#347 Pierogi - Shawn Ryan and Scammer Payback Troll Scammers LIVE

Pierogi is the creator and host of Scammer Payback, one of the largest scam-baiting platforms online. After leaving a career in cybersecurity, he began exposing scam operations by infiltrating their systems, disrupting fraudulent networks, and educating the public on how scammers manipulate victims. Through his videos and investigations, Pierogi and his team have helped stop millions of dollars in fraud while giving viewers a behind-the-scenes look at how modern scam operations work. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Privacy Isn't Paranoia. It's Protection. Download Glacier - https://theglacierapp.com If you have an iPhone, go to https://ladder.fit/SRS to take a quick quiz, get matched with your coach, and get a free 7-day trial (no credit card needed) plus $10 off your first month if you join. Live better longer with BUBS Naturals. Get 20% OFF on collagen, MCT creamers, and more with code SHAWN at https://bubsnaturals.com/srs Start your free trial at https://shopify.com/srs Go to https://helixsleep.com/SRS for 20% off site wide and enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you! Head to https://factormeals.com/srs50off and use code srs50off to get 50% off and 1 free breakfast item per box for 1 year, while supplies last until 10/31/2026. See website for more details. Pierogi Links: Website - https://www.scammerpayback.org Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/scammerpayback TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@scammerpayback Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/pierogisp Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/scammerpayback X - https://www.twitter.com/scammerpayback Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:25Shawn Ryan?

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• 3:04Shawn Ryan?

  Pirogi, welcome to the show, man.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 3:08Shawn Ryan?

  Thanks for being here.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  So excited to be here, man.

• 3:11Shawn Ryan?

  I'm pumped.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12Shawn Ryan?

  So, our mutual friend, really good friend of mine, and I think good friend of yours, Ryan Montgomery, put you on my radar like a year or two ago. And, um, yeah, it took a minute, but I'm like, I'm pumped that you're here.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  We're so happy, um, it's cool when you have like a mutual friend and brings two people together. And, um, I respect Ryan so much and I respect the work that you do as well.

• 3:39Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  And your service to this amazing country. And we were just even talking about that beforehand and I'm like, oh my gosh, just the stories. The, what you've done to, you know, serve this country, I'm very grateful and thankful for. So, a lot of respect.

• 3:55Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:56Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, yeah, I love what you do.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  Thanks, man.

• 4:01Shawn Ryan?

  And so, you know, like, so for anybody that doesn't know, you take care of scammers.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:07Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, interestingly enough, my chief of staff here just, uh, got scammed.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 4:14Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, drained her life savings. And, yeah, and even on the caller ID, the bank was USAA. It's even on the caller ID, said USAA and they called her husband and whatever, ran them through a gauntlet and,

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:30Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? And,

• 4:32Speaker 02

  How recent, like a few days recent or like?

• 4:35Shawn Ryan?

  Like a month ago.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  Wow. We can maybe investigate that if you want, like, I'll see you.

• 4:44Shawn Ryan?

  Right on. Well, I think, yeah, I'll, I'll have you talk to her, but, but, um, yeah, it was USAA. How did they do that? How did they get USAA to pop up on the caller ID like?

• 4:55Speaker 02

  These guys are pretty good, like, they can spoof, just like we can even spoof numbers. Um, you can spoof the number and some of the times they'll actually have the victim, um, like, they'll say like, take your debit card and then the number on the back, like punch it in, but they're still on the phone with the scammer. And the scammer will like mute the line and then say, oh, this is Brian with USAA. And then the person thinks they're talking to USAA, but it's literally like another scammer sitting next to them. But then they, they do spoofing of phone numbers as well, um, like.

• 5:29Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean spoof?

• 5:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, so they, they're essentially, they can make it look like even the FBI calling. They can spoof the number. So like if the number is whatever, 888-225-2255, they can make it look like any number that they want to. Or they can make the caller ID, and it's all within the software that they're using too. You can spoof the caller ID and make it look like anyone. So if I was calling as someone's grandma, I can make it look like it's that person when I'm, when I'm calling to try to scam them.

• 5:59Shawn Ryan?

  You can make it show up as the exact same number?

• 6:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:03Shawn Ryan?

  How is that possible?

• 6:04Speaker 02

  With technology, anything's possible, so, yeah.

• 6:08Shawn Ryan?

  Dude.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's scary, but like, that's why one of the things when we tell, like, if you're, it's called the grandma scam, that's one of them. Uh, someone's calling like your grandma pretending to be you, that happened to my grandma as well, where someone was pretending to be me. The number one thing we say is to hang up the phone and then call that actual person back, if that makes sense. So they're spoofing, but they're not actually calling from that number. They're making it look like that.

• 6:36Shawn Ryan?

  How, how do they do it?

• 6:37Speaker 02

  It's with the software that they use, there's specific software, and we can even do it as well when we're messing with scammers. You can buy phone numbers, um, for super cheap. Like we have hundreds of phone numbers we can buy and these scammers are constantly buying numbers. And then they're using the phone software to, again, if you have a victim, you can change the caller ID really easily. It's all software-based.

• 6:59Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very scary, actually, as I'm talking about it.

• 7:02Shawn Ryan?

  Damn, man, I mean, I'm worried about it all the time. Especially, especially for my parents.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:09Shawn Ryan?

  You know, they're getting older and, I mean, they're not used to this shit, you know, and I know these guys are slick.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  They're so trusting, like, the elderly, the boomers, I guess, like, they're so trusting. You have to remember like where they came from, where you could have your front door unlocked and the milkman and all that kind of stuff, right?

• 7:28Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  And now it's like they trust everything that is being told to them. Like, there's a charge on your bank account and you need to fix it right now by taking your money out and sending it to a virtual wallet. And these people believe it, it's very sad.

• 7:44Shawn Ryan?

  Jeez. Well, let me give you an introduction here. Pierogi, after leaving your career in cybersecurity, you began live streaming scam calls on YouTube and went on to build Scammer Payback into the largest scam baiting platform online. Through Scammer Payback, you infiltrate scam networks, expose how they operate, disrupt their operations, and help victims of fraud. So far this year alone, your team has helped stop more than $200 million in scams. Excuse me, $20 million in scams. Today, you're focused on fighting increasingly sophisticated global scam industry

• 8:25Shawn Ryan?

  while teaching people how to recognize the tactics criminals use to steal billions every year. Beyond the mission itself, you also use your platform to bring people closer to God and offer hope and positivity in an industry that can be dark and frightening. Welcome to the show.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 8:43Shawn Ryan?

  So a couple of things before we get started here, everybody gets a gift?

• 8:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 8:49Speaker 02

  I played sports, so I can catch that. You might think like a computer guy, computer guy can't catch the gummy bears, you know? So.

• 8:57Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  Um, very cool vigilance elite. I love it.

• 9:01Shawn Ryan?

  Vigilance league gummy bears made in the U. S.

• 9:03Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 9:03Shawn Ryan?

  No funny business in there.

• 9:05Speaker 02

  Love it. No, uh. I see vitamin D.

• 9:10Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I mean, there's nothing healthy in there, but.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Nothing, nothing bad.

• 9:14Shawn Ryan?

  At least right now.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  Right. I like it. I like it. This is, uh, I, I think everyone has to taste test it, right?

• 9:20Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Okay. My, uh, kids are going to be jealous that I'm having gummy bears.

• 9:24Shawn Ryan?

  We'll load you up before you go home.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  Very good. I actually have some surprises for you. I know there's like counter gifting.

• 9:32Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, nice.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Um, do you want me to tell you the surprises now? Or how do we, how do you want to do this?

• 9:37Shawn Ryan?

  Whenever you feel appropriate.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Okay. We can do it now if you want to get out of the way.

• 9:42Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  Okay. Is that cool or?

• 9:43Shawn Ryan?

  Yep, of course.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  Okay. Um, well, the first one is actually has to do with the gummy bears. So. We've been building a, um, way of destroying a scammer's computer. Using your vigilance elite gummy bears.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  I know this sounds weird, but we're actually going to a little bit later, remote into a scammer's computer and run. A virus on their computer that destroys it with a bunch of gummy bears on their screen. And you're going to be able to see it all happen live. I know it sounds. I know like gummy bears are very sweet, but these gummy bears are going to like destroy a scammer's computer. Like they'll be like mid scam. And all of a sudden their screen's going to go, you're going to be able to see all of it's going to be fun.

• 10:27Shawn Ryan?

  Dude, I can't wait to see that.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, we can show, I brought my computer to show you like live scams, how it works. Uh, we can pull up some of their webcams too. If you want to see, we can listen to their audio. Um, there might even be a live scam. We could stop and I can kind of show you how that works.

• 10:41Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, man.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  If you'd like to see that. All live, not pre-recorded. It's all there.

• 10:46Shawn Ryan?

  I love this kind of stuff.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, the other thing, I got two more things.

• 10:53Speaker 02

  This is, um, I know Ryan gave you his version. I don't know if you remember the Hackol Peta. This is the OG, uh, Hackol Scammers hoodie. And it's just a gift from my team back at the office to you. Um, and.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  So it's, uh, it's our Hackol Scammers hoodie, and that's kind of the motto that we have within our team. Um, is Hackol Scammers. So. It's my favorite hoodie and it's our mantra. That's what we do all day, every day. So.

• 11:28Shawn Ryan?

  Love it.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 11:30Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  Um, the final thing. I was going to maybe wait till later, but, um. This is actually, oh my gosh, this is funny. I have a thing from Delta. They left a card there. Um. Really funny. Uh, this is actually, I don't know if you've ever heard of this. This is the Kenneth Weest New Testament.

• 11:48Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, I haven't.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  So this is actually, it's just the New Testament and this guy, he took the, like with the New Testament being written in Greek. Um, he took the actual translations of the Greek. So it's like more expanded.

• 12:04Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  It's a very dry read. Because it's not like NIV being kind of like paraphrased and things like that. I don't know. Um, what version of Bible necessarily you read, if you have a specific version or anything like that.

• 12:17Shawn Ryan?

  I don't.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Um.

• 12:18Shawn Ryan?

  Do you?

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I, um, I will read like King James and then I'll also read ESV, which is English Standard Version. And there are differences, um, some of them being the actual translation of like word by word. And then you look at like NIV, which is more of like a paraphrase. Um, so this actually takes direct translation from the Greek terms and puts it out. So you have like more context. Whereas it might be one or two words in the Bible, it's got like a whole sentence with.

• 12:49Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, based upon the times. So it's not like a very.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's like a very dry read, but you feel like you're getting more because you're getting the direct Greek translation.

• 13:01Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  So I read this one. I want to like kind of study a little bit more, if that makes sense.

• 13:06Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  You want to have like a little bit more of a contextualized because the Bible is not just about like. Reading words. Yeah, that's one of the ministries. I just use that as a bookmark in there, but. Um, you know, the Bible is not just about reading words, right? It's life. It's light. It's, these are true things that happened. And to have the context, the Greek context, um, directly translated is really cool. So you get a better understanding of. What did they mean by this?

• 13:33Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  Cause a lot of people want to kind of put their own meanings on the Bible.

• 13:37Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  Oh, this is just allegory or, you know, things like that. Um, but that gives, I'm not saying that's the be all end all, but it gives a really cool. Um, translation, I guess of it.

• 13:47Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 13:48Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I use that a lot to kind of dig a little bit deeper.

• 13:53Shawn Ryan?

  Well, that'll come handy. I was telling you, you know. Before we started. Cause I haven't read the whole Bible.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:00Shawn Ryan?

  And I get, I get frustrated when I read it because I don't understand 90% of what I'm reading.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:05Shawn Ryan?

  And, um. So we're going to do the whole thing here on this show.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  It's amazing. Are you starting from?

• 14:12Shawn Ryan?

  We're starting from Genesis and going.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Man, once you get into some of those, it is like gnarly at the beginning.

• 14:19Shawn Ryan?

  I'm excited, man. I mean, I've read maybe 50% of it.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:22Shawn Ryan?

  But, uh. Understand way less than that, but, um. Yeah, but we're, we're looking for like the right guests to go through each and everything. And, uh, I thought it's going to be awesome.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  That's so cool. Like you're going to have on like pastors and different folks? Like how's that?

• 14:40Shawn Ryan?

  Yep.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 14:41Shawn Ryan?

  All kinds.

• 14:42Speaker 02

  Really cool.

• 14:44Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, well, I got a couple more gifts for you too, but, uh, we'll wait till later.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Awesome. So that's all I have. I don't have any, I don't have any more.

• 14:52Shawn Ryan?

  That's all I got.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  That's all I got.

• 14:53Shawn Ryan?

  I'll take them. Thank you. Thank you.

• 14:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, of course.

• 14:56Shawn Ryan?

  So I got a Patreon account and, um. They've been with me since the beginning when it was just me and my wife doing this in the attic.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  So cool.

• 15:04Shawn Ryan?

  Of our house and, um, they're the only ones that supported us at the beginning. So.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  So cool.

• 15:09Shawn Ryan?

  They get the opportunity to ask every single guest that comes on the show a question.

• 15:15Shawn Ryan?

  This is from Austin Padgett. I remember the early days of SP, the small victories that came from successfully harassing scammers. How do those early victories compare to the work you're doing today? Where the wins are bigger, the progress is greater, and you're ultimately protecting more victims.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  Well, it's really cool to hear, actually. Kind of like, uh, um. And one of the things I do want to point out really quickly, off this question, I'll answer it, but, um.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  You know, like the focus, it used to be just kind of pranking scammers. And I thought as long as they're on the phone with me, they can't be on the phone with somebody else. Stealing money from them. And, um. I remember like the first time I ran across a victim and she had lost $36,000. And she lost everything and it was a real person in California. Her name was Susan and it changed everything. It was like immediately, this is very real, very fast. It's not like doing voice changers and all these fun things. It was like, there's actually somebody's life that's being ruined.

• 16:22Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  And once you realize that you have to do something about it.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Or else like you're just turning a blind eye to darkness, pretty much.

• 16:33Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  So that's why I decided to like step my game up and, um. Really like kind of be proactive and like take it to these guys. So. You know, the small wins back then were like. We called it like reversing to the scammers computer, like socially engineering them to like let us on their computer. So they would call us and connect to my computer. And then we would send a request back to them and they would, you have to coerce them into accepting the request. So they get like a prompt that says like yes or no. And then you would say things like, oh, on my screen, it says yes and no, but it's not letting me click it. Can you click it for me? And then they click yes, but it's allowing me onto their computer.

• 17:16Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  That was like in the early days. It's so crazy to think about. And then from there, you can see everything on their computer and do everything. So the little wins that that person's talking about is like. Kind of destroying and trolling the scammers a little bit. And then now where we're getting to is like full-fledged like investigations, stopping. You know, multi hundred thousand dollar wire transfers, getting call centers raided, arrested, people investigated. Um, indictments, things like that. And at the end of the day, man, like. I want to honor Jesus. Like I want to take this moment really quickly and like literally everything that I do, everything that he's blessed me with, like. All the honor and glory goes to him. Every, every single thing with this channel, with what I've been doing, it all goes to him.

• 18:03Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome, man.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  I push it away from me and it's straight to Jesus. So.

• 18:07Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 18:11Shawn Ryan?

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• 18:54Shawn Ryan?

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• 19:31Shawn Ryan?

  Man, I just, like I said, I love what you're doing and, you know, I kind of...

• 19:40Shawn Ryan?

  Ryan was the first person that I kind of talked to that, you know, dedicated his life to doing something like that. And, um, and we took a huge gamble, you know, by bringing him on. But I saw him on like the shitty, I shouldn't say shitty, very small MMA podcast. And he's like talking about what he did. And I'm like,

• 20:05Shawn Ryan?

  how's nobody paying attention to this guy? You know, and so it like angered me.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:11Shawn Ryan?

  And you know what he's doing? I mean, for anybody that doesn't know who he is, he's, you know, hunting down pedophiles or

• 20:20Shawn Ryan?

  doing shit to kids.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:21Shawn Ryan?

  Little kids. And, uh, you know, YouTube doesn't like this subject. Politicians don't like this sub, like it's, it's a touchy subject. And I was like, I don't, I don't, we had a lot of discussions about it on the team. I was like, I don't, I don't care, man. Like if this, if this is what takes me out and wipes the channel away and they delete everything. Like I could put my head down at night knowing I tried to do a good thing and, and, um, you know, and it wound up being the biggest interview we've ever done still to date.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 20:53Shawn Ryan?

  And so me and him have become really, he's one of my best friends. He's now the godfather of my son. And, and then he introduced me to this kid. I guess he's not a kid, Schlep.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 21:09Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, and, and I brought Schlep on and he's the one that's like kind of exposing roadblocks. And, uh, Ryan had a big part of that, but Schlep has dedicated his entire life to, you know, exposing roadblocks. And I was chatting with him the other day. Him, it was either him or Ryan. But actually I think it was Ryan and I had told Schlep, or it was one or the other. But anyways,

• 21:37Shawn Ryan?

  since we've exposed roadblocks on this show, as of like last week, they've taken a thirty-eight billion dollar cut in their stock. Thirty-eight billion dollars. We took like six billion in a week or a month or something. And I was like, man, that's a, like, that's a big dent. Now it's thirty-eight billion. You can look at the graph and it's just from when we released the first episode on it to now, it's just downhill, buddy. And they didn't do anything, you know? And then, uh, you know, I got a partner, Sig Sauer, their gun manufacturer, uh, American made, and they were using, they had their guns on the, on the channel.

• 22:19Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, so I called my buddy Jason at Sig and I was like, hey dude, like, just so you know, this is getting ready to come out and they, they have these games inside Roblox where they've recreated all the active shooter events like

• 22:32Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 22:33Shawn Ryan?

  Columbine, yeah dude, Columbine, Sandy Hook, Udalvi, all of them.

• 22:39Speaker 02

  Really?

• 22:39Shawn Ryan?

  Exact same layout in the school. And then, and you go in and shoot the victims and the kids' names like that got killed are above the characters in the game. And they were using a Sig Sauer gun. So Jason got legal involved over Sig Sauer and they pulled all up there like, basically like we're gonna, whatever they said, probably something along the lines of we're going to sue your ass if you don't get our, our name off of your game. And, uh, like this isn't, you know, this isn't what we do. And, uh, and then, you know, I think now today, like you fall in the same category. I mean, I don't know how many people are getting scammed today, probably thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, maybe millions.

• 23:24Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? And it's a huge problem that the federal government, from what I understand, really is not doing much to address it.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:31Shawn Ryan?

  Just like human trafficking, pedophilia.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:36Shawn Ryan?

  Roadblocks.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:38Shawn Ryan?

  Like sexual exploitation, grooming.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:41Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, and so I just, like, I really mean that, man. I just want to commend you for what you're doing. It's, it's, it's, and I know it comes at a heavy cost, which we're going to talk about at the end.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like, I, I find myself like absolutely dumbfounded that a publicly traded company has something like that. Or is, they're publicly traded, you're saying? Wow. That, um, they would have within a video game, the ability to recreate, um, those types of shooting events. Like it's just, it's crazy to me. And for it to be allowed, I don't, I don't understand that.

• 24:20Shawn Ryan?

  For little kids.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  It's like demonic. It's, it's, um, it's not like you're having to go to the, the dark web to find some kind of a crazy thing. Which Ryan, Ryan, I've told him like, don't ever show me anything crazy. You know, I'm like, we've, you know, we've gotten to like the, the edge of the water, you know? And I'm like, I don't ever want to see that stuff or hear about it. Like I know he gets into the gnarly stuff. And I, it's, and I think like, it's like, it's a resource thing for whatever reason.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  The government doesn't want to put resources to this to stop this stuff.

• 24:52Shawn Ryan?

  Isn't it weird?

• 24:53Speaker 02

  I don't freaking get it. And if you asked every American, ten out of ten, hundred out of hundred, they would say, yeah, I'd pay extra taxes to have something go against all of this dark stuff that's out there, man. And, um, yeah, ours, ours like, is like, cause our content is silly sometimes. But the underbelly of it, it's like, it's really, it's really sad. Because they're not taking a couple hundred dollars of gift cards anymore. They're, I'm literally watching someone yesterday uh, steal a hundred thousand dollars in crypto. Like go, go into the victim's computer while they're not there.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  And go into their crypto account and transfer money from their bank account to the crypto account and then send the crypto to their wallet. And it's gone. Now, I'm working with my people to get it stopped. So we're on top of it. But that's just an example and that's every single day. And that's like one scammer. And they're constantly doing this. They're waiting for their victims to be asleep to go into their computer without them knowing. They're turning on their cameras. They're creating accounts, LLCs in their names. They're stealing their identities. Like, and it is, it's hard because the one thing I'll say is that they're using our systems against us. They're using like our banking systems against us.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  They're using our shipping like FedEx and UPS and things like that. They're using our shipping companies, USPS. They're using crypto against us. They're using our big box chains, Target, Walmart. They're using all of the technology, Amazon, Microsoft. They're using all of this against us. To steal, to literally steal the wealth away from the United States. From, um, our senior citizens. And it's a, like, it's a very, it's an emergency in my opinion.

• 26:53Shawn Ryan?

  It's sad. Well, we're going to get into more of it. So before we, before, I want to talk about this, this recent thing you did, the sixty-five million dollar takedown.

• 27:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:04Shawn Ryan?

  Can we go into that?

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Sure, yeah.

• 27:06Shawn Ryan?

  Where do we start?

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Twenty nineteen.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  I'll kind of like, give you what I started to do at first that led to this, if that's okay?

• 27:18Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, that works too.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  So, this, this is like from the Susan lady that I was telling you about where, I'm like, okay, there's just like grandma on the other side. Because what happens is, if people aren't aware, I deal with scammers, like in these call centers overseas, and they pretend to be like Microsoft, for instance, or Amazon, or some kind of tech company. And there's like either a fraudulent charge on your account, something to do with your bank account, or you've been hacked, and you have to save your money by transferring a bunch of money to these scammers. And they pretend to be like the government, they pretend to be the FBI, they pretend to be all these crazy things just to get your money. And you get to this point, you're on the phone with them for like three or four hours,

• 28:04Speaker 02

  and then they're like, well, you need to send us money. Like, you need to go take a bunch of cash out from your bank account, put it into a box and ship it in the US. That happens every day.

• 28:13Shawn Ryan?

  Are you serious?

• 28:14Speaker 02

  Hundreds of thousands of dollars.

• 28:16Shawn Ryan?

  People will pull their money out of a bank and put it into a box and ship it to...

• 28:23Speaker 02

  They will ship it to random places, and these cells inside of the US, these are foreign criminals that are not legal in the US. They come here for these purposes, and they launder money. They're crime organizations that launder money for scammers overseas. And some of these can be even tied to like terrorist organizations, I would assume, overseas. And what happens is, grandma goes and gets her $50,000 out of her bank account, and they, they teach her how to lie to the bank. So the bank sits there and says, are you sure you want to take this money out? And grandma's like, yeah, I'm sure, I'm renovating my house.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  And meanwhile, the scammer is literally on the phone in her pocket, listening to everything. We watch this every single day happen.

• 29:11Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  So, they ship, they get, they get the money out, they put it in an envelope, and then they put it into a box, they wrap it with aluminum, or they wrap the envelope with aluminum foil, put it into a box, they wrap that box with duct tape, and they put it into another box, and they wrap it with like wrapping paper. And then they ship it, and then, it's called Havalet, which is like a money transfer system in these Asian countries. And the Havalet person, they open up, but usually they're like either staying at an Airbnb, or what they'll do is they'll scope out like houses that are for sale that are vacant, and they'll have the, they'll, they'll have the package sent overnight delivery, and it goes to that thing, and they snipe it, and they grab the box.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  They open it up, and then they take film of it, and then they send it to the people overseas. And then they'll turn it into Bitcoin or whatever. We've also seen like gold, a lot of times they have the victims buy gold and ship it to their house, and then the criminal will drive to the house of the victim and pick up the gold.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Happened to my next door neighbor, the craziest story.

• 30:23Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit. It's, it's, it's kind of, it's a little hard to believe that people fall for,

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:31Shawn Ryan?

  Empty your bank account, keep me on the phone while you're emptying it. Wrap it up in foil, wrap it up in duct tape, make it look like a present, and send it to this closed location.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  It sounds so crazy, and meanwhile, the guy on the other line has like an Indian accent, and his name is like, one of the scammers we dealt with, Alex LeBron, was his name. Alex LeBron.

• 30:55Shawn Ryan?

  Alex LeBron with an Indian accent.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  It's stu-, I know it sounds stupid when you talk about this, but these scammers are so good. They have control of the victim's computer, they can lock their computer, they'll hold their computer ransom. Just like ransomware attacks, they will lock you out of your computer. They are really, they can edit your bank account to make it look like you have zero dollars, to make it look like they put in a hundred thousand. They steal your passwords, they log into your computer when you're not there, they do all sorts of things. And these grandmas and grandpas that are very trusting, they don't verify it with their kids, they don't call anyone. We dealt with a stroke victim that we actually drove,

• 31:42Speaker 02

  she had had a stroke the week before, she was on the phone with scammers, and they had her take out $40,000. And she was driving to a gas station to put the cash into a Bitcoin ATM, and she didn't tell her husband anything. And they were gonna lose all that money. We drove an hour to the Bitcoin ATM because we had eyes and ears on everything, and stopped it before it all happened. She had all the cash in her little envelope, and was gonna go put it and send it away. And the crazy thing is, we went to the bank, and I told the bank, I'm like, uh, why are you guys letting this lady take out all of her money? And the banker got, the manager got mad at me, and kicked me out

• 32:24Speaker 02

  for saving someone that they just let get all the money taken out of her account. She was mad at me.

• 32:31Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. I mean, I, I am guilty of getting pissed at the banks because it's so like, like, if you wire money nowadays, it's, it's, it's like, it can become an all day event. And they, they, I get it, I get it, but man, it's frustrating, especially when you're busy, you know what I mean? You need to wire money to this, whatever, and they're like, well, who, who are you wiring it to? This person, how did you meet him? How do you know him? How long have you known him? What's their business? And I'm like, holy shit, I just want to wire my own money to this person, like, quit asking.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's your money, you should be able to do whatever you want.

• 33:12Shawn Ryan?

  But, I mean, but then, you know, like I said, the thing happened with my chief of staff a month ago or whatever, and I was like, oh shit, like, it is, like, this is happening all the time.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  The, the group in this, well, I know I kind of went on a tangent, but like, this sixty-five million dollar scam group,

• 33:31Speaker 02

  it originated from like the victim, and then, you know, they wanted me to send this money. So I'm like, I'm gonna see who's on the other side of this. Like, who's collecting the money every day? I had no idea. So like, I had this idea where I was gonna send like a camera in a box, and like I made this contraption that was like, a camera connected to a hotspot, and that has internet on it, and then I was gonna remote into the camera to see who was like opening the, you know, the package. And the one time I got the notification that somebody was opening it, like, it got confiscated. So, I didn't get to see who it was. It was the police that confiscated it. And I guess the address was hot or something.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  But it kind of led me, I had this curiosity because I was like, okay, I can still, then I started sending people out that are in the scam, we call it scam baiting, where you bait in the scammers. We started sending people out to these locations, and like confronting whoever was on the other side. And I'm like, this is crazy dude, there's these like random people picking up money and gold bars and all this stuff. And it's happening everywhere, and they're driving. Like, my next door neighbor, I had a guy that I work with in the UK, and he texts me, he's like, is this your address? And first off, I'm like, what do you mean? You don't, you haven't been to my house, like, what do you mean, this is my address? I'm like, that's pretty close. And I'm like, how do you know that? And he said, well,

• 35:02Speaker 02

  there's a guy that's coming to pick up money, like really close to that. So I was, I got in the car and drove, and lo and behold, there was like a dude with a New York license plate sitting outside of this grandpa's house, two houses down, and I'm taking pictures of him and stuff like that. And they just have guys driving around the US, every, like, and we see the screens, and it's like all the Chinese symbols and stuff, and they're on WhatsApp, and they're, they'll drive for hours to pick up gold, cash, everything.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  And it's, I'm telling you, it's happening everywhere, every day. This group had 2,000 victims.

• 35:39Shawn Ryan?

  2,000 victims, in what timeframe?

• 35:42Speaker 02

  A few years. The whole thing was like, it was like five or six years of investigation. So it went from one guy to a second guy, to five guys, to 12, to 20. I think the total that were arrested was like 24 or 25. And it was $65 million over a number of years. The main guy that got arrested had like a 10 or 15 million dollar house in LA. Living the, you know, living the life off of scam money. Cause the 65 million is like probably 20% of, that's probably what they had, 20% of what the actual crimes were. Cause they get a cut of everything. So it's probably way more than that. Probably closer to half a billion.

• 36:25Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  That's just one group.

• 36:28Shawn Ryan?

  Who, so who are the majority of these scammers? Are they all foreign actors?

• 36:32Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  Mostly out of Indian call centers.

• 36:37Shawn Ryan?

  Indian call centers.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Some Pakistan, some India. You have other scammers that do like the romance ones on like, you know, everyone used to like make fun of like the Nigerian prince, you know? I don't know if you've heard of that one? It's like, like you get the random email one day, and it's like, I'm a prince in Nigeria, and like I have all this money and I need someone to like give it to, and I'm gonna be giving it to you. And that's how the scam starts, and it's like you're gonna be getting all this money. And you have to like either pay taxes or whatever on it, I don't know the whole thing, but I never really deal with them. But you have scammers out of India and Pakistan we deal with, you have scammers out of kind of Eastern Europe that do more crypto type scams.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  And they have call centers in like countries like Georgia and things like that, there's been some big takedowns. And then you have guys in like Africa

• 37:33Speaker 02

  that do the romance ones, and they're pretty good about it. And they also run out of the UK, so a lot of them will go to the UK, they'll go to Turkey, because they're, it's easier for them to operate, I guess.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  And then you have, I know this sounds crazy as well, you have Publishers Clearinghouse scammers that deal out of Jamaica. And they pretend to be the Publishers Clearinghouse, and they target senior citizens and say they've won earnings and they steal money, those people are pretty crazy too.

• 38:03Shawn Ryan?

  What about China?

• 38:07Shawn Ryan?

  Lot.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  China's pretty gnarly, I would say. Um, they're more the money moving apparatus.

• 38:15Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  I would say, um.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  They're more worried about like, I think stealing like intellectual property.

• 38:23Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  And, um. But the, the moving of money, they're really good about doing that. Setting up LLCs, um, students coming over here to the US, uh, to study. And overstaying their visa, things like that. So the guys that got arrested, the high majority were not US citizens. And they're gonna go to jail and then get deported after that.

• 38:51Shawn Ryan?

  How long do they go to jail for? Do you have any idea?

• 38:53Speaker 02

  Um, the crimes are supposed to be up to life because you're looking at, um, the amount of money that was being stolen and then also with it being wire fraud and elder fraud. So they can, the DOJ can stack like a bunch of charges. That's why it took so long. And the hope is that they're in jail for a long time. I think it's like 20 to 40 years and then they get deported.

• 39:16Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And there's plenty more out there.

• 39:22Shawn Ryan?

  There's just an endless.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:23Shawn Ryan?

  Endless funnel, right?

• 39:24Speaker 02

  It's an endless supply and our population's only getting older and technology's only getting better.

• 39:31Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, do you have any statistics on like, how many times a day this happens? What's the average age of a victim?

• 39:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, the ones that we see, like, we've seen victims be college aged and fall. There's like a social security scam where they used to run one out of India where they would call up and pretend to be the SSA, the Social Security Administration.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  And they would say like, hey, there's an abandoned vehicle. And this sounds so stupid, I know, I'm gonna tell you the story though. Um, there's an abandoned vehicle in Texas. It's a rental car with all of your information in there and

• 40:10Speaker 02

  a bunch of drugs, cocaine, heroin, and

• 40:14Speaker 02

  a bunch of money laundering's been happening under your name. Is that you? And then the person's obviously like, no, that's not me, like, no. And they're like, well, we need to see what's going on with your bank accounts. Do you have all these bank accounts? No, we don't have that. Okay, well, how much money do you have in your Bank of America? Well, I have $30,000. Okay, well, there's been some type of identity theft that's happened. We work for the Social Security Administration. My name is Alex LeBron. I'm an agent with the SSA. It sounds so absurd, but this happens all the time. And they would say, well, the only way to safeguard your money from this crazy crime that's been happening, if it's not you, is to take your money out and you need to send it to like a safety locker so that we can investigate.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  If you don't do that, we're gonna send a federal agent to your house.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  And there's stories of college students taking out all their money, you know, for college, 30,000. And there's one in the state of Georgia, college student took out all their money from this specific scam. So you could, my point is you could be 20 years old or you could be, you know, average, we see 55, 65 years old that are getting scammed. The scammers are going for big bucks now. They're not going for a couple hundred dollars. They will hang up on someone that doesn't have money. They buy data on victims that are in affluent areas. Um, they know like net worth and things like that. Um, they have insiders at banking, uh, companies that will extract data and give it to them.

• 41:43Shawn Ryan?

  No shit.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. I've seen it.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Uh, checking account, savings account, dot, like dollar amounts, social security numbers, address, phone number, all of it. So when you have that data, you could scam anybody. I could call you and say, hey, I'm your bank. Here's all your data. And they'd be like, oh yeah, that is, that is true. Well, someone's hacked your account, so you need to go move it immediately. And they'll, they'll go and do that. Happens every day. We see it, we have thousands of scammer connections, uh, that are, it's just rolling because they go online, offline. They destroy their computers, they buy new ones. Um, it's just this cat and mouse game that we have to stay on top of.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  It's a never ending cycle.

• 42:30Shawn Ryan?

  Shit. So I mean, when we say foreign actors, are they, are these mob organizations, terrorist organizations? Or are these actual foreign government organizations or all of the above?

• 42:44Speaker 02

  Um, so I think the, I, I think the laundering side could be probably tied to some type of crime organization. I would assume some pretty gnarly groups that get, you know, when you're laundering money, you're not just laundering it for scam. You're probably laundering money for other things.

• 43:02Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Um, there's also been probably ties overseas with terrorist groups. Um, I don't have a specific one, but we've heard of that happening, um, just with the nature of the areas that the, some of these call centers deal in. Um, and then, yeah, it's like, I don't know about necessarily like nation states, like, you know, trying to influence it from there, but if there's money involved, there's like, we, we dealt with an Indian call center where they had politicians that owned the call centers.

• 43:34Speaker 02

  Um, and, you know, these are, there's big businessmen that own call centers and they run a business during the day and then they have a scam business at night and it's all hidden and everybody's in on it.

• 43:46Shawn Ryan?

  Wow, so let's go back to the $65 million bust. I mean, so what was your involvement in that?

• 43:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, um, great question. So I was trying to kind of like paint the picture of like how all this stuff works. Um, or at least kind of get to the edge of it here, but essentially these guys, we started sending people physically, um, to see who's on the other end of collecting this money. And that kind of got some interest, I guess, from the government. Cause they're like, oh wow, there's actual victims and there are these people going around stealing money from people.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  So, cause we collect the information of the people when we confront them. So we had like their ID card and their rental car. You know, they're really good, dude. Like they stay at Airbnbs, they get rental cars, they have burner phones. They are really good at what they do. This shows a, this shows a crime organization to me. When you're taking all these steps, this isn't just a random person. So we obviously gave over the information and one person leads to all these others. So, um, it started with a phone call. I pretended to be a victim and I went through the scam bait where I baited the scammers in from India. And then they reach out to someone here locally in the US and say, hey, there's gonna be $50,000 going to this place. And then I sent a package.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  I had the best UPS store guy ever, cause he knew what I did. And he let me use like fake names and stuff. And we would send packages with like nothing in it. But you had to have a physical package so that they could track it, uh, through UPS. And then the scammers in India, they tracked this package, they send it to the people here in the US and then that person is waiting for a package to show up. And then it was us that was there. And then one guy leads to a bunch of them. So after that though, like.

• 45:41Shawn Ryan?

  Are these guys dangerous?

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Like, yeah, that's why I never really went out there myself.

• 45:45Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 45:46Speaker 02

  I sent somebody else.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. They, they're pretty dangerous.

• 45:52Shawn Ryan?

  Are they armed?

• 45:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:56Shawn Ryan?

  How do you know that? Any incidents?

• 45:58Speaker 02

  Uh, no, the guys that, there's like initial runners and then they run the cash or the gold to somebody else. And one of the guys that we stopped was like, hey, like, these guys are in a hotel set up with like guns and all, it's crazy. Like I have to do this, my life is at stake. And they like forced him to do it for a couple hundred bucks. Because they put these like runners out there to collect the money. And if they get busted, like so be it. You know, the real crime like once, is once you kind of peel back the onion and go back a little further, you know? So, um, it is very dangerous. Like once you get physical, like face to face with somebody, that confrontation. I worked through like the shadows of the computers and the phone and stuff.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  And, um, but we can set up like,

• 46:47Speaker 02

  again, if, if a scammer knows a package is going somewhere, like, they're gonna go for that money.

• 46:53Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  And on the other side now, it'll be law enforcement or somebody instead of like a civilian, like.

• 46:59Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:01Shawn Ryan?

  Who's volunteering? I mean, who and who are you getting to volunteer for this?

• 47:05Speaker 02

  I mean, there's, there are like YouTubers in the space that like will go out and do it.

• 47:10Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  For like videos and stuff.

• 47:12Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  And just kind of similar to like the, like the pedo hunters that will go and confront someone that's there to see a kid. We will confront someone to go steal money from grandma. It's very similar. And, um, the thing though with that is like, it's great, but like I started to realize like,

• 47:32Speaker 02

  what's the end goal?

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Like, the end goal for me is mass numbers of arrests and victims saved. So, um, I never make videos on that, on the confrontations. If I get the information, it's going directly to authorities so they can arrest somebody.

• 47:52Shawn Ryan?

  Are they? I mean, are you, what's your experience working with them? They take it seriously? I mean, they realize it's a real problem? Are they, are they putting actual resources towards it?

• 48:09Shawn Ryan?

  Well, that doesn't sound promising.

• 48:12Speaker 02

  I mean, like, so I'm really proud of the indictments that happened. I'm extremely proud of it.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  I think that there should be a coalition that happens between banks, technology, government, federal and state and local. And I would love to head that up. I know there's an executive order that came out on scams and nobody called me. That would have been cool to give my expertise on what we see, how to stop it. So we have to like, take things in our own hands. Sometimes, a lot of times.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  I think that the government cares about protecting people. I don't think they know how.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  And it's such a widespread thing. The hardest part, Sean, is that these scammers use so many systems that don't talk to each other. So how do you protect something when you get one side of it, but then you don't get the other four? Like, you're just watching. It's like in security, like in cybersecurity, it's like, you can't protect the house if you don't know how many doors and locks there are, right? And windows, right? It's like just basic stuff. So you could throw a billion dollars at it. I'll take a billion dollars from the government if they want me to do it, I guess, you know? But like, we're too worried doing the other stuff we're doing, I guess.

• 49:30Shawn Ryan?

  What, what other stuff?

• 49:32Speaker 02

  All the other things we have going on, like, we spend so much money, you know, like,

• 49:37Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah. Okay, that stuff. Yeah.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  We spent, like, we spend trillions of dollars. We have these crazy budgets and everything and the wealth of the, of the US is being just siphoned away. Cut by cut, little cut by little cut, elderly person by elderly person. It's really sad, man. Like, I think the government does care. They just don't know how to stop it.

• 49:58Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know if they do care. I just, I don't, I mean, Besant said, what, there's, there's an estimated $600 billion in fraud in the US alone every year.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  That's reported.

• 50:14Shawn Ryan?

  Every year.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  It's even reported.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  That's even reported, man.

• 50:18Shawn Ryan?

  What do they want to do? Raise taxes? Let's not, let's not go after the $600 billion in fraud that's happening.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:27Shawn Ryan?

  Every year. Let's just raise tax. That's just government fraud.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:32Shawn Ryan?

  Like, you know, like the Somali

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:35Shawn Ryan?

  Loring centers and like, the fake daycares and all this shit. That's just that kind of stuff.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Did anything ever come of that, by the way?

• 50:43Shawn Ryan?

  Um, I don't know. I don't think anything ever comes of anything with the US government.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  Being a YouTuber, I just, being a YouTuber, we try to shine as much light on things as we can. Light is the best disinfectant, I guess. And we've tried to put as much pressure on India to do something.

• 51:04Shawn Ryan?

  Have you had any, have you had any success with that?

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did something with Mark Rober. A couple of other YouTubers in my space. We did something with Mark Rober.

• 51:15Shawn Ryan?

  I love that guy. You're working with him?

• 51:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did like, um, we actually did glitter bombs.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  So you know, like the guys that pick up the packages?

• 51:25Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  One of the ladies was in Texas and we sent a package, but instead of the package arriving, he pretended to be FedEx and they dropped off a package to this person. And she goes to open it up and it's a freaking glitter bomb and like explodes all over her and stuff like that. And then the police were there to arrest her.

• 51:47Shawn Ryan?

  That sucks.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. But they did some stuff in a call center. They did another video. Mark did with some other guys in my space where they went into a call center and like, put rats out and all the stuff in the call center. But the thing is, is like, we exposed these huge, like, thousand, thousand employee call centers in India that are like regular businesses, but then at nighttime, they're stealing, whatever, hundreds of millions from people. And these bosses make all this crazy amount of money and have, you know, resorts in Goa, India, which is like on the west side of India. They take their money and move it into, you know, dark money into, you know, I guess, good money or whatever, real businesses.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  So they're good about moving the money around. So, um, we just try to like, what my point is with that is

• 52:40Speaker 02

  when we put the pressure on India, they had to do something like those videos, like on some of the call centers we exposed, it was like hundreds of millions of views. So at some point, someone has to do something. Like in these cities, like they have to do something to save face. So that's really what we've known as the best way of doing it is like exposing, exposing, exposing. Here's the location. Here's the exact geolocation of this call center or the scammer. Here's their IP address. Here's the evidence of their scams. They need like three victims and they need victim statements and all this stuff. It's like, it's worse than like, getting like a, buying a house. Like, you have to go through all these things to get someone arrested. Sucks.

• 53:22Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I want to get more into that one a little bit later, but I mean, just, you just, US government, like, have they done?

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:29Shawn Ryan?

  Have they done anything to like, protect citizens from this kind of shit?

• 53:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 53:35Shawn Ryan?

  I'll just, I'll give you a couple of examples. Like, we've exposed a lot of shit on this show. You know, just, not just the stuff with Brian and Schlep, but like, this flag, for example. Like, we exposed that we, the US government is sending the Taliban $80 million a week in cash.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 53:54Shawn Ryan?

  $80 million a week in cash.

• 53:56Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 53:57Shawn Ryan?

  We exposed that like two years ago, maybe a little, little longer now. And so it was exposed by a Afghan-American army intelligence guy. Uh, goes by the name Legend. And he goes over there and kind of fights with the resistance or helps the resistance or, or whatever. And he brought that flag back when, when he exposed that on the show. That was from the Taliban burning it.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 54:24Shawn Ryan?

  We got this thing blown up. All these congressmen were talking about it. Senators were talking about it. Promises were made. Nothing's happened.

• 54:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:33Shawn Ryan?

  Of course, nothing's happened. That's just, you know, that's billions of dollars now.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:38Shawn Ryan?

  That we're sending to a organization that we fought for 20 plus years. Still fighting them in different parts of the world.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  I don't, you know, and it's like, nothing happens.

• 54:52Shawn Ryan?

  Government's very aware of all the, you know, the pedo shit and sex exploitation that's going on with kids.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:58Shawn Ryan?

  I don't see anything happening. You know, they're aware of the scammer stuff. I'm hoping you're going to say they're doing something. Probably not anything significant. You know, and so I, what I've found just personally and, and, and bringing things to the light is the government will do nothing. You know, there's a saying, you know, nobody's going to come save you. And so I, I think that, you know, whether it's, whether we're talking about parents that want to protect their kids from pedophiles and sexual exploitation or, or, or, or, you know, the stuff that's going on on Roblox, which is the exact same thing, or the stuff that you're talking about. I think, I think the only real impact that we can have, like, yeah, you can put pressure on the government.

• 55:43Shawn Ryan?

  And you might get a win here and there, but, and you, and you might get some people unseated. You know what I mean? We've done that. We've got some people unseated from the government that were turds that don't need to be in there. But did it really solve anything? Cause just another turd that's going to take their spot.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:00Shawn Ryan?

  And so I think the biggest thing you can do, what you're doing, is you educate as many people as you possibly can.

• 56:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:09Shawn Ryan?

  This is what's happening. This is how it's happening. This is how easy it is to fall for. And, and, and, and you, you educate the population on, on, on those things. This is what you can do to stop it.

• 56:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:24Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and, and that word spreads fast. I mean, as you've seen, I mean,

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:31Shawn Ryan?

  You have an enormous audience.

• 56:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, we've reached like a billion and a half people, um, on YouTube and I don't know how many hundreds of millions or whatever, everywhere else, but billion and a half views on our videos. And it's pointing at how these scams work. And that's one of the most fulfilling things is when uh, someone, a banker comes up to me and says, hey, like, we recognized this thing that was happening and we shut it down because we watch your videos. Or, um, someone in the comments, there's like a kid that had a, heard a grandpa on the phone getting gift cards at a Publix of all places. He was 12 years old. And he told everyone that it was a scam and saved a grandpa. And this kid's 12 years old. And I think that's what we're trying to do the best so we can is inspire people.

• 57:18Speaker 02

  When you, it's one thing to have the knowledge, but then when you're hearing something, like going and doing something, with like the see something, say something kind of an idea. Because I, I do think that the government kind of wants to do something. They, they are doing things to help us. But it's like, not as agile and as fast as I, I don't understand why they can't move faster. That's the stuff that kind of bothers me. Like a startup company, like, my, my guys in our office, like the team we work with, we get information so fast. And then it's like, you, you give it to them and it's like, goes to the abyss sometimes.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  And you're like, where's the follow-up? Like, not so I can make a video necessarily, but it's like, I want to know that that person's safe or whatever. Or did we catch the guy? Like, and I feel, I don't know, I just would love to see there be more, um, attention paid to this because it's not like, it's not.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  It's not as like well known, I guess, like everyone knows about scams, but they think like, well, I haven't been impacted by it. So it's not that big of a deal.

• 58:29Shawn Ryan?

  What have they done?

• 58:31Speaker 02

  Um, I mean, that was, that was nice. The indictment. That was a start. I think I would like to see India extraditing these bosses to the US. I would love to see that.

• 58:44Shawn Ryan?

  Are we talking about the Indian government or are we talking about the US government?

• 58:47Speaker 02

  Well, US and India working together.

• 58:49Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  But obviously I don't know what the relationships are like there. Like, hey, can you guys extradite this call center boss that has stolen? Whatever 10 million dollars this year from a thousand US citizens telling them that they have child pornography on their computers.

• 59:06Shawn Ryan?

  So how do, what is happening there? Are they, they're, they're relying on you and your team to do all the work? And then maybe they'll go make an arrest after you've laid all of the groundwork.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:15Shawn Ryan?

  That's what's happening?

• 59:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:18Shawn Ryan?

  What a joke. I'm sorry.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  I mean, I like it. And so

• 59:25Speaker 02

  we try to set up stings as much as possible to catch these guys on the other side. The hard part is that the scammer is overseas.

• 59:32Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  So they're doing the best that they can to get somebody here. And a lot of the times these call centers that are in India, they don't personally know the person here in the US that's getting the money. It's a whole different crime group. So there's no like connection outside, like they find people on Telegram. They find people on these crypto exchanges, like you could, there's exchanges where you can, you can trade gift cards for crypto. So you could literally take $5,000 of target gift cards and send a code to somebody on the internet and then they'll send you crypto.

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  And that's what a lot of these guys, how they find them. So there's no like direct ties. Like if you catch the person here in the US, you're not going to find the guy in India. And that's how good of a system they have, man. It's like, so it's like they're chasing this side. And they go after these big ones like the 65 million. And then, but the other side, I'm really worried about like the guys in India, like how come they can't get in trouble? And they know they're like invincible.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  And that sucks, man. That's why we destroyed their computers.

• 1:00:38Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  Cause like at least

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  at least we're doing something to like, or exposing them, their faces, stuff like that.

• 1:00:47Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, how did you, how did you even get into this? I mean, we talked about the, I think 65 year old grandma, but even before that, like, how did this stuff pop on your radar?

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, like my brother in law actually showed me these videos. And it was 2019. And like, he was like, hey, like, I thought he was going to show me like a car video because he's a big car guy.

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  And like, I was like, I don't want to watch a car video. Like, I don't know, like anything about cars, dude, like, you know, he's a great guy, but I just don't know anything about cars. Like I'm not the guy to talk about cars with. And I won't pretend like, I'm not going to like try to make you happy. But I was trying to make him happy and I realized I'm like, oh, this is, this is a computer video. I'm like, what is this? And he's like, oh, it's these guys and these call centers and this guy calls them up and they're yelling back and forth. And I'm like, this is amazing. Like this is action. Like this is fun for me. Like this guy's calling up scammers, getting on their computers and destroying them. And they're like cussing each other out. And I'm like, this is amazing entertainment. Like I stayed up till like four in the morning watching it. And you don't see anything. All you do is you see the screens of the computer.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  And then you have two people yelling at each other. You don't see the faces or anything, but I was so intrigued by it. And then I remember watching like a, a video from, it was like this mashup on YouTube of Joe Rogan and Gary Vee. And it was like, should I quit my job? It was so, it was really weird. It was like about, you know, like I had a career in cybersecurity. And it was like fulfillment in life. Like I had a family and a, a house and a car and a career, but like something was like kind of missing. And I thought it was like career wise, but um, come to find past few years, it's been faith. Is what's really missing. That's really the only thing that can fulfill. That's a whole nother story. But um, once I found this genre on YouTube, I was like, this is freaking amazing.

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  So I told my wife and I was like, hey, I want to start calling these guys up. I'm like, I feel like I could do this. And she's like, go ahead and do it. So I'd wake up at four in the morning and like call these guys up and I would pretend to be grandma and just kind of prank call them. And um, then I started doing the thing where you would like reverse the access where they give you access to their computer. And that was like really fun. It's very like nerve wracking. But it's like such an adrenaline rush when the scammer lets you on their computer. Which is crazy to think about. They allow you on their computer and then you get to cause havoc. And then I started doing live streams and making videos and

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  in 2019, I went from 35 subscribers. I remember I was on a vacation with my wife, telling everyone I was a YouTuber at 35 subs. And I was just proud of doing it. I don't know. I was like doing something different, like creating, like I feel like um, God is the ultimate creator and he created us to like go out and be and do and live life. And um, there was just like this fulfillment of like making something, like whether it's a business or a YouTube channel. And I just, it was just something that was so different on the inside. Whenever I'd make a video, just you're like, you know, like an artist, you're making something. And uh, then went from 35 subs where I was really happy telling everyone I do YouTube, which is really silly to think about looking back.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  But I was just so proud of it. And then into 17,000 subscribers. For some reason that stands out to me in August of 2019 to a hundred thousand to half a million to, you know, the numbers it's at now. Where you don't really look at the numbers anymore.

• 1:04:21Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Um, and it's, it's shifted from prank calling into this like vigilanteism type thing. Where now you have like the weight of the world on your shoulders because one, you're, you've got employees, you're trying to

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  make the audience happy with the videos. You're trying to save people every day. You're trying to give information to law enforcement so they can go after bad guys. All of these things, and it's not just making YouTube videos anymore. I did not know what I was signing up for.

• 1:04:53Shawn Ryan?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, I can, uh, I can relate a little bit.

• 1:04:58Shawn Ryan?

  How many, do you have any idea how many scammers you've caught?

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  I mean, I think in the last year and a half, it's like five to 8,000 scammers.

• 1:05:10Shawn Ryan?

  Shit. Did you say that in the past year and a half?

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Shawn Ryan?

  Five to 8,000 scammers?

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:05:17Shawn Ryan?

  Wow, that's

• 1:05:20Shawn Ryan?

  that's a lot of that's how, so how many is that a day?

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  Um, at our peak, we were, um, when I say catching.

• 1:05:29Shawn Ryan?

  Year and a half, five to 8,000 scammers. I mean, shit, man.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think

• 1:05:33Shawn Ryan?

  1,000 a year is like three a day.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. One of my guys is he'll, his name is Knight. He'll probably

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  make me backtrack that number, but I'm pretty sure that was the number that we had over the past like year and a half was around five to 8,000. And it's a rolling number of scammers that are online that we have access to. So when I mean access, it means we can see their screen. We could type on their keyboard from overseas. We could use their mouse. We can listen to their scams. We can collect information on them. We can geolocate them within 10 meters. We can find anywhere, any, whatever they're doing, as long as they're connected to the internet.

• 1:06:09Shawn Ryan?

  So basically you're infiltrated inside networks right now and they don't even realize it.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  Yes. We're listening to them. We're recording them. We're watching them. We're saving their victims under their nose. They have no idea. And they get mad actually when they have the victims in the package. They get mad at the, the guy that's collecting. They think it's his fault. Or they think it's FedEx's problem, but it's, it's us because we're stopping it. Uh, we've stopped wire transfers. We actually um, a couple of days ago, we stopped a scam where the guy had stolen crypto. Like the crypto went into his wallet. I watched it happen. Like the numbers changing. And we have um, a law enforcement friend, actually out of Canada, and he deals with US law enforcement.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  And he was able to get it stopped and like the funds frozen and reversed and everything. The guy was scamming someone out of Australia. And it's just crazy. It's like every day you walk in the office and depending upon who's online, you have just a whole different slew of problems.

• 1:07:10Shawn Ryan?

  How many people do you have working for you?

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  Um, we have one guy on the tech side that does a lot of the hacking. So we would bring in like 100 to 150 scammers a day.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  And he builds certain infrastructure. And there are certain things I can't say about our, our operation because we, the scammers like study us now and what we do. And they're very paranoid about us, but we have like 10 different ways to get ahead of them. And we use what they do against them, just like they've used stuff against us, we use stuff against them. So we socially engineer them. We have three or four different mechanisms of staying on their systems and watching them and stopping their scams, all while being very silent. The only time they know it's us is when we destroy their computer at the end and we're very loud. We'll deep fry their microphones.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  We'll, we'll do piercing noises in their ears and they have headsets on. We will do little cricket chirps. Like they'll be sitting there and you'll hear a cricket chirping. And they're like, where's that sound coming from? And then all of a sudden their computer goes kaput with all these things that happen on their screen. So it's a numbers game for us. They're constantly changing their computers out and we're constantly re-adding them every day.

• 1:08:31Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think happens to these, you know, what do you think happens to these guys within the organization when they, when they botch one because you guys have infiltrated? Do you think they get killed or? There's gotta be held up there. I would imagine it's very similar to cartel, cartel mule, muling money.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's pretty gnarly out there in India. The tech support scams originated in Delhi. There's a lot of support, tech support out there. And they thought like, well, we're doing legitimate tech support for actual companies, Microsoft, et cetera. And then some of these guys spun off and were like, well, what if we like, kind of made our own thing where we could be a cheaper version of tech support? So we'll still do tech support and we'll fix people's computers just remotely, fix their printers, all that stuff. Well, how do we get more leads? What do we do? We'll actually force people to us.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  We will pay for ads and pretend to be support or we'll force pop-ups. People are surfing the web and we'll force, what they do is they pay for pop-ups to happen on people's computers that says there's a virus on their computer and to call this number immediately. So instead of, they went from like real tech support into this, we're forcing people to call us so that we can scam them. And that's like the spectrum of where it's gone to. So you have these crime organizations in India that have set up these frameworks of how to scam US citizens in Canada and Australia and Europe. And the bosses at the top, they run it like a mafia infrastructure. And they take their phones when they come in.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  They hire young kids from different areas that are on, you know, they have no means of income and they force them to do this. They say it's a tech support job or a sales job.

• 1:10:24Shawn Ryan?

  Sounds like trafficking.

• 1:10:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very similar to that. There was a call center in northern India that they would fly the scammers into. And they kind of had like, I call it like seasons almost, like they would bring them in for like three, four months and then send them home to go see their families, bring them back. And they lived in the call centers. We had access to the CCTV cameras so we could see them at all hours. And they would sleep on cots. It was terrible conditions. They had rats crawling on them. There was one kid that had an insider that we paid to be an insider at the call center. And he said that one of the guys that he worked next to, literally I could see him on the cameras. He would like wave at me sometimes.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  And he would text me and he's like, yeah, one of the guys overdosed on drugs and the call center boss's name was Krishna Yadav. They owed money to that guy's family and they would not, they like spit on his grave pretty much, he said, like did not give the family the money that he was owed, even though he died in their call center, died in the call center.

• 1:11:32Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  It's, uh, it's crazy. They will beat, they will threaten, they'll beat their people, threaten them.

• 1:11:40Shawn Ryan?

  So it's, it's slavery.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, the ones that get stuck in there and they can't get out in the call centers, it's really, it's very sad.

• 1:11:47Shawn Ryan?

  How big are these call centers?

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  Um, in their high time, it was a thousand people.

• 1:11:52Shawn Ryan?

  A thousand people?

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:55Shawn Ryan?

  Were they having forces running around?

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, if you think about this, it's at nighttime. So India is 10 and a half hours ahead of us. So what is like 12 o'clock here, business hours here is like super late for them. So can you imagine like walking around India and then going into this huge building where during the day, there's like actual companies working and then at nighttime you have a thousand people. So they have security guards, they have gates. We had, one of my guys was in India literally last month and he uses the bathroom trick to get in, he says, like he has to use the bathroom. And there's people inside of these call centers, inside of these buildings at three in the morning. What are you doing at three in the morning? Nothing good. So it's not to say every building, every call center is a scam one, but like the ones

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  that we know of, like they, they even ran out of government buildings sometimes. And they're paying rent to be in a government building to scam people. Like it's, there's another guy, Carl Rock, that is a YouTuber and he actually lives in India. And he would go around and he's like a vlogger. And he would go around and he would, you know, he loves India and, and the culture and all that kind of stuff. And he showed like he ate outside of a call center. It was the Weeble IT Park in Siliguri, uh, India. And the Weeble IT Park is a government building. Now there's other valid businesses and things happening there, but then scam call centers are like hidden away.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  We had another call center raid in Hyderabad, India. And they were on the fifth floor and we found their location and Hyderabad police went in and raided them and things like that. And now where they're going with like, since COVID's happened, they're doing the work from home bit, like the US has done. Where they have these like, from a tech standpoint, they're using, the scammers are using like phone systems, like, uh, like cloud phone systems. So they dial in, they log into a phone system and then they run software on their computer. So whenever a victim calls in, it just gets routed to them. So they're working from home and it allows them to not be in a big call center anymore.

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  Instead of like a big raid that happens, we're like hitting them one by one now, which sucks for us. But it's, it's because we're putting so much pressure on them. So.

• 1:14:18Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  Sure.

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• 1:19:30Shawn Ryan?

  What else do we need to know about this whole apparatus? Do they have any of these call centers? Are they, are any of them in the US?

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  They wouldn't dare do that here. Then the feds would be all up in their stuff, man, if it was in the US. Again, the money laundering side is here. And then there have been cases of the grandma scam, which I was telling you earlier, where it's like you get, the grandma gets a phone call saying, I'm your grandson, I'm in trouble, I'm in jail, I need money to get out. And they will, those people call and then they drive up to the grandma's house and collect money and stuff that there are, there have been cases where people have been arrested for doing that in the US and they're US citizens.

• 1:20:15Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk about, so we got the players, the room. Let's talk about the tools. You know, I know that, you know, going through the outline, there was voice recognition stuff. You had talked about them accessing cameras, they got access to your computers. What social media platforms are they using? Like what is, what are the tools that they're using to do?

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  From their side to us or our side to them?

• 1:20:37Shawn Ryan?

  Their side to us.

• 1:20:38Speaker 02

  Their side to us. So it all starts with how they find their victims. So that's the first thing. Data breaches. That's like the source of a lot of pain nowadays. So there's data brokers that are out there that buy and sell our information.

• 1:21:02Shawn Ryan?

  This is marketing. This is marketing companies.

• 1:21:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very nice if you'd call it marketing.

• 1:21:06Shawn Ryan?

  What, what else do you call it?

• 1:21:08Speaker 02

  Data brokers.

• 1:21:10Shawn Ryan?

  Are you familiar with Byron Tau? I just had him on earlier this week. And he wrote, he wrote a book on all this stuff. And so it, and we were talking about the sale of data. And how you can get a whole block for like 2,500 bucks. That's how this shit's happening?

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  That's one of the ways, yes. And I don't think it's very fair that someone can buy and sell my data without my, hey, you can do that. I will, I allow you to buy and sell my data. So the scammers, they obviously, they're like a good old boy group, kind of, or they pass along data themselves. And there'll be these huge spreadsheets that have 100,000 people in them. And then what they'll do is they have, they use, I told you earlier, they use our tools against us. So they create Amazon web instances, like cloud instances, virtual machines.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  They log into them and they have programmed some type of a tool that will mass email. They send out these mass emails to this list of 100,000 people. I mean, it could be millions of people, it doesn't matter. But they send this email out and the email is like, hey, we're Amazon, you've been charged for an iPhone for $1,500, you need to call this number if it wasn't you. So that's the beginning of it. And the other thing that they're really good about doing is sending these mass emails out. You would think, well, wouldn't Google stop this? Wouldn't Gmail stop this? And the fact of the matter is, is like their spam protection's always been really bad. It just has for years, like years and years, really, really bad.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  So the scammers know how to get around all the spam protection. And they're literally sending PDF files, which is crazy to me because they're not malicious anyway, but the, on the inside, it's malicious, if that makes sense. And that just goes to show that because Google's scanning files that are being sent. So if you're, if you send a virus to someone in email, it's going to get scanned and say, hey, this is a malicious file. But if you send a PDF, that's a phishing PDF, they will never know the difference.

• 1:23:16Shawn Ryan?

  So we have to click on a link inside the PDF? Or you just open the PDF?

• 1:23:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you open the PDF on your computer or your phone and it says, it looks like whatever Norton or it looks like Amazon or PayPal. A lot of the big ones PayPal, they pretend to be. They try to hit ones that everybody has, right? And then this is just one of the ways they hit people. And then the grandma sees that, they're like, I didn't buy. A lot of times they'll say that you bought a gun and that gives people this like negative reaction. I didn't buy a gun, what are you talking about? And then you call them up and that's where the scam starts. It's not them calling you anymore, it's you calling them.

• 1:23:55Shawn Ryan?

  So the opening the PDF file doesn't give them access? All right, I about shit my pants because I just did this.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  That can't happen.

• 1:24:02Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, great.

• 1:24:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. There, there is, uh, yeah, there's.

• 1:24:06Shawn Ryan?

  And then, and then the follow-up, all my email got hacked, I hope anybody, you know, and I'm like, shit, I just changed the password. I don't know what else to do.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Two-factor helps as well. Like I would use an authenticator application to, uh, to run two-factor, that's really helpful.

• 1:24:22Shawn Ryan?

  I do that on everything.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  Instead of using like a cell phone, you know, like you get the code texted to you, use the app instead. Cause those numbers, those token, they're called tokens, they're constantly rolling and changing. People can do like SIM swapping if they really want to get someone. They could get access to an email, do SIM swapping and be able to intercept essentially your two-factor. Like if Gmail sent you a two-factor code, they could intercept it. They pay people at the cell companies to like give access to it. It's so, it's so ridiculous. These are the things that like, what, what do you do to stop all this? Honestly, like where does it go? Cause these guys are buying your data.

• 1:25:04Speaker 02

  They're sending these mass emails out that the, everyone uses Gmail. So like, and Gmail's not stop, I see the emails happen all the time. So Gmail's not stopping it. And then grandma calls up and what happens is then the scammers use free software to access the victim's computer. Or they'll use, there's a thing called Quick Assist that's within Microsoft's operating system. It's literally installed on everyone's computer. So you already have a backdoor in.

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  And they say, go to quick assist and tell us the code. And then within 30 seconds, they're on the victim's computer. And then they're starting to load all their other software on the victim's computer. That they'll be able to see them without ever knowing ever again. And that's outside of even running the scam. They just have access forever. I watch them all the time going into people's computers to steal money. We do everything we can to stop it. I want your audience to know, like, whenever we see something, we don't just like, let it go. But the sheer number of like, it's like worse than whack a mole. There's lots of moles popping up out of the, out of the ground. And you're constantly trying to stop this. It's, it's so exhausting. So they connect in. Um, they use a tool to remotely access.

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  A lot of times it's within, and the reason why I'm saying within Microsoft, right? If they have a Windows computer. The reason why I'm saying that is because that's not malicious. Like they're using tactics that in cybersecurity, a hacker would use something non malicious on a computer. So it doesn't get, you know, it doesn't hit antivirus, for instance. So if you load a piece of malware antivirus, hey, this is malware. If you load a remote tool that is not malicious inherently, it's not used to do malicious things. Then Microsoft's like, oh yeah, go ahead and use that, even though it's being used right now for something malicious. That's why it's very difficult to stop these scams. Cause none of this stuff looks at behavior.

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  This all looks like security is like, is this good or bad? If it's good, let it happen. If it's bad, stop it.

• 1:27:10Shawn Ryan?

  So they're, you're, they're, they're getting people to download an actual tool.

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:27:14Shawn Ryan?

  And then they, and then they're in.

• 1:27:16Speaker 02

  And then they're in and

• 1:27:17Shawn Ryan?

  Forever.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  Forever. Cannot, well, we can uninstall it, but the regular person cannot uninstall it. And it's, I don't, I don't want to say remote tools or malware. I'm not saying that. But when it's, I'm, they're using it in the sense of malware and the way of like, always having access. So they do that. And then they are literally sitting at the victim's computer screen, watching, uh, listening. They open up the victim's webcams constantly to watch them and see who they're dealing with. They take screenshots of the victim's bank accounts. They steal their passwords. They steal, they will even go as far as adding their email to the person's Gmail. So anytime they got an email, it gets forwarded to them. They will, uh, create crypto accounts.

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  They'll create LLCs, create bank accounts. And this is all in addition to the actual scam they're trying to do where they, um, try to steal everything out of their account. Not only do they want to steal their account, they want to steal their identity too. That's where I'm seeing, and it's, that's really where it's getting bad now. To steal someone's identity.

• 1:28:23Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 1:28:25Speaker 02

  We've been watching.

• 1:28:26Shawn Ryan?

  How long do these people stalk their victims before they pull the trigger? Before they make a move?

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  Um, they, they hit the same day. Um, but what they will do is they'll have a list of 1,500 victims on their software. And it'll be three in the morning. And if they see, they can see anyone who's online. If they see someone online, they'll right click and hit join. And they'll join into that computer and that person's asleep or something or whatever. And then they'll just start roaming through the computer. They'll look at their photos. They'll open up personal tax documents. They'll download them, they'll screenshot them, they'll go through email accounts. They know everything about the person if they want to. They'll go to Amazon. That's one of the first things they'll go to Amazon, start buying gift cards. And they're all electronic gift cards. So you can steal it really easily.

• 1:29:16Speaker 02

  I was telling you earlier, um, they can turn gift cards into crypto in seconds and it's gone. And that, I didn't even tell you about the scam. This is just the access that they have. It's so ridiculous to me. The, the damage they can do to people. We have, there's a homeless guy that one of these scammers are dealing with. Right now, he doesn't have a job. And they're going, they've started an LLC and they've created, made him create multiple bank accounts. And they're going to start laundering money through his name and paying him a cut.

• 1:29:52Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  Nobody knows what's going on, except for us, I guess.

• 1:30:03Shawn Ryan?

  Can you go through some? Let's just stop, start with some of the most common scams.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:11Shawn Ryan?

  I want to go into detail though, you know, how they're, how they're doing it. We, we have talked about, you know, the bank account one where, but I mean, we're talking about people that are, you know, they, they, you know, pretending to be their son, how they rip their voice off, all that kind of stuff. Can you go in?

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:28Shawn Ryan?

  Tell some of those.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, I know that one's like a really interesting one to people because, um, one of the things they do is they'll spoof the phone numbers. And then they'll also, the biggest problem is we put everything online. Everyone wants some hit of some dopamine hit of people liking their stuff or, oh, I'm so jealous you went on this great vacation. But little do you know that there's, out of your 20,000 followers, 10,000 of them are probably scammers. And they're looking at your stories and the pictures you're posting. And if you post a video, they're ripping your audio. And you could take a sample of your audio and create, you could go to 11 labs and, and I could be you.

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  There's scammers that pretend to be me constantly. They take a video of me and it looks like I'm in my office and I'm talking to someone. And it looks and sounds like me, but it's not. So they're doing this and these are really targeted attacks. Just like, there's so many parallels between like cybersecurity and like the enterprise world that I lived in and scamming. Because like, for instance, I want to give you an example. Um, you have someone on LinkedIn, for instance, that is a cybersecurity. I'm a, I'm a SOC, which is security operations center. I'm a SOC engineer for a big company. And they will put in all the stuff they use at this huge company. I use this tool, I use this tool, I use this tool. And I went to Florida state and I love their football team.

• 1:31:58Speaker 02

  And I love shooting guns and I, that, that, all these things, all this information. Cause everybody wants their information out there for whatever reason. They want the likes and, you know, all that stuff. And then a hacker in the enterprise space says, I want to go after that company because I want their data. So I'm going to attack this SOC engineer that has told me all the software that they use. And all of his specific likes of what he does and stuff. So I'm going to craft something to target and attack this person. To be able to gain access to his system, to their network, whatever. And it works a lot of times. Hackers will create, they call them sandboxes. And they will try to create malware in zero days that will bypass a network firewall or an endpoint security tool.

• 1:32:43Speaker 02

  Not going to name any names of any security companies or anything like that. Um, but just because you have XYZ company doesn't mean you're safe. Cause you have the human element and that's what hackers do. And that's what scammers do. So now we talk about that, where they target attacks on people. Same goes for scammers. They see all your stuff on social media, all your videos and all these things. Grandma with her grandchildren. So now grandma knows that she's got 12 grandchildren and all the names of them and what they look like. And where they live and all the audio of them. And yeah, it's sick and disgusting. They could take audio of anyone and say, oh my gosh, I'm, it, I'm in trouble. They're about to do something to me and the panicked voice and all this stuff. And it's AI.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  And it's a guy on the other side pretending to be a grandma's daughter. And she's in trouble. And someone's holding her captive or something. And she has to give money to save her daughter. And it's all technology, scammers in another country, trying to get you to send them money and a lot of money too.

• 1:33:45Shawn Ryan?

  Shit. What else?

• 1:33:50Speaker 02

  Um, so that's like the great, that's that like deep faking AI. Um, I think there's going to be a lot of like sextortion that's going to be happening in the future. Um, like teens are not like, you know, like kids that are on social media and things like that. Um, there's been cases of kids losing, taking their lives because they're getting sextorted for money. And that's something we have to figure out really quickly. Um, and there's actual call centers in like Africa that are doing this. And there are a few guys that were extradited for the death of a Michigan teenager who took his life. They were extradited to the US and are facing charges for that guy. Because these scammers, they, once they get a little bit of hit of money, they will continue on.

• 1:34:35Speaker 02

  $300, $500, $1,000. And what they'll do is they'll say, hey, um, you need to take your life. Because of what you've done, because we're going to send this out to everybody unless you send us more money. And then you have a teenager that has no money. Where did they go? They're too ashamed to tell their parents. That's a whole nother conversation. Why are teenagers afraid to talk to their parents anyway? What's going on in our families? What's going on in our households? Where's the faith? Where's community? Where's any of this stuff? We have kids that are running away to technology and they're getting extorted and losing their lives. Like it's just, it's crazy. So there's that side. There's the grandma scam.

• 1:35:16Speaker 02

  Um, there's also like the pig butchering scams. Are you familiar with these?

• 1:35:22Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  Uh, it's literally the name, pig butchering. It's, the idea is, there's various forms of them. But one I'll tell you is you have someone that is on, let's just say Facebook. And they see an ad for making money, for getting a job. They click on the ad and they start talking to someone on WhatsApp. They put their information in, someone messages them and this person's a successful entrepreneur. They're an investor in crypto. And they show them the photos of how much money they make. And they show their bank accounts and they show the returns. And they're like, hey, I could do this, I could do this with you too. Um, all you got to start is with this much money. And 150 bucks, 100 bucks.

• 1:36:07Speaker 02

  Person that wants to make a bunch of money because they may not have a bunch. They give 150 bucks. That person who's built the rapport, the scammer, built the rapport with the victim. Oh my gosh, you've made a thousand dollars on that 150 bucks. Look in your, look in this account. It's a website that they create and then they spoof it all. So that 150 now is, what is it? 1,150. And that person's excited. Sometimes they can even take the cash out. And then they're like, hey, you should put in some more money. So now they feel a bit more bold and they put in more money. And then that money's made more. And they're like, don't you have more money in your accounts? This is really hot. Crypto's taken off.

• 1:36:46Shawn Ryan?

  I was just talking to the sheriff's department.

• 1:36:50Shawn Ryan?

  A couple of months ago here and they were telling me about this exact scam. It's going viral in this county.

• 1:36:54Speaker 02

  Yep. It's happening everywhere and people, it's people that want to make money fast. And then all of a sudden they put everything in and what happens is they freeze the funds, but there is no funds that you're just sending money to someone. And then at the end, they're like, listen, to get your $150,000 out that you earned, you've got to give us taxes or whatever. They never get the money. And then after a while they're like, oh, I've been scammed. And it's playing on our like, it's not necessarily greed. It's like people trying to make ends meet.

• 1:37:23Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:24Speaker 02

  And that's pig butchering, but I had a guy, I was at the local dump dropping off, I feel like I'm such an old man now, like. But I like find happiness in like going to the dump and like, uh, like, you know, we have like boxes, Amazon boxes, like recycling them versus like waiting for the trash guy to come. Like I drive to the dump, like it makes me feel good when my garage is clean and stuff. So like, I was at the dump and this guy's staring at me and I'm like dropping off boxes. It's not like a place you have conversations. Like, it's not like you and me sitting here like having a talk, like I'm at the dump, like there's flies and stuff like, you know, this guy's staring at me and he's like, he's a YouTube guy, whatever. I'm like, yes.

• 1:38:06Speaker 02

  And he got a pig butchering scam, $550,000. He lost. He lost everything.

• 1:38:13Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 1:38:14Speaker 02

  People are willing to lose everything because they're like afraid of missing out on this, like whether it's crypto or whatever. And they're so easily manipulated by numbers and screens.

• 1:38:27Shawn Ryan?

  $550,000 just gone.

• 1:38:33Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  And again, this isn't, this is like instantly gone. The way that the scammers make people move money, it's instantly gone. It's very scary. And that's a huge, that's where like you'll see a lot of like Chinese and Eastern European scammer. They love playing in that realm. There's also European scammers that have pretended to be companies like Robinhood and Coinbase and they'll call people up that they know somehow have accounts.

• 1:41:07Speaker 02

  And um, they'll call up and say there's a problem with their account. And when you start dealing with crypto, man, it goes so fast. And I'm not saying it's untraceable, but it goes, they're good about moving money, man, especially when you're using crypto. So those are some of those. There's also, um, like the romance scam always makes me laugh, man. Like, we had the landlord of our office building was telling me a story. I won't go too deep on personal of it, but he had a family member that thought she was talking to a country music star. And had been sending like, I think it was 150 or 190,000 dollars to this guy.

• 1:41:52Speaker 02

  And buying phones and shipping them and helping him write a new album. And I'm pretty sure the artist was Garth Brooks, by the way.

• 1:42:03Speaker 02

  I don't think he needs a grandma to seed his next album. You know what I mean? Uh, there's also a lady that was in, I think she was in France and she was being romance scammed by Brad Pitt and she left her husband. And had transferred almost a million dollars to Brad Pitt that was in the hospital. And they were using AI and sending photos. You might have to look up these photos, like the AI photos of Brad Pitt in the hospital. And this woman is leaving her husband to, and she got a lot of shame for it. Because it like went viral.

• 1:42:40Speaker 02

  She was leaving her husband for this guy, for Brad Pitt and sending all their money to him. But what happens is these scammers, they.

• 1:42:47Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:42:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. They find their victims on Facebook, these lonely people on Facebook, on Instagram. And it is not the person on the other side. Who you think you're talking to is not the person, dude. It's like the dead internet theory. Where like the idea that like 99% of the internet is just like all bots and like scammers and stuff. And it's not real. Like people we're talking to in the comments, it's not real.

• 1:43:13Shawn Ryan?

  Dude, I mean, I remember, uh,

• 1:43:17Shawn Ryan?

  this is a long time. This isn't a scam. This, I don't think it's a scam. But I had a really good friend, uh, and, and he would, he would like,

• 1:43:28Shawn Ryan?

  sell all the shit on Facebook or Marketplace.

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:31Shawn Ryan?

  And he would just, he would get a picture of some cute girl showing some cleavage or whatever. And that would be the profile.

• 1:43:38Speaker 02

  Gosh, yeah.

• 1:43:39Shawn Ryan?

  He would sell all the shit, but that would be the profile.

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:42Shawn Ryan?

  And so it would always be guys that were buying all the shit. And then he would, he would be the one that meets them and they're like.

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  He would actually meet them?

• 1:43:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. He would, he was just selling his shit. He wasn't scamming anybody. I guess he was, I guess he was scamming, but you know, they, they, they'd go to buy whatever. A new couch or I don't know, whatever the hell he's selling.

• 1:44:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:04Shawn Ryan?

  And they'd be like, oh, where's that car lady? Be like, oh, that's my sister. There you go. And I'm like, are you shitting me?

• 1:44:10Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 1:44:11Shawn Ryan?

  And he was like, yeah, dude. He was like, it works every time.

• 1:44:14Speaker 02

  That's marketing though. I mean.

• 1:44:16Shawn Ryan?

  It's hilarious.

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  That I don't think there's anything in the TOS about that.

• 1:44:20Shawn Ryan?

  I've been, it's, I think it's hilarious.

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  We live in a, again, I know everyone's talked about this, but that speaks to like, we live in such a connected world, but like also a disconnected world. Where everybody wants this, and I, I tell like a lot of my friends, I don't have many friends anymore. Like as you get older, your friend circle like becomes like one person. Cause you can't like trust anybody, you know?

• 1:44:43Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, I know. Well, especially with, with, with what you do.

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:49Shawn Ryan?

  And what you can bring people and, you know.

• 1:44:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, it's like you, it's you, your, your identity kind of to other people becomes like what you do or whatever on the internet. Versus like, and you're always talking about it. And you're like, I have other things, man.

• 1:45:02Shawn Ryan?

  Lonely man.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:03Shawn Ryan?

  It's lonely.

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  And what like.

• 1:45:06Shawn Ryan?

  How do you deal with that?

• 1:45:12Speaker 02

  My wife has grounded me a lot.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  Like centered me and like.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  What's the most important things in my life? I get to talk with her about and run by her. And my faith is the thing that sustains and has taught me so much. Bible, I had no idea. I grew up in church. I had no freaking idea. Some of these things I've learned over the past couple of years.

• 1:45:37Shawn Ryan?

  You just always on, yeah. Are you always on guard?

• 1:45:42Speaker 02

  I have the type of. I don't know if it's ADHD or something, but like where you're like a little paranoid. And. With people too, it's like.

• 1:45:54Shawn Ryan?

  With meeting new people.

• 1:45:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:56Shawn Ryan?

  That's kind of what I'm getting. How do you, how do you figure out? But you got what close to 10 million subs?

• 1:46:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:02Shawn Ryan?

  And. Everybody knows who you are.

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:06Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of people want something from you.

• 1:46:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:08Shawn Ryan?

  How do you figure out if they're genuine or not? Do you have a checklist?

• 1:46:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, we never like. We never allow anyone like. I had a guy, a guy at like Whole Foods, like, oh, I can do the best voices. Let me come by your office and like. I can be in a video. I'm like, no, like you're not. I appreciate it, dude. Like, I appreciate that you want to be in a video, but like, I don't even know who you are, man. Like, I'm sitting with my son, like, getting food, like, we're eating a pizza together. And it's like.

• 1:46:41Speaker 02

  You know, like my friends from like high school and stuff, they know what I do and they're pretty chill about it, you know? And but I don't. It's not like a badge of honor that like, I want to like come back and prove to everyone like what I do now. And like with people that see me, like, we're very like private, I guess. My wife and I and like our family and. We have a very small circle of people and it's almost like anyone that's outside of the orbit. Like you just, I don't want to say you can't trust, but you can't really trust anyone outside of the orbit. You have to have a small circle. And um. Yeah, like. I hate that. I hate being distrusting of the world and like having that viewpoint.

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  Like. Because like I, I, I have to like go by a pseudonym, you know, like I have to have blue hair. I had blue hair for five years. Like, that's not who I am. And then you like lose track of yourself. You lose track of your actual identity and like you almost like start to separate yourself from like. This online persona and then who you really are. And as I have come back more into alignment with that. And understanding the true like values in my heart, what I believe in my faith and things like that. The most important things that stand out is like faith in my family and other people. Nobody can do anything for me. Nobody can do something like what, nobody can give me something, you know what I mean?

• 1:48:03Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:04Speaker 02

  But I do want true connection with people. I, I really, I, I'm like thirsty for true connection. Someone that. Believes the same things I believe. That like has honesty and integrity. And family based. Like where is that? That's where is that in the world? We've kind of started to see a little bit of a. People going more towards that again.

• 1:48:30Shawn Ryan?

  It's tough, man. It's something I struggle with all the time as well.

• 1:48:35Shawn Ryan?

  I do have kind of a checklist, but I don't want to, I don't really want to go through it here because.

• 1:48:39Speaker 02

  That's her. Yeah, there's someone writing.

• 1:48:41Shawn Ryan?

  All of a sudden, everybody will put the checklist, but um.

• 1:48:44Speaker 02

  I mean, if nobody wants something, if someone doesn't want something from me, I'm very happy, like.

• 1:48:49Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:50Speaker 02

  They don't want me to. They just want to know me for who I am and not what I do.

• 1:49:00Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I, I mean, we're kind of.

• 1:49:04Shawn Ryan?

  One thing that I find really interesting is, I mean, you, you have a lot to offer people.

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:11Shawn Ryan?

  I have a lot to offer people. I know that. I know there's a lot of, you know. Even if they don't know they want something, they want, they don't know what it is yet, they'll. They just want to keep you around for when they do figure out what they want from you.

• 1:49:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, the proximity.

• 1:49:26Shawn Ryan?

  You're a piece of meat.

• 1:49:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:28Shawn Ryan?

  To. I don't know what percentage of the population. A lot of it, vast majority of it. I get the feeling and you know, and but we talk about faith and then you talk about Christ.

• 1:49:43Shawn Ryan?

  And.

• 1:49:45Shawn Ryan?

  A lot of people, I mean. What you do, what I do, what any, you know, doesn't compare to what Christ could do.

• 1:49:52Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:49:52Shawn Ryan?

  They're. Healing the blind, driving demons out of like.

• 1:49:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:58Shawn Ryan?

  Ultimate salvation and uh, you know, healing the sick. And so could you imagine how many people?

• 1:50:07Shawn Ryan?

  Were. Trying to climb up him and you know, yanking.

• 1:50:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:12Shawn Ryan?

  Picking at his ankles, trying to, and so, you know, what I, what I always wonder is like. When I do feel like that, because there are so many people that want something, even it, but most of it's, it's vanity shit that they want, right?

• 1:50:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:27Shawn Ryan?

  But. Like, how did he deal with it?

• 1:50:33Speaker 02

  Prayer. Humility.

• 1:50:36Shawn Ryan?

  But he didn't shut everybody out.

• 1:50:38Speaker 02

  No, he was so accessible.

• 1:50:41Shawn Ryan?

  That's what you're kind of saying you do. I, I'm guilty of it.

• 1:50:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:45Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, you know, there's. The minute I get an inkling of, you, you don't actually care who I am. You just want vanity shit for yourself, which is, you know, ninety nine percent of.

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:50:57Shawn Ryan?

  The, unfortunately, just it is what it is. But you know, I always think about that and I have these discussions with my wife all the time of like, what, like, how did, like, I'm, I'm. I'm not, I'm not comparing me or you or anybody that's in this sphere to Christ.

• 1:51:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:11Shawn Ryan?

  Like, I'm, I'm not. It's nothing. Zero in comparison, but. Like, how did he deal with the feelings? You know what I mean? Because. Take whatever me and you are experiencing and multiply that times, I don't know.

• 1:51:29Shawn Ryan?

  Infinity.

• 1:51:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:31Shawn Ryan?

  Like, how did he deal with it?

• 1:51:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like, when I think about it, it's almost like.

• 1:51:35Shawn Ryan?

  Who to trust?

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  I mean, he was betrayed by one of his twelve.

• 1:51:39Shawn Ryan?

  I know.

• 1:51:40Speaker 02

  And.

• 1:51:40Shawn Ryan?

  You knew he was going to be betrayed though.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:42Shawn Ryan?

  But. How did he, how, like, I just, I just, I've never heard a great answer. Have you ever thought about that? Like?

• 1:51:49Speaker 02

  I think that like. If I, one of the things I'm trying to take with my life is if I'm living to my true values and my core values of who I. Believe that God's created me to be, that the right people that are in my life will be there. Like, I will have discernment. My wife is, has a great discernment about people. I, I um. Talk with her about. A lot of different things and I run things by her. So I think that's one of the greatest assets is to have a spouse and a partner that you can talk with and that has the same belief system as you.

• 1:52:22Speaker 02

  So if it's something that's funky, that's out of the ordinary with that, um, we'll get in agreement on something. Oh, that's wrong. That seems off or whatever. Um, I think that again, if I'm true to myself and I'm living the way that like, again, God has created me to live. That the right people will come into my life and the, and it doesn't have to be a number of people. I don't have to have fifty friends. But if there's people that I can have true connection with. Like, true connection with me is like, dude, I'm having a really terrible day. I need, I need someone to pray for me right now. Like, I, I.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  I've done that multiple times. Like, I feel physically. Really terrible and I never get sick anymore. But I had a bout where I started to feel really bad and it almost felt like a demonic attack or something because. This, I haven't been sick in like years. I used to get sick all the time. And I, and when I kind of got born again, or when I did get born again and started to really live in the spirit, it was like. I lived in like divine health for years. And um, but anyway, the example is like, I, again, calling someone up and saying, hey, can you pray for me, man? I, I need prayer and knowing that that person's praying for me. They send me a voice memo with the prayer or whatever it may be. And I don't need anything from them. They don't need anything from me. It's just that connection. It's the vulnerability, man.

• 1:53:40Speaker 02

  Being vulnerable with somebody and they're holding that space. And um, you know that it's not like going to be posted somewhere or whatever. And that's hard, dude. Like, like you're saying, Jesus, like. One of his twelve betrayed him. And I almost feel like the disciples even were like, they kind of got caught up in like the hysteria of things like, you know, oh, we can go do these things. We can go. You know, heal people. We can go cast out demons. This is kind of cool. And even one of the times too, they're like, why can't we do it right now? I thought you said we could. They went to Jesus and like, we can't get the demon out of this person. You know, because they were kind of expecting it at one point. So I think with Jesus, like. The humility that he had, he had accessibility, but also humility at the same time.

• 1:54:25Speaker 02

  We're just not, we were not meant to be doing these things, I don't think. At this level, we weren't meant to have this many eyeballs on us. And comments constantly. Comments, people commenting on how we look, on how we talked or whatever.

• 1:54:41Speaker 02

  Constantly critiquing. Like, it's, it's tough for the soul. It's tough for the mind. These things have, you know, neurological impacts, like the way, you know, if you hold on to something and think about it and ruminate what somebody said about you on the internet. We're not built for this.

• 1:54:59Speaker 02

  May not be the best answer, but again, I think Jesus, he spent a lot of time with his father. And I think that's what like Christians don't do. We spend time with scrolling on the phone a lot of times. And that's where I have a lot of problems with the current church is we're just like a Sunday, check it off and then go have brunch and then just live life Monday through Saturday and then come back with the same problems and get a little hit of dopamine. Everyone's obsessed with dopamine hits versus true connection, man. You can't have connection with other people if you don't have connection with God.

• 1:55:35Shawn Ryan?

  How do you connect with God?

• 1:55:38Speaker 02

  Lower myself. I pray to him. I've been practicing praying in tongues, which is like a spiritual.

• 1:55:46Shawn Ryan?

  What is that?

• 1:55:47Speaker 02

  Like a spiritual language says in the Bible. It's like a language that it's a way to speak to God without like essentially it's where the devil can't understand. So if you're a born again Christian with the Bible talks about how we receive our spirit gets like intertwined with God's spirit and we become a new spirit. We're a new creation. And when I talk about creation, it's like our spirit is new. So we're made in God's image and tell me if I'm going too far into this, but.

• 1:56:15Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, man, I'm listening. I'm here for it.

• 1:56:17Speaker 02

  We're creating God's image where we are a spirit, right? Like if we die, our spirit goes somewhere. I believe that firmly because that's part of God's image, a spirit with a body and a soul. And when you're born again, Jesus was telling Nicodemus, like you have to be born twice. You're born of the water, then born of the spirit. And Nicodemus was like, what do you mean born twice? Like, I gotta go back in my mother's womb and you know, because people then didn't understand. They're living in an old covenant with God and Jesus is the example of a brand new covenant that he created. He was the last Adam created a new covenant. So one of the things that in Acts, they were speaking in other tongues essentially when the Holy Spirit

• 1:57:01Speaker 02

  came upon them. And for me, tongues is like a very interesting thing because it's like, almost like gibberish, right? But the idea is that when you're praying to God in tongues,

• 1:57:14Speaker 02

  it's a spiritual conversation that you're having with God and your spirit is connecting with him and talking. And you're making like a groan, you're making a noise, you're speaking in something that's you can't understand what it even is, but it's a way, it's a faith based thing. You're doing it out of.

• 1:57:29Shawn Ryan?

  You know what it is?

• 1:57:30Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:57:30Shawn Ryan?

  You don't know what it is? Are you receiving?

• 1:57:32Speaker 02

  Because if I, if my mind understands what I'm saying, it's flesh. It's my flesh talking and I'm just like saying words. I can pray to God, right? I can pray to God normally. Hey, God, like I worship you. Thank you so much, right? I can speak normally, but there's this other thing that I've been practicing is, is praying in this other way to God through speaking in tongues. It's a very uncomfortable thing, but it's something that is in the Bible. I firmly believe everything in the Bible should be practiced in the new covenant I'm talking about. So for all the heresy people out there that are like, well, what about this? You know, they try to like straw man things out. But with regard to like speaking tongues, it's something that's been very tough for me to do, but I'm doing it out of faith because I want my spirit to connect to God.

• 1:58:16Shawn Ryan?

  Where do you do it?

• 1:58:18Speaker 02

  Quiet place by myself. It's not for other people to see. There are examples where like pastors, I guess in the Bible or however, best way to say it, they would speak in tongues and you have to like translate it so that the congregation, that's like if you're doing like a message, but mine is so I can connect with God. I pray with him. I thank him from my inner, you know, the Bible says that we receive a, a heart of flesh. It goes from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh. And that's really like Jesus is all about matters of the heart and how we do things. When we give to other people, where's our heart behind it? Like the woman that gave, she had no money, but gave like pennies in the sin, in the temple.

• 1:59:02Speaker 02

  And Jesus was like, look at her faith. She gave everything and she had nothing. So he looks at the matters of the heart. So that's why I say like the, the praying in tongues is a way to connect to God and it's he's, I want him to see my faith and like, understand my faith of I'm doing this out of faith because I want to connect with him so badly.

• 1:59:21Shawn Ryan?

  So like, what's going on in your mind when you do that? Like that's what, that's what I'm asking, like, are you, like, do you have an intention when you do it?

• 1:59:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:29Shawn Ryan?

  Are you receiving thoughts when you do it? Is it both? Is it send and receive?

• 1:59:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think like some people, some people, they like pastors and ministers, stuff like that, that do this, they like, oh, I gotta download or whatever. I'm not trying to receive anything from God. It's a way for me to connect to him. And there will be times, like even during the day when I'm working on my channel, where I will get a download of an idea. And it is not something I'm actively thinking about. It just comes to my mind. So this connection with God, I don't connect with God to get YouTube ideas. It's just an example of, um, he gives me revelation on things to do, um, how to live my life, I guess.

• 2:00:15Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I mean, that's, I mean, yeah, I know, like, I get, you're not connecting with God to get YouTube ideas, but do you, I mean, you know, it's like at the beginning of this, I can't even remember if we're talking on or off camera.

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:27Shawn Ryan?

  And if you don't want this in there, let me know. But it kind of seems to be like you're at a crossroads. Like, should I continue this or like dive a hundred percent into faith? Or am I supposed to be doing this? And I think about that shit all the time.

• 2:00:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:41Shawn Ryan?

  And like all the, every day.

• 2:00:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:45Shawn Ryan?

  Like, should I quit? Should I stop doing this? I know. And then I'm like, what good is this pumping into the world?

• 2:00:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:53Shawn Ryan?

  Is it pumping good into the world? There's a lot of things that I've done that I thought were good, that now I look back and I'm like, that probably like, that was not, that was, I wasn't supposed to be doing that.

• 2:01:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:05Shawn Ryan?

  Especially like I had a time where, and I'm just coming out of it, where I got like really political and uncovered a lot of corruption. Like, did that be like, did that really, did that actually accomplish anything? Or did that just spin everybody up and get everybody to hate each other even more?

• 2:01:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:21Shawn Ryan?

  You know, by, and, and I, so I'm ejecting my own experiences in there, but like, I'm always looking for a way to just be guided, you know, like how, how, how do I find that? And I've never, I've never actually talked to anybody that's tried speaking in tongues to God. One, the one thing that's been coming up, uh, on my radar a lot is like, hey, I used to be into the psychedelic therapy shit.

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:49Shawn Ryan?

  And now I'm not. I had like this total demonic experience.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:54Shawn Ryan?

  It lasted for a subs, like, I think it's almost gone, but it's been two months of like demonic attacks and shit and like really dark shit, like crazy shit happening. And, and, and so now like these things keep, uh, I keep getting hit by all these different people who are not connected to each other. Like, that would be like, like if you, one is fasting.

• 2:02:25Shawn Ryan?

  One is fasting. And so I've, I've done like a 72 hour fast.

• 2:02:29Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:02:30Shawn Ryan?

  Recently done a 48 hour fast.

• 2:02:33Speaker 02

  What did that do for you when you fasted?

• 2:02:35Shawn Ryan?

  I'm going to be honest. I didn't, I didn't, uh, I did it because I wanted to connect because I had all this demonic shit happening to me and I wanted to connect and like, like be as pure as possible. At the same time, I launched this new company, uh,

• 2:02:52Shawn Ryan?

  which took up a lot of more headspace than I kind of thought it was going to. And, um, and so I, I, I probably wasn't prepared to receive.

• 2:03:07Shawn Ryan?

  And the other is, and I haven't done this yet, is these silent, silent retreats. Have you heard about this?

• 2:03:16Shawn Ryan?

  So you go to a place and you don't talk. And there's other people there, but you do not talk.

• 2:03:27Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:03:27Shawn Ryan?

  And so a lot of people do it for all kinds of different amounts of times, but, and so all, I kept getting hit about like people, just not random. They would be like friends of mine, which I'm like, you have a very small circle, but, but friends and acquaintances who don't know each other, you know, like.

• 2:03:54Speaker 02

  That's synchronicity.

• 2:03:54Shawn Ryan?

  And they would bring, yeah, it's basically synchronicities and, and it would be like, like this guy would be talking about fasting and then, and then I might like my chiropractor the next day, like this guy lives in Virginia Beach. Now I'm at my local chiropractor and he randomly brings up fasting.

• 2:04:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:14Shawn Ryan?

  And then I go to mass. I'm Catholic and like the priest will come random, random conversation will come up about fasting. And I'm like, what is going on dude? Like, this is three days in a row.

• 2:04:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:29Shawn Ryan?

  And the, and the same was happening with the silent retreats. Like I'm open, uh, main doing a podcast and this guy tells me about.

• 2:04:37Speaker 02

  So you just like, don't talk?

• 2:04:39Shawn Ryan?

  You don't talk.

• 2:04:41Speaker 02

  That would be really hard for me.

• 2:04:42Shawn Ryan?

  See, I think it would be great. It's the thing I'm looking forward to the most.

• 2:04:46Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 2:04:46Shawn Ryan?

  Carving out the time to do it, but I feel like I'm supposed to combine these two and do like a seven day fast and a seven day no talking. And you know, some of them you go to and, and, and you do it at like a monastery or whatever, you know, some type of a church retreat. And, and, and you have like a spiritual guide there that will, you go over scripture with you a little bit every day and you can talk there. I don't know what I, I don't know. Part of me was like, I don't know if I even want that. I don't know if I want any man influencing me during this and like total, uh, solitude out, maybe,

• 2:05:27Shawn Ryan?

  maybe, I don't know. Maybe I go pitch a tent somewhere for a week and not eat and not talk and just.

• 2:05:33Speaker 02

  There's some people that eat the word. That's what it says.

• 2:05:36Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean?

• 2:05:37Speaker 02

  Eat the word. That's what it says. Eat the word.

• 2:05:39Shawn Ryan?

  And, and see what, what happens. I don't know what will happen, but I know a lot of people have had amazing experiences doing that. And, and I, I just, I want to try it for myself, but you know, you have to prepare for this kind of stuff and be in the right headspace. I mean, like you're talking about it with the tongue stuff. How long have you been doing that?

• 2:06:01Speaker 02

  Um, about like a year now, probably maybe a year and a half. Um, I, there, there's some things that are like unavoidable, like speaking in tongues was something I was, I thought it was like crazy. And about two and a half years ago, I started really diving into the Bible and learning about the full gospel and what it means. And there's things that I would shake my head, no, no, like, and then there's other things I'm like, I didn't even know that was in there. I didn't know the, the literal word said this. And there's so much infighting in the realm of Christianity anyway, about what is allowed. And like, oh, this was just that time in first century time and that this was allegory

• 2:06:44Speaker 02

  and you're not allowed to be able to do this. You're not like, but, um, Jesus was such a disruptor. And he is our example. He is our high priest. Um, he is our, he is going on behalf of us to the father every single day with the sprinkled blood of his, that we plead the blood of Jesus to be able to even have access to God, which is incredible in and of itself. And then to think about that he, even before he saved us, went to the whipping post to be beaten for our, for our actual healing. By his stripes, we are healed. Um, it says in Isaiah, by his stripes, we are healed. By his stripes, we were healed

• 2:07:26Speaker 02

  in first Peter, chapter two, which kind of cool. You have the Old Testament, New Testament, you know, talking about each other. And, but even before him saving us, he actually went to the whipping post. That shows how much he wanted us to be healed and live in like healing and live in health, like mental health, physical health. Um, and I started reading about this and I'm like, that's unavoidable. And once I started to believe in that, like, again, I never got sick for like three years. I finally recently got sick, but I don't know. And it's because I wasn't sleeping much or something, you know, like there's some things that are, you have to do on earth to live healthy vitamins

• 2:08:08Speaker 02

  and exercise and sleep and all that stuff. But tongues was like one of the things, man, like one was like laying hands on people. And I'm like, I cannot do that, man. That's very embarrassing. What if something doesn't happen? Like, but the Bible says the, you know, believers, believers, it doesn't say apostles. It doesn't say disciples. It says believers will lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. And I had somebody at church come up to me and ask me to lay hands on them like, cause they, they had a baby, uh, they were pregnant. And, um, they had a bad diagnosis of their baby in the womb

• 2:08:50Speaker 02

  was having issues and they're about to go to the doctor. And I know the verse, the believers will lay hands on the sick and they will recover. And, um, you know, I was like telling them about that. They're like, well, will you lay hands? And I said, yeah, I'll lay hands and pray. And I did. And a week later they came back to church the next Sunday and it was a completely different diagnosis. I am not an apostle. I'm not a minister. I'm not anything. I'm a believer in Jesus. And I did what the Bible, you're supposed to be doers of the word, not hearers. And ever since that I was like, you know, I'm going to keep trying to do this tongues thing to try to get closer to God. Whatever

• 2:09:31Speaker 02

  that means, man, I'm open. I don't know what that means. I don't, it's not a feeling. It's not goosebumps. It's like, if anything, if, if Jesus actually, the Bible says that Jesus is actually pleased. The only thing he's pleased about is our faith in him. That's the only thing that pleases him.

• 2:09:48Shawn Ryan?

  Hmm.

• 2:09:50Speaker 02

  So if I'm doing something in the quiet of myself that nobody sees to be able to bring like some type of connection to him, I will do it to honor him. And something that like praying in tongues that I'm not very good at. And I thank my wife because she encourages me a lot with that. And, um, we get to run stuff by each other all the time. It's really cool. I'm very thankful.

• 2:10:14Shawn Ryan?

  Does she do it?

• 2:10:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:10:16Shawn Ryan?

  Has she been doing it longer than you?

• 2:10:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, um, we just started studying the Bible together a lot and learning about deliverance, healing, um, the power of our words. I started getting into quantum physics and how quantum physics and science is starting to actually show that the Bible is real.

• 2:10:38Shawn Ryan?

  How so?

• 2:10:39Speaker 02

  Um, just like even when we're talking about synchronicity, like a lot of new agers, there's a new ager guy, his name's Joe Dispenza. He's like, does, I think he's like a neuroscientist now, but he does like seminars where.

• 2:10:54Shawn Ryan?

  I know who he is.

• 2:10:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. And he talks about neuroscience and people, people are getting healed at his conferences from cancer and all sorts of different things. He's not a Christian.

• 2:11:05Speaker 02

  Um, but he talks a lot about quantum physics and neuroscience and, and you know, his thing is like, you believe in some kind of future state and you bring it in, like when you do meditation and all these kinds of things.

• 2:11:18Shawn Ryan?

  Manifesting.

• 2:11:19Speaker 02

  Manifesting. One of the things that Jesus did is he called things that were not as though they were. That's a, that's in the Bible. He's, he called things that were not as though they were. And Jesus understood because he, all things were created by him and for him, the Bible says. Jesus, you know, holds the, the framework of the world together. He created everything. It was all created for Jesus. And if, if, if I believe that, that Jesus created everything, then all the systems of the earth, he created everything. So when science comes up with something, Jesus created that before science figured it, figured it out. So when I hear about, um, someone being able to call something,

• 2:12:02Speaker 02

  um, I'm not saying like name it and claim it. Oh, I want a Ferrari. Gosh, I'm going to manifest a Ferrari. I'm not sitting here talking about that. Talking about matters of the heart. Um, like the, the lepers in the, in the temple, the 10 lepers, I'm sure you heard of that story where they had leprosy and they were with Jesus and they couldn't see the high priest. They couldn't even be in there because they had leprosy. They're not allowed to be in the temple. And he sent all 10 of them, like go, go see the high priest and all of them were healed, but one of them came back to report. But he, he said that their faith is what healed them. Because they went, even though they, they didn't see them healed, right? They saw the leprosy. They saw their current state, but they went

• 2:12:47Speaker 02

  to a future state to, they went in a healed state. They walked in faith in a healed state is what I'm getting at. So when I think about like quantum physics, I think about like electromagnetic energy. Like when we think thoughts, there's electromagnetic energy that, that's released. When we speak words, there's electromagnetic energy that's released. Uh, there's things that are happening in the spiritual realm, in the physical realm, when we talk, when we think, when we act. Um, so I firmly believe in all that. When I think about like, um, the Joe Dispenza guy, like, like I said, for instance, he is having people meditate and think on things and speak on things. And he's actually opening portals up. And he's, I watched one of his videos where he said like, oh, if something, when

• 2:13:30Speaker 02

  you're in this thing, it's like three in the morning and, uh, some, something comes to you and talks to you, talk back to it. What do you think that is? Just because people are getting healed, doesn't mean it's of Christ. They're utilizing the world infrastructure that Jesus made, just like scammers use the infrastructure against us. These people are using the infrastructure to get healed. And, uh, the book of John, or Jesus talks about this specifically. And he says, if you go through the wrong door, you're a thief. If you're doing these things the wrong way, you're a thief. Uh, if you go through my door, I'll be your shepherd. So it's all a matter of, it doesn't mean, well, how are these people getting healed? It's because they're doing it the wrong way. Doesn't mean

• 2:14:12Speaker 02

  it can't be done. You have to do it through Jesus is what I'm getting at. So all this science, all this, people call it manifestation, things that they're doing, it all points back to Jesus though. These new age type things that are happening, it's all like, it all points back to Jesus. Jesus is, is the number one healer, the number one provider, the number one savior.

• 2:14:35Shawn Ryan?

  I've, I've, I've read, you know, when you pray, you should pray as, as if it's already happened.

• 2:14:42Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes. We don't, we do not pray. It's the new covenant we have with Jesus. The old covenant was like, you're doing sacrifices and all this stuff to, to burn off all your sins essentially. And you're having to do all these things with a God of like,

• 2:15:00Speaker 02

  you know, he's providing, it's almost like vengeance and stuff, right? Like, like we're putting plagues on people and all these kinds of things. And we're having to do all these sacrifices to please God and do all these things to please him. And Jesus, that's why they didn't like him, because he flipped it all on its head. And he's like, no, it's not about that anymore. You guys will see, it's not about, I'm the sacrifice now. I'm doing it. The work is done. It's finished with him. There's nothing else. So when we pray to God now, we are thanking him. Because of all the things that Jesus did, we're thanking him for things. We're calling it like, thank you that Jesus, like he gave us peace that surpasses all understanding. Thank you for that. We don't have to ask God for peace. We literally have the Holy Spirit in us. You don't have to ask for these things.

• 2:15:45Speaker 02

  They're supposed to be manifesting within us and coming out of us because we have that spirit. We don't need to be calling down God. He's already within us if we believe that. If you don't believe that, you're not going to have that. If you do believe it, you already have it here. We have it. The Bible says it very clearly.

• 2:16:02Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think you'll get access to the kingdom, to heaven, just by believing?

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  And believing in what?

• 2:16:10Shawn Ryan?

  In Christ. Do you think it's that simple?

• 2:16:14Speaker 02

  Um, if you call in the name of Jesus and you believe in your heart, uh, you will be saved. I believe, again, though, these are matters of the heart and not the matters of the mind.

• 2:16:25Speaker 02

  That's the hard part. Like the heart, I'm not talking about the beating heart, but like our soul, you know? When we believe in our soul, like the deep down that we believe in this, in, we believe in Jesus, that he died for our sins, that he rose from the dead. These are things that are in our core belief system. Not that we just believe Jesus roamed the earth, but that he died for our sin to atone for our sins, to be the last Adam, to do a completed work. And that because of his blood, we have access to God now. Uh, when you believe that in your heart and don't have any doubts, you can have doubts in your mind, but in your heart, you do not doubt. That's Mark 11 23. Not doubting in your, um, you can doubt in your mind, but not in your heart.

• 2:17:06Speaker 02

  You can have anything that you say, whether it's salvation, call upon the name of Jesus and you will be saved. I believe that.

• 2:17:14Speaker 02

  Whether it's a special prayer or whatever, uh, sure. There's also times of people that believed, and they were actually baptized, that believed in Jesus were baptized and they had not received the Holy Spirit. And, um, the disciples had to lay hands on them to transfer. So there's a transfer that happens when you lay hands. There's a transfer of energy. Sorry, but the earth then is the earth now. There's energy that's transferred. There's spiritual things that are happening.

• 2:17:42Speaker 02

  So yeah, I, I believe that, uh, we will all have to like,

• 2:17:49Speaker 02

  be in front of Jesus one day and in front of God one day. And he will know. That's why he spits out, I think the Bible, I think one of the translations, I might be wrong, sorry, but like he vomits out, Jesus vomits out the lukewarm. You're either in or out. There's no in between. So there, for me, there's no like inflection point. I'm all in. And yeah.

• 2:18:12Shawn Ryan?

  I would say, I'm curious because you know, a lot of, uh, you know, Christians, they, they just make it sound so easy. Like all you have to do is believe.

• 2:18:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:22Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, but if you believe, if you really believe, that's a hard life.

• 2:18:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:28Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you could run around and say, oh yeah, I believe in, I believe in Christ. I believe in Jesus. I believe he rose from the dead. I believe in the resurrection. I believe he died for our sins. Yeah, but the way you live your life,

• 2:18:44Shawn Ryan?

  doesn't look like you believe that. You know, and so I did, like, I think that, um,

• 2:18:52Shawn Ryan?

  I think that maybe modern day, modernist Christianity, like they say that because it's just, it's easy. Like it's an easy button. Like, oh yeah, I believe I'm going. All you have to do is believe.

• 2:19:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:09Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, but do you believe? Cause you're not living your life like you believe.

• 2:19:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a

• 2:19:15Shawn Ryan?

  You know, do you know what I mean? Like, if you really try to live like him, that is hard to do, man. It's really hard.

• 2:19:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a

• 2:19:22Shawn Ryan?

  Like to not like, to not feel resentment and, and wish bad on people who've done bad shit to you and, and, and, you know, to

• 2:19:36Shawn Ryan?

  worship him every day and always, every decision you make.

• 2:19:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:40Shawn Ryan?

  Every single decision you make, you know, like, how does this, you know? Am I doing the right thing? How does this serve him? How does this serve others? How does, you know what I mean? Like you, it's just, it's constantly has to be on top of mind.

• 2:19:53Speaker 02

  It's

• 2:19:53Shawn Ryan?

  At front of mind. And, and so I don't, I don't, I'm just not buying the, oh, you just gotta believe. Like I think that's some modernist bullshit.

• 2:20:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not, it's not being

• 2:20:04Shawn Ryan?

  Whoever's telling you that's telling you a lie. Believe by the way that you live your life.

• 2:20:09Speaker 02

  And that's the, the number one thing I tell people is the new covenant and a new creation. When we were born, like I was saying earlier, we receive a, um, a, a heart of stone to a heart of flesh. We receive a new spirit. We, our spirit literally is intertwined with the Holy Spirit. We receive a new spirit. We're almost like a new species. That's kind of the way I see it. Like we're a new creation. The Bible says a new creation. What does that mean? Is our body different? No, not necessarily. Our spirit's brand new. So if that is perfect, if that's perfected, because we have God's spirit now. We also have a soul and a mind and a conscience and a, in a body that's living on earth, but we have this new spirit. So what you're saying is like, what's the manifestation of that? How do you live your life every day?

• 2:20:53Speaker 02

  Is it just you like, you believe? So now everything's good and just go live my life? No. Like Jesus spits out the lukewarm. So we have to live a life of righteousness and holiness. We have to live a life trying to get everything in alignment to be as much like Jesus as we can. That's like the number one goal. Be as much like him as we can. And it is, it's, it's repenting of your sins. It's running away from your sins. It's running away from whatever your lifestyle was. It's cutting things out of your life. It, like so many people want to have Jesus as Savior to check box to go to heaven. Um, but they don't want him as Lord.

• 2:21:32Speaker 02

  And that's one of the quotes from, uh, the guy who baptized me, Curry Blake. He's out of Texas. Uh, John G. Lake Ministries and John G. Lake has like hundreds of thousands of verified, he's in like, I think the early 1900s. Hundreds of thousands of verified healings and, and, uh, he was up in the Pacific Northwest. But Curry Blake took his ministry and, or they're prophesied that he was going to run the ministry and all this stuff and it was handed over to him. And, uh, but he talks about that, like the importance of not just having Jesus as a Savior, but as a Lord. What does that mean, man? Like, Lord of our life? That's a very strong calling. You're stripping away some things, man. This isn't like, I'm just gonna feel good now.

• 2:22:18Speaker 02

  Like this is serious. This is the spiritual realm. It's very serious. What our eyes see, our phones are portals. If you want to talk quantum, our phones are portals. We're opening up to the devil every single day when we open our phone up. We can see anything across the world now with our phones, man. And what, what our eyes see, it's a gateway to our soul, you know, the things we see, the things we say, the words that we say to people, man, is like, it, it's impactful. Like one of the first things that God did, he spoke light into existence. He spoke it into existence. And the, the vibrations of the words, he said, light be.

• 2:23:01Speaker 02

  There is all this stuff in existence before. He spoke it though, right? He spoke light to happen. So our words are powerful. What we see, what we say, what we do, how we think, it's extremely powerful. It's like being a follower of Jesus is a, like it costs the disciples their lives.

• 2:23:18Speaker 02

  It costs everything. Um, and that's why Jesus does not want lukewarm people. He wants people that are going to say the truth. And we have to evangelize and bring in people into the kingdom. But then from there, that's where the modern church is failing, in my opinion.

• 2:23:34Speaker 02

  Because they're afraid to hurt people's feelings.

• 2:23:38Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, no, no, I don't disagree with you on that at all. What are some things that you've stripped away? You know, you're talking about stripping things away. Alcohol?

• 2:23:46Speaker 02

  That was the, one of the top things for me. I stopped drinking in 2023. Never touched it since.

• 2:23:54Speaker 02

  There's a reason they call it spirits.

• 2:23:57Shawn Ryan?

  I've heard that before.

• 2:23:58Speaker 02

  It's a gateway to all other sorts of trash, man. Um, I'm not on social media. I think it opens up demonic portals. Like the devil can work so many different ways to show stuff to your mind.

• 2:24:14Speaker 02

  So I, like, I think the devil is always out there trying to devour us, like the Bible says, seeking to kill, destroy, to steal. He wants to steal financially from us. Um, the impact, I think about the impact and burden of even the channel that I run. It's a demonic battle. It's a spiritual battle and the emotional impact of like, can I stop this? This is, this person's all their money, you know, will I get there in time? But yeah, just even the way I talk, the way I think, um, like trying not to be resentful as a person. Trying not to compare, like constantly being compared on the internet and try not to compare with everybody else.

• 2:24:55Speaker 02

  Trying to be present, like, like I've suffered with anxiety and depression in the past and just trying to be a present father and a present human being with people. To slow down, man. Like, um, yeah, but like, yeah, cutting away, dude, like cutting away alcohol, cutting away negativity.

• 2:25:20Speaker 02

  Like that's cutting, like even the, the hit of like people thinking you're great for what you do.

• 2:25:28Shawn Ryan?

  I just talked about this, the praise.

• 2:25:33Speaker 02

  You go from someone, I'll just, I'll give you a little bit of background really quickly. Like someone who is bullied and picked on. I think we all have our bullied stories.

• 2:25:43Speaker 02

  And like the words that people say, I did like a IFS, which is Internal Family Systems, like therapy type thing where you go internally and you're talking with these like parts of you. It's very interesting. You should look up IFS sometime. My wife's gonna get a kick that I told her, I talked about this. But we have stuff that's stuck with us, man, from even like childhood that um, I'm like, as I'm thinking about this, I'm like, wow.

• 2:26:13Speaker 02

  I'm doing, I'm acting in ways to protect my little three-year-old self, man.

• 2:26:18Speaker 02

  And or another part of me that was bullied as a kid or whatever. Or things that people said, I was a six-year-old playing baseball and, you know, the impact of even like not even playing in the game because I was too skinny or too young. And I'm sitting there almost in tears thinking about that, talking to a therapist because I'm like,

• 2:26:38Speaker 02

  man, that actually, the fact that I even remember that. And there's people that have all sorts of things that have happened to them at a young age or growing up that have been so impactful that we never talk about, we shove away, we drink it away. And it's like, where do we do him? And Jesus came to flip all that on its head and say, no, I am here, man. I'm here with my arms out and I want you to come to me and I want you to give me everything. I want you to give it all to me. I died for that. I bled for that, for your pain, for everything that you were gonna do to me. We did all the stuff to Jesus. And he died for that, man. It's beautiful story.

• 2:27:21Speaker 02

  Sorry for rambling, but.

• 2:27:22Shawn Ryan?

  No, I love these thoughts.

• 2:27:23Speaker 02

  Feel very strong about it.

• 2:27:24Shawn Ryan?

  I love these thoughts, man. You know, like kind of going back to the,

• 2:27:31Shawn Ryan?

  you know, I think, I think what started this conversation was, you know, um, being of the people, you know, and, and, and being like,

• 2:27:42Shawn Ryan?

  you're so guarded.

• 2:27:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:44Shawn Ryan?

  Christ maybe wasn't that guarded. And so, you know, how do you find the balance within that? And, and so I want to ask, you know, I think about this too, you know?

• 2:27:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:53Shawn Ryan?

  You know, what?

• 2:27:55Shawn Ryan?

  What is it you actually think people are gonna take from you?

• 2:28:02Shawn Ryan?

  Have you ever thought about that?

• 2:28:08Speaker 02

  You know, I think that like,

• 2:28:13Speaker 02

  I've always just wanted to be seen for who I am.

• 2:28:18Speaker 02

  And not for some propped up, perfectly edited version

• 2:28:27Speaker 02

  of what I do on my YouTube channel.

• 2:28:30Speaker 02

  I think that's the biggest fear. It's not, I don't know if it's fear, but it's, it's like, you just want to be seen and known for who you like, who you are. And who I am isn't like,

• 2:28:43Speaker 02

  like I'm a follower of Jesus. I'm a family man. I'm a, I'm a dad. I'm a husband. And I just want to have like, it almost makes you tear up, man.

• 2:28:59Speaker 02

  My channel was nothing.

• 2:29:02Speaker 02

  When I think about what, how God's changed my heart.

• 2:29:08Speaker 02

  And I think for many years, my fear was like, you let people in and like,

• 2:29:19Speaker 02

  they're gonna be disappointed.

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  Because in the past, I thought that that who I am actually isn't enough.

• 2:29:30Speaker 02

  But what Jesus has told me and the work I've been doing, even like therapy and stuff like that is like that it is enough. And that's why I was telling you earlier that like, as long as I'm true to myself of like what I believe in and who I am, then the right people will be my life. And I, I feel strongly about that. That's why I tear up about it because I, I hurt for my old self that didn't understand. And I hurt for believers and people that are out there seeking truth. And they're not finding it. I hurt for people.

• 2:30:08Speaker 02

  There's a lot of hurt in this world.

• 2:30:14Speaker 02

  Sorry to get emotional.

• 2:30:15Shawn Ryan?

  Nah, it's all good, man.

• 2:30:16Speaker 02

  But that's me being honest, I guess, you know?

• 2:30:19Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:19Speaker 02

  So.

• 2:30:21Shawn Ryan?

  I got this prayer I want to tell you about.

• 2:30:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:24Shawn Ryan?

  That I think might help you. You mind if I look it up real quick?

• 2:30:28Speaker 02

  Go ahead, man. Yeah.

• 2:30:29Shawn Ryan?

  Right. It's kind of long. It's a Catholic prayer.

• 2:30:32Speaker 02

  You mean, you don't have it memorized?

• 2:30:34Shawn Ryan?

  Give me Jesus that.

• 2:30:36Speaker 02

  That's fair.

• 2:30:46Shawn Ryan?

  Something I've been working on.

• 2:30:49Speaker 02

  Man, it's funny. I talk about IFS. I did, I did this eight-hour intensive on IFS and Internal Family Systems. And there was so much crying and I must have like triggered something in there, talking about my younger self. Somebody was getting emotional in there. It's crazy.

• 2:31:13Speaker 02

  It's nice to be real, though, man.

• 2:31:15Shawn Ryan?

  It's the only way to be, dude.

• 2:31:18Speaker 02

  It's so nice to be like real.

• 2:31:19Shawn Ryan?

  Only way to be. You know, I, I see like,

• 2:31:27Shawn Ryan?

  all these people, you know, that put a facade on it for their character.

• 2:31:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:33Shawn Ryan?

  And then they get trapped into that character.

• 2:31:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:38Shawn Ryan?

  And

• 2:31:41Shawn Ryan?

  it's a prison, dude.

• 2:31:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:43Shawn Ryan?

  It's a prison. They could never get out of it. Very few of them get out of it. And uh,

• 2:31:49Speaker 02

  One of my number one things is when I come home and my, my kids give me like a King's welcome. I call it the King's wel- welcome and they just run to me, man. There's nothing better than that.

• 2:32:03Speaker 02

  No subscriber, any of that compares.

• 2:32:09Shawn Ryan?

  Think I might have it. Hold on. Sorry, this is taking a minute.

• 2:32:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:32:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's another thing I can talk about with regards to like quantum physics and faith. Uh, if we want to dive into that at all. Um, if not, that's fine, too.

• 2:32:31Speaker 02

  In the power of like spoken word and everything.

• 2:32:44Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, actually. Close.

• 2:32:46Speaker 02

  I, I can read something if that's okay?

• 2:32:48Shawn Ryan?

  Read it.

• 2:32:48Speaker 02

  Okay. This is one of the things that I'm,

• 2:32:56Speaker 02

  it's in Hebrews. Really quickly, I'm gonna read this.

• 2:33:00Speaker 02

  It's Hebrews, chapter 11.

• 2:33:03Speaker 02

  I'll read just a couple of things really quickly. Now, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Or the conviction of things not seen. So faith is a substance of things that we hope for. It's the conviction or the evidence of things that we don't even see. Right there, that's like a very interesting verse to think about, being able to have conviction about something you don't even see. But your faith is a substance that does something. Your faith is this, it's a, it's an assurance. It's a substance that goes out and does a work. It says here, uh, in, in verse three of Hebrews 11,

• 2:33:45Speaker 02

  "By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God", which the word of God is also Jesus, "so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible."

• 2:34:01Speaker 02

  So everything we see is made up of something that is not visible to our eye.

• 2:34:07Speaker 02

  And there's so many different ways I could go into that. I just, that's one of my foundational verses. When I started hearing about quantum physics, where all these atoms, these subatomic particles are made up of 99% of nothing. And it's all these, these moving electrons that are going around really quickly. And they started doing all these exercises and or experiments, I guess, where they would, you know, have the, the particle sent and then when they observe it, it would collapse and

• 2:34:36Speaker 02

  then you start thinking about um, the quantum entanglement, where they would have, uh, they would split atoms or whatever and send them all these years away from each other or distance away. And then observe one and then the other one would be observed right away. Crazy.

• 2:34:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:53Speaker 02

  And then you start to think about Jesus saying,

• 2:34:57Speaker 02

  "I am in the Father as he is in me, on, on earth as it is in heaven." And you're like, that's pretty, that kind of sounds very similar to something. And I'm like, so some of these things are starting to make sense. And anyway, it, it goes down a rabbit hole. There's some really cool conversations to be had about that, about quantum, call it quantum faith. And um, Jesus is really cool, man. He's super cool. When you start to read the Bible through a certain lens, science did not make this. Jesus made this.

• 2:35:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:27Speaker 02

  Anyway, so continue on.

• 2:35:29Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, here, here you go. So

• 2:35:32Shawn Ryan?

  I love that, by the way.

• 2:35:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:33Shawn Ryan?

  So.

• 2:35:43Shawn Ryan?

  It's a little bit different than the one that I pray, but it's pretty much the same thing. So just to recap, you know, we're kind of talking about not worrying about, you know, what people think of you and you want them to know who you are.

• 2:35:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:56Shawn Ryan?

  I think the thing is like, you really shouldn't concern yourself with the thoughts of man at all. So who really gives a shit what people think of you?

• 2:36:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:05Shawn Ryan?

  But I get it. And so anyways, like,

• 2:36:11Shawn Ryan?

  you were talking about demonic attacks and stuff, and I kind of brought up this psychedelic thing that like triggered all this stuff. And I've been dealing with it. And so anyways, this is, this, I'm on the strict prayer regiment. This is one of the prayers that I say, and, and this is like becoming one of my favorites. It's called the Litany of Humility.

• 2:36:32Speaker 02

  I'm gonna close my eyes, by the way, because I want to like, kind of see it.

• 2:36:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:35Speaker 02

  With my eyes closed, that's the guy, so.

• 2:36:38Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, Jesus, me in humble of heart, hear me. From the desire of being esteemed, deliver me, Jesus. From the desire of being loved, deliver me, Jesus. From the desire of being extolled, deliver me, Jesus. From the desire of being honored, deliver me, Jesus. From the desire of being praised, deliver me, Jesus. From the desire of being preferred to others, deliver me, Jesus. From the desire of being consulted, deliver me, Jesus. From the desire of being approved, deliver me, Jesus. From the fear of being humiliated, deliver me, Jesus. From the fear of being despised, deliver me, Jesus. From the fear of suffering rebukes, deliver me, Jesus. From the fear of being calm united, deliver me, Jesus.

• 2:37:22Shawn Ryan?

  From the fear of being forgotten, deliver me, Jesus. From the fear of being ridiculed, deliver me, Jesus. From the fear of being wronged, deliver me, Jesus. From the fear of being suspected, deliver me, Jesus. That others may be loved more than I, Jesus grant me the grace to desire it. That others may be esteemed more than I.

• 2:37:45Shawn Ryan?

  Jesus grant me the grace to desire it. That in the opinion of the world, others may increase and I may decrease. Jesus grant me the grace to desire it. That others may be chosen and I set aside, Jesus grant me the grace to desire it. That others may be praised and I unnoticed, Jesus grant me the grace to desire it. That others may be preferred to me in everything, Jesus grant me the grace to desire it. That others may become holier than I, provided that I become as holy as I should. Jesus grant me the grace to desire it.

• 2:38:25Shawn Ryan?

  Amen.

• 2:38:26Speaker 02

  Amen. That's awesome.

• 2:38:27Shawn Ryan?

  What do you think of that? Did that resonate with you at all? It's basically saying,

• 2:38:36Shawn Ryan?

  take all alkyoids away and, and make me want all of that to happen.

• 2:38:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like save me from myself.

• 2:38:44Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:38:45Speaker 02

  Like,

• 2:38:47Speaker 02

  man, that like, that's, that's what I was talking about earlier is like this idea that,

• 2:38:54Speaker 02

  well, the, the fact that when you're born again, born of the spirit, what I'm talking about, receive the Holy Spirit.

• 2:39:04Speaker 02

  Now our life in this new covenant with Jesus is about stripping everything away, the pride, the selfishness, the needing of reassurance from other people, all that stuff. Whatever it is, whatever your thing is, you know, stripping it away and moving towards him. So that everything is aligned and that's like the hardest thing. And that's why like they, the Bible talks about the renewal of the mind.

• 2:39:29Speaker 02

  And I think that's one of the hardest things for, uh, the 2026 Christian.

• 2:39:36Speaker 02

  The 2026 believer is, how do you renew your mind? And, um, there's also, it's, it is by stripping away, but it's also inputting the word that does a work that's the word of God, it says, is strong enough to split spirit and soul.

• 2:39:56Speaker 02

  It's like a sword, like Jesus is yielding a weapon that we have, and we have authority and power to yield.

• 2:40:04Speaker 02

  And there's that power of that and the authority of what he gives us when we have the Holy Spirit. And then there's that other side where we do have to run away. We have to like sprint away from our, from the trash on the inside of us. Like, that's why we got saved in the first place. And when I hear you read that prayer, it is like a lot of like stripping away these things like, deliver me, save me from this, save me from this. Cause I don't want those things, man. I want, I want the fruit. I want the manifestation of peace on the inside and lightness. And love, like love is like so encompassing of so many things. I don't want to be a resentful person, a bitter person, a jealous person, an angry person, an anxious person. I've been all those things.

• 2:40:48Speaker 02

  And like, I don't want to mask it anymore. I want to be real with people, man. Like, I want to, like, like I said, have true connection. And like bring people to the Lord, like all of this will go away one day, but he will be here forever. He will reign, you know? So what are we, what are we doing on this earth? To change things?

• 2:41:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:10Speaker 02

  And I just, I think we have to renew our mind. There's neuroscience about it now. Like you've, I'm sure you've heard of the neuroplasticity. In the brain, how our brain is malleable, that's literally Bible, dude, like, we should be transforming our life by the renewal of our mind every day. And that's the cutting the stuff out, asking Jesus to deliver us from these things. And then inputting the word of God and faith comes by hearing and hearing and hearing of the word. So reading the word, I do believe in like a physical Bible, like with pages versus like a phone, you know?

• 2:41:47Speaker 02

  And speaking it out loud does things, speaking the word of God does things, reading it, speaking it, praying, practicing tongues. And then the last thing I'll say about this is the authority and the dominion that Jesus gave us.

• 2:42:04Speaker 02

  When he gave like the disciples, for instance, he gave them authority, which is exusia, which is the Greek word.

• 2:42:11Speaker 02

  And he gave dunamis, which is power. And we have that. So we have power to speak to demons. Because of our covenant with Jesus, he gave us the exusia and the dunamis to do that. So we have a power that's delegated to us to, um, as a believer. Not, we're not no special, uh, the Bible says that God is not a respecter of persons. So he doesn't hold people in different regards. Believers can, can yield the sword, the word, the truth of God, the name of Jesus. And cast demons. You know, lay hands, heal the sick, raise the dead. I firmly believe that.

• 2:42:52Shawn Ryan?

  Me too, man.

• 2:42:53Speaker 02

  Curry, the guy I told you about, he, uh, his daughter was raised from the dead.

• 2:42:57Shawn Ryan?

  No, really?

• 2:42:59Speaker 02

  His daughter was dead for, I think it was over 45 minutes. She came back to life.

• 2:43:06Speaker 02

  And from his commanding for it to happen at his house, he was not at a hospital, it was at his house, I'm pretty sure.

• 2:43:13Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:43:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:17Shawn Ryan?

  We'll take a break.

• 2:43:18Speaker 02

  Sure.

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• 2:44:28Speaker 02

  I think I have everything set up. I've got a scammer that it's 1:41 a.m. for him. And he has like no battery left on his computer. We've been watching this guy for a little while. Um, he's got like his WhatsApp open, which he uses to scam. And then you'll see this like live calls thing. Um, so in case somebody calls him or whatever, but we've got his audio piped in and in honor of your gummy bears.

• 2:45:02Speaker 02

  I was in the office talking to him, my guys, I'm like, why don't we put gummy bears all over the screen? And like have them like fall from the sky and just destroy this guy's computer. Which I, it's, I know it sounds ridiculous, but like some of the most preposterous endings we do on scammers, computers is stuff like this.

• 2:45:18Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:19Speaker 02

  And

• 2:45:20Shawn Ryan?

  What are, what are their, what are typically their reactions when they, when it starts? Like when they hear you mention crickets and like all kinds of weird sounds, are they like, can you hear them?

• 2:45:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, first they don't know what's happening. And then the other thing they'll do is like right click on their desktop and hit refresh all the time. And then they'll restart the computer, but we're still there. And then, um, once they really get hit, it's like they'll slam the, if it's a laptop, they'll slam it down on the ground, like slam it shut. And then open it back and we're still there. We just run it again and keep running it. Uh, but this, what it's going to do is going to destroy this guy's computer. So he can't use it anymore.

• 2:45:58Shawn Ryan?

  And so who is this guy?

• 2:45:59Speaker 02

  He's a scammer. Let me see where he's out of actually.

• 2:46:06Speaker 02

  This guy is actually in Delhi. So Delhi, India, and we've been watching him for a little while. But he's due for, I can go through his files if you want to see some of his files.

• 2:46:23Shawn Ryan?

  Do you mind if I swing over there?

• 2:46:24Speaker 02

  Come on over.

• 2:46:27Speaker 02

  So, let me see here, I'm gonna pull this guy up really quickly.

• 2:46:36Speaker 02

  So the beautiful thing is like you have like a file browser, you just go like, so these are some of the connections that we have on at the moment. But I can just kind of scroll through and like.

• 2:46:44Shawn Ryan?

  If he has no idea you're at his computer right now.

• 2:46:46Speaker 02

  Correct. He has zero idea. Alright, zero, yeah, he has no knowledge of this. So you can kind of go through here and see, like, I could download this paypal.txt file. And these are all like, it's like scam information. So you can see this geek renew updated, this is one of the ones he sends out to his victims. So he has.

• 2:47:08Shawn Ryan?

  What does it say?

• 2:47:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, we can.

• 2:47:10Shawn Ryan?

  Update?

• 2:47:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll download it really quickly and see if I can't.

• 2:47:16Speaker 02

  I forgot I'm on a computer inside of a computer right now, so. Which one was it? It was geek renew?

• 2:47:24Speaker 02

  Here it is.

• 2:47:26Speaker 02

  So this is what it looks like.

• 2:47:28Shawn Ryan?

  So this is. Renewal confirmation.

• 2:47:31Speaker 02

  Yep. So this is what, and it looks pretty professional.

• 2:47:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:35Speaker 02

  And they're using all the logos and it says you were billed for $488. And then if you didn't do this, call us. And then you call this number and that's how you get home.

• 2:47:47Speaker 02

  And that's the beginning. But it looks real, I mean, they do a really good job, like they're using Claude, they're do, like, they're doing a lot of pretty advanced stuff now to try to trick people. I'll show you really quickly since you're here.

• 2:48:02Speaker 02

  Just an example of some of our friends.

• 2:48:09Speaker 02

  This is one of the guys that we're about to expose. Well, this, this one guy here, I'll show you.

• 2:48:17Speaker 02

  He's in one of our previous videos and this is when we loaded up his camera. And can I zoom in on this? There you go. So him shirtless in his flat. In between scams. So he's on the phone with somebody.

• 2:48:35Speaker 02

  And we would catch him while he's scamming and take pictures of him without him knowing.

• 2:48:42Speaker 02

  And then we made a video out of him. So. It's just part of the capabilities that we get to get back at these guys because they do it to, they do it to innocent people.

• 2:48:50Shawn Ryan?

  Piece of shit.

• 2:48:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. So we have, this is like a library of some of the screenshots of guys that we've taken.

• 2:48:59Speaker 02

  These guys are pretty terrible too. They, they kind of started to catch on, do I have them anymore? Where is it? Dang, where did he go? Anyway, I'll show you the. Let me see here. Anyway, you can kind of get the idea. So. As soon as we, like, what we'll do is we'll open up the camera and then we'll close it really quickly because there's usually a light, right?

• 2:49:20Speaker 02

  So yeah, so this is an example. You also have like PayPal three.

• 2:49:25Speaker 02

  I'll just show you, this is another example. One of the things we do, we, the reason why we download a lot of these files is to prove to everyone that these are scammers. So this is another idea or evidence of they'll take this, this is just like HTML. And then they'll put this, this is the body of an email. So they take this and put it into an email sender and they edit like the amount, dollar amount and stuff like that. And then this is part of how they scam people. So it's similar to that geek renew thing. A lot of times we'll also have, like, there's emails, so like, this one probably, if I'm guessing, it's going to show, I hope I had enough time to download it.

• 2:50:08Speaker 02

  It's gonna show like all victim emails. Yeah.

• 2:50:12Speaker 02

  So these are all different kinds of emails that he could get into. Actually, no, this is the one he, so this is how they do it. So these are all emails that will not hit his spam. If that makes sense. Come on, what happened? Does that make sense? So like when they send a bulk email out.

• 2:50:29Shawn Ryan?

  So they know for sure that these aren't gonna hit spam.

• 2:50:31Speaker 02

  So these are all just random emails that they'll use. So they can over and over and over again send out emails without it getting hit by like a spam blocker or whatever.

• 2:50:42Speaker 02

  And then the last one, let's see here, I can show you like, this is just another like piece of trash move, like they get their victims to like send their IDs and stuff. So this is part of where they like steal people's identities. So we have so many through like scammer files where we

• 2:51:02Speaker 02

  see where they like. Let me see here. Well, this guy actually has some really interesting ones about like his office and stuff that he's in. But a lot of these will have checks, like these are gift cards, actually. This is a shipment. Remember I was telling you the, they ship the box?

• 2:51:17Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:18Speaker 02

  So if we got here in time, I would have been able to take that tracking number, all the UPS start with one Z and I could have sent that over to the feds and they would have stopped this.

• 2:51:29Speaker 02

  But I didn't get to it in time. But there's also, you have the person that collected this. So the person that's a part of a crime that collected this. So you have that information, you have the tracking numbers and you have, you have a lot of information from this still. So I still give this information over. But here's another example, like.

• 2:51:51Speaker 02

  Just, this is a gift card for $500. So they'll get the victim to go to Target, get a gift card, scratch off the back and get the receipt and the card. And then they'll take this image and they'll give it to one of these like trading websites. And the person will burn the card immediately and then give them crypto. And then it's gone in like seconds.

• 2:52:09Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:52:09Speaker 02

  So these are just some examples.

• 2:52:13Speaker 02

  We get everything. This guy's got all of his phone detail information. So we can get into their phone systems, which is really cool.

• 2:52:21Speaker 02

  We take all of this and collect all of this. In case anyone in India wants information on these people. This is a lady's Google profile picture. She's a lady scammer and that's her Google profile. So we downloaded it from her account.

• 2:52:38Speaker 02

  So, you know, like, that's what we do. So now, I personally don't know what is going to run. I have an idea. Cause I saw kind of something that one of our guys built. All I know is it has to do with your gummy bears.

• 2:52:51Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:52:52Speaker 02

  So do you want to? Let me see here, actually.

• 2:53:03Speaker 02

  I need to make sure the file is here.

• 2:53:08Speaker 02

  There, okay, gummy bear.png is there. And then your file. So if you want, I can either just do it, or if you want to do it, you can type out the command.

• 2:53:21Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:22Speaker 02

  You want to type the command?

• 2:53:23Shawn Ryan?

  I want to hear this guy.

• 2:53:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, shoot. Yeah, let's see if.

• 2:53:26Shawn Ryan?

  Can you see him?

• 2:53:28Speaker 02

  This guy, uh, let me see, I'll open up his camera and see if he's, if he is on. A lot of these scammers have started to, because we

• 2:53:39Speaker 02

  open up their cameras a lot, they've started to like cover them.

• 2:53:43Speaker 02

  So usually, so, so he's using the thing that, the physical thing that blocks it, if that makes sense. So.

• 2:53:51Shawn Ryan?

  Use a tape over it or something?

• 2:53:52Speaker 02

  Well, some of these laptops, the new laptops now have like a physical thing that is built in like with the manufacturer. So that's why you'll see that, because it's like built into the hardware and the software.

• 2:54:06Speaker 02

  And then let me, we've been watching this guy for a while. He's gonna get it. Okay.

• 2:54:14Speaker 02

  So let me turn on and see

• 2:54:18Speaker 02

  if he's even gonna say anything.

• 2:54:23Speaker 02

  Speaker feed. Actually, let me reopen this. It says you can also see like the idle time.

• 2:54:32Speaker 02

  Which is kind of nice to see if they're at the computer or not.

• 2:54:37Speaker 02

  It's like I could pull up your podcast on his channel right now. Like I can just hit this button and like here, I could go to his WhatsApp, for instance. So I'm taking over his computer. Oh, he's using the QR code. Okay. Uh, this, I'm clicking on his, this is his call system. So he doesn't have any live calls that are coming in, but if I was on my actual computer, I could see like the telephone number. Actually.

• 2:55:06Speaker 02

  I might be able to call him. I might be able to call that number if you want me to.

• 2:55:11Shawn Ryan?

  You want to call the number?

• 2:55:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you want to. We can call him.

• 2:55:14Shawn Ryan?

  What would you call it from?

• 2:55:16Speaker 02

  They're just like a Google voice. See, they're getting a call coming in right now.

• 2:55:20Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:55:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, see? So there's.

• 2:55:22Shawn Ryan?

  We can hear it maybe?

• 2:55:23Speaker 02

  Connected calls. Yeah, if he's gonna take it.

• 2:55:28Speaker 02

  I'm not hearing any sound from his computer right now. Let me take this over. I'm doing a little risky thing here.

• 2:55:38Speaker 02

  Okay. Let me see.

• 2:55:42Speaker 02

  He must have his microphone or not turned on at the moment.

• 2:55:47Speaker 02

  Let me see what's going on here. I might have to make a call really fast to see if they can hear it on their side.

• 2:55:57Speaker 02

  Cause he may have walked away from his computer.

• 2:56:06Speaker 02

  Let me see if, because usually I can hear him talking is what I'm getting at and I can't hear him talk right now.

• 2:56:15Speaker 02

  So let me pull it back up and see.

• 2:56:19Speaker 02

  This is also the tough part about doing like anything live.

• 2:56:23Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:24Speaker 02

  Like, you're also at like the whim of like whatever these guys are doing. And he goes to the bathroom. Okay, there we go. So he's back. So I just had to reload it audio. So you can kind of hear him.

• 2:56:43Shawn Ryan?

  Sounds pretty happy.

• 2:56:44Speaker 02

  He sounds very happy. He's not going to be very happy soon.

• 2:56:47Shawn Ryan?

  You're gonna call him?

• 2:56:48Speaker 02

  We can call him if you want, or you want to.

• 2:56:50Shawn Ryan?

  From my glacier phone?

• 2:56:52Speaker 02

  I mean, I have a Google voice if you want, or you want to use your glacier phone? Okay.

• 2:57:00Speaker 02

  I hope he picks up though. 606.

• 2:57:18Speaker 02

  866.

• 2:57:20Shawn Ryan?

  Hold on, I'm buying a burner.

• 2:57:23Shawn Ryan?

  Scammer payback.

• 2:57:30Speaker 02

  He's at home. Alright, what's his number? Okay, so it's 866- 866- 308-

• 2:57:41Speaker 02

  4721-

• 2:57:47Speaker 02

  Let's see if he's gonna pick up. We'll see if it goes through, it should.

• 2:57:53Speaker 02

  Yep, that's us.

• 2:57:55Speaker 03

  Missed call.

• 2:57:59Speaker 02

  Wanna pick up, guy?

• 2:58:04Speaker 02

  Target for calling calls from the hotline, I'm Alstio. Hi, is, um, Brian there?

• 2:58:11Speaker 02

  Sorry, who's who? Brian?

• 2:58:15Speaker 02

  Actually- Yeah, I just wanna let you know, this is, uh, Pierogi and Sean Ryan, and we're coming after you guys. I would shut down.

• 2:58:33Speaker 02

  Now, with somebody else, cuz some, like I was saying, some of these guys are work from home, so, uh-

• 2:58:45Speaker 02

  I don't think that was him.

• 2:58:49Speaker 02

  You gonna call another one? Uh, the DID. Oh, he's calling a missed call now. Wait, what, you know what your number was that you called from? Yup.

• 2:59:04Speaker 02

  Oh, I thought he was, oh, he's actually gonna do, um, oh, did you see how he changed the caller ID? So, remember we were talking about this? Yeah. So, he just went in and changed the caller ID, so he can call as a different number. It's this Tellipssus thing that he was using. So, he went in, and he was, he might be making a call right now, from his phone. But he was going in and added in a call, and then put in the caller ID and everything. Or we can just hit this guy right now. That number will still be up. So, you can, you can just keep calling them. You wanna call him again?

• 2:59:41Speaker 02

  Um, hopefully, we get him.

• 3:00:00Speaker 02

  Uh-oh, they might be a little-

• 3:00:06Speaker 02

  She must be a little bit- She might be a little nervous that we just-

• 3:00:12Speaker 02

  You wanna just nuke him? Yeah. She might be nervous because we just, did you hear them kinda like, when I was clicking the mouse on the screen? So, they're sitting there, and they just saw me click on the screen. Yeah, they're, they do not wanna pick up from your number. Okay, so now, well, we called him once. We called him once. Told them to like, hang, oh, here we go.

• 3:00:35Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:00:39Speaker 02

  So, this is another one of their, um, they use Ring Central. Um, so he's just kinda like clicking around, he's a little bit skeptical of what's happening, and he's not even on a call. He's getting a little bit nervous.

• 3:00:52Speaker 02

  So, but yeah, they have everything. You can take the, whoever called. This DID number, where it forwards to, they have the recordings, they can download the recordings, everything, it's like a full company.

• 3:01:07Speaker 02

  See, so he's doing another call, and adding in a caller ID number and saving it, so. Alright, so let's just nuke him, and see what happens. I don't know if there's gonna be audio or anything. But if you wanna nuke him, all you have to do is type Sean.exe.

• 3:01:27Speaker 02

  And then space- Sean.exe. Yup, and then space, uh, minus sign, like, and then, yup. And then type bear.

• 3:01:39Speaker 02

  And then hit enter.

• 3:01:52Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, you, ah, you see?

• 3:01:57Speaker 02

  So, his screen right now is freaking out, you see it spinning? Hold on, I'm gonna have a gummy bear in honor of this. So, he's, so the other thing is, they're in India, so there's like a big lag. Yeah. So, what, we'll be able to-

• 3:02:12Speaker 02

  He's not seeing anything yet, or he's not saying anything yet. But his screen is literally flipping around. There was gummy bears that went across.

• 3:02:22Speaker 02

  Oh, now, so as this is happening, it's tearing through his like, memory, CPU, storage, and it's getting slower and slower, we're doing calculations on the computer, and destroying his computer over time. So, his computer will be unusable.

• 3:02:43Speaker 02

  What's up? Yeah, yeah. Sorry. So.

• 3:02:51Speaker 02

  He's, he's still there, he's a little nervous. Again. I'm really surprised no one's saying anything.

• 3:03:01Speaker 02

  This is crazy to me. If I, hold on, I have an idea.

• 3:03:07Speaker 02

  Um.

• 3:03:10Speaker 02

  Actually.

• 3:03:14Speaker 02

  If I have like, five more minutes, I can, we could talk to him through the microphone, if you want. Yeah, let's do it.

• 3:03:21Speaker 02

  Okay, let me see if I'm still connected here. Please tell me I'm still connected. Oh my gosh. Alright, give me one second, and then I will get it, and you can talk with him. Alright. Is that something? Okay? Yeah. I know it doesn't feel very like, so my guys are freaking out at the office, cuz we just hit them, and they can see everything happening in real time. So, it's not as impactful, just seeing like, little frames of stuff happening. Yeah. But this guy's computer's getting destroyed, and he doesn't, they're either not there, but this is what he's seeing. Imagine going on your computer, you see this, and it's spinning around. Like, and you saw a bunch of, you know, gummy bears, vigilant, elite gummy bears, on your screen, and then your screen's destroyed, so.

• 3:04:06Speaker 02

  It's unusable, he's, he'll never be able to use it. But he, I guess he's not there, or something. Okay. Let's do it again. Yeah. Should we do it again? Yeah. I gotta, I'm gonna grab my phone to log into something. Uh-oh.

• 3:04:25Speaker 04

  Since this is the auto renewal bill that you received, man, after a long time, and, uh, it was a free trial, it was a trial. So, right this moment, on the terminal account, so this is how you're going to be premium, that's why we have received this in for it, in your email. Okay?

• 3:04:46Speaker 04

  So, in order to cancel, and, uh-

• 3:04:49Speaker 02

  I can't believe he hasn't done it, he's not doing anything.

• 3:04:54Speaker 04

  Can you arrange any of these? For the cancellation?

• 3:05:02Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, is it a desktop or a laptop?

• 3:05:11Speaker 04

  Now, on your desktop, man, uh, look onto your keyboard. At the left side button of your keyboard, do you see your Ctrl key, T E R M?

• 3:05:24Speaker 04

  Did you find it? Four. Exactly, next to, and next to the Ctrl key, you can see your Windows key, the Microsoft Windows key, it looks like a four S squared box on it. Did you find it?

• 3:05:40Speaker 04

  Okay. Can you press that Windows key?

• 3:05:43Speaker 02

  I can't believe, like, it's just spit, you can see like, his old desktop behind him, it's just spinning.

• 3:05:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, here we go, so we're gonna be able to talk to this guy for sure.

• 3:05:56Speaker 02

  Let me make sure he's online. This is the same guy?

• 3:06:00Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 3:06:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:06:00Speaker 04

  Do you see at the top, man, at the top of your screen, do you see it, give you a search box, a long search box? Just so you're gonna have sticking and everything.

• 3:06:14Speaker 02

  Why is he not on here?

• 3:06:15Speaker 04

  Do you see any search box, which comes up? Can you search for language and language on? You don't see that?

• 3:06:24Speaker 02

  It worked beautifully, I thought he was gonna have sound on here, to be honest, I thought he was gonna like, deep fry.

• 3:06:30Speaker 02

  Who are we hearing right now? It's like a guy next to him that's scamming, he's just on the phone. And they don't see it, but we, we've tapped into the microphone, so they can like, and here's more computers, by the way, you can see- These are all scammers? All scammers, yeah. And this is like a slow day. So, you could just sit here and just do this all day long?

• 3:06:49Speaker 04

  At the extreme top of this page, at the extreme top.

• 3:06:51Speaker 02

  So, I'm gonna hopefully-

• 3:06:59Speaker 02

  Alright, what happens here?

• 3:07:05Speaker 02

  So, now he's- Your PC ran into a problem, stop scamming, moron. Alright, so that's what he's seeing right now, so he came back.

• 3:07:17Speaker 02

  There he goes. That, we didn't get, I, I thought the final was gonna be that we'd be able to talk to him. Uh, we can talk to another guy if you want, really quickly. Let's call him first again. Okay, yeah, for sure. What was the number, I can, um, I can call them too.

• 3:07:36Speaker 02

  I'll call him, he's on the Glacier phone. Yeah, oh yeah, for sure.

• 3:07:46Speaker 02

  They might not be happy with that phone number. You have it. Can you like change the numbers around?

• 3:07:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:07:50Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 3:07:52Shawn Ryan?

  What area code do you want?

• 3:07:55Speaker 02

  Uh, six, seven, eight, or seven, eight, six, I guess. Do seven, eight, six. It's like.

• 3:08:03Speaker 02

  Oh, wait, he is right here. Wait, is he back on?

• 3:08:07Shawn Ryan?

  You want seven, eight, six?

• 3:08:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:08:08Shawn Ryan?

  Miami, huh?

• 3:08:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's my, my Google Voice. Oh, he is back.

• 3:08:15Shawn Ryan?

  Those ones are all taken.

• 3:08:17Speaker 02

  He's back.

• 3:08:18Shawn Ryan?

  What's DC?

• 3:08:20Speaker 02

  Oh, gosh. Six, six, six, I think.

• 3:08:23Shawn Ryan?

  That makes sense.

• 3:08:26Speaker 03

  Once you open it, it will give you two options. It will get help, help someone, which will ask you to enter the security code from a system. Let me know once you are ready for the code back and give it to you.

• 3:08:38Speaker 02

  He's back again.

• 3:08:40Speaker 03

  Cancel the security. Is it asking for code, enter code?

• 3:08:48Speaker 03

  Your internet is working slow. This is not your fault.

• 3:08:51Speaker 02

  No, your internet is gonna be working slow.

• 3:08:55Shawn Ryan?

  Alright.

• 3:08:55Speaker 03

  Okay, the code is Amazon Mike in uppercase.

• 3:08:58Speaker 02

  Okay, you ready?

• 3:08:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yep.

• 3:08:59Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 3:09:03Shawn Ryan?

  What's the number?

• 3:09:04Speaker 02

  Oh, shoot. Uh, try.

• 3:09:09Speaker 02

  Let me see here. Try eight, oh, five.

• 3:09:13Shawn Ryan?

  Eight, oh, five.

• 3:09:14Speaker 02

  Three, oh, four.

• 3:09:15Shawn Ryan?

  Three, oh, four.

• 3:09:16Speaker 02

  Four, three, nine, eight.

• 3:09:17Shawn Ryan?

  Four, three, nine, eight.

• 3:09:19Speaker 02

  Yep.

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• 3:11:19Speaker 03

  Thank you for connecting with support this show, David. How can I help you?

• 3:11:23Speaker 02

  Hey, David. Um, have you had any gummy bears recently? It's pierogi. I'm here with Sean.

• 3:11:31Shawn Ryan?

  How's it going?

• 3:11:32Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh. I'd be scared of that voice.

• 3:11:37Shawn Ryan?

  What are you scamming over there?

• 3:11:41Shawn Ryan?

  What are you scamming over there?

• 3:11:45Speaker 03

  How did you get my number?

• 3:11:47Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we found it on the internet.

• 3:11:51Speaker 02

  How's Delhi? Hey, Sean found out you're in Delhi. Is that true?

• 3:11:57Speaker 03

  No, no, no, we are not in Delhi.

• 3:11:59Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 3:12:02Speaker 03

  We are in Tampa, Florida.

• 3:12:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, okay.

• 3:12:06Shawn Ryan?

  How's the weather down there?

• 3:12:09Speaker 03

  Let me give you my Anydesk ID.

• 3:12:12Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 3:12:14Speaker 02

  You want me to take your Anydesk ID? What if I already have your computer?

• 3:12:17Shawn Ryan?

  Are you looking at your computer right now?

• 3:12:20Speaker 03

  No, no, I'm not looking at my computer. I'm looking at the soundphone that I'm speaking through it to.

• 3:12:25Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 3:12:26Shawn Ryan?

  Could you look at your computer right now?

• 3:12:29Speaker 03

  Well, I'm so bad I have to go down.

• 3:12:32Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you might wanna look at your computer right now.

• 3:12:36Shawn Ryan?

  Let me know when you're looking at it.

• 3:12:39Speaker 02

  Are you in the? Are you in the washroom taking a tch tch? Are you in the washroom taking a tch tch? In your pants? Yeah. What are you gonna do when someone comes to your flat in Delhi?

• 3:13:01Speaker 02

  Alright, I'll, I'll tell you this. If you give me access to five of your friends, I will spare your computer.

• 3:13:09Speaker 03

  Alright, that's on my side.

• 3:13:11Speaker 02

  Yeah? You can do that how?

• 3:13:16Speaker 03

  Well, I can just drop you an email. Do you know that I've been dropping for?

• 3:13:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. How do I know you're not lying? Cause you guys always lie to me. And I have Sean Ryan with, I have Sean Ryan with me. You don't wanna mess with him, honestly. You don't wanna piss him off.

• 3:13:32Speaker 03

  Oh, sure, sure. I'll, I'll look around.

• 3:13:37Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you won't have to look too hard.

• 3:13:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're not gonna have to look, you're not gonna have to look too hard, buddy.

• 3:13:47Speaker 02

  Noted. What's your real name?

• 3:13:51Speaker 03

  My real name?

• 3:13:52Speaker 02

  Proper name.

• 3:13:55Speaker 02

  Rajiv Bhai?

• 3:13:59Speaker 02

  What's your real name?

• 3:14:02Speaker 03

  My real name?

• 3:14:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:14:06Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 3:14:09Speaker 03

  Lonely Alan Marino.

• 3:14:11Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, you guys always say that name. I'm not stupid.

• 3:14:15Speaker 02

  They always do that, every time. Alright, that's it. Sean's gonna put the, this is your last chance. He's gonna run the virus on your computer now.

• 3:14:27Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 3:14:28Speaker 02

  We don't need luck. We're watching your screen, guy.

• 3:14:35Speaker 02

  Absolutely nothing. You're looking at Google.

• 3:14:37Shawn Ryan?

  What is the name of that? Telepsis?

• 3:14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:14:40Shawn Ryan?

  Do you know about telepsis?

• 3:14:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's telepsis? Yeah, stop playing stupid.

• 3:14:46Shawn Ryan?

  Screen Connect.

• 3:14:50Speaker 02

  What, what's your screen connect? Oh, sure. Yeah, of course you're not computer literate.

• 3:14:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:14:58Speaker 02

  Yes. Do you have any?

• 3:15:02Speaker 02

  Do you have anything you wanna say to the world? Do you have anything you wanna say to the world?

• 3:15:12Shawn Ryan?

  That's right. We're calling from a glacier number that we're gonna burn right after this. And I'm gonna destroy your computer in three, two, one.

• 3:15:25Speaker 02

  Have a, have a good day.

• 3:15:29Speaker 02

  Bye, beta. Mete ra baboon.

• 3:15:34Speaker 02

  Mete ra baboon, beta.

• 3:15:37Speaker 02

  Bye, beta. Bye, Babu. I love you, Babu. Oh, Babu. Look at your screen, Babu. Bye. Bye, Babu. Have a good day, Babu. I love you, beta. He doesn't know what to say. Look at him.

• 3:15:56Shawn Ryan?

  Well, let me burn the number here.

• 3:15:57Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so good. Well, um, how did it feel to call, I know, how did it feel to call some scammers?

• 3:16:04Shawn Ryan?

  It feels awesome.

• 3:16:06Speaker 02

  It's really fun.

• 3:16:09Speaker 02

  It's fun. It's amazing.

• 3:16:13Speaker 02

  And the beautiful thing is this is gonna run in like forever on this guy's computer anytime he restarts. Um, so that's exciting.

• 3:16:22Speaker 02

  And let me see if there's anyone else that's interesting.

• 3:16:24Shawn Ryan?

  These guys know who you are. That's hilarious.

• 3:16:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, um, this guy's doing an active scam. Well, there's multiple active scams.

• 3:16:33Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 3:16:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I'll show you, just so you have an idea. Um,

• 3:16:38Speaker 02

  actually, I'll do, so it's, looks better. S, what is this? Five BS. I'll go into this system. IBS. And then we can just click here. We can go through his files. We can see every, like, do everything. We can connect in. Um, so here, like, this box here is the, um, this is the victim's screen. And then he's connected in using this thing called Ultra Viewer, and he's connected in. So this part here is his desktop with like all his files and Social Security Administration. That's one of those scams I told you about before, where they pretend to be like a government agency.

• 3:17:19Speaker 02

  So like, for instance, here, I can just take over, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna take over his computer, hopefully. I don't know if it's with me remoted in this way, if it's gonna work, but I'm gonna take over his computer and just shut down the victim's computer.

• 3:17:33Shawn Ryan?

  Nice.

• 3:17:33Speaker 02

  So he has no more access.

• 3:17:36Shawn Ryan?

  Can you hear him?

• 3:17:37Speaker 02

  Um, I can. I will turn it on.

• 3:17:43Speaker 02

  So this is what I'm doing on the victims right now.

• 3:17:47Speaker 02

  So just shutting it down. That's one of the first things I like to do. Is just shut it down in front of their face. So like,

• 3:17:56Speaker 02

  it's so laggy. Again, I'm going from our internet here all the way back to our office, our office all the way to India. So sometimes, um, and also, dang, there we go. See, cannot capture the screen cause the partner shut down.

• 3:18:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, they're watching this happen on their computer.

• 3:18:13Speaker 02

  Yep, so

• 3:18:16Speaker 02

  it's, let me see if he's saying anything.

• 3:18:22Speaker 02

  Sometimes they'll be like, sir, why are you touching your screen?

• 3:18:26Speaker 03

  Today, or you have received this email before, I guess.

• 3:18:32Speaker 05

  Oops.

• 3:18:39Speaker 02

  Sorry, let me shut down anywhere.

• 3:18:58Speaker 02

  Dude, what is that noise?

• 3:19:01Speaker 02

  Anyway, it's sometimes the lag catches up, so he's shut down.

• 3:19:07Speaker 02

  And there you can hear there's multiple guys in here talking.

• 3:19:13Speaker 02

  This guy's trying to set up another time to call the victim.

• 3:19:17Speaker 02

  Um, let me see if there's another one. That's like kind of fun. I'll keep their audio on just for a second.

• 3:19:23Speaker 02

  Did you hear that?

• 3:19:24Shawn Ryan?

  What did he say?

• 3:19:25Speaker 02

  Computer meta hack by he's saying like, bro, someone's hacked my computer.

• 3:19:31Speaker 02

  Did you hear him? Stop scamming, moron.

• 3:19:41Speaker 02

  Oh, it's back again. That's that's him again.

• 3:19:43Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, that's that one?

• 3:19:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the other guy. Yep. That was the earlier guy.

• 3:19:53Speaker 02

  He's back. It's just the gift that keeps on giving. So now he sees it.

• 3:20:02Speaker 02

  So we do various things like this to just like in the middle of them scamming. We just destroy their computer. It's unusable. They shut down. They come back. We've already gained all the evidence on them. Location, names, uh, phone numbers, photos, all that. So before we destroy them. And the beautiful thing is wherever they pop up, we'll find them. So, um, we have like a whole tracker that uh, keeps track of these guys.

• 3:20:30Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 3:20:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. So anytime you want to do calls, you can use your phone. Um, you can use the Glacier phone. And hide your number and call them up. And you can challenge them. You can scare them. You can say where their location is and they don't like it. But again, any of these computers, we can just go into and like see what they're doing. A lot of the times I'll use this though, because it allows me to see like what windows are open. So for instance, this guy's connected in. Um, I really wish there was a camera that was open, but I was hoping some of my guys that were on camera were here, but um, I guess they took the break for the day. But

• 3:21:16Speaker 02

  so yeah, so even this one, so they have this version. This is what you'll be able to see is WhatsApp too. So you can just sit here. Another one's like Telegram. If they're using Telegram desktop on the, you can take their, all their Telegram stuff and take over their chat and like read all their things that they're doing. But we get to sit here and read uh, their chats when they're trying to steal money from someone. So if they're having money being sent somewhere, we can, you know, like screen cap the, the conversations and send it over to like law enforcement. Um, and all it takes is like a couple clicks of a button and I can, I could take over his mouse, his keyboard. I could listen to him. Uh, he's connected into a victim right now. So

• 3:21:55Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 3:21:56Speaker 02

  Um, but they, they had these little groups and stuff and they talk about the victims. They call them customers. This here too, it says virus detected because the way that they use this one software, it looks like a virus. Because it pretty much kind of is. But you can see the victim's picture right there on her desktop. So um, we can just listen in really quickly if you want. This will be like the last one. Like is that other dude is like they kind of know when they're talking to me, they're like, do whatever you want because we know you have us kind of thing like they kind of know. It's over.

• 3:22:37Speaker 02

  Let's see if anyone's talking.

• 3:22:41Speaker 02

  He may not be talking.

• 3:22:44Speaker 02

  Some of these guys, um, they don't use their computers for uh, calling anymore. So

• 3:22:51Speaker 05

  Meanwhile, we are getting the account information handy already. I want you to get ready because now you may have to go outside your house. You may have to drive towards the local branch in order to make a wire transfer. So meanwhile, I'm waiting for the account information. You can get yourself.

• 3:23:09Speaker 02

  See, giving by, which means I'm giving like, I'm getting the um, by as like bro and Hindi.

• 3:23:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm you. One of, one of Bank of America branch in order to make a wire transfer. Because as I told you that it cannot be done online.

• 3:23:23Speaker 02

  So now I can't leave because I have to stop this wire transfer. So.

• 3:23:31Speaker 05

  So it should be a bogus account. It could be under somebody else's name. It will be a random name or it will be a random business name. Okay. So it just that we have to create a, make a wire transfer, make a false transaction, a dummy transaction using your account. So for that, we are going to create the account. So I'm just waiting for the account information. Meanwhile, I'm waiting for creating, uh, meanwhile, F T C is creating the account. I'm waiting for the account details. You can get ready. One, okay. Uh, once you're ready, you can let me know. You can put the phone on speaker and you can put the phone.

• 3:24:08Speaker 02

  So again, you're at the end of the scam here. So he's already like won her over.

• 3:24:12Speaker 05

  You don't need your laptop in order to make a wire transfer. What you have to do is you

• 3:24:18Speaker 02

  I'm gonna do is kind of risky.

• 3:24:21Speaker 02

  So just to let you know, um, so we can't hear her because um, he's not routing the call through the computer. He's routing it through. He has like a phone with headphones, but we can still hear him because we're tapped into his microphone. This box right here, this command prompt, this black one is where they run like the scam out of. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to take over his computer live in front of his face. And I'm going to try very sneakish, sneakishly, if that's, I don't even think that's a word, but I'm going to click on that. And what's going to happen is I'm going to take a picture of the information that I get. Cause it's going to have the victim's

• 3:24:57Speaker 02

  um, it's going to have the victim's information. Cause they have them put in like their address, their name, their phone number, everything. All right. Her name's already, that's her name. So this is part of the investigative

• 3:25:11Speaker 02

  and the scammers put that information there and then I'm going to click this.

• 3:25:16Speaker 02

  Oh, shoot. Okay. That was not right.

• 3:25:24Speaker 02

  Okay. I'm not going to risk it anymore. So I'm going to go to a site really quickly on my phone. And see if, hold on, my, one of my guys just messaged me.

• 3:25:41Speaker 02

  Oh, he's, he's making more. He's making, one of my guys is making way more stuff right now to do. But what I'm going to do is I'm going to go to a

• 3:25:51Speaker 02

  unfortunately go to a, a data broker site.

• 3:25:55Speaker 02

  This is the other, it's like crazy, but I'm going to go to data broker site. I'm going to put that lady's information in. And

• 3:26:09Speaker 02

  and then

• 3:26:13Speaker 05

  So you have to come up with a positive answer. You

• 3:26:16Speaker 02

  Yep. Seventy-eight years old from Houston, Texas.

• 3:26:18Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 3:26:20Speaker 02

  So

• 3:26:22Speaker 05

  Once we have the account.

• 3:26:23Shawn Ryan?

  So he's going to just ruin this woman's life.

• 3:26:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. So

• 3:26:28Speaker 05

  For an example, if we get a temporary account under the name of John Doe. So you can simply say that, uh, that person is your friend or family.

• 3:26:35Speaker 02

  See, he exited out, that's smart of him. He exited out of that thing that had her information.

• 3:26:41Speaker 05

  Then just to make your job easy, I will create a false document if you want to. I'll just put a info, like a dummy document as well for partnership. You can tell them that it is because I'm getting a partnership with this firm and this and that. And then you, they will make the wire transfer. If they ask you, why are you sending this money to John Doe? Just tell them.

• 3:27:02Speaker 02

  Just trying to figure out how to get her information.

• 3:27:05Speaker 05

  You're lending the funds and you will be getting the funds back soon in one or two days. And if you're, if you, if we get any company name, then you can simply say that you're getting a partnership.

• 3:27:15Speaker 02

  There's other things that we can do that are a little bit riskier. Okay, here we go. Um.

• 3:27:22Speaker 02

  He's saying like which?

• 3:27:25Speaker 02

  So this is the, the money launder guy that they're going to be using. And um, I really want to take over this guy's computer really badly. I'm nervous about this. There's three photos here. This could possibly be like a money laundering transaction that happened.

• 3:27:41Speaker 05

  I'll do that. Right now I want you to stay at home.

• 3:27:52Speaker 02

  Uh, that wasn't me.

• 3:27:55Speaker 02

  Unexpected error.

• 3:27:58Speaker 02

  So you can kind of imagine like how long this takes because you're sitting here. You can't really intervene. If I don't have the information on the person, I can't do anything yet. So it's trying to piece it together. Um, I've got I can look up. Let me see here. Perfect. So this is the victim. So now within a couple of minutes, you, because of data brokers.

• 3:28:24Speaker 02

  We now have the address of the person. We have the name, we have the address. This is where she is. And we can now send this over to um,

• 3:28:38Speaker 02

  actually pretty quickly. No, that's why I couldn't hear anything. Um, I have a guy that's gonna.

• 3:28:55Speaker 02

  Okay, he must be working on something. Alright, I have a victim for you. She is going to bank. So the other thing that they do, that the scammers give away, so they give away, this will just be confirming, they'll look up Bank of America, they'll look up Bitcoin ATMs, and then they'll pretty much give the location of where they're sending the victim to. So we'll watch that and then give it, um, she is going to Bank of America.

• 3:29:26Speaker 02

  So instead of me trying to like call her a hundred times, which I could do that, if I can find her phone number, I would just send law enforcement. So this guy will get in contact with some agencies type things, say, and, and then they'll dispatch local law enforcement.

• 3:29:50Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 3:29:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. And this guy's Canadian too.

• 3:29:55Speaker 02

  I don't know how he knows all these people. He's Canadian law enforcement. And he helps us stop a lot of scams too.

• 3:30:03Speaker 02

  So we have like, I have two different routes on you. I have this guy and then I have some other folks that we got the, the big hit on. Yeah, Bank of America. So he's...

• 3:30:17Speaker 02

  So even, so I can show you this really quickly.

• 3:30:21Speaker 02

  So let me, oh my gosh.

• 3:30:32Speaker 02

  He's getting kind of paranoid. Oh, he's on her computer clicking around.

• 3:30:39Speaker 02

  So now you'll see he's going into her bank account. She's not telling him to do that.

• 3:30:45Speaker 02

  And he's not even talking. So she's getting ready. She's getting ready to get her stuff to go out to the bank. And he's clicking around on her account without, um, you know, her allowing it. So this is one of the biggest problems I would tell your audience that watch,

• 3:31:01Speaker 02

  never save your passwords into your browsers. I know it must be really nice to do that, but it's not very secure. Cause what, these guys bank on all your, see, her password's saved in there. So now he has access.

• 3:31:15Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 3:31:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:31:21Speaker 02

  Okay, so we're looking at, oh no. Alright, twenty, yep, $25,000 wire transfer that's pending. So we're, okay, okay, okay.

• 3:31:35Speaker 02

  Okay. Wire already sent. It's still pending. Oh, Bank of America. Because it's Bank of America, we'll be able, I think we'll be able to stop it pretty quickly actually. So.

• 3:31:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. I will make sure to follow up with you guys too, just so like, you know that this person was saved. Cause it might take a little bit of time. But as you saw on her account, you saw the minus 25,000 wire? And that's how fast this stuff goes dude. If, like...

• 3:32:13Speaker 02

  I hope we get there in time, honestly. Cause she has like 11,000 left in her account. If we don't stop it.

• 3:32:22Speaker 02

  And it looks like he's trying to do another one.

• 3:32:25Speaker 02

  Because he's getting her, so he's already gotten her to send one wire and he's trying to get her to go send another one. So that's why he's trying to get another account.

• 3:32:34Shawn Ryan?

  Seventy-eight years old.

• 3:32:35Speaker 02

  Yep. Seventy-eight years old.

• 3:32:39Speaker 02

  Like her house is worth 150,000 and she's wire transferring everything out of her bank account. So she's going to be broke and I'll be able to pay her mortgage probably.

• 3:32:48Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 3:32:49Speaker 02

  Yep. And nobody would have ever seen this. You know what I'm saying? Like, nobody would have ever, like...

• 3:32:57Speaker 02

  So it's crazy. And, and the other part that's actually really sad that I'll highlight is, um, let me make sure that this audio is coming through again.

• 3:33:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Speakers aren't coming through, but. One of the other things I want to highlight is, I know when you're not in the seat, it doesn't feel as convincing. But for these grandmas and grandpas, it's like super convincing, for whatever reason. And he's like, yes ma'am. So like, go send money one time and then go back to another branch and send more money. And they, they believe that. Like, it's just very sad. So, um, okay, so he's read everything.

• 3:33:46Speaker 02

  Do you need anything else at the moment? I'll click around on his computer actually, cause I don't really care.

• 3:33:55Speaker 02

  And see if there's like, any other details I can get.

• 3:34:07Speaker 02

  Thirty, 30K account.

• 3:34:16Speaker 02

  Not gonna do, not gonna do cash pickup.

• 3:34:22Speaker 02

  Wire account.

• 3:34:29Speaker 02

  Oh, that's him. Okay. I'm gonna stop. If you got a phone number, we'll take it. Otherwise, we're working with the bank to get it stopped.

• 3:34:39Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 3:34:40Speaker 02

  She is, need to break.

• 3:34:46Speaker 02

  But that's pretty comforting. Um, they are about, do you send another wire?

• 3:34:57Speaker 02

  There's a 25K pending.

• 3:35:03Speaker 02

  So we've actually, you've actually got to have a day in the life. I cried, we called scammers, we destroyed their computer, and we're saving a victim. So that's, that's a day in the life. So.

• 3:35:21Shawn Ryan?

  That's sad. Like how many people that's happening to?

• 3:35:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:35:26Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's cool to blow their computers up and, and, but shit, it's just like, how many thousands of people is this actually happening to? Right now?

• 3:35:36Speaker 02

  Who are the ones that we can't get?

• 3:35:37Shawn Ryan?

  And what happens to these people when it's?

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• 3:36:09Speaker 03

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• 3:36:23Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? That, that don't get saved.

• 3:36:26Speaker 02

  Um.

• 3:36:27Shawn Ryan?

  They're broke.

• 3:36:28Speaker 02

  Broke.

• 3:36:28Shawn Ryan?

  Foreclosed. Their life's ruined.

• 3:36:31Speaker 02

  Some have lost their lives from like the ruin of it.

• 3:36:35Shawn Ryan?

  Can't pay medical bills.

• 3:36:37Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:36:38Shawn Ryan?

  Shit.

• 3:36:39Speaker 02

  Can't, can't do anything. And it's not even, it's not even 25,000. There, I've seen, I've seen millions, millions, that they just siphon from people's accounts. And if we're not there, then nobody's there.

• 3:36:58Speaker 02

  And you see they used a big bank, and she already sent a wire. So that means she already sent one before. And she's gonna go do it again. And nobody's stopping her.

• 3:37:10Speaker 02

  So.

• 3:37:10Shawn Ryan?

  Damn.

• 3:37:10Speaker 02

  Except for, she's about to get a knock at her door soon, and it's gonna be the police. So that's really nice.

• 3:37:16Shawn Ryan?

  Yep.

• 3:37:17Speaker 02

  So that's where I say like, there's not systemic changes that are happening that are gonna help people from a government standpoint, but they're at least responsive when I'm trying to get these things done. Like these one-offs. That makes sense.

• 3:37:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Damn.

• 3:37:36Shawn Ryan?

  You know, so at some point in this, we were talking about, you know, changing policy and getting the government to step in. And I think we both agree that, that, um...

• 3:37:49Shawn Ryan?

  Government isn't gonna do shit.

• 3:37:51Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:37:51Shawn Ryan?

  So what can, what can people do, you know, to protect themselves from stuff? What are the things they, I mean, we've, we've just, they're aware of what's happening.

• 3:38:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:38:02Shawn Ryan?

  What, what can they do? Which specifically should they be looking out for? What, what advice do you have?

• 3:38:09Speaker 02

  Make your, make all your parents and grandparents social media profiles, uh, private. Make them all private. Where just random people can't add you and search for you.

• 3:38:23Speaker 02

  And then verify, you know, it's the old saying, the trust but verify kind of thing. If you want to trust everyone that's telling you all this information, at least verify it. So like if someone's on the phone with you.

• 3:38:35Speaker 02

  Someone's hacked your account, someone, you know, there's a hacker on your account, whatever it may be. Hang up the phone and verify with somebody else. Verify the information. Scammers do not want you to verify anything. They want you to stay on the phone with them. They want to stay connected to you. They want to keep talking to you. That's one of my tactics I use all the time is I hang up the phone and it puts stress into them. So then you can manipulate them.

• 3:39:02Speaker 02

  It's all like a social engineering game of like back and forth. So, um, verify the information that they're telling you. Don't let someone remote into your computer or phone.

• 3:39:14Speaker 02

  If, if there's some random person that has eyes on any of your accounts, like if someone's remoted in and they're asking you to log into something, that is not genuine.

• 3:39:26Speaker 02

  So verify, you know, make some of your stuff private. The other thing I would do is like try to get off of like data brokers.

• 3:39:33Shawn Ryan?

  How do you do that?

• 3:39:33Speaker 02

  There are services that will, um, take your information and they will opt you out of data broker sites. And it takes, I think it's 30 or 45 days for them to be taken off.

• 3:39:45Speaker 02

  We work with a number, number of different companies. I know Ryan's got one too. So like, get your information. It should be like, I call it cyber hygiene. It should be a part of your cyber hygiene because that's something we have to do to protect ourselves is get our information off the internet. As far as scams, again, some of the things I was saying, verifying information. Another thing that's cyber hygiene, in my opinion, is get a secure email. A secure email like that's not in the United States. That's like, again, a secure email that with encrypted data that governments can't get into.

• 3:40:25Shawn Ryan?

  You got any recommendations?

• 3:40:27Speaker 02

  I use Proton. They're not sponsoring what I'm saying. I just, I use them. We have a relationship with them. Um, I know their CEO, Andy N, and like, they're like, they're really good about protecting their customers. And I'm sure there'll be someone in the comments saying, no, whatever, like, but they're very solid. They're out in Switzerland. So, um, the last thing I'll say, so like your, your email is super important. You don't want governments and companies scanning your email for data. It's ridiculous. Your personal messages and stuff. The final thing is password management. So have good passwords and store them securely and use two factor authentication.

• 3:41:13Shawn Ryan?

  How do you store them securely? What do you mean by that?

• 3:41:16Speaker 02

  Like, uh, password manager, um, I wouldn't necessarily, I mean, Apple has one on their iPhone and people probably freak out about that, but they have a fairly solid one if you want to just do that. I wouldn't say use Google's password protector, password saver in your computer. There's all sorts of password services. Some of them have been hacked, of course. Like that's just is what it is. But I would much rather have something that's creating like super random passwords that I can store somewhere that is protected by my face to be able to get into it from my face. Or a key, like you could go really crazy and have a key to be able to get your passwords, like a physical device.

• 3:42:01Speaker 02

  But being able to have really random passwords that are very long and hard to crack is super easy security. And, um, in case there's a data breach, like I'll tell a really quick story. Uh, my wife and I had, there is a, we didn't even know there's a data breach at the time, but I started getting notifications on my credit card from Target and it was Target up in, in New York. And I'm like, what the heck? So we went to our Target account and saw that somebody was buying stuff on target.com, like TVs and stuff and just for pickup in, in New York. And it was because there was a data breach from a different app. And that data breach had a password, this was many years ago, a password of my wife's.

• 3:42:45Speaker 02

  They use that password to go onto Target and it worked. And then their credit card was stored in target.com. So what, what I'm getting at is if there's a data breach and you have different passwords for all sorts of different things versus like one password, then you will be protected. Is that, if that makes sense? Instead of having just one for everything, my cat's name with one at the end of it, like.

• 3:43:08Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:43:09Speaker 02

  You know, change it up a little bit.

• 3:43:11Shawn Ryan?

  And when you say verify everything, what do you mean by that?

• 3:43:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, um, if you're on the phone with someone and they're saying, hey grandma, it's Brenda. I'm hurt. I need you to go to the bank and get out cash because they have to pay for my hospital bills. Please, you have to hurry. Someone's coming to the house, please, I'm in trouble. Hang up the phone and call Brenda or call Brenda's mom, if you're a grandma or a grandpa. Verify the information. Uh, there's been so many stories where I've heard the grandma scam and, and someone calls grandma up and says, or grandma calls someone up and says, hey, was that you? Is everything okay? Yeah, everything's fine. Well, that's crazy. I got a phone call. And by the time all that stuff happens, they'll know, the scammer is just done. It's like a numbers game.

• 3:43:57Speaker 02

  The other one would be like the, um, investment scams, like the pig butchering that I've been talking about. If you talked with anybody else, hey, this is happening.

• 3:44:09Speaker 02

  I'm investing in crypto and it's a 2,500% return. Even though if you looked at like Bitcoin right now, it's not a 2,500% return. So yours is going to be 2,500%, you know, 2,500%? It just doesn't make sense logically. Or some kind of business or even the S and P 500 or something, right? Or ETFs, like there's no crazy returns like that.

• 3:44:34Speaker 02

  So like verify with somebody, have a conversation, like this person, how did, how did you find this person? Well, they reached out to me on Facebook. That's a red flag. They messaged me on Instagram. That's a red flag.

• 3:44:46Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 3:44:46Speaker 02

  They, there's an email in the spam folder. It said I won a prize and I clicked on it and they want $500. I know these sound crazy, but these are things that happen and it's a numbers game for scammers. So if you're one of the targets, which you, everyone will be a target of a scammer, whether it's, you know, someone trying to get you to invest money because you want to be a millionaire and you want to get money fast. Or a grandma that thinks she's talking to, you know, Brad Pitt and he's on an oil rig overseas and needs money to get back home. These are all real things that have happened to people. Like whatever the spectrum is, you gotta like verify the information with people.

• 3:45:29Shawn Ryan?

  Right on.

• 3:45:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:45:35Shawn Ryan?

  It's crazy, man. That's crazy. Seeing, seeing like, just seeing it live, a 70 year, a 78 year old woman, like getting ripped off real time like that, it's just like, it rages me.

• 3:45:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:45:48Shawn Ryan?

  These people don't give a shit.

• 3:45:50Speaker 02

  I mean, my heart sunk when I saw the wire transfer pending. Like it makes my heart race thinking about it. Cause now the responsibility is on me.

• 3:45:59Speaker 02

  If I don't stop it. And we're going to stop it, but it's crazy that this happens everywhere. This probably happens a hundred times over today.

• 3:46:07Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 3:46:09Shawn Ryan?

  Man.

• 3:46:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. But I think for, um, what do they say for like every,

• 3:46:18Speaker 02

  for, I guess for evil, there's good or for darkness, there's light. So I think that we are providing resistance against like these kind of bad forces. That they're not just trying to make ends meet. They are stealing, they are siphoning away our money from the US, from our innocent, uh, citizens.

• 3:46:41Shawn Ryan?

  Damn. Well, you're doing solid work, man.

• 3:46:45Speaker 02

  Thanks, man.

• 3:46:46Shawn Ryan?

  Real solid work. Thank you for what you're doing.

• 3:46:49Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 3:46:49Shawn Ryan?

  That's, that's amazing.

• 3:46:52Speaker 02

  We have a, we have a really good team. I went, it's not just me. We have an incredible team, incredible minds, and there's a great community of people that fight like shoulder, uh, to shoulder with me against these people.

• 3:47:04Shawn Ryan?

  I'd love to meet them sometime.

• 3:47:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:47:06Shawn Ryan?

  You know, so thank it for me. Thank you, you know, if you guys are watching this, but, uh, but wow, that is great. You're a great person, man. You're a great person.

• 3:47:19Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me on. This has been like, um, really awesome, really awesome experience. And, um, I hope that people will learn about like what to maybe look for, maybe be inspired to have a conversation with somebody else, um, to reduce their loved ones from being scammed.

• 3:47:41Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, my message to the audience would be share this with everybody you know to help, to help raise awareness and, and, um, yeah, man, you want to end with a prayer?

• 3:47:53Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 3:47:54Shawn Ryan?

  You want to lead it?

• 3:47:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 3:47:56Shawn Ryan?

  Let's do it.

• 3:48:00Speaker 02

  Uh, Lord Jesus, we just come to you right now with, um,

• 3:48:08Speaker 02

  Ultimate humility. We honor you. We honor your name, Jesus, for all the blessing,

• 3:48:18Speaker 02

  for what you represent of light and love and togetherness and peace and the sacrifice you made for us in our lives to bring us deliverance, to bring us healing, to bring us so-so, to bring us salvation, and to give us authority and power over the dark forces of this earth. And Lord, I bless my brother Shawn and his family. And we plead the blood of Jesus over him and his family. And we pray Psalm 91 over him and his family, that the angels hold him and his family in their hands. And for the audience that listens, Lord, that some may be far away from you, or some may have conviction to come back to

• 3:49:00Speaker 02

  you, Lord, that their lives will be blessed, and they will repent, and they will run from what has held them back in life, from knowing you more and living out a life with you as their Lord and Savior. Lord God, I thank you for this day today, the togetherness, the opportunity to have conversation and to connect with others and to connect with the audience and put together this video and have this conversation today, Lord God. I hope it blesses your name and brings honor to you and glory to you. You are the King. You are the name above every name. And we thank you for all the works that you have done, and you have a completed work and a finished work for our lives, so that we

• 3:49:45Speaker 02

  can live in authority and live in goodness, righteousness, and holiness. Lord Jesus, we bless your name. We thank you for the cross. And we pray goodness and mercy over the audience and over our lives moving forward. And we thank you for all the blessing. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.

• 3:50:04Shawn Ryan?

  Amen.

• 3:50:07Shawn Ryan?

  Rogie, thank you, my friend.

• 3:50:10Speaker 02

  Thank you, brother.

• 3:50:11Shawn Ryan?

  It's an honor.

• 3:50:25Shawn Ryan?

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