979 Lisa Nichols: How to Find Your Life's Purpose and Embrace Your Imperfections

"You can’t have a life in the castle with a mindset in the doghouse."Lewis is joined by Lisa Nichols, one of the world's most successful motivational speakers, to discuss how to cultivate a growth mindset, why you need to choose conviction over convenience, and how to use emotion to your benefit instead of your detriment.- Brene Brown teaches you how to create true belonging and heal the world: https://lewishowes.com/536- David Goggins on mastering your mind and defying the odds: https://lewishowes.com/715 Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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• 0:01Lewis Howes?

  This is episode number 979 with Lisa Nichols.

• 0:07Lewis Howes?

  Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur, and each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin.

• 0:33Lewis Howes?

  It is always a good day when I get to start off the podcast with a quote from Winnie the Pooh. In the movie Pooh's Grand Adventure, Christopher Robin advises that, "You're braver than you believe, you are stronger than you seem, and smarter than you think. And truer words have never been spoken." My guest today truly understands the value of self-worth in the face of doubt, self-care in the face of uncertainty, and self-love that fosters growth, not complacency. And I interviewed Lisa Nichols back in 2016. It was a mind-blowing conversation, and I've been waiting for the right moment to bring her back on. Lisa is

• 1:16Lewis Howes?

  one of the world's most successful motivational speakers, media personalities, and entrepreneurs, and her global platform has reached nearly 80 million people. She has wisdom and catchphrases for days, and I can't wait for you to hear this episode. In it, we talk about living life to make an impact, not an impression. The importance of controlling not just your words and actions, but also your reactions. This is a big one. How to make the most out of your imperfections. Yes, you, you've got some imperfections. How do we make the most of them? And so much more. This one is going to blow you away. And if you're finding value in Lisa's wisdom, make sure to share it with someone who you think needs to hear it. Send

• 1:59Lewis Howes?

  them this link, lewishowes.com/979, or just copy and paste the link where you're listening to this on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or any podcast platform. And a quick reminder to click that subscribe button on Apple Podcasts right now, and make sure to rate and review it if you're a fan, so we can spread the message of greatness to more people. And now, without further ado, let's dive into this episode with the one, the only, Lisa Nichols.

• 2:31Lewis Howes?

  Welcome everyone back to the School of Greatness. I am super excited about our guest today, Lisa Nichols, one of the world's most motivational speakers, most requested. She's reached over 80 million people from her work. She's been around for a long time, serving people at the highest level with her programs, courses, events, mastermind, coaching, curriculum. She's got incredible stuff and I'm so glad she's back. The last time we had her on, had over half a million views on our YouTube, spread all over the internet from the wisdom that she drops. So Lisa, welcome back to the School of Greatness. I miss you.

• 3:04Lisa Nichols?

  Oh my gosh, I have missed you, brother. Yes. I feel like it's like a welcome home. Welcome home.

• 3:10Lewis Howes?

  I know. I'm so excited. Unfortunately, we can't hang in person right now. We're in the middle of pandemic, but I'm excited that we get to connect here virtually.

• 3:19Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah.

• 3:19Lewis Howes?

  And something you posted recently on your Twitter was about the importance of self-care. And now the first time you came on our show, you had talked about how you lost a ton of weight. And I think it was like 80 pounds or something crazy.

• 3:33Lisa Nichols?

  Close to 90.

• 3:34Lewis Howes?

  90 pounds. And you learned a lot about yourself from the process of letting go of the excess weight. And I'm curious, you talked about self-care in a recent tweet, the importance of self-care. And I'm curious, what is just the definition of that for you, self-care? Because a lot of people think like, okay, is it getting your nails done if you're a girl? Is it getting a massage? Is it the way you think about yourself? Is it?

• 3:58Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah.

• 3:59Lewis Howes?

  What is self-care for you?

• 4:00Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah. So, so first of all, I think self-care is a reflection of the, the worth that I believe I have. So a lot of people, and I did this for a long time, I wasn't in self-care, but I realized my lack of self-care was connected to my lack of self-worth. So I believe to the flip side of that, self-care is acknowledging your self-worth, acknowledging your value to yourself, acknowledging first to self, and then your value that you, you have to the people around you. Then self-care is your responsibility to your future. It's so much bigger than nails done. It's so much bigger than massage, though those are nice. Self-care

• 4:41Lisa Nichols?

  is saying, I want to be responsible for my future, meaning I want to give my body, give my mind, give myself what I need, so that I'm playing the long game. That recognizing, self-care is recognizing, this is not a sprint. This life is a marathon. You know, I always say that your, your, your, your job is to identify and, and, and, and, and have the courage and the tenacity and the resiliency to own your purpose. Your body's job is to get you there.

• 5:15Lewis Howes?

  Snap.

• 5:18Lisa Nichols?

  That right there.

• 5:20Lewis Howes?

  So what I'm hearing you say, uh, it's your body's job to have the energy, the clarity, the focus to sustain the marathon of life so that your purpose can be fulfilled and bring it to life.

• 5:32Lisa Nichols?

  Like you, you have, you're, you have a responsibility to your body and your health and wellness. If you believe your purpose is important or you're still discovering it, you want that dash between your birthday and your transition day to mean something, take care of your body. Take care of your body, take care of your mind so that you can, every morning I get up and I have the same gratitude prayer. Every morning, God, thank you for giving me a mind that's sane and sound and logical. Thank you for giving me a body that follows my command.

• 6:07Lisa Nichols?

  That right there. That, and if you don't think about it, like you're like, what, what, what has it? Try telling your hand to move and it doesn't move. Try wanting to run to a goal and you can't do it. And so every day, not one day goes by, I'm grateful and I share my gratitude for my mind, thinking logical thoughts, being able to rationalize and my body following my command. Your body is your instrument, it's your tool, it's the first person, the general in your army.

• 6:36Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. What happens when we live in a state of irrational thoughts or overly emotional thoughts? Especially, you know, there's a lot of people during this time that are freaking out from the pandemic and coming from an illogical, irrational place with the, uh, uh, social justice movement that are coming from, whether it's justified or not, is not what I'm saying, but coming from an emotional charged energy.

• 7:01Lisa Nichols?

  Right.

• 7:02Lewis Howes?

  What are we saying to ourselves when we come from an emotional or? Irrational state of mind with our actions.

• 7:09Lisa Nichols?

  Well, it's simple. First, it's important to understand that forward-moving individuals, leaders, abundant thinkers, change agents, when you think of the Nelson Mandelas and the Dr. Martin Luther Kings and the Caesar Chavez and the Mahatma Gandhis and the Mother Teresa's and you think about the Michelle Obamas, you think about those people, the Barack Obamas, you think about those people, they recognize that emotion and logic cannot coexist and make a logical decision. That logic must lead, emotion and longing has to follow. So you make your decisions from logic and information and fact, not longing and emotion.

• 7:54Lisa Nichols?

  You allow longing and emotion to fuel a logical decision. Does that make sense? So don't be without emotion, don't be without feeling, but every time you did something and it was just feeling that led, just emotionally, you probably said, "Oh, I should have did something different. I shouldn't have did that. I'm so sorry. I was angry. I'm so..." Like, you're always apologizing if it's just out of emotion. And by no means am I saying, "Don't be full of passion." Please get me, hear me correctly. Don't have, full of passion, but also make sure you're full of logic.

• 8:28Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh. So don't just, don't just be, "I'm outraged by this thing," whether it be a relationship or social justice or whatever. "Ah, this isn't fair," you know, just getting out there and chanting your feelings, that's not enough.

• 8:41Lisa Nichols?

  It's not enough. It's not enough in any form, whether it's social justice, whether it's a relationship, whether it's, you know, a business or service, it's not enough. You have, when you have logic in fact, you have, logic in fact included, gives you more of a chance to have longevity and impact. And so, um, so yeah, I, I, I know people recently have wanted me to be, um, uh, more emotional sooner than what they saw. And, and I, I, I found myself saying on social media very boldly, you know, um, I choose my path. I, I found my stillness. I went into a place of stillness and some of the social injustice.

• 9:23Lisa Nichols?

  I went to stillness first so that I can think about my movements. Because again, a leader, a leader, um, a, a gladiator, a change agent, a change maker, all the things that I consider myself to be or I aspire to be at, at the next level. I want my dash to mean something. You are not only responsible for your words and your actions, you're also responsible for your reactions.

• 9:50Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 9:51Lisa Nichols?

  Now that's, that's game changing. And so, so, so to the, to those individuals who are driven by emotion, I say absolutely, allow emotion to be the gas in your car, but make sure logic and, and, and information are at the steering wheel.

• 10:06Lewis Howes?

  Oh, if you're emotional at the steering wheel, you're about to crash somewhere.

• 10:10Lisa Nichols?

  Exactly, something. You're not making the best decisions while you're inside of traffic going 100 miles fast when you can.

• 10:16Lewis Howes?

  Did you feel a sense of, what I'm hearing you say is that maybe you weren't posting or talking about your feelings of the, of, of Black Lives Matter or the social, uh, injustice that was happening quick enough and that some of your audience was pushing you to say, where's your stance or why aren't you speaking up? Or is that what I'm hearing you say?

• 10:35Lisa Nichols?

  Right. Well, I, I, I responded immediately, but I, I said, I responded, uh, when I responded, I said, I'm, I'm praying. I'm praying for George Floyd's family. I'm praying for his children. I'm praying for his, the community. I'm praying for every mother of every child, every black male child slain, every black male daughter slain. I'm praying for them. And I got some backlash, not a lot, but some backlash saying, you know, why are you just praying? We've been praying for so long. And so people were angry that I wasn't passionate enough. I wasn't publicly passionate enough. I was passionate. And you know, I'm a black woman. I was all day angry. I was hurt. I was disappointed. And my grandmother's 91 years old. Why is she still seeing this? Why are we still here? I had every emotion everyone else had.

• 11:20Lisa Nichols?

  But because I, I'm, I need to be responsible for my thoughts, my actions and my reactions because I'm gonna have a few million come with me. I wanted to make sure that I was doing something that was gonna be long lead. But before all of that, Louis, one of the reasons why I couldn't talk was because my son, twenty-five-year-old, six-two, two-hundred-and-twenty pounds, was driving twenty hours across the country from California to Seattle during the initial part of a lot of the protests. And so, my baby's on the road, in a car, behind the wheel, huge African-American male. So I couldn't even talk until he told me he got there safely and that took a few days.

• 12:05Lisa Nichols?

  And so, I was a mother. So I was, I was blown away with how scared I was. I couldn't sleep. I couldn't think straight. I was calling him at three in the morning because he would tell me, "Mom, we're gonna get to the hotel, the next hotel about 2:00 a.m. or 1:00 a.m." So I, I'm up, I'm on the phone, like, "Are you there yet? Are you there yet?" I, I got some backlash. I got more support than anything. But I, I realized that, um, and in moments like this, Louis, where the woman sometimes wants to just speak out, I have to stop and go, "Hold on. Is that gonna do what the highest good for everyone?" And I'm not saying watering down my conversation.

• 12:47Lisa Nichols?

  I have no desire on any level to water down my belief system, to water down my opinions. But I do have the desire to make the strongest impact. And so, you know, what you do sometimes isn't popular. But I never started doing transformational work or to be a transformationist to be popular. If I am any form of celebrity, if I am, it's a byproduct of doing, hopefully, good work in the world. But I'm not, I'm not doing things to be popular. I'm doing things to be impactful.

• 13:15Lewis Howes?

  Ooh, that's good. And for anyone listening who's...

• 13:20Lewis Howes?

  Maybe they're starting out, or maybe they're growing an audience of, you know, of some size, whether it's 10,000 followers to 100,000 to millions. What do you say to them about? Because at some point, they're gonna get pressure feedback about something that people don't like about them. What advice do you have for people who are leaders or want to be leaders? And with that type of leadership comes some type of following or fanship. What advice do you give to them for not allowing the pressure of your audience to dictate your decisions or make you feel bad about who you are?

• 13:55Lisa Nichols?

  Well, I'mma tell you what my grandmother told me. And she starts every statement with baby. Baby, other people's opinion of you ain't none of your business. So, and that doesn't mean you don't care, but it means you got one job. Do you? But you need to find out what does that look like and feel like on you? You are a unique, unrepeatable miracle. That's what you are. Unique, unrepeatable. And the moment you try to carbon copy somebody else, you gonna be a failure of yourself. And so find out who you are, what's your belief system? Speak to inspire, not to impress.

• 14:36Lisa Nichols?

  Like all day long, like speak to inspire and speak to disrupt, to disrupt for forward movement, forward moving conversations. Disrupt for forward moving mindset. Be willing to be unpopular at the cost, at the possibility that someone's gonna grow on the other side of it. See, my grandmother also says, and many people have heard me say this, your conviction and your convenience don't live on the same block. I was just talking to a beautiful group of coaches, all white, all looked like they were probably over 40, right? And this one gentleman said something beautiful to me. He said, Lisa, he said, I wanna talk to black people as a white man

• 15:19Lisa Nichols?

  because I'm afraid of finding out that the white people that have been in my life all my life might be racist. He said, I don't know what I'll do if I find that out. So I find myself wanting to talk to black people so that I don't find that out. I said, here is that moment when your conviction and your convenience don't live on the same block. You have to be willing to be in convenience with new information in order to have an impact on the future. When you live like that, all of a sudden, your, your mind is at the highest level of consciousness. Doesn't mean you're the smartest. Doesn't mean you know everything. Let me be super clear. But it does mean you're always reaching for the highest level of service.

• 16:04Lisa Nichols?

  That might come with some bumps.

• 16:07Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 16:07Lisa Nichols?

  That might come with some bruises. As my doctor said, when I broke my right ankle, Louis, in three places. He said, Ms. Nichols, this will get better and you will be stronger. However, it's going to hurt first because I have to re-break your leg.

• 16:22Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 16:23Lisa Nichols?

  I gotta re-break your leg in order to fix your leg. And so I, I always pull back to that experience because the, in order for me to get to a healed leg, I had to break it first. Meaning I had to walk through some pain. So if you are leading a group of ten, ten thousand, twenty thousand, ten million. Be willing to lead even when you're not popular. Leaders lead even when it's uncomfortable to lead. You don't choose convenient leadership. You choose leadership. You don't choose leadership that won't cost you anything. You choose leadership. And if you don't want it to cost you anything, then sit down and don't lead.

• 17:06Lewis Howes?

  Uh, be a follower.

• 17:08Lisa Nichols?

  Cause it's always, it's always, the path is already made. There's nothing wrong with that, by the way. There's no judgment on a follower. But if you choose this path, I'm a unicorn, I'm a gladiator, I'm a change agent. I'm here to, to disrupt. I want to make this world a better place between my birthday and my transition day. Okay, then be willing. Someone's always gonna have this. This little thing right here.

• 17:30Lewis Howes?

  It's down always.

• 17:31Lisa Nichols?

  This little thing right here, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Your job is to wake up, look in the mirror and say, today I am enough. I'm smart enough, I'm bright enough, I'm chocolate enough, I'm moca enough, I'm cream enough, my hair is curly enough, my hair is straight enough. I woke up enough. Before you check any response on social media.

• 17:54Lisa Nichols?

  You first like you and then everybody else's like is optional.

• 18:00Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 18:01Lisa Nichols?

  The first like and the only like, and I'm not saying disregard other people, but I am saying you are whole and complete and everything you touch, you have to touch it from a whole and complete, even what you don't know, even in your ignorance about something. Right now, I'm educating more of my white brothers and sisters about having conversations across color lines. How do you want to do that? What are some things to say that can keep you in that safety net of of connection? And that's what I should be used for. And that's what everyone's asking me. Give us some insight. And in that, you're whole and completing your ignorance about that conversation. That doesn't measure your wholeness.

• 18:39Lewis Howes?

  Right, right. And to follow up with that, uh, follower leadership, uh, point, I guess in some ways throughout our entire life, we're all following something or collaborating with and following someone else's opinion or advice or teamwork, and we're all leading other people at different stages of our life as well, whether it's one person or, you know, millions of people. So we're always got to learn. Um, I'm curious about this conviction convenience thing here. Because the last time it came on, you had a convenience in your life for a long time that you talked about, which was this weight. I think you actually called it a suit of some kind.

• 19:17Lisa Nichols?

  A jacket. It was my jacket.

• 19:19Lewis Howes?

  And, um, it was, it had convenience for you and it served you for certain areas of life, but then it held you back from reaching new levels of leadership, of joy, of happiness. I'm without assuming, but I'm, uh, you know.

• 19:31Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 19:32Lewis Howes?

  What is the area of your life that is convenient, that you need to step more into conviction to overcome that to get to the next level right now?

• 19:41Lisa Nichols?

  Right now? Oh, what a great question. Um. This is so funny cuz I would say, um, so I, I break my life up into four quadrants. And when I teach my students and, and I teach my, my coaches who's coaching. I say, break your students' life down up into four quadrants. Health and wellness, business and finance, relationships and spirituality. And then it's easier to chomp down. So when you asked me that question, I go to those four quadrants. And I go, okay, which one? How is that one doing? How is that one doing? How is that one doing? Um, and I can honestly tell you, this is gonna sound funny, but it's in my health and wellness still.

• 20:21Lewis Howes?

  Still?

• 20:22Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, it's in my health and wellness still, a very different conversation in that.

• 20:26Lewis Howes?

  Because you kept the weight off, right? I'm assuming.

• 20:28Lisa Nichols?

  I kept it off, yeah, I kept it off. It hasn't gone up and down, you know, um, uh, but I want my next level, you know, now I'm at my next level now. Um, I want, you know, Angela Bassett arms and I want Serena Williams abs now, you know? First, I just wanted to get this eighty-five pound jacket off my back, you know? I had another, now that it's off and now that I'm inside of a fitness journey, now that I'm inside, now I'm like, okay, hold on, is it possible? So I find myself watching a lot of videos of women over forty who are just like beasts, right? Like, oh my God, right? Cuz I go, can I get that? Um, and I, and, and the answer is yes, yes, and it's gonna cost you something, right?

• 21:12Lisa Nichols?

  And so, um, I, I, I'm, I'm excited cuz during the pandemic, you know, I, I, I, I began saying when the, when the quarantine happened, I said, who, who do you wanna say you were during this quarantine? Cuz we got about two months, three months, and on the other side of it, you have to say, when people say, what'd you do during the quarantine? You gotta answer them. So what'd you do during the quarantine? So I, I'm excited to say during the quarantine, I was a beast in my home gym. I created home bootleg gym. I was, I, I, I wish I had time. I, I, I'm gonna try to find it on my phone, but I took a broom. I took a, um, uh, uh, the, uh, stretch bands, you know, the bands. I took a resistant band and I took a broom.

• 21:57Lisa Nichols?

  And I I put the broom through both ends and I put the broom on my shoulders. And I was doing some squats with the resistance band, then I was doing curls uh curls with the broom. And the resistance band, then I took the the the Arizona iced tea big jug, I filled it with water. I filled another one and I was doing, uh, cause we couldn't get out at all to do to do weights and. I we took the uh the the the plates that go on top of your roof, the roofing, you know, those those big plates. We found some of those outside, I just moved into this house, so I didn't know what was in the house. I moved into a furnished house, I found the roofing outside, we stacked five roof five roof plates. And I would do five or four, I just got radical.

• 22:41Lisa Nichols?

  You know, and as a couple of stores opened up, I went and replaced them with real with real rate weights. And so that was, this is the first time since we met five years ago. That I've been so like on uh fitness training for toning and tightness and that next level. But one of the things that I realized, Louis, is that I had to honestly believe that I could get it. I had for so long, I just.

• 23:09Lewis Howes?

  Believe you could get what?

• 23:10Lisa Nichols?

  That body, that that that that that level of achievement that way, let me tell you why. Because sometimes you're trying to outrun misery. For a long time and all you know is I want to be out of that discomfort. And so for so long, nineteen years, I was I was overweight, right? And so for so long, I just didn't want to be fat. I just didn't, so I.

• 23:34Lewis Howes?

  Screw the abs, you just didn't want to be fat.

• 23:36Lisa Nichols?

  That's what I'm talking about, that's I I Serena Williams ass, I ain't even thinking about that, right? I just don't want to, you know, have a keg, forget a six pack. I'm trying not to have the keg, right? I'm trying not to have the double keg and so that that I that idea couldn't even enter, cause I was nowhere in there. So once I got down, I was just grateful to be down, so for the first two years, three years, I was. I was just in the, I'm not fat. I'm not fat. And then I, so, so, and I want you, if you're listening to me, to translate this into whatever it is for you. It could be the, "I'm not broke." So, you're not running towards something. You're just trying to outrun something else.

• 24:19Lisa Nichols?

  You know, some people say they want to be in love, but they're single forever. Well, a lot of people are single because they're trying to not be hurt again.

• 24:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 24:28Lisa Nichols?

  Come on, like, like, this. This translates to anything, relationships, health, wellness, finance. Like, if your energy is more on, you're, you're trying to not be something, then you can't pursue anything.

• 24:41Lewis Howes?

  In sports terminology, we, we say you're playing not to lose as opposed to playing to win.

• 24:45Lisa Nichols?

  Boom. Look, I was an athlete. I remember, like, you just trying not to lose. You ain't trying to win. You're not, you're trying not to be the loser. You're not trying to be the champion.

• 24:53Lewis Howes?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:54Lisa Nichols?

  Right, and so, I, for a long time, I was grateful for not being fat anymore. I was grateful. I was so shocked that I was in a size six. I was so shocked that I was in a size eight. I was just shocked. So, I couldn't pursue anything. I was just like, "Oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm just grateful that it's just real." And I knew I would never go back. I wasn't ever worried about gaining weight again.

• 25:13Lewis Howes?

  How do you, how do you determine that you're not going to go back? Or how did you set yourself up to make sure you never went back there? Because that's a 19-year habit, it sounded like, and a 19-year thought process that was a, around a belief system of, "Hey, I'm going to be this way, and it's not okay, but I'm, I'm living with it, and..."

• 25:30Lisa Nichols?

  So, I'm going to shock you and say it had nothing to do with managing my food, my intake, my movement. It had nothing to do with that. Nothing. Nothing. It was, I was done.

• 25:45Lewis Howes?

  You were sick and tired of being sick and tired?

• 25:46Lisa Nichols?

  I was done, because weight, you have to understand, I'm going to be very transparent with you. For me, everyone has a jacket. Some people have a jacket of their success. And it covers their need to be included, or it covers their, it gives them a sense of, of, of, of, of success. It, it, it, it proves something to someone else. It compensates for the fact that they don't express emotion. Right, whatever it is. We're all walking around managing perfect dysfunction. Let's just say that. There is no perfect. Pursuing perfect is a false pursuit that will always leave you disappointed. Right? And so, our job is to perfectly dance with our imperfection. Like, I've learned how to dance with my imperfection. I tell people, "Man, my imperfection, we would do the electric slide."

• 26:30Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 26:30Lisa Nichols?

  Because I'm embracing it. And so what I realized was my jacket, my weight. It wasn't me, but it was me. It was uh uh and I did it because a multitude of reasons and I'll be quite. Then I told you before, one, I have this personality. I've always had this personality. And I'm an alpha woman, so I got a personality that vibes with dudes and it vibes with women. And so I would go into an event and the guys and I would vibe together because I'm I'm not real friendly. I'm not gonna sit around talking about my nails. I'm not gonna talk about curl. I don't wanna talk about none of that. I'm not that chick. I wanna talk about.

• 27:05Lewis Howes?

  Trying to get results and impact.

• 27:07Lisa Nichols?

  Outcomes and results and investments and you know, and so I would vibe with the guys. And then with the ladies, I can, I can, I can laugh with you and I can, I can expand with you. And so I found that when I was smaller, early on, women would always side eye me and look. Because I had all this personality. My personality is big. So I gained the weight. Um because it gave me a false uh uh false win.

• 27:31Lisa Nichols?

  Listen to this. When I walked into a room at two hundred and ten, two hundred and fifteen pounds.

• 27:36Lewis Howes?

  Took up space.

• 27:37Lisa Nichols?

  I and I was still vibe with the guys, but the women wouldn't worry about anything, right? And so the other side to that was that with relationships. I had this amazing body, like, like my body is pretty much like it was then, but imagine twenty years ago. I had this Serena Williams body. And I also had this personality, so I would meet a lot of men. And always, always, because I was, I was at the front of the room on stage and I was doing, and so I would meet a room of five hundred. They would meet me. And I could never discern if someone wanted to get to know me or they were interested in all that package. And so I unconsciously eliminated the package unconsciously.

• 28:18Lisa Nichols?

  So that when I began to meet even men, that I they would go, you have a beautiful smile. You have beautiful eyes. Because my body had morphed into something that wasn't necessarily super crazy attractive. It's a false. I I I've started this part with we're all managing our dysfunction, remember? And we're all dealing with our perfect imperfection. It's your job, if you're listening to me, to find out what that thing is for you, that Band-Aid. So it was my Band-Aid. So it made women seem like they were less intimidated by me and it made men seem like they're more interested in my personality. It was a false win. That's called a Pyrrhic victory. Look it up. P H Y R R I C. A Pyrrhic victory. It's when you get the outcome that you wanted, but it cost you more than you needed to pay.

• 29:01Lewis Howes?

  Boom. And what?

• 29:04Lisa Nichols?

  Boom, boom.

• 29:07Lewis Howes?

  And what is the price you had to pay to get to a place of removing the Band-Aid and shedding the weight? And shedding the psychological, uh, you know, pains that you're holding on to that held you back from the next level?

• 29:20Lisa Nichols?

  Um, so if anyone can relate to me on this one, I just want you, whenever you see this, I just want you to blow up the chat box. Blow up the, any way you can reach out to us. I I realize, and if this is you, just let me know that I'm not by myself. And we like to use on my campus, Yana, Y A N A, meaning you are not alone. So y'all just Yana me, just let me know. You know, I'd already made millions when I lost the weight. I had already been on Oprah, Larry King, Steve Harvey. I'd already been on all that. I've already been international for years. I'd already written, I'd ar- I was on, I had six bestsellers, right? So I can't tell you that it stopped me from being any form of successful in the out, uh, in the external world. And I, I don't know.

• 30:05Lisa Nichols?

  I mean, like, like who's past Oprah, right? Like, I didn't know. What it cost me was who I knew myself to be in the dark of the night. That who I went to bed with when I went to bed by myself.

• 30:22Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 30:23Lisa Nichols?

  It cost me the fear of saying, if I die in this big body, I would have played myself short. It had nothing to do with you, Louis. It had nothing to do with the world. It had nothing to do with the secret. I felt like I'd already done everything I, I, I, I've been serving big. It had to do with, I dare me leave this planet and let myself down.

• 30:45Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 30:46Lisa Nichols?

  Like this. It was all me. It was before I die, for me, I want to see me the way I know myself to be.

• 30:55Lewis Howes?

  So this wasn't a look yourself in the mirror and ask myself, have I done enough with my skills and talents for the world? Because you were doing that. You were showing up every day, ten, twelve, sixteen hours, working hard, serving for twenty years. It was, am I gonna be happy with myself if I die right now?

• 31:12Lisa Nichols?

  Listen, can't nobody grind harder than Sister. If you grind equal with me, let's do it. But like Will Smith said when he was being interviewed once, you know what I'm talking about?

• 31:21Lewis Howes?

  I'm about to die on the treadmill.

• 31:23Lisa Nichols?

  I'm gonna die on the treadmill. I'm gonna die on the treadmill. So I had no wonder. There's no more time anybody can give. I was opening the doors and shutting the doors. I would turn the light on in the morning. I would turn it out at night. I promise you, no, it wasn't that. It was, I know that I can touch more of me for me, not for anybody else. I, I had no guilt if I left this planet and I had only done what I did, only my, I'm cool, I played full out for you. But I didn't play full out for me.

• 32:00Lewis Howes?

  Man, you knew that for twenty years. You knew that.

• 32:04Lisa Nichols?

  I didn't know it for twenty years because for the first seven or eight, I was getting the response I wanted. Women liked me. I didn't get that.

• 32:13Lewis Howes?

  Men liked you for your, your, your skills and your.

• 32:16Lisa Nichols?

  Well, women, women didn't feel intimidated by me. I, I went for years with women just kinda like, what's that, who she thinks she all at? And I was trying to make them like me, trying to dim my light so that my light wouldn't be too bright for anybody, right? But I didn't know I was doing it. And then in the relationships, I, I, you know, when women say there are no good men in the world, I say, I don't know where you been. I have dated some of the most amazing men on the planet. I just wasn't ready to get married, or they weren't ready. I was in this crazy journey called, I'm gonna touch the world. And they're like, woman, you running too fast for me, I gotta go. So, but I met amazing men, but I met them inside of that body. That body. And so, there was a false illusion of victory. Ya, you gotta hear what I'm saying, Louis.

• 33:00Lisa Nichols?

  Because so many of us, uh, so many, so many of us are living in that right now. These hollow victories. I mean, it's a hollow, it's called a Pyrrhic victory. P Y, P H Y R R I C, named after General Pyrrhus. When General Pyrrhus won two wars, he turned to one of his generals and said, "I can't afford to ever win again." And when his general said, "Why?" He said, "Because in winning these two wars, I've lost my best generals and my best friends. They're all dead."

• 33:28Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 33:29Lisa Nichols?

  And so, from that was derived the phrase "Pyrrhic victory." And a Pyrrhic victory is when the cost of the victory actually outweighs the victory itself. We see it in all the entertainers that we call successful. Then they commit suicide. Or all the people we call successful, and then they, they, they binge out, and they go on an alcohol bed, whatever that thing is. You see it in their lives. It also can happen in ours. So for me, my Pyrrhic victory was about ninety pounds. It gave me what I wanted, but the cost. So the cost for me was every time I looked at myself on video. And it's only, man, when, when your body is not the way you know it can be, and then you get popular,

• 34:12Lisa Nichols?

  and you get some form of celebrity, and everybody wants to take a picture with you, and then everybody wants to post a picture with you, of you, you get all these

• 34:21Lewis Howes?

  Reminders.

• 34:22Lisa Nichols?

  This is who you are. So I would dress it well. I would dress it in three hundred dollar shirts, and I would dress it, and I would bling it out. And then I just got tired of dressing it, bling it, compensated for it. I got tired. I said, "I'm done." And it was so crazy, because when I lost the weight, I stopped wearing big earrings, I stopped wearing big necklaces. I was like, "I don't wanna wear none of that stuff." And then it was like, whoa. All that was a part of the costume, so that you could feel comfortable with what you saw. So yeah, it was, it was a journey. And, and, and, and again, this is weight for me. Is it finances for you? Is it relationships? Is it being nice? A lot of people say yes. They say yes when they wanna say no, so they can be liked.

• 35:04Lewis Howes?

  I'm gonna ask, yeah, I'm gonna ask you an unpopular question.

• 35:09Lisa Nichols?

  Go for it.

• 35:09Lewis Howes?

  The self-love movement of loving yourself as who you are in this moment and accepting yourself for who you are. I truly believe that we need to accept ourselves, we need to accept our past, what we've been through. We can't hold on to pain forever and we can't hold on to the baggage of the past and we've got to accept where we are, but I'm always trying to improve where I'm at. And if I'm not fully happy with something, take a look in the mirror and ask myself, okay, what are the sacrifices, the prices I need to pay right now to see those improvements? It's going to take time and energy, you got to give something else up to get what I want. What are your thoughts on the self-love movement of, you know what, it doesn't matter if you're

• 35:52Lewis Howes?

  this or that, if you're broke, or if you're a hundred pounds overweight, or if you're sick, you know, just love yourself and it's all good. What are your thoughts on kind of that vibe?

• 36:02Lisa Nichols?

  Um, so I, I, I have a, I have a very clear opinion on it. I could not, I could not take Lisa to her next level of greatness in her body until I learn to just accept. I could not hate my body the way it was and then do good for my body.

• 36:21Lewis Howes?

  Ah, so you can't hate yourself and then do the work?

• 36:24Lisa Nichols?

  No, no, no. So I do, I do align with it. I do align with it, however, hold on, wait for it, wait for it, right? So, so number one, love, self-love is the soil. Self-love is the soil, so have your soil, but please, brother, sister, plant a daggone seed, then plant it and water it and give it some sunshine.

• 36:46Lewis Howes?

  Daily.

• 36:47Lisa Nichols?

  Something, daily. So trust, self-love is the soil in which you plant future contribution seeds in.

• 36:55Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 36:56Lisa Nichols?

  And then daily grind, hashtag the treadmill. Daily grind is the light and the water required to be of some use and some, some possibility for those of us witnessing your life.

• 37:11Lewis Howes?

  Ooh.

• 37:12Lisa Nichols?

  So don't mistake self-love with, don't mistake complacency with self-love.

• 37:17Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 37:18Lisa Nichols?

  So self-love says, I'm whole and complete and enough with where I start. But hold me accountable to where I'm going.

• 37:26Lewis Howes?

  Oh, so don't, don't stay where I'm at right now and just be okay with it forever. Be okay with where I'm at now, accepted, this is what I've gone through, this is my challenges, this is my story, this is my problem. Okay, now that I'm aware and I own the moment, what am I gonna do moving forward?

• 37:44Lisa Nichols?

  And I'm enough in this moment. However, however, shame on me if I'm here in five years.

• 37:50Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 37:51Lisa Nichols?

  Shame on me and shame on everyone around me who allows it. Who allowed me to, to, to do this sweet talking, this sugar sweet talking. Uh, whether it be self-love or whether it be, I'm just standing still. When The Secret came out, everybody was like, I'm gonna sit and wait and manifest my life. What are you gonna sit and manifest your life on that couch? You, all you gonna get is a big dent in that couch and now you mad at The Secret and mad at me. No, no, no, no, no. You, awareness, awareness plus action equals transformation. Please don't skip that plus action part because action is the antidote for despair, Joan Bia says. Action is the antidote. Anything that's not working in your life, you have to be in some form of action.

• 38:35Lisa Nichols?

  Not thought, not thoughting, not just thinking, not just talking, but action. So people get outthink, they're like, oh, I, I, I've really been working on this. What you been doing? I've been analyzing. No, you ain't been, you ain't worked.

• 38:46Lewis Howes?

  Strategizing, thinking.

• 38:48Lisa Nichols?

  Strategizing and communicating. Hold on. Action is the antidote for despair, Joan Bia says. Lisa Nichols says, action is the prescription for success. At the bottom line, self-love is the soil. Self-action is the path to progress and movement for you and those witnessing your life. And when you remember that your life doesn't just belong to you, that's, see, see.

• 39:14Lewis Howes?

  This is huge. What does this mean? Your life doesn't belong to you?

• 39:17Lisa Nichols?

  Man, man, man.

• 39:18Lewis Howes?

  This is huge.

• 39:20Lisa Nichols?

  Man.

• 39:20Lewis Howes?

  People need to bookmark this. They need to put it on repeat.

• 39:24Lisa Nichols?

  Man, let me just tell you, if my life just belonged to me and I, and I knew it to be so, I wouldn't have done half the things I've done with all the discomfort it brought me, with all the inconvenience it brought me.

• 39:36Lewis Howes?

  Donuts all day, ice cream all night.

• 39:38Lisa Nichols?

  All the period victories, all the time lost. I'm talking just about the time that I have, I have had to surrender, the chill time, the bubble bath time, the time that I've surrendered so that my life could be of contribution. Man, your life just doesn't belong to you. Your life belongs to those people who are going to cross your path. And because they crossed your path, not anybody else's, but because they crossed your path, you inspired them to wanna be a better person. You inspired them to wanna express love in the way that they hadn't thought before. You inspired them to look another man, another woman in the eye.

• 40:18Lisa Nichols?

  You inspired them to listen with open ears and an open heart because they crossed your path. Oh, your life doesn't just belong to you. You don't get to come in and leave without being responsible for those that you impact. And when you understand that, you're like, hold on, my life is, my life literally sends waves out into the universe. As a matter of fact, it sends waves to my cousins, it sends waves to my siblings, it sends waves to my lovers, it sends, it sends waves to the people around me and it impacts the way they choose to show up in the world. When you recognize that, then the question becomes, so what are you sending out? What are you doing with all your power? You're powerful, you're powerful.

• 41:03Lisa Nichols?

  And leaders don't get to forget their power. See, I'll tell you what, see, you don't get to have selective amnesia about the impact you have on the world. You are powerful, you are a unicorn, you are a gladiator, you are a change agent. And, and, and the more you own that, and then you do the healing required. See, I had to do the healing required to own that. Oh, that's, that's like a dichotomy. So a leader has to heal and a healer has to lead.

• 41:31Lewis Howes?

  What was the biggest thing you needed to heal and what do you still need to heal now?

• 41:37Lisa Nichols?

  So much.

• 41:40Lisa Nichols?

  No, I'm serious.

• 41:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 41:42Lisa Nichols?

  Um, I had to heal not feeling like I was um, good enough because uh, because of my moka skin, my full lips, my round hips and my curly hair. Um, feeling like, cause I felt the calling of my life to help humanity. But I didn't think that I was qualified as a black woman to help humanity. I, I, I didn't feel like I would be listened to by humanity. I thought black America would listen to me, but no one else. So when I see myself in Croatia and in Kazakhstan and in Kiev and in Ireland and in Kenya and in Dubai, I'm literally, I, whenever I go, I still go, wow.

• 42:27Lisa Nichols?

  Um, I, I needed to heal my image that um, because I struggled in school. Because I, I am to this day functionally dislike, functionally dyslexic. Um, because I, I didn't graduate college, that I wasn't qualified to be of any great impact. I could be a local, I can be of local impact to a bunch of little black kids. But I wouldn't be of local impact to black educators. I wouldn't be regional impact and I sure heck wouldn't be national impact. Who am I to think I could be international impact? Heck no. Little old me, South Central LA.

• 43:09Lisa Nichols?

  Harlem 30's, my neighbors, kicked out of college because of, I didn't have the money. I didn't think that. So I struggled with the, I am, I am the right person for this assignment. With all that I have and all that I think I should have had.

• 43:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 43:27Lisa Nichols?

  I'm the right person. I also struggled with feeling like people would love me forever. Meaning that I was worthy of long term. Like I would hear about people who have 25 year friendships and and I hadn't experienced that early in my career. People of my past were a part of my past. And this world of transformation was all these new people in it. You know, because it wasn't the climate, it wasn't the conversation that my friends were having. So I needed to find the people that were having the conversations like me, like you. I need to find the Jack Canfield's, I need to find the Marcy Scheimels, I need to find the Reverend Michael Beckwoods. I need to find, I need to find them, but I didn't know any of them a long time.

• 44:09Lisa Nichols?

  And so I began to miss, no one knows me, the, no one knows Lisa Chantay.

• 44:16Lewis Howes?

  The old me, yeah.

• 44:17Lisa Nichols?

  No one knows that.

• 44:19Lewis Howes?

  They know me in the last two years, yeah, yeah.

• 44:20Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, and then no one, no, there's no one there to, for my bridge, for my bridge. And so I begin to wonder, will I ever have, will I have long-term friends? Will I have long-term relationships? For a long time, that was a very silent worry of mine. Like, I want someone who just knows my history. They, I can leave the table. I would always say this to my friend, I want to leave the table. And if the waiter come, I want someone at the table to know what I eat. I go, it's just that simple. It was just that simple. And then I, um, I, I worried about love. Uh, as my career grew, I'm going to talk about the more successful Lisa.

• 45:00Lisa Nichols?

  As my career grew, uh, I began to feel like, um, it was harder to find someone that could hold my light without dimming my light. I need, I needed someone to be a container. For my light, without asking me to turn my light down.

• 45:21Lisa Nichols?

  And, um, that was, that was, uh, that was a, a long journey. Uh, I'm fifty-four years old, I'm proudly fifty-four years old. And I've just entered into the love of my life just two years ago.

• 45:35Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 45:36Lisa Nichols?

  And I'm grateful for every relationship that helped me get there. Every relationship gave me something, either gave me a gift or gave me a lesson.

• 45:45Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 45:46Lisa Nichols?

  And I'm grateful for them. And I, I, I would never do, I would never do this, but I'm one of those weird people that I think it's an anomaly what, what can be done. I could throw a party and literally invite my former relationships and they would all come and we would have a great time.

• 46:01Lewis Howes?

  That is something to be said for, right?

• 46:04Lisa Nichols?

  That's how clean they are. That's how

• 46:07Lewis Howes?

  I wish I, I wish I could say that about my, the past relationships I was in. I would like to, I would like to be in that space, but I would think they want to see me.

• 46:14Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how clean I left them. Because one of the things that I made sure is that we left the relationship leaving each other's dignity intact.

• 46:22Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, that's nice.

• 46:23Lisa Nichols?

  And that was a priority for me. And so in the onset of the relationship, I'd say, I don't see an end to this. Like, I would love for this to last, and if it doesn't, can we make a commitment to honor one another's dignity and leave our dignity intact? Because we may not be, we may be Mr. and Mrs. Right for each other, or we may be Mr. and Mrs. Right Now for each other. And either is perfect. And so I opened it up with that. And so, literally, literally, if I, if I had a party, my girlfriends all want me to. I'm like, no, I'm not doing that. Um, but, uh, but that, so that was a, that was a thing. And, um, and then the last, the last thing I'd have to say, because I struggle, was between my love of my child and the love of my career.

• 47:03Lewis Howes?

  That was a fear?

• 47:05Lisa Nichols?

  That was a, that was a pull. I felt like I, I didn't know, no one ever said they had both. Everyone talked about they having to choose. Everyone talks about having to choose between my career, my family. Everyone talks about being out of balance. And so I adopted it. And so I started with a fear that somehow my son would suffer because I was living my dream. Or somehow my dream would suffer because I'm a mother.

• 47:31Lisa Nichols?

  And so, um, my son, uh, my son at 18, remember, I don't know if you remember, they had the phones where you can put your, your, your F5 in the phone?

• 47:41Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:42Lisa Nichols?

  Early on. And my son, when he was 18 or 17, he was talking to his cousins on the F5. And we have a very close-knit family, and my cousins, my, his, my nephew said, why, why I'm not in your F5? Why you only, why, why I'm not in your F5? And, and my son said, I don't have room. And he goes, show me your F5, man. Show me your F5. And I could hear them in the background, and, and he's showing my nephew his F5, and I can hear my nephew go, dude, your mom? What is that about? And he goes, we cool like that. My son said, we're cool like, we're cool like that. And I, I, I, it was my first sign that I didn't have to choose. That I made them both work. And so, anyway, you asked the question.

• 48:27Lisa Nichols?

  What, what were the things? Those were the three things that I struggle with.

• 48:30Lewis Howes?

  That's, that's beautiful. And is there a big struggle right now? Besides the health? Is there like a psychological or a belief that you're still limited? Or have some limiting beliefs around?

• 48:43Lewis Howes?

  Or is it just all timing? It's just like, you know, it's all happening. It's just going to take the time it takes and.

• 48:48Lisa Nichols?

  No, I mean, I really want to find an answer for you because I believe that when people are on a platform of leadership and, and we, I'm not saying I'm a superhero at all, but sometimes people tend to give us a cape. I believe it's important for you to understand what we're still working with. So I want to work hard to find something for you. You know, I, I believe that everyone, the person looking at me and looking at you right now, they, they deserve that.

• 49:14Lisa Nichols?

  There's no arrival place for me. I, I, I am a constant stream of, of motion and acceptance and growth. And now, um, I, I, I said 17 years ago, Louis, I want to live on white sand beaches and I want to have blue clear water 17 years ago.

• 49:35Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 49:36Lisa Nichols?

  With no indication of how I would get there, with no indication that it would happen. And so when this occurred, this was the day I moved, the day I pulled my truck up to the house. We just walked right across the street and took a picture. And I've lived there now for, um, six months. And I would just watch the water out of my window. But I didn't give myself permission to go in the water.

• 50:07Lewis Howes?

  Why not?

• 50:08Lisa Nichols?

  You, you asked me what I'm still working on.

• 50:12Lisa Nichols?

  You asked what I was still working on. I'm still working on this. And so I begin to process myself. Why are you not, you can't get any closer? You can't.

• 50:21Lewis Howes?

  You're thirty feet away, yeah.

• 50:22Lisa Nichols?

  And, oh, by the way, and you're on quarantine. So ain't nothing happening. Like, the beach is empty, it's quiet, you don't.

• 50:31Lewis Howes?

  No one's gonna look at you, no one's judging you, no one's.

• 50:33Lisa Nichols?

  You, you can wear your bathing suit, you can even wear your two piece, right? So, so, um, I, I start processing, what is going on? Why? And I realize that I, and I'm looking for another picture, I've traveled all around the world. Right? I've been on every continent that can be populated by humans. Right? Right? I mean, like, and then I realize that a lot of times I'm at resorts and I don't get in the water. Right? I just, I just went, I was once in, in Jamaica and I was in the presidential suite. It was mind blowing. It was, it was probably

• 51:17Lisa Nichols?

  five thousand square feet of space at the top of this hotel. And on my balcony, it had a, it had, they, uh, there was a, um, jacuzzi on my balcony. And if you look out onto the beach, you would see this cabana bed ledge that walked out into the water and then a cabana bed sitting out in the water. And I would look at it every day, like, wow, that bed is amazing. Wow, that bed is.

• 51:42Lewis Howes?

  You wanna lay in it?

• 51:43Lisa Nichols?

  I never went down to the bed, but I wanted to lay in the bed, but I only looked at the bed from the, uh, from the balcony. That bed is amazing. Get this. The last day, three hours before I'm to leave for the airport. I go down, I walk on the beach.

• 52:05Lisa Nichols?

  I walk to the cabana bed. I just wanna see it up close. There's a sign at the edge of the cabana bed. It says, this space reserved for Lisa Nichols.

• 52:17Lewis Howes?

  Shut up. Did not say that.

• 52:21Lisa Nichols?

  It came with the presidential suite.

• 52:24Lewis Howes?

  Oh, the whole time it was yours.

• 52:26Lisa Nichols?

  The whole time, and I never got in it.

• 52:30Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man.

• 52:31Lisa Nichols?

  Because I assumed from the balcony, it couldn't be for me. And so on my birthday in May, I finally gave myself permission to go and get in the water.

• 52:45Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 52:47Lisa Nichols?

  It was a liberating day.

• 52:48Lewis Howes?

  Wow. Wow.

• 52:53Lisa Nichols?

  And the reason why I realized I wasn't in the.

• 52:56Lewis Howes?

  Four months later.

• 52:58Lisa Nichols?

  The reason why is because I, the fact that I had this life had already blown my mind. And I didn't know, could I participate? Cause I've always watched other people on TV who didn't look like me, who didn't come from my neighborhood, who maybe wasn't dyslexic, who surely didn't get kicked out of college. So I began to go, I unconsciously, Louis, still working, you asked me, am I still working on stuff? I'm gonna be honest with you, please y'all don't judge me, we all working on our, our, our stuff. That's still when I bought the house, moved to the Bahamas, got the great family, did the work. I still go, oh, you get to get in the water.

• 53:41Lisa Nichols?

  Now, get in the water is my story, what's yours? So I talked my family, my bonus family into getting in the water with me, I just got a show to you.

• 53:49Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 53:50Lisa Nichols?

  In the water too.

• 53:52Lewis Howes?

  Wow, what a beautiful family.

• 53:53Lisa Nichols?

  My bonus kids and my man.

• 53:55Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 53:55Lisa Nichols?

  So, um, so I'm, I'm still working to now, I worked hard to get here. And now it's to, to take it in and enjoy it.

• 54:06Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 54:07Lisa Nichols?

  That's my, that's my work.

• 54:09Lewis Howes?

  This is, this is powerful and I had a question for you about this and you know. We're like brother and sister because I'm a function. I love how you called functional dyslexic because that's how I am as well. And I was in the bottom of my class all through school and no matter how many tutors I had and

• 54:25Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, I get it.

• 54:26Lewis Howes?

  It was just graduating high school was a huge success for me.

• 54:29Lisa Nichols?

  My brother, my other mother.

• 54:31Lewis Howes?

  Exactly. And you talk about, you know, I'm hearing you talk about owning your, how you feel and finding your joy. And a lot of people, I do this as well, and a lot of people do this where we,

• 54:45Lewis Howes?

  we have a lot of good things happen, but then we don't celebrate it because we know other people are suffering or are struggling. And then we have bad things happen and we say, oh, but other people have it worse. And so I should be grateful for what I have. This comparative joy and comparative suffering. How do we own the moment, you know, it's quarantine. Who cares if everything is working well for you and the world is crumbling? Like, should we own it or be embarrassed by our success?

• 55:15Lisa Nichols?

  Right.

• 55:15Lewis Howes?

  And when things are horrible, should we own it and, you know, be in our suffering? Or say, you know what? We have a lot of things to be grateful for. What do you think about this?

• 55:24Lisa Nichols?

  So I love Benjamin Franklin's statement. He says, comparison is and will always be the thief of all your joy. So that's number one, that, that when you have a false sense of worth because you're stepping on someone else's breakdown, like, oh, I'm better than you. That's a false sense of worth. Or when you are minimizing your greatness because someone is greater. My girlfriend, Suzie, has this great story. She talks about she and her girlfriends were on a yacht in San Diego. And they got their martinis, they got their glasses, the sunshine and music's going in there on there. I don't know. They're 55 foot yacht, right? And it's nice. And, and they're sailing through San Diego. She said, and she had her shades on laying back and all of a sudden this shadow comes over her, her face.

• 56:08Lisa Nichols?

  And she opens her eyes to this 155 foot yacht. And the ladies up there, and the ladies up there drinking, and she kind of looks down and goes, hello, and she said she felt one hundred percent complete and whole and happy until that yacht came.

• 56:26Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 56:26Lisa Nichols?

  And she says, the woman didn't try to take her joy, she handed her joy to that woman, right? And so comparison will always steal your joy one way or another. The false, the false, the false sense of grandizing you on someone else's neck. I always say, can you be as tall as you need to be without standing on my neck? Like, can you do me that favor? Can you stand in your greatness without standing on my neck, right? And so that's that, that's every time you say, well, we not as bad as such and so, you just put your foot on someone's neck to stand just a little bit taller, right? And so, and then the other part to that, so when you're feeling great and when you're feeling joyful, what I like to do is I like to show awareness.

• 57:10Lisa Nichols?

  I want a hundred percent of my joy, I want a hundred percent of my bliss. I want to be able to share it, but I want to share it with awareness. So to me, that's one of the things.

• 57:21Lewis Howes?

  What does that mean with awareness?

• 57:23Lisa Nichols?

  Right, I'll give you an example. So listen, I'm a C student, so I'm always gonna give examples.

• 57:27Lewis Howes?

  Hey, I'm gonna compare myself to you, you're better than me.

• 57:30Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I will always give examples because I needed examples when I was a student. So, so it looks like this.

• 57:39Lisa Nichols?

  Not everyone is having the same experience that I'm having, and I, and I honor that and I celebrate that. And I want to celebrate the fact that right now I'm in the most fulfilling relationship I've ever experienced. I want to celebrate the fact that I, I found love in a way that I never even knew love existed. And I understand everyone is in a different place and I honor that. I just wanted to give light and celebrate where I am right now. And so it's compassionate, compassionate celebration, right? So if you can celebrate with compassion, I don't want to minimize my light. I don't want to dim my light. I don't want to turn my light down. I don't want to walk in a room and go, hold on, let me turn my light down because your light isn't bright. No, that's my light.

• 58:24Lisa Nichols?

  I want to bring it in the room, but I want to honor you. And I want to, I want to acknowledge your light may not be the same wattage as mine. And so it looks like that, like everyone's in different places right now. I just want to celebrate where I am. I want to, I want, I want to expose it. I want to, I want to say it out loud. And, and so you do that. The other side is when life is hard and life is, you know, it's, it's hitting you. Um.

• 58:48Lewis Howes?

  You've lost all your money, you're going through divorce, you're.

• 58:51Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:51Lewis Howes?

  Weight in two weeks and, you know, everything's down.

• 58:54Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, so I think, one, you got to watch out because you, because you could be a dark light vortex. So you come in and you shine your dark light. You pull everyone into your dark light and all of a sudden everyone's swirling with you. I go, watch out, watch out, make sure your swirl is not the toilet bowl. Like make sure so you're not swirling with someone inside misery. And so there's a responsibility. And, and to me, I, I, I, I sandwich ugly stuff. I sandwich the ugly. I'll do the sandwich effect. I don't have a better name for it, do the sandwich effect. I grew up on sandwiches as a child, so sandwich effect. Sandwich ugly with possibility. This is how it sounds. It's not going to always be this way.

• 59:41Lisa Nichols?

  But right now I feel like I'm in the darkest place ever. I feel miserable, I feel angry, I feel lonely, I feel frustrated. I'm always feeling like I want to scream. And I know that I am not taking out real estate in this location.

• 59:58Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 59:59Lisa Nichols?

  I know.

• 1:00:00Lewis Howes?

  You're just renting it.

• 1:00:01Lisa Nichols?

  I know that this is a rent and not even a rent to own, that if this is a stop sign, I'm gonna do a rolling stop. I don't even wanna fully stop here.

• 1:00:09Lewis Howes?

  Give me the ticket on the way.

• 1:00:11Lisa Nichols?

  Man, but I, that, I, sometimes I left my door buying the ticket. I'm gonna buy, I'm gonna get a ticket, I'm alright with it. And so you sandwich it. If you gotta share hard news, I was just on the interview just now, I told you, all white leaders, and they said, "Teach us." And I said, "Okay, I'm gonna share some news." First, I want you to know that we are going to get through this, that we are going to be a better human race because of this, that you are to be celebrated because you signed up for this call. Now, this might hurt a little bit. And then I gave them insight, and then on the back end, I said, "I'm honored to sit here with you as your sister. I'm honored to co-create what a future looks like. I'm honored to be on the planet at the same time as you. This is the

• 1:00:56Lisa Nichols?

  beginning, not the end. More to come."

• 1:00:58Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:00:59Lisa Nichols?

  Sandwich, right? So if you're gonna deliver some dark energy, put it in a sandwich, make sure you sandwich you a possibility, even if you don't know what the possibility is, just say, "I know there's better to come. It's my birthright. It's my birthright to have joy. It's my birthright to have abundance. It's my birthright to experience healthy love. That's my birthright. Right now, I'm not having that experience, but I'm gonna hold on to the fact that it's my birthright."

• 1:01:26Lewis Howes?

  How do we remind ourselves and actually believe in abundance for ourselves when all the evidence points in the other direction of scarcity, lack of, lack, not worthy of, like, how do you convince yourself? How do you trick yourself? How do you, you know, is this a, a hack? Is this, okay, I say this in front of the mirror every day, but I'm not making any money and I'm still...

• 1:01:48Lisa Nichols?

  Right, right, right. Um, so I'm gonna be honest with you, for me, it's a part of a spiritual practice.

• 1:01:53Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:01:53Lisa Nichols?

  It's a part of understanding that your mind can't contain all the things that are happening in the universe right now. Like, and if you think that all that's happening in the universe is happening between your ears and you understand it, then that's a very ego-centered and a very limited universe, right? And so, my faith, that's number one, my faith, faith is, you know, having, you know, having faith in what you can't see. Right? So, I'm not looking at all the physical evidence. I'm not looking at that. Because physical evidence is just a manifestation of people's decisions. So, people are helping that. There is a whole universe conspiring on my behalf that I do good. I believe in good. I want to bring good. So, the universe is setting things up to support me

• 1:02:37Lisa Nichols?

  because I'm operating in alliance with the calling of my life. That's what I know, like I know, like I know. I'm not asking for permission to believe that. I'm not asking for the way my day is going to confirm that. See, I woke up with that awareness and then my day started. So, you have to, there has to be a part of you that's not triggered by what's happening. There has to be a part of you that's sitting in the what you know. I know, like I know, like I know, like I know. I'm not asking for permission to be used in this universe. I'm letting you know I'm going to be used in the universe for the highest good. Now, today is a bad day, but I'm going to be used for the highest good. You gotta stand on that. You gotta let your knowing be like a pole that goes through the center of your head, Lewis,

• 1:03:19Lisa Nichols?

  all the way down through the center of your body, all the way down to the center of the earth. And no matter what happens, riots and outbreaks and, and, and quarantines and pandemics, you still gotta say, "Hold on, this is impacting my life experience, it's not impacting my life purpose."

• 1:03:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:41Lisa Nichols?

  So, when you operate like that, then you stop reacting.

• 1:03:50Lisa Nichols?

  And your emotions are not in a reaction state. Your emotions are in a, okay, that came, okay, how do we operate with it? Okay, that came, and you'll still spin out. Like I spun, I, I, when they told me I couldn't get on the plane. I, I, I was like, okay, hold on. But then I begin to search for my grounding.

• 1:04:08Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:04:10Lisa Nichols?

  I begin to search for my center. I begin to search for my calm. And so you have to know where to find those things and how to go back and get them. You have a right to be upset, to be scared, to be frustrated, to be angry. You got a right to feel all those feelings. Please feel them, so you know what they feel like. What you don't have permission to do if you say you're a leader, a unicorn, a change maker, is to take up real estate in that feeling. To do a lease option buy. What you, what you don't get to do is stay in that state of emotion that moves you out of, out of being impactful. And so, um, it's, it's an ongoing process.

• 1:04:46Lewis Howes?

  Why do you think it's easier for people to stay in? I guess what's the, the terminology is like misery loves company. Why is misery easier to stay in than growth? Uh, you know, uh, achievement, uh, you know, consistency of positive things? Why do you think that is?

• 1:05:04Lisa Nichols?

  Because low vibration is the first vibration that if you're walking on stairs and it was fifteen flights of stairs and you saw a party on the fifth flight and no one's at the fifteenth flight, you're like, why isn't no one at the fifteenth flight? Because the fifth flight was easier to get to.

• 1:05:18Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:19Lisa Nichols?

  It requires less work. It, it drains your energy. It drains more energy but requires less work to think on a low vibration.

• 1:05:27Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:05:28Lisa Nichols?

  Every single one of us that are in a forward-moving conversation right now, didn't land there accidentally. So you can slip into toxic conversation. You can do nothing and be average. You can do nothing and be average. This, that's why it's crowded. I, I, I'm not judging anybody, but average is crowded because it's, it's level one. There's no elevator required, there's no stairs required. It's level one, there's no, average, right? And so, toxic thinking and, and, and, and, and non-growth thinking.

• 1:05:57Lewis Howes?

  Gossip and.

• 1:05:58Lisa Nichols?

  Right, gossip and, and hating and, and, and, and, and just gurt, just constantly reliving and re, putting new energy into anger.

• 1:06:09Lisa Nichols?

  That's at a lower level. Think of those of us who are about forward moving conversations. We have to climb. I had to be quiet for ten days, Louis.

• 1:06:18Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 1:06:18Lisa Nichols?

  I had to be quiet. Do you understand the challenge of that?

• 1:06:23Lewis Howes?

  When you leave, so yes, I understand.

• 1:06:25Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, I had to be quiet for ten days. And then when I did my first Facebook Live, and if you go back in my mail, you'll see it. I went back and did my first Facebook Live. I've never cried. I've never cried on Facebook like that. I've never cried. I've cried on stage like that, but I've never. I had so much emotion, but I had already made my way to conscious thinking.

• 1:06:46Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:06:47Lisa Nichols?

  And now I gave myself permission to speak. And even at that, I felt, I felt the pull. I felt the pull pulling me back into. Woo.

• 1:06:58Lewis Howes?

  I can level one.

• 1:06:59Lisa Nichols?

  Man, and I just kept going, no, no, no, no, not on my watch.

• 1:07:02Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:07:03Lisa Nichols?

  No, no, no, hold on, not on my watch, hold on. But when I tell you on my ankles on that first Facebook Live that I did on my.

• 1:07:10Lewis Howes?

  All the comments, the negative comments are this.

• 1:07:12Lisa Nichols?

  All the negative comments, all the judgment, all the, all the hurt, all the fear that I had for my son and just angry that I'm still fearful for my son to drive. And so all of that, all of that was coming up. And so you ask, why do people do it? Because it requires less work. Um, uh, it, and, and we do it in, we're, we're, we're communal people. So we love to do things and we love to get people to co-sign with us. And, and negative thinking is cancerous.

• 1:07:43Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:43Lisa Nichols?

  Uh, and so it, it spreads effortlessly. If you do nothing to cancer, it's going to spread, right? But, but if you do nothing with positive thinking, it doesn't spread. You have to get up and shovel and scoop and plant and pull up the weeds and plant new seeds and get the water and water it. You gotta do all this stuff for positive. So, yeah, people decide, I'm gonna hang out here in the negative world. And then. They watch successful people and wonder, why can't I have that?

• 1:08:19Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:08:20Lisa Nichols?

  Well, let me just tell you something, your mindset is birthing your life experience. You cannot have a life in a castle with a mindset in the doghouse.

• 1:08:31Lewis Howes?

  Oh dang, that's the truth right there Lisa.

• 1:08:36Lisa Nichols?

  You can't, you can't have a life, I wanna, I wanna have a life.

• 1:08:39Lewis Howes?

  Say that one more time, you can't have a what?

• 1:08:41Lisa Nichols?

  You can't have a life in the castle with a mindset in the doghouse, in the dog pound, like you, you, right, you can't, you, you, it's incongruent, you incongruent. When the tongue in your mouth and the tongue in your shoe are going in two different directions, you ain't going nowhere. When you align.

• 1:09:02Lewis Howes?

  Pull it, yeah.

• 1:09:03Lisa Nichols?

  When you align the tongue in your mouth to go in the same direction as the tongue in your shoe, now we can move.

• 1:09:10Lewis Howes?

  How important is the thoughts that you say in your mind quietly every day? And the words you speak out loud every day? How important are they? Together and which one is more valuable if you could only choose one? Negative thoughts but positive words?

• 1:09:31Lewis Howes?

  Positive thoughts but negative words? Or do they both need to be in alignment towards your mission and purpose?

• 1:09:36Lisa Nichols?

  I'll start with this, your life is a physical manifestation of the conversation going on in your head. I'm gonna start with that.

• 1:09:44Lewis Howes?

  Can we just speak for like 24 hours on this? I love this.

• 1:09:47Lisa Nichols?

  Right, your life is a physical manifestation of the conversation going on in your head. So if you said nothing but thought everything, your life is gonna show up to make your thoughts true. So you have one job, you have one job in your life for you. To make what you think about life true, so that you're not wrong. You don't wanna walk around wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You wanna be right about the life you see. So you're going to work hard, work hard to produce the life that you talk about in your mind. Whether that life is no one loves me. I'm all alone. You can be in a group of people and you will think, I'm so alone. And, and, and you will feel alone and things will show up to cosign your loneliness.

• 1:10:29Lisa Nichols?

  Just because you're looking for that. And so, um, if you start with, I'm gonna say the mind, like the mind is that thing. The mind is the core engine. It starts all things. It shuts all things down. When I start thinking something different, I'm like, hold on, stop. I wanna think something, I shut down that behavior. I shut down that outcome. When I birth something, I birth it in my mind. I focus on my mind. I see myself there in my mind. Before I got on with you, I was doing guided visualizations. I'm recording them. So people, and I, and I mean, they're juicy. And I'm saying, see yourself here. Because if you can see it, and then the, the, the key is evoke the emotion. As if you were there.

• 1:11:12Lewis Howes?

  Yup.

• 1:11:13Lisa Nichols?

  Right? And that's why people are, who are sad all the time are sad. Because they're thinking of things that make them sad. And then the emotion follows the thought. So I'm gonna say, everything starts with your thought, Louis. But let me just say this. When you speak, you speak your future into the world. You speak your future. Whatever you say, whatever falls off your tongue. When, when you say, I am, right? The unconscious mind says, and you are so. Whatever comes on the other side of that. And so you, you, you asked me a hard question. Which one is most important? It starts with the thought. I think the thought is that, that's where everything originates. And then you add a whole lot of turbo boost to it with your tongue.

• 1:11:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:58Lisa Nichols?

  When you align the two, and then you add to it, like the B12, the B12 of action. Action is like, action is like, that's the nitro, that's the nitro, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, right? And I see so many people, they think it, they write it, they journal it, they talk about it, and they do no action. And I go, you understand that the action is, that, that's like, that's like putting the, the flower in the sun, because it requires sun. And so, yeah.

• 1:12:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, I had, this is a beautiful explanation. And I had a Navy SEAL on, uh, six, seven months ago. His name's Chad, and he... He talked about as a seal, uh, he, he used the tongue as a rudder in a boat. He said, what you speak is going to lead you down, you know, the ocean or the river or wherever on the boat you're on. And so he never says anything negative out loud because it's so powerful in the Navy SEALs. He talked about how powerful it is, no matter how much pain they're experiencing in hell week and all this stuff they're dealing with. They never allow the tongue to speak something negative, otherwise they'll ultimately quit and give up.

• 1:13:06Lisa Nichols?

  Right, right, right, right, right.

• 1:13:07Lewis Howes?

  It's too painful to deal with what they deal with.

• 1:13:10Lisa Nichols?

  Right.

• 1:13:10Lewis Howes?

  To then say, ah, I'm hurting, I'm tired, ah, I can't do it.

• 1:13:15Lisa Nichols?

  Right, right. Don't, don't, don't speak that. Don't speak that into the, you just, because whatever you speak, feels like it expands.

• 1:13:21Lewis Howes?

  Of course.

• 1:13:22Lisa Nichols?

  Right. Energy grows where energy goes. It expands. So speak life, speak possibility. There is not one dark situation that doesn't have a glimmer of light. It doesn't mean it's going to be convenient to see.

• 1:13:35Lewis Howes?

  That's true.

• 1:13:35Lisa Nichols?

  And most of us are looking for convenient light.

• 1:13:38Lewis Howes?

  Yes. Oh, man, I want to speak for like five more hours with you, but I, I want to, I want to try to finish with a few final questions here.

• 1:13:45Lisa Nichols?

  Yes.

• 1:13:45Lewis Howes?

  Even though I don't want to finish this.

• 1:13:47Lisa Nichols?

  Let's just do this again sometime sometime. Again, I promise it won't be as, as challenging to get me in the future. I promise, my friend.

• 1:13:55Lewis Howes?

  I, I want to talk about, uh, for a moment, purpose, because I feel like right now we're seeing a lot of people with scattered purposes, especially with everything that's happening in the world over the last three months, six months. I'm seeing so many big influencers go through divorce who were publicly had great relationships. I'm seeing people's businesses go under because of, they were in the events business or whatever, and they weren't able to adapt and shift. I'm seeing, uh, people scattered with their purpose and unclear.

• 1:14:27Lisa Nichols?

  Right.

• 1:14:28Lewis Howes?

  How can people? Let's speak to this because I think it's two different questions. One is how to truly figure out what your purpose is because I think it's seasonal. You know, what your purpose was when you were 10 is different now.

• 1:14:39Lisa Nichols?

  I agree.

• 1:14:40Lewis Howes?

  It's seasonal, so it's hard for, it's a very broad question and I don't want to set you up with that. Uh, because I think it's unfair when people ask you that for me. But if you know, if you think I know what my purpose is, like I know I'm meant to go do this thing. I thi- I think I'm supposed to go after this. I feel like maybe I should try this thing, but I'm afraid.

• 1:15:01Lewis Howes?

  How do you, how would you coach someone who knows what they're supposed to do? Or at least they think they do until they figure it out and it's not it or it is it? How do you coach people or encourage people to actually do it? To actually overcome that final hurdle of fear, whether they're afraid of failure, afraid of success, afraid of judgment? Whether they've got a really good life and a really good job, but it's just not there. It's not pulling them to their ultimate purpose. Where do you, where do you share in that line?

• 1:15:30Lisa Nichols?

  So, um, one of the first things I do is I ask them to please, let's quantify and give life to what does it cost you to stay still? So, you know, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a straight no chaser kind of girl, right? I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm, we're not just going towards something. We also have to realize that to the same degree that you asked the weight loss. Uh, why did I do it? I, because what would it cost me with all my success? What would it have cost me to stay in that 220 pound body? What's the cost? And so when I saw that, that's why I responded. I, if I, if I didn't give myself this, right? I was very clear with the cost.

• 1:16:13Lisa Nichols?

  So number one, I, I would say, what does it cost you? And I, and my students know me, I do this in my, in my workshop, my trainings for my, my, my platinum level students and my coaches and students that are getting certified to be a Lisa Nichols, uh, trainer. And I, I ask them hard questions. What does it cost you to stay in that mindset? And they have to list it. And I say, and what part of the price have you already paid? And they just get visceral, they're like, ah. And I say, so how long? I don't know, whatever you want, how much longer do you want to pay that price?

• 1:16:45Lewis Howes?

  Right. Two years, 10 years, two months?

• 1:16:48Lisa Nichols?

  Are, are we P I F? Are we paid in full now? Are we P I F?

• 1:16:54Lewis Howes?

  I paid it full and I'm keep paying.

• 1:16:56Lisa Nichols?

  Exactly, and so I use this metaphor that if you went to the store and bought a dozen eggs and you went home and you scrambled all the eggs and you cooked the eggs and then you took the empty carton back to the grocery store and you said, "I'd like to buy these again." The cashier will go, "But you already bought them. Why are you buying, why are you paying for it again?" That's what we're doing. We're paying for the same behavior over and over again. And so, one, get clear that you're P I F, that you're paid in full for not being in action. Like, I've already paid it. I've been three years of wanting a dream and not have, whatever your reasons are, right? Number two is, let's talk about everything that happens if you fail. Let's just unpack that.

• 1:17:38Lewis Howes?

  You go back to where you're at now. Yeah.

• 1:17:40Lisa Nichols?

  Right. Actually, you never are back to where you are now because now you've got some kind of lesson that you didn't have.

• 1:17:45Lewis Howes?

  Experience, yeah.

• 1:17:46Lisa Nichols?

  Right, you've got some kind of experience. So, what happens if you fail? Okay, great. So what lessons can we pull out of that? So now, let's agree to if we fail, let's fail forward. So then, let's define what does failing forward look like? So then, we get very descriptive on what does failing forward look like? What will I do with the lessons? What will I, I'll document four to six things I did right.

• 1:18:10Lisa Nichols?

  And I'll document two to three things that I can improve upon and I'll implement them all on the next go-round. So then, we take out all the possibility. And I even go as far as saying, "So what if people judge you?" I unpack it. What if people judge you? Let's say they, like, they talk really bad about you on social media for like, uh, three days. Like, it goes a while. Well, then what happens? Well, on the sixth day, I get up and do it again. So all of a sudden, I take all the, all the juice out of the, out of the, out of the balloon of, we just deep dive into the darkness of your illusions. Deep dive into the darkness of your mind. So like, what? Okay, well, I'll lose this money. Okay, you lost how much? Forty thousand. Okay, all forty thousand gone. So now what?

• 1:18:53Lisa Nichols?

  I don't know. Okay, well, let's, let's, let's figure out a plan because you already lost the money. We lost the money. Let's, let's, now I can start saving again, or I can do whatever. Okay, great. So then every, all these big possibilities are now just situations. Then I go to, so what can we do to eliminate the possibility of that occurring? So now we go into strategy. So I'm real big on strategy. I'm real big on milestones. I believe that you should not set a macro goal without setting several micro goals. So I live in micro goals, like my number that I want to generate this year. I don't ever look at that after, after November of the year prior. After November twenty nineteen, I don't really look at it. I look at every monthly goal because that's my milestone.

• 1:19:37Lisa Nichols?

  I know that goal and I know that goal is tied into my annual goal. So I don't have to worry about it. So I'm seeing if I'm on track, on track, on track. Because I can handle that. That's palatable, right? So then a lot of times entrepreneurs set like, like big bodacious goal. And you have a release of endorphins when you first set it, but then it goes away. Because you don't even know how you're gonna get there.

• 1:19:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:59Lisa Nichols?

  And so I'm real big on my, like just on my campus, I, I'm real big on three things. A strategy, right? Milestones and accountability. By when dates, by when, by who, right? And so make it doable, make it so you could see it. Set it up in ninety days. And so I think that purpose comes with a plan.

• 1:20:20Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 1:20:20Lisa Nichols?

  And oftentimes we live, we leave, leave purpose so big and so ambiguous. That it feels difficult to touch. And so if you're supposed to inspire millions, okay, great. So for August, how many are you gonna touch toward that million? We're gonna get to millions. We're gonna get to millions. But are we touching five thousand? Are we touching fifty thousand? And then by November, did you grow your social media platform by three percent or by thirty percent? Like less something trackable and measurable so that you can see that purpose being fulfilled? So you can trust your picker. So many of us haven't had enough indicators. Haven't had enough, uh, evidence that we've done it the way we thought we would do it or better.

• 1:21:04Lisa Nichols?

  That now you're starting to pull back on trusting your picker. Well, you need evidence. If the court of law sends a man to prison because of evidence, or lets a woman walk because of lack of evidence, then why not use evidence in your life that you're ready for such a time as this? But you have to set it up in such a way where you can see the trackable evidence.

• 1:21:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. Speaking of truth, Lisa, I always love hanging out with you and I could go forever. I want to respect your time. I know you've got another session coming up here soon, but I've got a couple of things I want to share before I get to the last two questions. I want to make sure people check out all your social media, your To Motivate on Twitter, your Lisa To Motivate on Instagram, and motivatingthemasses.com. You've got tons of great coaching programs and courses and events in the future, and you have some other programs you're working on that I think will be really powerful. We talked about before.

• 1:22:02Lisa Nichols?

  And I just want to tell you something because you're a health guy. You don't even know this, but I'm launching real soon this free program called Snatching Your Sexy Back.

• 1:22:12Lewis Howes?

  Oh, let's go.

• 1:22:14Lisa Nichols?

  Right. And so that's not there. That's on Be Fit With Lisa.

• 1:22:19Lewis Howes?

  Okay, befitwithlisa.com?

• 1:22:21Lisa Nichols?

  The befitwithlisa.com. It's free, and it's a six-month journey challenge around health and wellness. And like, it's my chasing the six-pack and chasing the vibe. So that's not there, but you would love that because our conversation is always about health and wellness gig. And so, yeah, snatching your sexy back with Lisa Nichols, best price in town, free 99.

• 1:22:46Lewis Howes?

  I like that. I like that. I wanted to bring back a question to the beginning and tie this kind of in a nice bow if we could, about self-care and self-worth. What do we say to ourselves when we don't do self-care? What are we saying about how much we are worth to ourselves when we don't, when we delay that for months and years of taking care of ourselves?

• 1:23:11Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not important enough to put at the front of my own line. You always are going to have a line of people to serve, things to do, and you've got one job, to stand at the front of your own line. You're saying that you're training other people how to treat you by the way you treat yourself. And so you are saying,

• 1:23:38Lisa Nichols?

  You're saying that I, I still need to heal in the area of feeling important enough to prioritize my self-care.

• 1:23:47Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:48Lisa Nichols?

  You also may be saying, and can be saying, I still need to learn how to fall in love with myself. Enough to take care of me the way I take care of others. And that's so many people. You take care of those around you far better than you take care of yourself.

• 1:24:06Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah. This is beautiful. You, you, uh, shared last time. I want to see if your three truths are the same. So at the end of every interview, I ask people what their three biggest truths are. If this was their last day on earth many years from now. And all of their content was, I had to go with them to the next place. And there was no more videos or books or anything of your message. But you could share three lessons to the world or three truths. I'm curious if your three truths have changed in this season. So I'll ask you, what are your current three truths?

• 1:24:39Lisa Nichols?

  You are greater than your circumstances. It's your birthright.

• 1:24:45Lisa Nichols?

  It's your birthright to have joy and abundance and love and fairness. And it's your responsibility to leave this planet a better place than it was before you came by your contribution. And those probably are all different because I'm a woman. I change. I, I do right. I change hair. I change.

• 1:25:09Lewis Howes?

  I like it.

• 1:25:09Lisa Nichols?

  What, what, what, what were they?

• 1:25:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, the, the last, last time was, uh, you get, you get a thousand do-overs every nine, nine, nine. You get to press reset. Most valuable thing is to nourish people around you who love you and make your dash dance.

• 1:25:26Lisa Nichols?

  Yes. I love those.

• 1:25:28Lewis Howes?

  Those are in alignment. Yeah, those are in alignment.

• 1:25:29Lisa Nichols?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:30Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 1:25:32Lewis Howes?

  The last question, which I'm gonna ask you here in a second. Before I do, Lisa, I want to acknowledge you for being an incredible human being of spreading positive energy. You talked about like, our life is not for us, it's for other people as well. And every action, every word, every intention you set creates a ripple and you've made a powerful impact on me. You know, I know Ben is watching and listening, our producer, it's made an impact on him and the millions of people that are listening and watching right now. This is gonna impact in such a profound, powerful way. I acknowledge you for your consistent growth. The consistent effort and energy you take to work on your health and maintain and improve.

• 1:26:15Lewis Howes?

  To having the relationship you want, everything. I acknowledge you. You're amazing and I'm so grateful we're friends and you're alive, so.

• 1:26:22Lisa Nichols?

  Thank you so much. I appreciate the acknowledgement. I'm a reflection of you, brother. We are blessed enough to find like unicorns like each other. So that we, we don't have to walk this planet alone, wondering about our sanity, because we, we play out in the universe. We don't play outside the box. We realize that there was never a box in the first place. So, thank you for making the journey feel good. I'm always grateful for the company I get to keep while I'm here and while I'm up to what I'm doing. So, I'm your sister in service, your sister in possibility. I want to find excuses to play together and call it.

• 1:27:00Lewis Howes?

  Exactly, exactly. I appreciate it.

• 1:27:02Lisa Nichols?

  You've always been a safe space. I love the space you create. It's judgment free, it's ego free. And it's full of intention of service and it's, that's the place I want to spend time.

• 1:27:13Lewis Howes?

  I appreciate it. We'll do more of these for sure, frequently in the future. My final question, what's your definition of greatness currently?

• 1:27:21Lisa Nichols?

  Ooh, currently, huh. Ah, my definition of greatness, being willing to lift others as you climb. Being willing to lift others as you climb, being willing to speak even if your voice shakes. Being willing to lift as you climb and being willing to speak even if your voice shakes.

• 1:27:47Lewis Howes?

  There you go. Lisa Nichols, thank you so much. I appreciate you.

• 1:27:50Lisa Nichols?

  I love you, brother.

• 1:27:51Lewis Howes?

  Love you too.

• 1:27:55Lewis Howes?

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• 1:28:37Lewis Howes?

  And you can always text me the word PODCAST to 614-350-3960. If you want weekly inspirational messages from myself, I'll send them to you right to your phone if you text me the word PODCAST to 614-350-3960. And I want to close with a quote from Michael Artterberry, who said, "Short-term thinkers plant gardens. Long-term thinkers plant trees. Eternity-minded thinkers plant themselves in the souls of others." I want to remind you that you matter, you're worth it, and you are loved. I'm so grateful for your time today, and as always, you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great.