The (Not So) Charitable Cheat with Gabe Dunn (Fraud Friday)

What's poppin, con-gregation? This week, Gabe Dunn is on the show to discuss donations Donald Trump allegedly gave to charity. And no, charity is not the name of a porn star. Stay schemin! See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:12Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin' congregation is your girl Scam Goddess, AKA Lacey Mosley, and we are back for another installment of Scam Goddess Pandemic Edition. Uh, like I always say, guys, we're not going to talk about that because you're living it, right? Anyway, I'm super excited today. I always say I'm excited, I'm not getting on y'all nerves. Say it with me, I'm super excited. Thank you for our guest, Miss, this woman, she's so talented, she's so funny. She has a great podcast called Bad With Money. She also has another amazing podcast called Just Between Us. She's a New York Times bestselling author, honey. Miss Gabby Dunn.

• 2:48Speaker 06

  Hi.

• 2:49Laci Mosley?

  And what, hi, what book is the bestselling book? Because I also want to say that because the hoes need to read right now.

• 2:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, uh, well, it's called I Hate Everyone But You. It's the first book that I wrote with my co-host on Just Between Us, Alison Raskin. Uh, so that was our first book.

• 3:07Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 3:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, it came out in, gosh, 2017. Um, and then a sequel came out last year called Please Send Help. And it's like, just, it's YA, so it's very easy breezy read. But yeah, that, that's the one that got on the New York Times Bestseller list. It was very exciting.

• 3:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay, I mean, that's a huge accomplishment. I'm going to have to pick that up because you know I met your partner. I met Alison on YouTube space doing like a, a, some kind of short TV show.

• 3:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, she, yeah, she knew you already because you were a guest on our show. And she had, I was like, I love Scam Goddess. And, um, and Alison was like, I know her. I was like, oh, okay, well, excuse me.

• 3:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes, thank you, I know y'all too now, honey. I know some authors, honey.

• 3:55Laci Mosley?

  A bitch is cultured, okay? We're going to have to have a party with wine and cheese when we can leave so I can parade you around on my friends.

• 4:03Speaker 06

  She wrote a book.

• 4:04Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I remember. She wrote a book, okay? And she know me and I know her, okay? So I also too in turn wrote a book. You see how that works?

• 4:15Speaker 06

  Oh my God.

• 4:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh man, wait, what's your relationship with scams, Gabby? Do you have a relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you like them? Do you hate them? Do you feel like you're a scammer or no?

• 4:26Speaker 06

  Um, I like to do a good scam, but they're like small scams. So I wrote a book also called, I wrote another book. Uh, I wrote a book called, I wrote a book called Bad With Money, which was based on my podcast. And I had a whole chapter about scams I used to pull when I was in my early twenties in New York. And, um, because New York seems to be kind of the city of scams. Because you can just like do whatever you want there. It's very strange, but, uh, so like, I, I wrote this whole chapter and then they had me cut it because like a lot of it was, I guess, bad. Or, um, they were like, we can't have you advocate for, like, so, but they're like small scams. Like basically it was like, if you need an umbrella, don't ever buy an umbrella.

• 5:11Speaker 06

  Just walk into a hotel, be like, I'm so sorry, I was here yesterday and I left my umbrella. And then they'll just, or like a Starbucks or something and they'll just give you an umbrella.

• 5:20Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 5:20Speaker 06

  Or like if you, if you don't ever buy a phone charger, like go to a hotel and be like, I'm so sorry. I like worked here, yes, like, uh, you know, I was working on my laptop here yesterday and I left my charger, like, can I look in your lost and found? Boom, a charger. Um, like you're never, there's certain things you don't ever have to spend money on. Um, and, and so, but then I wrote that in the book and they were like, we can't advocate for, uh, lying and scheming. And I was like, but that's, that's the truth about how you save money. Like, it's been interesting doing a show about money where you kind of, I'm, I'm very honest on the show and I'm, I'm happy about that because like a lot of times it'll be like, the way that you make money is you do this, you do that.

• 6:03Speaker 06

  It's like very, um, like, here's the, if anybody could do it, you just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and you get this thing or whatever. But to be honest, a lot of it is like scamming. Like a lot of it is, is stuff like that or, um, or like, uh, I don't know. It's, it's, it's been interesting to, it's been interesting to find the balance between giving people practical advice and also sharing the truth of what people do to make money. Because sometimes if you're scamming, like, I talk about like, a little bit about like shoplifting in the book and like, don't shoplift from like a mom and pop,

• 6:47Speaker 06

  but like, if it's a Walmart or like a, you know what I mean? Like, there's a real loose sort of, like, if there, if it's like a, a chain, like a big chain that's unethical, like scam away, you know?

• 7:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we just call that Robin Hood. And also when you go and get an umbrella and you get like a charger from a hotel, which I have done the charger thing at a hotel before. I lost my charger for real, so I needed to find somebody else's charger.

• 7:16Speaker 06

  Right.

• 7:16Laci Mosley?

  And it's recycling. They have drawers of these things.

• 7:20Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 7:20Laci Mosley?

  They're not going to do anything with them. That is recycling, in my opinion. Uh, your editors was hatin', but they're probably also right because, you know.

• 7:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:29Laci Mosley?

  You don't want to admit to crimes in a book.

• 7:31Speaker 06

  No, but is it a crime? It's like, is it, I mean, shoplifting, yes, but like, is it a crime? I don't know. It's also like.

• 7:38Laci Mosley?

  The hotel thing?

• 7:39Speaker 06

  The hotel, it's not a crime, but it's also, uh, but I also did get scammed because I had, do you know those, um, apps that are like, uh, what is it called? There's like those apps that you can like sell things on and it's like, or you trade things?

• 7:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like Poshmark and shit like that, right?

• 8:02Speaker 06

  No, it's ones where you meet up in person.

• 8:06Speaker 06

  It's like.

• 8:06Laci Mosley?

  Like Craigslist?

• 8:07Speaker 06

  It's like.

• 8:08Laci Mosley?

  Murder research?

• 8:09Speaker 06

  It's like Craigslist, yeah. It's like Craigslist, but, um, but not Craigslist.

• 8:16Laci Mosley?

  Is it seedier or better than Craigslist?

• 8:19Speaker 06

  It's supposed to.

• 8:21Laci Mosley?

  One to 10, like how much murder are you expecting?

• 8:23Speaker 06

  Right, so it's supposed to be like better than Craigslist. But, um, but it's actually, what is it called? It's called like, I want to say it's called like Left Behind. That's not accurate, hold on, hold on.

• 8:40Laci Mosley?

  That sounds like that book where all the people's clothes evaporated.

• 8:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:44Laci Mosley?

  I always wanted that to happen.

• 8:46Speaker 06

  Selling, where you're. You want to get raptured?

• 8:51Laci Mosley?

  Hell yeah, I want to get raptured. I'm not trying to be the last bitch on earth. I'm trying to, I'll get naked right here and now to get raptured.

• 8:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, uh, I'm not going to, I'm, it's like, I'm not going to be able to find it. But basically.

• 9:02Laci Mosley?

  It's okay, people will tweet us.

• 9:04Speaker 06

  I know, I'm sorry, there's a few of them. But basically I went on one, um, to sell a bracelet and I got to the, we met up in public in a parking lot and I got to the, to the place and he was holding a baby, an infant, the guy. And he was like, and I was like, he, I was like, oh, okay, here's the, he was like, here's my baby or whatever. And then I was like, okay, here's the bracelet. And then he was like, great, I'll go get the money. And then he just got in his car with the baby and left.

• 9:34Speaker 06

  So he

• 9:35Laci Mosley?

  What the, so was the baby there to distract you?

• 9:37Speaker 06

  Yes, yes. He used his baby. As a just, yeah, he used his baby to be like, see, I'm safe. I'm a good person or whatever. And then you just

• 9:48Laci Mosley?

  Most babies are unemployed, so I'm glad that that baby got a profession. Cause it's time. Babies be out here just lounging around, not doing shit, not contributing to the household. So this baby is contributing financially.

• 10:00Speaker 06

  Well, you

• 10:00Laci Mosley?

  And I appreciate that baby.

• 10:01Speaker 06

  You talk about on the show, um, like people using things to seem trustworthy. And like having a kid with you is like a huge one. Like, and I, now I realize like, it doesn't mean anything if someone has a baby. Bad people have babies all the time. But it is like, wow, that baby is like being used as an accessory in crimes. And the baby is like a baby.

• 10:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I love it. And then I love little pickpocketers. I love like a little just like English pickpocket toddler. Oh.

• 10:33Speaker 06

  It made me feel okay about, it was like, whatever. The bracelet was like, whatever. And I was like, um, you know what? Sometimes I'm like, jokes on me, like fool me once, like, uh, okay. And I was like, you know what? That's a freebie. Cause I, I assume, I try to assume. When someone is scamming, the way that like when I was scamming, it's because I was desperate. So like, I try to assume that like, oh, that, you know what? That baby needed food. Like that person did that because the baby needed food or something like

• 11:05Laci Mosley?

  Baby just got some Similac. Big job.

• 11:06Speaker 06

  Yeah. Or like even, I have like weird empathy. Like even when some, like a postmate takes your food. I'm like, you know what? They probably needed it.

• 11:14Laci Mosley?

  I'm the same way too with postmates. It sucks sometimes because I've had them steal my food and then the, the food place or wherever I ordered it from is closed. So now I can't even get that. And I had my mouth all ready for it. And so I'm like, that hurts. It really does. Uh, it's happened to me several times, but you're right. I try to be more empathetic. I didn't want to go out like Lizzo tweeting bitches photos of shit like, this house stole my food.

• 11:36Speaker 06

  But then, okay, so then I did, so then I got robbed, when I, when that happened, I called the police. It took like two hours for them to get back to me. And then they were like, took a description of the guy and then they were like, what happened? And I was like, well, you know, he was holding a baby. I gave him the bracelet. He went to his car to get money and they just got in the car and drove off or whatever. And they were basically like, oh yeah, that sucks. And let me just say, and I'm sure I don't have to tell you this, the, anytime I've called the police for like something happening, I have never been met with anything other than, yeah, that sucks. Like I've never

• 12:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. The police are here to harm people. They're not really here to

• 12:14Speaker 06

  I, I'm not even, it's not even harming obviously to me because I'm white, but it was just like, it's just every time I've called them for something, it's been met with a shrug. Like I got robbed, I got mugged in Paris and I went to the police and they were like, what do you want us to do? And I was like, I don't know, look into the mugging? Like,

• 12:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. You gotta be Kim Kardashian to get them to look into your mugging.

• 12:37Speaker 06

  So the amount of, like, so I was like, yeah, this guy's like apparently running a scam. Like here's his profile on the website. Like here's his scam thing, you know, like, he's clearly like probably got multiple profiles. I'm sure he'll be able to find other people to like chart, you know, whatever. And they were just like, ah, yeah, it seems like a lot of work. So.

• 12:57Laci Mosley?

  That's happened to me. I had somebody do a hit and run on my car and I don't know why I reported it to, I did the non-emergency 911 because I didn't want them to show up because I am black. And when we call the police, they are here to harm us. Uh, you know, they do wellness checks. You won't be well after the check.

• 13:11Speaker 06

  Right.

• 13:12Laci Mosley?

  So, so I was like, non-emergency police, please do not show up where I am. Um, and I told them what happened and they were like, damn sis, you know, that really sucks. Um, yeah, you could file a report or whatever, but we'd never go find the guy. I was like, okay. Like it was just for show.

• 13:28Speaker 06

  Yeah. Uh, yeah.

• 13:30Laci Mosley?

  Um, we'll get into what's hot and fraud. Um, so this is actually something that's popped up during quarantine, but I guess it's been around for a while. It's the reemergence of a scam known as the circle game or blessing circle or mandala game. Just in case you're seeing a different version of one of these things, but all three of those are the same scam. So police in California are warning the public, there's a reemergence of an online scam called the circle game, which asks people to pay an entry fee in order to play. Um, so basically what it does is you pay a hundred dollars. Oh, it's also been called the loom circle.

• 14:09Laci Mosley?

  They have so many names for this shit. Anything with circle, don't get involved unless it's on Netflix. Cause clearly it's some bullshit afoot. So according to the police, most recent versions of the scheme promised eight hundred dollars return on a hundred dollar investment. In order for the first eight people to be paid, sixty-four new people have to buy in. In order for those sixty-four people to be paid, five hundred and twelve people have to buy in, so on and so forth. So this is just like an OG pyramid scheme.

• 14:34Speaker 06

  Yeah. I was about to say, that's a pyramid scheme. Everyone knows what that is, right?

• 14:37Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but it's called loom circle, girl. We got new names for it. Like loom sounds like goop. That sounds like a, a wonderful white lady brand that I want to be a part of. You know what I mean? It's just a pussy candle and, and a loom circle. That sounds refreshing.

• 14:51Speaker 06

  Loom is what you, loom is what you like knit on. So it is kind of like, it seems like safe and comforting.

• 15:00Laci Mosley?

  Right. This is like a, a, a middle-aged white woman activity, like looming. You know what I mean? So like, they're like, yes, I'm getting involved. I'm telling my friends. Um, so guys, eventually, once enough people are recruited and enough money is sent to the game's founding member, the system collapses and people lose money, according to the police department. So you'll lose money and also this activity is technically illegal in the US.

• 15:25Speaker 06

  Why would someone pay the entry fee?

• 15:28Laci Mosley?

  Because the whole point is like, okay, you pay a hundred dollars. And then once you round up enough people, you're loom circle, uh, you know, ca- candlelit, whatever the fuck you call it, the, the mandala, you get paid.

• 15:40Speaker 06

  By who?

• 15:41Laci Mosley?

  So, but in order, by the people who are buying in. So say, say, let's say we start with eight people, right? Then those eight people have to each recruit eight more people. Cause if you get sixty-four people who have paid the hundred dollars, all eight people who started the scam get paid their money. And then if those sixty-four people who have now been roped into the scam want to get their coins as well, they have to go out and recruit eight people each and get five hundred and twelve people to donate a hundred dollars. And then they get their coins. But there's one person who starts it and they get most of the money. And then they disappear.

• 16:16Speaker 06

  But so you know you're actively scamming your friends?

• 16:21Laci Mosley?

  Well, you, you think you're getting a man on the loom circle, girl. You're trying to get him.

• 16:24Speaker 06

  Like, the thing is like, people, money has to come from somewhere. Like, do people know that? Like it has to, it's, it's not a renewable resource. It has to come from someone.

• 16:37Speaker 06

  So eventually at the end of the thing, there, there's a nobody.

• 16:43Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. But here's the thing though, like with GoFundMe and crowdfunding, a lot of people don't understand the difference between crowdfunding and a pyramid scheme. So you might think like, oh, this is like a little GoFundMe, like we all putting in a dollar, but then I get to take home five hundred dollars because everybody gave me one dollar. Like you think of it more that way than you think of it like a pyramid scheme.

• 17:02Speaker 06

  I am not good at math. So I wouldn't even be able to be scammed by this. Cause the person would, I feel like it would be like, the person would be explaining this, like to me what I need to do. And I'd be like, but, but I don't like, I, I wouldn't be able to visualize the numbers and they'd give up. Like they'd be like, look, we tried to talk her into a scam, but she is too stupid. Like, like she is

• 17:29Laci Mosley?

  They kick you out of the circle. She was like, so who do I give? Who am I giving a hundred dollars to? And then, and then they, and do I rob somebody?

• 17:37Speaker 06

  Because how do you?

• 17:38Laci Mosley?

  Gabby, we're actually going to take you out of the circle. I'm so sorry Gabby, but we're removing you from the circle.

• 17:43Speaker 06

  Um, you've actually asked way too many questions and, cause like money, cause then like where does the money come from? Am I dumb? Lacey, what am I not understanding? Am I stupid?

• 17:57Laci Mosley?

  It's, no, you're not. It's just like when you crowdfund on GoFundMe, like everybody gives like fifty dollars, one dollar, twenty dollars.

• 18:05Speaker 06

  But I don't expect to get that money back when I give it to GoFundMe.

• 18:09Laci Mosley?

  Right. But in this situation, it's like if you had a GoFundMe going on and then you were like, okay, I'm going to give a hundred dollars. They're going to give me eight hundred dollars as soon as I get eight of my friends to give a hundred dollars. That's how I get my money back. And then the, my friends are now involved in the scheme and they go get eight more friends so that they can get eight hundred dollars. So technically all you had to invest was a hundred dollars, but then you go get eight of, you know, your home working, uh, Facebook moms. You go on the, the neighborhood watch group and you get a hundred dollars from them. And then that's how you get paid out.

• 18:41Speaker 06

  You have to just like not care about your friends. Oh, okay. I, La-

• 18:48Laci Mosley?

  You have to rob loved ones.

• 18:50Speaker 06

  Okay. So Lacey can see me, the people watching cannot. My face, I can see myself too. My face this entire time has been like that meme of the old woman thinking about math. Like my face this whole time has been like squinting.

• 19:01Laci Mosley?

  All the numbers on the screen. I was like, where do these numbers come from?

• 19:04Speaker 06

  This is, this is a rough one for me. Um, this is where you, everyone who follows me finds out I'm dumb.

• 19:12Laci Mosley?

  No, look, it's it's better to not understand and participate in these sorts of things because you never get your money back because all the money when you first start recruiting people is going to the person who started the scam. And then eventually they just

• 19:26Speaker 06

  Why is this happening right now during quarantine? Because people are just home?

• 19:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, people are home and like easy money is a thing and we talk about the Dust Bowl meeting, we talk about like, okay, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. If you over here calling your cousins, trying to get them to donate a hundred dollars to the Mandala Project, like, girl, no.

• 19:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 19:44Laci Mosley?

  Don't do it. Um, and they got cute little photos too. They got like a little, it's like a little map where they put the names on it in the blessing circle and it kind of looks like a diamond.

• 19:54Speaker 06

  Oh, no. Oh, no. When there's artwork, that's where it's convincing. Oh, no.

• 20:01Laci Mosley?

  This is the little art. And so they put the names on the little parts of the diamond. So it'd be like Gabby, Lacey, scammer.

• 20:09Speaker 06

  So it's like, it's like paying to be in like a top eight, like a MySpace top eight.

• 20:14Laci Mosley?

  Yes, like a MySpace top eight. Yes, but with money.

• 20:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, that seems um, bad. You know, I've been, I've been um, doing these giveaways where like people have been giving me money and I've been doing these giveaways on on Twitter for like, you know, people that need to pay bills.

• 20:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I've seen that.

• 20:33Speaker 06

  And some people are really like try, like they'll just request, like they'll get my Cash App from it and then or whatever. And then I'll just get like a hundred requests on Cash App, just being like, and I think they think that I'll just be like, oh, I've, you're right. I forgot I need to pay random person I've never met a hundred dollars for gro- like for gro- uh groceries or they'll be like, you know, you, you owe me money for this or whatever. Like they think I'm just gonna, but you know what? If you don't shoot your shot, even if it makes no sense, if you don't shoot your shot, I guess you you miss a hundred percent of the shots you don't take.

• 21:07Laci Mosley?

  Right. And especially because you're on Twitter, you have a good amount of followers and you are donating and I saw Yashar doing that, a few other people. Like, I'm sure there are people like, maybe they just rich, rich. Let me just go over here and invoice them real quick.

• 21:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, or like, right. I mean, it's not all my own money, but also like, or there's like, uh, people, I've noticed certain countries, like they'll be like the same person over and over again with different accounts. And it'll be like, it it's almost always the Philippines. And I'm like, oh, I see. Interesting. And they write the same exact thing. And I'm like, this is such a quarantine era scam that people can pull. Like I see people responding the exact same thing over and over again, and people just make accounts just to follow these giveaways or whatever. And I'm like, they don't actually need it. They're just like, this is my time.

• 21:52Laci Mosley?

  Right. Or maybe they do need it. Look, scamming is a profession. Scamming is a job. And I'm sure the scammers have also been laid off. Um, I'm sure scammers are underemployed right now and they can't file for unemployment. What they're supposed to tell the government their previous job was robbery? I need to file for robbery? I have not been able to break into anybody's homes because they are currently present at them. And that's really damaging the robbery industry.

• 22:19Speaker 06

  Oh, my God, that's so true.

• 22:22Laci Mosley?

  We need a stimulus package for the robbers. Look, without the robbers, we don't have ADT. You know, how do you sell home security if nobody's trying to burglarize? They are necessary in the, in the ecosystem. So shout out to the robbers out there. I know it's a tough times. These are tough times for robbers.

• 22:38Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 22:40Laci Mosley?

  We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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• 24:44Laci Mosley?

  Hey, guys, we are back and it is time for my favorite segment of this podcast, Historic Hoodwings. And guys, I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you today, um, I was talking to Gabby about this before we started recording. I didn't want to do this story and you guys have reached out to me about this story a lot, um, and about this nasty bitch. And I hate this motherfucker so much and I'm so sorry, but we are gonna do it. Uh, this is like not even all of the scams this raggedy ass hoe has run on us. Um, and if you don't know by now who I'm talking about, I'm talking about 45, um, Donald J. Raggedy bitch ass, orange ass Trump. Um, if you're a Trump supporter, you might want to go ahead and turn this shit off right now, but I'd be shocked if you was just listening to a black bitch talk all the time if you support Trump. Because I am very black again, a reminder.

• 25:29Speaker 06

  One thing, can I say, one thing I very much adore about this show is that like, nobody is forced to listen to it. And yet, like, you'll get, you like, when you talk about the things that are like, this show's very black, it's like, nobody's making you. Like, yes, that is why, that is the, the person who is the host of the show, like, I don't know, like,

• 25:53Laci Mosley?

  They're like, eh.

• 25:54Speaker 06

  Like, would you, you're like, oh, my God, the premise, love it. Could we replace the literal creator of, like, it makes no sense. So I also like, if you're like, I, I love Trump, ah, I love Trump, but I also love hearing about scams. Oh, no, there's not any other place I could possibly hear about scams.

• 26:15Laci Mosley?

  Well, I think a lot of that happened because like, original, like, kind of awards and write-ups that we got really likened us to the crime, like the true crime, which we are, we're true con. And so true crime heads are like a different breed. They're like, you know, all in it. A lot of them are like bro-y white dudes. And so they turn my shit on and they're like, what, who is this bitch and why is she open her mouth?

• 26:35Speaker 06

  They also like, it's also like, we get emails to JBU that are like, why don't you ever have like people from the other side on? And we're like, oh, because we don't want to.

• 26:47Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 26:48Speaker 06

  Because we don't like them.

• 26:49Laci Mosley?

  I don't need to.

• 26:50Speaker 06

  So anyway, if you like Trump, I guess skip this one episode, listen to the other episodes of Lacey's show.

• 26:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you could listen to all 30 whatever other episodes and just skip this one because guys, we're talking about Trump. Um, just so you guys know, because we don't like to steal from our writers, a lot of this story comes from Vanity Fair and it's written by Best Levin, uh, November 7th, 2019. So shout out to Best, shout out to, uh, I think that's a queen. Uh, I can't tell by the name, Best could be any gender.

• 27:19Speaker 06

  Shout out to a monarch.

• 27:20Laci Mosley?

  So, right. So we're talking about specifically Donald Trump's charity scam. There's so many. He had the fake university.

• 27:30Speaker 06

  Scammer. The ultimate scammer.

• 27:33Laci Mosley?

  Yes. He's, he scammed his way to the White House. And yes, he's terrible, but God, can you imagine going from just being an Adderall popping, cocaine sniffing, a reality TV show host who lies about his money to president of the United States?

• 27:51Speaker 06

  He didn't even want to be president. He was running to boost ratings for The Apprentice. Like, what the fuck? He almost scammed himself whilst scamming.

• 28:00Laci Mosley?

  He did. I remember his inauguration speech where he genuinely looked shocked. He was like, what the fuck am I doing here? Why is this happening?

• 28:08Speaker 06

  He played everyone and played himself.

• 28:11Laci Mosley?

  So Donald Trump's charity scam. Back in June 2018, the New York Attorney General's Office sued the president, all three of his adult children, and Donald J. Trump Foundation, accusing the charity of functioning as a little more than a checkbook to serve Trump's business and political interests. And said he was engaging in a shocking pattern of illegality.

• 28:32Speaker 06

  Shocking to who?

• 28:34Laci Mosley?

  I think that is an ex.

• 28:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:36Laci Mosley?

  No one, no one at this point. I mean, he came out and said he would shoot somebody off Fifth Avenue and he would still be supported. And I'm, he really might shoot somebody off Fifth Avenue. That's the only thing he has to do.

• 28:47Speaker 06

  He, he basically has. I mean, there's nothing, there's nothing he could do that would turn the people that are diehard against him. Like, he's right. He could, he, he, he's done things that I would say are worse than that. And like, still, I mean, even, like, even all, I mean, everything he's done has been a scam. Like, even, even not just the charity scam, but like, a- all of it has been scamming. I mean, since like the eighties and nineties, like people knew, knew that. And he's had many things fall through that people like, it was like common knowledge.

• 29:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's crazy. And I mean, all of it, the, the one thing that I will say about Trump is he keeps it in the family. Everybody in his family is doing crime. It's always time for crime at the Trump household.

• 29:35Speaker 06

  He fails up is the thing. Like, women

• 29:39Laci Mosley?

  He does.

• 29:39Speaker 06

  That have pulled scams are like destroyed forever. And then like, men have pulled scams and they just live to scam another day. So that's the whole story.

• 29:51Laci Mosley?

  There's definitely an inherent privilege. And like, I, and this is a random side note, but Ivanka had a shoe line back in the day. And this is before Trump was like running for office and shit. And I remember I used to try them shoes on. Those shoes was narrow, as fucking cheap as hell. And I just want to say that. And that has nothing to do with anything we're talking about, but the shoe business went out of business and I'm glad. Who were those shoes for Ivanka?

• 30:13Speaker 06

  Were those like?

• 30:15Laci Mosley?

  Jessica Simpson would never.

• 30:16Speaker 06

  I was literally about to say Jessica Simpson's shoe line is incredible.

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  It is and she's got they're comfortable they're nice and high you can run from the cops in them you know she's really putting out the footwear

• 30:28Speaker 06

  I was literally about to say like I like before you said it I was about to be like you know who shoe line is great Jessica Simpson

• 30:35Laci Mosley?

  It was a shock to everyone because everybody was like oh chicken of the sea Jessica is stupid and she was like jokes on you girls because I'm putting out the footwear

• 30:42Speaker 06

  It is popping

• 30:45Laci Mosley?

  Uh so the allegations in the suit also included a claim that ten thousand dollars was spent on a portrait of the president later found on display at one of his Florida hotels the reason Trump's charity bought it was because nobody else wanted it and his lawyer said in court

• 31:01Speaker 06

  Oh my god

• 31:04Laci Mosley?

  So you commissioned a photo of yourself like Trump you know you're not we don't want to look at you you're not a looker why are you getting paintings done and then you bought your own painting and then put it on display

• 31:16Speaker 06

  The problems just run so deep like even the thing that's going on now where he's like I take hydrocloxarine like I take it like I I you know when he's like promoting the covid cure and then you find out that he has stakes in the company that makes it like it's always like you could any avenue you go down with him you will find something that is a conflict of interest or something that he's doing in order to like make more money that's all it is I mean you talk about like people talk about this all the time but like there you're not supposed to have any conflict of interest as the president like Jimmy Carter had a peanut farm and he sold it because he didn't want to look like he was gonna make any profit off of being president like oh people might buy more peanuts

• 32:01Speaker 06

  because he's the president it would be unethical so he sold it think about how fucking quaint that is in comparison to what's going on now where Trump is literally just like promoting his own hotels and resorts as president like it is shocking

• 32:16Laci Mosley?

  He does club appearances at the Mar-a-Lago he does club appearances as president can you imagine having a wedding party and they're like hey the president's here pop a bottle why is the president don't he got presidential stuff to be doing why is he at the Mar-a-Lago and he's done several appearances it like makes people want to rent the hotel but for their wedding because they want the president to show up so they can take photos it's crazy I was like how am I getting a free before eleven flyer and the president is on

• 32:46Laci Mosley?

  they're talking about ladies ladies get in free president Donald Trump gonna be in the VIP if y'all want some hennessy with the president

• 32:54Speaker 06

  He it's he's turned the whole thing into a money making endeavor um and and he was doing so what you're talking about I mean he was doing that before he was president

• 33:04Speaker 06

  and charity and running a charity is a a great quote unquote way to like launder money essentially

• 33:10Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely because it's always just donations where do they come from we've had so many scams that were had a charity that was just washing everything clean um these purchases are bizarre though he had a hundred thousand dollars that he used uh to settle a legal dispute with the city of Palm Beach which Trump resolved by contributing the amount to the Fisher Foundation so he didn't pay somebody off to get rid of a case two hundred fifty eight thousand dollars was used to settle a lawsuit against Trump and his businesses including a hundred fifty eight thousand dollars to the Matt Martin Greenberg Foundation whose founder sued Trump National Golf after it failed to pay him a promise of million dollars for scoring a hole in one in a charity golf tournament

• 33:48Speaker 06

  Oh my god oh my god

• 33:51Laci Mosley?

  He was like my bad we didn't give you the million we'll give you a hundred fifty eight thousand five thousand was used to advertise Trump hotels because that's charity Eric Trump used his foundation mother money rather than his own to pay for a sixteen hundred dollar copper wine still and antique bottle washer what the fuck is that

• 34:10Speaker 06

  Here's the thing

• 34:13Speaker 06

  you lose you get to be a certain level of rich or you've started out as this level of rich you've always been this level of rich and you lose any perspective on like what the average person needs to survive and live and you lose any like idea of what things are worth or what money like I I like when I see celebrities houses and they're clearly a one person they're not married they don't have kids whatever and the house has like eight bedrooms why why but you convince yourself this is what I need and so it's people like that where like he's like what does a copper still cost hundred thousand dollars seems right here you go like they just lose any concept or never had any concept of like

• 34:54Speaker 06

  what things should cost what things do cost and like what where money should go and why

• 35:00Laci Mosley?

  Right it's like that Curb Your Enthusiasm joke where they're like do you know how much a banana costs

• 35:04Speaker 06

  It's a rest of development yeah

• 35:05Laci Mosley?

  How much could a banana cost Michael ten dollars like it is so yeah and like they just don't see it they just don't see it as um

• 35:18Speaker 06

  the way that like someone who knows where every dollar they spend goes they just don't see it they're like we'll use it to pay people off we'll use it for this we'll use it for that like they just don't have any concept of of how much money is worth

• 35:33Laci Mosley?

  Right but why are you out here pulling out your charity checkbook for this like yeah I need a sixteen hundred dollar copper cup hold on let me get my charity checkbook

• 35:40Speaker 06

  Because of taxes because we've given a lot of things tax exempt status and a lot of our what you're talking about the scam that you're talking about Lacey is um promoted by our government even before Trump as always like the the way that the government works is um giving tax exempt status or bailouts to wealthy people or corporations all the time it's it's not like a glitch it's a feature

• 36:06Laci Mosley?

  Right yeah and it's also like oh don't worry guys because when we give these tax breaks they're gonna make new jobs and then those new jobs are gonna be your employment and then you'll be trickling down you'll get all the like we're all got our mouths open sitting in the desert waiting for the fucking trickle down that shit is not coming

• 36:21Speaker 06

  It's not

• 36:22Laci Mosley?

  Like it's not coming especially now we've all seen all the holes and cracks in the system that maybe some people had the privilege to ignore but now it's like everyone gets to see how bad the government has been for so fucking long government is a scam

• 36:35Speaker 06

  The government is a scam wow

• 36:39Laci Mosley?

  Like I was talking about this before I was like if I give if I pay a parking ticket bitch I want to see a pothole with my name on it I want to know where exactly where the money went I want to see a stop sign it's like sponsored by Lacey Mosley and her no driving ass like I want to know where it's going

• 36:56Speaker 06

  Yes and that used to be the that used to be the case like not that that specifically but like it wasn't so twisted where like if you gave your money to a bank that bank was in your town like you you knew you were like hey Charlie the banker you live next door to me my money is in your bank now the government has made it so that it's all like federalized and like and like chains and so you have no idea where your money is ever

• 37:22Laci Mosley?

  Amorphous yes that's why I keep my money out of my mattress I'm just kidding

• 37:27Speaker 06

  I'm like I'm gonna bury it in my backyard because I don't know

• 37:30Laci Mosley?

  Right I I mean at this point so Eric Trump had a foundation too and his foundation pretty much did what it told its donors it would do send its money to St Jude until a huge board turnover four of the seven original board members who were personal friends of Eric left curious they were replaced by fourteen new board members the majority of whom owned all or much of their livelihoods to the Trump Organization so he got rid of his friends and then he got people who were his cronies his friends were probably like you know this stuff sounds illegal Eric he was like okay I'm gonna have to let y'all go

• 38:02Speaker 06

  Here's here's also here's also an assumption that I think uh middle class people have lower class people have um that is untrue which is that the people that are on boards for charities are rich people like it's not like oh my god they're so busy going to like the charity gala or they're like they're really busy like raising money for these things like a lot of times like you will raise a lot of money for a charity and then that money will like yes some of it go to the charity but a lot of it goes to pay the exorbitant salaries of the board members of the people who like are in charge of the charity like it is

• 38:39Speaker 06

  it is this like thing that I think makes people feel good but it is really if you're giving to a charity you really need to like look up and take into account like what the breakdown of your donation actually is

• 38:50Laci Mosley?

  Where your money is going how much of it is going because I mean there's so many popular charities like American Red Cross and places like that where they live there's some shady shit going on uh the bigger you get like it's a little more sketch so he hires these fourteen new board members who were very much dedicated to the Trump Organization six of them were full time employees including Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen you've heard that name and Eric was on the board his wife Laura and nine of the seventeen Eric Trump board members had vested interest in money making side of Trump empire duh uh the Trump Eric Trump's foundation wrote a twenty five thousand dollar check to the George Rodriguez Foundation of the Arts the same year

• 39:33Laci Mosley?

  George Rodriguez who had said that his famous Blue Dog painting sometimes sold for about twenty five thousand dollars created a portrait of Donald Trump for the auction at Eric's event so this is the portrait of Donald Trump that they said that they couldn't send

• 39:45Speaker 06

  Are you gonna show it to me

• 39:49Laci Mosley?

  I let me see if we

• 39:50Speaker 06

  Do we have it

• 39:51Laci Mosley?

  I mean I can't I can't imagine it being good Chelsea let's see if we can search that

• 39:56Speaker 06

  Okay

• 39:58Laci Mosley?

  Okay

• 40:01Speaker 06

  Oh the dog

• 40:02Laci Mosley?

  So that's the dog

• 40:03Speaker 06

  That's cute that's cute actually

• 40:08Speaker 06

  Oh no oh my god I'm so glad you got this in real time no no no no no

• 40:15Laci Mosley?

  Who the who the fuck drew this oh my god

• 40:19Speaker 06

  Y'all Google Donald Trump

• 40:22Laci Mosley?

  Blue dog is that what you put in

• 40:24Speaker 06

  George Rodriguez

• 40:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god

• 40:26Speaker 06

  Okay so what are we looking at here

• 40:29Laci Mosley?

  So put in George Rodriguez Trump guys when you're at home and Google this and look at this fucking photo

• 40:34Speaker 06

  The dog looks like it has been forcibly fed LSD and then told about mortality like it looks so scared

• 40:45Laci Mosley?

  Why is Donald Trump blue what is what is this flag I child this the ugliest shit I've ever seen in my life Of course this didn't sell it's really bad

• 40:57Speaker 06

  Wow well okay so here's the thing so I don't think it even had to be good because the point of it was to launder money I assume

• 41:05Laci Mosley?

  Right but they could have at least made it convincing that it was like cute art that people wanted to spend money on that is the ugliest shit I've ever seen in my life

• 41:14Speaker 06

  But if that was a picture if that was that same picture but it was of Beyonce I would I would be into it

• 41:21Laci Mosley?

  Right, I mean, well Beyonce and it even I'm into. Uh, the portrait ended up hanging over the couch in Eric Trump's house where he was photographed sitting beneath it two years later. Eric was asked about it on a phone call interview in Forbes the next day. So wait a minute, this is a different painting. So this is a painting that he commissioned that they sold uh for charity. This isn't even the painting that Donald Trump paid ten thousand dollars for that hangs in his Florida uh hotels. This is a different painting. They're just using money to launder, like they're laundering through art, which we all know happens. That's a very easy way to launder money. Wow, so Eric was asked about it in a phone call interview with Forbes the next day. After being told Forbes had several other questions, he sent a paragraph long text message which read, I love that there's people who can just text Forbes.

• 42:05Laci Mosley?

  Cause also Kanye does this, he be texting Forbes.

• 42:10Laci Mosley?

  That's impressive. Uh, so he says, I was reflecting on it last night. This is Eric Trump. I was reflecting on it last night and I have to say, I was really disappointed when you said the story would be fair. Seems like there is a motive against either myself or my family. And if that's the case, I would simply rather disengage. So they had questions about this painting and this money and he was like, you know, and he immediately goes to playing the victim.

• 42:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, if I had a painting of my father in my living room and then someone was like, can we ask you some more questions about this painting? And I was like, shut down the whole interview. That's weird. That's so weird.

• 42:44Laci Mosley?

  What's up with that painting? You know, I'm not gonna be attacked. I'm not gonna have my family attacked bitch. Take the, cut the cameras ASAP. Take these mics off. He's like, I just asked about a painting. He's like flipping the table over. He's like, get the fuck out of my house.

• 42:57Speaker 06

  So this is the thing is that like, there's something shady about almost every move. And I think that if you've grown up around that and this is like, Trump grew up wealthy and like the kids grew up wealthy. And so like, if you've grown up around that, the things that you, you've just normalized it. Like you just think that that's how things are done. That's how business is done. That's how, that's how you make more, that's, you just make more money. That's how you do it. Like they, I don't think there's, like, I think they are just so normalized in crime that they don't really understand that what they're doing doesn't help. It like, there's this thing with rich people of like, we deserve to be rich.

• 43:38Speaker 06

  We deserve to keep getting more rich. We, it's called the prosperity gospel and I talk about this in my book in relation to Trump. It's the idea that if you are rich, you are morally superior. You are, must have earned it in some way. God has blessed you because you are, you must be smarter than everyone. There's, there's no, if you're poor, you're stupid and there's a reason you're poor and you must be like morally inferior. And if you're a good person and like the reason that you're rich is because, like, so this is why economically disadvantaged people like Trump and voted for Trump. Not just because they see him as aspirational, but because they, the ultimate scam is this idea that he is wealthy for a reason.

• 44:20Speaker 06

  And people who are wealthy deserve it. Even with Jeff Bezos becoming a trillionaire, you see people like, who literally probably don't even make minimum wage, arguing in the comments on Twitter being like, I don't understand why we're mad at him for being a trillionaire. He came up with a great idea and he's rewarded for it and that's the American dream. And they have no concept.

• 44:40Laci Mosley?

  I tweeted about that and had people in my comments saying the same stuff like, well, why don't you learn how to code and make your own Amazon? Literal direct quote and shit. And I was like, out of all you, but I didn't want to be rude, but I was like, I don't know the motherfuckers in this comment section. I'm the most likely to become a billionaire and I'm telling you this is bullshit. Like, like this, what are you talking about? I, it's really sad that we've tricked people because I think that people don't understand that like Jeff Bezos didn't, he's not on his way to becoming a trillionaire because he was selling mixtapes out of the truck of his fucking car bitch. He ain't get that shit like Master P on the streets. You know, when you get a certain amount of money, you get involved in government, you get involved in lobbying, you get involved in making sure

• 45:20Laci Mosley?

  that our tag, our IRS division doesn't have the funds, is underfunded so that they cannot audit a billionaire. Physically, they can't. And who do they audit? The middle class. Like you're paying a higher percentage of taxes than these raggedy bitches and you trying to be one of them. You're not gonna be a billionaire.

• 45:35Speaker 06

  And, and uh, he historically is terrible to Amazon employees. Like Amazon employees suffer and are not paid and are, and are taken advantage of. So like, this idea that like, and I think people because, like, so Trump does all these scams and I think people really see it and they're not saying it this way because they believe themselves to be good. But in their minds, they're like, well, if I was that rich and that smart, that's, I would do that too. Like there, it's kind of like a, like a, a thing where they're like, they, they see it as like, well, if I, I would be committing these crimes, like getting away with the crime of it all is like a, like a prize.

• 46:15Laci Mosley?

  And to a extent, I understand that because on the show, like obviously we love scammers. We love to see how people like, you know, uh, cheat the system. However, this is just, it's detrimental in so many ways. And I think people don't understand that we're not saying like, oh, you can't make a lot of money and then you want to take it back because we want socialism. No bitch, we just want you to pay your fair share. Like all these billionaires would still be billionaires if they pay their taxes.

• 46:36Speaker 06

  There's a difference between the people you talk about who have quote unquote scammed or figured out ways to like get to the top or make themselves better. And people who come from wealthy families and greedily want more. If you're a scammer who came from nothing and you're just trying to like feed your baby who you're using in crimes, godspeed. But like, if you, if you are already a billionaire and you're disenfranchising people in order to become a trillionaire, like, that's not scamming, that's just like evil. Yeah.

• 47:08Laci Mosley?

  It's a sickness. It's hoarding. Like Jeff Bezos is basically that episode of hoarding where you go in and the lady got forty nine thousand newspapers and she got lots of little, little trinkets and she keeps all the bottle caps off her soda waters and stuff. That's Jeff Bezos with money.

• 47:25Speaker 06

  Well, this is the thing, right? So this is also like, Trump, Trump could have just continued on scamming. Why did he need to be president? Why become president?

• 47:37Laci Mosley?

  It's just his lifelong obsession with Barack Obama, which is so crazy because I've never seen another sitting president talk about the last president as much as Donald Trump does. It's crazy. Like he always talking about this bitch. I'm like, he lives rent free in your brain, huh? He's just be having dreams about Obama sweaty on the beach, running through the waves and he wakes up in a cold sweat. Like Trump, what is this? Do you want to be with this man? We all do. I understand. Um, but back to this particular scam. So they, the largest donation in the thirty something year history of these Trump charities was two hundred and sixty four thousand dollars uh to the Central Park Conservancy.

• 48:16Laci Mosley?

  Um, which basically went to restoring a fountain outside the Plaza Hotel with Trump owned at the time. So his biggest charitable donation was to a fountain in front of his own hotel that he owned at the time. The smallest donation was seven dollars, which was a foundation gift to the Boy Scouts, which conveniently happened to be the amount required to enroll a boy in the Scouts the year that his son Donald Trump Jr. Was eleven. So he enrolled his son in the Scouts and used charity money and only gave the Scouts seven dollars.

• 48:53Speaker 06

  So that is indicative of the scam. The bare minimum and then your child benefits. It, it's almost like, it, it is, it's just um generational wealth and privilege. Like it's just the, the whole thing of, also I'm sure he gets to put on his taxes, like donated to the Boy Scouts. Like I'm sure that's part of it too. A lot of it is just, um, it's all very for show. Like a lot of the scamming is like, when you talk about like scamming for the arts and stuff, like you can't really argue with that, right? Like if someone's like, I donate to the arts, you're not gonna like look deeper into that. You're like, you're like, ah, yes, the arts. Love, I love arts. You know, like nobody.

• 49:38Laci Mosley?

  I want them to keep doing arts for sure.

• 49:41Speaker 06

  I love to look at them. Like you don't really.

• 49:44Laci Mosley?

  Dance.

• 49:46Speaker 06

  Ballet.

• 49:47Laci Mosley?

  Christmas, Copeland. Absolutely.

• 49:50Speaker 06

  So like, yeah, there's nothing to argue. So if you're like, I donated to Boy Scouts, everyone's like, oh, like there's nothing to argue with there. And so, ugh.

• 49:58Laci Mosley?

  Well, this is how they got caught, which I mean, do they ever really get caught? He's still our president. Uh, the Trump Foundation agreed to dissolve December, in December, in the face of an investigation. So basically they were being faced with, they were gonna be audited. They were like, shit is shysty, shit is up. And they were like, you know what? Actually, we gonna cancel our organization.

• 50:16Speaker 06

  December twenty nineteen?

• 50:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, last December.

• 50:21Speaker 06

  That's so recently.

• 50:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Right. They were like, pull the plug, pull the plug, unplug everything, move, shred everything.

• 50:32Speaker 06

  Cardboard boxes with paper just shredding stuff, just running around. Quick, quick, quick, setting things on fire.

• 50:41Speaker 06

  Setting things on fire.

• 50:42Laci Mosley?

  Fire in the office. No, we just cleaning up. You know, fire actually is a much faster way to get rid of paper than the trash.

• 50:50Speaker 06

  What? This is normal.

• 50:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god. No, we recycling, so we gotta break up the computer into pieces.

• 50:58Speaker 06

  The amount that these people believe themselves to be the victims when they are, like, here's the thing, right? So your show is about scams and it's interesting to like, put these people as scammers because I think they're like, sometimes the scammers like, are the victims of of the structure of the structure of the world. Um, but these people had everything at their disposal and still chose to scam. That's what's so fucked up.

• 51:27Laci Mosley?

  Cause sometimes it's not about, and we talk about this, like, people get as far as they need to in a scam and they continue running scams. And so then it becomes to me like, okay, you, you like the high, like you wanna get over on people and it's not just about surviving. And so those people always get caught. I mean, not always, obviously, these people have failed quite upwards. Um, this case was prompted by David Farron Hall's reporting in the Washington Post about the foundation, which won the Pulitzer Prize in twenty seventeen. So that's the guy who, uh, wrote about this, won a Pulitzer. Last December, the Attorney General's Office announced that Trump would shut down the charity and now he's being forced by a judge to cough up two million dollars to a group of charities to settle the suit.

• 52:07Laci Mosley?

  The president tweeted, I am the only person I know, perhaps the only person, I'm the only person I know, perhaps the only person in history who can give a major money to a charity, nineteen million, charge no expense and be attacked by the political hacks of the New York state. No wonder we're all leaving every penny of this nineteen million dollar raised by the Trump Foundation with the hundreds of great charitable organizations, almost no expenses. Okay, obviously lying. Uh, he said that Letitia James, the Attorney General, is deliberately mischaracterizing the settlement for political purposes. And then he said that she should investigate, you guessed it, the Clinton Foundation.

• 52:44Speaker 06

  God. Okay.

• 52:50Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 52:52Speaker 06

  So did it get resolved? Did it get resolved in any way?

• 52:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he. Yeah, he had to liquidate the charity and donate all the assets that they had that they were obviously using for personal use. He had to donate them to other legitimate charities.

• 53:08Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 53:08Laci Mosley?

  So no jail time, no investigation. They basically were just like, oh, uh, no, we actually done with charity. We canceled our charity. Last week, we canceled the subscription on our charity, so y'all can have the money. Like they knew they're about to get caught up.

• 53:21Speaker 06

  It's just hard because charity is so broad. So it's like, what was their foundation purporting to do? Like, what did it think it wa- what was it? What, what was, what was it helping?

• 53:34Laci Mosley?

  I don't, I don't actually know. I don't know if they had a mission statement. It feels like it was like, we are a charity who gives to other charities for charity and also we do charitying. Um.

• 53:46Speaker 06

  And that's the problem.

• 53:47Laci Mosley?

  We, we are a nonprofit.

• 53:50Speaker 06

  That is.

• 53:51Laci Mosley?

  Hold on, let's see if there's a mission statement.

• 53:53Speaker 06

  Cause that's the problem is that a lot of these, like, you, you just say chari- like, we're doing this for charity and it's like, what charity?

• 54:00Laci Mosley?

  So he, he said his initial mission was to distribute proceeds from his book, The Art of the Deal, to charitable causes. What? That's your mission statement?

• 54:12Speaker 06

  Did that happen?

• 54:13Laci Mosley?

  That's a very Trump mission statement. No, that did not happen, uh, at all. But I'm also like, how, that's not a mission statement for a charity.

• 54:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, what?

• 54:22Laci Mosley?

  Isn't this supposed to be about helping people or uplifting a certain community?

• 54:26Speaker 06

  What people is it, is it going towards or what organization, what is it going towards? I wish that it just, I wish that it just said, Trump Foundation, what are, what are you, uh, it's like, we wanna buy copper stills for all the uh, legacy inheriting young men of the world. At least that I would be like, that's honest.

• 54:46Laci Mosley?

  Right. If he was just like, I'm giving my book money to the pores, like.

• 54:49Speaker 06

  I mean, cash out them, cash out the pores then, cash out them directly.

• 54:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. Yeah, we're tired of this. I also feel that way, especially right now. Like, I've donated to some charities. I've also just donated personally to people who were raising money for themselves. And I am kind of at the point where I'm like, where, when I get to this charity, like, who eating off of this? Like, who got the money after that? Cause I never know. And I'm very curious. Also, like, guys, if you're out there and someone's crowdfunding to raise money for charity, don't donate to the crowdfund, donate directly to the charity. Cause a lot of times people crowdfund for charity so that they can write off a huge amount of other people's money and it's a scam.

• 55:28Speaker 06

  It's a very interesting time because, um, because people are able to like, ask for help for themselves and you don't really have to go through an organization. But sometimes you, you do want to because you feel helpless and you don't know what to do and it is someone's job to take care of that. But you just have to be sure that it is specific enough and that you know the percentage, what percentage goes where um, and what it's being used for. Because there's been a lot of things outed that are like, oh, it was actually for this person's salary.

• 56:01Laci Mosley?

  Right, which in case is like, this is not directly gonna help anybody, it's just gonna line your pockets. Which I understand you have to look, you have to pay people who work for nonprofits. You have to pay anybody who touches money. You cannot not pay your treasurer in any organization because they will start stealing. Um, so you have to pay these people, but I am also like, I'm like, damn, like, how much? There should definitely be, I don't know, it's interesting. Cause some people work really, really hard in charities and who's to say you can't have a nice life working in a nonprofit sector? I don't think that that's fair.

• 56:36Speaker 06

  Totally. I just think if it's coming from, I just think if it's coming from someone like Trump or someone like, even the Clinton Foundation or someone like, you know, a wealthy person's charity, I would just look into that a little bit harsher than you would look into like, and a nonprofit that doesn't have like a figurehead. Does that make sense?

• 56:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. Or the nonprofit down the street from your house, you know what I mean? Like, you've got a women's center or whatever. I mean, like, yeah, look into everything, but i- if it is like Trump's charity for good deeds and giving, like.

• 57:13Speaker 06

  I just, I just think that a lot of times it is a convenient way to look like a good person to, to put money into a place where it's not gonna get taxed. And like, it's really amoral and really unfortunate. Some of the scams you have on this show, I'm like, whatever, live your, live your dreams. But this is one that I think is like, just an example of rich people believing so deeply that they have earned being rich that they have lost touch with what will actually help people and just want to continue to, to dogpile their money. And that sucks.

• 57:49Laci Mosley?

  Right. And that's also cause like, once you're in a certain stage in life, we always adjust to our surroundings. And then you may forget about things, like, when you go to, when I go to the grocery store, I'm not really looking at the price of anything that I put in my cart. I'm just like, oh, do I want these chips? I put them in. Do I want this toothpaste? I put it in. But there was a certain point in my life, especially in college, probably where I was pinching my little, you know, uh, allowance from my parents, which is still privileged. And I was like, damn, five dollars for this meat. You know what I mean? I was looking at those things. So there comes a point where you're this nasty rich, nasty honey. Um, where you, you know, you and your friends are all complaining about the, the, you know, the price of jet fuel for your PJ and shit.

• 58:28Laci Mosley?

  Like, you're no longer in the real world anymore. And that's what's happened in this whole quarantine with celebrities, which I found very funny. Is like, celebrities always kind of pretend like they're regular people, but they're also very rich, so they can navigate both spaces. It's like, oh, I'm rich and people know who I am, but also the people, I get on my Instagram and I talk to the girls face to face. You know, I give them the reel. And so they're getting on here trying to like, like Sam Smith fucking got on Instagram and cried. First of all, y'all, if you're out there listening, please don't ever cry and open your front face in camera. Like, nobody needs to just like.

• 59:06Laci Mosley?

  It's okay, it's okay, it's okay if you start talking on live or something and you get emotional. I understand that happens. It's okay if you start to cry, but it is never okay to be crying and then be like, you know what I should do now? Open my camera up and get on Instagram? What are you doing? And Sam Smith did that and we're like, how do you want us to feel, bro? You crying in a mansion, you crying in a parasite house. What?

• 59:30Speaker 06

  I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot of, um, there, there has been a lot of interesting stuff in that regard because I think we're not, we see celebrities out and about, but we don't ever really see their houses. Like, we never see where they live usually. Like, a lot of times they post from events or they post from out, you know, at a restaurant or something like that.

• 59:53Laci Mosley?

  Paparazzi, yeah, I got coffee.

• 59:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, but we never really spend so much time looking at the interiors of their houses. Like, certain celebrities, I've been laughing really hard because people are like, oh my god, they don't own any art. Like, their walls are bare. Like, are they okay? Like, what's going on? Like, you're really getting to see, um, you know, like, or like, there was some influencer that posted a picture and was like, my house is a mess and the kitchen was immaculate. And it's like, you're really getting like this insight into, into people with followings that you like normally wouldn't get access to. And, and it's, um, it's kind of showing you like who retains perspective

• 1:00:34Speaker 06

  and who is just like, I, I don't, I, you know, like, Ellen DeGeneres being like, I'm in prison. And it's like, honey, honey, no, you're not.

• 1:00:47Laci Mosley?

  Right. And look, everybody has made that joke at some point, but some of us just know better than to say it on national television. Girl, you ain't in nobody's jail.

• 1:00:55Speaker 06

  I have never, I have never been like, I'm in prison because they wouldn't allow dogs in prison and I have a dog here.

• 1:01:02Laci Mosley?

  Right. I've said I was in Martha Stewart jail because I imagine her jail was pretty nice. I was like, this seems about right. Like I can crochet. You know, I got a decent amount of space. This is probably what Martha was working with.

• 1:01:14Speaker 06

  Like, it's just very, um, it's been, I think even celebrities that promote charity, it's kind of this interesting thing where I think people think, well, if they have a charity, they're a good person. Like, and it's not, and that's the, that's the, the thing that was, um, I mean, I just think we gave Trump so much leeway with all of this stuff and we gave him so much credit for things that he didn't deserve credit for, that it led to him being president. Like this whole thing, like he's just really good at, but he's really good at business and that's why. It's like, no.

• 1:01:47Laci Mosley?

  I was like, he's had several bankruptcies. He's not good at business. He's a criminal. And they're like, but he made money off those bankruptcies. I was like, yes, but those destroyed people's lives. People lost their 401ks, people were unemployed. Like he, okay, but he made money. Like it's just, it's one of those things of like, until you're personally affected, you just look at the numbers. So you're not thinking about, it's not real until you know someone or you are a part of it, which is crazy how the lack of empathy that we've indoctrinated Americans with.

• 1:02:12Speaker 06

  I mean, even like we talk about The Big Short, right? I love the movie The Big Short, but it's like a fun romp through like the housing crisis. And like, we look at all these people and we're like, oh my God, like they were so smart and they did all these things and they whatever. But like, real people lost their homes and their retirements. But even in media, and I'm sure you know as an actress, like even, all of our media sort of, um, makes heroes out of people who can, who can, um, take advantage. And it's like very,

• 1:02:43Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:02:44Speaker 06

  Yeah. It's not, it's, it's, even when they're criticized in films or TVs, they're still, or TV shows, they're still lionized. And yes, I did just watch The Social Network again.

• 1:02:58Laci Mosley?

  Well, guys, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back with the last segment.

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• 1:05:03Laci Mosley?

  All right, guys, and we're back. Oh, this is the saddest time because this is like the last thing before I have to let Gabby go. And yeah, this is a long one, guys. Enjoy. Uh, us bitching about Donald Trump as if that's not what everybody does every single day. Sorry. Um, and this is also, I'm gonna leave with scammer of the week is also gonna just, we're gonna stay on theme here. Um, after one tweet to President Trump, this man got $69 million from New York State for ventilators. So,

• 1:05:31Speaker 06

  No, no ma'am.

• 1:05:33Laci Mosley?

  I, yes, I hate the power of Twitter that Twitter has now because Twitter has become so strong. It's absolutely ridiculous.

• 1:05:41Speaker 06

  I'm ready. I'm ready. What happened?

• 1:05:43Laci Mosley?

  So on March 27th, as emergency rooms in New York and across the country obviously began filling up, um, Donald Trump posted on Twitter urging Ford and General Motors to start making ventilators now. In caps, you know how he does. One of the thousand replies that the tweet attracted, um, struck an equally urgent tone. We can supply ICU ventilators invasive and non-invasive. We have someone, call me urgent. This person who wrote this tweet was Yaren Orin Pines. And Yaren is an electrical engineer in the Silicon Valley, a specialist in mobile technology. He currently just has 75 followers on Twitter. So shout out to y'all who ain't got a lot of

• 1:06:23Laci Mosley?

  followers. You could just tweet to the president and maybe get $69 million. Like, keep tweeting.

• 1:06:31Laci Mosley?

  So he apparently has no experience in government contracting or medical devices. But three days later, New York State paid Orin Pines $69.1 million.

• 1:06:42Speaker 06

  What, Lacey, what?

• 1:06:43Laci Mosley?

  The payment was,

• 1:06:43Speaker 06

  New York State paid him? Why? What do you?

• 1:06:50Laci Mosley?

  Cause he said on Twitter, I got them ventilators. I got them later.

• 1:06:53Speaker 06

  But they didn't check, they didn't check, they didn't do a background check on him? They didn't?

• 1:06:58Laci Mosley?

  We in a pandemic, Gabby, okay? He said he got the ventilators. He opened his coat like bruh, man. And he was like, yo, I got them ventilators. I got them ventilators. He popped his trunk. He said, hey, New York State.

• 1:07:09Speaker 06

  This is like when I went to see The Roots at Brooklyn Bowl on New Year's Eve in 2011 and I tried to buy Molly and it wasn't Molly. Like that's what, but like instead, I'm New York State.

• 1:07:21Laci Mosley?

  It was Sarah. It was Haley. It wasn't Molly.

• 1:07:25Speaker 06

  Instead of it being me at 24 in a, in a, at a concert on New Year's Eve, it's New York State and $69 million.

• 1:07:34Laci Mosley?

  New York State. So shout out to you Cuomo sexuals because he kept this shit under wraps. I didn't hear about this. Um, so the payment was for 1,450 ventilators. So 1,450 ventilators at an astonishing $47,656 per ventilator, at least triple the standard retail price of

• 1:07:54Speaker 06

  At least show me the ventilators. Show them to me.

• 1:07:58Laci Mosley?

  Price checking. They're not price checking. They just shop around. They were just like, nah, let's throw a cool 69 mil at a man off Twitter. So obviously not a single ventilator ever arrived. Uh, a state official, speaking of the background, like also like, bro, where did they send the $69 million to? Wells Fargo? He was like, yeah, I'm at TD Bank. Y'all send me the 69 million to TD.

• 1:08:22Speaker 06

  Cash app. Lacey, they cash apped it. Straight up cash app.

• 1:08:27Laci Mosley?

  Venmo me 69 million dollars.

• 1:08:30Speaker 06

  Pay Pal me 69 million dollars before taxes. Oh my God.

• 1:08:36Laci Mosley?

  Right. Actually Venmo said that's over the limit that we can send. So we're gonna do,

• 1:08:42Laci Mosley?

  you got cash app, we gonna cash app you 69 mil.

• 1:08:45Speaker 06

  God, help.

• 1:08:46Laci Mosley?

  What? So obviously the ventilator,

• 1:08:49Speaker 06

  They didn't ask to see a video or a picture of the ventilators?

• 1:08:53Laci Mosley?

  Nah, bruh. They just, he said, I got them ventilators and they said,

• 1:08:56Speaker 06

  People on Craigslist are, are shrewder than this.

• 1:08:59Laci Mosley?

  Than, than New York State. A state official speaking on the background, uh, speaking on background, because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the terms of the deal, said that New York entered into the contract with Orin Pines at the direct recommendation of the White House coronavirus task force. So, AKA Donald Trump was like, hey, I, I did a tweet and there's a guy who says he's got ventilators.

• 1:09:20Speaker 06

  No, and then they just had to listen to him?

• 1:09:22Laci Mosley?

  It seems that they got it on the good authority of the White House. You know how good that authority is. We're all injecting disinfectant. So nearly a month later, New York has terminated the contract and the state is now trying to recover all the money it paid the Silicon Valley electrical engineer. Officials refuse to say how much the state has been able to claw back. They said, we're in discussions on a few remaining issues.

• 1:09:45Speaker 06

  If I'm him, I change my name, hop, skip over to New Zealand and never talk to anyone again. Duh.

• 1:09:51Laci Mosley?

  Ever. I'm going to put all the money in the Cayman Islands. You will never see me set foot on American soil ever again. They reached out by phone to Orin Pines and he said, neither me nor my company is providing any comment on this. And then he hung up. What company? Orin?

• 1:10:08Speaker 06

  Orin Pine LLC, which he registered on Zoom, legal Zoom.

• 1:10:16Laci Mosley?

  So the, I know, this is crazy. The money he received on March 30th was the largest single payment made by the New York Department of Health under an executive order issued by Governor Andrew Cuomo last month that aimed to streamline the procurement process that critical medical equipment could reach the hospital as quickly as possible. So he's like cleaning up because this is obviously pandemic.

• 1:10:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is a 10 on your Despo meter.

• 1:10:40Speaker 06

  People are Despo.

• 1:10:41Laci Mosley?

  Cause we're at a 10. We're at a 10. We're Despo. And then he was like, great. I got them ventilators on Twitter.

• 1:10:50Laci Mosley?

  Bruh, I'm gonna start commenting on Donald Trump's tweets. Yeah, whatever he asking for. He's like, give me masks. I got them masks.

• 1:10:58Laci Mosley?

  Tell Cuomo to run me 69 mil.

• 1:11:01Speaker 06

  And then I just solved the Flint water crisis with it.

• 1:11:05Laci Mosley?

  Right. Oh my God. So states were forced to fend for themselves to purchase life-saving supplies to combat, you know, to combat this global pandemic. He added that the state has since been able to meet most of its needs, reevaluating contracts and canceling others. So they had a contract with him. They're still trying to get the money back. They

• 1:11:27Speaker 06

  This is horrible.

• 1:11:29Laci Mosley?

  And between March 19th and April 27th, the health department cut 77 checks for a million or more for medical supplies for a total nearing like 735 million dollars. That's what state records show that they've spent. So what's 69 million to a guy who got ventilators?

• 1:11:43Speaker 06

  This is the problem. But also just ask to see a photo. Like ask to see a video. Why? Why did you?

• 1:11:53Laci Mosley?

  Donald Trump comments on Twitter like?

• 1:11:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, Pixar didn't happen. Like, why? Why? Why? Lacey, I guess my question for this entire episode is why?

• 1:12:04Laci Mosley?

  Why not is the answer?

• 1:12:07Speaker 06

  We are in the darkest timeline. Why not?

• 1:12:10Laci Mosley?

  Right. Why not scam? So I'm very fascinated to see if he's gonna get, that they're gonna get their money back from him. Because basically, the deal was for, you know, around 5,700 ventilators, actually. Well, according to a report by the Albany Times Union, which is a different news outlet than reported before on this. And they said the contract with Oran Pine stands out even among the motley array of vendors that stuck deals with New York over the past few months. Because like, New York paid for N95 masks. They were paying roughly $12 a mask when those masks usually would go for like $125 and that kind of bulk purchasing. So everybody's kind of been jacking up the price.

• 1:12:49Speaker 06

  This is the fucking problem with capitalism too. And, and in America, we've made health a business. So the fact that people's idea would be like, oh, my God, people need masks. Let's jack up the price is so coldly capitalist to be like, now's the time to benefit is like, I, oh, it makes me so mad.

• 1:13:08Laci Mosley?

  Right. And we normally have laws against this. So it's shocking to me that New York has been just paying these people out. Like when the stuff happened, when the levees broke, you couldn't raise the price on generators. That was illegal, stuff like that. So it's crazy that they're just like, no, we'll pay it. Okay, guy from Twitter, 69 mil?

• 1:13:25Speaker 06

  They're desperate. They're 10 on the Despo meter.

• 1:13:27Laci Mosley?

  Right. Because it's such a condensed city. Like, everyone's living on top of each other. There's no place worse to have a pandemic than New York City. But yeah, so Oran Pines, I don't approve of this scam. This is terrible, what you're doing. It is, however hilarious, that you made a comment on the president's tweet and then got?

• 1:13:45Speaker 06

  This is Trump's fault. This is Trump's fault, for sure.

• 1:13:48Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely. Who else is? This is crazy. Like, imagine your president getting on Twitter like, hey, who got the mask?

• 1:13:56Speaker 06

  Well, he just like retweeted someone the other day who then was like, I'm, I'm not pro-Trump. And then just went on to tweet a bunch of anti-Trump shit, even though Trump had just retweeted that person. And it was like, I can't. Like, why?

• 1:14:11Laci Mosley?

  He's retweeted stuff that's making fun of him. He's retweeting memes and videos from Independence Day with his face dubbed on top. This shit is crazy. It's crazy.

• 1:14:22Speaker 06

  Please give me and Lacey 69 million dollars. The funniest amount of money you could possibly give someone.

• 1:14:30Laci Mosley?

  Sex, you know?

• 1:14:31Speaker 06

  Oh, wow.

• 1:14:33Laci Mosley?

  I appreciate, I appreciate this, this charlatan. But all right, guys, we've reached the end. And Gabby, where, where do you want to be found? That's what we always ask people.

• 1:14:43Speaker 06

  I'm on Instagram at Gabby Road, which is a Beatles reference that is very dumb. And I didn't understand branding. So I have Gabby Road on Instagram and Gabby Dunn on Twitter. It's G A B Y for both. And then I have, I had, I have four books that I've written. We talked about two of them, and then Bad With Money. And then I also wrote a comic book, which came out last year called Bury the Lead, which you can also, you can get wherever you get regular books. But it's a graphic novel. So that's the most recent one.

• 1:15:15Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Come on, book. Come on, author. I told you, she's out here writing the books for the girls. I love it. Pick, pick those books up, guys. They won't cost you 69 million.

• 1:15:26Speaker 06

  But if you want to cash out me that, I will accept it.

• 1:15:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, if you want to cash out us 69 million dollars, we will take it. As always, guys, if you want to snitch on your friends and family, [email protected]. Just make sure your scam's retired. You can find us at scamgoddesspod on all platforms. And you can find me at D I V A L A C I diva Lacey on all platforms, if you want to look at my nonsense. All right, congregation, keep scam.

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