Squid Games & Losing Coins w/ Flawless Kevin

This week, Laci welcomes Kevin Ninh, aka FlawlessKevin (Squid Game: The Challenge), to unpack the story behind the viral cryptocurrency SQUID — a scam that rode the wave of the first season of Squid Game on Netflix. The creators made off with approximately $2.5 million, inspiring the second season of the show to feature a crypto scammer character who exploits fellow players on the island. Plus, in Scammer of the Week, a California pastor and former city council member is hit with an 11-count federal indictment after allegedly defrauding friends and a nonprofit out of more than $230,000. Stay schemin’! Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends and family by emailing us at [email protected]. CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Kevin Ninh: @flawlesskevin Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2021/11/01/viral-squid-game-cryptocurrency-crashes-100-in-minutes-after-founders-reportedly-run-away-with-25-million/ https://gizmodo.com/squid-game-cryptocurrency-scammers-make-off-with-2-1-m-1847972824 https://www.wired.com/story/squid-game-coin-crypto-scam/ https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/jan/12/squid-scam-podcast https://www.klfy.com/business/press-releases/ein-presswire/654640996/the-wacky-story-behind-the-squid-games-coin/ https://gizmodo.com/squid-game-cryptocurrency-scammers-make-off-with-2-1-m-1847972824 https://www.securities.io/5-worst-rug-pulls-in-crypto/ https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/22/business/ruja-ignatova-cryptoqueen-fbi-most-wanted-cec https://www.cryptopolitan.com/squid-game-takes-a-jab-at-crypto-scammers-in-latest-season/ https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-03-08/san-bernardino-pastor-alleged-con

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• 2:20Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Scam Goddess, and I'm back with another installment of the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them, sometimes we're confused by them. You really just never know. And congregation, you already know I'm very what? Yes, excited. I haven't said that in a while. I keep the girlies on their toes a little bit, okay? We've been switching it up just a bit, okay? Today, we have a content queen on the show, someone who's been killing it at YouTube games since 2010, okay? One of the first people on YouTube when YouTube was starting to get cute. What was I doing in 2010? Crime. So this beauty blogger has taken the flawless fam, love that name, on a journey from lifestyle,

• 3:03Laci Mosley?

  DIY to life advice, LGBTQ content, and more. Recently, she was Player 187 in Netflix's Squid Game: The Challenge. Some, like myself, have speculated that Player 187 might have sparked admiration and inspired her inspiration for Squid Game Season 2, where there was a character, Cho Han Ju, that people saw some similarities with. And I want to know how she feels about that and what she thinks about that. But congregation, first, I want to let you know that I'm thrilled to invite this queen to our show for the first time. Flawless Kevin, welcome to the show.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me.

• 3:42Laci Mosley?

  Yes, thank you for being here. So first, I have to debunk this scam. Is it a myth or is it true? And what do you think about the Squid Game Season 2 inspiration?

• 3:53Speaker 03

  I would like to think that I was the inspiration.

• 3:55Laci Mosley?

  I think so, too.

• 3:56Speaker 03

  But...

• 3:58Speaker 03

  I had like no screen time on my time on the challenge. And so I'm not sure if they were able to see that unless they've seen my content about the show, perhaps, or it's just pure coincidence, which hey, I'm not mad about.

• 4:11Laci Mosley?

  Now, you've been doing YouTube since 2010. That's, you don't even look like you've been doing anything for 15 years. Okay, it's giving fetus, but when you started as a baby,

• 4:23Laci Mosley?

  like what got you into this type of content? And like, how's it been doing that?

• 4:27Speaker 03

  Well, I feel like it's been such a long journey. But initially, the whole reason why I started creating videos in the first place was because I was bullied in high school.

• 4:34Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  And so, long story short, it was Spirit Week in high school. We love those. It was what not to wear day. And so for me, I decided to wear a cat sweater with stuffed animal cats tied around my body. And I carried around a basket full of kittens. And then during lunch, my friend shows me this tweet. And this guy tweeted something really homophobic along the lines of, gay guys who wear a cat sweater and carry a basket full of kittens should go to hell and die. Hashtag fags.

• 5:02Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's very specific.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Right, I'm like, who else could that be?

• 5:06Laci Mosley?

  Specific bigotry that we're doing now. And they're also named Kevin, what?

• 5:10Speaker 03

  I took that and instead of dwelling in sadness, I decided to make a story time video in hopes of inspiring people with my story and saying, hey, like be yourself regardless of the haters. And so I posted that initially on Facebook and it got such positive reception from students, classmates, even parents. And so I continued to create content on Facebook. And then one day, somebody opened up the idea of making a YouTube channel. And I'm like, duh.

• 5:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  So thus Flawless Kevin was born.

• 5:37Laci Mosley?

  I love it. And also that you've been such an inspiration to other LGBTQ youth because we need those real bad.

• 5:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 5:45Laci Mosley?

  Somebody who can show us like, oh, look how cute you are and how you thriving. Like whoever this bully is that's in my fucking high school, like he'll be living a sad ass life in five years.

• 5:57Laci Mosley?

  Give it five years time, he a bum. You heard it here first.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  That part.

• 6:03Laci Mosley?

  You can be gracious, but I can call him a bum.

• 6:06Laci Mosley?

  Eh, I heard he was ugly. Yeah, I've seen him.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yes.

• 6:10Laci Mosley?

  Ugly as ugly does, an ugly axe. Well, thank you for letting me have a nice moment where I could berate somebody in high school who was trash. But.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  I feel like that was very healing for me. I needed that.

• 6:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and you heal so many people. Well, I do have to ask you, what is your relationship to scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever seen any that you really liked or hated? Eh, have any been run on you? It could be anything.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  I feel like I'm a pretty intelligent and well-versed person to not be scammed. But I feel like I get the occasional scams when it comes to like, perhaps, relationships, you know? I'm a hopeless romantic, so I feel like I could maybe be scammed in that sense.

• 6:53Laci Mosley?

  Okay, a little romance fraud. Romance fraud can get us though. I mean, every man is a scam, especially the one's name Matt. Those are all scams. Matt and John scams. And you know you are.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  Clock John, clock the John.

• 7:03Laci Mosley?

  I know what you are, and they know too.

• 7:05Speaker 03

  Jonathan, Johnny, anything along the lines of that.

• 7:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, why y'all trying to do so many variations of that name? Jonathan, Johnny, John, John, no H, John just O.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  I've been screwed over by all of those versions.

• 7:17Laci Mosley?

  The Haitian was Jean.

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 7:19Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. They even put some seasoning on it, okay? They made some jerk chicken Jean's. And we were like, we'll take it. It seems new and different. No, I have a good friend named Jean Ellie. Jean, I'm sorry, but you are a scam.

• 7:33Speaker 03

  Sorry to all the Johns out there.

• 7:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, sorry to y'all. Sorry to those men. But yeah, I think relationships for sure have so much rife for scams because people need love and affection, and there's always somebody who's trying to get something out of us, so.

• 7:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:46Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I'm trying to think, have I ever have? Oh, yes, I've totally been scammed in relationships, but in specific ways that are goofy to me now. I don't know if you have any instances, but I remember once I went on a few dates with a man who, um, so one, lied and told me that he was Puerto Rican.

• 8:05Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 8:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and there was no reason to tell, like, okay, so I was speaking, we met in a boxing class in college.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  Oh, hot.

• 8:11Laci Mosley?

  And you know, some people are in college when they take boxing classes, but you can also just take a credit for a boxing class. And like, in Pittsburgh, I guess it was cheaper to do that. I didn't know though, so I thought he was just one of us. And um, no shade if he wasn't, but shade that he was lying. But I was speaking Spanish to someone and he was like, oh, I speak Spanish too, like in Spanish. And I was like, oh yeah, where are you from? He was like, yeah, I'm from Puerto Rico. Cut to, we go on a date, that's not a date because.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  Because these men can't plan a date for shit.

• 8:43Laci Mosley?

  Girl, why, why we go to the, the, the student cafeteria?

• 8:48Speaker 03

  That's the date?

• 8:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and I'm thinking, you know what, we are in college, so that's fine, like. But then when it got to the swiping point, he started looking around like, oh, I don't, I don't have a dining card. And so I had to swipe us both in, so I'm already like, uh.

• 9:04Speaker 03

  Oh, girl.

• 9:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so we go into the various food stations and get our food and sit down. I'm already like.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  Over it.

• 9:12Laci Mosley?

  As soon as I swiped that little panther card, my could use like.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  She said my fast are kicked in.

• 9:19Laci Mosley?

  I was like, nope, ooh, wow, a chastity bell disappeared, okay, that's crazy. So, we sit down and he's like, telling me about his life. And I was like, oh, well, your parents and somehow he had mentioned that he was biracial. And he was like, yeah, like my mom's white, my dad's black. I was like, okay, cool, so who was Puerto Rican?

• 9:37Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 9:37Laci Mosley?

  Cause you can be any race and be like Puerto Rican.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, call him out.

• 9:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so I was just like, who's, who's, who's Puerto Rican? And he was like, oh, no, I'm not Puerto Rican. And I was like, you, what you told me that you were, I mean, it doesn't, you don't have to be Puerto Rican, but I mean, it was a weird thing to lie about.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 9:53Laci Mosley?

  And so then, he, I was like, oh, what do you do for a living at this point? I don't even know why I'm entertaining this. Um, and he was like, oh, for a living, he was like, I work at a bank. Well, I used to.

• 10:05Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 10:06Laci Mosley?

  And I said, okay.

• 10:07Speaker 03

  Girl, run.

• 10:09Laci Mosley?

  I was like, what, why don't, why don't you work at the bank anymore? You switched jobs? Like, I don't know why I'm still, like, I think at this point, my scammer instincts were like, now I'm just interested. I just wanna know whatever about you. And he was like, oh, it was just a little insider trading. And I was like, a little insider trading?

• 10:28Speaker 03

  Huh.

• 10:30Laci Mosley?

  And I was like, okay, well, when did you get out of jail? He was like, oh, they didn't prosecute me, but they just let me go.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 10:38Laci Mosley?

  And I was like, well, how did they find out? He was like, well, I did brag about it a little bit around the office, I said, bitch.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  No, nope.

• 10:46Laci Mosley?

  So you are a weird liar. You're not Puerto Rican. You're broke and you're dumb.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  Red flags, red flags, run mama.

• 10:56Laci Mosley?

  And you scam me of a free meal and I don't even think you go here.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, you didn't even get a free meal out of it.

• 11:01Laci Mosley?

  No, and I don't even think he go there for real. I don't think he went there.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  Oh my god, he did.

• 11:05Laci Mosley?

  When I started looking at him, I never saw him on campus again.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  Because he wasn't Puerto Rican.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  You were looking for the wrong race mama.

• 11:16Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if he went back to Puerto Rico. I don't know, I don't know what happened to him. But that's when I realized, maybe he didn't go here.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, he just needed a free meal.

• 11:24Laci Mosley?

  He did.

• 11:25Speaker 03

  You were his meal card.

• 11:26Laci Mosley?

  I was, wow.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  Oh my god. No, I have not been scammed, like legit. I feel like I catch it before it's about to happen. There's so many people who I've seen like Netflix documentaries about who have been scammed money. Oh, that's never happened to me, thank god, cuz I have self-respect.

• 11:43Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we do not shame. We do not shame here, okay? Anybody can think somebody's in college in Puerto Rican and then, you know.

• 11:52Speaker 03

  You were young, it's okay.

• 11:53Laci Mosley?

  Swipe them in.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  You were young.

• 11:54Laci Mosley?

  The young and the old, those are the biggest communities. Because they're both very, you know, protective classes and need things.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  I mean, recently I can think of, I got, I guess catfished by a guy who, was he even using? I guess he was someone's pictures, but he AI'd someone else's face on to his body or something. It was weird.

• 12:16Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  But you know, being girls, I reversed Google Image that shit and I was able to like, you know.

• 12:22Laci Mosley?

  Was it given too perfect? Like, was the face given too much and the body was given too much too? And you were suspicious? Or do you always reverse image search?

• 12:29Speaker 03

  It was suspicious because I saw a video and he AI'd even the video. And at one point, like the face was disfigured for like a split second.

• 12:39Laci Mosley?

  Now he put his hand on his face and it was like, doo doo.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, yes, yes, essentially that's what it was. And I was like, hold one. I was like, what is this? And so I called him out and he blocked me, so I almost got scammed.

• 12:51Laci Mosley?

  See, was closer to your door than you thought. But what's interesting about that to me is like in an AI scam where it's like catfishing, I'm like, are you eventually gonna try to ask me for some coins? Because when I meet up, I'm gonna be like, who are you?

• 13:06Speaker 03

  I mean.

• 13:06Laci Mosley?

  Like, we can never meet in person, because I would be like, who, who, why are you coming up to my table? Like, stranger?

• 13:12Speaker 03

  I mean, whether they're asking for money directly or for you to like subscribe to them in a sort of way. You know, that's their end goal. It's just monetary value.

• 13:21Laci Mosley?

  Or there are some scammers who get specific with it. And I think that that is more elusive, like they'll ask you to buy something for them. So like, you don't feel like you're giving your money away. You kind of feel like you're buying something that they need, even though that's still a monetary equivalent. I've seen that in many ways, especially in scam churches. Where like they target youth, like youthful people who are in a new area, who have good jobs. You know, they try to find them at the mall, or they have, you know, other attractive people coming up to them. And they're like, come to this church and like, oh, we're not gonna ask you for all your money. But it's like, oh, the church needs new lamps. Who can get the lamps?

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Like, who, who would buy, I don't understand.

• 14:00Laci Mosley?

  Lonely people who, who want friends their own age in a new city where their family doesn't live. So they buy some lamps, because they're thinking, these are lamps for Jesus. I'm illuminating God's house.

• 14:12Laci Mosley?

  But really, they're still getting scammed.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Right, they just take advantage of the vulnerable people.

• 14:16Laci Mosley?

  Yes, which typically is what scammers do. But you caught yours with the wavy face, and I'm proud of you. I did catch mine.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  After you swiped that card.

• 14:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he was a Puerto Rican, and I was like, okay, let me, my phone go, my ass out of here. But he did get a, he did get a swipe. Lacey, how much was it? So, the money that I paid for, like when you get a dining card, you can get a certain meal plan. So fortunately, I had like an unlimited swipe, so I could, which meant you get three a day. So I did use two swipes that day, so.

• 14:52Speaker 03

  So you were starving for a meal?

• 14:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I was starving like Marvin.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  Over, not even a real man?

• 14:59Laci Mosley?

  Well, not a real man at all. He took money out of a, a United Negro College Fund student's mouth. And, and Kayden, I never was a part of the United Negro College Fund, but I am united with other Negroes. So that's the same thing.

• 15:13Laci Mosley?

  We all know each other. So he did it to all of us.

• 15:17Speaker 03

  Oh.

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• 16:53Speaker 05

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• 17:05Speaker 06

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• 17:55Laci Mosley?

  But, okay, let's get into our historic hoodwink, which I knew you would be perfect for, Kevin, because you were close to this. I don't know if Jess told you what we're talking about, but

• 18:08Speaker 03

  Briefly.

• 18:09Laci Mosley?

  In 2021, the creators of the cryptocurrency Squidcoin capitalized on the viral popularity of the first season of the show Squid Game and successfully defrauded investors out of millions of real, actual dollars. Now, you didn't have nothing to do with this, I know that. You were on the reality TV show. And neither did these actors. But someone was just using their photos and the popularity of the show to shill this coin. And like, look at this. So this coin was called

• 18:40Speaker 03

  Oh, it's Guard Daddy.

• 18:41Laci Mosley?

  S Q D.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, I would have bought that. That's Guard Daddy.

• 18:47Laci Mosley?

  See, I think I would be more likely to buy it if it was one of the green players, because you're already telling me you're gonna shoot me with the photo.

• 18:55Speaker 03

  I think the mask is kinda hot.

• 18:56Laci Mosley?

  The mask is hot, but everybody in the mask was a murderer.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  I mean, what can I say?

• 19:04Laci Mosley?

  I just feel like you should use like player 450, what was he, 458?

• 19:07Speaker 03

  56.

• 19:08Laci Mosley?

  456, like, and you know, have some green on, be a good guy. I feel like if I saw a picture that it was just like Manson's coin.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  They don't have variations of the coin, it's just that?

• 19:19Laci Mosley?

  Maybe they did. You see, you might have been really good at selling this.

• 19:23Speaker 03

  If they had the doll, I would not have gone that one.

• 19:26Laci Mosley?

  No, yes, we know you wouldn't do the crime, but I think you would have made the crime more cunty. I will say that.

• 19:30Speaker 03

  Well, yes.

• 19:31Laci Mosley?

  Yes, because this even, the emoji could be better. Like, I just feel like it could have been cuter. But it was like legit. Looking and this is always hard for people because Bitcoin is so nebulous. And it's really like something that millennials came up with because I feel like enough of us couldn't take over the stock market. Because people won't die. So and they're hoarding the wealth. So we're like, we need some wealth too, online money. I mean cryptocurrency technically is also US dollars, yen, everything. Because how you transfer stuff on Venmo or Cash App or whatever, you're technically sending cryptocurrency. But I can go print that money out and it's also backed by like the FDIC or something.

• 20:15Laci Mosley?

  Up to like $250,000 in your account, but against fraud. But and sometimes they don't, the FDIC really, it has to be like a business that scammed you. Cause you can't really call them up when like, you know, Squid Games ran your pockets. They'll be like, girl, we are not involved. Who is this?

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Right. To them, they're like, that's the whole point.

• 20:34Laci Mosley?

  Right. They were like, we don't know you. So it can only be like large financial crimes. They're like, girl, we don't know you or where your $25 is and why you weren't at Sunco. So we not helping. But like, that's why these are kind of hard. Cause you're like, it is money, but it isn't. If enough people believe something is a thing, isn't it a thing?

• 20:54Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't even know what the hell the Bitcoin is, mama.

• 20:59Laci Mosley?

  But if it's just like paper money, we all said, look at these trees, they have value. And then we all just agreed, right? But really, if the paper didn't have value that we put on it, would the paper be valuable?

• 21:11Speaker 03

  No, it's a human, you know, made thing.

• 21:15Laci Mosley?

  It's like if I said this is worth $10,000 and everybody believes it, then it is.

• 21:20Speaker 03

  That's nutty.

• 21:21Laci Mosley?

  Right? Girl, I feel like I got a spiritual scam book in me. It'd be mostly about crime, but I could make it woo woo. What do you think?

• 21:28Speaker 03

  Like what?

• 21:29Laci Mosley?

  Like I already wrote my book Scam Goddess and that's more like the steps in life that have taken me where I am and some lessons I've learned. But I feel like there's a spiritual scam goddess that I could start a church with. Where it's like, everything is a scam. Create the life you want.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  That's just a cult.

• 21:48Speaker 03

  She's trying to be a cult leader.

• 21:50Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but no nasty man is gonna come out. I'm not gonna make nobody play volleyball. You don't have to get tatted.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  That's how you get initiated.

• 21:58Laci Mosley?

  Right. Not unless you really want to prove your loyalty to me and get a tattoo. But I would never encourage it. I'd just be like, wow, I am impressed. Here's your robe. But I didn't tell him to do that.

• 22:09Speaker 03

  A robe.

• 22:11Laci Mosley?

  Now you're a part of the high council. I don't know.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 22:15Laci Mosley?

  But it would be, like, we would do community surveys. And yeah, I'm gonna need a little bit of your income. But that's just to keep. She's not gonna miss it all.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  I'm scared.

• 22:28Laci Mosley?

  So when we brought you onto this podcast, it was really more of me trying to get you to join my cult.

• 22:35Speaker 03

  Well.

• 22:36Laci Mosley?

  I just feel like you're very influential.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  You mess with the wrong one, I know too much. Maybe younger me would have been like, oh, okay, that sounds fun.

• 22:46Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I'm talking high leadership position here. You know, COO.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  Oh, I get to have a position in the cult.

• 22:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, now we're talking.

• 22:53Laci Mosley?

  Immediately.

• 22:54Speaker 03

  I thought you were just having me be one of the minions.

• 22:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

• 22:57Speaker 03

  Oh, well, yeah.

• 22:58Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no. It would be beautiful gowns, but you would be having real responsibilities.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  You know what? That sounds like a power duo.

• 23:05Laci Mosley?

  I'm saying, I'm just saying, we could really, I mean, look. So we're talking about Squid Co.

• 23:14Laci Mosley?

  So I just want to give you guys a refresher on crypto. Because I know what I just said was like, kind of grandiose. And it still doesn't make sense, does it?

• 23:21Speaker 03

  I need to still learn.

• 23:22Laci Mosley?

  Because it don't make sense. If you can't explain to me, like, I'm five, it don't make sense. And so, we've talked about crypto before. I'm gonna do my best with you guys. And we've gone, we've done like, episodes on Jerry Cotton, the Crypto King, and on Sam Bakman-Fried, who literally made an example out of Sam and threw the whole book in the library at him, even though he was not the only person who was involved in his crimes. So sometimes I feel for him. Because it was like, he just like, did it the best. And they were like, you're such a winner, we have to put you in prison forever. So people will stop. They're not gonna stop, though. So, and this is Sam right here, if you haven't seen him. Yes, he was getting haircuts in prison for a while. It seems that he might have run out of beef jerky.

• 24:04Laci Mosley?

  I don't think he has anything to barter with right now. His, it's giving my ramen supply is low. I need it for, you know, sustainability. And I hate that for him. I really do.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  I know, he need a haircut.

• 24:15Laci Mosley?

  He really does. He just looks like he regrets every choice he's made.

• 24:21Laci Mosley?

  Like his eyes are haunted.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  Oh, no, not, ooh.

• 24:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel bad.

• 24:28Laci Mosley?

  I do. I just feel like every day, his, his gaze just gives me like, I'm looking at a grave site, but like, all the time.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  Gaze?

• 24:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Grave!

• 24:40Laci Mosley?

  He would be happy to see some gays, especially with their hair, like.

• 24:44Laci Mosley?

  Oh, poor Sam. But anyways, he was basically one of the biggest people to fall from this. And in case you've missed this, on what crypto is and why, in just a word, it would have stopped being a thing after the 2011 Bitcoin crash, or after 2015, or after 2018, or after 2024. These are all crashes that have happened with crypto.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  That's me and all my mental crashes.

• 25:09Laci Mosley?

  Oh, same. I love a minty beat. I have to make it cute. Just like a little minty breakdown. It's self-care.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  But you see how it's every like, three years? It's not so often.

• 25:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm actually working on spreading out the time between each one and accepting that they're gonna happen.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Right, it's better to have one big one than like, little mini ones all the time.

• 25:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and I really try to have mine in the house, you know? If you're gonna do it anywhere, do it in the house.

• 25:36Speaker 03

  It's the safest place.

• 25:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and just don't come out until you're ready to really serve again. But sometimes you gotta just have it in the house. Put on some television show that has like, 22 seasons with 38 episodes each, and you work it out.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  I love that. I need that.

• 25:51Laci Mosley?

  See, if you, if you join my, my organization, my spiritual organization, these are the kinds of things we'll be sharing with the world.

• 25:58Speaker 03

  Ooh, maybe they, they'd be on it.

• 26:02Laci Mosley?

  I'm hoping to get you by the end of the episode. So cryptocurrency is a digital currency and we know about Bitcoin, right? It's used as an alternative payment method or speculative investment. So you store your crypto online and you use it for internet-based purchases. Or you just hold on to it hoping it'll increase in value over time, like a stock or gold or Pokemon cards. But crypto has no real intrinsic value, like we talked about with legal tender, like money, where it's like issued by a government or commodity-based currencies that are backed by gold or silver. Crypto, it just exists in our minds.

• 26:39Speaker 03

  Oh, like my imaginary husband?

• 26:42Laci Mosley?

  Yes, like you can't call Mr. Crypto. I think you can manifest your husband, but Mr. Crypto, we can't find him. We don't even know who made Bitcoin.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 26:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so and it's so like complicated to explain. It also helps with people getting involved in it because I just explained it and I know some of y'all out there like huh? And we're always gonna be like huh?

• 27:05Speaker 03

  So it's imaginary. When does it get value then?

• 27:07Laci Mosley?

  When we decide.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  So what if I said right now? You know what I mean? I invest in the squid game Bitcoin?

• 27:14Laci Mosley?

  If enough people do decide that they believe a coin is going to be successful, then usually, and I don't want to foreshadow this too much, but a lot of you know, like people start buying it and it increases in value, right? Then the person who holds the most shares can do something extremely unethical, which is called a rug pull. So they can be like, hey y'all, get involved, get involved, buy, buy, buy. Stock or the coin goes up, it's more valuable, we're all winning, we're all making money. I have the most shares. And so if I take all of my shares out, all of your shares decrease exponentially and I get to walk with your money. And because Squid Game is so popular, they were able to go viral and get a lot of people involved.

• 27:58Laci Mosley?

  Again, all of this hella made up. Wish I had thought of it myself. Sounds great.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  So we could create a Bitcoin right now if we wanted to.

• 28:06Laci Mosley?

  Scam, but scam is a dollar sign. I think that might already exist. We need something better than that.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  We need to patent it, I know. Copyright it.

• 28:15Laci Mosley?

  I feel like it needs to be more woo woo. Like, what about Sage?

• 28:18Speaker 03

  Ooh, witchy vibes.

• 28:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, just like a little teensy witchy.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  It has to be a little cunty, yeah, for us.

• 28:25Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  You're convincing me not to be part of this cult.

• 28:27Laci Mosley?

  I'm telling you, it's gonna be cleansing, I'm telling you. So, if there's no institution backing a currency, I'm just gonna try to break it down one more again, y'all.

• 28:40Laci Mosley?

  Let's say we got a guy named Craig, okay?

• 28:42Speaker 03

  Craigslist.

• 28:44Laci Mosley?

  Craigslist, yes. Craig has moved on from the list, right? And so, it's just one guy named Craig. He dropped his list and he's declaring now that one Craig coin is worth $2 or whatever. That ends up not working out for anyone but Craig. One example of this is what happened with Squidcoin, which I just kind of foreshadowed a bit and told you the whole thing. And Jess was looking at me like, girl, please. And I was like, no, I've already started.

• 29:14Laci Mosley?

  Squid Game. The first season of Squid Game was released worldwide September 17, 2021. Did you watch it, Kevin?

• 29:19Speaker 03

  Well, yes.

• 29:21Laci Mosley?

  And what did you think?

• 29:22Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, I actually saw a clip of it on TikTok before I even realized it was like a Netflix show. It was red light, green light. And I don't know, I just love a good competitive Hunger Games aspect to it, like a battle royale. And so, I was like, what is this? And then one thing led to another. It became the most viewed Netflix show in history.

• 29:39Laci Mosley?

  Exactly what I was just about to say. And also, I feel like there is something nostalgic about watching a bunch of games that typically we all know how to play, but then also learning about some childhood games in Korean culture that I had no idea about, that I thought were super cool, but I know would be nostalgic for a different audience. And then, all of us getting to kind of converge together and enjoy this, and then people start getting murdered.

• 30:02Speaker 03

  That's the best part.

• 30:03Laci Mosley?

  I know, and I was like, it's lit. The stakes are so high. That red light really means red.

• 30:09Speaker 03

  Oh, I mean, in my experience, well.

• 30:16Laci Mosley?

  I've been to that one too. But um, yes. So the second I started seeing the people get shot, I was like, oh, I'm in it. I'm in it. The stakes are so high. It was sad, but it's also fake. So I could be like, the stakes are so high. And I love that we didn't learn from it. We were like, let's do it with real people.

• 30:32Speaker 03

  Literally, and I signed up on it.

• 30:35Laci Mosley?

  I wanted to too, because it just looked so fun. And I was like, well, it can't kill me here, and I can still have fun.

• 30:41Speaker 03

  It was still pretty treacherous, I will say.

• 30:43Laci Mosley?

  I heard it was, and I heard the people speaking out about that too. There's a big push in reality television to unionize.

• 30:51Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, I heard about that.

• 30:52Laci Mosley?

  Because I won't speak about the show that you were on, just because you're on that show. But, and also, I don't really, I would be speculating. But um, like Love is Blind.

• 31:00Speaker 03

  Yes, I was about to say, like dating shows, the treatment.

• 31:04Laci Mosley?

  After the first season or so, people started to come out and complain about it. Because they were putting them in rooms for like 12, 14, 16 hours at a time with no like exposure to sunlight.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  Oh, that was me.

• 31:18Laci Mosley?

  They were applying them with food and alcohol and like being like, you've got to sit here and fall in love. So of course, by the end, some people are like, yes, I love you. Can I leave now? If we get married right now, can I leave?

• 31:30Speaker 03

  They do it on purpose to like psychologically mess with you to make these rash decisions to entertain the people.

• 31:37Laci Mosley?

  That you wouldn't make if you weren't under duress.

• 31:40Speaker 03

  Definitely.

• 31:40Laci Mosley?

  And unfortunately, like, nobody, especially these days, because the girls can't read anymore. The children are not reading. Pick up a book. See, y'all can't stop reading Rainbow.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  Put the iPad down.

• 31:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, and even on the iPad, they're not reading everything. The way that I have to advertise and write copy now is like, in the first five words, I have to get out everything that needs to be said. I will give further information, but they will not repass that we have to, we have to help them.

• 32:05Speaker 03

  Even with subtitles, they'll press like two times.

• 32:08Laci Mosley?

  They love watching something in like 4X speed and being like, yeah, I watched it. I hated it. Well, yeah.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  That's why our attention spans are so low now.

• 32:16Laci Mosley?

  So low and the demand for content is so high. It's like you have to make something like, like the Instagram algorithm rewards you if you post like twice a day more than anything else. And like, I'm like, I don't want to be television.

• 32:32Speaker 03

  No, and having that type of access to you is just not normal.

• 32:36Laci Mosley?

  No, and they're like, be television. Everybody's television now. That's why we don't eat. I'm like, I don't want to be television.

• 32:41Speaker 03

  And then they start feeling entitled.

• 32:43Laci Mosley?

  Right. I want to be on TV the normal way. I don't want to have to be the whole TV.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  That's a lot more work, too, to having to create your own, for sure.

• 32:53Laci Mosley?

  Right. Not live action me, but then we're looking at these people on these shows under duress and we're judging them so harshly. And I feel so bad now that I am an adult and realize so many things. Like luckily, we didn't have Twitter and there weren't any direct ways for me to be like, you on the bad girls' club are a bad lady. But now like, there's a terrible, terrible network and I'm not going to say the name, but some of y'all gonna know what it is. But they have this show. I'm not gonna say the name of the show yet because you're gonna know what it is as soon as I say it. I'll say this. Pose for me. Okay, now you know what I'm talking about. Some of you know, and if you know, you know. Um, you know.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  I think I do.

• 33:30Laci Mosley?

  There's a chin involved. I think, I think that's all I have to say. Those are, that's the math you're gonna get from me. But they ply these poor young women with Doritos and tequila and make them fight. Make them fight and then make them go to the club in sunglasses and like with stints on their pants and stuff. And it's a show that makes millions.

• 33:55Speaker 03

  All for the name of entertaining the people.

• 33:58Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. And you going on there because you want some Instagram followers and some clout.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. But even reality TV clout is so fleeting.

• 34:06Laci Mosley?

  It is. You really have to try to hold on so desperately to stay relevant.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  So many people think they can go on a show and that's like their one-way ticket to fame. And it's like, maybe for like a month.

• 34:16Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 34:17Speaker 03

  Until you have to learn the skills to maintain the audience, create a brand.

• 34:22Laci Mosley?

  And some people can naturally learn very quickly and like hold on to it and create a brand. But this just seems like a place where I'm like, I don't know how you leave, like, like after shooting people with a BB gun.

• 34:36Laci Mosley?

  I don't know how you leave after all the tequila in one chip and have anybody respect you. And they be making them fight and they be fighting over nothing. They literally be like, who's ready to stand on business? And everybody, everybody knows that means you just have to pick someone and fight them.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 34:55Laci Mosley?

  And make up a reason.

• 34:57Speaker 03

  And then people will literally see that and take that and run with it. I mean, like, well, that was not the full story, but.

• 35:03Laci Mosley?

  But that's the only story we got.

• 35:04Speaker 03

  Right. What you see is what you get.

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• 37:12Laci Mosley?

  So how we got here, I don't know. Probably because I was tired of talking about fucking crypto, because it is a sham. But the Netflix show, right? So we're back to that. It's super popular. And everyone wants to get involved in its popularity in some way. Because like we said now, like TV is like, once you're a beloved character, people start commenting on your posts and like getting mad at you about stuff your character did and stuff. Like the parasocial relationships are so strong now that like people want to be involved if they really fall in love with something. So whereas I feel like both of us can watch something and be like, I really enjoyed that. A lot of people watch stuff now and are like, all right, what are their names? Where do they live? All right, I'm gonna follow them on Insta and watch everything they post.

• 37:57Laci Mosley?

  And it's like, I don't need to be that involved. I like knowing you as an actor on TV. If we meet in person, cool. But we would be able to do that because we live in this industry. If I didn't, I would not be going places to try to... Well, I would go to normal things like cons. Like I think CinemaCon and all that kind of stuff is cool, especially if you want to nerd out with other people who care about the same thing. But I'm not like gonna be just like showing up at a restaurant because you posted on Instagram. But people do that.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Even for Beyonce?

• 38:30Speaker 03

  See, for me, I'm like, if I heard BTS, which is a K-pop boy band I'm obsessed with, I'm like, well, let me go take a snickerdy-bickerdy.

• 38:38Laci Mosley?

  If I was younger, not even gonna lie, one time I did do that for Beyonce. Me and my friends pretended to be bottle service girls.

• 38:46Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 38:47Laci Mosley?

  So we got into VIP. I mean, we're just wearing black and it was Super Bowl weekend, so everybody looked the same.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  Oh, you went all out.

• 38:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and all we did was like, when she came by, I didn't know she was gonna be there, but

• 38:57Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 38:58Laci Mosley?

  everybody started running, and as a black person, other people run, you have to run too.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  Right, you don't know what's going on. It's America.

• 39:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's America. Honestly, it should be of all races now. If y'all haven't learned from us by now that when people start running, you don't say, "What's going on?" You definitely don't go down the situation.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  Especially here.

• 39:15Laci Mosley?

  You follow them implicitly until they stop running, and they'll be like, "Oh my god, they almost got us. Who was they? What were they doing?"

• 39:22Speaker 03

  But they were running to see Beyonce.

• 39:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they were running to see Beyonce, but I had to, I ran with them. And then, when I saw Beyonce, we were all just politely like, "Hello." She was like, "Ay, y'all, I'm not really doing pictures today." We were like, "That's fine. This air is great."

• 39:37Speaker 03

  Actually, I recently got to breathe the same air as her and Tina.

• 39:40Laci Mosley?

  Yes. I once saw Miss Tina on a plane, and I knew I wasn't gonna die that day.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  No.

• 39:45Laci Mosley?

  I said, "Not with Beyonce, mama, on the plane. I'm gonna be just fine."

• 39:47Speaker 03

  You're blessed.

• 39:48Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. So, okay, you got me there. You got me there, but that's the hardest one.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  I think just the delusions of me would run amok. If I saw my K-pop boys, I would definitely.

• 39:59Laci Mosley?

  But I feel like it's because if we're in the same vicinity, we're not like, "Oh, you're eating at this restaurant? I will appear there."

• 40:06Speaker 03

  Oh, god. I mean, that's like a whole other, yeah.

• 40:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm like, if they say you over there, and I'm just walking distance, I might stroll by. I guess that's not crazy to me. But if I'm like stalking you online, and then I'm like, "Oh, okay, you getting, um, orthopedic surgery today at the side."

• 40:22Speaker 03

  The fans who wait at the airport for like two seconds of, you know, screen time for them.

• 40:29Laci Mosley?

  They're wild. I saw a grown ass man who, when he said the date of his birthday, he had to have been 40. And he was following, what's that Williams, that girl's name? Wednesday.

• 40:40Speaker 03

  Oh, Jenna Ortega.

• 40:41Laci Mosley?

  Jenna Ortega. She's so cute. So he was following Jenna Ortega and he was like, "It's my birthday. Can you wish me a happy birthday?" And like, holding up his phone and be like, "Wish me a happy birthday." And like, she looked really uncomfortable because he was like, he was, he was too old to be doing this.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  Where was this?

• 40:55Laci Mosley?

  And then, uh, this I think was in New York City. And so, and I think she likes to be walking outside sometimes. And Ryan Carey would never. She's like, "I don't, when I go to New York, I don't touch air." And like, unless it's like, from the conditioner. Like, you're not gonna catch me. But, you know, she's still young. So, the guy pulls out his ID.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 41:14Laci Mosley?

  And he's like, "Look at my ID. Like, I'm not lying. It's really my birthday."

• 41:17Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 41:18Laci Mosley?

  And she was like, "I'm sorry."

• 41:22Speaker 03

  She's known as like a scream queen and she's like, "I'm in a real life horror movie right now."

• 41:25Laci Mosley?

  Literally. Not you pulling out your identification. Sir, I need you to be so serious. You are 40. You're 40. This girl is what, 22?

• 41:33Speaker 03

  It wasn't even for like, his daughter or something? It was for himself?

• 41:35Laci Mosley?

  No, it was for himself. And like, I don't know what he thought he was gonna, like, how that was gonna change his life. But, so this is how clout works, which makes sense as to why you can see people falling for imaginary money because they wanna be involved in Squid Game in some way possible. They either wanna follow the actors or like, "I think the Halloween costumes were cute. There were even Squid Game events." So I was like, "If you wanna go and play red light, green light, like the TV show, I think that's fun and normal." But there is a certain degree where fandom becomes something that I think is really, really toxic. And even for the fans themselves. Because now you have a Stan wars that are affecting your mental health.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  Definitely the Stan wars, I was about to say.

• 42:14Laci Mosley?

  And like, you're now putting your real money into something nebulous because you're such a huge fan.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  So what happened? What are the results?

• 42:25Laci Mosley?

  So, people, if you don't know Squid Game, I realize I did not tell you guys exactly what it is. But people, they compete in these children's games for a chance to win $40 million and get out of debt. And it's a dystopian satire of capitalism. Just wanna say that. We do have a video of the trailer, but we've both seen it. Um, but we will include it on the Instagram. So, it's pretty funny to have a scam-based currency, if you think about it. It's just- Ironic.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  That's what I was about to say. The show is about capitalism and like commentary on that and the fact that there is Bitcoin scamming the fans who watch the show, which clearly did not understand the message. It's ironic.

• 43:02Laci Mosley?

  I told you that the kids don't read no more.

• 43:04Speaker 03

  Oh, kids are buying Bitcoin?

• 43:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes, they, uh, kids, adults, but like nuance, people don't have as much of it as we used to. Cause we don't get enough time to process things. The internet is coming at us so quickly that we're just like,

• 43:18Speaker 03

  This is my justification.

• 43:20Laci Mosley?

  This is my initial reaction. I'm not giving it any thought. Now let me share my opinion like.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  Oh my God, that.

• 43:25Laci Mosley?

  That. So when that, when money's involved in that, that's where it's going to become a scam. So Squid Crypto. A month after the Netflix show came out, the developers of Squid Coin promised that by buying their coin, you could participate in a new fan made squid game online platform where you could earn more tokens through gameplay. These earned tokens were supposed to be exchangeable for other cryptocurrencies or actual literal money. They called it a play to earn cryptocurrency. The game wasn't out yet, but it was supposed to be right around the corner. Now, I thought this was kind of creative because they could have just came out with a coin and spammed you like the Bridgerton coin. And there's a lot of like popular TV show coins where they're like.

• 44:08Speaker 03

  There's like a Stranger Things coin, Wednesday coin.

• 44:12Laci Mosley?

  They're like, you like this? We got a coin for you. Yes. But I thought this one was like pretty creative because it's like you can play Squid Game now for like real money. Just like they do on the TV show.

• 44:22Speaker 03

  No way. Oh my God, I'm intrigued.

• 44:24Laci Mosley?

  So Squid Coin was an obvious scam from the jump. The website was only three weeks old when the coin launched, and it was filled with bizarre spelling and grammatical errors. Like, this is a quote. I'm not having a stroke. The more people join, the larger reward pool will be.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  Maybe they kept it cryptic to make it like that spooky vibe.

• 44:48Laci Mosley?

  I don't want a spooky vibe with my money.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  But it's Squid Game.

• 44:52Laci Mosley?

  That's why I told you I didn't like that man that they picked the murder man. I was like, I don't want a spooky vibe with my money. Don't spook me with my money.

• 44:59Speaker 03

  It's on brand.

• 45:02Laci Mosley?

  They're like, you'll get really rich, or will you? Die. Damn, I'm gonna die.

• 45:09Laci Mosley?

  I was just gonna say you're gonna be really poor. You're gonna get to the next level with that. That was beautiful. We're die. Those guards, they ain't no joke. They're not. That's crazy, though. Get really rich or die. So, the website hosted at squidgame.cash has disappeared, along with every other social media presence it's set up by the scammers. But there's still an archived version. The internet is forever. I do wanna see squidgame.cash. Yeah, let me see. Cause they not really like, I don't know. Oh, there's a literal squid. There is. And it's not the squid from Squid Game, right? I don't even think they have a single squid motif in Squid Game. Yeah, no, it's just the circles and the triangles and stuff.

• 45:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes, because that's what the game is called, but not the literal squid. They done made an emoji. It's kinda cute, though. Yeah, it is cute. They worked on that. The graphic design team A. Right. I think everybody else is kinda failing, but at least they tried. It says buy squid, buy marbles. Oh, that sounds scary. Chat. Chat, so you can chat with other players. I feel like part of the reason that they'll do like marbles or something like that is to attract children. And you don't realize how much money you're spending because it's converted into something else. Like, I know the girls go up for the what are those bucks, Robux?

• 46:34Laci Mosley?

  That's like, Robux are for essentially kids to ask their parents to buy them coins. The parents don't know any of this? They're just willing, nearly just give them the money? I mean, look, it's not something that you can be evaluated. Like, they sell like plans, and I'm not even gonna hold you, but, okay, maybe I do be falling for scams because there's this game. I'm not gonna say what game it is, but sponsor the show. Cause y'all be getting me. I'm not giving it to you for free. But there's a game, you can figure it out, though, where you just garden and you just do these like little puzzles. And I be running out of garden coins. And I be buying them. Oh, no, I get you. There's this game that I also play that's like these hot 2D anime men.

• 47:19Laci Mosley?

  And if you, you know, buy these coins, you can spend one-on-one time with them and go on these

• 47:24Speaker 03

  Little dates and intimate moments with them.

• 47:27Laci Mosley?

  Meanwhile, I just know this is a 56 year old woman in Kentucky.

• 47:32Laci Mosley?

  And I'm not any, mine is not better, mine is worse because at least you can like spend time and do stuff in the app. All I'm doing is like, wow, I can get this garden supreme package for a hundred dollars. After I use all of the coins and all of the boosters, I don't get anything.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Yes, to be, have the best garden.

• 47:50Laci Mosley?

  That's true. I have fun.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  That happiness.

• 47:53Laci Mosley?

  For entertainment. You know what?

• 47:55Speaker 03

  Whatever makes you happy. Life is too short. You never know when Squid Game's gonna get you.

• 48:00Laci Mosley?

  You know what? Look at me. I was shaming myself and you brought me back. So thank you for that. So, all of this stuff has disappeared from this very good looking website that I would for sure give money to. At least my, my scam site puts a little investment in, but they do have a cute squid.

• 48:15Speaker 03

  I want to know the difference between buy squid versus buy marbles.

• 48:19Laci Mosley?

  I think marbles is one of those things where they just give you an evaluation for it. And it's like you get this many marbles for this much money.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  Okay, but did y'all not see the marbles game in the show? That was like a game of betrayal.

• 48:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's true. I don't know how clearly they watched the show. I think they were just like, shooting and game.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  It's one big gamble, so it makes sense.

• 48:39Laci Mosley?

  And they didn't, I don't think they did any critical thinking here. It's not given critical thinking. So Squid Game's Telegram channel, set up by the unknown scammers, didn't allow comments from outsiders. And the Twitter account made it impossible for anyone to reply to posts. Here again. Telegram, I'm not giving nobody money unless I know I'm doing crime. Telegram is for like, oh, I need to buy acid.

• 49:03Laci Mosley?

  And we both know what we're doing here. That's very specific. I realize that. It wasn't me buying the acid.

• 49:10Speaker 03

  I was like, okay, deep dark stuff.

• 49:13Laci Mosley?

  But I'm just saying, that's what people use. Telegram is where our fricking government, no, they go on Signal. And our fricking government puts out war plans like idiots. But they think it's like dark enough and cryptic enough that people aren't gonna find it. They just accidentally added the wrong guy.

• 49:28Speaker 03

  That's what they always say.

• 49:31Laci Mosley?

  Right. But so these are not, like, this isn't like, WhatsApp can be definitely scammy. But WhatsApp can also just be a place where you talk to people in foreign countries. But Telegram and Signal, sponsor the show. Great for crime.

• 49:45Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 49:46Laci Mosley?

  And also legit stuff that gets happening on there.

• 49:54Laci Mosley?

  Oh no, I tried. So one watchdog website posted a warning that Squidcoin was clearly inspired by the Netflix show but was likely to be affiliated, or sorry, was unlikely to be affiliated with the intellectual property. Most importantly, people who bought the coin couldn't sell it, which is not good in terms of being a functional currency. Because they want you to buy it and have to hold on to it. And then, once enough people buy it, they take their larger shares out. Right. And then everybody's is worth nothing. Stuck cold in the bag. Mm-hmm. Or no bag. So, plenty of people, though, didn't get the warning in time. So there were people like, hey y'all, this is a scam.

• 50:35Laci Mosley?

  But the squid cryptocurrency peaked at a price of $2,861 before plummeting to zero a week after it launched. Two thousand... So, one squid coin would be worth $2,861. Wow. So let's say you have 10. You already have over $20,000. Wow. Let's say you bought 100 and you bought it for cheap. Like, you know what I mean? Like, this is real money that people probably lost. And if you got in on the squid thing at the baseline, you probably were making a huge profit. So users had noticed wallet activities suggesting the token's alleged developers had terminated

• 51:17Laci Mosley?

  the project before its heavily-publicized online game had even launched. So the game that they promised people, that probably made people be like, oh, this is legit? Like, this is gonna be like Roblox or like my garden thing or like your go-on-a-date. My sexy-tooty men. Yes. Like, they're thinking they're about to be on the next bag. And that helps even more. But they cashed out $3 million worth of the Binance token coins that the creators had cashed out and ghosted. Basically, so, remember, Squidcoin can be turned into other, more legitimate coins that are worth money. Binance is still somewhat of a legitimate coin. So they had converted it into another coin. I'm talking like this because it's killing me inside.

• 52:00Laci Mosley?

  This coin turned into another coin, and that coin became this coin. And then, yes. And then the creators cashed out and ghosted. They wiped out a six, like, $6 billion in market value within 15 minutes.

• 52:16Laci Mosley?

  Because remember, if everybody's coin was worth exactly what they held it for, then they would have made money too. But since the people with the largest coins took their coins away,

• 52:28Speaker 03

  Pulled the rug.

• 52:29Laci Mosley?

  It devalued market value for all these other people. So they didn't steal $6 billion, but they lost all of these people a collective amount of $6 billion. So this kind of theft, commonly called a rug pull, which I mentioned earlier, it's done by crypto investors and it happens when the creator of the crypto quickly cashes out on the coin for real money, draining the liquidity pool from the exchange. These are also called pump and dump crypto scams.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  Familiar with those.

• 52:57Laci Mosley?

  Not the scam type, oh lord. I hope it wasn't a scam.

• 53:04Laci Mosley?

  The eye contact that you're making right now, girl.

• 53:08Laci Mosley?

  And we're gonna leave that there. So Squid Game Season 2 referenced the real life rug pull on the show. Did you see that? They they referenced the crypto coin and how it's like.

• 53:19Speaker 03

  Oh my god, no, okay, it's all making sense to me now.

• 53:24Laci Mosley?

  That just blew my mind too, because it was that one guy who they were all trying to beat up.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  MG Coin, the YouTuber dude, yes, he's cute.

• 53:32Laci Mosley?

  He is cute. I felt so bad every time they were trying to beat him up and did beat him up.

• 53:37Speaker 03

  I mean, well, he's kind of warranted. He's a.

• 53:40Laci Mosley?

  He did a bad thing.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  Baby daddy, ran away from his pregnant girlfriend.

• 53:44Laci Mosley?

  Right. He was just a bad dude all around. He was so cute, that's why we kept watching him. It made it worth it. I wanted to see the good in him because I saw it in his face.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  Maybe we'll find out.

• 53:58Laci Mosley?

  So it was referenced in the Squid Game that came out in 2024. I didn't even put that together.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  No, literally, the minute you said that, I was like, oh, that makes so much sense. They're getting a lot of inspiration from real life with the coin, with me.

• 54:09Laci Mosley?

  With you, you weren't a scam, but the coin was, okay?

• 54:13Speaker 03

  I was scammed of my screen time.

• 54:15Laci Mosley?

  Big facts, big facts, cuz it could have just been you. No shade to that actor, but um.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  Netflix hit me up.

• 54:22Laci Mosley?

  Could have just had an actress who could play it, so.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  I can speak Korean, Anya Seo.

• 54:28Laci Mosley?

  Listen, bow, bow, bow, right there, right there. That's all we're saying, okay? The second season of Squid Game came out at the end of 2024, and the third and final season is scheduled to be released in June of this year. So, we just talked about this. The crypto scammer who rug pulled his fictional coin, uh, oh, it was actually called Dalmatian, and screwed over the other players on the island, possibly as a reference to what happened with Squid Coin in real life.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  That makes so much sense. Now I'm like, mind blown.

• 54:57Laci Mosley?

  I am too. That was like a real, like, full circle moment, because I just thought crypto scammer, this makes sense, but they were also referencing the scammers who did them dirty. But only in this one, the scammers came out okay. I don't know who they are.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 55:14Laci Mosley?

  I didn't hear nothing about prison in here.

• 55:18Laci Mosley?

  Sounds like.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  The Squid Game is the prison.

• 55:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, but I don't think that, I think that Mr. Dalmatian Coin, who was so cute and evil, he had to go to prison. He had to go to, you know, um, kindergarten prison for his life. But we don't know who these crypto scammers were.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Oh, they're anonymous.

• 55:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 55:37Laci Mosley?

  And they took their coins and they dipped.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  So had we known, we'd go after them like the characters in the show.

• 55:43Laci Mosley?

  But we'll never know.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Oh my god. That's spooky.

• 55:46Laci Mosley?

  We'll never know. It is spooky, see? And I knew something was spooky about them using the evil one for Squid Game and not the good one.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  The evil coin.

• 55:55Laci Mosley?

  Oh, man, that's, honestly, this one's a little bit of a bummer to me, because I hate to see people get scammed out of, no pun intended here, their coins. But it's also hilarious to me that they got away.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  With like, no trace.

• 56:07Laci Mosley?

  No trace. That money is gone. And there were flags.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  Oh, and it's not like a tam.

• 56:12Laci Mosley?

  Tangible thing where you can, oh my god. And that's the thing about crypto that is so scary is like you can send money back and forth. And there are ways where it's untraceable. Like if I Venmo you, the government can find out that I've Venmo'd you. But if I clean money through crypto and I do enough little, you know, huh, tricks, I'm just gonna call it to be simple because I'm not gonna explain the blockchain. But, but like you can get away with shrouding money and just keeping it. And these people did. They're probably gonna yacht somewhere right now. Without us? Without us. The fuck? I know. So sad, but alright Kevin, well that brings us to

• 56:56Laci Mosley?

  a segment that we sometimes and sometimes do not do, which is a scam for all of you out there who listen to this podcast faithfully. But I tell y'all I'm getting it back. Okay, so we have a scammer of the week. This is where we highlight a charlatan that may or may not be worthy of our praise. And I want to do this scammer of the week because they're called the Wire Fraud Priests. And I think it really ties into our spiritual, very much not a scam. Nope. Church that we may or may not be starting if I can convince you. Emphasizing on that, yeah. Yes. Oh my god, we love empathy so much. Do we love that as a coin name? Ooh. Where do we put the dollar sign? Empa- this.

• 57:41Laci Mosley?

  Not with that snake sound. No, no, it sounds scammy. On the E, I don't know. Sympathy. Ooh. I just wanna, oh, that's Symphony. Yeah. Oh, Symphony is good too. Like it's like a symphony, a coffin that says we rise from the ashes of, of scams. We'll have to workshop that. Yeah, we'll do that later. So, Wire Fraud Priest, a California pastor and former city council candidate, has been arrested on an 11-count federal indictment for allegedly defrauding friends and a nonprofit over more hundred and, I'm sorry, for over more than $230,000. He's a former priest.

• 58:21Laci Mosley?

  And he got all this money from his friends and a nonprofit, which is wild because churches technically are nonprofits, which is why I'm really trying to start one.

• 58:32Laci Mosley?

  But I'm a prophet, the community will profit from my charity. Listen, it's all gonna be in the leaflet and then people will get on board.

• 58:39Speaker 03

  It's gonna circulate to everybody, not just you.

• 58:41Laci Mosley?

  So for four years, Terrence Owens Elliott, oh no, he sounds black. Tony Elliott, well, priests be Italian a lot too. Let me see a picture. Misrepresenting himself as an affiliate of the San Bernardino City Government and Police Department to defraud long-term friends. Damn it, he's black, I knew he was so black.

• 59:03Laci Mosley?

  The name was a dead giveaway. Oh my goodness.

• 59:07Speaker 03

  She said, "My people."

• 59:08Laci Mosley?

  He not, my people, and my people, why, he don't even got on the collar in this. You look like you were attorney with like bus bench ads, Tony. It's not even giving Christ like.

• 59:18Speaker 03

  He looks scary.

• 59:19Laci Mosley?

  He does look scary. Okay, he could probably preach that fire and brimstone part of the Bible real good though. That's when he really gets the crowd galvanized, cuz they're terrified. And then he shakes them down. Oh no. So Tony convinced one victim who identified as MC, in quotes, to place inheritance funds in a trust that it would claim to protect her Medicare and, I'm sorry, her Medicare and social security benefits. That sounds so convoluted. How am I putting money in a trust to protect government benefits? Basically, I think he's saying that he was like, oh, you should put your Medicare and your social security in this trust so that you can have it for later.

• 1:00:02Laci Mosley?

  So it's coming from the government and you probably worked your whole life for it, but put it in this trust so that it's safe.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  Hmm, that's what we think.

• 1:00:11Laci Mosley?

  Cuz you know, the bank not so safe.

• 1:00:18Laci Mosley?

  So he then appointed himself as co-trustee, surprise, surprise, but fraudulently altered the trust agreement to gain sole financial control. Tony used trust funds to pay personal expenses, including vehicle repairs, clothing, and a church's rent. Damn, he paying the church rent with the trust? Like, aren't you supposed to get tithes? So after MC died, Tony falsely-

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  Oh, he passed away?

• 1:00:46Laci Mosley?

  So MC was the victim and MC went to meet the Lord, who Tony never met and never will. So Tony falsely claimed after MC died, court approval was needed to release the trust and tricked another victim, WH in quotes, into covering eight thousand six hundred and fifteen dollars in funeral expenses. So Tony also defrauded churches and nonprofits using a similar scheme. So basically, when MC passed away, then he tricked another victim and was like, hey, the trust won't let me release these funds to pay for MC's funeral. I need you to give me almost ten thousand dollars to pay for the funeral. Then I'm gonna get you back. In his name. Amen.

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  Amen.

• 1:01:34Laci Mosley?

  A scam. So he's also defrauded all the girls in the community. And if convicted, he would face a statutory maximum sentence of twenty years in federal prison for each count, which he deserves. Put him under the jail. And I don't even believe in the prison system.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  Gag it. Gag it.

• 1:01:52Laci Mosley?

  So Tony ran for city council seat in 2022, a bid that was not only unsuccessful, but brought to light criminal conventions and civil lawsuits against him. So mind you, the crimes that he was doing, he'd already had charges brought up against him, but he hadn't gone to jail yet. And he thought he was gonna run for city council.

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  I think the F now.

• 1:02:14Laci Mosley?

  And then decide that he was innocent. He was gonna be like, we investigated me and we decided I'm innocent.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  Sure, that's how it works.

• 1:02:23Laci Mosley?

  You know how the police be doing their own internal investigations? I'm always like, how you gonna investigate yourself? If I investigate me, I'm always gonna be innocent. I'm like, we looked into me.

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  They allow that?

• 1:02:32Laci Mosley?

  I'm on the up and up.

• 1:02:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes, a lot of things don't make sense in our society. They're like, we have a separate individual board who does all of the investigations, who doesn't have any interest in making sure that everything goes away.

• 1:02:47Speaker 03

  That's a conflict of interest.

• 1:02:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it truly is. And there's Tony running for city council, honestly, based.

• 1:02:57Laci Mosley?

  He picked up Mayor Eric Adams' book or pamphlet or whatever that hookah man be smoking that he has written, maybe one of his videos and was like, let me try this plan. And if you haven't, maybe I'll include this in the Instagram too, but I think we've shown this before, but if you haven't seen that video of Eric Adams telling parents how to find drug paraphernalia in their room, in their kid's room, it's so gold. Like, if I watched that, I would also run for mayor of New York, because I'm like, this is an unserious job. Like, anyone can do it. And it should be me, because why not?

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  So, we could add that. We could be mayor and cult leaders.

• 1:03:33Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Okay, stop saying cult. It's not a cult. It's a spiritual confinement. Okay, that sounds like you're not gonna be free.

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  Confinement.

• 1:03:43Laci Mosley?

  It's a spiritual cohort.

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:03:47Laci Mosley?

  Yes, of like-minded people.

• 1:03:49Speaker 03

  That sounds happier.

• 1:03:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And their brains are like, because maybe they got a little scrub, but... You see, I'm sorry, I think I'm starting to get you, Kevin. I'm starting to get you.

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  I'm convinced.

• 1:04:02Laci Mosley?

  But that brings us to the end of a fantastic episode. We always ask here, and first, thank you so much for being here and for sitting through so much Bitcoin conversation. I am so sorry.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  Intriguing.

• 1:04:12Laci Mosley?

  I owe you a favor for that.

• 1:04:14Speaker 03

  You owe me a Bitcoin.

• 1:04:16Laci Mosley?

  I do. Those are very expensive, for now. But thank you so much. You're so strong. You're one of our bravest. But we always ask, where would you like to be found, where people can follow you, obviously, like your YouTube's and everything that you're doing right now?

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  You can all find me on my YouTube channel, TikTok, and Instagram, all at FlawlessKevin.

• 1:04:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so we love when the brand is strong.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  I know. I'm so smart for thinking of that 10, 13 years ago.

• 1:04:42Laci Mosley?

  You really were, because I thought I was smart of having Scam Goddess, the book, the TV show, and podcast, but you were way ahead of me. Like, way. Maybe I was inspired by you.

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  Period. This is why we're gonna be a good duo.

• 1:04:55Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. You see, already so inspirational. And y'all, as always, you can find me at ScamGoddessPod, if you want to see these photos, or ScamGoddessPod on Instagram, or Twitter, if you want to chat with me. ScamGoddessPod on Instagram to see the photos. ScamGoddessPod on Twitter, if you want to see what we're doing. And then me personally, D I V A L A C I D, Velaci, on all platforms. And y'all, you can watch all the episodes of Scam Goddess on Hulu right now. You can also stream the first season of Going Dutch. We are coming back for season two. Woo, woo. Oh, and my book, available everywhere books are sold, including audiobook. So, you know, at least consume something of me today. Consume me. Consume me. Congregation. Consume me. Oh.

• 1:05:42Laci Mosley?

  Amen. Okay, so it needs something to be less nasty. Yummy.

• 1:05:50Laci Mosley?

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