How to Know You’re on the Right Path | Katt Williams

Katt Williams is a stand-up comedian with 14 specials who also wrote a memoir about his life. Faith turns every obstacle into a chance to jump higher, and every rejection becomes useful feedback. The conversation covers his missionary years in Haiti, door-to-door sales, meeting Prince in Dayton, spiritual warfare, and his Netflix podcast According 2 Katt and his book Nine Lives, No Wives, and 69 Concubines.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:01Lewis Howes?

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• 1:55Lewis Howes?

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• 2:40Lewis Howes?

  that quote from today's episode. And maybe it feels like every time you get your footing underneath you, something else gets thrown in your path. A setback at work, a relationship that's falling apart, or a door that's slamming right when you thought it was about to open. And you're wondering, why does this keep happening to me? Well, what if those obstacles aren't there to stop you? What if they're actually there to make you better and make you jump higher? In this conversation, you'll learn how to stop tying your self-worth to rejection, and how to treat every no as feedback instead of a verdict. You'll learn why patience

• 3:19Lewis Howes?

  means trusting the process like a farmer trusts his crops. And you'll hear how faith carried a kid who left home at 13 into a life he says he could have never built on his own. My guest today is one of the most iconic comedians of his generation, an Emmy winner with 15 stand-up specials. He's sold door-to-door, served as a teenage missionary in Haiti, and tells the whole story in his new book, Nine Lives, No Wives, and 69 Concubines. Welcome to today's episode with the one and only Cat Williams, and let's go ahead and dive in.

• 4:01Lewis Howes?

  We have a few things in common. I was telling you beforehand, both born and raised in Ohio.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 4:07Lewis Howes?

  You're an Ohio, Dayton guy, right?

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 4:09Lewis Howes?

  Cincinnati, Dayton. I grew up in a

• 4:11Speaker 01

  To this day.

• 4:12Lewis Howes?

  Small town of Delaware, Ohio. I don't know if

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Come on, Delaware.

• 4:16Lewis Howes?

  I don't know if you ever went through that small town.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  You're the most famous person.

• 4:20Lewis Howes?

  From Delaware. 20,000 people, right?

• 4:24Speaker 01

  You did it.

• 4:25Lewis Howes?

  And another thing is, we both left home, if I'm correct, at 13.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 4:30Lewis Howes?

  And for me, I left home because I didn't feel emotionally safe in the environment that I was in. I begged my parents to send me away.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:39Lewis Howes?

  And it was a big turning point in my life by leaving. And I'm curious, why did you leave home at 13? And what was the big takeaway you gained from that experience?

• 4:52Speaker 01

  If I was 6'4", I would have left at nine.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  I was trying to wait on my growth spurt. It just never came.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Well, that's great. Both from Ohio, both left early.

• 5:10Lewis Howes?

  What was the reason why you left and the biggest thing that you learned from leaving home at 13?

• 5:17Speaker 01

  It wasn't something that I would suggest to others. And when you read it in the book, it's a, I don't glamorize it. It was a terrible situation. It was a horrible decision for anybody else to make. There aren't any 13-year-olds that are qualified to do it. On the other hand, I had a religious background, and Jesus left home when he was 13. And the Jewish culture teaches that you're a man at 13.

• 5:55Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 5:56Speaker 01

  And so I had enough precedence in my own study to understand that if things were really as bad as I was making them out to be, I had every right to change it. And that if I continued to show up to a circumstance I didn't agree with. So I was young enough to make a dumb mistake, but I was also young enough to see if this works. And yeah, I believed in God, so I had this false sense of he won't let me fail.

• 6:40Lewis Howes?

  Really, at 13?

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, my whole life.

• 6:43Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's one of the best things about the book is that even if you're an atheist, reading the book may not make you believe in God, but you will believe in the belief in God. And it's been proven that that's a thing, you know? So yeah, even then, I didn't really look at it as a negative. I looked at it as getting a head start.

• 7:18Lewis Howes?

  I've heard you say before that you're favored by God. And a lot of things don't really kind of stress you out or worry you out because you are favored by God. Have you always believed that? Or is that something more later in your life that you started to believe?

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Well, I believed that you could be. And I was just trying to put myself in a position where if it was possible, that I would be qualified for it, you know? And I had just done so much reading. And that's how all books go, you know? That's part of a good story, is that we're able to see the trials and tribulations that this person has to go through, and how, no matter how scared you are in the middle of the book, by the

• 8:10Speaker 01

  end of the book, it's gonna be worth it. It gets better. Things work out that once looked dark. And you start understanding that, yeah, it is always darkest before the dawn. Like, that's part of how it goes. It's darker and darker and darker. But it's not infinite. It can only get so dark before the light has to show up. It's in all the books. And so

• 8:43Lewis Howes?

  But how do you, how do you have faith or trust that you're gonna be taken care of spiritually, physically, emotionally, at some point in the future, when you're going through a very dark time?

• 8:54Speaker 01

  I never read a book where it didn't work. I didn't read the story of the person who

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Didn't work the hardest being the most successful. I didn't. I might have believed that had I read those stories, but those aren't the stories that I read. The stories that I read were very specific that you don't know who you are. That's all. Everybody else knows already who you are. You don't know. And as the story progresses, you find out who you've been the entire time. And it doesn't matter if the story is Spider-Man or Superman or.

• 9:46Lewis Howes?

  That's the story.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  The story is that you're already enough. It's trying to do it as fast as you can figure out.

• 9:59Lewis Howes?

  Did you ever believe you weren't enough or have doubts about your?

• 10:02Speaker 01

  I never, I never thought that I needed to be more to be enough. And people were put in my life that just reinforced that. Like I met Prince young enough that right in the time of my life, when I was going to be worried about my size,

• 10:27Speaker 01

  I met somebody shorter than me that was already a millionaire.

• 10:31Lewis Howes?

  Was he shorter than Prince?

• 10:34Lewis Howes?

  Cause you were what, 12 when you met him?

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I was already 5'5" and he was already 5'3".

• 10:40Lewis Howes?

  You met him in Ohio too, right? That's crazy.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  In Dayton.

• 10:43Lewis Howes?

  So you met him in Dayton, Prince, when you were 12?

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:46Lewis Howes?

  And what did meeting him when he was successful and a millionaire teach you about possibilities?

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Up until that point, I was assuming that, you know, certain things were gonna happen. Of course I'm gonna, I'm not gonna stay this size forever. Like this growth spurt is almost a guaranteed thing. It happens to everybody.

• 11:06Lewis Howes?

  14, 16, it's coming to me.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  So I'm gonna, I'm gonna be 5'5" and I'm gonna wake up different, you know? But meeting Prince made me come to grips with, oh, it may never come. This may be what I am all the way through.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  That's all right, I guess. You got this example of this guy who's doing it just fine.

• 11:30Lewis Howes?

  He figured it out, yeah.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  Right. So things like that would happen to where I didn't.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Like I was never fully counting on me. I was counting on my portion. I knew I had to do my portion right, but I'm counting on the whole entity to pull me through.

• 11:50Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, the whole time.

• 11:53Lewis Howes?

  So did you have like a, was this a daily thought process where you were just like, okay, I'm gonna figure out what I want, you know, whether it be getting into the comedy scene and I'm gonna go pursue this path and I'm gonna put in my effort and my part. But I know God's gonna carry me through and create the opportunities that are meant for me. Was it something you were thinking or feeling or was it a different approach?

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Financially, I was in such a poor position that I was willing to do whatever it took

• 12:25Speaker 01

  to live a good lifestyle. And I knew that I would bend my morals more than I would like otherwise. And so I was asking him to put me in a position where I didn't have to worry about any of that and that it would meet my personal criteria for something that I could do well at. So I'm very specific in what I'm asking for so that I don't have to question whether something is God or whether something is chance or happenstance.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Because I've asked specifically for something that I did not have and had no access to. And if I privately have that conversation and then two weeks later it materializes, I'm not gonna hesitate from letting people know that that's how it happened.

• 13:28Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:30Lewis Howes?

  Was there ever a time where you feel like you were working or going about life against your morals? Or against what God, you felt like God wanted for you to make money or to create opportunities? Or just a season that you were doing that?

• 13:45Speaker 01

  I wasn't sure if I had ever been on the right path exactly. But I had already read the prodigal son story. So I understood that God doesn't have unrealistic expectations of me. And I just felt like there was something out there for me and that if I came across it, I would know. And that if it was the right path, that he will make certain things happen to let me know this is the path to continue.

• 14:23Lewis Howes?

  Is that signs or synchronicities or signals of like, this is the right path? Or would it just be a knowing that, hey, you're supposed to go through this door or this opportunity? Or how would you know?

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Well, because I get introduced to drug dealing because it's a profitable thing. You can take this that costs a hundred dollars and you can make $700 off of that. What? Oh, well.

• 14:48Lewis Howes?

  It's easy.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  I don't need to do that very long. I just need to do that for a little bit. I'll be in an entirely different situation and I can get out of here. But I don't wanna live a life of crime. Like that's not my actual spirit. That's not the type of person I am. So my thing to God is, here's my situation. You're already looking at it. You see that I got a lot of opportunities to make money out here.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  What I need is something that I can do without any of that and be able to get what I need out of life. Do this. Show me my purpose. If it's not gonna be any of this, because I'm not gonna be in a bad situation. I'm not gonna be out here without as many opportunities as there are for me to get it. I'm gonna be trying to get it. But if you'll show me something that I can do and have be a good guy, I'd love it. And I'll show you my appreciation and how hard I go for it.

• 16:03Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 16:03Speaker 01

  You know?

• 16:04Lewis Howes?

  So how old were you?

• 16:05Speaker 01

  That's what he gave me.

• 16:05Lewis Howes?

  How old were you when that kind of came to you? You feel like?

• 16:09Speaker 01

  No, I'm not asking for that until this, this situation. So I guess I was 20.

• 16:18Lewis Howes?

  Wow. And when you, when it came to you, the opportunities then, how did you show your appreciation for God? Was it through your work ethic? Was it through generosity? Was it through how you wanted to shine your light and your spirit? How were you thinking about that?

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Well, first of all, he gave me something that I already loved. Like I already loved to laugh. That was a great thing in my life is just being able to laugh. And so I loved comedy already. So when he gave me the chance to be involved in comedy, okay. Well, all I would like to do is, I would like to do stand-up and I would like to do a brand of stand-up where I can have a real connection with the people. And we can talk about all the topics that there are to discuss. And hopefully it'll give me an opportunity that if I know something new

• 17:18Speaker 01

  or if I learn something new, that I'll be able to get that to as many people as possible.

• 17:26Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  You know?

• 17:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  And so if any of this is true, then I can't be a mediocre comedian.

• 17:36Lewis Howes?

  You have to be exceptional.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  I, or I have to stink.

• 17:39Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Like I have to be one of the worst comedians?

• 17:44Lewis Howes?

  Or one of the greatest?

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Or I gotta, I gotta have something.

• 17:48Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 17:53Lewis Howes?

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• 19:57Lewis Howes?

  about you going in to get information and then wanting to share it with others, what you're learning about every situation, about comedy, about life, about the industries, things like that. You know, you've been the voice of truth in a lot of ways, specifically in the last few years, even more so. What has being the voice of truth cost you in your life? And would you ever give that up?

• 20:20Speaker 01

  As far as what it costs you, there's going to be bad.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  There's going to be unfavorable reaction to

• 20:32Lewis Howes?

  telling the truth?

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Anybody that is making a living off of the deception that you're exposing.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  But it's a very rewarding thing.

• 20:45Lewis Howes?

  Really? And I guess, how do you protect your spirit or your soul or your energy when you're sharing, you're being a truth teller? And you know there's going to be some potential attacks or people upset or people questioning you? Or like, how do you protect your own energy from that space?

• 21:08Speaker 01

  I don't mix my energy and my soul is never in question in this. This is what I do for a living. I'm a surgeon, so I dissect. I remove what needs to be removed, cleanse the area, sew it back up. That's the end of it. This is part of my job and this is the best part of the job. And it only works if you're telling the truth. It only works if, if you get a chance to expose something

• 21:52Speaker 01

  that a group of people are actively trying to. Yeah, it only, you can immediately tell if you've hit that nerve. And if your job is to hit the nerve, then you, you're gonna notice. But yeah, very rewarding because I was willing to do this if there was no appetite for it. So I'm saying to find out that there's a whole segment of the population that absolutely wants to know the truth about everything. And they want to know who's telling what lie. And, you know, like, it's very rewarding.

• 22:36Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Very rewarding.

• 22:38Lewis Howes?

  I mean, what was the biggest reward you gained from continuing to open up then for yourself?

• 22:45Lewis Howes?

  Is it the peace you have? Is it knowing you're helping others? Is it's?

• 22:50Speaker 01

  No, the people that don't like me avoid me.

• 22:54Lewis Howes?

  That's the greatest reward for you.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  And, and the level of people that want to engage with me are the best people in the world.

• 23:06Lewis Howes?

  So when some of the world calls you crazy, then who's in your corner? Who, who, who are the people that are in your corners? Are the people that love the truth or?

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Knowing yourself is helpful, no matter what job you're doing. If you're an athlete or an artist, it doesn't really matter. You should be very, very clear with yourself about what your strengths are and what your weaknesses are. And the closer you get to knowing that, the more times you'll be able to access what it is you're trying to access out of yourself. So I'm not in any way, like, I can't, I can't be peer pressured. Like, somebody calling me crazy doesn't.

• 24:01Lewis Howes?

  Doesn't affect you, doesn't?

• 24:02Speaker 01

  I'm smarter than the person saying it. I, if I don't know that, why do I expect them to know?

• 24:09Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Right?

• 24:10Lewis Howes?

  Sure.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  And innovation and creativity can often be misidentified. It's crazy and I understand that.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  I think that's why we came up with the word eccentric.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Because crazy is when it doesn't work.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Eccentric is when it's very successful.

• 24:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, you took a risk, you had courage to put something out there and it worked.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:39Lewis Howes?

  Right. Or maybe a lot of people wouldn't try that or something.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  All entrepreneurs come into grips with this.

• 24:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, nobody needs to remove it. They've got enough people selling hamburgers already.

• 24:55Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:57Lewis Howes?

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• 26:05Speaker 01

  I will be working on myself to the end and I'm imperfect. So I have a humongous list. And it's taken me almost all my life just to work through the 10 commandments and try to nail down as much as I can and make adjustments. And, but what I, what I found is you're never not rewarded for that work. It doesn't matter if the listener or viewer starts today. Like, you're immediately going to see the results. Like, it's, it's better than the gym. Like, the gym keeps going because it keeps working.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Like, if you keep going in there lifting, you're gonna get better looking. And it's gonna work, even for you, no matter where you're starting at. And in life, it's the same thing with working on yourself. Like, at some point, you appreciate how many flaws you have because you realize.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  If I fix two of these, I'm a whole different creature, you know? And, and it always works. You always come out on the other side better. Like, my thing now is, uh, my last lesson was, uh, patience.

• 27:28Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  You know? And, uh, as painful as it is, you learn patience,

• 27:35Speaker 01

  by being disgruntled for long periods of time.

• 27:39Lewis Howes?

  Frustrated, angry.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Just going, just going, where's the payoff? And yeah, you could be upset and, uh, let that go that, that way. But, um, when you start looking at yourself like a farmer and understanding how crops go, you understand how much of your time is just trusting the process. That stuff doesn't have anything to do with you. You know, your job was to plant the seeds.

• 28:07Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's gonna be a long, long time before you see the benefits of this. And it's gonna be, yeah.

• 28:17Lewis Howes?

  What's a seed that you planted 10, 15, 20 years ago that you're just now seeing the fruits of?

• 28:22Speaker 01

  I don't really know how to answer that because I planted all the seeds I came across. Now, part of that is probably because of how deficient I was, you know?

• 28:34Lewis Howes?

  Doing a lot of everything. Yeah, yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Well, I'm saying everything that I ever learned from a person or from a book or from any source, the first thing I did was put it into practice in my life so that I could verify that it was real, you know? So, having done that so many times, like,

• 29:00Speaker 01

  I guess that's the part I enjoy the most is that very rarely do you plant a seed and nothing happens.

• 29:09Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, it might just take time.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  There's more of a chance that you'll forget where you planted the seed.

• 29:14Lewis Howes?

  Or when you planted it, yeah.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  That seed is not going to do what it's supposed to do. And then it just, that makes your appreciation for God go up so much more because you understand what's behind things. And yeah, every, everything that you learn just further reinforces,

• 29:38Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  what you were wondering, I found.

• 29:44Lewis Howes?

  There's a great quote in your book on, uh, page 116 uh, of your new book called Nine Lives, No Wives, and Sixty-Nine Concubines. The quote is, "Learn to embrace what's meant for you because the universe gets real petty when you keep dodging your own blessings." How much do you think about gratitude and appreciation in your day to day life? When the universe is bringing you a beautiful opportunity? Or also maybe a beautiful obstacle in your way?

• 30:15Speaker 01

  If you are a hurdler,

• 30:18Speaker 01

  you don't look at obstacles the same way than somebody else would.

• 30:23Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  You know, um, so.

• 30:27Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  Uh, I, I have changed my frame of mind to the point where I don't, I don't see the negative first. It's just almost impossible for me to do. So even with the hurdles and the things that pop up, it's just another opportunity to jump higher. And that's the goal.

• 30:55Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Is that you're supposed to jump higher. And, um, it keeps you from being lackadaisical. It keeps you from being happy with where you are when you know that you can do better.

• 31:10Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  You know, and so I appreciate that.

• 31:14Lewis Howes?

  Did you ever have a scarcity or poverty mindset? Or did you always have a kind of an abundance growth mindset approach to life?

• 31:23Speaker 01

  As a proud American, um, when you're young, well, let me just speak for me. I, I was interested in finding out, why are we the greatest country in the world? What, what, what makes us so different from other cultures? Like, why, why are we so steadfast on that? What, what are the things? And, um, one of the greatest things about being an American is you really believe in this country that you can make tomorrow better than today was.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  And that whoever outworks the other guy, that's who wins. And, um, that was one of my first lessons in this country is that it seemed to me that in every situation, the hardest worker wins.

• 32:23Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Both great guys, both great teams, both great situations. But if it's ever here and here, it's, uh, who worked? Who's the hardest worker? Yeah, and so, and my whole life, it seemed I was selling something, whether it was religion or candy or books and magazines. I, I, because it was something that, um, always worked, never failed. You can get something at this price and you can get a better price for it if you were willing to get it out there.

• 33:04Lewis Howes?

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• 35:15Lewis Howes?

  Some restrictions may apply. Weren't you a door-to-door salesman for a while too? And the top seller in the company or in the region or?

• 35:23Speaker 01

  I had the ability to, um, not look at the negative parts of things. And, um, by removing the negative out of situations, it just makes them clearer, right? So I found out that sales is a numbers game. And so that would mean you have to get told no 300 times to get 30 yeses.

• 35:48Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Well.

• 35:50Lewis Howes?

  Hey, just keep showing up then.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, are you sure? Because I really just want to know if that's the case. Because I'm not bothered by no's. I'm especially not bothered by no's if that's what I collect for a living. All I know is, does 900 no's equal 90 yeses? Because I'm going for 90.

• 36:12Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 36:14Speaker 01

  You know?

• 36:15Lewis Howes?

  Coming with houses to go to, all show up?

• 36:17Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I'm going to all of the houses.

• 36:19Lewis Howes?

  Right, right, yeah.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Because I don't, I don't make a distinction. I needed 900 houses. I'm trusting 90 and above.

• 36:30Lewis Howes?

  Wow. What was the greatest lesson that door-to-door sales taught you about life for yourself?

• 36:35Speaker 01

  That.

• 36:37Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  That, and.

• 36:39Lewis Howes?

  Because a lot of people get discouraged when they hear one no, or they fail once, or it doesn't work out, or whatever. They go on stage and no one clapped for them, or it didn't work. And then they kind of stop. So did this teach you to just keep going until you got the yeses?

• 36:54Speaker 01

  No, it taught me how much I appreciate the yeses.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  You know?

• 37:04Speaker 01

  It made the yeses so much more meaningful.

• 37:09Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Is that, so then you don't look at rejection the same.

• 37:15Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  You know, you'll kind of look at it with a little bit of pity.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  You know?

• 37:21Lewis Howes?

  How did you not tie your self-worth to other people's no's or rejections or doors not opening for you when you wanted them to? How did you not tie your self-worth to that no at that moment?

• 37:34Speaker 01

  Because I already had my self-worth attached to a yes.

• 37:37Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, even at times where you didn't feel the yeses were coming? Or there didn't feel like?

• 37:42Speaker 01

  I'm doing it wrong.

• 37:44Lewis Howes?

  How so?

• 37:45Speaker 01

  My, everything changed once I realized, when they're saying no, they're just saying, I didn't do a good enough job. Whatever I needed to say, I didn't say it.

• 37:57Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, so it's feedback.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  However, I should have been standing, I wasn't standing like that.

• 38:02Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  The look on my face when the lady opened the door, that should have been better because this is first impressions. And so that in turn helped me in comedy.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Because they're never wrong.

• 38:22Lewis Howes?

  The audience?

• 38:22Speaker 01

  The audience. The audience is never wrong.

• 38:24Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  They don't know how to be wrong. They're brought in for their opinion. Their opinion is absolute.

• 38:32Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  If it were funny, they would have laughed.

• 38:36Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Right?

• 38:38Lewis Howes?

  What if you thought it was funny and they didn't?

• 38:40Speaker 01

  I don't have an opinion. I only have their opinion.

• 38:44Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  I'm not counting on anything that hasn't happened already. So I've, I've done these jokes in a hundred cities before I shoot this special.

• 38:56Lewis Howes?

  Ah.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  So what is it for me to be figuring out? I know it's funny because it's in there.

• 39:02Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. You've already tested it.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  If there was any, if it wasn't funny, I would have just took it up.

• 39:09Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Only funny stuff stays there.

• 39:14Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. When you're trying something new on stage that you think this is really funny, like this is, I'm gonna get the laugh right away. And maybe it doesn't work in one area of the world, but then it works in another area, or maybe it just never works. Does it affect your self-belief in your creativity or your material? Because you thought it was funny and others didn't? Or how do you navigate that if you don't get the laugh?

• 39:37Speaker 01

  I'm not good enough to be able to take it for granted like that. Like, um.

• 39:41Lewis Howes?

  What do you mean?

• 39:42Speaker 01

  Like on any joke, I have to have laughed at it personally in order for it to make it to the paper. Right? So the person I did consult already thought this was funny. If I can't figure out how to make it be funny to you, that's a me problem. And so that's what I'm doing when I'm not on stage is I'm putting in the work.

• 40:10Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  To make sure those things don't happen. So I'm gonna tell this joke to myself thirty-five times in this mirror.

• 40:21Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 40:21Speaker 01

  Until it gets funny to me.

• 40:23Lewis Howes?

  Really? Until it's funny to you first?

• 40:26Speaker 01

  I can't afford to deliver it if it's not funny.

• 40:29Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  So the whole part where you, oh, you tell a joke and what if they don't laugh? I, I would be horrified.

• 40:37Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 40:37Speaker 01

  Because what have I been doing? I'm in charge of when the jokes come out.

• 40:42Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  So, you know?

• 40:44Lewis Howes?

  So you don't just think, ah, I've got this idea. I'm gonna go test it out on stage at this small little, you know, gig that I've got, or I'm gonna show up and just test material. Let's see if this works. Or do you say, you never even do that. You say, I'm gonna know this works in the mirror first. Test it with someone else one-on-one before I bring it out to test it, I guess, on a stage.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:07Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. Because I, I hear a lot of comedians say, I'm just gonna go try material out. Maybe it's a smaller audience, or maybe it's not my main gig. And it's, I do a ten-minute set or something to test it. Instead of testing it on themselves first.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  The longer you go in this business, you start realizing there's a formula for everything. And your job is to keep nailing the formula, right? There are certain words that are funnier than other words. There are

• 41:40Speaker 01

  different cadences that are funnier than others.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Part of you being a writer is

• 41:52Speaker 01

  you, you're the one with the wand in your hand, Mr. Magician. You see what I'm saying? Our job is to make the magic, you know? And so, uh, yeah, there's, there's no opinion other than theirs. But I'm clear as to the conversation that I've been having with the audience. And I've kept having that same conversation, just for different subject matter.

• 42:18Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:20Lewis Howes?

  When you go to different parts of the country, do you take into account that region of the country or the region of the world when you're touring? On how you approach certain jokes? Or you approach your energy or way of being on stage? Or do you just say, I'm gonna be as consistent as who I am, how I wanna sit, do the, do the material day in and day out, no matter what city, what country, what state?

• 42:47Lewis Howes?

  Do you, do you think about that or is that not part of the process?

• 42:51Speaker 01

  For the majority of my stand-up career, the first fifteen minutes of my act was devoted to the place I was.

• 43:04Lewis Howes?

  The city.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 43:05Lewis Howes?

  Calling out certain, the sports team or who's from there or?

• 43:09Speaker 01

  So I have a forty-five-minute set that I'm going to do. But the first fifteen minutes, it's just gonna be about this wonderful little spot you got here.

• 43:19Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  And, um.

• 43:21Lewis Howes?

  Columbus, Ohio, Atlanta, Georgia, South Florida, wherever we are, let's talk about the people from here.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Right, because there's something on the news that everybody's already discussing.

• 43:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  And, um, I personally, if I've been there for two days, I've personally eaten here upwards of six times.

• 43:45Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Right? And I went different places. I saw different things and, and I'm able to have a, um, a crowd work type of conversation without the crowd.

• 43:59Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  So, yeah, that's the greatest thing about travel. Was just seeing what the differences are and, you know, noticing the commonalities and, you know, that's what makes travel already great. So, yeah, it's one of the best parts of the job.

• 44:15Lewis Howes?

  When you're doing a special though, it's, it's, I guess, for a much broader audience. It's not for a city, you know, where you can connect with the locals and give some inside jokes about, you know, the restaurants and the, the people from there, or if they have a certain, you know, accent or whatever it might be. How do you approach it, knowing this is going to the world, but I'm also speaking to this city community? So that it lands both locally and globally on the special?

• 44:45Speaker 01

  Right. Well, I've never even looked at it that way. Because I'm, I'm looking, I'm looking at it from another direction. So I am trying to, I'm trying to write something that nine months from now, the stories that I have chosen to tell still have legs nine months later.

• 45:08Lewis Howes?

  Irrelevant, yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  They, uh.

• 45:11Lewis Howes?

  Evergreen, yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  That this isn't a joke that they only get up north. This isn't just a Bible Belt joke. This isn't just an East Coast. Because I've taken this same material around. I know this works for everyone. Everyone gets this, you see? So that's the confidence when I'm doing the special is I already know it works.

• 45:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  I just have to deliver it correctly.

• 45:44Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  You know?

• 45:46Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the audience for me is never not global.

• 45:52Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, that's cool. Do you believe there's ever a spiritual attack against you? Because you're speaking the truth in certain ways? Or do you feel like also people who speak the truth have more spiritual attacks against them?

• 46:07Speaker 01

  It's well documented what happens to whistleblowers worldwide.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  We all know what they can and

• 46:19Speaker 01

  are capable of doing. We have far too many scientists dead or missing right now for us to not understand that, um, I don't know if there's another explanation for Charlie Kirk. I'm saying, if you are telling any modicum of any truth to anybody about anything, there are people who don't appreciate it.

• 46:47Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  And you would just be doing yourself a disservice if you didn't understand that going in.

• 46:54Lewis Howes?

  How do you and how do we defend ourselves against spiritual warfare in our own lives? When we are pursuing our passion or our dream, or we feel like we're pursuing a calling from God? Um, and we feel like we're under spiritual attack? How should we arm ourselves spiritually?

• 47:16Lewis Howes?

  And how have you done this as well? And I don't know if people ask you these questions.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  Never in life, never.

• 47:21Lewis Howes?

  I don't know if they do.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  Never in life.

• 47:23Lewis Howes?

  I don't know if you know.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  Only at the School of Greatness.

• 47:26Lewis Howes?

  This is the stuff I'm actually fascinated by with you. You know, it's like, obviously you're comedic legend and you've done so many great things. And yes, but for me, I want to understand behind your heart and your mind about how you approach these greater things that I think are happening for you, maybe not to you, but happening for you. And I think there's a lot of wisdom that you've experienced that you could share with us. So that's why I'm really curious.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  At any moment of your life, if you are in any spiritual warfare type of situation, you are immediately impressed with how weak and inefficient our opposition is. I'm only saying it's easy because you're able to track the progress. If there isn't somebody trying to stop you from what you're doing, then I don't know how you know it's the right thing. But from this side of it, yeah, you're like, you're almost overjoyed to be attacked

• 48:38Speaker 01

  in spiritual warfare because first of all, it means you're worthy. Wait a minute, I'm on the radar?

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Whoa, that's as much as I wanted. That's, yeah, because that was my whole thing in reading the Bible even young was like, God always at these points came down to people and was like, okay, let me find somebody

• 49:04Speaker 01

  who loves me.

• 49:04Lewis Howes?

  You.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Right. And the guy was never qualified. He was never.

• 49:09Lewis Howes?

  Too small.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  That guy.

• 49:10Lewis Howes?

  David and Goliath.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Any of the situations, God was just like, no, you.

• 49:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  And the worse you are, the more it proves, you know? And so that's why I decided to write a book because if I, if I give you my entire life and you see how it went up to this point, even you will agree, I didn't do this. I didn't have, you know, it wasn't me. It wasn't me. I'll, I'll show you what I believed and I will show you that I kept believing that and it kept working.

• 49:49Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  You know, so.

• 49:50Lewis Howes?

  When you feel the most under attack then in your life, what is your conversation with God like? And how frequently are you speaking with God?

• 49:59Speaker 01

  I don't know how to say it without it sounding embarrassing, but I only talk to God when I need him for a circumstance or a situation. And I need him every day in all circumstances and situations. And he's done so much at this point that really I'm just making a verbal record between he and I.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Oftentimes I've asked for something that I didn't need and would have misused. And I didn't get it. I got something else, you know? And your faith is something that you can work on yourself.

• 50:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  And if you're in a situation and you feel like it's not happening, that's your answer. And so don't stop there. Ask better questions because a lot of times you're waiting on the answer that already came and you've already acknowledged it. You're going, you're going, why won't you help me do this? And the answer is you're not supposed to be doing that. Do something else.

• 51:32Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  At least try something else so that you can accidentally find what it is.

• 51:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  But if you're expecting help in this situation, you know what I mean? If what you're praying for is a bad marriage, divorce is the answer.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  You're, you're thinking that this hasn't come or you're not being acknowledged. And you have been, you know?

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• 53:22Speaker 01

  Fifteen, eighteen.

• 53:23Lewis Howes?

  Fifteen, eighteen, yeah. So in your late teens, you're in Haiti, you're helping, from my research, you're helping mothers save their kids from, you know, going through health challenges. And you're in service for a year and a half roughly. What did being in service to moms and their sick kids teach you about yourself or teach you about life?

• 53:50Speaker 01

  Well, I was still a spoiled American child. So I had never seen abject poverty because I was from America. So I, I had never seen a whole village of people wake up hungry and they're not the resources nearby to change that. So that part was eye opening for me to see how little people could possess financially. And to see that that had no bearing on their happiness.

• 54:35Lewis Howes?

  Some of these people were happy too?

• 54:38Speaker 01

  Most of them.

• 54:39Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Were happy.

• 54:41Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  And because they made it their business to be happy. And they were joyous and they didn't have the same background as an African American person would have. In place of that, they had pride because they had been colonized and fought for their own independence. So yes, starving, but a warrior starving, someone free starving. So I would have done whatever I could to help.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  I was just thankful that I came from a place like America where we understood that, you know, there are things you can do. And yeah, it was, it was an entirely, it was, it was culture shock completely, but I just learned so much from their resilience and seeing people that were born in just terrible, terrible situations. But they didn't care about that. They cared about, can it be better? And it might look bad to you, but this is the best it's ever been, you know?

• 56:09Speaker 01

  And there's something really, really hopeful about that. And the situation with the helping was, was just that they were dealing with,

• 56:24Speaker 01

  the babies were dealing with diarrhea from dehydration, right? And this information about, you know, putting some salt in the good water.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  They didn't have that information and I did. And so.

• 56:40Lewis Howes?

  Knowledge is power.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  It was a joy to be able to, you know?

• 56:45Lewis Howes?

  You took information from here and you took it there.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  Right, but being able to see in real time because all this mother knows is that her baby is sick and she hasn't done anything wrong. She's feeding them as best as she can. She's making sure they're clean and doing everything. And this child just won't get any better, you know? And so, yeah, the, the benefits were so instantaneous

• 57:17Speaker 01

  that I understood why people do missionary work, you know? Just because if you look at it from afar, you're just like, oh, why would you want to be around this circumstance? But once you experience the blessing of being able to help somebody in any type of way,

• 57:40Speaker 01

  it just does something for you. Yeah, I was glad to have seen that lesson early on.

• 57:46Lewis Howes?

  Beautiful, yeah. You've got so many powerful stories in your book. I want people to get a copy right now. Get a copy for your friends as well. Nine Lives, No Lives, and Sixty Nine Concubines. Powerful lessons, powerful truth, powerful wisdom by the man Kat Williams. I want people to check it out. Couple of final questions for you Kat, and I want to be respectful of your time. What is the, what's the one thing you wish people really knew about you that you don't think people understand about you?

• 58:13Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 58:14Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  No, yeah, at this point, the gig's up.

• 58:21Lewis Howes?

  There you go.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  This, this was.

• 58:23Lewis Howes?

  It's all out there.

• 58:24Speaker 01

  This was my only story. And my, my job was just to preserve it long enough in the hopes that maybe one day it'll be helpful.

• 58:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  To somebody else.

• 58:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 58:36Speaker 01

  And if you read this book, you'll know it can happen to anybody. Like, no matter what.

• 58:44Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  And that there are some things that you can do to help yourself. And that should be your focus in life is just trying to make yourself a better person.

• 59:01Lewis Howes?

  Hundred percent.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:03Lewis Howes?

  This question is what I ask everyone towards the end of the episodes. It's called Three Truths.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:08Lewis Howes?

  Imagine a hypothetical scenario. You get to live as long as you want in this earth. But it's your last day. And you get to create, you know, this book is just one chapter in the many books that you write and the stories you tell for the rest of your life. But for whatever reason, on this last hypothetical day, you have to take all of your work with you. The book is gone from this world, this conversation gone, every comedy special you ever do, gone, hypothetical. But on the last day, you get to leave behind three lessons to the world from everything you've been consuming and shared. I call it three truths. What would those truths be for you that you would leave behind?

• 59:45Speaker 01

  Uh, you can never read enough, learn enough, or ask enough questions. Number two, you were perfectly made by a perfect God. Who also created a perfect universe for you to exist in. Do with that as you will. And lastly, start out small with yourself and only make improvements to your meals and beverages.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  To your recreation time and to your sleep.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  And if you hone in on those things personally for yourself. You will always be in a better position.

• 1:00:50Lewis Howes?

  Kat Williams everywhere on social media. They can get the book right now. You've got an amazing Netflix special out as well. And I think a new podcast coming out on Netflix.

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  Indeed, according to Kat.

• 1:01:02Lewis Howes?

  According to Kat. The final question is, what's your definition of greatness?

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  Whatever your last minute of whatever your profession is. How was that? How was your last effort? For all of us athletes, performers, or what have you, the longer you play, the longer you realize nothing's guaranteed. Nothing's gonna stay the same. Everything's gonna change. And even though every moment won't be your last moment, every moment is guaranteed to be closer to the last moment. And so it cannot be understated

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  how important it is for you to put your best foot forward on everything that you are trying to do. And anything that piques your interest and curiosity is something worth checking out. And anything that's on your list of things to do.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  All of those deserve a higher priority. Now is the time.

• 1:02:17Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  That's what I would say. So.

• 1:02:21Lewis Howes?

  Kat, thanks for being here, man.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:02:24Lewis Howes?

  Appreciate it, appreciate it. My friend, I hope you're enjoying this episode right now because we are on a mission to impact a hundred million lives every single week. And every follow here on this podcast helps us reach more people. Make sure to hit the follow at the top of this show's page right now. It's the single biggest thing that you can do to support the show and the impact of us reaching you every single time we have new episodes. I appreciate you and I can't wait to see you in the next episode. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links.

• 1:03:05Lewis Howes?

  And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well. Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review. I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward. And I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. And now it's time to go out there and do something great.

• 1:03:50Lewis Howes?

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• 1:04:33Lewis Howes?

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