23Jason Bateman?

  So that's, so it's a measurement of distance. So he said, "So the light traveling at 186,000 miles per second, since the Roman Empire, that's how far away that, that..."

• 10:33Speaker 03

  And that light has only just now reached us, that's correct.

• 10:36Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, and he said, and he, he said, he said, "For instance, the sun, the heat that you're feeling on your face," this was, this was after we woke up, he said, he said, he said, he said, that's-

• 10:48Speaker 03

  And, and you put down the cigarette to-

• 10:51Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, he put it out on my forearm and he said that that is seven minutes old.

• 10:58Jason Bateman?

  That that the heat from the sun, so that's how far the the sun is away.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  Okay, so I don't know how you got the speed of light correct and that number wrong.

• 11:05Jason Bateman?

  Oh, uh oh.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  No, you're close enough. No, you're close enough.

• 11:08Will Arnett?

  It's a long night.

• 11:11Jason Bateman?

  So it's not seven minutes away.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  I would give you the correct number. I mean, to know the speed of light to that precision and then get that other number wrong, that's a little weird. But it's eight minutes and 20 seconds, 500 seconds.

• 11:21Jason Bateman?

  Wow, I was so close.

• 11:22Speaker 03

  And by the way, it's not only it's not only the light that takes eight minutes and 20 seconds to reach us. So too does it take the sun's gravity. So if you were some giant and plucked the sun out of the middle of the solar system, we would still orbit. We would still feel its gravity. We would not know any different for eight minutes and 20 seconds. And at that instant, we would plunge into darkness and fling out into interstellar space.

• 11:46Will Arnett?

  So so that is those moments, those things, those, you know, a teacher telling Jason that thing. Those are mind blowing moments and I've had those mind blowing moments where I hear these things. Which obviously throughout because of what you do throughout your life, you must have had a million mind blowing revelations and stats and things thrown at you and discoveries that you've made. Have you reached the point where it doesn't blow your mind anymore? Or what are the things that blow your mind about about the universe around us?

• 12:18Speaker 03

  So everyone, I think, should have their mind blown at least once a week. Okay, that's that's the mind blowing quota, I think, is a should be about that. And if you're mind is blown means you're not reading enough or you're not exploring enough because there's stuff out there. I'll give you, here's a simple one. Ready? If you go to the flower of an apple orchard and count how many petals are on that flower. Okay, there are five petals. Then that flower shrivels up and then it becomes the fruit of the tree, the apple. If you cut the apple horizontally through it and you see the chambers, there are five chambers. So there's a correspondence between the number of seed chambers in the apple and the petals on the flower that became the apple.

• 13:03Speaker 03

  I mean, this is just kind of, if you don't notice that, start noticing it. And then there are places where, and that's not even anything. That's got nothing to do with the origin of the universe, but it's something simple that's around you.

• 13:14Jason Bateman?

  I've had a question that I've been waiting to talk with somebody like you to help me try to answer.

• 13:20Sean Hayes?

  And it takes a cream, right? You're looking for a cream or an ointment?

• 13:25Jason Bateman?

  Or an ointment, or a gel. The, okay, so if you look with a strong enough telescope, you can see further and further back in time, right? Because you're seeing light that is older and, or new. Well, you'll contextualize that for me. But basically, you could effectively look at the Big Bang.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, the origin of the universe.

• 13:48Jason Bateman?

  Exactly. So you are looking at the past, and then...

• 13:52Speaker 03

  But, by the way, just to be clear.

• 13:54Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 13:55Speaker 03

  We're in a Corona-verse right now, but if I were sitting across the table from you, you don't see me in your present. You see me in your past. Light at 186,000 miles per second goes one foot per nanosecond, one foot per billionth of a second. So if we're like three feet across from each other, you see me not as I am, but as I once was,

• 14:17Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  three billionths of a second ago. We don't make a big deal of that because human lifespan is much longer than billionths of a second. But if I start getting farther and farther... The moon is one and a half light seconds. The sun, 500 light seconds. The nearest star, four light years. You keep going farther and farther away, you get to significant timeframes back into the past of the object you're observing. And that's why, that's where cosmology comes in. It's how we decode the record of the universe because it takes light so much damn time to reach us.

• 14:52Will Arnett?

  And Sean, you were gonna take cosmology, right? At one point, just...

• 14:56Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, for my skin. Beauty school. Yeah.

• 15:02Jason Bateman?

  That's why I glow. That's why I glow like a star.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  Beautifully, yes.

• 15:05Jason Bateman?

  So if you're looking back at something that happened a long time ago, i.e. the Big Bang, somewhere in that Big Bang is our planet, is the Earth. And therefore, you see the Earth before anything has ever happened on it.

• 15:19Speaker 03

  No.

• 15:19Jason Bateman?

  So if you can see back...

• 15:22Speaker 03

  I'll let you continue, but I should really stop you there, but I'll let you continue.

• 15:26Jason Bateman?

  Well, so let's make an assumption that the Big Bang was the start of everything. So at some point, whatever we're rolling around on here, on this rock, was in there. So my point is, if you can see all the way back that far, is there a theory, because it would be impossible to actually construct, where you could set up a series of mirrors, where you could look back and forth and back and forth and back and forth enough times theoretically, where you could see yesterday?

• 15:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 15:58Jason Bateman?

  If we can already see the Big Bang, that's got to be harder than seeing yesterday. But if you constricted that into, or contracted that rather, into a series of mirrors, then maybe you could eventually see last week, last month.

• 16:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, so if you put a mirror one light day away from you, and you look at it, you will see yourself yesterday.

• 16:19Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 16:19Speaker 03

  Okay, but that requires a mirror. The Big Bang is not a mirror. So when you see evidence of the Big Bang that far out, you're not seeing us go through the Big Bang. You're seeing another part of the universe go through the Big Bang. If they looked to where we are, they don't see our light from you right now in this podcast, no. They see Earth and our galaxy 14 billion years ago, when we were going through the Big Bang. So you have to be that distance away to see that far in the past.

• 16:50Jason Bateman?

  So there is no way to construct a window into the past by setting up a series of well-tuned mirrors?

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Well, if someone else set that up for you, yeah. So you can set up a mirror seven light days away, and then you look at it, you'll see yourself two weeks ago. Because it's seven days out, seven days back.

• 17:11Jason Bateman?

  So in theory, like Jason could apologize to me for certain things that he did. In theory.

• 17:18Will Arnett?

  Do you think we could set enough mirrors in a row so that we could look far back enough to see the start of Jason's question?

• 17:27Speaker 03

  No, that's what top, top scientists still treat it.

• 17:33Will Arnett?

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• 18:18Will Arnett?

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• 21:11Sean Hayes?

  But you have two kids, right? Did they ever follow in your passion? Or are they on TikTok and that's it?

• 21:19Speaker 03

  There was never that expectation or obligation. And they had freedom to think what they want, to study what they want, and they're each doing different things right now. But I can tell you that by the time they were 12 or 13, certified scientifically literate.

• 21:36Sean Hayes?

  Oh, wow.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:38Sean Hayes?

  You don't have to tell us, but are they in that world of science?

• 21:41Speaker 03

  No, no, but they're scientifically literate. So the difference is, if you're scientifically literate, it means your brain is wired for inquiry. It's wired for thought. So that at a young age, I'm happy that they were also polite. When they did this, because otherwise it would be embarrassing. If you were a grown up, walked into the room and you said something, "Oh, I checked my horoscope sign today and my 12-year-old, 13-year-old kids heard that." They would say, "Well, what did you find?" They would start, they would start asking questions. And, and what are you basing that on? And have you tested it? And they would just calmly sort of ask the questions to drive you into the corner that you really are in. Because you, you have no foundation for those thoughts. That's the science literacy that I'm talking about, that anybody can and should cultivate for themselves,

• 22:26Speaker 03

  whether or not you become a scientist.

• 22:28Jason Bateman?

  Uh huh. Neil, if you could pick one subject that you would have an equal level, uh, depth of knowledge about,

• 22:37Jason Bateman?

  what, what would it be? Is there, is there another, is there another area?

• 22:40Speaker 03

  Thanks for that question. If I had a, if there's a parallel universe.

• 22:44Jason Bateman?

  Uh oh, here we go.

• 22:47Speaker 03

  An alternative, not in this universe, but another universe. In another universe, I would be writing songs for Broadway musicals.

• 22:57Jason Bateman?

  Are you serious? Do you write? Do you play anything? Oh, here comes Sean.

• 23:00Speaker 03

  This is why it's another universe. That's why I said, this is, this is, so I don't have musical ability, but I do, I, I like to write. I like knowing the effect that words have on your emotions, on your thoughts, on your enlightenment. I like simplifying phrases. And good songs are, are not complex stories. Go read a book if you wanted a complex story. It's gotta hit you emotionally. So, um, I am, my family, we go to musical theater often. I will tear up at a simple Broadway boy meets girl musical, or, or nowadays it's boy meets boy, girl meets girl. Any of those where there is the expression of human emotion.

• 23:40Jason Bateman?

  Well, thank you for checking out the 2010 smash hit on Broadway, Promises, Promises, starring Sean Hayes and Kristin Chenoweth. That's so nice of you.

• 23:47Sean Hayes?

  That's incredible.

• 23:48Jason Bateman?

  Way to go backstage, Neil.

• 23:49Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 23:51Speaker 03

  So, so if I had an alternative universe, so I'd like to write, and so when I write my books, each sentence, each phrasing, each turn of the syllables of a word, I'm thinking about how that lands in the reader. And I, I think if it's done well, that's what it should be like, because then you'll just want more of it. So if there's another universe, that's what I'd be doing in that universe.

• 24:14Jason Bateman?

  I have an idea, and this is, I'm not being snarky here at all. What, what if you wrote a space musical? Like, if you, I, I, I could see, that would be really interesting if you somehow, I mean, would, would anybody think to make a musical about Hamilton? You know, like, that's just bizarre.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, the fascinating fact about Broadway musicals is that they have been on every possible subject you couldn't ever have imagined.

• 24:40Jason Bateman?

  But not space.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  Hamilton, Cats, uh, uh, the, the, the Prime Minister of, of Argentina, you know, just, just make the list. How does that even happen?

• 24:49Jason Bateman?

  So why don't you, so why don't you do that?

• 24:51Speaker 03

  Because that's another, didn't I, how did I start this? I said, in another universe.

• 24:55Jason Bateman?

  You, but you could be the creative consultant.

• 24:57Sean Hayes?

  You're saying he could write the book and somebody else could write the music.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so. I would need, I would need a, I do have some ideas, and I have notes in my book, but that's not, I got other, I got the universe.

• 25:08Jason Bateman?

  But we're making deals here.

• 25:11Will Arnett?

  But, you know, it's funny that you say, Neil, that you, that you say, you know, that they've, they've, there are Broadway musicals based on every conceivable subject.

• 25:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:19Will Arnett?

  The President of, of Argentina with Evita, their, um, you know, whatever it is. And that kind of reminded me of, and this whole conversation reminded me of somebody one time explaining to me the idea of infinity. And they said, imagine infinity is, imagine a room, imagine a library that is filled with books on every possible subject, including me describing that library to you. There's a book on, about me describing, describing that book to you. There's, on every possible.

• 25:48Sean Hayes?

  We're going with the mirrors again.

• 25:50Will Arnett?

  The effect of me describing that, uh, convert, you know, to you.

• 25:53Jason Bateman?

  Oh, we got it.

• 25:54Will Arnett?

  And what effect that has on butterflies, like, whatever.

• 25:56Jason Bateman?

  Understood, moving forward.

• 25:58Will Arnett?

  And so then imagine that they're stacked in every direction.

• 26:01Jason Bateman?

  Yeah.

• 26:02Will Arnett?

  As far as you can see, they said, that's what infinity is.

• 26:05Jason Bateman?

  We got it.

• 26:05Will Arnett?

  No, no, no, the libraries themselves.

• 26:07Jason Bateman?

  End it with a question.

• 26:11Sean Hayes?

  Will, can I talk to you for a sec?

• 26:14Will Arnett?

  My question is this.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  No, I got one for you. Let's have, I'll give you a starter infinity, right? Because it's not really infinity, but it is something to think about. So if, consider that if you open a dictionary, every word used in the definition of every word is in that same dictionary.

• 26:36Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  That's kind of mind blowing.

• 26:39Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, that is interesting. I never thought about that.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  Okay, now, now, now, the other things that are sort of transcend comprehension. Pinocchio, okay, here's a sentence that Pinocchio utters. Ready? "My nose is about to grow."

• 26:56Speaker 03

  What will happen?

• 26:59Sean Hayes?

  It's gonna grow. It's gonna grow, probably.

• 27:01Will Arnett?

  It's not gonna grow.

• 27:02Sean Hayes?

  It's not gonna grow.

• 27:02Will Arnett?

  I know, because he's a liar.

• 27:03Sean Hayes?

  Let me finish. It's not gonna grow.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  That, that means he was lying.

• 27:10Sean Hayes?

  So that's right. So it's not gonna grow.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  No, that means he was telling the truth.

• 27:16Sean Hayes?

  Okay, so let me get to some other questions I have. So...

• 27:19Speaker 03

  My, my, my point is, that sentence has no meaning in Pinocchio's universe, even though the nouns and verbs are all in the right place. It transcends the world that you have set up to understand Pinocchio's statements and his actions. It's a very simple sentence.

• 27:39Will Arnett?

  Given that we agree upon the rules of Pinocchio.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  Yes, yes. We all, of course, we agree. Of course, we agree. Given those rules, this is a sentence that cannot even be uttered in his world. Okay, so infinity is something that is not fundamentally accessible to the wiring of our brain, because our brain evolved on the plains of the Serengeti to not get chased by a lion. Okay, not get eaten by a lion. This is, so that the tools we need to not die in our evolutionary past do not include infinity.

• 28:12Will Arnett?

  Now, so based on that, so, so Neil... So our brains are not wired to understand the concept of, fundamentally, to understand the concept of infinity.

• 28:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's an absence of logic. We are logical creatures relative to other life forms. But our capacity to not be logical knows no bounds.

• 28:33Will Arnett?

  But the fact is, you know that, and so you have to make certain leaps in order to try to, how do you hack that in order to make, you know, discoveries and things that you have to do? What is, do you know, and are you just aware of your own inability to do it simultaneously?

• 28:51Speaker 03

  It comes from the math. So you do the math long enough, then you absorb the math as part of your intuition. So you can think intuitively about what the math equations would have done, rather than relying solely on how you would have not gotten eaten by a lion and the wiring that that provides. So you start building up other wiring in your brain that empowers you to think in these other ways. And this is how you think in the quantum. The quantum world is really weird. Particles popping in and out of existence, particles simultaneously existing as a wave. And a wave particle duality, you might have heard of this. All of this is fundamental and the mathematics describes it. The experiments measure it. The brain cannot comprehend it.

• 29:33Sean Hayes?

  I know we don't have a lot of time. I have tons of questions, so let's do like, not a rapid fire.

• 29:38Speaker 03

  A lightning round. I'm good. I got you. Let's do it.

• 29:40Will Arnett?

  So how?

• 29:41Jason Bateman?

  Boxers or briefs?

• 29:44Speaker 03

  And by the way, my lightning answers need to be matched with your lightning questions, just to be clear. In order for that to work.

• 29:50Jason Bateman?

  No, we're here to listen to you.

• 29:52Sean Hayes?

  If you guys have like something to follow, but these are really, I wrote, I wrote these down because I'm really want to know. Are we ever going to get to Mars and why do we want to?

• 29:59Speaker 03

  We will if it has geopolitical priorities, but otherwise I think it's a very distant dream. So if China says they want to put military bases on Mars, we're there in nine months. If not.

• 30:10Will Arnett?

  Come on, really?

• 30:11Sean Hayes?

  Really?

• 30:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:12Jason Bateman?

  We're going to the moon again, is that right? Did I just read that?

• 30:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, because other countries are gaining power over what's called cis lunar space, the space between Earth and the moon. And that's the new high ground. So there are geopolitical forces that make all of that happen. The business cases come later, the tourism, then all the rest of this and the SpaceX, that all comes after. The first forays out there are countries who have geopolitical interest in mind.

• 30:40Speaker 03

  Columbus came to the New World. Was that, did, did Queen Isabella say, oh, Columbus, take, take pictures and bring them back?

• 30:47Will Arnett?

  No.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  No, it was like, here's a satchel of Spanish flags. Plant them wherever you go and find a shorter trade route to India.

• 30:53Will Arnett?

  It's always been the driver of humanity.

• 30:55Speaker 03

  Always, always.

• 30:56Sean Hayes?

  So, because I'm obsessed with the speed of light, how soon will we be able to travel the speed of light? Because so many scientists.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  Never.

• 31:02Sean Hayes?

  You know, through the, through the, wait.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  Next.

• 31:04Sean Hayes?

  But wait, they've informed us of certain laws of physics. I'm just wondering, when do we start applying those?

• 31:12Speaker 03

  So, breaking the light barrier is not the same thing as breaking the sound barrier. All right, when you heard people say, oh, we'll never fly, and they were just idiots. You know why? Because birds fly, all right, and they're heavier than air. You just haven't figured it out yet. And, and can you never go faster than sound? Rifle bullets went faster than sound before we had planes. So, we can make things faster than sound. Just figure it out. The speed of light is not just a good idea. It's the law of the universe. And if you want to go faster, you have to like tunnel through spacetime or have warp drives, which is what all the science fiction ones do. They don't just actually travel faster than light. They try to find some plausible scientific accounting for how they can travel faster than light, and I applaud them all for that.

• 31:51Sean Hayes?

  Right, so why then, after what seems like a hundred years, is the only means of fast travel an airplane? Because doesn't it seem like by now, there should be some kind of improvement on the plane? The only improvement is, you know.

• 32:04Jason Bateman?

  Sean, don't get pissed off.

• 32:06Speaker 03

  I know, he sounds angry.

• 32:09Will Arnett?

  Aggro today.

• 32:11Sean Hayes?

  I am because, because I'm frustrated that.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  This is the lightning round, right? I'm gonna tell you.

• 32:15Sean Hayes?

  Oh, sorry, go ahead.

• 32:16Speaker 03

  Here it is.

• 32:17Sean Hayes?

  Now, now somebody else is angry.

• 32:18Speaker 03

  Uh, some of you are old enough to remember the, the Concorde SST, supersonic, right?

• 32:25Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  Okay, so, um, that's like the next leap from an ordinary airplane. Do you know something? We didn't have a supersonic commercial plane. But France and England did.

• 32:37Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 32:37Speaker 03

  That was the Concorde.

• 32:38Jason Bateman?

  And I always wondered why they stopped making them.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  Oh, you know why? Oh, well, wait a minute. Um, um, why can't they fly to Los Angeles? Oh, we're not gonna let them because they'll have a sonic boom over the continental United States. So we cut them off at their kneecaps and said, yeah, you can fly, but you can only cross the ocean. Is that greatly limited the growth of that supersonic industry?

• 33:01Jason Bateman?

  And why don't we want a sonic boom over the country? Because it's too scary? What?

• 33:04Speaker 03

  Well, sha- it can shatter dishes and things and knock them off.

• 33:07Jason Bateman?

  The space shuttle did it, though.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  Well, well, that's because it's coming in over Florida and it's over a low density area and mostly ocean. So you can do it.

• 33:15Will Arnett?

  Neil, you have to, you have to understand, Neil. Shaun's theory is that if you're high enough, anything's okay, you know?

• 33:22Jason Bateman?

  That was so stupid.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  So what we really want is hypersonic transportation, where you get to Tokyo in an hour and a half. This would be suborbital. I want that.

• 33:30Jason Bateman?

  Right.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Okay, that's even faster than just the Concorde. I, I, you know, if you go suborbital, you are no, you are not farther than 45 minutes from any two places anywhere on Earth. Here's the problem. What does it mean that it took you an hour and a half to drive to the airport and another 45 minutes in TSA? So it took you three hours and then you gotta park the car, three hours to take a 45 minute trip to Tokyo. There's a point where, just put me on an airplane where I have internet and movies and I'm fine. And I don't need to get there faster.

• 33:59Jason Bateman?

  So correct me if I'm wrong. This, the, this is what suborbital is. The, the Earth is rotating at 1,000 miles an hour, right?

• 34:05Speaker 03

  At the equator. At the equator.

• 34:07Jason Bateman?

  Okay, so, so it's, it's spinning around, let's say, 1,000 miles an hour. A plane really, let's, for interest in, in math or what, easy numbers, it goes 500 miles an hour.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  500 miles an hour.

• 34:16Jason Bateman?

  Right, so if you're going the direction the Earth is rotating, you're never going to get to that destination.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  No, because you.

• 34:22Jason Bateman?

  Because you're inside this three mile gravitational bubble, right?

• 34:26Will Arnett?

  Neil, you should know that the teacher told them that on the second night. Because he, he stayed for a second night.

• 34:32Sean Hayes?

  We had a wonderful time, wonderful time.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  No, no. So, so if you launch your plane at the equator.

• 34:39Sean Hayes?

  Yep.

• 34:39Speaker 03

  And you stay in Earth's atmosphere, because it's flying through the Earth's atmosphere. Earth is turning at a thousand miles an hour, the air is moving at a thousand miles an hour.

• 34:46Sean Hayes?

  Right.

• 34:46Speaker 03

  The plane is moving at a thousand miles an hour. Now it goes 500 miles an hour. So it's going 1,500 miles an hour through space.

• 34:53Sean Hayes?

  But if you go straight up and you leave this three-mile sort of bubble, you then leave gravitational pull and you can take advantage of that thousand mile an hour spin.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  So they want that thousand miles to get a little extra boost to go into orbit around the Earth. And orbital speed is 18,000 miles an hour. So you get a little, get a little boost by doing that. If you go back the opposite way, you gotta make up 2,000 miles per hour's worth of speed.

• 35:17Sean Hayes?

  But even if you just went straight up like a rocket does and you leave that...

• 35:20Speaker 03

  No, it doesn't. In fact, they don't do that.

• 35:23Sean Hayes?

  I'm saying if, but if you...

• 35:24Speaker 03

  Most, just be clear, it's something people don't know.

• 35:26Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 35:27Speaker 03

  Most of the energy of a rocket launch is not to go up. It is to go downstream and give it enough sideways speed so that it doesn't fall out of the sky.

• 35:40Sean Hayes?

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• 36:25Sean Hayes?

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• 37:31Sean Hayes?

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• 37:55Sean Hayes?

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• 38:43Will Arnett?

  Wow.

• 38:44Speaker 03

  So the, so the space shuttle, the space station, they're all going 18,000 miles an hour sideways. That's why, uh, mission control, you're now go through the, execute the roll program. And this is the space shuttle now going sideways downstream. We're down, um, so that's, so they're not going up, they're going sideways. That's most of their energy. We think spaced is up. You know how high up they go? But where do you guys live? Where, where you live in LA? Okay.

• 39:10Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 39:10Speaker 03

  They are less above Earth's surface than the distance of San Francisco from Los Angeles. Okay. In fact, they're half that distance. What's it, what, how many miles San Francisco, it's like four.

• 39:22Will Arnett?

  Three, 300 miles, 350 miles?

• 39:24Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, it's about three, yeah.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, about 350 miles. So two thirds of that, that's the height that the space shuttle flies. So you can drive that in a few hours. That's not even what the rocket is doing. Okay? It's just getting up above the atmosphere because it doesn't have to plow through air. By the way, if we didn't have an atmosphere, it would just go sideways. Just launch it sideways. Okay?

• 39:44Jason Bateman?

  So once you're above the atmosphere, you're outside the gravitational pull, right?

• 39:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 39:48Jason Bateman?

  How tall is the atmosphere?

• 39:49Speaker 03

  No, the, last we checked, Earth's, uh, is orbited by the moon. The moon feels Earth's gravity. So all astronauts are deep within Earth's gravity. The difference is they're weightless, not because they've left Earth's gravity, but because they're falling towards Earth. So here's the brilliance of Isaac Newton. You want to mind, something mind blowing? Here it is. Isaac Newton, he said, hmm, there's the moon in orbit around the Earth and I drop an apple and it falls straight to Earth. Is this the same thing? Or is it two different things going on? And then he had a thought experiment. This is why he's Isaac Newton and we're the rest of us. He said, suppose I have a mountain and I have a, a cannon and I fire a cannonball from that mountain horizontally. It'll go out a few, you know, hundred yards and hit the ground, right?

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Suppose I fire it faster. It'll go farther along Earth's surface before it hits the ground. Let me keep increasing the speed and it falls farther and farther away from you. There must be a speed where it falls so far away from you, it completely goes around the Earth and hits you in the back of the head. Well, at that point, just duck. And the ball continues in what we call orbit. And that entire time, it was falling towards Earth. The difference is, it fell by the exact amount that Earth curved away from it.

• 41:06Sean Hayes?

  I try to throw knowledge at Jason from a distance, and it never hits him in the head. Never, ever hits him in the head.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  No, just think about this is, well, this is profound. Think about this.

• 41:19Will Arnett?

  Yeah, it's incredible.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  You're going sideways so fast that when you drop the foot, when you've dropped the foot, Earth's curvature curves away from you by a foot.

• 41:27Will Arnett?

  So you never catch, you never catch up to it?

• 41:29Speaker 03

  You never catch up to the Earth. Thus is the definition of an orbit, and you're in free fall the entire time, like cutting the cables of an elevator, falling straight down, except you happen to have sideways motion. And so falling straight down means you never hit the Earth.

• 41:44Will Arnett?

  Neil, there's a lot of debate about this, because I know you got to go, but there's a lot of debate about. Do you, do you agree? A lot of people say that the best season of Will and Grace was season five. Do you think that that's true? Because.

• 41:57Sean Hayes?

  Okay, wait, I know you have to go, but I really, this is the biggest one I wanted to talk to you about, and you can, we can just plow right through it.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 42:02Sean Hayes?

  I want to talk about aliens. I love them. I want to meet them if I can.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  Nobody doesn't love the aliens. I'm all there.

• 42:07Sean Hayes?

  Okay, sure, I would be with them. Are they real? Have we been visited by them? And if not, will we? Because, because, and this is the other follow up thing. I watched, you know, I'm, I'm like an obsessed documentarian about aliens in space and all that flying, Area 51. So Bob Lazar has this documentary. Did you see it? It was, it was about, he, he claimed he had or has some element that is not of this Earth, which alien craft is made up of. Is this, do you know this?

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I've heard of these claims, but they, they don't offer it to laboratories to. I mean, I mean, here's the thing. If, if we're visited by aliens, why? Maybe we've been visited. Okay, maybe.

• 42:45Sean Hayes?

  I, I think we have.

• 42:47Speaker 03

  Okay, let me offer you countervailing, uh, thought regarding that. Do you realize we collectively upload a billion photographs and videos to the internet per day?

• 43:06Speaker 03

  Per day. Every day, we upload more photos and videos to the internet that existed in the world in the first hundred years of photography. We, we have photos of extremely rare phenomena, like buses tumbling and, and hurricanes, I mean, or in tornadoes. In the day, you wouldn't say, oh, that's interesting. Let me go home and get my camera and film this. No, everybody's got a camera.

• 43:32Sean Hayes?

  Right.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  Until we had, until everybody had a camera, you had all these reports of people getting abducted. Where's the photo of the craft? Where's the, why is it that your, your best evidence for aliens visiting is fuzzy Navy video?

• 43:47Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, I know.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  Why, why, why is that your best evidence?

• 43:51Sean Hayes?

  What do you think, what do you think about the Navy video, Neil? What do you think?

• 43:54Speaker 03

  I, I don't know what it is. That's why it's a U, unidentified flying object.

• 43:58Sean Hayes?

  But in this documentary, they say, you know, what you're saying, why, why wouldn't aliens come down and greet, greet us? And why don't they say hello? Because, and the, the explanation is they are afraid of us. And they're afraid what we would do to them.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  So the common denominator of all conspiracy theorists is when they don't have the data.

• 44:17Sean Hayes?

  Yeah.

• 44:17Speaker 03

  They have to invent something to bridge the gap in their data. So I'm not bridging any gap. I'm saying everybody is a recorder. Where's the evidence of these visitations? Why is it that crop circles only happen when nobody's looking? All right. Why are the aliens just shy? Okay, aliens are shy. I, I, then maybe they don't want to be disturbed by us. Fine, okay. But when the aliens finally come who are not shy, I don't think they're only going to show up in fuzzy Navy video.

• 44:50Sean Hayes?

  So let's, let's close with this. Um, first of all, we do have one thing in common, you and I. You have over a dozen honorary doctorates because of all the knowledge in your brain, while I have over a dozen doctors treating the condition of my brain. So what are the scientists, what are the scientists getting right right now? And what are they getting wrong as far as COVID and global warming?

• 45:10Speaker 03

  Okay, so one of the challenges is when you model climate, it's very messy. There's a lot of, there's the heat from the sun, there's the uptake of carbon dioxide in the ocean, there's the spewing of carbon dioxide. It's very complicated. And so what we need is training on how to think about models presented by scientists. Because every model has an uncertainty range. And so you present the model and the uncertainty range to lawmakers and to policy people and say, here's the best available knowledge, now find a political solution to this. You don't say, take the politics and say, oh, we deny what your scientists are saying. What is that? What, what, what are you doing? What, what? This is a recipe for disaster.

• 45:54Speaker 03

  As I've said, I think I tweeted this recently, every disaster movie begins with what? People ignoring the warnings of a scientist.

• 46:01Sean Hayes?

  Right, right, right.

• 46:02Will Arnett?

  Of course. But, but it goes to what you were saying before. As we know, and, and whether people want to admit it or not, we are constantly driven by geopolitical goals, et cetera, personal.

• 46:13Speaker 03

  And I accept that, but just don't, don't put those in front of objectively true scientific information.

• 46:19Will Arnett?

  Of course.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  Because then what, then you're arguing, you're arguing a house of cards. And nothing good will ever come of that. So maybe we need to retrain people to understand what science is, how and why it works, what is an objective truth, what does it mean to be convinced by something? Why do we have people who think Earth is flat? Why?

• 46:38Sean Hayes?

  I know, it's crazy.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  Where is the failure?

• 46:41Sean Hayes?

  Do you think global warming is the next, quote, pandemic that we're going to be dealing with?

• 46:46Speaker 03

  Well, it's, it's an existential crisis that's happening on a longer timescale than the pandemic is. So the timeframes over which things have been happening with regard to the pandemic are rapid, they're happening hourly, all right?

• 47:01Sean Hayes?

  Right.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  And we all need to behave coherently to fight it. It's like saying, oh, well, some states wants to open before other states and the, my favorite analog to that is, that's like opening a peeing section of the pool.

• 47:18Speaker 03

  Okay, you just go to that section of the pool and pee there. Here's the problem. The virus is not visible, okay? If, by the way, if your pee turned purple in contact with the chlorine, everybody would be called out for that, okay?

• 47:34Sean Hayes?

  Right.

• 47:34Speaker 03

  Instantly, but you can't see the virus. And so people think they're somehow immune to it. But if a monster came out of the woods, grabbed people at the rate that COVID deaths are happening, grabbed them and bit their head off and spilled their bloods in the streets, the coordinated effort in the world to get rid of this creature would know no bounds, okay? So here we have a virus that you can't see and somehow you think is not going to affect you. This is a problem with human cognition and human. Again, it relates to the Serengeti. Is it big and it can eat you? I'm scared of it. Otherwise, I don't know, I'm not scared, okay? Even though if I should be.

• 48:13Sean Hayes?

  It's amazing the resources that the government uses and the money and the power to solve this problem almost immediately when they could do that with anything.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  Very good point. And so for me, it was a shot across our bow. Think if hostile aliens came and visited. We should all coordinate. Put down your weapons against each other because they're after humans and we are all human. And it could be the greatest peace inducing force there ever was for all humans to realize they have a common enemy. So my point is this is a practice run. Global warming is happening on a slower timescale than weeks. Yet we all have to coordinate. You can't say, well, if China's not going to fix the air, why should I? When air molecules don't need passports to go from one country to another. Neither do water molecules and pollution molecules. So at some point, we have to think globally as one species. And I don't see that happening anytime soon.

• 49:06Will Arnett?

  You know, we did, there was an initial big response to this pandemic and when people were, you know, everybody's locked down. All of a sudden, nobody knew what to do. But it's about that sustained interest in it. And it's, I remember somebody saying it's such a, we're experiencing such an American lockdown that eventually people are like, nah, I'm kind of bored of it now.

• 49:27Will Arnett?

  Right.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  It's not headlines anymore.

• 49:29Will Arnett?

  It's not really, yeah, it's not really that interesting to me anymore. And the, and the problem is, is that what happens is, once again, certain interests, special interests, they start to outweigh uh the value of this sustained interest in overcoming this.

• 49:44Speaker 03

  So let me, let me be devil's advocate here for a moment. So you're a restaurant worker and now restaurants are closed by law. Okay, you're a busboy, you're whatever. And so the problem is, we didn't go into this with a plan to give people hope and expectations for how they will return to normal.

• 50:02Will Arnett?

  Right, right.

• 50:03Speaker 03

  So that the governmental handling of this scientific information, you know, in hindsight, it's easy to say that it was botched. I don't know how to have done it differently. I don't have a silver bullet here, but I can tell you, the next time this happens, we gotta have a rollout plan. And the factory floors, factory, you go into, into virus mode and people separate.

• 50:24Will Arnett?

  Right.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  And the production goes down a little, but it doesn't go to zero.

• 50:27Will Arnett?

  Right.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  And you have people's shifts and people work this eight hour shift and that eight hour shift so that they're not right on top of each other. They're, we didn't have any of those plans and that's what you need.

• 50:38Will Arnett?

  Do you think that we need to get ready for this happening? Not necessarily with Corona or a different Corona or whatever it is, that this is, this is our new reality?

• 50:46Speaker 03

  It's called disaster preparedness and the problem is, no one wants to spend money on it if it's not an obvious threat. And let me get back to the CO2 warming the planet. If CO2 were purple and you'd walk by a car and you saw purple stuff coming out, but purple's too pretty. Uh, if it was sludgy brown and you see this coming out and you see it coming out of smokes and you see that and it just stayed in the air.

• 51:08Will Arnett?

  Right.

• 51:08Speaker 03

  You would say, we gotta stop this. This is hurting me, this is killing me, but it's invisible and you can't smell it. And so we, we're very ostrich-like in this regard.

• 51:18Sean Hayes?

  Well, Neil, I know you gotta run. I'm a huge fan of science. I'm a huge fan of facts and I'm a huge fan of the good people and you are all three of those things. So thank you so much for being here today.

• 51:31Will Arnett?

  You've had like three or four fax machines in your life, haven't you?

• 51:33Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, for sure. And I, and I just, I still use it. I get like auditions from it and like, yeah, the papers come and I gotta refill it actually. No, but Neil, thank you so much.

• 51:42Jason Bateman?

  Yeah, please keep sharing your, your, your, your knowledge in the, in the generous and interesting way that you do and, and.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  Well, thanks for that and I'd love to come back on. I mean, when you, um.

• 51:51Sean Hayes?

  Oh, we'd love that.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  If all your other guests say, no, I'm never doing that again, you can call me back.

• 51:56Will Arnett?

  Listen, I was gonna say I can't speak for the other guys, but I can. I would say, I know that we would all be delighted to have a part two with you.

• 52:04Sean Hayes?

  Yep, for sure.

• 52:05Will Arnett?

  If you'd be willing to do it.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  Because the universe is vast. And I also want to say, if I could spend just one moment fanboying, you guys make really fun movies and they're just, for me, a little bit of escapism in it.

• 52:17Sean Hayes?

  Movie.

• 52:20Jason Bateman?

  Well, thank you.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  So just keep it going. We need it. We need the diversion.

• 52:25Jason Bateman?

  Levity.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  The escape. Yeah, the levity.

• 52:26Sean Hayes?

  Well, thanks, pal.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  Which would be the opposite of gravity.

• 52:28Jason Bateman?

  Levity, gravity. Way to bring it back around. Beautiful, right there. Well, thank you very much, Neil.

• 52:34Sean Hayes?

  Thanks, Neil.

• 52:35Jason Bateman?

  Very, very much.

• 52:35Sean Hayes?

  We'll see you later.

• 52:37Jason Bateman?

  Bye.

• 52:38Sean Hayes?

  Isn't he, like, for me, I don't know why I have that chip in my brain that is endlessly fascinated by that stuff. I could talk for hours and hours and hours about all of those topics.

• 52:52Jason Bateman?

  Same, same here. I'm incred... The one thing I wanted to ask him, and I could ask you guys the same, because I don't know what my answer would be about it either. Do you think if you went up to space and then you came back down, if you just did like one lap and you came, would you be like depressed?

• 53:08Sean Hayes?

  Exhausted?

• 53:09Jason Bateman?

  Just literally to get up so high to like look back down at the earth, then come back down, everything would be so anticlimactic. I wonder if it would be...

• 53:18Sean Hayes?

  I think more people need to think like that. Like, you're saying, Jason, is... Well, any astronaut I've heard in an interview or anything, they say the exact same thing you're saying. You go up there, you get a picture and an image of the world we live in and you realize how small it is. And every astronaut that has experienced that has said, you realize that we're all the same and that why can't we figure out how to get along? You know what I mean?

• 53:45Will Arnett?

  And, and I think every astronaut always asks it like, what is that experience when you're out in space? And they say it's out of this world.

• 53:51Sean Hayes?

  Nice one. Well, you just dropped out for a little bit.

• 53:53Will Arnett?

  Sorry, what happened?

• 53:54Sean Hayes?

  Oh, there you are. You're back.

• 53:57Jason Bateman?

  Trust me, it was pretty good, Sean. Well, did you guys learn anything today?

• 54:02Will Arnett?

  So much. How badly do we need to have him? He should be, we should have him on like once every three months, just to keep us, you know, what's going on with the cosmos? What's happening?

• 54:11Sean Hayes?

  Right, right? When Neil said, "Every single day, we upload over a billion photos." And Will goes, "You mean, the four of us?"

• 54:22Sean Hayes?

  He loves to post. Will's a real poster.

• 54:25Will Arnett?

  I know.

• 54:25Jason Bateman?

  Tag it, post it, like it.

• 54:28Sean Hayes?

  Will, do you tweet still?

• 54:30Will Arnett?

  Rarely.

• 54:31Sean Hayes?

  Yeah, he does. Will's very frequent. It's like, hey, lines are long at Starby's today. It's like, shut up, Will.

• 54:38Will Arnett?

  It's my right to call it Starby's.

• 54:41Sean Hayes?

  I wanted to ask Neil if he starts his day off at Starbucks.

• 54:46Will Arnett?

  Wow.

• 54:46Sean Hayes?

  Wow.

• 54:47Will Arnett?

  He probably pays with Starbucks.

• 54:50Sean Hayes?

  Do you guys get that? Do you guys get that? Yeah, no, I got it.

• 54:53Will Arnett?

  Sean, do you get your own joke? Do you even get your own?

• 54:58Sean Hayes?

  All right, let's let our listener get to dinner or whatever.

• 55:03Will Arnett?

  I love the idea that all our, anybody who listens to our podcast is going, is rushing to a meal.

• 55:10Sean Hayes?

  We have to book our sole listener at some point. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

• 55:15Will Arnett?

  Thank you, Sean.

• 55:16Sean Hayes?

  All right. Love you guys.

• 55:17Will Arnett?

  Love you guys.

• 55:18Sean Hayes?

  Love you too. Bye.

• 55:20Will Arnett?

  Bye.

• 55:20Sean Hayes?

  Bye.

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