The $100 Million Deli with Jamie Loftus

The incredible Jamie Loftus makes her Scam Goddess return! We've brought the hot dog expert in to help us understand how the fraud sausage at a New Jersey deli became a multimillion-dollar company traded on the stock market. Along the way, she and Laci discuss hometown heroes, fast food menus, and sexy buildings. Support Jamie Loftus and Sexy Buildings Pre-order Jamie's book, The Tower, here: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250480422/thetower/ We're on YouTube: Join us on YouTube! See Laci, the guests, and fraudsters: https://www.youtube.com/@ScamGoddess SOURCES https://www.businessinsider.com/new-jersey-deli-100-million-stock-fraud-inside-story-2026-2 https://njbiz.com/nj-deli-stock-scheme-sentencing/ https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/13/new-jersey-deli-sentencing-coker-stock.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/19/father-son-plead-guilty-in-100-million-new-jersey-deli-stock-scheme.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/16/arts/louvre-museum-ticket-scam-arrests.html https://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/financing/story-100m-new-jersey-deli https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/06/the-usd100-million-new-jersey-deli-a-theory.html https://i.insider.com/6986171ea645d1188188d7ff?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp https://i.insider.com/6986171ea645d1188188d7ff?width=1300&format=jpeg&auto=webp See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:45Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. But one thing's for sure, we will laugh at them, but never at the victims. Congregation, I'm very, very thrilled. There's a little tingle up my leg right now.

• 3:09Laci Mosley?

  We have a repeat guest, a member of the congregation. At this point, she might be First Lady, sitting in the front pew, wearing large hats that obstruct people's views, and we love that. Jamie Loftus is the host of the Bechtel Podcast, the author of the New York Times bestseller Raw Dog, and her forthcoming book, The Tower, that comes out next summer. Okay, so two times off the rest guests. Please welcome Jamie Loftus, First Lady, back to the show.

• 3:38Speaker 06

  I wish I'd worn a bigger hat.

• 3:40Laci Mosley?

  You did wear a hat, though.

• 3:41Speaker 06

  I wore a hat, but I'll go bigger next time.

• 3:44Laci Mosley?

  Is it Toonsylvania?

• 3:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:47Laci Mosley?

  I love it.

• 3:47Speaker 06

  Never heard of it in my life. I got it at an estate sale, so this is just a dead guy's hat.

• 3:52Laci Mosley?

  Wow, so we're bringing dead guy hat energy to the show.

• 3:55Speaker 06

  It wasn't my intention, but I'm assuming there's a cosmic reason.

• 4:00Laci Mosley?

  It seems like a fun dead guy if we had that hat.

• 4:03Speaker 06

  Yeah. Do you do estate sales? I have only been to a couple, and I struggle.

• 4:08Laci Mosley?

  Where do you find them?

• 4:10Speaker 06

  You have to, I feel like you just have to have a friend who's really into estate sales, because I got dragged to one. And sometimes, I mean, like in this area, they can be pretty cool because it's like dead guys who worked on Toonsylvania or whatever. But you are sort of just walking through someone's house and buying their stuff. But some people love it.

• 4:33Laci Mosley?

  I worry about the energy of the stuff that I'm getting.

• 4:37Speaker 06

  It is so, I would never, and I love dolls. I guess I would consider myself a soft doll collector and never buy a doll at an estate sale. Nightmare.

• 4:47Laci Mosley?

  What is a soft doll collector?

• 4:51Laci Mosley?

  You don't have to answer that if you don't want to.

• 4:53Speaker 06

  A doll collector that refuses to identify as such. You know, I guess maybe it's, I'm not, I don't consider myself a part of the doll collecting community. Me and my dolls were...

• 5:04Laci Mosley?

  You're not going to conventions, you're not...

• 5:05Speaker 06

  No.

• 5:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're not in the forums.

• 5:07Speaker 06

  It's relegated to one room.

• 5:09Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 5:09Speaker 06

  One room where the doll situation's happening. The rest of the home is...

• 5:15Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 5:15Speaker 06

  Doll light.

• 5:16Laci Mosley?

  So it's not kitschy, yeah. It's not like that one episode, do you remember Sex and the City that, where...

• 5:22Speaker 06

  I do.

• 5:24Laci Mosley?

  Who was it? Was it Samantha or who was banging the doll guy? And all the dolls were on the bed and he was trying to gently take them off?

• 5:31Speaker 06

  I think it was Samantha. That is, that made an impression on me. That made a strong impression on me, and I'm like, where is he? Does that guy exist? Because everyone I've ever dated has not been a fan of the dolls. They have been tolerant at best.

• 5:46Laci Mosley?

  But it's like something you can slowly introduce because it's in one room.

• 5:49Speaker 06

  That's, I mean, that's truly, in the past, when I was like living in a much smaller space, I literally, for the first like month or so of dating, until I was sure I wanted them to stick around, dolls in the closet.

• 6:00Laci Mosley?

  Wow, so this was your scams.

• 6:04Speaker 06

  Get hit with the "I love you," and then you open the door.

• 6:07Laci Mosley?

  The doll door.

• 6:07Speaker 06

  Dolls come tumbling out. You're like, well, I guess it's too late. I guess you love me for me and all my dolls.

• 6:13Laci Mosley?

  I love this. I'm trying to date more, and I didn't really date seriously before at all. I was just work, home, work, home. You can't really meet anybody when you're just at home.

• 6:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:25Laci Mosley?

  Although one time I did meet someone in my building.

• 6:27Speaker 06

  Really? Ooh, that's so meet cute.

• 6:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he was a crypto criminal. I'm pretty sure he lives in Miami now. But it was meet cute at the time. But yeah, now I think I'm gonna do the whole slow roll, three months, "I love you," and then open my proverbial doll closet.

• 6:47Speaker 06

  Exactly, and be like, "So glad to hear it. Something is very wrong with me, though. Hope that's cool."

• 6:54Laci Mosley?

  That's what it's all about. But you got them on the hook now. There's too much to love for them to not love the dolls.

• 6:59Speaker 06

  Yes, exactly.

• 7:00Laci Mosley?

  It's not like you're asking them to play with them or...

• 7:02Speaker 06

  You don't deserve me at my not having a ton of dolls if you can't handle me at my closet full of dolls. I feel.

• 7:09Laci Mosley?

  Amen. Well, I want to get into this historic hoodwink a little bit quicker today because we've got a lot to go through.

• 7:16Speaker 06

  Cool.

• 7:16Laci Mosley?

  And I love having a genius on the show. If you don't know, I always love to brag that Jamie is in Mensa. I need to tell everyone because it's like I'm Mensa-adjacent. That's why I put on these glasses. So, you know.

• 7:26Speaker 06

  You're already scanning far more Mensa than I ever have.

• 7:29Laci Mosley?

  No, I feel like this is the vibe. This is the genius vibe. I love it. But I'm like, this is me pretending that I'm in Mensa.

• 7:35Speaker 06

  It's beautiful. It's beautiful Mensa cosplay. They don't deserve it.

• 7:37Laci Mosley?

  They don't deserve it. Truly, I know. You said you was fighting with them on them forums.

• 7:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:43Laci Mosley?

  It's getting cyberbullied by Mensa for two years, you know? Were they at least good at cyberbullying? I hope that they were coming up with some like very intellectual digs.

• 7:50Speaker 06

  I wouldn't say they were intellectual. They were definitely, I hadn't heard them before. I, you know, I don't think, I feel like ChatGPT has probably ruined the Mensa forums because they were getting, at least they were really sinking through the ways in which they were threatening to kill me, I feel.

• 8:05Laci Mosley?

  Do you think they're putting in AI, like cyberbully plus Jamie Loftus plus?

• 8:10Speaker 06

  I would bet any amount of money that most, that people on the Mensa forums are obsessed with AI.

• 8:20Laci Mosley?

  That's such a disappointment.

• 8:21Speaker 06

  I know.

• 8:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, goodness. Well, today, in our historic hoodwink, which is my favorite segment of the show, if you're new to the show, this is where I will regale Jamie with the famous con caper group of criminals. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them, we don't know yet. But today, we're talking about a father and a son, a scammer duo, a father and a son. I like that because like the father is taking time to be a dad by doing crime with his son.

• 8:44Speaker 06

  I know, and I know we say that like the bar is on the floor for fathers, but I'm like, just take an interest, you know?

• 8:50Laci Mosley?

  Right. 90% of being a dad is just showing up.

• 8:52Speaker 06

  Just showing up, even one to five times, you know?

• 8:57Laci Mosley?

  And that's memorable. So taking time to scam with your son. I'm already on board, but let's see how long I stay on board.

• 9:03Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 9:03Laci Mosley?

  So it's a scammer father and son duo. They got a small-time New Jersey deli that's valued over $100 million on the stock market. And although the cheesesteak was good, it was not that good.

• 9:17Speaker 06

  I was gonna say, that's a, that's a small building.

• 9:20Laci Mosley?

  $100 million on the stock market. For this, like I'm automatically assuming this is some sort of drug front or something because what do you mean this concrete slab?

• 9:30Speaker 06

  I was gonna say, it kind of looks like a storage unit, no offense. I do feel like there is something, anytime there's like four to five different fonts on the sign, you're like, I have questions.

• 9:43Laci Mosley?

  Because the first font is giving me like Chinese restaurant, the hometown.

• 9:47Speaker 06

  Sure, sure.

• 9:48Laci Mosley?

  And then the deli.

• 9:49Speaker 06

  Broadway font.

• 9:50Laci Mosley?

  Broadway font, bull. Which, okay, a choice. And then it gets Italian.

• 9:57Speaker 06

  It even has to like Chuck E. Cheese Italian, like not Italian.

• 10:04Laci Mosley?

  Oh Chuck E. Cheese, what a scam. I used to love Dancing with that Rat. Why would you make a restaurant's theme a rat? We should have all knew what we're getting into.

• 10:13Speaker 06

  I used to smoke cigars too. I'm like the cigar rat.

• 10:18Laci Mosley?

  This is where you bring your kids to play.

• 10:20Speaker 06

  For a good report card. You get to see the cigar rat dance around.

• 10:23Laci Mosley?

  At the children's casino.

• 10:24Speaker 06

  Oh, I miss it.

• 10:25Laci Mosley?

  I think that's why I'd have the cigar. So they could start warming the kids up to the casino.

• 10:29Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 10:30Laci Mosley?

  Like how they gave them fake cigarettes that were candy.

• 10:32Speaker 06

  It's just, it's a gambling gateway drug. I'm sure it worked for some people. But for me, it doesn't, I don't like casinos because there's no cigar rat. What's the point?

• 10:42Laci Mosley?

  No, there are plenty of cigar rats. They're just like sixty year old dudes who are hitting on you at the craps table.

• 10:47Speaker 06

  I was gonna say, they're just ones that are sexually harassing you.

• 10:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got plenty of cigar rats. And then we got the phone number on the deli here. There's also three American flags. Because I don't, yeah, red, red flag adjacent.

• 11:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:02Laci Mosley?

  I used to, like, American flags, you know, I was born on the Fourth of July. They used to be like really happy thing for me. And I used to have red, white, and blue American flag swimsuits. I was all about it. Now you'll never see red, white, and blue at my party because like, it turned into like a dog whistle for America first. And I was like, ugh.

• 11:17Speaker 06

  It's so, it's so bizarre. Even seeing pictures of like my childhood home with an American flag outside, I was like, what were we thinking?

• 11:24Laci Mosley?

  We're in America.

• 11:25Speaker 06

  What's wrong with us? I know.

• 11:26Laci Mosley?

  They know. Like an Italian flag outside in America, it's like, oh yeah, we're Italian. That makes sense. But an American flag in America, we know we in America. What you trying to say?

• 11:35Speaker 06

  And also for this place, Italian flags might actually make more sense. Unless they're trying to dog whistle, which maybe they are, I don't know.

• 11:41Laci Mosley?

  They're like, we're Italian, but not that Italian.

• 11:44Speaker 06

  We're Chuck E. Cheese Italian.

• 11:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we're Chuck E. Cheese. We're Rat with Cigar Italian, okay? Don't worry. So, um, this was valued at a hundred million dollars on the stock market. So, Hometown Deli. This is a story about your hometown deli, not my hometown deli. But if you're in Paulsboro, New Jersey, which is across the river from Philadelphia International Airport, you know, these are landmarks.

• 12:10Speaker 06

  Wild.

• 12:10Laci Mosley?

  I love the Philadelphia International Airport.

• 12:13Speaker 06

  It's great.

• 12:13Laci Mosley?

  It's so good.

• 12:14Speaker 06

  It's great. I love their, they have a framed picture of M. Night Shyamalan in there.

• 12:18Laci Mosley?

  Now, I don't want to see that before I get on a plane. What are you trying to say to me?

• 12:23Speaker 06

  It does sort of feel like a harbinger of something.

• 12:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 12:26Speaker 06

  But they're so proud of him. I just saw him on my way into a Delta flight a couple of months, you were like, good, and good for him.

• 12:32Laci Mosley?

  You know what, good for him. Okay, they're trying to be like hometown hero. It wasn't like a poster for one of his movies.

• 12:36Speaker 06

  No.

• 12:37Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay.

• 12:38Speaker 06

  Okay, maybe they are somewhere in there, I don't know.

• 12:41Laci Mosley?

  Maybe. So, the town takes up less than two square miles, most of which is oil refineries and one large truck stop. So, a lot of savory, safe things happening in this town.

• 12:52Speaker 06

  Cool, okay.

• 12:53Laci Mosley?

  Truck stops, notoriously not weird.

• 12:56Speaker 06

  Nothing bad happens there.

• 12:58Laci Mosley?

  Oil refineries, not dangerous.

• 13:00Speaker 06

  Right.

• 13:01Laci Mosley?

  Good stuff happening.

• 13:02Speaker 06

  In less than two square miles, that's kind of impressive.

• 13:04Laci Mosley?

  Right?

• 13:05Speaker 06

  That there's that many kind of menacing auras, yeah.

• 13:07Laci Mosley?

  Right, but I think it's because that's all that's there.

• 13:09Speaker 06

  Right.

• 13:10Laci Mosley?

  So, your hometown deli is now closed, but in its heyday, it had the plastic red checkerboard tablecloths and fake flower centerpieces that you would expect. And it had a pretty decent cheesesteak on the menu.

• 13:23Speaker 06

  Nice, okay.

• 13:24Laci Mosley?

  So, they couldn't spring for the cloth?

• 13:29Speaker 06

  The hundred million.

• 13:30Laci Mosley?

  Checkerboard tablecloths?

• 13:31Speaker 06

  The hundred million's getting kind of dubious. I do feel like this is the kind of place that would have deceptively amazing coffee.

• 13:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 13:38Speaker 06

  Possibly, but definitely a picture you can smell.

• 13:43Laci Mosley?

  Okay, what's getting me is why are all the chairs different fonts? That's like.

• 13:46Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 13:47Laci Mosley?

  They just went and picked up chairs off the corner of like.

• 13:51Speaker 06

  There are some just like loose, there's like, um, school assembly chairs in there too.

• 13:57Laci Mosley?

  There's school assembly chairs, then we've got like the kind of picnic-y wood chairs. And then we've got in the back, we've got kind of like the grandma-ish, you know, is it a rocking chair? It might just be a stand.

• 14:07Speaker 06

  I guess so, yeah, you got like a little, it, it seems like mostly donated chairs here. No shade, but not a hundred million dollar vibe.

• 14:14Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 14:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 14:15Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, I, I get that maybe they were trying to go for hodgepodge kitschy, but they didn't get quite close enough.

• 14:21Speaker 06

  It's no, also, this is like a pet peeve of mine, far too many menu items. That to me is like a huge scam, like, uh, red flag. I worked at a drug front place, maybe I told you about it before.

• 14:34Laci Mosley?

  I've worked at a drug front too, but tell me about yours.

• 14:36Speaker 06

  I worked at this place, R.I.P. Pan Roma in Alston, Massachusetts. It did finally close, but it was, I, we were, I feel like there's like an overcompensating vibe where they're like, we have three hundred menu items, but there's actually four. And two of them are cocaine, like, they're like.

• 14:53Laci Mosley?

  That's all you need.

• 14:54Speaker 06

  That's all you need.

• 14:55Laci Mosley?

  What you want to eat after you get your cocaine?

• 14:57Speaker 06

  I was not, I, I was kind of, but I was never really like let in on, it was like clearly a drug front. It became clear to me, I was like paid in cash under the table. But I was just sort of manning the front, selling loose pizza slices. And they were like, I think that it's sort of as like a hush money thing, they're like, and you can have as many Diet Cokes as you want. And I challenged that policy so hard that they changed it. They're like, you can have no more than seven Diet Cokes in a shift.

• 15:23Laci Mosley?

  I'm just saying about leaders.

• 15:28Laci Mosley?

  I thought we sold more in cocaine, yeah, but Jamie took us out of house and home with the Coca-Cola.

• 15:32Speaker 06

  Twelve pack a day.

• 15:34Laci Mosley?

  She had a different coke habit.

• 15:36Speaker 06

  That's true. But yeah, the too many menu items, I feel like it's like puffing your chest out. I don't believe that these are all menu items that actually exist.

• 15:46Laci Mosley?

  Well, I don't want to say that you have narc vibes because I don't believe you do. But I think you might have given off a little bit of a narc vibe by maybe trying to be good at the job. Like, this is obviously a job where you should be on your phone, maybe asleep sometimes in the back until you hear the doorbell ring, like.

• 16:06Speaker 06

  No, I was so awake, I was drinking five thousand Diet Cokes a shift. I couldn't have gone to sleep if I wanted to.

• 16:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so they knew they couldn't clue you in on stuff because you were just a little too alert. They need somebody just who doesn't give a fuck, who's like, I got the sweetest job ever, I don't do shit.

• 16:20Speaker 06

  Just throw Xanax at her, see what happens.

• 16:22Laci Mosley?

  Something, yeah. So, um, and I agree with you on the menu items, way too many, specialize in something, please.

• 16:29Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 16:30Laci Mosley?

  So, but when it came to the chef's quality ketchup packets on the side, which is even worse than Hunt's, as one food writer pointed out. Which Hunt's is not a good ketchup.

• 16:39Speaker 06

  No.

• 16:39Laci Mosley?

  And how do you feel about that raw dog expertise?

• 16:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, Hunt's is when Heinz isn't available, unfortunately.

• 16:45Laci Mosley?

  And it's sad.

• 16:46Speaker 06

  It's sad for them. I wonder how they, I wonder if they were ever competitive. I wonder if they were ever a contender, I don't know.

• 16:52Laci Mosley?

  I feel like Hunt's is like Pepsi where they just got a bunch of contracts with places that Coke didn't get. And like, you know, you go somewhere and you go, can I have a Sprite? And they're like, you can have a Sierra Mist, bitch. Like, that's what we got over here.

• 17:03Speaker 06

  And then you're just like, immediately followed by someone looking like, okay.

• 17:07Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's all we got, so what you want?

• 17:09Speaker 06

  So, that's, uh, Hunt, I mean, and Heinz has their own museum, Hunt's certainly not.

• 17:14Laci Mosley?

  No, no, because we're not hunting for it, you know what I mean?

• 17:17Speaker 06

  No.

• 17:17Laci Mosley?

  At all. And that's why I appreciate that your book cover has yellow mustard on it because Dijon in New York always pisses me off. I'm like, I don't know what the Dijon mafia is about, but you can never go to a hot dog stand in New York and get yellow. They'll laugh you out of there.

• 17:29Speaker 06

  The Dijon psyop indoors.

• 17:32Laci Mosley?

  So, the deli is around the corner from Paulsboro High School, which shares the property with a sports practice center where the school's famous wrestling team trains. Since nineteen thirty-seven, Paulsboro has won more individual New Jersey wrestling medals than any other team in the state. And high school wrestling is really, really important around here. Is that a good looking Philly cheesesteak?

• 17:56Speaker 06

  I don't know. What is it, do you, I'm not into Philly cheesesteaks, so I was, I'm tempted to judge, but I also like, I don't know.

• 18:03Laci Mosley?

  I think it's one of those foods that's supposed to look greasy and nasty, like the nastier it looks, the better.

• 18:08Speaker 06

  It's not like a photogenic sandwich.

• 18:11Laci Mosley?

  It's not a sexy sandwich, but when you put your mouth on it, it's, it's.

• 18:14Speaker 06

  It's like you would never, it's, it's like eating like a tuna sub on a date. Like, you don't want to hang out with someone after they put that in themselves.

• 18:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we can't kiss after you put that in you.

• 18:25Speaker 06

  No.

• 18:25Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 18:26Speaker 06

  No.

• 18:26Laci Mosley?

  That's something you eat in private after a long night of drinking.

• 18:30Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 18:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 18:31Speaker 06

  That is meant to, that is like a Mike's Hard Lemonade sponge.

• 18:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 18:35Speaker 06

  If anything.

• 18:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you don't eat that in public, yeah.

• 18:38Speaker 06

  I have no idea if that's good or not, but I, I will pass. As someone who's had five trillion hot dogs, I'll pass on that.

• 18:43Laci Mosley?

  Right, I, I love hot dogs.

• 18:45Speaker 06

  Me too.

• 18:45Laci Mosley?

  You know that, right? I have like a passion for them.

• 18:47Speaker 06

  Wait, do you, I don't think I know, like, what's your favorite?

• 18:50Laci Mosley?

  So, I'm so basic. I want a hot dog that's grilled to where it's got the little char marks on it.

• 18:56Speaker 06

  Beautiful.

• 18:56Laci Mosley?

  And I want ketchup on it, and I want mustard on it, and that's it. A grilled bun, we can do that too, but don't give me no bun with no Cs on it. Don't give me no bun, it's too, too bready.

• 19:07Speaker 06

  I'm the same as you with a grilled or toasted bun and a little bit of relish.

• 19:12Laci Mosley?

  Okay, relish can.

• 19:14Speaker 06

  But a split grilled hot dog, nothing like it in the entire world, it's so special.

• 19:18Laci Mosley?

  That's the one thing that, I watched how hot dogs get made and I was like, this just made me want one, like.

• 19:23Speaker 06

  Unfortunately, yeah, I was like, I, I'm beholden to tell people what they're made out of, but I still eat so many of them, it's embarrassing.

• 19:31Laci Mosley?

  Listen, the air we suck down every day, everything's poison, what are we gonna do? We live in America.

• 19:35Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 19:36Laci Mosley?

  Okay? So, in a typical year, the deli would lose a hundred thousand dollars easily, with only twenty-two thousand dollars in revenue, which works out to selling about five cheesesteaks a day.

• 19:48Speaker 06

  Brutal.

• 19:49Laci Mosley?

  That barely counts as a restaurant at all. Like, I don't know if that counts as like a lemonade stand.

• 19:54Speaker 06

  I was like, there's more, there's more sandwiches going in and out at like your average household.

• 19:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 19:59Speaker 06

  Than if you have like, even like two kids, you're, you're doing more than five a day. Interest, five a day.

• 20:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so, this is not a real restaurant. But instead of trying to make the restaurant better, a friend with a finance background convinced the owners to incorporate the deli under the umbrella of Hometown International, a shell company.

• 20:19Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 20:20Laci Mosley?

  So, somebody saw the opportunity for a drug front.

• 20:23Speaker 06

  And it's a perfectly vague, suspicious sounding name.

• 20:27Laci Mosley?

  Hometown Interna-, well, did it say international? I know it didn't.

• 20:32Speaker 06

  Hometown International.

• 20:32Laci Mosley?

  What do you, that's a, that's an oxymoron, what do you mean hometown international? How we gonna be at home and all over?

• 20:40Speaker 06

  Every town is hometown under Hometown International. Just slop talk, that's crazy.

• 20:48Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, I need to just start reading through LLCs and I'm pretty sure I could figure out which ones were doing crime so easily. Because what do you mean, local, global?

• 21:00Speaker 06

  Local global incorporated.

• 21:03Laci Mosley?

  So the owners of your hometown deli might not have noticed the issue because they were working at other full-time jobs, because clearly these Five Sandwiches ain't making shit shake.

• 21:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:13Laci Mosley?

  And, you know, and they were at the high school around the corner. And the high school has the big wrestling team that's the focus of the town.

• 21:20Speaker 06

  I'm like, a high school wrestling team and we're not even moving Five Sandwiches, obviously at front.

• 21:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, don't they need to make weight?

• 21:25Speaker 06

  Right? I'm like, you should have, like, at least five teenage boys with eating disorders.

• 21:31Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 21:32Speaker 06

  At the, at the place every single day.

• 21:34Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 21:34Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 21:34Laci Mosley?

  Getting on the scale, have a scale in the bathroom. Like, we know what you're doing.

• 21:38Speaker 06

  Know your audience.

• 21:38Laci Mosley?

  Then walk back over to the high school.

• 21:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:40Laci Mosley?

  So, the deli dream. Paul Marina has been Hometown International's president, CEO, and CFO since it was formed in 2014. He's also the principal of Paulsboro High School and had been the head coach of the wrestling team since 1986.

• 21:56Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 21:57Laci Mosley?

  So, do you want to count how many jobs that was?

• 22:00Speaker 06

  I wonder how many of them he's doing.

• 22:03Laci Mosley?

  He's Hometown International's president. He's a CEO. He's a CFO. And that doesn't strike me as weird, because technically in my companies, I am all of those things.

• 22:11Speaker 06

  Sure, sure. If it's a small enough business.

• 22:12Laci Mosley?

  Right. So then he was also the principal of Paulsboro High.

• 22:16Speaker 06

  Huge job.

• 22:17Laci Mosley?

  And the head wrestling coach since 1986. Paul Marina, do you love your wife? Because it seems like you never home.

• 22:25Speaker 06

  He, I, I, I'm so curious how he makes it work. I mean, I assume he's really dropping the ball at minimum two.

• 22:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 06

  Minimum two. And if we're talking about him, the scam is probably one of them.

• 22:38Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Clearly, he dropped the ball on the crime. That was one he should have really kept up with, likely. So he's a beloved local wrestling legend in the Two Square Mile area.

• 22:47Speaker 06

  Okay. Icon of, of this, of this square.

• 22:51Laci Mosley?

  Big fish in this, in the tennis square.

• 22:54Speaker 06

  Okay. Shout out, Paul.

• 22:55Laci Mosley?

  Right, I don't know, being a local celebrity, it's kind of difficult in Los Angeles. Like, what do we have, Angeline?

• 23:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm like, I feel like there's, there's so, it's almost impossible to be a local celebrity. But, I, I mean, when you meet a local celebrity in a small town, you know, it's amazing. It's like, the dog is the ma, where's the dog the mayor? It's like that. You're like, whoa, I met the dog mayor, but it's like a guy.

• 23:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and the guy, like, they get free refills on everything, like, don't worry about it, Paul, don't worry about it, Paul, we got you.

• 23:26Speaker 06

  And you're like, who is that? When a local celeb walks into a diner and everyone's like, oh.

• 23:33Laci Mosley?

  And it's truly just, ugh, some guy? It's awesome. He hasn't paid for pancakes since 1986.

• 23:40Speaker 06

  I totally get why people leave LA and, yeah, yeah.

• 23:43Laci Mosley?

  I want to do that.

• 23:44Speaker 06

  I think there's a bunch of, like, not to keep bringing up hot dogs, but like, Joey Chestnut is a local celeb in Indianapolis. He can't, he, he just sails through any door. Everyone knows who he is.

• 23:54Laci Mosley?

  I would never give that up.

• 23:55Speaker 06

  Oh, I know.

• 23:56Laci Mosley?

  That's my Diet Coke, I just beat every day.

• 23:58Speaker 06

  Until they cut you off.

• 24:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they would cut me off. They'd be like, no more free pancakes for you, ladies. Like, goddamn. Scams!

• 24:10Laci Mosley?

  Cuts! So, Paul had an idea to open a deli as his retirement plan. It would be a neighborhood restaurant where wrestlers could go after practice to hang out, watch Eagles games, and eat hoagies and soft pretzels made by his girlfriend, Christine Lindenmuth, who was a math teacher at the same school.

• 24:31Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 24:32Laci Mosley?

  You can tell Christine Lindenmuth was a baddie back in the day.

• 24:34Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 24:36Laci Mosley?

  Like, I could tell from just how her skin is moisturized, like, her little hairstyle, the little tendrils.

• 24:41Speaker 06

  The updo, the updo, yeah.

• 24:42Laci Mosley?

  She's got the little slutty little sideburns, like, you know, she was that girl.

• 24:47Speaker 06

  I love a little slutty employee picture, so hard to pull off.

• 24:50Laci Mosley?

  Because, like, is this your school picture? Like, why you showing all this collarbone, girl? She, she got the clavicle out.

• 24:57Speaker 06

  She does.

• 24:58Laci Mosley?

  But she's like, I'm respectful, I'm not, I'm not trying to get with the kids.

• 25:01Speaker 06

  It's a high neck, high neck.

• 25:02Laci Mosley?

  He's a high neck, but it's got a little slit in the middle.

• 25:04Speaker 06

  Just to give you a taste.

• 25:05Laci Mosley?

  Just to give you, get your imagination going.

• 25:08Speaker 06

  Do your homework.

• 25:08Laci Mosley?

  Do your homework.

• 25:11Laci Mosley?

  So, he needed some coin, right, to get this off the ground? That's why he went to James Patton, who was a friend since third grade and a former wrestling teammate. While Paul had stayed in Paulsboro to build a wrestling dynasty and be a local Two Mile celebrity, James went to Wall Street, where he and his older brother built a stock brokerage with four offices and more than 80 employees.

• 25:31Speaker 06

  Geez, okay.

• 25:32Laci Mosley?

  That's a lot.

• 25:33Speaker 06

  It's just occurring to me, is Paul the most famous guy in Paulsboro strictly on, like, he's the only Paul in town? Like, if there's a Lacy's Borough out there, you could probably just...

• 25:44Laci Mosley?

  Lacyville?

• 25:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, plant a flag and own it.

• 25:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and then Christopher Columbus it. I've always wanted Columbus something. And no one talks about the time limitations on that. Why can't I claim something that people already know?

• 25:56Speaker 06

  I mean, I think you should.

• 25:58Laci Mosley?

  You should try.

• 25:59Speaker 06

  Why not now?

• 26:00Laci Mosley?

  I know there's Jamieville's out there, okay?

• 26:03Speaker 06

  I gotta get a flag. I don't have a flag.

• 26:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's easy. We go FedEx Kinko's print.

• 26:08Speaker 06

  Easy.

• 26:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we get you a flag. This is light work. So James moved to an expensive suburban, like, area a couple hours away in northern New Jersey, but he stayed close with Paul and donated often to the wrestling team. So he's, he's the big money in Paulsboro.

• 26:26Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 26:26Laci Mosley?

  There's Paul, who's the hometown hero, and then there's moneybag James.

• 26:30Speaker 06

  I also love the top, full criminal picture. Full, like, what have I done?

• 26:36Laci Mosley?

  Like, the shadows, the light, yeah.

• 26:38Speaker 06

  He got the criminal edit.

• 26:40Laci Mosley?

  If I ever am in that kind of lighting, I'm not looking into a mirror, because that just feels like...

• 26:46Speaker 06

  I was just like, what did you think was gonna happen?

• 26:48Laci Mosley?

  Right, he stared into his soul. No, he's going to prison. So Paul's plan was for them to own and operate the deli together as a retirement plan for Paul. Paul didn't know that James was a career scammer and that he had his own plan in mind.

• 27:04Speaker 06

  Ooh, okay.

• 27:05Laci Mosley?

  Now, you should have known when he was on Wall Street. All shade to people on Wall Street, you create nothing.

• 27:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:11Laci Mosley?

  You steal from everyone, and you ruin our lives. And I don't know why we let you do it.

• 27:16Speaker 06

  I, and it's, it gets more legal all the time, it seems like.

• 27:20Laci Mosley?

  Every day it gets more legal. You can just do anything.

• 27:22Speaker 06

  You don't need to pretend to not be doing it anymore.

• 27:25Laci Mosley?

  The way that people don't even realize yet that Elon Musk was working in the government just to make sure that all of our pensions are so tied up in AI that when it bursts, everyone will suffer.

• 27:35Speaker 06

  Everyone will just be fucked overnight. It's so, it's like, part of the joy of listening to, to this part of Scam Goddess is like, man, you used to have to get creative to commit a crime. It used to take ingenuity, you know?

• 27:50Laci Mosley?

  You used to have to come up with good lies. Now they just tell us the truth to our faces.

• 27:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's no fun.

• 27:54Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 27:55Speaker 06

  It's no fun. They're just like, I'm going to be stealing from you, you're garbage to me.

• 27:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And what are you gonna do about it? Pour?

• 28:02Speaker 06

  And I'm like, I guess nothing, all right? Good to meet you, sir.

• 28:06Laci Mosley?

  You want to get violent, you're going to prison. I can do anything, I'll never see a jail.

• 28:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you're right, it's, it's boring.

• 28:13Speaker 06

  I know.

• 28:14Laci Mosley?

  Dude, give us something, give us a costume or something.

• 28:16Speaker 06

  Give me, give me Hometown International.

• 28:18Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 28:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:19Laci Mosley?

  So, father and son moneybags. In 2006, the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority had permanently barred James from working as a stockbroker for violating securities laws and failing to pay a $753,000 arbitration award. Four years later, he pled guilty to mail fraud after faking a financial statement to cover up bad investments he made with a client's cash. And he served two years in prison.

• 28:46Speaker 06

  Oh, I bet it was a nice prison, though.

• 28:48Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, you know, they had, like, tennis courts.

• 28:50Speaker 06

  Fancy prison.

• 28:51Laci Mosley?

  And he could probably send it, you know he's still got that money line around somewhere? Somebody's putting money on his books. He's probably, like, cool in prison because he's getting everybody ramming and shit.

• 28:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm picturing, like, Robert Durst in prison. You know, like, high thread count jumpsuit kind of situation.

• 29:06Laci Mosley?

  I can't wear that polyester jumpsuit? No! Like, his jumpsuit wasn't orange, it was saffron.

• 29:11Speaker 06

  Yes, oh, he had a statement jumpsuit.

• 29:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes, yeah. So James made Paul president and CEO of Hometown. And Christine, this is Paul's girlfriend, the baddie teacher, was vice president and secretary.

• 29:24Speaker 06

  Ooh.

• 29:24Laci Mosley?

  Paul owned some shares in the company, but Christine did not. Get that lady some money, she got clavicles.

• 29:31Speaker 06

  This always happens to the woman doing the crime. She gets, ugh.

• 29:35Laci Mosley?

  She's secretary, we're not gonna give her no stop. Oh, fuck you guys.

• 29:39Speaker 06

  She can do math, that's probably more than the Wall Street guy can say.

• 29:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're right, the math teacher should definitely get the coins.

• 29:45Speaker 06

  She should.

• 29:46Laci Mosley?

  The math.

• 29:46Speaker 06

  Yeah. Because of the math. She's a woman in STEM for crying out loud.

• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  Yes. See, they're always trying to underpay us and overwork us. So, and neither of them were paid a salary, right? Other than the ones they got for their jobs at the high school. So they're not getting paid a salary from Hometown International, but they have these titles in the corp, in the company. James brought in the key investors to get Paul's deli off the ground. Peter Coker Sr., who is 82, and his 56-year-old son, Peter Coker Jr.

• 30:16Speaker 06

  Oh, father, son.

• 30:17Laci Mosley?

  So they're key investors.

• 30:18Speaker 06

  Wow, they have the same kind of, like, eggplant head going, don't they?

• 30:23Laci Mosley?

  And the same kind of, like, nose, too.

• 30:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:25Laci Mosley?

  And that brow, that eyebrow, father to son.

• 30:28Speaker 06

  That distinct lack of jawline must be hereditary. It's gorgeous.

• 30:33Laci Mosley?

  Face like a thumb.

• 30:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:37Laci Mosley?

  But you know what? In business, these are trustworthy faces.

• 30:40Speaker 06

  In business?

• 30:41Laci Mosley?

  The most boring-looking white dude, you know, that's who you give your money to.

• 30:45Speaker 06

  In a, in a C-suite, this is the most handsome man in the world.

• 30:49Laci Mosley?

  Because they still have hair.

• 30:52Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 30:52Laci Mosley?

  That's true. Like, being that old and your hair is silver, you still, it's whispering in the winds?

• 30:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's a C-suite eight.

• 30:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he's got it going, okay? He's got some...

• 31:05Laci Mosley?

  He's like, I'm sure he's partying with all kinds of hookers and blow, but you know, you would never know that from seeing him. He's so responsible looking.

• 31:11Speaker 06

  It is always crazy seeing a picture of the man who pays you. Like, the first time you see, you never forget seeing a picture of the man who pays you for the first time. You're like, seriously?

• 31:20Laci Mosley?

  I don't want to talk about it, but yeah, seeing some CFOs, I'm like, it's you?

• 31:23Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 31:24Laci Mosley?

  You have houses with fireplaces?

• 31:26Speaker 06

  Right.

• 31:27Laci Mosley?

  And I'm your little hooker? You have a house?

• 31:30Speaker 06

  You have a house?

• 31:31Laci Mosley?

  That's crazy. It's your job to make sure we never have a house.

• 31:36Laci Mosley?

  And they're like dangling house in front of us?

• 31:39Laci Mosley?

  Almost, almost.

• 31:43Laci Mosley?

  His keys at Century 21, so close.

• 31:47Laci Mosley?

  So, James Incorporated Hometown as an over-the-counter stock, the kind of penny stock traded by Leo DiCaprio's character in The Wolf of Wall Street.

• 31:57Speaker 06

  Oh, okay.

• 31:57Laci Mosley?

  So, they put it on the market as like, you know, a penny stock, very low risk, great name, Hometown International. It was incorporated as a company in 2014 and went public in 2019 on the OTC markets, which is like the kind of smaller. It's a stock market like the NASDAQ and the New York Stock Exchange, but with two differences. First, transactions take place between two parties rather than a centralized exchange, making it easier to manipulate share prices. Second, the OTC doesn't kick companies out if they break the rules.

• 32:29Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 32:29Laci Mosley?

  Because it's penny stocks. What's a little penny rule break?

• 32:31Speaker 06

  It's just like a game? It's just kind of like a little, okay?

• 32:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and it's like us passing the pennies back and forth, catch?

• 32:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 32:38Laci Mosley?

  Why does this exist?

• 32:40Speaker 06

  For fun.

• 32:41Laci Mosley?

  For crime.

• 32:41Speaker 06

  For funding crime.

• 32:42Laci Mosley?

  I mean, the whole market is crime, so they're like, let's get it, let's get them in.

• 32:46Speaker 06

  It's like JV.

• 32:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's JV crime. I haven't made it to varsity crime yet, okay? Not on the S and P.

• 32:52Speaker 06

  See if you can really fuck with someone down here and then you get promoted.

• 32:56Laci Mosley?

  From JV crime, and then we'll promote you to varsity crime.

• 32:59Speaker 06

  That is kind of what Jordan Belfort did, right?

• 33:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. It is exactly what he did.

• 33:03Speaker 06

  I see the vision.

• 33:03Laci Mosley?

  So, that freedom let Hometown shareholders, including Peter Coker Sr., manipulate its share price. Even though the corporation owned just one deli, that was losing money. Its stock went up 939% from $1.25 per share in 2019 to $1,299 in 2021.

• 33:22Speaker 06

  Wow. Good for them.

• 33:24Laci Mosley?

  Good for them.

• 33:24Speaker 06

  I wonder if they were, I wonder how many sandwiches they're moving at this point?

• 33:28Laci Mosley?

  Probably still five.

• 33:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 33:30Laci Mosley?

  Might be four.

• 33:30Speaker 06

  That's enough money for a chair.

• 33:32Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 33:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 33:33Laci Mosley?

  And the, the stock prices are like the cost of a sandwich, so, yeah. So, Coker Sr. and Junior, and James Patton, who remembers the Wall Street guy.

• 33:42Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 33:43Laci Mosley?

  They could buy and sell shares from each other with their other shell companies and drive up the price based on nothing. So, they were using their fake companies and basically selling the thing back and forth and raising the price, but it was just them passing it to each other. They shifted shares to shell companies and transferred other shares to family members and friends whose login details they had stolen.

• 34:04Speaker 06

  Got it. Okay, what are families for?

• 34:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but, yeah, it's giving shameless. Like, you gotta steal from your family.

• 34:10Speaker 06

  What is a child but a new identity to manipulate?

• 34:13Laci Mosley?

  And sadly, that's so real for so many people in America. I feel so bad for people who grow up and realize that their credit is shot because their parents have put like,

• 34:21Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 34:21Laci Mosley?

  like Time Warner Cable in their name.

• 34:24Speaker 06

  So scary. You're like, you know that rancid timeshare? It's your problem forever.

• 34:30Laci Mosley?

  Forever, yeah. Try to get out of it. But you know what? Here you go, baby. Here's the boombox they gave me in 86.

• 34:37Speaker 06

  Hope it was worth it.

• 34:37Laci Mosley?

  Figure that out, figure that out. So, Hometown International had made a loan of $150,000 in February of 2021 to a shell company called Med Spa Vacations, which tried unsuccessfully, like unsuccessfully, to market health and wellness vacations. Peter Coker Sr. was a large investor in Med Spa Vacations.

• 34:58Speaker 06

  Okay, another very vague thing.

• 35:00Laci Mosley?

  But also like kind of something, and if you enjoy zy, zy, maybe it could work. The girls like to get a little nip and a tuck and maybe you go.

• 35:08Speaker 06

  Make a weekend of it.

• 35:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, or maybe you get like a light little nose job and you stay for recovery. Like, Med Spa, like, vacations to me sounds like everybody in Miami who has those like BBL halfway houses.

• 35:21Speaker 06

  Yes, it does sound like a, like where you go with your best friend after a divorce kind of thing.

• 35:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, the Med Spa, yeah, that would be that. But then like, yeah, you go get a procedure and then you stay at this house and they, you know, rub your booty and, and get you ready.

• 35:33Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 35:34Laci Mosley?

  So, Hometown was also paying $15,000 per month to a consulting firm called Tyron Capital in North Carolina. Tyron Capital was controlled and owned by Peter Coker Sr.

• 35:46Speaker 06

  Uh-huh.

• 35:47Laci Mosley?

  So, they're just paying themselves.

• 35:48Speaker 06

  Right.

• 35:49Laci Mosley?

  So, here's the meaty scheme.

• 35:52Speaker 06

  It's like, we're, yeah, this is, it sounds like a lot of work.

• 35:55Laci Mosley?

  Yes, they're like passing money around, they're inflating their own stock evaluation, and then, you know, using their family and friends to create fraudulent accounts so it seems like other real people are holding the stock.

• 36:06Speaker 06

  Cool.

• 36:07Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. So, they weren't just paying themselves made-up stock market money with this scheme. They were trying to inflate the value of the deli company to make it attractive for a private company to buy it.

• 36:19Laci Mosley?

  Right now, I'm really liking it. Private companies, VCs, fuck them.

• 36:23Speaker 06

  Right, you're like, it's, it's basically not a crime.

• 36:26Laci Mosley?

  Right, you have so much money that you don't know what to do with it, so you go buy things that you don't need and you rip them to shreds and.

• 36:32Speaker 06

  And a $100 million stinky deli.

• 36:36Laci Mosley?

  Amazing. So, Mano Jay, Jane, that's a name, I'm just gonna call you Jane. Jane, a Hong Kong-based hedge fund manager, said that his firm had invested $2.5 million in Hometown after Peter Jay brought it to his attention as a good candidate for a backdoor takeover called a reverse merger. So, remember I was saying just a second ago, these VCs who were trying to like hostile takeover? Remember Succession when they're like, we're not selling our company, and they're like, you don't have a choice, bitch, we buying it?

• 37:06Speaker 06

  There's like so many.

• 37:07Laci Mosley?

  We're gonna rip it apart.

• 37:08Speaker 06

  Like, so many financial and like VC terms sound like evil sex positions. Like, reverse merger, that's diabolical.

• 37:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't know if I ever want to do a reverse merger.

• 37:20Speaker 06

  I don't want to do it. I, I actually have a rule about that. I don't do it.

• 37:24Laci Mosley?

  Not until I'm married.

• 37:26Speaker 06

  On my wedding night, I would consider a reverse merger.

• 37:29Laci Mosley?

  On your birthday.

• 37:30Speaker 06

  But even then, I would take a pill before doing it.

• 37:32Laci Mosley?

  Right, yeah, and I'd need a little shard before the reverse merger. So, it's a way for shady companies overseas to instantly get a spot on the American stock market without the paperwork and auditing that would happen with an IPO, which is an initial public offering, if you don't know. So, meanwhile, at the deli, Christine, our mathematician with the clavicles, and her mom were making sandwiches to sell at the deli, and high school students worked at the register.

• 37:59Speaker 06

  Oh, my God, so she's doing all the horrible stuff.

• 38:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 38:04Speaker 06

  Oh, she's doing the, I mean, she.

• 38:05Laci Mosley?

  She gave like grease burns from the cheesesteak.

• 38:08Speaker 06

  She's doing the labor.

• 38:10Laci Mosley?

  And she's the mathematician.

• 38:11Speaker 06

  She's in charge of all the sweaty teenage boys.

• 38:14Laci Mosley?

  That's probably why she was glistening so much. It was probably to grease off the grill.

• 38:18Speaker 06

  It's just beautiful.

• 38:20Laci Mosley?

  So, Paul, the deli owner, was overwhelmed with the paperwork involved in taking a company public on the stock market. So, he gave James his logins and e-signature. And James assured Paul he was on top of the business side of things, so they didn't need to worry. So, remember, Paul and James have gone back since third grade. They were on the same wrestling team.

• 38:39Speaker 06

  Right.

• 38:40Laci Mosley?

  James gave him the idea to make the business incorporated. Paul's like, I know wrestling, and I know maybe cheesesteaks.

• 38:48Speaker 06

  I know a light principal work.

• 38:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, light principal work.

• 38:52Speaker 06

  So, is Paul aware of any of this at this point?

• 38:55Laci Mosley?

  No, he's, he gave up his info because he was like, here's my login, here's everything. You do the, the company corporate stuff, and I'm gonna stick to being a principal, you know? Running detention.

• 39:06Speaker 06

  Paul.

• 39:07Laci Mosley?

  You know, teaching the wrestlers the, the slingshot and the reverse merger.

• 39:10Speaker 06

  Right.

• 39:11Laci Mosley?

  And you run the company. So, hedge fund managers are rarely heroes in scam stories. Very rarely. But this time around, hedge fund manager David Einhorn mentioned the deli company in his quarterly letter to clients in April 2021, pointing out a large mismatch between the deli's sales and its market valuation. And he made some catty comments about how the regulator seems, they don't seem to care. He said, David said this, he said, the pastrami must be amazing.

• 39:43Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 39:44Laci Mosley?

  That's a read. Okay, Real Housewife David.

• 39:47Speaker 06

  This is like, that's a cutaway.

• 39:49Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 39:51Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I may be evil, but I'm also petty. And then he spins around, doo-doo, and he's holding the cheesesteak.

• 39:58Speaker 06

  He spins, and then he spins around and has like a huge glass of wine.

• 40:02Speaker 06

  Okay, David.

• 40:03Laci Mosley?

  David, days after this letter, a report from CNBC revealed a long list of legal problems involving people connected to Hometown International. So, now CNBC has picked up on this because of David's pettiness.

• 40:15Speaker 06

  Oh, my God, Paul's crashing out.

• 40:18Laci Mosley?

  Oh, and I feel like David, like putting something in a financial, like, journal or, like, besides jargon, probably really piqued the interest of these people who read this boring minutia. Like, I hope y'all are staying with us. I'm trying to put some jokes in here and explain things to y'all, but sometimes it gets boring.

• 40:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:34Laci Mosley?

  That's why they keep doing the crime, because they're like, aren't you so bored by the crime? Don't worry about the crime, because it's boring.

• 40:39Speaker 06

  When someone makes a crime sound boring, I mean, there's some people who are real artists.

• 40:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 40:43Speaker 06

  In terms of, I mean, it's how you get terms like reverse merger, where you're like, hmm, okay.

• 40:48Laci Mosley?

  Scam artistes, that they're called.

• 40:49Speaker 06

  So, if you see the word pastrami, you're like, wait, I'm back, I'm back.

• 40:53Laci Mosley?

  Pastrami? Let me lock in. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I need it to be like X as in, oh, like, in the black, in the red, you know? Yeah, it needs to be boring stuff.

• 41:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 41:03Laci Mosley?

  That's how you get away with crime, guys, make it so boring.

• 41:05Speaker 06

  Make it so exhausting.

• 41:07Laci Mosley?

  So, the lawyer, Greg Jacklin, who originally filed the documents for the company's first stock offering in 2015, was disbarred in 2020 after pleading guilty to running a fraudulent shell factory scheme involving taking sham companies public, then selling them.

• 41:24Speaker 06

  All right.

• 41:25Laci Mosley?

  So, he had to go to jail. One of Hometown's largest shareholders, Peter Coker Sr., had been accused of various crimes, from embezzlement to fraud to indecent exposure in front of minors. Oh, Lord.

• 41:38Speaker 06

  Oh, okay, well, he's back.

• 41:40Laci Mosley?

  Peter, fuck you.

• 41:42Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 41:43Laci Mosley?

  I was, I was on your side for a little bit, but wow.

• 41:46Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 41:47Laci Mosley?

  You just admit it to society, it's like all of it.

• 41:50Speaker 06

  Why we don't have a picture of him where you can see his eyes.

• 41:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 41:54Speaker 06

  You know?

• 41:55Laci Mosley?

  And I don't want to look at those eyes.

• 41:56Speaker 06

  I don't want to see them.

• 41:57Laci Mosley?

  Reporters started calling Paul Marina and showing up at the deli to try the $100 million cheesecake. Cops staked out the restaurant to make sure the situation didn't escalate. Paul freaked out, hired lawyers, and stopped talking to James Patton. When James called or showed up at the high school to talk to Paul, other teachers turned him away. The hedge fund newsletter was the end of their friendship. This is a long friendship. These are not young men. And they met in third grade.

• 42:24Speaker 06

  In a tiny, tiny town, too. That's...

• 42:28Laci Mosley?

  And I love that Paul is the people's champ so much that he knows that Paul, James knows Paul's gonna be at the high school. But when he shows up, you know, like Ms. Suzanne from social studies, she's like, nah, bitch, you're not getting in.

• 42:40Speaker 06

  I was gonna say, there is no one like who is more like will defend you with your life if you're on their good side than the like front desk secretary at a school. If they're on your bad side, your life is hell. If they're on your good side, you are bulletproof. It is like...

• 42:56Laci Mosley?

  They will fight for you. The staplers flying.

• 42:58Speaker 06

  They are our strongest soldiers. They really are. Wow. Oh, that's like nice. I'm kind of rooting for Paul.

• 43:04Laci Mosley?

  So this is the end of their friendship, but it's not the end of the con. Scam!

• 43:13Laci Mosley?

  Con! So bioplastics merger. Despite the public shaming, the company's stock value barely changed because everybody who is involved in this, even the people reading it are like, yeah, well, we do crime. We like to learn about other people's crime, but we all kind of doing crime. Diet crime.

• 43:30Speaker 06

  Right.

• 43:31Laci Mosley?

  So the company's stock barely changed. Its shares were trading as high as $1,450 apiece before it was downgraded to a lower class of stocks that are called pink sheets. OTC Markets labeled it with skull and crossbones, which basically warns users not to buy or sell this stock, but it didn't take the stock off the market.

• 43:53Speaker 06

  Why? What's the point? It's so funny. It reminds me immediately, I hate that this is where my mind went, but it reminds me of there is on the menu at Margaritaville, they have a similar kind of vibe where they'll like label things in a way that like is like, do not order this, but we do carry it. There was like, there used to be a symbol, I haven't been in a while, but there was once a symbol that was like, that meant this is more sodium than you should eat in an entire day.

• 44:24Speaker 06

  And it was just like basically a skull and crossbones. They're like, you can order it, but it'll kill you.

• 44:30Laci Mosley?

  Don't say we didn't tell you so.

• 44:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 44:32Laci Mosley?

  You start grabbing your chest, okay?

• 44:33Speaker 06

  You ordered the skull and crossbones like groovy salad.

• 44:37Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 44:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 44:39Laci Mosley?

  Also, here's a defibrillator. Comes with the meal.

• 44:44Laci Mosley?

  Oh, goodness.

• 44:45Speaker 06

  Just take it off the menu.

• 44:47Laci Mosley?

  No, no.

• 44:48Speaker 06

  Same with these stocks.

• 44:49Laci Mosley?

  It's like Dave's Hot Chicken, they have like the Reaper, which is like the highest, like most painful chicken ever. You have to sign a little document to buy it, but it's like...

• 44:57Speaker 06

  God, yeah, the performance of that.

• 44:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 44:59Speaker 06

  The Panera lemonade that kills you.

• 45:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the Panera lemonade that kills you. But you can still get it. I thought you could still get it.

• 45:05Speaker 06

  I think you can still get it.

• 45:07Laci Mosley?

  They were just like, hey, it could kill you, so don't drink a lot of it.

• 45:10Speaker 06

  They just have like a skull and crossbones next to it now. This, we have to fix this.

• 45:14Laci Mosley?

  This is America, baby.

• 45:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it could kill you, but we just told you it could, so you can't sue us, so...

• 45:18Speaker 06

  Best case scenario, we might tell you it could kill you.

• 45:22Laci Mosley?

  Because worst case scenario, we won't, which is typically what we do.

• 45:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:26Laci Mosley?

  So James removed Paul and Christine from their corporate roles at the company in 2021. And they obviously weren't showing up to make sandwiches anymore. But James needed to keep the deli running until he could complete the reverse merger. So he hired his brother-in-law and his niece to help out. They found the deli had been abandoned the day that David's email had went out. So the day that David's like email went out about like, this deli better have a good pastrami sandwich or whatever the fuck. And all the reporters showed up and everything, like Kath, Christine got all the wrestlers. She was like, boys, get your slinglets. Everybody get out of here. We're going through the back door. Like they, they left the grill on. They was out.

• 46:09Speaker 06

  Good for them.

• 46:10Laci Mosley?

  He's like, we ain't doing no crime.

• 46:12Speaker 06

  They're like, we don't, and also we don't have a good pastrami sandwich. We don't need that in the news.

• 46:18Laci Mosley?

  Maybe that's why they left. They were like, we cannot prove this to them. We can't. It's bad.

• 46:22Speaker 06

  We sell five sandwiches a week. Do you think it's good?

• 46:27Laci Mosley?

  I mean, it's constantly going bad because we only sell five sandwiches. Yeah, I understand. I love that. So they were out of there. So they found that, um, so James's sketchy-ass family found that the, the deli was abandoned. There was old food left in the fridges that had gone bad. And after one month of James slinging cheese steaks himself, he had to get on the grill. That's how much he wanted the scam to work. Hometown Incorporated completed, um, or Hometown International, completed a reverse merger with, um, Machimer, which is a private bioplastics startup in Los Angeles, and they did this in 2022. So they did, uh, they did achieve their goal, but you know, James had to get on the grill. Honestly, I kind of respect him for getting on the grill.

• 47:08Speaker 06

  It's kind of performance art at that point, you know?

• 47:11Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I'm a flip.

• 47:14Laci Mosley?

  Tell me twice. I imagine he looked just like you were doing that, David.

• 47:20Laci Mosley?

  Think that's good?

• 47:23Laci Mosley?

  I love that. I love that for them. So, um, they changed the company's name to Machimer Holdings, but the stock still trades as Hometown International. Because that's a brand at this point. Nobody knows Machimer.

• 47:36Speaker 06

  No.

• 47:36Laci Mosley?

  No, they're a hometown. So the deli was sold and then shut down the same year. The goal was achieved, at least for James. Paul Marina is still the principal and head coach of the wrestling team at Paul's Borough High School. Christine Lindenmuth is still a math teacher. At least Paul still has his wrestling legacy. And hopefully they have like a pension for, you know?

• 47:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm sure he's good. I'm sure they're both, and now it's like, this is, it's just gonna be a fascinating obituary one day. You know? It's like you got some good footnotes.

• 48:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I mean, if Paul was smart, he'd find like somebody who, you know, writes books and like, tell your story, Paul. You know, start from wrestling.

• 48:15Laci Mosley?

  Really? Really bring us in there.

• 48:17Speaker 06

  Really tell us a story.

• 48:19Laci Mosley?

  So the criminal charges. James Patton did end up having to plead guilty to securities fraud in 2023. And the Cokers pled guilty in 2024. I'm mad they were out of jail longer, especially Mr. Bad Touch. I should have been gone for like multiple reasons. Get your weird ass out of here, you nasty bitch.

• 48:36Laci Mosley?

  Sorry, that pissed me off.

• 48:39Laci Mosley?

  So Pete Jr. had been hiding in Thailand before, this is Peter Coker Jr. He had been hiding in Thailand before he was extradited to New Jersey. Their lawyers argued that no one actually lost money in the scheme, even though it was illegal. But the judge decided that investors who didn't know about the shell game had lost nearly $5 million on it, including investments by Duke and Vanderbilt universities.

• 49:02Speaker 06

  Oh, wow.

• 49:03Laci Mosley?

  I didn't know universities were buying stocks.

• 49:07Speaker 06

  Investing in, I know. It's like so scary to think about where tuition money goes. I'm like, you were, you invested my tuition money in a...

• 49:16Laci Mosley?

  In penny stocks?

• 49:17Speaker 06

  In penny stocks.

• 49:19Laci Mosley?

  Cool. That's what, I mean, tuition is so expensive and college used to be free. And then black people started going to college and then it became really, really expensive. You can trace most things back to people hating black people.

• 49:33Laci Mosley?

  And then they were like, why weren't we charging for this before? Education being free, helping people.

• 49:38Speaker 06

  Let's just keep raising the price.

• 49:40Laci Mosley?

  Like and telling people that they can't work without being in debt.

• 49:43Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. And meanwhile, your teacher is like wearing Timbuktu because they're paid $12. Like it's just shitty.

• 49:49Laci Mosley?

  It's just... So Pete's, uh, senior, nasty man, was sentenced to six months in jail, six months of home confinement and a $500,000 fine and up to $644,000 in restitution. I don't like that there's a fine here.

• 50:05Speaker 06

  Right.

• 50:05Laci Mosley?

  That should just be restitution. Give the money back to the people who were scammed. Why the government like, it also run us $500,000 because of what we went through. Because Uncle Sam really was the biggest victim of all.

• 50:17Speaker 06

  It was really hard for us to look at that pastrami.

• 50:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 50:22Speaker 06

  We're gonna need half a million dollars in damages for looking at that pastrami sandwich.

• 50:27Laci Mosley?

  Daddy government.

• 50:29Laci Mosley?

  Daddy government has a tummy ache.

• 50:32Speaker 06

  $500,000 worth of Tums.

• 50:35Laci Mosley?

  Like, what? We gotta pass it around the office. We just shaking the can. You gotta give us 500K. No.

• 50:41Speaker 06

  Good lord.

• 50:42Laci Mosley?

  So he was released from a prison in North Carolina in November of 2025. Peter Coker Jr. was sentenced to 40 months in prison, including credit for time served during his extradition. So while they were extraditing him, I guess he had to chill in some, like, along-the-way prisons. And so they gave him some credit for that. And then he became a citizen of St. Kitts and Nevis.

• 51:06Speaker 06

  I'm sure he's an upstanding citizen and doing a lot for his community.

• 51:09Laci Mosley?

  They do have an extradition policy, though, so he better watch out. He better not be trying to do crime over there, okay? But I'm sure he's on the beach trying to sell people sand.

• 51:16Speaker 06

  I was gonna say, he's selling loose zigs on the beach to kids.

• 51:20Laci Mosley?

  To kids. Okay, Jimmy, overall thoughts on this scam? The deli scam?

• 51:26Speaker 06

  I mean, I... I'm surprised that we got out, like, still rooting for Paul. I'm kinda like, Paul and Christine, right? Like, they're...

• 51:36Laci Mosley?

  They're upstanding citizens of the community who are looking for a retirement plan.

• 51:40Speaker 06

  And it's like the kinda, it's the kinda scam where you're like, what's the lesson? Never trust your friend? Like, I guess never trust your friend that started working on Wall Street. That's maybe.

• 51:52Laci Mosley?

  And also your friend that you didn't hear from for two years because they were in prison and can't work on Wall Street anymore.

• 51:58Speaker 06

  Right.

• 51:58Laci Mosley?

  That's not the guy to maybe make a financial investment with.

• 52:01Speaker 06

  No. The Gen X men are fascinating to me in this way. The way that they, they maintain their friend. I mean, I guess you can, like, older men can, can have a close friend they don't talk to for two years.

• 52:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because they have friends that they don't talk to when they're present with them. That's like a, like a man thing where they're like, they'll be like, come home to their wife and they'll be like, oh, Tommy got divorced. And your wife will be like, why? What happened? But, I don't know, they just got divorced. What do you mean?

• 52:26Speaker 06

  You should be thrilled that we spoke.

• 52:29Laci Mosley?

  We were playing basketball. He was like, they're taking the kids. And I, yeah, I didn't ask where.

• 52:34Speaker 06

  God, I don't know. I'm, I wonder what happened to the deli? Is it just, it's just fully abandoned?

• 52:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 52:40Speaker 06

  Wow. It's too bad because it seems like this community could really use a good sandwich shop.

• 52:47Laci Mosley?

  I mean, these two miles, where are you gonna get a sandwich? You would've thought it would've been on and poppin' because it's the only sandwich place you could go to.

• 52:53Speaker 06

  Exactly, exactly. Well, I, I hope for them that eventually they get a new set of chairs.

• 52:59Laci Mosley?

  If you can't go to Hometown Deli, where the hell can you go?

• 53:01Speaker 06

  Like... In this economy?

• 53:05Speaker 06

  Unbelievable.

• 53:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and you know that the sandwich has gotta be cheap because the furniture is sourced from, you know, the street or...

• 53:13Laci Mosley?

  Some of it may be brought from the school, it seems like.

• 53:15Speaker 06

  God, I, I hope that the rage that Paul carries, he's channeled into his coaching.

• 53:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 53:21Speaker 06

  Right? And that his, his team...

• 53:23Laci Mosley?

  I'm sure they won more championships.

• 53:25Speaker 06

  New levels of success.

• 53:27Laci Mosley?

  They'll never lose.

• 53:28Speaker 06

  Paul's got something to prove, you know? Like, you gotta be kept sharp. Forty years into your coaching career, you gotta get scammed by your like-flong friend who inflated the value of your shitty deli. And now you're like, we need to achieve greatness today.

• 53:40Laci Mosley?

  Today. That's probably something he's, like, inspiring the kids with. Like, you think this is something? How about being scammed by your best friend?

• 53:50Laci Mosley?

  You ain't never been on CNBC? Get back on the mat.

• 53:55Speaker 06

  I love, this feels so... I, I dated a high school wrestler in high school, to be clear. I just realized what that sounded like. When I, when I too was in high school...

• 54:04Laci Mosley?

  You were in high school. In high school, you dated a high school wrestler.

• 54:07Speaker 06

  In high school, I dated one of the wrestlers.

• 54:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 06

  And the, the, I, I honestly, I'm thinking back to the high school wrestling coach. And it's like, it's an aura thing, you know? Where it's like, they've always got an outside hobby. And I respect that. But sometimes it's your criminal friend. I don't know. I'm rooting for the team. I'm rooting for Paul's borough.

• 54:27Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, wrestling feels like kind of a scammy sport. I wrestled for a little bit. And then my mom was like, you can't do that. It's not ladylike.

• 54:35Speaker 06

  That is an incredible wardrobe.

• 54:37Laci Mosley?

  Are you kidding? I think the underlying thing there was like, you can't be a lesbian. And it was like, oh, too late, bitch.

• 54:44Laci Mosley?

  That's what I enjoy.

• 54:49Speaker 06

  You were a lesbian the whole time. Wait, was this in high school?

• 54:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 54:53Speaker 06

  That's so cool.

• 54:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I did a lot of random sports. I just wanted to get out of the house. And the only way I could get out of the house is if I was in a sport or after school, like, something. So I was, I was a cheerleader. I was class president. I played volleyball. I tried to play basketball. They said, no, you're terrible at this. I was like, okay, fine. I ran track. I wrestled.

• 55:09Speaker 06

  Oh, my god.

• 55:11Laci Mosley?

  If they had it going on, I was up in it.

• 55:13Speaker 06

  I'm over here fucking twiddling my thumbs, playing the oboe like a fucking dork.

• 55:19Speaker 06

  Amazing.

• 55:19Laci Mosley?

  See, and that's why you're a mincer, okay?

• 55:23Laci Mosley?

  So before I let you go, Jamie, we are gonna do this episode, a scammer of the week.

• 55:28Speaker 06

  Ooh, okay.

• 55:29Laci Mosley?

  I'm not gonna leave you guys hanging. I know we got to it real quick here. So scammer of the week, we're gonna give you guys a little update from the little, in Paris.

• 55:37Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 55:38Laci Mosley?

  El Che, yeah, in Paris. So, and things are not going well over there in this update at the world's largest museum.

• 55:47Laci Mosley?

  Have they found the crown jewels that were stolen in the bold heist that happened October's ago? No. Well, but new crimes are happening.

• 55:57Speaker 06

  Wait, more art crimes?

• 55:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 06

  Yay, okay.

• 56:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, go work. So investigators uncovered a 10-year, $12 million ticket scam involving bribes of museum employees, tickets reused multiple times per day, and groups of tourists being split up to avoid paying an extra fee.

• 56:16Speaker 06

  Great, good for them. Honestly, I love this.

• 56:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 56:19Speaker 06

  This seems so good so far. I'm just upset that when I visited the Louvre, no one roped me into the scam because I would've loved a ticket scam.

• 56:27Laci Mosley?

  Right?

• 56:28Speaker 06

  Yeah. It's, I feel like with, anytime I hear about any kind of museum theft, I'm like, first of all, all museums should be free to go to because they're full of stuff that was stolen anyways.

• 56:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 56:37Speaker 06

  Nine times out of 10.

• 56:38Laci Mosley?

  It's like, look at the shit we stole. But it's okay that we stole it because, look, we put it in glass and we put a little light on it.

• 56:43Speaker 06

  Like, best-case scenario, it's a criminal's gallery. And you're just like, okay, so why am I paying you to look at your crime you committed?

• 56:50Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 56:50Speaker 06

  So I hope, yeah. I hope they don't get it back.

• 56:54Laci Mosley?

  Back to my Columbus question, just for a moment.

• 56:56Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 56:58Laci Mosley?

  How much do I have to steal and display for it to become a museum?

• 57:01Speaker 06

  Ooh, I feel like the bar is always lower than you think.

• 57:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 57:05Speaker 06

  Always lower than... There's some, have you ever been to like a, like a, a tiny museum? I love a tiny museum.

• 57:11Laci Mosley?

  I don't know about tiny museums.

• 57:12Speaker 06

  Ooh, there's like, um, one I went to, it's, it's the Unlicensed McDonald's Museum on Route 66. And it's a McDonald's, a closed-down McDonald's full of Happy Meal toys. And it's run by some guy. And you're like, sure, it's a museum, why not? The Bunny Museum in Altadena, R.I.P. Like, just a married couple that, that were obsessed with bunnies. And it's, and sometimes they get, oh, you know, sometimes you're like, where's the line?

• 57:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 57:41Speaker 06

  But it's a museum.

• 57:43Laci Mosley?

  See, I wanna do that, but like, with robbery. You know what I mean?

• 57:46Speaker 06

  You should do the scam museum.

• 57:48Laci Mosley?

  This comes from the stick-up of 94.

• 57:52Speaker 06

  That would be amazing, too.

• 57:55Laci Mosley?

  And you can borrow from the collection from time to time. And by borrow, I mean, I borrow it to wear at places, but then I put it back in the museum.

• 58:02Speaker 06

  And part, and part of the novelty of the scam museum is that employees look the other way and are welcome to take bribes from people who go.

• 58:10Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely.

• 58:11Speaker 06

  That sounds incredible.

• 58:12Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 58:13Speaker 06

  I would like to be on the board unpaid and then find out that it is being used for a $100 million scam.

• 58:19Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, but I wouldn't do you dirty like that, okay? We're friends, okay? I would let you know I'm doing crime with it. Okay, you can get out as soon as the jig is up, but I'll pay you too.

• 58:27Speaker 06

  Meanwhile, the jig is up. I have to get my wrestling team out of there. They're like, boys, we gotta go.

• 58:31Laci Mosley?

  The wrestling team is the docents.

• 58:35Laci Mosley?

  And they, they, and also I want people to bring things on loan. If you stole something and it's a little too hot to boost, put it in the, in a robbery museum for a little while. It'll appreciate some value. And then we can sell it to an art collector at Sotheby's.

• 58:47Speaker 06

  I mean, a lot of things from, from the Louvre, I'm sure belong in the scam museum. Like, you know, they should be on loan.

• 58:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they should loan some things to me, okay? Especially like, you know, those celebrity events where then they're wearing like the Hope Diamond, but it has to like go back to the museum? It's like, isn't that, let's just take in the crime and wear it and then put it back?

• 59:04Speaker 06

  It's a lateral move, yeah.

• 59:06Laci Mosley?

  I just wanna know how much time? How much time has to pass for me to make my own museum?

• 59:11Speaker 06

  You can do it.

• 59:12Laci Mosley?

  So police arrested nine people in this case, including two museum employees. Its investigation suggested that for the past 10 years, a scamming network of Chinese tour guides had been bringing in up to 20 groups of people per day to both the Louvre and the Palace of Versailles. This, they seized more than $1 million in cash and more than $500,000 from bank accounts related to the scam. The money was invested in real estate in France and...

• 59:39Speaker 06

  Dubai. Oh, well, all right.

• 59:42Laci Mosley?

  And if that wasn't bad enough for the museum that's always getting robbed, at this point, I know the Louvre is a part of it. Maybe it was getting too hot and they were like, okay, we gotta turn them in.

• 59:50Speaker 06

  It's a PR strategy at this point.

• 59:52Laci Mosley?

  They'll come to the Louvre, see all the places we've been robbed. I'm sure they've turned in the, the exhibits that the, you know, original October heist happened in, into another exhibit.

• 1:00:00Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm, you could, you could do an excellent Louvre audio tour of here's everywhere we've been robbed. Robbed over the years.

• 1:00:07Laci Mosley?

  Yes, they broke in here, they took us for ladders here. We never got this crown back. The Mona Lisa, she only a bad bitch because the man who framed her took her and then we got her back. And then now she a baddie. We know her smile ain't that great, but you know, you want to see it. Like, yeah, they should let me do like a laymate's term. Like, it's not as bougie, but I'm just telling you the things that were stolen.

• 1:00:26Speaker 06

  That's what people need to know.

• 1:00:28Laci Mosley?

  That's all they need to know. And also unfortunately for the hooft, um, two water leaks have been reported since the heist. And one gallery preemptively closed after officials found weaknesses in its ceiling beams. That's not a crime, but it's not good either. And I feel like they didn't find the weaknesses because they were like, it's time for us to do an inspection. I feel like a beam fell on somebody.

• 1:00:50Speaker 06

  Ooh, okay, you think they're they're doing a cover up.

• 1:00:53Laci Mosley?

  Cause like, what do you mean you found weaknesses in the beams? Clearly you guys don't look at your, you don't even have up to date security cameras. There are so many blackouts. You telling me now y'all knocking on the ceiling for for ceiling beams? No, something fell on somebody.

• 1:01:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's that or it's someone planning a sting. To be like, oh, this gallery is going to be closed.

• 1:01:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cause there's so many weaknesses.

• 1:01:16Speaker 06

  No, don't lose the art.

• 1:01:17Laci Mosley?

  No, don't lose art, no, the art's good. We can do construction around art.

• 1:01:20Speaker 06

  Leave the jewels.

• 1:01:22Laci Mosley?

  Close the jewel.

• 1:01:26Laci Mosley?

  That brings us to the end of such a fun episode. Jamie, thank you for returning back to the church. It's always, always a pleasure.

• 1:01:33Speaker 06

  Always glad to return.

• 1:01:33Laci Mosley?

  Amen, a scam. Now, where would you like to be found? Things that people can look forward to, that you're bringing into the world, anything?

• 1:01:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, uh, well, yeah, my, my first book, Raw Dog, you can get anywhere. Uh, and then my first novel is called The Tower. It's about, uh, a woman who, I guess she is kind of pulling a scam in some ways. She's a, she's an architect who designs and falls in love with her own building.

• 1:01:58Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:01:58Speaker 06

  And spends 20 years tricking a rich family into making the building for her so she can have sex with it. So kind of a scam.

• 1:02:05Laci Mosley?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:02:06Speaker 06

  She's a member of the congregation.

• 1:02:07Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:02:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Laci Mosley?

  Listen, better to hump a building than a man, you know?

• 1:02:12Speaker 06

  And that is very much her standpoint.

• 1:02:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's like the bear and the man in the woods. It's like the building and the man and like, yeah, I'mma hump the building. The building's never gonna leave me.

• 1:02:21Speaker 06

  The building loves me. The building has, and also most buildings have better personalities than most men.

• 1:02:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's true. So much to be indulged with at the building, okay?

• 1:02:31Speaker 06

  So, yeah, that's The Tower and, uh, it comes out in June, but you can preorder it now.

• 1:02:35Laci Mosley?

  Amazing.

• 1:02:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and congregation, if you want to get into my stuff, Scam Goddess, the book, sold wherever books are sold. And the audiobooks, which I read, if you want to hear me personally talk about my shenanigans. Takes like seven hours to do an audiobook. And what they don't tell you is they burp a lot, it's super weird. Um, and then sometimes you cry. It was, it was a strange, beautiful experience, but you can get into that as well. Am I selling it? I think so. Scam Goddess on Hulu, first season is already out. And you can watch all the other projects that I'm on, on TV. Support me and the biggest way to support is leave those five stars on all the places that you review, on the places that you watch. You know, if you see a hater in the comments, fight them, fight them for me, for fun, you know?

• 1:03:18Speaker 06

  Figure out where their deli is and start making some suspicious calls.

• 1:03:22Laci Mosley?

  Yes, also, yeah, write a nasty, scathing article about their, their place of employment, okay? Put lots of zingers in it, help me out. And congregation, I want y'all to get out there and stay.

• 1:03:38Laci Mosley?

  You know?

• 1:03:40Speaker 06

  I'm, I'm on that.

• 1:03:42Laci Mosley?

  Stay wrestling. Stay wrestling with them crimes.

• 1:03:46Speaker 06

  Keep reversing that merger, you guys.

• 1:03:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes, keep reversing that merger, yes.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

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