Prison to Phone and Back to Prison Pipeline with La'Ron Hines

Did y'all know people be scamming from inside the prison? Comedian La'Ron Hines joins Laci to learn more about the elaborate scams prisoners are pulling with the help of correctional officers and coordinated drone drops. Plus, they debate which NY airport requires the most suffering and whether or not Mike Tyson needs to earn his freedom or keep these homophobes in check. SUPPORT LA'RON: https://www.tiktok.com/@laronhinesofficial/video/6955959823951203590?lang=en SOCIALS: La'Ron Hines: @LaRonHinesOfficial https://www.instagram.com/laronhinesofficial/?hl=en Laci Mosley: @divalaci https://www.instagram.com/divalaci/?hl=en WE'RE ON YOUTUBE: Join us on YouTube! See Laci, the guests, and fraudsters: https://www.youtube.com/@ScamGoddess SOURCES: https://apple.news/ACBnjUVv0SSeOT1Lx8Q7P-g https://www.wsj.com/us-news/inmates-phone-scams-prisons-784f6c2c https://www.cacp.uscourts.gov/2023/09/18/news/fraud-targeting-inmates-and-families-information https://www.corrections1.com/contraband/the-fcc-may-allow-prison-cellphone-jamming-what-corrections-leaders-should-consider See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 3:48Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. One thing's for sure, we might laugh at the scammer, but will never laugh at the victims of the scam. This is a comedy show. I do need to remind people of that from time to time. Congregation, if you're not new here, you already know. Yes, call in action. We're very what? Yes, excited, thrilled, elated. The world might be burning, but we are still finding a way to laugh as we inhale the carbon monoxide. All right, y'all. Today, I am so lucky to have this guest. He is a dear friend of mine. He is a super talent, and I'm sure you've seen him every single place.

• 4:33Laci Mosley?

  La'Ron Hines is a multifaceted lifestyle and entertainment creator, known for his viral series, Are You Smarter Than a Preschooler? And in today's world, hmm, in which

• 4:46Laci Mosley?

  Are You Smarter Than a Preschooler? Is where La'Ron Hines interviews both children and celebrities, such as stoopdog Taraji P. Henson and Barack Obama. His content has earned him recognition as a top creator by Forbes and Rolling Stone. La'Ron, thank you so much for being here.

• 5:01Speaker 07

  Oh, my gosh, thank you for having me. You know what I just realized as I was sitting here? I have been on three different versions of Scam Goddess.

• 5:09Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 5:10Speaker 07

  I did the audio one when I was over Zoom.

• 5:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 5:13Speaker 07

  Then we did the one last year.

• 5:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh, in person.

• 5:17Speaker 07

  In person.

• 5:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 5:19Speaker 07

  We were at another office, but now I'm in this set.

• 5:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes, now we have a set.

• 5:22Speaker 07

  Now we're here.

• 5:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 5:23Speaker 07

  This is crazy.

• 5:25Laci Mosley?

  I'm glad, I love it.

• 5:26Speaker 07

  I feel like I'm growing with the show.

• 5:28Laci Mosley?

  I love it for us.

• 5:29Speaker 07

  I feel like I'm

• 5:30Laci Mosley?

  That's my scam.

• 5:31Speaker 07

  That's the scam, yes.

• 5:32Laci Mosley?

  Have you on a little speed dial, hopefully?

• 5:35Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 5:35Laci Mosley?

  For the rest of your extremely successful career.

• 5:38Speaker 07

  Listen, if Scam Goddess called, I'm picking up every time.

• 5:44Laci Mosley?

  You were at the Met Gala, I'm like, I'm outside.

• 5:46Speaker 07

  And I'm

• 5:46Laci Mosley?

  No, just open the back door.

• 5:48Speaker 07

  No.

• 5:48Laci Mosley?

  No, I'm in theme. Just

• 5:49Speaker 07

  As long as you're in theme. If you're in theme, we can work.

• 5:53Laci Mosley?

  We can work this out.

• 5:53Speaker 07

  I'll talk to Ann.

• 5:54Laci Mosley?

  No, I'm gonna pull up a chair at your table. Wait, $30,000 a plate? I'ma just, give me the saucer.

• 5:59Speaker 07

  Lacey, by that point, we gonna both be at the Met Gala together.

• 6:03Laci Mosley?

  I'd love to sneak in just once.

• 6:04Speaker 07

  Dressed by Gucci.

• 6:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh, love it.

• 6:06Speaker 07

  Or anybody, if they're not canceled at that time.

• 6:09Laci Mosley?

  Right, right.

• 6:09Speaker 07

  Somebody that's not

• 6:10Laci Mosley?

  Whoever's not evil at the time.

• 6:13Speaker 07

  You know?

• 6:13Laci Mosley?

  Which could be no one.

• 6:14Speaker 07

  No one.

• 6:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 6:15Speaker 07

  It'll just be us.

• 6:16Laci Mosley?

  The lesser of the evil.

• 6:17Speaker 07

  The lesser of the evil.

• 6:18Laci Mosley?

  Maybe we'll so.

• 6:19Speaker 07

  Maybe Fenty will start dressing people for the Met Gala. Rihanna might go into the Fenty Fashion House next.

• 6:24Laci Mosley?

  We know we not getting no more music.

• 6:25Speaker 07

  She's going everywhere but the studio, actually.

• 6:28Laci Mosley?

  She's avoiding it.

• 6:29Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 6:31Laci Mosley?

  I feel like she drives past a music studio, she holds her breath, like you know how people used to do when they're driving past cemeteries? It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 6:39Speaker 07

  She's probably scared she's gonna catch the music bug and wanna go back in there.

• 6:44Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, I feel like she worried the bug gonna catch her 'cause they been trying to wrap her up or something. I love her freedom, I love that for her.

• 6:50Speaker 07

  I do.

• 6:50Laci Mosley?

  Now, on this third iteration of us on this podcast, I have to ask you again, now what's your relationship with scams? Any new scams? Any new scams? Anybody who's been scammed? It could literally be anyone.

• 7:01Speaker 07

  Oh, my gosh, I just recently had a crazy scam. Like, had me on the phone for 30 minutes. So basically

• 7:08Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 7:08Speaker 07

  So basically

• 7:09Laci Mosley?

  You know you got free will, right?

• 7:10Speaker 07

  I do, I do, I do, but I was having fun at that point.

• 7:13Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I love this, okay.

• 7:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, so basically, this guy calls me. I'm on the plane, right? You're not supposed to answer the phone on the plane.

• 7:19Laci Mosley?

  What kind of plane are you on? Y'all know La'Ron's an influencer, okay? He could be on a G6 for all we know. He gonna say plane, no keeping it humble.

• 7:26Speaker 07

  I was on a Delta Airlines.

• 7:28Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 7:29Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 7:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 7:29Speaker 07

  Leaving LaGuardia. Not JFK, that's the nicer one. It was LaGuardia.

• 7:35Laci Mosley?

  JFK is the hood to me.

• 7:37Speaker 07

  Is it?

• 7:38Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it's too goddamn big.

• 7:39Speaker 07

  Then why is the ticket cheaper?

• 7:40Laci Mosley?

  What you mean, I got a 30-minute walk to my gate? Because that's why it's cheaper at JFK.

• 7:43Speaker 07

  I mean, why are the tickets more expensive?

• 7:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh, because, I don't know, they want every form of pain, they want at JFK. First, they gonna try to attack you with a dog. And then after the dog circles around you, and you don't get bit by the dog, then you go through TSA, you show them your booty hole. Then, once you get out of there, and they take all your good soaps and lotions. Then, and they gonna take the unopened shit, too. Like, uh-uh, one time my momma sent me home with a Jo Malone, like, full kit, and this half a, it had a bow on it. Bitch, you know I'm not about to blow up nothing with no damn Jo Malone. Okay, now, I could get if this was like Victoria's Secret Body Fantasy Collection. I would be like, yeah, why do you have so much?

• 8:22Speaker 07

  Come above that, because I need that.

• 8:25Laci Mosley?

  Why you got so much vanilla bean spray in 2026? Yes, that's questionable. She took my shit, and I saw her eyes having plans for it.

• 8:33Speaker 07

  Yes, she wanted that. That was hers. That was hers the second she saw it.

• 8:37Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, great grift. If I was in TSA, I would have a scale like a drug dealer, and I would just be weighing everybody's stuff.

• 8:44Speaker 07

  If you work at TSA, you kind of have to double-bag the garbage. That way, you put the stuff that you own in one bag, and then you put it to the side.

• 8:52Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 8:52Speaker 07

  Yes, I think that's what you do.

• 8:54Laci Mosley?

  I gotta confiscate this.

• 8:55Speaker 07

  I gotta confiscate this.

• 8:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you gotta make sure you on trash duty or like, whatever duty.

• 8:59Speaker 07

  That MacBook right here is looking a little suspicious.

• 9:02Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I know somebody got one of my MacBooks. I left it on the way to Ireland. And now, like, at the airport, you can't just go to a lost and found. They make you go scan a QR code and do a bunch of shit. And like, there was like, what's the serial number? I was like, I don't know.

• 9:14Speaker 07

  Serial number? I'm not Steve Jobs, I don't know the serial numbers.

• 9:18Laci Mosley?

  What the fuck you mean serial number? I barely know the numbers I got to know for me.

• 9:21Speaker 07

  Yes, like, who would know that?

• 9:24Laci Mosley?

  Right. Okay, like, back in the day, though, when we had iPods and stuff, like, I feel like people did know their serial numbers a little better. But not in this day and age. It was a work computer, though, thank God, but like, I know somebody got that.

• 9:34Speaker 07

  Some people don't even know their cellphone numbers. I almost say we don't, but I do. But some people don't even know their cellphone numbers.

• 9:40Laci Mosley?

  I got like three major ones memorized, like, in case of emergencies and mine.

• 9:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 9:45Laci Mosley?

  I should throw some more in there.

• 9:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm trying to

• 9:47Laci Mosley?

  But let's get back to you. So, LaGuardia.

• 9:49Speaker 07

  LaGuardia, yes, so I'm on the plane. I get a call. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. And it says my bank on there, so I'm like, okay, let me answer this. Because I just left, like, New York, so I was like, I went to a couple, like, I went to Soho.

• 10:01Laci Mosley?

  So they might have been like, is this you?

• 10:02Speaker 07

  Yeah, I went to Soho, so it's like, you know, a couple, they're not, every store in Soho is not like a major chain. Like, you got some local businesses there, so it's like, I gotta check, let me see. Hello? They're like, we have somebody that's trying to use your card. And they said something about, like, in Atlanta? I was like, in Atlanta? What is going on? That sound like a scam. They're like, was that you? I was like, no, that's not me. And then, as the conversation kept going, we got to a part where he was like, yeah, we're gonna have to, like, reset all your numbers. We need to reset your account number, your routing, all of this. I was like

• 10:33Laci Mosley?

  Reset your account number?

• 10:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, I was like, oh, you gotta do all that? Okay, play, how we doing this? He said, it's one of two ways. Either we could, like, he said something about, we could send you something in cashier's check, and it takes a long time. Like, it was like 70 business days or something. Or, the simpler way, you transfer all your money into your Cash App, and we reset it. I said, do what? They said, not all your money, just maybe like $5,000. I was like

• 11:02Laci Mosley?

  Okay, since when is the bank trying to make deals? Okay, not all your money, just like, how much you got in checking?

• 11:08Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 11:09Laci Mosley?

  Again, this is Bank of America.

• 11:10Speaker 07

  This is, they were like, this is Bank of America, yeah, this is us. But they were, um, he was like, yeah, um, put like $5,000 in your Cash App. We partner with Cash App, we have great, we have a great connection with Cash App. And he kept talking about the, he kept using the F, is it F?

• 11:25Laci Mosley?

  FDIC?

• 11:25Speaker 07

  FDIC, yeah, he kept bringing up the FDIC. And I'm like, you can't just keep saying the FDIC's name and vein like this, sir, like, that's...

• 11:33Laci Mosley?

  Name and vein is crazy.

• 11:34Speaker 07

  You, you using the FDIC just to, just to, like, confirm everything that you're saying?

• 11:41Laci Mosley?

  Why not? You know, cults got they made up, uh, you know, people in disguise, Z-nom. Why not FDIC? Especially if you worship money like it's God anyway, you know?

• 11:50Speaker 07

  That's fair.

• 11:50Laci Mosley?

  Because I'm saying this on the F, the...

• 11:52Speaker 07

  The FDIC.

• 11:53Laci Mosley?

  The D and the C.

• 11:54Speaker 07

  And the C, Jesus.

• 11:55Laci Mosley?

  In his name.

• 11:56Speaker 07

  In the book of the FDIC.

• 11:58Laci Mosley?

  In the Fed's name.

• 11:59Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 12:01Laci Mosley?

  Also, like, why are we, Cash App is one of the more, Cash App's part of the show. One of the more scammy apps where, like, people are engaging in the scam on it. I won't call Cash App a scammy app.

• 12:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, but people get scammed.

• 12:14Laci Mosley?

  But people, some people get on there for nefarious things.

• 12:16Speaker 07

  They do, yes.

• 12:17Laci Mosley?

  Also, Bank of America ain't never told nobody to transfer no money out of their bank to anywhere else. They don't want you to spend your money. That's why they be calling you all the time, talking about, is this you? Is this you? I know you ain't spending that money, we got plans for. Give us that money that we got plans for.

• 12:28Speaker 07

  But what was getting me was the fact they called me and the caller ID said it was my bank. Like, same number as my bank. So I'm confused. So I hang up and I call the number back. But, um, mind you, when he first called, he said, if we did, get this, if we get disconnected, we're gonna call you back because we don't want you to call us back because we're gonna, um, get lost and you're gonna get a whole new representative. I was like, okay, yeah, that sounds fair.

• 12:51Laci Mosley?

  I have never seen a representative try to stay the representative.

• 12:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, exactly, so I...

• 12:56Laci Mosley?

  They don't wanna do that job.

• 12:57Speaker 07

  Yeah, but then I, I was like, if I can hang up, he'll, he'll call me back if he need me. So I hang up and I was like, but you know what? I'm gonna call just so I can see, and I put him on hold. So I put him on hold and then I called the bank.

• 13:07Laci Mosley?

  You did a three-way, like Mean Girls?

• 13:08Speaker 07

  Yes, I three-wayed them. So I call her, I'm like, hey, um, I got somebody on the other line. They're saying that they're with the bank and that there's fraud and that I need to do this. And then she stopped me halfway and then she completed my sentence and was like, they asked you to transfer money to your Cash App and like, she said, yeah, a couple of people had did it and they got them, they got their money. Out of their Cash App. But I was like, oh, but you didn't do it, right? I said, no, I didn't. I said, I actually got him on the other line, you wanna talk to him?

• 13:38Speaker 07

  And she was like, she's like, no, I can't do that.

• 13:40Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, come on, be messy.

• 13:41Speaker 07

  I was like, please.

• 13:42Laci Mosley?

  She's playing, I would've did it. Conversation is recorded, though.

• 13:45Speaker 07

  Exactly, that's true. But no, she basically cleared it up and I got off the phone with them. But I almost got scammed.

• 13:50Laci Mosley?

  I love you being the messy friend, like, but do you wanna get in on this stuff?

• 13:54Speaker 07

  You wanna like, you could like, you could really like, really shake them up if I bring you in.

• 13:58Laci Mosley?

  It's like, sir, I work here from 9 to 5 and that is it, that's all.

• 14:01Speaker 07

  And I'm pretty sure she's remote from her house. So I'm sure she does not want to be messy with some random man on the phone while she's at her home.

• 14:08Laci Mosley?

  See, they, they wouldn't want me being a teller because I would've been like, yeah, click over, click over. I'm, I'ma pretend to be your mama.

• 14:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, you gotta stop the recording right there, too.

• 14:15Laci Mosley?

  Right, I would've had a roll, I would've been fully, fully involved in everything.

• 14:18Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 14:19Laci Mosley?

  We could really turn it up, and I'm in the hospital. I'ma make random hootens and hollerens while you in the background, like, ah, my leg! Give him the money, baby! Like, just for a little razzle-dazzle.

• 14:29Speaker 07

  Just for a razzle-dazzle.

• 14:31Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna be involved.

• 14:32Speaker 07

  I need to hear that, my leg, again.

• 14:35Laci Mosley?

  It's very SpongeBob-coded.

• 14:36Speaker 07

  It was.

• 14:37Laci Mosley?

  I am a child of SpongeBob.

• 14:39Speaker 07

  True.

• 14:40Laci Mosley?

  But so, when they asked for the numbers, what did you tell them instead? Because you didn't give them the numbers, right?

• 14:44Speaker 07

  No, I just hung up on them. I, I didn't really have anything else to do because she wouldn't play along. I'm like, I had a whole plan with you. And it's like, but she didn't play along. She was a black woman, too, so I'm like, sister, you gotta, you gotta join in on the shenanigans. You gotta join in on the shenanigans.

• 14:59Laci Mosley?

  That's why she did it, because she was like, this is my job, sir. I come in here to clock in, clock out.

• 15:04Speaker 07

  That's fair.

• 15:04Laci Mosley?

  She probably don't wanna do no water cooler talk, she probably not with the shenanigans. Her work friends, not her real friends.

• 15:09Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 15:10Laci Mosley?

  She don't go to happy hours.

• 15:11Speaker 07

  What Barbara Howard say? I do my work, I go home.

• 15:16Laci Mosley?

  Period.

• 15:16Speaker 07

  That's what she said.

• 15:17Laci Mosley?

  Isn't this the kind of me? She was like, no, I'm not hanging out.

• 15:19Speaker 07

  You can't, you can't because a, a drink at the bar is $86 and then you gotta pay for parking. And it's 25 for parking and it's only 15-minute parking.

• 15:30Laci Mosley?

  And don't have two drinks and not wait two hours for it to process through your system that you gotta pay for an Uber. And depending on how much you make or where you live, they gonna charge you an arm and a leg.

• 15:38Speaker 07

  Exactly, and don't DoorDash the food.

• 15:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, that, the, the pricing, dynamic pricing is so insane now. And that's one of the reasons, like, I mean, Delta came out and said it at an earnings call and was like, yeah, so now we're gonna start, um, our, our next phase, which is exploitative pricing.

• 15:58Laci Mosley?

  Like, they were calling it that. And it's where like AI like studies your patterns, like figures out how much money you make, figures out how much you need to go on a trip. Like, let's say if you like Google funeral or if they see bereavement or anything like that in your socials, then they might attribute you booking a flight last minute to going to a funeral.

• 16:13Speaker 07

  We talked about this last time, I remember that.

• 16:15Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it's getting worse. But Delta said, no, never mind, we not gonna do that, but they doing it. I'm gonna try to buy a flight at the library and see if it's cheaper than on my phone.

• 16:24Speaker 07

  Oh, you're smart.

• 16:25Laci Mosley?

  I just wanna see.

• 16:25Speaker 07

  You're smart.

• 16:26Laci Mosley?

  I just wanna see.

• 16:27Speaker 07

  Because you know, I actually like, man, I am a silver medallion member with Delta. So like, this is disheartening to hear.

• 16:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I got all the, all the medals, too.

• 16:38Speaker 07

  I have the medals, I go to the lounge sometimes.

• 16:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 16:42Speaker 07

  Like, on a, like...

• 16:42Laci Mosley?

  And so I'm like, I gotta test it out because I do think they hoeing me.

• 16:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 16:45Laci Mosley?

  I think they're hoeing me. And they gotta stop. I, I miss when they didn't know anything about us. We should all be paying the same price for a flight. What do you mean, you got it? No, I'm not paying proportional price.

• 16:54Speaker 07

  Was that much?

• 16:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 16:56Speaker 07

  Y'all read my emails, I was there for work.

• 17:00Laci Mosley?

  And now, and, and the, the gaslighting thing about AI now is like, it's like trying to act like it's doing you a favor. Why are you in my Gmail talking about, we ran this for you, girl? They talk about some, no, I didn't ask you to do that. I did not ask you to do that.

• 17:13Speaker 07

  No, the, um, on Google, the automatic, uh, AI, um, summary at the top.

• 17:18Laci Mosley?

  Yes, which is like, I didn't ask you to waste this water. I like, turn this off, what do you mean?

• 17:23Speaker 07

  I didn't ask you to...

• 17:24Laci Mosley?

  I feel like AI is like a, a nosey auntie, like peeking over your shoulder. And like, your font is too big and they like...

• 17:31Speaker 07

  Now everyone is kinda using it unknowingly, essentially. Like, everything is, has it just kinda built in now.

• 17:37Laci Mosley?

  And people just think like, oh, no, I'm using it for chat and helps you send emails. You should be able to do that by yourself. And also, like, do you want chat increasing the prices for everything you have? Because they know exactly how you make, how much you make, so now you have to pay proportionally to what you earn and you can't save? That's crazy.

• 17:49Speaker 07

  Ooh.

• 17:50Laci Mosley?

  But I'm so...

• 17:51Speaker 07

  I'm glad I have not told nobody what I made on there.

• 17:54Laci Mosley?

  I'm sorry that they tried to get you at 35,000 feet.

• 17:55Speaker 07

  Yeah, they did.

• 17:56Laci Mosley?

  That's wild.

• 17:56Speaker 07

  They did, in the air. Well, actually, I had a layover, so I was landing and then I was at my layover, so I was walking...

• 18:01Laci Mosley?

  That's how the signal works. Because I was like, what kinda like cellular device do you have that you getting sky calls?

• 18:06Speaker 07

  See, so I was landing and when I land, I'm on my way to my layover. So I got my bag and I'm talking and I'm on Cash App. And then I'm like, Cash App, okay?

• 18:17Speaker 07

  This is a scam.

• 18:18Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 18:18Speaker 07

  Let me call you right back, young man. I hang up and then I...

• 18:21Laci Mosley?

  And they use AI to clone that number. And so, and that's been happening for a long time, even before we saw this boom in, you know, generative AI.

• 18:28Speaker 07

  They probably use AI to do the voices because I heard a black man, I'm like, brother.

• 18:32Laci Mosley?

  And now, like, I saw...

• 18:34Speaker 07

  You can't scam me.

• 18:35Laci Mosley?

  Now you feel personally like hurt, like, my, my brother.

• 18:38Speaker 07

  I personally feel like every... I feel like every black man is my cousin.

• 18:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 18:42Speaker 07

  I have to in this economy. Like, in this day and age, we have to.

• 18:46Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, in this day and age, I think we have no relatives.

• 18:48Speaker 07

  We, you're right.

• 18:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 18:50Speaker 07

  You're right, it's just me, actually.

• 18:53Laci Mosley?

  Same as the day I was born, Jesus.

• 18:55Speaker 07

  Came into this world by myself.

• 18:57Laci Mosley?

  Oh, oh, oh, it's tragic, it really is.

• 19:00Speaker 07

  Twins can't say that, that's crazy.

• 19:02Laci Mosley?

  But I'm glad you didn't fall for it and I'm glad you called the bank because it's always what I recommend if somebody seems suspicious. Also, there's no such thing as we're changing your routing number over the phone.

• 19:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, and he meant that.

• 19:12Laci Mosley?

  And also, if they suspect fraud, they'll freeze your account. They certainly won't make you change all your personal information over the phone.

• 19:18Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 19:19Laci Mosley?

  That's not a thing. So y'all do exactly what LaRonde did, call the bank, hop off the phone. I've been seeing y'all on threads and other apps, like, posting, um, like, threads of y'all texting with scammers back and forth. I just wanna reiterate that sometimes when a random text comes to your phone and it's like, hey, are we still on for lunch? And it's a number you don't know and they're calling you Tina and your name is John. A lot of times, they're fishing to see if you are atta, if your number is attached to a human being. So once they can prove that, then they can continue to further monetize on your number. So sometimes when you respond, you're just confirming that that number is attached to a human being. And that's why they don't ever really want anything or continue the conversation. And I used to troll them, too, and then when I found that out, I was like, damn.

• 20:03Speaker 07

  Y'all are sick because I used to have a good time talking to y'all.

• 20:08Laci Mosley?

  And that's why they always cut off and don't ask for nothing. I really think they're just trying to make sure that it's a human attached.

• 20:13Speaker 07

  I keep thinking, I'm like, wow, somebody is really out there playing with my number like this. Like, y'all is really throwing it around and y'all is like, who, I was like, I have, I had one from the same name and I couldn't remember. I was like, oh, you are really out in these streets and you giving your number away.

• 20:29Laci Mosley?

  It's how generated, like they did with the other ones, it's a mess. Ah, but here we are and there we go. Scams!

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• 21:08Speaker 01

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• 21:51Speaker 01

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• 21:59Speaker 04

  I'm Melissa Jelton and in my new podcast, What Happened to Her? I'm bringing you new stories and conversations every week. Stories about women whose deaths were too quickly ruled a suicide.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  She was starting to get worried and get scared for her safety.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  Stories of survival. The only difference between me and her, frankly... Luckily, it was a little bit of luck because by all rights, I should be dead. Cases that everyone else called closed.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  They can't convict her, right? Like, she has so much evidence.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  These stories all start in the same place, with a woman failed by a system that didn't believe her, that didn't protect her, that didn't see her.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  No child should ever experience that. And we were babies.

• 22:45Laci Mosley?

  She did all of these brave things and came out and spoke about it, and he got a year.

• 22:51Speaker 05

  You never know who that devil is because he's wearing a disguise. Sometimes it's a police uniform.

• 22:57Speaker 04

  Listen to What Happened to Her on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 23:07Laci Mosley?

  Now it's time to get into my favorite segment of the show, Historic Hoodwings. This is where I will regale La'Ron with the famous con caper group of criminals. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them. We will see along the way. All right, so today's Historic Hoodwink, we're gonna be talking about, we're gonna go to prison.

• 23:23Speaker 07

  Oh, I don't wanna go there.

• 23:26Laci Mosley?

  Only figuratively.

• 23:27Speaker 07

  Okay, okay.

• 23:29Laci Mosley?

  No, I've seen jail talk. I don't wanna, I don't wanna be in nobody's prison.

• 23:32Speaker 07

  TikToks on a

• 23:35Laci Mosley?

  I'm glad they have phones.

• 23:38Laci Mosley?

  Which actually is gonna come into the, yes, they have the, they be making TikToks, they be making bricks.

• 23:41Speaker 07

  They be battling on live.

• 23:43Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 23:43Speaker 07

  Counting money on stream. I'm like, why you got it better than me? And I'm out here.

• 23:48Laci Mosley?

  I mean, they do have free room and board, but it's inhumane living conditions and slave labor.

• 23:53Speaker 07

  And then their meals look so easy to draw, too.

• 23:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but

• 23:55Speaker 07

  Like, there's no detail in their meal.

• 23:57Laci Mosley?

  The food is barely human quality. So, you know, it's, it's, there's a lot of things I don't agree with about the prison system.

• 24:03Speaker 07

  We gotta fix that. We gotta fix that. We gotta, we gotta fix that.

• 24:06Laci Mosley?

  That's all it's been, for-profit prisons, please. Like, it's just slavery. So, prison inmates with secret phones are scamming each other's families. So, the call is coming from inside the big house.

• 24:19Speaker 07

  The big house.

• 24:21Laci Mosley?

  It's a house, all right.

• 24:24Laci Mosley?

  So, a phone scam is targeting people currently in prison and their families. Now, scammers, y'all are stooping way too low. Yeah, how you gonna, how you gonna scam somebody who's already in prison?

• 24:34Speaker 07

  The vulnerable.

• 24:36Laci Mosley?

  Like, they had already got, well, some of them need to be there. I don't know until we figure out what to do with y'all. Some of y'all can't be rehabilitated. But a lot of people are in there because of a pipeline and because of unfair laws and because of the hue of their skin.

• 24:47Speaker 07

  I'm bringing it to them.

• 24:49Laci Mosley?

  Why are you scamming these people who are in prison and the families? Now, what the families do? They going through enough.

• 24:54Speaker 07

  You got his grandmama who was just crying in the courtroom two days ago. Now you on the phone trying to scam her.

• 25:00Laci Mosley?

  Right. You got the kids coming in, they five and six, and they mama done told them the daddy's in camp. And they got to take, they gotta take their photos for Christmas. It's like, my daddy always got on that khaki jumpsuit. That's his camp outfit.

• 25:11Speaker 07

  That's his camp outfit. He's in the military. You know, that's, that's the uniform that they're testing out. Kanye West has actually decided to take over the costume design for the military.

• 25:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, after, after everything fell off with Gap, Kanye was like, what about yay for?

• 25:25Speaker 07

  The military.

• 25:27Laci Mosley?

  For the military.

• 25:28Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 25:28Laci Mosley?

  But, but in prison.

• 25:29Speaker 07

  Prise.

• 25:30Laci Mosley?

  Prise.

• 25:31Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 25:31Laci Mosley?

  That's what it's called. It's called Prise.

• 25:32Speaker 07

  Prise.

• 25:37Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay. Y'all, y'all ain't got, y'all ain't got Prise? They got a cologne now. It's called Thirty to Life. You ain't, it's real good.

• 25:44Speaker 07

  I thought you were serious.

• 25:45Laci Mosley?

  No, that's real good. Yes. It lasts forever. You put it on, it's not coming off.

• 25:50Speaker 07

  Don't let them love after lockup people get a hold of that.

• 25:52Laci Mosley?

  Okay, no parole on that parfum.

• 25:55Speaker 07

  No parole on that parfum.

• 25:56Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's all I'm saying. So, callers pretend to be employees of the U.S. Probation Office, Parole Commission, or Federal Bureau of Prisons. Their goal is to get money and personal information from families of people behind bars. Callers have been promised to get individuals out of prison and supervised release and approved relocation requests. So, when they call the scammers, they're like, hey, you Junebug Mama? Hey, hey, yes, this is us from, who we from today? The U.S. Probation Office. And we think Junebug is an upstanding liquor store robber. And we would love to get him back on the streets for only a small fee.

• 26:41Laci Mosley?

  And you know, people miss their loved ones. They want them out of, you know, how many

• 26:44Speaker 07

  Out of desperation, yeah.

• 26:45Laci Mosley?

  How many spray painted t-shirts have we seen, like, free my, free my cousin?

• 26:49Speaker 07

  And what'd he do?

• 26:50Laci Mosley?

  He just killed somebody. Literally. It'd be like, free my cousin, Little Stab. I'm like, I don't know, guys. I feel like we need to leave Little Stab in prison.

• 26:58Speaker 07

  What you mean, free Little Homicide?

• 27:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 27:00Speaker 07

  No, I can't.

• 27:01Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if homicides can be small.

• 27:03Speaker 07

  No.

• 27:03Laci Mosley?

  I feel like they're very large and, and Little Homicide needs to stay in there.

• 27:07Speaker 07

  Like, mind you, there are rappers with songs of their admittance out.

• 27:12Laci Mosley?

  Yes, they be playing them in court.

• 27:13Speaker 07

  And they be saying, free them. He just killed him and sung about it.

• 27:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't, I feel like it's really the singing about it that's just

• 27:21Speaker 07

  That's what's the worst. Like, you can be a little remorseful probably after you did it. And we can say, yeah, maybe free him, maybe.

• 27:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, maybe.

• 27:29Speaker 07

  But you got on the record.

• 27:30Laci Mosley?

  Was it an accident? Did it get out of hand? Was it a stray bullet?

• 27:34Speaker 07

  And whether it was a freestyle or a written rap, I don't know which one I would be more scared of. The fact that you were able to write that down, or the fact that you were able to just go back to that place and just spew it out on the mic.

• 27:45Laci Mosley?

  TK did that. He said, I couldn't beat that case, so I did the race.

• 27:49Speaker 07

  I remember that.

• 27:50Laci Mosley?

  And that song is literally about him running from the feds. And he was actively on the run from the feds for murder.

• 27:56Speaker 07

  That song got me through many high school parties.

• 28:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 28:01Speaker 07

  I'm not gonna lie.

• 28:02Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, when I was younger, I was like, oh, yeah, maybe we should, we should free TK's, TK, TK, his music is good. And then they were like, do you know what TK did? And I was like, oh, we should definitely not free him. Okay, y'all gotta start telling us what they did first.

• 28:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, and like Y and W Melly, Murder on My Mind. Yeah, that was my song.

• 28:18Laci Mosley?

  And it was on his mind.

• 28:19Speaker 07

  It was on his mind.

• 28:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, heavy. Too heavy. A lot would say. King Von. You know it's bad when other rappers who are gangsters are like, we need to get him off the streets. Are we sure he's dead?

• 28:33Speaker 07

  If you call somebody one of Satan's greatest soldiers, I'm gonna believe you.

• 28:37Laci Mosley?

  They call him an imp. Like, bro, no, I'm sorry. Now we pulling out old school biblical terms. He got to go.

• 28:44Speaker 07

  I won't, I don't even wanna step on the same path as you in, like, on the street. Like, if you, if we're coming, I'm going to move.

• 28:51Laci Mosley?

  Crossing the street, hiding behind a bush. Like, no.

• 28:54Speaker 07

  If I ever see you fighting in the forest with a grizzly bear, I will help the bear.

• 28:57Laci Mosley?

  Help the bear!

• 28:58Speaker 07

  Like, I am going to help the bear.

• 29:01Laci Mosley?

  We gotta help the bear.

• 29:02Speaker 07

  We gotta help the bear.

• 29:03Laci Mosley?

  Hell no, hell no. So, they're calling, you know, these scammers are calling and they're saying, like, look, like, you give us a little money. We can't, we can help get Lil' Pow Pow, you know, back on the streets. I don't think that's where he belongs, but here we are. But the calls are coming from inside prison cells.

• 29:20Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 29:21Laci Mosley?

  So, since before the time of Orange is the New Black, prison inmates have had a ton of illegal cell phones. So, illegal cell phones, not a new thing, obviously. And the more power or cloud, or maybe you're higher up in a gang affiliation, I'm sure it's easier to get contraband into the prison for you. Oh, Orange is the New Black.

• 29:42Speaker 07

  I'm glad all that work that they did on the outside helped so much.

• 29:46Laci Mosley?

  I mean, some of our greatest minds are in prison. Like, no, I'm, I'm serious. If they had had a chance in life, if they weren't, like, put in a system, especially like foster care pipelines, like schools in lower income neighborhoods where they didn't send them to alternative schools. Like, they're pushing our, our, our black and brown children into prison. And then you're seeing them in there. I'm sorry, when I saw that they was making, like, they took a, a plastic trash can, put water in it, and then somehow, like, took apart a flat iron and rewired it. It's called a sting. And then they put it in the trash can and it boils the water in their cell, and then they cook food in that. Yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 07

  That's

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  STEM. STEM.

• 30:23Speaker 07

  We

• 30:25Laci Mosley?

  Like, yes, we don't even know what we've lost.

• 30:27Speaker 07

  We gotta start nurturing the youth.

• 30:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 30:30Speaker 07

  We have to.

• 30:31Laci Mosley?

  I mean, the mayor of Baltimore, he has dropped the crime rate significantly because he created after-school programs for these kids so that they are running around on the streets. Kids need shit to do.

• 30:42Speaker 07

  They do. They really do.

• 30:44Laci Mosley?

  We need, it's them damn screens, okay? They need to be outside jumping off of stuff. Kids ain't breaking arms no more.

• 30:50Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 30:51Laci Mosley?

  Okay?

• 30:52Speaker 07

  I had a, I had a broken collarbone.

• 30:54Laci Mosley?

  It's a rite of passage.

• 30:55Speaker 07

  You have to break at least one bone. And then I broke my wrist, too, but that was another time.

• 30:59Laci Mosley?

  Okay, you breaking everything. Now, you need to slow down on the breaking.

• 31:01Speaker 07

  The wrist wasn't my fault. The collarbone, I can take accountability for. The wrist, somebody fell on me.

• 31:06Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay.

• 31:07Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 31:07Laci Mosley?

  Then this is when you gotta get your neck brace and your wrist brace and go to court.

• 31:10Speaker 07

  Exactly, exactly.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  More than 25,000 contraband cell phones were confiscated across 20 states in a single year. Here's a local news story from Mobile, Alabama, about how the phones get inside.

• 31:23Laci Mosley?

  So, we're gonna see how the phones get inside a little bit here. So, let's just look at that.

• 31:31Speaker 05

  Guys, um, smartphones?

• 31:35Speaker 05

  I mean, you know, it goes, you know, yeah. Corrections officers are selling smartphones to inmates. News 5 Learning, one prisoner paid $500 for a phone and $150 for the charger on prepaid gift cards snuck into the building. You know, just like anything, there's a way. This anonymous inmate telling us the guards think of smartphones as a way to keep the prison population busy, plus as a way to make some cash on the side. Is that what's going on there? It's kind of like, yeah, this guy, you know, they empathize, you know, they empathize. They say, well, you know, okay, you, I got a family at home and, you know, you've got a family that you want to talk to, whatever, and that could make me some money. It's like, for him, it's a win-win situation. For what it's worth, this is-

• 32:19Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 32:20Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 32:21Laci Mosley?

  This guard was really telling on himself.

• 32:23Speaker 07

  Really was.

• 32:24Laci Mosley?

  Love that for us. Um, and, oh, actually, that was a-

• 32:27Speaker 07

  That was an inmate, yeah.

• 32:28Laci Mosley?

  That was an inmate. Sorry, so that inmate was really telling on himself. And one thing that I love is that that inmate seems to have a sense of whimsy, because he's like, you know, the guards, they empathize with us. Somebody charging you $150 for a phone charger does not empathize with you.

• 32:42Speaker 07

  Like, okay, Langston Hughes, we get it.

• 32:44Laci Mosley?

  That's capitalism.

• 32:46Speaker 07

  He found that book in there and he said, "They empathize."

• 32:49Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 32:50Speaker 07

  I love-

• 32:50Laci Mosley?

  He whipped out his words, too, okay?

• 32:52Speaker 07

  I love it when, I love it, I love it. That's, that's one thing that I-

• 32:56Laci Mosley?

  I love a prison degree.

• 32:56Speaker 07

  That's one thing that I will say that I do like is when, um, whenever people come out of prison and they're like, just like, new person and they're like, kind of more, they actually become off more well-read sometimes.

• 33:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 33:10Speaker 07

  Because it's like, I've met people that'll like, come out and it's like, because they find time that they're able to learn things that they didn't necessarily get access to outside and they're like, okay, now I have time to actually do this. So a lot of people, they like, pick up different hobbies and they learn different things. And it was just like, it's so interesting to see how that can sometimes alter their personas.

• 33:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I think there should be more of that.

• 33:33Speaker 07

  More of that. I think we need to, that just kind of goes to show you, like, even with COVID, too, when people have, when people don't have much to do and they're just at home, they have more time to learn things and pick up skills. I feel like we overstimulate ourselves because society has forced us to, essentially, because of hostile culture.

• 33:54Laci Mosley?

  We're in survival mode.

• 33:55Speaker 07

  We're in survival mode.

• 33:56Laci Mosley?

  And so it's like, you're, and you're constantly being inundated with news. You're constantly having to like, stay on this hamster wheel.

• 34:02Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 34:02Laci Mosley?

  And I feel like, well, one of the things that my therapist once told me was that, like, your best ideas come to you when you're thinking about nothing. Like, it's good to have some time where, like you were saying in COVID, where like, and that wasn't the truth for everybody. Shout out to everybody who was deemed essential and had to work.

• 34:19Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 34:19Laci Mosley?

  Um, but yeah.

• 34:20Speaker 07

  We appreciate you guys, by the way.

• 34:22Laci Mosley?

  Oof, god.

• 34:22Speaker 07

  Oh, my gosh.

• 34:23Laci Mosley?

  And you had to work for these ungrateful bastards.

• 34:25Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 34:25Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, y'all better than me.

• 34:27Speaker 07

  Drinking for y'all.

• 34:27Laci Mosley?

  I couldn't have been up in nobody's hospital, because like-

• 34:31Speaker 07

  This is tea, by the way.

• 34:31Laci Mosley?

  Okay, do no harm, I know, but like, some anti-vaxxers and some racist people yelling at me, whenever I watch the shows, like, even like the pit where it'd be like a racist and anti-vaxxer coming in, they'd be like, "I don't want that blackie treating me." And it's like, you still have to do your oath and treat them just like everybody else.

• 34:45Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 34:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, wow. So, but one thing about this prison cellphone thing that is interesting to me is the guards are charging $500 for the cellphone. I feel like cellphones can sometimes be a bit more expensive. Maybe they're just giving them like, flip phones or something, because I'm like, I feel like cellphones this day and age, that's kind of a steal.

• 35:03Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 35:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but, but, like, we've known that security guards and, or, you know, what are they called in prison? Um, COs.

• 35:11Speaker 07

  COs.

• 35:11Laci Mosley?

  That they've been known to bring contraband, so it's not really surprising. And guards often do not go through the same rigorous security searches that visitors do. So selling an inmate a cellphone, the guard makes money and also maybe the inmate becomes more passive and easier to control, which I guess is what he was saying when he said the win-win situation, because they're busy on their phone, they make a TikTok, so they're not sharpening up ships.

• 35:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, that is, that is true, but maybe they should lower the prices, because 500 seems like a lot.

• 35:39Laci Mosley?

  I feel like it's risk versus reward, too, because if the guard gets caught, they might get written up or lose their job.

• 35:45Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, that's fair.

• 35:47Laci Mosley?

  So, yeah.

• 35:47Speaker 07

  That's fair.

• 35:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I feel like that's a, that's a pretty decent price, I feel like.

• 35:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, iPhones cost more than a mortgage these days, so that's probably, that's probably a good deal, actually.

• 35:57Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and so these days, the phones often arrive via relatives, guards, or drones. Yeah, they're using technology.

• 36:08Laci Mosley?

  So many prisons-

• 36:09Speaker 07

  Hey, hey, hey.

• 36:12Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, that's the only thing I want drones doing, okay? A nice aerial shot for your music video and maybe dropping off a little prison cellie.

• 36:21Speaker 07

  Because you gotta drop off the prison cellie.

• 36:23Laci Mosley?

  You gotta.

• 36:24Speaker 07

  Why? Why not?

• 36:25Laci Mosley?

  I want to know what's going on in there. I really, I know, I know what a brick is now, I know how to make it, you know, prison cheesecake, I'm learning a lot.

• 36:32Speaker 07

  Where do, who is teaching you this?

• 36:35Laci Mosley?

  Jail talk.

• 36:37Speaker 07

  Oh, okay, so is there like, a jail Martha Stewart that we don't, Martha Stewart did go to jail.

• 36:42Laci Mosley?

  She did go to jail. Martha Stewart is the jail Martha Stewart.

• 36:45Speaker 07

  Martha Stewart is the jail Martha Stewart.

• 36:46Laci Mosley?

  Okay, you better put some respect on, okay?

• 36:48Speaker 07

  My fault.

• 36:49Laci Mosley?

  Miss, Miss D Block, okay?

• 36:51Speaker 07

  My fault, hold on.

• 36:52Laci Mosley?

  I wanted to see her cell, I just know it was cute.

• 36:54Speaker 07

  I know she probably made potpourri and everything up in there.

• 36:57Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I know people probably love to walk past and just smell it fresh.

• 37:00Speaker 07

  Just smell it, like, oh, that's Martha cell right there.

• 37:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's Martha cell right there, okay? I hope she had a high play, I hope she was cooking things up, you know?

• 37:08Speaker 07

  No, she was probably just as crafty.

• 37:10Laci Mosley?

  All the insider trading that's happening now that people are getting away with, I really hope Martha had like, a very chill jail time, like, because she did not deserve to go down when all these men are doing that. Please be serious. So, many prison officials want to use cellular jammers that will block all cellphones from working on their property, but under the Communications Act of 1934, state and local agencies are not permitted to intentionally interfere with radio communications. No jamming allowed, so the scamming continues. Ain't no jamming, we keep scamming. And I love that for them.

• 37:43Speaker 07

  I love that, I love that, because honestly, I get it. You want to stop the scams, but it's like, a part of it was from like, they also don't like the idea of the prisoners having access to the phones, period.

• 37:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I don't think that guard cares about the scam.

• 37:58Speaker 07

  The scam was not the reason that they wanted to jam the cell signals. The reason that they went to jail the cell, the cell signals, because they knew that they had phones, period. Not that they were scamming with them, they don't care.

• 38:08Laci Mosley?

  And a lot of guards are sadists. They go in there because they want to have control over other people's lives, and that's like, some people get into being a police officer for the same reason, some people get into being a nurse for the same reason, not all, but some, control over vulnerable people.

• 38:22Speaker 07

  People are not your Sims, you can't just, can't just play with people, that's crazy.

• 38:26Laci Mosley?

  No, the only place that people are Sims is Love Island, and even there, we've learned.

• 38:31Speaker 07

  And then they do stuff that I don't like, too.

• 38:34Laci Mosley?

  I know. But I feel bad for my little Sims, because I was like, eventually this show does need to stop, because y'all, come on now, like.

• 38:40Speaker 07

  It does.

• 38:41Laci Mosley?

  Y'all, we can't just keep starving and stranding these hot young babies on an island.

• 38:44Speaker 07

  Come on, man, they, they, they leave their 30 pounds lighter than they, than they showed up.

• 38:49Laci Mosley?

  Mm, we never see them eat, ever. And they're like, "You better be in that bikini by 4:00 a.m."

• 38:56Speaker 07

  In the hills.

• 38:57Laci Mosley?

  "We gotta dance outside today, in the Fiji heat."

• 39:00Speaker 07

  Love Island is good TV, though, I will say.

• 39:02Laci Mosley?

  It is, it's delicious.

• 39:03Speaker 07

  It is good TV.

• 39:04Laci Mosley?

  So, one cell to another. The Dallas County Sheriff's Office, okay, shout out to Dallas, my hometown, they say that scammers are contacting the families and friends of inmates with claims that their loved ones qualified for the early release or electronic monitoring because of overcrowding. And overcrowding is a real thing, during COVID, some people did get out because of overcrowding, so they got out early. Prisoners in Alabama, Florida, and the Carolinas in California have been charged with running phone scams from the inside. This is kind of brilliant, too, because like, if you're running this scam, let's say you're running it on somebody you know in the prison, you might have more information about that person by the time you start calling their family.

• 39:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's true. So you never know, like, someone over there talking to you, you think you found a friend, he asking you what street you grew up on when you was a kid, like-

• 39:53Laci Mosley?

  Y'all got to pass time.

• 39:55Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 39:55Laci Mosley?

  After a while, you got, I guess you got to get to basic questions.

• 39:58Speaker 07

  You probably get so delirious that you don't even realize that like, you're being asked scam questions.

• 40:03Laci Mosley?

  Like, it might start with like, "Yeah, man, I got four siblings, how about you?" And they're like, "Oh, yeah, I got two, yeah, yeah."

• 40:09Speaker 07

  Wait, I grew up on, that sounds old.

• 40:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, what was the first street you grew up on?

• 40:13Speaker 07

  What was the first street you grew up on?

• 40:14Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's like, yeah, yeah.

• 40:16Speaker 07

  They're like, right out the street from each other.

• 40:17Laci Mosley?

  You know, we look kind of alike, what was your mama's maiden name? Maybe we cousins.

• 40:20Speaker 07

  We might be cousins.

• 40:21Laci Mosley?

  We might be cousins, yeah. You like cars? You ever have one? What was the first?

• 40:25Speaker 07

  What was the first one you got in high school, actually?

• 40:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, what color was it? Mate, model?

• 40:28Speaker 07

  Favorite teacher? You had a favorite teacher in school?

• 40:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, color, color. And then after a while, you know, you don't know, you don't know.

• 40:35Speaker 07

  Journal grandmother, what's her name?

• 40:37Laci Mosley?

  So, Georgia prisoners seem to have practically unlimited access to phones for some reason in Georgia. They have unlimited access to phones. I mean, we talk about Georgia prisoners in general, but we know, probably, you know, Fulton County, probably, yeah. Probably because Georgia is really understaffed, that's where a lot of the scams are coming from. In 2026, so far, Georgia has arrested 18 staff and 92 civilians for smuggling contraband. The state also has 102 open cases against scammers. It confiscates cellphones by the thousand and drones by the dozen, so now they're catching the drones out of the sky, I guess. I don't know why that wasn't obvious from the beginning, why is a drone flying over a prison wall where like-

• 41:18Speaker 07

  What are they doing, like, just taking slingshots and just docking it down? Like, what?

• 41:23Laci Mosley?

  I feel like the drone drops it, because some drones can like, hold something, right? And then like, fly over.

• 41:27Speaker 07

  And they'll drop it.

• 41:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so we have a graph of what Georgia's, like, what they confiscate from prisoners. So let's see what they're grabbing from the people in the prison. I don't know, how do you feel so far about cellphones in prison? Not the scam of it all, because I, I don't, like, I feel like the scam of like, calling inmates' family, that's messed up.

• 41:45Speaker 07

  That's crazy, yeah.

• 41:46Laci Mosley?

  But like- I like seeing what's going on.

• 41:48Speaker 07

  I don't, yeah, I personally don't care. It's just like, if you have it, cool.

• 41:52Laci Mosley?

  If you're not doing crime with it.

• 41:54Speaker 07

  Yeah, if you're not doing crime, if I come across your TikTok live, I might send a rose or two, actually. Like, y'all be cool.

• 41:59Laci Mosley?

  Like, tell me what you did first, and then maybe I'll put a little hat on you.

• 42:04Speaker 07

  That too.

• 42:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 42:05Speaker 07

  What?

• 42:06Laci Mosley?

  What did you do?

• 42:07Speaker 07

  What you in for, bruh?

• 42:08Laci Mosley?

  So, if we look here, we have the technology confiscated by Georgia State prisons. So, this is from 2017 to 2026. We see there's like a spike around 2025-ish area.

• 42:20Speaker 07

  Ooh.

• 42:20Laci Mosley?

  Where way more people were, and the drones went up too. The phones went up and the drones went up. So, maybe the drones are like, you know, correlation isn't causation, but I wonder if they had anything to do with.

• 42:32Speaker 07

  Cause the, well, the drones was the year before, so the drones was 2024, and then the phones was 2025.

• 42:38Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, you're right. It does correlate to the drones. Yeah, I see, and that makes sense, because it's probably way more efficient to just fly something over and drop it real quick. Like, yeah, I get it. So, these prisoners who were doing the scam with the phone calls would target newly locked up people. So, prisoners just needed one contraband cellphone and a call center type script that they can pass from inmate to inmate. Not y'all that made a call center, this kind of organization that, see? These people could have been volunteering for campaigns. Somebody got organizational skills.

• 43:09Speaker 07

  That's probably who called me.

• 43:13Speaker 07

  Is that y'all?

• 43:15Laci Mosley?

  That might be them.

• 43:16Speaker 07

  Come on, man.

• 43:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they called you from Still Black D.

• 43:19Speaker 07

  Oh, my gosh. And I was, I was in Georgia for my layover.

• 43:25Laci Mosley?

  Well, you know what? At least you used up at least 30 of their minutes.

• 43:28Speaker 07

  I did.

• 43:28Laci Mosley?

  Okay, cause you know, they don't have it planned.

• 43:31Speaker 07

  But do they have lights out?

• 43:32Laci Mosley?

  I mean, yeah, yeah. There's like a times where you gotta go to bed.

• 43:37Speaker 07

  I was like, yo, that's.

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's very regimental.

• 43:38Speaker 07

  I kinda cut into their bedtime, then, I'm sorry.

• 43:41Laci Mosley?

  Well, they called you.

• 43:42Speaker 07

  They did call me, yeah.

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• 46:13Laci Mosley?

  So, sometimes they dial a random number and threaten to arrest the person who answered if they don't pay a fine for missed jury duty. That's a good one, because most people are missing their jury duty. But again, I told y'all, like, if y'all gonna, if someone's gonna arrest you, they're not gonna warn you beforehand, ever.

• 46:30Speaker 07

  Hey, just so you know.

• 46:31Laci Mosley?

  Hey, are you home right now?

• 46:34Speaker 07

  Hey, we're like.

• 46:34Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you at the store? How far you away? 15?

• 46:37Speaker 07

  Okay, we'll be there in 15 to arrest you, unless you pay me, alright?

• 46:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you going to jail tonight, unless you got Walmart gift cards. Like, be for real. I'm hanging up the phone. So, in Kansas, one jury duty ripoff got the scammer nearly $600,000.

• 46:56Speaker 07

  From the jail?

• 46:57Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:58Speaker 07

  I've, you know, I've been hearing stories about inmates that get out and they go purchase homes. Maybe that's what they're doing.

• 47:06Laci Mosley?

  I mean, look, if you gonna be locked up, at least be making money, okay? Like, they gonna have you making license plates for pennies on the dollar, so I guess this is the alternative. I do not condone this, because these are vulnerable families, and like, why don't you call some corporations or something? Like, get the people who are hurting us.

• 47:21Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 47:22Laci Mosley?

  And then another strategy they had is they would use info from websites that published the names of people recently jailed. Jail rosters, booking records, and court information may be publicly accessible, which is true. You can find out a lot. You can read a lot of lawsuits online, and if you have the patience to sit and read through, you know, possibly hundreds of pages, you can really get some teeth.

• 47:42Speaker 07

  What do people find in time?

• 47:44Laci Mosley?

  Oh, please, there's so many people on TikTok who are dedicated, dedicated to reading all the popping new trials, and going to the courthouse and sitting in there, and then I found out about.

• 47:53Speaker 07

  And I follow them.

• 47:54Laci Mosley?

  I do too.

• 47:55Speaker 07

  Because I'm not gonna read it.

• 47:56Laci Mosley?

  Right, and I'm not gonna go, some people go to sit in people's trials for fun, just random trials.

• 48:01Speaker 07

  Nah, I would do that for like a good trial. Like, if it's a trial, I'm like, ooh, to be a flower. But those would be the ones that you can't get into.

• 48:10Laci Mosley?

  Right, those are, well, you know, they have like a little lottery. So, you go and then you get, you get a little number, and so sometimes you can get picked.

• 48:16Speaker 07

  Oh, I gotta go camp out.

• 48:19Laci Mosley?

  These are for the ultra-nosy in our community. You do not have time to camp Alaric.

• 48:23Speaker 07

  I gotta go, I have to find the time, for the right case.

• 48:27Laci Mosley?

  Are you smarter than a prisoner?

• 48:29Speaker 07

  I'm pressed. I'm pressed. Actually, give me a press pass so I can get in here.

• 48:34Laci Mosley?

  Lord Jesus, right, trying to interview everybody in the.

• 48:36Speaker 07

  So, I can interview.

• 48:37Laci Mosley?

  Lord Jesus.

• 48:38Speaker 07

  And then the sketches.

• 48:39Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, we joke about this, but this is where we're getting to in our culture. I mean, for a second, they were trying to air or stream a public execution, so.

• 48:47Speaker 07

  That's not happening no more, right?

• 48:48Laci Mosley?

  No, it's not.

• 48:49Speaker 07

  Oh, Jesus, I, I just learned about that yesterday.

• 48:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and it was absolutely insane, and people, and that orange man was backing it, and so, he, he never knows anything. Somebody was like, yes, so you also realize that this man is in a wheelchair? And he was like, what? Like, yes, so you wanna stream across the world that we are going to hoist somebody up, excuse me, trigger warning, and, and execute them like that? And what he did was horrific, but like, nobody needs to see that. Like, nobody needs to see what's going on with the, whether you agree with execution or not, it definitely should not be online. P. Hexeth needs to lay off that stuff. Like, whoever's, he on that Chris Brown, whatever the same, they got the same dealer. Cause whatever it is, it seems to keep, it seems to be pure.

• 49:30Speaker 07

  It's keeping the mind running.

• 49:31Laci Mosley?

  It seems to be pure, okay? Like, Hexeth is reminding me of them white people who could dance on beat in the 80s. Like, it's like, whatever he got, it's, it's pure, okay? Cause how's he getting out here every day on that booger sugar?

• 49:44Speaker 07

  You know that gif of that kid, and he's like.

• 49:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, literally. That's how Hexeth, Hexeth wake up out the bed every day doing the Lil' Kim dance, just like, how am I gonna fuck up the military today? Like, sir, please. The best part of waking up cannot be coke.

• 50:01Speaker 07

  It definitely should be Folgers in your cup.

• 50:03Laci Mosley?

  It should be Folgers.

• 50:05Speaker 07

  In your cup.

• 50:05Laci Mosley?

  Sir, be for real and serious. We can see your jaw moving.

• 50:08Speaker 07

  You can't rewrite scripture like that.

• 50:10Laci Mosley?

  Blinking fast, please. He's a mess. I cannot wait to see him go to trial, cause he got to go. One of the biggest scammers out to date, be for real. So, anyways, right, so sometimes, like, they get these, this information online, and it's got the booking date, it's got the charges, sometimes custody location, identification, or case number, right, all online. Maybe if we weren't living in a police state where this information is easily accessible, people in the prison system wouldn't be so vulnerable to scams, but I digress. I'm talking to you flock on my block, uh, which we've already had so many police officers being like either, like, uh, suspended or fired for using flock to stalk, guess who? Women. Women they know, stalking them.

• 50:55Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm, with the cameras.

• 50:56Speaker 07

  With the cameras, it's crazy.

• 50:58Laci Mosley?

  That's like, I was like, why are we gonna give police access to sometimes technology like this? Like, let's all be for real. Like, we thought that it was gonna be good? No. Scammers use social media to find inmates' relatives and cold-call them with fake offers of assistance. I told y'all, take our relatives off Facebook. Nobody needs to know who your cousin or your auntie is. They use apps to make calls from numbers that mirror, like, what happened to you with Bank of America on the plane, even though now I think you a menace to the plane. You not supposed to be on it while it's in the sky. You not supposed to be on your phone while it's in the sky.

• 51:29Speaker 07

  In my defense, we were landing.

• 51:31Laci Mosley?

  What if y'all got somebody else's plane laying? Okay, the planes are too, the planes are too volatile these days.

• 51:36Speaker 07

  He went to plane school. He know how to fix that.

• 51:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but these days, we don't know what's gonna go on with the plane. Remember when Boeing doors was falling off? I remember black people putting holy water on the side of the plane when they walked in. Other, other people were patting the side of the plane, making sure the door was on good. I have never seen so many people read an in-flight safety manual in my life.

• 51:54Speaker 07

  I don't know, maybe I'm too social media brain, cause I thought that was just a trend and it was over.

• 51:59Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 51:59Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 52:00Laci Mosley?

  No, you can't, you can't be picking up the phone. It must be a real thing. The only reason I think why is because I was on Air France and we were landing, and they were like in French, like, turn off your phones, like, turn them completely off. I was like, what the hell we got to do that for? The phone really does something? They told us to turn them off.

• 52:18Speaker 07

  See, I didn't know that. I apologize, and I'll never do that again. I only answered because it was my bank. If it was anything else, I would have waited, or I would have sent a text. But when the money calls, I apologize though to everybody that was there.

• 52:31Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I appreciate that. We appreciate this influence, and he's, and he's learning, and he's taking accountability.

• 52:36Speaker 07

  And taking accountability, and I'm actually in classes right now.

• 52:38Laci Mosley?

  He's reading. He has so many planes as friends.

• 52:42Speaker 07

  Actually, I empathize with y'all.

• 52:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 52:44Speaker 07

  I empathize with y'all, see?

• 52:46Laci Mosley?

  Okay, and then we'll set up, but we'll set up a photo shoot for you, like, next to a Delta plane.

• 52:50Speaker 07

  Please.

• 52:50Laci Mosley?

  Hugging the wheel.

• 52:51Speaker 07

  Actually, let's do that, cause I need the Delta sponsor.

• 52:55Laci Mosley?

  I do too. Delta, please, please.

• 52:57Speaker 07

  I spent so much money with y'all.

• 52:58Laci Mosley?

  You're literally, y'all taking all my damn money now. Come on now, shit.

• 53:01Speaker 07

  I actually gotta book my, my flight. Nah, I shouldn't tell y'all.

• 53:04Laci Mosley?

  No, don't tell them, don't tell them, cause now the price just went up. Now, why would you do that? Now, my price gonna go, my phone done heard that. I swear, I dream about going someplace. My phone was like, we heard that.

• 53:15Laci Mosley?

  So, so they were like, also, they use these apps to make calls from numbers that mirror local sheriff's offices as well, or bonding agencies. They can also set up voicemail messages for when targets ring them back. So if you call, like if the scammer calls and then the person on the other side doesn't pick up, then they can have like an automated voice message that sounds professional in the hopes that somebody will return the phone call to them, so they can rob them later.

• 53:42Speaker 07

  They say, "We'll, we'll put you on hold for now, but we'll rob you later."

• 53:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, right. They don't just give up after they call and then, "Nobody picked up. All right, get, send them to the voicemail, so we can rob them later." Like, I don't want to get robbed later.

• 53:53Speaker 07

  We'll get them tomorrow, actually.

• 53:56Laci Mosley?

  There was some TV show where they were trying to hold somebody for ransom. It was so funny, and they called, they had the person in custody, or you know, like the kidnappers had him, and they called the person that they were trying to get the ransom from, and the person kept not picking up. And so they're just like waiting for hours, like, "Damn." Hello? They ain't pick up.

• 54:14Laci Mosley?

  I never thought about that. Like, like, how you know you're gonna pick up a ransom call? You might miss it.

• 54:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, you might.

• 54:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and then I gotta wait for you to get off D and D.

• 54:21Speaker 07

  But the thing is, if you know somebody is missing, you, you need to have your phone open. And so that's probably what they're hoping for.

• 54:27Laci Mosley?

  That might have been their first alert, just like, "Hey, we got your son." Maybe they don't know they got the son.

• 54:31Speaker 07

  That is true.

• 54:33Laci Mosley?

  See, that's why sometimes y'all gotta text back faster, because if you start being known as somebody who doesn't communicate on a daily basis, if you go missing, people might not look for you for a little while.

• 54:41Speaker 07

  That is true.

• 54:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 54:46Laci Mosley?

  Wow, this is just such a revelation for you. So, we have some audio of a voicemail from an inmate posing as a pre-trial service. So let's hear this audio.

• 54:57Speaker 03

  Hi, I'm sorry that we missed your call. You've reached the main offices for the Pretrial Administration. If you would like to speak to us regarding your loved one, leave the details of their case number, last name, date of birth. We will be able to have that file ready for you when we contact you back. An officer will be in custody as soon as one is available. If this is an emergency of any sort, please hang up and dial 911.

• 55:20Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that last part was cute. It doesn't work here?

• 55:24Speaker 07

  He sounds like he's in a Walmart.

• 55:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, okay, okay, you're right. There's way too much background noise. That's a good observation.

• 55:31Speaker 07

  Who is, who, what?

• 55:35Speaker 07

  Bring back Catfish.

• 55:36Laci Mosley?

  Damn, that's a good, that's a good observation. Like, low-key, did we hear his, like, smoke detector go off in the back?

• 55:41Speaker 07

  We gotta bring back Catfish.

• 55:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 55:44Speaker 07

  I, I thought she-

• 55:45Laci Mosley?

  Because, so you're supposed to record that in your car. That's the best sound, audio you can get without a sound studio.

• 55:49Speaker 07

  But isn't he in the jail? He don't have a car.

• 55:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you're right. Yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 07

  He's the victim of circumstance.

• 55:55Laci Mosley?

  And you hear the jailhouse behind him.

• 55:57Speaker 07

  You hear the jailhouse rock happening in the background.

• 55:59Laci Mosley?

  Damn.

• 56:02Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 56:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 56:03Laci Mosley?

  That's a good point. I was more so talking about, like, the things he was saying that were bizarre to me. Like, what do you mean if this is an emergency? Call 911. That you only say that on non-emergency health lines. So he didn't, he didn't listen to a, he didn't call the doctor once, and the doctor didn't pick up, and it was like, "If this is an emergency, call 911." That makes sense. It's your doctor. Ain't nobody calling the pre-trial services on an emergency. Whoever they calling about is in jail. The urgency is gone. Prison removes urgency.

• 56:33Speaker 07

  There is no emergency to call 911.

• 56:36Laci Mosley?

  Wait, 911 clearly has already been called, followed through.

• 56:39Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 56:40Laci Mosley?

  Took it to the judicial system.

• 56:41Speaker 07

  Actually, I don't want to call 911.

• 56:43Laci Mosley?

  Right, that's the last person I want to see.

• 56:44Speaker 07

  I want to see.

• 56:46Laci Mosley?

  That's how I got here.

• 56:47Speaker 07

  That's how we ended up in this situation in the first place.

• 56:49Laci Mosley?

  They actually drove me over here. 911 was my Uber to my current situation.

• 56:54Speaker 07

  911 was my Uber is crazy.

• 56:57Laci Mosley?

  Like, what?

• 57:03Laci Mosley?

  No stars.

• 57:05Speaker 07

  No stars. And I'm not tipping you.

• 57:07Laci Mosley?

  Hell, no.

• 57:08Speaker 07

  You were rough with the, with the-

• 57:10Laci Mosley?

  Very rough with me.

• 57:10Speaker 07

  With the pickup, actually. I was not pleased with the pickup.

• 57:16Laci Mosley?

  Definitely not pleased with the pickup, okay? Or the drop-off. Drop-off is very unsafe. You dropped me off in a very unsafe place, okay? Full of criminals.

• 57:24Speaker 07

  And then, then when you handled the door, come on.

• 57:27Laci Mosley?

  Right. No way. Yeah, but you're right. The biggest glare there is the background noise. Like, what is happening?

• 57:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's what, that's what wouldn't sell it for me.

• 57:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 57:39Speaker 07

  Because it's like, either you work from home and you have roommates and you're doing this?

• 57:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 57:43Speaker 07

  Like, are they hiring people from-

• 57:45Laci Mosley?

  You could have pulled a blanket over your head or something, or maybe recorded this during lights out, when it was quiet?

• 57:50Speaker 07

  But that, that's a voiceover technique. This is the talking of, this is the talking of an actress right here.

• 57:54Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 57:55Speaker 07

  Not, not everyone has that actor training to know that if you do-

• 57:58Laci Mosley?

  Well, they got plenty of time in jail to learn a few things, okay?

• 58:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, but they, they, they, they should be reading Langston Hughes, not learning how to scam.

• 58:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay. As long as we don't go beyond phones with the technology. Like, I don't want no podcasts from jail now. That's where we need to, we need to cut it off.

• 58:13Speaker 07

  Can we consider? What's the topic?

• 58:17Laci Mosley?

  Damn.

• 58:18Speaker 07

  C- cuz I kinda want to know, like, imagine, I feel like-

• 58:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay, if they were in, no, no, but also-

• 58:25Speaker 07

  No, cuz the thing is, I feel like-

• 58:27Laci Mosley?

  If it was like, "How did I get here?"

• 58:29Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 58:29Laci Mosley?

  And it was like, or they called it like lifers.

• 58:31Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 58:32Laci Mosley?

  And it was just like, like, you know you can't get out, so you can snitch on yourself.

• 58:35Speaker 07

  Yes. Ooh, like, untold stories, and they're all anonymous.

• 58:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 58:41Speaker 07

  And like, they bring on new inmates, and each inmate tells their story. But there's one central inmate that hosts, like, maybe he was in there, but he was like a class, like a class clown growing up. So everyone knew he had like a really great personality.

• 58:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 58:53Speaker 07

  So like, we should get him to host this show.

• 58:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like, somebody like, maybe like, "Wrong place, wrong time."

• 58:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, like, he was only there because he was just with the wrong crew.

• 59:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:03Speaker 07

  Yeah. Like, he can host the show, cuz he don't really have much of a story there.

• 59:07Laci Mosley?

  Or you need somebody to host it, like a Mike Tyson, who like, I mean, look, Mike Tyson, we, we not fucking with- You got CTE, bro. We don't trust none of your decisions.

• 59:14Speaker 07

  I said, "Did he bite ears?"

• 59:16Laci Mosley?

  He bite ears, and he got, like, I'm sorry. You, it's hard to be a thought leader when you get hit that many times in the head. That's just too many times to get hit in the head for me to listen to your thoughts. However, I will say, like, even Broken Clock is right, two times a day. And you know, when he had his podcast, because he's like a scary ear-biter man, all of the like homophobic men and like weak little men who would come on his show, if he would be like, "That's not right. You shouldn't say that." They'd be like, "Oh, I guess I could think about it a different way." Anybody else who, who would correct them on their misogynistic or homophobic behavior, they'd probably fight back or, you know, get a little viral clip. But since you're sitting next to like the apex predator, I guess these men are just like more, like, inclined to listen.

• 59:52Speaker 07

  I don't think you understand. I really feel like Mike Tyson should earn his freedom every day. That's how dangerous his hands are.

• 59:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:59Speaker 07

  Like, no, of course, Mike Tyson could tell me the sky was purple, and I'm, me, it's, it's purple. I see it, actually.

• 1:00:06Laci Mosley?

  He might need some chastity gloves.

• 1:00:07Speaker 07

  Yes. No, we, we have to like, you gotta recite something every morning.

• 1:00:12Laci Mosley?

  But he has restraint now, because remember, he only beat up that man on the plane because the man on the plane wouldn't stop antagonizing him.

• 1:00:17Speaker 07

  And he only bit a ear once.

• 1:00:21Laci Mosley?

  Okay, he's done a lot of dark violent things, so, yeah. I'm just, someone with the stature in the jail to like, get everybody to be vulnerable.

• 1:00:28Speaker 07

  Actually, I'm in too many, I'm in too many rooms. I don't mean this, Mike Tyson.

• 1:00:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Speaker 07

  We, we might cross paths, and-

• 1:00:35Laci Mosley?

  Don't punch us.

• 1:00:36Speaker 07

  You're, you're, I, I rock with you.

• 1:00:39Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, if I cross paths with Mike Tyson, I might be in the wrong place. That's, that's my sign to look around.

• 1:00:43Speaker 07

  No, but he's a legend, though.

• 1:00:44Laci Mosley?

  He's been with Trump, though. So I'm like, where, where am I if I've crossed paths with him, and I need to reevaluate?

• 1:00:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Laci Mosley?

  Now, don't come after me, Mr. Sir.

• 1:00:54Speaker 07

  Why are our legends hang, no, I can't.

• 1:00:56Laci Mosley?

  Lord Jesus.

• 1:00:56Speaker 07

  I can't, I can't. That's another topic for another day.

• 1:00:59Laci Mosley?

  But so-

• 1:01:00Speaker 07

  Why are our legends just hanging out?

• 1:01:03Laci Mosley?

  But back to the topic at hand. So, okay, off of mic and back, and, and back to jail. Uh, so like, how this scam kind of works? Like, a mother might get a call from a bail bond company about her son who recently went to jail. She does have a son in jail, and the bail bond company is a real business. But the person calling is just another inmate scamming her for money. And here's some examples of how this scam can work. So we've got Sylvia Brooks here. Sylvia Brooks is a retired nurse in Columbia, South Carolina. When her grandson landed in jail, a caller contacted her posing as a worker for a court diversion program.

• 1:01:42Laci Mosley?

  Sylvia, Granny Sylvia, ended up giving him $1,368 before she figured it out. That number was traced to a Georgia prison. So-

• 1:01:55Speaker 07

  He done got her to come up off of $1,300.

• 1:01:57Laci Mosley?

  $1,368 sounds like he nickled this out a little bit, cuz that's such a random amount.

• 1:02:05Speaker 07

  No, he was paying something off.

• 1:02:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I feel like Sylvia, they probably kept calling like, "Oh, we got a new fee," or "We got this," or like-

• 1:02:11Speaker 07

  He probably just wrote down some random numbers to make it look like he added tax or something.

• 1:02:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:16Speaker 07

  That's probably what he did, to make it seem like he added like a bunch of fees on top of it, so it could seem official.

• 1:02:22Laci Mosley?

  That language kind of tells me like, if she had to figure it out, then maybe it was more than one payment.

• 1:02:29Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, that too.

• 1:02:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:30Speaker 07

  Ooh, it was a payment plan, probably.

• 1:02:32Laci Mosley?

  Or maybe it was like fees, you know what I mean? Where it could be like, "Oh, okay, now we, we paid these legal fees. Now we have to pay this, you know, exit fee," or duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, you know what I mean? Yeah.

• 1:02:42Speaker 07

  Y'all can't, y'all can't be doordashing folks, man.

• 1:02:45Laci Mosley?

  But I mean, this is a grandmother.

• 1:02:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:02:46Laci Mosley?

  You know grandmothers love their grandbabies.

• 1:02:49Speaker 07

  That is true. My grandma loves me.

• 1:02:50Laci Mosley?

  That's when they become nice.

• 1:02:52Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:02:53Laci Mosley?

  And then, and then the kids of the parent, of the grandparent be like, "Who the fuck is this?"

• 1:02:57Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 1:02:58Laci Mosley?

  It was never this nice to me.

• 1:03:00Speaker 07

  It was never this nice.

• 1:03:01Laci Mosley?

  Like, I feel like grandchildren are like, especially for boomer and Gen Xers, that's their chance to like make up on all their like, um, unregulated emotion. They're like, "Okay, yeah, I, I did used to like fistbox with you for leaving the light on and not putting the chicken out to thaw before we got home, but now my grandbaby gets whatever they want."

• 1:03:19Speaker 07

  And it, it's because they have that guilty conscience, and they don't know how to apologize. But like I said, that's another story for another day.

• 1:03:25Laci Mosley?

  Just run around undiagnosed.

• 1:03:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:03:27Laci Mosley?

  So, ciao.

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• 1:05:58Laci Mosley?

  So, we have another person. Oh, sorry, Grandma. I'm so sorry I got you to that 13-hundo. You ain't gonna see that again. So, we have Art Monk.

• 1:06:06Speaker 07

  Oh, no, she can.

• 1:06:08Laci Mosley?

  I mean, we'll see.

• 1:06:09Speaker 07

  If she really, if she really got that dog in her, she could see that money again.

• 1:06:13Laci Mosley?

  You're right about that. If she got that dog in her.

• 1:06:16Speaker 07

  If she really bout it, she could see it again.

• 1:06:20Laci Mosley?

  Okay, maybe the apple didn't fall far from the tree.

• 1:06:21Speaker 07

  Maybe there's a way.

• 1:06:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay, grandson in prison. Maybe Grandma knew a thing or two.

• 1:06:25Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 1:06:26Laci Mosley?

  So, Art Monk. This is a 68-year-old man named Art Monk. His name sounds like a restaurant or something, like Art Monk. But his name is Art. So, Art started getting calls and texts from an In-N-Out bail bonds. That's the company name, In-N-Out Bail Bonds. I like that name. They're telling you exactly what they gonna do. You in, and we gonna get you out.

• 1:06:47Speaker 07

  Don't villainize my burgers like that now. We can't be villainizing the burgers like that.

• 1:06:52Laci Mosley?

  Can I get my bail animal style?

• 1:06:54Speaker 07

  Animal style. We got a secret menu that'll kill you, actually.

• 1:06:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. So, In-N-Out Bail Bonds says to Art that his adult child was in jail and needed help. Art was over his child's BS at the time and didn't go for it. His first response was, "Not my problem." Now, Art right here looks like a fed-up parent.

• 1:07:17Speaker 07

  Oh, he's pissed.

• 1:07:17Laci Mosley?

  The glasses are riding so close to the nostrils.

• 1:07:20Speaker 07

  I can hear his groans.

• 1:07:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Like, this man, every time he gotta get up, he's like, "Ugh." And whoever his son is clearly has worn out the welcome of, you know, the parents bailing him out. Could you imagine? Like, somebody trying to hold your kid for ransom, they calling, like, "Which kid you got? I'll keep him, keep him." "Don't call me no more."

• 1:07:42Speaker 07

  Lose my number.

• 1:07:44Laci Mosley?

  Right. So, later, though, Art, the father, he changed his mind and texted back that he would help. Because this is, now, any communication that involves a government organization and texts immediately, to me, is fraudulent.

• 1:08:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:08:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:02Speaker 07

  What you mean, you texting me?

• 1:08:04Laci Mosley?

  If it's not Amber Alert or Old Person Alert, what do they call those gray alerts, elder alerts?

• 1:08:10Speaker 07

  The silver alerts.

• 1:08:11Laci Mosley?

  Silver alerts.

• 1:08:12Speaker 07

  Silver alerts.

• 1:08:13Laci Mosley?

  That's classy. I like that for now.

• 1:08:16Speaker 07

  Because I don't want to be called gray-haired, but if you called me silver-haired, huh?

• 1:08:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Silver fox alert. Okay, that makes me want to run away more.

• 1:08:25Speaker 07

  Yeah, actually.

• 1:08:25Laci Mosley?

  Let me run away a little bit more so y'all can look for me. Yeah, you're right.

• 1:08:31Speaker 07

  This is on the...

• 1:08:31Laci Mosley?

  Geriatric alert. No, that's not gonna work.

• 1:08:34Speaker 07

  What you mean, walker alert?

• 1:08:36Laci Mosley?

  Walker alert. They can't get far.

• 1:08:38Speaker 07

  Motorized scooter alert. No. Please, stop.

• 1:08:43Laci Mosley?

  But for, like, be for real. But yes, so he changed his mind. But come on now, texting. So, the caller said his name was James. Art kept chatting with James, who was polite and had a southern accent and seemed trustworthy. Okay.

• 1:08:58Speaker 07

  Good upstanding southern man.

• 1:09:00Laci Mosley?

  He seemed trustworthy over the phone.

• 1:09:04Laci Mosley?

  So, Art started sending money via Cash App, your good old friend, for bail, rehab, and psychiatric medication. Damn, so Art was probably so tired of his son just, like, wreaking havoc and was trying to help him. He thought maybe James was a good Christian man who was gonna put his son on the right path.

• 1:09:23Speaker 07

  He does.

• 1:09:25Laci Mosley?

  James texted, "Sir, I'm not going to lie." He started crying after I told him how much you spent for him to go to this rehab.

• 1:09:33Speaker 07

  Oh, he's sick. Oh, he is sick.

• 1:09:39Laci Mosley?

  "James," in quotes, "why would you, why would you take it that far?" Now this dad thinks he's finally getting through to his son, who clearly has been wayward.

• 1:09:48Speaker 07

  Oh, my God.

• 1:09:49Laci Mosley?

  You see, your son, your son cried, tears of joy.

• 1:09:53Speaker 07

  I can, low-key, we could probably forgive the scam, but that emo, you gotta be sick.

• 1:10:00Laci Mosley?

  And we don't know how much Art has been through. Can you imagine how much you have to be through with your child for when a jailhouse calls? You're like, "Not my problem."

• 1:10:10Laci Mosley?

  "You about to leave your baby in the clizzink?"

• 1:10:13Speaker 07

  In jail.

• 1:10:14Laci Mosley?

  That means that wasn't his first bailout.

• 1:10:15Speaker 07

  Now, there's, there's a couple things that my mother will be fed up with me about. But if she has the opportunity to get me out of jail, she is going to.

• 1:10:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I'm getting out immediately.

• 1:10:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, I'm getting out.

• 1:10:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:10:24Speaker 07

  It is, it's not, no, "Not my problem, and I'll do it later." She's doing it then.

• 1:10:27Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. And, like, I'm also thinking, like, if he says "not my problem," I bet that some of his son's waywardness was directly targeted at the family. Who knows how many safes the son done emptied, or watches he done stole, or his grandma's jewelry, or a pond.

• 1:10:43Speaker 07

  I'd say probably went up to Grandma's and got in that jewelry box.

• 1:10:45Laci Mosley?

  Because, you know what I mean? Like, especially if you're an active addict, sometimes that can go that way. So, I feel so bad for Art. Art ended up losing $12,000 this way. $12,000 trying to save his son.

• 1:10:57Speaker 07

  $12,000?

• 1:10:58Laci Mosley?

  To James. I'm always saying his name weird because that's not his real name.

• 1:11:02Speaker 07

  Where did Art get $12,000 to give like that?

• 1:11:05Laci Mosley?

  Art is a white man in America of a certain age, okay? They had jobs. Okay?

• 1:11:11Speaker 07

  Can't fight you on that one.

• 1:11:12Laci Mosley?

  White picking fence. Remember when that was in the American dream? Fences?

• 1:11:16Speaker 07

  I did see steps in that picture. Art got the two-story house. So, he might, yeah.

• 1:11:19Laci Mosley?

  He got multiple floors to be upset on.

• 1:11:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay?

• 1:11:24Speaker 07

  Maybe an elevator. We didn't see it. We might have it.

• 1:11:28Laci Mosley?

  Listen, it's only a certain amount of square footage I got to be mad at.

• 1:11:31Speaker 07

  Wait, for $12,000, his son has to be doing white-collar crime?

• 1:11:34Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 1:11:35Speaker 07

  Well, that's a white-collar crime, in my opinion.

• 1:11:38Laci Mosley?

  I feel like white-collar crime, they would've bailed him out.

• 1:11:40Speaker 07

  Yeah, but white-collar, white-collar crime, and you got some parents that, that might, might be hip to the game and know not to get scammed.

• 1:11:46Laci Mosley?

  But also, they might be of the age where you could've saved money back then. You know what I mean? Like, these are the type of people who could afford a second family on, you know, like, a goddamn gas station pumper salary.

• 1:11:57Speaker 07

  He probably started that piggy bank in 1984.

• 1:12:00Laci Mosley?

  Yep. When money was money owning.

• 1:12:02Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:12:03Laci Mosley?

  Yep. So, he had set the money aside to pay his taxes. Oh. Okay. Scammer, Uncle Sam. It was kind of...

• 1:12:13Speaker 07

  It was the two, the lesser evil.

• 1:12:15Laci Mosley?

  In this economy, look, we, we're, we're trying to get the DSA up and we want the tax dollars to go to the people. So, hopefully, there won't be a scam soon. But right now, maybe that money wasn't going nowhere either way.

• 1:12:25Speaker 07

  It wasn't going to a good place regardless, but...

• 1:12:28Laci Mosley?

  And he had said, right. So, James wasn't a bondsman, right? James, he wasn't a bondsman. He was an inmate, locked up two hours away at Washington State Prison in Davisboro, Georgia. Art contacted the local sheriff department and texted the scammer, "You just messed with the wrong hombre."

• 1:12:47Speaker 07

  "Ombre?"

• 1:12:49Laci Mosley?

  That's how you know this white man was mad.

• 1:12:50Speaker 07

  Uh-oh.

• 1:12:51Laci Mosley?

  He started pulling out the white words. He said, "You're cruising for a bruising, buddy."

• 1:12:55Speaker 07

  You cruising for a bruising.

• 1:12:56Laci Mosley?

  You're about to take a long walk off a short cliff.

• 1:12:59Speaker 07

  You're skating on thin ice, pal. He hit him with that one.

• 1:13:03Laci Mosley?

  Oh, brother, get a load of this guy.

• 1:13:05Speaker 07

  Get a load of this guy.

• 1:13:06Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:13:09Laci Mosley?

  I've just about had it up to here.

• 1:13:11Speaker 07

  Now, I'm just about gotten off with you, man.

• 1:13:15Laci Mosley?

  A bunch of malarkey.

• 1:13:19Laci Mosley?

  Oh no, don't do the shenanigans to this man. Ombre?

• 1:13:22Speaker 07

  Ombre?

• 1:13:23Laci Mosley?

  No, I don't want to know where he's armed.

• 1:13:24Speaker 07

  Ombre, he reached into his bilingual bag?

• 1:13:27Laci Mosley?

  He said, "Just in case, whatever language you speak."

• 1:13:30Speaker 07

  He stopped and he got him a tostada before he said that. He's made sure, he said, that was fresh on his mind when he said. When he said, "You messed with the wrong."

• 1:13:40Laci Mosley?

  Nah, he just left Taco Bell.

• 1:13:41Speaker 07

  He just left Taco Bell. That was fresh on his mind. Mild sauce.

• 1:13:46Laci Mosley?

  Right, ripping it off with the teeth.

• 1:13:48Speaker 07

  Probably got a little residue on his fingers when he said it.

• 1:13:50Laci Mosley?

  Right, all of on the phone with his large font.

• 1:13:53Speaker 07

  Auto correct, probably pressed the K before he pressed the H. And then, and then he got it out.

• 1:13:58Laci Mosley?

  And can you imagine, Art is probably so tired of his son scamming him, and even now, his wayward ass son has managed to scam him again, even though the son wasn't involved in it.

• 1:14:07Speaker 07

  Now, that would piss me off too even more.

• 1:14:09Laci Mosley?

  Like, your son is so bad, I'm gonna fail for another damn scam.

• 1:14:11Speaker 07

  Cause why is you talking so much in prison that people know that I'm your daddy?

• 1:14:14Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:14:15Speaker 07

  Like, why are you talking so much?

• 1:14:17Laci Mosley?

  How they know you susceptible to go to jail?

• 1:14:19Speaker 07

  And were you in that jail because, is word traveling to other inmates?

• 1:14:23Laci Mosley?

  So, Art Monk is standing on business. We done got that from the language he's using. He said, "Okay, pal, pal, pack it up, pal, alright." So, he went to the Richland, South Carolina Sheriff's Office, and he filed his complaint with his evidence. And nine inmates were charged for stealing over a hundred thousand dollars from a hundred people. And to boot, when their sentences are up in Georgia, they will be extradited to South Carolina so they can face more charges. Because remember, they were calling from Georgia prisons, but they were calling multiple different states running this fraud. So, they got charges in more than one state. So, they just doing more jail on jail.

• 1:15:01Speaker 07

  Oh my god.

• 1:15:03Laci Mosley?

  A hundred thousand dollars from a hundred people.

• 1:15:06Speaker 07

  Now, I would, okay. What is you doing with it in there? Like, why you, why you just couldn't take that scam and put it behind your ear and then save it till you got out?

• 1:15:14Laci Mosley?

  Well, I mean, they're getting more, you know, like, you use that money to buy contraband, or you use that money to, you know, get more stuff from the commissary.

• 1:15:23Speaker 07

  Maybe, maybe they're sending it home. Yeah, that's true.

• 1:15:25Laci Mosley?

  That would be nice if they were sending it home. I don't know, maybe there's some altruistic.

• 1:15:30Speaker 07

  I hope they're sending it home. You gotta, you gotta cut Granny off a little bit of, like, you could, maybe, maybe the son gotta run the scam too, so he could send his daddy the money back.

• 1:15:40Laci Mosley?

  Not you trying to get the whole family involved. It's not a family affair. We do not want them to do this better. Cause they are, they are, they are coming against, like, innocent people, people who have lost loved ones to prison.

• 1:15:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's true, yeah.

• 1:15:52Laci Mosley?

  And losing a loved one to prison, I mean, it's not death, but it's like, kind of like, what? Like, one step away from that because they're not in your life anymore. And depending on where they are and what your financial situation is, you may not be set up to see them. Or depending on what they did, they might just be dead to you anyway. You know?

• 1:16:09Speaker 07

  No, that, yeah, that's true. Yeah, you're right, you're right.

• 1:16:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and when it comes to Art Monk,

• 1:16:15Laci Mosley?

  I feel bad for Art Monk, cause he didn't use his tax money on these scammers. He's not gonna see a dime of that money back. But I'm glad he at least got some justice and brought this to people's attention.

• 1:16:24Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 1:16:24Laci Mosley?

  Now, are there still inmates with phones? Absolutely. I mean, we saw not too long ago, um, that music man, um, the Take That Man, I'm not gonna say his name. But he was, um, beat up in the jail that he was in.

• 1:16:40Speaker 07

  He was?

• 1:16:41Laci Mosley?

  Yes, um, by someone named Dudus, who I guess is like a big Jamaican drug lord scary guy. Because Dudus was mad that Diddy and Dudus, I'm gonna say the name. But these names are ridiculous. If y'all see anybody with a name like this, just run away, cause they can't be up to anything good.

• 1:16:54Speaker 07

  Why does it sound like you humming a song, "Diddy, Diddy, Dudus"?

• 1:16:56Laci Mosley?

  Did he Dudus?

• 1:16:57Speaker 07

  Did he Dudus.

• 1:16:58Laci Mosley?

  And yes, he did it.

• 1:16:59Speaker 07

  Did he Dudus, did he, did he?

• 1:17:00Laci Mosley?

  So, Dudus beat him up and sent him to the hospital because he did, he was like getting massages in jail. He was drinking Hennessy. He was having personal phone calls with a personal cellphone. They said, like, he had somebody who would come and clean his, like, cell. Like, he was like having a whole, you know, wonderful life in there. And because he's so famous, other people were taking pictures of him, and then they got leaked online. And so, then the jail had to crack down on everybody. So, then everybody was mad at him, and now he's been transferred. So, yeah, so I think, like, I don't think all prisons are cracking down on the cellphone use, but when the heat is on them, then obviously, they tend to try to, like, do the right thing.

• 1:17:38Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:38Laci Mosley?

  But in a situation where it's mutually beneficial for the inmate and the guard on multiple levels to sneak in a cellphone, I don't see that stopping anytime soon, do you?

• 1:17:47Speaker 07

  No, I don't. I don't see it stopping because it's like, the call is essentially coming from inside the house.

• 1:17:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the big house, yeah.

• 1:17:54Speaker 07

  The people that have the ability to stop the phones are literally bringing the phones into the place, and they're benefiting from it. They're not gonna stop something that they're benefiting from.

• 1:18:02Laci Mosley?

  And they're benefiting in more ways than one. Because that inmate that we got the interview from said that the guard gets some cash, and it's not like they pay COs a lot of money. Yes, and they chill out, they're less stabbing, less raids. Because now, you know, they're on the phone, playing games.

• 1:18:17Speaker 07

  Not none, but less.

• 1:18:18Laci Mosley?

  Right, less, okay? Now, they on the phone lying to women on the outside.

• 1:18:22Speaker 07

  Some of them telling the truth.

• 1:18:24Laci Mosley?

  They all lying.

• 1:18:24Speaker 07

  I've seen love after lockup, some of them telling the truth.

• 1:18:26Laci Mosley?

  If you've seen love after lockup, you know most of them lying.

• 1:18:31Speaker 07

  They're, they are just stepping away from the truth for a split second.

• 1:18:35Laci Mosley?

  Stepping away from the truth is wild.

• 1:18:39Laci Mosley?

  Man, no, these are lies. This is a fantasy. This is, this is a step, this is a, we're disembarking from facts.

• 1:18:45Speaker 07

  I wasn't lying, I was just joking, and you believed it.

• 1:18:47Laci Mosley?

  I was being whimsical.

• 1:18:49Speaker 07

  I was just imagining things.

• 1:18:51Laci Mosley?

  And one thing we know about people in jail is they love to be on the phone. Because when, and you can buy prisoners, like inmate, phone calls. It's like open to the public. That's how we got all of Young Thug's jail phone calls, where he was just, uh, yapping. He was just on the phone yapping. Look, he didn't do no scams, but he was on there yapping about Andy and everybody, and it all came out. He was just, I just know he had his feet kicked up.

• 1:19:14Speaker 07

  Which was crazy, cause it's like, you know that these can get leaked.

• 1:19:18Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if he did. I don't know if people were aware, or I don't think they were aware that the internet is so sleuthy these days that they are going to find you. Like, they're gonna get everything about you. Which is kind of sad.

• 1:19:30Speaker 07

  I assume that almost everything that I do outside of my home is being recorded.

• 1:19:34Laci Mosley?

  Which you should, because it is.

• 1:19:35Speaker 07

  Like, I assume everything that I do outside of my home is being recorded, so I act accordingly.

• 1:19:42Laci Mosley?

  You really do. We are in a surveillance state.

• 1:19:44Speaker 07

  Yes, we like.

• 1:19:45Laci Mosley?

  How do you feel about the scam?

• 1:19:47Speaker 07

  How do I feel about the scam?

• 1:19:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes, okay, so the scam essentially, I'm gonna remove contraband, like, not drugs, but like, cell phones specifically. I'm gonna remove that from this specific situation. The scam of the people with cell phones calling from in the prison.

• 1:20:03Speaker 07

  I think the idea of preying on innocent, vulnerable people in the outside is sick in general. And it makes me question a lot of, like, morality with the situation.

• 1:20:15Laci Mosley?

  Well, I mean, these people are in prison.

• 1:20:17Speaker 07

  Yes, so maybe there is not much morale.

• 1:20:19Laci Mosley?

  There's innocent people in prison, there's people with a moral compass in prison, but.

• 1:20:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, as long as, as long, yeah.

• 1:20:25Laci Mosley?

  Cause you gotta, you gotta handle your business.

• 1:20:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, but honestly, I doubt the people that are sorry that they're in prison are the ones doing these calls.

• 1:20:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, but this also just proves that, like, if you're a scammer, if you're a serial entrepreneur, you're always gonna find a way. These people have been locked up, and they have still found a way to get money out of people.

• 1:20:44Speaker 07

  And it's like, it's so sad because it's like, you obviously have the mind and the drive to do such amazing things, but you were a victim to a situation. And I feel like that can go into a whole nother different topic, so I'm not gonna go into that. But like, you know, that's, it's like, man, like, ugh, I don't, I don't know, like, I hate it because it's like, I don't, you don't want people to get more jail time, but obviously, you did something wrong.

• 1:21:07Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:21:07Speaker 07

  So, you, you get it, but it's like, you have a brilliant mind, like, a scary brilliant mind.

• 1:21:13Laci Mosley?

  For something that wasn't taking advantage of other vulnerable people.

• 1:21:16Speaker 07

  Exactly.

• 1:21:16Laci Mosley?

  Cause clearly, whoever was running this ring, you got nine people, you got a whole ass call center.

• 1:21:21Speaker 07

  Like, you know how to run games.

• 1:21:23Laci Mosley?

  Let me put you on hold.

• 1:21:24Speaker 07

  You can literally get out of there and open up and recruit people the same way in the real world.

• 1:21:29Laci Mosley?

  Hey, little murder, pick up on line five. Like, you know?

• 1:21:33Speaker 07

  No, because the thing is, you have to have that quality to see something in people, to know that you can bring them on board and run something successful.

• 1:21:39Laci Mosley?

  You got recruitment skills.

• 1:21:41Speaker 07

  You know how to, you know how to do this. It's like, this is crazy. This is so crazy, that this is what's happening.

• 1:21:48Laci Mosley?

  I know. I, I don't mind jail phones in prison. I, I think it's weird to try to, like, overlord on other people because they've, you know, committed a crime. Now, there's certain people, they don't need nothing in there, okay?

• 1:22:00Speaker 07

  Actually, just give them four walls.

• 1:22:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you need to be in the shoe. But, but you know, like, if you, if you, I don't know, you, I don't know, what's, what's something that I'm like, you go to jail, but I'm like, man, is it really? Should we be in jail?

• 1:22:17Speaker 07

  Should we be in jail?

• 1:22:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like, okay, let's say, like, if you're in a state that, uh, puts people in prison for weed.

• 1:22:23Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, no, no, yeah.

• 1:22:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so if you're in jail for weed, like, give the weed man a cellphone.

• 1:22:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, that's real, that's real.

• 1:22:28Laci Mosley?

  You know?

• 1:22:29Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:22:29Laci Mosley?

  And let him, like, make his recipes on TikTok.

• 1:22:31Speaker 07

  Or maybe I just let him out.

• 1:22:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, let him out is actually what we want.

• 1:22:34Speaker 07

  Actually, just let him out.

• 1:22:35Laci Mosley?

  Man has really fucked my brain. I asked for so little. I was like, oh, give him a cellphone. No, let him out! Let him out! Wow, LaRonde, I'm, wow. This country, the bar, there's no bar.

• 1:22:47Speaker 07

  The bar?

• 1:22:48Laci Mosley?

  We are just inhale. There's no bar to look at. We, there's no bar, and I was like, what about giving him a little cellphone?

• 1:22:54Speaker 07

  Because we're using AI.

• 1:22:57Speaker 07

  The bar is in hell, we're in hell.

• 1:22:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't know if the bar, I think the bar didn't come with us.

• 1:23:01Speaker 07

  We are the bar, unfortunately.

• 1:23:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I think the bar was like, y'all got it.

• 1:23:04Speaker 07

  The bar actually said the core of the earth is actually a lot warmer than this place.

• 1:23:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Wow, guess, let them out. Oh my goodness. Well, they're still doing this. At least they caught one ring of scammers and hopefully they'll catch other scammers. But leave the people who are doing TikToks because I like that.

• 1:23:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're fun. They're having a great time. Like, they're just TikToking. They're getting, and then they're getting the gifts on Tik. See, that's a productive way for them to get money. Go on TikTok Live. That's how they're, that's how other people are making money.

• 1:23:38Laci Mosley?

  Now we're encouraging everybody in prison to go on TikTok Live.

• 1:23:40Speaker 07

  Yeah, go on Tik.

• 1:23:42Laci Mosley?

  LaRon, everybody can't be a TikTok star like you, okay? They gotta be in jail right now.

• 1:23:46Speaker 07

  Okay, well then maybe do BeGo or something. There's a bunch of places they can go live.

• 1:23:50Laci Mosley?

  Not these options. Well, LaRon, thank you so much for coming on today.

• 1:23:53Speaker 07

  Thank you for having me. I have the time of my life every time I come here.

• 1:23:57Laci Mosley?

  I love when you come in here, yes. We always ask at the end of our show, where would you like to be found? And where people can follow you, or any projects you want them to see, all that good stuff.

• 1:24:04Speaker 07

  Ooh, you can find me on all my socia's and it's LaRonHinesOfficial. That's L.A.R.O.N.H.I.N.E.S. Official. I'm trying to get it changed to just LaRon, but it's tough. Instagram is the only one that's been tough for, because they don't, won't give up that username. But I do have some things in the works. I'm working on a show and Lacey's gonna be my guest.

• 1:24:26Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, yes.

• 1:24:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, she's gonna be my guest. So I'm very excited. A lot of things in the works, so just stay tuned for me. It's coming.

• 1:24:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes, there's such a talent, so I cannot wait to see and to be there. Yes.

• 1:24:40Speaker 07

  Cause Lacey's gonna be there.

• 1:24:41Laci Mosley?

  Now, if somebody call you from a jail phone, that's legit, and just get those Walmart gift cards before I arrive.

• 1:24:46Speaker 07

  Right, right, right, yeah, of course, of course.

• 1:24:48Laci Mosley?

  Thank you so much. As always, guys, you can find all of the photos and videos on Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. You can follow me at D.I.B.A.L.A.C.I.D. Lacey on all platforms. You can watch the show Scam Goddess on Hulu. You can get my book wherever books are sold. Or you can listen to the audiobook, wherever you'd like to put it in your ears. And congregation, I want you to get out there, mm, I want you to get out there and follow your calling. Yes, follow your calling, wherever it may lead.

• 1:25:16Speaker 07

  Don't let it lead you to jail, though.

• 1:25:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, don't let it lead you to jail. If the jail is calling, hang up.

• 1:25:20Speaker 07

  Hang up.

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