Fraud Friday: The Crooked Car Executive w/ Bryan Safi

Bryan Safi (ABC's 911) is here to discuss LGBTQI Icon Geraldine Elizabeth Carmichael, a car executive who attempted to sell the Dale, a fuel-efficient three-wheeled car in response to the 1974 oil crisis. Plus, a corrupt NYPD Officer steals thousands of dollars in rent and deposit money for a Queens apartment. Stay schemin’! CW: There are non-graphic mentions of violence against a trans woman in this episode. (Originally Released 11/01/2021) Signed copies of Laci's book are back in stock on Podswag: https://www.podswag.com/collections/scam-goddess/products/signed-scam-goddess-lessons-from-a-life-of-cons-grifts-and-schemes Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Bryan Safi: @bryansafi Research by Kaelyn Brandt. SOURCES: https://www.wpr.org/lady-and-dale-stranger-fiction-life-liz-carmichael https://www.oprahdaily.com/entertainment/tv-movies/a35325931/liz-carmichael-wife-kids/ https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/jan/29/the-lady-and-the-dale-trans-docuseries-liz-carmichael https://www.vulture.com/article/the-lady-and-the-dale-hbo-series-review.html https://time.com/5935209/lady-and-the-dale-true-story/ https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/01/10280883/elizabeth-carmichael-crimes-wife-family-death https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-cop-scam-rental-queens-new-victims-20211010-yubraro23fei7oierglzlw35gu-story.html

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  I'm glad I asked for help.

• 1:25Speaker 01

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• 2:00Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:41Laci Mosley?

  Hello, congregation salutations, and welcome back to another episode of Scam Goddess Podcast. I am your host, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, and you know it, you know it, I'm very, yes, excited, I truly am, to see this man's face, it's been too long, oh, his gorgeous face. Today, we have a comedian, writer, and actor, Brian Safi, on the show. He's the co-host and co-creator of the podcast Attitudes, Groceries, and Ask Grown Up. You can also catch him on screen playing Josh Russo in the Fox drama 911, and Jackson on season three of the Netflix series You, streaming now. Congregation, please welcome Brian Safi. Am I saying your right name or your last name? I haven't said it in so long.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  Some say Safi, some say Safi, I say Safi, but I don't, it's one of the, it's, I'm still past the point of terror.

• 3:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, I wanna, I wanna put the stank on it, because I haven't talked to you in so long, Brian. Yes, Brian Safi, excuse the hell out of me.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  I'm like a fan from afar, or from the middle distance.

• 3:39Laci Mosley?

  I am too.

• 3:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, I'm inching closer, Brian, I won't lie, I just finished You, and I was like, Brian!

• 3:46Speaker 04

  It was my dream come true to be on the show, I can't even tell you.

• 3:49Laci Mosley?

  You're so funny in it, oh, it's so good.

• 3:53Speaker 04

  Thank you, I'm so glad you watched it. Have you, had you watched it before?

• 3:56Laci Mosley?

  Yes, oh, no, honey, I love me some Joe, okay? I am rooting for that murderer. He is literally a menace to society and still thinks he deserves love. I'm like, the confidence of a white man, I need it.

• 4:07Speaker 04

  It is all encapsulated in that character, no doubt about it.

• 4:10Laci Mosley?

  Right, he's never done anything but ruin lives, and he's like, but I should get love, someone should love me.

• 4:16Speaker 04

  And you want it for him.

• 4:18Laci Mosley?

  Right. Somehow you're rooting for him?

• 4:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, rooting for murderer.

• 4:22Laci Mosley?

  Right. Stalker, truly. After 2020, you know, what are we gonna do? I loved, I also really loved that your character and some of the other characters outside of, um, you know, Joe and Love, like when they moved to a different town, I feel like the show roasts every part of the country. Like they're slowly doing it. Like they roasted New York. Roasting LA. Now we're roasting like the Big Little Lies, Rich Small Town.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  Totally. Those jerks. And, and I love, it's like that crazy thing where like, when you're that rich and that white mostly, you are so into, it's like when liberalism becomes conservatism, when you are just so liberal and into all this stuff that all of a sudden you're like a fascist about it. It's, it's a weird, weird group of people.

• 5:11Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Oh, there were so many funny beats that, oh, and I just remember, this is not a spoiler, but the kid's birthday party.

• 5:18Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 5:19Laci Mosley?

  Pick your poison. You're like, no, but for real, what you gonna get drunk on?

• 5:22Speaker 04

  You can't say so before a kid's party. That's like absolutely not happening. Yeah.

• 5:26Laci Mosley?

  Right. You're like, no, but for real, like, how would you like to get drunk? Oh, it was so funny. Okay, I could gush forever about you. But Brian, what's, what is your relationship with scams? Do you like them? Do you hate them? Have you performed them? Have they been performed on you?

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Love, love, love, all of the above. My relationships with scams started very young when my aunt used to hire me without pay to.

• 5:51Laci Mosley?

  Love that for her. Okay, put the kids to work.

• 5:54Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Can never be too young. Uh, she would have me go in and like, take throw pillows or a sheet set from like Neiman Marcus or things that were too expensive. And I would kind of walk in and mop the stuff and walk out and no one ever said anything to me.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  I aged out of that. So it was a little bit like I was a ballet dancer, a gymnast that I didn't really last that long. Cause you get to be a teenager, Lacey, they don't like it.

• 6:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh no, then when you're a teenager, they're looking only at you. Only at you. Okay?

• 6:26Speaker 04

  So I guess that's also a little bit of like little white boy privilege that no,

• 6:29Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 6:30Speaker 04

  No one was looking at me at all, but I was just taking stuff constantly. And then I've dated scam artists. It's in my history. I appreciate them all.

• 6:36Laci Mosley?

  I love this for you. And I love your auntie opening up. Well, it was, she had a few amount of employees. So it wasn't quite a sweat shop, but like a sweat boutique, like a child labor boutique.

• 6:49Speaker 04

  It was like a child labor boutique. And then we'd go home and I would be six years old and she'd say, have you seen Basic Instinct? Or have you seen, you know, Hard to Kill or whatever? And I would say no, and we'd watch it. So it was great.

• 7:01Laci Mosley?

  Oh, your auntie is so chaotic and I love that.

• 7:04Speaker 04

  She is all the chaos.

• 7:06Laci Mosley?

  That's the auntie that I'm gonna be to my nieces and nephews.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  I gotta say, um, my nieces, I don't think appreciate me yet, frankly, because they're three in one. But they're gonna hardcore appreciate me when they get older and I can't wait.

• 7:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you're gonna be the fun one.

• 7:21Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Yeah. No rules here.

• 7:24Laci Mosley?

  No rules here. If you're gonna drink honey, do it in the house.

• 7:28Speaker 04

  Exactly. Absolute gross party mom. Definitely.

• 7:34Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Oh goodness. Well, let's get into our first segment here. What's hot in fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams on the streets or more often than not, we get a letter from you guys these days. As always, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Just make sure your scam is retired. So we don't what? Fuck up your bag. Amen. Oh my God. My mom's gonna kill me for swearing and saying amen in the same sentence.

• 8:00Laci Mosley?

  So Brian, I need you to give me a fake name for this person.

• 8:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. Uh, Joni.

• 8:06Laci Mosley?

  Joni. Love that. So the email is titled Bar Girl Drunk Man Scam, which I was already like, hmm, is this like, uh, what was that movie with the, with the woman who was definitely not 30?

• 8:19Speaker 04

  Oh, I promise I can stop you there. I know exactly what you're talking about.

• 8:26Speaker 04

  You had me right there. Well, there's only one of those. I know what you're talking about.

• 8:33Laci Mosley?

  Sorry, Carrie. No, if you don't know, I'm not saying that because I'm saying because in the movie she's like, she's like my 30th birthday. And I was like, sis, when?

• 8:41Speaker 04

  Oh, no, she's absolutely brilliant in that movie, but that's the part where it's sort of like, oh, you have to swallow a little extra.

• 8:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I'm like, okay, girl. And the Jeff Bezos time loop continuum. It's okay to get older. I was just saying like, sis, like, I'm 30.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Yep. Yep. Right there.

• 8:58Laci Mosley?

  But that's okay. Love that for you, Budo. You know, so maybe this is like a reverse one of those. We'll see. I don't know.

• 9:03Speaker 04

  We'll see. I'm excited for this.

• 9:04Laci Mosley?

  So it says, oh, some nice stuff here. Thank you, Joni. Joni says, a friend of a friend used to pull this scam all the time in college and it made her a lot of money. She was a family friend of a local bar and the bartenders would constantly hook her up with free drinks wherever she wanted. Using this hookup, she'd find a very drunk man and men and flirt with them and convince them to buy her a drink. She'd tell them that the bar was cash only, so they would hand her some money and she'd go to the bar and buy drinks and just pocket the cash. I think she was averaging a few hundred a night doing this all throughout college. Love from Houston. Joni. Okay.

• 9:47Speaker 04

  I thought this could be the like shortest con ever. Cause I was thinking like, maybe she gets like 30, $40 a night, maybe.

• 9:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. She must be fine. Like.

• 9:58Speaker 04

  Truly.

• 9:59Laci Mosley?

  Also, what happens when a homeboy goes to the bar to get another drink and he pays with a card?

• 10:04Speaker 04

  Great question. What if, what if he knows that they don't just take cash there? I guess she's, but you're right. I guess they're so hypnotized by her hotness that they just like, don't care anymore.

• 10:16Laci Mosley?

  It's giving hot girl. It's giving Megan Thee Stallion knees. It's giving, you know? And I mean, this also is a scam against the bar that you claim to be family friends with. Cause sis, you're stealing all the cash and then getting a free drink. You're actually robbing the bar.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  You apt, this is like a true serial robbery all at once.

• 10:38Laci Mosley?

  This is a scam against your friends and family.

• 10:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. Why would you do that?

• 10:43Laci Mosley?

  The men. It's not the drunk men.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  Where you eat.

• 10:46Laci Mosley?

  Right, because the drunk men, even, you know, I mean, they're intoxicated, but they're still giving you money out of the, on their own volition in the hopes of procuring, you know, procuring an alcoholic beverage. So they're not really getting scammed, especially if you came back with the drink. It's your cousin and them. You robbed your family. And I mean, who else, I mean, your friends and family are right there for robbery. Like, if you're gonna start.

• 11:11Speaker 04

  How is no one caught on?

• 11:14Laci Mosley?

  I mean, and honestly, we're taught to scam our friends and family from a very young age. Like, do you remember those catalogs that she would take home and you would force your mama to take them to work and be like, will you have people buy this cheap shit so that I can possibly get a razor scooter? But for the razor scooter, you gotta sell the whole catalog?

• 11:31Speaker 04

  Yup, yup. And, and also every CD warehouse scam that I put my mom's name on, like every single BMG music catalog, any ounce of bullshit, things I'd throw in her purse at the grocery store, yeah.

• 11:44Laci Mosley?

  Right. I feel so bad. I mean, yeah, I steal all my mom's clothes and shit, especially her makeup. Cause I'm like, girl, you don't even be using this. Let me just fill my purse up with all of these things. Like, I'm like, we're family. I can rob you whenever I want. That's like, I stole, you know, your essence from your body. You know, I was in there for nine months scamming you out of, uh, youth and exuberance, just sucking away all your nutrients.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Totally true. You don't think I put on a few of my mom's coats in her closet back in the day? She had no, I was scamming them all.

• 12:12Laci Mosley?

  As you should. Oh, funny thing that I remember with the catalogs is I did it one time and I was really trying to get whatever dumbass thing that costs like $12 that you gotta sell like $10,000 for. And then I moved. And why did I trust my, um, daycare teacher or some shit to distribute all the shit that I had sold? And I was out here hustling like hustleman. Like, if you saw me with my jacket on, opening it both sides, I got catalog cutouts, just billowing in the wind. I'm like, what you want? I got, I got, I got a chocolate covered strawberries. I got, what you want?

• 12:47Speaker 04

  The whole deal, full Amway.

• 12:49Laci Mosley?

  Right, full Amway. I went there. And then I actually got sales. And then I found out that my name was tarnished in my old neighborhood because when the stuff came in, the daycare teacher just kept all the shit.

• 13:01Speaker 04

  That's absolutely, you know what? Take those children away now. You know, I used to also hustle like that for things that like, like for the school, but selling these things. And I remember there was one pair, if you got to a certain level, you got a pair of sunglasses that also would show who was behind you, like it had a reflector in the glasses. They probably cost like $4.

• 13:23Laci Mosley?

  They put a mirror in a pair of glasses, Brian, a reflector.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  And all I had to do was sell like a hundred or $200 worth of shit. And I was so determined, I got there, made the, made the minimum, never got the fucking glasses. They like ran out.

• 13:40Laci Mosley?

  Oh, nah, then you gotta, it's hands time. I don't care if I'm knee height, your knee is about to get these, this one, two combo.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  Listen, I was eight years old. I had to know who was following me. Okay? And it didn't fucking happen.

• 13:53Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, you could have just glued some little mirrors on some shades, but I, but, but I get it. I get the appeal.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 14:00Laci Mosley?

  I just think we need to stop making our kids work the block like this. Like there's nothing we all hate more than somebody, mom or daddy coming up to you at work like, hey, Brenda. Okay. So, uh, Janie's school is doing the, like, get away from me, Susan.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  Nope. And by the way, in our jobs, sometimes they're like, really highly paid people who were like,

• 14:19Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Could you donate? And I'm like, can you? You make like 50 times the amount of money as I do.

• 14:26Laci Mosley?

  I feel like Chris Rock did that as a bit to somebody. He like sold, he, he like, it was either him or, yeah, I think it was him or Dave Chappelle who like sold people cookies or something for their kids. And then they fully were like, oh, you want me to pay you for the cookies? Like, miss you? You made a lot of money. What? Your money, you know, you make a lot of money. If I could Google it, they gonna tell me what's in your checking and savings. That's when you make a lot of money. If I can literally get on there and be like, how much they got on Forbes?

• 14:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know you're. That worth.

• 14:56Laci Mosley?

  That's including assets, bitch. Like they don't appraise your boat. So don't come over here trying to make me buy no damn cookie, you raggedy bitch. No, I'm with you on that. Oh, I hate it. We should just have the kids fundraiser. Like, we don't need to like be out here making the kids be corner boys on the block. Like, I got them, I got them chocolate bars.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  Forget it. No.

• 15:17Laci Mosley?

  Although I do love the little black boys who have slowly are becoming like adult black men that I'm like, you're college age. And they're like, we trying to get basketball jerseys. You don't know you don't play no damn basketball. Sorry, you are four three.

• 15:31Speaker 04

  I don't know who you're searching for. They're not for you.

• 15:35Laci Mosley?

  So guys, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll get into my favorite segment. What's hot in fraud? After non-scam advertisements. Scam.

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• 16:19Speaker 05

  She'd throw things, wander, and started hoarding. Mom's Alzheimer's was already so hard. But then we found out she had agitation that may happen with dementia due to Alzheimer's disease. And that was a different kind of difficult. So we asked her doctor for more help.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Seeing symptoms like these in a loved one? It could be time to ask their doctor about Rexulti. Rexiprazole 2mg, the first FDA-approved treatment for this condition. Rexulti is proven to reduce agitation symptoms. Rexulti should not be used as an as-needed treatment. Elderly people with dementia-related psychosis have increased risk of death or stroke. Report fever, stiff muscles, and confusion, which can be life-threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements, which may be permanent. High blood sugar can lead to coma or death. Weight gain, increased cholesterol, unusual urges, dizziness on standing, falls, seizures, trouble swallowing, or sleepiness may occur. Learn more about these and other side effects at rexulti.com. Tap ad for PI.

• 17:10Speaker 05

  I'm glad I asked for help.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Ask your loved one's doctor about Rexulti.

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• 17:48Laci Mosley?

  And we're back. And it's time for my favorite segment of the show, Historic Hoodwings. That's where I will regale Brian with a famous Connor Caper. We'll get his opinions all throughout. Yes. So today we're talking about, oh, I love her first name already. It's giving throwback. It's giving supia photos in round picture frames. Geraldine.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  Yes. There's a profile and there's a head on in the same picture.

• 18:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you know Geraldine had a landline.

• 18:20Speaker 04

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 18:21Laci Mosley?

  And with a little curly cue, with a little curly fry cord, you know? Old school.

• 18:26Speaker 04

  And you know she had an extender on it. She probably had one of those things where they build that on the phone so that you don't have to bend your neck as much. She was like set up in luxury with this phone.

• 18:37Laci Mosley?

  Geraldine was keeping that in that cute. And you just know it was hanging in her kitchen, you know? And she would like walk around the corner and wrap the cord when she needed to have a private conversation.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Yep, definitely.

• 18:49Laci Mosley?

  That's what it's giving.

• 18:50Speaker 04

  Secret bottle of rum somewhere by the phone. Just hidden in a cupboard.

• 18:54Laci Mosley?

  And definitely one under her bathroom sink and one in her nightstand.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Yes, Geraldine.

• 19:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so Geraldine Elizabeth Carmichael, oh, say it, money, was a powerhouse American automobile executive and notorious fraudster. She was a trans woman who tried to make history selling the fuel-efficient three-wheel Dale vehicle at the height of the 1974 oil crisis. Wow, this is 1974 and she was a trans woman. Wow.

• 19:23Speaker 04

  Trans woman, yeah, who I, who just, I love a trans woman fraudster in 1974. What can I say?

• 19:30Laci Mosley?

  I love everything about this. So, but as with common lifetime criminals, it eventually all came crashing down, damn. You know, when crime is your profession for your whole life, that tends to happen. But crime is a profession. You know what I mean? You can work at crime.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  Definitely. Oh, yeah. And by the way, it's like any other profession where you move up and move up and move up and your crimes get more complicated and you're overseeing more people. I mean, it's just like any other job.

• 19:56Laci Mosley?

  You learn things along the way.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 19:58Laci Mosley?

  You get better. That's why we really just need to start, you know, as kids, we'd be like, what do you want to be when you grow up? And they all say marine biologist, goddamn astronaut and doctor, you know, but I want some kids to be like, you know, I aspire to do organized crime and, you know, really get in and learn.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  It's a, it's a trade. It's not easy to learn and it's, you have to really be an independent thinker.

• 20:20Laci Mosley?

  Get your reading list together. The Godfather, you know, you need to see every season of The Wire, except for that one that they did at the docks.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  That's true. All of them.

• 20:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes, like learn your industry. So Liz Carmichael was born in 1927 in Indiana. She grew up with a reputation as a mischievous troublemaker before she served in the US Armed Forces overseas in Germany. She had three brief marriages before marrying Vivian Barrett in 1959 and having five children together. By the 1960s, the FBI was already, and just so you know, we're not misgendering Liz because she is trans. However, before transitioning, she had wives and, and did have children with them. For anybody who thinks, is a little confused there. So we just use the current pronouns. We don't use the past ones. Um, it's like how whenever I drag Caitlyn Jenner for shit that she did before she transitioned,

• 21:14Laci Mosley?

  it's still Caitlyn in her bitch ass.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  Caitlyn Jenner forever deserves to be dragged.

• 21:18Laci Mosley?

  Forever through the goddamn, she killed someone.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  She definitely killed someone in Malibu. There's no doubt about that.

• 21:25Laci Mosley?

  In Malibu, which is the whitest place you could ever kill someone.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  No doubt about it.

• 21:29Laci Mosley?

  If you're murderers in Malibu.

• 21:31Speaker 04

  Only in Malibu can you get away with killing someone without, like, only in Malibu can you kill someone and not get questioned for it.

• 21:36Laci Mosley?

  Right. They're like, oh my God, it's Caitlyn Jenner. Oh, girl, just go. Well, the EMT will be here soon, guys. Oh, wait, can we get some pictures? Actually, the coroner would like to meet you. Like, it's, that's so dark, but like, Malibu is the only place where you could kill someone and then they just like quietly sweep it under the rug. She was like texting and driving too, so.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, no, full mess. And just they're like, you're an absolute hero for every reason. And yeah, do it again, anytime.

• 22:08Laci Mosley?

  Like, Malibu is actually pretty quiet. It's like Big Little Lies over here. So this is really gonna get the coffee shop abuzz.

• 22:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh, what a nightmare, human. So she, she had these three brief marriages. Now we're back on Liz, not a nightmare, human. So she had these three brief marriages before marrying Vivian Barrett in 1959, having five children together. Let's see what these kids are giving. So by the 1960s, the FBI had a fairly thick file on her. Oh, and we're gonna pause for one moment to look at Miss Liz. Wait, where is it?

• 22:40Speaker 04

  Right in the center.

• 22:42Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's Liz?

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:43Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, I thought maybe that was her wife. Okay. Hey, Liz. The kids are outfitted pretty nicely, so the crimes are going good.

• 22:51Speaker 04

  All matching, beautifully dressed.

• 22:54Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it's giving, we're, we're giving like a little light, little shadow here. It feels like not a professional photo because it looks like they had somebody bedroom. But it's giving, we got a good camera.

• 23:05Speaker 04

  Definitely. And she's got those cars that I assume are hers, the ones she created.

• 23:10Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I feel like Liz is living the life that Lana Del Rey thinks she's living.

• 23:16Speaker 04

  You know what? I, I can't see it yet, but I couldn't agree with you more.

• 23:21Laci Mosley?

  Scamming in my old car.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, you're right. Lana Del Rey, this is Lana Del Rey would wear every single one of these outfits.

• 23:31Speaker 04

  Making up my name. Absolutely.

• 23:34Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I'm coming up my name.

• 23:39Laci Mosley?

  I see, yes, I love it. I see a mark over there. I say, come over here, get in my scamming game.

• 23:49Speaker 04

  I want my polyester, make it in a plaid shape, put it on my butt.

• 23:57Laci Mosley?

  Put it on my butt.

• 23:58Speaker 04

  That's it.

• 24:00Laci Mosley?

  Robin Banks with my mask on.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  Definitely. This is how I do cons. Video guy.

• 24:10Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love it. Lana, write the song.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Lana, send us those royalties.

• 24:18Laci Mosley?

  Oh, gosh. Oh, yeah, please do. Don't sue us, Lana. Okay, so by this time, Liz, who we've established is a battery with a lot of children, you know, by the sixties, the FBI had already had a fairly thick file on her for various scams involving embezzlement while selling vacuum cleaners. Ooh, that door to door vacuum cleaners was a real thing that I never quite understood.

• 24:43Speaker 04

  And by the way, this is a, this is a typical, this is where the girl at the bar starts. Do you know what I mean?

• 24:48Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 24:48Speaker 04

  This was that version of that. This is you start small and then if you're good, you grow into an empire.

• 24:55Laci Mosley?

  If you can sell anything while being mobile, you are a scammer. Okay? Cause I like, I like to buy things from retail establishments because it's some brick and mortar and I know where to find you. If you sell this shit on foot, how I'm ever gonna find you if this vacuum cleaner ain't hoover like it's supposed to be?

• 25:13Speaker 04

  And by the way, a stranger is knocking on your door and scamming you in your home. That is fucking heavy. That is really courageous.

• 25:24Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, I feel like when people get, maybe because this is back in the day, so people was really rocking with the broom.

• 25:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:30Laci Mosley?

  You know, the caveman vacuum.

• 25:31Speaker 04

  That's true, yeah.

• 25:33Laci Mosley?

  Before Dyson came out and literally just started licking on floors. It was like, we gonna suck the color off your floor. Dyson ain't missing no crumbs. I'm like, does this Dyson have a tongue? I think something just licked underneath the couch.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Yup.

• 25:47Laci Mosley?

  Dyson was like, you ain't never been sucked like this before.

• 25:49Speaker 04

  Honestly, to me, Dyson is still the same as SpaceX. Like, I, I very, it's the same technology to me. I'm still so impressed.

• 25:58Laci Mosley?

  I have one and let me tell you, this is slaps. It's slaps.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  You do?

• 26:02Laci Mosley?

  Yes. My friend Miranda gave it to me for my birthday and it was so funny because I'm like, who would give me a Dyson? Cause all the gifts were like in my office and I was opening them and of course the cards got separated and I really had to like become Detective Sloof to figure out who the hell gave me a Dyson. Like one of my friends gave me, I won't say, well, no, it's fine. She knows. She gave me Chanel earrings. I was like, bitch, are all y'all rich? I have to rob y'all this whole time.

• 26:29Laci Mosley?

  I said, bro, I'm gonna throw a blowout like this every, I clean the fuck up.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  Right man will, will come to me and, and approach me with a Dyson. That, that is how it's.

• 26:38Laci Mosley?

  Yes. I love that for you, Ryan. I believe I'm gonna manifest that for you. And if the manifest don't work, like we say, steal. You know what I mean? After manifesting is theft. You know, you like to, you put your crystals out, charge up in the moonlight, burn that sage, give it a few days.

• 26:53Speaker 04

  I like.

• 26:54Laci Mosley?

  And if that don't work, put that shit away and start stealing.

• 26:56Speaker 04

  Yep. From one end to the other.

• 26:58Laci Mosley?

  And that's still manifest. That's just manifest destiny. And we learn that in history.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  You're absolutely right.

• 27:04Laci Mosley?

  That's what they did. I've said it a billion times on this podcast. They were like, God told us to steal.

• 27:11Laci Mosley?

  Y'all ain't hear that? That was God. He had just tested me on the parchment and he said, we gonna rob the girls.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  Help yourself. God helps those who help themselves. It's right there.

• 27:22Laci Mosley?

  I'll be used to the next time I steal. God said, God, he had said that he helped those who helped themselves. I'm helping myself to your television.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  Closer to heaven. That's right.

• 27:31Laci Mosley?

  Amen. Doing what he said. Okay. Look, he leave, it was pretty, the Bible leaves a lot to interpretation. That's why we have preachers, right?

• 27:40Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 27:42Laci Mosley?

  That is just loose.

• 27:44Speaker 04

  You just have to find the right interpretation. Yeah.

• 27:46Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. And then what are they gonna say when you get up there? Like, how was I supposed to know God? Like you didn't leave no cliff notes. You didn't put no little footnotes at the bottom. Ain't no asterisks.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  There's a lot of metaphor. I needed it. Hard truth, black and white. And I didn't get that.

• 27:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I mean, look, you had burning bushes. You know, homies gotta go up to the mountain and maybe kill their son.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  People turning into salt because they looked backwards, you know?

• 28:10Laci Mosley?

  And I be eating salt. So am I eating people? Like, come on, God. Like, what's going on?

• 28:15Speaker 04

  That's the most confusing part of the Bible.

• 28:18Speaker 04

  So Salt is People?

• 28:20Laci Mosley?

  For sure. And now I only know this joke because an older writer explained it to me, but it's definitely the, um, what, what, what was that movie? Damn, not forgetting.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  Oh shit.

• 28:32Laci Mosley?

  It was like, something is people.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Um, Soylent Green.

• 28:37Laci Mosley?

  Soylent Green.

• 28:38Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 28:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  So, and I can't remember the name. I guess that was the name of the movie too.

• 28:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it was. Soylent Green is people.

• 28:45Speaker 04

  Is people. And then they had the audacity to release a Soylent drink.

• 28:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's so crazy. And I love that for them. Come on, merch. So the FBI is familiar with homegirl, right? They were like, oh, that's, oh, we know her. You know, we're acquaintances. We follow each other on Twitter. So the FBI, they're looking out. She was selling these vacuum cleaners. I'm gonna move past the vacuum cleaners, but I just have to say this. It's like, so you're sitting at your house and you like, and somebody pull up like, you want a vacuum cleaner? It's not something you just go out and get yourself, but it's the sixties. So, you know, it's just housewives at home.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, they probably didn't have, a lot of them probably didn't have their own car.

• 29:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, true. That's a good point.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  Maybe, yeah.

• 29:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh, because if you're a homemaker, which this is giving homemaker time. I have a Playboy from the sixties and it's very much those advertisements like, I love ironing for my man with this iron. Like, it's very like, everything's for your man. And like, make your man happy when he comes home by inhaling this comet.

• 29:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. Don't ever be exhausted or have an opinion and just do it for him.

• 29:46Laci Mosley?

  Right. So you're right. Maybe they didn't have cars. Yeah. I think that's a good, that's a excellent point. So she was known as sort of a salesperson that would charm anyone into anything in 10 minutes. I bet you she just had that kind of like sexual charge that some people have where it's magnetic. It's not even like it's like overtly sexual. There's just something that people, some people have that is like this, like Jesse Williams has it. Like, when I worked with him, like, he was not flirting with me, not being weird at all, but he just, the way he would talk. And then you would just be looking into his eyes. And then the next thing I know, he's pointing out constellations in the sky. And I'm like, wow, I'm in Grey's Anatomy. How did I get here? But he's like that for everyone, men, women, everyone. You just be like, oh, yes.

• 30:31Laci Mosley?

  Like, I feel like if he like really worked on hypnotism or something, I'd be like, I work for you now?

• 30:36Speaker 04

  That's when you're like, oh yeah, you are a star.

• 30:40Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  Liz Carmichael sounds like she was a star.

• 30:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Liz is a star. Liz is giving big, big celebrity energy. So Liz's daughter Candy, come on, you better name your daughter Candy. Yes. Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum. Candy says, we had our pick up and go routine down to about 10 minutes. Amen, Candy. And Liz began her trans, oh, okay, so this is actually just about Liz. I was trying to do a transition, but Liz, uh, began her transition as a woman in the late 60s, now in her 40s. So in the late 60s, she's in her 40s and she was like, okay, I'm about to just really give the girls like everything.

• 31:19Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 31:20Laci Mosley?

  Um, and I love that. So though it was difficult for a trans woman to find resources in the 1960s, Liz found hormone treatments in Mexico. Mexico been giving the girls the stuff that America won't.

• 31:30Speaker 04

  Every single time. I just watched some other documentary, well, that Lula Rowe documentary, that Lula Rich thing, where they would go to Tijuana to get the lap band because they wouldn't really do it here. I, I'm telling you, if you want cutting edge, go there.

• 31:42Laci Mosley?

  Tijuana. Listen, they will do it, okay? And just make sure you go to like one of the better doctors in Mexico. You know what I mean? Like, don't go to the one who's like, okay, so we're gonna use some tequila?

• 31:52Speaker 04

  Nope. No, definitely not.

• 31:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. At least make sure they putting you out, but look, Mexico be like, Ben Benito's, can I have some surgery? And I love that for them.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  When I was a kid, because I lived in El Paso, so we would go to Juarez to like, sometimes just get medication, because it was like, so much cheaper and it was the same stuff.

• 32:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, anytime we would go on a cruise, I'd be like, what's going on?

• 32:14Speaker 04

  Exactly. Yep.

• 32:15Laci Mosley?

  Hola, mucho gusto. Let me see what y'all got in here. Come on, RX.

• 32:23Laci Mosley?

  So though it was difficult, I mean, obviously in the 1960s, Liz's wife Vivian said, the children called her Mother Liz and just me plain mother. Oh, and Mother Liz is giving mother?

• 32:37Speaker 04

  Mother Liz is sort of, that's a, that's thriller, horror, Annabelle vibes, is what that is. Mother Liz is a Halloween for sure.

• 32:47Laci Mosley?

  Also, but Mother Liz is giving mother, like, Mother Liz. Like, you know what I mean? And they're literally the kids, you know?

• 32:54Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 32:55Laci Mosley?

  It's giving.

• 32:56Speaker 04

  You'll, you'll never get confused about who's the parent.

• 32:59Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 33:01Laci Mosley?

  I love this and I love how accepting Vivian is of this and like they're just cuz it's at this time period like bro like they were still doing racism's out in the open they just you know there's a sign maker for racism so there's an old joke I don't know whose it is but somebody talking about how like the water fountain industry really lost out when segregation ended cuz they used to sell two water fountains now they can only sell one we're not doing the color order no more

• 33:30Laci Mosley?

  the kind coming at

• 33:31Speaker 04

  it really hit the industry hard yeah

• 33:33Laci Mosley?

  so you know that's I love how progressive this is yes

• 33:39Laci Mosley?

  real love Liz was working at a marketing company during the height of the nineteen seventy four Middle East oil crisis when she discovered the Dale the Dale was a three wheeled car by Dale Cliff made of ridge X or space age rocket structural resin which could supposedly withstand impact against a brick wall at up to fifty miles per hour

• 34:00Speaker 04

  wow I love a three wheel car no doubt about it

• 34:04Laci Mosley?

  it's giving the first Tesla is

• 34:07Speaker 04

  you know what you're right I actually like the body of this better though but it absolutely is giving the first Tesla

• 34:13Laci Mosley?

  is giving Elon Musk while Elon gives Elon musty you know

• 34:17Speaker 04

  completely this is what Grimes drove away in

• 34:22Laci Mosley?

  oh my god Grimes is a new manicurist cuz them nails be giving I'm like girl who did these

• 34:28Laci Mosley?

  they look like they they put the nail over her finger skin anyway zoom in one day you'll see what I'm talking about I don't understand so it was supposed to be the perfect solution for the oil crosses or crisis excuse me promising seventy miles per gallon and selling at only two thousand about eleven thousand dollars today so two thousand dollars that's really cheap then and eleven thousand dollars today for a car is hella cheap

• 34:51Speaker 04

  yeah

• 34:52Laci Mosley?

  so for Liz it was also the beginning of the perfect scam oh I can't wait y'all see this car cuz it looks like like a banana is giving like very phallic very long front

• 35:05Speaker 04

  it is very phallic you're right it is

• 35:08Laci Mosley?

  Can it withstand the brick wall at 50 miles per hour because of the material? Or because it's got like a dick in front of it?

• 35:15Speaker 04

  There's absolutely no way that car can withstand a stoplight. There's, I mean, without going off balance and off track. It's good looking, but that's about it.

• 35:25Laci Mosley?

  Imagine a car where the steering wheel and brakes and everything is in the backseat. That's how long the front of this car is. Like if you just drove your car from the backseat, yeah, from the backseat, you probably can run into a brick wall. It'd be cool.

• 35:38Speaker 04

  You have like a 50 foot like buffer for if you run into anything with the front of this car.

• 35:43Laci Mosley?

  Bitch, is this a boat and y'all just took off the second set of wheels?

• 35:47Speaker 04

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• 37:56Laci Mosley?

  The 20th Century Motor Car Corporation. So there's some videos here of the Motor Car Corporation. Immediately after discovering the Dale, Liz created the 20th Century Motor Car Corporation, inspired by Anne Rand's Atlas Shrugged. With help, oh wow, so she was reading them books that they forced us to read at middle school. Wow.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  Tea party.

• 38:15Laci Mosley?

  Because Anne Rand had a chokehold on the middle schools.

• 38:19Speaker 04

  She certainly did.

• 38:21Laci Mosley?

  I don't know how she lobbied Big Middle.

• 38:24Speaker 04

  Nope. She took a swing and she, she did it.

• 38:27Laci Mosley?

  Ein was like, y'all gonna read all my books, little 11-year-olds. Okay, bitch.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Look out for only yourself. That was the lesson of her books. Congrats, Ein.

• 38:38Laci Mosley?

  Right. Thank you. Thank you so much, Ein. Yeah, how am I, how am I forgetting? They also, when we would say Anne, they'd be like, ah, ah, ah. It's Ein.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  It is, right? It was Anne. I can't even remember.

• 38:47Laci Mosley?

  No, it's Ein. I feel like, I feel like people were very mean to us about it. I also want to know which Ein Rand book they forced me to read in middle school.

• 38:57Speaker 04

  It was the Fountainhead.

• 38:58Laci Mosley?

  Oh, it was the Fountainhead? Y'all was classy. I feel like mine wasn't as classy as that.

• 39:03Speaker 04

  It wasn't the Fountainhead. It was like a short book.

• 39:05Laci Mosley?

  It was some like, basic ass shit that we had to read. I'm looking at a list of her books right now, trying to see which was the joint that they forced us.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  Looked like.

• 39:15Laci Mosley?

  I can too. Was it the Fountainhead?

• 39:18Speaker 04

  Or maybe, I don't think so. Maybe it was, um, like an essay collection or something? I don't know.

• 39:25Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. It was something. It was something. I just wish I could remember because now I want to know, but it's gotta be maybe. Oh, it was Anthem.

• 39:33Speaker 04

  Anthem. That is it.

• 39:35Laci Mosley?

  Anthem. That's the one. That was the bop. That was really the one that slapped. Okay?

• 39:40Speaker 04

  It really did. People talk about the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, but Anthem was the one.

• 39:44Laci Mosley?

  Anthem was the girl. I feel like Scholastic and Ayn teamed up and they went to, you know, the courthouse and they were like, everybody gonna read this book. And they also gonna read that other book, uh, the one about the dystopian society and it gonna read Catcher in the Rye.

• 39:59Speaker 04

  I gotta say, they were really, I feel like schools were really into showing us a future that was as dark as can be. Like they were just like, it's, this is how it could be. Like Brave New World and fucking, what's the other one?

• 40:10Laci Mosley?

  Which now that I think about it.

• 40:11Speaker 04

  Nineteen eighty-four.

• 40:12Laci Mosley?

  Nineteen eighty-four. And there was that one, oh my God, where they was burning the books and shit. Which one was that?

• 40:17Speaker 04

  Fahrenheit four fifty-one.

• 40:18Laci Mosley?

  Fahrenheit four fifty-one. I feel like, you know, they were all by white authors, but I also feel, that's why Ayn, there was like, yeah, Ayn in here. So we got some feminine energy.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 40:27Laci Mosley?

  But I also feel like all these books were trying to be like, look how good capitalism is right now.

• 40:32Speaker 04

  You're right.

• 40:33Laci Mosley?

  Because otherwise we could be doing this. So let us keep robbing y'all and little broke bitches as you grow up, you know, bootlick, bootlick.

• 40:40Speaker 04

  Yup.

• 40:41Laci Mosley?

  Not the bootlick, uh, reading list.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. Honest to God. It's, yeah, just that, any theme that's like, you, you think you've got it bad now is like, okay.

• 40:49Laci Mosley?

  Nah, Uncle Sam's Book Club.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  For sure, Uncle Sam's.

• 40:55Speaker 04

  For sure, Uncle Sam's.

• 40:56Laci Mosley?

  I was reading at school. I hated the ghetto. Okay, so she started Twentieth Century Motors. This is Liz, Mova Liz. Uh, so with the help of several mob figures, uh, several, excuse me, in order to produce the car. So she got with the mob and she was like, Tony, Vicky.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  That, you know what? And this is a good step for people who want to start a business. Learn to delegate. You, if you don't think you'll be the best at something, give it to, hand it off.

• 41:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And do you know, the mob has many employees. They have people all over in all types of fronts. You know what I mean? You know, you never need to do your laundry again.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  True. Laundry, they love making docs. Maybe.

• 41:35Laci Mosley?

  Mm hmm.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  There's always a doc involved with the mafia. I'm not sure why.

• 41:39Laci Mosley?

  Oh, for sure. Absolutely.

• 41:40Speaker 04

  Liquor.

• 41:41Laci Mosley?

  And I love that for them.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Submarine sandwiches. Yeah.

• 41:43Laci Mosley?

  They love, yeah, they love water because that's where you can really get shipments. They love a, you know, a container.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  They love something where they can get something, a container, and they love something that'll, that they can sink. They like that, too.

• 41:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. Yes. And I love that for them. So Liz said, I'm going to build the public exactly what they're looking for. And I'm going to knock the hell out of Detroit doing it. Come on, Motor City. She told the press she had a degree in mechanical engineering and that 20th century had rented three airplane hangars for production. This generated buzz, landing her high in high profile interviews and like having high profile investors get involved as well. I love this because like, who gonna check me, boo? It's 1974.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  Google.

• 42:25Laci Mosley?

  Who you gonna call?

• 42:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:27Laci Mosley?

  Who you gonna call? And I also love that she says she had a degree in mechanical engineering. She didn't say from where.

• 42:33Speaker 04

  Nope. No.

• 42:34Laci Mosley?

  She didn't say from where.

• 42:35Speaker 04

  By the way, she could have said Harvard and they wouldn't have checked.

• 42:37Laci Mosley?

  They wouldn't have.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:38Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's like, nobody was doing that. But she just said, I have a degree. And they were like, sure you do, girl. We believe you. I feel like we're back to being able to do that. There was a time period where people would check and now I feel like they don't check no more. Because I don't even know where my degree is. I think my parents have it.

• 42:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:52Laci Mosley?

  I feel like we can lie and say we have degrees again.

• 42:55Speaker 04

  Definitely. PhDs, everything. Yeah.

• 42:57Laci Mosley?

  Mm hmm. So the Dale even appeared on The Price is Right. She also told the press that she was the widow of a NASA graduate with five children, while her real wife Vivian posed as her assistant or sister in law. Damn. So they, they, they did know better enough to be like, this is my assistant. Sometimes me and my assistant kiss.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  Right. It's very affectionate.

• 43:21Laci Mosley?

  I work a lot, so I gotta practice for my husband.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  That's right. We kiss like, like sisters.

• 43:28Laci Mosley?

  He wants my lips to stay fresh.

• 43:30Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 43:32Speaker 04

  Listen, she's a working woman. She's got to work every angle.

• 43:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. I love this. Although I wonder how Vivian felt like posing as her assistant. Maybe it was spicy. I feel like Vivian probably was into this life. She was like, damn, I'm living a very spicy life.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  Imagine looking out onto a crowd and being like, I have sex with her every night and I'm the only one who knows that. It's pretty hot.

• 43:54Laci Mosley?

  That's pretty hot. It is. Also, she robbing everybody and you're just like, yeah, that's my boo. You know, I feel like Vivian was into thugs. She was like, oh yeah, I got me a criminal boo.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  Yep. She was, listen, she was right or die, clearly.

• 44:07Laci Mosley?

  Clearly. So meanwhile, the money received from investors that was supposed to be put in escrow accounts didn't actually make it to the account. Investors began looking into 20th century as more questions came up about the dubious business practices. They found three empty airplane hangars with expired rent where Dale was supposed to be producing. They did find three actual Dales in existence, but only one worked and all three were made from poor materials, including household or door hinges. When, you know, this is just rich people don't know what to do with their money. So that's, it's so easy to get a venture capitalist involved in something. You just have to call it the future.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  Yep. That's right. This car, this is going to be, all you have to do is just like have a toy and be like this. And they're like, take it all. Take everything I own.

• 44:49Laci Mosley?

  Don't nothing get venture capitalists hornier more than some future. All you gotta say is future. You could be talking about the rapper Future. You don't gotta say that's a future. Have you heard of purple liquid? That you put in a Styrofoam cup. It's the future. You know, like lean, we just invested in lean.

• 45:09Laci Mosley?

  You know, that's all they need to know. So Dale was actually the car, a modified motorcycle, weatherproofed by Dale Cliff for year round riding. So all it was, was a motorcycle that they put some car front on.

• 45:25Laci Mosley?

  So that you could ride around in it all year. So I'm like, bro, if this is a motorcycle, am I getting into this car and straddling it?

• 45:34Speaker 04

  That is crazy. So basically she never showed anyone the inside of the car.

• 45:41Laci Mosley?

  Looks that way. They were just looking at that long phallic front.

• 45:44Speaker 04

  That's all they were so mesmerized. They were like, how hung is this fucking car right now?

• 45:49Laci Mosley?

  How hung is this car? I need, I need to invest in this BBC car. Uh, some of you will get that. Some of you will think I'm talking about British radio.

• 46:00Speaker 04

  Right. Sure. Sure.

• 46:04Laci Mosley?

  Um, so while investigators were looking into the 20th century, news anchor Dick Carl, Carlson, father of Tucker Carlson. Oh.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  This I knew about.

• 46:15Laci Mosley?

  Tucker's dad is named Dick. Uh.

• 46:19Speaker 04

  This family.

• 46:19Laci Mosley?

  He looks, uh, his face look like a sum.

• 46:23Speaker 04

  Obsessed, obsessed with queer people, obsessed with them. It's like in the lineage.

• 46:30Laci Mosley?

  And that's what's so wild because it's like, if you really hate queer people so much, like, why you in our business all the time? Like, why are you around every corner? Like, what is y'all gays doing? Like, why are you? We actually don't think about you. We don't talk about you often. Like, you could just stay away. Like, how do you know where our cue events are gonna be at so you can protest? Like, do you follow Pride? Do you follow?

• 46:55Speaker 04

  And your dad was obsessed with it. You people are really tragic.

• 46:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. How did you figure out where the balls were, girls? Like, who, who's giving you the tea?

• 47:06Speaker 04

  Yup.

• 47:07Laci Mosley?

  They're like, oh, we follow them, but just so we can make sure we know where they at, so we can go do hate to them. That's it.

• 47:12Speaker 04

  No doubt about it. They vote 25 times for the same queen to win Drag Race. They're, they are repeat voters, no doubt about it. Like, we just want to really make sure that the one we hate the most wins.

• 47:23Laci Mosley?

  That reminds me of like when old conversion camp enthusiast, uh, Mike Pence, when he first got elected as vice president, like the, one of the first public outings he did was go to Hamilton. I said, no, you're not trying to pull up with the girls and, and get some Hamilton tickets because you vice president.

• 47:40Speaker 04

  I remember Lin-Manuel Miranda was not having it, or whoever. Someone was there. Yeah.

• 47:45Laci Mosley?

  They booed him.

• 47:45Speaker 04

  They booed him.

• 47:46Laci Mosley?

  Like from the stage too. I think like the actors got him.

• 47:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, they did. No, the actors came out and they were like, I can't remember who it was, but one of the actors was like, uh, we hope that you're like, not going to be a monster in there. I mean, it was like truly. To his face, cut to the quick. You're not.

• 48:03Laci Mosley?

  It's like, girl, what are you doing here? I thought you hated us. What are you doing here?

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. Why on earth do you want to hear like an immigrant story?

• 48:11Laci Mosley?

  By a lot of queer people.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, right. Exactly.

• 48:16Laci Mosley?

  It's like, you love us. It's okay. You love us.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  Belly of the beast.

• 48:20Laci Mosley?

  The opposite of love is indifference. Dick Carlson, you love us. It's cool.

• 48:23Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 48:24Laci Mosley?

  So, uh, back to this. Oh, Lord. So, news anchor Dick Carlson, father of, uh, a turd, uh, put out 20 pieces about Liz and the Dale and proceeded to out her on air while repeatedly attacking her for being trans. Dick Carlson is also known for outing tennis player Renee Richards in 1976. Girl, how do you know the girls are gay? Like, are you also there? Are you like, you must have saw them somewhere that she was also there being gay at. Cause like, how do you know?

• 48:56Speaker 04

  Renee Richards was a trans woman tennis player also. So he was like on a special kind of hateful mission.

• 49:03Laci Mosley?

  Oh, oh, which is giving like this man, probably me on Santa Monica Boulevard, trying to pick up the girls, but then also probably trying to fight them if he thinks they're gonna say something publicly.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  Could not have said it better.

• 49:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's what it's giving. Ugh. So, in true Carmichael fashion, as the authorities were closing in on her family, Liz moved 20th Century to Dallas. They fled again to Miami where they lived for nine weeks while Liz worked for a dating service. Okay. Eventually, a neighbor recognized Liz and called the authorities. Not the neighbor. Ratchet. She was arrested April 12th, 1975. She was housed in the men, oh no, she was housed in the men's central jail in Los Angeles where she was severely beaten. She was extradited to Los Angeles where she went on trial for conspiracy, grand theft and fraud. Oh my God, why would you put like, I mean, obviously they still do it now. And I think that it's something that's being worked on, but.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  It's like prison to prison now. Like it's, it's, it's just a, it's, it's, it's literal torture. It's so messed up.

• 50:07Laci Mosley?

  And I just love how the argument is, and look, as a woman, I'm afraid of all men. Like when I see men walking down the street, I'm like, oh God, they gonna kill me. Like if they come up to me, they can be like, hey miss. And I'm like, please no. And they're like, you dropped your wallet. And I'm like, oh, thank you.

• 50:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 50:23Laci Mosley?

  Wow. And then I still run away because I'm like, I don't know, you might turn and still get me.

• 50:28Speaker 04

  That'll be a trick. Yeah.

• 50:28Laci Mosley?

  Right. But I have been in so many, I was just at the We're Here premiere for HBO. And there were people of all spectrum, you know, the gendered binary everywhere. And like, we were all using the same bathrooms. I'll be in the bathroom with, you know, John Evans or like whoever. And like, who, no one cared and nobody was like trying to wear a wig so that they could go in and grab ladies. Like that's, like, let's stop acting like very aggressive men who sexually assault people don't just do that anywhere.

• 50:58Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:59Laci Mosley?

  Like a bathroom sign is not stopping a, a sexual assault man.

• 51:03Speaker 04

  No, I mean, it just happens in a park in the middle of

• 51:06Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  Like people. I mean, yeah, you're right. There's no

• 51:10Laci Mosley?

  It's like, ain't no sign stopping them. It's like, so please stop acting like if we integrate bathrooms, which has happened in Europe years and years and years ago, when I would go like the, you know, in clubs, like everyone uses the same bathrooms. Like let's please stop acting like trans people using the bathroom means that, uh, straight cis men are gonna put on wigs to go in and assault women. Like, bro, they do it everywhere. Like they don't need an excuse.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  Completely.

• 51:35Laci Mosley?

  Like, child, they don't need a sign. They walking up in the bathrooms too. Straight men are terrifying.

• 51:42Laci Mosley?

  But anyway, all of that to say, like, it sucks that obviously they misgendered her and put her in the wrong prison because people are sick in the head. Anyway, so the trial in Los Angeles lasted over nine months, one of the longest in Los Angeles court history, and she chose to represent herself. Wow, Liz.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  I truly, you know, a dumb move, except I feel like Liz probably knew what she was doing.

• 52:03Laci Mosley?

  It's probably why it took nine months.

• 52:08Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 52:09Laci Mosley?

  I would like a recess for me. They're like, Liz, we just came back from lunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna need a recess.

• 52:14Speaker 04

  She was thinking, she needed time to think. She was thinking of every possible way to get out of this.

• 52:19Laci Mosley?

  And I love that for her. So in January 24th, 1977, Liz was convicted of grand theft and securities violation. She was released on $50,000 bail, but paid for by a television company wanting the rights to her story. Wow. She should have upcharged. I would have been like, okay, but I want a hundred. Like, you're gonna have to give me 50, too. She tried unsuccessfully four times to appeal the conviction, and many believe she actually did try to produce the car. So she was like, look, I'm not a scammer. I was just bad at it. It's basically like the Elizabeth Holmes argument right now. She was like, look, I was trying to make the tiny blood thing. I was really gonna give y'all girls the tiniest blood, but...

• 52:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think I just chose my words wrong, saying it was done.

• 52:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, when I said done, I meant like not working at all.

• 53:04Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:04Laci Mosley?

  And, uh...

• 53:06Speaker 04

  I meant completely unfinished.

• 53:08Laci Mosley?

  Like, okay, so when I said it was done, I was talking about the actual tiny thing. Remember I showed y'all the tiny thing? I didn't, now the machine that the tiny thing needs to work.

• 53:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's not done.

• 53:17Laci Mosley?

  That was in progress.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 53:20Laci Mosley?

  Uh, shout out to Elizabeth Holmes, because I'm following that trial. And girl, I would have hopped up and pled guilty before I let them read them text messages. Did you see the text message she was sending to her boo?

• 53:29Speaker 04

  What was she saying?

• 53:30Laci Mosley?

  Her boo was also an investor in the company, and she was sending him texts like, "You are the air that I breathe. You are the ocean that I jump into deep." And then he would be like, okay. Like, that's literally what his response would be. I would say, oh, no, bitch. I would have been like, stop the presses. I would have fought the court reporter. They would have just held me like punching the keyboard.

• 53:50Speaker 04

  No, she, even she deserves better than that.

• 53:53Laci Mosley?

  Liz, girl, you can't, can't go out like that, Lizzie.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  No.

• 53:57Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, I'm guilty. Shut up, everybody. Let's stop the trial.

• 54:01Laci Mosley?

  She said she got to fake a heart attack or something. Don't let them get that out there.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  No.

• 54:04Laci Mosley?

  She got played like that.

• 54:05Speaker 04

  Cut that off.

• 54:07Laci Mosley?

  So Liz and Vivian divorced shortly after the end of the trial, though their son Michael remembers they retained a good relationship and were like sisters. In 1980, she failed to show to court and wasn't seen again for eight years. Love that for her. Liz's time in Texas and after, though not known to authorities, Liz moved to Austin, Texas, where she opened a flower business with her children. Many of the flower sellers she recruited were homeless. Oh, come on, Liz, I'm a saint. In 1989, the unsolved mysteries profile about Liz aired, which led to a tip off and 18 month incarceration in a men's prison. Y'all are so lame for snitching on Liz. She already went to prison. She had a very hard time in prison and now your loser ass is trying to solve some unsolved mysteries. Like you a bitch. Whoever.

• 54:50Speaker 04

  You don't want to be caught doing anything is Texas.

• 54:53Laci Mosley?

  Right, because Texas is a very bad place. Um, I'm from there. I love, I love parts of it.

• 54:59Speaker 04

  I do too. Listen, like, you know, partially made me who I am today and there are things I love about it, but there are things that are macro.

• 55:06Laci Mosley?

  The donuts slap, you know, there's always gonna be a place called Donut. It's always gonna be called Donut. I don't know how they don't have copyright infringement issues with that, but they're all just called Donut or sometimes Donut House.

• 55:18Speaker 04

  Listen, you're not in Texas unless you're at Donut.

• 55:21Laci Mosley?

  Right. And then you go in and they got photos of all the local high school children up because we all go before class and you get your donuts. Them donuts slap. Ain't nobody making donuts like that. What? Sorry.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  They're not the same out here. They're not.

• 55:33Laci Mosley?

  If your donuts come from a branded place, they're not as good as Donut.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  No.

• 55:37Laci Mosley?

  Run by a very specific family. Um, and they all got the same name, but they're not chains.

• 55:43Speaker 04

  No. Which donut are you going to? Yeah.

• 55:46Laci Mosley?

  Right. But they're not chains. And, and, and you know, that's what I have to say positive about Texas.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  That's right. That's the thing. We found the thing.

• 55:55Laci Mosley?

  We found the thing. That's a good thing that they're doing. Uh, but we don't want to be here for hours trying to find another thing that they doing, right? Oh. So after being released, Liz returned to Texas to continue running the flower shop. She passed away from cancer in 2004. A prototype of the Dale. Damn, wasn't she born in like 1927?

• 56:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, something like that because she was already like 40 in the 60s.

• 56:18Laci Mosley?

  God damn. So she, she lived, Liz. She really, she really had lived for a while. I love that for her. Even though I hate that she had to go back to jail because that's so whack like sometimes we just be like alright she served her time like she opened a flower shop she's doing right by her community like why are y'all wasting taxpayer dollars on jail for her y'all suck. So a prototype of the Dale is in permanent collection of the Peterson Automobile Museum in Los Angeles, California. So if y'all want to check out the Dale rub on that phallic car. In 1921, Mark and Jay Duplass, oh, the Duplass Brothers, released a docu-series about Liz's life, a story that has been overlooked and excluded from trans history.

• 56:57Speaker 04

  I've seen some of this documentary, actually. It's very good. I haven't watched the whole thing, but what I've seen is good.

• 57:02Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I gotta watch it because I know that it's out popping. Yeah, I think so. So I gotta watch it because I'm very interested in Liz. Like Liz, mother, you are everything, okay? And Susan Stryker, a trans historian featured in the series, says technically Liz Carmichael was on trial to determine whether or not she had committed fraud in promoting of the Dale, but it's pretty clear that she was on trial as a trans person. When they couldn't decide whether the car was real or not, they started focusing on Liz. If she was a fraud, then the car was a fraud. So they basically tried to say her transness was like a scam, therefore she was running scams. When in actuality, like I think she was like she wasn't building these damn cars. But at the same time, Liz didn't know how to make no damn cars and she didn't have no damn degrees. So she just got it over her head and it was cute.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  You could also say about her, she pointed out that we're way too oil dependent in this country.

• 57:52Laci Mosley?

  Yup. She tried to make the first Tesla.

• 57:55Speaker 04

  She did. She did.

• 57:57Laci Mosley?

  That's probably why they were like and use less gas because it was a damn motorcycle that they had put some car shit in front. They was like, look out, it's gonna use way less gas. And it was just a bicycle with car parts around it.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  It was literally a truck behind a boat. Yeah.

• 58:11Laci Mosley?

  Have you seen, yeah, that's what it was. They said, let's put a boat on top of a bike. Have y'all seen the Flintstones? Yeah, you just get in there and pedal. Yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 04

  Totally. Yup.

• 58:19Laci Mosley?

  You can go however miles per hour your legs can go. So if you Lance Armstrong, you could go 50.

• 58:25Speaker 04

  Right. The reason it won't hit a brick wall is because you're going about one mile per hour.

• 58:29Laci Mosley?

  Right. If you legs, if you Lance legs weak, you know, you gonna go a lot slower.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 58:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're right. That's why it wasn't hitting the brick wall because literally you was you was sitting there with the feet like.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, it couldn't get up to 50. That's why it wasn't hitting the brick wall at 50.

• 58:47Laci Mosley?

  So the trope of trans people using their transes to commit crimes has long been used and a pervasive trope across history. This is absolutely true and one that was used against Liz Carmichael. In reality, Liz was a complicated matriarch with a loving family and immense amount of skill who used it to commit a series of audacious crimes. Yes, Liz, you know what? They scammed you and you scam them back harder and I'm sorry.

• 59:09Speaker 04

  And who did you hurt? Rich idiots?

• 59:12Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. People who need to be hurt. Guys, it's time for scammer of the week. NYPD Police Officer Bourbon Pierre.

• 59:20Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 59:27Laci Mosley?

  Yo parents named you Bourbon Pierre and you became a cop? What's wrong with you?

• 59:31Speaker 04

  Everything else you could have done with that name. You could have ruled a country with that name.

• 59:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. You could have been fancy as fuck. I just see you holding a snifter.

• 59:38Speaker 04

  In Monte Carlo or Monaco or something. You shouldn't be.

• 59:40Laci Mosley?

  Not a baton. What was wrong with you Bourbon? How you take this name out? Fuck up it up. Fuck up it up. I mean that. So Bourbon Pierre is a New York police detective or police officer. He's allegedly responsible for fleecing several women out of thousands of dollars in rent and deposit money for a Queens apartment. Azaya Jeter said that she gave Pierre $2,300 for the first month's rent and a security deposit. He told her that she could move in May 15th, but then kept moving the move in date, saying he was having difficulty getting the current tenant out of the apartment. Wow. Can't move move in dates, bitch. Also, you're not supposed to lease the place until they out of the apartment. Like, I shouldn't be giving you money.

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  That's not an excuse.

• 1:00:23Laci Mosley?

  He's like, oh, they still living there. Okay, and I move in with them? Like, what's wrong with y'all? I'll kill you. So he told her that she could move in May 15th. That didn't work, right? Jeter said, this is Azaya, she said, "It was one excuse after another. He claimed that he'd got the police involved and after a while I said, forget it." Jeter attempted to file a lawsuit in small claims court, but was told because he was a police officer that the case wouldn't see the courtroom until 2023. This is what he's telling her. He's like, girl, I even tried to file a lawsuit and then they was like, okay, because you're a police officer, then like, you know, we hate cops in the justice system. That's what they had said. And then they were like, and it's like, really, bitch? Like, you're a police officer. You could have manhandled

• 1:01:05Laci Mosley?

  the NYPD and let you have a SWAT team to kick out some squatters. Like, we know how y'all be bending the laws for you and your homies.

• 1:01:12Speaker 04

  No kidding. Constantly.

• 1:01:14Laci Mosley?

  Why they would have told you could have gone in there and shot them all and they would have been like

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  Would not have been a problem.

• 1:01:19Laci Mosley?

  Justified, you know, wouldn't have even made the news.

• 1:01:22Speaker 04

  Talk about organized crime, yeah.

• 1:01:24Laci Mosley?

  Right, the most organized crime, the police.

• 1:01:27Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 1:01:29Laci Mosley?

  And we all paying them for protection, like the mob. This is just not lineup, it's the mob. We literally, we, we gave the mob all the power. Literally, they get hundreds of millions of dollars in LA. And now, my friend Devon Field, hilarious comedian, writes for Devon Camo, you should follow him. But he tweeted that he had called the police because his car like either got like hit or broken into or something and he was filing the report. And the police officer was like, hey, so we can't file your report because of the defunding. Yeah, they done defunded us. So, and then it turns out that LA police officers actually got more money this year. They got an increase.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  Right, that's what I was gonna say.

• 1:02:12Laci Mosley?

  And they were already 54% of the LA budget and LA makes a lot of fucking money. California pays every, keeps everybody's lights on in this fucking country. But they were like, oh, because of the defunding. So they're even using the whole defund the police to be like, well, like the mob said, like, if y'all not gonna give us our coins, then I guess y'all cars just gonna get stolen. I don't know what y'all, I want, I want us to kill black people. So we not go, we not go solve crime either, cuz.

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  That is.

• 1:02:41Laci Mosley?

  Those go hand in hand.

• 1:02:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, truly.

• 1:02:45Laci Mosley?

  Yo, the cops are literally the mob, bro.

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  The mob.

• 1:02:48Laci Mosley?

  Man, and they're really outfitted. Out here, I be seeing them driving a goddamn Tesla motorcycle and shit. I like, or no BMW motorcycles. I'm like BMW, you don't need, get these niggas a Kia, Kia motorcycles. You can find criminals just as good on that.

• 1:03:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, why am I, why are we paying for BMWs for people?

• 1:03:06Laci Mosley?

  Child, I do none of them. The ghetto. So he was like, they won't let me cuz I'm a cop. They won't let me go to court. Lies and falsehoods, untruths. So another woman who did file a lawsuit in the Nassau County details a very similar experience. Records show that Pierre, who earned nearly $130,000 in 2020, was transferred from the 7th precinct on the Lower East Side to desk duty at the Bronx Courts. At least eight people have complained about Pierre to NYPD's Internal Affairs Bureau. So it's not like this man still has his job.

• 1:03:40Speaker 04

  Definitely.

• 1:03:41Laci Mosley?

  He was earning a hundred thirty thousand dollars in twenty twenty. And then I love that they treat the police just like they treat like the parish. They're like, oh, okay, he was doing some crimes. Okay, so we're gonna have to move you to another church.

• 1:03:55Speaker 04

  Yup, yeah, just a Catholic priest Vatican situation.

• 1:03:59Laci Mosley?

  We're gonna put you on desk duty. It's like, are we low in police? I feel like you could fire some. It just feels like a job that once you get into it, they're like, no, you can stay like.

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:04:09Laci Mosley?

  I've never heard of jobs just not firing people like even.

• 1:04:11Speaker 04

  So now he's gonna get paid for doing even less work? That's that's like, that's a reward.

• 1:04:17Laci Mosley?

  Right. But you know what, though? For some of them, they like to be out of the street, really like doing the crime because it makes them feel good about themselves. But now that I think about it, you know, some crime organizations, if you fuck up, they might like, you might go from like being a lieutenant to having to be a corner boy again. So maybe being on the desk is like, oh, you're going back to the corner. Now you got cell slang rocks and hand, you know? Yeah, pretty embarrassing and embarrassing. Okay.

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:41Laci Mosley?

  I'm with it. I mean, I don't like this scam because the police are already a scam. How you gonna double dip? This just feels like you're doing a lot like you can't be. You're already robbing the citizens with the government. You don't need to rob them in the in person.

• 1:04:55Speaker 04

  Nope. No, yeah, all your, no, you and by the way, you have chosen this life of crime and bought into it completely, so.

• 1:05:03Laci Mosley?

  And you're making a hundred thirty thousand dollars in New York City. You can live good on a hundred thirty thousand dollars.

• 1:05:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, plus you have a pension for the rest of your life. I mean, you're never gonna not have money coming in. Bullshit.

• 1:05:17Laci Mosley?

  Guys, that brings us to the end of another episode of Scam Guys. Brian, you were fantastic. I knew you would be. I can't wait for people to hear this episode.

• 1:05:25Speaker 04

  Lacey, I love you so, so much. I love your show.

• 1:05:28Laci Mosley?

  I love your shows.

• 1:05:30Speaker 04

  Honestly, we're just. I love all of your shows. I love you on all the shows.

• 1:05:34Laci Mosley?

  Like deeply love you on all the shows. Love watching. I feel like I spent the weekend with you because I just finished you and I was just like. Every time you would come on screen, I was like, Brian.

• 1:05:43Speaker 04

  I love that. I love it.

• 1:05:45Laci Mosley?

  Um, and then, you know, I'm shooting iCarly right now and another little secret that I can't tell you guys about right now, but it's all streaming. Blacklist Sketches streaming on HBO Max and iCarly streaming on Paramount Plus and new episodes should be soon because we're shooting like episode three right now. So we're getting after it. Yeah. I mean, as always, guys, we always ask on the show, where would you like to be found, Brian? Where do you want people to find you?

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  Sure. You can watch you on Netflix, 911 on Fox, listen to Attitudes, go to at Brian Safi or at Attitudes Pod and at Ask Rana is my other podcast. So go to either.

• 1:06:16Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And they're so good. I've done Ask Rana.

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  Lacey's been on both.

• 1:06:19Laci Mosley?

  I've done Attitudes. They were both so, so, so, so, so fun. Oh, you're so funny and so good. I love you. Guys, as always, [email protected]. If you want to snitch on your friends and family, just make sure your scam is retired because we don't want a what? Yes, fuck up, yo bag. Look at me with the auctioneer voice. No, you're not at 1.5 speed. I'm just talking really fast. Guys, if you want to follow me and my mess, D I V A L A C I D, Lacey on all platforms. Congregation, I love you guys so much. Thank you for telling people to subscribe. Thank you for telling people to like the episodes. Guys, please continue to like, subscribe, tell your friends, get out there and give the good word. I want us all out here on the streets with white t-shirts and black ties like Scientology. Tell the people about the good scam. Have you heard about the good scam today? We're

• 1:07:02Laci Mosley?

  nominated for an iHeart Radio Award, guys, in crime category. Again, a scam. This is a comedy podcast, but we'll take it. Also, we've been number three on Apple Podcasts, number 30 overall. So, guys, I love you guys so much. Thank you so much. In congregation, stay scheming.

• 1:07:23Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Faez, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay scheming.

• 1:07:39Speaker 06

  This has been a Team Coco production in association with Earwolf.

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