Pod Insights Scam Goddess Heartwashed By His Con Mum w/ Jessi Klein & Liz Feldman About this episode This week, Laci welcomes Jessi Klein and Liz Feldman from the Here To Make Friends podcast, who share about being victim to the latest Toll Road scam. Then, Laci takes the gals down the winding road of today's Historic Hoodwink following a Con-Mum who scammed her own son, which leaves Jessi and Liz speechless. Stay scheming’!
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Research by Kathryn Doyle
SOURCES
https://www.netflix.com/title/81708174
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c14xn65vg2yo
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/mar/22/does-she-love-me-no-is-she-capable-of-love-no-my-mother-the-con-artist
https://www.eonline.com/news/1415921/netflixs-con-mum-where-graham-hornigold-is-now
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2:51 Laci Mosley? What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. But congregation, stand all up in the pews. Amen, amen, amen. Who got their white gloves on? Okay, cute, cute. I hope you didn't get them off from one of them China websites because you pay tariffs on them gloves. All right. Now, y'all already know that I'm what? Yes, excited, elated. We have two guests, not one, but two gal boss guests on the show. One is a writer, actress, stand-up comedian, and producer. You might know her from Inside Amy Schumer. Yeah, Dead to Me and Transparent.
3:35 Laci Mosley? And the other is an American comedian, writer, producer, and director. She's best known as the creator and executive producer of the Netflix dark comedy series Dead to Me and No Good Deed. All of these shows are so poppin'. I know you've heard of all of them. I don't even have to really, ew. Together now, look, now they're getting like Thanos and collecting all the Infinity Stones. And they're working together on a new podcast called Here to Make Friends, a show where the hosts celebrate longstanding friendships and attempt to make new ones in adulthood, which we all know is very hard. We don't have a playground, girl. And let me tell you, that is not always so easy, right? Like, like I'm just saying. But I hope that I can be like a new friend with you both.
4:18 Speaker 05 Oh, my God. This is the dream.
4:20 Laci Mosley? This is my scam. This is my scam.
4:22 Speaker 05 Oh, we're the scammers. This is a long con that we have made. It's a short con. Just be our friend.
4:29 Laci Mosley? Just be our friend. I am in. I'm down.
4:32 Speaker 05 Okay, the con is over.
4:33 Laci Mosley? We were kiki-ing before this, and I'm like, can I just tell you a little bit of my story? My trauma before. He started like, y'all, y'all just have friendly faces. Y'all got me very quick.
4:41 Speaker 05 No, we're here, we're here for a trauma box.
4:42 Laci Mosley? I couldn't be more excited to welcome the gal bosses to the congregation. Okay, listen, we, we got new, they can wear hats in the church. Okay, we're talking front pew, wearing hats, baddie bosses, okay? Our new welcoming doors usher in, mm, Jesse Klein and Liz Feldman to the show and to the congregation.
5:05 Speaker 06 Thank you.
5:06 Laci Mosley? Yes.
5:06 Speaker 06 Oh my gosh, we're so happy to be here.
5:08 Speaker 05 Let me first just thank you for saying that I'm American.
5:11 Laci Mosley? I know, Liz got identified as the American comedian.
5:14 Speaker 05 I, you know what?
5:15 Laci Mosley? Are you Canadian?
5:16 Speaker 05 God, no. I wish I was, but I think what maybe happened is that was off my Wikipedia page. I'm gonna blame my own assistant.
5:24 Laci Mosley? Wait, where are you from?
5:25 Speaker 05 Oh, I'm American, but it was just funny to be called an American.
5:28 Laci Mosley? Cause you didn't say that I was an American comedian, but I too am American, but the point is, we all would love to be Canadian right now.
5:34 Speaker 05 But I wish I was, was Canadian.
5:36 Laci Mosley? Okay, I'm confused. Not, not you actually being American and then being like, well, why would you describe me that way?
5:43 Laci Mosley? It's just like, when I go to Europe, I, the girls don't need to know I'm American, unless I'm a French.
5:47 Speaker 06 We're keeping it.
5:47 Laci Mosley? Then they can know I'm American because I'll beat the French's asses. Y'all know I have beef with the French. I, I have let go of my Brazilian beef, y'all are fine, but the French, y'all can get it.
5:56 Speaker 05 Oh, wow, what the French do?
5:58 Laci Mosley? They're rude for no reason. Everybody knows on this podcast, like, it's annoying.
6:01 Speaker 06 They are rude for no reason.
6:03 Laci Mosley? Be rude with a purpose. If you gotta get somewhere, if you, you're lost or you're tired, okay, I get that. You're, you're just being blunt, but French people are rude for no reason. They wanna hurt your feelings. They look deep in your eyes while they insult you for no reason. And I'm like, I'm sorry, like.
6:16 Speaker 06 I'm with you on the French beef.
6:17 Laci Mosley? You're making me wanna do violence to you, and I guess that's the American in me, but like, don't do that.
6:22 Speaker 05 I'm just afraid to say anything about any foreign country in case I need to seek refuge there.
6:26 Speaker 06 I know, we are gonna be trying to get our visas.
6:29 Laci Mosley? They're not gonna let us in over there anyway. And I had a nasty coat. I had on a cute outfit. I was eating them bitches up and they were doing that. No.
6:37 Speaker 06 Still giving you the eye, the evil eye.
6:39 Laci Mosley? No, I'm just gonna go live in Ireland if I have to. Listen, they're the only white people who know about struggle. Those are my favorite white people, okay? That potato haven't happened, they ain't. Let that shit go ever.
6:47 Speaker 06 No.
6:48 Laci Mosley? Period.
6:48 Speaker 06 They will never let you forget.
6:49 Laci Mosley? Sometimes I be at work, they serve us poke bowls and there be some potatoes on the side. I'm like, why are potatoes on the side of the poke bowl? They serve it with every meal, breakfast, you got, I got fruit and oatmeal. They like, here's, here's some potatoes. I didn't ask for it. They were like, no.
7:01 Speaker 06 They love them.
7:01 Laci Mosley? We got potatoes now and you're gonna eat them with every meal.
7:03 Speaker 06 They love them so much.
7:05 Laci Mosley? So, let's just, um, we always ask to start this podcast, what is your relationship to scams? It could be anything. You love them, you hate them, you run a scam, you've been in a scam, pass the statute of limitations. We don't want the F to be in the eye, knocking on your door. But it could be anything and either of you can start.
7:21 Speaker 05 I mean, my relationship is, um, tight, I would say. Because, yeah, I, I am into a scam.
7:27 Laci Mosley? You linked up, okay.
7:28 Speaker 05 I just, I like a white collar crime. I really do.
7:32 Laci Mosley? Okay.
7:33 Speaker 05 Maybe it's because I grew up in Brooklyn, you know, in sort of mafia country. Um, but I do, I, I just appreciate anybody that can get away with something. I don't know why, I just do. I like when people get away with shit.
7:45 Laci Mosley? I do too. And like, sometimes we do talk about scammers who are on the lam. So like, if they're still on the lam, that's kinda cunty to me. I'm like, okay, you better run from the law.
7:53 Speaker 05 Yes.
7:53 Laci Mosley? As long as you were doing something that wasn't harming everyday people.
7:57 Speaker 05 Exactly. I'm talking about nonviolent, you know, sort of.
7:59 Laci Mosley? Nonviolent, but also non, like punching down. Like if you're scamming people who really need their money, but if you're scamming corporations, we all know they robbing us, so.
8:06 Speaker 06 A scam of equal or above.
8:08 Speaker 05 Yeah, exactly.
8:09 Speaker 06 Never scam down.
8:10 Speaker 05 That I'm interested in. But I, but I also have been victim to a scam, which was less fun and.
8:16 Laci Mosley? And what was that?
8:17 Speaker 05 Well, I was one of those toll bitches.
8:19 Laci Mosley? Okay.
8:22 Laci Mosley? Toll bitches is crazy.
8:23 Speaker 05 You know, I mean, but here's, they got me so good because it was.
8:26 Laci Mosley? Wait, now, wait, you gotta, before you get to how they got you, I need you to define what a toll bitch is.
8:32 Speaker 05 You know, but I'll tell you. So, you know, there's a scam where you get a text message, right?
8:36 Laci Mosley? Mm-hmm.
8:37 Speaker 05 And it's like, you just drove through a toll.
8:39 Laci Mosley? Mm-hmm.
8:40 Speaker 05 Click on this link and pay, you know, the, whatever it is, the twenty dollars, whatever it is, the, the fee.
8:46 Laci Mosley? They're like, we scanned your license plate, bitch. We got you. So give us the money.
8:49 Speaker 05 So here's what's crazy. I was actually on a toll road when I received the toll text.
8:57 Speaker 05 And it was, and speaking about, you know, punching down, it was during the fires. So we were literally like.
9:03 Speaker 06 The ultimate punch down.
9:04 Laci Mosley? Were you evacuating?
9:06 Speaker 05 We were evacuating.
9:07 Speaker 06 So fucked up.
9:09 Speaker 05 So go fuck yourselves a little bit.
9:11 Laci Mosley? But can I say this though, if you were evacuating, then the least of my worries would be the motherfucking toll people. I'd be like, fuck y'all. Like, I don't have a home.
9:18 Speaker 05 But we were on such like high alert, my wife and I both, that when I, she, you know, I was like, alright, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take the toll road. And you know, do you just, here, don't forget to pay it on the website. And I don't, you know, like.
9:29 Speaker 06 I like that this is being screamed as you're fleeing from flames. Don't forget to pay on the website.
9:33 Speaker 05 Exactly.
9:34 Laci Mosley? Not the tolls. Not the tolls. Your house might be burning down, but you're still worried about the tolls.
9:38 Speaker 05 And, and thank God my house was okay, but.
9:41 Laci Mosley? Thank God. But it's wild to me though, that I was not in LA when this was happening. I'm still like, I hope my house is there when I get back. You are leaving from your house. You very much know it might be in danger. Thank God it wasn't.
9:52 Speaker 05 It was okay, yeah.
9:53 Laci Mosley? And you were spared. But you still are a responsible enough citizen to be like, oh, we can't have this toll.
9:58 Speaker 06 It's so Liz. Liz is such a responsible, good citizen.
10:02 Speaker 05 I love a scam. I would never do one. I don't have the conscience for it. I'm, I'm, my like neutral state is high anxiety. You know, I, I can't, I can't like get away with anything because I won't sleep at night. And my wife even more so, like she, I describe her as the most decent person I know. She's like entirely too decent.
10:19 Laci Mosley? Two decent's marrying each other? Crazy.
10:22 Speaker 06 It's good plus good equals incredible.
10:24 Laci Mosley? Yeah, it is.
10:25 Speaker 05 I apologize.
10:26 Laci Mosley? Although I'm like, I need like devious. If you're out there and you're devious.
10:30 Speaker 06 Devious.
10:31 Speaker 05 That's because you're a high millennial.
10:33 Laci Mosley? You know what? I knew Liz was not gonna let that go. I knew she was not gonna let that shit go. It is specific. I'm sorry. I was a baby during on 11. I was, I knew that what happened though. I was watching Telemundo. They tell you everything. If you ever wrote a real tea, Telemundo. But so, they hit you up and they're like, "Hey girlie pop, you just ran this toll, you owe us $20."
10:55 Speaker 05 And I mean, look, literally, I had just been on the toll road.
10:58 Speaker 06 In fairness, in fairness to you.
11:00 Laci Mosley? Well, it's a wide fish. They're not gonna catch everyone, but they know some of y'all gonna be on the toll road.
11:05 Speaker 05 Well, they caught this fucking guppy.
11:06 Speaker 06 This guppy got fished on the toll road.
11:08 Laci Mosley? I don't even think that's guppy. Like, that's also them knowing that there is a tragedy happening where everyone's tra- like, traveling.
11:15 Speaker 06 Yeah, and no one's double checking. People are not double checking.
11:18 Laci Mosley? Anytime there's not a door, scammers are looking for a window. So even during COVID, they were setting up a tent that they got from Home Depot and putting Q-ta- like, Q-tip swabs up people's noses and telling them they were testing for COVID for $200. Anytime there's an opportunity for scammers to gain, they're always opening new win- that's why scamming will never go away.
11:34 Speaker 05 Well, that's why this podcast is genius.
11:37 Speaker 06 And there were people, there were the, like, COVID testers.
11:40 Laci Mosley? You got selling it, and then you got scamming it, right after.
11:42 Speaker 06 There were people who were COVID testing just in a booth that was like, it kind of looked like a scam, but people were so desperate. But then there was also that, like, major COVID testing place. Where were we all going?
11:53 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
11:53 Speaker 06 Clear Hell, or whatever the hell it was called?
11:55 Speaker 05 Yes.
11:56 Speaker 06 That also turned out to be a scam.
11:58 Laci Mosley? They had a good name.
11:59 Speaker 06 Same day.
12:00 Laci Mosley? Clear?
12:01 Speaker 06 No, same day.
12:02 Speaker 05 No, no, no, it was same day health.
12:03 Speaker 06 It was same day health, and it turned out like...
12:05 Speaker 05 Full scam.
12:05 Speaker 06 Half of their-
12:06 Laci Mosley? Same day health. You know, health is never coming the same day.
12:10 Speaker 05 Exactly.
12:11 Speaker 06 Well, you were paying to get that same day.
12:13 Laci Mosley? You certainly were. I go to the doctor, and they're like, "Oh, it's gonna be a week till you get your blood results." Like, same day.
12:19 Speaker 05 That should've been our first clue.
12:21 Speaker 06 That should've been the first clue.
12:22 Speaker 05 But they were basically just telling some people, "Yeah, you're negative," but they never ran their blood.
12:26 Speaker 06 They were basically magic eight balling whether you had COVID or not.
12:30 Laci Mosley? All everybody wanted was a negative. Anything that you're getting tested for where the positive is bad, all you want is a negative.
12:35 Speaker 06 Yeah, I will, I will pay hundreds of dollars to get that same day negative, which was apparently meaningless.
12:42 Speaker 05 Meaningless.
12:42 Speaker 06 Anyway, sorry, the tolls.
12:44 Laci Mosley? No, so, so you're on the freeway, you're, you're, you're evading the foul, like, the fire.
12:49 Speaker 05 I'm evading the fire. I have my two-year-old in the backseat, you know, things are-
12:52 Laci Mosley? Oh, no, no, the baby.
12:53 Speaker 06 High stakes.
12:54 Speaker 05 The baby's there. I mean, it was like a high stakes, you know, high anxiety situation. Then we get the text and I honestly felt relieved because then now we don't have to like fish for the website and figure it out and pay it. And so I wasn't thinking clearly, obviously.
13:09 Laci Mosley? It's a despot meter. You're in a desperate situation.
13:11 Speaker 05 Exactly.
13:12 Laci Mosley? And that's when you're least likely to make like that pause. I always say in life, no matter what's happening, you at least have 45 seconds.
13:21 Speaker 05 Yeah.
13:21 Laci Mosley? You know, if it's like, oh, we have to pull the plug on a level one. You got 45 seconds. I ain't gonna die 45 seconds. Like if, if it's a situation where they're telling you you're in dire straits, you at least have 45 seconds to process slowly all the information that they've given you and decide if this is true or not. But when you're in a high intense pressure situation like that, you're just already just solving problems as quickly as you can because you don't want to surmount more problems because you already have huge problems.
13:47 Speaker 05 Exactly. Exactly. Thank you for understanding.
13:49 Laci Mosley? Yes.
13:49 Speaker 05 And so this is where I should have known that I was being scammed. I put my credit card in.
13:55 Laci Mosley? Oh.
13:56 Speaker 05 Yep. Yep, yep, yep, yep. And they were, oh, sorry, there's an issue. Try another card.
14:00 Laci Mosley? Oh.
14:02 Speaker 05 Guys, I want to run screaming out of this building because I'm so embarrassed that I fell for this.
14:06 Laci Mosley? No, listen, this is a place where we erase shame because when people get ashamed of the scams that they've fallen for, they don't share the information and then those scammers continue doing what they're doing and proliferating the same plot and scheme. So this is a safe space. I've been scammed. A lot of my listeners have been scammed. We try to avoid scams in the future. This is no shade. If you watch my television show, you'll realize it's all about erasing shame. We don't, like, you're good.
14:32 Speaker 05 I appreciate it. I appreciate it.
14:32 Laci Mosley? You're honestly being a blessing right now to people.
14:35 Speaker 05 I appreciate that. I really do. I just like, you know, again, that Brooklyn girl in me is like, how did I fall for it?
14:41 Laci Mosley? I feel like, uh, because you were running away from fire.
14:43 Speaker 05 Oh, thank you. I know.
14:45 Speaker 06 But I do feel like as a New York City person, which we both are.
14:48 Speaker 05 Yes.
14:48 Speaker 06 There is that feeling of like, nobody fucks with us.
14:51 Speaker 05 Exactly.
14:51 Speaker 06 We don't fall for this fucking shit. And yet.
14:54 Speaker 05 And yet, here we are.
14:55 Laci Mosley? But have y'all realized the other side? You don't expose yourself to a much of like the shit because you don't engage. So then how would you know what the shit looks like? Cause you're not engaging. So then when a fire is threatening your home and you running away with your baby and your partner. Yes, that is a ripe time for scamming. Honestly, they just got lucky because I'm pretty sure they probably sent that text out to a lot of different people. And so they're fishing. And so they just got lucky because there was a tragedy happening. A lot of my friends and family, like people lost their homes, lost everything. And, and people were like, oh, well, the rich people lost their homes, like eat the rich. And yes, like, let's put some tahin on the, the mega rich. But there was a lot of people who lost homes that they worked for, who are not out here siphoning the money out of corporations and taking government welfare and ruining our lives.
15:40 Laci Mosley? There was a lot of people who just lost their homes because they're in the wrong area. And now the insurance scam is that they won't even cover homes in that area. The places you need the insurance the most, the girls are like, actually, we can't do that because this is a Ponzi scheme. And y'all not Ponzi-ing hard enough because y'all keep wanting to get the money out of the Ponzi scheme. But so you're, you're driving away, you got your two-year-old, you got your partner. And they hit you up, they say, okay, wrong credit card, this one's not working, we need another card. What happens?
16:04 Speaker 05 Well, I think you see where this is going, guys. I put in another credit card, that one also, now I'm panicked. Now I'm like, I'll never be able to pay this toll because I'm a schmuck who is falling for this scam. I send the, the, the phone to my wife and I go, try one of yours.
16:23 Speaker 06 Oh my, so you literally just kept feeding every credit card that you guys have.
16:27 Laci Mosley? With you, they were like, oh, send another one, send another one.
16:30 Speaker 06 That's ballsy as a scammer too, to not be like, okay, we got one credit card, let's get in and get out.
16:35 Laci Mosley? But if they're fishing, but here's the thing, if they're fishing, they're probably not working alone. And if they have multiple cards, they're gonna probably try to hit them all at once.
16:42 Speaker 06 I mean, it's just a ballsy move is all I'm saying.
16:45 Speaker 05 And, and so she did.
16:47 Laci Mosley? Scamming is like being at the casino, when you hot, you hot, you gotta bet.
16:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, you're right. Cherry, cherry, cherry.
16:52 Speaker 06 You know what it is? I'm not smart enough to play any other games. Like, I don't know how to play, like, do any gambling. So when I go-
17:00 Laci Mosley? There's too many episodes about me teaching people how to gamble at this point. But I could take you to Vegas and make you wanna-
17:05 Speaker 06 I mean-
17:05 Laci Mosley? Now they're friends, now they're friends, Vegas, baby! Jesse, Jesse, you got that new beginner's flag.
17:10 Speaker 06 I, oh my god, I'm just blowing on my dice, that's a move, right?
17:15 Laci Mosley? Yes, but anyway, everybody who listens to this podcast already knows about it. I swear I don't have a gambling problem, you can only gamble in Vegas, okay?
17:22 Speaker 06 Well, now that you've gamble- I mean, we might need to give some of this money to poor Liz, who apparently gave it away to the toll scammers.
17:27 Speaker 05 Yes, so, so they, you know, I mean, we're, you know, we escaped for a few days and literally on my way back to LA, once we knew our house was okay, I started getting alerts, like, being like, "Did you purchase, you know, $600 worth of, like, gift cards from Best Buy?"
17:46 Speaker 06 And you're like, "I don't think I did."
17:49 Speaker 05 And here's the thing, like, that's not even a good scam. Like, come on, that's the best they can do?
17:54 Speaker 06 I, yeah.
17:55 Laci Mosley? Honestly, it low-key kind of is, because gift cards are untraceable. So, once they have the money on a gift card, then that's cash everywhere else that they go. And it's not traced back to the card that they stole it from.
18:07 Speaker 06 Oh, wow, you really know stuff, you really know stuff.
18:09 Speaker 05 If you were actually running the biggest scam ring in the world, because you know all about it. This is what you should do next.
18:15 Laci Mosley? Now you're motivating me to scam people!
18:17 Speaker 06 I know, she's like, "Honey, I'm doing it right now."
18:19 Speaker 05 Yeah, she's like, "What do you think this is?"
18:21 Speaker 06 Yeah, "Why do you think you had to sign in at the desk?"
18:25 Laci Mosley? Wow, not these air quotes. Your cell phone!
18:29 Speaker 06 Whatever, I'm making it so hot. I will say, the last time I had my credit card information bamboozled away from me, the way I found out was I got an alert from Expedia, which said, "Time to board your flight to Paris." And I was like-
18:46 Speaker 05 It's those French people, I'm telling you.
18:48 Speaker 06 The French, they fucking got me.
18:51 Speaker 05 That's rough.
18:52 Speaker 06 But I was like, "I really don't think I'm, I don't think I remember buying a trip to Paris."
18:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, you'd remember something like that.
18:57 Speaker 06 Yeah, I sure didn't.
18:58 Laci Mosley? So, they got two of your cards and one of your wife's cards.
19:02 Speaker 05 Oh, no, no, three, I think, yeah, three altogether, because we share our, you know, we're betrothed, so we share everything. What's mine is hers and vice versa.
19:09 Laci Mosley? What scams is hers?
19:10 Speaker 05 What scams is mine, a scam is hers, as the old adage goes.
19:14 Speaker 06 That's part of the vows.
19:17 Laci Mosley? I promise to love, be scammed.
19:20 Speaker 06 Be scammed.
19:21 Speaker 05 And give out $600 worth of Best Buy gift cards indiscriminately.
19:25 Speaker 06 I'm reeling from the best buy.
19:26 Speaker 05 But yeah, but I just was like, I truly, and I appreciate you relieving me of the shame because it is a shame I carry around because I like to think that I'm an intelligent person.
19:35 Laci Mosley? You are. This does not make you not smart.
19:37 Speaker 05 I know.
19:38 Laci Mosley? And the thing is, is like, people attribute intellect to so many stupid things. I personally think that everyone is smart in a different way. And I don't know why we've all ascribed to trying to be smart in the same way. That's not how it works. Look, I am smart in the spaces of entertainment or writing or things like that, but you asked me to look under a sink and fix a motherfucking plumbing. Guess what? I'm a fucking dummy. But you know what? There's somebody else who can do that, who's smart. You asked me like how to build a house. I don't know how to build a house. I can't roof nothing. But there are geniuses who know how to do that. I think that everyone just has to find their own lane and find confidence in the fact that everything that we do all contributes to the world and wherever your genius is, is where your genius lies. But there's a lot of people when it comes to scams,
20:17 Laci Mosley? especially rich people or people, honestly, of any class caliber, who think if I got scammed, that means that I was tricked and that I'm stupid. No, we all have needs. That's a part of being alive. If you were born out of your mama coochie and they sat you on a sidewalk, guess how long you would live? Not very long. We all need help.
20:35 Speaker 05 I think that.
20:36 Laci Mosley? Guess what?
20:37 Speaker 05 I didn't know we were going there and I appreciate it.
20:39 Laci Mosley? I'm just saying, we all need help. We all have needs.
20:41 Speaker 06 This is a kind, sweet outlook on life. I feel very refreshed by this, like, genuine, it seems, love of humanity.
20:48 Laci Mosley? Yeah, because scammers know how to exploit needs. So no matter what it is, like, you do have a need and I hate that sometimes we feel this shame where we don't share the information because we don't want people to think that we're foolhardy and then nobody gets the information. And that's good for the scammer because they can keep doing the same bullshit because no one's talking.
21:04 Speaker 05 No, you're right. So I guess what I'm here to tell you is if you get a text after you've just driven on a toll road.
21:10 Speaker 06 And you're fleeing a fire.
21:11 Speaker 05 And you're fleeing a fire.
21:12 Speaker 06 With your family.
21:13 Speaker 05 With your two-year-old in the back.
21:13 Speaker 06 Yes.
21:14 Laci Mosley? Yeah.
21:14 Speaker 05 And they are asking for your credit card number.
21:16 Speaker 06 Take 45 seconds.
21:18 Speaker 05 Take 45 seconds.
21:20 Speaker 06 That is wisdom for life.
21:21 Speaker 05 That is wisdom for life.
21:22 Laci Mosley? And think about the fact that like, those types of charges always come in the mail. There are. Places where if you get in HOV lane and then you don't got nobody in that second spot, you don't got no baby, you don't got no family, they will take a picture of your license plate and charge you. If you're speeding, there are certain red lights, normally in richer neighborhoods that have cameras that will take a picture of your license plate if you go through a red or if you're speeding, right? Those always come through the mail. So if anybody is texting you, that's not serious. That's very unserious. The DMV does not text. Think about how long it takes when you go to the DMV. You pull your little fucking number. You don't even get a sandwich at the end. You pull your motherfucking number like you're at the deli and you sit next to the people you would never see in your life for hours. And they got the worst shit on the TV if they got a TV at all. And then you get up to the counter
22:06 Laci Mosley? and you're dealing with the most fed up grandmother you've ever met.
22:09 Speaker 05 Yes.
22:10 Laci Mosley? And that's what happens at the DMV. They are not sending out quick texts in mail for you to pay them. They're sending out snail mail through the USPS.
22:19 Speaker 05 Had I taken even 39 seconds, I probably would have come to that.
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25:30 Laci Mosley? Cards! I just have to ask you the same question. What's your relationship with scams?
25:36 Speaker 06 Well, I, I think I have always lived in deep fear, anxiety, and paranoia about being scammed.
25:45 Laci Mosley? Can be hurt.
25:46 Speaker 06 Again, yes, kind of an energy I give off.
25:49 Laci Mosley? Yeah, yeah.
25:51 Speaker 06 But again, I think a little of the New York City-ness is like, I'm street smart, like, I cannot be fucked with. And yet... And yet, collective congregation takes breath. I, so I hadn't thought about this until I walked in the door.
26:08 Laci Mosley? Oh, wow. Not the energy of the room was giving.
26:11 Speaker 06 Okay, so when I was in high school. This is an old, this is why this is like the most shameful scam is because I, by the way, coming in, you said late millennial, I would describe myself as early Gen X. So picture, it's the 1940s. But no, it was an in-person scam when I was in high school.
26:33 Laci Mosley? In-person?
26:34 Speaker 06 Yes, I'm walking home.
26:36 Laci Mosley? There's all types of industries.
26:37 Speaker 06 I'm walking home from school, from high school. And I have like my headphones on of my yellow sports Sony Walkman. And these two, I don't know, they were 20-somethings come up to me and they're like, I like take my headphones in. And they were like, hey, this is so embarrassing. I have not talked about this in 1,000 years. They're like, hey, do you, um, how are you doing today?
27:03 Laci Mosley? Oh, boy. Already. A greeting, salutation.
27:07 Speaker 06 It's going bad. I'm like, whatever you want, I'll give it to you. No, they were like, how are you doing? I'm like, I'm good. What's up? And they're like, so do you, they're like, do you like magazines? And I said.
27:17 Laci Mosley? I remember the scam.
27:18 Speaker 06 Do you remember the scam?
27:19 Laci Mosley? I do.
27:20 Speaker 06 I had never even heard of the scam and I haven't heard of it since.
27:22 Laci Mosley? Okay, I've heard of the start of this. Do you like magazines?
27:25 Speaker 06 Do you like magazines? And I was like, uh, love them. Yes, please. They were like, we're selling discount magazines. And this is also, again, another time and place when like I did used to love getting a magazine, a Rolling Stone.
27:38 Laci Mosley? Do you remember what you were listening to in your Walkman?
27:40 Speaker 06 Probably Nirvana, Nevermind.
27:43 Laci Mosley? Yeah. Okay, something in your head might have been banging a little bit.
27:46 Speaker 06 I'm just, yeah, I'm just obviously very cool.
27:48 Laci Mosley? You're vibing.
27:49 Speaker 06 I'm vibing. I'm 15. I am clearly an easy fucking mark. So they're like, do you like magazines? We have discount subscriptions. I was like, they're like, do you want to hear more? And I was like, well, not opposed. And then they were, so they, they start talking about like, well, we're offering like a bundle of like Rolling Stone premiere interview, like. You know, Gen X bullshit.
28:10 Speaker 05 And to be clear, there's no World Wide Web at this point. You know what I mean?
28:13 Speaker 06 No, we got it all from the magazine. World Wide Web is not a sperm in outdoors or whoever the fuck invented it. No, there's no internet.
28:21 Speaker 05 Magazines were our connection to culture.
28:24 Speaker 06 Magazines were our only connection to culture. There is no internet. So I'm getting, I would say, a little alarm bell at this point. But I also, I'm like a teenage girl, so I don't know how to tell anyone no or stop. So, but I'm also like, they're really friendly. It's a man and a woman. Like, I'm not, so anyway, then they're like, they're like, so it's like $25 and you could pay cash right now for these subscription stuff. I was like, ah, I don't know. And then they're like, well, are you hungry or thirsty? Like, there was a Blimpy, and they're like, we could like buy you a soda and go talk, go talk about it at Blimpy, which I gotta say, weak spot. Do love a Blimpy.
29:07 Speaker 05 Blimpy was like the subway of our time.
29:09 Laci Mosley? I don't know if you know what Blimpy is.
29:12 Speaker 06 Okay.
29:12 Speaker 05 Which is very important. Very important.
29:14 Speaker 06 So they take me into Blimpy. Blimpies?
29:17 Speaker 05 Blimpy.
29:18 Speaker 06 Blimpies.
29:19 Speaker 05 Blimpy?
29:19 Speaker 06 No way to know.
29:19 Laci Mosley? Blimpy? Let's pull it up.
29:20 Speaker 06 Pull it up.
29:21 Laci Mosley? I think you're probably right. Like, Jesse, I'm thinking you have a very strong Elefante memory, and I feel like it's probably a Blimpy.
29:28 Speaker 06 And Elefante never forgets famously. Anyway, I go into the place. They buy me a soda, and like, they were like, do you want us to buy you a sandwich? I was like, maybe? Anyway, then they're like taking out magazines.
29:42 Speaker 05 It's just Blimpy, guys.
29:43 Laci Mosley? Yep, see? Two for two, two for two.
29:46 Speaker 06 What if my face came up when you did the Blimpy? I'm pretty close. So anyway, the point is, by the end of the soda, they were like, I felt like I was in so deep that now it would be rude for me to not buy this bundle of magazine subscriptions.
30:05 Laci Mosley? They give a little to get more.
30:06 Speaker 06 They're giving a little to get more. And so, I also, again, teenage girl, I don't know how much cash I had on me. Maybe, I think I was like, I have, this is what should have really been the final nail in the coffin of the scam, was they were like, so it's like $25, adjust for inflation. Again, it's 1958.
30:26 Laci Mosley? Yeah, $25 went a long way.
30:27 Speaker 06 It went a long way. And again, I'm a child, but I was like, oh, I only have 20. And they were like, that's fine, that's fine.
30:35 Laci Mosley? Snatch it real quick.
30:36 Speaker 06 Okay, and then I, and then they were like, okay, have a great day, bye bye. And then I walk home and as I'm walking, I'm like.
30:44 Laci Mosley? Did they get your address?
30:45 Speaker 06 Hmm, yes.
30:47 Speaker 05 Oh, okay.
30:49 Speaker 06 Yeah, okay. So then I'm like, oh my God, I'm like, I don't have a great feeling. And then I get home and I'm, I get to my parents and I'm like, can I get her, can I, can I take a temp from you guys on what just happened to me? And they're like, what? And I tell them, I'm like, I, I, I think I just subscribed to a couple of magazines. And they were like, what? And as I told them, they truly were like, you dumb fuck. Who have we raised that we, she fell for such a truly, I mean, this makes Toll Roads look like nothing.
31:27 Speaker 05 Well, you were a child. I was 47.
31:30 Speaker 06 Okay, that's true, but I will say then, poor me, my parents were like.
31:35 Laci Mosley? The technology had advanced, these people were reaching out to your personal device.
31:38 Speaker 06 They were in your device.
31:39 Laci Mosley? These people were reaching out to her on the streets. Typically, this is a door to door scam. They usually go knocking on doors, but they saw you cute, walking, listening to your Nirvana. And they were like, she, she likes magazines.
31:51 Speaker 06 I did like, I mean, they just knew I liked magazines. And then I will, the end of the story is just very sadly, I would say for like the next three months.
31:58 Laci Mosley? Oh, you were waiting for the magazines?
32:00 Speaker 06 I was waiting a little bit for the magazines to show up.
32:04 Laci Mosley? They were coming, babes.
32:05 Speaker 06 Honey, they didn't.
32:06 Speaker 05 They didn't show up.
32:07 Speaker 06 Would you believe, not a one.
32:09 Speaker 05 Honestly?
32:11 Laci Mosley? But also, I probably guess, were those people kind of young to you? They must have been around an age that you felt comfortable.
32:17 Speaker 06 I mean, they were probably 24, 25.
32:20 Laci Mosley? Yeah, so they're around an age that you feel comfortable. I bet you they probably were being scammed themselves to out here, hustle magazines. And maybe they wised up and realized like, if we take cash from people with all of these legitimate things that we have that the scam company gave us, that we could just keep the cash and move on. And they weren't looking for that much cash.
32:38 Speaker 05 They are in the presence of genius.
32:41 Speaker 06 Okay, you are opening my fucking eyes right now. Holy smoke. I mean, the Best Buy card alone thing rocked me.
32:49 Speaker 05 Yeah, I mean, you fucking know your shit.
32:51 Laci Mosley? I have to, but also like they couldn't keep using your card. They would have been stopped, so they had to get some cash equivalent that they could like not be traceable so that they could go and get their coins.
33:02 Speaker 06 Guys, what if when I get home tonight, I open my mailbox and there is like a very dirty raggedy magazine that's been forwarded to me from the past?
33:10 Speaker 05 They've been trying to find you this whole time.
33:12 Speaker 06 It's finally here.
33:13 Speaker 05 It's a 1992 Rolling Stones.
33:15 Laci Mosley? Yes.
33:16 Speaker 06 Kurt Cobain.
33:17 Speaker 05 Oh.
33:18 Laci Mosley? It's a rom com, Kurt Cobain, the man of the future.
33:21 Speaker 06 The man from the future.
33:22 Laci Mosley? Oh, no.
33:23 Speaker 06 R I P and bless.
33:24 Laci Mosley? Yes, well, let's get into my favorite segment here. Historic hoodwinkings. This is where I will regale, listen just with famous cons capers, group of criminals. We'll see if we like them or we hate them. Much of this story is based on the Netflix documentary Con Mum, so we're gonna put that out there.
33:40 Speaker 05 I did watch that.
33:42 Laci Mosley? Wonderful, so um, let's get started. A glamorous elderly jet setter claimed to be a British pastry chef's long-lost mother, showering him with money and gifts. He left his life behind to follow her around the world, but he ended up getting taken for a ride, literally and figuratively.
34:03 Speaker 05 Uh oh.
34:03 Laci Mosley? This is not a link, yep.
34:04 Speaker 05 Mm hmm, total road.
34:06 Laci Mosley? So, the pastry chef, lots of people who know Michelin star pastry chef Graham Hornigold. It's, it says horny gold, but we're gonna say. I mean, horny for the gold.
34:17 Speaker 06 Horny for the gold.
34:18 Laci Mosley? Yes, and look at him doing that pose, okay.
34:21 Speaker 06 I mean, you can just change your name any day you want.
34:23 Laci Mosley? So, a lot of people know who he is. He's been on TV as a judge on Junior Bake Off, and he has his own chain of high-end doughnut shops and cafes in London called Long Boys Doughnuts. He was named UK pastry chef of the year in 2007. Look at him over here.
34:37 Speaker 06 Oh, those do look delicious.
34:39 Laci Mosley? Yeah, they look kinda like hot dogs, but for sugar.
34:41 Speaker 06 I mean, what's on the, I was, is that a radish on the right? What's going on on the right?
34:45 Laci Mosley? I mean, he got Michelin stars, so you know they gotta have some like.
34:48 Speaker 06 Rhubarb, it's a rhubarb, I think. Okay, okay. Yeah, these two look good. These two look good.
34:53 Speaker 05 They do.
34:53 Speaker 06 Horny, I'm horny for Hornigold.
34:55 Laci Mosley? And it looks like he's got like the citrus, but he candied it a little bit.
34:58 Speaker 05 Yeah, it looks like a little candied orange peel right there.
35:00 Speaker 06 That's right, and I do like that.
35:01 Laci Mosley? Fancy. This is the fanciest way to end this.
35:03 Speaker 05 I see a whole peanut.
35:04 Laci Mosley? So much sugar. You're right, that's a legume. He got the whole legume up in there.
35:09 Speaker 06 Okay, he's not playing.
35:10 Laci Mosley? Oh, I didn't even see the peanut. Coffee beans, like, what's going on?
35:13 Speaker 06 And I have to say, like, I am very jealous of anyone who has the ability to, like, do, like, a little pastry bag.
35:19 Laci Mosley? Like a little art.
35:20 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. And then he's Michelin star.
35:22 Speaker 06 He's Michelin star. He's Hornigold.
35:23 Laci Mosley? Presentation comes into play. And look, he's with some young people who I don't know who those people are, but he's posed up. Who are those people, Jess?
35:31 Speaker 05 They're British people, I bet.
35:33 Laci Mosley? They're Junior Bake Off people. So he's on the show and he's like, and you know, Junior Bake Off really was blowing up definitely during COVID too. But this is like, so 2007, he was already established.
35:43 Speaker 06 Yeah.
35:43 Laci Mosley? So, he was born in Germany on an army base and moved to England with his father and stepmother when he was young. His dad never talked about his biological mom or anything else, really. So all Graham had to go on was his birth certificate, which said his mother's name was Hatton Hornigold, formerly Mahmoud. Um, so I'm interested here because the mom had the same last name that he does.
36:07 Speaker 06 That also has bumped me right away.
36:09 Laci Mosley? So were they married? Like, was the dad married to her? Or, like, it does say formerly Mahmoud, which means maybe the mom was married to the man at some point. I will say, a dad who takes custody of his child probably would not tell you their mom's information because when does that ever happen? Men do not take custody of their kids. And if they do, that really feels like a punishment to them. Women do it all the time. And, uh, listen, if you're out there and you listen to this, or you have a partner whose daddy ran away, which is probably a lot of y'all, please tell him to stop blaming the parent who stayed, because that's the only motherfucker who stayed. Y'all making up all types of whimsical ass dreams about the person who left your ass, and that's all you know for a fact. But then the person who stayed, you want to get mad at them. You want to hate women. What's going on?
36:51 Laci Mosley? They stayed and fed you. They could have left you at the fire department. Be serious.
36:55 Speaker 06 Yes.
36:56 Speaker 05 But the reverse is true here. In this case, it's his father who raised him. The mother.
37:02 Laci Mosley? But I feel like mothers, and this is obviously gonna be like a broad stroke, but a lot of mothers whose father figure for the child leaves the picture, they typically don't talk shit about the father who left. And they, and I'm not saying that of all mothers, but
37:18 Speaker 05 Sure.
37:18 Laci Mosley? at least in my pole of reality of a broad stroke, like, they're the person who stayed, and if the other person decide, the dad's like, wants to, listen, I've said this before, it was years ago.
37:29 Speaker 05 Very real right now.
37:30 Laci Mosley? It was years ago, but I'm staying with my broad stroke generalization here for a reason. There's even advertisement that appears in L.A. sometimes that is literally billboards and on bus benches and shit that says, "Take time to be a dad."
37:41 Speaker 05 Yes.
37:41 Laci Mosley? When we have to advertise for you to be a father.
37:45 Speaker 05 Great point.
37:46 Speaker 06 Great.
37:47 Laci Mosley? Have you ever seen a "Take Time to be a Mom" ad?
37:49 Speaker 05 Absolutely not.
37:50 Speaker 06 No, never, not in my entire life. No.
37:53 Laci Mosley? Right.
37:53 Speaker 06 No.
37:54 Laci Mosley? Once they leave the coochie, it's not all Gucci. Mothers, love your kid. No, no.
38:00 Speaker 05 Yeah, but by the way, that, that, that would sell me.
38:03 Speaker 06 Yes.
38:03 Speaker 05 I mean, no, here's the thing, I did see this documentary, so I know the story that you're telling, so I know.
38:08 Laci Mosley? So you know that the team is gonna change, yeah.
38:10 Speaker 06 I see, I'm coming in cold as ice, I know nothing.
38:14 Laci Mosley? I, I'm coming in a little colder too. So, but what I do wanna say is a sweeping generalization. I told you, it's not perfect. It's not, it doesn't account for every mother.
38:22 Speaker 06 We're here.
38:22 Laci Mosley? I'm not saying they're all perfect, but what I'm saying is, is that a dad not telling you who your mom is, like, don't immediately red flag that. Now, in this situation, you might, but like, again, this is one situation.
38:32 Speaker 06 I'm hearing alarm bells, go on.
38:33 Laci Mosley? So in 2020, right after the pandemic started, Graham was quarantined with his romantic and business partner Heather. A lot of y'all got married that way. The quarantine happened, y'all were like, let's make it for real. And then I had to go to a lot of weddings in 2022.
38:47 Speaker 06 Yes.
38:47 Laci Mosley? Um, so they're quarantined, right? Heather's also a pastry chef and a native of New Zealand, New Zealand. They were expecting their first baby.
38:58 Laci Mosley? Everything was going really well in life and it seemed like the final missing piece was completing the puzzle when he got a random email from a woman named Dionne, or Dionne, who said she was his mother and wanted to reconnect. And now, this is why I'll say my sweeping generalization works here because if your mother's not in your life, like, you will, I mean, this is true for fathers too, but like, if there's a parent who's not in your life, I'll say that, if they want to reach out, you will be open to it, even if you're a Michelin star chef and you poppin' and you on TV, you still want to know where you came from.
39:33 Speaker 06 Look, again, I fell for fucking magazines.
39:37 Laci Mosley? So a mom is like lightweight.
39:39 Speaker 06 Yeah, the mermaid allure. I have an email that's like, I'm your long lost mom.
39:44 Speaker 05 I don't know why I feel like I have to defend this guy, but I will say that some, a detail that you do learn in the documentary, which doesn't give anything away just yet, is that his father did not treat him well.
39:55 Laci Mosley? Mmm, shocker.
39:56 Speaker 06 This is texture, this is texture.
39:58 Laci Mosley? Cause he was mad that he had to be the only parent. He was like, how's Jerry you, this is your coochie baby.
40:03 Speaker 05 So it wasn't a great situation, so I feel like he probably had a little bit of a hole in his heart.
40:09 Laci Mosley? Probably a lot of a hole, it sounds like one parent didn't want you and the other one left, so you know they didn't want you, so, mhm. So, they're expecting their first baby, now you probably think about grandparents, like, who's gonna be Gigi, who's gonna, Pop Pop obviously don't want to be in the picture, so, you know, this seems perfect.
40:27 Speaker 06 Can I just say, well, we're on this, and again, broad stroke, and I'm sorry because I might be offending people in the room, I don't love when grandparents decide they want like a cool name that's not grandma or grandpa. I, I just feel like sometimes, broad strokes, it feels like an attempt to like not be a grandma or a grandpa, to not be old, it's like, you know what, instead of calling me grandma, call me Cher, and it's like, ah, you're still the grandmother, okay, sorry, I interrupted.
41:00 Laci Mosley? Okay, but listen, it depends on how old they are when you have grandchildren.
41:04 Speaker 05 That's true.
41:04 Speaker 06 It could.
41:06 Laci Mosley? Cause if you're a 47-year-old grandma, you might want to be Gigi.
41:11 Speaker 06 You might want to be Gigi, I'm just...
41:14 Speaker 05 My, my granddaughter does call her grandmother Gaga, but that is only because she could not say the word grandma.
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42:54 Speaker 05 One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.
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44:27 Speaker 03 And fraud!
44:29 Laci Mosley? So, email mom. Graham didn't believe her, right? He responded, "Is this for real? No jokes, scams, etc." So immediately, it's like, "Is this for real?" Now, here's the thing. If you didn't think it was for real, the right thing to do is just not respond. I say that all the time. You get a weird phone call? Guess what you can do over the phone? Hang up, baby!
44:47 Speaker 05 Yeah, you'll go, "Are you scamming me?"
44:49 Laci Mosley? Yeah. You don't even got to do that. You could just hang up. Now, if you like a little ride, I know all of us, some of us have become accustomed to seeing a scam through. Sometimes some shit is weird, and I'm like, "Let me just go on this journey, because I want to know where it ends."
45:00 Speaker 05 Make a friend.
45:01 Laci Mosley? And a lot of times, the scammers cut me off, because I'll be too engaged. And they'll be like, "Ah, nah, she's on to it." And I'm like, "Damn it, come on, talk back to me. I want to know." But yeah, I understand going on the ride for a little bit. But if something seems weird, just like we said, 45 seconds? You've got more than 45 seconds in this situation. Just let that shit rock. Let it rock. So Graham asked her if she knew his middle name. A trick question, because he doesn't have one. And what her maiden name was on his birth certificate. She got the answers right. So he started to believe this could really be her. Now, let's not forget that some of this stuff is public record, Graham. And if you're on television and you've been in the public eye, people will go into your details, your address, your phone number. Like, if you are someone who's in the public eye, please buy your homes in a trust, because if your real name is on the home,
45:45 Laci Mosley? it is public record and people will know where you live.
45:47 Speaker 05 You can also get your name scrubbed from the internet with any personal details.
45:51 Laci Mosley? These are things to know, yeah. But you have to make an effort to...
45:56 Laci Mosley? Later. Okay, Jesse, by the time this airs, I'm gonna need you to have your information off the internet. My fans are very nice. The congregation is wonderful, but just, you know, we should always be prepared. So Dion said she lived in Singapore and ran multiple businesses around the world, mostly in palm oil farming. But she happened to be in the UK at the moment.
46:19 Laci Mosley? And invited Graham and Heather to her hotel room in Liverpool, a four-hour drive from London. They met up and Graham felt an instant bond. Even though he was 45 years old and Dion was in her 80s, he felt like a happy baby for the first time. Now, I will say...
46:34 Speaker 06 My heart is racing right now.
46:37 Laci Mosley? Anybody in their 80s who black and look enough like me, I might be like, "Mama! Mama! Mama? Mama, is that true?" Also, like, meeting up in person is something that's definitely gonna lower your guard, because, look, they kinda look similar.
46:53 Speaker 06 Okay, you know what?
46:54 Laci Mosley? Also, someone in their 80s...
46:56 Speaker 06 It's not unbelievable.
46:58 Laci Mosley? Elderly people, which I start in the 80s, elderly people and babies have the same kinda risk, where it's like...
47:07 Laci Mosley? I've met maybe one or two babies that I don't fuck with, but the rest of the babies have good vibes. I'm like, "It's a baby, give me the baby." And that's the same thing with elderly people. I'm like, "It's an old person, give me the old person."
47:18 Speaker 06 They would never, they would never.
47:20 Laci Mosley? They don't have the time, the energy, the bandwidth.
47:23 Speaker 05 Oh, keep reading.
47:24 Laci Mosley? They all got diapers and Depends.
47:25 Speaker 06 But now, I don't wanna jump the story. This question will jump the story, never mind.
47:29 Laci Mosley? Okay, well, we'll get to it. And I want your insight when we get there.
47:33 Speaker 06 Okay, okay.
47:34 Laci Mosley? But so, you know, he felt like a baby for the first time. He's obviously had to be his own man. Like, you know, he got in this pastry industry. He's a hustler. He has his whole life going out for him and stuff. But we all still long for family and familialship. So I understand why he ran into this. Oh, look, she got mammy titties. So those are the titties that you hug and cry on. Oh, forgot the same kind of titties. Those are the kind of titties you just get in there and you're like.
47:55 Speaker 05 I mean, I'm gonna be honest, he's got the titties that you hug.
47:57 Speaker 06 They both have cry on the titties.
47:59 Laci Mosley? They can go bad for bad. They can go teat for teat.
48:01 Speaker 06 He might be thinking, she's my mom, because I got her titties.
48:05 Laci Mosley? Yes, they can hug and cry.
48:06 Speaker 06 These are genetically my titties.
48:07 Speaker 05 I mean, we've got identical titties.
48:09 Laci Mosley? So pretty soon, he started acting like a baby too, because he was like, this is my mammy titty.
48:12 Speaker 06 And I gotta say, they both do kind of look like babies.
48:17 Laci Mosley? I mean, they do. They got that like honey bun face. The one I imagine is like honey bun baby growing into is like that round cheek cherub. They both kind of got like an almost dimple, like.
48:27 Speaker 06 Yes, zoom in.
48:29 Laci Mosley? She got the skin tone right. The eyes are a little small.
48:33 Speaker 06 I would buy.
48:34 Speaker 05 I mean, this is a.
48:35 Speaker 06 And she's also, just to say, she is not like, that is one of the most innocent hats I've ever seen.
48:40 Laci Mosley? It is.
48:41 Speaker 06 Like, no one in this.
48:42 Laci Mosley? She's dressed like a baby. You've seen so many babies at the beach with that same motherfucking hat on.
48:47 Speaker 05 Come on.
48:48 Laci Mosley? Be serious. That's a baby at the beach hat, okay?
48:50 Speaker 06 That's a baby at the beach.
48:51 Speaker 05 Scammers don't wear bucket hats.
48:52 Speaker 06 No, not with these little blue spirals.
48:54 Speaker 05 No.
48:55 Laci Mosley? And she got it tipped up a little bit, just like a cute little baby at the beach.
48:58 Speaker 06 Yeah. And this is breaking my heart truly, this picture.
49:01 Laci Mosley? Baby mom. So maximizing mom time. Dion told Graham she was dying of three kinds of cancer.
49:09 Speaker 05 Not one, not two.
49:10 Laci Mosley? But three.
49:11 Speaker 05 Don't protest too much.
49:13 Laci Mosley? The cancers linked up and they all kill her.
49:16 Speaker 05 Talk about hat on a hat.
49:17 Speaker 06 Three kinds of cancer.
49:19 Laci Mosley? Listen, she said, you need to know I'm for sure die. Because maybe one cancer, he could be like, we could beat this, mama. You know, depending on what type it is. There's so many beatable types of cancers, so there's a lot of hope. But then you get two, even two, like, we might still have a chance. But three, I feel like is a threshold where people are like, okay.
49:34 Speaker 06 Okay, yeah, yeah.
49:34 Laci Mosley? She's like, I have three kinds of cancer, my cancer is AIDS. I'm dying, I'm dead.
49:39 Speaker 06 Grandma.
49:39 Laci Mosley? And my cancer got another cancer on top of me.
49:41 Speaker 06 Yes, that's so much cancer.
49:43 Laci Mosley? So their mother-son time would be limited to the six months that she had left to live. Even though he was about to become a dad for the first time and would be needed a lot at home, Graham felt he should spend a lot of Dion's remaining time with her, so he did. He spent time in her five-star London hotel on the Thames while she racked up $10,000 of charges. She usually ordered caviar and only drank champagne. Now, listen, she's also presenting herself as someone who's independently wealthy.
50:14 Speaker 06 Oh, my God, the photo! Yes.
50:15 Laci Mosley? Not the wedding photo where y'all swapping glasses of Moet. I know a rosé champagne when I see one.
50:21 Speaker 06 The relationship's getting weird in this picture.
50:24 Laci Mosley? I mean, they only got six months. They gotta rack it up, okay?
50:27 Speaker 06 They gotta take as many iconic photos.
50:28 Laci Mosley? They gotta get intimate real fast.
50:29 Speaker 06 I don't know.
50:30 Laci Mosley? And also, this would disarm you as someone who's making money, who has TV credibility, because you're meeting this person at their own nice hotel that you're assuming they're paying for, so why would they want anything from you because they're already balling out, right?
50:42 Speaker 06 Exactly.
50:43 Laci Mosley? And so she's like, "I got six months left. Let's drink the champagne. Let's eat this caviar. Let's turn up, little baby son." So...
50:49 Speaker 06 Bucket hat, bucket list.
50:51 Laci Mosley? Bucket hat, bucket list.
50:53 Speaker 06 Hashtag hat, bucket list. Buckets, hashtag buckets.
50:57 Laci Mosley? So concierges at the best London hotels knew Dion well, acting like she had stayed with them many times and was one of their best customers. So every time they walk through the lobby, they're like, "Oh, it's Miss Dion. Oh, Miss Dion, do you need us to take your luggage out? Oh, another glass of Moet. So would you like some..."
51:13 Speaker 06 Yeah, so what would you think?
51:14 Laci Mosley? Caviar, crème de thé.
51:15 Speaker 06 Wait, they're in on it?
51:17 Laci Mosley? No, they just are treating her like a VIP because she's obviously renting out one of the most expensive places.
51:23 Speaker 06 Okay.
51:24 Laci Mosley? Yes, people are gonna make assumptions about where your room is in the hotel, whether they know if the wire transfer food is coming through or not, like Anna Delvey-style. Like, you know, especially if you give a cute amount of little tips, you give some hundred pounds out here and there, the girlies who work there are gonna be like, "Oh, they tip us well. They don't know what you're paying for the bill."
51:40 Speaker 06 A quid there, a pound there.
51:41 Laci Mosley? Right, and the longer you stay, everything is closed up at the end of your stay at most hotels, so the longer you stay, if you give a little... They're gonna expect that you were
51:50 Speaker 05 You give front end generosity for back end support.
51:53 Laci Mosley? And she's older, so they're looking like she's probably spending the rest of her little old fortune. There, a lot of people make assumptions based on how you look, how you act, how you dress. Like, that's what we do as people. And so, you know, someone coming in at 80, looking sweet and docile with a bucket hat and a bucket list, and a bucket of champagne.
52:10 Speaker 06 And a bucket, triple bucket, back to Vegas, back to slots.
52:14 Laci Mosley? Triple cancer.
52:15 Speaker 06 Bucket, bucket, bucket.
52:16 Laci Mosley? Triple bucket. Okay.
52:18 Speaker 06 She works in threes, like a good comedian should. Three's, okay, go on. I am literally talking about on the hook. Keep going.
52:25 Laci Mosley? So employees at her many farms and businesses often rang her on the phone and all called her mum or grandma as a term of affection. So Dionne told Graham her wealth came from her businesses and her, like, from her being an illegitimate child of the former Sultan of Brunei.
52:42 Speaker 05 Red flag.
52:42 Laci Mosley? Now, anytime we're giving royalty.
52:46 Speaker 06 I feel like we blew past red flag at the email, but go on.
52:49 Speaker 05 But I mean, that was.
52:50 Laci Mosley? The email actually wasn't that wild.
52:52 Speaker 05 No, I mean, like, she got the, she got the information correct. She's staying at a hotel, she seems to have money, she's spending the money.
52:58 Laci Mosley? And if you're a public figure who's been on some television shows, it's not that bizarre to be like, to see someone on TV and be like, oh, that is my long lost son. And the email, and she guessed that there was no middle name and the marital last name of hers.
53:13 Speaker 05 Exactly.
53:14 Laci Mosley? Cause why would he? So she's.
53:15 Speaker 06 Sorry, I'm screaming.
53:16 Laci Mosley? So now, now she's telling Graham that she is the illegitimate child of the Sultan of Brunei, right? Which also now connects him to the Sultan, right? Because that's the illegitimate child who had a child, right? So now he thinking like, I got some Sultan status. You know, look at the Sultan of Brunei, like drip down, sunglasses.
53:34 Speaker 06 What is happening right now?
53:35 Laci Mosley? Mustachio, that is a well-grew mustachio.
53:38 Speaker 05 An Oakley sunglass? That seems weird.
53:41 Laci Mosley? You know, the sunglasses are giving gas station.
53:43 Speaker 05 Yes.
53:44 Laci Mosley? They're giving January 6th.
53:45 Speaker 06 You know what? It's giving.
53:47 Laci Mosley? Like, like somebody who was on the way to January 6th but was like a little late.
53:50 Speaker 06 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:51 Laci Mosley? And so by the time shit started going down, they just turned around and was like, no. I mean, this is the legitimate Sultan, right?
53:57 Speaker 06 It's, I mean.
53:57 Laci Mosley? Yeah, this is the real Sultan, so this is Sultan drip.
53:59 Speaker 06 This is Sultan drip.
54:01 Laci Mosley? And like, I love this because she picked somebody who is somewhere from Southeast Asia. And like, they all got the same skin tone. So like, what's really gonna be a bump in this situation so far? And look, she got her drip all herself. She got.
54:14 Speaker 06 What is this picture?
54:15 Laci Mosley? I don't know where she got this metal hat from, honey, but it's giving something.
54:18 Speaker 06 I mean, she's wearing a, a wall hanging as a crown.
54:21 Laci Mosley? She also said illegitimate child, so maybe this is all that her mama could steal on the way out because they was illegitimate.
54:26 Speaker 06 Yeah, no, that's.
54:27 Laci Mosley? Oh. So she said she's the illegitimate child of the Sultan, right? She got a little bit of Sultan drip that she either got on Sheen, Dot Sultan, or like.
54:35 Speaker 06 Yes, giving.
54:35 Laci Mosley? Yeah. Amazon Sultan for Halloween, you know?
54:39 Speaker 06 Yeah, exactly.
54:40 Laci Mosley? They went to the Dorchester Hotel, which is owned by Brunei's Ministry of Finance. And the staff knew her there too. So, in Graham's defense, she has a fancy ass hotel where everyone's like, oh, Miss Queen, Miss Girl, Grandma, Mumma, everything. And then she got some Sultan drip off of, you know, the dot coms. And she even.
54:59 Speaker 06 Not a verified seller, go on.
55:01 Laci Mosley? And then she went to the Dorchester where she knows her Sultan. The baby girl did her research.
55:06 Speaker 06 I mean, she's.
55:06 Laci Mosley? Baby granny did her research.
55:07 Speaker 06 She's working hard. She's working hard. Yeah, she's doing, she's doing a lot of work.
55:12 Laci Mosley? And Dion bought custom suits and bags and designer clothes for Graham and Heather. She bought him a Range Rover and her a BMW just to make up for lost time in terms of giving her son presents for his last 45 birthdays. So now she's tricking off on him. She's like, here are things, right? Give a little to get a lot. This is a little in her terms of what she's trying to get. So she's like, here's a Range Rover. She bought stuff for the wife so the wife wouldn't be like, this is confusing because when, um, she took that hat off with the gold on it, it was green on the inside. And like, whatever weird things Heather, the wife, might have noticed, she already was like, let me pay this girl off too so she could stop looking too closely.
55:52 Speaker 06 Yes. I do like this look more for her than what we have up right now.
55:55 Laci Mosley? Yeah.
55:56 Speaker 06 This feels right.
55:57 Laci Mosley? Yeah. And so now a baby makes four. Heather went into labor two months later and gave birth to a son. Trigger warning here.
56:05 Laci Mosley? Dion texted Graham to say she was peeing blood at the same time of the birth, including a picture of a toilet bowl full of red liquid. Now, here's the thing.
56:16 Speaker 06 We're not showing that picture, are we?
56:17 Laci Mosley? No.
56:18 Speaker 06 Okay.
56:20 Speaker 06 You can picture it.
56:21 Laci Mosley? No, it's a trigger word for like graphic description. Here's the thing, if anyone in my family who I love and trust told me that they were peeing blood or that something was wrong with them, I wouldn't be like, send pics. Like, I would just believe them. So to send a pic too is already like you're doing too much convincing for me. Like, we would just believe you, girly pop. Like, you don't have to send us the blood toilet. We don't need to see the like Japanese blood toilet before you hit the big flush. Like, we don't need to.
56:52 Speaker 05 But you know she's got his little heart wrapped around her.
56:55 Laci Mosley? Which should have been enough, but she's trying to lock it down because she's obviously a scammer, which we're gonna find out how. But like, she's trying to continue to convince him. And it's like, why do you have to convince me if this is all legit?
57:07 Speaker 06 I think we've learned that Dion loves to do the most.
57:10 Speaker 05 Yes.
57:11 Speaker 06 She's going big or she's going all the way home.
57:14 Speaker 05 Yes.
57:14 Laci Mosley? And clearly, she's been going big enough that she can do some of this shit on credit to convince him that she is big, right? So Graham hadn't talked to Dion's doctors, but she did carry around a bag of medication and would sometimes spend whole days on the couch unable to get up. So her health really did dislike.
57:33 Speaker 06 Bag of meds, can't get up on the couch.
57:35 Laci Mosley? I'm not 80, but like.
57:36 Speaker 06 Suddenly, I'm kind of with Dion, I'm just saying.
57:38 Laci Mosley? Yeah, but a couch moment, oh, love a couch moment.
57:41 Speaker 06 Just a couch ride, go on.
57:43 Laci Mosley? So thinking it was the right thing to do, Graham moved Dion into his house with Heather and the newborn. Sorry.
57:52 Laci Mosley? Sorry, I don't know anything about this. What, you think about your toilet, you think about Mr. Clean, like, there's so much blood in the toilet. No, there's not gonna be no blood.
58:00 Speaker 06 I'm so upset.
58:01 Speaker 05 It's just a vulnerable time when you have a baby.
58:03 Laci Mosley? With a new baby. So two months later, Dion took Graham to Switzerland to sign paperwork to get access to hundreds of millions of dollars she was entitled to and wanted to leave in a trust for Graham and his family. So she's still like.
58:16 Speaker 06 Red flag.
58:18 Speaker 05 Like, honestly, blood in a toilet flag. How red it is.
58:21 Laci Mosley? But if you think about this from the bigger scope, obviously not a good relationship with the dad who was like, damn, I gotta take care of my kid. Oh my God, I'm a father. This ain't supposed to happen. And then he has a mom who is late in age, which we all tend to think like later in age, if you are like a person with empathy and you fucked up in your life with your kids, that would be a time where you would try to reach back out and try to make things right. So all of this makes sense. It would make sense to me, right? And so far, all that Graham has given in this situation is a place to live, right? She's given the cars to, you know, she's given gifts to the wife. She had him staying at the fancy hotel. They went to the place that he said, like the Sultan, she the illegitimate baby of, and they knew her there.
59:05 Laci Mosley? So everything has been adding up, right? So this is a nice, slow roll.
59:09 Speaker 06 I mean, adding up is generous.
59:11 Speaker 05 Well, but I, I, here's the thing, you cannot really blame him because, because just knowing that information about him, the fact that they kind of look alike, there are things I think that I understand, even as a person would want to sit through it.
59:25 Laci Mosley? This, you know, flamboyant, I'm sure she got rich, she got personality. She had them titties that you want to cry in. He was crying in them. She had all types of stories of like, I remember when you were a baby. Oh, you used to smile so much, like shit like you would never remember, you know? When you were a baby, you used to poop and pee so much. It's like, I did use to poop and pee. Like I would like.
59:45 Speaker 06 Did you ever pee blood?
59:46 Laci Mosley? Cause I did. Right.
59:48 Speaker 05 And by the way, I having seen the documentary, she also like poured love into it. She was very effusive and demonstrative, like very like, I love you so, you know.
59:56 Laci Mosley? And if that's something you've been missing your whole life.
59:59 Speaker 05 Exactly.
1:00:00 Laci Mosley? And a lot of times people get into like entertainment because they didn't get enough hugs, you know?
1:00:05 Speaker 05 I don't know what you're talking about.
1:00:06 Laci Mosley? Right here. So their whole job is like validating their creativity. Yeah. So this all adds up to me. So when they go to Zurich, um, Mama, Mama Dion says that he needed to sign forms in Zurich and meet private equity lawyers, but it was only supposed to take four days. Four days turned into two months of delayed meetings, champagne dinners, and no paperwork.
1:00:30 Speaker 05 And know him being home with his baby.
1:00:34 Speaker 06 I'm gonna lose my mind.
1:00:35 Laci Mosley? So he's taking after his dad now and leaving the baby. Like, two months and Heather by herself doing all the midnight feedings and not getting no sleep. I hope they at least had a nanny. Heather, I hope y'all had a night nurse or something, child. So Dion's global assets were apparently in the hundreds of millions and too complicated for these Swiss bankers to understand.
1:00:53 Speaker 05 Yeah, because classically, the Swiss do not understand banking.
1:00:57 Laci Mosley? No, it's not where we send all our money to hide it or anything like that, no. The Swiss were like, we don't, mm-mm, we only know chocolate and hide it.
1:01:05 Speaker 06 Clocks.
1:01:05 Laci Mosley? Yeah, clocks, yeah. Swatch? Y'all got watches?
1:01:08 Speaker 06 Swatches.
1:01:09 Speaker 05 We'll give you an help, but I can't open a checking account for you, so sorry.
1:01:12 Speaker 06 One help?
1:01:13 Laci Mosley? One help.
1:01:14 Speaker 06 One help. Hashtag one help.
1:01:15 Laci Mosley? Meanwhile, Graham had missed half of his baby's life at this point and left Heather alone in the UK. Like, we said, now Heather's probably sitting over in the UK like, now where the fuck is mommy? And you ain't say you was gonna pull on your father and leave the family, like, get your ass back over here. So when Heather saw that a large amount of money had been transferred out of their joint account into Graham's name, she wanted an explanation. I would want an explanation too, Heather, because this is supposed to be your man, your husband, and now you done had a fresh-ass baby, he done skipped town, and all of a sudden, he start moving money around?
1:01:47 Speaker 06 The math is not, as they say.
1:01:49 Laci Mosley? Nothing.
1:01:51 Speaker 06 Okay.
1:01:53 Laci Mosley? So Graham said it was for Dion because even though she was a high-roller millionaire, she couldn't transfer money from her international banks due to COVID.
1:02:03 Speaker 05 Is she fucking lucky?
1:02:04 Laci Mosley? You know when the banks got sick during COVID? You know when the banks were like, I tested positive for COVID, us, the Swiss bank?
1:02:10 Speaker 06 That non-scam COVID test place, yes. Got that pause.
1:02:14 Laci Mosley? The Swiss bank had positive COVID and they had to quarantine the bank and the money. They were like, everybody coughed on the money, so we can't give it to you because the money is, we gotta sanitize it.
1:02:24 Speaker 06 I just got so cold. I'm really freaking out over here.
1:02:27 Laci Mosley? There's so much COVID on the money. You wouldn't even want it right now. You 80. You don't want this COVID money. So Heather wanted Graham to come home, duh, because that's her man, she got a baby. But Dion wanted him to stay. Finally on Christmas Eve, he caved and went home and cooked a Christmas dinner like nothing had happened. So yeah, you better pull out all, all your silverwares and all your La Cruces and cook for your, your wife and your baby. Because what the fuck are you doing?
1:02:51 Speaker 05 Candied orange peel on everything.
1:02:53 Laci Mosley? And you have to, you have to remember that Dion also has a little bit of an upper hand here. Because she's a long lost mother who also has three cancers, who's going to die in like, in like 64 minutes. So he's gonna be tempted to stay with her. Because she's like, I got this huge fortune to leave to you.
1:03:07 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:03:08 Laci Mosley? I'm literally, look at the clock, I'm dying in 64 minutes and let's do this. But Heather's like, I have a fresh ass baby, so you're gonna have to just come back over here because.
1:03:16 Speaker 06 We have a fresh ass baby.
1:03:17 Speaker 05 We have a, we have a fresh ass baby.
1:03:19 Laci Mosley? Oh, right, right. I'm sorry, I was speaking in man.
1:03:22 Speaker 06 Wee.
1:03:24 Speaker 06 The real wee.
1:03:26 Laci Mosley? I was speaking in man where you know the woman only got the baby.
1:03:28 Speaker 06 It's a wee.
1:03:30 Laci Mosley? So Heather was leaving to spend six weeks with the baby and her family in New Zealand. And again, Graham said he couldn't go because of his mom. While in New Zealand, Heather found out Graham had opened new credit cards in his name and was accruing debt for Dion. And started seeing car payments for the Range Rover and the BMW coming out of their account. Remember those were gifts that Dion gave and now all of a sudden they're gifts that he has to pay for. That's not how gifts were.
1:03:55 Speaker 05 No, no, nope, nope, nope.
1:03:58 Laci Mosley? Also, if you give me a car, it better be a pink slip, registration, fully paid off. Otherwise you didn't give me a car, you got me a loan, baby Boogie.
1:04:04 Speaker 05 That's exactly what happened.
1:04:06 Laci Mosley? Boogie, you got me a loan?
1:04:07 Speaker 05 She put the down payment.
1:04:08 Speaker 06 This was the scandal when Oprah was like, you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. And all of a sudden everybody was like, do I get a car?
1:04:15 Laci Mosley? Those cars were paid off. The issue was, is that taxes on gift taxes.
1:04:21 Speaker 06 Taxes on the gifts.
1:04:22 Laci Mosley? All these poor teachers.
1:04:24 Speaker 06 Meet me here.
1:04:25 Laci Mosley? All these poor teachers had to deal with $7,000 in taxes for the, you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. You get a $7,000 debt to the government. And obviously these teachers were in dire straits and could not afford that. So you gave them a gift that was also a $7,000 burden. So a lot of these teachers ended up selling the cars or like trying to accrue money to pay it off. But it's like, they should have paid for the gift tax along with the car.
1:04:50 Speaker 06 But then, but then there might be a gift tax on paying with the gift tax.
1:04:54 Speaker 05 Gift tax.
1:04:56 Laci Mosley? So now he's paying for a gift, right? And he's paying for his mama's new car, right? Dion hadn't bought those cars, right? She just put down a deposit and financed them in Graham's name.
1:05:08 Speaker 05 Oh, Graham.
1:05:09 Laci Mosley? Oh, so when it seemed like Dion was paying for things like hotel stays and champagne, she was probably using cash she had borrowed from other people she met and took advantage of, making the same promise about frozen accounts and riches from Brunei. So she was doing her own like Nigerian prince scam slash Ponzi. It's a little bit of Madoff.
1:05:29 Speaker 05 Madoff.
1:05:29 Laci Mosley? Madoff with your coins. But it's also a little bit of the prince scam of like, I have money. You just need to pay the taxes and fees. Also, you're my son. So now she's roping in an emotional level that obviously would make people ignore a few red flags, especially if they have trauma around parentage, right? And you just became a parent. And like, Graham, now I am gonna have to knock you on this one. Like, you had parents who were absentee or who did not fuck with you. And instead of when you had a fresh baby, changing the course of that, and you know, ending the generational trauma right there, you're now running after your own trauma and your baby mama and your baby are alone somewhere while you accrued debt chasing your fake mama. At no point did you think to get a blood test or nothing?
1:06:12 Speaker 05 Wait for it.
1:06:13 Laci Mosley? So Graham had racked up.
1:06:15 Speaker 05 I can't.
1:06:15 Laci Mosley? I love that you're here, Liz.
1:06:16 Speaker 05 I can't.
1:06:17 Laci Mosley? Graham had racked up almost 400,000 USD in debt for his mom. Oh, my God. That just got hit in the microphone.
1:06:26 Speaker 05 She just passed out.
1:06:27 Laci Mosley? Y'all signing waivers. We not liable.
1:06:29 Speaker 05 Hitting the floor. I have hit the floor. Go on.
1:06:34 Laci Mosley? Heather had enough at this point.
1:06:35 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:06:36 Laci Mosley? And has never come back from New Zealand with their baby. She's saying, you not gonna have my baby caught up in this bullshit.
1:06:42 Speaker 05 Exactly.
1:06:43 Laci Mosley? Graham didn't believe that Dion was a scammer until he found red food coloring in the bedside table of her hotel room.
1:06:49 Speaker 05 Stop it.
1:06:50 Laci Mosley? Likely how she had taken a picture of bloody pee in her toilet bowl. You know, they about to get rid of Red Dye 40 in the US. So I don't know how y'all gonna keep this scam up. But so she had put, she had dropped a little red food coloring in with her pee. So that she, and I love that she was traveling with it. So was that like a thing of like, she had to just drip a little bit in the toilet and be like, I forgot to flush, son. I'm sorry. Like, when she was still peeing blood? I feel like you should go to the hospital the first time you pee blood.
1:07:18 Speaker 05 You just never know when a little fake blood's gonna come in handy.
1:07:22 Laci Mosley? You don't. You really don't. You don't. Speechless. So he looked closer at her big bag of medicine and saw that it was for cholesterol and blood pressure, not them three cancers.
1:07:32 Speaker 05 No, it's possible he did this a few months too late. I'll say that.
1:07:35 Laci Mosley? Yeah. I mean, but that was because, remember, in the beginning, she was giving a lot, right?
1:07:40 Speaker 05 She was giving a lot.
1:07:41 Laci Mosley? In his eyes. Now, once he started to accrue the bills and be away from his family, I think that's when he was like, let me look into some shit. Also, like, I just think the first time you pee blood, you gotta go to the hospital. I don't think you pee blood and you're like, oh, I'm a looking. No, I think you have to go. No.
1:07:53 Speaker 06 A classic do not pass goes straight to ER.
1:07:56 Speaker 05 But also, isn't this one of those classic, like, he got in so deep, he knows on some level that he is being scammed, and it's like, you can't admit it. Yes.
1:08:04 Laci Mosley? Well, you watched the doc, so you do know.
1:08:06 Speaker 05 One bad thing, one, you know, one thing after the next.
1:08:08 Laci Mosley? But she also has personal experience of the toll road situation.
1:08:11 Speaker 05 Yeah, like.
1:08:11 Laci Mosley? Yeah, because if you go three cars in, you're a little deep. But with Graham, it's like, he's in so... And honestly, I think there's a little part of your humanity that doesn't want to believe it, because if you long for having a parent love you, there's a deep abandonment that I don't understand, because even though my parents were together when I was conceived, like, I have relationships with all four of my parents, and they all love me very much.
1:08:32 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:08:33 Laci Mosley? So I don't have that want for that, but I would imagine having that want from that is like a deep lingering wound. And if you think that someone's pouring all this life and love into you, you want to believe that they're doing it for the right reasons, because it kind of soul ties into who you are as a human being.
1:08:49 Speaker 05 It's like getting heartwashed instead of brainwashed.
1:08:51 Laci Mosley? A new phrase, heartwashed. Yes. Yes. Congregation, don't get heartwashed.
1:08:57 Speaker 05 Don't get heartwashed.
1:08:58 Laci Mosley? Liz, that's a good one.
1:08:59 Speaker 06 Title of that.
1:09:00 Laci Mosley? Write that down. I heard you were a writer. Write that down.
1:09:03 Speaker 05 What?
1:09:05 Laci Mosley? I heard you were something of a writer.
1:09:06 Speaker 05 Oh, my God. Let me fix my beret.
1:09:09 Laci Mosley? Yes.
1:09:11 Speaker 05 I have a feather on my beret.
1:09:12 Laci Mosley? Oh, you're like a Sultan of...
1:09:14 Speaker 05 That's right.
1:09:14 Laci Mosley? Swatch.
1:09:17 Speaker 05 I'm a lady of letters.
1:09:18 Laci Mosley? So at this point, he insisted on a DNA test, hoping to some level that she was lying about being his mother. So, in the end.
1:09:28 Speaker 05 Guys.
1:09:28 Laci Mosley? That's the only thing that.
1:09:30 Speaker 05 Please, drum roll.
1:09:31 Laci Mosley? She told him. So remember, she told him that she was his mother. Now, he's looking at, he's like, let's get a DNA, like, a DNA test, right? At this point, he's like, this woman has scammed me, she's taken advantage of me and my family, I wanna be done with this. Let's do a DNA test. He should've done this in the beginning, but he did not. So now, after he's 400,000 USD in, and his wife Heather is mad at him, and she not leaving New Zealand with their baby. Um, that's, that last part was not a New Zealand accent, but you know, we tried.
1:10:00 Speaker 05 It's a hard one.
1:10:00 Laci Mosley? Yeah. He's like, let's do the DNA test, and, um.
1:10:05 Laci Mosley? In the case.
1:10:07 Speaker 05 I'm drum rolling.
1:10:08 Laci Mosley? Of Dion Mahmoud.
1:10:10 Speaker 05 Oh, my god.
1:10:11 Laci Mosley? And the paternity of Graham.
1:10:15 Laci Mosley? The DNA of the test. Says that Dion. Was not, not the mother. She is his mother.
1:10:24 Speaker 05 I mean. Did you fucking see that coming?
1:10:27 Laci Mosley? She is his biological mother.
1:10:31 Speaker 05 His mother.
1:10:32 Speaker 06 Oh, she is his mother.
1:10:33 Speaker 05 Well, she did a double negative to really get ya. And it got you.
1:10:38 Laci Mosley? She's not not the mother, which means she is the mother.
1:10:41 Speaker 06 For a thousand hours. I am so, I'm a husk. She's the mother.
1:10:45 Speaker 05 That's why they look alike. That's why he has her titties.
1:10:47 Laci Mosley? Yeah.
1:10:48 Speaker 06 He does have her titties.
1:10:49 Laci Mosley? Yeah, they have the same titties. Like mama like, like son titties.
1:10:54 Speaker 05 Those titties aren't random. They're not by accident.
1:10:56 Laci Mosley? Nope. That is his mother. The day of the DNA test, when Graham got the results, that was the last day that he saw his mother, his real mother.
1:11:07 Speaker 05 It's so heartbreaking.
1:11:08 Laci Mosley? He got fucked by both of his parents.
1:11:10 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:11:11 Laci Mosley? Now, Graham, I, I wanna be on your side, but do you have bad vibes, like, both of them turned against you like this?
1:11:16 Speaker 05 He's so sweet. That's the thing in the documentary, which I honestly recommend that you watch, like. You can see that the guy just, like, is longing for that connection. And he, his father, you know, his father did raise him, but his father was kind of a POS. And wasn't great, and all he wanted was.
1:11:32 Laci Mosley? I love that we've been cursing the whole time, and you're like, POS?
1:11:34 Speaker 05 Sometimes I just enjoy saying POS.
1:11:35 Speaker 06 By the way, I think I was cursing the most and you weren't.
1:11:37 Laci Mosley? No, we were all we won.
1:11:39 Speaker 06 I didn't want to put that on you.
1:11:40 Laci Mosley? I'll say it, piece of shit.
1:11:41 Speaker 05 Yeah, he was a piece of shit. He was abusive and, and I think he just was longing for a redo.
1:11:46 Speaker 06 Can I ask a question? This is what I wanted to ask before, where I was worried I was gonna jump the story. So, he never circled around with his dad about this woman, or dad's dead?
1:11:57 Speaker 05 I think he was estranged from his father, if I remember.
1:11:59 Speaker 06 But you could never just do a quick double check, like, picture, have you ever seen this bitch before?
1:12:04 Laci Mosley? Well, I mean, Heather tried to do her due diligence.
1:12:08 Speaker 05 Yeah, she did.
1:12:08 Laci Mosley? She went to the police, but Dion couldn't be charged with fraud because she was truly family. And Graham did know where his money was going. But after the documentary Khan Mum aired on Netflix this year, Dion was charged with five counts of fraud against other men in Singapore. She's also accused of deceiving others into transferring money into her accounts, and that's with a little bit of money that she had, which is paying for the hotels and stuff.
1:12:33 Speaker 06 She's doing this to other men who are not her son, but then she also did it to her son.
1:12:37 Laci Mosley? Yeah, cuz she said that, like, she would claim that the funds were needed as legal fees for the opening of new bank accounts, cuz remember she's still doing that Brunei scam, right? She sought their sympathy by saying she was terminally ill and vowed to reimburse them through her Brunei inheritance. Graham emailed the Brunei Royals family, like, their PR account, and said, and the family's PR account, the Brunei family, said that they had never heard of her.
1:13:01 Speaker 05 Not shocked.
1:13:03 Laci Mosley? Doi doi. Not shocked by that, but like, to go this far to like scam your own son, that you haven't even been in his life, and so that's already you taking a huge part of his humanity by not being a mother to him, and then to spin the block?
1:13:19 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:13:20 Laci Mosley? And then rob him?
1:13:22 Speaker 05 It's so low.
1:13:23 Laci Mosley? It's so low.
1:13:25 Speaker 05 It's, it's so.
1:13:26 Speaker 06 It's so low.
1:13:28 Speaker 05 I don't understand that lack of humanity. I really don't.
1:13:32 Laci Mosley? Like, go scam other people. We know you don't have a relation to them, but you depraved your son of a mother, and then you go spin the block and also put him in debt, right when he's having his own child, now he's distracted.
1:13:44 Speaker 06 Your grandchild.
1:13:45 Laci Mosley? Your grandchild. And the only reason he's doing all this stuff in such an exponential ma- like, a time is because of the desperation meter of like, you're going to die soon, you have three cancers, he's trying to spend as much time with you as possible, and you over here running it up on your own son. That is deplorable as hell.
1:14:03 Speaker 05 An insult to entry? Injury to insult? How does that one go?
1:14:07 Speaker 06 All of it. Insult to injury?
1:14:09 Speaker 05 Insult to injury?
1:14:10 Speaker 06 I think.
1:14:10 Speaker 05 You know what she wanted that baby to call her? Gigi.
1:14:13 Speaker 06 Gigi!
1:14:17 Speaker 06 It all comes around!
1:14:19 Laci Mosley? Wow. Wow. This has been...
1:14:24 Speaker 06 I thought we would come in here today and just have a fun little time. I did not expect to go on a goddamn roller coaster. Space Coast Coast to Coast.
1:14:34 Laci Mosley? Put those hands up in the air. Woo! And we always ask at the end of the show, where would you like to be found? Anywhere people can follow, listen to you, all of those good things. Liz Judd thing.
1:14:46 Speaker 05 Well, you can find me personally at... What's my... @phielizfeldman on Instagram only. And you can find our... What's our thing called?
1:14:56 Speaker 06 Our podcast is called Here to Make Friends. You can get it wherever you get your podcasts. There's an Instagram for that. I am on Instagram at @youracquaintancejessicline, but listen to our podcast, Here to Make Friends. It's on any podcast channel.
1:15:08 Speaker 05 That's right. And I think the Instagram handle is Here to Make Friends Pod.
1:15:10 Speaker 06 Here to Make Friends Pod!
1:15:11 Speaker 05 Thank you.
1:15:12 Speaker 06 Sorry!
1:15:13 Laci Mosley? There we go. Friends, supporting friends.
1:15:15 Speaker 06 Friends helping out friends.
1:15:16 Laci Mosley? If you want to see the photos of the scamming ass mama, damn, damn, damn, damn. Scam Goddess Pod. If you want to chat with me on Twitter, it's Scam Goddess Pod. If you want to see me and my shenanigans, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms. The first season of Scam Goddess is streaming now on Hulu, all episodes, and the first season of Going Dutch is also streaming on Hulu. And if you want to buy my book or listen to my book, it's out where books are sold, Scam Goddess, as well. So get into the things and congregation. I want y'all to get out there and I want you to stay...
1:15:48 Speaker 06 Stay mothering. But like, don't steal from your kids.
1:15:52 Speaker 05 Don't.
1:15:53 Speaker 06 Yeah. Mother, but don't steal. Yes. Scam Goddess!
1:16:00 Laci Mosley? This has been an Airwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros. And our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.
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