Fraud Friday: The Rogue Runner of Princeton w/ Nimesh Patel

In this week's Fraud Friday, Laci is joined by Nimesh Patel (Thank You China) to discuss James Hogue, named one of Time’s Top 10 Imposters, this runner turned bike-thief fooled an Ivy League school into thinking he was a student but was really a 31-year-old con man. Plus, the Red Power Ranger has been arrested by the FBI because of COVID fraud. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 06/27/2022) CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom signed Scam Goddess: Lessons from a Life of Cons, Grifts and Schemes book? Look no more, nab your copy here on PODSWAG Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Nimesh Patel: @findingnimesh Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/red-power-ranger-actor-charged-multimillion-dollar-ppp-covid-relief-fr-rcna29813 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2001/09/03/the-runner https://www.aspentimes.com/news/famed-con-man-who-lived-in-ajax-shack-arrested-again-in-aspen/ https://paw.princeton.edu/article/strange-case-james-arthur-hogue

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• 1:59Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:40Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Scam Goddess, AKA Lacey Mosley, and we're back with another installation of Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. And if you know the show, you know that I am. Yes, very excited. Come on, keep our blues clues scam relationship, parasocial relationship up. Love it for all of us. All right, besties, right now, I'm about to bring on a real treat. Like, this is about to be like the most audio delicious voice you have ever heard. I know y'all always tired of me screeching, so you're welcome. We have a hilarious writer, producer, and comedian on the show. He was a writer on Saturday Night Live, yes, that SNL, and he wrote for Chris Rock. Check out his new self-produced hour stand-up special, "Thank You China",

• 3:25Laci Mosley?

  which premiered June 3rd on his YouTube channel. Honey, congregation, please, guys, welcome Nimesh Patel to the show.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  Of course, thank you for having me.

• 3:33Laci Mosley?

  Nimesh, normally, I just hop right into it, but real quick, I'm just a little curious. Okay, your special is called "Thank You China".

• 3:40Speaker 04

  It is called "Thank You China".

• 3:42Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but you're not Chinese, right?

• 3:44Speaker 04

  I'm definitely not Chinese.

• 3:47Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so I'm already interested there, and this can be found on YouTube.

• 3:51Speaker 04

  It's called, yes, it's on YouTube, it's on my YouTube channel. It's called "Thank You China", because I'm giving away the joke, but... Been on this tour because of TikTok. And so a lot of people think I'm thanking China and like being like subversive about them. Causing covid, but really it's just.

• 4:10Laci Mosley?

  TikTok.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  Not that at all, you know what I mean?

• 4:13Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I love that. I love a title that's a scam.

• 4:16Speaker 04

  Exactly, it's a, it's a, an unintended devil on thunder.

• 4:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes, well, okay, Nimesh, what is your relationship with scams? We always ask everyone on this podcast, like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like them? Do you hate them? Where you at on the spectrum? It could be anything. You could tell me if you've been scammed.

• 4:34Speaker 04

  I think I've been scammed because I did vector marketing when I was in middle school, which is like.

• 4:39Laci Mosley?

  Wait, wait. Wait, you had a job in middle school?

• 4:43Speaker 04

  It wasn't middle school or high school. It would have been like very early in my teens. Uh, with this company called Vector Marketing, they sold cutco knives.

• 4:53Laci Mosley?

  Mm hmm, we, we love a cutco.

• 4:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I think I did, I mean, I did that and then like. Two days later, someone's like, yo, that's like basically a pyramid scheme or whatever it is. So I was like, oh, okay. Let me get out of this thing. Cause it's just like sell knives and recruit other people to help sell knives. It's just seemed such a wild ass endeavor.

• 5:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's an MLM right there. But wait, did you ever go? Did you ever like pull up on anybody's crib, like with a knife set?

• 5:18Speaker 04

  They go to your family first. And so it's like, your parents may be, my parents fucking support the shit out of me. They went and bought like the biggest set. We still have those knives, but that was like, that was my biggest sale was my parents.

• 5:32Laci Mosley?

  I love supportive parent. I feel like if you're a stand up or you do anything in comedy, like. God bless if you get supportive parents, because if not, it's very hard. Wait, so you sold these knives to your family? Are the knives giving? Like, are the knives good?

• 5:46Speaker 04

  They are fantastic knives. Uh, that's the thing. They are, they're very good. That's a very good knife. I don't know if they're like Japanese steel or anything like that, but they are, they do a job a lot better than regular knives.

• 5:57Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Vector Marketing, y'all need to get him back.

• 6:03Laci Mosley?

  He's still giving. He's still giving for the Vector Girls. I love that. I also love calling your company Marketing when really you're like wanting people to like door to door sale or like.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  Exactly, that's what it is. No, it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful thing they got going on and everyone knows about it, at least in Jersey, so. They do something legal.

• 6:21Laci Mosley?

  Right. Yeah, technically it's still legal. It's just how like Lou LaRoe can still operate even though they know that they were making all them housewives get their homegirls involved in a policy scheme.

• 6:32Speaker 04

  Lou, I've never heard of this.

• 6:33Laci Mosley?

  So Lou LaRoe is the company that makes all those ugly ass leggings and uh basically they started being like work from home queen be your own boss girl boss. And so they got women involved and it started with them just selling leggings and having a little legging party like you pull up with a little rosé and you buy yourself some heart shaped leggings.

• 6:52Speaker 04

  I had no idea this was going on.

• 6:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but then slowly Lou LaRoe started being like, okay, yeah, it's cute to sell the leggings, but what if y'all also um got your friends involved and your family and took out mortgages on your home? What about that? What about that? And so that's, that's what they would do. Well, let's get into our first segment here. What's hot and fried? This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams and the zeitgeist or more or not. We get a letter from you guys as always. Snitch on your friends and family at scamgotuspottedgmail.com. Just make sure your scam is retired because we don't want to what? Yes. Fuck up your bag. Amen. I need a fake name for this person, Yamesh.

• 7:31Speaker 04

  Sheldon Bryant.

• 7:33Laci Mosley?

  Sheldon Bryant. Oh, okay. I like that. Sheldon Bryant. All right. Well, Sheldon says, that reminds me of like young Sheldon.

• 7:43Speaker 04

  Should I tell you the inspiration behind the name?

• 7:45Laci Mosley?

  Yes, can tell me the inspiration for the name real quick while I, while I grab this letter.

• 7:48Speaker 04

  The first name of the author of the book on my desk and the last name of another author uh as a book on my sill over there.

• 7:57Laci Mosley?

  So you really just did the movie thing where you look around and you just name two objects like Mrs. Doubtfire?

• 8:05Speaker 04

  I'm fucking Kazuya Sodai.

• 8:08Laci Mosley?

  I appreciate the level of diligence for that. I appreciate that energy for sure. All right. So Sheldon says, I recently traveled to Greece for a month. I am a small and blonde, so in Greece, people look at me as a mark from across the damn street. After a hike, a really nice, in quotes, old man approached me on the street and said that he owns a bar down the street that there was gonna be live music happening soon. Ooh.

• 8:37Speaker 04

  Sounds enticing.

• 8:37Laci Mosley?

  Have you have you ever gone anywhere like by yourself like to another country?

• 8:42Speaker 04

  Yes, I've been to several different countries alone for work and.

• 8:47Laci Mosley?

  Right, because you travel for stand up, yeah.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  No, for this was before before I started, not before I started, but before I started performing for stand up. I used to work for a company that invested in sub-Saharan Africa and we saw I would go to like.

• 8:59Laci Mosley?

  You were selling back cocoa knives in Africa?

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Exactly, that's exactly right, Kenya, Ghana, South Africa, so. I got almost got robbed, back bringing it back to have ever been scammed in another country.

• 9:10Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 9:11Speaker 04

  I almost got ran, I almost got robbed in Cape Town.

• 9:14Laci Mosley?

  So how, what what happened? How does the almost robbery look like? Like, put your hands up, never mind, like, what what happened?

• 9:20Speaker 04

  I was taking a walk around my hotel.

• 9:22Laci Mosley?

  Hmm.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  Three people, two dudes and a lady, uh, like ran up on me and then like. Two of them like felt me out and they realized I didn't have anything and they just kept walking.

• 9:32Laci Mosley?

  Oh, wow.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:34Laci Mosley?

  So they just kind of, they just kind of like rubbed on you or like, no, thanks.

• 9:38Speaker 04

  It didn't, it didn't feel sexual.

• 9:39Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's good, I'm glad.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Like they were sizing me up to see if I had any, like, didn't touch anywhere for real, but it just felt like they're checking my pockets trying to run them.

• 9:48Laci Mosley?

  That's interesting, because normally when people like are like running me the pockets, they just, you know, let you take things out. You know, the robbery is like, okay, I'm getting my wallet, you're like shaking or whatever, but I've I've never heard of someone like just doing a quick pat down to see if you have things.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  Broad daylight.

• 10:03Laci Mosley?

  Wowzers. Were you like really scared in that moment?

• 10:08Speaker 04

  I was just confused.

• 10:10Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Because I know Cape Town is a dangerous place, but if we're gonna get robbed, like, if you get touched like that, you think like the way they took like. Ran up on me, I thought they were just gonna rob me, so like, why didn't they rob?

• 10:22Laci Mosley?

  You see, I I sense it sounds like there's a little regret there, you're like, why didn't they didn't think I was good enough to rob, like, wow.

• 10:29Speaker 04

  I remain perplexed as to what they didn't think I had in my pocket.

• 10:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't think I got money, y'all just gonna pass on me like that?

• 10:35Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 10:36Laci Mosley?

  The disrespect.

• 10:37Speaker 04

  I'm an American citizen.

• 10:40Laci Mosley?

  You're trying, you're calling after him, I'm from America, I have a lot of money.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:45Laci Mosley?

  Y'all should rob me, what's wrong with y'all?

• 10:47Speaker 04

  Kidnap me, please.

• 10:50Laci Mosley?

  I feel like that's right. You don't want me to, you don't want to kidnap me. I, I always felt that way. Um, people would talk to my mom about like, oh, well, you know, the kids are getting abducted and like, my mom would be like, they're not gonna abduct Lacey. They would bring her right back. They not, and I was like, really? I think I'm very abductable. Wow.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  That's a great, it's a great quality to have to not be abductable.

• 11:08Laci Mosley?

  It is, truly is, but I would definitely be calling after them like, why did you rob me? Cause that's more disrespectful than the robbery. At least then I understand, like you need the money. I have it. You taking it from me. But if you just pass, like, I don't know, that hurts my self-esteem for you.

• 11:22Speaker 04

  Make me a victim. Come on.

• 11:25Laci Mosley?

  Take my things. They're very nice. I promise. My God. Well, I'm sorry that that, yeah, right. I'm sorry that happened to you. That is a funny story to tell after you're separated from the event. Cause that's really wild. Um, but I'm glad you didn't get robbed, even though I do think that you are very worthy of robbery. Voice alone.

• 11:43Speaker 04

  Thank you very much.

• 11:44Laci Mosley?

  If I could little mermaid you, I would in a heartbeat. I would take your voice.

• 11:49Speaker 04

  I'll, I'll see you on the street. I would be concerned.

• 11:51Laci Mosley?

  That's what I want for you. That's what I want for everybody when they leave the podcast. It's just be a little concerned when you see me the next time. So Sheldon says that I followed him to the bar. Cause I mean, like the guy did say they had live music and I don't want to hear no damn live music in, in Los Angeles, cause I live here. But if I'm out of town, like, oh yeah, I'm, I'm trying to cha-cha.

• 12:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, for sure.

• 12:12Laci Mosley?

  You know, in, in a grease bar and you know? So I followed him into the bar. They had the bartender poured me a free in quotes. I don't like when frees in quotes. That feels like it's probably not gonna be good. A, a free beer. The bartender also poured herself a drink and we sipped and we chatted. Then another lady came and sat and poured herself a drink as well. They were super into talking to me, which I had, has to be a red flag. Because as a bisexual boy, it isn't, I'm not the type to garner the attention from good looking women. Uh, to that show that I say, how do you think these women were gonna know you was bisexual?

• 12:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, right. It's not like I see wearing that on the street.

• 12:50Laci Mosley?

  Right. You got a T-shirt on that says bisexual? Like, I don't think they're gonna know. Right. Equal opportunity. I can say that. I am a bisexual. We are the most annoying part of, uh, the L G B T P I Q A plus. And everybody knows it and it's fine. We will do better. We won't.

• 13:08Speaker 04

  This sounds pretty problematic where wherever this is going.

• 13:12Laci Mosley?

  Right, because like they're they're drinking, I don't know, right now for me, I'm like, they're drinking, they're having fun, they're chatting, you're in a new city. You're right.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  What I what I heard, if I heard correctly, Sheldon let someone else pour him a drink.

• 13:26Laci Mosley?

  A free beer, yeah, but it's a bar, that's the place where you are very suspicious.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  I'm immediately suspicious of anyone offering me anything in a foreign country.

• 13:35Laci Mosley?

  Right, you pouring me a drink at this establishment that pours drinks, that's your job?

• 13:38Speaker 04

  That that's the that's the thing about growing up in the United States, you don't, the lack of trust among everybody, at least like it feels like you're just like, don't trust anybody, at least that's what's in the air right now.

• 13:50Laci Mosley?

  Right, that's true.

• 13:52Speaker 04

  But someone's like, you want a drink, like, who are you?

• 13:56Laci Mosley?

  Who are you? They're like, I I work at this Applebee's, I came over to take your order.

• 14:02Speaker 04

  I brought my own.

• 14:03Laci Mosley?

  I brought my own, so you can't do that, you can't do that in the establishment.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  This is America.

• 14:08Laci Mosley?

  This is a restaurant, sir, this is a Wendy's, you can't you can't bring your own chicken nuggets, no, I love this for you, staying safe, no matter what. So Sheldon says, I tried to leave after an hour, but they opened up a bottle of champagne and poured me a glass. One point five hours later, she brought me the check and it came out to a thousand euros, which is about eleven hundred USD, because our money is weak. This is what Sheldon says, I'm gonna try to reenact this, I I think it's on B, um, I only had three drinks. That's what's in here, I think.

• 14:44Speaker 04

  I heard it perfectly, I know exactly what Sheldon's saying.

• 14:47Laci Mosley?

  So come to find out they were charging the bartender's drinks, the other lady who had sat down next to me's drinks, and lord knows who else's drinks to my tab without me knowing. The bouncer blocked the door and wouldn't let me leave till I paid. I went negative in my bank account, he disputed the charge of my bank, or I disputed the charge of my bank, and I also later found out that this was a strip club. Like, what in the damn hell am I doing here at four P M. on a Thursday?

• 15:13Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 15:15Laci Mosley?

  And worst of all, there was no live music.

• 15:21Laci Mosley?

  That's the worst part, Sheldon. I don't think that's the worst part.

• 15:24Speaker 04

  I mean, no, I look, I agree kind of with Sheldon a little bit, if that's the worst part there.

• 15:30Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you were promised live music. That's true.

• 15:33Speaker 04

  I was gonna get robbed.

• 15:33Laci Mosley?

  There better at least be somebody singing like the worst version of Loving You by Mini Riperton a cappella or or with some drums or something. That's what I deserve.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  Something, something brief.

• 15:45Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  It's just wild that, uh, uh, that's such a funny scam that these people ran.

• 15:51Laci Mosley?

  I mean, it's obviously something that they do often. And Sam Richardson was on the pod and he talked about a time that he was doing job overseas. And he said that a beautiful woman like led him to a bar and like he had a bunch of drinks and they shook him down too, like very similar to this. So I'm starting to think that this is a very common overseas scam. Like if someone's like, hey, a lone person.

• 16:12Speaker 04

  Let's have fun. Yeah.

• 16:14Laci Mosley?

  Come on down to this bar. Come over. We got live music, uh, live daytime strippers, which are much like daytime TV, just not as good as the nighttime TV.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  Oh, my goodness. It's such a beautiful scam.

• 16:29Laci Mosley?

  I feel like daytime strippers, you know, they're just in there to get their check real quick. They gotta pick their kids up from carpool, you know, they're just like half shaking their ass. It's like it's four o'clock. Right.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  They're there to eat.

• 16:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, there are specials when you go to the strip club. Yeah, you're not getting the best experience.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  I feel, I I don't know. How much do we, how much do you think Sheldon deserves some blame here?

• 16:54Laci Mosley?

  I mean, look, Sheldon just went to an attraction, but as we all do, and had some drinks and thought that he was meeting the locals. I don't know.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  I feel like Sheldon lived in a sheltered life. I don't know if that's too judgmental, but.

• 17:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we don't, we don't judge on this podcast.

• 17:15Speaker 04

  I'm just saying, it's like.

• 17:16Laci Mosley?

  Mr. Patel, we don't judge on this podcast.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  Okay, fine.

• 17:21Laci Mosley?

  Listen.

• 17:22Speaker 04

  I, I remove my judgment.

• 17:23Laci Mosley?

  But I will say that like it's good to know these things and if you don't know and you're listening, now you know, or you've been reminded, like if people are, if it's too good to be true, guys, it probably is. If someone's targeting you on the street because you look different, like anytime you go to a foreign city, guys, don't look around, like look straight ahead, look down, because people who are looking around like wowzers, like people are automatically thinking that you're not from there.

• 17:50Speaker 04

  I, you know, this is, I'll let me caveat what I said with another story.

• 17:53Laci Mosley?

  Yes, please.

• 17:54Speaker 04

  And that is, I was, I was in Peru in two thousand and seven. And we, my friend and I had traveled there together and we were staying at hostel.

• 18:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 18:03Speaker 04

  And into this hostel walks this, uh.

• 18:06Laci Mosley?

  No, wait, I have that question about the hostel. Was the hostel given like cute and clean or was it given like we all, okay, okay.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  Yes, no, it was a, it was a well, uh, reviewed hostel, like the people, the hosts were great. It was like all within parameters.

• 18:19Laci Mosley?

  It wasn't like sleep with your backpack in between your legs and like a, a little baby knife and one out.

• 18:24Speaker 04

  I've seen those hostels, but no, that's not, that's not where we're at. Anyway, walks in, um, I, and it kills me to this day, I don't fully remember his name, but he has, I have an email, so. I'm gonna say it's like Kung, I think, this, this man from.

• 18:39Laci Mosley?

  What, say that again, what was his name?

• 18:41Speaker 04

  Kung.

• 18:42Laci Mosley?

  Kung G.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:44Laci Mosley?

  G with a G, okay, that's not what I heard.

• 18:46Speaker 04

  No, I'm sorry.

• 18:49Laci Mosley?

  I was like, his name was Kung? No, so Kug, got it, okay.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, uh, from Taiwan.

• 18:57Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  He didn't speak a drop of English, let alone, let alone Spanish. Um.

• 19:02Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so we real fish out of water.

• 19:04Speaker 04

  And he had like this, I can tell you it's like probably like a eight hundred dollar camera around his neck.

• 19:09Laci Mosley?

  Hmm.

• 19:11Speaker 04

  And the entire time, we're just like, bro, what are you doing? Like, you got an eight hundred dollar camera, you walking around Peru? Like, he, he's just smiles the entire time. It's like just having it. No, he's just, he's having the greatest time of his life. And me and my boy are just like, this motherfucker's nuts. He's gonna get his fucking killed. But like, the entire time, he had the greatest time, like went with everybody, nothing happened to him. He ended up in the Amazon for three days, went just like randomly to the Amazon, with an eight hundred dollar camera on his neck. Came back unscathed and just had like, and we're just like, what if this guy lives this like, so beautifully?

• 19:50Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? And so like, you know, this Sheldon is living a very beautiful life and like trusting people. I wish I could do that. It just seems like, maybe it's my flaw that I'm not like, man, I used to go hang out with these friends. Of course, strangers are great. Like, why wouldn't they be? And then come to find out you get the rug pulled in the worst way possible. You know, that, that's like how I would feel.

• 20:14Laci Mosley?

  Yo, I feel like I, I'm, I'm on your side though. I feel the exact same way. Like, I wish that I could be like Kook and I could be out here smiling and shit and looking around and enjoying the view. But, you know, I'm always like, if I'm on vacation, it's like, smile on the inside, be excited.

• 20:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right. And I think Sheldon is more like Kung and I admire that about him.

• 20:34Laci Mosley?

  I do too. I wish I could do that, because I can't and I won't. But I do think that we keep each other. I can, I refuse. It's something I realize that I could change about myself and I simply won't.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  I won't. Exactly. Like, we're all flawed people.

• 20:47Laci Mosley?

  We are, but some flaws are worth keeping. So I would keep, I'm holding on to that one real tight as well, in addition to you, okay? You ain't gonna catch me out here having a good time in another country, okay? I'm gonna wait till I get to my hotel room and I'm gonna turn off the lights, then I'm gonna smile.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  Exactly. Put my passport in the safe and then.

• 21:05Laci Mosley?

  Right. And then I laugh. It's something that I thought was funny like twelve hours ago, but it was not appropriate to laugh. Can't, can't.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  I'm not cracking a smile.

• 21:13Laci Mosley?

  Right. You ain't gonna catch me out here slipping with some joy, although fuck you think this is? All right, guys, we're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements and we'll be back with the most fun part of the show, historic hood wings.

• 21:28Speaker 05

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  And we are back and it's time for the historic hoodwink. I want to note up top that most of the story was reported directly in David Samuel's 2001, The New York article, "The Runner." So if you want to get into Davis, T and whatnot, as always, our footnotes are at the bottom of each episode and you can go fact check, okay? Because what did I say? I'm not a journalist. Thank you so much. All right, so, once named one of the top 10 imposters, this runner turned bike thief turned student made headlines. Because it was discovered that despite impressive, like, his track record, he was not who he said he was. Love that. Love a lying king. Mmm. So, we're talking about Alexi Santana.

• 24:39Laci Mosley?

  When Alexi Santana first arrived at Princeton in 1988, he had a score of 1410. Note, this is like, the highest score at the time was 1600 on the SATs.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  Shh, bro.

• 24:53Speaker 04

  1410.

• 24:55Laci Mosley?

  Wait, were you really into school? Did you do well in school?

• 24:58Speaker 04

  I did okay in school. I wouldn't say well. I mean, but I'd be 1410. Princeton must have been a joke back then.

• 25:05Laci Mosley?

  First of all, not you saying I did okay in school and then being like, 1410 is a joke. Like, that's the above average score for the original SATs.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  I'm saying, I'm saying for Princeton.

• 25:15Laci Mosley?

  Okay, yes, that's, that's true. But he also has a Hispanic sounding surname and he came from almost nothing. So, this is editorialized. I didn't say this because I hate when people are like, "Oh, you only got in here because you was brown and you took the white person's spot." And it's like, bro, you had to beat all the white people. That ain't my fault. Like, they took your spot.

• 25:36Speaker 04

  Right, exactly.

• 25:37Laci Mosley?

  Don't look at me like I, like, I don't know where that weird fantasy came from. But I feel like when us, like, people of color, when we get a job, they'd be like, "They just took that job from the one white person who was this close."

• 25:48Speaker 04

  That happens, yeah, that happens. It's so, it's so funny that that happens.

• 25:52Laci Mosley?

  It was gonna be my job and then your black ass showed up. And it's like, no, Chad stole your job, bro. You gotta go fight with him. Y'all gotta go, uh, to the country club and fight each other. That ain't got nothing to do with me. So, according to his personal essay, he was a ranch hand who educated himself in the Mojave Desert. Okay.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  This is all in his essay.

• 26:14Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  His admission essay that I was a ranch hand.

• 26:19Laci Mosley?

  Right, so did they have good wifi in the Mojave?

• 26:26Laci Mosley?

  How was he educating himself? So a ranch hand is like, I'm assuming, I'm not from the south, so there's lots of farms and ranches. So ranch is where the animals are, right? So he was probably helping feed the pigs in the morning and whatnot.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, maybe cutting wood or whatever it is, whatever they do on a ranch. What they do on a ranch?

• 26:41Laci Mosley?

  You can tell neither of us has any outdoor experience, cutting wood.

• 26:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:47Laci Mosley?

  Not even chopping it. Thank you Judith, super producer just said that, said that ranch hands take care of livestock, just want to point out that that's essentially what I said, so I do be knowing things. Maybe sometimes they also be cutting wood.

• 27:01Laci Mosley?

  Not chopping it, cutting it.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  Look, I don't know much about nature.

• 27:04Laci Mosley?

  Come on y'all, we're going to the forest, we finna cut some wood, get them cut coals.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  What else you do in the woods, huh?

• 27:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so he slept outside, herded cattle, and read Plato under the stars. This sounds fake.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  It's like a romance now.

• 27:20Laci Mosley?

  Right, Nancy Meyers, is that you?

• 27:26Laci Mosley?

  Plato under the stars, which, how much light can you get from stars? I don't think enough to read a book.

• 27:31Speaker 04

  No, no, certainly not, but then again, I don't know. Have you ever been anywhere you could see a lot of stars?

• 27:37Laci Mosley?

  Actually have recently, well, like a year ago, I was doing this sketch with Jesse Williams. And I went outside, because it was like a night shoot, and it was just us. And I was looking up at the sky, and I could see the stars in Malibu. And then he started to point out all the constellations, and I was like, am I in just, am I in Grey's Anatomy? What's happening?

• 27:55Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 27:57Laci Mosley?

  It really was.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  It's like, when you see stars, like, oh my god.

• 28:02Laci Mosley?

  Because it's so rare, when you, if you live in a city.

• 28:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, but the, point being, they shed a lot of light, maybe did read underneath the stars. I believe this right now.

• 28:10Laci Mosley?

  Okay, maybe the moon was giving.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, if I'm, if I'm a Princeton University admissions officer, and I'm hearing this story. So far, I'm hearing, I'm liking what I hear.

• 28:20Laci Mosley?

  Right, it feels like he would be a great, um, person to invite to one of those bougie college salons. You know, where they have the salon, and it's just a bunch of like overly educated people in a room sipping like Pinot Noir and wax and poetic.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  I've never been, but I want to go, that sounds awesome.

• 28:36Laci Mosley?

  You would do great at a salon, you got some great stories.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  I would sit in a corner and make fun of it.

• 28:43Laci Mosley?

  So his mother was an artist dying of leukemia in Switzerland and his father had died years before. While he was applying, Alexi lived in a strange or or storage locker in Saint George, Utah. Okay, so he was li- he was living in a storage locker. How do you get mail?

• 29:02Speaker 04

  This guy, I mean.

• 29:04Laci Mosley?

  Like with Princeton gives you an acceptance letter because back in the day it was paper. It wasn't like a email. Like, how you get mail?

• 29:10Speaker 04

  What's his zip code at this, at this?

• 29:13Laci Mosley?

  He's like, I'm in, uh, the door four. Like, what are you putting on the letter? I'm confused. So in addition to his colorful background, Alexi was also a top class runner and was invited to school to prove it. Several weeks later, Alexi had his Princeton acceptance letter with a track scholarship in hand. Unfortunately, Alexi had to defer his acceptance to Princeton's by a year as he had to go to Switzerland to take care of his mother. The following year, Alexi came back on time and moved in with two other roommates, Ben and someone, an Avslum. They were intrigued by Alexi's background and curious living habits like the storage locker. Um, but.

• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  But so he's at, he's at Princeton, right?

• 29:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:54Laci Mosley?

  He's sleeping on the floor. At Princeton, and mind you, they have dorms there with the bed included. They don't make you bring up BYOB. You don't have to bring your own bed. But he's still sleeping on the floor. And he had no photos of his friends or family despite his mother recently passing. Now, I don't think that's that weird because I don't really have photos of my friends or family around my house.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, but, uh, that's because you have them all on your phone.

• 30:20Laci Mosley?

  That's true. That's true. I mean, when, this is like so weird, but it's a scam that a lot of black people do when they're selling homes. It's like they take out all of the photos of black people like in the house. So that people don't like come in with lower offers or don't want to buy the house because they think that black people used to live there.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  I mean, that's not a scam. That's just, that's just good, good on them. I mean, whatever you need to do to get the highest price out of your house.

• 30:46Laci Mosley?

  So we did that once, I think, when we were going to sell the house. And then after that, the photos just never came back for years. So there were years in my house where there were literally no photos. My mom just forgot to put them back. So our house just looked like a show home.

• 30:59Speaker 04

  Oh, that's sad.

• 31:02Laci Mosley?

  Wow, wow.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  Where would she put them back, where would she put them back up for you?

• 31:06Laci Mosley?

  I think she did recently. I did see a photo of me and my grandma and there's a photo of me in the closet in one of the guest bedrooms, which I was like, ma'am, can you please put this on display? Every time I come home, the photo is still in the closet. And there's a photo of my mom from her wedding by herself. My dad's not in it. It's just her like looking cute and that's what's in the guest bedroom. Ma'am.

• 31:26Speaker 04

  That's fantastic.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  Sidebar, that reminds me, I have to get a bunch of family photos printed.

• 31:33Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, you do. And hang up around your house so that they know their love. I love that for you. What city are you in?

• 31:39Speaker 04

  I'm in Brooklyn.

• 31:41Laci Mosley?

  Okay, you do give Brooklyn. You give very much New York energy.

• 31:44Speaker 04

  Good, thank you.

• 31:46Laci Mosley?

  Is that where you finally, is that where you were born?

• 31:49Speaker 04

  No, I'm from Jersey.

• 31:50Laci Mosley?

  Okay, see, that's, those energies are quite similar, very no nonsense.

• 31:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I still, I don't think, I don't think any true New Yorker or whatever consider themselves a New Yorker if they came from New Jersey. So it's like.

• 32:03Laci Mosley?

  Which one are you trying to claim?

• 32:05Speaker 04

  Neither. It's almost impossible.

• 32:10Speaker 04

  It's like, I've lived here for twenty years.

• 32:13Laci Mosley?

  Okay, then you're a New Yorker.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  It's like a New Yorker twenty-two kind of situation. No New Yorker could ever be a real New Yorker if they weren't born in New York.

• 32:21Laci Mosley?

  Okay, fair, fair. Then, then get your Jersey turnpike on and go to the shore.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Get the Jersey turnpike.

• 32:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Do you go to the shore? Have you ever been to the shore with Snooki? And then?

• 32:34Speaker 04

  I haven't been to the beach in years.

• 32:35Laci Mosley?

  When's the last time you heard, hung out with Snooki?

• 32:37Speaker 04

  Homegirl. I haven't seen her, I haven't seen Snooki since she left television, I guess. Like, is she still like a?

• 32:46Laci Mosley?

  She's still out here. I don't know what she doing now, but she's still out here. She probably got a makeup line. You know how the girls do.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  Good on her.

• 32:52Laci Mosley?

  So while his roommates and other students speculated about their mysterious peer, Alexi continued to run ten miles a day and make straight A's in his classes. He also earned a reputation as a talented and brilliant ladies man. Do we have a picture of Alexi? Is he giving sexy Alexi the sexy? He a ladies man? Also, like, what does that even mean? They just started calling him Mr. Bitches. What does that mean?

• 33:16Speaker 04

  He probably just had a different girl every day of the week.

• 33:19Laci Mosley?

  I guess so. Lots of.

• 33:22Laci Mosley?

  So he invited groups of freshman women to attend wine and cheese gatherings in his room on a weekly basis where he'd regale them with stories of adventures, earning him the nickname Sexy. Alexi, wait, I was right. Oh, my God.

• 33:37Speaker 04

  That's him?

• 33:38Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and we were just joking about a salon, but Alexi was really having salons in his dorm room.

• 33:44Speaker 04

  What a hero.

• 33:45Laci Mosley?

  And like, I won't lie, if I was in college or when I was in college, like, at that young age, if someone invited me to a salon with some wine and cheese, like, just another student, I'd be like, oh, you fancy? Like, okay.

• 33:57Speaker 04

  And he's crushing it.

• 33:58Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm like, what is this, grueer?

• 34:02Laci Mosley?

  I would have been impressed.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Any person, I mean, when I, I went to, here's a scam. Two thousand five, I went to Columbia University, uh, summer camp for high school students. And it was, it's basically a summer camp for people whose parents think, uh, it'll help them get into the college.

• 34:21Laci Mosley?

  Hmm. So do you have to pay for the summer camp?

• 34:23Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 34:24Laci Mosley?

  Okay, a little, a little bit scammy up top.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  And, uh, it ends up being, uh, I mean, I'm sure it's a great experience for people who make the most of it in terms of pestering, uh, professors and stuff, you know, really. But for, I think, majority of it, it was like, people just spent like, that much money to go to that camp. And then no one got into Columbia.

• 34:47Speaker 04

  All right. And where I was like, what the fuck was this?

• 34:51Laci Mosley?

  Welcome to Columbia camp. Today we will be re renovated the dorm room.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. It was, we were just like, wait, afterward, you know, we spent the, but it's worth, it was worth every penny in the sense I got to make some of my friends who are like lifelong friends now, but it, it was the first time I'd ever been in New York City that long by myself. So it was worth it in that sense. That was like very cool, but it was definitely a scam.

• 35:15Laci Mosley?

  Did you apply to Columbia and they were like, who is this?

• 35:17Speaker 04

  Of course, of course I applied to Columbia. And they're like, no.

• 35:21Laci Mosley?

  They're like, hello?

• 35:22Speaker 04

  You were stupid enough to fall for that? You're not getting in.

• 35:26Laci Mosley?

  Columbia camp, we don't even run one of those. What are you talking about?

• 35:29Speaker 04

  That's our first test. That's our first test. You failed.

• 35:33Laci Mosley?

  Yo, that was a brilliant scam on Columbia's part to be like, well, how do we get these dorm rooms full in the summer? Who can, how can we get some extra coin going? Oh, we'll bring all these kids up.

• 35:41Speaker 04

  That shit was wild.

• 35:43Laci Mosley?

  But it, I mean, that is kind of the scam of college too. It's like you get to be incubated as a baby adult and also meet some of your best friends and go into crippling debt for it.

• 35:53Speaker 04

  If colleges market themselves as friendship factories, they could charge like an infinitely more amount of money.

• 35:59Laci Mosley?

  You're right. You're absolutely right. Do you want to turn up with your friends and your mama not there? College.

• 36:06Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 36:08Laci Mosley?

  So literally what it is. So on February sixteenth, nineteen ninety one, a senior at Yale named Renee Pacho attended the Harvard Yale Princeton track meet in New Haven, and she noticed that a sophomore on the Princeton team looked familiar. When their eyes met, she recognized Jay Mitchell Huntsman, a stranger who had attended Palo Alto High School with her in nineteen eighty five. Jay Huntsman, who called himself Revec, was also a talented runner. According to his classmates, Jay grew up on a commune in Nevada and educated himself growing up. Hmm. Sounds interesting because we know somebody else who grew up, uh, as a ranch hand in the Mojave Desert, who educated himself under the night sun, AKA the moon.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  What a tangled web this guy's weaved.

• 36:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. So this person's parents died in an accident in Bolivia and he decided to complete his education at Palo Alto High School, California, before applying to Stanford. Things stopped adding up when Jay entered the Stanford Invitational meet cross-country race. He had a spectacular win, but never reported to the officials' table. One reporter, Jason Cole, found it suspicious and began to investigate further into Jay Mitchell Huntsman. He found a birth certificate matching the birthplace of Jay that he spoke of. However, Jay Huntsman died of pneumonia two days after he was born.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  This guy stole an infant's identity?

• 37:30Laci Mosley?

  I mean, we don't know yet. We just kind of took a, we took a little turn here. I'm on the ride with you. I don't know. I don't know what's going on, but I would argue that you're probably on to something.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  He should, he sounds like he, uh, I don't want to like give shine to a criminal, but I feel like I'm rooting for Scarface right now.

• 37:52Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I love to shout out a criminal. That's what this podcast is about. So don't ever be scared. Don't ever be afraid. We can change our opinions if he does something nasty and bad, but so far it sounded fun. It sounded light. Um, so yeah, uh, the dead, uh, Jay Huntsman is out here running races, even though he been dead for a long time. You know, when you're dead, you just be entering Stanford Invitationals. You know how you do that when you, you know how you do that when you're dead?

• 38:17Speaker 04

  It takes, it takes a lot to get into Stanford, so.

• 38:20Laci Mosley?

  It takes a lot. You need to actually be dead and resurrect yourself and, and run fast to get into Stanford.

• 38:26Speaker 04

  Conjured a ghost.

• 38:28Laci Mosley?

  So Cole reported, this is the nosy reporter. We got a hater on our hands who is now like, let me dig into this man because he's weird. Like Cole, why are you so nosy? Just let this dead man run his race. Why are you bothering him?

• 38:40Speaker 04

  She was born.

• 38:41Laci Mosley?

  Let him rest in peace.

• 38:45Laci Mosley?

  Robbery.

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• 41:15Laci Mosley?

  So Cole reported his findings back to Palo Alto High. And after admitting that his real name was James Hoag, James took off. I like that. James can run fast, so he probably literally took off. Right? It's just a cloud of dust. He was like, James? Jay? Hello?

• 41:34Speaker 04

  And you're hoping he's gone.

• 41:35Laci Mosley?

  That's what I want people to do when they get caught up in lies. I wish that one time in my life, if I catch a liar, you know, and I confront them, that they would just run away.

• 41:43Speaker 04

  That would be so funny.

• 41:45Laci Mosley?

  Like, don't try to-

• 41:46Speaker 04

  That's the way to do it.

• 41:47Laci Mosley?

  Right? Don't try to gaslight me. Don't try to argue with me. Just run. Just, just start to take off running.

• 41:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. At least give me a laugh. When I'm not gonna be lying.

• 41:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. Don't waste my time with arguing these lies. Just, just run away. That's funny. I just stop like that. Everybody try that at home. If you're a liar, write in to the show. Just try it. Next time you get caught in a lie, just run away.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  I, I, I hope half of that for you. I don't want anyone to lie to you, but someone running away from you for getting caught in a lie would be pretty funny.

• 42:18Laci Mosley?

  It would be pretty hilarious.

• 42:19Speaker 04

  However you want that to happen.

• 42:21Laci Mosley?

  So certain that this, that she had seen Jay slash James at this track meet. Uh, James' former classmate Renee told Cole of her sighting. So this is one of the former classmates at the Palo Alto High School. She then clocked him at the track meet, just to catch everybody up. Then she reaches out to the nosy reporter and she's like, I just saw James running again, like he always does. So Cole immediately told Princeton, and it was discovered that Alexi Santana, you were right, was in fact James Hoag, also Jay, who was the baby who died.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  Uh, I watch a lot of SVU.

• 42:59Laci Mosley?

  It's always the person with the name that is biggest in the credits that did the thing.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 43:05Laci Mosley?

  So he claimed that he was a homeschool nineteen year old ranch hand, but really he was a thirty one year old ex con with an arrest record in Utah. Oh, no.

• 43:16Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 43:17Laci Mosley?

  Okay, this gives me new context to the wine and cheese salon with the freshmen. Which if these are freshman girls, they can't be more than eighteen, nineteen.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Nineteen years old.

• 43:27Laci Mosley?

  Maybe twenty years of age, maybe, but eighteen, nineteen is really it. Um, maybe seventeen, I graduated college or high school when I was seventeen, so now, um, James Hogue, I'm not on your side, you are a nasty man, because why?

• 43:39Speaker 04

  Is off, yeah.

• 43:40Laci Mosley?

  The math is not mathin', you are thirty one, why are you having wine and cheese nights with children?

• 43:45Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:45Laci Mosley?

  Wh- uh-uh, what's going on, James? You're nasty, I don't like you. Also, you're thirty one and no one noticed?

• 43:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, yeah. At some, like, this is like, if someone, like, if, if thirty one, you're, I think, like, if you're nineteen, you're twenty, you don't realize when someone's thirty one, it's only when you're in your thirties, like, this motherfucker is.

• 44:07Laci Mosley?

  Is thirty one?

• 44:08Speaker 04

  Thirty one. I'm thirty six, so if I see, if I, I can see the despair.

• 44:12Laci Mosley?

  Right, I can, I can clock a thirty, I'm thirty, so I can clock a thirty year old, I'm like, I'm like, mm, some, something here is giving thirty, something's giving knee pain, I know it.

• 44:23Speaker 04

  The nineteen year olds are still like, eh, whatever, something, he just looks old.

• 44:26Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 44:27Speaker 04

  Or, or he's been, he's lived a life.

• 44:29Laci Mosley?

  But my freshman year in college, I could count the times that I drank alcohol, I was such a square, um, but like, honestly, loved that for me. Um, but if, if we wanted to drink, we had to, like, get somebody to go to the liquor store, like a senior or a junior, and then we would wait around the corner, all eager to get our ninety nine bananas.

• 44:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:50Laci Mosley?

  The worst alcohol you could ever drink.

• 44:53Speaker 04

  I drank all that shit.

• 44:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 04

  Green apple.

• 44:56Laci Mosley?

  I had the Four Loko before the government stepped in, and had them change the recipe. Yeah, the murder Four Loko, so I had a friend who would make Four Loko margaritas, why, God? Why?

• 45:07Speaker 04

  Thank goodness those were banned.

• 45:09Laci Mosley?

  They needed to be, because what the hell, like, why, uh, America? We'd be like, oh, the FDA said, yeah, okay, yeah, give me that, uh, Ephedrine.

• 45:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's it's a long time that like last I think.

• 45:21Laci Mosley?

  They did. I mean, I think they still exist, but they had to change the formula and like get rid of like some of the caffeine and like things that were, you know, killing people.

• 45:28Speaker 04

  They had to take the loco out of the four loco.

• 45:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they were like a four loco, but a little less loco.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 45:34Laci Mosley?

  Loco light.

• 45:35Speaker 04

  It tied it down.

• 45:36Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's a little more sane, this loco. Okay.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, he'll be alright. Yeah, he'll be okay.

• 45:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so this man is a whole adult. He is thirty one. Wowzers. And he had, he was an ex-con and he had an arrest record in Utah. And remember, Utah was where he was sleeping in that storage unit. So just like that, the deans determined his admission was void. A a day later, two police officers arrived at Alexi's like geology three sixteen class to arrest him in the middle of the classroom. Ooh, that's a spicy day in class.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  Where was he? Where was this class? In?

• 46:10Laci Mosley?

  This is at Princeton. So he's in a geology class at Princeton. So they looking at rocks and whatnot. And here comes twelve like,

• 46:19Laci Mosley?

  put the rock down.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  That sounds, I mean, I hope this is a movie.

• 46:24Laci Mosley?

  Right, it should be. Put the geo down and put your hands up.

• 46:28Speaker 04

  That's just visually sounds so funny.

• 46:30Laci Mosley?

  It really does.

• 46:32Speaker 04

  Looking at amethysts. Oh shit.

• 46:36Laci Mosley?

  He was just trying to, I I love geology because that's just a classy way to say that you into crystals.

• 46:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I used to look at rocks as a kid. I don't find them as fascinating now, but when I was a child, I loved rocks.

• 46:47Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna stop telling people I'm into crystals. I'm gonna tell them that I'm into geology. That's why I got this rose quartz that I'm charging under the full moon because geology.

• 46:56Speaker 04

  Because I love the earth and all all its materials.

• 46:59Laci Mosley?

  Yes, go to Turnber- Turnberg is my homegirl and I love the earth.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 47:04Laci Mosley?

  So James Hogue, who the hell is this man? James was charged with theft by deception and three counts of forgery. So I guess Princeton was like, you lied to us, so we gave you a scholarship. So that's deceptive. Which I'm like, Princeton, get over it. Um, he he couldn't make bail, so he moved, so he was moved to the Mercy County Correctional Center while awaiting trial. While there, James was visited by Hachito Scholes, a professor from Italy who taught physical chemistry at Princeton. Professor Scholes viewed James not as a lost cause, but as someone who needed a friendship and psychological help that he could provide. So not this man pulling up like, let me study you.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  I like this guy. This guy's trying to scam the scam.

• 47:44Laci Mosley?

  Right, you you flew yourself out from Italy to to to pull up at the prison? Wow. So when James made bail and was released, Scholes offered him money, which he refused. Scholes also helped James move to Cambridge, Massachusetts and enroll at the Harvard Extension School. I'm surprised that he refused the money. He was like, you keep the money. Why? Take the money.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  Was he trying to fuck him?

• 48:06Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. It is giving, it's giving energy.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  I'll send you to school.

• 48:13Laci Mosley?

  I'm your daddy now. Wait a minute.

• 48:18Laci Mosley?

  Right. So while there, James was hired part-time to catalog the school's collection of precious minerals and gems. So he's back doing his geology, being a geologist, and I love that for him.

• 48:29Speaker 04

  The call of the diamond is strong.

• 48:31Laci Mosley?

  Right. A few weeks later, more than fifty thousand dollars worth of minerals, gems and tools were found in James's room, along with a chair from the Har- with a Harvard seal. Why are you stealing the chairs?

• 48:45Speaker 04

  What a real up and down saga.

• 48:49Laci Mosley?

  Precious minerals and you were also like, but but this does have good back support. I'm just, I'm gonna go ahead and take this too.

• 48:56Speaker 04

  That's that's how you know this guy was so little and hinged.

• 48:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. He was like, look, I need lumbar support and I need jewels.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  I I can understand stealing jewelry or jewels.

• 49:07Laci Mosley?

  I mean, he's thirty-one. You do need that lumbar.

• 49:10Speaker 04

  You're right. This man understood what was really valuable. That was his health.

• 49:14Laci Mosley?

  Self-career king?

• 49:16Speaker 04

  Of course, sure.

• 49:18Laci Mosley?

  So when he was caught, he again pleaded guilty to theft by deception. He was then sentenced to a serious offense in prison in several states where there were outstanding charges like against him. So he basically had to do like a prison tour. Like, you know how you do your stand-up comedy tours, but he was doing it but for a jail.

• 49:34Speaker 04

  I like to imagine him, like, how many times do you have to get caught before you're like, man, I'm pretty bad at this?

• 49:43Speaker 04

  I gotta start thinking some things through. It's like, you got me again.

• 49:49Laci Mosley?

  He's getting arrested, just like, ah, you got me.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 49:53Laci Mosley?

  All right.

• 49:54Speaker 04

  It was a chairs? I knew it was gonna be a chairs.

• 49:58Laci Mosley?

  Damn, if I went too far with the chair.

• 50:02Laci Mosley?

  I said, just, so that's why, could y'all give me some notes? Let me get some feedback for my next con. Like, he's taking notes every time, like, okay, don't take the chair with the seal. Okay, got it. I'm gonna do better. I, I love this for him. It feels like, he's like, oh, I fail, I pick myself back up, and, and I try again.

• 50:18Speaker 04

  Gotta do it again.

• 50:19Laci Mosley?

  And now he's on tour, just like, thank you, China, it can be seen on YouTube and, and wherever you do stand up, we can also see James in a local prison near you.

• 50:30Speaker 04

  Yep, he's coming. Better shake hands with that man, because he might not be who he is.

• 50:35Laci Mosley?

  He's like.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  He's meeting two dudes at once, this guy.

• 50:38Laci Mosley?

  August fifteenth, Rikers Island, I'm pulling up.

• 50:43Laci Mosley?

  Y'all be a.

• 50:45Speaker 04

  Give me your greatest stories, I bet I'll beat him.

• 50:47Laci Mosley?

  Right, y'all be a cell block D for a salon. I'm gonna have ramen, toilet wine.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  Come through. Four local in the house.

• 50:56Laci Mosley?

  Yes, pull up for my salon. And, okay, I love it. So when he's finally released, he once again disappeared. Oh, James.

• 51:05Speaker 04

  You don't say.

• 51:06Laci Mosley?

  I love it. Five years later, on the evening of July fifteenth, nineteen ninety-seven, James was arrested for bike theft in Aspen, Colorado.

• 51:15Speaker 04

  What year was this?

• 51:17Laci Mosley?

  This was nineteen ninety-seven. How can you not steal a bike in ninety-seven? I feel like it should be very easy to steal a bike in ninety-seven. Does the bike have plates?

• 51:25Speaker 04

  Man, hello, this guy's went from stealing the baby's identity to steal, to stealing a bicycle? Come on, man, like, what? What a fall from, like, con artist's grace.

• 51:36Laci Mosley?

  Right, you're, you're trending downward. Also, you got caught for stealing a bike, which is very embarrassing. Like.

• 51:44Laci Mosley?

  His Colorado arrest record was the final amount of information for one reporter, David Samuels. So he tracked out James and got his story. So these are the actual facts of James' life. We're getting to the end of this hoodwink. James Hogue was born in Wyandotte, we have so many names in here that I cannot pronounce, Wyandotte County, Kansas, in 1959. He grew up in a working class suburb of Kansas City, Kansas. He went to college in Laramie, Wyoming, and Austin, Texas, and as an older adult, hopped around the mountain resorts of Colorado.

• 52:16Laci Mosley?

  So at the resort towns. Uh, David was finally able to make contact with James when he mailed him a videotape containing interviews he had conducted with James' childhood friend Keith Mark. So Keith then snitched on James. He was like, yeah, I know James, AKA Jay, AKA Alexi. Yeah, yeah, I know him.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  This guy's life is full of snitches.

• 52:33Laci Mosley?

  Right. Keith Mark is a snitch ass name. How you got two first names?

• 52:37Speaker 04

  And your last name is Mark? Yeah, you are.

• 52:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, you out here snitching. The interviews included clips of Keith remembering James idiosyncrasies, growing up together. When James went to McDonald's, he always ordered a Big Mac without the burger. What, now what is, what's a Big Mac without the burger?

• 52:54Speaker 04

  Just, just bun and lettuce and cheese with a sauce?

• 52:59Laci Mosley?

  Is the burger technically the meat?

• 53:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 53:03Laci Mosley?

  Hmm. Okay, just a bread and cheese. So a cheese sandwich?

• 53:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, this guy doesn't sound like a Hindu, but I mean, this, I would do that at McDonald's sometime, time when I was still a teenager. Yeah, my parents would bring me that, like, I went on McDonald's, but I'd get just the lettuce, tomato bun, cheese, just because then you get the sauce. And then they start, then they start getting chicken. I was like, I was all about that chicken. I never ate the beef though.

• 53:26Laci Mosley?

  Right. Okay, that makes sense. Okay. Well, then, yeah, Big Mac without the burger. I learned something new here today. Thank you. So he slept on the floor in a sleeping bag and ran with bells on his feet. So he was conscious of his running stride. Alrighty. In James' mind, running was a way to get out of his otherwise mundane, low income life. He eventually found himself as a freshman at the University of Wyoming in Laramie. In the fall, the men's track team got an intense new coach, Ron Richardson. And according to Ron, sprinters retained muscle memory when they were made to run faster than they normally could. Uh, that's true. So he would tie a rope, a rope to a belt around the runner's waist and tow the runner up and down the high altitude trails, holding the other end of the rope.

• 54:06Speaker 04

  What a brutal coach.

• 54:07Laci Mosley?

  As he drove his Volkswagen Bug.

• 54:12Speaker 04

  Oh no. Wow, this is, that's some dark shit.

• 54:15Laci Mosley?

  Okay, wait. I was with him until he said, yeah, so then he. He dragged, he dragged all his students up a mountain with his car. What?

• 54:26Speaker 04

  I mean, this guy, I wonder if the University of Wyoming, Laramie ever produce any good runners?

• 54:32Laci Mosley?

  I know, we need to look at their statistics because I'm like, this is very unorthodox and I would say unethical.

• 54:38Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 54:41Speaker 04

  I mean, by, by any stretch of imagination, that sounds fucking ridiculous. Was the eighties or sixties?

• 54:47Laci Mosley?

  It was the.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  Seventies.

• 54:49Laci Mosley?

  Seventies. I guess in the seventies, you could tie somebody to your car and call it a workout.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  Shit was crazy back then. Who knows? There wouldn't be, now no one's paying attention.

• 54:58Laci Mosley?

  Right. No one was paying attention to the, to the teachers tying their students to their cars.

• 55:03Speaker 04

  There are bigger things to worry about.

• 55:04Laci Mosley?

  They're like, we busy. No, the police, we did drive by that and we were like, that's odd, but we actually are very busy. So we're just gonna have to let it go for now.

• 55:11Speaker 04

  There's a lot worse going on elsewhere, yeah.

• 55:13Laci Mosley?

  Right. So one time when his runners lost a meet at Brigham Young University, he picked them up early the next morning and dropped them all off seventeen miles from Laramie and told them to run home. So Coach Richardson pushed James into an obsession with pushing his body past the limits of a normal man and eventually got injured through the stress. While they're at the top of a mountain, a fierce ice storm came over the peaks and lightning and hail began to fall. Uh, and the runners were stuck in a summertime blizzard of darkness until it subsided. So they got stuck on this mountain in an ice storm. Trying to run for this coach.

• 55:47Speaker 04

  And this is, this is true.

• 55:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So according to Keith, the snitch Keith, Keith Mark, he said, there's no doubt in my mind that that's what turned Jim his whole world around. And that's why he doesn't realize that maybe he was immortal, just like everyone else. So he's saying because he survived this ice storm, he was like, all right, bet, I'm gonna do crime now.

• 56:07Speaker 04

  Or maybe it was such a crazy, traumatic experience, surviving an ice storm, that something in his brain broke. And he's like, all right, well, I'm just gonna. Steal identities now. I gotta be someone else.

• 56:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, something broke. Everything is a scam and maybe he had this near death experience and realized it. Cause after that, he started stealing car stereos, bicycles. He even stole Keith's gold medal from one of their high school track meets. So he stole from Keith. So maybe that's why Keith had snitched on him.

• 56:35Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. That makes sense. Steal my medals and guy.

• 56:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, then I'm gonna have to snitch on you. Okay, Keith, Keith Mark, maybe you're not a stool pigeon. I take it back. You, you were just trying to get your vengeance. So you're just petty, which I can understand.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  Only if and only if you try to handle it.

• 56:52Speaker 04

  Uh, like finding him first.

• 56:53Laci Mosley?

  Right. You better, did you allow, did you confront James and allow him to run away from you immediately? Or did you just start snitching on him?

• 57:02Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 57:04Laci Mosley?

  So James Hogue today, we're at the end of this. Uh, since James was last caught stealing bikes in the late nineties, he's continued to live a life hopping from town to town in the Colorado Rockies. Wow. In the late two thousands, he was arrested for stealing a hundred thousand dollars worth of property from homes in Telly Ride. Oh my goodness, James is never gonna stop stealing, okay? If it's not nailed down, James is going home with something.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, this is, this sounds like the, the sad demise of a, of a once promising criminal.

• 57:32Laci Mosley?

  Right. In twenty seventeen, James was arrested and sentenced to six years in prisons for possessing burglary tools and stealing two thousand to five thousand dollars worth of items to build an illegal shack on the Aspen Ski and Co ski area. I mean, it sounds like he was just trying to be a contractor. Who decides where you can build things?

• 57:50Speaker 04

  Yes, it's, it's everyone's mountain.

• 57:52Laci Mosley?

  I just wanna know the day where we decided that you couldn't just come someplace and stick a flag in the ground and be like, this is mines. Cause that used to be the way and now I can't stick a flag in nothing.

• 58:02Speaker 04

  This guy's the most true American patriot.

• 58:06Laci Mosley?

  It's giving settler.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  This is, this is my land.

• 58:10Laci Mosley?

  It's giving Oregon trio. It's giving Panifagol settler. I don't, I don't know what y'all are putting him in jail for. He has a lot of talents. Police also found about seventeen thousand dollars in cash in his car and records indicating he'd stole about seventy thousand dollars worth of goods on eBay. During the sentencing, the judge told James, he said that a very consistent thief, but apparently a very bad one because you get caught a lot.

• 58:35Laci Mosley?

  I don't understand what is going on in your mind that leads to this pattern. It is sad. Wow. James.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  Exactly. The judge is exactly correct.

• 58:45Laci Mosley?

  Nah, you ain't gonna embarrass me like that as citizen. James, get up and fight this judge. Y'all need to tussle.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, he's just calling him crazy.

• 58:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't like this. This is very embarrassing. You better tell me I'm a minister of society. He can be like, this is so boring and very ghetto. And honestly, you're very bad at this. Take him away. I don't even wanna look at him.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  I, I, what's the minimum? I'm gonna give you the minimum just because.

• 59:08Laci Mosley?

  You're not even worth our time.

• 59:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, get out of here with this. This will keep the system going. Every time you get caught, it'll be, we'll hit a quota.

• 59:14Laci Mosley?

  You're not even worth banging the gavel on. I'm not even gonna bang the gavel. Court dismissed. Ugh.

• 59:20Speaker 04

  Get out of my office.

• 59:21Laci Mosley?

  Fuck out of here. Fuck out of my court.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  I don't know. I mean, that's what I was saying earlier. It's like, it feels like, uh, this guy, maybe that he should have let that Italian guy study him and.

• 59:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 04

  Fucking with his breakfast. He's like, like, maybe that Italian guy is studying from afar, but like, wow.

• 59:39Laci Mosley?

  Right. He's just, he's just keeping up with news headlines. He's got Google Alerts on him and he's just taking notes.

• 59:44Speaker 04

  What a shame.

• 59:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, James, you, you should have let that Italian man study you. So James is now sixty-two. He was arrested in twenty-twenty-one after parking illegally and stealing power near the site of a recent burger.

• 59:55Speaker 04

  Jesus Christ. What, what? Stealing power?

• 1:00:01Laci Mosley?

  James is playing cops and robbers in real life. He's just like running around waiting for them to tag him. This is just a game of tag.

• 1:00:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's like, oh, he's just waiting for them to catch. Just turn yourself in right now, James.

• 1:00:15Laci Mosley?

  James is like, y'all gonna arrest me? Be honest.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  You should just, yeah, just walk into the police office and just be like, just do, just put the cuffs on him.

• 1:00:24Laci Mosley?

  Right. He's like, he just goes in for maintenance, like getting his oil changed. He's like, I know it's about that time where y'all gonna put me in jail. Let me get some free meals. I'll be about next week. I love it.

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  I stole one of your cars.

• 1:00:37Speaker 04

  I filled it up, don't worry.

• 1:00:40Laci Mosley?

  I just wanted to go to McDonald's and get them before I got arrested, that's all. It's time for scammer of the week. The Red Power Ranger has been arrested by the F, the B and the I because of COVID related fraud. I hope that they were in the Red Power Ranger suit at the time. Say it's morphin' time.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  Oh, what are you getting in trouble for?

• 1:01:00Laci Mosley?

  Uh, COVID fraud.

• 1:01:02Speaker 04

  COVID fraud, that's like, that's terrible. Shame on the power, I always, you know, I always knew something was sus about him.

• 1:01:10Laci Mosley?

  They said it's prison time. Oh, no, I hate to see it. So August St. John, real name Jason Lawrence Geiger, fake name Jason Lee Scott, a lot of names. That's how we know you do crime, has allegedly attended to defraud the PPP program with seventeen other defendants. So these PPP frauds, they keep coming out where people tried to get that loan for the farm that they didn't own.

• 1:01:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, from what I understand, it's, uh, they gave those loans to a lot of people. And a lot of people probably didn't deserve them.

• 1:01:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Speaker 04

  But they got them technically.

• 1:01:43Laci Mosley?

  The government was overloaded. They were too busy. So they were just like, approved, approved, approved. I don't know, just get back to work, y'all. I know we dying, but get back to capitalism.

• 1:01:52Speaker 04

  They didn't really, they didn't really think about it. They didn't really think it through.

• 1:01:55Laci Mosley?

  At all.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  If they did, then it was a scam on purpose to give, uh, money to all their corporate people in a way that.

• 1:02:02Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. I mean, what is the government if not a scam persevering?

• 1:02:06Speaker 04

  Beautiful. You should get that tattoo.

• 1:02:08Laci Mosley?

  So the group received more than three point five million dollars across sixteen separate small business loans and subsequently spent the money on various personal purchases. The scheme was allegedly led by two ringleaders, Michael Hill and Andrew Maron, who arranged for the loans to be dispersed and paid in private accounts. A statement has been released by Austin's Instagram, not a statement by his Instagram. Not the Iowa's press release.

• 1:02:30Speaker 04

  Everything is untrue. Oh, let me edit this post real quick.

• 1:02:34Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  Everything is slightly true.

• 1:02:37Laci Mosley?

  Right. Everything is um adjacent to true.

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  Right. Do we have it? Do we have the IG post?

• 1:02:44Laci Mosley?

  Right. Uh, I do. I don't have the IG post, but he stated that um he was implying that he was being manipulated by third parties into making bad financial decisions. Mister, he said it wasn't even my fault. They did it. They did it. So Mister John at forty seven began his career as the original Red Power Ranger in the early nineties and has since voiced the character for a number of video games and TV series. If he's convicted, defendants each face up to twenty years in federal prison. That is too long in prison for this.

• 1:03:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're gonna make an example out of him, but uh if it's true.

• 1:03:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:18Speaker 04

  Uh, it feels like if that's happening to you, that at some point you gotta know you don't have twenty seven assistants for the one of these guys billing.

• 1:03:27Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:03:29Speaker 04

  You know, it's like. Oh, oh, we have, we have, we have three personal trainers on, you know, like.

• 1:03:36Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:03:37Speaker 04

  At our company.

• 1:03:38Laci Mosley?

  I feel like it was also shady to him. They're like, the Red Power Ranger from the nineties? Yeah, no, oned his ass. He talked about he got a business, a business business? No.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  It was over him when he had that picture with his.

• 1:03:49Laci Mosley?

  Helmet.

• 1:03:49Speaker 04

  That's that's when you know, that was the beginning of the end for that guy.

• 1:03:53Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I do hate that that's his job where like you're famous at that time, but no one knows what you look like, so you have to walk around with a helmet.

• 1:04:03Speaker 04

  It's me.

• 1:04:04Laci Mosley?

  It's me, y'all.

• 1:04:05Speaker 04

  Do you want a picture?

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  Twelve dollars. Come on. I got employees to feed.

• 1:04:12Laci Mosley?

  He said Nobu holding the helmet like, are y'all sure y'all can't get me in?

• 1:04:17Speaker 04

  I was a bad cop. All five of us need to be here? Oh, okay.

• 1:04:21Laci Mosley?

  You don't know who I am? Hold on, let me go to my car and get my helmet.

• 1:04:25Speaker 04

  I'm gonna call my friends.

• 1:04:28Laci Mosley?

  About to morph on you. It's morphing time, bitch. Oh, I love it. Well, thank you so much for coming on. This has been so fun. We always ask, where do you want to be found?

• 1:04:43Speaker 04

  Right now, I'd love for everyone to watch my YouTube special, Thank You China. It's on YouTube. Type in Thank You China.

• 1:04:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, very simple to find. Thank you in China.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  Might track you if you type that into your computer, but

• 1:05:00Speaker 04

  just, just do it. It's worth, they're already tracking.

• 1:05:03Laci Mosley?

  We owe them a lot of money, so you know, it makes sense. And any socials, anywhere people can follow you?

• 1:05:09Speaker 04

  I'm on TikTok, Instagram, all that on at Finding Me Mesh, N E S H.

• 1:05:15Laci Mosley?

  Yes, Finding Me Mesh. I love that. I love that you got that handle before anyone else.

• 1:05:19Speaker 04

  I was years ahead of my time. Still am.

• 1:05:22Laci Mosley?

  And guys, as always, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. If you want to find us and the photos from this episode, scamgodispod on all platforms. If you want to find me, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy on all platforms. All of season two of iCarly is streaming now. Binge it! Congregation. Stay Schemin.

• 1:05:47Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Pies, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay Schemin.

• 1:06:03Speaker 07

  This has been a Team Coco production in association with Earwolf.

• 1:06:14Speaker 05

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