Fraud Friday: See Ya Money Disappear as a F.A.P (Fine Art Partners) w/ Chelsea Devantez

In this week's Fraud Friday, Laci is joined by Chelsea Devantez (The Problem with Jon Stewart) to discuss Inigo Philbrick, a young art dealer who took the fine arts world by storm with a few Ponzi schemes. Plus, an LA rapper who rapped about committing fraud has plead guilty! Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 09/12/2022) CONgregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom signed Scam Goddess: Lessons from a Life of Cons, Grifts and Schemes book? Look no more, nab your copy here on PODSWAG Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Chelsea Devantez: @chelseadevantez Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/inigo-philbrick-intelligence-report-2020-1800972 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10819073/Made-Chelsea-star-led-lavish-life-Inigo-Philbrick-faces-years-jail.html https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/may/25/inigo-philbrick-jailed-art-fraud https://www.tatler.com/article/inigo-philbrick-art-dealer-arrested-vanuatu-south-pacific-art-fraud https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-06/rapper-accused-of-fraud-agrees-to-plead-guilty-but-will-nuke-bizzles-career-fizzle

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• 1:33Speaker 01

  This is the moment, baby! This is the moment we separate the dogs from the boys. And if you ask me, I only got one question: Do you got that dog in you? Because it's never about the winners or the losers, but it is about the difference between those brave enough to put some action on the game, and those who just want to watch from the sidelines eating off-brand pizza rolls. So sit down, lock in those pics, and trust that dog in you, underdog. At least your dog.

• 2:01Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:43Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. No, you're not listening at 2.5 speed. I'm just speaking really quickly. You know, I like to switch it up on girls. This is the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. But someone I definitely love is in the building today. I'm very what? Yes, yes, you know, you already know, excited, elated. I was gonna say stimulated, but that feels like not the right word. But maybe, she is very hot. Guys, today, we have an Emmy nominated writer, comedian, director, and actor on the show. Recently, she was the head writer on The Problem with Jon Stewart, and she hosts the podcast Celebrity Book Club, which I've been on, y'all, I've never cried on a podcast before.

• 3:28Laci Mosley?

  If you've never listened to Celebrity Book Club, get into it, it's so good. Celebrity Book Club with Chelsea Devantez. Follow her Instagram, @chelseadevontes. Congregation, please, welcome, ooh, yes, Chelsea Devantez to the show. Hi, Chelsea.

• 3:42Speaker 03

  Hello, and I have to say, I need to add to my bio, the only person to ever make Lacey cry on a podcast. I feel like that is such an honor.

• 3:52Laci Mosley?

  I was truly shocked. I was like, are we getting bunnery, bunnery?

• 3:55Speaker 03

  It is better than being Emmy nominated to have had that moment with you.

• 4:01Laci Mosley?

  Please, please, that, I mean, that's, congratulations on that. Getting, getting those nods and, I mean, you're a force, so it's

• 4:08Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no.

• 4:09Laci Mosley?

  Only more.

• 4:10Speaker 03

  You're the force and to, to have held your tear in my podcast hand. That's the true award.

• 4:17Laci Mosley?

  The power. Oh, my goodness. But, okay, so Chelsea, I have to ask you, what is your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you love them? Do you hate them? It could be anything.

• 4:28Speaker 03

  I have.

• 4:29Laci Mosley?

  You could talk about?

• 4:30Speaker 03

  So much to say on this that I'm worried it's too much. So I just want, I want to give you three options. Okay. I, okay, I have a bigger worldview on it. I have a celebrity book club scam tie-in on it. And then I have the current scams that are currently happening in my life.

• 4:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh, shit. Okay. Can I do two?

• 4:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:48Laci Mosley?

  The book club tie-in and the current scams that are happening?

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:51Laci Mosley?

  Those are, yes.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  Okay, okay. So, okay, the book club tie-in is that, you know, we recap these books and, and some of them, like scams come up, but the best one that came up, and it was actually pretty recent, is Molly Shannon's book has a chapter in it called "The Mamet Scam." Have you heard this story yet?

• 5:08Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  It is so good. You're gonna love it because also you know LA so well. So Molly Shannon, um, she, she had just like, she's incredible and she's such a light, but she didn't have any, she didn't know anybody in the business. She didn't have any resources, resources or connections. So she's out in LA, she's hustling, she's like working as a waitress and she doesn't know how to like get an agent or get auditions. So she and her friend decide, David Mamet is like really respected at the time and he's never in LA. So she calls for him and he calls for her and they start calling up, um, like casting offices and agents and they're basically like, David Mamet has an actor who he's obsessed with. Uh, her name is Molly Shannon and David Mamet would love if you would see Molly Shannon today for your show. And they'd be like, oh my God, David. They're like, yeah, so she's in like a ton of his plays.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  It means a lot to him. And she would get all her auditions. She booked jobs off of it. She was caught once where someone sat her down. They're like, I only said yes to see what a liar looked like because I know David Mamet and I know you don't know him. She then pretends that her friend who called was like her boyfriend who was scamming her like, "Oh, I had no idea. My boyfriend said he knew David Mamet." And the agent's like, "Get out of my face." And I was like, "Well, that's the end of that scam." And then Molly's like, "And then we kept doing it."

• 6:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh my God, no stop, no show?

• 6:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, and she writes in the book, like, "Maybe if more women, like, ran more scams, we could have, like, more talented people in Hollywood because they had to, like, break in via the Mamet scam."

• 6:37Laci Mosley?

  Literally break in, like, via a window and a rock.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 6:40Laci Mosley?

  A brick, okay?

• 6:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:41Laci Mosley?

  A brick can be a key.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Uh huh, that's right.

• 6:44Laci Mosley?

  That's all I'm saying. We got keys to doors, we got keys to windows, you know? My foot could be a key.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  It doesn't matter how the knob is turned, whether it's with your hand in a key or whether you're reaching through the broken glass and opening it on the other side.

• 7:00Laci Mosley?

  It's still not open?

• 7:01Speaker 03

  It's still open.

• 7:03Laci Mosley?

  They said glass ceiling, it's glass for a reason, we gotta shatter it, right? Which means we have to break in.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  Glass ceilings, glass windows, glass panes, uh, yeah.

• 7:13Laci Mosley?

  Yep, all glass. I'm into it. I love this so much and I love that it tied into, I now have to go listen to that episode. Um, and I guess I didn't thoroughly explain, so the girls know, but Celebrity Book Club is Chelsea Devantez's podcast where, this is the biggest scam about that damn podcast. She is the only person in the fucking world who can make me read a book for a podcast. Like, a whole book. Like, a cover to cover, like, a actual textual book. And then you go and you talk about it and it's such an amazing experience. You can, like, read along. And she be doing the messy books too, like that Jamie Lynn Spears tea.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, love a messy book.

• 7:49Laci Mosley?

  Love it.

• 7:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, um, that is a real scam. Wanna be on my podcast? Yeah, girl. Okay, read this book. Um, so, yeah. But David Mamet scam was a real winner and I gotta tell you, on the, I don't know, I can't, this happens a lot on the podcast, but my guest on the Molly Shannon episode also cried. So.

• 8:08Laci Mosley?

  You have a power. We laughed a lot, but we also get to the heart.

• 8:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm I cry. Um, okay, so the scam in my current life. Yeah.

• 8:17Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Okay, so what's that?

• 8:18Speaker 03

  As you know, I'm planning a wedding um with Yasser and I'm getting scammed every second of my life. Everybody knows this.

• 8:28Laci Mosley?

  You put wedding on something, the robbery is happening.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  God, it is. And you know, everyone, we all know weddings are a scam, but I made the decision, we made the decision like, yep, I'm gonna throw my money away on a day that is valuable to me. I want to do it, right? So I'm in. I am ready to spend money on something stupid and weddings are stupid. Love it. Very excited to have one, but it's very stupid. I'm ready to put my money in and I'm still getting scammed in ways that like I can't comprehend. Like I was like, I was okay to do something stupid with my money, but this is ridiculous. Like, obviously, all wedding dresses are fucking scams. I had a woman at a boutique tell me that if your wedding dress is less than four grand, it is basically fast fashion in the wedding world.

• 9:10Laci Mosley?

  And you know that, okay, so did you ever watch Say Yes to the Dress?

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, every second of every episode.

• 9:16Laci Mosley?

  Hater television show that was like Four Weddings and we hating on yours.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Four Weddings is the best television show to ever hit this earth, Lacey. You take the venom out of your mouth. It is a gift to us. Four Weddings needs to come back.

• 9:29Laci Mosley?

  Biggest reality TV show haters. Let's buy, are you a hater? Do you live near Sacramento? Would you like to be on Four Weddings?

• 9:36Speaker 03

  Would you like to shit on someone else's wedding that you barely know forever on TLC?

• 9:41Laci Mosley?

  Know that. You don't know the stranger who's a hater at your wedding?

• 9:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you're gonna vote on their wedding. They're gonna get those numbers. You want to do that to somebody's wedding? Come on.

• 9:53Laci Mosley?

  But I think a part of TLC is like the scam there with the wedding industry is that, one, it was obviously free advertiser for all of these types of wedding dresses. And as women are watching, you know, they're thinking like, these are the high end brands. I'm seeing them on TV. But also like when they would have their price points on like Say Yes to the Dress, if you was coming in and your price point was less than two thousand, if it was twenty five hundred, they'd be like, oh, she's a poor.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, there'll be no dresses free. And and here's the thing like I I everyone's like, oh, but it's a wedding dress. It's like my mom was a seamstress for so many years. I came up in the drag scene for a little bit like you. Tool is two cents. It's two cents.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  You guys are.

• 10:31Laci Mosley?

  OK, but did Vera Wang put her label on that tool? I think not, Chelsea.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  I guess, I guess.

• 10:37Laci Mosley?

  So. The last thing I wanted to say about that is just that my friend just, uh, well, she got married last year. But one of the things that she taught me about wedding dresses and stuff is like, if you go find a white dress that you like, and it's not in a bridal section or wedding, it's gonna be way, way, way more affordable than if you go to the section where they're like, oh, this your one special day to your one special person? Oh, we gonna give you one special price, bitch. And it's a lot.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 11:01Laci Mosley?

  Continue.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  No, but that's it's like an emotional scam that they run on women where they're like, where they've sort of tied it to like, does your partner mean something to you? Do you think this day is important? Have you cried while looking at yourself, looking hot in the color white? Like, then you.

• 11:18Laci Mosley?

  Everyone's gonna be looking at.

• 11:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, this is the most important day. I think you should give us $10,000 for a piece of cotton. I mean, so anyways, I've been looking to scam the wedding industry back. I've I've I've decided I'm wearing multiple, multiple dresses and all of them are gonna be deals. And I'm I'm halfway through. I'm half in and I've gotten.

• 11:38Laci Mosley?

  You tried on a lot of dresses. I've been watching your IG story. They all look fire, too.

• 11:41Speaker 03

  OK, thank you, thank you. But I mean, like, I'm going in like, I know, I not only want the perfect dress, I want, I want when like, I want someone to be like, how much should you pay for that? Like, it's a TJ Maxx commercial, you know? And I whisper the price and they pass out. They're like, oh, my God, like, that's what I want from my wedding dress.

• 11:55Laci Mosley?

  They faint immediately. Why are there all these fainting couches? Oh, that's for when I tell them the price.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  The price of this perfect dress. Yes, exactly, exactly. So anyways, yeah, it's it's a scam. I'm living in the scam and I had a. I went to a bartending company and I was like, how much for an open bar? Obviously, I, as a wedding guest, I can't come if there's not an open bar. Do you know what I mean?

• 12:18Laci Mosley?

  That's a part of the contractual obligation of a wedding. I gotta buy you a gift, especially if my ass gotta travel somewhere. Oh bitch, like I gotta have an outfit that's appropriate, but also says that I care enough to dress nicely. No, you better give me some free booze and it better be unlimited.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Hundred percent. I mean weddings are a burden. When I invite you, I have burdened you with my wedding. Like you should get something. By the way, I refused to have a registry. Also another scam. If you have the money to have a wedding and also decided to have a registry, you're like a bad person. Like you need to put together.

• 12:51Laci Mosley?

  Sis, I went to a wedding, I can't be too specific because then, but you actually would know, I'll tell you later. But um, I went to a wedding where there was a registry and then you bought it online, but the registry opened like way before the actual wedding was. So they were getting the gifts from the registry as soon as they sent out the invitations. So they was already opening the shit and using it. Like I, I sent them like a very nice massager that was on there. And they was like, oh yeah bitch, we already bust that open.

• 13:18Laci Mosley?

  The wedding is months away.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  I just think, I just think it is of a, of a moment in the past when you were starting your life and you had nothing and the community came together to give you something. And now it's like, there is so much pain and suffering in the world. If you were gonna be selfish enough like me, to be a dumb bitch like me and have a wedding, you cannot also be taking people's registry money when it could be going to GoFundMes. Like you just can't.

• 13:45Laci Mosley?

  I think that line is good for you because you popping and, and you and me, and y'all are both popping and y'all, y'all know that y'all don't really need everybody's gifts. But I see this as a great grift for other people who do. You put all that money out into the wedding, why shouldn't you get a Chinet set? You know, why not?

• 14:02Speaker 03

  Because, I mean like, how many weddings?

• 14:05Laci Mosley?

  You're like, people are dying.

• 14:07Speaker 03

  But I mean, like I do, I, you know, I think also like I have a lot of guilt about doing this. You know what I mean? I'm like, I'm both, I'm both holding the weight of like, trying to celebrate this moment in life and this love in life. And also the moment of just like being like, did, am I looking at a stencil of my dog for the lattes? Like what's wrong with me? You know? And so I, I think I have a lot of guilt, but how many weddings have you been to in your life? Where you thought like, like that was top to bottom, a wonderful day for me?

• 14:36Laci Mosley?

  So here's the thing, I used to cater waiters. So I've been to strangers weddings, uh, not on TLC where I could hate on them.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:45Laci Mosley?

  On television.

• 14:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:46Laci Mosley?

  But just as, you know, bartending or whatever. And the ones that didn't have an open bar, I would pour real heavy because I felt sad for them.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  Oh, good for you.

• 14:52Laci Mosley?

  Like, get these people drunk. But the ones that I've gone to are people that I know. I will say that some.

• 15:00Laci Mosley?

  One was a fun ass time from start to finish because they're both like, one's a writer, one's a comedian, and they, they really like made it a fun chill experience. Demanded that we wear sneakers.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:11Laci Mosley?

  That was fun, you know, but beautiful wedding, money, money, like heard one of, uh, one of the dads like came down and like dropped like a stack of like thousand ones on everybody's table. And there was like these dancers and like then we was throwing the money. It was, it was the most fun wedding, I think, that I've been to thus far. But then I've also been to other ones where it was so fucking draining. I was like, bitch, like, where's the plane? I got to get out of here.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:36Laci Mosley?

  Too many events.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  I mean, I, I.

• 15:39Laci Mosley?

  Too much.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  I love wedding. I will say, I know, I'm, I'm know I'm being a hater. I do secretly love weddings. However, when I, most of my life, when I was broke, they, they were such a burden. They were such a burden. And so I just can't, I, I, I think I'm, maybe I'm just operating from a place of guilt. But anyways, I go to get this open bar quote. And this bartender's like, twenty thousand dollars. And I was like, oh my god, no. Like.

• 16:05Laci Mosley?

  Bitch, for twenty thousand dollars, I better have one drink and be on the Astro plane.

• 16:09Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 16:09Laci Mosley?

  Bitch, I better go to Mars.

• 16:10Speaker 03

  I was like, what are we doing? What are you talking, you know, we're in LA though. So, but, but even still, I was like, I immediately was like, no, thank you. They wrote me back. They said, okay, ten. And I am.

• 16:22Laci Mosley?

  What?

• 16:24Speaker 03

  I was.

• 16:25Laci Mosley?

  Okay, half off, half, uh, okay, what about fifteen hundred? What you got? What you have?

• 16:29Speaker 03

  So I was like, oh my god, because I'm a bit of a, I'm, I'm a bit of a pushover. I don't like to push back. I don't like to negotiate and stuff like that. So it's like, I cannot believe I had to be like, fuck you, to get a still crazy price, but that that price was always possible. And you're teaching me that every time someone offers me something, I go, no. You know what I mean?

• 16:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 16:52Speaker 03

  Like, I can't believe you priced it that way. I can't believe you did that.

• 16:57Laci Mosley?

  Because a lot of people will just pay it. They're like, look, we gotta get these stuff while we can. Because for a lot of people, this is their one big day. Like, you were just at the Emmys. Like, you you're gonna have so many moments where you wear beautiful dresses and and the the attention and spotlight's on you. But for a lot of people, like, this is their one moment, and they know that. So they're gonna take advantage of that desperation for everything to be perfect. Low-key, I feel like sometimes while you're planning your wedding, you gotta be like, I'm just having a little porty or whatever. It's a little birthday of love party.

• 17:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:23Laci Mosley?

  See what them prices looking like then.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  And it's so much better. And also, like, I wanna pay vendors. I wanna pay small companies. And then they do that to you, and you're like, sir. Okay, okay, now I'm the crazy lady on Four Weddings being like, everybody, get out.

• 17:39Laci Mosley?

  This is a scam. It's all a lie.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  It's all a lie.

• 17:42Laci Mosley?

  This is that woman.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  And they're like, I'm sorry.

• 17:43Laci Mosley?

  She's here for the TV show.

• 17:44Speaker 03

  Isn't she supposed to be like, isn't the best day of her life? I'm like, fuck you.

• 17:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and that's the thing. They sell it as like, the best day of your life or the most memorable. And like, if everyone's not snorting and throwing up when you walk down the aisle, like, did you even turn it? Like, were you even a bride? But weddings definitely up there in the scam. This is like, guys. Um, guys, as much as you can lie to people, when you do a stuff for your wedding and just tell them it's a birthday party, tell them it's your granny eightieth, like, whatever, it'll change the price. Because once you say special day, oh, honey.

• 18:19Laci Mosley?

  They got that price for you, eh?

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Cut in the third.

• 18:22Laci Mosley?

  Right, this is my first marriage. I don't really even love them that much. We don't need to do.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  So we don't need to. This is a, this is a Valentine's Day party in white.

• 18:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Um, yeah.

• 18:31Laci Mosley?

  That's all, Valentine's Day. Man, it's March. Yeah, but it's, you know, we a little late, but you get it. Scam.

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• 20:45Laci Mosley?

  And now it's time for What's Hot and Fry. This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams and the zeitgeist, but more often than not, you know, guys, we're just gonna get a letter from you guys. I wanna hear what y'all are up to. Snitch on your friends and your family and your enemies at [email protected]. Just make sure the scam is retired so we don't what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Love our parasocial relationship. It's so nice. So I need a fake name, Chelsea, for this person. We don't care about gender.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  Gigi.

• 21:10Laci Mosley?

  Gigi, I like Gigi. I like that. I don't know if I even know any Gigi's. I wish I knew some Gigi's. I feel like they're always hot.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  My Gigi's my favorite. I just, what a hero. Hero and a goddess.

• 21:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So Gigi says, skipping all the pleasantries, babe, because I know you won't read them. Oh, you be listening. Oh, and I love you bringing the parasocial to spec me, babe. I love when people do that and they're like, bestie, like, y'all are crazy. Love it. So. Anywho, I'm super excited to be telling you about how I almost got scammed.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  Ooh, okay.

• 21:44Laci Mosley?

  Almost. I love the almost in this.

• 21:46Speaker 03

  Happy ending at the top.

• 21:47Laci Mosley?

  Yes, we love to hear it. So boom. Okay, Gigi's black. Anytime you start something with, okay, so boom. We, we know the community. Okay, so boom. I've been looking for an apartment slash house to rent because I need to move closer to my job. I see a listing for a cute little house with two beds and two baths for twelve fifty a month. And I'm like, oh, hell, yeah. By the way, I'm in North Carolina. I was about to say cause twelve fifty a month, child. I'd be living in a shoebox. It wouldn't even be a good shoebox either. It'd be from like Payless.

• 22:17Speaker 03

  You'd be sharing that shoebox with a man who's like, and you give me blowjobs once a month.

• 22:23Laci Mosley?

  And I pay no rent or shoebox utilities. Yes. No, we can't be doing that. So I reached out to the private owner for an application, but not even twenty-four hours later, the listing disappeared. I chopped it up to someone beating me to it. Then I received the following email and Gigi is with the shit. She sends us the email. Damn, Gigi, you ain't even blocked the person's name. I'm about to email him. See if I can scare him back. So the email of, okay, so home for rent. And then the person's name is just Evangelist and then their email.

• 22:59Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 23:00Laci Mosley?

  I'm already like, hmm.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  That feels like a category, like a genre of a person, not a name, you know, if that's your religion.

• 23:07Laci Mosley?

  Singer. That's, that's how I start all my.

• 23:10Speaker 03

  Avid reader.

• 23:11Laci Mosley?

  Right. What is your name? Avid reader is great. Voracious reader. That's when you're telling people you're really smart. Come on now. So it says, Hello, how are you doing? Question mark. Thanks for your email. I have decided to rent the house because we are going to spend more time here in Pennsylvania in all caps in parentheses. My family and I will be here for about three to four years due to the nature of my job. Let me start by introducing myself. I am Evangelist Steven.

• 23:42Laci Mosley?

  Um.

• 23:43Speaker 03

  Um, okay.

• 23:45Laci Mosley?

  Are you an evangelist or is your name Evangelist?

• 23:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:49Laci Mosley?

  Are you House of Evangelies?

• 23:50Speaker 03

  It's like, it's like I'm Catholic Chelsea.

• 23:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like is your first name Catholic? I'm Baptist mostly. What, what is your name?

• 23:59Speaker 03

  I'm Mormon Steve. Okay.

• 24:01Laci Mosley?

  Now Mormon Steve sounds legit.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Mormon Steve, that'd be real. Yeah.

• 24:06Laci Mosley?

  Evangelist Steven, I don't know what's going on here. So it says, I am Evangelist Steven. I must confess that I'm very new to this landlord business. However, the initial plan was to sell the house in case you see a Realtor sign outside of the property or any advertisement online. In case you decide to do some research and things look suspicious, it, we actually want, have wanted them to look suspicious.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  And we just kinda left the sign up. I kinda can't remember because we're in Pennsylvania.

• 24:36Laci Mosley?

  Pennsylvania.

• 24:37Speaker 03

  All caps.

• 24:38Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So you really know where we at. So they're already trying to throw you off the scent of like, if you see other people going into the house and they got keys and, and a family, don't worry about that. Don't, don't worry about that. Okay? The house is empty and I definitely own it. Okay. So if you see anything online that says it's for sale, you don't have to contact them because I initially wanted to sell the property due to my

• 25:05Laci Mosley?

  family advice, then decided to rent it out myself and also canceled all the arrangements with my previous agent because they were unfaithful with my property. What does that mean?

• 25:15Speaker 03

  Unfaithful? Are they fucking that house?

• 25:17Laci Mosley?

  Right. They fucked other houses? Like, I don't understand. You saw them banging a mailbox next door?

• 25:22Speaker 03

  He fucked another house.

• 25:24Laci Mosley?

  I saw him was digging a mailbox next door and then we, we had to get rid of them. What does that mean? Also, how dumb do you think people are? You like, if you see some advertisements and stuff online, uh, don't call them ass about nothing.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Explicitly don't contact them. He should've just said like, hey, if you see that, here's why. But it's like, I don't say that at all. Say that when you write back, hey, I saw the house was for sale. You write back like, oh yeah, I put it up for sale. Okay. Unfaithful though. Unfaithful with his listing.

• 25:54Laci Mosley?

  You're like, don't hit up them Realtors because they, they be fucking on everybody's house. Okay? So don't even trust them, whatever they say. Okay? They're, they're bad. So they were unfateful with the property. So we don't deal with them anymore and decided to rent it out ourselves. But it would be better to rent it out to a neat and responsible tenant, who will take very good care of the house in our absence. Presently, my house is still available for rent. Rent already includes utilities. They put in parentheses this time it's not in caps. Oh, Lord, this is though. It says, I am in all caps, a philanthropist. And due to my, all caps again, philanthropic heart, I decided to put my house so low with the price, because I believe everyone deserves a place to call home.

• 26:38Laci Mosley?

  In parentheses again, both the rich and the pores, like you. I added that. We wanted to be clean.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  Did he say pores plural, though?

• 26:46Laci Mosley?

  No, he said pore.

• 26:48Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 26:49Laci Mosley?

  I like to make things plural that aren't. It's it's a cultural thing. So we wanted to be clean and tidy at all times. Pets are allowed as long as they are not destructive. The home is ready to move in ASAP. ASAP is not in all caps, though. Feel free to text, and there's a number, or email me for any further inquiries. And then it says, you know, information about the house and da, da, da, da. They also sent a rental questionnaire. So the rental questionnaire says, if you're interested in renting the home, uh, then answer the questions below. Name, first, middle, surname, phone numbers, marital status, how many proposed occupants, list all the additional people, including yourself. But like the survey, I don't know if you can see this and I'll, I'll, if I remember, I'll post it to the Instagram. And he wrote this himself, clearly, like, what are these blanks?

• 27:33Laci Mosley?

  Like, you just use the underscore and just like in space? Like, bro, what is, what's happening? Like, you wrote this yourself, clearly, this is not a, you could have Googled and got a rental form.

• 27:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, yeah, they have just like those generic ones. Also, i- it's, it's like he's doing seven scams for one measly scam. Like, all you had to do is keep the listing up and send that form. Be like, great, you're interested, fill this out. And people would.

• 28:00Laci Mosley?

  Yep, and you could have got an application fee, which is a lot of what these motherfuckers are doing is like, raking up application fees and never actually renting the property out and then making a bag. So I have to keep reading this clearly homemade, um, rental question, which, sweetie, Etsy, you could have, like, went and printed it off. It would have looked way more legit. Not Etsy, but um Tumblr, you know.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  But you know what, Etsy, I believe it. Like, somebody knit a questionnaire on Etsy that would have been better than this one.

• 28:26Laci Mosley?

  Truly, truly. And it probably came with some crystals or some shit. Like, you play on yourself. So I have to keep reading this because it says present address, and then will you have pets? Please describe the breed and size. Okay, normal questions. Then, personality of pet.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  No.

• 28:43Laci Mosley?

  What am I supposed to say to my pet? I got bad vibes?

• 28:46Speaker 03

  Um, you know, he's an introvert with a strong penchant for treats.

• 28:54Speaker 03

  Extrovert for treats. Um, you know, he's going through a hard time right now, but.

• 28:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, a little depressed, but a cool, a cool pet nonetheless. Like, what, what am I supposed to say to that? Like, cool? They, no, they're fun as fuck. The tightest pet you've ever met.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  He's a bro. My dog's a bro.

• 29:10Laci Mosley?

  My dog loves the party. I won't lie. A little too hard sometimes.

• 29:14Speaker 03

  Is gonna get down on your house.

• 29:18Laci Mosley?

  Preferred move-in dates, intended length of lease. Do you agree to pay the payment before you move in? That one slipped right in the middle. Do you agree to pay the payment before you move in?

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Doesn't even say deposit. My goodness.

• 29:30Laci Mosley?

  Deposit? What is the payment? That's so vague. What's the payment? What is that?

• 29:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:36Laci Mosley?

  Can you come up with the down payment today to secure the house and for us to take it off the market? And mail the keys and paperwork to you. So I'm not gonna see the house. You're gonna mail me the keys from Pennsylvania. And I have to send you the money sight unseen. Also, what do you mean down payment, sweetie? I thought I was renting.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, this person's mixing up their sales scam and their rental scam. This is a copy paste mess. They have copy pasted the word philanthropy from one doc, the word ASAP from another.

• 30:09Laci Mosley?

  They got philanthropic, they got philanthropy looking like how I say unique now, like, unique? They're like.

• 30:17Laci Mosley?

  Like, just shouting it at people, like, what, what, why?

• 30:19Speaker 03

  Philanthropic!

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  That's a work as well.

• 30:22Speaker 03

  My name is philanthropic Chelsea. Okay, yes.

• 30:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I love that for you. That's how you let people know how you coming. You coming from altruism.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  That's right. Everything I do is a gift for you.

• 30:32Laci Mosley?

  For you. Middle name evangelist. What's up? Okay? I mean, I love God, you know, which means I would never rob you, you know? So can you come up with a down payment if I can shoot the paperwork? Then it says length of previous tendency, present occupation. Are you section eight? Do you work late night? Why are those one, one line questioning?

• 30:53Speaker 03

  My goodness.

• 30:53Laci Mosley?

  Are you section eight and do you work late night? Why? Why do you even need to know when I work? And also, why they go together?

• 31:01Speaker 03

  And why you're showing that house during the daytime if I do work at night like?

• 31:05Laci Mosley?

  Right. Right. They can always make sure that you can, we actually only show the house at 2 a.m. So if you can't come at two, then you can't have it. And this is, do you smoke? Do you drink? I've never seen a rental application ask if people drink.

• 31:18Speaker 03

  No, this is a doctor's form that they got mixed into this.

• 31:22Laci Mosley?

  Right. Now, now it's like, what was your last period? What, what kind of form is this?

• 31:28Speaker 03

  Are you pregnant from my realtor who been fucking around on this house?

• 31:33Laci Mosley?

  Have you fucked my previous realtor?

• 31:35Speaker 03

  Have you fucked my realtor?

• 31:38Laci Mosley?

  Cause a lot of people have. Okay? So then at the end, it's like I certify that these things are true to my knowledge and I authorize the investigation of all statements. So now they've like copied paste some legal jargon from somewhere else.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  If you're in side effects of a stomach and hair loss, Zoloft cannot account for you.

• 31:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. This is now talking, what is happening? So we're back to Gigi. Gigi says, I knew I might have been getting got when I realized he was giving way more details than I really needed. Definitely the first flag. It says, I was also taken aback when he asked me to pay the 1250 before I even got a chance to see the place. Also, this survey, the survey would have told me robbery right off top. And then it says, I was curious, why were you, now you just like scams, Gigi, because at this point you know that this ain't it. So it says, I was curious. So I put the address in on Zillow and it popped up for sale. Well, evangelist told you that was gonna happen.

• 32:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, yes, he's been picking houses for sale and pretending he's renting them. This is clear.

• 32:36Laci Mosley?

  He told you that up top. He's like, I'm a liar from Pennsylvania, maybe, and a philanthropist, probably. Uh, I put in an inquiry and was met by several calls, texts, and emails lol. There were several realtors who were quick to tell me the house was already under contract to be sold. But they would happily find me a different one, because yeah, the real estate girlies are out here trying to get a check. So they're like, wait, wait, wait. I contacted Redfin once and now they will not leave me alone. I have a Realtor who killed, is still contacting me because I am gonna have to buy a place. But he be sending me videos, sis. Like, he sent me a video with his front-facing camera one time and was like, hey, Lacey, it's your Realtor, so it's just checking.

• 33:12Speaker 03

  Your Realtor? Girl. Oh, no. Oh, no. They, they are.

• 33:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, was he cute?

• 33:21Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 33:22Speaker 03

  Okay, then you can't. You can't. You gotta know what you can get away with that. But tall doesn't show up on video. Do you know what I mean?

• 33:28Laci Mosley?

  He made it work. He started the angle lower so that.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's next to a tree or something.

• 33:35Laci Mosley?

  Still, yeah, still next to several light fixtures, just so you know, like, give you some.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  Listen, I gotta tell you, in the middle of a pandemic, I lost my mind, started looking at farms in Minnesota. Found, found a farm that was like, you know, I said, yeah, I could live here, right? I sent a little inquiry. That Realtor, I'm on their list to this day. Oh, my God, they called me ten times a day, every day, being like, you can do it, you can buy this farm. And I was like, maybe I can. Maybe I can buy this farm. I, I blocked, I had to block a Realtor from Minnesota, because I was like, ma'am, I'm, I am sorry I lost my mind that night. But you have to stop calling me. I can't own this farm.

• 34:18Laci Mosley?

  Well, you better get a hoe and figure it out, because you about to be old McDonald, okay? You buying this damn farm.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  Oh, you're buying the farm, bitch.

• 34:26Laci Mosley?

  On the dotted line.

• 34:31Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I, I, I love the, the persistence, the thirst, you know?

• 34:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess, I guess it works. It works on clients, so they keep doing it.

• 34:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, if you're thirsty, maybe realty could be your thing. Channel that thirst into, into a coin, okay? If you love like unrelenting contact with other people who clearly don't want to speak to you, realty, you know? That could be your game.

• 34:51Speaker 03

  In cells, are you out there? You are real estate in the making. You are millionaires yet to have found your correct fashion.

• 34:58Laci Mosley?

  Get on 4chan and start slinging these houses.

• 35:01Speaker 03

  And get on Zillow. You're leaving money on the table.

• 35:06Laci Mosley?

  This is our new motivation. Guys, sign up for the, for the motivational TED Talk. We got you. Careers for whatever your flaws are. So, there were several realtors, they hit him up, hit him up, you know, hit her up. Uh, she said, "I was truly upset because I'm a single mom and I cannot afford to be scammed like this. To end on a high note, I did end up getting in contact with a rental property agent who was more than happy, I'm sure they were, to assist in finding me a new home. Love the show. Thank you so much, Gigi. I'm glad you didn't get scammed. I love that she went down the rabbit hole because you already knew this shit was foul, but you were like, ah, I'm so curious."

• 35:37Speaker 03

  I'll do it. Listen, Gigi, I have a full-time job and many side jobs and I will get on Zillow right now, North Carolina, and find you a rental home on my own accord. Do not give that person any money. I will be Googling for you all the time. I'm afraid, I'm afraid the rental agent's gonna, gonna take Gigi's money.

• 35:55Laci Mosley?

  Well, see, the rental agent was just trying to get her commission. So she did her thing and then she moved on and Gigi and now her family are in a home. So I'm happy for y'all. I'm happy that it ended on a positive note. I'm glad that you didn't talk to evangelist the...

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Evangelist Steven?

• 36:10Laci Mosley?

  The philanthropist evangelist Steven.

• 36:14Speaker 03

  Philanthropist evangelist Steven.

• 36:18Laci Mosley?

  Cause, and I get, it's funny though in the scam because they're, they're explaining away every reason that you have to be suspicious up top. And anytime anybody does that, immediate suspicion should happen. They're like, don't Google it, don't call about it. You're never gonna meet me. Uh, the price is so low because I'm super nice.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  Cause I'm into philanthropy. It's just like when, um, I'm gonna say dudes, but it could be anybody and if, any gender, when they, when like they're caught in something and they say, um, well, I can't, I can't, like if you're, you're just gonna believe what you're gonna believe. Like if you're not gonna believe me, then you're not gonna believe me. It's like, okay, well, this is just... That's how you know, like, okay, you fucked up. Because an innocent person would go, here's why you should believe me. And a guilty person goes,

• 37:03Laci Mosley?

  You already made up your mind.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  Anything people tell you?

• 37:06Laci Mosley?

  You just, you, you weren't acting like this before you had this information. And now all of a sudden, because you got information, you want to act differently like that's just really weird to me.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  Is the trust thing for me?

• 37:16Laci Mosley?

  They somehow make it about you. And I mean, honestly, anytime that happens in any type of relationship, run, because that person is toxic. If people can't take responsibility for their actions, if, if they want to gaslight you immediately when you bring something up or, or act like you're the problem because they have a problem with, you have a problem with what they did, like, get the fuck away from them.

• 37:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Also, like, at least take 10 minutes to start gaslighting me. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like, come with some good game. Like, 10 minutes in, you start your tricks. But moment one, like, now we're not, what are we doing here?

• 37:45Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  You're not even a try?

• 37:47Laci Mosley?

  When I confront you, run out of the room, take a long walk, come up with some lies, come up with some good, solid lies, and then come back and pitch me those lies. Like, don't insult me by not even giving me no lies. Like, you really just don't be like-

• 38:00Speaker 03

  No, no narrative, no fake, just nothing? You're offering nothing? Don't disrespect me like that.

• 38:06Laci Mosley?

  You don't got a friend you could call who could get in on the scheme and lie with you? Like, you're not gonna do nothing? That's just, that's so disrespectful.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  So rude.

• 38:14Laci Mosley?

  I deserve to be lied to.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  Yes, in a good way, put some thought into it.

• 38:20Laci Mosley?

  Some effort, Photoshop some things, make some fake text messages. I don't, you know, come on, now-

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Get some documents on Etsy, I don't care. Robbery!

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• 40:33Laci Mosley?

  And fraud! And it's time for my favorite segment of this podcast, Historic Hoodwings. This is where I will regale Chelsea with a famous con paper group of criminals. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. We don't know yet. We'll see, and we'll get her opinions all throughout. So today, we're talking about Inhago. I'm saying that correctly. Inigo Philbrick. He was a young, handsome, will be the determiner. Will determine if he was handsome.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  Pull up a photo. Let's see.

• 41:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, let's see if he's really giving handsome, or was he just tall? And very talented when he took the fine art world by storm. Okay, this is him. Okay, he does have traditionally good bone structure. I could see him on Gossip Girl.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  Hmm, I feel like he's

• 41:18Laci Mosley?

  Is he a red?

• 41:19Speaker 03

  I say, I think he's a medium, but he definitely, you can see the money in the photo. So now he's a eight.

• 41:28Laci Mosley?

  We're doing it if he's a, he's a ten, but.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, right.

• 41:32Laci Mosley?

  He does art fraud. That's, that's an eleven to me.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, you know what? Let, let me make my zoom, let me make a screen. Oh, no, Lacey, Lacey, make the screen bigger. I think you're gonna change your mind.

• 41:42Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, he's like a murderer.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  I'm going down to a, I'm going down to a three.

• 41:46Laci Mosley?

  Those eyes are dead. No, get this, oh, stop zooming in, Jessica, damn. Oh, my God.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 41:51Laci Mosley?

  This is stuff of nightmares.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Patchy, patchy beard, thin mustache. Yes, he is just tall and in a suit. He's not actually handsome.

• 41:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he got us, he had us in the first half. Oh, hell, no. That man looked like he put me in his basement. I would be in his basement freezer so fast. No, thank you. He, he looked like he do murders on the side. That's his hobby.

• 42:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like the bottom line of the eye chart at the DMV. Like, it's just a little fuzzy and tiny and you're like, sure, but no.

• 42:17Laci Mosley?

  Right, but you're just trying to make it out because you're like, I need to get this license. Oh, oh, no, oh, no. Okay, in to go. I was on your side for a second, but then we zoomed in and that was just, you know, look, we're not gonna face shame here. Sometimes you, you're born with the face of a murderer. That's not your fault. Let's see. We can still like you. Let's see. All right, so, um, he took the art world by storm. The dealer was good at making money and making other people money through his keen knowledge of the art world. But as it turns out, all his talents may have just been a massive Ponzi scheme. He just showed up tall and white and they were like, this guy, he's the guy.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Also, I, I don't know if I'm mad yet because the, the art world that it sounds like he's in, which is WASP-y, white art world, is a scam in of a, in

• 43:04Laci Mosley?

  It's a money laundering scam.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  You know? Yeah, so it's like, I don't know if I'm mad at the scam yet because it's all kind of a scam.

• 43:11Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Although I know a lot of artists and people who make visual things and things with their hands and things like that. And I don't think that making art and being artist is a scam, but I think the way that it's commodified in these higher end spaces absolutely is. Like shit gets a little weird and icy.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  No, I said the WASP-y art, art world. I didn't say the good art world. But if you're, if you are a WASP making art, I don't think the odds are on your side. For not being a scam, you know what I mean?

• 43:40Laci Mosley?

  Unless you're Lana Del Rey, you know, she did it great.

• 43:44Speaker 03

  You're gonna roll for Lana Del Rey?

• 43:49Speaker 03

  I didn't see that coming. That's a true shock.

• 43:52Laci Mosley?

  Well, listen, we all have our problematic faves, okay? And I loved her. She's a cop lover. I love that. But you know, she made that whistle white woman music that when I was in the Hamptons, I had to, I had to be a part of.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, Lana Del Rey is a cop lover? Like, this is another twist. I can't, I can't, I mean, I'll give her tenacity. You know what I mean? She had like, what, four pop star names and then she like?

• 44:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Lizzie. Lizzie, yeah. She did.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 44:20Laci Mosley?

  She was like, I'm settling on the feeling of Molly. I think everybody's gonna enjoy that.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm settling on the feeling of music that if you're on Molly, definitely makes sense. And if you're not on Molly, I'm just kinda like, I'm ambiance.

• 44:32Laci Mosley?

  Right, or main character music for when you're morose in the summer. Like, you're floating around in your expensive pool. But you deserve to be sad too, rich, beautiful, you know?

• 44:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, you're right. Of course she's a cop lover. Why did I not see that coming?

• 44:46Laci Mosley?

  So who is this Philbrook guy, this Ingo Philbrook? So, Ingo grew up the son of a relatively known museum director, Harry Philbrook. Mr. Philbrook was the director of Ridgefield, Connecticut's Aldrich Museum of Contemporary Art from 1996 to 2010. That's like 14 years. So he was really in that thing, really doing the arts to people. So during his tenure, he was known for staging ambitious shows by difficult, in quotes, artists such as Anselm Kiefer and flipping older art pieces to purchase more contemporary art. So, we have a picture here. This is one of the arts.

• 45:24Laci Mosley?

  This is titled D'Gorsh Noten, or The Gordon Knot. And this is an example of Kiefer's work. So, you could see how somebody would want this sad ass shit in their home, right?

• 45:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And shout out to the names on this episode. I mean, just from front to back. Incredible. I totally can see how this is a art piece that someone would pay a lot of money for.

• 45:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't know why, but the feeling that it evokes for me is sadness. Like, I don't wanna look at that.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  I mean, how much money would I pay? I would pay fifty dollars to remove it from my home.

• 46:02Laci Mosley?

  I feel like this is the kinda photo that puts a curse on you. Like, that's the movie pitch. You buy this photo and then weird shit starts happening in your house.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  That's right, there's a witch hidden in that photo.

• 46:11Laci Mosley?

  For sure.

• 46:11Speaker 03

  Painting, painting.

• 46:13Laci Mosley?

  I was like, what if we did the Blair Witch Project, but we made it a painting? Yeah?

• 46:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, you want, uh, yeah, the markings, I feel like you could solve the Zodiac murder.

• 46:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  By looking at this, there's a little R and a D and an M.

• 46:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, is it speaking to me? This is also giving me like something I was seeing in an escape room, and we need to like, get all the words, letters out of it and do some kind of word salad to get the key out the toilet or something like, it's giving, yeah. So, after graduating from Connecticut High School in two thousand five, Ingo, um, or Indio, excuse me, attended his father's school, Goldsmith, at the University of London.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  Let's call him Indiegogo.

• 46:50Laci Mosley?

  Indiegogo, we can call him Indiegogo. So, um, Indiegogo and his father's relationship grew quietly strained several years later, but he could never escape their connection. Of course, it became strained. I love that so wasp it. So he moved, he used that to his advantage, and he moved forward in his career. He would present himself as a confident, well-connected person who may or may not benefit from his father's connections. So, much like Grandma and Shannon's story, even though that wasn't her father, if she never had met him, it was like, connections, you know, they're not gonna know how.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, connections. Also, rich people like always, whenever they do have connections, they're like, I, I, it's not that I benefited from those. They're always, I may or may not have used my father's, uh, lawyer's friend to get my job in New York Times. I mean.

• 47:37Laci Mosley?

  Right. I never understand why they're so on their high horse about that shit either. We all have privilege. Like, if you have running water and lights, you have privilege. If you have a two-parent household where they weren't abusive to you, that is a privilege. Like, we all have different privileges, but for some reason, nepo kids always wanna be like, I worked for everything myself, all my, by myself alone. Yes, my mother's Gwyneth Paltrow, but like, what are you saying?

• 48:01Speaker 03

  I know. I really can't understand it because like, I would be like, bitch, my mom's Gwyneth Paltrow.

• 48:07Laci Mosley?

  Right. I would be the worst. Like, you would never, if I was Blue Ivy, sweetie, I would go by Beyonce's daughter. I would change my name to Beyonce's firstborn. Address me as such.

• 48:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'd be like, actually, you're not bullying me. I'm Blue Ivy. How much money for you to not bully me? Beyonce, mom, like, please.

• 48:23Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  Like, I would, that would be one of the greatest privileges.

• 48:27Laci Mosley?

  You would know it all the time. I wouldn't try to hide it. I, it would be very, I would, I would wear shirts with Beyonce face on them all the time. I'd be like, oh, it's just my mom, well, you know, she'd be giving me her old merch or whatever, you know, like, you're gonna know.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like it's not gonna say Bay Hive, it says Mom Hive.

• 48:42Laci Mosley?

  I call her mom. Y'all call her Bay and Beyonce, but.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  Listen, I like, I'm a Spielberg, like now treat me like one.

• 48:50Laci Mosley?

  Right, everywhere that I go. So in 2010, at the age of 23, he began interning at London's highly prestigious White Cube Gallery. He quickly rose through the ranks to run the founder Jay Joplin's second business. In 2013, Indiegogo decided to launch an independent career and Jay liked him so much that he offered to financially support him. So things were going so well for Indiegogo that he was like, oh bitch, I'm about to have my own arts. I'm about to slang my own arts and whatnot. Love that for him. And then of course they're like, you're tall and young and you're very confident in a white man. Give him money. Y'all give him money. What are we doing? Oh, hold on, hold on.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  Money, money, yes, come forth.

• 49:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we know we got you. Why did you, did you even ask? No, you don't have to ask. Hold on, get the money out for him. So Indiegogo.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  Don't be rude. Give him money without him saying anything.

• 49:38Laci Mosley?

  What are y'all doing? Look at this man. He's over six feet. So Indiegogo opened his own gallery and consultancy in London's Mayfair specializing in post-war and contemporary art. I love like, like, I always wonder how people get into businesses that are so niche. Like if you own a lamp store, like when did you wake up and you were like, lamps? That's it. No, that's all I'm gonna sell. No, we selling lamps.

• 50:02Speaker 03

  It's just, it's just lamps. Yep.

• 50:05Laci Mosley?

  So he's got in a very specific niche type of art and opened a whole gallery.

• 50:09Speaker 03

  You said post-war, what was it? Post-war?

• 50:12Laci Mosley?

  Post-war and contemporary art.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  I mean, which is ridiculous. You want the art made during the war. That's where the passion.

• 50:21Laci Mosley?

  Emotions are.

• 50:23Speaker 03

  The emotion.

• 50:24Laci Mosley?

  No, this is art if you're like very rich and you know, you have like a.

• 50:27Speaker 03

  Like I'm over it. I'm over the war. Um, this is, this is art that has no war.

• 50:34Laci Mosley?

  It's just squares. It's just like cool shit that, you know, we use as a backdrop while we do cocaine. So, you know, we, we see it. So they continued to do business together for the following six years, allegedly utilizing a shell company called Anji to obscure their identities. So they got a shell company for art. Anytime you got a shell company, we know you're doing crime. So when Indigo Go struck out on his own, he was noted for two things. His relative youth at the front of every auction and the way he always appeared is much more interested in the financial dealings of art than the art itself, which, of course.

• 51:11Speaker 03

  Okay, but also like, what? They're like, he's young and all he wants is money.

• 51:18Laci Mosley?

  Which made him special.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, which made him stand out. I'm pretty sure that's like what got me called a bitch. It's like, well, she's 22, she's a waitress, but all she wants is her money.

• 51:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you was one bitch too bad, Chelsea. Like, what the fuck is you, oh, you did the work and then you wanted the money afterwards? That's crazy. That's weird. Okay?

• 51:37Speaker 03

  Of course, yeah.

• 51:38Laci Mosley?

  You didn't show up as a tall, handsome white man from, uh, 70 feet away?

• 51:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. You get closer, you're like, I guess.

• 51:47Laci Mosley?

  Seen him up close. He always stands 70 feet away. We had a meeting, a lunch meeting. He sat at two restaurants over and was on the phone.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  Doing deals. And you know what? Very good looking. Gave him all my money.

• 52:01Laci Mosley?

  Right, gave him, cause he deserved it. What, what, why have you remiss if I didn't give him all my money? So his laser focus on deal making led him to a series of lucrative art investments in the years after his departure from White Cube. Beginning in 2014 and 28, or between 2014 and 2018, Indigo Go bid on at least 11 six and seven figure works and won four of them, which that's a really good ratio for like. These are six, seven figures. So these are millions or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of art and he

• 52:31Speaker 03

  Wait, wait.

• 52:32Laci Mosley?

  He bagged four out of the eleven.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  Are you talking art to me?

• 52:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 52:35Speaker 03

  You're talking art to me right now?

• 52:36Laci Mosley?

  Talking art to you now.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  So that's true? That's a real thing?

• 52:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  Like, like he really, that's a good numbers?

• 52:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. The most expensive was a three point five million dollar Basquiat uh, painting and a three point two million dollar Christopher Wool. So of the seven figures, like, two of those were, you know, added up to almost seven million dollars. So.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  I just don't think you should get a prize for buying things. Like, oh, he bought millions of, uh, something that was a million dollars. Like, okay.

• 53:05Laci Mosley?

  That's what the stock exchange is.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  What we're commending.

• 53:07Laci Mosley?

  They was good at buying.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  That, yeah, the stock exchange. Have you done your stock exchange scam episode? Oh, my God, bring me back. I have so much to say.

• 53:15Laci Mosley?

  There's so many.

• 53:15Speaker 03

  The stock exchange is, oh, okay.

• 53:18Laci Mosley?

  A racket. Yes. It's so.

• 53:20Speaker 03

  A racket. Listen, I'm sorry I never listened. I had to do it for late night and like, I just never want to see it again.

• 53:25Laci Mosley?

  Bro, I mean, it's.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  Do you have your money in the stock market?

• 53:28Laci Mosley?

  I don't right now. Not a lot. Um, but I have to get into diversify. You know, child, I can't even, ugh.

• 53:35Speaker 03

  Well, it sounds like you're buying art. Sounds like you have in the art world.

• 53:38Laci Mosley?

  I didn't start buying hella arts. That is, that's what I'm gonna do. I used to be an art basil. You know, it's run it up. Okay. I want that art and that art too. Put that art in my trunk, you know? That, that, that's the lady who puts all the art in her trunk. Yeah, that'll be me. The purchase firmly cemented Indigo Go as a dealer in the international art market, which led to him, uh, basically getting a dream deal. So this is the undoing. Oh, I love that. The undoing. Bring me back to Nicole Kidman.

• 54:08Speaker 03

  I'm ready.

• 54:08Laci Mosley?

  Give me that, uh, shrimp on the Barbie accent any day. Just creeping out when she does her American accent. Love that for us. Shout out to Nicole. She loves movies. So in 2015, he signed on to. Deep cut.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  She's single-handedly bringing back the cinema in a gray suit.

• 54:26Laci Mosley?

  She got AMC on her back, okay?

• 54:30Speaker 03

  That's a scam. The AMC paid her for that commercial. They're like, here's how we get films back. You, watch a movie.

• 54:36Laci Mosley?

  Nicole, and film her. Film her while she, she, look, she says she love movies.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Film her, film her. Have her say, movies is fun and good.

• 54:42Laci Mosley?

  Y'all heard it straight from Nikki herself. Now what y'all gonna do?

• 54:45Speaker 03

  It was like, who needed to be told movies were good? We all love movies. Like, I don't understand.

• 54:50Laci Mosley?

  I didn't know what it was about movies till she said it. And I was like, oh, okay. I see your point, Nicole.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  Okay, sure.

• 54:57Laci Mosley?

  Movies is fun and good. I'm gonna be here. I'll give her my money. So, the undoing. In 2015, he signed on to buy and sell blue chip works at a profit on behalf of a company called Fine Art Partners. Uh, okay, FAP. Uh, blue chip works are by known-

• 55:14Speaker 03

  I got a FAP, okay.

• 55:15Laci Mosley?

  You got a FAP, you got the, that, I'm thinking of WAP.

• 55:22Laci Mosley?

  Got that wet ass art of-

• 55:25Speaker 03

  I got that wet ass art up in here, okay.

• 55:27Laci Mosley?

  Blue chip works are by known, tried and true artists, basically guaranteed to make money. So like a Basquiat would be a blue chip work. Like a Banksy would be a blue chip work. Like, they're about the famous girlies. Uh, the girlies that if you have it in your house, people are like, is that, is that Kate Baskey? You know, is that, you know, that means you're really-

• 55:45Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 55:46Laci Mosley?

  You're spinning a coin. So FAP was founded and run by former Morgan Stanley banker-

• 55:50Speaker 03

  I can't stand that it's called FAP. I'm sorry, I can't stand it. I can't believe this is real. Okay, okay.

• 55:55Laci Mosley?

  So, FAP, FAP, FAP. Uh, by former Morgan and Stanley banker Daniel Trumel, he was one of the founders. And German judge-turned-art researcher Loretta Württemberger. And you know, you gotta have somebody German when you're doing some art shit. Like, Württemberger, that just bodes confidence for me. So look at them, this picture, like, the, the woman, this Württemberger, she look like she know art. Look at that haircut. It's giving paintings.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  I've never seen someone look more like a German judge-turned-art broker. Like, there's no one who could fit this description more. She's somehow wearing a three-quarter suit jacket that's also a cape?

• 56:33Laci Mosley?

  That's art and that's the law. She, she knows her brand. The brand is strong, okay? So together they would acquire works and require Indiegogo to pay only thirty to thirty-five percent of the purchase price. He would then hold the works in storage until it looks like they were reaching their predetermined target price. So he would hold them, you know, much like they do with diamonds in the mine to get the price up and then he would release them, you know, slowly. So at that point, he would complete the sale and flip the work. The key was that FOB, oh, what a name, didn't require Indiegogo to front his part of the purchase price until he resold the piece. So basically, he was using other people's money to buy art and then flip it.

• 57:17Laci Mosley?

  And then that's when he would pay his part of owning the piece and then he would also reap, you know, a part of the portions, like, you know.

• 57:25Speaker 03

  This only sounds smart to me. I'm not seeing the scam yet.

• 57:28Laci Mosley?

  Right, I love it. So this meant that most of the time he had large amounts of cash to operate and theoretically plenty of time to both buy and sell the works for profit. Because he, they just given him money, you know, he showed up and he looked like he deserved money. And so everybody's like, yeah, we'll front all the risks for this because you deserve money and no risk. So for example, in twenty fifteen, uh, Indiegogo purchased an untitled Donald Judge stainless steel sculpture. And we have the sculpture here. Okay, that just looked like some shelves I could get from Ikea and like, you know, those shelves that are freestanding and just put them into the wall. Uh, okay.

• 58:02Speaker 03

  One hundred percent a freestanding shelf and like not one that holds a lot.

• 58:06Laci Mosley?

  Give me a guess for this freestanding shelf. How much do you think it cost?

• 58:10Speaker 03

  Oh, this is gonna be painful. Okay, um, what I think it should cost? Twenty ninety-nine. What I think it actually costs at Ross. And, um, well, okay, so you said he was in the millions, so I guess I'll say one point one million?

• 58:30Laci Mosley?

  That's not a bad guess. Two point two five million was what they purchased it for.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  Okay, it's double. It's double.

• 58:36Laci Mosley?

  It's still, but you were up there.

• 58:37Speaker 03

  Wow, this is what I'm saying though, like, this is the scam of all, like, the person who saw- This is the scam artist, this artist is a scam.

• 58:46Laci Mosley?

  And I love that for them, because the thing is, once you have enough clout, you can just charge anything for your art. You know, you could basically sometimes destroys the art. You buy it and it goes through a shredder. He's like, fuck y'all, I got them, but thanks for the money, hoes. You'll never know who I am. Uh, love that for him or her. We don't know. Um.

• 59:03Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 59:04Laci Mosley?

  And I love that. But so their, their goal, they purchased us that two point two five million and the target resale was two point eight million dollars. Um, so a sale for any less would eat into Indiegogo's cut. So he had to like get the money up so that he would get his cut because he's not participating in the risk of purchasing. But as the months went on, resales weren't happening and the founders grew frustrated. Trupo, uh, pressed Indiegogo for sales as FAP needed the money for its tax bills. But he was only met with lengthy and dramatic explanations. Okay. See, at least you have the decency to lie, Indiegogo. We love that.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  Yes, at length.

• 59:41Laci Mosley?

  Give me a book of lies. I want it. So he, this is a quote from Indiegogo. He says, to rush these sales is signing your own death nail. Oh, man. You know, he, he went to school in London, said, to rush these sales is to sign your own death nail. That's so fancy. Like, what a fancy way to gaslight people. I love that.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, talk dirty to me, FAP.

• 1:00:04Laci Mosley?

  FAP. So things continue.

• 1:00:06Speaker 03

  I'm sorry. I just keep.

• 1:00:07Laci Mosley?

  Go ahead.

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's just, it's just, are you not thinking fat ass pussy? Not what we're thinking every time we say this. I just have to know if it's only me.

• 1:00:16Laci Mosley?

  Fat ass pussy. Oh, no. Oh, no.

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  That's all I've heard this whole time. Maybe it's Fatos pussy.

• 1:00:26Laci Mosley?

  Fatos pussy. I don't, I don't even know if they say pussies. That's a lexicon in the UK. That's why they call it like a smirkin' creature or something. They always got weird words for shit.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  A crumpet.

• 1:00:39Laci Mosley?

  He was down in my.

• 1:00:42Laci Mosley?

  And then he licked my mini mount. Like, what, like, what is?

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  And he licked my mini mount raw.

• 1:00:47Laci Mosley?

  Raw. Like, you know, that's how I imagine. Uh, yes. So that, that's also why I imagine sex with a British person is just like, oh, more of that. Oh, that's lovely. Yes. I'm having a great time.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  So just like a fabulous time where they just like compliment you in like light and lovely ways.

• 1:01:03Laci Mosley?

  Oh, your body is smashing, right fit.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  Smashing success.

• 1:01:10Laci Mosley?

  And then when they come, it's like, that's Australian.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  They come, they Brexit, I'm sorry.

• 1:01:22Speaker 03

  I'm Brexit.

• 1:01:22Laci Mosley?

  I'm Brexiting, I'm Brexiting right now. In your mini mount. Yeah, okay, see, this is.

• 1:01:32Laci Mosley?

  Sorry, sorry to y'all in the UK. Y'all know how I do. So, things continue to deteriorate. And too late did FOP realize that they gave Indiegogo too long of a leash. So, he's not selling his fans anymore. He has no liability. He didn't purchase them. He's leaving them cash poor because now they're not getting their coins back. And they're like, and.

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:01:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  Again, smart. It all sounds.

• 1:01:57Laci Mosley?

  So, Indiegogo's lavish lifestyle. Meanwhile, Indiegogo continued his extravagant spending in his own life. He took private planes and frequently ordered bottle service in nightclubs. Now, not you buying bot, like, not you in the club.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  But also like, that's it. Like, you're running whole ass scams and it's just.

• 1:02:16Laci Mosley?

  Bring alcohol for 21 year olds.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  For a sad woman to.

• 1:02:22Laci Mosley?

  A very tired club. I've had to do the bottle service, you know, with the sparklers.

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, Lacey, I'm almost positive you're, yeah, you're like, here's your vodka.

• 1:02:32Laci Mosley?

  And then you gotta make sure they tip because they be drunk and go like, look at the, it's a lot. So, shout out to the bottle girls out there because now, if you want to be a bottle girl, you need like a BBL.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  Do you ever change a tip on a check?

• 1:02:42Laci Mosley?

  So legally, I have never done that. However, you know, sometimes if a mistake was made by the patron, then that has to be corrected for the staff. That's all I'm saying. I'm just clearing up clerical errors, you know?

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  That's right. You've cleared up clerical errors.

• 1:03:01Laci Mosley?

  Because it's like, oh, you put it too close. That's all. It would need to be made back here.

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  Right, because they made an error.

• 1:03:07Laci Mosley?

  So, I'm just helping the community. That's all, you know?

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  And I have to say, like, legally, though you've never done it, and legally, though I've never done it, if you were to run a scam, it's one of the most solid ones.

• 1:03:17Laci Mosley?

  Because allegedly, people don't really check that often.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  There's not a lot of P. They're not checking that tip amount. So I'm just saying, were you to run a scam?

• 1:03:27Laci Mosley?

  Would be the perfect place. Also, they're probably intoxicated.

• 1:03:30Speaker 03

  That would be bad and wrong.

• 1:03:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm just saying. And not to take advantage of intoxicated, I'm just saying they probably won't remember if they left the good tip that they wanted to leave.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  But if you are, if you are a person ordering bottle service legally, do you deserve to this scam?

• 1:03:48Laci Mosley?

  You've already bought into the scam because you're buying an overpriced bottle just so you can get attention in the club. So you're already a part of the scam. So you might as well like see it through.

• 1:03:58Speaker 03

  You're part of it. You said yes to it.

• 1:03:59Laci Mosley?

  You say yes to everything, including the tip, which might need to be, you know, um, moderate. Yeah.

• 1:04:06Speaker 03

  Collaborate. Moderated collaborative.

• 1:04:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. It's a collaborative experience. Like you made a suggestion of the tip and then we, we analyzed that.

• 1:04:17Laci Mosley?

  And then we allocated funds.

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  We analyze that suggestion.

• 1:04:21Laci Mosley?

  You know.

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, we put it through an algorithm of our current rent prices and grocery needs. We run that through that algorithm. That's right. Inflation, uh, factors of attitudes, things said during the event.

• 1:04:34Laci Mosley?

  Capital use, was it a black card?

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  You know, joke, did you make a joke? Like what's going on here? And then we calibrate that.

• 1:04:42Laci Mosley?

  It's just an adjustment.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  And give you a correct tip.

• 1:04:45Laci Mosley?

  Just like, uh, just like Indiegogo. So at the time he was dating Victoria Baker Harbour, an English socialite, best known for her role on the popular British reality show Made in Chelsea. Never heard of that show, but she is giving me baddie reality vibes. And she.

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  I mean, that's a dress where like, if you described it, it should be something I'm in love with and the execution. I can't, I just don't know how you executed a thousand feathers this poorly.

• 1:05:15Laci Mosley?

  It's giving like.

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like, doesn't it feel like something we should love?

• 1:05:19Laci Mosley?

  You know what? I feel like if I saw it on a mannequin, I would love it. And I put it on, I'd be like, oh, no. Because it honestly looks like she was tarred and feathered. It looked like they put a bunch of Elmers on her and then pushed her into the craft section of Joanne's Fabrics.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  And that's right. It looks like she was a Mormon in the 1940s and they tarred and feathered her all the way to the top.

• 1:05:37Laci Mosley?

  Also, clearly, Miss Victoria likes her a cocktail because in this photo, she got her martini, or her cosmopolitan right next to her and she at the bar. So you gonna buy the bottles for Victoria, honey. She will accept nothing less. Nothing less. So he wore five thousand pound suits, handmade shoes, handmade shoes. Come on, you got a cobbler? That's how you know you rich. A belt with a diamond lodged in the pin and a forty-eight thousand pound watch. That's an expensive ass watch. Because like, that's almost double American dollars.

• 1:06:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, that's what, like, sixty thousand?

• 1:06:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, around sixty, seventy thousand USD because our money ain't strong. Whoo, our money weak. So, I'm gonna need to eat some spinach. Get like Popeye because, bitch, what's going on with the money? So, he even kept an account at Mayfair Restaurant, Cipriani, so that dinner companions would think he was too important to need to give a credit card. So when he left, he didn't even have to pay. He's like, charge it to my account. I'm too rich to pull out my card.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  That's a Lacey Mosley move.

• 1:06:35Laci Mosley?

  I knew you were gonna say that shit. I knew you were gonna say that.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  I said, that's some Lacey Mosley shit. Do you also have a cobbler?

• 1:06:42Laci Mosley?

  No, we're gonna go to dinner soon. I will, I will maybe let you pay.

• 1:06:49Speaker 03

  No, no, I'm ruining your life next time I take, next time I take you to dinner, a parade's gonna come out in your honor from me to pay you back for the best order of my life.

• 1:06:58Laci Mosley?

  I love it when we're both the safe penny type of time. He's like, yeah, we're going back to dinner and I'm gonna ruin your life. Okay?

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  I'mma ruin your life with dinner with me next time.

• 1:07:05Laci Mosley?

  How dare you? So in 2018, he opened the Blue Chip Gallery in Miami, the first of its kind in the area, and it was immediately popular. And if you don't know, like Miami, you know, because of the industries in Florida and how shady everything is. But Miami has a huge art scene. Art Basel happens there. Uh, I once saw a banana go for millions of dollars. It was a banana that was nailed into a wall. It's money laundering. But you know, it's cute. Uh, it's very sexy and the girls love to go down. So, his spending didn't track with the lack of sales that he was making at Fop. So now Fop is probably on Instagram like, this motherfucker getting bottles again? And we ain't sold none of these paintings. Bitch, where he getting all this damn?

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  We saw the diamond in that belt.

• 1:07:44Laci Mosley?

  Is that a diamond?

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  In that belt.

• 1:07:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh, hey, no. Like, there, I'm sure.

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  Is that a diamond in the pin of that belt?

• 1:07:51Laci Mosley?

  Everything they're checking the prices of. Them shoes look homemade. Who making him homemade shoes? Like, we need to fight him.

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  Are those shoes off of Etsy? Who's home making him Etsy shoes?

• 1:08:03Laci Mosley?

  He's like, I got this from Louis Vuitton, but no, Louis made them himself. He came in, he sewed them up.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  Old ass Louis, like, Indiegogo's making him make them shoes.

• 1:08:15Laci Mosley?

  Part of the integrity of it, you know what I mean? Some of the stitches a little, you know, but it's cool. So, in 2017, a buyer named Leonard Freeland, uh, bought an untitled Rudolph Stingle, lots of names in here, painting of two ravens from Indiegogo and FAP for about six million dollars. So this is the painting that was six mil. Again.

• 1:08:35Speaker 03

  Six million dollars? I gotta tell you, I went to, to a, a Pino and Paint class with some girlfriends and I think I painted this.

• 1:08:44Laci Mosley?

  I feel like you could definitely do this at a sip and paint in a smooth hour and a half.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  I mean, this is, it's a, it's a sil- it's a silhouette of two words.

• 1:08:52Laci Mosley?

  This is the kind of flex that like, if you put this in your home, you have to, you're flexing on other rich people. Cause I'm never gonna walk past this and be like, is that a six million dollar bird painting of the crows? No, I'm never gonna know. So this is a flex for other rich people of like, look, I'm also rich. Because I would never spot this. So in 2018, the same work sold at the Phillips Auction House for a small loss at 5.9 million. But, a year after, there was a correspondence between Indiegogo and Trampel about how Freeland still owed them six million dollars for the painting after its resale. And while Indiegogo was attempting to sell him another painting for five million dollars. So that, so FAP was like, hey, we actually didn't get any money from that painting that we sold? The, the six million, we don't, um, hey, it's us over at Fat Ass Pussy, we, um...

• 1:09:37Laci Mosley?

  The pussies, pussies starting to get a little skinny, cause we only got no money.

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, uh-huh. It's a little dry up in here.

• 1:09:44Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:09:45Speaker 03

  And he's like the fuzz.

• 1:09:45Laci Mosley?

  Okay, and he's already trying to sell this person another five million dollar painting, but they haven't recouped any of their money for the original one that he sold. So, Trumpo was frustrated at this point, but chalked it up to possibly a German versus Russian way of doing business. So, they're still giving this man so many chances. Y'all are out how many millions of dollars at this point? And y'all are like, but he's so tall, though. He tall, we gotta just, tall people in the sky, they do it different.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  It must be a Russian and German cultural era.

• 1:10:17Laci Mosley?

  That is universal. Okay, I don't speak every language, but I can speak robbery in any language. But, when Indiegogo did make the money, the amount was enough to not make them heavily question the hiccups, at least for a time. So, you know in a Ponzi scheme, like, you start to pay people back their, you know, dividends or their, you know, return on investment or whatever. And so that keeps them along the ride for longer periods of time. Because they're like, well, I am seeing a little coin. It's not the six million that I'm owed, but, you know, he's not completely ghosting us financially. He's giving us a little something. So, in reality, Indiegogo has been reselling the ownership of the art out from under SAP FOP while continuing,

• 1:11:00Laci Mosley?

  while they were continuing to question him about the resales and the lack of payments. So, he's, he, they're buying the art. They're trusting that he's gonna get them the best price for the resale. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, let me hold them all in my trunk. And he's just slanging these pieces, slanging them. And they have no idea that these pieces are selling. They're not recouping their losses or their investment. He's just like, well, y'all gotta pay his and then I sell the pants to keep the money. This not, this business arrangement don't work for y'all? That's because y'all German. See, I don't know how we do it over here. So, because the art was held in storage during the sales, the owners never actually saw it. And many were taken in by the promise of a little risk with a big reward.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  They bought an Instagram photo.

• 1:11:41Laci Mosley?

  They never saw the, they were sending the money. He's at the auctions, front row, looking tall and young and money hungry. And they're actually never even seeing physically what they're spending their money on. Guys, y'all, y'all deserve to be robbed. I'm kind of on Indiegogo's side right now.

• 1:11:59Speaker 03

  I know, I, I, yeah.

• 1:12:00Laci Mosley?

  In the most extreme example known, Andy Gogo sold multiple overlapping shares in Rudolph Stingles painting of Picasso. So now he's selling like, basically people are investing in the sale of this Picasso. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, y'all get involved. Yeah, y'all all gonna get a cut when we sell it.

• 1:12:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a ti- he's doing, running a timeshare, a timeshare on a painting.

• 1:12:21Laci Mosley?

  You get the paint in for Christmas and Arbor Day. They get the paint in for Thanksgiving and Father's Day. No, it's not that.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  It's brilliant.

• 1:12:31Laci Mosley?

  Arbor Day is bigger than Father's Day. No, don't worry. You're still getting, you're getting the best deal. What? So, he told FOP in March 2017 that he had bought the work in full for 7.1 million dollars, but two months prior, he had sold a firm called Sapp Finance for 50% of the share of the painting, worth 3.5 million. So it's highly unusual in and of itself to treat a painting as a financial investment and sell any kinds of shares rather than the full title. Like, I'm owning part of a painting. You're right. It's a timeshare. So in June 2017, Andy Gogo sold the same painting again to Gazuni Properties, an investment vehicle controlled by billionaire UK brothers Simon and David Rubin. Around two years later, the brothers

• 1:13:12Laci Mosley?

  consigned the painting to Christie's Auction House, where it sold for 6.52 million. Meanwhile, Andy Gogo told FOP that the piece had been consigned under the company and with the aid of falsified documents, said that he had guaranteed that he was gonna get 9 million from Christie's. So now he's just lying to them. He's like, oh, I'm selling it under FOP. Y'all about to, that pussy about to be fat again. Don't even worry about it. Christie said they gonna get us 9 mil.

• 1:13:39Speaker 03

  I'm coming, I'm coming back. I'm coming back to you later, girl. Like, just sit tight.

• 1:13:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, chill. It's all in the, in the garage. Remember? Like, that's what we said we put it. I got good lights in there. So now FOP and Sapp Finance and the Rubin Brothers are fighting in court over who's the rightful owner of the painting.

• 1:13:56Speaker 03

  Hmm. Oh, it's like an episode of Maury, but they all wanna be the father.

• 1:14:03Laci Mosley?

  The DNS has just shown that you are not the painting. And then they just run around.

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  You are not the owner of this painting.

• 1:14:10Laci Mosley?

  No! The cameramen are running super fast around Christie's. I hope it's that kind of drama. That's the kind of drama I live for. Rich people mess. I love a big little lie. Give it to me, put it in my veins. So, Indigo Go finally hit the end of his rope when Fop sued him in October of 2019. Y'all waited way too long to sue this man.

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  It's taking you a long time, Fop. Like, this was a long time coming.

• 1:14:30Laci Mosley?

  Cause like, the way he spent his money, I don't even know if he gonna get anything. So, since then, at least five other claims have been filed in the US alone for a number of works, including the stingle of, the stingle Picasso, right? So, since then, at least five other claims have been filed in the US alone for a number of works, including the stingle Picasso that was supposed to go for nine million that he was giving out everywhere. Um, the Infinity Room and a Basquiat painting of two crowned figures titled Humidity. That was from 1982. That's what, so this is the Infinity Room. He's, he, he sold the Infinity Room? That's in America? How do you sell that? Do I own part of the Infinity Room? I feel like we all own a part of it now. We should sue as well.

• 1:15:10Speaker 03

  I would love to go. Can we go for Arbor Day?

• 1:15:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes, yes. That's when we, that's our timeshare of the Infinity Room. We'll kick everybody out. And then this is the Basquiat that he also is tied up legally for. So, London High Court has also granted at least four separate requests to freeze Philbrick's asset. I love how these are requests. Like, over here in America, they just freeze them, girl. They put them on ice. Like, you know, yeah. Hey, hey, love, if, hey, hey, it's us at the High Court in London. We just wanna like, if you got a chance, if you, if you don't mind, if you're free, could you freeze his assets? But, sweet. But, it would just be really kind if you could do that. Like, y'all are government. Y'all supposed to just pull up in Devo. Y'all are gang. It's actually better that you don't, but that's just what we're used to over here. It's bad.

• 1:15:56Laci Mosley?

  So it also turns out that Andy GoGo had gotten so deep in his dealings that he used the Basquiat as collateral for a 13.5 million dollar loan. The loan was declared in default in October 2019 when he makes a six-figure interest payment and Athena secured the Basquiat as it was on its way back from a show at the Moray Art Museum in Tokyo.

• 1:16:16Speaker 03

  Now the loan sharks got the Basquiat?

• 1:16:20Laci Mosley?

  Yes, they've, they've

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  Okay, nobody's ever, no one else is ever getting the Basquiat. You know what I mean? Like, if the loan people have the Basquiat, like, it's never going back to the brothers and whoever else thinks they have it.

• 1:16:31Laci Mosley?

  So that, so that they're fighting, the brothers are fighting over the Picasso. The Basquiat is another one that he's tied up in a, as collateral for a 3.5 million dollar loan that he obviously could not afford to pay. So he's in deep, he owes everybody money. So the same buyer that had bought the partial share in the Stingo Picasso also claims ownership ownership over the Basquiat, saying that he paid a 66% share for it in 2016. So now we're doing shares of paintings. Yeah, majority, but what is a majority owner of a painting?

• 1:17:01Speaker 03

  I know. I can't believe you guys are doing paintings in shares. That's, I mean, I wasn't ready.

• 1:17:07Laci Mosley?

  But honestly, a brilliant idea because this is something that is not typical in the art world. So people who are all about the money and see a finance guy, again, doing what is done in our industry, that is our industry, turning art into financial profit for large corporations, they might see this as a new frontier. And anytime you're dealing with a new frontier, it might be a new scam, honey, you never know.

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  Hmm, okay, okay.

• 1:17:29Laci Mosley?

  So by the time that he was set to appear in court, he had closed his galleries, disconnected his phones, and vanished.

• 1:17:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, that seems right.

• 1:17:38Laci Mosley?

  His then fiance, Victoria, the reality queen who loves a cocktail, left the US with him to go to a tiny South Pacific island of Vanuatu. She said, "I was aware that he had nothing material left to offer me, but his kindness and consistency were enough to submit my choice and temporarily leave the world that I knew behinds." She's like, "He was so tall and he was poor now, but..." I'm a good person and a philanthropist, so.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  She said kindness and what? What was the other quality?

• 1:18:09Laci Mosley?

  Consistency.

• 1:18:11Speaker 03

  Consistency, okay, yeah, because he has, he has no job, so he's definitely around, you know?

• 1:18:17Laci Mosley?

  It's giving that dick was.

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:21Laci Mosley?

  Maybe the dick was digging because.

• 1:18:22Speaker 03

  But that being said, I give kindness and consistency two months. How mu- how long did it take?

• 1:18:29Laci Mosley?

  I'm not going on the lam because you give me words of affirmation.

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  I'm not leaving the country.

• 1:18:34Laci Mosley?

  Right, and of course he got consistency, he ain't got no job. Where else does he have to flock in other than love?

• 1:18:39Speaker 03

  You're the only thing in his life. He's on the run. Lana Del Rey has the cops after him, like he has nowhere to go.

• 1:18:47Laci Mosley?

  So in Vanuatu, they rented a small house and continued to travel throughout Asia. Sounds like he had a little bit of money to give you if y'all were traveling and renting houses. During their island life, the couple didn't attempt to hide their identities. Indiegogo booked tennis lessons under his own name and they even adopted.

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  Tennis lessons?

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  Okay, all right, all right.

• 1:19:06Laci Mosley?

  You know how you need tennis lessons when you're on the run from the government?

• 1:19:09Speaker 03

  You know how tennis lessons are a basic staple? It's food, water, tennis lessons. Like, he's not even playing. He's still learning.

• 1:19:17Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:18Speaker 03

  Education, the ultimate privilege.

• 1:19:20Laci Mosley?

  Right. If you're not gonna continue learning, okay? Yeah, I'm on the run from the, all the laws, several countries, but hello, I'm still gonna be fulfilled. Love that. Get a hobby, I love it. So he was eventually arrested in June 2022 by US law enforcement agents and extradited back to the US. Indiegogo was sentenced to a seven-year prison sentence for duping his victims out of eighty-six million dollars.

• 1:19:47Speaker 03

  Wow, that's, I feel like he should have more to show than bottle service and like one trip in Asia.

• 1:19:55Laci Mosley?

  And tennis lessons. Sweetie, that's not giving eighty-six mil.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like, where's that mansion? Where's the how? But, okay, that's impressive.

• 1:20:04Laci Mosley?

  Did it all go to the diamond belt? Like, I'm confused as to where.

• 1:20:07Speaker 03

  How big was that diamond in the pin of that belt?

• 1:20:09Laci Mosley?

  It's a blood diamond. It's the Tiffany diamond. I put it in a belt.

• 1:20:16Laci Mosley?

  So disgruntled associates are trying to seize his personal assets at an estimate of seventy million dollars as well as a hundred and fifty dollars in his business assets?

• 1:20:25Speaker 03

  Hundred and fifty? That's not, no.

• 1:20:30Laci Mosley?

  Maybe they mean a hundred and fifty mil, but it it it says a hundred and fifty dollars, so, okay. That's really petty. They're like, and we want the one fifty from the LLC. Tell us we want that too.

• 1:20:39Speaker 03

  He's not getting a burger. He's not going to Taco Bell. No.

• 1:20:43Laci Mosley?

  No. He ain't passing go. He definitely ain't collecting two hundred dollars because we want it. The one fifty is ours. So one of his former friends, art writer and admitted poor art dealer, Kitty Schrader, who lost one point four million pounds to Indiegogo, remarked, Indiegogo sold the same picture four times. I can't even sell the damn thing once. He's so talented.

• 1:21:06Speaker 03

  Wow. I mean, I, I know you've talked about the, the, the Fire Festival, but like, it really reminds me of that moment when like, in the documentary, they're just like, Billy was just so charismatic. He could get you to do anything. Like, he just had that charisma that convinced people to give him millions of dollars. And then there's an hour and a half of Billy, who's the most uncharismatic man alive. Do you know what I mean? Where it's just like, what are you talking about? And that feels like Indiegogo, where it's like, I haven't really heard anything. Yeah, he's just kind of standing there. Like, what are you talking about?

• 1:21:40Laci Mosley?

  It's like if you told me, like, I was meeting the great Gatsby, and then Billy McFarlane showed up like, hey, yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to make it up. Yeah. Like, where, where's the, where's, throw some stars, bitch, entertain me, dance with me.

• 1:21:53Speaker 03

  Yes. Give a little bit of charisma, but, okay, all right, okay.

• 1:21:58Laci Mosley?

  Listen, maybe that's the charisma is like, he gives us nothing. What confidence?

• 1:22:03Speaker 03

  Oh, he gives us no charisma.

• 1:22:06Laci Mosley?

  That's the charisma itself. Give the girls nothing. I don't know.

• 1:22:11Speaker 03

  I mean, Lacey, can you imagine getting anything done without trying five hundred times over the level of Indiegogo?

• 1:22:18Laci Mosley?

  No, and I'm so jealous. I think he is extremely talented, and if I was tall. I am tall, but if I was a tall white man, um, I would be doing the same thing. I would just be showing up tall and be like, where's the money? Actually, I've been waiting for five minutes and I don't have like at least six million dollars. What's happening?

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  Oh, yes, I am also tall, but when you're a tall woman, it's, it, it's, it's an opposite of the man graph. They're like, you're less trustworthy. You're a woman who could maybe hit back.

• 1:22:44Laci Mosley?

  Beat me up. Yeah. You look too strong there, sis.

• 1:22:48Speaker 03

  Ah, you look like you take vitamins. Ah, I don't want this one.

• 1:22:52Laci Mosley?

  You drinking water every day, huh? No, get rid of this bitch. Get rid of her.

• 1:22:57Speaker 03

  This bitch will survive a couple of days longer.

• 1:22:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. Give her no money. Give her no money, okay? Take her money, actually. We need to rob her.

• 1:23:05Speaker 03

  Take her money. No one dated her. Get her out of here.

• 1:23:09Laci Mosley?

  So guys, that brings us to the sad portion of the show where I have to let Chelsea go. But before we do that, we have scammer of the week where we highlight a charlatan who's maybe worthy of our praise. Maybe not, we'll see. Today, we're talking about an LA rapper who rapped about committing fraud and has pled guilty. Man.

• 1:23:29Speaker 03

  Hmm, I hope he did it in verse.

• 1:23:32Laci Mosley?

  Right, so in his music video, EDD, and we have this music video and some photos. He raps about, he says, my swagger for EDD, going to the bank with a stack of these. The California Employment Development Department while holding a stack of envelopes. So he's.

• 1:23:55Laci Mosley?

  I love that you made EDD swaggy. He was like, I'm going to EDD with a stack of these. Oh, stamps bitch, what's up? What's like, I love that you made this.

• 1:24:03Speaker 03

  Full video evidence.

• 1:24:05Laci Mosley?

  Yes, you better take a picture, holding the money of the money phone. I love this. I love this. So Busy, whose real name is Frantrell Antonio Baines, that's a scammer name if I've ever heard one. He's got a forehead tattoo in the middle. He's doing it honest. He's 33. He used a series of stolen identities to fund his Hollywood Hills lifestyle from July 2020 to September 2020. I wish it had lasted longer.

• 1:24:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, also they're saying Hollywood Hills, but from the photo, it's like, oh. A studio in Hollywood.

• 1:24:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, those steps aren't giving hills to me.

• 1:24:39Speaker 03

  They're not, they're giving me lobby of a bad apartment building.

• 1:24:43Laci Mosley?

  Maybe on the way up to the hills, you know what I mean, like?

• 1:24:46Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:24:48Laci Mosley?

  On, uh, what's, what's that street that like runs fast, like right before you start to go up, like past Griffin Shing, you end up in the hills? I can't think of the street right now, but it's giving like.

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  Fountain?

• 1:24:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's giving, he's on the other side of fountain.

• 1:24:59Laci Mosley?

  I'm on the way to the hills though, I'm at the bottom of the hill. Are you on the hill if you at the top?

• 1:25:03Speaker 03

  I will get to the hill. I can see the hill.

• 1:25:06Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we gotta count all parts of the hills as the hill. So I'm at the bottom of the hill, but I'm on the hill. Was good, this is just a fact. I love that. So he allegedly used the pandemic unemployment assistance provision of the CARES Act, which was designed to expand access to unemployment benefits for those who would otherwise be ineligible. In total, he ripped off, I love it.

• 1:25:26Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, I love it.

• 1:25:27Laci Mosley?

  One point two million in pandemic unemployment assistance. The rapper was arrested when he was pulled over by the Las Vegas P D as a passenger and consented to search the vehicle. So he was a passenger and they were like, yeah, you can search. Why would you let the cops search? Like, they don't got a warrant, bro.

• 1:25:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was gonna say, how are you smart enough to pull this scam, but you're also gonna rap about it in writing and consent to the search? Which we all know you don't have to consent.

• 1:25:53Laci Mosley?

  I mean, but as a black person in America, and this, this rapper isn't African American, but at least from what I can see visually. Um, you know, sometimes you acquiesce with the police because you're like, I don't know if I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna get some warning shots in my back. So, you know, I, I can see, or maybe they were lit. They were like, we ain't got no drugs in here, but they forgot that they had fifty thousand dollars under a row of seats in the car. Oh, I forgot about that. Yes, but also fifty K in Vegas doesn't feel that wild, like, if I pull somebody over and they had fifty K, but I mean, you're black and you know, that's a part of being black is like, white people always need to know where you got your money from. And they try to do it in the most like casual ways now, like don't be in a fancy space, don't be a first class,

• 1:26:32Laci Mosley?

  don't be in some kind of private lounge, don't be somewhere where they don't expect to see black people because they're like, oh my God, so what are you, are you an athlete? Are you a rapper?

• 1:26:40Speaker 03

  How did you get here?

• 1:26:41Laci Mosley?

  Are you Regina King? Because I've been hearing a lot about her. Is that you?

• 1:26:47Speaker 03

  Don't tell me that happened.

• 1:26:49Laci Mosley?

  That was like, you don't look like Oprah. I don't look like, wh- why would you, okay. Yeah, I had to sell people, I was like, please don't tell me.

• 1:26:56Speaker 03

  How dare you.

• 1:26:57Laci Mosley?

  Like, eh, eh, cause it's usually just offensive, you know what I mean? Like, just don't.

• 1:27:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, oh, there, eh, there, even if it's the most beautiful person alive.

• 1:27:05Laci Mosley?

  It's such a risk, high risk, low reward. Just say they look good, say they're beautiful, they compliment what you're actually seeing. And versus liking them, someone they probably definitely don't look like. But yeah, that's the thing, it's like, if you got money, you black, you're like, where did you get that from? Cause we've done a lot of work to make sure you didn't have any.

• 1:27:18Speaker 03

  Where'd you get that? I mean,

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, like, they're doing such a search to go under the seats.

• 1:27:24Laci Mosley?

  He's got a tattoo on his face.

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like, wow.

• 1:27:27Laci Mosley?

  You know, they're profiling whore. You know what I mean?

• 1:27:29Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:27:30Laci Mosley?

  They were like, we know we got something here. He got a tattoo in the middle of his forehead. Yeah, he definitely making poor decisions. Keep looking.

• 1:27:36Speaker 03

  Keep going, take the engine apart.

• 1:27:38Laci Mosley?

  Stay in line, if you're here to search a busy car, stay in line, we are gonna find something, okay? Anybody know how to take apart an engine? I bet you he got something in there. Like, they're gonna get to it. So, he faces up to twenty years in prison for ma- mail fraud and tend, they'll get you on that mail fraud, don't ever mail shit. Cause then the US Postal Service will be like, what up bitch? We didn't have you on nothing else.

• 1:28:02Speaker 03

  We need the budget, our budget is gone. You're in for mail fraud.

• 1:28:06Laci Mosley?

  The stamp, ho, it was over for you.

• 1:28:11Laci Mosley?

  So, he faces up to twenty years in prison for the mail fraud and ten years behind bars for firearms and ammunition possession. So I guess they did find some other things in the car. I'm just, I just don't think that mail fraud and financial crimes need to be twenty years in prison. That's a waste of our taxpayer dollars. Y'all are just trying to put a new slave in the, in the prison industrial, you know, machine. Don't play with us.

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  Also, those, those pandemic programs were taken, I mean, corporations took all the money. Corporations that didn't qualify for them took the money. Like, you're telling me this man took the unemployment program for a run? Like, I don't know, I kinda think he's great.

• 1:28:48Laci Mosley?

  And he was unemployed.

• 1:28:49Speaker 03

  So much worse was done.

• 1:28:50Laci Mosley?

  He's running a small business, he's a rapper. That's a small business. I, I, I'm confused. Y'all were forgiving all the rest of the loans, so forgive this one. Hmm, I'm curious, but.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  Loan forgiveness program.

• 1:29:04Laci Mosley?

  Literally what it's called. So forgive Busy the Rapper for trying to get his, okay? We need his art.

• 1:29:12Laci Mosley?

  But guys, that brings us to the end of a beautiful episode. Chelsea, thank you so much for being here. This is so good just to even chat with you. Um, we always ask.

• 1:29:20Speaker 03

  Thank you so much for having me. I can't, I can't wait to spend Father's Day with you at our timeshare, but yes, please.

• 1:29:25Laci Mosley?

  That's when we get the painting too. We get it just for Father's Day. Okay. So we're, we're gonna just sit there and look at it and enjoy ourselves. It's gonna be great. But we always ask on the show, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to promote? Anything you want people to hear or socials, anything?

• 1:29:40Speaker 03

  I would love for you to come listen to Celebrity Book Club with Chelsea Devantez. Um, and we recap and celebrate and talk about, uh, celebrity female memoirs. Lacey's episode is one of my favorite. It's a great place to start. And you can also find me on Instagram at Chelsea Devantez. I did try on a lot of wedding dresses. I, I talk about it on Instagram.

• 1:29:59Laci Mosley?

  She looks fantastic. Did you save a post of it?

• 1:30:02Speaker 03

  I did. It's a highlight. It's a highlight. So if you'd like to see.

• 1:30:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay. I was like, you have to make it a highlight.

• 1:30:06Speaker 03

  All the dresses that almost scams me. It is in my highlights.

• 1:30:09Laci Mosley?

  And she looks fantastic. Oh, please guys, go there. She puts up the best visual content of the beautiful, brilliant queen. Get, get your highs, uh, your eye highs. Uh, as always, guys, follow me at D I B A L A C I diva Lacey on all platforms. If you want to follow the show, see all the photos, et cetera. Follow Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. Um, also on Twitter. I mostly just talk to you guys on Twitter though. And then, um, yeah, I think that's all congregation. You know, get out here and start. If you go going, stay Schemin.

• 1:30:44Speaker 03

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Fais and researched by Kaylin Brandt. Stay scheming.

• 1:31:01Speaker 05

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