Rent-A-Hitman Dot Con with Jamie Lee (Fraud Friday)

What's poppin, con-gregation? Jamie Lee joins the show to discuss an IT help website that accidentally turns into the go-to URL for people seeking murder for hire. Plus, a 50 year old man tricks twitter followers using FaceApp! Stay schemin! Research by Sharilyn Vera. SOURCES https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/rent-a-hitman-wendy-wein-murder-for-hire-sting-operation-1066756/ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/rent-a-hitman-wendy-wein-murder-for-hire-sting-operation-1066756/__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! J0nfa87ffVYyMowafHvsFazyMXZkPfyp0CPaAsr7J2oMfPjpJmRFTxF68G1OLg$ https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/it-expert-bob-innes-rent-a-hitman-murder-13086065.php https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/it-expert-bob-innes-rent-a-hitman-murder-13086065.php__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! J0nfa87ffVYyMowafHvsFazyMXZkPfyp0CPaAsr7J2oMfPjpJmRFTxFyPWGXDg$ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5966845/DIY-detective-snared-string-killers.html https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5966845/DIY-detective-snared-string-killers.html__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! J0nfa87ffVYyMowafHvsFazyMXZkPfyp0CPaAsr7J2oMfPjpJmRFTxGP6vRf1w$ https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g88m/viral-japanese-biker-transformation-woman-faceapp https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3g88m/viral-japanese-biker-transformation-woman-faceapp__;!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! J0nfa87ffVYyMowafHvsFazyMXZkPfyp0CPaAsr7J2oMfPjpJmRFTxHbJ3E-hw$ https://twitter.com/Kai_97R/status/1360039242882187264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1360039242882187264%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vice.com%2Fen%2Farticle%2Fy3g88m%2Fviral-japanese-biker-transformation-woman-faceapp https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://twitter.com/Kai_97R/status/1360039242882187264?ref_src=twsrc*5Etfw*7Ctwcamp*5Etweetembed*7Ctwterm*5E1360039242882187264*7Ctwgr*5E*7Ctwcon*5Es1_c10&ref_url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.vice.com*2Fen*2Farticle*2Fy3g88m*2Fviral-japanese-biker-transformation-woman-faceapp__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!! NUnUjx3wvH5xgA! J0nfa87ffVYyMowafHvsFazyMXZkPfyp0CPaAsr7J2oMfPjpJmRFTxG-f4-lPg$ See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 4:05Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess, back with another installment of Yes, You Know It, Scam Goddess. And guys, I'm very, what? Yes, excited, you know. I'm gonna have to switch this up. It's been like a year and a half. Are y'all tired of me? Probably. But guys, I am super excited because we have a poppin' guest today. She's a comedian. You know her from things like Girl Code, Crashing. But also, she was in the room and 10 Lasso girl writing them jokes up, and it was very cute. And guys, she has a new show coming out on Netflix, April 7th, guys, called The Wedding Coach, and you all need to get into this show. I'm really excited to watch it. Guys, we have Jamie Lee.

• 4:45Speaker 07

  Hi.

• 4:46Laci Mosley?

  Hi, Jamie. I'm so happy to have you.

• 4:49Speaker 07

  I'm so happy to be here.

• 4:50Laci Mosley?

  Can I talk a little bit? Hold on. This background that you have, is that wallpaper or did you paint that?

• 4:55Speaker 07

  Okay, so I think it's...

• 4:57Laci Mosley?

  Not the side.

• 4:58Speaker 07

  No, I mean, deepest side. Okay, because I am so not a decorator, and I'm staying in this, like, fully furnished corporate housing apartment right now in New York. And so they did this wall. And for the listeners, it's like gray and white striped, and it's just very, a very deliberate accent wall.

• 5:18Laci Mosley?

  It is.

• 5:19Speaker 07

  And it's like the coolest Zoom background I could ever think of, because I just don't, I'm not a good decorator, so I'm like, oh, this makes people think that I have my shit together. It's great.

• 5:29Laci Mosley?

  I love it. Yes, it's poppin'. I'm not a good decorator either. I went to Tarjay and Marshallay and quickly threw together a Zoom background, because I was like, oh, it's been a year. I can't just pod from my couch anymore.

• 5:42Speaker 07

  I know. Now you have to, like, think about what's behind you. You have to think about the frame. It's overwhelming.

• 5:48Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's too much, honestly. Like, for any actors out there, this shit is a damn scam. Before, when I was auditioning for shit, they were like, sending me like 14 pages, five different scenes, this shit. I was like, so you want me to shoot the TV show? Like, come on now.

• 6:04Speaker 07

  In my apartment? Okay.

• 6:05Laci Mosley?

  In your apartment? Can you, yeah?

• 6:06Speaker 07

  Apparently, I'm an actor and a producer and a director.

• 6:10Laci Mosley?

  Right. And they're so specific, too. They're like, okay, we want to see this part of your body. Make sure the walls is turned, the camera that way. I'm like, uh-uh. Y'all can pay me.

• 6:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, you're like, thank you, but I'm pretty sure, like, I didn't even get the job yet, so I'm just like, working for free? This is insane. I'm not your intern.

• 6:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I've had people be like, so do you have any roommates who are actors? And I'm like, no, I live alone. You want me to hire people now?

• 6:33Speaker 07

  Yes, they're like, can you do the casting for us? We're tapped out. We don't have anyone left.

• 6:38Laci Mosley?

  Would you mind? Just to see who's around. Go in the hallway and find us some people.

• 6:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly. You're like, I don't work for you.

• 6:47Laci Mosley?

  Jamie, do you have any relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like scams? What's your vibe?

• 6:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, um, I'm anti-scam, a hot take, but...

• 6:56Laci Mosley?

  I like that. I like that.

• 6:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, I'm anti-getting scammed. I probably am, like, in a weird sort of masochistic way, pro-scam. Like, it's interesting to me, hence loving this podcast. But I was scammed. I was on the receiving end of a classic Craigslist scam.

• 7:16Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 7:16Speaker 07

  Where, yeah, I mean, that's the OG. Yeah, I basically, okay, so it's, this is a very, I sound like this is gonna be a very long story. It's actually quite short. I had an apartment on the Upper East Side with roommates when I was in my twenties, and there were just like a couple of things that were going on in the apartment that were super weird. Like, one day, the toilet seat was up in our downstairs bathroom with, like, pee in it, and like, there were no men who lived in the apartment. It was just like three girls, and we're like, what is that from? And like, no one had a boyfriend over. Like, we were all just like, why is the toilet seat up? And yeah, and we were just kind of like weirded up by that. And then there was another day where, like, my roommate's towel was like balled up and soaking wet in the corner of the bathroom, and she was like, did you do that? And I was like, no. And then the other roommate was like, of course not.

• 8:01Speaker 07

  No one's like, throwing your towel on the ground. And so we thought we had a ghost. And so as, kind of as a bit...

• 8:09Laci Mosley?

  You went to Ghost?

• 8:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, we thought we had a ghost, and like, almost, like, kind of a bit with each other, but not. We found this person on Craigslist who claimed to, like, come to your house, and it was like a ghost hunter show, and they were looking for people to be on it. And I applied, and they were like, we're coming over. So we, so we ended up having this person say, like, yeah, we want to, like, have you on our reality show, and we're gonna come to your house and, like, film you and talk about the ghost, and like, do a whole assessment, like, like a Ghostbuster.

• 8:42Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 8:42Speaker 07

  And the strange thing was, I don't know what they were getting out of the scam, because they just kept standing us up. So we would be waiting for them to come over, and they're supposed to come over at like 6:00 PM, and then 6:30, 7, 8 would roll around, and they just weren't showing up. And so then we would email them, and we're like, hey, what ended up happening? They're like, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, we're coming tomorrow night. And they just kept not showing up, and we kept falling for it. And that is...

• 9:07Laci Mosley?

  Did they take money from you?

• 9:09Speaker 07

  No, nothing. I was like, what is this? You're like pretending to be a Ghostbuster, but you're not gaining anything, but just like, like, kind of fucking with people's time? I don't understand what you're getting out of this. But anyways, I felt very scammed.

• 9:24Laci Mosley?

  Right. Maybe it was kids, you know, and they were just having a fun trolling or something?

• 9:29Speaker 07

  Maybe. The emails were quite sophisticated. Like, they knew sort of like the ins and outs of production to a degree. So I was like, okay, like, this sounds like, maybe it's for a TLC show, or like, whatever other channel was doing reality back then. So yeah, anyways, I don't know what ended up happening, but it was...

• 9:47Laci Mosley?

  That's so funny to me. I wish they would've showed up, literally with like no cameras, just doing that, like, director thing with their hand. Now stand over there next to the wall. It's just like a long troll.

• 9:56Speaker 07

  You're like, face the corner. You're like, oh no, it's Blair Witch. Yeah, so, yeah.

• 10:04Laci Mosley?

  I want to know why they were doing this. This is so unfinished to me. I wish that they had come or at least tried to, you know, spray something. I would have come. I feel like ghost extermination is such a great profession. How you gonna tell me I get rid of the ghosts? How you don't know? You know?

• 10:17Speaker 07

  Yeah, you don't know. It's actually, yeah, you're right. And you could totally be like, I, I, I purged your house of the spirit. Like, you owe me $200. And I'd be like, well, I can't really contest that. I mean, I guess if like, the pee doesn't show up in the toilet with the seat up, that means the ghost is gone. Like, I don't know. It was just, that whole apartment was kind of cursed. I also fell down the stairs at one point. And yeah, it was, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:44Laci Mosley?

  It's funny, because psychics like to do that, too. But they'll like, you have a curse on you, and it's gonna cost $500 to lift it. And if you don't lift it, then your mama gonna die. So guys, let's, let's get into our first segment. What's hot in fraud? I love this dog. Jamie's got a big dog in the background. What kind of, is it labradoodle?

• 11:03Speaker 07

  There's two. There's a labradoodle, and then this like schnauzer poodle mix that we rescued from China.

• 11:09Laci Mosley?

  Oh, from China?

• 11:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, right before the pandemic. He survived two pandemics.

• 11:14Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 11:14Speaker 07

  He's incredible. Yeah.

• 11:16Laci Mosley?

  We love it.

• 11:16Speaker 07

  But they're very noisy. Yeah, he's a survivor. Yeah.

• 11:20Laci Mosley?

  So guys, let's get into our first segment. What's hot in fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams in the street. As always, you can email [email protected]. Just don't snitch on your friends and family before the scam is retired. We don't want to fuck up your bag. But guys, today, oh, Jamie, I need a fake name. We don't care about gender on here.

• 11:36Speaker 07

  Ooh, okay, um, Danica.

• 11:41Laci Mosley?

  Danica. Okay, so Danica says, I was scammed, and rightfully so. This is what optimism gets you when you're trying to buy psychedelics on Instagram. Okay.

• 11:51Speaker 07

  Hey, my dog's barked at that. They're like, we're listening.

• 11:55Laci Mosley?

  Psychedelics. So it says, I've been going to therapy, and my therapist recommended I look into microdosing. Wow, I've never had a therapist.

• 12:04Speaker 07

  Me neither.

• 12:05Laci Mosley?

  I've never had a therapist be like, and how does that make you feel? Okay, okay. Have you tried shrooms?

• 12:11Speaker 07

  Right. Have you tried staring at the wall and envisioning a portal?

• 12:15Laci Mosley?

  Right. Because I think that could really help with your, your self-esteem issue.

• 12:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, wow. I mean, I guess I have heard of microdosing being a thing people are doing, obviously. But I, yeah, I've never heard of a therapist prescribing it in that way. That's, that is new to me. Yeah.

• 12:33Laci Mosley?

  Like, I'm like, is your therapist also a scam? Because I don't know, I've just never had someone be like, you know, these issues with your father, they're really, they're really making me think of LSD. Like, I really.

• 12:42Speaker 07

  Right, right. Have you tried tripping? You're like, wait, what?

• 12:47Laci Mosley?

  Have you tried crack? Okay, I know they say it's whack, but honestly, in moderation, crack is very energizing.

• 12:55Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, they're like, actually, crack has gotten a really bad reputation. But there are a lot of things you can do with it besides lose your home and your family.

• 13:02Laci Mosley?

  Right, yeah.

• 13:03Speaker 07

  Cool, okay.

• 13:05Laci Mosley?

  Just don't get out of control. A little crack every Tuesday. That didn't ever hurt nobody. Microcrack.

• 13:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, no big deal, no big deal.

• 13:13Laci Mosley?

  MBD. So, um, Danica's listening to her therapist. She thought, um, the therapist said, I thought that you would like shrooms. Um, but Danica said that they're pretty hard to find, so I'm gonna have to try to figure it out. So Danica decides to look on the gram. She says, I have plenty of pleasant interactions and made plenty of legitimate purchases, so this can't be much different, buying some mushrooms. So after little to no research, I found a now deleted account that, or maybe it blocked me, called PsiloDelic.

• 13:43Speaker 07

  Wait, can I say one thing?

• 13:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 07

  Really quick, I was thinking about this therapist. Sorry, I'm not, I can't get past this. If you are a therapist recommending mushrooms to your clients, you better have a guy who you're like, call James. You know?

• 13:56Laci Mosley?

  That's a good point, Jamie. Like, send me on a wild goose chase.

• 13:59Speaker 07

  Exactly. I, that, that is, I was just so stressed as you were talking about this. I'm like, wait, why didn't he help her find them? Like, doesn't he know someone?

• 14:08Laci Mosley?

  You are right about that. You're the therapist. If you're prescribing, you can't give me a script or at least an alley to go to?

• 14:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly. Make a connection, introduce over email, like, something.

• 14:22Laci Mosley?

  A formal introduction from your therapist to their drug dealer. Yeah, something. Yeah, it's wild to make somebody go out and hunt for themselves to find mushrooms. You know what I mean?

• 14:30Speaker 07

  Yeah, loop us in, loop us in.

• 14:32Laci Mosley?

  At least point them to a neighborhood. Like, they got a lot of silver, like, you're right. You're right about that. So PsiloDelic is the name of the Instagram site, and it's spelled P S I L O dot D E L I C. Allegedly, they may be selling mushrooms, let's see. But I don't know if the pages, they don't know if it blocked them, or if they deleted the page. So it says, I messaged them, and they wanted to sell me 10 bags of shroom gummies. I talked them down to two for $130. They talked me back up to five. Total spend $325.

• 15:05Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 15:05Laci Mosley?

  Right. After the people at the agency in quotes said they don't deal in small quantities. So fuck it, I've come this far, I'm in. Right, you got a fake prescription from your therapist. Fine. So it says, I sent all this money through Cash App. Oop, that's a big scam app, guys.

• 15:20Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 15:21Laci Mosley?

  Cash App is for crime. When it's crime time, Cash App. I hope to have an ad one day. It's just me, like, when it's crime time, police on your back, Cash App. You know, um, I got it.

• 15:35Speaker 07

  I don't know much about Cash App, but yeah, this whole, this whole thing is stressing me out. Okay, keep going.

• 15:40Laci Mosley?

  So it says, then the person tells me they need another $150 for insurance, but it's fully refundable, they say. Insurance for what?

• 15:49Speaker 07

  I'm sorry, drug insurance? What are we talking about?

• 15:52Laci Mosley?

  That's like drug receipts. I've never got, bought some illegal drugs, and somebody was like, thank you, come again, here's your receipt.

• 15:57Speaker 07

  The whole point is like, there's no trail? Like, well, what are we, yeah, I don't even understand that.

• 16:02Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 16:03Speaker 07

  What are you insuring? That it like works?

• 16:06Laci Mosley?

  Right. Or are you gonna insure the package? Because I'm pretty sure you can't call USPS and be like, somebody lost my box of shrooms, and it's worth, like?

• 16:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, it sounds like you're making an under the table deal, very over the table. And I don't see how that's good for either party.

• 16:20Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's a little weird. So, uh, they say it's fully refundable, which, honey, okay. So whatever, I bite. At this point, Danica's like, I'm down the rabbit hole, I'm gonna get these shrooms gummies.

• 16:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:32Laci Mosley?

  The good should arrive in 24 hours, they say. 10 minutes later, I get another message asking for one more thing. They asked me.

• 16:39Speaker 07

  No.

• 16:41Laci Mosley?

  One more thing, one more thing. Since you already gave us the insurance money, um, I need $50 for gas.

• 16:49Speaker 07

  Okay. Okay, wow, okay.

• 16:54Laci Mosley?

  Gas is high, gas is high. But I am confusion, because is this gas, like, you need to drive out to the woods to pick the shrooms? Or this is gas to go to the post office? Or are you gonna drive the shrooms to me? I am confusion. Also, you got the $150 deposit, you can't use the deposit to get the gas?

• 17:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, what was the deposit for? And then also, it's like, if this is really how you, like, let's just like, give them the benefit of the doubt, the doubt, and say this is how they do business. Like, you should just be really clear in what the money is for. Like, I need this for this, I need $50 for this. You should just say it all up front, and like, you'll sound way more legit.

• 17:28Laci Mosley?

  Right. Also, drugs are never something that are prepaid. Like, you may prepay on a phone, you can prepay, you know, when you're.

• 17:36Speaker 07

  Right, this isn't like your rent. Like, what are we, yeah, you're not, this is not like you and your landlord with like, a deposit, like, you'll get this back at the end of the year. Like, what are we talking about?

• 17:45Laci Mosley?

  What are you talking about? I don't need, like, yeah, you're absolutely right about that. Like, what, in what case would I not get the deposit back, is my question? Like, what would I have to do for them to be like, well, we gotta keep your deposit on the drugs? What?

• 17:59Speaker 07

  But also, the whole point of getting, like, of dealing with a drug dealer, is like, they just like, give you the stuff. Like, there are no strings. Like, the whole point is you're signing up for no strings. And now this person seems to have a lot of strings. I don't know. I just, yeah, I don't.

• 18:14Laci Mosley?

  Right, like, I gotta send in a rebate? I hate a rebate. Rebates are scams. They'd be like, if you mail this, it's like, I don't have enough time to mail this, and they know that.

• 18:22Speaker 07

  I don't want to do stamps, no.

• 18:24Laci Mosley?

  Drug rebates, this is a lot. I, I, I watch The Wire, I'm supposed to come to the corner, we do a handshake, I got the money, you got the drugs, we handshake, I leave.

• 18:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's quick and dirty. Like, let's just do it and get out.

• 18:37Laci Mosley?

  But I believe, you know, Instagram has, because it's become this marketplace, and they sell so many things, I think people have become really comfortable with purchasing things on Instagram. Now they have a whole purchase button on there, where it's like, go here, buy shit.

• 18:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, the little like, purse icon that they send to you, like, yeah, they're like, you can have friends and new clothes. You're like, okay, thanks for caring.

• 18:58Laci Mosley?

  Amazon, this is a lot.

• 19:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 19:01Laci Mosley?

  I don't need this from you. So, this is when I realized, Danica said that I had been scammed. Okay, baby, it was a little late. Like, now, I would have probably realized that the deposit, you know, area, that you had been scammed, but, okay. So despite the person repeatedly assuring me that they were legit, a world where you cannot trust drug dealers on Instagram is not a world I want to live in.

• 19:24Laci Mosley?

  Amen. Amen. I don't want to live in that either, Danica. I'm so sorry that that happened to you. They should have gave you the drugs. Or at least give you your deposit back. We're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements. We'll be right back with Historic Hoodwinks. Scam! Cash Flow Crunch. OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds up to $200,000 right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank.

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• 22:38Laci Mosley?

  And we are back. And it's time for my favorite segment of the show, Historic Hoodwings. This is when I will regale Jamie with a famous con caper, con artist, group of criminals. Who knows? Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. We'll see, and we'll get her opinions all throughout. So today, we're talking about Bob Ennis of Northern California. Whoop, whoop, shout out to Cali, who runs a website called rentahitman.com.

• 23:06Laci Mosley?

  I love this, Jamie, because you already told the story of going on Craigslist to try to find the Ghostbusters. And unfortunately, Leslie Jones did not pull up to your place and eradicate what is surely a male ghost because they're leaving the toilet seat up and the towel wet and shit.

• 23:20Speaker 07

  Right, even as vapor, he still has to put the toilet. At least he's a considerate ghost. I mean, that was really the takeaway. At least he cares. Anyways.

• 23:28Laci Mosley?

  But my thing is, is like, I don't think men should even be allowed to be ghosts. Y'all haunt us enough when y'all alive. Like, y'all don't get to haunt us when you're dead. Y'all got to go away. Like, what?

• 23:38Speaker 07

  You guys ghost us when you're alive, and then you keep ghosting us when you're dead.

• 23:41Laci Mosley?

  Right, it's like, you've done enough ghosting while you were here.

• 23:44Speaker 07

  Too much ghosting.

• 23:45Laci Mosley?

  Casper was the only male ghost I fucked with. And even him, after a while, I was like, Casper, go home. Like.

• 23:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, he was a little needy.

• 23:52Laci Mosley?

  He was needy as fuck. He was like, let me go to the dance with you, girl. No, so I can dance with Erin, look crazy? Like, get out of here, Casper. He was clingy as fuck. Show up like regular ghosts at night and do the ooh, boo, and get out.

• 24:05Speaker 07

  Right, sheet over the head with the eye holes. Like, just keep it classic, ghosts.

• 24:10Laci Mosley?

  Right, we don't need this, like, you want to go to events now ghost? Like, come on now. I gotta get a plus one for your ghost ass? No. So rentahitman.com, which is a very straightforward URL, and I appreciate that.

• 24:23Speaker 07

  Yeah, at least they get straight to it. Yeah, I do, too. I do, too. There's really, there's nothing left to the imagination there.

• 24:28Laci Mosley?

  Number one on Google, you know? I put hitman, rentahitman's right there.

• 24:33Speaker 07

  There we go.

• 24:34Laci Mosley?

  And I love that it's rentahitman. Like, you can't buy one, but you can rent one for a few hours.

• 24:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, on lease.

• 24:41Laci Mosley?

  So he started it with a college friend in 2005 as an IT help site, but it quickly took on a life of its own. The rentahitman site became an accidental murder-for-hire sting operation. Okay, I don't know if it was accidental. You did call it basically like murder yo' enemies.com.

• 24:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's not really a business you fall into.

• 25:02Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 25:03Speaker 07

  I feel like you either initiate it, or it doesn't happen.

• 25:09Speaker 07

  It's not like, oops, I'm a hitman.

• 25:11Laci Mosley?

  Oops, I'm a hitman. That's where I went, my brain. Free Britney. So how it started? It started with an IT help website and a cheeky domain name. So they thought they were being funny with rentahitman.com, which I don't... This man Bob has to be white because no black person would ever think it was funny to name a website URL like.

• 25:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's off the... I love him defending it. He's like, it's not like funny, ha ha. It's like, no, man, it's just, it's just not funny.

• 25:40Laci Mosley?

  Right, you made a website called murderyourwife.com, and then it was like, oh, my God, people keep coming over here talking about they want their wife murdered. It's so bizarre.

• 25:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, you're like, women get killed by their spouses all the time. And he's like, I didn't know that.

• 25:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So rent implied hire, and hit refers to website clicks or visitor traffic and analytics. And man implied the team of professionals behind the site, a few buddies who'd recently graduated from a California business school with IT degrees. I love how they defined the whole name. They're like, rent was just like us being like, we gonna help y'all out. It's a service. And then hit is like clicks on a website. It's like, we were supposed to do all that, man?

• 26:22Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:24Laci Mosley?

  No, nobody's thinking about that. So Bob registered the domain in 2005 with the tagline, "Your Point-and-Click Solution." That still sounds like a hitman to me. You point the gun, you click the trigger.

• 26:36Speaker 07

  You click it, yup, yup, yup.

• 26:38Laci Mosley?

  He's like, no, no, no, we're talking about a mouse. I'm like, I don't know, this is America. Seems like you're talking about a gun.

• 26:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, it sounds, sounds a little gunny to me.

• 26:45Laci Mosley?

  Right, so the website also says, "Got a problem that needs solving? Question mark? With over 17,985 US-based field operatives, we can find a solution that's right for you." So you just said you had 17,000 murderers to me. I don't.

• 27:01Speaker 07

  Right.

• 27:01Laci Mosley?

  Field operatives?

• 27:03Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 27:05Laci Mosley?

  That's also hell of a, like, you could have said IT technicians at that point. You already got rentahitman as your domain, like.

• 27:12Speaker 07

  Exactly, yeah. He's, oh, this is, yeah.

• 27:15Laci Mosley?

  It sounds like murder to me.

• 27:17Speaker 07

  Yeah, it sounds very much so like murder.

• 27:19Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so it sat on the website collecting dust until Bob decided to check the website's email address one day in 2008. Bob said, "This is when things got really ugly." Over the three years, the website sat idle. The domain received multiple inquiries from people looking to hire hitmen, and not the kind that get your website clicks, duh.

• 27:38Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, okay.

• 27:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't understand. They was like crime.com. And then they were like, oh, my God, people keep coming here to do crime. It's so bizarre. Like, what do they think we do?

• 27:49Speaker 07

  Guys, this is exactly what was gonna happen. Everything is exactly as it should be.

• 27:55Laci Mosley?

  Right, so Bob said, "For clarification, I am not a hitman." Yeah, you really did need to clear that up because right now, Bob, I thought you was a hitman.

• 28:03Speaker 07

  I'm thinking you are, yeah.

• 28:04Laci Mosley?

  So it says, "I simply play the part of a matchmaker between the solicitor and field operatives." Still sounds like you might be coordinating hits.

• 28:14Speaker 07

  Oh, my God, yeah.

• 28:17Laci Mosley?

  So using the alias Guido Finelli, Bob responded to the...

• 28:24Laci Mosley?

  Guido Finelli? Bob, you a murderer. I don't like none of this. Guido Finelli?

• 28:29Speaker 07

  That is so, yeah, it sounds so mobster. Like, everything is just very hitman.

• 28:35Laci Mosley?

  How is this man trying to play anything?

• 28:37Speaker 07

  Yeah, you sound like a soprano, and they killed lots of people.

• 28:40Laci Mosley?

  Under the alias Scarface, and under the email, "Say hello to my little friend." Like, what?

• 28:48Laci Mosley?

  Bob, you a criminal. So Bob responded to-

• 28:50Speaker 07

  I feel like he's definitely like decapitated some horses and put them in the bed.

• 28:54Laci Mosley?

  Right, but that's a very chill intimidation.

• 28:57Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah, subtle, subtle.

• 28:59Laci Mosley?

  Subtle intimidation, you know, a little horse head here and there. Ain't nothing wrong with that. I never hurt nobody. So Bob will respond to these requests further in detail so a field operative, in quotes, could be assigned the case. The clients, the first hit was from a woman by the name of Helen. She was out of the UK but stranded in Canada. She written a long letter, rambling emails, saying how she was screwed out of her father's inheritance by three family members. She had no money and no place to live. She was stranded in Canada without a passport, so she can't even leave. She wanted retaliation against her aunt, uncle, and one other family member and provided a physical address. Okay, so here's my thing. You ain't got no money, Helen. You ain't got no passport, honey.

• 29:40Laci Mosley?

  But you got coins for murder? Cause last time I checked murder was not free. I don't heard of pro bono murder. Like-

• 29:46Speaker 07

  No, there is not. That's not how it works. And what I know about murder, that's not usually what-

• 29:51Laci Mosley?

  Right. I don't even think you can barter for murder. It's like, look-

• 29:54Speaker 07

  No, you can't.

• 29:55Laci Mosley?

  I have a peach tree. So if y'all want these peaches in exchange for murdering my three relatives, like, I don't think you can do a bartering system like, honey, you need money. So Bob said, "When I first received the email, I was helping my brother move from LA back up here to the Bay Area. So I was loading a U-Haul truck full of his belongings. I didn't really take time to read the email in depth. I just thought it was a troubled person and really didn't give it much thought." Um, Bob, hmm. She says she wanted you to murder her uncle, her uncle. You know what's funny is like she got cut out of the inheritance. She's not gonna get the inheritance, it looks like, even if they die, but she's like, I need revenge?

• 30:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And poor Helen.

• 30:36Laci Mosley?

  Poor Helen. TV revenge always makes me laugh, though, cause like, what do you really get out of revenge? Nothing.

• 30:41Speaker 07

  Yeah, it feels maybe great for five seconds and then the rest of your life, you're the person who got revenge and you're gonna go to jail.

• 30:48Laci Mosley?

  Right. So then she sends a second email titled Urgent.

• 30:54Speaker 07

  Okay, SOS.

• 30:56Laci Mosley?

  Right. I need these people killed ASAP. So-

• 31:01Laci Mosley?

  And the subject line with more detail and more corroborating information. And I responded to the email, this is Bob talking, and asked two simple questions. Do you still require services?, and would you like me to put you in contact with the field operatives? Okay, so you're being hella vague as well. I would still think that Bob is- Bob, what's your angle?

• 31:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, what is it? I need to know. It's so confusing.

• 31:26Laci Mosley?

  So I'm confused. So in quotes, Bob says, "I knew just reading her first email that this is a person who wanted to have these people murdered. There was no doubt in my mind that that was her intent. She responded back and said, yes, I'm staying at this hostel in Canada. I have all these thoughts going through my head. What am I getting myself into, Helen? You know, this is, this lady is serious. I need to go home and start Googling and researching this." So this is also Bob talking. He's like, what am I getting myself into? This lady really wants murder to happen. I need to go home and start Googling and research. Do you need to Google? I feel like you could just be like, no, we don't do murders.

• 32:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks for your inquiry, but that's not what we do.

• 32:05Laci Mosley?

  Hey, yeah, we-

• 32:06Speaker 07

  Like, just shut it down, Bob. Just shut it down.

• 32:09Laci Mosley?

  Bob, like, Bob is a scammer. So Bob says, "I did just that. When I got home, I started printing out about 20 pages of details, names, addresses, and Google satellite images, and all the information was corroborated. That's when I went to the local police department and spoke with a friend of mine, who at the time was a sergeant. He reached out and contacted the police department that had jurisdiction. They did a welfare check on the person to make sure that she was okay. And during the course of their investigation, they found out that she wanted out of the UK on extradition warrants for serious charges." So basically, she, they did a welfare check on her in Canada and found out that the UK was like, "Hey, can you actually bring Helen back here? Can y'all drop her off? Cause we need to put her in the clink."

• 32:47Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 32:48Laci Mosley?

  Which makes sense. Helen seems like a criminal. So in 2020-

• 32:51Speaker 07

  Also, like, staying at a hostel in Canada, like, that just sounds, that sounds suspicious.

• 32:55Laci Mosley?

  It sounds suspect. Am I crazy?

• 32:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, she doesn't, cause it's one thing if you're, you're in a hostel, cause you're like backpacking, you know, after college. But then I feel like any other reason to be at a hostel is just shady.

• 33:06Laci Mosley?

  Right, and she's fully there on some shady shit because she was like, I'm trying to murder my relatives.

• 33:12Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 33:13Laci Mosley?

  Which is a lot, especially cause like, okay, you already didn't get inheritance. So now you gotta come out of pocket on they murders as well? Like, that's a lot.

• 33:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's, yeah. Um, yeah, it's bad. It's bad, bad, Helen.

• 33:27Laci Mosley?

  Like, I just don't wanna be indebted. Like, I don't wanna go on Experian.com and they're like, girl, you never paid for these murders and now it's done hit your credit, so.

• 33:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's the thing. It's like the revenge element. It's such a huge cost.

• 33:41Laci Mosley?

  Sequoia Financial is calling about these overdue murder bills that you need to pay. Like, girl. In 2020, a 51-year-old woman from Michigan named Wendy Wine sent an email to Bob believing he was Guido Finelli. Wendy indeed had a problem that needed resolving. She recommended, or she recounted in her email to Finelli. There was a man who had ripped her off for $20,000, her ex-husband, as authorities later discovered. And she wanted him taken care of. Her email said, "I prefer not going to jail. Thanks for your time."

• 34:14Speaker 07

  Oh, my god.

• 34:15Laci Mosley?

  I think we all prefer not going to jail, Wendy.

• 34:17Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, little, little, little thing, little quirk about me and my personality. I hate jail.

• 34:22Laci Mosley?

  It's so weird, but I'm just like, not a jail person. Like, I know it's for some-

• 34:26Speaker 07

  I'm the type of person who doesn't love being behind bars. That's just me. That's just a me thing.

• 34:31Laci Mosley?

  Like, some people, I get it, but like, for me, it's just like, ugh, you know what I mean? I'm weird.

• 34:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, I'm weird like that. It just doesn't gel with me. But for other people, great, great for you.

• 34:39Laci Mosley?

  Right. So had Wendy been paying attention, she would have noticed a few red flags that the site was not real. For example, website's HIPAA compliance badge is on the site. HIPAA is known as the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996. It outlaws the lawful use and disclosure of protected health information. But the website actually says HIPAA stands for Hitman Information, Privacy, and Protection of 1964. So if she had known anything about laws, she would have known there's no Hitman Protection Act.

• 35:07Speaker 07

  No.

• 35:09Laci Mosley?

  The government was never like, when you ask for a hitman, that's between you and your hitman, okay?

• 35:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's, there's, that is the craziest shit I've ever heard. Yeah.

• 35:18Laci Mosley?

  If you have pre-existing conditions for wanting to murder, that's between you and your hitman, okay? They cannot disclose that. Yeah, she should have known. So that's not a real thing, obviously. The website also offered group and senior discounts.

• 35:34Speaker 07

  Wow, the early bird special.

• 35:38Laci Mosley?

  If you're trying to kill somebody old, you should get a discount, though. They're not moving this fast. That's a easier murder.

• 35:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're like, we kill them between 4:00 and 6:00 PM, the same, the same time Luby's has their happy hour or whatever, their old person's happy hour.

• 35:53Laci Mosley?

  Right after they left the Luby's buffet, we got they ass. They still had Jell-O on they lips.

• 36:00Laci Mosley?

  The green kind. So Bob said, "I really didn't think that people were gonna be that stupid. Boy, did they show me. As soon as I reached out to Bob, he alerted the authorities who placed her under arrest. She was charged with solicitation to commit murder and illegal use of a computer to commit a crime and is currently awaiting trial."

• 36:18Speaker 07

  Wow. Okay.

• 36:21Laci Mosley?

  Guys, if you wanna do crime, if you really feel like it's crime time, Google is not your friend for this. Don't Google hitman. You gotta just have friends.

• 36:30Speaker 07

  Don't involve your computer at all. That should just be word of mouth. Like, that's-

• 36:33Laci Mosley?

  It's a paper trail.

• 36:35Speaker 07

  Yes, yeah, you cannot, yeah, yeah. If, yeah, there's no, there's, if you do anything on the internet related to your hit, like, it will be found. Just a hot tip.

• 36:44Laci Mosley?

  Right, just a little secret, guys. Lean in close. If you wanna get a hitman, don't Google it.

• 36:51Speaker 07

  No, you can't involve Google.

• 36:53Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's like, also, like, you probably just gotta do the hit yourself.

• 36:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, I feel like you just have to take this one into your own hands. If you really, like, there's just, yeah. You can't outsource your murder, is I think the moral of this story. Like, if you're gonna murder, you just have to suck it up and murder. But I really, but I really hope you just don't murder, but if you really must, I feel like you have to do it.

• 37:14Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's like, you can't farm this out. And also, like, murder, not that tight, guys. Like, not that cool.

• 37:20Speaker 07

  No, it's kind of bad. Yeah, guys, it's, we have another hot take. We are not pro, we're actually, we're actually against murder.

• 37:27Laci Mosley?

  Anti-murder.

• 37:28Speaker 07

  We hate jail and we hate murder, but that's just like a little quirk about us.

• 37:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's just like, we're kinda weird like that, guys. Um, so I, you know, don't Google murder. So today, Bob keeps a spreadsheet of the requests that he's received, about 350 requests on that spreadsheet. Not all of them are murder for hire. Some of them are just people looking for assisted suicide options. Some of them are clearly hoaxes where they're trying to prank their friend. And some of them are for people who are seeking employment as a hitman?

• 37:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, I don't, what does that mean? Seeking employment?

• 38:01Laci Mosley?

  I went on Indeed.com and I was like, uh, I'm a hitman looking for work. Um, here's my cover letter. Um, I'm very proficient in murders. Um, I have great attention to detail, so said murders will not be discovered. Like, what's a good resume for a hitman?

• 38:18Speaker 07

  Right, yeah, it's, yeah, exactly. I don't understand, I don't understand the employment part.

• 38:23Laci Mosley?

  I'm unremarkable. Nobody ever remembers what I look like. They're trying to be a hitman that you can rent.

• 38:29Speaker 07

  Yeah, they are.

• 38:31Laci Mosley?

  I'm confusion. And so basically, out of 350 people, about 10% of these people are from, or these emails are from people who wanna cause harm to someone else. That's actually pretty low for rentahitman.com. And of those 10%, Bob asked the same two questions he always does. Do you still require our services?, and would you like me to place you in contact with a field operative? He, if he never hears back for them, he assumes that they figured it out. The website is still up and available. Can we click on the rentahitman.com website? I just wanna see-

• 39:01Speaker 07

  Oh, I gotta see.

• 39:02Laci Mosley?

  What's happening here. So we're about to look at rentahitman.com. I am so, my body is ready. Cause I'm just like, how do these people not know? Okay, so rentahitman.com. They got a cookie policy. It says, "Your privacy is important to us. In order to maintain 100% compliance with HIPAA, Hitman Information, Privacy, and Protection Act of 1964, we must use." So it says, "Accept and close." Don't accept that!

• 39:29Speaker 07

  No, don't accept, don't accept.

• 39:31Laci Mosley?

  You gonna have affairs knocking at our door like, "Knock, knock, knock." Hello? You need a hitman?

• 39:38Speaker 07

  This is a very, very like lofi, basic website, and I'm not surprised.

• 39:43Laci Mosley?

  It definitely is.

• 39:44Speaker 07

  There's nothing, nothing to judge it up. There's no artwork. It's just text, and that's exactly what I thought it would be.

• 39:51Laci Mosley?

  Right, they don't got no stock photos of satisfied murder customers.

• 39:55Speaker 07

  No. Oh, wait, here's some photos. Here's some photos.

• 39:58Laci Mosley?

  Okay, hold on.

• 39:58Speaker 07

  Okay, one says global crisis management, and there's a picture of the globe. And then there's something that's service inquiries, and it's a man's blurry face, which is also very suspicious.

• 40:08Laci Mosley?

  Right, and it's also the kind of man who looks like he would be in celli or like try to shoot something up or maybe be a murderer.

• 40:16Speaker 07

  Oh, here we go. Guido Finelli and family.

• 40:18Laci Mosley?

  Growing list of satisfied clients, really? Okay, so Guido Finelli, this poster, it says, and family have operated R A H, Rent a Hitman, continuously since 1920 and have proudly served both public and private sectors. So they're saying they also do hits for the government? What?

• 40:36Speaker 07

  I mean, this does not look like a government official website in any way. So I don't know what they mean by that.

• 40:42Laci Mosley?

  I mean, the government websites have been looking pretty jank these days.

• 40:45Speaker 07

  That's true, actually. You're right, they're not great. That's true. That's true.

• 40:49Laci Mosley?

  They don't have great web designers in the government. It says, the R A H family is consistently growing every day to keep up with the global market needs for murder? Like, this is all so vague. Um, want to join?

• 41:02Speaker 07

  They're like, it's, people across the globe want to murder people. It's international.

• 41:06Laci Mosley?

  Would you believe it? Every country has people who need to be murdered.

• 41:10Speaker 07

  Every country has people who are terrible. Yeah, exactly.

• 41:13Laci Mosley?

  The supply is birth and the demand is murder. So it says, want to join the R A H family? Use our web form to contact us and be sure to include a portrait headshot and any list of special skills you may have. Blood, breath, or urine testing may be required depending on your geographic locations. Um, so if you were a hitman, they're basically like, you can't smoke weed? Like, I don't, what?

• 41:40Speaker 07

  Also, I don't know about you, but just seeing this, the, this sentence that says, blood, comma, breath, or urine, like, just that sentence is so creepy to me. Like, blood, breath, or urine? I don't know why that, I just find that to be a jarring, it's just like a jarring combination of words. Yeah, it's just such a bodily sentence. Yeah, I just am creeped out.

• 41:58Laci Mosley?

  How are you gonna test my breath? Like, I breathe into something to mail it to you?

• 42:01Speaker 07

  I know, I was wondering that. I was like, wait, the other two I, I get, because there's vials of it, but breath? Yeah, it's like Back to the Ghost. It's just, there's nothing there. It's just an absence of something.

• 42:14Laci Mosley?

  Right, it says, R A H guarantees 100% satisfaction or your money back. Wow.

• 42:20Speaker 07

  I'm sure, I'm sure you get your money back.

• 42:21Laci Mosley?

  This is such a, this is a setup site for people who want to get murders done. It says, customer and service industry awards. They got awards for murder?

• 42:30Speaker 07

  This is so funny. These awards, you guys, they look like lava lamps.

• 42:34Laci Mosley?

  They do. These aren't real awards. It's a, it looks like a flame. What's, what is this?

• 42:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's like, it's like lava lamp meets like sperm. It has like a little tail. I don't understand what is happening. Those are the craziest looking awards.

• 42:48Laci Mosley?

  R A H prides itself on exceptional customer service and satisfaction. We are proud to be globally recognized as a leader in our industry.

• 42:57Speaker 07

  The murder industry. I mean, also, all of the, the way they're taught, there's so much text and they're not saying anything. Like, you know what I mean? It's like such filler. There's just no information at all.

• 43:10Laci Mosley?

  This is a troll site, because otherwise, like, if they were really doing the whole clicks thing that they promised, like, there would be something about some damn clicks. It says, business is booming. Hold on, go back down, Judith. It says, business is booming, and we have a special group and senior discount packages available, packages? To find out if you qualify, simply submit your service request form and a field operative will contact you shortly. Oh, wow, and scroll up, it says, we are still open during the COVID 19.

• 43:39Speaker 07

  COVID does not stop murderers. Oh, my God, rain or shine, we will do it. Rain, shine, or pandemic.

• 43:46Laci Mosley?

  Right, we got P P E.

• 43:48Speaker 07

  What breath or urine? We will do it.

• 43:50Laci Mosley?

  We got plenty of P P E for these murders, okay?

• 43:52Speaker 07

  Oh, my God.

• 43:53Laci Mosley?

  Don't worry, you're not gonna get COVID while we doing the murders. What? I, oh, God. Wow, this site is, go to rentahitman.com. Now, don't accept the cookies, because the government might find you, but I.

• 44:06Speaker 07

  It almost makes me think, okay, just really quick, the, the fact that, the thing that says, we are still open during the COVID, it's like the biggest part of the website. It's huge to the point where I'm like, do you have someone who's, who has COVID and that's how they're killing people? Like, they're gonna like have their COVID friend like go around someone and then that's how they're gonna like take them down?

• 44:25Laci Mosley?

  Do some strategic coughs, lick a few doorknobs.

• 44:28Speaker 07

  Exactly, exactly. Yeah, it's like, I feel like that's a strategy for them, for them to even care about the pandemic is surprising to me.

• 44:36Laci Mosley?

  Also, if you're a website that is like doing, like boosting for other pages and clicks and hits, that's all done remote, whether we were in a pandemic or not.

• 44:46Speaker 07

  Absolutely.

• 44:47Laci Mosley?

  I would, like, y'all doing in-person stuff? I guess the murders.

• 44:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, you can't do, you can't do Zoom murders. They, they unfortunately do, they do.

• 44:56Laci Mosley?

  They don't work. It's really hard to kill someone over Zoom. Um, yeah, I don't, Bob, you seem a little suspect to me. I don't know what your motivations are, Bob, but I'm, I'm not into it. I'm not into you, Bob. I don't know what you're doing.

• 45:09Speaker 07

  Not a Bob fan.

• 45:10Laci Mosley?

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• 48:14Laci Mosley?

  Guys, we're back for scammer of the week. This is where we'll highlight one famous charlatan that is worthy of our praise, or not, we'll figure it out as we go. This scammer of the week this week is a Twitter famous biker known as at Azusa Gaku Yuki. And they're actually revealed to be a 50 year old, old man using FaceApp on his phone. Wow, let's get a picture up for Jamie so that she can see.

• 48:40Speaker 07

  Definitely need a visual for this one.

• 48:42Laci Mosley?

  This 50 year old man, who actually is very handsome, is photoshopping his face to look like a woman. And he has really long hair and he's photoshopping his face to look like a woman on this bike. I'm like, okay, and FaceApp is a scam.

• 48:58Speaker 07

  Yes, yes, FaceApp is 100% a scam. Facetune, FaceApp, it's so creepy what you can do to alter your appearance.

• 49:07Laci Mosley?

  Right, and look, I have the apps, I try not to, I like to whiten my eyes sometimes if I'm tired.

• 49:12Speaker 07

  That's what I do, I whiten my eyes sometimes, yeah.

• 49:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but you still need to look like yourself. And like, look, have I gotten drunk and edited a photo too much and had to delete it? Absolutely, but you know, guys, when you're looking at celebrities on Insta or you're looking at the Kardashians, you're never really seeing what they actually look like. There's so much FaceApp, there's so much filtering. So that's a scam too. Don't think that you need to try to aspire to look like anybody on Instagram because they don't even look like that.

• 49:37Speaker 07

  Oh, I love calling that a scam. That's like, I don't know, there's, that brings me comfort to refer to that as a scam. It is 100% a scam.

• 49:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because the girls love to be like, oh, I put on this waist trainer and now I have like the waist, the size of like when you put your index finger and your thumb together, like that's my waist.

• 49:53Speaker 07

  It's a corset, you're wearing a corset. Like, women have fought to not have to wear corsets, don't go backwards.

• 49:59Laci Mosley?

  Come on, ladies, move them bones around for sexy. So she was known to thousands on Twitter followers as a beautiful biker documenting her life in Japan, until recently, when the true identity of this young woman was revealed. He was exposed on Monday Late Show, a popular Japanese variety show where hosts discuss the hottest and wackiest topics across the country. The production team had apparently tracked the biker down and found, instead of a bright eyed young woman, an almost equally bright eyed, middle aged man. The unnamed 50 year old admitted at the show that he uses FaceApp, the photo editing tool that drastically alters one's appearance, including their age and gender. He has been using it to turn himself into a Twitter famous biker chick and even demonstrated his process on TV.

• 50:42Laci Mosley?

  Wow, so he came out and aired himself out, okay. He apparently resorted to this Kawaii persona for social media and popularity. He said, if a girl like her existed, anybody would go crazy for her, right? Because she's a biker, but she's also hot. It's like that Megan Fox Ducati wet dream of like, just a hot woman on a nice bicycle. Or motorcycle, I said bicycle. I ride motorcycles, clearly I know a lot about it. So he altered his face to an unrecognizable degree, but his glorious golden mane is all his. Even before the shocking reveal on national television, Twitter users had already pointed out a suspicious detail in the photo that the biker tweeted on February 11th.

• 51:24Laci Mosley?

  The photo meant to show off the back view of the motorcycle also captured in the reflection, the biker's side mirror and a man who looked nothing like the woman in front of the Twitter account.

• 51:33Speaker 07

  Oh my god.

• 51:35Laci Mosley?

  He didn't edit his face in the mirror, so they're like, wait a minute.

• 51:41Laci Mosley?

  It's a grown ass man in the mirror, but then it's like a 20 year old woman in the, wow.

• 51:47Speaker 07

  I guess what I don't get too is like, what was the end game for him? Like, did he want to get endorsement deals and stuff? Is that like, I don't, I'm just trying to understand what he wanted out of it.

• 51:58Laci Mosley?

  Probably, because on Twitter, if you have viral tweets, people will DM you and ask you to market stuff on the tweet and you can get paid for that.

• 52:05Speaker 07

  But it's like, he must know, like, after a certain point, like you, you can't really like elevate your career if you can't be in person for things. So like, it would only take you so far.

• 52:17Laci Mosley?

  Right, especially because like, even in the pandemic, you gotta get on Zoom and there's, is there FaceApp for Zoom?

• 52:22Speaker 07

  Instagram Live, or yeah, oh god, well, there is a filter degree, like a filter. They have a couple of different filters, I think, for Zoom.

• 52:31Laci Mosley?

  That's true, I guess he could get on there and look like a wombat or something, some kind of filter.

• 52:37Speaker 07

  It would just smooth him out, it wouldn't like completely alter his face. I don't think they have that, although honestly, if Zoom continues, someone is definitely going to like, come up with a proper filter pack and it's going to be really fucking creepy.

• 52:49Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna show up and put on the Oprah filter and try to get more money. It's me, I love bread, and like, all she says is I love bread, is this really Oprah Zoom?

• 53:00Speaker 07

  I feel like it might not be Oprah, it's just a hunch.

• 53:03Laci Mosley?

  She just keeps saying, I love bread.

• 53:07Laci Mosley?

  That's all she knows, and Weight Watchers?

• 53:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, Weight Watchers, yep.

• 53:11Laci Mosley?

  Were you silenced, or were you silent, you know?

• 53:18Speaker 07

  Weight Watchers is definitely a scam, side note.

• 53:20Laci Mosley?

  Right, big time, but listen, if it works for you, work it, okay?

• 53:26Speaker 07

  Of course, of course.

• 53:27Laci Mosley?

  Count those points.

• 53:28Speaker 07

  I listened to this whole podcast about Weight Watchers and I was like, oh no, this is like so creepy, anyway.

• 53:35Laci Mosley?

  It truly is, but you know, weight loss in general is a scam.

• 53:39Speaker 07

  It's so hard, yeah, weight loss is, oh, everything's a scam.

• 53:42Laci Mosley?

  There's no way to just lose weight quickly and healthily.

• 53:45Speaker 07

  The dieting industry fully is a scam.

• 53:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and it all depends on making sure that you have low self-esteem, you know what I mean? They love to target you late at night, you'll see more ads for diet commercials at night, because statistically, people who have higher BMIs tend to not sleep as early. And so, once scientists found that out, the ad, you know, industry was like, oh, okay, then we'll run like hydroxy cut and lose, here's somebody with a very large pair of pants that they probably never ever wore, holding them up in front of their tiny body. And the funny thing to me is that there's so many fat people who are way healthier than skinny people. A lot of health has to do with genetics, so you can have low blood pressure, be healthy, but the whole scam of the diet industry is like, we have to make you feel like bad and like, so much of America.

• 54:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, and also the scam is that they tell you that skinny automatically equals healthy, which is 100% not true, yeah.

• 54:41Laci Mosley?

  And it's bad too, because it's infiltrated our medical industry in such a pervasive way that doctors are so discriminatory. If you're black, if you're fat, if you're a person of color, if you're a woman, any of these things, whenever you go to the doctor, you should always be seeking a second opinion, especially if there's something that you need to get done or a surgery, because doctors are scammers too. I have fibroids and I had a doctor, you know, tell me, one, I had a doctor before that who was like, we're gonna get you into early menopause, and I was like, I'm 25, I don't want to go into early menopause. Then later in my twenties, now, I've gone to a doctor who was like, okay, so we're gonna take your uterus out and you'll be in the hospital for two days. And I was like, okay, but the fibroid isn't in my uterus, right? He was like, yeah, no, but that, I'm really good at that surgery.

• 55:26Laci Mosley?

  I was like, oh, so you go give me the take my pussy out surgery because you're good at it?

• 55:30Speaker 07

  Oh my god.

• 55:31Laci Mosley?

  Well, that's not what I need, my coochie don't need to be on the floor to OR, but you gonna do it anyway?

• 55:36Speaker 07

  Oh my god, my mouth is on the floor, that is so horrifying.

• 55:40Laci Mosley?

  He was like, look, this is what I'm good at, is taking the girl's coochies out. Now, you don't need that, but.

• 55:45Speaker 07

  Yeah, you can't, you can't like, do the surgery you like doing because it boosts your ego. Like, that's not, that's not how surgery works. You're like, I'm really good at it, you're like, no, that's.

• 55:55Laci Mosley?

  Right, you're gonna have a huge scar and you're gonna have to stay in the hospital when really you could do outpatient.

• 56:00Speaker 07

  I want to be clear, you don't need it, but I am good at it, so it's fun for me to do it.

• 56:04Laci Mosley?

  It would just be really good for me and my self-esteem, if you let me pull your pussy out, just real quick.

• 56:10Speaker 07

  I feel like a major big shot when I do that surgery, so if you don't mind being a guinea pig for me, that would be great.

• 56:15Laci Mosley?

  Cool, cool.

• 56:16Speaker 07

  Cool.

• 56:17Laci Mosley?

  Um, but I honestly understand this man because he's right. A hot woman on a bike is gonna sell better than like an older man on a bike, and I get this grift, I really do. So he was altering his face and even before the shocking reveal, people, you know, I picked up on him being in behind one of the cameras because I saw the mirror, which I love. The internet is so thorough, they will be like, what's that in the back?

• 56:39Speaker 07

  Yes, I love that sleuth mentality of like, hold on, let me zoom in, oh my god.

• 56:46Laci Mosley?

  The zoom in is, people are petty and I love it. So, and you know what's funny is like, before Black Ladies Sketch Show came out and I could talk about it, we were, it was like, it was like, it's a big secret, like, you can't talk about it, you can't take photos in your trailer, all this shit. And one time I was on Twitter and I was saying like Issa, like Issa Knife, like 21 Savage or whatever, and someone noticed that my phone auto capitalizes Issa. And so they're like, why does your phone auto cap Issa? Do you work with Issa Rae? And I was like, what the hell?

• 57:14Speaker 07

  Whoa, that is really impressive attention to detail.

• 57:19Laci Mosley?

  Right, people, people pay attention on the internet, I love it. I mean, at this point, after the capital insurrection, the FBI was like, hey, girls, it's us, the F to be in the eye. Do y'all mind getting on Twitter and finding these girls who can't sit at capital for us?

• 57:35Laci Mosley?

  Y'all don't know how to do that? Because y'all definitely killed all the Black civil rights leaders. Y'all know where to find Fred Hampton, but y'all can't find these insurrectionists? I gotta look?

• 57:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, the worst.

• 57:44Laci Mosley?

  But it was actually very easy to find them. Guys, don't film your crimes, but if you're a racist, film your crimes.

• 57:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, keep filming.

• 57:51Laci Mosley?

  We love it. We love that for you. So the photo meant to show off the back view of the motorcycle also, you know, captured that reflection. Um, and someone on Twitter said, you're using a cute phone case. Um, which basically they're being like, we see you in that side mirror system. And like, who is this? Who are you? So how do you feel about Azusa? Do we like Azusa? He wasn't harming anybody, you know? He was just being cute.

• 58:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, it was pretty benign what he did. Um, it's interesting to me that that's like what he wants to get attention for is like being a hot girl on a bike and wanting the life of a hot girl on a bike. I think that says a lot about internet culture and like how we glorify influencers and Instagram. And yeah, and just being like, that is the new frontier. Like, if you can make money doing that, you've, you've done it.

• 58:39Laci Mosley?

  Right. And you can make good money doing that. It's a lot of work to constantly be doing photo shoots and shit. But like, you know, you can make great money. And like, it doesn't say here if, you know, Azusa, the real guy, the fifth year old, identifies as this gender, so I'm not going to put that on him.

• 58:53Speaker 07

  Right.

• 58:53Laci Mosley?

  But I understand being like, oh, hot girls on Instagram get more likes and get more attention. So.

• 58:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, that's, that's more what I was thinking is just like, yeah, I think that the, the thought behind it actually makes a lot of sense. And I think it says a lot about our culture.

• 59:10Laci Mosley?

  Right, it really does. But guys, that brings us to the end of another episode. And Jamie, we always ask, where do you want to be found? Where do you want people to find you?

• 59:19Speaker 07

  Uh, where do I want to be found? I would love to be found on Netflix. I have a show called The Wedding Coach and it drops on April 7th. And then I also would like to be found on Instagram at Really Jamie Lee.

• 59:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes, thank you so much for being here, Jamie. You're so fantastic. I loved you on Girl Coach. I love that show so, so, so much, um, starting in comedy. So like, uh, so it's so surreal to have you here. I love it.

• 59:43Speaker 07

  Thank you. And sorry that my dogs were growling the entire time.

• 59:45Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, I love it.

• 59:46Speaker 07

  Quite friendly.

• 59:47Laci Mosley?

  I love that they're getting into the frame, like you're one dog in the back on that chair. It's like, hey, girl. I love it. We love to see it. Guys, as always, you can find us on Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms. There's gonna be new merch coming out, guys. I'm gonna get a cube for you, I promise. Um, I've seen all your replies and everything on Twitter and Insta. Also, if you want to find me, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacey, on all platforms. Congregation, stay scheming.

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