Fraud Friday: The Cunning Clairvoyant w/ Eric Mosley

In this week's Fraud Friday, Laci is joined by her cousin Eric Mosley (Black Mat Yoga) to discuss how a psychic conned Vera Pratt, a well-traveled heiress, out of her inheritance under the guise of curing her of demons. Plus, a wife of a former California State Senator is in hot water after a Bay Area news organization discovered she plagiarized her book from Wikipedia. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 07/11/2022) CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom signed Scam Goddess: Lessons from a Life of Cons, Grifts and Schemes book? Look no more, nab your copy here on PODSWAG Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Eric Mosley: @e_mosley Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://www.thedailybeast.com/santa-clara-woman-jean-mccorquodale-plagiarized-wikipedia-for-book-she-was-paid-millions-to-write-report-sayshttps://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/23/us/23florida.htmlhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpavlo/2011/08/17/psychic-scam-busted-by-feds-in-florida/?sh=2b33c9ac7b22https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/rose-marks-psychic-family-matriarch-found-guilty-on-14-counts-of-fraud-6531594https://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/rose-marks-fort-lauderdale-psychic-behind-17-million-fraud-sentenced-to-ten-years-6459931https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/crime/2013/11/04/convicted-fortune-teller-s-younger/6837074007/

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• 2:49Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 3:31Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? We're back with another episode of Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. And congregation, I am very what? Yes, excited, ecstatic, thrilled even. This is a first. We've never done this on the show, so this guest and I are blood relatives.

• 3:54Speaker 05

  Allegedly.

• 3:55Laci Mosley?

  Allegedly. Guys, this has never happened before. Today, very exciting guest. He's an educator, yoga instructor, and a Lulu Women Ambassador. Come on, Ambassador. He's also the founder of Black Mat Yoga, which was established to address the identity-based inequities in wellness spaces. And this is such an amazing company. Like, Black Mat Yoga, follow it on Instagram. It's, it's, oh my God, I'm just so excited. Congregation, please welcome an icon and my first cousin, Eric Mosley, to the show.

• 4:28Laci Mosley?

  Another self-made Jamaican air horn. You know that's what we do here.

• 4:33Laci Mosley?

  Okay, are there any other sounds that people do? Wiki wiki? I don't know any other.

• 4:37Speaker 05

  That's not it.

• 4:38Laci Mosley?

  That's not it? Okay.

• 4:39Speaker 05

  That's not the sound.

• 4:40Laci Mosley?

  So, yes, all the mouth sounds that we could possibly make. I don't know anything but the Jamaican air horn.

• 4:45Speaker 05

  That's good enough.

• 4:46Laci Mosley?

  Why don't we have an African American air horn? Now, it sound like the racist white people were like, "Why do y'all have black history?"

• 4:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, we could say like, "Yur."

• 4:53Laci Mosley?

  Yur.

• 4:54Speaker 05

  But you can't yur it.

• 4:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you could yur it. I haven't heard that on a track, though.

• 4:59Speaker 05

  It's not, yeah, it's definitely not on a track.

• 5:00Laci Mosley?

  No. But anyway, thank you so much for being here.

• 5:05Speaker 05

  Thanks for having me. I too am, what?

• 5:07Laci Mosley?

  Excited. Yes. Now, I'm gonna need y'all to put some respect on our last name, because this is M O S L E Y. I'm seeing some E L Ys. They be doing the smear on our Harley, too. Yeah, so we have the same last name.

• 5:18Speaker 05

  We do.

• 5:18Laci Mosley?

  For now.

• 5:18Speaker 05

  Because we really are cousins.

• 5:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we really are cousins. Uh, we do, I know why you said it like that. There's a woman, y'all, who, oh, God, is she gonna hear this? Um, we're not gonna say her handle or anything. It's probably more than one. But she, like, pretends to be my cousin and then branched it out to being your cousin.

• 5:34Speaker 05

  And she brought it over to my page, and we weren't having it over here.

• 5:38Laci Mosley?

  Oh, and you told her that you weren't cousins?

• 5:40Speaker 05

  Of course I did.

• 5:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 5:42Speaker 05

  I was like, "We're not cousins." Or I was like, "Hello, love, what's, what side of the family are you on?" And she gave some kind of roundabout, like, "Oh, I'm on, I'm on, uh, Lacey's dad's side," or some, some craziness.

• 5:55Laci Mosley?

  Daddy, sister, uncle, brother.

• 5:57Speaker 05

  Some extended.

• 5:58Laci Mosley?

  I was like, "Did you do ancestry and they, they pinged me or something?" I don't know.

• 6:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was like, "Yeah, nah, no, we're not. We're not cousins. You're not in the family."

• 6:06Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 6:07Speaker 05

  Stop playing.

• 6:07Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. I think you might be cousins. If I gotta be cousins, you're gonna be cousins, too.

• 6:11Speaker 05

  No, listen, like I said, you gotta shut it down.

• 6:13Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I, I'm not gonna acknowledge it. I'll just look. If you wanna be like, "Congrats, cousin," like, you know.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  Listen, she surely, she surely stopped saying that on my page and deleted the comments, too.

• 6:26Laci Mosley?

  Well, there you go.

• 6:27Speaker 05

  You gotta stop.

• 6:28Laci Mosley?

  Listen, this is a harmless scam. For now.

• 6:32Speaker 05

  Until it's not, right?

• 6:33Laci Mosley?

  Okay, until, until it's not, until she start taking out loans, payday loans, like through her cousin, which she very well might do. Well, we always ask on the show, Eric, what is your relationship with scams? Do you like them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? It could literally be anything.

• 6:48Speaker 05

  So I do like scams that benefit the common person.

• 6:55Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 6:55Speaker 05

  Right? Like kind of a brotherhood, like.

• 6:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like not punching down, yeah.

• 6:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do have a relationship with scams. I went to college.

• 7:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay, yeah, very big one.

• 7:06Speaker 05

  It was financed by student loans.

• 7:08Laci Mosley?

  Yup. Yup.

• 7:11Speaker 05

  Thinking that this was gonna better my life. And in many ways it did, however, them student loan payments, this woman by the name of Sally Mae, who recently changed it to Navient, is the devil. And them people are relentless.

• 7:24Laci Mosley?

  They really are.

• 7:25Speaker 05

  And.

• 7:26Laci Mosley?

  Do you have them saved in your phone? Cause I have them saved in my phone.

• 7:29Speaker 05

  I don't have them saved. No, I don't have them saved. But they scammed me to get me to answer the phone. So there was a point, and you know this story.

• 7:41Speaker 05

  There was a point in New York, you know.

• 7:43Laci Mosley?

  We were living together at the time.

• 7:45Speaker 05

  In New York, I was a couple of years out of undergrad, and you know, them loans was hidden and the payments were not, right? So I, I needed to make some payments.

• 7:55Laci Mosley?

  I was on deferment. I told them I was an actress, and they, I remember the, the loan person laughed. She was like, ha, ha, ha, yeah, we'll put you back on deferment. I was like, damn.

• 8:04Speaker 05

  So I was, I thought I was deferring, but I guess it had, it had ran its course.

• 8:09Laci Mosley?

  And it started recurring.

• 8:10Speaker 05

  They were like.

• 8:11Laci Mosley?

  And they were inferring as to where their money was.

• 8:14Speaker 05

  Exactly, exactly. They were curious and like, where these coins? So after a little while, I wasn't answering the phone. Why did I get a call from my father? So I'm looking at my phone, it says dad, and I'm like, hey dad, what's up?

• 8:27Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 8:27Speaker 05

  And he's like, hey man, uh, hold on real quick. And then it's like, hello Eric Mosley, this is, you know, so and so from Sally Mae.

• 8:37Laci Mosley?

  They gave you a three-way, a three-way mean girls phone call?

• 8:40Speaker 05

  Exactly. They called me on three-way with my daddy and had my daddy call. So I was.

• 8:49Laci Mosley?

  Yo, they straight up did aggression wieners to you. They were like, she could never win because she's such a slut. Why would you say that?

• 8:56Speaker 05

  So you're really mad, right?

• 8:57Laci Mosley?

  So you're really mad, right?

• 8:58Speaker 05

  That's exactly what happened.

• 8:59Laci Mosley?

  See, I told you she wasn't mad at Sally Mae.

• 9:01Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 9:02Laci Mosley?

  See Sally Mae, I told you he wouldn't be mad.

• 9:04Speaker 05

  I told you he wouldn't be mad at you, Dad. But go ahead, we'll need to go ahead and make a payment today. Can you pay like 5,000? I was like, uh, no, we cannot pay that.

• 9:13Laci Mosley?

  Not today.

• 9:13Speaker 05

  So that's one scam. And then I think one other scam right after undergrad.

• 9:19Speaker 05

  Someone who I trusted was doing, so in Texas where I was living at the time, they had like deregulated the energy industry. So you didn't have to go through like TXU or whoever anymore. So there was this company and it was kind of like the like pyramid.

• 9:36Laci Mosley?

  You could just get gas from the homie.

• 9:37Speaker 05

  You could just get gas.

• 9:39Laci Mosley?

  Your homie's like, hey y'all, we gonna have wine and cheese and we gonna be selling gas.

• 9:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, they gas. So the energy, so someone who I trusted, they were like, oh, you know, this great opportunity. You can make X amount of money if you just get to your family, the people that you know, like and trust to just switch from their regular energy to this energy. It's gonna save, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And I think that was true. And it was helping people and they did have a big sign on a building in like downtown Dallas that was, that they like had never had a sign on before. So like think of a skyscraper with like a logo on it.

• 10:16Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 10:17Speaker 05

  So it was like that.

• 10:17Laci Mosley?

  But that can also be a part of the scam is like making things look legit.

• 10:20Speaker 05

  It was so legitimized. It was so legitimized. And they were like, yeah, as long as you get.

• 10:24Laci Mosley?

  Well, that's necessary. Like if you pull up to me and you go talking about, I got energy in the back of my trunk, like I'm not gonna partake in that.

• 10:29Speaker 05

  Right. But then I just needed to ask people like, who's your energy provider? Give me your like confidential information so I can switch you on over. Right? The people were not having it and I couldn't, you know, but there were some really big financial incentives. But it was just one of those things. And I think it worked for other people. It just did not work for me. And I also didn't know enough about energy to like make this a real thing.

• 10:54Laci Mosley?

  How many kilowatts am I, he was like, they, listen, these watts are really gonna be whiten. These vibes, it's giving.

• 11:00Speaker 05

  No, you gonna have energy.

• 11:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's giving lights.

• 11:02Speaker 05

  It's giving energy.

• 11:03Laci Mosley?

  Stoves and oven.

• 11:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:06Laci Mosley?

  Heat.

• 11:07Speaker 05

  So did you want to switch over now?

• 11:10Laci Mosley?

  I feel like it's also just not very on brand for you, like.

• 11:13Speaker 05

  We were trying to figure it out, but.

• 11:14Laci Mosley?

  Like you're an educator, you do wellness, but this is before you were in the wellness space. But like as an educator, you know, or going to warehouse, it's very funny. It's a hard pivot to be like, yeah, now I sell these.

• 11:24Speaker 05

  Now I'm selling y'all energy.

• 11:26Laci Mosley?

  These energies, do y'all want them?

• 11:28Speaker 05

  So it was a little scam, like I did have a little investment that I invested to get into the biz to make it back. But I couldn't, I couldn't get my two people in and then get they two people to come in and get they two people. So I had to go ahead and bow out of that.

• 11:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's how, that's how Pons, their MLMs work. Cause they're like, just invest initially and then just like terrorize your friends and family, get them involved. But I mean, at least this one, it sounds like, okay, there could have been some discounts. If you watch Florida Girls, there is a joke about this where, uh, Laura Chen's character is a door to door energy salesman.

• 12:02Speaker 05

  It was given that.

• 12:05Speaker 05

  But instead of door to door, it was like text to text, call to call.

• 12:08Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 12:10Laci Mosley?

  Which I feel like if I got a text like that from my homie, or like if I got a Facebook post that was like, are you satisfied? I'd be like, I don't know. I don't know about these.

• 12:18Speaker 05

  Probably not gonna go to you though. And then, and then there was the, also the blessing, blessing circle. The pandemic, it came back. Yeah, you know, it's like, you pay fifty dollars, send or send five hundred to this person and then bring the people in and then. Same situation. And I, and trusted friends were doing it and, and was getting blessed, was getting blessed. But I, I just wasn't able to continue to build, you know, it was during the pandemic.

• 12:45Laci Mosley?

  Did you get blessed? And he was like, thank you so much. Or did you help with blessing and then?

• 12:50Speaker 05

  So here's, here's where the trusted friends part did come in. So the friends who brought, who, you know, approached me to be in the, in the blessing circle variation.

• 13:03Speaker 05

  They were like, yeah, you need to bring your people and that this is how it works. It continues to work this way.

• 13:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 13:07Speaker 05

  So I could, I brought like two people in or they helped me bring a person. But when I couldn't deliver or when those people couldn't deliver on they two people, they were like, we'll just give you your money, your investment back, like.

• 13:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz they trying to keep.

• 13:19Speaker 05

  We gonna get you out.

• 13:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they trying to keep the scam going. They don't want you getting on Facebook and like blowing the spot up cuz you got robbed in the blessing circle. I mean, I thank God that all of my friends know better than to come to me with business opportunities.

• 13:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I didn't, that's why I didn't come to you. I was like, I'm not gonna be on the podcast.

• 13:33Laci Mosley?

  The fastest way for my phone to go on full Android mode. All of a sudden I have a Galaxy, my texts are green. And you're like, hey, I gotta piss, listen, you wanna get in on the ground floor? I don't, I don't know if I ever wanna be on the ground floor or anything.

• 13:46Speaker 05

  They won, they won, they won. But it, I mean, it, it was very successful for them. Yeah, it was very successful for them.

• 13:52Laci Mosley?

  And I do wanna make a correction cuz somebody did talk to me about Susus and like one of our other guests brought up Susus. And like, I guess they can also be like a connection for people who don't have like traditional banking systems. So that way, I guess it can be legitimate. I don't know enough about it, but they said that, so I was like.

• 14:07Speaker 05

  Susus is like also very cultural and it's like a, you know, like a positive business. Yeah, it's like a legitimate cultural way of support, like supporting the community, supporting your family.

• 14:18Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely.

• 14:18Speaker 05

  Responsible, saving and all those things, but yeah, they bought me back out. It didn't work.

• 14:24Laci Mosley?

  So Erin is a scammer. We already knew that that was gonna be.

• 14:27Speaker 05

  I'm adjacent. I'm not a scammer.

• 14:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay, yeah, all right. We in the cul-de-sac, we on the, we on the mobile drive.

• 14:33Speaker 05

  Scam adjacent.

• 14:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we not quite, quite on the street.

• 14:36Speaker 05

  No, no, no.

• 14:36Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no. Okay, cool, cool, cool. We are in the area though.

• 14:39Speaker 05

  We're in the air. We're looking over the fence.

• 14:41Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we're, we're on a terrace. Not a street, but it may be a terrace. Uh, guys, we're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements and we'll be back for the first segment of the show. What's hot in fraud?

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• 16:58Laci Mosley?

  And we are back and it's time for the first segment of the show. What's hot and fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about poppin' scams in the zeitgeist. More often than not these days, you know, we get a listener letter. As always, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Just make sure scam is retired because we don't want to what?

• 17:14Speaker 05

  Fuck up your bag.

• 17:15Laci Mosley?

  Fuck up your bag, yes.

• 17:16Speaker 05

  I listen to the pod.

• 17:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, oh, I love that. We saw a parasocial moment come true. Love that for us.

• 17:22Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 17:23Laci Mosley?

  Did all you guys feel involved? I hope you said at the same time as him. That's what I want. This is Blue's Clues, but for robbery, okay? These are Blue's Con clues. We gonna give you all the clues. So, we're talking, I need a fake name for this person. Obviously, it's gonna be a listener letter.

• 17:38Laci Mosley?

  Fake name.

• 17:39Speaker 05

  Ladarius.

• 17:40Laci Mosley?

  Ladarius, love it. So Ladarius says, hi Lacey, love the pod. Scamming and scheming is so fun to hear about. Oh, I have a story for you. Okay, Ladarius, what's going on?

• 17:49Speaker 05

  Get into it.

• 17:50Laci Mosley?

  So Ladarius says, I'm omitting some key details so that if who's involved are listening, they can't figure out who ratted them out. Ladarius, that's your-

• 17:58Speaker 05

  Everybody gonna know it's you.

• 17:59Laci Mosley?

  Ladarius, are you a stoic vision? Cause it's giving, you did it.

• 18:03Speaker 05

  Right. And let me tell the story, so you get my perspective.

• 18:06Laci Mosley?

  Right. And let me shift the narrative away from myself.

• 18:09Speaker 05

  Away from me. So they won't know it's me.

• 18:12Laci Mosley?

  So Ladarius says, okay, here we go. This may not quite be a scam, but it definitely feels like it. TikTok-born lesbian relationships.

• 18:22Laci Mosley?

  Wait, so the-

• 18:23Speaker 05

  Like they met on TikTok?

• 18:23Laci Mosley?

  They met on TikTok? They started doing the dance and then they was like, we gay.

• 18:29Speaker 05

  Five, six, seven.

• 18:30Laci Mosley?

  Except, you know, whoa.

• 18:33Speaker 05

  Now we go together.

• 18:34Laci Mosley?

  Hit the sapphic. Whoa. Okay, I'm a sapphic.

• 18:38Speaker 05

  Or are they-

• 18:39Laci Mosley?

  Classic, boozy, Russian.

• 18:43Speaker 05

  Are they, or are they just going together? Are they in a relationship for the TikTok?

• 18:48Laci Mosley?

  So it says, my cousin, which is why I picked this, cause I was like, okay, we're cousins. Like, you know, we love a familiar moment. Let's call her Tracy. This is very pointed. This, Eric, did you write about this?

• 18:59Speaker 05

  I didn't.

• 19:00Laci Mosley?

  Let me check the email. Fake name Tracy and they cousins.

• 19:04Speaker 05

  Right about this.

• 19:05Laci Mosley?

  Is nearly a thirty-five-year-old woman, okay, who recently got out of a five-year relationship. Now, she was scammed during this relationship. The now ex-girlfriend convinced her to take out new lines of credit, put a car in her name, and be the primary signer on a house lease, all to then charge wildly to that new credit card, not pay her car loan, and ask her not to remove herself from the lease when they broke up. Ooh.

• 19:29Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 19:30Laci Mosley?

  Nasty business.

• 19:31Speaker 05

  Okay. That's a lot, though.

• 19:34Laci Mosley?

  I would be okay with just like the lease situation, because like, moving is hard, like, let's figure it out, whatever, but credit card.

• 19:42Speaker 05

  One of those things is a no.

• 19:43Laci Mosley?

  Car loan. This woman trying to ruin your credit.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  But also, how you gonna let somebody do all of those things?

• 19:52Laci Mosley?

  Cause they was lesbians.

• 19:56Speaker 05

  I mean, I, I get we do things for love, but at some point.

• 20:00Laci Mosley?

  No, no, the answer is lesbians. Okay, cause you start dating, the, the U-Haul pull up so quick, and then, I normally, it starts at the U-Haul.

• 20:09Speaker 05

  It's the move-in, you're right, it's the move-in, or it's a credit card.

• 20:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the joke is not, we go to Bank of America, we open up a lot of credit.

• 20:17Speaker 05

  And buy a house. And a car.

• 20:20Laci Mosley?

  The joke isn't put my name on the deed.

• 20:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is too much.

• 20:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay, the U-Hauls, we moving it together, not like, we getting a home that you paying for, but my name is on it.

• 20:28Speaker 05

  Oh, but don't take my name off when you move, like, don't, but don't take my name off.

• 20:32Laci Mosley?

  Girl, I'm sorry, but, uh, Tracy, I think you, uh, were dating a city girl, cause it's giving, uh, if you, if you were rich, nigga, I'ma fuck you, so you ain't one.

• 20:43Speaker 05

  Period.

• 20:43Laci Mosley?

  Period. So, the breakup was horrible and sad, oh, I'm sorry, Tracy, but then to find some sort of creative outlet, Tracy began a TikTok account. Typical emo millennial TikTok content and whatever. But now, here's where the true scam of it all begins. She meets someone on the app, let's call her Penny. Now, I don't, so listen, I thought that the TikTok lesbian scam was gonna be the lesbian that we just heard about. Okay, now this starting to look like Tracy fault.

• 21:09Speaker 05

  That's what I'm saying, it's too much.

• 21:11Laci Mosley?

  Tracy.

• 21:12Speaker 05

  So here's where it starts. Well, what was, what was the context? What was the back?

• 21:17Laci Mosley?

  So basically you're just telling us Tracy and Mark, you're telling us your cousin is out here getting played with and enjoying it. They play Monopoly. She's like, I love it. I love Hasbro.

• 21:26Speaker 05

  Now, as a cousin, you're supposed to step in and course correct.

• 21:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 21:29Speaker 05

  You can't let your cousin just get played like this several times.

• 21:32Laci Mosley?

  My cousin Eric would never let me do this. This is a lot.

• 21:35Speaker 05

  You have to go to college. We have to commit you somewhere. Lacey has gone to college.

• 21:40Laci Mosley?

  She definitely had a degree already. Well, she's back in college, guys. The scam streak saying, Lacey ain't in college. So now she's on TikTok and let's say she's met this TikTok lesbian named Penny. I'm no longer gonna call this person TikTok lesbian. I'm just gonna call him Penny now. We've established us as just in the... What was his name? Levontarius?

• 22:01Speaker 05

  Ledarius.

• 22:02Laci Mosley?

  Ledarius, we get it. So now, I don't know all the details of the relationship, but looking at their two accounts after the alleged relationship's start date time and the original breakup in November 21, then the new relationship started around early January 2022. So November 2021 is the end of the year. This starts at the beginning of the year.

• 22:22Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 22:23Laci Mosley?

  All of a sudden, Penny invites Tracy to come visit her. Now Penny has five children, all under the age of 12, and lives in, let's say, Virginia, and my family lives in, let's say, California. So you're telling me this is like a cross-country visit, essentially?

• 22:40Speaker 05

  East Coast, West Coast.

• 22:41Laci Mosley?

  East Coast, West Coast. Penny got five children?

• 22:46Speaker 05

  And they're all under 12.

• 22:49Laci Mosley?

  Penny, you got a child for every letter in your name.

• 22:52Speaker 05

  That's...

• 22:52Laci Mosley?

  Penny, that's a... Now, look.

• 22:55Speaker 05

  So Penny was, Penny was pregnant for a long time.

• 22:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Penny, that's almost like...

• 22:59Speaker 05

  She stayed pregnant.

• 23:00Laci Mosley?

  That's like four years of pregnancy. Look, children are our future. Well, no, it's nine months of pop, and then you give or take, like, what, three months?

• 23:09Speaker 05

  I mean, but you...

• 23:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you got some rollover, some savings.

• 23:15Laci Mosley?

  The blue light special.

• 23:17Speaker 05

  There's like three months where you can not be pregnant within a year.

• 23:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 23:20Speaker 05

  That's, okay.

• 23:21Laci Mosley?

  Penny's job was getting pregnant. Which, look, if you want to have a lot of kids, if you want to John and Kate and have plus eight, just as long as you're not...

• 23:31Speaker 05

  She was using all that FMLA. She stayed pregnant.

• 23:37Laci Mosley?

  This is a lot of kids. She stayed with a baby.

• 23:41Speaker 05

  Okay, so then where's her baby? Did she have a baby father?

• 23:43Laci Mosley?

  See, we don't know yet. And yeah, okay.

• 23:49Laci Mosley?

  We tried not to be judgmental. All these pauses we're both taking. So Tracy says, sure, I'll come visit. And Penny fully funds the entire trip. So now Penny is paying. She flew, she flew her out.

• 24:01Speaker 05

  She flew out.

• 24:03Laci Mosley?

  Tracy tells my family that she's leaving on this vacation, maybe three days before she's about to go. And we're all like, um, now, what now? Because we haven't even heard Penny's name even mentioned before. And this... And Tracy used up all her paid time off. So we tried to discourage this trip. Because she needs to work to pay off her debts. And we don't know this person, and we don't know if they're sketchy, but it's just no use. So Tracy's family is kind of seeming like, they're like, all right, Tracy, you in a lot of debt.

• 24:31Speaker 05

  They're like, we don't tap you on the shoulders.

• 24:34Laci Mosley?

  And now if you get behind on these bills, Tracy, if you, Tracy, if you got to start chasing these bills, then you're just gonna be out here, like, in a helicopter and on a police chase, because we can't help you.

• 24:45Speaker 05

  Right.

• 24:45Laci Mosley?

  We can't help you chase these bills.

• 24:47Speaker 05

  Tracy, remember, just three months ago, maybe in 2021,

• 24:53Speaker 05

  we're scammed out of, out of everything. And now you're in a new...

• 24:55Laci Mosley?

  Tracy, before you go on this flight, just open up your checking account.

• 24:59Speaker 05

  Trace.

• 24:59Laci Mosley?

  Just see what it's saying. Go to the mailbox and see who in there.

• 25:02Speaker 05

  And her gay old king boy, Tracy.

• 25:04Laci Mosley?

  Tracy.

• 25:05Speaker 05

  Tracy.

• 25:06Laci Mosley?

  Tracy.

• 25:06Speaker 05

  Tracy.

• 25:08Laci Mosley?

  So they're like, Tracy's incorrigible. We can't stop her. So now...

• 25:16Speaker 05

  But she just met Penny. So what about it?

• 25:18Laci Mosley?

  So they're trying to tell Tracy this. It's of no use. Tracy leaves, and we don't hear anything other than that she got there safely. Then we get a call from Tracy saying she's going to move to Virginia to go live with Penny, and there's no use trying to stop her.

• 25:34Speaker 05

  Nothing you can do about it.

• 25:35Laci Mosley?

  Nothing we could do about it. Tracy says, this ain't the mask. Somebody stop me. No, nobody's stopping me, okay? No reason would be... Okay, so no reason would convince her, no matter what. I find out from a friend that something similar happened to her sister. Someone on TikTok reached out to her sister and they began a relationship which led to her moving in. Now Tracy has moved in and I haven't heard nothing. And Penny's social media shows that this may be a pattern and that she's fallen and like done this before. Meet a younger woman online.

• 26:07Speaker 05

  Oh, go ahead, yeah.

• 26:08Laci Mosley?

  So basically, her social media, Penny's social media is giving like, she meets a younger girl on TikTok. She starts, you know, doing the dances and whatnot. Tracy's 10 years younger than Penny. Then she woos the younger girl out to be with her.

• 26:21Speaker 05

  So she's flying people to move to, from different places to come live with her?

• 26:25Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and her five kids.

• 26:26Speaker 05

  Her five kids.

• 26:27Laci Mosley?

  Um.

• 26:30Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 26:31Laci Mosley?

  I'm not trying to be harsh, this is what Ladarius says. I'm not trying to be harsh on love if that's what this turns out to be. So we still miss Cam, we don't know. But it just doesn't seem like this since it's Penny's pattern. I just want to urge the vulnerable women out there to be careful. Do your research on someone and stay safe. It ain't no shame in being in a long-distance relationship or fully vetting someone before altering your entire life to fit theirs. Now, I will say.

• 26:54Speaker 05

  Wait, that's it?

• 26:54Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So this is Miss Cam, we don't know how this ends.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  Oh. So.

• 26:58Laci Mosley?

  This is a letter, like, from someone. So.

• 27:01Speaker 05

  I don't need a resolution.

• 27:03Laci Mosley?

  We do need a resolution. I'm gonna need you to follow back up, Ladarius, because you really left us hanging here. Um, you left us hanging.

• 27:10Speaker 05

  At least, at least, uh, confident, or.

• 27:14Laci Mosley?

  Right, like a little no at the bottom for us. No, but Ladarius, let us know how this pans out.

• 27:18Speaker 05

  What's her TikTok name?

• 27:19Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 27:20Speaker 05

  What's Peggy's TikTok?

• 27:21Laci Mosley?

  Ladarius, give us Penny TikTok, give us Penny TikTok. Um, I will say though, this is perfect for Tracy because Tracy was already down bad. Her credit is giving.

• 27:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:31Laci Mosley?

  There's no, the FICO ain't FICOing no more, you know?

• 27:34Speaker 05

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 27:35Laci Mosley?

  Credit Karma just. Sent her emails like, ah, it's just a deep sigh.

• 27:41Speaker 05

  Now Tracy.

• 27:42Laci Mosley?

  They were like, girl, we ain't even got no numbers for you, cuz it's that bad. Yeah, we, we entered the no number territory. It's just a sad face.

• 27:50Speaker 05

  Not an emoji.

• 27:51Laci Mosley?

  It's just an emoji. It's just that emoji that's melting into the earth.

• 27:56Speaker 05

  No, it's the, it's the woo emoji that like, like blow like, like dang, like stressed, like.

• 28:02Laci Mosley?

  You know it's bad with credit card would not even lie to you cuz like, isn't credit card would be like, woo, your credit's up? And then experian would be like, no, it's not bitch.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:10Laci Mosley?

  Don't even get to getting excited. But yes, so she already had the bad credit. She already had the house situation where like, we don't know if the ex is still living there. So she's like, why not move out of the city, you know?

• 28:22Speaker 05

  Why not?

• 28:23Laci Mosley?

  I get it.

• 28:23Speaker 05

  I always wanted to be a stepmama to five kids.

• 28:26Laci Mosley?

  That's a lot of.

• 28:27Speaker 05

  Under 12.

• 28:28Laci Mosley?

  Also, five kids under 12, that's a very important distinction because that means that whoever these babies' daddies are, are very much still in.

• 28:36Speaker 05

  Still in the, yeah.

• 28:37Laci Mosley?

  This person's life. Penny, definitely know her, at least one of them.

• 28:41Speaker 05

  There's lots of question marks here.

• 28:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 28:43Speaker 05

  Why is Penny moving all these young girls and while also continuing to procreate with whomever she's procreating?

• 28:51Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 28:53Speaker 05

  This just doesn't make sense. Like this, this.

• 28:56Laci Mosley?

  Penny.

• 28:57Speaker 05

  This don't make sense. Somebody gotta call up and, and clear the air. Somebody let us know.

• 29:00Laci Mosley?

  Cuz what's going on with these kids? Like, are these kids like just seeing a new woman and be like, this your new auntie? And we like, Auntie Tracy, auntie.

• 29:07Speaker 05

  And y'all on TikTok.

• 29:09Laci Mosley?

  Y'all doing TikToks together?

• 29:11Speaker 05

  What are y'all do, what is, I don't know.

• 29:14Laci Mosley?

  Doja Cat got a new dance. Every time Doja got a new dance, y'all got a new auntie. That's not, that's not good.

• 29:19Speaker 05

  This is, yeah. Okay.

• 29:21Laci Mosley?

  That's not good.

• 29:22Speaker 05

  It's not good.

• 29:23Laci Mosley?

  Y'all shouldn't have a new stepmama that often. I don't agree with that. Tracy, what are you up to?

• 29:28Speaker 05

  I'm concerned.

• 29:28Laci Mosley?

  I am a little concerned. But guys, we're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertising, so we'll be back with my favorite part of the show, historic hoodwink.

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• 31:39Laci Mosley?

  And we're back and it's time for my favorite part of the show, historic hoodwink.

• 31:42Speaker 05

  This is my favorite too.

• 31:43Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yay. I love that for us. Um, today we're gonna regale Eric and get his opinions all throughout. Maybe we love this person, maybe we hate them. We will see. Today we're talking about Vera Pratt, who was a well-traveled heiress who just recently settled in New England. But when she reached out to a tabloid psychic to cure her of her demons, her life turned upside down.

• 32:06Speaker 05

  Not fighting demons.

• 32:08Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Sometimes you gotta fist fight demons. You gotta throw hands with some demons. I am mad at it. Have you ever gone to a psychic?

• 32:16Speaker 05

  I have gone to a psychic. And they were not psychic.

• 32:20Laci Mosley?

  They weren't?

• 32:20Speaker 05

  No.

• 32:21Laci Mosley?

  Okay, well you can't go in there and be like, what am I gonna eat today?

• 32:25Speaker 05

  Who said that? Who said that's what I did? No, she was just in there giving me like, um, it was actually, um, I think it was in like New Orleans and they were on.

• 32:34Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay.

• 32:34Speaker 05

  Like on the street.

• 32:35Laci Mosley?

  They're supposed to really be psychic there. Come on now. That's like the witchiest city.

• 32:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, and but they were just giving me just very general. It was like a, like, almost like reading horoscope. Like just very general things that could or could not be true.

• 32:48Laci Mosley?

  Right. That's how horoscopes work. You always like look at the good shit and you're like, yeah, yeah, I am about to be prosperous. My palm was itching the other day. But when it's like, oh, you're gonna make a portrait. I'm like, that's for somebody else. Let me look at the rest of my chart, cuz that's not me. Co-star be trying to gaslight me. That's why I'm going there no more. Co-star be like, you are making bad choices in your life. Come see why. I'm like, I'm not going over there no more.

• 33:07Speaker 05

  Well, I was with, with the family, so they were like, um, just saying stuff like, oh, I'm seeing like, you are responsible. And I'm like looking at my little brothers and I'm like, girl. And then we were with Lisa too. And so my stepmom, she had, at the time she was like using, uh, she had had a knee surgery, so she had a, like a cane. And then the lady was like, oh, I can see that you need healing. And I was like, girl, we, I can see that too. Yeah, she has a cane.

• 33:40Laci Mosley?

  Bruh, let me get my, let me get my crystal ball real quick because what am I doing?

• 33:45Speaker 05

  She was like, I can see here that you need to heal. And Lisa was eating it up. She was like.

• 33:52Laci Mosley?

  She was like, I do need to heal.

• 33:53Speaker 05

  I do. I just had a surgery.

• 33:55Laci Mosley?

  And then she like walks away with the cake.

• 33:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, and I'm like, now Lisa. Chill. Okay, so yeah.

• 34:01Laci Mosley?

  She was like, I can see that right now your body feels warm. She's like, I am sweating.

• 34:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's hot outside.

• 34:07Laci Mosley?

  It's eighty-five degrees.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  It is the summertime.

• 34:10Laci Mosley?

  How you know that?

• 34:13Speaker 05

  No, but I do believe in psychics. I do believe that they're a real psychic.

• 34:15Laci Mosley?

  I do too. I do believe that there are some people can be clairvoyant. I've definitely done a psychic hotline before I called. During the pandemic, like very early, I was like, let me just see what's going on.

• 34:25Speaker 05

  What's gonna happen here? What's, what's going on with this panorama?

• 34:31Laci Mosley?

  Psychic hotline, yeah. Is De'awar there? Okay, no, she don't work, De'awar? How about Cleo?

• 34:36Speaker 05

  How about Cleo?

• 34:37Laci Mosley?

  Okay, she go.

• 34:37Speaker 05

  Call him now.

• 34:38Laci Mosley?

  Call him now. She not call her right now though. Call her later.

• 34:41Speaker 05

  You remember your Miss Cleo videotapes?

• 34:44Laci Mosley?

  Oh, gosh. I'm so glad that that got lost because there's so many things that I, that really y'all would have just dragged me through the mud for that I did and videotaped as a kid.

• 34:52Speaker 05

  We used to.

• 34:53Laci Mosley?

  Cooking with cousins.

• 34:54Speaker 05

  Cooking with cousins. We used to just set up a camcorder and just do things in front of it. And Cooking with Cousins is one of the shows. We, we had one show.

• 35:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes, we had one show.

• 35:01Speaker 05

  It was just one episode. It was one episode.

• 35:03Laci Mosley?

  You know, it was Mama's. Of a hit show.

• 35:06Speaker 05

  We made Rice Krispie Treats.

• 35:07Laci Mosley?

  We did. You know, I, now that I think about it, like the kids are just doing that with TikTok, except for now it can go viral and most of the people will see it. So I'm sorry the show don't have handheld VHSs that your parents can lose, like we did.

• 35:18Speaker 05

  Sorry.

• 35:19Laci Mosley?

  We just lived a better life than you did. Everything you do is online. And I hate that for y'all. So.

• 35:25Speaker 05

  Same.

• 35:26Laci Mosley?

  At the age of seventy, Vera became convinced that she had these demons and that they were inhabiting her body and sabotaging her life. The heiress was the great granddaughter of the eighteen hundreds oil magnate Charles Pratt, which left her a sizable trust. Most of her life, she spent most of her money on other people from charities to relatives. Okay, so I was about to say. I would say Vera, I was gonna say the demons might be on, on them black people you probably stole out his wealth from, but.

• 35:53Laci Mosley?

  I was like, it's not, it's giving like linear.

• 35:57Laci Mosley?

  But you know.

• 35:59Speaker 05

  This is a very, this photo is, is very.

• 36:02Laci Mosley?

  It's giving like massive energy. Yeah. You stole, that money was stolen. Big massive energy.

• 36:08Speaker 05

  Big slave owner energy, enslaved person energy.

• 36:12Laci Mosley?

  And not nice slave owner energy either.

• 36:14Speaker 05

  No, no, no.

• 36:14Laci Mosley?

  It's not giving you, it's giving some people some lemonade and letting them sit on the porch sometimes. It's giving like you was cruel. Yeah. It's giving Django slave man. It's giving some senile, miss your candy.

• 36:25Speaker 05

  This is not good.

• 36:26Laci Mosley?

  No, we don't like that. So, but she was giving back and maybe that's why, cause her daddy was miss your candy.

• 36:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, so she's benevolent, but she, but she's 70.

• 36:33Laci Mosley?

  Right, but also where were you giving benevolence to? You know, cause that also matters.

• 36:38Speaker 05

  It does, but are the, but.

• 36:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 36:40Speaker 05

  Were the demons with you from, from the jump?

• 36:42Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 36:43Speaker 05

  Or did you get 70 and you like now I'm fighting demons?

• 36:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it might be some 70 year old, like some mental demons. Uh, but so she had spent her life traveling the world, learning about Yunjian. Psychology in Vienna and even studying with Harvard psychologist Timothy Leary. In 2006, she bought a $2 million home, moved from Washington DC to Martha's Vineyard. But she couldn't rid herself of the conviction that the demons inside of her kept her without a social life. One day she came across an advertisement in a magazine for a psychic who went by the name of Angela. Great psychic name, Angela Lansbury, you know, it's giving life spirit.

• 37:19Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 37:20Laci Mosley?

  Love it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna be, if I'm a psychic, I'm gonna be Madame Arcadi. And then if you just don't know anything about theater, you won't know I'm a criminal. So for Vera, Angela would become her spiritual savior.

• 37:30Speaker 05

  What if you do, and you're like, wait, are you a criminal?

• 37:34Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, you got me.

• 37:36Speaker 05

  Wait, so are you a psychic or are you that theatrical criminal there? I'm aware of.

• 37:41Laci Mosley?

  I'm, listen, I see you seeing me as a psychic.

• 37:44Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 37:45Laci Mosley?

  So let's move forward. That's what's in the ball. That's what's on the cards. So for Vera, Angela would become her spiritual savior for the next seven years. That's a long time.

• 37:56Speaker 05

  That is a long time. And you know, seven is the number of completion.

• 37:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. So, I mean, was this a scam?

• 38:02Speaker 05

  Was it?

• 38:03Laci Mosley?

  It's giving completion.

• 38:04Speaker 05

  Or was it divine?

• 38:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay, it's giving Saturn's return.

• 38:09Laci Mosley?

  You know, why don't we call more scams divinity? Why don't we call them timing, you know?

• 38:14Speaker 05

  Divine timing.

• 38:14Laci Mosley?

  You were meant to be robbed right now and that's gonna speak to your life.

• 38:18Speaker 05

  Learn, learn from this.

• 38:20Laci Mosley?

  Learn from this.

• 38:22Laci Mosley?

  So when Vera first met Angela, it began with a phone call that quickly led to more phone calls with lists of instructions for treatments involving crystals and gongs. Early on, Angela began traveling from Florida to Martha's Vineyard to visit Vera and manage her treatment, sometimes visiting even several times a month. So for me, if I live in Florida and I can go to Martha's Vineyard several times a month and hit some gongs.

• 38:48Speaker 05

  Oh, this is Angela.

• 38:49Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so Angela is cute.

• 38:51Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 38:52Laci Mosley?

  Now Angela's not really giving psychics.

• 38:53Speaker 05

  She's not giving...

• 38:55Laci Mosley?

  She's giving like city girl.

• 38:59Speaker 05

  I need to see some credentials, Angela.

• 39:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Angela's...

• 39:01Speaker 05

  How you know how to use these crystals, mama?

• 39:02Laci Mosley?

  Angela, were you saving for a VVO? What's going on?

• 39:05Speaker 05

  Like, yeah, you looking very contemporary.

• 39:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's not giving you've ever seen nobody's future.

• 39:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's not, it's not giving enough life experience here.

• 39:15Laci Mosley?

  Right, I'm not even getting Raven-Symone psychic.

• 39:17Speaker 05

  To get my...

• 39:21Laci Mosley?

  I'm not getting...

• 39:22Speaker 05

  Not that so Raven.

• 39:23Laci Mosley?

  It's not giving even that so Raven. Angela.

• 39:26Speaker 05

  Okay, okay Angie.

• 39:28Laci Mosley?

  All right Angie, the psychic. So Angie's taking these trips to Martha's Vineyard and banging on these gongs and whatnot. As time went on, Vera and Angela spent more and more time on the phone, emailing back and forth, with Vera relaying most of her personal details. She saw no progress with her demons, but remained faithful to Angela and continued to employ her.

• 39:49Speaker 05

  Ooh, child, we still fighting.

• 39:50Laci Mosley?

  Angela's calling, like...

• 39:52Speaker 05

  Angela's like, no, did you sprinkle the Florida water like I told you?

• 39:55Laci Mosley?

  Like I told you. No, you have to do it right when it's a full moon, otherwise the demons aren't gonna tussle.

• 40:01Speaker 05

  Did you cha...

• 40:03Laci Mosley?

  They gonna throw, yeah, they gonna throw hands.

• 40:04Speaker 05

  Did you charge the crystals in the full moon? You didn't, oh, you didn't put them on a ledge?

• 40:07Laci Mosley?

  How long did you charge them?

• 40:08Speaker 05

  Oh, see, that's where, that's where you messed up at.

• 40:10Laci Mosley?

  That's where you messed up at.

• 40:11Speaker 05

  Now you gotta wait till another...

• 40:13Laci Mosley?

  Which demon is it? A, a, uh, uh, Quar- Tarantino? Which demon, which demon is it? Clive? Bigsby?

• 40:20Speaker 05

  Like, yeah, see, you didn't do it right. Let me, wait till I get up there.

• 40:24Laci Mosley?

  Okay, just wait, try, fly me out again. Fly me out, let me get fluid out again.

• 40:27Speaker 05

  Fly me out and then I'll sit.

• 40:29Laci Mosley?

  And I need a bed in first class, cuz I'm healing, I can't sit.

• 40:32Speaker 05

  Right. It's important to to maintain this energy around.

• 40:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 40:36Speaker 05

  I must be comfortable.

• 40:37Laci Mosley?

  But as Angela dug her claws deeper, Vera began to withdraw from public life. So remember Vera wanted friends and she was like, I'm probably not having friends.

• 40:45Speaker 05

  She has some social demons.

• 40:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because of the demons. So so this is now her new bestie, which is probably why she hung on because she's like, well, I'm getting what I wanted. The psychic's not wrong. I wanted friends and now.

• 40:54Speaker 05

  And now we friends.

• 40:56Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 40:56Speaker 05

  She come and see me.

• 40:57Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 40:57Speaker 05

  She checks, she checks on me.

• 41:00Laci Mosley?

  Right. She said, let me cater to you. Because baby, this is my scam.

• 41:05Speaker 05

  She checks on me. Yes.

• 41:08Laci Mosley?

  Go ahead, put your life in my hands. I need that social, that driver's license, them emails and so much more.

• 41:18Speaker 05

  Okay, Angela, I peep, I peep.

• 41:20Laci Mosley?

  I peep game.

• 41:21Speaker 05

  Okay, girl.

• 41:21Laci Mosley?

  So only three years into the relationship, Vera had to ask permission from Angela before going to any social outing. So now Angela's like, okay, you gotta talk to me before you go anywhere, starting to dig in some control aspects, which we know is like something that manipulative people do to isolate you.

• 41:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:38Laci Mosley?

  She was told not to continue spending her money on anyone else, particularly her family, who according to Angela, were full of negative energy.

• 41:47Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 41:47Laci Mosley?

  Hmm. Were they now?

• 41:49Speaker 05

  We're off those vibes. We are off that family vibe.

• 41:52Laci Mosley?

  I've said this a billion times on this podcast, call your grandparents, even if you're not a good person and you don't even love them, call them just to keep them from getting scammed. Call them so that maybe there's some inheritance left for you. Uh, because if you don't, somebody will. I'mma call your grandparents.

• 42:09Speaker 05

  Stop calling your family. Those are, those are the demons.

• 42:11Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  Your family got you messed up, girl. Call, just call me.

• 42:16Laci Mosley?

  Angela's rebranding your family into the demons. Just call me, girl. Don't call the rest of them demons.

• 42:21Speaker 05

  Vera, I'm your family.

• 42:23Laci Mosley?

  I'm your family now. She's telling me, I'm the captain now.

• 42:27Speaker 05

  I am your family now.

• 42:28Laci Mosley?

  I'm actually a grandkid and like, oh granny, Vera, we coming for Christmas. She was like, don't bother. You're a demon.

• 42:35Speaker 05

  Sorry.

• 42:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're not my grandchild anymore. Grandchild like four.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  That's how Vera sounds.

• 42:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's what I'm giving her.

• 42:44Laci Mosley?

  I don't know why.

• 42:45Speaker 05

  Eris Vera, that's how she is.

• 42:46Laci Mosley?

  So, her person, she's probably way more elegant than that. So, her, her personality began to change. She spoke almost entirely of demons and Angela. So, if we weren't talking about demons, we was talking about Angela.

• 42:57Speaker 05

  Her friend Angela, who's carrying her of these things.

• 42:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. And had memory issues implying early signs of dementia. In November 2010, I know, because our grandma had dementia. So, this is like kind of a sort of, if somebody did this to my grandma, I'd be so pissed. But like, we hung out with our grandma. Like, we loved our grandma and we hung out with her. So, nobody was going to scam her because we were there. But, uh, y'all left y'all grandma to her own devices and that ain't right. So, Vera's older brother, Peter, reached out. She got an older brother and she's 70, ooh, white people be living a long time.

• 43:29Speaker 05

  But also, why, why couldn't they get together? Why couldn't she say, hey, bro, you know, I got this social thing, I'm sad, like, let's, I'm alone.

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 43:39Speaker 05

  I'm 70, we both airs and erises.

• 43:42Laci Mosley?

  We should live together like Medea and the other brother.

• 43:48Laci Mosley?

  We should live together like them.

• 43:50Speaker 05

  And Brown.

• 43:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Sweet Brown.

• 43:53Speaker 05

  Brown and Coral.

• 43:55Laci Mosley?

  We all need to live together in the same house. Um, so Peter, the brother, reached out to Vera and told her that her once large fortune was dwindling. In an email, he told her, unfortunately, it's happened before and that it will happen again, especially as your healer ups her demands and as she become more addicted to her cause. Sorry to be disparaging, but I'm very concerned. So, by 2011, Vera had been with Angela for five years. Still boxing her demons. Mayweathering her demons.

• 44:25Speaker 05

  She gotta change the treatment because these demons are, they.

• 44:28Laci Mosley?

  They stay in the gym.

• 44:29Speaker 05

  They are.

• 44:31Laci Mosley?

  These demons got her up against the ropes, okay?

• 44:34Speaker 05

  These demons are relentless. Vera, we gotta do something else now.

• 44:39Laci Mosley?

  The demons have already took your ear, Vera, the demons have gone full Tyson, this is just not.

• 44:43Speaker 05

  I thought that crystals would do, but we have to up the treatment.

• 44:46Laci Mosley?

  We have to up the treatment.

• 44:47Speaker 05

  It's gonna up the cost, though.

• 44:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it is.

• 44:50Speaker 05

  That's the only thing about it.

• 44:51Laci Mosley?

  So, fighting demons with little progress, continuing to lose money. Still, according to most law, if someone genuinely believes in a spirit healer and that they're helping them, that this is legal. Because think about it, there's all types of healers out there who will be like, this is what's going on. I know people who have gone to, essentially, therapy is like talking to a healer and them giving you advice.

• 45:14Speaker 05

  They'll go into the doctor to get a prescription.

• 45:17Laci Mosley?

  That's true. And, but that's psychiatrists. Therapists don't prescribe. But they do go to school.

• 45:22Speaker 05

  Going to a doctor of any kind.

• 45:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh, right.

• 45:24Speaker 05

  To get a prescription of any kind.

• 45:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 45:26Speaker 05

  Because unless you know for sure what it is, it's like, well, we'll try this. We'll try this. Let me give you this medicine and see how it goes.

• 45:33Laci Mosley?

  And the doctors, that's why doctors are so confident. They're like, it's this. And then you're like, I don't know. And they're like, I'm the one who went to the 10 years of education. Yeah.

• 45:41Speaker 05

  So really, Angela is a doctor.

• 45:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, essentially.

• 45:46Speaker 05

  She is a, she is a...

• 45:48Laci Mosley?

  Hey, hey, doctors out there, y'all wanna fight me? Be honest.

• 45:53Speaker 05

  I'm just kidding, y'all. I'm just kidding. She not a doctor. She ain't go to med school.

• 45:56Laci Mosley?

  Y'all gonna fight me like these demons?

• 45:59Speaker 05

  These demons fight, they gonna whoop on you like, like Vera's demons for five years, child.

• 46:06Laci Mosley?

  Vera's demons are giving like Bruce Lee, they beating everybody up in line.

• 46:10Speaker 05

  Future out here.

• 46:11Laci Mosley?

  So, um, technically, it's legal. But Angela was no regular psychic healer, right? So the psychic behind the curtain, Angela maintained a number of businesses under different names, to which she had Vera send wire transfers, personal checks, and even cash for her services. However, Angela also had her name added to Vera's Amex card, which she used to spend at least $20,000 on entertainment and jewelry. So she was like, also, I'm on this Amex. Vera and Angela.

• 46:40Speaker 05

  Shared Amex.

• 46:41Laci Mosley?

  American Express.

• 46:43Speaker 05

  She in the Delta Sky Club. Sky Lounge before, before coming to Maricopa.

• 46:49Laci Mosley?

  Miles, bro.

• 46:50Speaker 05

  She got miles on miles, sipping champagne.

• 46:53Laci Mosley?

  Right. Angie ain't never gonna have to pay for a Lyft again.

• 46:56Speaker 05

  And she's gonna, Vera, what's our credit card number? What's the security code on our card?

• 47:02Laci Mosley?

  Hold on, y'all, it's saying fraud. Hold on, let me call.

• 47:05Speaker 05

  Hold on, let me call Vera.

• 47:06Laci Mosley?

  Vera, hey.

• 47:07Speaker 05

  Vera girl, it's another demon, child.

• 47:11Laci Mosley?

  This one is outside your body in the form of a stop hold.

• 47:15Speaker 05

  Okay, this demon's over here in Florida trying to get at me.

• 47:19Laci Mosley?

  This demon called fraud alert and we need to stop them.

• 47:22Speaker 05

  We need to stop them now. Go ahead and verify. Hold on, I got him on the phone.

• 47:27Laci Mosley?

  Go ahead and verify. Thank you so much. Okay, we got one demon down, one demon down.

• 47:34Laci Mosley?

  Vera wrote in her diary, "What Angela asked for to deal with the demons was too much. Apparently, I'm getting very low on funds. Meanwhile, Angela lived a life full of Chanel, Louboutin, Porsche Cayenne."

• 47:48Speaker 05

  Because she's a successful healer.

• 47:50Laci Mosley?

  She's a successful healer with one client.

• 47:52Speaker 05

  She's manifested abundance in her life.

• 47:56Laci Mosley?

  What was that tweet? It was like, look, the manifesting ain't working. It's time to steal.

• 48:00Speaker 05

  It's time to steal. She has manifested a life of abundance with no lack.

• 48:05Laci Mosley?

  I'm not mad at it. And she's working. She taking these calls. She fighting these demons.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  She's a doctor.

• 48:10Laci Mosley?

  She's a doctor. So, in Adventure of Florida, she lived in a 3,270 square foot, half a million dollar condo in addition to a New York City flat iron home. She's got multiple properties. All this woman's done. So, when Angela visited Vera on the Vineyard, she sometimes stayed at a $500 a night Harborview Hotel. Now, Angela, why are you not just staying with Vera? I know Vera's house is giving coin.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  Because Vera has demons. She can't be in there with them.

• 48:41Laci Mosley?

  She said it's too much room. Actually, the demons have taken all the bedrooms out, so I'm gonna take a hotel.

• 48:45Speaker 05

  You think I'm staying in here with you? No. I have to.

• 48:49Laci Mosley?

  It's not enough room.

• 48:50Speaker 05

  I have to protect my peace. Not enough room for me and the demons and you, no.

• 48:55Laci Mosley?

  As it turns out, Angela was Sally Ann Johnson from the matriarchal family of Rose Marx. And she was far from the only family member running lucrative psychic scams. So Angela's real name is Sally Ann Johnson. See, I knew Angela was a made up name. I knew it was given Angela Lansbury. So who is this person? This is Rose Marx. So Rose Marx is a part of this family and they are all trained psychics.

• 49:20Speaker 05

  So she's the matriarch.

• 49:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 49:22Speaker 05

  She's.

• 49:23Laci Mosley?

  So she's training up all of her kids and like they learn about crystals from day one, you know, like now I know my ABCs and my psychic ones.

• 49:32Speaker 05

  Want you scam with.

• 49:33Laci Mosley?

  Threes, yes.

• 49:33Speaker 05

  This is, so there's some trauma somewhere here.

• 49:37Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 49:37Speaker 05

  In this family, some, somebody was wronged and now she's like, I'm gonna raise my kids.

• 49:43Laci Mosley?

  We gonna get over.

• 49:44Speaker 05

  We gonna get.

• 49:45Laci Mosley?

  And I'm not, I don't know.

• 49:47Speaker 05

  Can't say that I'm mad at it.

• 49:49Laci Mosley?

  Ugh, I don't know what Vera's family did to get that money, but you know, when you got money that that's, it's that long.

• 49:53Speaker 05

  Eris.

• 49:54Laci Mosley?

  There's some murders back there.

• 49:56Speaker 05

  You can spend five years ridding yourself of demons from.

• 49:59Laci Mosley?

  As a hobby?

• 50:00Speaker 05

  As a.

• 50:01Laci Mosley?

  Seven years ridding yourself of demons and you got somebody spending 20K on your card and it's not you?

• 50:06Speaker 05

  You didn't, you didn't add her on the MX.

• 50:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I know. So Sally's formal education stopped at the second grade and this is Sally is Angela. Growing up.

• 50:16Speaker 05

  That's in the second grade?

• 50:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 50:19Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 50:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so that's. So she might have actually just stopped at the ABC.

• 50:26Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 50:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, how, how, wait a minute. I'm just, let me do some quick math. Cause and we, when you're in fifth grade, you're either 10 or 11, so let's subtract three. So this baby had to be seven.

• 50:40Speaker 05

  Five is, five is Kinder.

• 50:41Laci Mosley?

  Kinder, so then first is six or.

• 50:43Speaker 05

  Six, Kinder.

• 50:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Or it can be six for Kinder.

• 50:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:48Laci Mosley?

  Um, but yeah, so seven or eight.

• 50:50Speaker 05

  Around eight, seven or eight.

• 50:51Laci Mosley?

  Seven or eight.

• 50:51Speaker 05

  Seven to nine.

• 50:52Laci Mosley?

  Seven to nine, we'll be, yeah. So that's when she, that's when she, that's when she started being employed and left school? Okay, that's not good. So growing up, well, yeah, really growing up from childhood.

• 51:04Speaker 05

  Literally.

• 51:05Laci Mosley?

  She is literally developing, uh, as to an adult. Growing up, she made a living and like literally growing up, physically growing up because this is a child. Uh, she made a living in Miami and New York through her psychic abilities and claimed a deep root in her family and American Romani culture. So Romani culture, they, I know on TLC they had that show with the G word that you're not supposed to say, but it was like the families who like, some of them grift or some of them just have hustles where like they'll drive around with concrete that we don't know where they got it from, but they gotta, they gotta cement people's lawns while it's hot. So they'll just ru- drive around with it and be like, do you want to cement your driveway real quick? Cause we got it in the truck right now.

• 51:43Speaker 05

  You gotta do it right now.

• 51:43Laci Mosley?

  You gotta do it right now though. And like, so they had hustles. So, I mean, if a seven year old or eight year old told me that they were a psychic, I don't know, I would give them some money and see what's up.

• 51:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, especially when you, when you sign your indigenous.

• 51:58Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 51:59Speaker 05

  Ancestral.

• 52:00Laci Mosley?

  And kids are so pure to me, so I'm like, if anybody's tapped into the psychickness, it's the children. Like, we always love to see a baby and be like, oh, that baby's been here before.

• 52:10Speaker 05

  That's a very black thing.

• 52:11Laci Mosley?

  It's a very black thing. Black people are always trying to make a baby, oh, now that baby is your grandma, look just like her, act just like her too.

• 52:17Speaker 05

  Look at that baby sitting up like that.

• 52:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, that baby.

• 52:20Speaker 05

  That baby.

• 52:21Laci Mosley?

  That baby.

• 52:21Speaker 05

  That baby done been here before.

• 52:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, see how that baby was looking while we was talking about the baby?

• 52:25Speaker 05

  Right.

• 52:25Laci Mosley?

  That baby knew it was being talked about.

• 52:29Laci Mosley?

  They been here before, they so smart.

• 52:30Speaker 05

  Been here before.

• 52:31Laci Mosley?

  So I would definitely go to the baby and be like, here's money.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  You've been here before, huh?

• 52:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Tell me what they told you right before you got here, uh, about me.

• 52:40Speaker 05

  Don't pull a card. Go ahead and pull a card.

• 52:42Laci Mosley?

  So, according to Rose Marx, the mother of, I'm gonna call her Angela, um, but this is the mother of Sally's life partner and head of the family. So basically Angela is Sally.

• 52:53Speaker 05

  Yes, correct.

• 52:54Laci Mosley?

  Rose Marx is the mother-in-law of Angela slash Sally's life partner and head of the family. Got it. Part of their culture.

• 53:06Speaker 05

  Wait, when did that, well, when did, when was Angela introduced into the family?

• 53:12Laci Mosley?

  So Angela is Sally. Sally was like, I'm gonna go by Angela, but then.

• 53:16Speaker 05

  Second grade education Angela Sally.

• 53:18Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 53:19Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 53:19Laci Mosley?

  And so she's a part of this family, and sometimes they do get married young.

• 53:22Speaker 05

  Because the matriarch is the, but it's her mother-in-law.

• 53:25Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 53:27Speaker 05

  So, when did she, she stopped going to school at two?

• 53:31Laci Mosley?

  Because a part of the culture is having their daughters drop out of school at eight or nine to develop their psychic powers. So

• 53:38Speaker 05

  When did she get brought into the fold?

• 53:39Laci Mosley?

  Rose herself dropped out of school in the third grade. She was married in an arranged marriage at sixteen or seventeen years old, living in Virginia until moving to Florida in nineteen ninety-eight. Now, this is the matriarch Rose, right? There, she and her husband opened the first of several storefronts that served as basis to sell their spiritual abilities with eight of her family members. So, Rose liked to live a life of extravagance, but this is like mother like stepdaughter. So she owned a Fort Lauderdale mansion, this is Rose. At one point, she reportedly had like four hundred rings, a hundred watches, two hundred necklaces, several Harley Davidsons, and a white Rolls Royce. So, basically Rose lived like she was Rick Ross.

• 54:20Speaker 05

  That's

• 54:21Laci Mosley?

  She was like, uh.

• 54:25Laci Mosley?

  We got them visions, uh.

• 54:27Speaker 05

  Tiptoeing on her marble floors.

• 54:28Laci Mosley?

  Tiptoeing on her marble floors, okay? And her marble stones and crystals, okay?

• 54:35Speaker 05

  She was doing alright, so Rose was doing alright. Rose was what we would call a mogul these days.

• 54:39Laci Mosley?

  Right, Rose quartz.

• 54:40Speaker 05

  Rose

• 54:41Laci Mosley?

  Ew, real hot girl shit.

• 54:43Speaker 05

  Whoa, quartz.

• 54:44Laci Mosley?

  Quartz. So together, Rose and her family had amassed a fortune totaling over forty million dollars from a scam going back twenty years. Among their victims was bestselling romance author Jude Devore, who gave them twenty million dollars over twenty years for their services. Another one of their victims believed that he was hearing voices. Rose's daughter-in-law Cynthia Miller convinced him the archangel Michael required a sacrifice for him. The victim was thirty-two, and Michael needed thirty-two gold coins representing each year that he didn't have faith. Note, the coins were believed to be worth about four hundred thousand dollars. So they said he needed to go out and be like the Mario Brothers and collect gold coins for each year of his life.

• 55:26Speaker 05

  That he didn't have faith.

• 55:27Laci Mosley?

  So that he could get rid of the demons. I love this scam because instead of like making it obvious with money, they kind of made it a little like National Treasury.

• 55:36Speaker 05

  It's not just give us all your money, it's like, no, go find these gold coins that happen to cost this amount of money.

• 55:41Laci Mosley?

  From the Incas.

• 55:42Speaker 05

  But you, but, but really, only bring us the amount of coins that represent the years you didn't have faith.

• 55:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so is it, which is around like four hundred thousand dollars.

• 55:53Speaker 05

  All your life, though. Bring us all the coins.

• 55:56Laci Mosley?

  Give us all the coins. So, the victim believed that the coins would be returned. But when he asked for the $400,000 worth of coins back, he was told that only Michael the Archangel knew where the exact location was in a cemetery. So he was like, oh, they were, Rose said, we gave them to Michael the angel. Where do you think, we thought we was gonna keep the gold coins?

• 56:14Speaker 05

  For ourselves?

• 56:15Laci Mosley?

  No, that would be crazy. We gave them to Michael. And then Michael had said, um...

• 56:20Speaker 05

  Cause remember, we said you needed a sacrifice.

• 56:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So he's...

• 56:24Speaker 05

  To Michael.

• 56:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he said they in one of the cemeteries. So it's just gotta get to looking.

• 56:31Speaker 05

  Now you gotta find them.

• 56:32Laci Mosley?

  Coincidentally, Angela had asked Vera to take gold coins and lie them on the bed every night to transfer energy and then give them to her for safekeeping. The coins would never be returned. Cause that's the safest of keeping, is when you never have them again, so that you know they're kept safe.

• 56:48Speaker 05

  Right.

• 56:48Laci Mosley?

  By 2011, even while Angela continued her scheme, eight members of her family were indicted on charges of conspiracy, wire fraud, mail fraud, and money laundering. Cause remember, they had that storefront where they were selling all of their spirits, their spiritual news.

• 57:03Speaker 05

  Right.

• 57:04Laci Mosley?

  So Rose Marks, in a rare sentencing for a fortune teller, got 10 years in prison, as our family members got four months to several years. So that's like a high sentence for a fortune teller. But she stole so much money. When you're in like the double-digit millions,

• 57:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:19Laci Mosley?

  Like, they wanna make an example of them.

• 57:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:22Laci Mosley?

  So getting caught. Friday, November 8th, 2013, Vera asked her goddaughter to help her pay for an electricity bill. So remember, Vera used to have coins.

• 57:30Speaker 05

  Dang.

• 57:31Laci Mosley?

  And now she can't cover a Con Edison.

• 57:35Laci Mosley?

  Now she needs Eric's electricity service. She's on Facebook like, yes, I would love to lower my rates.

• 57:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, you want me to hook you up and just switch you over?

• 57:45Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So the goddaughter was in shock to find that she didn't have any money and immediately called the Chilmark Police Department. The case was assigned to Detective Shawn Slovan, uh, seen here in the center with this green shirt on, looking like a hater. Um, this man looks like he loves to track down people who are living their best life. Um, he happened to only live a half a mile away from Vera, so I'm sure Shawn was like, not on my watch, not in my neighborhood, you don't. When he went to go meet his neighbor for the first time, Vera at first said that she was only missing $500 and later $15. When he asked her how much she paid her spiritualist, the answer was around $15,000 over the past five years. Less than a week later, Detective Shawn called Vera and learned that Angela would be on the island soon.

• 58:30Laci Mosley?

  So Angela's coming back to Martha's Vineyard.

• 58:32Speaker 05

  I'm in bat.

• 58:33Laci Mosley?

  When she pulled up, the detective followed to ask questions and Angela became combative. She was like, why are you asking me all these questions about, I'm a spiritual healer? Wha- wha- what you wanna see, my potions? I got them right here.

• 58:45Speaker 05

  Right.

• 58:46Laci Mosley?

  Let me empty out this Walmart bag, I got them right here.

• 58:49Laci Mosley?

  Detective Shawn told Angela outright that what she was doing wasn't right and that he was gonna get to the bottom of it. That same day, Angela told Vera to never speak to him again and had her sign a letter declaring that any money Vera had given Angela was a gift given with a full sense of generosity. Now, Angela. I thought you were a healer, now these are all gifts? She was like, tell Shawn that you gave this to me for Christmas. You put me on your Amex for Cinco de Mayo.

• 59:20Laci Mosley?

  When my birthday came around.

• 59:22Speaker 05

  These are all gifts.

• 59:23Laci Mosley?

  You gave me gold coins.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  Sign, sign here.

• 59:25Laci Mosley?

  Sign here and initial here, okay? Also, but Angela, you have to pay taxes on gifts that are over at that $100, so the taxman was still gonna pull up.

• 59:33Speaker 05

  But she said, I'm not, I'm not gonna be.

• 59:35Laci Mosley?

  But I'm not gonna be in jail.

• 59:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm not gonna be.

• 59:36Laci Mosley?

  The letter even attempted to grant Angela sole power of attorney to fully control Vera's life. Detective Shawn got in touch with Vera's brother, who believed that Vera had, at that point, given as much as $500,000 to Angela. The detective's involvement meant that they finally had the means to intervene. So Shawn discovered, Detective Shawn, discovered that there was not $15,000 or $500,000 missing. There was over 3.5 million dollars.

• 1:00:03Speaker 05

  Missing, that was not the money that she had already given Angela, or that's how much she had been giving Angela the entire time?

• 1:00:10Laci Mosley?

  Either that's how much she had been giving her, or it's also like...

• 1:00:13Speaker 05

  Like a new missing amount of money?

• 1:00:14Laci Mosley?

  Well, no. It's like, a combination of like, she, Angela's giving her the, or getting the money, but also she's like, the coins, the bank account access, the credit cards. Yeah. So, inter-chief Beth. Now, what I want to say too is, Peter, you a raggedy bitch, because if you knew your sister was getting robbed like this, like, why wouldn't you call the authorities sooner? Like, why would you let her get to the point where she couldn't pay her light bill?

• 1:00:34Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:00:34Laci Mosley?

  It just feels like we should have stepped in before that, especially if you could see that she was hemorrhaging money.

• 1:00:38Speaker 05

  Yeah. Agreed.

• 1:00:40Laci Mosley?

  So, inter-chief Beth. Soon after, Vera's family hired a caretaker for her named Beth Toomey. Okay. Beth said, "I'm gonna get that money to me. I'm gonna get it to you." So Beth was actually a former police chief and detective, uh, Slavin, uh, Shawn, Detective Shawn's former boss. So Beth had been in the game for a while.

• 1:01:02Speaker 05

  She's a caretaker now, but she's also...

• 1:01:05Laci Mosley?

  No. Beth was, uh, chief. Beth is getting involved. So, this is somebody else in law enforcement.

• 1:01:13Speaker 05

  This is not, okay, this is a different person. This isn't the caretaker.

• 1:01:16Laci Mosley?

  No. This is Beth, who's a former police chief, and that, and she used to be Detective Shawn's former boss. So after spending time with Beth, Vera began waking up to the fact that her relationship was unhealthy. Uh, for Vera's protection, Beth also moved, uh, into Vera's house, unsure of what Angela would do to protect her stolen fortune. Now, Beth... You're not a police chief anymore.

• 1:01:40Speaker 05

  Right. She coming out of retirement to do this? Like, what is she?

• 1:01:43Laci Mosley?

  So, Beth, it feels like you was also just trying to go on vacation. You was like, okay, you know what I'ma do, girl? I'ma move into your house.

• 1:01:50Speaker 05

  I'm gonna move in here, in Martha's Vineyard.

• 1:01:52Laci Mosley?

  You know how the police be moving into your house? I'ma move into your house. And then my family go vacation here sometimes. But it's really just to be vigilant for Angela.

• 1:02:02Speaker 05

  I just wanna make sure Angela's not doing anything wild.

• 1:02:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So what's this guest room talking about? Let me get in there and just protect you.

• 1:02:09Speaker 05

  Is there a pool here? Can I use?

• 1:02:10Laci Mosley?

  Okay, yeah, I'ma protect you in the pool as well.

• 1:02:12Speaker 05

  I'ma be looking outside.

• 1:02:13Laci Mosley?

  Okay, is that a dry sauna? I'ma protect you in there as well. I'ma, I'll also be in there protecting you, okay? Oh, is that that nice fridge with the, with the four compartment? Yeah. I'ma, I'ma go ahead and load that up with protection food, since I'ma be here. So Angela fought like a parasite. She told Vera that they had work to do, that Vera should move to Florida and that Vera still owed her money. This is Angela being like, we still have work to do. I know them demons still pulling up. I know they still know the address of your mind. What do you, like, what do you wanna do?

• 1:02:41Speaker 05

  And now you still owe me some money, too.

• 1:02:44Laci Mosley?

  Angela, can't you just let a grift go? I feel like if I show up and the police are there, I'm just be like, oh my God, wrong house.

• 1:02:52Speaker 05

  I'm like, you know what, Vera? I don't feel that heaviness anymore. It's a miracle. The way he's lifted, the demons are gone. Like, ooh, no more.

• 1:03:03Laci Mosley?

  That was the last demon. I'm just like, wow. I wouldn't even admit that I worked with her. I'd be like, my name is Sally and I actually have, where did I get, how did I get here? Hello? And I walked into the wrong house. Let me get on my plane, child. Bye-bye.

• 1:03:16Speaker 05

  You did it.

• 1:03:18Laci Mosley?

  So, after seven years, the relationship between the heiress and the psychic parasite ended. Unfortunately, Vera was never able to fully enjoy her Martha Vineyard home. As not long after all of this, she had to move into assisted living facilities. I know. So by April 2015, though Vera and Angela's relationship was severed, Detective Shawn was struggling to build a criminal case. He even got in touch with the F B I, who advised that the F B I couldn't go after cases of psychic fraud because technically it's a real service that was provided. However, they could go after cases of massive tax fraud. Didn't we say that earlier? We said if she wrote down that it was a gift, Uncle Sam was gonna be like, we like gifts.

• 1:04:00Speaker 05

  Right, about that gift.

• 1:04:01Laci Mosley?

  About them presents, okay? It's us. Which, only you. What did she say? I choose you? What does Uncle Sam say? Anyway, he be choosing all of us and we have no choice in the matter. Yeah, he just points at people in that hat and he's like, you give me money. Uh, cuz Uncle Sam is ruthless. I still remember, and I think I've said this on the podcast, when they came after everybody who got that car on Oprah, when Oprah was like, you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. And it was all these teachers who were like making like the worst salaries and like really needed these cars. And they were so excited. Uncle Sam came after them so fucking hard bodied and was like, either you got seven grand or we need a car.

• 1:04:35Speaker 05

  Get that car back.

• 1:04:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we're in a car back. So they don't care. So they was gonna get her. Also, the F to be in the I is so lazy. They was like, do you have a case? Well, then don't call us. We don't do investigations. That's not really.

• 1:04:50Speaker 05

  Nah, spiritual practice.

• 1:04:51Laci Mosley?

  No, that's not our bag. So going through her payments, the authorities discovered that Angela had neglected to pay $750,000 in taxes. Woo!

• 1:05:02Speaker 05

  Dang Angie.

• 1:05:03Laci Mosley?

  Angie. Angie, they got you on the list. It's not Angie's list anymore. You own it.

• 1:05:11Laci Mosley?

  So at her court sentencing, though she admitted to the taxes, she maintained, I would never do anything deceitful to anybody. There is nobody that I would ever take for granted. Now, Angie Sally, we know you lying, but listen, you were trained up as a child. At eight years old, that this was your profession and that this is you helping people. And I think you might have genuinely believed that you was out here slapboxing them demons for Vera.

• 1:05:32Speaker 05

  You know Angie did not believe she was doing no healing work.

• 1:05:35Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. Said they were talking a lot. She had the crystals. She was flying in and flying out.

• 1:05:41Speaker 05

  Not when her mama is known. Not when, she grew up.

• 1:05:45Laci Mosley?

  But that's how she grew up.

• 1:05:47Speaker 05

  You think they actually thought that they were really healing people?

• 1:05:50Laci Mosley?

  I don't think maybe the elders did, but if I grew up and at eight years old, they took me out of school and were like, you have a gift. And now, and I, I would believe that. You know, when people told me that I was funny and I could sing or something, I was like, wow, you know, maybe I really can.

• 1:06:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, and then at some point you realize like, oh, I'm actually extorting people. Let me tell her to not to talk to nobody, not to, like, let me isolate her, like. Angie was knew what she was doing. That's why she kept that story and why she was being combative with the police when they were asking her things. She knew what she was doing.

• 1:06:20Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Angie, you probably did.

• 1:06:23Speaker 05

  Angie knew what it was.

• 1:06:24Laci Mosley?

  She did.

• 1:06:25Speaker 05

  She knew what it was when she was eight, too.

• 1:06:26Laci Mosley?

  Right. Eight-year-olds know.

• 1:06:28Speaker 05

  You can't get your lesson anymore. You're not going to the schoolhouse. I'm teaching you how to be a scammer.

• 1:06:34Laci Mosley?

  Right. Angie probably did know, because eight-year-olds are smart. Like, I'm gonna give eight-year-olds more credit. They know when they get involved in crime. They'd be pickpocketing at that age. Okay, Oliver Twist and them, they know. They know what's up. So she was sentenced to 26 months in prison and required to pay restitution of $725,912 to the IRS, and then she had to pay $3.5 million, basically, to Vera. Now, we know she ain't got 3.5 mil. She barely probably got the 75. And who gets paid first, the IRS or Vera?

• 1:07:05Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:07:06Laci Mosley?

  It's given, it's given IRS.

• 1:07:07Speaker 05

  Probably. And why does Vera need that money back? Like, what was the chil- I want to know.

• 1:07:12Laci Mosley?

  I mean, Vera is in the home now, but she might want to leave something to her kids.

• 1:07:16Speaker 05

  It was a gift.

• 1:07:18Laci Mosley?

  A month after Angela was convicted, on February 8th, 2018, Vera passed away at the age of 82.

• 1:07:26Speaker 05

  Oh, R.I.P. Vera.

• 1:07:28Laci Mosley?

  R.I.P. Vera. I mean, in a way, Vera, you did get some friends.

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  She did.

• 1:07:33Laci Mosley?

  Angie was...

• 1:07:34Speaker 05

  She ran her race.

• 1:07:36Laci Mosley?

  Thank you for being a scam, Angie. You know, in your golden age.

• 1:07:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:42Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I'm, but also, like, you did get robbed, Vera, and that's not right. That's not okay.

• 1:07:47Speaker 05

  It wasn't. But she did have some companionship.

• 1:07:49Laci Mosley?

  She did, and some fun stories.

• 1:07:51Speaker 05

  So we'll find the silver lining there.

• 1:07:53Laci Mosley?

  But guys, we're gonna head into Scammer of the Week. I will find the silver lining.

• 1:07:59Speaker 05

  Find the silver lining there.

• 1:08:00Laci Mosley?

  Head into Scammer of the Week. Scammer of the Week is where we highlight a charlatan who's worthy of our praise, or maybe not. We'll see. Uh, today, we're talking about the wife of one former California State Senator Dan McCordell. Oh, these names, honey. Y'all got some names I've been naming. So, he's in, so the wife is in hot water after a Bay Area news organization discovered that she copied and pasted a chunk of her book from Wikipedia.

• 1:08:30Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, it's giving inspired.

• 1:08:34Laci Mosley?

  Wikipedia gets worked on by a lot of people. Who's to say?

• 1:08:38Speaker 05

  What is she, okay.

• 1:08:39Laci Mosley?

  We about to see what she copied, but I don't know, it's giving Shein.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:08:43Laci Mosley?

  It's giving Fashion Nova.

• 1:08:44Speaker 05

  Okay, let's see.

• 1:08:45Laci Mosley?

  So, so Jean, who's on the left here, will post these photos, had been hired to write a book on Santa Clara County history. She was paid at least 2.45 million dollars between 2009 and 2019 from grant applications and for the book. Now, that's a wild amount of money. Like, do people want to know about Santa Clara that bad?

• 1:09:07Speaker 05

  That's a lot of money.

• 1:09:08Laci Mosley?

  Because my book deal ain't giving them, the, people want to know about Santa, I'm about to write about Santa Clara.

• 1:09:14Speaker 05

  Right, who do I need to?

• 1:09:15Laci Mosley?

  Never mind.

• 1:09:17Speaker 05

  What city do I need to be writing about?

• 1:09:19Laci Mosley?

  I'm writing about, uh...

• 1:09:21Speaker 05

  Let me tell you about Dallas, Texas.

• 1:09:23Laci Mosley?

  Right, I'm telling you about Fort Worth. Have y'all heard of Pleasant Grove? I'm about to write about that.

• 1:09:27Speaker 05

  Let me tell you about where I'm from.

• 1:09:29Laci Mosley?

  Right, have y'all been to Bushwick? I'm gonna write about that, y'all want a book on that? So she was two years behind on the book when she turned in a 580-page manuscript. And when she did, it was discovered about one-fifth of it was copied directly from Wikipedia, the History Channel, the Mercury News, the Washington Post, county webpages, and other sources, about half of them without footnotes. Though Jean denies those portions were meant to be a part of the final copy, the project has been put on hold. Now, I don't know, because, okay, if you're gonna write about Santa Clara, it's not like Jean was there for all of Santa Clara's city history. It's not like she was there at the, the cookout and, and the, the mayor parade and...

• 1:10:11Speaker 05

  But as a writer, you know, you need to cite your sources.

• 1:10:14Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, you cite them, we cite on this show always, but...

• 1:10:19Speaker 05

  But that's the issue.

• 1:10:20Laci Mosley?

  She gathered all the information, though, who, she's a content creator. She's a, what, what are those people called? She's a curator of the book.

• 1:10:29Speaker 05

  She's a writer of the book. They pay her to write the book.

• 1:10:33Laci Mosley?

  She, she did write it.

• 1:10:35Speaker 05

  She copied and pasted it and then cited sources and played it like it was her work.

• 1:10:39Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but even when you copy and paste, you gotta go in and take out the little Wiki footnotes. You gotta do a little bit of writing.

• 1:10:46Speaker 05

  You said take out the foot.

• 1:10:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:10:48Speaker 05

  That's not writing, you taking them out.

• 1:10:50Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but you ought to make it flow.

• 1:10:52Speaker 05

  Clearly she didn't make them flow, she just copied and pasted and that's how they found out.

• 1:10:55Laci Mosley?

  I'm sure that they checked, they run it through that thing before publishers like publish something to see if anything's been plagiarized or too much has been plagiarized to cover their own asses, they have lawyers for that.

• 1:11:05Speaker 05

  But isn't that the scam, that she didn't, they didn't do it, or did they do it?

• 1:11:09Laci Mosley?

  I mean, it's giving content curators, I mean, I wouldn't have known where to find all these things about Santa Clara.

• 1:11:16Speaker 05

  But even content creators gotta cite their sources.

• 1:11:19Laci Mosley?

  This is true.

• 1:11:19Speaker 05

  It's giving scam to me and that's why she's winning the scammer of the week. Look at you justifying this woman, this woman, her whole, her whole book is copied and pasted and you like, I mean, she curated this book about Santa Clara, cuz she wasn't there.

• 1:11:35Laci Mosley?

  It would be the first time somebody's done this, there's a very popular influencer, I'm not gonna say their name, but they have a pamphlet that they call a book, that they definitely get printed at FedEx.

• 1:11:45Speaker 05

  It's an ebook.

• 1:11:45Laci Mosley?

  No, they get it printed at FedEx. I feel like Judith just made a face like she probably knows who this is, but they get this pamphlet printed at FedEx and then they mail it out to people, it's supposed to be like how to make money, how to manifest, like one of those books that there's some empty pages, where you write stuff down.

• 1:12:00Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:12:00Laci Mosley?

  But they stole this book completely from somebody's Tumblr account. Like it's like word for word, bar for bar, somebody's Tumblr, but I don't think they're gonna be able to stop this scammer.

• 1:12:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, they can, that's their IP.

• 1:12:14Laci Mosley?

  I mean, it gets dicey on the internet sometimes.

• 1:12:17Speaker 05

  Well, you need to, um.

• 1:12:18Laci Mosley?

  I own mine.

• 1:12:19Speaker 05

  No, you need to send a message and be like, hey, they got your stuff.

• 1:12:23Laci Mosley?

  I mean, the girl, the, the person knows that they have their stuff and they were like tweeting about it, but I think that's where it ended was tweets.

• 1:12:28Speaker 05

  Oh, okay. I mean, I hope it was copyrighted or trademarked or something.

• 1:12:33Laci Mosley?

  I don't think so cuz it was on Tumblr, but books can be vibes, you know? And who's to say, like, if I get on TikTok and I do a dance, okay, if I do a dance that's already been done, can I, I can't do the dance somewhere? But, but as a book.

• 1:12:49Speaker 05

  I wish, I wish I could see how I'm looking at Lacey.

• 1:12:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, but as a book, if I do it.

• 1:12:57Laci Mosley?

  No, okay. I can't be inspired by your website, but as a book.

• 1:13:02Speaker 05

  You can do the dance, but everybody knows it's a dance. Like it's a trend, but you can't do the dance and be like, look at this dance I made up.

• 1:13:09Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, they be doing it on TikTok.

• 1:13:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, and then, and then they get played too.

• 1:13:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but they get rich first. They get rich first.

• 1:13:17Speaker 05

  But you know, they had all those.

• 1:13:19Laci Mosley?

  They get movie deals.

• 1:13:20Speaker 05

  Black TikTok creators.

• 1:13:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they did, but they didn't, black TikTok creators didn't get paid from that strike, but the white TikTokers who stole from them still do. I'm just saying, I don't know, sometimes you don't get justice, sometimes you gotta just be inspired and be thieving. No, I'm kidding, don't thief, because actually like, there's a whole network that literally tried to clone my podcast and like, put out like ads for it and my friends sent it to me, like, or like auditions, yeah, like literally tried to clone my whole shit. You can't clone me, bitch, okay? I don't can't. Because I'm nuts, not because I'm like the best, it's just because I'm unhinged. You can't replicate this amount of crazy, if you tried, okay?

• 1:14:00Speaker 05

  Lacey's taking a short break, she's going back to college.

• 1:14:04Laci Mosley?

  Oh, and with that, guys, that brings us to the end of a fantastic episode. Come on, we are family. Okay, let me stop for a sec. Right, we gotta mix it up. We always ask on this podcast, Eric, where would you like to be found?

• 1:14:18Speaker 05

  I would like to be found on a black sand beach.

• 1:14:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God. No one can ever just take this.

• 1:14:27Speaker 05

  No, you can find me, it's the way you phrased it. You can find me at, on Instagram, E underscore Mosley, M O S L E Y. And if you're looking for yoga or consulting or any of those things, you can follow the page, Black Mat Yoga.

• 1:14:44Laci Mosley?

  Yes, a great page. Eric is really great at Instagram and I love looking at it, just moisturized. Beautiful black people being well. Guys, as always, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. And, and, and on that note, LaDarius, that scam is not retired because we do not know what happened to Tracy. Uh, don't leave me some cliffhanger. So follow up, LaDarius, we need to know. Um, and as for me, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy on all platforms. If you can find me on Instagram, Mark Zuckerberg trying to tussle with me. Um, and then, or, and on Twitter and, and everywhere else, I'm Laci Mosley on TikTok. And season two of I Carlie, full season is streaming now on Paramount Plus. I'll get into that.

• 1:15:29Laci Mosley?

  Congregation. Stay Angie-ing.

• 1:15:33Speaker 05

  Manifesting.

• 1:15:34Laci Mosley?

  Skimming.

• 1:15:39Laci Mosley?

  I manifest through lies, okay?

• 1:15:41Speaker 05

  Through theft.

• 1:15:42Laci Mosley?

  That's my love language, theft. All right, y'all, bye. Bye.

• 1:15:50Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Laci Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Fais, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay scheming.

• 1:16:07Speaker 09

  This has been a Team Coco production in association with Earwolf.

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