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You Win When You Fail | Jo Koy

The School of Greatness

Hosted by Lewis Howes

1h 21m
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This episode features a conversation exploring the gritty reality of building a career in stand-up comedy, the mechanics of stage performance, and the mindset required to overcome failure. The guest and host discuss decades of touring, the persistence needed to secure opportunities when doors were closed, financing independent comedy specials after industry rejections, and the foundational life lessons learned from military-background parents. It is worth listening to for the raw, behind-the-scenes stories of breaking into the 1990s comedy scene, dealing with rejection, and maintaining an unwavering commitment to the craft.

  • Never wait for outside forces or luck to hand you your shot; instead, bet entirely on your own work and talent. 3:32
  • Keep your living space organized because a messy bed often reflects a cluttered and unfocused mind. 1:03:12
  • True greatness comes from doing what you love and pursuing your passion even when nobody is paying you for it. 1:29:02

Chapters

  1. 0:01
    Intro and Product Promotion

    The episode opens with a brief product pitch for Stars and Honey protein bars and a quick overview of the show’s mission.

  2. 2:43
    Host’s Personal Testimony

    Lewis Howes shares how the show helped him through a tough season and invites listeners to connect.

  3. 4:00
    Introducing Jo Koy

    Lewis introduces comedian Jo Koy, outlining his career highlights and the episode’s focus on failure and resilience.

  4. 5:17
    Early Life and Humour Roots

    Jo Koy recounts his childhood, family moves, and early realization that he was naturally funny.

  5. 6:33
    Navigating Racial Barriers

    Jo Koy discusses the racial dynamics of comedy clubs, the scarcity of opportunities for Asian comedians, and his strategies for overcoming bias.

  6. 12:00
    Breaking into Television

    He explains how he secured a spot on BET’s Comic View and the pivotal moments that led to his first television appearance.

  7. 12:46
    The Grind of Early Career

    Jo Koy describes the challenges of booking gigs, the importance of persistence, and his first big break at Catch a Rising Star.

  8. 14:50
    Persistence Pays Off

    He reflects on the long, bumpy journey to success, emphasizing that failure is part of the path to winning.

  9. 35:16
    Mindset and Confidence

    Jo Koy shares how stand‑up helped him build confidence, cope with insecurities, and maintain a growth mindset.

  10. 45:14
    Closing and Takeaway

    The episode concludes with a recap of Jo Koy’s key insights and a reminder of the show’s mission to inspire listeners.

  11. 47:33
    Lessons for Aspiring Comedians

    He offers practical advice on seizing opportunities, staying committed, and mastering the craft to achieve long‑term success.

  12. 48:25
    Flyer‑Making Hustle and Early Promotion

    Joe recounts his decades‑old habit of creating and distributing flyers, showing his relentless hustle even after selling out shows.

Highlights

  • 3:28

    Rejecting Hope for Talentinsight

    The guest explains why he never uses the word hope, arguing that relying on hope is asking for something outside your own talent to get results.

  • 11:58

    The Reality of Michael Jordaninsight

    Discussing public criticism and failure, the guest points out that even the greatest performers fail and are expected to fail along the way.

  • 13:11

    Landing a Big Break in Vegasstory

    The guest recounts getting his first major paid week of comedy after a club manager spotted him performing at a pool table comedy night.

  • 17:04

    Sneaking Into BET's Auditionstory

    Telling the story of how he sweated through a 120-degree Vegas day in a suit to talk his way into a warm-up spot on BET's Comic View.

  • 25:53

    The Cold Backstage Auditionstory

    The guest describes being put through the curtain at a Def Comedy Jam tour stop to perform for ten minutes before the house lights were even down.

  • 35:09

    Overcoming Severe Insecuritiesinsight

    The guest reveals how extreme insecurities about his broken teeth, hair loss, and a difficult childhood drove him to find his superpower on stage.

  • 1:15:43

    Financing Your Own Specialstrategy

    After streaming platforms passed on his comedy special, the guest decided to finance, shoot, and produce it independently before selling it back to them.

Quotes

  • “You win when you fail.”
    Unnamed speaker · 33:38
  • “There's no expiration date on growth.”
    Lewis Howes · 1:26
  • “I love it. But I remember reading like this article and I, I'm pretty sure it was Aerosmith.”
    Unnamed speaker · 48:32
  • “There's people that do not know you, man. That's fine. They're not supposed to know you.”
    Unnamed speaker · 49:53
  • “Fix your bed, a dirty, a dirty bed is a, a messy bed is a messy head.”
    Unnamed speaker · 1:03:12
  • “I don't care how, what, what style they do, whatever. It is, we, we are a different class and, and in this game of entertainment and, and it's untouchable.”
    Unnamed speaker · 59:00
  • Stars and Honey 0:11–1:00
  • Southern New Hampshire University 1:29–1:34
  • ChatGPT 2:02–2:48
  • Airbnb 29:33–30:42
  • HostingR 45:36–46:17
  • Range Rover 1:09:36–1:10:24
  • Indeed 1:10:30–1:11:14
  • T-Mobile 1:30:38–1:31:43
  • US Bank 1:31:34–1:32:07

About this episode

Jo Koy, a stand-up comedian performing since 1989 and the winner of Showtime at the Apollo, talks with Lewis Howes about how repeated failure and rejection built the craft behind a career in comedy. The conversation covers his early days at BET's ComicView, Def Comedy Jam, and The Comedy Store, self funding a special after Netflix passed, selling out SoFi Stadium, plus a special co-produced with Martin Lawrence.

Transcript

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17,556 words · 2 speakers

Speaker names marked are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

Topics

  • Netflix
  • BET
  • Apollo
  • SNHU
  • Def Jam
  • SoFi Stadium
  • The Improv
  • Facebook
  • Comedy Store
  • Comedy Act Theater

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