F.R.A.U.D. is Dope the Jonathan Dupiton Con with Langston Kerman

Jonathan Dupiton reminds us that just because a man has a podcast doesn't mean he knows what the hell he's talking about. Dupiton preached FRAUD (Finally Rich After Unstoppable Determination). His unstoppable determination was really just stealing from the unemployed during the pandemic. Stand-up comedian and host of the My Momma Told Me podcast, Langston Kerman, joins Laci to break down the AI ads, beach ab shots, and shoddy merch Dupiton released for Dupiton's podcast "Rich and Unemployed." We're on YouTube! Watch us at https://www.youtube.com/@ScamGoddess. https://www.youtube.com/@ScamGoddess See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:45Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. One thing's for sure, we will never laugh at the victims, but we usually will laugh at them. And if you've listened to this podcast and for the first time you are seeing this podcast, welcome. Maybe this is the second or third. Welcome, hello. One thing I always know for sure is I'm very what? Yes, excited, thrilled, elated.

• 3:13Speaker 06

  I didn't know what the answer was, yeah.

• 3:15Laci Mosley?

  You didn't know what the answer was, Langston? This is not your first time on the show.

• 3:18Speaker 06

  No, but you know, I don't memorize your script.

• 3:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Lord, you know what?

• 3:21Speaker 06

  I had to memorize my whole script. You didn't even send me one, I had to write it myself.

• 3:26Laci Mosley?

  Okay, you ain't have to air me out like that. Okay, damn, damn. You know what? I think y'all were too busy talking to Terrence Howard, so don't play me.

• 3:32Speaker 06

  We, oh, we gotta get that man in the studio. We gotta talk to him in person.

• 3:37Laci Mosley?

  You really do, and y'all realize y'all are cousins, okay? Then we reboot Empire.

• 3:40Speaker 06

  That'd be nice if Terrence and I really like form a brotherhood because he's like, oh, look at you. I say, my son has light eyes too, and then he goes, okay. Respect, brother.

• 3:50Laci Mosley?

  I love, yes, cousin. And so if you've been listening so far, you probably already recognize this voice then. This is the actor, stand-up comedian Langston Kerman, who's best known for his appearances on series like Insecure, Abbott Elementary, South Side, Bust Down. Listen, if it's black and it's funny, Langston Kerman is on it. You can watch his stand-up special, Bad Poetry, on Netflix and listen to his podcast, My Momma Told Me, wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, Langston, welcome back.

• 4:16Speaker 06

  What a phenomenal introduction. So nice, so warm.

• 4:20Laci Mosley?

  And the edit, it will be phenomenal.

• 4:21Speaker 06

  No, it was great. Don't edit the thing. I want it in there, I want every bit of it. That was great.

• 4:26Laci Mosley?

  You want the BTS?

• 4:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:27Laci Mosley?

  I actually hate BTS.

• 4:29Speaker 06

  Do you?

• 4:29Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 4:30Speaker 06

  Like, even, like, okay, Game of Thrones episode ends, they're telling you how they came up with that story.

• 4:38Laci Mosley?

  That's how I started hating it.

• 4:39Speaker 06

  Whoa.

• 4:40Laci Mosley?

  Were they the two Davises, the two Marks, the two Matthews?

• 4:42Speaker 06

  You didn't care for the, to the boys, for the boys.

• 4:45Laci Mosley?

  I'm proud of them, you know, good for y'all. But do I need to see y'all in the director's chairs telling me the process and doing lots of hand stuff? I don't think I need to look at that. I just want to enjoy the show and then move on. But I remember that there's other people who are curious or maybe want to get into film in that way, so.

• 5:00Speaker 06

  I really love when a Thrones episode ends and you find out which one of them actors is more British than they're pretending to be.

• 5:10Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes.

• 5:11Speaker 06

  You know what I mean? That accent changes and you're like, damn, you talk like that? That's different than how you've been talking as a king or queen or whatever the fuck.

• 5:19Laci Mosley?

  Right, I'll never forget the first time, this really felt like a scam because I always knew just Elba as a kid from my parents watching The Wire. And I'll never forget seeing him in a Stella Atois commercial and he's like, Stella Atois! Drink it up in your mouth! And I was like, the fuck?

• 5:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, why you talking like that?

• 5:34Laci Mosley?

  Pickpocket!

• 5:35Speaker 06

  Cut it out.

• 5:37Speaker 06

  Cut it out. You talk, you're talking like a chimney sweep. I don't like that.

• 5:41Laci Mosley?

  I don't like that.

• 5:41Speaker 06

  Talk to me, talk to me like a killer in Baltimore.

• 5:45Laci Mosley?

  Because I feel like you pickpocketed me, you robbed me.

• 5:47Speaker 06

  You talk to me like a drug salesman, sir.

• 5:50Laci Mosley?

  Right, like, we know you, okay? Well, I want to start this episode off with listener letters.

• 5:57Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 5:58Laci Mosley?

  Because the listener letter section is back. I told y'all, please, email [email protected].

• 6:03Speaker 06

  Email!

• 6:04Laci Mosley?

  Snitch on your friends, your family, your loved ones, your enemies. Tell us all the scams that you've been through, you've seen, as long as it's past the statute of limitations because we don't want to what? Ode to congregation? Yes, fuck up your bag.

• 6:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, we're sick of you keeping secrets here at Scam Goddess. Tell everything you know.

• 6:20Laci Mosley?

  No, I want you to gatekeep until the scam is over and then you can tell us about it.

• 6:25Speaker 06

  When it's not hot no more, then you show up with your information.

• 6:28Laci Mosley?

  When it's off the streets, when you got your bag, then you can like let the public know.

• 6:31Speaker 06

  Respect.

• 6:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we don't want to ruin it.

• 6:33Speaker 06

  I myself, I prefer you tell us immediately.

• 6:36Laci Mosley?

  While it's going on?

• 6:38Speaker 06

  I say us, I'm a part of this now.

• 6:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes, you are. You very much are.

• 6:42Speaker 06

  I've weaseled my way into this institution very quickly. Uh, no, please, the letter.

• 6:47Laci Mosley?

  So, Langston, what I need from you is a name for this person. We don't care about gender, so it could literally be anything.

• 6:54Speaker 06

  Uh, we were talking about him earlier. It naturally comes to mind, Tyrese.

• 6:58Laci Mosley?

  Tyrese.

• 7:01Laci Mosley?

  Or as I know him, Cryreese.

• 7:02Speaker 06

  Cryreese, okay, fair enough.

• 7:04Laci Mosley?

  I'm so happy for you.

• 7:07Laci Mosley?

  He's so unintentionally funny and that's what I really love about him.

• 7:10Speaker 06

  I can't tell if he's being unintentional or not. I am so taken with Tyrese, I think he's maybe one of...

• 7:16Laci Mosley?

  You think he's in on the bit?

• 7:17Speaker 06

  I think that there, we are, we are every once in a, in a generation blessed with an individual who is so much of a masterful gamesman that they're able to be both.

• 7:29Laci Mosley?

  You're calling Tyrese a masterful gamesman?

• 7:32Speaker 06

  I don't know a funnier person on earth.

• 7:36Speaker 06

  And I do this professionally. I'm not even close to how funny Tyrese is. The brother sung the National Anthem in a fake weird and a fake, a fake beard and a fake wig for no reason.

• 7:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 7:49Speaker 06

  He didn't have to do that. And he never explained it to us. I don't have that confidence. I came here dressed normal.

• 7:58Laci Mosley?

  We need to bring back that kind of confidence. You know where that comes from? Being a celebrity in the early 2000s. Because Tyra Banks has the same shit. And that's why I couldn't get that mad at Tyra when I was doing her episode and learning about all the scams she was running because I was like, we let her do this.

• 8:11Speaker 06

  She was, she was 18. We said, take your clothes off, we like the way you look naked. So, so of course she learned to scam her way up to, you know, billions of dollars.

• 8:22Laci Mosley?

  And I love that for her, truly. And I brought that up because like you said, the beard and the National Anthem, you know, recently when she was selling her hot ice cream, she was on tour in Australia, just like popping up at gay clubs as Santa Smyes in a yellow Santa costume.

• 8:36Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 8:36Laci Mosley?

  Doing jokes, very sweattily.

• 8:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:39Laci Mosley?

  And at one point we were like, do we need to check on her? And then we were like, oh my God, we forgot, she's Tyra.

• 8:43Speaker 06

  She's sick.

• 8:44Laci Mosley?

  This is what she does.

• 8:45Speaker 06

  She's been sick this whole time.

• 8:48Laci Mosley?

  And it's our fault, because we just said, keep going.

• 8:50Speaker 06

  Tyrese's been sick since some Coca-Cola commercials. We gotta, we gotta let my boy thrive. I think he's one of the best. Shout out to Tyrese. I hope he comes in this podcast.

• 8:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I would love that. So, the name Tyrese is what we're gonna work with here. So, I called this bank bestie when I read this letter, and you'll see why soon. So, Tyrese says, scam goddess, guess that would be you, Langston. And fellow congregation, not you addressing the church like this is the morning minutes. Oh, and oh, she didn't say she/her. Normally I say gender, doesn't matter, but she just said she/her. So, we'll call you Tyrese.

• 9:21Speaker 06

  This is girl Tyrese.

• 9:22Laci Mosley?

  Girl Tyrese. You're girl Tyrese.

• 9:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:24Laci Mosley?

  We're leaving Tyrese, you're girl Tyrese. So, girl Tyrese says, I was recently recounting a scam-adjacent experience I had, and I thought I would share it, because it seems just like scandalous enough to share. I used to work at a bank, and there was a lady who started coming in, and we bonded pretty easily, and she started coming to me exclusively.

• 9:43Speaker 06

  Oh, so she's a teller at this bank. This person is actively being like, I'll wait for girl Tyrese.

• 9:50Laci Mosley?

  For girl Tyrese.

• 9:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 9:52Laci Mosley?

  That's where I do my banking. That's the only, my checking and my savings.

• 9:54Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 9:55Laci Mosley?

  Girl Tyrese.

• 9:55Speaker 06

  Y'all are either friends, or she's running a game and sees you as a mark.

• 10:00Laci Mosley?

  At first, I thought, you know what? There are a lot of people who frequent the bank, because if you have a business, and like, let's say you got like a laundromat, where you laundry your money, boss all coins. You know, you gotta bring your coins or whatever to the bank, right?

• 10:10Speaker 06

  I hate doing check on phone.

• 10:12Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 10:13Speaker 06

  It's annoying, that I, there's like eight steps to doing check on phone. I just wanna hand it to a person, and you do check.

• 10:20Laci Mosley?

  And move on.

• 10:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 10:22Laci Mosley?

  Like, I hate that there's an app for everything. I don't need an app for everything. I gotta download something to do everything?

• 10:27Speaker 06

  And imagine, you have a girl Tyrese at your bank, and you go, hey, I recognize girl Tyrese. I'm familiar with girl Tyrese. I like how quickly girl Tyrese does my business. I'm gonna go to the girl Tyrese.

• 10:39Laci Mosley?

  Girl Tyrese know that positives at this point, she probably know your pain.

• 10:42Speaker 06

  She, she got it.

• 10:43Laci Mosley?

  She locked in.

• 10:43Speaker 06

  You ain't gotta put that in.

• 10:44Laci Mosley?

  So, I was thinking like, okay, maybe building a relationship like that. But then I thought about every transactional relationship where I have a familiarity, and then I realized there's always something in return for the customer. So like, if you're a regular at a restaurant, they might start giving you freebies, or special tables, or whatever. Like, think about everywhere that you recognize someone. Like, I had a girl at the DMV, a lady at the DMV, because it took me like, two years to get my car registered, when I first moved to LA.

• 11:09Speaker 06

  You're going to the DMV too much, if you have built up personal relationships with DMV folks. And that's no shade at the DMV, thank you for your service. That said, you gotta chill on your DMV trips.

• 11:22Laci Mosley?

  I know, Ms. Patricia was cool as fuck, though. But every time I came in, I almost had all the paperwork I needed. And she was like, baby, you missing this one. I need this slip right here, and did you go get the car weighed?

• 11:31Speaker 06

  This is, this is multiple attempts, multiple failures, that then makes you build this relationship with Ms. Patricia, if I'm understanding.

• 11:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so I would only go to her. And by the time I finally got my car registered, I came in with everything. Like, I was really ready this time, I was locked in, because I got pulled over and they impounded it.

• 11:46Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 11:47Laci Mosley?

  So, I was like, I really gotta lock in.

• 11:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you needed Ms. Patricia bad.

• 11:50Laci Mosley?

  And so, when I came in with everything ready, I was looking for Ms. Patricia, and I asked at the desk, and they were like, oh, she retired. And I was like, I have been going to her for so long, if this lady retired. That's crazy.

• 12:00Speaker 06

  That sucks.

• 12:01Laci Mosley?

  But I needed something from her.

• 12:04Laci Mosley?

  I needed something from her, though.

• 12:05Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 12:06Laci Mosley?

  So, I understand that, but I'm like, I'm a little suspicious. Because I'm like, why you need a relationship with somebody at the bank?

• 12:10Speaker 06

  It's, it's trouble.

• 12:12Laci Mosley?

  Girl Tyrese says she came in like, you know, every week, basically, and would bring in a couple thousand in cash to deposit, which is perfectly fine, which it should be, it's the bank, girl Tyrese.

• 12:21Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:21Laci Mosley?

  We would chat about her kids and her day, nothing too far beyond like, really basic small talk. She didn't tell me much about her life, but from our conversations, I gathered that they immigrated to the US from Cameroon quite some time earlier, and that her husband was very, very sick, and she came in with power of attorney for him, and all these documents.

• 12:42Speaker 06

  That's where I go, uh-oh. Once, once the language of power of attorney is happening with the teller at your bank.

• 12:49Laci Mosley?

  And she, girl Tyrese said this is small talk.

• 12:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is small talk.

• 12:52Laci Mosley?

  Is it?

• 12:53Speaker 06

  You're depositing cash. How are we getting to power of attorney from cash transactions? That feels...

• 13:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's, that's bigger talk, girl Tyrese. And so, she, they were doing all this stuff, and the lady was telling girl Tyrese that, once these documents were squared away with legal, you know, she could become acting on his behalf. Like, she was power of attorney. So, she was saying, like, girl Tyrese is like, this is all above board. You know, we're just chatting. So, girl Tyrese says she came in one day lamenting that another institution had closed their business account, which is why they had been operating with cash until they could get a new one.

• 13:28Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 13:29Laci Mosley?

  Now, girl Tyrese, why is this lady volunteering so much information?

• 13:33Speaker 06

  It's a lot of information. But, what a, what a beautiful, long game she's playing, because she said, I'll start with my kids.

• 13:40Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 13:40Speaker 06

  I'll tell you a little bit about Cameroon.

• 13:42Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:43Speaker 06

  And then, you're gonna find out about my sick husband.

• 13:45Laci Mosley?

  Very, very sick.

• 13:46Speaker 06

  And some complicated paperwork that we're waiting on. And now, all of a sudden, businesses are closing, situations have changed. Girl Tyrese, I bet this is what's coming, girl Tyrese. I'm gonna need your help with something.

• 13:59Laci Mosley?

  Okay, let's see, let's see. So, girl Tyrese said, I let her know that we could move that account over. So, she, so the lady was telling her, oh, we can only do cash now, so we need to like, figure out this cash situation. Girl Tyrese was like, bring that account over to Wells Fargo, or whatever bank she work at. Because start banking with us.

• 14:19Speaker 06

  Tyrese International.

• 14:23Laci Mosley?

  And so, girl Tyrese said, as long as she could bring, like, she told her, as long as she could bring the required documents, she said that she would gather them. And, girl Tyrese told her that she would get the process started, and you know, work with the state, and do all of the stuff. Then, girl Tyrese realized. She says, I discovered that her husband was not sick at all.

• 14:43Speaker 06

  Uh-oh.

• 14:44Laci Mosley?

  He was in federal custody on terrorism charges.

• 14:48Speaker 06

  Whoa. Damn.

• 14:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and girl Tyrese put a link in here. I'm not gonna share that, because she asked to remain anonymous, and it will tell you, maybe too much, we might be able to find the branch.

• 15:01Speaker 06

  Whoa, so she just did some basic Googling?

• 15:07Speaker 06

  That's phenomenal. To go from being like, I have no information about you, you just telling me things here and there.

• 15:14Laci Mosley?

  So, I know everything about you.

• 15:15Speaker 06

  All I had to do was Google your husband's name, and know that he is fully in federal prison.

• 15:22Laci Mosley?

  So, girl Tyrese said, all the stuff that she learned during the search led to, and I'm paraphrasing girl Tyrese, because we gotta move on. I love your language here, your diction, and this is great grammar. You know, this is rare. This isn't written by ChatGTP, I don't see it, M-dash nowhere in this bitch.

• 15:35Speaker 06

  And that's not the order of those letters, but yes, absolutely.

• 15:42Laci Mosley?

  Y'all said them real fast.

• 15:43Speaker 06

  GTP, PTP.

• 15:45Laci Mosley?

  You know, Chat, Chat, Chat, Chat. Chatting them, you know Chat.

• 15:49Speaker 06

  You know Chat.

• 15:50Laci Mosley?

  You know who I'm talking about, okay, I call him what a mama called him.

• 15:54Laci Mosley?

  Basically, girl Tyrese found out that this lady was coming in and depositing cash, and portions of the cash that she was depositing from her business were the solicited funds being used to fund violence in their home country.

• 16:06Speaker 06

  Whoa. They're supporting a coup.

• 16:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 16:11Speaker 06

  Oh, wow.

• 16:12Laci Mosley?

  Girl Tyrese was...

• 16:15Speaker 06

  They're militarizing a community.

• 16:18Laci Mosley?

  Girl Tyrese was not trying to get involved in like, a Rwandan-esque conflict.

• 16:21Speaker 06

  That, and that's fair. That's a fair reason to say, hey, I respectfully bow out of doing business with you.

• 16:28Laci Mosley?

  And girl Tyrese said that she knew people who were Cameroonian, who told her about the civil unrest.

• 16:33Speaker 06

  Whoa.

• 16:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so she was like, damn, I was like, over here passive.

• 16:37Speaker 06

  You're, you're doing small talk with a literal like...

• 16:40Laci Mosley?

  War criminal.

• 16:41Speaker 06

  Wow, that's cool. How often do you get to meet a war criminal, you know?

• 16:46Laci Mosley?

  That's true. Probably more often than we think.

• 16:48Speaker 06

  I, politicians.

• 16:50Laci Mosley?

  Politicians. If you go to tech conferences.

• 16:53Speaker 06

  Sure. I think if they're high enough in any corporation, they are in some version a war criminal.

• 17:02Laci Mosley?

  So, we've all met them, we have Thanksgiving with them.

• 17:04Speaker 06

  You don't meet that many CEOs, though. Not in a meaningful way. You'll, you'll shake their hand in, in a greeting line, but never, you don't get to just hang out that often.

• 17:14Laci Mosley?

  We used to not know their faces, and then everybody got so thirsty for attention, until allegedly Luigi Mangione changed all of that. And they're like, you know, we should be anonymous again. Why are our faces on these websites?

• 17:24Speaker 06

  I actually don't want my face on the website, if that's cool.

• 17:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Conference, no. Now they're doing it like they're on a Dateline episode, where they go to their tech conferences with like, a black screen and a changed voice.

• 17:35Speaker 06

  Now they like burkas. They're like, actually, I think I'd wear one of those.

• 17:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they're not impressive at all. What are we saying? That was fucked up of us. Which it was, it was fucked up of them to say. But, so, when all this came to light, wrapping this up, girl Tyrese said that, I immediately sent everything to our compliance department and told my manager. She was like, I am out. I was told not to speak with her anymore, which she said is easy, and to let my manager handle everything moving forward. I'm confident this was to protect me, but it still broke my heart. She was so nice to me, introduced me to her two adorable kids, and sweet mother. And her mother?

• 18:08Speaker 06

  Her mom came.

• 18:10Laci Mosley?

  The whole family, Girl Tyrese?

• 18:11Speaker 06

  Damn, they drop off cash. They all had little, little bundles of cash that they wanted to hand in.

• 18:18Laci Mosley?

  You know what's also bugging me about this?

• 18:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 18:20Laci Mosley?

  Girl Tyrese put in all the paperwork, right? She told the bank, she did the protocol. And the bank was like, we'll handle this. You never speak to her again.

• 18:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:27Laci Mosley?

  If you see her, just put, send her to aisle.

• 18:32Laci Mosley?

  Send her to tell her number six. So we'll handle her. Like, they're like, we're gonna keep taking her money.

• 18:37Speaker 06

  That's the crazy part, is like, not only are they gonna keep taking the money, but also this, this false premise of like, she's the bad guy and we know who the good guy. We don't know why they're funding or what they're funding over there in Cameroon. So, so who is Girl Tyrese or this manager at the bank to decide what serving justice is?

• 19:01Laci Mosley?

  They don't care.

• 19:02Speaker 06

  They don't care.

• 19:03Laci Mosley?

  Like, they know when criminals are coming in, they know.

• 19:06Speaker 06

  That, that bank is supporting a different war and therefore, I don't know.

• 19:11Laci Mosley?

  That bank is minding bank business. They said, this is our business, we take our coins and we, and don't tell us nothing else, okay?

• 19:16Speaker 06

  Let that Cameroonian, uh, is that how you say that?

• 19:19Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it is.

• 19:20Speaker 06

  Okay, great.

• 19:20Laci Mosley?

  It is, you did great.

• 19:21Speaker 06

  I took a big swing. Let that person live and their children and fake sick husbands.

• 19:28Laci Mosley?

  So, at the end, wrapping it up, Girl Tyrese says that, this lady was very smart about how she worked with me and I never questioned her for a second. It was only when I tried to do something helpful for her that I discovered the truth. It's been years, but I'm still mad that I fell for it. Anyway, that's all I have, love the show, thank you for everything you do. Oh, thank you, Girl Tyrese, I appreciate for you, like, I appreciate you writing in. And also, now this leads me to a question, Langston.

• 19:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 19:51Laci Mosley?

  You have children.

• 19:52Speaker 06

  I have two of them, yeah.

• 19:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Do you think like you should do like at least one child scam bonding activity with your kids? Like everyone should?

• 20:00Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 20:01Laci Mosley?

  Cause I feel like the kids are somehow a part of this. Like, she kept bringing them to the bank, introducing them to Girl Tyrese, like, disarming her.

• 20:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, there's no, there's no better way to make people be nice to you than to show up with kids.

• 20:12Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 20:13Speaker 06

  Uh, unless it's a place where they didn't want kids, but, but for the most part, if you show up with kids and they're cute, then people are pretty reasonable with you. So yeah, that's smart on this Cameroonian person's part. I think that your kids at least need to be like, aware of, of the, the potential for illegitimate choices. Do you know what I mean? That like, you need to be able to know that like scams can and could, should be run at certain times.

• 20:44Laci Mosley?

  Right, when the opportunity.

• 20:46Speaker 06

  Even if it's small, even if it's just like, hey, you know you're six right now.

• 20:50Laci Mosley?

  Right, at the movies, you're not like, but daddy, I'm not, no.

• 20:53Speaker 06

  When we get there, you're six.

• 20:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 20:56Speaker 06

  And that's something you're gonna have to say for us to be able to get what we need from this experience. Are you capable of doing that? And they go, yes, I am. And they don't falter. That's, that's the type of, uh, I hope, relationship to form with my children.

• 21:11Laci Mosley?

  I think that's beautiful, that's how they earn their keep.

• 21:13Speaker 06

  That, I, you said it, I didn't have such beautiful words. But yes, I agree with you fully.

• 21:20Laci Mosley?

  I do, and, um, one of my best friends, JoJo, she used to work, this is years and years ago, she worked in retail and, um, in Jersey. And there were these crime rings that would come into the store, and you know, they have like no chase policies. They would come in with their baby strollers and, and people would think it was a baby up in there. Maybe it was.

• 21:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:39Laci Mosley?

  But they would, they would walk past tables and just sweep merchandise into the baby strollers.

• 21:44Speaker 06

  Okay, I hope there wasn't a baby in there then.

• 21:46Laci Mosley?

  The baby gotta scoot over. The baby gotta scoot over because we're working right now.

• 21:49Speaker 06

  I don't want Beats pills falling on a baby's head.

• 21:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh damn.

• 21:53Speaker 06

  Cause they're sweeping fast and stealing.

• 21:56Laci Mosley?

  Baby gotta learn to duck and dodge.

• 21:57Speaker 06

  That's fair.

• 21:58Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 21:58Speaker 06

  Earn your keep, baby.

• 21:59Laci Mosley?

  Earn your keep, baby.

• 22:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so I'm like, I like to see unemployed child, but. Scams!

• 22:09Speaker 00

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• 22:19Speaker 07

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• 22:21Speaker 02

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• 22:23Speaker 01

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• 22:25Speaker 02

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• 22:32Speaker 01

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• 24:03Laci Mosley?

  Con! Now it's time to get into my favorite segment of this podcast, Historic Hoodwinkings. This is where I regale Langston with the famous con caper group of criminals. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them, we'll see along the way. But one thing's for sure, we probably will laugh at them. And today we're talking about Jonathan Dupont. Okay, or Jonathan Dupton is as it reads for me. Who hosts the podcast Rich and Unemployed and uses the motto, fraud is dope. He has been sentenced to seven years in prison for a $3 million fraud. In honor of my mama told me, I wanted to give you a, a black podcaster with very specific philosophies that I think you might enjoy.

• 24:41Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 24:42Laci Mosley?

  This is Jonathan Dupetone.

• 24:45Speaker 06

  Dupiton.

• 24:46Laci Mosley?

  Now it's spelled Dupiton to me.

• 24:50Speaker 06

  Dupiton.

• 24:51Laci Mosley?

  That's, I feel like it's Dupiton around the way.

• 24:53Speaker 06

  This, you feel like nobody is giving him the full French, uh, influence that is living under that, that name.

• 25:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, absolutely. Dupiton?

• 25:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:02Laci Mosley?

  Dupiton? He don't look like a honk honk wee wee.

• 25:05Speaker 06

  No, no, no, he's trying with that hat.

• 25:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, why he got that beret on? That's how I know it's not Dupiton.

• 25:09Speaker 06

  He's really, he's wanting to sell it with his beret, but no, I, I hear you.

• 25:14Laci Mosley?

  So he hosts a podcast called Rich and Unemployed.

• 25:18Speaker 06

  Okay, I like that.

• 25:19Laci Mosley?

  Amen.

• 25:21Speaker 06

  Hey, I'm, I'm trying to listen.

• 25:23Laci Mosley?

  That's all I want.

• 25:26Laci Mosley?

  So he uses his mo, his motto, fraud, in all caps. This is the motto, fraud is dope. Um, and now he's been sentenced to seven years in prison for $300 million worth of fraud.

• 25:39Speaker 06

  Whoa, it was in the title, fraud is dope.

• 25:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 25:43Speaker 06

  And now.

• 25:44Laci Mosley?

  Well, that was his mantra. Is that fraud in all caps, cause as you're gonna see in a moment, it's an acronym fraud for him. He was saying it's dope.

• 25:52Speaker 06

  This is, this is.

• 25:53Laci Mosley?

  You gotta be up here, open your third.

• 25:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wake up brothers and sisters, fraud is dope. Fraud is not what you think it is, but it also is. I got you.

• 26:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you, you with me?

• 26:06Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 26:07Laci Mosley?

  So let's just get a little bit of his backstory before we get into his crimes. So Dupiton was born in New Jersey to Haitian parents. Oh, no, he's Haitian, I see.

• 26:17Speaker 06

  I'm not, I'm not gonna react to that, but.

• 26:19Laci Mosley?

  I am. And everybody knows why.

• 26:23Speaker 06

  I've gotten in enough trouble with the Haitian community.

• 26:26Laci Mosley?

  What have you been doing to them? Sac passe! Paul, what you been doing?

• 26:30Speaker 06

  Burned bridges left and right.

• 26:35Speaker 06

  That said, this is a sneaky looking motherfucker, that's very.

• 26:38Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I'm sorry, as someone who has dated Haitians, like, y'all understand if you've ever dated, well, you know exactly what I'm talking about, okay?

• 26:44Speaker 06

  When I taught high school, it was to a primarily, uh, Haitian group of kids. It was like a Caribbean community in Boston.

• 26:52Laci Mosley?

  And you was blending in with the, with the Caribbean people?

• 26:54Speaker 06

  I, I was trying my best, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 26:56Laci Mosley?

  He was over there like, wah, wah.

• 26:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, a lot of Scotch bonnet for lunch. We were doing what we could.

• 27:01Laci Mosley?

  Okay, sawfish and aki, okay.

• 27:03Speaker 06

  You put it on top and, and you go, hey, pretty good. Hey, maybe, maybe we're not so different, you and I. Maybe that's enough for you to do the homework.

• 27:13Laci Mosley?

  You were solving the diaspora?

• 27:15Speaker 06

  You use the diaspora wars to, um, intervene into, um, hey, did you finish that essay? Do you know what I mean? We're, we're, all of it is, is guiding towards the hand of, give, give me the shit I need.

• 27:28Laci Mosley?

  Right, so this was your scam, you were just getting involved with the culture.

• 27:32Speaker 06

  I'll learn about you, maybe you could learn about the Odyssey.

• 27:35Laci Mosley?

  And then tell me.

• 27:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe this is a little bit like some of the people you know from your history books, right?

• 27:42Laci Mosley?

  I love you trying to be like.

• 27:43Speaker 06

  It's, it's, it's when white people turn the chair around and tell you Shakespeare and Biggie Smalls, they're actually not that different.

• 27:49Laci Mosley?

  Damn.

• 27:49Speaker 06

  You know what I mean, maybe, yeah.

• 27:51Laci Mosley?

  And that actually saved me from teen pregnancy.

• 27:53Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 27:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, a white lady turned her chair around.

• 27:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:56Laci Mosley?

  I was like, damn.

• 27:59Speaker 06

  You know, Tupac has a poetry book as well. Okay, now I'm listening.

• 28:03Laci Mosley?

  Now you dropping bars. So he had Haitian parents, right? And they were born, he was born in New Jersey. He was raised in the scam capital of the US and it might be the world. You wanna guess which city?

• 28:16Speaker 06

  Um, I'm, I'm gonna say. If we're saying scam capital, Atlanta.

• 28:20Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely. Amen, you know, you know the vibes, you know the vibes, and so do they.

• 28:24Speaker 06

  It's, it's Atlanta.

• 28:25Laci Mosley?

  So in interviews, he describes his life as a story of early struggle. Turn success. Where have we heard that before? Never heard the rags to riches.

• 28:35Speaker 06

  No, that's a first.

• 28:36Laci Mosley?

  That's a first.

• 28:36Speaker 06

  Nobody's ever done that.

• 28:37Laci Mosley?

  I really want somebody who's rich to come out and just be like, I was born rich and I got richer.

• 28:45Laci Mosley?

  Nothing was hard.

• 28:46Speaker 06

  I came out my mama's pussy with a ladder and it kept going up, up, up.

• 28:53Speaker 06

  You should see how high my ladder is.

• 28:55Laci Mosley?

  Right. I laugh at you, Poros, when you talk about started on third base. Baby, I started in the box.

• 29:00Speaker 06

  Third base?

• 29:01Laci Mosley?

  I was the owner.

• 29:02Speaker 06

  You're running? That's embarrassing.

• 29:05Laci Mosley?

  That's so ghetto.

• 29:08Laci Mosley?

  I was a team owner.

• 29:08Speaker 06

  They made you swing? They just let me do, they let me do the bases at the end.

• 29:12Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 29:13Speaker 06

  Cause I'm in charge.

• 29:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So, he said he turned it into success. He's spoken about getting into trouble at a young age and used that narrative as fuel for his come up message.

• 29:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:26Laci Mosley?

  So, before podcasting, he worked as a photographer, eventually pivoting into content creation. By 2022, his Rich and Unemployed platform started to get traction with unfiltered conversations about money, relationships, and success outside of traditional paths.

• 29:46Speaker 06

  That's dope because he really, he hit every-

• 29:49Laci Mosley?

  Don't put them hands on the table like that.

• 29:50Speaker 06

  No, no, no, because I respect him so much. He, he really hit every pocket of, of sort of like the transition of presenting like I have a skillset without having a skillset. You started photography, that's an easy entry point, you get a DSLR camera.

• 30:08Laci Mosley?

  And then you just click, click, click, click, click.

• 30:11Speaker 06

  You know how to take decent enough photos and you have a cool enough vibe that people start hiring you for events, start sort of like letting you do-

• 30:18Laci Mosley?

  And the average person doesn't know what a good photo looks like.

• 30:21Speaker 06

  You could take some pictures of bad bitches, call them headshots, it's all, ah, I see the vision. Now you're content creating. That broadens the title. Now, I don't just do photography, I do all kinds of other shit.

• 30:32Laci Mosley?

  Cause what is content creation?

• 30:34Speaker 06

  I don't know, I'm still trying to figure that out.

• 30:35Laci Mosley?

  I think we are contents of God's creation, so technically-

• 30:38Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 30:39Laci Mosley?

  We all wake up, like, wake up, wake up and walk with you.

• 30:41Speaker 06

  I didn't know you were gonna bring the Lord into this, but I agree with you. 100% I agree with you. I, I think he's, the finesse is, is powerful, it is fast, I love it.

• 30:52Laci Mosley?

  So, his brand really leaned heavily into finesse culture. The flashy, high-risk mindset promotes getting ahead by any means necessary.

• 31:02Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 31:03Laci Mosley?

  So, win, or like die.

• 31:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 31:08Speaker 06

  No, it's, it's, it is, uh, language we've gotten used to because of a few psychopaths.

• 31:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Diddy being one of them. Remember when Diddy was on that camp, vote or die?

• 31:20Speaker 06

  Like these-

• 31:20Laci Mosley?

  Which is real, because we are dying now, because people weren't voting.

• 31:23Speaker 06

  But that's what's crazy is like these-

• 31:25Laci Mosley?

  Now we eating booty lettuce because we didn't vote.

• 31:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, because we didn't, we didn't, we didn't listen to Diddy.

• 31:31Laci Mosley?

  We didn't listen to-

• 31:32Speaker 06

  We should have listened to Diddy.

• 31:33Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, no.

• 31:34Speaker 06

  If you've learned anything from Lacey's podcast, and unfortunately, I'm out of this business, uh, if you've learned anything from Lacey's podcast-

• 31:42Laci Mosley?

  This will be cut. This will be cut. You're not gonna get me, trying to set me up, okay? So, on the podcast, he goes by the name Finesse.

• 31:52Speaker 06

  Whoa.

• 31:53Laci Mosley?

  So, that's a signature scammer thing, change your name.

• 31:55Speaker 06

  Yeah. Finesse Mitchell, as far as I know, that, he was born with that.

• 31:59Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 32:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think so.

• 32:01Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if I like naming my baby Finesse, because like, finesse to me-

• 32:06Speaker 06

  I didn't choose that.

• 32:08Speaker 06

  I certainly had the option twice and I didn't go, that will be Finesse.

• 32:11Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's like naming one of our babies Hustle.

• 32:14Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:14Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 32:17Speaker 06

  I'm naming my baby Rubbing His Hands Together.

• 32:19Laci Mosley?

  Birdman Hand Rub. Birdman Hand Rub, get over here.

• 32:23Speaker 06

  This is my, this is my daughter, Birdman Hand Rub, and-

• 32:29Speaker 06

  It's a girl name, obviously. Birdman is a girl name.

• 32:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and that's my son, Mob, Money Over Bitches.

• 32:36Speaker 06

  And this is James.

• 32:38Laci Mosley?

  Right, we couldn't think of any more.

• 32:40Speaker 06

  We got really bored, he wasn't really part of the plan, but of course, James is here.

• 32:44Laci Mosley?

  So, we ran out. So, here's a video clip of him talking about the importance of connecting with nature, where he does pushups on the beach, and he's talking about the importance of sacrificing and eating peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

• 32:57Speaker 06

  Whoa.

• 32:58Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And so, in this clip, he explains how money can't unlame a lame.

• 33:04Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 33:05Laci Mosley?

  Now, I kind of do it with-

• 33:05Speaker 02

  It's so important to be around nature because nature gives you, it revitalizes you.

• 33:13Laci Mosley?

  It does.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  It's a part of you, it's a part of your nature.

• 33:16Laci Mosley?

  Pushups on the ocean and the rocks.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  I don't get enough of it. Living in a city, all the air, all the loud noises.

• 33:25Laci Mosley?

  It sounds pretty loud, too.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  Right here is therapeutic, the sound, the sound of the oceans, smacking against the shore.

• 33:31Speaker 06

  Boob shorts, baby.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  This is how you connect back to yourself. This is how you connect with the universe, by touching.

• 33:38Laci Mosley?

  Okay, you can turn this man's yammering off.

• 33:40Speaker 06

  Nah, that was dope. He's right.

• 33:42Laci Mosley?

  We'll play it off for y'all, I can't take no more. He didn't say a whole lot of nothing.

• 33:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, you gotta connect with nature. You gotta be one with, with your environment, all the city, all that noise, distracting you from being your best self, as evidenced by his pushups on the rocks.

• 33:58Laci Mosley?

  On the rocks, in the ocean, with the waves crashing.

• 34:01Speaker 06

  I've never done that, you done that?

• 34:02Laci Mosley?

  I have not done a waves crashing, ocean beach pushup.

• 34:05Speaker 06

  And that's why you're not in prison.

• 34:08Laci Mosley?

  You're absolutely right. I could be in prison, and would be if I was that motivated.

• 34:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 34:12Laci Mosley?

  I just like that he really wanted to just show off that he was on a beach and that he could do pushups.

• 34:17Speaker 06

  He, he, he wanted us to know a few things fast.

• 34:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 34:21Speaker 06

  That he had money for the beach, that he, uh, that he looked good with his shirt off, and, uh, he had a new chain.

• 34:31Speaker 06

  He said, I got a new little, little chain.

• 34:32Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 34:33Speaker 06

  And I want you to see that, and I want you to see me with my shirt off, and I want you to know I'm hanging out.

• 34:37Laci Mosley?

  Right, this is my shirtless chain, this is just my beach chain, you know what I mean?

• 34:40Speaker 06

  I could wear a bigger chain, I'd choose not to.

• 34:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, right now, this is all my neck needs, because I'm connected with nature.

• 34:45Speaker 06

  I don't want the chain to disrupt my connection to the universe, I'll wear a humble chain.

• 34:50Laci Mosley?

  And I love, I have to bring it back to you explaining the nature, because that is literally what he was doing, but unironically, which makes me think that on his podcast, talking about money, finances, relationships, it's giving like low vibrational, like, who gets the big piece of chicken, $200 date?

• 35:07Speaker 06

  Yup.

• 35:07Laci Mosley?

  Um, or money and finances, if you don't have crypto, why you don't have crypto?

• 35:12Speaker 06

  Here's why my wife ain't allowed to eat till I finish my meal.

• 35:16Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 35:16Speaker 06

  And that's why we have a profitable household. Yeah, no, I, I, yeah, I got you.

• 35:22Laci Mosley?

  And the people are like, I've never heard this before. I love that you can just repackage misogyny. I don't know why I'm doing an educational podcast, I'm honestly about to get out of the game and just start saying bullshit and nonsense.

• 35:32Speaker 06

  We were, we, David Borey, my, my dear co-host with our podcast, we talk about it all the time, that, uh, that, if, if we just, if we cranked it up 40% of just being mean to women, oh my God, the money we could make. The profits we could be seeing if we just, I don't even need 40, if we got 20% more of just being nasty to ladies, man, we could make some money.

• 35:59Laci Mosley?

  And I hate that I have to go the opposite direction. I have to go 40% less of like calling men out on their shit, and 40% more pick me.

• 36:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 36:10Speaker 06

  If you were mean to women, 20% more.

• 36:13Laci Mosley?

  Damn, which is being mean to women. You're right, we all gotta be mean to women.

• 36:16Speaker 06

  We just all gotta be mean to women.

• 36:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I gotta be like, if you weren't chose, why is that?

• 36:20Speaker 06

  Yup.

• 36:21Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean?

• 36:21Speaker 06

  And you are, the unfortunate part with, with being a woman is you are gonna hear a lot more pushback for your behavior than I am for mine.

• 36:28Laci Mosley?

  Which is so unfortunate.

• 36:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, you are really gonna get called some nasty names by the people who, who bet on you, but boy, those, those checks are gonna clear so fast.

• 36:38Laci Mosley?

  They are.

• 36:38Speaker 06

  They're gonna be big.

• 36:39Laci Mosley?

  And when I'm sleeping with all that money, will I really care about the comments?

• 36:42Speaker 06

  I don't think so. Probably not.

• 36:44Laci Mosley?

  Probably not. So, the podcast slogan is, fraud is dope, remember, right?

• 36:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:50Laci Mosley?

  I told you fraud was in all caps.

• 36:52Speaker 06

  I like that.

• 36:52Laci Mosley?

  It's an acronym. So, fraud is the acronym that stands for finally rich after unstoppable determination.

• 37:02Speaker 06

  Whoa, I like that.

• 37:06Laci Mosley?

  Finally rich after unstoppable determination.

• 37:10Speaker 06

  Because that tells you that you gotta keep going.

• 37:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 37:15Speaker 06

  That puts you on the hook.

• 37:17Laci Mosley?

  So, what if they said no?

• 37:19Speaker 06

  You're unstoppable.

• 37:20Laci Mosley?

  Then what, you need to say, put your hands up and empty your pockets.

• 37:24Speaker 06

  Be determined to get what you need.

• 37:26Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 37:27Speaker 06

  At any cost. This language used to exist for civil rights, but now we're using it for running fraud. That's, that's cool.

• 37:36Laci Mosley?

  But isn't fraud a little bit of civil rights for us, okay?

• 37:39Speaker 06

  It's, it's-

• 37:39Laci Mosley?

  As much as the government is doing to us, I feel like it is a little bit of our civil right now to do a, just a little sprinkle, just upward, not to people who need their money, I don't believe in ripping off people like that, but to people who are ripping us off, I'm like, I don't know, we need to do a little fraud.

• 37:52Speaker 06

  I think the unfortunate reality of capitalism is that, um, we're, we're all never satisfied with our upward mobility, and then we then turn into the very people we thought we were running a-

• 38:06Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:06Speaker 06

  A game on. So, yeah, we all, we should all run it up, and we should all feel terrible afterwards.

• 38:12Laci Mosley?

  Because honestly, if, if Republicans could take the bigotry, the killing my people, the, um, the rampant corruption, the, the creepiness and pedophilia, if they could take all of the horrible things that they are off the table and just be like, hey, you can keep more of your money if you vote for us, if it was just keep money, which used to be the platform, right?

• 38:31Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 38:32Laci Mosley?

  Less government in my pocket, I might be like, hmm, keep the money?

• 38:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys got four bad traits.

• 38:41Speaker 06

  I counted. Four pretty big bad ones.

• 38:45Laci Mosley?

  I can't overlook them.

• 38:48Speaker 06

  If you could just stop being pedophiles, you'd be pretty cool.

• 38:57Laci Mosley?

  That's where you start saying shit like, I'm not OJ. I'm not black, I'm OJ.

• 39:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, no, no.

• 39:01Laci Mosley?

  I don't ever want to be that deep, but you know, I can see the appeal.

• 39:07Laci Mosley?

  And I hate that for me. So at its peak, Rich and Unemployed had built a solid following across YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts with more than 200,000 followers and hundreds of episodes.

• 39:18Speaker 06

  Fuck, yeah.

• 39:19Laci Mosley?

  Right?

• 39:20Speaker 06

  They're killing it.

• 39:20Laci Mosley?

  The show might have gotten a bump from his possible relationship with Real Housewives Atlanta star, Portia Williams.

• 39:27Speaker 06

  Okay, we getting into, we getting into larger lore.

• 39:31Laci Mosley?

  And listen, if one thing Portia gonna do, she gonna find a scammer in Atlanta.

• 39:36Speaker 06

  Is that her thing?

• 39:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like her ex, he was deported.

• 39:40Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 39:42Laci Mosley?

  For doing crimes.

• 39:43Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 39:44Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 39:44Speaker 06

  So this is number two of, of men that have, have faced criminal justice?

• 39:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 39:50Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 39:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but, but you know, in Atlanta, it's hard not to throw a rock and, and hit a scammer, especially if you're in those kind of bougie areas, you know what I mean? What are you gonna do?

• 39:59Speaker 06

  She's a, she's an easy target in, in an open field.

• 40:03Laci Mosley?

  She's a baddie.

• 40:04Speaker 06

  No, she's a baddie for sure.

• 40:06Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you know what I mean? That's a generational baddie. That's a, that's a civil rights baddie.

• 40:09Speaker 06

  They put you on TV for being, for being a baddie.

• 40:12Laci Mosley?

  I mean, her grandfather is literally Hosea Williams. She's a civil rights baddie.

• 40:14Speaker 06

  Okay, wow.

• 40:16Laci Mosley?

  Don't make them like that no more. That comes from marching.

• 40:20Laci Mosley?

  Got them good marching jeans.

• 40:21Speaker 06

  Got that big old ass from all that marching.

• 40:26Laci Mosley?

  I love that for you.

• 40:27Speaker 06

  You walk long enough, your ass gonna get big.

• 40:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's gonna get nice and juicy, okay? I bet everybody was, everybody's probably tea. And think about it, they also had a little sweat going, because that was when we really had to hit respectability politics. We got, we marched in sneakers and shit now, but they were in suits in the hot sun.

• 40:44Speaker 06

  If I ever see her, that's how I'm gonna holler at her. I'm like, god damn, your granddaddy must have marched. You is thick, girl. Shit. Your grandma must have been marching.

• 40:54Laci Mosley?

  Y'all was on Washington, Washington, Washington with that ass, okay?

• 40:58Speaker 06

  It was in you with fire hoses, girl.

• 41:00Laci Mosley?

  Your grandparents was at the National Mall. Let me take you to the mall, okay? So for a period of time, he became an influencer for your third leg. A supplement claiming to increase male girth.

• 41:16Speaker 06

  Let's go, girth.

• 41:18Laci Mosley?

  Your third leg, that's, that's it right there. First of all, the-

• 41:21Speaker 06

  They're focusing exclusively on girth?

• 41:24Laci Mosley?

  And isn't leg supposed to be on length?

• 41:28Speaker 06

  That's what I presume.

• 41:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 41:29Speaker 06

  It's not, it's not so much of a leg, it's a stump if it's, if we're just doing girth, but that's cool.

• 41:36Laci Mosley?

  I don't think there's a way to sell wide dick.

• 41:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 41:39Laci Mosley?

  That's gonna sound good.

• 41:39Speaker 06

  That's fair.

• 41:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 41:41Speaker 06

  But maybe we've over-

• 41:42Laci Mosley?

  The DBL, like, I don't know.

• 41:44Speaker 06

  From, from talking to women, uh, maybe men have overemphasized the importance of length, and it really is more girth that, that matters, and this brother gets that.

• 41:54Laci Mosley?

  He might get that, because you know, some lengths can be stabby. You know?

• 41:58Speaker 06

  That hasn't been my experience, in that I have not experienced it, but I believe you.

• 42:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm just saying, and this is from my own focus.

• 42:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I pray to God I'm not stabbing. I can't imagine I am, but-

• 42:12Laci Mosley?

  I think you're doing great, you got two kids, so I think, I think you're doing great. So, the frauds.

• 42:17Speaker 06

  Yeah. Oh, and this is made with sea moss.

• 42:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh no, that is the most-

• 42:22Speaker 06

  That's so cool.

• 42:24Laci Mosley?

  Dr. Sebby-

• 42:25Speaker 06

  Black people love sea moss.

• 42:26Laci Mosley?

  Black people love sea moss.

• 42:28Speaker 06

  We love sea moss.

• 42:28Laci Mosley?

  They love to blend it up, drink it.

• 42:30Speaker 06

  I'm not gonna lie, I love sea moss. If it's in there, I go, I go, that's the good stuff.

• 42:35Laci Mosley?

  I don't know what it's doing, but give me that and some blue spirulina?

• 42:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:39Laci Mosley?

  Spirina? I'm just gonna say it faster so nobody will know what it is. It's like I did with ChatGPT. Spirina? Y'all know that, y'all talk about that blue shit. Y'all know the blue, the healthy blue shit.

• 42:49Speaker 06

  Look, if you put in a plant that I don't traditionally see, I believe you.

• 42:54Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely.

• 42:55Speaker 06

  It's, it's a beautiful game. Shout out to sea moss.

• 42:57Laci Mosley?

  And that sea moss probably sold it so much. Also, before we move into the crimes, what is this packaging? It looks like a flask.

• 43:03Speaker 06

  It is a, it is in fact a flask.

• 43:07Laci Mosley?

  So is, are people like mixing a hen dog with the third leg or something? Because you know they started putting them sex honey packets like in food? You know, the gas station sex honey packets?

• 43:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, the honey packs.

• 43:18Laci Mosley?

  I saw on TikTok, there are these like ratchet chefs, like there's some chefs, I think a lot of them are in Atlanta too, like they're like, they do like chef sexual experiences, where they're like feed the women foods, like, like they'll get the mac and cheese tray and then like grab a scoop and like rub it all in the woman mouth all sensual.

• 43:36Speaker 06

  You getting rocked up on, on some mac and cheese.

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  I just feel like some foods are not meant, they're too heavy to be sensual.

• 43:42Speaker 06

  I don't wanna be horny when I'm eating.

• 43:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't either.

• 43:46Speaker 06

  I'd like to be horny before.

• 43:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 43:48Speaker 06

  I wouldn't mind being horny after, with enough time.

• 43:51Laci Mosley?

  That's what I was about to say, I need that jump in the pool waiting time after eating.

• 43:54Speaker 06

  Give me a second, big girl.

• 43:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 43:58Speaker 06

  I'm trying to digest, and then, we could do whatever you want. It's, it's, you're, no, you're making a mistake. You're conflating, uh, two things that I enjoy.

• 44:09Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I think they're getting confused, because you know when you eat, you do have those like sensory plugs, you're like, mm, you say mm when you eat, and sometimes you say mm when you, when you meet.

• 44:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, again, not my experience, but I believe you.

• 44:25Speaker 06

  If I'm ever inside and I go, mm, I unfortunately am not gonna be able to stay there very much longer. I've learned to keep my mms to myself, but I, I hear you.

• 44:35Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, I love a hoot and holler. But they're, they're putting the gas station honey like on wings and shit.

• 44:41Speaker 06

  That's crazy.

• 44:42Laci Mosley?

  Somebody was like, if I eat a wing and then I have a boner, like I'm about to fight, I'm fighting everybody in this establishment.

• 44:48Speaker 06

  Stress.

• 44:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but one flat, dick hard.

• 44:56Speaker 06

  This isn't even the flavor you ordered.

• 44:57Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 44:58Speaker 06

  You asked for, you asked for a regular ass, uh, uh buffalo wing, and here you are with honey wings.

• 45:03Laci Mosley?

  Honey wings.

• 45:04Speaker 06

  This is a mistake.

• 45:04Laci Mosley?

  Scams!

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• 45:17Speaker 01

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• 45:19Speaker 07

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• 45:22Speaker 01

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• 47:03Laci Mosley?

  Cams! So the frauds. Jonathan has been to prison for fraud once before. He was convicted for scamming the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, SNAP, between 2014 and 2015.

• 47:18Speaker 06

  That's cool.

• 47:19Laci Mosley?

  I hate to see you scamming the, the program for the kids and the single mothers.

• 47:24Speaker 06

  Okay, this-

• 47:24Laci Mosley?

  And the families who need it.

• 47:25Speaker 06

  But, okay, but this is where I-

• 47:27Laci Mosley?

  It's a common scam though.

• 47:28Speaker 06

  This is where I, I throw my hands up though, because I go, okay, when you're scamming SNAP, are you in fact scamming those people and making them victim? Or are you just scamming the government through a specific department?

• 47:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 06

  You know what I mean? And so like that, as long as that doesn't hurt the community at large,

• 47:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 47:49Speaker 06

  I go, get your $395,000 worth of money, bro.

• 47:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and I didn't mean to say it as if I was saying he was scamming the single mothers and stuff, I meant more so like he was scamming in a program that is definitely not aimed at his demographic.

• 48:02Speaker 06

  No, they don't.

• 48:03Laci Mosley?

  Because there are a lot of people who are on SNAP. I have friends who have been on SNAP or in college or, or wherever, and they be slugging them food stamps, you know, sometimes be like, what you got for some cash? And it makes sense, this is the economy, right? That makes sense to me, and technically it is a scam, but not to me.

• 48:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I think, I think everybody should, should use the government to the maximum of your ability.

• 48:26Laci Mosley?

  Because that's why we pay them.

• 48:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:28Laci Mosley?

  And I don't understand why people want to play high pockets with other people's money, like, please get me out of your billionaire fantasy. You are broke, please stop pretending and trying to protect these people who are not protecting you, they're hustling the fuck out of you. That's one of the things I hate the most, like when people see people stealing, they're like, but that's why my stuff is costing more, because those people are stealing from the store. And I'm like, that's not how this works, baby, I don't know who lied to you.

• 48:47Speaker 06

  No, yeah.

• 48:48Laci Mosley?

  They account for shrink, they account for theft, okay? The stores are not hurting, they're actually throwing away fresh food and produce.

• 48:53Speaker 06

  Short of a co-op, you, you are, you are not in fact hurting the bottom line with these, these things happening.

• 48:59Laci Mosley?

  If you go to a farmer's market and run off with a table of, you know, strawberries, now you hurting the farmer, right? But in the grocery store, like, let's all be for real.

• 49:07Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:07Laci Mosley?

  Mind your business.

• 49:10Laci Mosley?

  If you see someone stealing, no you didn't. Like in the grocery store especially, leave them alone.

• 49:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, I, I'm certainly not a cashier.

• 49:18Laci Mosley?

  Right over here.

• 49:21Speaker 06

  In her purse.

• 49:22Laci Mosley?

  Seize him.

• 49:22Speaker 06

  In her purse, a crunch bar.

• 49:26Laci Mosley?

  And then what do you do? How do you, when you get home, do you sleep better at night? Is that something to tell your spouse in your listless marriage?

• 49:33Speaker 06

  I, I do think, I do think maybe people just need something to talk about.

• 49:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 06

  And, and maybe telling on somebody who stole is the best they can find. I don't know.

• 49:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, maybe no more Batman movies unless we're in them because Batman really made it so sexy to be a vigilante. He's just a rich, bored guy terrorizing the community.

• 49:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:55Laci Mosley?

  And every time he's saving something, he tearing up the whole goddamn city to do it. It's like.

• 49:58Speaker 06

  Catwoman was black this time and she didn't seem to put a stop to him. You know what I mean? She was really like, hey, come help me kill my guy. And then, and he was like, nah, I gotta focus. And she was like, then fuck you.

• 50:12Laci Mosley?

  I can't buy.

• 50:13Speaker 06

  Fuck you then.

• 50:14Laci Mosley?

  Fuck you then, bye.

• 50:15Speaker 06

  Bruce.

• 50:16Laci Mosley?

  I just see, I just think about coming in Gotham City and I'm getting ready to go to work and I come outside and my car smashed up. Smashed all the way flat.

• 50:25Speaker 06

  Cause Batman threw him off a building. Yeah, cause Bruce, cause Bruce don't know how to control his temper.

• 50:30Laci Mosley?

  And he's not a good interrogator. What you talking about? Tell me what you know? And he done beat the hell out of him. Like, bro, they almost dead. You don't know what they know.

• 50:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, I'm, Batman is my favorite, but if you spend even like eight minutes analyzing his like core story.

• 50:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 50:46Speaker 06

  It is not a charming one.

• 50:47Laci Mosley?

  Not at all.

• 50:48Speaker 06

  This is a billionaire child, a pussy out the ladder ass kid.

• 50:52Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:53Speaker 06

  Who lost his parents and never didn't have a, something to fall back on.

• 50:59Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:59Speaker 06

  He always was gonna be just fine and instead he was like, I'm going to make hell for anybody who even looks like they're up to no good. And that's, that's a weird interpretation of your responsibility in this world.

• 51:13Laci Mosley?

  He said, I have trauma and instead of therapy, I'm gonna make it the world's problem, okay?

• 51:17Speaker 06

  Everybody's gonna deal with this.

• 51:18Laci Mosley?

  Everybody in this motherfucking city, every damn night.

• 51:20Speaker 06

  I am gonna be a grump on top of buildings.

• 51:25Laci Mosley?

  Ain't nobody getting no sleep in Gotham. Always operating at night.

• 51:29Speaker 06

  Hey, cut it out.

• 51:31Laci Mosley?

  And he loud.

• 51:32Speaker 06

  They don't show that part of Batman. He's just, cause some crimes, you just, if it's a kid.

• 51:38Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 51:39Speaker 06

  You know what I mean? Fucking with a building that he wasn't supposed to. Hey, hey, get down. And I'll get down. I bet Batman did a lot of that.

• 51:47Laci Mosley?

  Oh, for sure. He was definitely gonna get off my line. Yeah.

• 51:49Speaker 06

  Hey, I'll punch you in the fucking face. Stop.

• 51:54Laci Mosley?

  So, at the time Jonathan and his then-wife Stephanie operated multiple convenience stores in Cobb County, Georgia. They used identity theft to obtain other people's SNAP cards and cash in their benefits at the stores that they own. So now see. See?

• 52:11Speaker 06

  I was rooting for you, Jonathan.

• 52:13Laci Mosley?

  Cause we thought he was going to the SNAP office and being like, yes, me and my babies.

• 52:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, I thought you had like.

• 52:18Laci Mosley?

  I thought you brought your kids to the scam.

• 52:19Speaker 06

  I, and this is my own stupidity. I thought maybe he had figured out how to hack into the system.

• 52:24Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:25Speaker 06

  And was, and was adding his name in a, you know, in a database that then allowed for him to collect SNAP benefits.

• 52:32Laci Mosley?

  Collecting more than he was supposed to.

• 52:33Speaker 06

  Yes, I did not think that he was going door to door robbing women and children of their SNAP cards.

• 52:41Laci Mosley?

  Like imagine you go to get like some Now laters and a Coca-Cola. Next thing you know, you don't got no SNAP left. Cause they never ran it up.

• 52:48Speaker 06

  That's, what a guy.

• 52:50Laci Mosley?

  So he was convicted in 2017 and sentenced to nearly four years in prison, along with supervised release and restitution.

• 52:56Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 52:57Laci Mosley?

  So he had to pay the money back. And when he got out, they said, we gotta watch your ass.

• 53:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:01Laci Mosley?

  Mr. Dupont.

• 53:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, Du- Dupont.

• 53:04Laci Mosley?

  So he said he's a changed man, right? After he got out, Jonathan assured his followers that prison changed him. He was rehabilitated. And he had evolved and was no longer a fraudster. Also, that maybe fraud was actually a gift from God.

• 53:20Speaker 06

  Whoa, slant run, go crazy.

• 53:24Laci Mosley?

  Okay, listen.

• 53:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:25Laci Mosley?

  Also, I did the slant run. I'm not giving that to Dupont.

• 53:28Speaker 06

  Oh, you don't think he did that on purpose?

• 53:30Laci Mosley?

  He said fraud and God maybe, maybe, how would I say it?

• 53:32Speaker 06

  I think he probably said that more than you.

• 53:34Laci Mosley?

  Like fraud be like God.

• 53:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you right.

• 53:37Speaker 06

  I think that, I think that hit.

• 53:38Laci Mosley?

  On fraud?

• 53:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's more Atlanta though. Yeah, you right.

• 53:42Speaker 06

  I think he, I think he hit that a few times.

• 53:43Laci Mosley?

  You're right, he probably won. Also, don't forget to buy.

• 53:48Laci Mosley?

  A hashtag free finesse t-shirt, okay? Now look at this video that he created with AI.

• 53:55Speaker 06

  Oh, that's not.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  People say I changed. You damn right. You damn right I changed. You think I, you think I did all this work? You think I put all these hours in? You think I went to prison? Had to, had to reinvent myself to stay the same? Yes, I changed. Yes, this is, this is the new me.

• 54:16Laci Mosley?

  He looks like a grand theft auto character.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  Because I evolved. That's what life is about. It's about evolving. You'd be a fool to stay the same. You'd be a fool to be the same person you was two, three years ago.

• 54:26Speaker 06

  Whoa, it moves slow.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  Five years ago, 10 years ago. How dare a motherfucker say that?

• 54:30Laci Mosley?

  It's like buffalo.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Damn, bro, you changed. Yeah, I fucking changed.

• 54:33Laci Mosley?

  But also smooth.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  What did you expect? How did you expect for me to be the same person I was last year? It's about evolution.

• 54:38Speaker 06

  This feels like watching Polar Express.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  It's about becoming a better person than I was yesterday.

• 54:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  So when you say, yeah, I changed, I'm gonna look at you and say, you motherfucking right?

• 54:47Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 54:47Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I know.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  And, and shit. And I changed for the better. Either you going like.

• 54:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 54:53Laci Mosley?

  He repeated the same thing like 12 times. How are you gonna tell us that you've changed? You're no longer doing fraud, you're about authenticity, and you're gonna give us a fake video of you on a private jet?

• 55:03Speaker 06

  That, that is cool because he's saying, look, my followers believe I have private jet money. I'm, I'm not gonna let them down by letting them see me in not a private jet. I'm gonna speak to them in the location that, that I should be. And if that require, if that.

• 55:23Laci Mosley?

  That's his pulpit. It was the cockpit of the private jet.

• 55:25Speaker 06

  Come on. And if he needs to use AI in order to produce that.

• 55:30Laci Mosley?

  So be it.

• 55:30Speaker 06

  Don't pay a dime for the work. Do it, don't. I don't wanna pay him. I want this to be, I want you to Google how to do this and get it done on a free app. And it, it better look like dog shit if it's gonna cost us money. I would rather do it dog shit than, than pay a dime.

• 55:49Laci Mosley?

  But he's changed, okay?

• 55:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:50Laci Mosley?

  So now, anyway, he's going back to prison for a new crime. This time it was a COVID one. He targeted California's unemployment insurance benefits program from 2020 to 2021. Similar to SNAP scheme, he used stolen identities to get millions of dollars in other people's unemployment insurance benefits.

• 56:11Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 56:13Laci Mosley?

  Oh, and this is really killing me because I wish that his scams were scamming up. Or he could have been like, who was Pretty Ricky? What was his name? Blue?

• 56:22Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:22Laci Mosley?

  From Pretty Ricky who got them PPE lost and then he had to go to prison.

• 56:25Speaker 06

  Oh, I didn't know.

• 56:26Laci Mosley?

  He was like buying expensive cars with them. I think his name was like Blue something like that in Pretty Ricky.

• 56:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blue velvet, I don't know.

• 56:34Laci Mosley?

  They went on tour and it was very uncomfortable to see them trying to do their old sexual moves. It's just something.

• 56:43Speaker 06

  I actually really, I like it much better now.

• 56:46Laci Mosley?

  It's jarring.

• 56:47Speaker 06

  I, it's, it's, it's now my favorite thing. I watched, there's a video that, that like went semi-viral of J-Book from B2K doing like his, cause like at the, the concert, they all had like a section. And then his section, he would like have a dance, um, like a big dance number with him and, and some boys. And, and he's now chubby and he's a dad and he, his body is very different than the J-Book that we knew. But that boy's still got it. And he out there with that shirt off, giving, giving it to you.

• 57:23Laci Mosley?

  Honestly?

• 57:23Speaker 06

  And I go, that's okay. Maybe I'll take my shirt off someday.

• 57:28Laci Mosley?

  I feel like a lot of dads at that concert probably went home feeling like we feel when we leave Beyonce, like sexy and empowered. They're like, let me get this belly out, baby.

• 57:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, I go, yeah, all right.

• 57:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 57:38Speaker 06

  All right, I'm out.

• 57:39Laci Mosley?

  Turn them lights on.

• 57:39Speaker 06

  Maybe we, maybe that's what a man's body's supposed to look like.

• 57:43Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Positivity. Ain't nobody got time for abs. We got bills to pay.

• 57:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm yelling that in my house and nobody understands the context. That's not the point.

• 57:54Laci Mosley?

  You know, okay, it was inspiring.

• 57:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:57Laci Mosley?

  So the program was supposed to provide temporary financial assistance to lawful workers who were unemployed during the COVID-19 pandemic. As a part of the scheme, Jonathan used the stolen IDs of hundreds of people and filed claims in California using a VPN to mask his actual online location. So he was stealing people's information using a VPN, which is like, it's not dark web, but I think you can, I'm not, I think it's like one of the portals to the dark web if you try hard enough.

• 58:27Speaker 06

  There are so many reasons to have a VPN.

• 58:30Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:30Speaker 06

  And

• 58:31Laci Mosley?

  I have a VPN.

• 58:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, and there are so many reasons not to have a VPN.

• 58:35Laci Mosley?

  So many.

• 58:35Speaker 06

  And, and it is real up for grabs, uh, in a way that we all, we all know the difference. You know what I mean?

• 58:43Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 58:43Speaker 06

  We all go like, alright, yeah.

• 58:44Laci Mosley?

  Like, what you doing over there?

• 58:46Speaker 06

  Be careful.

• 58:46Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I'm just using it to watch HBO in Ireland. You think I'm in New Jersey, USA?

• 58:52Speaker 06

  I travel enough that I might need this to be able to log into certain accounts.

• 58:57Laci Mosley?

  Exactly, but you over there, you doing stuff.

• 59:00Speaker 06

  You doing weird stuff.

• 59:00Laci Mosley?

  You in chats.

• 59:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 59:02Laci Mosley?

  Showing, showing, showing socials, I don't know about that. So he was doing this in California, or masking his location. After the claims were approved, he and his co-conspirators redirected the benefits debit cards to a North Georgia mailing address. So the benefits came on a little card, like a little rush card.

• 59:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:23Laci Mosley?

  Which are coins, which I hate because the cards then allow for fees when you're like paying for things, or the transaction fees. So now I'm paying a fee on the money that was all supposed to be for me.

• 59:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, it, it feels, it feels like such a clear scam that the government is running.

• 59:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes.

• 59:41Speaker 06

  That like, we should have all risen up immediately and been like, but, but they're charging you for making it even remotely more convenient than it previously was, right? Like, the idea that it was like some version of like fucking Monopoly money at one point is absurd.

• 59:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:59Speaker 06

  It, it, you know what I mean?

• 1:00:00Laci Mosley?

  But I miss when it was a check. Like, I had to collect unemployment once, and it was a check in the mail, and the government still tried to play with me, talking about, hey, girl, I think we paid you too much. Like, when I got a job, they were like, as soon as I got a job, and I did the right thing, got off unemployment, they were like, hey, I think we paid you too much when you were unemployed, run us some of that back, and also make sure you pay your taxes on your unemployment. I'm like, did my taxes go to the unemployment?

• 1:00:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:21Laci Mosley?

  So now I gotta pay taxes on the unemployment that was the taxes?

• 1:00:23Speaker 06

  Everything's a tax on a tax, hence the card. Yeah, it's a crazy move.

• 1:00:27Laci Mosley?

  It's so ghetto here, everything costs so much.

• 1:00:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Laci Mosley?

  And new prices every day, things that were free are not free anymore.

• 1:00:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, they're not gonna, they're not gonna, um, stop changing them.

• 1:00:37Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:00:38Speaker 06

  They're never gonna be like, alright, finally, the price of eggs, we did it.

• 1:00:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, why can't we lock in?

• 1:00:45Speaker 06

  That, you would think chickens aren't charging us more.

• 1:00:49Laci Mosley?

  They aren't.

• 1:00:50Speaker 06

  Do you know what I mean? Chicken not going, hey, hey, I laid a lot of eggs this month.

• 1:00:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yesterday's coop, not today's coop.

• 1:00:57Speaker 06

  My cloaca is fucked up. I'm gonna need a break. We're upping the charge on these eggs.

• 1:01:05Laci Mosley?

  Come on, McQuah!

• 1:01:10Speaker 06

  Eighteen eggs? Fuck! I can't do that, not at this price.

• 1:01:15Laci Mosley?

  Right, family size, okay, we used to 12, what the hell, we go to 18? No, that's, that's wild. So, yeah, he had transferred the money to these places in North Georgia, right? And, um, then he went to withdraw the money from ATMs, mostly in the metro Atlanta area.

• 1:01:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:32Laci Mosley?

  Jonathan duped the federal government out of $3.8 million, of which he was able to withdraw about $2 million.

• 1:01:39Speaker 06

  Wow, pretty big numbers.

• 1:01:42Laci Mosley?

  Right, and this is unemployment benefits during this time, so I'm thinking like, I guess people have different jobs, and like, obviously your unemployment depends on how much you were making at your, you know, job.

• 1:01:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:53Laci Mosley?

  So, cause I'm thinking the legwork of having to get all these debit cards and go to all these ATMs, like, bro, you was at the ATM all the time. It's giving like Girl Tyrese new YouTube.

• 1:02:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he was definitely stopping by with Girl Tyrese. Yeah, I, but, you know, he treated it like a job.

• 1:02:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 06

  He said to myself, I don't want a real job, but I'm gonna work like I got a real job.

• 1:02:13Laci Mosley?

  Well, scamming is a job, it's a profession.

• 1:02:15Speaker 06

  It's, and it also

• 1:02:16Laci Mosley?

  It takes hard work, everyone thinks it's easy, I'm like, it's not.

• 1:02:19Speaker 06

  It requires a, a determination, a focus on detail that I think a lot of us don't have in us. Do you know what I mean? Like, you really have to be doing checks and balances to effectively scam people out of that amount, that amount of money.

• 1:02:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Speaker 06

  So like, you know, shout out to him.

• 1:02:37Laci Mosley?

  You gotta believe your own lies, you gotta not be, don't sweat under pressure.

• 1:02:40Speaker 06

  Bro, you gotta be able to look somebody in the face and assure them that you will not do harm to them, and then fully do harm to them.

• 1:02:47Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:02:48Speaker 06

  That's, that's a tenacity I do not have.

• 1:02:50Laci Mosley?

  And in his case, he was never looking anybody in the face. I could almost maybe respect that more. He was stealing this information from people and then using it, and these are vulnerable communities, people who were really on SNAP, people really needed their unemployment during a very dark and difficult time.

• 1:03:05Speaker 06

  But I bet, I bet there were some people that he connected with in order to get information from them in order to hit them.

• 1:03:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:12Speaker 06

  Like, I bet this was all like, sort of, community-related shit in a way that

• 1:03:18Laci Mosley?

  He was bringing his kids around with a credit card swiper.

• 1:03:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, cause if you make it just open internet, you're gonna hit the wrong person too fast.

• 1:03:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Speaker 06

  You know what I mean? You're gonna hit somebody that's, that knows

• 1:03:27Laci Mosley?

  You're gonna notice.

• 1:03:28Speaker 06

  Knows how to handle this, knows how to correct whatever the problem is. You gotta go to a community where you go, I know how to move with each and every one of you.

• 1:03:38Laci Mosley?

  And you saying that, now I'm thinking back to the first time he went to jail with the convenience stores, where people who would come into the store and pay with the SNAP, then he would have their information, then he would start using it.

• 1:03:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think you got, I think this is a hand-to-hand game, yeah.

• 1:03:53Laci Mosley?

  So Jonathan pled guilty in January to conspiracy to commit mail fraud, wire fraud, and aggravated identity theft. He was sentenced to seven years in prison, followed by three years of supervised, but who is supervising him on release?

• 1:04:10Laci Mosley?

  Don't piss me off!

• 1:04:10Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:04:11Laci Mosley?

  Who?

• 1:04:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:04:12Laci Mosley?

  Stevie Wonder?

• 1:04:15Laci Mosley?

  Ray Charles' ghost.

• 1:04:16Speaker 06

  I think, I think it speaks, it speaks to the power, the, the power of fraud, the power of finesse that he, he holds, because he is like, it don't matter what you throw at me, I'm going to make this work.

• 1:04:31Laci Mosley?

  He did.

• 1:04:32Speaker 06

  And, and

• 1:04:32Laci Mosley?

  He said finesse.

• 1:04:33Speaker 06

  The boy got it, man, he got the juice, shout out to him.

• 1:04:36Laci Mosley?

  You know what, I don't like that you're sounding like a junior preacher, okay? You're getting a little too good at finesse words.

• 1:04:41Speaker 06

  I just recognized talent. You know what I mean? I'm like one of them dudes who, who hangs out at like, high school basketball games just to see the future.

• 1:04:50Laci Mosley?

  I was too.

• 1:04:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Laci Mosley?

  Cause like, my dad, like, uh, in the winter, when I would come home from college, we would go to the intermural basketball games in the city, cause we were in the burbs.

• 1:04:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:04:59Laci Mosley?

  So when our schools would get too big, they would cut them in half.

• 1:05:02Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:05:02Laci Mosley?

  So like, in my neighborhood, there was an elementary school, a middle school, and a high school, and that was pretty much like, all the neighborhoods around us, like, you know, those like, big subdivisions would have their own schools. And if those schools got too big, they would cut us in half, because they didn't want to get big enough that they had to play the inner-city kids.

• 1:05:17Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:05:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they didn't want to play the kids with struggle, because, you know.

• 1:05:23Speaker 06

  You guys weren't gonna win them games.

• 1:05:24Laci Mosley?

  Hell, no.

• 1:05:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:26Laci Mosley?

  None of them, we would never see a win ever again.

• 1:05:28Speaker 06

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 1:05:28Laci Mosley?

  Jamal and Malcolm would have been stomping on our asses.

• 1:05:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, we

• 1:05:33Laci Mosley?

  Jonathan would have stole their SNAP for the month, and they would beat our asses.

• 1:05:37Speaker 06

  And so you became then somebody who's like, well, we've created our own rivalry by splitting the school in half.

• 1:05:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Speaker 06

  I wanna see that game.

• 1:05:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it was all, yeah, it was

• 1:05:49Laci Mosley?

  There was a reason I brought that up, and now I can't remember why.

• 1:05:52Speaker 06

  We were talking about Jonathan being that type of dude who's scouting his community for, for the, the victims, yeah.

• 1:05:59Laci Mosley?

  Still don't make sense why I said that.

• 1:06:01Speaker 06

  I liked it.

• 1:06:02Laci Mosley?

  Y'all, y'all walk it back, y'all figure it out.

• 1:06:04Speaker 06

  No, I liked it.

• 1:06:05Laci Mosley?

  So he was sentenced to seven years in prison, followed by three years of supervised release, again, that's, I think that's why I said it. So plus, he had to pay restitution again, but the amount wasn't specified. You can still buy a rich and unemployed hoodie on eBay.

• 1:06:20Speaker 06

  Oh, shit.

• 1:06:21Laci Mosley?

  So you know what's pissing me off about this hoodie?

• 1:06:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:06:24Laci Mosley?

  First of all, why is it so loose? Like, why is it falling off the bone? Why does the hoodie have tenderness?

• 1:06:30Speaker 06

  It is not.

• 1:06:34Speaker 06

  It is clearly not a good hoodie.

• 1:06:36Laci Mosley?

  At all.

• 1:06:36Speaker 06

  I think we can agree on that, it, it looks like shit.

• 1:06:40Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:06:40Speaker 06

  It's poorly designed, it, it doesn't, um

• 1:06:43Laci Mosley?

  I'm looking at this hoodie from inside the washing machine as it disintegrates, like, what do you mean?

• 1:06:48Speaker 06

  It doesn't even feel like they tried a second font.

• 1:06:52Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:06:53Speaker 06

  Do you know what I mean? Like, where they were like, they said, they, he said, yes, that looks good to me.

• 1:06:57Laci Mosley?

  Oh, gosh, I could have had such a fancy bougie moment right now if I could remember that placeholder font that they always use.

• 1:07:03Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:07:04Laci Mosley?

  There's like a graphic designer placeholder font, it's like a, ugh, damn it.

• 1:07:07Speaker 06

  Comic Sans.

• 1:07:10Laci Mosley?

  Everyone's screaming right now at their radios, or where, have radios.

• 1:07:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, their radios.

• 1:07:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I hope, I hope someone listens to this, oh, right, I

• 1:07:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, I, I don't think that's their focus with you.

• 1:07:24Laci Mosley?

  The hoodie is $14, though, so it's, it hurts me, the, the hoodie really hurts me.

• 1:07:31Speaker 06

  There's no way he was charging $14, he charged like $120 for this, and then they were, they knocked it down.

• 1:07:38Laci Mosley?

  Well, you know what, it's on eBay, so now they're rare.

• 1:07:40Speaker 06

  That's what I'm saying, they've knocked it down to $14, because they're just trying to unload this thing.

• 1:07:45Laci Mosley?

  You're right, he was probably strong, charging like a strong 52 for this.

• 1:07:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:07:49Laci Mosley?

  He was probably giving like concert hoodie prices.

• 1:07:51Speaker 06

  Yes, 100%.

• 1:07:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Speaker 06

  They're, it's rich and unemployed, this is, this is a brand name, we're not, we're not fucking around over here.

• 1:07:59Laci Mosley?

  How you gonna have me looking broke and overworked?

• 1:08:03Speaker 06

  That's the brilliance of it.

• 1:08:06Speaker 06

  He's like, if you get skinny enough, you'll look good in this.

• 1:08:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, don't worry, see, your, your mindset ain't right.

• 1:08:11Speaker 06

  If you was out walking the beach, you know what I mean?

• 1:08:14Laci Mosley?

  If you were doing pushups on a rock

• 1:08:15Speaker 06

  You wouldn't even need to wear this hoodie.

• 1:08:16Laci Mosley?

  At all.

• 1:08:17Speaker 06

  Go walk the beach, take your shirt off, fuck this hoodie, $52.

• 1:08:22Laci Mosley?

  It's meant to disintegrate into the ocean.

• 1:08:25Speaker 06

  Give me $100.

• 1:08:26Laci Mosley?

  That's how you know you've made it, that's how you know you're ready.

• 1:08:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:08:29Laci Mosley?

  That reminds me, one time, like, uh, when I was a kid, I think I scraped my leg or something, and I was like, really young, and me and my cousin were playing, uh, Eric, y'all probably know, we're very close.

• 1:08:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:08:38Laci Mosley?

  And we didn't have any Band-Aids, and he's like, a little bit older than me, and so I was like, really like, hooting and hollering about this scrape, and he was like, don't worry, like, I, we got, we got gauze and medicine, I don't know, I think he might have like, folded up like, a little piece of tissue and like, put like, tape on it or something, cause we wanted to keep playing, and I think our parents probably had Band-Aids, but he wanted to

• 1:08:57Speaker 06

  That's really

• 1:08:58Laci Mosley?

  And he's gonna say I put words in his mouth, but I remember he was like, yeah, and then when it's ready to heal, the Band-Aid'll fall off.

• 1:09:05Speaker 06

  Oh, no. That's not how that works.

• 1:09:10Laci Mosley?

  He said, no, it falls off when it's like, when it's ready.

• 1:09:12Speaker 06

  Oh, he's wrong, but that's so sweet that he cared for you that I, you, as you were telling this story, my fear was that you were gonna be like, and then he came back with a tampon and wrapped that around my leg. Uh, so it was a much sweeter, it was a much sweeter story than I had imagined.

• 1:09:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay, in future, a maxi pad would be better.

• 1:09:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's fair enough.

• 1:09:32Laci Mosley?

  Than a tampon, wrapping a tampon.

• 1:09:34Speaker 06

  And sure, maxi pad.

• 1:09:35Laci Mosley?

  How long do you think a tampon string is?

• 1:09:36Speaker 06

  Maxi pad was in my head and of course I said tampon instead. I'm a man after all.

• 1:09:41Laci Mosley?

  For chat, G P T.

• 1:09:44Speaker 06

  I'm a man and a fool and you won't change me, never.

• 1:09:47Laci Mosley?

  No, I've changed. I change all the time. I change every day. I've changed since we started this podcast at this moment.

• 1:09:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:09:53Laci Mosley?

  Scam.

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• 1:10:08Speaker 07

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• 1:10:11Speaker 01

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• 1:10:14Speaker 07

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• 1:11:55Laci Mosley?

  Cunt. Which brings us to the end of this podcast and my favorite moment, Scammer of the Week. Yes, I'm bringing back everything this episode, Langston. This is like an OG episode.

• 1:12:07Speaker 06

  I love it.

• 1:12:07Laci Mosley?

  Um, so Scammer of the Week, I really want to highlight, before we show, I show you anything, Langston.

• 1:12:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:12:13Laci Mosley?

  I want to highlight this person because obviously we saw a historic win from the New York Knicks this year. The NBA championship.

• 1:12:22Speaker 06

  Shout out to the Knicks.

• 1:12:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I was, I was living for the Knicks fever. I'm not a Knicks fan, but you know, I, I've seen the Mama Spike Lee memes. I was happy for him. He been down in the trenches for so long. I was glad to see my king get his.

• 1:12:34Speaker 06

  I really liked that Knicks team. I think that it was like a heroic ass story.

• 1:12:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:41Speaker 06

  I'm, I'm happy at the idea of them winning. It is a bummer to watch Knicks fans be happy. I think they are the most unpleasant fans to see be joyous, but that is.

• 1:12:56Laci Mosley?

  This is gonna tie right in.

• 1:12:57Speaker 06

  That is my burden to bear.

• 1:12:59Laci Mosley?

  That's true. That's very true.

• 1:13:00Speaker 06

  Because I'm happy for the win enough that I go, fuck man, y'all are annoying, but here, go ahead.

• 1:13:05Laci Mosley?

  You know what it is? It's because they're so aggro. Like even if we're not rivals, they'd be like, no, fuck you, son. Fuck you, son. Like, you know, like, what were they saying? They'd be like, my mayor's.

• 1:13:19Laci Mosley?

  What were they saying? It was like, my daddy, my mayor, my, I don't even know what they were saying, but everything would end in like Knicks in five.

• 1:13:25Speaker 06

  It, Knicks in five was an exhausting, uh, time. I will say they've been more respectful in the wake of the, the victory than I anticipated. I think I thought this would get more annoying, but the season has not yet begun again.

• 1:13:38Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:13:39Speaker 06

  So we'll see how their behavior sort of like calibrates. But boy, oh boy, did I watch a lot of videos of Knicks, uh, fans beating up dudes from San Antonio. And I go, y'all think y'all the good guys in this video?

• 1:13:53Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:13:53Speaker 06

  You think y'all the heroes in this story?

• 1:13:55Laci Mosley?

  They posted the video.

• 1:13:57Speaker 06

  Look at us, whoop this nigga's ass.

• 1:14:00Laci Mosley?

  Ay, yo, Craig, get your phone out, get your phone out.

• 1:14:02Speaker 06

  At a basketball game.

• 1:14:04Laci Mosley?

  We going viral. Stop him. Stop him out for being a fan of another team.

• 1:14:09Speaker 06

  That said, I, I'm from Chicago, man.

• 1:14:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so I know you can.

• 1:14:12Speaker 06

  I'm, I'm in a lot of pain. You shouldn't listen to me. Uh, I, I ain't never gonna be happy.

• 1:14:17Laci Mosley?

  I'm a Cowboys fan from Texas, so you know, he been down bad since I was a young baby child.

• 1:14:21Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 1:14:22Laci Mosley?

  So, speaking of Knicks fans being wonderful.

• 1:14:26Speaker 06

  Okay, here we go.

• 1:14:27Laci Mosley?

  So, there is a Knicks fan who got particularly excited after the Knicks win, as people did.

• 1:14:33Speaker 06

  Oh, I know her.

• 1:14:34Laci Mosley?

  So, New York, do, I was about to be like, do you? I really believed you. So, you know, New York was like decorating things in the Knicks colors and they had these very iconic Knicks colored trash cans.

• 1:14:47Speaker 06

  Um, which is funny to me. Trash cans. Trash cans you absolutely want to get in your home.

• 1:14:52Laci Mosley?

  Which honestly, to me, New York, do you not realize the irony of making a Knicks colored trash can? Like, I wish I was saying we was trash for so long.

• 1:15:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:01Laci Mosley?

  We identify with the trash can.

• 1:15:03Speaker 06

  Look, we trash, we trash, but we also not trash.

• 1:15:05Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:15:06Speaker 06

  That is their argument, I guess.

• 1:15:07Laci Mosley?

  So, obviously this woman wanted this trash can as a souvenir after the win. So here she is caught littering, literally dumping out the contents of this trash can in New York City during a New York, uh, New York Knicks celebration.

• 1:15:22Speaker 06

  So cool.

• 1:15:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:15:24Speaker 06

  Because in her head, right, she's doing this, she's thinking to herself, what are they gonna do? Arrest me for taking a trash can? You know what I mean?

• 1:15:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:34Speaker 06

  She's like, there's no way anybody's gonna give a fuck. I'm stealing a trash can.

• 1:15:40Laci Mosley?

  But also like littering, you could get ticketed for littering. Like littering is, you're not allowed to do it.

• 1:15:45Speaker 06

  Nobody's gonna notice.

• 1:15:49Speaker 06

  I've seen this level of mess on the ground before. This isn't absurd.

• 1:15:55Laci Mosley?

  You know what? You're right. Because New York has so much litter, so many roaches, so many rats. At this point, I think my daddy probably making affordable housing for the rats on the subway.

• 1:16:05Speaker 06

  This isn't, this isn't out of the realm of possibility to round a corner and be like, oh, somebody dumped out all the trash.

• 1:16:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's not.

• 1:16:13Speaker 06

  I think in her head, she was like, it's a perfect crime. Nobody will, this could not go wrong for me.

• 1:16:19Laci Mosley?

  So, basically she gets caught here in 4K, right?

• 1:16:23Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:16:24Laci Mosley?

  She takes it a step further. Here she is on the train.

• 1:16:27Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 1:16:28Laci Mosley?

  With said trash can.

• 1:16:30Speaker 06

  She was so happy.

• 1:16:31Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And this is Angie Baez, forty, she's forty years old.

• 1:16:36Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:36Laci Mosley?

  Let's take into her big age into account too. Angie, you are too grown to be stealing trash cans and littering like this, okay? I, I know when you were a kid, like you're, you're an elder millennial. So I know you probably had the programs that were like, don't litter. Who, who are our icons? They're always like stuffed animals. We had Scruff McGruff, the crime dog.

• 1:16:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:56Laci Mosley?

  And then we had Smokey.

• 1:16:58Speaker 06

  The bear, Smokey, of course. We had Smokey.

• 1:17:00Laci Mosley?

  And then we had Dare, Lion.

• 1:17:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, the lion from Dare.

• 1:17:03Laci Mosley?

  We had the lion from Dare.

• 1:17:04Speaker 06

  Yep. Uh, who else was telling us to do right? Darkling Duck, he wanted us to do justice.

• 1:17:09Laci Mosley?

  Why was it always animals?

• 1:17:13Laci Mosley?

  And even though they were animals, somehow you could tell they were male coded. Like these are men telling us like.

• 1:17:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:17:18Laci Mosley?

  Smokey's like, only you can prevent forest. And it's also like, Smokey, you are Smokey the bear. Are you telling us you smoking in the woods and we gotta prevent yo ass to quit?

• 1:17:27Speaker 06

  I think unfortunately his name comes from a much more tragic origin story. I think that he is the child of a forest fire that killed his parents. I think he barely survived.

• 1:17:38Laci Mosley?

  So then he turned into Bane. He's the Batman of the forest.

• 1:17:41Speaker 06

  I think Smokey is the way that Batman learned to love his greatest fear.

• 1:17:47Laci Mosley?

  I'm with you.

• 1:17:47Speaker 06

  Bats were his greatest, that is what, what scares him the most, this darkness.

• 1:17:53Laci Mosley?

  This is really.

• 1:17:53Speaker 06

  And he learns to embrace it. Therefore he becomes Batman. Smokey has inhaled so much black that they started calling him.

• 1:18:01Laci Mosley?

  Smokey.

• 1:18:02Speaker 06

  They were calling him Smokey at the hospital.

• 1:18:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 1:18:05Speaker 06

  They were like, how Smokey? Is he gonna survive? And then he does, and he's like, I'll beat a forest fire's ass and anybody who starts one.

• 1:18:16Laci Mosley?

  I know, that's right. You're right. He empowered himself.

• 1:18:18Speaker 06

  He took his shirt off.

• 1:18:19Laci Mosley?

  He took his name back. He took his power back. He said, I'm Smokey now, bitch.

• 1:18:23Speaker 06

  He took his shirt off, he put a hat on. That's not, anybody who does, does that is a motherfucker who's been through something. And, and he went, he put some good jeans on and he let you know, don't start no forest fires.

• 1:18:37Laci Mosley?

  Don't start no, won't be nothing.

• 1:18:38Speaker 06

  I'll fuck you up.

• 1:18:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Smokey gonna be there.

• 1:18:43Laci Mosley?

  Smokey working the neighborhood is like Debo.

• 1:18:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:18:45Laci Mosley?

  Like, you better put that cigarette out.

• 1:18:47Speaker 06

  Hey, what y'all gonna do about that fire?

• 1:18:50Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:18:51Speaker 06

  You gonna put it out?

• 1:18:52Laci Mosley?

  Cause only you. And if you don't do something about that fire, only you gonna get your ass

• 1:18:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, I got a shovel. I'll fuck you up.

• 1:19:00Laci Mosley?

  He did have a shovel. What was he up to?

• 1:19:02Speaker 06

  Smoke, that's how you put out a forest fire. You gotta put dirt on it, I think.

• 1:19:06Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:19:06Speaker 06

  I think he was, he's saying, "I am a, I'm a forest fireman."

• 1:19:10Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I understand.

• 1:19:11Speaker 06

  Slash bear.

• 1:19:13Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:19:13Speaker 06

  Is my understanding.

• 1:19:14Laci Mosley?

  I get you, I get you.

• 1:19:15Speaker 06

  I didn't have to make this serious at the end.

• 1:19:17Laci Mosley?

  No, but I loved it. No, I loved it. Cause I'm honestly like, now I'm thinking, I don't understand why the lion, the dare lion was a lion. I feel like lions would definitely be doing drugs. Like, you gotta give me like a corny ass animal, like a penguin. I feel like penguins are sober.

• 1:19:31Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:19:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Like if a penguin told me not to do drugs, I would be like, "Okay."

• 1:19:36Speaker 06

  That, that's fair. Penguins, penguins mate for life.

• 1:19:40Laci Mosley?

  Yep, March of the Penguins.

• 1:19:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, they, they march, absolutely.

• 1:19:43Laci Mosley?

  And let the ladies go out to the club.

• 1:19:45Speaker 06

  It's a very, um, it's a, a very, almost like, um, sober perspective on the, there's a responsibility to their behavior. Meanwhile, male lions sleep, or 20 hours of the day or something like that?

• 1:20:00Laci Mosley?

  They let the women go out and get the food.

• 1:20:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, they're trifling ass niggas and in that way, I think maybe they're more likely to be a drug addict.

• 1:20:06Laci Mosley?

  Like a lion is definitely got a 40 ounce. A lion has definitely, you know, done some bone or something, you know?

• 1:20:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, they don't even fight like that for real. They just tricked a bunch of people into thinking that they do.

• 1:20:15Laci Mosley?

  It's cause they had big hair.

• 1:20:17Speaker 06

  Uh huh.

• 1:20:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:18Speaker 06

  And, and you go that, "I'm not gonna fight him."

• 1:20:20Laci Mosley?

  Damn. You know what? A lion is like a sexy bum. Like a fine ass bum. Like, you be like, "Oh, they're so into me." Like, we've only been dating a few weeks and they've already left their toothbrush at my place and their underwear and their clothes. It's like, no, that's a homosexual. A lion is just a bum.

• 1:20:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:20:37Laci Mosley?

  Yep. And you come home, the lion definitely smoked all your weed. Yeah, that didn't make no sense. That's why I tried drugs. Cause I didn't believe that fucking lion.

• 1:20:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:44Laci Mosley?

  Cause it was lying.

• 1:20:46Speaker 06

  Okay. Okay. Hey, let's go.

• 1:20:54Laci Mosley?

  Damn it. So Angela Baez was caught in 4K, right? Doing her crimes. And people figured out who she was because the internet is gonna do its thizzle.

• 1:21:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:21:08Laci Mosley?

  Apparently, she works for, or worked for JP Morgan Chase.

• 1:21:14Speaker 06

  Fuck. That's one of them big ones.

• 1:21:17Laci Mosley?

  And JP Morgan, like, like, first off, if you work for JP Morgan Chase.

• 1:21:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:21:23Laci Mosley?

  These trashcans are sold online, like as a souvenir.

• 1:21:27Speaker 06

  Oh, we, she didn't have to.

• 1:21:29Laci Mosley?

  She didn't have to do this.

• 1:21:30Speaker 06

  In my mind, I thought that these were like a one of the kind sort of item that could never exist anywhere else. The idea that she could have just ordered this.

• 1:21:40Laci Mosley?

  You thought in capitalism, something would be on the street that wasn't also being sold to you?

• 1:21:44Speaker 06

  That's fair. That's fair. What a fool I've been. Absolutely. Yeah, no, they'll find a way to sell it to us.

• 1:21:49Laci Mosley?

  To sell it to us. So she could have easily purchased it. And if you work for JP Morgan Chase, I would hope that they're paying you trashcan money. I hope you got money for a glat, you know, to put it in there. And I don't mean just like regular trash bags that rip. I want you to have them hefties, the ones that expand and you can put like sharp objects and hangers in them and it like expands.

• 1:22:08Speaker 06

  Lacey, if this is your way of announcing that you're running for congress, I think it's a, it's a fantastic campaign you're starting. I fully agree with you. I pray that everybody who works for a major corporation like JP Morgan Chase can afford whatever trash can they want.

• 1:22:24Laci Mosley?

  Right. You should have fucking trash money, okay?

• 1:22:26Speaker 06

  You should be able.

• 1:22:27Laci Mosley?

  You ain't never seen a trash can you can't buy, okay?

• 1:22:29Speaker 06

  There should never be a moment where you fear that you have to just dump the trash on the ground in a corner and then pick it up at the end. Like, I, I want you to have trashcan money.

• 1:22:38Laci Mosley?

  Don't have to put it in your pocket, walk with it, nothing. You got trashcan money.

• 1:22:41Speaker 06

  Trashcan money.

• 1:22:41Laci Mosley?

  So that was also embarrassing a part of this, right? So they reached out to JP Morgan, cause you know the internet's gonna do what it does.

• 1:22:47Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 1:22:48Laci Mosley?

  It's a lot of miserable people. And also, I'm not saying that the people who sleuth on her are miserable because what she did is absolutely wrong. New York City has enough problems, baby. Now you got Mom Donny over here picking up your trash. Don't he got enough to do?

• 1:23:01Speaker 06

  He's a busy.

• 1:23:01Laci Mosley?

  You know, he was probably right at the scene, like, "Let me just work this up real quick."

• 1:23:05Speaker 06

  It's fine, it's fine, I'll do it.

• 1:23:07Laci Mosley?

  When is the next landlord meeting? Okay, yeah, I'm gonna be there at 20. I just gotta get this trash real quick.

• 1:23:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, I, I, I have my own complicated feelings about the people who, who then do the snooping and telling.

• 1:23:19Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:23:19Speaker 06

  I, I don't know that.

• 1:23:20Laci Mosley?

  I do too.

• 1:23:21Speaker 06

  I, I personally think that, uh, there, this form of, uh, public justice is, is not real.

• 1:23:32Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:23:32Speaker 06

  I think that like, at the very least.

• 1:23:35Laci Mosley?

  Not always. I think that sometimes it can be. I think if you are in a position of power and you are being a menace to those around you, if we can get you up out of there, we're probably saving people from the type of person that you are. You know what I mean? Like that, that lady who tried to call the police on the black man who was bird watching, it's like, wherever you work, I know everybody scatters from the water cooler when your bitch ass walks up, okay? Nobody wants to talk about Love Island with you. Nobody wants to talk about the hideaway or nothing with you, Karen. I bet you heating up fish every day and snitching on people for being two minutes late. Like, we gotta get you up out of your employment. So sometimes I think it's right, but I do agree with you that I feel like sometimes the justice of it all is just an excuse for people to do righteous bullying.

• 1:24:14Speaker 06

  I, I think that, I think that whether they have that job or they don't have that job, it literally will never affect 99.9% of our day to day.

• 1:24:24Laci Mosley?

  Hmm, I don't know, Langston. People have lost their jobs and I've smiled.

• 1:24:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:24:29Laci Mosley?

  I've hit my friends up, I've shared memes and gifs, I've laughed and laughed.

• 1:24:33Speaker 06

  And I think that joy, that joy is endorphins, right? Like, that feels.

• 1:24:38Laci Mosley?

  So much oxytocin.

• 1:24:39Speaker 06

  It spikes our, yeah, that one. It, it makes that go up, but I don't necessarily know that that, um, automatically means that justice is served. I think that like, we are only creating a different kind of socio-muck with each other, where like, we are, we are willing to be violent with people's futures in a way that, that is inevitably going to come back on us in a, in a different kind of way. And so like, I, I get it. I get that this like feels right and I understand that in some ways it is. But I think we, we would do better to leave that internet alone.

• 1:25:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I just think this.

• 1:25:20Speaker 06

  For serving justice.

• 1:25:21Laci Mosley?

  It used to, I, I mean, in certain circumstances, it does feel good still to me. Am I the one looking people up? Absolutely not. I don't have enough time.

• 1:25:31Speaker 06

  No, I get it.

• 1:25:32Laci Mosley?

  And even if I did have enough time, I'm not hating to my full potential, probably ever, because I like to use that energy towards more productive things.

• 1:25:38Speaker 06

  In, in the way that we talked about scams, it is a full-time job to serve that kind of justice.

• 1:25:43Laci Mosley?

  You have to wake up with hate in your heart. Like, you have to wake up just fighting the air. You know what I mean?

• 1:25:47Speaker 06

  Because the first phone call you make is to JP Morgan Chase. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's, I, I can't get them to pick up for my account. I don't know how to.

• 1:25:58Laci Mosley?

  So you were on hold. You sitting on hold, like.

• 1:26:02Speaker 06

  You sat through hours of conversations. Yeah.

• 1:26:08Laci Mosley?

  You know when it gets to that part? You've been on, on for a while.

• 1:26:10Speaker 06

  Dog.

• 1:26:13Laci Mosley?

  They ain't even dropping the hook no more. Wow.

• 1:26:15Speaker 06

  The HR, they had to bump you up. To be able to make this a meaningful conversation took a day. At the very least, a day. The, then having mul, you had to have multiple conversations after to deal with whatever the firing of an entire employee is.

• 1:26:33Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:26:33Speaker 06

  So now I, I, I don't got that in me. I ain't got that spirit.

• 1:26:36Laci Mosley?

  I don't either. Um, but I do enjoy it sometimes, but unfortunately, I feel like because of the decline of the American educational system, the internet is now not a safe people, or a safe place for intelligent maneuvers like that.

• 1:26:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:26:50Laci Mosley?

  Because stupid people glom on way too quickly and then all of a sudden you're watching Love Island and then you're calling I, you know, like ICE on somebody's family that you don't like. Like, you've taken it way too far.

• 1:27:02Speaker 06

  And that's, that is the type of, that is, we all turn into internet Batman and then we go like, oh, fuck.

• 1:27:08Laci Mosley?

  That's what is the internet Batman?

• 1:27:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, everybody's internet Batman and that, that stinks.

• 1:27:11Laci Mosley?

  We gotta get out of this economic downturn because that's made everybody internet Batman.

• 1:27:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:17Laci Mosley?

  That's the broke version of Batman. It's like internet Batman.

• 1:27:20Speaker 06

  Internet Batman is a nightmare. So in that way, we have to be grateful for Bruce Wayne, who had enough money.

• 1:27:25Laci Mosley?

  But he never beat nobody ass on the internet.

• 1:27:27Speaker 06

  No. He, he, look, I bet you motherfuckers say nasty shit about Batman on the internet.

• 1:27:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:33Speaker 06

  You know what I mean? Like in Gotham, I bet they be tweeting about him nasty. He'll never pull up to nobody's crib and punch them in the face.

• 1:27:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he not mean nobody in Temecula.

• 1:27:40Speaker 06

  Nah.

• 1:27:40Laci Mosley?

  Nah.

• 1:27:42Speaker 06

  He's a cool guy, I guess, so my bad, I said bad things about Batman.

• 1:27:45Laci Mosley?

  Neighborhood watch. But, so when people continue to reach out to JP Morgan, The Post got ahold of them and JP Morgan's response was, "The employee is no longer with the company." Baez could not be reached by The Post for comment and sources noted that she had attended the parade on her own personal capacity. She wasn't there for JP Morgan Chase. And under New York City law, theft of property valued under a thousand dollars is typically charged as petty larceny, a class A misdemeanor. Consequences are often minimal, usually a fine, which she did get, or you might get summons or community service for like first time offenders. The littering that accompanied the theft could also bring additional penalties like we talked about. My thing is, is like, sis, you lost a good paying job.

• 1:28:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:28:28Laci Mosley?

  At a, like, you got a job that, you could be the janitor at JP Morgan. And I'd be like, "Damn."

• 1:28:35Speaker 06

  No, yeah.

• 1:28:35Laci Mosley?

  What kind of cleaning supplies they doing over there?

• 1:28:37Speaker 06

  They let you clean the big building, huh?

• 1:28:40Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Mr. High Pockets, okay.

• 1:28:43Speaker 06

  I bet you got one of them fob keys that go like this.

• 1:28:46Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, like that right here. Not money long, bro. Okay. Industrial strength cleaners, okay? So to lose your job over something petty and so small and silly is just, I feel bad for her because I feel like that's an escalation.

• 1:29:02Speaker 06

  Here's, here's the question that's.

• 1:29:04Laci Mosley?

  Awesome girl. Also, I feel like, I hope to some degree JP Morgan also let her go out of the sheer embarrassment that their employees are getting paid so little that they're stealing trashcans off the street.

• 1:29:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is a bad, these are bad optics for JP Morgan.

• 1:29:20Laci Mosley?

  I think JP Morgan was like, "She was that low in Manhattan?"

• 1:29:25Speaker 06

  That broke bitch don't represent our values. Here at JP Morgan Chase.

• 1:29:29Laci Mosley?

  Broke bitch was below 14? We don't go down there.

• 1:29:32Speaker 06

  Here's the big question I've been pondering this entire time. Do you think she kept the trash can?

• 1:29:40Laci Mosley?

  She actually had to return it.

• 1:29:41Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:29:42Laci Mosley?

  And I think the New York sanitation department like posted like a little like we returned safely like like people were being really petty about it, yeah. She didn't get to keep it, she lost her job, and she had to pay a fine, and she's publicly embarrassed and humiliated.

• 1:29:56Speaker 06

  Fuck.

• 1:29:56Laci Mosley?

  That's a triple whammy.

• 1:29:58Speaker 06

  Damn, they should have let her keep the trash can.

• 1:30:00Laci Mosley?

  Right? I'm sorry, you not, you pry that trash can out of my cold dead hands.

• 1:30:04Speaker 06

  You know, we, we took your whole life, I mean, you can have the trash can.

• 1:30:08Laci Mosley?

  It wasn't enough.

• 1:30:09Speaker 06

  It's a monkey, you know what I mean? It's the monkey, Paul. You, you wished for a New York Knicks trash can.

• 1:30:15Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:30:15Speaker 06

  And then you ended up, uh, losing everything over the trash can. But you get to keep it.

• 1:30:20Laci Mosley?

  Keep the trash can.

• 1:30:21Speaker 06

  No, we, we're an evil society for that reason.

• 1:30:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:25Speaker 06

  Like, we, we, at the very least, should let people have what they, they stole.

• 1:30:30Laci Mosley?

  Part of me in my heart feels like the person who got her fired, and the person who reported her to the point where they were able to repo the trash can are different people. I almost wonder if it was like, the person saw the woman get fired and was like, we gotta take it further.

• 1:30:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:46Laci Mosley?

  Get the trash can.

• 1:30:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:50Laci Mosley?

  Like, she's already down, guys. It's gotta be another Knicks fan who's like, no, kick a son.

• 1:30:55Speaker 06

  You think, you think the girl in the chair has another girl in the chair?

• 1:30:59Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:31:00Speaker 06

  That serves her, and so on and so forth, until they take everything from you.

• 1:31:05Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:31:05Speaker 06

  That makes sense. It really is, uh, I mean, the internet is a bummer of a place if they don't like you. And, and I bet somebody retweeted the fuck out of her picture enough times that everybody took whatever they needed.

• 1:31:19Laci Mosley?

  And she saw people taking pictures of her, and she's smiling because she's happy the Knicks won. I think she thought she was probably being funny and kitsch. She's like, look at me on the train with my trash can. I'll smile for you. So I think when she first started going viral, she was probably like showing all her friends and really excited because the rea- the reality, I keep telling y'all, if you have a real profession, please stop getting on the internet at your place of business and dancing and doing nonsense. Or if you're not at your place of business, I guess don't embarrass them like this.

• 1:31:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:31:45Laci Mosley?

  But, you know, it's, this is what it can take from you.

• 1:31:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, I, I think, I think she thought she had gotten away with it.

• 1:31:55Speaker 06

  I think she got home and she ate a big steak dinner.

• 1:31:58Laci Mosley?

  And then she threw it in that trash can. All the bones went in that trash can.

• 1:32:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, when they repossessed it.

• 1:32:04Laci Mosley?

  They took that shit out in our living room.

• 1:32:06Speaker 06

  There were a lot of honey chicken bones in there. She was in there getting horny and hungry.

• 1:32:13Speaker 06

  And filling up her New York Knicks trash can.

• 1:32:16Laci Mosley?

  Damn. Damn. How you gonna be? Horny and trash can was wild.

• 1:32:22Speaker 06

  She was having a good fucking week until they got her shit back. That sucks. Yeah.

• 1:32:26Laci Mosley?

  Who's worse? The war criminals and our listener letter story?

• 1:32:30Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 1:32:31Laci Mosley?

  Uh, Jonathan Dupont?

• 1:32:33Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:32:34Laci Mosley?

  Or trash can lady? Rank them.

• 1:32:36Speaker 06

  Fuck, I gotta rank them in order?

• 1:32:37Laci Mosley?

  Rank them.

• 1:32:38Speaker 06

  Okay, from be- from worst to, to best?

• 1:32:41Laci Mosley?

  Either way.

• 1:32:41Speaker 06

  I'm gonna go backwards. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say the, the one, the person who seems the most harmless to me in the, in the sequence, uh, the least harmless would be the, uh, the, the gentleman from Cameroon.

• 1:33:00Speaker 06

  I don't understand foreign wars enough. I'm not gonna make a decision about who's right and who's wrong in this scenario. I'll do some research, and I'll have a different kind of conversation. But, but I'm on drugs, and I'm not ready to make those kinds of political geopol- you know what I mean? Geopolitical decisions.

• 1:33:22Laci Mosley?

  So why would you put him last for safety? Why would you put him first for safety?

• 1:33:25Speaker 06

  Because to me, he sounds like a complicated guy. A complicated guy I don't understand. I say to myself, well, that guy, he's got a lot going on. I'd like to learn more about him.

• 1:33:36Laci Mosley?

  He definitely has a loving family. We know that.

• 1:33:37Speaker 06

  He's got a wife and, and, who cares? And a mother-in-law who's tolerating it.

• 1:33:43Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:33:43Speaker 06

  She's, she's in the mix. You know what I mean?

• 1:33:46Laci Mosley?

  Fair.

• 1:33:47Speaker 06

  I go, she didn't turn her back on them, so maybe, maybe he's okay.

• 1:33:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she makes trips to the bank with, with the daughter-in-law.

• 1:33:54Speaker 06

  He seems like a pretty good guy to me, is where, where I stand on that.

• 1:33:59Laci Mosley?

  Number two.

• 1:34:00Speaker 06

  Number two? Number two, I go, I go probably the French, uh, Creole gentleman.

• 1:34:12Speaker 06

  I think that, I think that he is at least motivating a community.

• 1:34:16Laci Mosley?

  He's Haitian and motivating a community.

• 1:34:20Speaker 06

  I think he's inspiring a lot of people.

• 1:34:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:23Speaker 06

  To, to believe.

• 1:34:24Laci Mosley?

  I'm headed to the beach. I will do a push-up on a rock.

• 1:34:26Speaker 06

  I think, I think some niggas need help believing in themselves.

• 1:34:31Laci Mosley?

  You're not wrong. And you know what? Even low-vibration niggas need help believing in themselves, okay?

• 1:34:36Speaker 06

  I got the people I listen to.

• 1:34:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:38Speaker 06

  Terrence Howard, Tyrese, the what and the not.

• 1:34:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:42Speaker 06

  But, but, but some people need what, what that brother is putting out, so I say to myself, he probably made a few dudes a little bit better, and that adds a net positive to the world.

• 1:34:54Laci Mosley?

  Damn.

• 1:34:55Speaker 06

  And the greatest villain in my mind is a person who, who, in the, in, in a already complicated state of the world, who knows the harm that, that, that pollution does to a planet that is already suffering. We are literally killing ourselves. Water is turning brown because these motherfuckers are building data centers. We need to come together more than ever to agree that, that we keep this thing

• 1:35:25Laci Mosley?

  This planet.

• 1:35:25Speaker 06

  This safe. And for you to dump trash on the ground because of a trash can you wanna keep, knowing that that's wrong, knowing that somebody has to clean this up, you're a vile motherfucker, go to hell.

• 1:35:40Laci Mosley?

  Damn. I don't know, you've made some very convincing arguments, especially because you did this in Mom Donnie's stand. You know how hard that man worked.

• 1:35:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:35:46Laci Mosley?

  Okay, why would you do that?

• 1:35:48Speaker 06

  He, the-

• 1:35:49Laci Mosley?

  And why couldn't you take that trash can and find another trash can and shake the trash into that?

• 1:35:53Speaker 06

  Yeah. Mom Donnie is swimming in his suit because he doesn't have enough time to change.

• 1:35:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:58Speaker 06

  This is not-

• 1:35:59Laci Mosley?

  I think he showers in his suit. You see when he put his Knicks jersey on, it was over the suit.

• 1:36:03Speaker 06

  He ain't got time to change, so, bro, don't waste his time.

• 1:36:08Laci Mosley?

  Don't waste his time.

• 1:36:09Speaker 06

  My guy is really trying to work it out.

• 1:36:11Laci Mosley?

  He is. By the time he gets out of office, his ass gonna be so fat.

• 1:36:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:36:14Laci Mosley?

  Because he's really-

• 1:36:15Speaker 06

  He gonna be thick.

• 1:36:16Laci Mosley?

  He gonna be thick as fuck.

• 1:36:17Speaker 06

  And his grandchildren, we're all gonna think-

• 1:36:20Laci Mosley?

  The thickest grandchildren.

• 1:36:21Speaker 06

  This is a new generation of Kardashians that we are ushering in.

• 1:36:25Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:36:25Speaker 06

  Of just inexplicably thick girls. Science could explain it.

• 1:36:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:36:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I love that. You know what? I'm gonna stand, I'm gonna stand with your ranking. You, you've convinced me. I'm absolutely convinced. And Langston, thank you for so- thank you so much for being on the show.

• 1:36:42Speaker 06

  What a pleasure.

• 1:36:43Laci Mosley?

  It's always a good time seeing you.

• 1:36:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:36:45Laci Mosley?

  You look great. You look moisturized.

• 1:36:46Speaker 06

  Thanks. I tried.

• 1:36:47Laci Mosley?

  Even though before we started recording, I asked you if I was asking, and you refused to answer, which felt like a betrayal.

• 1:36:52Speaker 06

  It's not, it's not. You asked, you, you have to tell the whole story because-

• 1:36:56Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so I asked my producer, Joe L.

• 1:36:57Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:36:58Laci Mosley?

  But we were in different lighting.

• 1:36:59Speaker 06

  Uh-huh.

• 1:37:00Laci Mosley?

  And I, I was trying to check again when we got in here, and you were like, you refused.

• 1:37:03Speaker 06

  I, I, I outright refused. I spit on the floor, and I shouldn't act like that. I shouldn't act like that, I agree. But, but I said to myself, no, I, and I said it to you, you all have to learn to trust each other.

• 1:37:16Laci Mosley?

  I feel like you were instigating, you was trying to start a fight.

• 1:37:18Speaker 06

  I'm gonna bring-

• 1:37:18Laci Mosley?

  We do trust each other. Why can't I ask for another opinion in different lighting?

• 1:37:22Speaker 06

  If Vin Diesel has taught us anything, this shit gotta be about family.

• 1:37:26Laci Mosley?

  It does. You're right.

• 1:37:27Speaker 06

  You understand?

• 1:37:28Laci Mosley?

  You're right.

• 1:37:28Speaker 06

  Y'all gotta become a family if this is gonna work. You're in the studio now, Lacey.

• 1:37:33Laci Mosley?

  Fast fraud.

• 1:37:33Speaker 06

  Whatever, whatever that Zoom shit is, you gotta leave that in the past. You in, you in the studio. You gotta take this seriously. Y'all gotta come together.

• 1:37:44Laci Mosley?

  finesse, please.

• 1:37:46Speaker 06

  Now, I'm sorry I had to talk to you guys like this. I'm meeting most of you for the first time. That's no way to speak to strangers, but I mean what I'm saying. Come together. You're family now.

• 1:37:58Laci Mosley?

  If Langston opens a convenience store, run, okay? Run. He's doing too much community organizing, and I don't know what's gonna end up.

• 1:38:05Speaker 06

  Standing outside doing this.

• 1:38:07Laci Mosley?

  No, that's my daughter's name. That's sign language. It's my daughter's name.

• 1:38:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's sign language. She is the-

• 1:38:13Laci Mosley?

  That's my brimstone hair rub. All right, well, where would you like to be found? And where people can catch you, things you got coming out?

• 1:38:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, uh, you can find me at Langston Kerman on all social media platforms. You can follow me there and, and, uh, listen to my podcast with David Borey called My Momma Told Me. It's, it's, it's about black conspiracy theories. But mostly, it's us just talking shit, and, and it's, it's a good time, yeah.

• 1:38:37Laci Mosley?

  Yes. I love that. And you guys can find me at D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacey, on all platforms. And if you wanna see the photos and the videos, if you're listening to us right now, you can see those on our Instagram at Scam Goddess Pod. Get on there. And even if you're watching, wherever you, leave a comment, okay? Do something kind for a black woman today. Get on Apple Podcasts, give five stars. And instead of being a hater who's clocking a crunch bar at the grocery store, instead of hating on a mother who might be putting a little Similac in her backpack,

• 1:39:08Speaker 06

  Uh-huh.

• 1:39:08Laci Mosley?

  you could be uplifting me and then telling your friends about that at dinner parties, okay? Think about that, okay?

• 1:39:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:39:15Laci Mosley?

  Okay?

• 1:39:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:39:16Laci Mosley?

  Especially, especially all my white people out there with one black friend that you like to talk to racism about.

• 1:39:21Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:39:22Laci Mosley?

  You only talk to them about it, never your other white friends. You're like, gosh, Keisha, the world today, right?

• 1:39:27Speaker 06

  You know she, you know she understands where you're coming from.

• 1:39:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but she already knows because she's Keisha. You need to go talk to Cliff.

• 1:39:34Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:39:35Laci Mosley?

  And let him know what's going on.

• 1:39:36Speaker 06

  That's a different black person you're not used to talking to.

• 1:39:38Laci Mosley?

  Damn, you're right, and I know Cliff. I got an Asian name, Cliff.

• 1:39:43Laci Mosley?

  You gotta go talk to Chatsworth, okay?

• 1:39:44Speaker 06

  No, I'm with you. I'm hearing you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:46Laci Mosley?

  Okay, let them know what's going on, because we already know it's black people. You can't be like, damn, I know, you're black, right? Do you know what's happening to black people? Yes, it's happening to me. I'm one of the ilk. So if you wanna go and brag to your, that one black friend, you can tell her that you gave us five stars today.

• 1:40:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:40:02Laci Mosley?

  That you made a black woman's day.

• 1:40:04Speaker 06

  That's, that's, that would be a nice thing.

• 1:40:06Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:40:06Speaker 06

  Act right. Do that.

• 1:40:07Laci Mosley?

  Do that, all right? Thank you so much for being here, Langston.

• 1:40:11Speaker 06

  What a fun time.

• 1:40:12Laci Mosley?

  And congregation, I want y'all to get out there. And remember, F.

• 1:40:18Speaker 06

  A.

• 1:40:18Laci Mosley?

  R. A. U.

• 1:40:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:40:23Laci Mosley?

  D.

• 1:40:26Speaker 06

  Finally returning.

• 1:40:28Laci Mosley?

  Rich.

• 1:40:29Speaker 06

  Rich, yeah, finally rich.

• 1:40:30Laci Mosley?

  After, finally, rich.

• 1:40:33Speaker 06

  After un.

• 1:40:35Laci Mosley?

  Employment?

• 1:40:37Speaker 06

  No, it was undeniable.

• 1:40:38Laci Mosley?

  After un- usurping.

• 1:40:41Speaker 06

  Un.

• 1:40:42Laci Mosley?

  After, hold on, y'all.

• 1:40:44Speaker 06

  After unbelievable.

• 1:40:46Laci Mosley?

  Un- unbelievable, finally rich after unbelievable deception?

• 1:40:51Speaker 06

  Uh, determination.

• 1:40:52Laci Mosley?

  Doubt, determination.

• 1:40:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, after un.

• 1:40:55Laci Mosley?

  And still I rise. And, and still I scam.

• 1:40:59Speaker 06

  Un, yeah.

• 1:41:00Laci Mosley?

  Okay? And, and don't look it up.

• 1:41:03Speaker 06

  Finally rich after underwear and drawers.

• 1:41:06Laci Mosley?

  That's it, that's the one.

• 1:41:10Laci Mosley?

  Scam, car, robbery, and fraud.

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