CON-gressman George Santos w/ Brittany Luse [Re-Release]

CON-gregation, US Rep. George Santos' sentencing has been delayed so he can keep making podcasts! What?! Here's a refresher on this fraudster with a legitimate podcast host Brittany Luse (NPR’s It’s Been A Minute A Minute) joining Laci to discuss the disgraced former CON-gressman, who is making history as the most fraudulent politician to have been elected to Congress. Plus, a man who has been using Chance the Rapper’s name to scam two victims out of tens of thousands of dollars has been arrested. Stay Schemin! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Brittany Luse: @bmluse Research done by Kaelyn Brandt. SOURCES https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/accused-con-artist-arrested-after-cbs-2-investigation/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/12/nyregion/george-santos-donors-fund-raising.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/nyregion/george-santos-ny-republicans.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/01/13/george-santos-everything-the-embattled-congressman-has-lied-about/?sh=357d28854557 https://nypost.com/2022/12/26/rep-elect-george-santos-admits-fabricating-key-details-of-his-bio/ https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/01/george-santos-the-luckiest-liar-in-politics.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/13/nyregion/george-santos-republicans-lies.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/story/2023-01-14/george-santos-election-fraud https://www.npr.org/2023/01/17/1149491284/martin-luther-king-mlk-statue-boston-consternation-laughs-reaction-coretta

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 2:14Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? We're back with another installment of Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We will see. I'm your host, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, and I'm very what? Yes, excited. Come on, wasn't that intro fire? No, you didn't speed it up. I'm just talking fast. But, y'all, I am extremely excited for this guest today. Today, we have an award-winning journalist, honey. Y'all know I'm not a journalist, but we got a journalist on the show, okay? On-air host and culture critic. She previously hosted the podcast The Nod and for colored nerds with friend of the show Eric Eddings. Y'all know that episode was popping. She is the current host of NPR'S It's Been a Minute, taking over from another friend of the show, Sam Sambis.

• 2:59Laci Mosley?

  Yes, congregation, please, give a warm welcome to Brittany Luse. Hi, Brittany.

• 3:06Speaker 04

  Hello, Lacey. I'm so happy to be here. You don't even know.

• 3:09Laci Mosley?

  I'm so happy. Have you? We were just chit-chatting before we started. I was like, oh, I guess we gotta start doing work, because we could sit here all damn day. I was like, and another thing.

• 3:19Speaker 04

  I'm so excited. Honestly, I, once you told me who this episode's gonna be about, I just feel so fucking highly favored right now.

• 3:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, listen, I feel highly favored as well, because I'm so glad that we have you for this episode. Y'all have, you know what? I guess y'all be able to tell from the title, but y'all have been tagging me in this. Listen, the congregation don't play. They don't play. They got testimonies, they sending ravens, carrier pigeons with little backpacks. They're like, if you don't do this episode. And we're doing it. See, I stood and said, look at me. But Brittany, before we even get into the things, the exciting things, this is also exciting. But we always ask on the show, what is your relationship with scams? Have you been scammed? Have you ever run a scam that's passed the statute of Do you love him? Do you hate him? It could literally be anything.

• 4:07Speaker 04

  I have never really, blessedly, other than like any man that I've dated, I haven't been scammed.

• 4:13Laci Mosley?

  Every man is a scam.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  I've never been scammed. And then I was like, oh, never mind. Um, yeah, no, other than that, I haven't really been scammed. And like even one time, somebody tried to, this maybe 12 years ago, somebody tried to lift, you know, like, you know how like they'll have those card readers or whatever at like a fast food place? And they'll like take your info and try to like buy stuff with it.

• 4:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they'll copy your card or the.

• 4:40Speaker 04

  Yes, somebody tried to copy my card at a KFC about 12 years ago.

• 4:44Laci Mosley?

  Not the KFC.

• 4:45Speaker 04

  Laughs on them because I only had $6 in my account. So they tried to buy gas.

• 4:50Laci Mosley?

  Gas?

• 4:52Speaker 04

  I wasn't even buying gas. Why did you think you were gonna buy gas? Like, what?

• 4:57Laci Mosley?

  Trying to buy petroleum? Oh, they wild.

• 5:00Speaker 04

  They wild. I know. I'm like, what do you think this is? Eggs? Like, you think I'm rich?

• 5:03Laci Mosley?

  Right. You're going to Gucci? Gucci gas? No, we don't pay for that.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I haven't really been scammed. And I haven't really run scams. I mean, aside from like, lying at like different office jobs. Like, if I had a boring office job, sometimes I would just tell my boss like, oh, I need to go to, I'd say Walgreens to buy like pantyhose or something like that, or tampons, or something else that I knew that he didn't want to hear about or ask about. And then I would like go on a date. I'd go hang out with my friends.

• 5:35Laci Mosley?

  Not a work date.

• 5:37Speaker 04

  Middle of the day. Actually, one time I went with Eric, I think a long time ago to get like, he was picking up an engagement ring. And I was like, oh, I'll meet you in the diamond district. Like, absolutely no problem. I can be gone for two hours. Like, say no more. Um, but that's not really a scam. That's just being strategic, I think, and like using time management.

• 5:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, as we all should.

• 5:57Speaker 04

  As we all should.

• 5:58Laci Mosley?

  I love that though, Brittany. I love that you were going up to your boss. You're like, hey, so I'm bleeding. Out of the, my, I'm shedding my uterine lining right now. He was like, okay, don't tell me anything else. All right, but I'll be back in three hours. I'm going to see Avatar.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  Literally, I was like Ava from Abbott Elementary. That was like how I acted at so many of my office jobs. But you know what, though? I persevere. And since I've been a journalist, I've actually been very upstanding. And I have, I have the references to prove it. But no, actually, I'm not that big into scammers. My husband loves them.

• 6:32Laci Mosley?

  Why are you whispering? He on right now?

• 6:34Speaker 04

  He is. He's in the next room over.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  No, he, he loves them. He's always watching American Greed. He is always listening to Dateline. I had never listened to the Dateline podcast before until we were on a drive back from Massachusetts last summer. And it was just like scam after lie after cheat after, and I ate it up. But he's gotten me since into, like, he was the first person I knew who was really like on the Elizabeth Holmes situation. Like, if there's a new scammer, he knows about it. He knows who they are. He's heard about it. And he usually is the person telling me.

• 7:07Laci Mosley?

  Lizzie is a scam superstar. So, okay, I, I, I flatter your husband. I like your husband.

• 7:12Laci Mosley?

  Tell him to watch The Con on ABC. There's lots of scams and I'm on it.

• 7:17Laci Mosley?

  But, um, no, I love that. I mean, I think that there's a general fascination with scams that's increased right now. Because, one, everyone loves true crime, but I like that we can do true crime without the murder and the gore. Because I just personally don't want to talk about some nice white lady getting murdered on her walk home. I think that's just, it's, it's real. It's people's lives. It's so, you know.

• 7:40Speaker 04

  Because it makes me think I'm gonna get, you know, I'm saying like bludgeon, murder, stalk, beaten. And like, I don't want to think about that. I can't do true crime because it stresses me out.

• 7:50Laci Mosley?

  You know, that's the exact opposite for most people. I'll say that there's an interest in true crime too. Because when you're watching it, I think we all, I'm gonna whisper, guys, because this is a little secret. I think we all kind of have this thought into crime that like, when we watch something, we're like, oh, now I'm learning all the things not to do. So this doesn't happen to me. That's what it is.

• 8:12Speaker 04

  That's what people say. And for me, I'm like, no, I'm sitting there. I'm like, you know what? My dumb ass would. And so let me not even get caught up. Actually, no, there's a lot of things that, like, I'm not like horror movie bad. You know, where like people in horror movies, we're just like, girl.

• 8:27Laci Mosley?

  Who is that? Quit playing.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  I think it's completely alone. Yeah, no, they're always just completely fucking things up. I'm not that bad.

• 8:35Laci Mosley?

  No, we're not investigating. Why would we don't investigate? I hear a sound.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  No, I don't need to know.

• 8:39Laci Mosley?

  I see people running, I'm running with them. I'll figure out why we running when we get there.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 8:44Laci Mosley?

  I'm not gonna wait around.

• 8:44Speaker 04

  Cause I'm gonna get there.

• 8:45Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm, wherever we're going, whatever direction.

• 8:48Speaker 04

  I'm arriving, yeah. But yeah, no, I don't like murder and stuff like that. It stresses me out.

• 8:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Same, same. Yeah, and that's really why I love doing a scam podcast because we get to warn each other, but we also get to laugh. And sometimes there's nasty people, but you know, we get past it. But before we get into our next segment, what's hot in fraud? We're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements. Scams!

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• 10:23Speaker 01

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• 10:39Speaker 02

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• 11:10Laci Mosley?

  And we're back and it's time for What's Hot and Fraud. This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams and the zeitgeist. Or more often than not, we get a letter from you guys as always, snitching your friends, your family, and your enemies at [email protected]. Just make sure your scam is retired so we don't what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Amen. Brittany, I just need a fake name from you. It could be anything. We don't care about gender.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  A fake name? Um, Selena.

• 11:33Laci Mosley?

  Selena, oh, like Salinas and Latinos.

• 11:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, literally. I have a Selena children's book that I got for my niece.

• 11:40Laci Mosley?

  Ooh.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Like, last year, like, in, like, a tizzy. I was like, oh, this looks so good. I'm gonna buy it for her. And then I, like, obviously, like, you know, she sadly passes away at the end of the book. I thought it was gonna be a book about like-

• 11:52Laci Mosley?

  They put it in the book?

• 11:53Speaker 04

  I, right. I thought they were just gonna say, oh, this is a powerful, you know-

• 11:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it was supposed to be her doing the washing machine.

• 12:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, like, biddy, biddy, bamba.

• 12:01Laci Mosley?

  Bumbia.

• 12:03Speaker 04

  And then they were like, they really put it in there. I said, I can't give this to her. My niece is just about to turn five. I can't, I can't tell her.

• 12:09Laci Mosley?

  That's not a children's book. They put Yolanda Saldivar up in there? That ain't right.

• 12:13Speaker 04

  Literally. So now it's my book.

• 12:15Laci Mosley?

  You know she's supposed to get out of jail this year?

• 12:17Speaker 04

  I...

• 12:18Laci Mosley?

  I'm trying to figure out where-

• 12:20Speaker 04

  I know, I'm-

• 12:20Laci Mosley?

  I'm trying to figure out where we're supposed to be. So I could be like, come outside. We ain't gonna jump you.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  I just, I, you know, she, she gonna have to figure it out. That's all I can say.

• 12:32Laci Mosley?

  I don't know what she's gonna do with her life, because since we know. Also, I feel bad for the actress who played Yolanda Saldivar, because I think that ruined her career, because she did it a little too good. And then we all started looking at her like she was Yolanda-

• 12:44Speaker 04

  No, you know what? I think she passed a few years ago.

• 12:48Laci Mosley?

  No, really?

• 12:49Speaker 04

  Look at Onti Vero, so I think that's, I'm pretty sure that's who played her. I'm pretty sure that's who played her. Um, she was a sweet lady. I mean, from what I saw, from what I understand, I mean, like, but she really acted because like you said, she played her a little too good.

• 13:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she acted down and I felt bad. Yeah. The next thing I saw her in was like This Christmas and I was like, oh, I'm glad that she getting some more roles because I'm so bad. She did it too good. It was like Laurence Fishburne and what's love got to do with it. It was like, now we just, when we think of.

• 13:19Speaker 04

  It's just like, the wigs in that film worked in his favor, I think. I think the wigs kind of kept it. So it's like, okay, Ike Turner is a character in this film because he.

• 13:29Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. When I close my eyes, like when I really think I can see Ike Turner, but the first face is Laurence Fishburne. So you gotta be careful playing villains.

• 13:37Speaker 04

  Sometimes you can be too talented.

• 13:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you can't do it too good. They did it too good and now I think of them. I honestly, I don't even know what Yolanda Saldivar looks like. I think of the actress.

• 13:50Laci Mosley?

  She did it too good. She's so talented. But okay, so Selena. So Selena says, Lacey, my parasocial love, I wanted to give the rest of my, the rest of the congregation a warning about a common scam. We broke people are feuding off on Facebook. Why you gotta say we broke?

• 14:08Laci Mosley?

  Listen, inflation is high.

• 14:10Speaker 04

  This background info.

• 14:13Laci Mosley?

  And it's made up. It's a scam. When I saw that, what was that, Congress where she had that big like, uh, pie chart up and how like, most of inflation right now is corporate greed. I was like, ah.

• 14:25Speaker 04

  It's like, um, let's, let's pause that. Can we spend some more time on, I want to vote on this.

• 14:30Laci Mosley?

  Right. They were like, milk is nine dollars because of the economy. It's like, no, you're raising the price. And heavy air quotes. Nah, we didn't do this. The economy did it.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  Like it's a tribunal somewhere, like it's out of our control.

• 14:45Laci Mosley?

  Fruity Pebbles is $10 because of the economy.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  Wait, how much are eggs where you live?

• 14:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, man, I don't know, actually. And that's not because I just.

• 14:55Speaker 04

  Is it like an Oprah thing when you just haven't been in the, you're so rich, you haven't been in the grocery store?

• 14:58Laci Mosley?

  No, it's not.

• 15:00Speaker 04

  Is that, is, it's not?

• 15:01Laci Mosley?

  No, it's a trifling thing of like, I need to go to the grocery store.

• 15:06Laci Mosley?

  I just been eating at work, going to sleep, that's it. But I do know that like last time I went to the grocery store. And I thought like, I was like, I, I got a reward from Postmates that was like, you get a month of free showtime. I said, a month of free showtime? Oh, I don't give y'all too much money. What?

• 15:22Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 15:23Laci Mosley?

  I was unlocking like secret levels on Postmates.

• 15:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:26Laci Mosley?

  That's when I was like, I gotta go to grocery store. And I messed up and I went to the worst grocery store you can go to without a list, Target. And I left there. It's not even, it's not even really a grocery store.

• 15:38Speaker 04

  No.

• 15:41Laci Mosley?

  Something to eat in the corner. I went in there, I was like, oh, I need all of this. The first thing I put in my cart was eyelashes. And I was like, this is not what I came for.

• 15:51Speaker 04

  You can't, there's no protein in those.

• 15:54Laci Mosley?

  Yo, and I had a black lady auntie check me out. What she talking about? When I finished, she was like, oh, we gonna have to restock the shelves. I said, sweet, now you don't have to do me like this.

• 16:04Speaker 04

  Oh, no. Her calling you greedy.

• 16:07Laci Mosley?

  She read me and it was expensive. I was like, oh my God. And also Target's the worst place to buy groceries. I love Target. If they sponsor the show, I, I love Target. So on average right now, thank you, super producer Judith Karkbo. Uh, the price of eggs in LA is $7.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  I paid $7 for eggs, uh, yesterday and I, I'm gonna treasure each one. I'm gonna savor each egg. Like it's the last one I'll ever get.

• 16:32Laci Mosley?

  I was born with eggs. They shouldn't cost that much. Mine were free.

• 16:37Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 16:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, okay, third eye.

• 16:39Speaker 04

  I had to tap my third eye for that one. Wow.

• 16:45Speaker 04

  Message.

• 16:46Laci Mosley?

  Message. So Selena says that she's trying to warn the congregation about some scams on Facebook, which we all know Facebook is ripe for scams, the age demographic there, they know what they're doing. So like so many of us, I'm all about decluttering and selling my stuff when I need some coin. Cause apparently I'm best at cleaning my own apartment only when I'm getting paid for it. A self scam. I get that. I, I'm there. So the thing is, I ditched all social media a few years ago for my health. Oh, look at you.

• 17:16Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 17:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, man, I bet that their third eye is open.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  I know. Oh.

• 17:22Laci Mosley?

  I need to get, I can't get rid of social media, but I kind of.

• 17:25Speaker 04

  Selena's my role model at this point.

• 17:27Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Write the book, Selena. But I left my Facebook profile alive solely for the sake of private sales through the marketplace. I don't have a Meta owned app on my phone, all due to the educating you do on this pod. Oh, okay, yes. And then all caps, everyone is sus by default. You're not wrong. Okay?

• 17:45Speaker 04

  Be suspicious.

• 17:47Laci Mosley?

  Okay, always look over your shoulder. That's what we teach you. So, but avoiding social media means it's easier for me to arrange sales through text for us upright pores. Why you, Selena?

• 18:01Speaker 04

  What?

• 18:02Laci Mosley?

  Why you calling yourself a poor in here? We all poor. We live in America. Okay, only 1% are rich. The rest of us are paying to keep this bitch afloat, okay? 1% are rose on the door and the rest of us is jack freezing on the side of it.

• 18:23Laci Mosley?

  We feel you. So it says for us upright pores, we're used to selling our stuff and it's not weird to exchange contacts historically. So I will say, I still have a TV that I bought off Facebook Marketplace. Like, you know when people are moving and they're just like, we gotta get rid of this.

• 18:40Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh, they don't even care who take, they'll give it to you for anything.

• 18:43Laci Mosley?

  That's how I got a TV. And I showed up, got the TV and it was in great condition. It still works. I got the TV like seven years ago.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  That's why I got a patio set. I got a patio set from like Facebook Marketplace for like, it was like six chairs, a table and umbrella. It was like a hundred and thirty bucks.

• 18:59Laci Mosley?

  Oh damn, yeah.

• 19:00Speaker 04

  You know, I found out a scam, here's a scam, patio furniture and indoor furniture cost the same. What the fuck's that about?

• 19:06Laci Mosley?

  That makes no sense.

• 19:07Speaker 04

  I can't even get into it.

• 19:08Laci Mosley?

  You would think that the, I don't, I feel like the outdoor furniture should be cheaper, but then it also needs to be like weatherproof.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 19:15Laci Mosley?

  So I, I don't know.

• 19:16Speaker 04

  I, you know, I, I, that's what they want you to think. And I don't, I'm not buying it. It's, I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. You have to cover it. How weatherproof is it?

• 19:24Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you did buy it. You did. Well, okay, but you got it at discount.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  Yes, exactly. Second hand.

• 19:32Laci Mosley?

  And, and listen, I love a, I love a steal, I love a deal. So, when Annie, in quotes, whose profile is a smiley young woman, wanted to buy a cute Ikea cart off of me for twenty dollars, I was just so happy to arrange a quick sale. She asked for my phone number, saying she's not on Facebook much. And let me tell you, as a social media avoider, this really got me. It's fucking, it's fucking annoying to do Facebook when you hate Facebook. Fair. So she was like, let's get to the point, let's text. I get that. Let's get to the point. So I gave her my number and minutes later was texted a Google Voice verification code. Oh, hell no, says Selena. So I will say, I looked this up, and in the US,

• 20:16Laci Mosley?

  if you get a Goog- I have a Google Voice number. It's not my real number. But in the US, you can make your Google Voice number your real number. I looked it up.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  Why? But you want to do that?

• 20:29Laci Mosley?

  So here's why. So, Selena said, I reported that shit immediately and looked up the scam. Apparently what they do is they target sellers on Marketplace and use Google Voice to impersonate the seller. If they get the verification code, they can link your phone number to their account and access your contacts to further scam them. An update on a classic, calling someone's granny for money, but this time the scammer is calling from your real verified phone number.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  That's a good scam.

• 20:56Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm, so be careful out there. Don't give out verification codes to anyone, even if they insist on getting it to prove you're real. And then they put some screenshots of the conversation here. Annie, smiley ass Annie, the scammer was like, hey, I interested to pick it up. Or, oh, no. See, I tried, my brain tried to make sense of this. I'm gonna read it as it lays.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 21:18Laci Mosley?

  They're, they're definitely in another country and maybe going through a translator. Hey, I interested to pick up it. When are you available? And then- Poor Selena didn't notice these typos said wonderful today after six is good or tomorrow after four P M.

• 21:36Speaker 04

  Selena so ready to sell. She was ready to sell the look heart. I feel you, girl. I feel you. You thought you had a sale.

• 21:42Laci Mosley?

  That's the desktop meter. You're like, look, I got a sale. It's quick. Let's do it. But I would have been confused by that first, hey, I interested to pick up it.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  The it ending the sentence with it.

• 21:56Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, people have language barriers. When I speak Spanish, I know I sound like this. So that doesn't bother me as much, but it's like, I don't know. There's too many typos in there for me.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying. It's too many and like the way that the it is the subject of that sentence. In addition to the typos and it being in like at the very end of the sentence, that to me is just like, it's like. I only speak English. I'm constantly typing things into Google Translate. And I'm just saying, like, I know, like you said, I know that's how I sound. So I'm just kind of like that combined with Google Voice link. The, the real, the hu- the hurry, hurry, trying to be on Facebook and all this and that. There's too many things that are not quite adding up.

• 22:47Laci Mosley?

  The math is not math. And the other text that they screenshot says, okay, cash or Venmo. And then Selena says, cash preferred, but honestly, either is fine. Can you make it today? Selena's trying to get that twenty. She's like, give me that twenty twin twin.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  I get it.

• 23:01Laci Mosley?

  Annie in quotes says, okay, there's a comma, but no space. It says, okay. I am not active Facebook all time. Period. No space. Please give me your contact number. I will call you. So.

• 23:19Laci Mosley?

  Y'all, watch out for typos. Look, we all have grammatical errors, but if you see too many typos, it's probably somebody from another country running everything through a translating device, which always gives us poor translation. Like, Google Translate be fronting, like they actually know what they're talking about.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  Not what they, it's not giving what they say it's going to give. As somebody who's said plenty. Of emails to try to um get hotel reservations for vacation.

• 23:45Speaker 04

  I know I have sent some very Annie like messages. Trying to seem like, I'm trying to be helpful, call myself trying to be helpful.

• 23:54Laci Mosley?

  Somebody in Germany is getting emailed from me like, I'll be there saying, one bed house, please.

• 24:01Laci Mosley?

  Four nights to sleep pillow.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  You're welcome. Yeah, they're like, okay, girl. But yeah, I generally feel like, cause you know, I like between my work email, personal email, and also to my phone. I switched phone numbers like less than a year ago and um I stopped getting my old scammers. Like I started getting new scammers, new text message scams and all this sort of stuff like that. My real thumb is if I'm seeing three typos in a sentence, something's not right. Cause usually autocorrect will help you out in a pinch. So if I'm seeing three typos in a sentence from a a very strange number. It's just letting me know that there's nothing wrong with my auto insurance.

• 24:43Laci Mosley?

  And autocorrect will give you like, this ain't subject verb agreement. Subjects and verbs is disagreeing, they in a fisticuffs, let us help you. Like they'll, they'll do a lot and sometimes it's wrong, but they'll do a lot to help you. So I'm like, this was run through a translator and copy pasted. So as we say, look y'all, check the emails. Does the Amazon have a zero for an O? Like just check everything. The type, like the, how they're typing, the font they're typing in to see if it's legit. And if they're asking for information, nobody really needs to ask you for information that they don't have. Unless you're like filling out paperwork for a job. Unless there's some incentive that like you are doing. If somebody randomly asks you for information, don't give it to them.

• 25:25Laci Mosley?

  And I'm glad that um Selena realized this was a scam and did not participate because what? But tell y'all's grannies and y'all grandpas, I'm telling y'all, if y'all not gonna call them, at least help them not get scammed. Cause you're not gonna get no inheritance.

• 25:40Speaker 04

  That's true, that's true. Somebody else will be living off of it.

• 25:43Laci Mosley?

  If you're not calling them, the scammers are.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  That's, oh wow, that one, that's deep. You're not calling them scammers, wow.

• 25:51Laci Mosley?

  If you ain't calling pop pops.

• 25:52Speaker 04

  Listen, the scammers, the scammers are, okay? He's feeling loved by the robbery community, okay? I mean, you know what, though? I have to say, if you go through the channels of, you know, really building up a little, a little confidence, you know, between you and the person, it's kind of like, I don't know. You're giving him, you're giving him a listening ear. You're giving him some shine.

• 26:13Laci Mosley?

  Maybe you earned it?

• 26:15Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying. I'm like, maybe you earned it. Maybe you earned it.

• 26:17Laci Mosley?

  You should get paid. But this is a, I haven't heard of this. I haven't heard of people, because making a Google Voice. And so I researched it before I read it. And I was, and in the U.S., you can make your number, your Google Voice number. So this is effective.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow. That was, that's news I can use. Thank you so much, thank you, Selena.

• 26:40Laci Mosley?

  News I can use, I'm stealing that. I said it, y'all remember that differently.

• 26:46Laci Mosley?

  Remember I said that?

• 26:50Laci Mosley?

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• 28:43Laci Mosley?

  And we are back. And y'all know who we're talking about. Congressman George Santos.

• 28:57Laci Mosley?

  Maybe that's his name.

• 29:00Laci Mosley?

  First of his name.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  First of his name.

• 29:03Laci Mosley?

  Maybe made it. And look at this man. Look at this smile. How did people not know that this man was a criminal from this Congress photo? Because it's giving, I don't know how I got here.

• 29:15Speaker 04

  No, I love, literally, he's smiling so hard. All however many muscles of his cheeks are working overtime. Okay, he feels so good. He feels so good.

• 29:28Laci Mosley?

  I know this was a high. He was like, I can't believe they let me up in here.

• 29:32Speaker 04

  Anybody who's ever lied to call out sick from work has felt, I think, a little bit of this, that sort of like, ooh, I got him. I got him. He's feeling that on like the ultimate.

• 29:43Laci Mosley?

  It's the got him smile. Honestly, I'm looking at it and it's giving me joy. I don't know why, but like, I'm getting secondhand joy from his smile.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  Oh, it feels, something about it.

• 29:56Laci Mosley?

  Got you bitch.

• 29:57Speaker 04

  It just, it feels good. It feels good. The joy is palpable, I'll say. The joy, the photo's emanating joy.

• 30:04Laci Mosley?

  Okay, come on, Scammer Boy Joy. I, I, I, I try to live right now. Let's see if I'm gonna continue to live. So Congressman George Santos made history as the first openly gay non-incumbent Republican elected to the House of Representatives. He also is making history as the most fraudulent politician to have been elected to Congress.

• 30:26Laci Mosley?

  We need a statue. I want a statue of that smile.

• 30:29Speaker 04

  But where would it be?

• 30:30Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, I don't know. Put it in Boston next to that terrible MLK statue.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  I can't speak on this statue. You know what, I don't have any, I don't have anything kosher to say about that statue. I'm not gonna speak on it.

• 30:44Laci Mosley?

  Brittany, you be redacted, you be redacted, but I'mma go ahead and put it on wax. That statue is weird, y'all, we all know it's weird. It's like, from certain angles, it looks like somebody's going down on somebody. And then from other angles, it's like, why is the head cut off? And also like, can we just get rights? We don't, we just want equality, we don't need no more statues. Like, when they do Confederate statues, it'd be like a whole dude, a whole racist on a horse. And the horse is bucking and stuff, you see his whole face, and it's like, general hate the blacks. And like, there's a plaque, but then we get like a random weird bronze, huge hug.

• 31:24Laci Mosley?

  I don't, of course it's in Boston, I'm sorry, I'm dragging it, cuz I saw it and I was like, no ma'am, no ma'am.

• 31:32Speaker 04

  I, it's one of those things where it's just like, I've been so curious, cuz I mean, as soon as I saw it.

• 31:40Speaker 04

  My mind went to a place I'm not gonna take it. I'm not gonna take my mouth to the place that my mind went.

• 31:45Laci Mosley?

  You walk that tightrope, Brittany, cuz you're a journalist, okay? I am unserious.

• 31:50Speaker 04

  So I, but I saw it and I-

• 31:52Laci Mosley?

  Why Judith pull it up over here? I'll post it on the Instagram.

• 31:56Speaker 04

  Not only this is the thing, y'all can't see this, but there's a Zoom, we're talking through Zoom. And, yes, and literally Judith is scrolling, so that I can see it.

• 32:06Laci Mosley?

  Look how many bad angles there are.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  Oh, it's just so, it's one of those things where I just wonder, like, you wonder how these things come together. There was no point at which someone was like, you know, from a certain angle, it's kinda giving not what you want to give.

• 32:25Laci Mosley?

  And you know they looked at it from every angle. I saw, I went on a deep dive, they had the whole like 3D printer mockup of this. Like, this is not an accident.

• 32:34Speaker 04

  Right. What happened? That's why I just, what happened? Maybe, I don't know, maybe the

• 32:42Laci Mosley?

  Is it feminist, like, if we all eat coochie, we'll be free?

• 32:50Speaker 04

  No comment. No comment.

• 32:54Speaker 04

  But I just, I I just don't know. Yeah, I just, nobody, it's one of those things where you just wonder, like, was there nobody who was, like, obviously a group of people commissioned this, right? And then somebody else made it. And the artist, I'm very familiar with the artist.

• 33:10Laci Mosley?

  Artist is black.

• 33:11Speaker 04

  And he's a fantastic artist. But it's one of those things where it's just like, was there nobody on either side of the equation that felt comfortable being like, I know y'all are feeling this?

• 33:21Laci Mosley?

  I will say objectively, like, when I saw the reference photos and stuff, it does look like it was supposed to look like. I think the art, he did the art. It's just that, it's just that, um.

• 33:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's just

• 33:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we gonna move on.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I mean,

• 33:44Speaker 04

  I mean emotionally, I'm never moving on from that, but, uh.

• 33:47Laci Mosley?

  Am I gonna take a picture in front of it? Absolutely.

• 33:49Speaker 04

  Next time, I have plenty of family in Boston. I will be back in front of their squatting.

• 33:54Laci Mosley?

  Squatting.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  The whole

• 33:55Laci Mosley?

  Okay, prayer hands.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  From the right angle too, from the, from the right angle that we all saw, from the

• 34:00Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna put them on my Black Power fist. To freedom.

• 34:04Laci Mosley?

  To freedom, okay? You'll never catch me talking publicly bad about this. Y'all didn't even hear this right now. Let me guess, like, y'all, y'all, that's not what I said. I said I loved it. I said I loved it.

• 34:16Speaker 04

  They're always judging black women and making us the scapegoat, and that's why your mind went there, so, stop.

• 34:22Laci Mosley?

  That's all, that's all it was. So, in 2020, George Santos, 34, ran in the district of Long Island in Queens against a congressman named Thomas Suzozi. He lost his first race and spent the following years raising money for a campaign against a new Democrat challenger, Robert Zimmerman. He won his race in 2022, flipping a previously Democratic seat. George is known for his praise of former President Donald Trump,

• 34:52Laci Mosley?

  his support of the January 6th riot, and for attending a far-right white supremacist GOP gala following his win. So he a pro for the man.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 35:05Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I love, I love oppression. That's my favorite thing. Also, this man is not white.

• 35:10Speaker 04

  No, he's, he's a gay Latino man. And it just seems like, um, none of the causes that you just, uh, none of the causes or the politicians that you just mentioned that he supported, they don't seem like they align with the sort of values that many marginalized people have for their lives, livelihood, insanity.

• 35:31Laci Mosley?

  Also, a lot of politics is theater. And some people, like the Candace Owens of the world have, because Candace used to be a liberal, she used to be a Democrat. And I think as a black woman in a sea of other black women who are speaking facts, and I can, I vote blue, but I, I also realize that most politicians are scammers, no matter what side of the line they're on. Um, I'm just voting like, we used to have merch that was for Joe Biden. It was a shot to the leg 2020, because he said, you know, maybe police should stop shooting people in the heart and maybe shoot them in the leg. And I was like, that's what we're voting for. Donald Trump's a shot to the heart, Joe Biden's a shot to the leg. So leg 2020, baby. Like, like, we're just trying to live, you know?

• 36:15Laci Mosley?

  So I, I get that people know that they can stand out by using this scam of like, I'm diverse, I'm, I'm Latinx and I'm also queer.

• 36:24Speaker 04

  There's money to make. There's money to make.

• 36:26Laci Mosley?

  To be had.

• 36:27Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:28Laci Mosley?

  And obviously, you know, George realized that and he cashed in. And I think that there are kind of two mindsets of people in this respect. Of like, there's people who are like, if we get out there, we can change the way that things are and we can make things better. And there's other people like, I got one life and this seems to be how shit is going, so I'm just gonna try to get mine. So, he was trying to get his.

• 36:54Speaker 04

  Uh, you know, I mean, I'm sure the coin on that side of the aisle for pulling those sorts of, um, 180 turns that we see a lot of people make, uh, or appearing to go against their own obvious self-interests.

• 37:11Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 37:12Speaker 04

  As people of color or queer people or, or people of other marginalized identities, I'm sure the money is good.

• 37:18Laci Mosley?

  I mean, Clarice Thompson was about to vote against interracial marriage and he married to a whole white lady.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 37:26Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Lord.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  Lord, and I'm a humdinger at that too, but yeah.

• 37:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, truly, but not surprising that we know this is Anita Hill. Eh, man ain't no good. So that's why he gonna live a long time. When you evil, you live good, you know?

• 37:42Laci Mosley?

  You got no stress, no stress, you got no empathy. So more recently, he's also known for fabricating almost every aspect of his personal and professional history. Just a small detail.

• 37:55Laci Mosley?

  So George Santos was born on July twenty second, not a cancer man.

• 37:58Speaker 04

  I was just gonna say, he's a cancer.

• 38:00Laci Mosley?

  I'm a cancer.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  I'm sorry, I'm a Scorpio, so I'm a fellow water sign, and people think that this is the type of stuff we do. But meanwhile, it's y'all.

• 38:08Laci Mosley?

  Okay, listen, it's the men, though.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  That's actually.

• 38:11Laci Mosley?

  The ones who identify as men, it's all of them.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  That's true. Hundred fifty percent true.

• 38:16Laci Mosley?

  Us, over here, we don't, we don't be getting down like that. If you, if you identify as a cancer man, you evil. You heard it here first.

• 38:28Laci Mosley?

  Yo people too, the Scorpio men also evil.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  Okay, I'll give you that, I'll give you that, actually, I'll give you that, I'll give you that.

• 38:36Laci Mosley?

  So he was born July twenty second, nineteen eighty eight, to Brazilian immigrants, Fatima de Volder and Jarsino Santos Junior. He was raised in Queens, New York, but as a teenager, he spent some time with his mother in Rio, in the suburb of Rio de Janeiro. His mother worked as a nurse, and in two thousand eight, at the age of nineteen, George stole the checkbook of a man she was caring for in order to make fraudulent purchases. They always start young.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  Wait, so the mom, okay.

• 39:04Laci Mosley?

  Was a nurse, she was taking care of people, and he was like, what's she take care of?

• 39:08Speaker 04

  Checkbook.

• 39:08Laci Mosley?

  Myself. He took the checkbook.

• 39:10Speaker 04

  Wait, he took the checkbook?

• 39:12Laci Mosley?

  Yes, he went to his mama nurse's job to bring your son to work day, and he, he said, I'm leaving with something. And left the checkbook.

• 39:22Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 39:23Laci Mosley?

  And we talk about that all the time on this podcast. You got kids who want to get in work. If they want to make a lemonade stand, you might have a criminal.

• 39:31Laci Mosley?

  Why they like money so much?

• 39:34Speaker 04

  So he's, how did this even become a part of his record? This is like the George.

• 39:39Laci Mosley?

  This is the beginning.

• 39:41Speaker 04

  Wow, okay. So he stole the checkbook.

• 39:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so two years later, he confessed to the crime and was charged. But today, the case remains unsolved after he disappeared from authorities. So he was like, it was me. And then he was like, me.

• 39:54Speaker 04

  Wait, I heard this story. I didn't realize he was that young, though, when he did that.

• 39:58Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 39:58Speaker 04

  And he confessed and they went after him?

• 40:01Laci Mosley?

  Well, he left.

• 40:05Laci Mosley?

  He, apparently he confessed to authorities and then was like, all right, well, I'm gonna head out.

• 40:11Laci Mosley?

  Court, no, we don't got to do all that. I cleared my conscience.

• 40:15Speaker 04

  Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay.

• 40:16Laci Mosley?

  So in addition to hiding his criminal past, George skewed several other personal details during his campaigns. Though he was born and raised Catholic, on his campaign website, he described his grandparents fleeing to Ukraine to escape anti-Jewish persecution during World War II.

• 40:33Speaker 04

  What?

• 40:33Laci Mosley?

  And later described himself as a non-observant Jew.

• 40:39Laci Mosley?

  So he said, I'm gay, I'm Latinx, Shabbat shalom.

• 40:48Laci Mosley?

  I'm Republican.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I feel like that's an easy, like, you know, okay, so this is the thing. So me and my husband have been talking about this.

• 40:59Speaker 04

  About being a dyed-in-the-wool scammer. I feel like when people like to run scams and they're of the dyed-in-the-wool variety, they tell those types of lies. Lies that are like, anybody, it's like if I just told you my name was Tiffany. It's very easy to find out that's not my name. It's very easy to find out that's not my name. That doesn't stop me from telling you that's my name.

• 41:21Laci Mosley?

  But think about the average person. We take information from people as face value. I don't Google people to see if that's their real name.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  No.

• 41:29Laci Mosley?

  I don't like do any research.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  But he's like a candidate, I think is the thing. You know what I'm saying?

• 41:33Laci Mosley?

  But how often are you Googling what a candidate says, other than like Politico or like fact checkers? How often are you Googling stuff that people say on the campaign stump to see if it's not true?

• 41:43Speaker 04

  Well, also too-

• 41:44Laci Mosley?

  Unless you have like a amazing liar like Herschel Walker, who's a natural born comedian. Then we're all looking into it because we're like, this is hilarious. This scandal is a sheriff.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  Also too, people don't necessarily, like, until you reach a certain level of public renown, people are not always going to dig in and actually find out, you know what I'm saying? They're not actually gonna always dig in and find out.

• 42:08Laci Mosley?

  And we have over 400, well, we have 435 congressmen?

• 42:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, we have a lot of people in the house.

• 42:13Laci Mosley?

  Nobody's looking into everybody in the House of Representatives unless you become a superstar like AOC or, you know, like, nobody's really checking. He's just some dude.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 42:24Laci Mosley?

  So both of his grandparents were actually born in Brazil, and George has since said, "I never claimed to be Jewish because I learned my maternal family had a Jewish background. I said I was Jewish."

• 42:35Speaker 04

  Um, wait, but you, that means you claimed to be Jewish?

• 42:40Laci Mosley?

  I never claimed to be Jewish. I just said I was Jewish. Y'all wild.

• 42:45Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I had a y'all call, but I, I ain't say all that. My hair was cold. I don't know. Y'all crazy.

• 42:53Speaker 04

  I'm gonna start lying like that. That's good. I like that. Just like, I'm gonna start just being like, you know what? I know that's what I said, but that's not what I said.

• 43:01Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I know that's what I said, but y'all heard it wrong.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  It's because you don't believe black women, and I don't have time for that.

• 43:06Laci Mosley?

  Mm, mm, and y'all gotta do better. Y'all need to start learning and growing. We could be so evil. Oh, so he has also claimed that he's biracial and his father is Angolan, though there's no evidence to support this. So now he's trying to bring, why am I in it?

• 43:23Speaker 04

  What? I was gonna say, like-

• 43:26Laci Mosley?

  Angola is in Africa, right?

• 43:28Speaker 04

  Angola is absolutely in Africa.

• 43:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I was like, yes. She was like, I'm also a black. I'm a black Jew and I'm Republican and I'm gay. And I'm also Latino. Well, actually.

• 43:44Laci Mosley?

  It's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 43:48Laci Mosley?

  So George has repeatedly claimed his mother's life was claimed by nine eleven, though she died of cancer in twenty sixteen. So nine eleven happened in two thousand one, bro, like, that's fifteen years. She died fifteen years later.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Why didn't he even, like, never mind the obvious fact, this is already disrespectful to people who actually did lose loved ones.

• 44:09Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  Right, on the September eleventh attacks, right? On top of it, why does the timeline not match up like that? Like, why, like, it'd be one thing if she passed in two thousand one and then he could, you know what I'm saying? Then it's like.

• 44:24Laci Mosley?

  No, you don't understand, Brittany, like, she died in two thousand one when nine eleven happened. She, but she did, she was breathing for fifteen more years, but really she had died at that moment.

• 44:37Speaker 04

  She died at that moment, and then she passed away in twenty sixteen.

• 44:40Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 44:44Laci Mosley?

  Y'all don't understand, y'all don't understand that.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  Like, it's a logic.

• 44:49Laci Mosley?

  What are you talking about? I went to middle school with a girl who, I'm not gonna say her name because I remember nine eleven. I remember I was like nine and the teachers like had the TVs on and then all of our parents picked us up early and it was like this whole thing. There were no planes in the sky. And I remember coming back to school the next day and this girl who like always really kind of wanted attention, she told us all that her uncle had died in nine eleven and she was lying. And we felt so bad for her and she was lying.

• 45:23Laci Mosley?

  Like, why would you lie about that?

• 45:25Speaker 04

  I mean, it's like so messed up to do that at nine, but at least you're also nine. Like, why are you?

• 45:30Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 45:30Speaker 04

  At thirty seven years old.

• 45:32Laci Mosley?

  Thirty four.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  Why are you doing that?

• 45:35Laci Mosley?

  Like, also, we can check to see if your mom, when your mama passed, like, there's death rec. What are you doing?

• 45:41Speaker 04

  You know, I, I just, like, this is the thing. I don't know. It's just, it's, it's like, it's a compulsion. You know what I'm saying? When you are a public figure and you're lying at the level where you're just making shit up that you know people can obviously look up and, and fucking say, oh, this isn't true. He's lying. Like, you, it's a compulsion. It's not about actually covering your ass.

• 45:59Laci Mosley?

  And you feel like this high. We saw his picture. We saw his picture. He was high off the line.

• 46:05Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 46:06Laci Mosley?

  He was suited, suited off the deception. He was like, woo! I done made it this far? That we doing a photo shoot? Sky's the limit. He was like, I'm gonna be president. Cause I mean, after you see Donald Trump become president, like,

• 46:21Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 46:22Laci Mosley?

  I know they used to tell kids, anything was possible, anybody could be president, but honestly, I really feel like Donald Trump becoming president really opened up the mind's eye of all the American children. They're like, damn, we can do anything.

• 46:34Speaker 04

  Anything's possible.

• 46:36Laci Mosley?

  This critical? Oh, okay. This orange bastard? Oh, wow. Okay, we all in there. We all in there. Anything can be possible. Y'all, y'all can go to the moon. So for the entirety of his political career, George has identified as a married gay man. However, it was not disclosed until December twenty twenty two that he had previously been married to a woman from twenty twelve to twenty nineteen. That's not uncommon. A lot of gay men marry women.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, lots of it. People, they change their mind or they, they learn new things about themselves. They want something else.

• 47:07Laci Mosley?

  Or they're bi or whatever, like, you know, like, whatever. So he divorced this woman twelve days before he officially filed his first congressional campaign. So he said, I'm not gay no more. Because he needed to. I'm not straight no more. He said, I'm not straight no more. I had to.

• 47:24Speaker 04

  Come out.

• 47:25Laci Mosley?

  I gotta get these votes. His wife was like, I'm so excited for the campaign. He was like, girl, you ain't gonna be there.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. Wait. So, wow. I mean, that was quick. I mean, he filed for divorce and was like, all right, new, new, new marriage to me.

• 47:41Laci Mosley?

  They were married for seven years and 12 days before his campaign, he hit her with the divorce papers.

• 47:48Speaker 04

  Have they talked to her? Because she's somebody I have. I just wanna, it's one of those things where I wanna be like, he's definitely shared some untruths. At a level that is like.

• 47:57Laci Mosley?

  For sure.

• 47:57Speaker 04

  That is so astronomical. This one's, I just wanna be like, is, like, did you ever know, did, did anything ever seem off to you? Did you ever send him to the store?

• 48:06Laci Mosley?

  She never met that man. She ain't never met that man.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  You think so?

• 48:11Laci Mosley?

  No. He, I think he was completely fabricating. And also, depending on what their dynamic was, obviously, he had run for Congress before. He was very busy.

• 48:21Speaker 04

  Right.

• 48:22Laci Mosley?

  You know, when you don't see people a lot, you only see them in small bursts or intervals. You can keep a lie up for a long time. There's no way in hell she knew that man.

• 48:33Laci Mosley?

  Girl, you sleeping with a stranger. Lifetime?

• 48:36Speaker 04

  I was just gonna say, lifetime. Lifetime. I, I smell a check.

• 48:40Laci Mosley?

  Mmm, girl, write the book. Sell it to Lifetime. Sell the, sell the script, because we wanna know what it was like living with him. So, his resume. At around the same time, he would have been in Brazil doing crime, George claims he was attending Baruch College, where he earned a bachelor's degree in finance and economics. On at least one campaign website, George also claimed to have attended New York University. He has since admitted that he never graduated from college, and both institutions have been unable to find records that he was ever a student. Well.

• 49:11Laci Mosley?

  Look, college is a scam. Nobody's looking for these diplomas. I got one. I don't know where it is.

• 49:16Speaker 04

  I know.

• 49:16Laci Mosley?

  I could've just said I went.

• 49:17Speaker 04

  Mine's at my parents' house and nobody, I've only been asked for proof of it. Once? And not for a job, like to join some like, I used to think I was gonna get an MBA. This is a lifetime ago. And in order to join a.

• 49:34Laci Mosley?

  All black women think about getting an MBA. It's like a rite of passage.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  It's a rite of passage. You, you get the practice books. You think you're gonna, like you take the, you take a practice.

• 49:43Laci Mosley?

  Is it GRi?

• 49:44Speaker 04

  GMAT. The GMAT.

• 49:45Laci Mosley?

  Oh, GMAT, GMAT.

• 49:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I take a little practice, GMAT. I forgot, I was going for a second. And then, yeah, and then you don't go. That's what happened to me. And that was the only, I think I was trying to get into like a pre, not even a pre MBA, like a pre. Like, it was like a program that helped black people learn to apply to business school and they asked for my transcripts.

• 50:08Speaker 04

  And, um, yeah, that was enough for me. I said, you know, I've sent them ones. I'm not doing that again.

• 50:12Laci Mosley?

  Right. What you talking about? Transcripts? I haven't done this since high school.

• 50:15Speaker 04

  No, nobody's asking that.

• 50:16Laci Mosley?

  No. You go to a job, they just believe that you went to whatever college. They're just trying to fill the position, you know? And if you're young out there, if you're, especially if you're entering the service industry, nobody wants you if you don't have any previous jobs, even though they have to trade you all the jobs. So just put some stuff on there.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  Put some stuff on there. They lie. Don't be honest about stuff like that.

• 50:36Laci Mosley?

  No, they're not gonna call. Don't worry about it. So after he graduated college, in quotes, George says he worked at Citigroup, a Wall Street investment banking company, as an associate asset manager. That's vague enough. However, not only did the company not confirm that he had worked there, Citigroup sold off its asset management operations in 2005. So he worked in a job that didn't exist. George, can you just do a Google? Like, Google is free, George. It'll tell you when nine 11 happened.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  It really will. Maybe he thought it was like September 11, 2016.

• 51:11Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 51:12Speaker 04

  I'm just like, I don't know. I don't know.

• 51:14Laci Mosley?

  Like, what are these extinct jobs, George? Were you a milkman? We ain't been delivering milk in, in I don't know how long.

• 51:21Speaker 04

  He's probably like, I, uh, he probably, he was like, actually, uh, I own several blockbusters. That's where I got, I got my, I got my wealth from. I own several blockbusters.

• 51:28Laci Mosley?

  To this day, to this day.

• 51:30Speaker 04

  And they're turning a profit.

• 51:34Laci Mosley?

  Listen, them ladies, they hitting.

• 51:38Laci Mosley?

  Sir. So after working at Citi, which he never did, George says he moved on to work at a hospitality technology company, Met Global, in addition to a brief stint at Goldman Sachs. Well, you've worked everywhere, George. Have you ever had a job? Because none of these are real. How did you make money? You had a whole wife. Like, you had to have been employed. So neither companies have been able to find proof of his employment, and George has since said his claims of involvement with them were worded poorly. When I said I worked there, y'all misinterpreted that. I said I've been to a Citibank.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  I've been to Citi Field. I went to Citi Field.

• 52:19Laci Mosley?

  Y'all got it confused.

• 52:20Speaker 04

  Just like, if you're gonna lie at this level, why not Google? If you're gonna tell stories, get them straight.

• 52:27Laci Mosley?

  If you're gonna be a professional liar, if you're gonna clock in to con every day at 9:00 a.m., like, please, just one quick search. Like, you don't even have to go to the several Os on Google. The first O gonna give you what you need. Please. No. So in an interview with WNYC, during which George was defending not calling out his homophobic Republican colleagues, he claimed that his company lost four employees during the 2016 Pulse nightclub shooting. So now you're attaching yourself to a tragedy that killed like over 50 people. Like, what are you doing? You already attached yourself to 9/11. Like, sir.

• 53:04Speaker 04

  Four employees?

• 53:06Laci Mosley?

  None of Pulse nightclub victims ever worked at a company George has worked at.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh.

• 53:11Laci Mosley?

  So he was really trying to keep up the sympathy. He was like, I'm gay, and I'm Jewish, and also I'm black.

• 53:18Speaker 04

  And also, like, my mother was killed in 9/11, and also I lost four employees to the Pulse nightclub. It's just like, it's like, yuck. Like, yuck.

• 53:31Laci Mosley?

  Like, are you just saying things at this point? It doesn't even feel like you thought these lies through. Like, did you prep these lies? You write them in your lie journal?

• 53:38Speaker 04

  That's, I don't, I just, what? Also, it's just that, again, it's all, it's so strange to keep telling these kind of lies.

• 53:46Laci Mosley?

  I just mean, listen, he was doing political theater. He saw what everybody else was doing. He said, I'm gonna do y'all one.

• 53:51Speaker 04

  I'm gonna do that too.

• 53:53Laci Mosley?

  So, animal rescue charity, good lord. In 2013, at the same time George claimed to have been climbing the ranks of Wall Street, he founded Friends of Pets United. Friends of Pets would later be used during his congressional campaign as proof of his history of philanthropic work during 2013 to 2018. According to IRS records, the group never held a tax exempt status and was never registered as a charity despite George's claims of otherwise.

• 54:20Laci Mosley?

  In 2017, Friends of Pets held one fundraiser with a New Jersey animal rescue group. The event was ticketed at fifty dollars a ticket and promised drinks, a live band, and donated raffle items. So he held one event. He said, that's enough for a charity. I held one event.

• 54:37Speaker 04

  He, but he was running charity for what, like five years?

• 54:40Laci Mosley?

  One event. He, okay, look, he stretched it a little bit, you know, they did do one charity event, okay?

• 54:49Speaker 04

  They just fundraised really good that one time, really good.

• 54:52Laci Mosley?

  They got all they needed. The, the pets were good after that.

• 54:57Laci Mosley?

  Fido was like, ah, ah, and they were like, we're good.

• 55:00Speaker 04

  We're good. We have enough friends.

• 55:02Laci Mosley?

  We got enough Al Po and Friskies for all the girls. We don't need to come back. So however, the event's beneficiary never received any of the funds, shocker. Only excuses from George as to why they weren't sent.

• 55:17Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 55:18Laci Mosley?

  He said, I was raising awarenesses. Y'all got at least a hundred fifty awarenesses. I didn't say I was gonna give you money.

• 55:27Speaker 04

  And so I'm done.

• 55:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Oh, you thought we was raising money for charity? No, no, no, we was just letting y'all, them know about y'all.

• 55:34Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 55:36Laci Mosley?

  This man, oh, a criminal. So at the same time, George had money problems. In November 2015, the landlord of his Whitestone Queens apartment filed an eviction claim suit, claiming that George owed $2,250 in unpaid rent.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  Wait, 2,000, wait, 2,250?

• 55:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that seems like one month.

• 55:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's more expensive to take somebody to court for, for, for one back month of rent than to just.

• 56:01Laci Mosley?

  I mean, it's Queens, maybe it was like 600.

• 56:04Speaker 04

  Maybe, I mean, I don't know. That would be like. Queens is expensive now, I can't move to Queens.

• 56:09Laci Mosley?

  No, Queens is expensive now, but I think.

• 56:12Speaker 04

  Oh, maybe back then.

• 56:13Laci Mosley?

  This is 2015, so it was a little cheaper.

• 56:15Speaker 04

  A little, a slight, a slight, slightly, slightly. But yeah, that's still, but 2,250 is, I still feel like it's not enough money to go to court over, but okay.

• 56:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's not.

• 56:26Speaker 04

  It's not.

• 56:26Laci Mosley?

  Like, where did y'all go, Judge Judy?

• 56:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:29Laci Mosley?

  Small claims under 5,000?

• 56:31Speaker 04

  They'll pay it for everything, so actually it's not a bad idea.

• 56:33Laci Mosley?

  True.

• 56:34Speaker 04

  Please, somebody, please, somebody, please call the Judge Judy Reckless to find out if he was ever on it. I need to know, I need to.

• 56:40Laci Mosley?

  I feel like he would be.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  Need to know.

• 56:42Laci Mosley?

  I think he'd be like, I got a proposition for you. Let's go to LA to sell this.

• 56:49Laci Mosley?

  So in May of 2017, George was evicted once more from a rent stabilized apartment in Sunnyside, Queens, after owing more than 10,000 in unpaid rent and bouncing a check. In 2017, you were writing checks and people were accepting them?

• 57:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, what? Also, with what?

• 57:06Laci Mosley?

  Do you have checks?

• 57:07Speaker 04

  With what money? Like, I, the, of all the things, this is the thing, all the things that you've told me, I'm, I'm hearing claims from him and then I'm hearing a lot of evidence that makes it sound like everything he said is not true. So my question is, where's the paycheck coming from? Where are the paychecks coming from?

• 57:25Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if he's getting them, he's making up all his jobs, he making up his rent, everything's false.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  Dang.

• 57:31Laci Mosley?

  But by 2021, George had claimed he was an owner and landlord of 13 properties, so. He started fighting with his landlord. He was like, this could be my new profession. Be a fake landlord.

• 57:43Speaker 04

  Just start hitting people up and be like, actually, you owe me, you owe me rent.

• 57:47Laci Mosley?

  Right. George, what's it like to be a landlord? Listen, it's a lot of, you know, pipes be bursting, A C. Uh.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  Changing light bulbs.

• 57:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, lots of light bulb work. I'm like, okay, this is enough. We believe you. He even ran his campaign on housing issues and landlord rights and complained that his tenant did not pay rent during the year of the pandemic. Rent moratorium. So you know, they like suspended rent for a little bit during the pandemic. So I love how he's projecting. He's like, I'm taking all the angry emails my landlord sent them and now I'm rehearsing them and studying them. I would do this performance. He's like, thank you for the material.

• 58:28Laci Mosley?

  What? Also, how are you campaigning against yourself? You're getting evicted from places, sir.

• 58:33Speaker 04

  My gosh.

• 58:34Laci Mosley?

  You're unhoused.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  Again, it's like against your own interests. What's going on? The record shows you were not paying rent. So why are you going in on people who are not paying rent? Also, you're not a landlord.

• 58:47Laci Mosley?

  You ain't lorded over nobody's land, sir.

• 58:50Speaker 04

  No, there is no evidence that you ever have even been a landlord. What is this about?

• 58:56Laci Mosley?

  I also just love that he's faced all of this, you know, oppression. And I, I call it that because like housing should not, it should be something that everyone can have.

• 59:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:06Laci Mosley?

  And so he's like, oh, yeah, I'm getting kicked out of my home. I'm gonna pretend I'm the one kicking me out. What?

• 59:15Laci Mosley?

  That's how, that's where your brain went?

• 59:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't, it's interesting how like figuring out how to pay the money back, figuring out how to get a place of his own. Like none of those, all it was like, no, not good enough. Uh-uh. Not a, not doing this. Mm-mm. And it's like, hmm.

• 59:32Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I'm gonna be the oppressor.

• 59:33Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 59:34Laci Mosley?

  So the only real estate he has listed on required financial disclosure forms for his campaign is an apartment in Rio de Janeiro. They ain't gonna check that. Who gonna check me? But he has since claimed that he actually owns no property and is currently living with his sister in New York, where she faces eviction for forty thousand dollars.

• 59:49Speaker 04

  Right. That's what I was gonna say. I know she is facing, I, I know she's, she got sued for back rent. So what's going on?

• 59:57Laci Mosley?

  Listen, they don't do rent. Some people don't do rent. Like, what?

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  You know what, though? I'm not gonna lie. If I could claim like. Oh, I have property in another country, or like, oh, I'm from this other country and we do things. I would constantly be lying. I would be like, oh, we actually don't do that where I'm from. Like, where I'm from, we don't pay rent. So, y'all are behind. Where I'm from, we don't pay, we just...

• 1:00:18Laci Mosley?

  Y'all want money for me to live here? That's weird.

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  So barbaric, like...

• 1:00:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Get it together.

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  I would just constantly be like, we don't do that.

• 1:00:27Laci Mosley?

  Close my door very slowly.

• 1:00:30Laci Mosley?

  What? Just laughing. Y'all crazy. Nah, I moved in here. I didn't say I was gonna get y'all money every month. Oh, nah. The first? Nah, absolutely not. So, it's unclear how many properties George owns, in quotes, and how he could have gone from being twice evicted to a mid-sized landlord, but his finances reflect a similar journey. Curious. Fake funds. In 2020, financial disclosures from his first campaign, he was listed as making fifty-five thousand dollars a year as vice president of Link Bridge Investors, a company that connects investors with fund managers. Okay.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  Well, wait, fifty-five thousand dollars a year to be the vice president? Of an investment company?

• 1:01:15Laci Mosley?

  Well, he not invested. He calls, he's like, oh, let me get you somebody to invest for you. Let me get on the phone and call them.

• 1:01:23Speaker 04

  I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But still, fifty-five K is not the right number for that kind of a job, okay?

• 1:01:29Laci Mosley?

  No. Listen.

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:01:31Laci Mosley?

  So, when his campaign began, George moved on to become a regional director of Harbor City Capital, a Florida-based investment company. But soon after, the SEC filed a lawsuit accusing the company and its founders of running a seventeen million dollar Ponzi scheme. So, he went to work for crime and the government pulled up.

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:01:51Laci Mosley?

  That's probably why they hired him. They were like, you seem like someone who will cook the books with us.

• 1:01:57Laci Mosley?

  What kind of seasonings you got for the books? He was like, I got that heat. I got um every, every uh, everything bagel seasoning because I'm also Jewish. I got Larry's because I'm black.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  He came up ready to poo. He came up literally ready to sous vide. It's like, how do you, how do you want to cook?

• 1:02:15Laci Mosley?

  Right. He was like, I got the sous vide because I'm gay. Okay, see? I have everything I need to cook these books.

• 1:02:21Speaker 04

  Seventeen million dollar Ponzi scheme. Damn, damn, that's real money.

• 1:02:27Laci Mosley?

  So despite the suit, George received payments from Harbor as recently as April of twenty twenty one. At least they were paying their employees. Look, they might have been stealing seventeen million.

• 1:02:36Speaker 04

  Okay, okay. They said we'll break you off a piece. Okay.

• 1:02:40Laci Mosley?

  They doing better than the freelance companies.

• 1:02:46Laci Mosley?

  So we may do crime, but we gonna pay you on time.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  We'll pay. You know what, though? There's a reliability to that that I cherish.

• 1:02:52Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm not mad at it. So two weeks after Harbor was taken down, former Harbor executives formed a company called Red Strategies USA. They went right back to the grid. Owned by a parent company, Devolder Organizations. We've heard that word before. So George was the sole manager and operator of Devolder and said that he made money by brokering luxury purchases for wealthy clients such as twenty million dollar yachts. Okay, so he's the middle man again. He's like, you want a yacht? Come over here.

• 1:03:19Speaker 04

  I'm your guy.

• 1:03:22Laci Mosley?

  So both companies ultimately folded for failing to file annual reports. But by the time Devolder went under, George claimed its value was over one million dollars. He really was following the Donald Trump blueprint.

• 1:03:36Speaker 04

  All my companies are at a loss.

• 1:03:39Speaker 04

  Okay. Bankruptcy.

• 1:03:41Laci Mosley?

  Like, okay. So while this may have explained his relatively sudden increase in fortune, there are still a number of questions surrounding Devolder's organization. Of course, because it's all a question mark. And we ain't got no answers. I haven't heard an answer yet.

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  No, uh-uh. I just heard like a string of highlights that are later found to be untrue. That's all I'm hearing right now.

• 1:04:05Laci Mosley?

  Y'all thought I was lying when I was lying? That's wild.

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  That's crazy. Y'all are tripping.

• 1:04:11Laci Mosley?

  I was just telling unconfirmed truths.

• 1:04:15Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:04:15Speaker 04

  I was just, I was just trying to spread a couple rumors. I just.

• 1:04:18Laci Mosley?

  It's your fault that you couldn't figure out the truth.

• 1:04:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I told it to you. So he claims, he claims to have earned a salary of seven hundred fifty thousand dollars and dividends ranging between one million to five million in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, despite the company's value being in the same range. So he's just lying. So now he's like, I'm rich.

• 1:04:41Laci Mosley?

  Okay, sir. He's like, whatever it takes to be a Republican. He's like, I'm rich. I hate everything that I should stand for. What else do y'all need? The devolved organization also had no identifiable public assets, property, or website. So y'all are gonna find me. No website.

• 1:04:58Speaker 04

  Wait.

• 1:04:58Laci Mosley?

  No office.

• 1:04:59Speaker 04

  What, your email address? Just a name?

• 1:05:02Laci Mosley?

  No email. If you had an email, it was at Hotmail. That's where you do crime.

• 1:05:09Speaker 04

  I gotta get one of these kind of companies. They constantly pay. Can't find them. That's the dream.

• 1:05:14Laci Mosley?

  So additionally, Georgia's campaign disclosure form offered no information as to clients that could have provided these profits that he's talking about. So he don't got nobody to call.

• 1:05:22Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 1:05:24Laci Mosley?

  He said, it just, they said, who are the clients? He just wrote, trust me.

• 1:05:31Laci Mosley?

  He wrote, people.

• 1:05:34Speaker 04

  He's just like looking at things in the room, like, oh.

• 1:05:37Laci Mosley?

  Meanwhile, he people, yeah, it was a full Mrs. Doubtfire. It was like shirt desk. Mr. Shirt Desk.

• 1:05:45Speaker 04

  Mr. Ballpoint, ballpoint pen.

• 1:05:49Laci Mosley?

  Big pen, Mr. Big Pen. So that's what you're writing with. No, Mr. Blue Big Pen. This is black.

• 1:05:58Laci Mosley?

  So this violated the campaign requirement to disclose any compensation in excess of five thousand dollars from a single source. As of January eleventh, twenty twenty three, the company has been reinstated.

• 1:06:08Speaker 04

  Okay. You can't keep a bad bitch down.

• 1:06:11Laci Mosley?

  You can't. Amen. Go ahead. So the influx of cash from unidentified sources through a company that has no discernible operations allowed George to donate seven hundred thousand dollars to his own campaign in twenty twenty two.

• 1:06:25Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:06:26Laci Mosley?

  Invest in yourselves.

• 1:06:27Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying. Invest in yourself. Twenty twenty three, invest in yourself. If you walk away with nothing from this conversation, this is the year to invest in yourself, because that could be you. You could be grinning ear to ear like that, like a damn Cheshire Cat in your Congress photo.

• 1:06:41Laci Mosley?

  Yo, you were so happy. I can't wait for y'all to see this photo, because I've never seen it happier. I don't think I've ever been that happy in my life.

• 1:06:48Speaker 04

  I haven't.

• 1:06:49Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna talk about that in therapy. I'm gonna show my therapist that picture. I'm like, how can I get here? Because this is where I want to be in life.

• 1:06:56Speaker 04

  I have smiled like that since the day I got married.

• 1:07:02Speaker 04

  That's the kind of smile that we're seeing from George Santos right now.

• 1:07:06Laci Mosley?

  I put him on my vision board. I want to wake up and feel like that picture every day.

• 1:07:13Laci Mosley?

  We all deserve that kind of happiness.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  I have a vision board.

• 1:07:19Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna stroke that picture every day before I go to work.

• 1:07:23Speaker 04

  One day, George, I'll be as happy as you in this congressional photo. I'm telling you, that photo's gonna, that photo's about to blow up on Pinterest after this episode drops.

• 1:07:30Laci Mosley?

  Yo, he smiles so hard. I saw his esophagus. Like, I've never seen that much of somebody's mouth. It's like, are those tops? This man is happy. Good lord.

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  Seven hundred thousand dollars.

• 1:07:46Laci Mosley?

  To himself. Invest in you, y'all. Get that massage, okay? Or put seven thousand dollars, or seven hundred thousand dollars into your own campaign. So, when reporters visited the address listed under said donation, the person living there did not know who George Santos was. So he does spun the block.

• 1:08:06Laci Mosley?

  Got somebody's address. It was like, they gave it to me. Them. It's like when you get mail and it'd be like, Laci Mosley, or current resident.

• 1:08:17Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:08:18Laci Mosley?

  It's like, current resident gave me this donation. I'm the top 100. So, during his campaign, he spent a considerable amount of funds on travel, from forty thousand dollars in flights across the country to seventeen thousand dollars in Florida on restaurants and hotels. So now he can write this money off. So he's like, I gave the money to myself, now I'm balling out. Many of his receipts for restaurants expenses totaled exactly one hundred ninety-nine dollars and ninety-nine cents. One cent below the threshold of requiring receipts.

• 1:08:46Speaker 04

  Oh my god. Wait, this is, I'm not gonna lie, like, should I run for office? This is, I don't know, this is sounding good. This is sounding good.

• 1:08:56Laci Mosley?

  I was student body president and student council president and they made me give one up because they said other people need achievements. And I was like, I want them both.

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  You want them both. They shouldn't have done that to you. See?

• 1:09:04Laci Mosley?

  Racism. But I was like, I'll keep the one with the speech because it was senior year. So I was like, I'll keep the one with the speech. I kept class president, but I was like, I earned them both.

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  No, this is Mississauga Noir. You should go back. You should see them.

• 1:09:17Laci Mosley?

  So, what happens now? As of January ninth, twenty twenty-three, the Campaign Legal Center filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission accusing George of using campaign funds for personal use and obscuring funds sources. Now, let's not lie. Like, all these politicians, they, you, listen. The girls be in my inbox asking for two dollars every other day. I know these two dollars ain't going to freedom.

• 1:09:40Speaker 04

  Up and people are asking me for money every day. I don't sign up for the emails. They just started appearing.

• 1:09:46Laci Mosley?

  And they're like, it's an emergency. And don't let, like, when, you know, the Supreme Court was voting on abortion rights and shit. Woo, the girls were like, hey, if y'all want to keep having a pussy, um, y'all need to give us three dollars right now. Because they tried to take it from me.

• 1:10:03Speaker 04

  No, they were, they were, the email marketing was at an all-time high, I feel like. In, in twenty twenty-two, I was getting emails like I had never gotten emails before. That's part of the reason I ran out of Gmail space. I'm at ninety-eight percent of Gmail space.

• 1:10:16Laci Mosley?

  And you wanted to start paying for it. Do you know? That if you, so I was like getting the warnings about running out of Gmail space and I was like, fuck that. Like, I'm paying for Gmail.

• 1:10:26Speaker 04

  I'm just like, you know what? This is y'all's call.

• 1:10:27Laci Mosley?

  Don't do it. Don't do it because it'll get to a point where they just shut your shit off. And I had a callback for this movie. Didn't get the audition because Gmail was like, oh, you not gonna pay? The, the, your mail is off.

• 1:10:44Speaker 04

  You know what? That's so.

• 1:10:45Laci Mosley?

  You ain't gonna see mail from Gmail.

• 1:10:47Speaker 04

  That is fucked up.

• 1:10:49Laci Mosley?

  They turned my shit off. No warning. Just turned it off.

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  So what happened with the callback?

• 1:10:54Laci Mosley?

  I ended up like having to scramble to do it, but I had to pay Gmail. They, they shook me down.

• 1:11:00Speaker 04

  So fuck that. Wait, did you get in the movie?

• 1:11:02Laci Mosley?

  I didn't get that part.

• 1:11:08Laci Mosley?

  Didn't get it, didn't fuck it.

• 1:11:10Speaker 04

  But you know what?

• 1:11:10Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna tell you something.

• 1:11:14Speaker 04

  Rejection through Gmail is God's protection.

• 1:11:19Laci Mosley?

  Amen.

• 1:11:20Speaker 04

  Think about it.

• 1:11:21Laci Mosley?

  Amen, y'all, that's the word.

• 1:11:22Speaker 04

  Hello, hello, hello, hello.

• 1:11:24Laci Mosley?

  Now, we passing around the collection plate, okay? Y'all give three dollars.

• 1:11:29Speaker 04

  No, I want seven, I want, I want not a penny, less than 700,000, actually.

• 1:11:34Laci Mosley?

  I also love how they're getting creative with the numbers, like, three dollars. We just need seven dollars and 13 cents for freedom. Do you want to be free? Like, what? Where are these numbers coming from?

• 1:11:48Laci Mosley?

  So, is this, is the price of eggs? Or, or in your eggs?

• 1:11:52Speaker 04

  Now, that's N C.

• 1:11:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:55Speaker 04

  And that's how they get you. That's how they get you.

• 1:11:57Laci Mosley?

  Do what you want with your eggs for the price of a carton of eggs. Wow, makes you think.

• 1:12:06Laci Mosley?

  So, wrapping this up. A growing number of his Republican colleagues are calling for him to resign, which he has said he will not do. I know that's right.

• 1:12:18Speaker 04

  My thing is, is that I gave a performance, you ate it up. Don't ask for your money back now.

• 1:12:25Laci Mosley?

  George said, no, no, no, no, wait.

• 1:12:30Laci Mosley?

  Stay, George, I'm staying. Yes, and we're gonna love you. So, it's not yet fully clear how all of George Santos's political and professional activities intertwined. But in addition to the FEC, the House of Ethics Committee, and the Office of Congressional Ethics, and the New York Attorney General, and Nassau County Prosecutor's Office have said that they are reviewing the allegations.

• 1:12:57Laci Mosley?

  The girls have linked up. They were like, we will get to the bottom of this.

• 1:13:03Speaker 04

  Wow, wow.

• 1:13:06Laci Mosley?

  You know? This is ongoing.

• 1:13:07Speaker 04

  Oh, it's, it's hard, because like, I am not gonna lie, I'm kind of living for this drama. I love the way it's built up, I love the back and forth, I'm really curious to see how things shake out. And I, I don't know, in principle, I do agree with the idea that like,

• 1:13:26Speaker 04

  Maybe I lied to get here. But first of all, maybe I lied to get here. Second of all, who hasn't? Third of all, you bought it. And fourth of all, so if you bought it, why you suddenly want to make returns?

• 1:13:38Laci Mosley?

  It's paid for.

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:13:41Laci Mosley?

  This isn't Nordstrom's. We don't do returns.

• 1:13:43Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying. And even Nordstrom's, they change their shit up from what it used to be. So what I'm saying is, if I was selling it and you were buying it, what's the problem? I agree with that idea on principle. I do.

• 1:13:56Laci Mosley?

  Nordstrom's changed it up? Because I had an ex who once returned a North Face jacket that he had worn for eight years and they gave him a new one.

• 1:14:03Speaker 04

  So I used to work at Nordstrom. And when I was working there, yes, they had to, didn't matter what it was, you could bring in shoes that you had worn down to the, like, through, all the way through the soles. And that were from 20 years ago, no receipt, it didn't matter. And they would return it and it would be like, you know, whoop-de-doo. Um, you get your money back and keep moving. But now I believe, I could be mistaken, but I believe that the return policy is now 90 days.

• 1:14:27Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Laci Mosley?

  That was the last passion of scammer hope in retail.

• 1:14:34Speaker 04

  I worked at Nordstrom and like, it wasn't like people were coming to return stuff all the time. That's the thing. It wasn't like people were coming to return stuff all the time. So I, I, I, I don't know what this, I don't know what this.

• 1:14:42Laci Mosley?

  But you lose commission, right? If somebody returns something at a certain rate.

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  Terrible. I wasn't making that much commission today. It's like, I was, I wasn't selling. I was, I worked in the lingerie department and I just wasn't that good.

• 1:14:55Laci Mosley?

  Oh, in the boudoir.

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  Yes, I did. And I, and so I, I, they, I will, one thing I will say about Nordstrom, they train you to really be really good at fitting bras when you work in the lingerie department.

• 1:15:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:15:06Speaker 04

  They train you to be really good. For a while, I've lost, I've lost a little bit of it now. But I used to be able to look at somebody. Like, eventually you do it so often, you do it so much, you do it so much, that you can look at somebody and be like, okay, this is your size.

• 1:15:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I'm so envious of your boobs. I know that bra is sitting right, man.

• 1:15:22Speaker 04

  You know what? My bras always fit to a T.

• 1:15:25Laci Mosley?

  Judith, why you gonna put it here Nordstrom with a period? I know there's no S on it. I'm black. We add the S for seasoning. I can't believe this.

• 1:15:34Speaker 04

  Oh, wait. Judith says Nordstrom returns received after the 45-day return period may be accepted but will be subject to a partial refund 50% of the original sale price.

• 1:15:43Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay, it started with Nordstrom. All I saw was Nordstrom and I was like,

• 1:15:47Speaker 04

  I saw that too.

• 1:15:47Laci Mosley?

  I know there's no S.

• 1:15:48Speaker 04

  I was like, who powerful? The period, I was like, shake the table Judith.

• 1:15:53Laci Mosley?

  Listen, that's all Judith does is shake the table. No, you're right. It is Nordstrom. It's Nordstrom with a period Judith. Uh, there's no S. I just add that on.

• 1:16:02Speaker 04

  Oh, Nordstrom.

• 1:16:03Laci Mosley?

  Like House of Them Dragons. We just add extra things.

• 1:16:06Speaker 04

  Wait, like what?

• 1:16:07Laci Mosley?

  House of Them Dragons.

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  What's this show called? House of Dragons?

• 1:16:12Laci Mosley?

  House of the Dragon.

• 1:16:15Laci Mosley?

  There's no S.

• 1:16:16Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:16:18Speaker 04

  Are you serious?

• 1:16:19Laci Mosley?

  Yes, wait, let me search for that. I'm almost a hundred percent that we have added in all types of words and things that actually.

• 1:16:28Speaker 04

  Literally only thought it's called House of Dragons. That's wild.

• 1:16:31Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:16:31Speaker 04

  This is like, this is like finding out about the bear stained bears or whatever.

• 1:16:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:36Speaker 04

  That's how I feel right now.

• 1:16:37Laci Mosley?

  This is the black people's, uh, Mandela effect. Yeah, it's House of the Dragon. We've been adding things.

• 1:16:43Speaker 04

  I thought it was called the House of Drag- I thought it was called House of Dragons this whole time. Uh, to me it is. I'm, I don't, you know what?

• 1:16:50Laci Mosley?

  No, we don't have to claim that.

• 1:16:51Speaker 04

  I don't have to claim that. You want, if there's anything I learned today, is that I create my own reality.

• 1:16:55Laci Mosley?

  That's right.

• 1:16:57Speaker 04

  Whatever I say in the moment is what's true and so it's called House of Dragons.

• 1:17:03Laci Mosley?

  And I believe you sis and I'm on your side. And now we're at the saddest part of the show, the end where I have to let Brittany go. But before we do that, real quick, we have a scammer of the week. This is where we highlight a charlatan who may or may not be worthy of our praise. We'll see. Today, we're talking about a man who has been using Chance the Rapper's name to scam two victims out of tens of thousands of dollars and has been arrested.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:17:26Laci Mosley?

  Thirty-five-year-old Jeffrey Washington first approached Lulu Cole outside of her bank and offered to pay her cellphone bill and mortgage using money from the Community and Economic Development Association, the CEDA of Cook County in a partnership with Chance the Rapper.

• 1:17:45Laci Mosley?

  Okay. So sure enough, Lulu was soon notified by her bank and cellphone company that the payments were posted. Jeffrey was able to convince Lulu's sister he could do the same for her. Okay, a long con. He's just waiting outside the bank and was like, hey, Chance the Rapper wanna pay your bills? What is this? I didn't call into a radio station.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know. Okay. What? I mean, you know what though? Maybe he had a convincing, like, maybe he had like a nice suit, or he had like, like a limo or something, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:18:13Laci Mosley?

  But still, why does Chance the Rapper have people on foot paying bills?

• 1:18:17Speaker 04

  Also, like, yeah, I don't, I don't know. And to me, I mean, the way, the way my mom raised me, if anybody came up to me on the streets saying they're gonna pay my bills, I just need to run. I need to blow a whistle. I need to run, cuz that's not good.

• 1:18:28Laci Mosley?

  Man, I'm of two minds. There's no such thing as a free lunch, but also, if it's free, it's for me.

• 1:18:35Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. I don't know where I would have landed. I would have been like, yeah, I'm at AT&T.

• 1:18:43Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 1:18:44Speaker 04

  No, that, that to me just sounds like a big old wooden nickel waiting to happen. But you know what, though? I mean, uh, people get got all the time, and so, you know, it is what it is.

• 1:18:53Laci Mosley?

  But I also feel like Chance's persona is corny enough for you to be like, maybe...

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  You know what else, too? Drake, remember when Drake was walking around, was it Walkin' Around Miami? He was passing out money to people in that fucking music video?

• 1:19:05Laci Mosley?

  Yep.

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  It probably got people confused.

• 1:19:08Laci Mosley?

  I bet you that was a part of it.

• 1:19:10Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:19:10Laci Mosley?

  Cuz like, maybe you think they're filming, maybe he had a little camera phone out and was like, you know, maybe you think you're about to be in a music video. I love my wife. Eh, like, I don't know. So in exchange for charitable help, Jeffrey asked for just a few cash donations to pay it forward. Now, how you gonna give me money and also ask money from me? I'm the receiver.

• 1:19:32Speaker 04

  No. Let's see.

• 1:19:34Laci Mosley?

  That's not how money works.

• 1:19:35Speaker 04

  So wait, so they wanted to pay it for, why would I trust a stranger to pay my money forward to, to who else? What if the other person doesn't deserve it? How about that?

• 1:19:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Oh, what if they have bad vibes? But they're also in need.

• 1:19:46Speaker 04

  Literally, what if they have bad vibes?

• 1:19:49Laci Mosley?

  But also, why do I need to pay it forward if you're giving me money? Why don't you just take the money out of what you gave me and then?

• 1:19:55Speaker 04

  And just paid it to somebody else. You know, this reminds me of that thing. Have you seen these videos where people go walk around with the little microphones in like Washington Square Park? And they go like, oh, do you want to take twenty dollars to pay it or or double it and pay it forward? I'm taking twenty dollars. People are like, oh, always pay it forward. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. If you have twenty dollars in cash, you're gonna hand it to me, I can walk away. I'm gonna take the twenty dollars in cash. I'm not doubling it and paying it forward.

• 1:20:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, what kind of trick is this? It's like when people go in the Starbucks lot and pay for the person's coffee behind them. It's like all of y'all are at Starbucks buying coffee.

• 1:20:24Speaker 04

  Also, I don't, I don't, I don't drink coffee. I don't, I don't go to Starbucks or anything like that. Like, I've been, I've been, but I don't go there like a thing to do. What, how do you know what the other person ordered? How do you just go, I'm gonna pay for their coffee behind me? I, I, I don't even understand how that works. When people do that, they're like, oh, I'll pay for people's food behind me at Taco Bell. What?

• 1:20:42Laci Mosley?

  Maybe I think they're like overpaying and then that's kind of nice because maybe it's a tip for the barista and for, you know, the staff.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  I don't know. It all sounds fishy to me. It sounds fishy.

• 1:20:51Laci Mosley?

  It does. Is it a myth? Did it ever happen? Y'all let us know if you paid for somebody's Starbucks. So the few cash donations end up totaling over seventy thousand dollars.

• 1:21:00Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 1:21:02Laci Mosley?

  Between Lulu and her sister, what? That's huh? Okay, so it took a year for Jeffrey, whose real name is DeMarco Franklin, to be arrested using a photo Lulu took of him the first day that they met. Now, DeMarco slash Jeffrey, why would you get on film with somebody?

• 1:21:18Speaker 04

  No. Is this DeMarco selfie?

• 1:21:21Laci Mosley?

  DeMarco.

• 1:21:24Speaker 04

  He didn't have a bit of a.

• 1:21:26Speaker 04

  This, he took this, this is the thing. The thing about this photo is, I can't, it's an off kilter selfie. Like, it's an off kilter car selfie. And it, the expression's not giving anything. The frame's not giving anything. I can't tell if he's wearing a stocking cap or a durag. Nothing's happening. And he's giving like a sort of side eye, like a cut side eye, like hmm.

• 1:21:50Laci Mosley?

  It's also giving when you didn't know you clicked through your camera app and then you just take a picture like, this doesn't seem like an intentional photo.

• 1:21:56Speaker 04

  The thing, it, this is the thing. It does seem intentional. Unfortunately, I think the only reason why this photo is even in front of us is because he took this selfie and he posted it somewhere and then that's how it got to us. It's out on the internet.

• 1:22:06Laci Mosley?

  Well, Lulu said that she took this photo when they met, but I'm not understanding how Lulu took this. Lulu, where were you? Because the angles. Curious. Y'all will see it.

• 1:22:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:22:19Laci Mosley?

  Franklin does not have a relationship with the C E D A, nor do they have any sort of relationship with Chance the rapper. He's now facing two felony counts of theft by deception, felony wire fraud, and a misdemeanor count of false impersonation of a charity. Mmm, DeMarco.

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  Wow, seventy thousand dollars, though. What, what, Lou and her sister, where they work at?

• 1:22:39Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:22:40Speaker 04

  Are they hiring?

• 1:22:42Laci Mosley?

  He knew they had money. He was like, let me wait outside the bank and see who got money.

• 1:22:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:46Laci Mosley?

  Who making deposits and who making withdrawals?

• 1:22:48Speaker 04

  Oh, that's wild, though. That's a lot of money.

• 1:22:52Laci Mosley?

  For a free phone bill?

• 1:22:55Speaker 04

  That's a lot of money.

• 1:22:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, why did y'all do that? That's beyond paying it forward.

• 1:23:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is beyond paying it forward.

• 1:23:03Laci Mosley?

  You should just pay your own damn phone bill.

• 1:23:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:06Laci Mosley?

  Um, DeMarco, we can't stand beside you.

• 1:23:09Speaker 04

  No, sorry, DeMarco. That's, that's a bridge too far for me.

• 1:23:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, way too far. But we always ask at the end of the show, Brittany, where would you like to be found?

• 1:23:20Speaker 04

  Oh, I would, that's a good question. Um, I would like to be found on, I'm one of the last few people still around on Twitter. You can find me at B M Loose on Twitter and also at B M Loose on Instagram. Those are two places you can find me.

• 1:23:35Laci Mosley?

  And that's L U S E.

• 1:23:37Speaker 04

  L U S E, B M, as in Marie, L U S E. Um, you also can find me on the radio on, uh, some Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays, hosting the radio show slash podcast, It's Been a Minute on NPR. Check your local listings, and if we're not there in your local listings, call your NPR local member station and beg for the show. And otherwise, if you listen, you can listen to the podcast version of It's Been a Minute on Tuesdays and Fridays every single week. We take no days off. So, um, those are the places you can find me.

• 1:24:10Laci Mosley?

  Yes, come on, local listings. Check them!

• 1:24:14Speaker 04

  Well, I look nationally syndicated. I'm so blown by it. I'm constantly, I'm not nationally syndicated. I'm constantly telling everybody.

• 1:24:21Laci Mosley?

  You are. I love it. I love this for you. You can find me at D I B A L A C I D Velaci on all platforms. If you'd like to follow the show and see these photos, like, look, y'all, y'all are gonna want George Santos on your vision board. I'm telling you, I've never seen a smile brighter. This man is so happy. Scam got his pod on Instagram and Twitter. I'm telling you, I'm putting this photo on my wall. I've just never seen anyone happier. It's goals.

• 1:24:48Speaker 04

  And look, I'm gonna tell you something right now. I see you smiling like that, clutching an Emmy in a year's time. I'm seeing it. I'm claiming it for you.

• 1:24:58Laci Mosley?

  From your mouth to God's ears.

• 1:25:00Speaker 04

  My mouth to the scam goddess's ears.

• 1:25:02Laci Mosley?

  To the scam goddess's ears. The sky, come on, sky scammer.

• 1:25:07Speaker 04

  It's your year. And you know what? It seems like it might be George Santos's too.

• 1:25:12Laci Mosley?

  Listen, we all know who he is now. His name is on all of our lips. George, you did it. Congregation, stay Santosing. Okay, get up there, do a little, do a few lies. Just a couple for fun.

• 1:25:29Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA The Scam Goddess. Our producer is Judith Cargbo, our recording engineer is Abby Aguilar, and our audio editor is Jessie Karen. Research for the show is done by Kalen Brand. Stay scamming.

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