The Sweepstakes Scammers w/ Tone Bell (Fraud Friday)

In this week’s Fraud Friday, Laci is joined by comedian and actor Tone Bell (Survival of the Thickest) to discuss a group of men in the 1980s who created a sweepstakes company that barely created any winnings. Plus, a 19-year-old has been caught scamming $37,000 from 439 concerned donors after falsely claiming that she had pancreatic cancer. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 03/06/2023) Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Tone Bell: @tonebell Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES https://nypost.com/2023/01/31/madison-russo-19-charged-in-gofundme-cancer-scam/ https://www.newyorker.com/news/american-chronicles/donald-trump-and-the-sweepstakes-scammers https://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/stories/2002/09/23/newscolumn2.html https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/09/29/Five-charged-in-corporate-sweepstakes-scam/5185623044800/

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:33Speaker 02

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• 2:26Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall. And as always, stay schemin'.

• 3:08Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome back to another episode of Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We'll see along the way. Congregation, y'all know what I am. You know what it is. I'm very, yes, excited, elated for today's guest. What a get, y'all. Today, we have an amazing stand-up comedian, actor, and the host of Netflix's Drink Masters. Check out his first action movie, Trigger Warning, coming out soon on Netflix. Congregation, please welcome Tone Bell to the show. Hey, Tone!

• 3:42Speaker 07

  That was beautiful.

• 3:42Laci Mosley?

  Thank you, because they gonna hear the edited version, so they not even gonna know.

• 3:46Speaker 07

  Oh, well done, well done. Now, that take one was beautiful.

• 3:49Laci Mosley?

  Tone, I don't know if you know this, but we've run into each other a couple of times. And you know a couple. It's Erica, and I can't remember her husband's name right now, but he bald. Anyway, they love you and told me about you years ago.

• 4:04Speaker 07

  Oh, boy.

• 4:05Laci Mosley?

  Don't even try.

• 4:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't get, and don't get me in trouble.

• 4:09Laci Mosley?

  I won't. I went to Vegas with my mom, my dad, and they're like a part of the friend group. And so I was literally at cabanas and bottle service with my mom and my dad. It was crazy.

• 4:19Speaker 07

  First of all, that's pretty dope. Like, my mom would kick it like that, my dad would be like, it is loud out here. And I mean, also, he kind of a creep now. He don't know he not staring.

• 4:29Laci Mosley?

  I was wondering where you were going with that. Okay, yeah, you do get to a certain age where you just, you get the freedom to just stare at people. Cause like, old people, they will stare at you and then you look at them in their eye and they'll be like, no, I'm still staring. What's up? Okay.

• 4:42Speaker 07

  You ever notice them dudes, like, I would see it occasionally, cause like, I would, I would see them old dudes when like, the, the, remember when the watches, you had the cameras on them? You know what I'm talking about? Like, like, five years ago, they had like, the smart watch with the camera on it. And so you see a bunch of dudes like over sixty, just like, acting like they looking for something, but they just doing, like, eyes up and then looking at the watch.

• 5:00Laci Mosley?

  But they videotaping booty?

• 5:01Speaker 07

  Oh, man.

• 5:02Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 5:03Speaker 07

  Oh, man. I, I see it all the time. It's like, bro, bro, you gotta get cleaner about that.

• 5:09Laci Mosley?

  That sounds like some technology. People were just like, I don't know, what, what'll make people think this is different? A wa- with a camera, cause that's what you need on your watch.

• 5:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, I, I don't nobody need that. Don't nobody need a camera on their watch. James Bond, you ain't James Bond, get outta here.

• 5:24Laci Mosley?

  Right, I ain't back the P I for the, for that generation. Like, what are we doing? I don't need those spy kids ass technology on my watch. Just tell time. Maybe some texts. That's it. No, that's so funny. So, Tone, on this podcast, we always ask our guests, what's your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Have you ever run some scams that are outside of statute of limitations? It could be anything.

• 5:47Speaker 07

  Hate it when it happens to me, love it when it's a low level crime and people get away with it. And yes, I used to have a, um, in my former life, decades ago. I, uh, you know, I had some things going. I mean, I would call it being a thief or stealing. But, uh, but yeah, I'm a different person now, and now I, I have things to lose, so I don't take from anyone else. But yeah, I, I used to, I used to get away with some stuff back in the day. And then I have been scammed. Yes, I have been scammed. Well, I won't say scam, but I have almost fallen for something that I thought was, that definitely wasn't scams, excuse me.

• 6:17Laci Mosley?

  Wait, what was it?

• 6:19Speaker 07

  Man, some chick I dated back in college, out of nowhere, it hit me saying she was in Africa and she needed me to Western Union her some money and I didn't know this thing was going around. Do you remember when that was going around back in the day of like?

• 6:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 6:31Speaker 07

  I need two thousand dollars because I can't get my flight back, so can you Western Union me the money? And I was like, I was like, oh, I was like, oh shit, Vicky's in trouble. And she hasn't called me in years, so I know it's gotta be, I mean, and I'm out here calling Western Union like, yo, I don't have it in cash, but I can take this credit card I'm good for and they're like, we don't, sir, we don't do credit. And who is this for? And I was like, y'all don't have this number? And they're like, yeah, but it's not attached to no Vicky. And I was like, so then I just hit her on like Facebook. I think Facebook was still popping at the time. Facebook or my, maybe shit, it might have been MySpace.

• 7:04Laci Mosley?

  Vicky must have been a baddie. You weren't even with Vicky anymore and you're on the phone like Liam Neeson from Taken, trying to save her from Africa?

• 7:11Speaker 07

  We had a very mature.

• 7:12Laci Mosley?

  General Africa?

• 7:14Speaker 07

  They just said Africa. There wasn't no, no country, no city. I was like, yo, we gotta go get her.

• 7:20Laci Mosley?

  All continent, the whole continent.

• 7:22Speaker 07

  We had to find Vicky, y'all. But we had a very mature separation from, uh, how things dissolved in college.

• 7:29Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I like that. See y'all, y'all have to have amicable breakups so that you can call up your ex and be like, I need two thousand dollars to get out of general Africa.

• 7:38Speaker 07

  And then I, and I was like, after we talked and she was like, no, I'm in Houston. What you talking about? Yeah, it was, it was, uh, so I don't fall for that shit no more, but you gotta send me, if you wanna, if you wanna get money from me, you gotta send me a bill. I need to know where it came from. I need to see the bill. That's how I send money now, if I'm a send.

• 7:53Laci Mosley?

  I love that. Uh, what, now, did they contact you through email? Was it a text message? Like, how did the scammer pretend to be Vicky?

• 8:00Speaker 07

  Through the email. Yeah, cuz I had the logo.

• 8:02Laci Mosley?

  They hacked her email.

• 8:03Speaker 07

  They had the logo and all that.

• 8:04Laci Mosley?

  The logo?

• 8:05Speaker 07

  The Western Union logo.

• 8:06Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I didn't know you could PayPal request on Western Union, like, to send people a link. That's different. Also, very funny to be told that you were gonna put her life saving on, uh, credit. You were like, uh, I need to split it between four cards.

• 8:22Speaker 07

  That's exactly what I was gonna do. I was like, I ain't got it, but I can get it.

• 8:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you're a good friend. I love that.

• 8:28Speaker 07

  I'm a great friend. I'm a great friend.

• 8:30Laci Mosley?

  If you get an email from my email just saying, I'm stuck in general Africa, you know, go ahead. I know you got money, so go ahead and, uh, send it to cash.

• 8:37Speaker 07

  General Africa is so funny, by the way.

• 8:41Speaker 07

  Not even a coast. They did the email didn't have a coast in it?

• 8:45Laci Mosley?

  No, not a zip code, not nothing. How, what airport are you flying out of, sis?

• 8:49Speaker 07

  Bruh, bruh, I was.

• 8:51Laci Mosley?

  And flights change depending on what airports you're at. So if you're just in general Africa, like it's different to fly from Egypt than it is to fly from South Africa. I'm confused.

• 9:00Speaker 07

  I never thought about it to just now, but like she must've been good to me because there's some other people that could have called him and like, she's gonna have to be in Africa.

• 9:07Laci Mosley?

  She gonna have to stay in whatever country she had.

• 9:09Speaker 07

  Latoya, Latoya gonna have to just stay in Africa. Ain't nothing I could do for Latoya. This, it didn't go well the first time. Why would I bring her back?

• 9:17Laci Mosley?

  It's like, it's probably good for me that she not in the country no more. This is probably, she could get a job over there. There's plenty of thriving countries in Africa. She gonna do well.

• 9:25Speaker 07

  I would have answered the collect call from Vicky, but Latoya, I'd have been, I'd have let that go to voicemail.

• 9:28Laci Mosley?

  Oh, man. You would have, you would have kept, uh, Latoya in the Friday night bookings over the weekend?

• 9:33Speaker 07

  No, she was a talker. She'd have got out of it.

• 9:35Laci Mosley?

  I love that for both of us.

• 9:42Laci Mosley?

  And it's time for what's hot and fried. This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams and the zeitgeist more often than not these days. We get a letter from you all as always. Snitch on your friends, your family, Latoya, your enemies. At [email protected]. Just make sure the scam's retired. So retired. So we don't want, yes, fuck up your bag. Amen. So Tone, I need a fake name from you. We don't care about gender. It could be anything.

• 10:06Speaker 07

  Uh, Lazarus Samuels.

• 10:08Laci Mosley?

  Lazarus? Now, ooh, from the body. Love it.

• 10:13Speaker 07

  I mean, you know, he don't get enough love.

• 10:17Speaker 07

  Laz, Laz Samuels.

• 10:19Laci Mosley?

  I feel like Lazarus wasn't a great dude. Laz, Laz. I love that. I love Lazarus.

• 10:22Speaker 07

  Laz Simpson. Let's go with Laz Simpson.

• 10:25Laci Mosley?

  Why is Simpson necessary? I don't understand.

• 10:29Speaker 07

  I like a good two-some- of last name. Laz Simpson. Don't he sound like, he'll sound like somebody who'll pick your pocket, but go ahead.

• 10:35Laci Mosley?

  Laz sounds sketchy as hell. I don't think if I ever met a Laz Simpson that I would, you know, do any business engagements with them. It's just like the name Matthew. Like every Matt is a scam. Like y'all not getting me.

• 10:46Speaker 07

  You don't trust no Matthew?

• 10:47Laci Mosley?

  It's too many of y'all. Uh-uh. It's too many of y'all.

• 10:49Speaker 07

  I feel like Laz Simpson is somebody who would say Laz and then say his whole name. Laz, Laz Simpson.

• 10:54Laci Mosley?

  It is. It almost gives me sportscaster, like a retired football player. And we have Laz Simpson on the field.

• 11:02Speaker 07

  It's been a long time since we've seen Laz Simpson.

• 11:05Laci Mosley?

  Love this for us. That reminds me of Best Man Holiday and the only reason I bring this up is because, have you seen it? The, the TV show that they did?

• 11:13Speaker 07

  Oh, no. Oh, you talking about the, um?

• 11:15Laci Mosley?

  What's it called? Uh, Best, Best Man, but it's TV show? I don't know the name.

• 11:19Speaker 07

  Oh, wait, Christmas? Yes, yes, you're right. Go ahead.

• 11:21Laci Mosley?

  They have Morris Chestnut's forty-five-year-old self returning to the NFL as a running back and everybody was like, what?

• 11:29Speaker 07

  Man, enough people didn't talk about that because I definitely have not watched it. It's on my queue, but yeah, that's, that should have been trending. I did not see that.

• 11:36Laci Mosley?

  That's a plot hole. Like, come on now. He could maybe come back as a quarterback, like try to do a Tom Brady.

• 11:40Speaker 07

  No, a kicker. You can't do nothing at forty-five. You can't do nothing at forty-five in the league. Not off that long. You gotta be, you gotta come right back. You gotta come right back.

• 11:49Laci Mosley?

  He gotta come back as a water boy.

• 11:51Speaker 07

  I mean, that's still training in the summer being like, I think I changed my mind. That's not taking six, eight seasons, a decade off and then coming back and be like, I still got it.

• 11:59Laci Mosley?

  And they tried to make it like, oh, he looks great out there. And look, this is not ages, okay? This is just what happens to your body and you definitely can't go back to the NFL at forty-five. I was very confused, but we just let it rock, okay? Because nostalgia, it was tasty. So, Lance Simpson says, I'm a wedding photographer in Utica, New York. Last week I received a message from a bride whose wedding I second shot last summer, meaning I work freelance for another photographer. The photographer who was the primary photographer or photography vendor for this woman is refusing to give her her wedding photos. Now, I picked this because I've heard of fake wedding photographers who are like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna shoot you. Yeah, give me my deposit.

• 12:39Laci Mosley?

  And then I'm gonna pull up on your special day and I'm gonna flick it up. We gonna get photos of everything. Your, your something borrowed, your something new, your something blue. Hell, we get your toes, we get your ankle bracelet, like whatever you want. Yeah, and then they just don't come.

• 12:52Speaker 07

  Oh, didn't even show up?

• 12:53Laci Mosley?

  Yes, like that's the normal scam that I've heard of, but I've never heard of somebody coming to the wedding, taking all the photos and then be like, you can't.

• 13:02Speaker 07

  See, I have heard that though.

• 13:04Laci Mosley?

  You have? Are you married?

• 13:05Speaker 07

  No.

• 13:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 13:06Speaker 07

  I've seen that twice. Like, never got the photos. Showed up, ate.

• 13:12Laci Mosley?

  Definitely ate.

• 13:13Speaker 07

  Ate, had a meal, danced, open bar, drank, no photos. No photos. Been there for them.

• 13:21Laci Mosley?

  I feel like I would know I wasn't getting photos if the wedding photographer is over here having a full plate, you know, a, a, a fish or a chicken option and they're drinking at the bar. Bro, you are at work. You're supposed to be taking photos of people. What you mean you over here? Let me get three shots of Casamigos. You are the wedding photographer.

• 13:38Speaker 07

  Just wearing three cameras, but not shooting none of them.

• 13:42Laci Mosley?

  Just in costume. You see the wedding photographer doing the electric slide. Bro, you're supposed to be taking pictures of that. What are you doing?

• 13:49Speaker 07

  He got a piece of asparagus. He got a spear in one hand and then he just like, no, got you. Got him.

• 13:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. I do not want to see the wedding photographer at the bouquet toss. Like, let me get, I want to get married next. You're not supposed to be a part of this.

• 14:02Laci Mosley?

  You weren't supposed to be on the periphery. We shouldn't really notice you. You should be taking photos of our happy moment. Not you all in it. That's too much.

• 14:08Speaker 07

  But like, that's, it's better now because at least you know people you know got photos if somebody scam. Like fifteen years ago, if they did that shit, then you, you just, you out of there unless you got a

• 14:21Speaker 07

  like the.

• 14:22Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. You got a, oh, a Kodak or?

• 14:24Speaker 07

  The, um.

• 14:25Laci Mosley?

  I love that we don't even know what it's called.

• 14:26Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 14:28Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, you gotta get divorced if you don't have no footage from your wedding. What are you gonna look back on when you're like, oh, he let this dirty drawers in the bathroom again. Like, what are you gonna reminisce on to keep you in love if you don't have those photos?

• 14:39Speaker 07

  Cause you gotta, you gotta have that photo on like, even when you mad, you gotta, you gotta walk past it to be like, this is why I'm in it. This is why I'm in it. This is why I'm in it.

• 14:46Laci Mosley?

  Remember, remember the good times.

• 14:47Speaker 07

  But that's the thing, like you gotta, before they leave, you'll hire a photographer. Before they leave, be like, give me a copy of the raw images before you leave, before you start touching up. So at least I got a backup.

• 14:57Laci Mosley?

  Right. Cause you can send them to anybody to get them touched up. Let this be a lesson because the wedding photo, this is not the first time I've heard of wedding photography scams. It's the first time I've heard of them doing the job, but then just saying, you can't have it, which is wild.

• 15:10Speaker 07

  That's crazy.

• 15:10Laci Mosley?

  It's like getting in an Uber and, and like, you're like, oh, it's right here. And they're like, no, I'm gonna keep driving. Please let me out.

• 15:16Speaker 07

  I need to run by the house real quick. Man, we are not going by your house. We are not going to your house.

• 15:21Laci Mosley?

  Two seconds. I'm gonna stop and edit out, cause I gotta get some food for my kids and then I'm gonna drop it off at the house and then I'mma, I'mma swerve back. I'mma flip a bitch and get you over there.

• 15:31Speaker 07

  I'll admit this, I worked at a drugstore in high school and me and the dude that worked the photo department had a scam going where we would do, I told you, I didn't always live this life.

• 15:41Laci Mosley?

  And I love this for you.

• 15:42Speaker 07

  I didn't, I didn't always, I didn't always live this, you know, very stable, above board life. You know, like especially like when you come in and bring your little camera rolls, right? From a wedding, people bring them in, I mean, they got eight, ten, twenty rolls. And then so we'd already go, all right, we're gonna print these free, we'll take out all the dummy, all the bad ones. And then all the good ones we'll throw in there and it'd be like, I don't know, three, four hundred dollars worth of photos. And we straight up just go, look, man, come back, seven o'clock on Sunday. We got all your photos, go pick out some frames, bring them up here, we put a whole box together. And then give us two fifty cash and then you get all the shit you want.

• 16:19Laci Mosley?

  I love that, that's scamming big corporations, they've been scamming us, I'm not mad.

• 16:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, I don't take from, I'm Robin Hood, we don't take from the little guys.

• 16:25Laci Mosley?

  I love that, that's what we're all about in this podcast. I also love like seeing Hustle Man at the twenty-four hour photo, like, hey, man, just seven o'clock, come back, have cash, be discreet. Put it, put it in a picture frame, put it in the picture frame, but right be- below the eight by ten with the white people and they dog. Put it in there and then slide it over.

• 16:45Speaker 07

  We was out here getting cash, cash.

• 16:48Laci Mosley?

  Cause those photos are not worth what they're charging for them anyway, so everybody wins.

• 16:53Speaker 07

  They not.

• 16:55Speaker 07

  That's actually when I've seen our first, uh, when I was working the photo department, that's when I seen my first, uh, nude selfies.

• 17:02Laci Mosley?

  See, that's what I always thought about and I saw, there is like a movie, maybe it's twenty-four hour photo or something like that. Where they do develop like, what, I, y'all were bold back in the day, like y'all wanted news so bad before smartphones that you were like, I gotta get these developed. And then put them in the mail, not mail news.

• 17:19Speaker 07

  Got story about that too.

• 17:20Laci Mosley?

  Y'all got stamps.

• 17:23Speaker 07

  But I mean, for like, but you'd be like, you fifteen, sixteen, working at this drugstore, so you, and then when the person that come pick them up, you'd be like.

• 17:30Laci Mosley?

  Here you go.

• 17:31Speaker 07

  Ma'am, ma'am, here you go.

• 17:34Laci Mosley?

  Also, taking news on a disposable camera is hilarious to me because you have no idea if you really got the shot. Like if you're doing it on your cellphone, you can look and be like, oh, let me turn my body to the left or whatever, but if you're doing it on a disposable camera, you don't even know what you took.

• 17:48Speaker 07

  That's like waiting on results.

• 17:52Speaker 07

  That's like waiting on the real results. You like, I gotta wait five days.

• 17:58Laci Mosley?

  To see if my news go clear? And then I gotta take my news to USPS?

• 18:03Speaker 07

  You ever got news, you ever got news, you ever got news in the mail?

• 18:05Laci Mosley?

  I have not received any news in the mail. No, I have not. Have you?

• 18:09Speaker 07

  Well, one, one out of two of us has, yeah.

• 18:11Laci Mosley?

  One out of two. Y'all have to do the math to figure it out, who, who it is. But, so, oh god. So were they in like a regular letter? Was it FedEx?

• 18:21Speaker 07

  Photo out.

• 18:22Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 18:23Speaker 07

  With the sticky pages, with the sticky pages. Where you put them, it was captioned, with like a written caption.

• 18:29Laci Mosley?

  Caption? That's a coffee table book.

• 18:31Speaker 07

  Oh, it was straight up blue. It was blue with the gold trim. And it was, it was like you could flip through it and went from, uh, it went from clothed to butt naked.

• 18:42Laci Mosley?

  Wow. And there's some intrigue to it because it's like we started with the clothes on and then slowly, that's, that's art.

• 18:49Speaker 07

  Very good storyteller she was.

• 18:52Laci Mosley?

  Love that for her. Love that for her. What the dedication, okay?

• 18:56Speaker 07

  Oh, arts and crafts, arts and crafts.

• 18:58Laci Mosley?

  Right. She got some star stickers in there. It was yard. It was a little yard around the titties on one.

• 19:04Speaker 07

  You bullshit. That's what it looked like. It was all kinda stuff in there. The effort was real.

• 19:09Laci Mosley?

  Going to Joanne's Fabrics to send news is wild.

• 19:14Laci Mosley?

  That's wild. She was like, wait, where do y'all keep the photo albums? Okay, great. And then where is the glitter glue? Thank you so much. That's wild. That's wild, Tone. You really, you really got him out here. I love that for you.

• 19:28Speaker 07

  I used to live life, that's my old me.

• 19:30Laci Mosley?

  Listen, delivered, delivered. We all have a past and I, I love it. So, the photo, the primary photographer was refusing to give the wedding photos. After two weeks of correspondence with the bride, we found that there are sixteen, in all caps, brides that she knows of who have not received their wedding photos dating back to 2019. The brides who do get their photos back had to fight tooth and nail. And even then, only got about forty preview shots. So there were some brides who popped the trunk on the photographer and were like, listen, aluminum bats are very cheap online and we come in.

• 20:03Speaker 07

  You gotta pull up, you gotta pull up on them. You gotta pull up on them.

• 20:06Laci Mosley?

  You got a bridezilla.

• 20:07Speaker 07

  I mean, like, that's probably somebody, you probably had to contact somebody else who's about to have a wedding, who they just hired to pull up on somebody else's wedding. That's not at a gas station. You pull up at somebody else's wedding.

• 20:17Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 20:18Speaker 07

  You ruined somebody's wedding trying to get your photo.

• 20:20Laci Mosley?

  I feel like they were probably stalking this person. They go to the, the place of business, the studio, and then they follow him to the gas station. And when they got the pump in the car, they like, bitch. They wa- they sitting there with a match like, unless, I'mma light this whole bitch on fire if you don't give me my nuptial photos.

• 20:36Speaker 07

  There's like that.

• 20:36Laci Mosley?

  Right now.

• 20:37Speaker 07

  Was that, uh, uh, Gerard Butler movie? Where like the police wouldn't do nothing, so he's like, I'mma go find him myself. Like you try to call, and he's like, I'mma just, I'mma take matters into my own hands. And then you just going out, you become somebody that you not even, like, you didn't even think you was gonna be this person? You kicking down doors, where my fucking photos?

• 20:54Laci Mosley?

  Everybody on the ground. And somebody get the USB drive. Right now.

• 20:59Speaker 07

  Where your SIM card, motherf- like you, you just.

• 21:05Laci Mosley?

  Taking all of them. So, last sentence says, I'm in a group with about five brides, uh, at the moment, and they have a similar story. The clients wait the time stated in the contract before they start asking for their photos, and then they start reaching out for an ETA. She continues to put, uh, put it off, making various excuses, such as she's busy with high-profile magazine shoots, a brand-new studio, her kids, and sudden myster- mysterious medical issues. So she was like, I'm sick. Also, I'm shooting for Vogue. A- a- also, I got, uh, babies and, and so I can't give you your pho- what? None of these excuses, like.

• 21:40Speaker 07

  I got a question. I got a question. Do you think that this person, this photographer, let's say, let's, let's start at the beginning. Wedding number one. I have a question about this. Not the first wedding in the story, but this photographer's first wedding. Do you think this person happened upon a camera and was like, ooh, I'mma shoot weddings? Right? And then.

• 22:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 07

  Throughout these weddings, it wasn't that they didn't have the photos, it's that they was all bullshit. These photos are trash. They don't know how to use this camera, the lighting is bad. So really, you taking the money. Yes, it's still a scam, but also, they just a trash-ass photographer.

• 22:14Laci Mosley?

  And the streak, the streaks all across all the photos, everybody eyes red.

• 22:17Speaker 07

  So they just practicing from wedding to wedding until they get better, then she, she gonna actually sell them.

• 22:22Laci Mosley?

  It's giving, I don't know how to do Photoshop. Because.

• 22:25Speaker 07

  Blurry.

• 22:26Laci Mosley?

  The, the photographer's supposed to edit the photos, so maybe they're blurry, out of focus, and also they're, she can't edit them.

• 22:33Speaker 07

  You can't, you can't practice on game night, though. You know what I mean? You gotta, you gotta just get.

• 22:37Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 22:37Speaker 07

  You gotta have a friend put on a dress and go to a park and be like, let me, let me figure this out for you. But you can't be practicing at my wedding.

• 22:44Laci Mosley?

  Right, there's certain things that I don't wanna be the first time that you did it, like, I'm going into surgery, you like, this is my first one, no, no, no, no.

• 22:52Speaker 07

  I don't want no first time pilots, I don't want no first time dentist, I don't want no first time photographers.

• 22:57Laci Mosley?

  Nope. Yeah, there's just certain things, oh, definitely not first time dentist, woo, I've been there, I still beefing with the dentist that I went to at sixteen, who I told her I wasn't numb enough, and then she drilled into my nerve, and I, have you ever had tears shoot out of your eyes involuntarily? Cause that's what happened to me, I feel like dentists are a scam, I feel like they invented rock candy, because that shit looks pretty, but it tastes disgusting, and it fucks up your teeth, I feel like they're into big rock candy, and I'm not fucking with it. Sorry to the DDSs out there, I found me a good one finally, but I had one that scammed me, and then, even, okay, he's, I don't know if I've said this on the podcast, but.

• 23:33Speaker 07

  I need a visual, what tooth, what tooth was it?

• 23:36Laci Mosley?

  Uh, so this is a different dentist, but the, the other one was in my molar, but I've had a lot of bad dentist experience, but this one, I went to his office, and he had Balenciaga pillows, he was playing Bad Bunny on the TV screen, cause I only go to dentists in expensive areas, cause I'm like, you gotta make rent, which means you can't fuck me up, so you gotta be a good dentist.

• 23:53Speaker 07

  Nobody that has sales, no discounts, I want full price, charge me extra, go ahead, I'm, I'm, I'm with you.

• 23:58Laci Mosley?

  No two for one root canals, no, no, no. Buy one, get one, free molar, no, no, no, no, thank you. He was so mean to me, I remember he was like, oh my god, your teeth are in such a bad shape, and da, da, da, da, da, because I had waited through the pandemic, cause like, okay, it's a pandemic, like, the last place I wanna go is someplace where y'all gonna be in my mouth, like, breathing the covid into my tonsils, why would I do that? Absolutely not, so when I went, I had like, some cavities, and he was like, wow, this is like, he was just talking to the hygienist, and I'm like, nigga, I'm here, and he's like, oh, this is so bad, oh, da, da, da, da, da, and even the way he pulled my tooth, I had to have another tooth, my wisdom teeth, I still had them, but I had to get them pulled,

• 24:39Laci Mosley?

  he pulled one of them, and why did this man brace himself, he put one foot on the chair, and then like, was yanking real hard, and I was like, oh, I'm at a prison dentist, and I thought because of the Balenciaga pillows, and the Bad Bunny on the flat screen, and all white, that I was at a fancy dentist. Tell me why this man died? And I had already moved on to another dentist, but this was a few months after I moved on from him. He died and I got an email saying like, oh, he died. But also y'all can keep y'all appointments cuz we gonna keep the the dentistry place open cuz that's what he would have wanted. This man was not sick. He died suddenly. What do you mean that's what he would have wanted? He was sick.

• 25:22Laci Mosley?

  Also, to put all that in one email, like you could have give us one email that was like, y'all terrible news, he died. And then another one like, y'all can keep y'all appointments. It was just like a blurb, like, okay, so he died, but. Hold on. Y'all still coming for y'all cleaning. I was like, excuse me?

• 25:40Speaker 07

  You can pay your respects by keeping your appointment and showing up Tuesday to fifteen. When you said you was gonna be here. Your copay is the same. We'll see y'all there. R I P.

• 25:51Laci Mosley?

  Sign an email, R I P.

• 25:54Laci Mosley?

  Not you can honor him by still coming to your appointments. Okay, that's what they were saying. I was like, this is insane.

• 26:03Speaker 07

  Yo, what's crazy? I've never met anybody else. I've never met anybody else that who had that same experience because that shit happened to me. Years ago too, one of my dad, my dad's engineer, one of my dad's clients. I didn't have dental insurance at the time, so one of my dad's clients was like, oh, I got him. I'll hook him up. Just tell him to bring like eighty dollars cash. This dude numb the tooth, the wrong tooth, and started cutting the different tooth.

• 26:23Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 26:24Speaker 07

  So now he's slicing. And I had like an impact tooth or molar, whatever it's called. And same thing, when you said leg, I re- I felt that. I refelt that leg cuz he threw that leg up like Lisa from Temecula in that, um, SNL skit. Put it on the chair and he, I mean, he get, I mean, he getting in there. I mean, he just like crack, trying to crack it. And I'm like, I don't think. You a dentist. I think you remove teeth. But I don't think you a dentist. I don't think it's what you do for it.

• 26:51Laci Mosley?

  Go like that. I think they just be giving anybody a DDS because then when I went back to my good dentist because I lost him, I didn't know where he was for a while. And when I went back to him, I had, that's another story, I can't do all that. But they, I had to get another wisdom tooth pulled. They numbed me, they did some little thing. And like when I tell you, it was just like the easiest, like painless, no bracing yourself procedure. And I told them, I was like, wait, I, I thought I was gonna have to put the leg on the chair and yank it. And the dentist looked at me horrified. And I was like, yeah, that's what so and so did. And I guess the dental girls know each other in that neighborhood. And he made this face like, oh, yeah, no, you shouldn't have been going.

• 27:30Speaker 07

  Can't believe, you know, uh, you know that dentist used to be a wedding photographer? You like, what?

• 27:36Laci Mosley?

  Truly, truly. So to end this, so we could get on to historic, could we?

• 27:43Laci Mosley?

  Last Simpson says, these brides have seen it all. The photographer has called one bride screaming in the middle of the night, called her new in-laws who have nothing to do with the negotiations and made threat after threat after threat. She states that she's going to archive photos and refund them. However, none of the brides have received a refund. To add insult to injury, this photographer posts herself daily dancing around in lingerie in her new studio, bragging about all the new clients she's taking on. One bride states that she now lives in fear of the woman. Her dad has potentially cancerous tumor and all she wants to do is share the wedding photos of him walking down the aisle. Oh, no. Oh. And then not only is this photographer receiving a minimum of $3,000 from each of the brides and not delivering the photos, but she's also robbing them of their precious memories that have been to hold on happiness their entire lives

• 28:28Laci Mosley?

  and turning it into a living nightmare. Wow. I

• 28:33Speaker 07

  Damn.

• 28:33Laci Mosley?

  Damn. You hit me at the end, Last, because memories are important to people. And it's a takeaway people's memories, especially ones like that where you don't know how much time you have left with the person. Like, that's sick as fuck. Also, you calling people and threatening them, you being Debo about photos that they paid for? What?

• 28:53Speaker 07

  And then I gotta watch you online, enjoy yourself?

• 28:56Laci Mosley?

  That's really the link. That's way, that's.

• 29:00Speaker 07

  Like.

• 29:00Laci Mosley?

  You're doing TikToks, why you?

• 29:02Speaker 07

  I can't, look, if I lend you money, I better not see you on vacation.

• 29:05Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, if I lend you money, I better not see you at Starbucks buying a coffee. I'm like, oh, oh, you got money for, for a flat white, but you can't pay me back?

• 29:13Speaker 07

  What's going on? If I see you, you better have made that yourself. You better have made that yourself. I know, nothing that came with a receipt that you'd have to turn, turn an oven on for. Like, that shit better be homemade. I, them my groceries.

• 29:26Laci Mosley?

  And, and is, and are. Also, you need to really cosplay as like the most down bad. I better not see you in a cute fit. You better wear burlap sacks on the gram until you pay me back. Okay? You better look like a nineteen twenties pickpocket.

• 29:42Speaker 07

  For real.

• 29:43Laci Mosley?

  Until I get my money back.

• 29:44Speaker 07

  For, oh, I am, man, last getting me too. I am, I am upset. I am, I am not happy.

• 29:50Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna see you at no restaurants, not even Applebee's, not even for the two for twenty-two. No, you don't have twenty-two till you pay me back.

• 29:58Speaker 07

  If I run into you, you, you better have a camera with you and a laptop. You better be editing. I'm so far behind. I'm so far behind, girl. I got you as soon as I can. Like, I will, as soon as I can get to you, I will. Like, you better be, you better be stressed. Baby in one arm, laptop, camera slung around. I mean, you better be typing. You got a, you got a old school mouse. You, look, you better be.

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  Constantly sweating.

• 30:23Speaker 07

  Oh, my, I'm, I'm hot. I'm hot.

• 30:26Laci Mosley?

  Uh, but this is, you know, y'all, you have to bet your photographers. I know wedding, wedding, when you put wedding on anything, it's a scam. We've said that a million times on this podcast. Y'all better tell them y'all having a love party and, and so you can get the price down. But bet your photographers. If you find a photographer you like, go online, see if they have, go on Facebook, search their name on the internet, make sure that they, because the girls will talk when they've been wronged. So Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.

• 30:51Speaker 07

  Oh, yes, they will. Girls will talk when they have been wronged. Just, and that applies for a lot, not just wedding photography, but go ahead.

• 30:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh, men too.

• 30:58Speaker 07

  I mean, yeah.

• 30:59Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 30:59Speaker 07

  Sometimes.

• 31:00Laci Mosley?

  Have you seen all these podcasts with the men? And I don't even think they were wronged.

• 31:06Laci Mosley?

  We, we need to stop selling mics to cisgendered men until we figure out what the hell is going on because y'all don't need microphones. Tone, you good, but it's a lot of, it's a lot of your counterparts.

• 31:17Speaker 07

  I've gotten better. I've gotten better.

• 31:19Laci Mosley?

  If you say females on the regular, you do not need podcasting.

• 31:22Speaker 07

  That's difficult.

• 31:25Speaker 07

  I'm from Atlanta. It took me a long time to stop saying females because I'm from Atlanta and that's just how we talk, but I've gotten better.

• 31:33Laci Mosley?

  And I love that for you. You don't scam, you don't say females. What a glow up.

• 31:37Speaker 07

  I, I thank you. We're my gold star. Gold star for Marcus.

• 31:42Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 31:49Laci Mosley?

  And we are back for Historic Hid Wings, my favorite part of the podcast. I will regale Tone with a famous con caper group of criminals. We don't know yet. We're going to see you, just like you. Uh, I do have a note at the top because you know, we don't scam journalists. This story is primarily researched from Jeff Masha's New York article, Donald Trump and the Sweepstakes Scammers. Content warning, there is a mention of substance abuse. All right. So we're going back to the eighties, which that makes sense for a mention of substance abuse because apparently everyone was on cocaine. So in the 1980s, sweepstakes were a craze. Right before they started putting fentanyl in it.

• 32:26Speaker 07

  I would have tried it in the eighties. This, this, this day, I can't try it. If I was growing in the eighties, I might've given it a shot.

• 32:31Laci Mosley?

  But one of my favorite jokes in Black Monday, which I waited too long to watch. Shout out to y'all, Sir Lester.

• 32:36Speaker 07

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 32:37Laci Mosley?

  To the office. It's all about like Wall Street people, which are notorious for doing cocaine to this day. Someone comes in the office, uh, who does the drug deal and he's like, hey y'all, I got a new drug. It's called crack. And everyone was like, oh, that sounds dope. Let me limp two cracks, please.

• 32:57Speaker 07

  So new people don't know how to order that shit yet?

• 33:00Laci Mosley?

  No, because it's hot on the streets. And when you think about it, that's the risk you're taking with every drug you've never taken before. You know, people are like, oh, I popped a molly or whatever, but like, yeah, you would be like two cracks.

• 33:11Speaker 07

  I got a story that I probably should tell on this podcast. Well, I'll tell you afterwards. Oh, my God. Okay. And this is recent. Okay, go ahead.

• 33:18Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay. I can't wait. So in the nineteen eighties, sweepstakes were a craze in almost every major company. And they all participated in them. Thousands entered competitions hoping to win fabulous prizes, but unbeknownst to all but a few, these competitions were impossible to win, thanks to the seedy man that made them. Ooh. So this brings me back to one of our first scams, the McDonald's scam. Uh, where Homie was just stealing all the game pieces.

• 33:42Speaker 07

  I watched that one.

• 33:42Laci Mosley?

  But, okay, so who, I didn't love McMillians just because it was such copaganda. I was like, I want to see, you know, more of Homie. Like, I don't want to see y'all being like, we went through his trash. Like, I want to see what he was doing with the money. So during the nineteen sixties, when Chuck Sideman was a teenager, his father, Jack Sideman, ran his own promotions business in Philadelphia. Okay, Philly, yes. I know the Eagles lost the Super Bowl. Yeah, I'm a Cowboys fan. So after finishing his service in World War Two, Jack developed and patented one of the first rub-off lottery games, using gold leaf to conceal the prize underneath. Now, I love a scratch-off. They call it a rub-off, but that's a scratch-off.

• 34:21Speaker 07

  Rub-off is hilarious, but yeah, they had to turn, they had to change that name. Go ahead.

• 34:25Laci Mosley?

  I got scratch-offs in my house right now because that was me and my grandma's thing. We'd go down to the corner store and get scratch-offs and, I don't know, every now and then I got to do it. Connection. Okay, so we're looking at the scratch-off right now. This is the OG. It says spot of gold, cash dividends, everybody wins. Okay, at the food fair. I love this. I love this because it would have got me. I would have picked up, how much? Five, ten? I would be a millionaire. So, and I love that on this ticket, it doesn't say how much you could possibly win. Because now scratches are like, you could win up to a million dollars or whatever. This just says cash dividends. This doesn't say how much.

• 35:05Laci Mosley?

  You don't know what your investment could, you know, return. They're just like, money you could get.

• 35:12Speaker 07

  I wish they did, I wish they did, uh, right now, I could fall for like, uh, spectrum, a scratch off. I'd go in and like, have a bill paid.

• 35:21Laci Mosley?

  What do you, oh.

• 35:21Speaker 07

  Verizon. Buy, buy some.

• 35:23Laci Mosley?

  For companies.

• 35:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, for companies. Yo, you ain't gotta pay the bill this month. I'll give you extra ten to see if I can win a free month.

• 35:29Laci Mosley?

  Right. Don't give them any ideas. They already taking all our money from us. You know, if we went into Verizon, ATT, any of those and they were like, scratch off, you could win a new iPhone. Nobody would ever win the, the most you would get.

• 35:41Speaker 07

  That's a case.

• 35:42Laci Mosley?

  You got a pop socket. I'm gonna give them a case.

• 35:47Laci Mosley?

  You get a cleaning rag. Congratulations. Now pay for that phone like you was meant to.

• 35:54Speaker 07

  Where my money?

• 35:54Laci Mosley?

  So his company, his company Spot Oh Gold was one of the first to create such games and soon took over the market through offering rub offs in convenience stores and grocery stores. I'm, I wanna call them scratch, scratch offs from here on out, cause rub offs is giving me, um, it sounds nasty.

• 36:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's doing a good job for me, but go ahead. I understand why you changed.

• 36:14Laci Mosley?

  Rub me off. No, I don't wanna rub nothing. No. So his son Chuck was a serial high school dropout. How are you a serial high school dropout? I feel like you drop out and then that's, you dropped out. So he's just coming back? Okay. And he was a teenage drug addict. According to adult Chuck, I was in seven detoxes and none of them worked. That solution was to hire seven.

• 36:37Speaker 07

  Seven. That's still a lot. That's still a lot.

• 36:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's still a lot. But I think it's kind of one of those things of like, if you wanted to do it, then it works. But if somebody ships you in there and you're not ready, then it's not gonna work. And that's a scam of rehabilitation centers. I think they be hoping for repeat customers.

• 36:53Speaker 07

  Hell, yeah. That's like, it's like a gym. I hope you get fat again.

• 36:56Laci Mosley?

  Not a gym. It's like our planet fitness be serving pizza. Like, what are you doing? That is the intensity of why we're here. I mean, eat what you want. This is not shaming. Like, I love food. I love, it's not shaming it, but it's just interesting to be like, oh, I just got a great workout and they're like, yeah, would you like a tuba lard before you leave? What?

• 37:15Speaker 07

  This is how they, this is how they should get you. The gym is free, but parking is like twelve dollars a day.

• 37:20Laci Mosley?

  Love that. But it's gotta be automatically charged, because you know gym memberships are a scam. Like, they used to make you write hand, like, letters, and mail them in to try to get out of your gym membership, because

• 37:29Speaker 07

  And they know, and they know.

• 37:31Laci Mosley?

  Still do.

• 37:32Speaker 07

  We not gonna write no letter. I am not writing an essay. I'd rather pay you forty dollars.

• 37:36Laci Mosley?

  Going to USPS.

• 37:37Speaker 07

  I'm not doing it.

• 37:38Laci Mosley?

  But nowadays, you just gotta pull up in person, like the brides. You gotta pull up and be like, if you don't take me out of this membership, I will fight everybody in this gym. Because during COVID, my gym membership, they were trying to still charge, and I was like, girl, we can't even go over there. Like, what is we doing?

• 37:53Speaker 07

  No, no, we gonna, we gonna add months on till later. No, no, you not.

• 37:56Laci Mosley?

  No, you not. They're like, we got an online app. No, that's not the same. I can go on YouTube. Give me my money.

• 38:01Speaker 07

  But we got, but we got new towels. Shut up and give me my money back. Don't give a damn about these new towels.

• 38:06Laci Mosley?

  Eucalyptus on them. Come on now. You don't want your sinus path to be cleared up? Come on now.

• 38:12Speaker 07

  We giving out locks for the lockers. We giving out, we giving out locks for the lockers.

• 38:16Laci Mosley?

  And also gyms make it like a breakup, like a romantic breakup. When you're like, hey, I don't want to come here anymore. They're like, why not? What did we do? And it's like, bitch, I said I don't want to come here no more. Let's get to the termination process. They're like, no, but let's talk first. Come in my office. No, bitch.

• 38:30Speaker 07

  Like, they don't.

• 38:30Laci Mosley?

  Cancel. Stop.

• 38:31Speaker 07

  They closure method is trash. Like, we broke up. That's it. It is what it is. One of us ain't happy. I gotta go. It don't take both of us to, to, to, to break up. It only take one.

• 38:42Laci Mosley?

  They're like, this is a mutual relationship. No, no.

• 38:46Speaker 07

  It go one way.

• 38:47Laci Mosley?

  I didn't.

• 38:47Speaker 07

  And get these towels out of here. Quit putting these goddamn towels on me.

• 38:53Laci Mosley?

  Come on, feel how soft they are. We got fabric softener now.

• 38:55Speaker 07

  Stop it. Stop it.

• 38:56Laci Mosley?

  Give it, give it two more weeks.

• 38:58Speaker 07

  No, I don't want.

• 38:59Laci Mosley?

  We try to contact them again.

• 39:01Speaker 07

  You lucky I got somewhere to go.

• 39:02Laci Mosley?

  We give you a free smoothie. Literally, and they know they make it so arduous on purpose. So, we're talking about Chuck, right? Chuck says he was a seven detoxes. So Jack, his daddy, Jack's solution was to hire Chuck's friend, Steven Gross, to work at Spot of Gold in the hopes to keep Chuck off meth. Okay.

• 39:21Speaker 07

  What?

• 39:21Laci Mosley?

  He's on meth. So, yeah. So, but according to Steve, meth is one of those drugs, and this is no shade to addicts or anybody, but meth is one of those drugs that if somebody was like, hey, come over, I got so much meth, I'd be like, uh, no, I'm, I'm okay.

• 39:36Speaker 07

  I just didn't know meth was out that long.

• 39:38Laci Mosley?

  I got bottles at the crib or, or weed, yeah. But like, if you say meth or crack, I'm like, mm, nah, I'm actually.

• 39:44Speaker 07

  I, I didn't know meth was out that long. I, I, so wait, hold on, so Jack is the dad.

• 39:49Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:50Speaker 07

  And then the.

• 39:50Laci Mosley?

  Chuck is the son.

• 39:51Speaker 07

  Chuck is the son, and then Steve came over to work with dad to, so the son.

• 39:56Laci Mosley?

  To get Chuck off meth.

• 39:58Speaker 07

  Right.

• 39:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. That you got it, it's, it's still confusing, but you got it.

• 40:02Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 40:03Laci Mosley?

  So, but according to Steven, who's the friend, that was impossible. Chuck was this kind of narcissistic personality. You couldn't tell him what to do. At sixteen, Steven had already began to make a name for himself in the company's development department, even successfully pitching Baskin Robbins Cone Oh Gold campaign. So you predicted this tone. So now Baskin Robbins has gotten into the like, we gonna do scratch offs. Y'all come in here and maybe you'll get one of these thirty-one flavors for free.

• 40:27Speaker 07

  Boom, boom. I told you I used to do this.

• 40:29Laci Mosley?

  Get me in the door.

• 40:30Speaker 07

  I used to do this.

• 40:31Laci Mosley?

  You know it. Oh, love, love that you're here. So at the same time, Chuck discovered that he could take advantage of working at Spot of Gold and steal tons of two dollar lottery cards normally delivered in secure trucks. Wow, so now he's stealing from his daddy. That's very disrespectful. So Chuck won tons of cash, most of which he spent at the Atlantic City Boardwalk, which, you know, used to be popping before it died and then all the casinos.

• 40:56Speaker 07

  What do you do with stolen money? You try to make more stolen money.

• 41:01Laci Mosley?

  Flip it.

• 41:01Speaker 07

  Flip it.

• 41:03Laci Mosley?

  That sounds like a business to me. Also, normally when you work for a company that does sweepstakes or anything like that, you're not allowed to like cash in.

• 41:11Speaker 07

  You ain't allowed to play.

• 41:12Laci Mosley?

  So as young adults, Steven and Chuck parted ways as Steven went on to go to college and sell lingerie and later cars. Okay, Steven.

• 41:21Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:21Laci Mosley?

  Go ahead. Chuck fell deeper into his addictions to the point where a local restaurant to whom he was indebted to for his cocaine blackmailed him into stealing a winner gold, spot of gold game ticket. So a restaurant that was also selling cocaine.

• 41:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, I was hoping you was gonna come back to this, cuz I have never gone to a restaurant for cocaine. I've never gone really anywhere for cocaine, but definitely at a restaurant.

• 41:45Laci Mosley?

  I worked at a restaurant that sold cocaine and I can't get specific cuz you will figure out what it is. But the servers were selling cocaine.

• 41:54Speaker 07

  Nah.

• 41:54Laci Mosley?

  Like, would you like the Branzino, also an eight ball? Like, I've been at places where this happens.

• 42:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, I, I, I, I pick up what you put down.

• 42:03Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So in nineteen eighty-four, Jack paid off sixty thousand dollars in drug debt for Chuck, now thirty-three. So Jack slid in, even though Chuck was trying to steal these spot of golds to pay off the coke, uh, man at, um, Arby's. And his daddy pulled up and paid for him. Chuck is thirty-three at this point, but he's, you know, it's his son. He's trying to take care of him. However, Chuck's continual mistakes created enough tension in the relationship that they got into a fistfight, which prompted Chuck to break off ties with his father and begin his own sweepstake company with Steve. So Steve is back. I was wondering what we were talking about.

• 42:36Speaker 07

  I mean, I mean, how, I mean, Steve out here, you'd rather partner with a crackhead than to do?

• 42:42Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 42:42Speaker 07

  Who got sixty dollars worth of bail?

• 42:44Laci Mosley?

  You're still a savage fancy and, and, and cars. Why, why are you partnering with this man?

• 42:49Speaker 07

  You also can't trust, trust somebody dropped out of school this many times, but, you know, it's the sixties.

• 42:56Laci Mosley?

  Right, or the eighties.

• 42:57Speaker 07

  Oh, this, uh, we in the eighties now.

• 42:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 43:00Speaker 07

  Okay, okay.

• 43:00Laci Mosley?

  We been in the eighties. So they named the company CB Sidemen Marketing Group or CBS in the hopes that the television network would sue them and earn them more publicity. So they intentionally did copyright infringement so that they could hopefully get in the papers. And honestly, what an influencer move for the eighties. What if publicity dies?

• 43:20Speaker 07

  I'm not mad, I'm not mad at them at all for this. I am not.

• 43:24Laci Mosley?

  I love it. They said, we're going to court and we're gonna serve fits. We're gonna make sure the paparazzi's there and we're gonna get our bag. So slowly Chuck began stealing his father's clients one by one for himself.

• 43:35Speaker 07

  I do, I'm sorry, I gotta say this. That's probably how meth started out is like crack two and then crack sued meth. Cause it was called crack two and they like for copyright infringement, they like, y'all just come up with a new name. It's like, but crack two is pretty good. It's like, well, fuck meth, we meth now. But now meth already on the map because they decided to come after crack. Alright, go ahead.

• 43:54Laci Mosley?

  Crack is Kirkland brand meth.

• 43:58Laci Mosley?

  Instead of Cheerios, Jager and Circle Wheat. Yes, I kinda love it. So his specialty was creating elaborate prizes such as convincing a dog food company to give away luxury vacation to not just one winner, but forty-nine of their friends and family. Chuck expanded CBS by opening, that seems like a sweepstakes that's too good to be true. Also, I don't think of forty-nine friends and family that I would wanna bring on vacation. Like maybe twelve, forty-nine?

• 44:24Speaker 07

  Forty-nine? That sound like cheap.

• 44:26Laci Mosley?

  Also, what an obscure number. Why not fifty?

• 44:29Speaker 07

  Well, I guess you gotta go. Are you fifty? You, you, you're one in there forty-nine.

• 44:35Laci Mosley?

  It's giving nine ninety-nine ninety-nine.

• 44:36Speaker 07

  But then nobody had fifty friends back then.

• 44:38Laci Mosley?

  No, no.

• 44:39Speaker 07

  We don't in generation where like man, yeah.

• 44:41Laci Mosley?

  So Chuck expanded CBS by opening an arm of the company to handle mail-in promotions. A department run by two teenagers he had met in a parking lot.

• 44:51Speaker 07

  Great job, great job.

• 44:54Laci Mosley?

  Y'all wanna make some money? Yeah, we got, we got a part-time job from the parking lot. I'm not taking no jobs from the parking lot. No, but they're teens.

• 45:03Speaker 07

  Mail openers?

• 45:05Laci Mosley?

  They work, yeah, they're working. And you know, teens, like the whole reason that they have a lower employment rate is so that, you know, they can give kids like the smallest amount of money so that they can buy this, you know, kid shit.

• 45:17Speaker 07

  They're in liability. They get in trouble, they ain't going to prison.

• 45:21Laci Mosley?

  Thanks. So, uh, the teens were Timothy and Louis, uh, and they were convinced to work for Penny's.

• 45:28Speaker 07

  They sound like trouble. Listen to that again. Timothy and Louis, they sound like some assholes.

• 45:32Laci Mosley?

  They do. Timothy and Louis were probably in the parking lot trying to check doors to see if any were unlocked so they could steal goods at the glove compartment. And they're like, y'all want a legit job?

• 45:40Speaker 07

  He's probably stealing people's mail out of their cars or something. He was like, do I have a job for you? You what, you what?

• 45:49Laci Mosley?

  That's recruitment. Okay, Chuck. You, you.

• 45:51Speaker 07

  Let me see, open that letter again.

• 45:52Laci Mosley?

  So, they didn't have LinkedIn, I guess. So, he had to, he had to go to the parking lot to see who was down to do crimes. Now that they ran the show, Steven and Chuck realized they could sneak more prizes from the sweepstakes by rigging the competition and picking their own winner. The first win was ten supermarket sweep tricks to Toys R Us from a Royal Desserts Company. So, it's like a competition from Royal Desserts and they're like, if y'all buy these desserts, y'all bring these scratch offs like, y'all could win a trip to Toys R Us, which I guess is only really appealing to parents.

• 46:23Laci Mosley?

  So, at the time, no one seemed to be breaking any enforceable law. In order to create an appearance of wealth, Chuck and Steve, who had much better credit, Steve had much better credit than Chuck. They purchased three limos to ride to meetings, in addition, a BMW and a luxury Cadillac. So, they were giving the vibes of rich when they pulled the, they pulling up to the Burger King in a limo.

• 46:43Speaker 07

  I'm laughing, I'm laughing because Steve, of course, had better credit than Chuck because Chuck buy all his shit cash. Chuck don't make no credit purchases. Chuck all cash. He all cash.

• 46:55Laci Mosley?

  Like, now, if we were talking street cred, Chuck would have better credit because he's been out here with the mob.

• 47:02Speaker 07

  Absolutely.

• 47:02Laci Mosley?

  Buying his drugs.

• 47:03Speaker 07

  Uh, he been alive this long. He good for it.

• 47:05Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, I think street cred should be a part of credit. Credit's already a scam. You, I should be able to get five references that I paid back to get a home loan. I don't understand why that's not a thing.

• 47:14Speaker 07

  I mean, it's not like a website. We need to, yeah.

• 47:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the new credit, homie credit.

• 47:18Speaker 07

  Yo, street cred. We need that. We need that.

• 47:21Laci Mosley?

  Street cred.

• 47:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 47:22Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So, at the same time, his father's business was failing between the loss of clients and the introduction of Scratch Off, uh, which was a patent of Jack's rub off, which made his business obsolete. Now, I'm gonna say, Jack, I'm sorry, I did not love rub off. I wish that you had thought of Scratch Off. It's just sexier. And I hate that somebody got up under you and stole that from you. That's not right. They did crack to to you. We don't like that.

• 47:51Laci Mosley?

  We don't like that.

• 47:53Speaker 07

  I mean, you know.

• 47:53Laci Mosley?

  We hate that for us.

• 47:55Speaker 07

  I mean, you know, maybe Jack, he should, he should have transitioned early, but like, maybe, maybe, you know.

• 48:01Speaker 07

  I mean, his name was.

• 48:01Laci Mosley?

  He's the blockbuster of scratch off.

• 48:03Speaker 07

  His also, his name is also Jack and his product was a rub off. I'm gonna sit that right there, I'm just gonna leave that right there.

• 48:10Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 48:11Speaker 07

  And say he was trying to do a thing.

• 48:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I didn't even put that together.

• 48:13Speaker 07

  I just put it together, I know, and it's sticky when you think about it, so I will move on.

• 48:18Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 48:19Speaker 07

  I know.

• 48:20Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 48:21Speaker 07

  This is not what you get in my comedy shows, I promise you, but, but, but, but people listening, understand what I just said. That, that wasn't too bad, that wasn't too bad.

• 48:29Laci Mosley?

  I think we got it, oh wow, wowzers. So Jack and Chuck remained unrecognized while Jack died of a heart attack in May of nineteen eighty six. I'm sure he was so stressed because his business got stolen, his son stole his business, damn, I feel bad for Jack. With his father's death, CBS took spot of gold and its remaining clients, damn. Chuck, you ain't right. By this point, the sweepstakes industry was now a billion dollar industry that nearly every top brand seemed to participate in. But with the increase of success came increase of Chuck's substance abuse, so they're living high, he's full of Wall Street and it's not good. So according to him, I was on ten Valium pills or Xanax pills a day and several tranquilizers.

• 49:12Laci Mosley?

  So he's moved on from the uppers to very, very down.

• 49:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 49:17Laci Mosley?

  His wife Susan became so frustrated that she called a hypnotist named James. Yeah, you know, men can get wives. You know, straight men, you don't gotta be shit to get a wife.

• 49:28Speaker 07

  I mean.

• 49:28Laci Mosley?

  Cause.

• 49:29Speaker 07

  Kirk has do be having chicks though, I mean, that's just, we see it, I don't even know why I'm surprised, I don't even know why I'm surprised.

• 49:35Laci Mosley?

  So his wife Susan became so frustrated, she called this hypnotist, right, James Parker, in hopes that he could fix her husband. James Parker, so James has studied hypnosis since his first witness at a carnival, at seven years old. Now carnival, if you see your profession at a carnival and you're trying to take it legit, I don't know about that. So his ultimate dream was to become a famous traveling hypnotist, which is why he almost immediately found himself in Chuck's living room, putting him in a trance. Okay, we're getting very sleepy, it's giving that. When Chuck woke up, he claimed to be cured and declared that he was going to make James the most famous hypnotist in America. However, James had to help him just with one favor. Pose is the winner for the Trump Plaza sweepstakes.

• 50:16Speaker 07

  Time out. Hypnotist. You're a great hypnotist. You can't be hypnotized and then wake up being like, guess what, I don't do crack no more. You're not even supposed to remember crack. What kind of hypnotist? Erase all that shit.

• 50:29Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna rope him into a crime.

• 50:31Speaker 07

  Why would you do it?

• 50:32Laci Mosley?

  Immediately.

• 50:32Speaker 07

  You love crack, but when I wake you up, you're gonna be like, I don't like crack no more. Just get crack out of here. Make it broad.

• 50:38Laci Mosley?

  Because I hate crack, but I love crime, and you have to help me. But anybody who gets their profession from a carnival and it's... Then we already know what he's on. So as a part of CSP operations was creating turnkey sweepstakes promotions for companies. They had created a campaign for one of Trump's flagship casinos, the Trump Plaza Casino in... casino, why am I saying that wrong? In Atlantic City. Trump built a thirty million dollar parking garage to entice more visitors. However, not enough people were using it, so he turned to CSP who suggested he print promotional parking tickets that, when collected, could win prizes. So now you're just parking. They were like, it's plenty of street parking, but if we do this rub off,

• 51:22Laci Mosley?

  we might win a prize.

• 51:24Speaker 07

  I might scratch my ass off in some free parking. Other prizes.

• 51:29Speaker 07

  What kind of prizes we talking, Jack?

• 51:31Laci Mosley?

  A prize for going to a parking garage is wild to me. So these prizes included Walkmans, that was the time, cash, and eternity of vacations. Not vacations, just till you die, till you go to the Upper Room. Or even a Cadillac. Chuck simply needed James to pose as the winner of the grand prize and sell it for cash with a kickback to the company CBS. Over several days, an assistant collected enough tickets until James came to claim the Cadillac Elante convertible grand prize worth fifty five thousand dollars, which is about a hundred forty thousand dollars today with inflation.

• 52:02Speaker 07

  Ooh.

• 52:02Laci Mosley?

  So this is the hypnotist. Ooh, it kind of still look a little clean. It's definitely giving eighties.

• 52:06Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:07Laci Mosley?

  Cars were so square in the eighties.

• 52:08Speaker 07

  I love it. I I rock that right now.

• 52:10Laci Mosley?

  They're like, square looks like the future. So.

• 52:13Speaker 07

  It look fast.

• 52:14Laci Mosley?

  Three days after Ja- right, it look.

• 52:16Speaker 07

  Look at that box. Ooh, that box fast. Make it look like a brick. Bricks be fast.

• 52:21Laci Mosley?

  But with a wheels, with wheels.

• 52:23Speaker 07

  A brick with wheels.

• 52:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's go get everybody. They go know I got money, okay, when I'm driving around with my rectangular vehicle. Love that. However, three days after James won, the nineteen eighty seven stock market crash occurred. A cor- also known as Black Monday. That's so wild because I brought up Black Monday earlier, that TV show on Showtime. It's so good, y'all. Three seasons. Get into it. Suddenly, no one wanted to buy the car. They eventually sold it for half price and James ended up keeping four thousand dollars, but was stuck with a tax bill on the entire prize. That comes back to that Oprah, you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. When Oprah gave out all them cars, they didn't pay the taxes for them teachers to have them cars, and a lot of them ended up having to sell it or having to pay like seven grand in gift tax, so.

• 53:05Speaker 07

  Uh, wasn't that the Pontiac? That was a Pontiac GT, wasn't it? G six? A Pontiac GT or something like that? Anyway.

• 53:11Laci Mosley?

  I can't remember. I thought it was a Toyota.

• 53:12Speaker 07

  I know. It was that. No, I don't think it was no Toyota. I think it was a Pontiac or something from Michigan.

• 53:17Laci Mosley?

  That was a mean lick. Because they were so excited and then Uncle Sam was waiting right outside the door of the studio like, hey, before you get these keys, run me mine.

• 53:26Speaker 07

  I don't.

• 53:27Laci Mosley?

  We- the whole point is we're broke.

• 53:29Speaker 07

  That's because people be like, eh, this is too good to be true. And I never say stuff like that. I go, man, it's too good to be true.

• 53:34Laci Mosley?

  Right, and was.

• 53:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:37Laci Mosley?

  Was alive. Still, he immediately used the money to book a plane ticket to Paris for a date with an opera singer. So he's still flexing with this little bit of cash he got, you know. So, in addition to continuing to use James to help him win prizes, Chuck also recruited his former cable man, Anthony Dandridge. So somebody came and gave him some bootleg cable. He was like, hey, man, you want to make a little money on the side as well? Also, how you have the same person, how do you have James winning multiple prizes? Nobody saw the newspaper and was like, ain't that the same dude?

• 54:06Speaker 07

  And that's back when people read newspapers. So they knew who James was.

• 54:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 07

  Well, James is probably mad. James probably, you know what, James knew the game. James go, uh, I better win again, because I got seventeen thousand dollars of taxes to pay, and I ain't bring home before, so I'm thirteen in the hole. Your boy gonna win again, you hear me? I'ma call the real CBS on y'all.

• 54:23Laci Mosley?

  He hypnotized him.

• 54:26Laci Mosley?

  And he's like, give me another prize. And Chuck was like, yeah, cool, cool. And I'm definitely not doing crack no more.

• 54:31Speaker 07

  I will make you love crack. Don't think I won't.

• 54:34Laci Mosley?

  I'll take it back. I'll hypnotize you back into it. Let me say the magic words. You gonna be down bad.

• 54:40Speaker 07

  Abror. Abror.

• 54:42Laci Mosley?

  Don't make me get to the cuh, okay?

• 54:46Laci Mosley?

  The wah. Don't make me get to the la, okay?

• 54:51Laci Mosley?

  Better give me money. So Anthony, the cable man, was lured by Chuck's promises to turn him into the next Bruce Lee. Okay, now, why does the cable man want to be Bruce Lee?

• 55:00Speaker 07

  Man.

• 55:00Laci Mosley?

  Okay. As he had recently opened a Kung Fu school in Richmond, Virginia. So I love how he lures these men with like, I'ma get your school popping. He's like, what are your aspirations in life as he's installing the Spectrum? He's like, I want to be a Kung Fu master. What?

• 55:15Speaker 07

  That's how you know, like, you know, cable man always wear them, uh, one-piece jumpers. We got our work, he just put the, uh, the belt on around it, went straight to the karate school.

• 55:25Laci Mosley?

  Right now, everybody's not Kung Fu fighting, but if you would like them to be, come win these big prizes with me.

• 55:32Speaker 07

  He started working with people. He never shook anybody's hands. He was just bowing up front. He's like, yo, man, just shake my hand and start bowing. What, why, why are you doing this? Oh, I ain't, I ain't tell you I do Kung Fu? No, man, that's not why I invited you here. Well, I'ma need a little something.

• 55:42Laci Mosley?

  Fix the cable box.

• 55:43Speaker 07

  I was talking to James.

• 55:45Laci Mosley?

  He was telling your cable, like, no, no, we don't want that. We don't need that.

• 55:52Laci Mosley?

  Why is he doing karate hands to my cable box? What is happening? So if Anthony won the $200,000 prize money from Alpo Dog Foods, he would be allowed to keep 25,000 to start a National Martial Arts Academy where Chuck kept the rest. Okay, so Chuck and Steven thought that they'd never get caught as there were no laws yet written about sweepstakes. However, it was one call from a once teenage employee Louis. Not Louis coming back, it's Louis's girlfriend to the United States Postal Inspection Service. I have told you all about fucking with the US Mail, they will get you. That led to their downfall. So getting caught, we're wrapping it up. So Katherine Wojahowicz called when Louis, which was her ex-boyfriend,

• 56:34Laci Mosley?

  arranged for her to win an Alpo Dog Food sweepstakes and she felt something wasn't right. So her babe was like, "Oh, you gonna win this Alpo sweepstakes? Why are you calling the US Inspection on your man?"

• 56:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, but...

• 56:48Laci Mosley?

  He must have been a trash boyfriend.

• 56:49Speaker 07

  She was supposed to win and didn't win, so because she didn't win, she called the authority. Like, that's how everybody get caught.

• 56:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, somebody's scoring. You can't cut people out of the money when you're doing crime. Everybody has to get paid.

• 57:01Speaker 07

  We all don't win. I'm taking everybody down.

• 57:04Laci Mosley?

  Cause now, I have no liability. I didn't actually win. I can act like I didn't know what was going on and...

• 57:10Speaker 07

  Y'all wanna cheat? Him, him, him, him. They told me I was gonna get 25,000. And then, and then what happened? Her plane crash?

• 57:19Laci Mosley?

  Damn. So as a USPIS agent, Dan, it was just a professional hater job. Daniel Smires began investigating the company behind the competition. James and Chuck were running into trouble with the winners. As they ran through their roster of friends of winners in quotes, they called on more questionable people, which led to the posers actually winning the competition and making off with prizes before CBS could demand their cut. So basically, as this inspection hater man starts to dig into it, the winners, the fake winners are like, "Ooh, it's hot over here. Y'all getting in trouble for crime. I'm actually gonna just win and then I'm above board and I'm not giving y'all a cut."

• 57:58Speaker 07

  You know who that is. That's them forty nine close friends. That's exactly. That's them forty nine close people that you would have took on vacation with you. That's exactly who that was. Cause you go outside too far, somebody gonna end up talking, so you try to keep it close. But don't know, can't nobody keep their mouths. Cause like, here's the thing. If I show up with a boat, you know I ain't got boat money. You pull up to that apartment complex with a boat, like, man, I know you have boat money. Oh, bro, now you gotta explain to somebody, let them win some. Then they come out with this Cadillac Elantra, whatever it's called. And then now you just got a bunch of apartment people with shit that they don't know how to use. Jet ski.

• 58:32Laci Mosley?

  And these are liabilities. Cause they're like, I'm a snitch on you if you don't let me keep the whole prize. Cause now what is your hold on them? Before they were in on the grid, but now that they know the government on your ass, they like, listen, you either let me keep the full two hundred K or I'm calling nine one one.

• 58:46Speaker 07

  Oh, I'm telling everybody. I'm telling everybody. Alvin live with his mama, how he got a jet ski?

• 58:52Laci Mosley?

  He talking about, we going to the beach, he gonna give us all a ride.

• 58:57Speaker 07

  We going to the beach? We live in Nashville.

• 58:59Laci Mosley?

  There's no beach in here.

• 59:00Speaker 07

  Ain't no beach here.

• 59:02Laci Mosley?

  They're like, look, Chuck, Steve, if y'all don't let me keep all this prize money, I'm gonna start mailing out letters. Okay, it's gonna take three to five business days, but people gonna know your business. They're gonna know you're up.

• 59:13Laci Mosley?

  They're gonna know you're up to something shady. So as they ran through their roster of friends to be winners, they called on more questionable people. Cause now the homies who used to do it, they're not giving the prize money. So now they're just going to, you know, back to the parking lot to find whoever's questionable. Which led to the posers actually winning the competition and making off with the prizes before CBS could demand their cut. So even now, like, everyone's taking their cut and being like, fuck CBS. Chuck became more frustrated and unpredictable, even removing Steven from company accounts and threatening his family when he spoke about it. So again, just like the wedding photographer pulling up, threatening.

• 59:49Speaker 07

  I mean, what you really, what you really gonna do?

• 59:52Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 59:54Speaker 07

  If I'm gonna win fifty thou. And then I'm saying, I'm keeping fifteen, let's go, I think I'm gonna keep this fifty thou, what you really gonna do?

• 1:00:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, who gonna check me, boo?

• 1:00:02Speaker 07

  I mean, unless you.

• 1:00:03Laci Mosley?

  You gonna take me to court?

• 1:00:04Speaker 07

  Unless you send some people after me. But I got fifty thou now, I can hire protection for a little bit.

• 1:00:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Chuck should have invested in the mob. But then he would have had even more money taken from him because they're gonna get theirs.

• 1:00:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, they went to ninety.

• 1:00:16Laci Mosley?

  So in nineteen eighty-eight, with mounting lawsuits from former employees and clients, Chuck's unpredictable behavior, uh, Steve left CBS and started his own promotions company with Louis. So now Chuck left CBS and then took the kid from the parking lot who had called the feds and made his own company. That doesn't seem smart.

• 1:00:35Speaker 07

  No, no, no, Louis's girlfriend did that. Louis probably didn't know nothing about that. That was Louis's boo.

• 1:00:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but you're, you're already making weird moves. Why's your boo selling you out? You didn't get her nothing for Valentine's Day?

• 1:00:45Speaker 07

  She probably, well, no. You know what it was? Because she died in the plane crash two days later, wasn't it? Or two weeks later?

• 1:00:51Laci Mosley?

  No, she died in a plane crash in two thousand two. So she was very much alive at this point.

• 1:00:55Speaker 07

  Oh, oh, oh, oh, I'm sorry, continue.

• 1:00:57Laci Mosley?

  That was just a detail Kalen gave us. So not long after Agent Smires, the hater who's been snooping, was able to track down the hypnotist James and Kung-Fu master Anthony. He got, he gathered enough information to show CBS had been illegally rigging the games. A year and a half later, Chuck, Steve, James, Anthony, and Louis were officially charged with mail fraud. Mail fraud is, that's how they get you. It's a bitch. With sentences up to thirty years. You can't do fraud in the mail, y'all. You gotta walk to their door, hand it to them. That's how you do fraud. Don't put your fraud in USPS. They will come get you. Okay, they got them forever stamps for your ass.

• 1:01:33Speaker 07

  That's federal.

• 1:01:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. No, you don't mess with them. So they were collectively estimated to have won around two million dollars, five million dollars in today's money in cash prizes. After admitting to taking LSD four hundred times during proceedings, Chuck pleaded guilty.

• 1:01:49Speaker 07

  What?

• 1:01:50Laci Mosley?

  You at court on LSD?

• 1:01:51Speaker 07

  What?

• 1:01:53Laci Mosley?

  Chuck.

• 1:01:55Speaker 07

  Chuck, Chuck is an American hero against all odds, against dropping out of high school and then getting introduced to crack and meth and then working his way up to scam.

• 1:02:08Speaker 07

  Get, I mean, he lasted way longer than any other star. I mean, if you gonna go down, go down in flames. And then he was in the courtroom like, oh, look, man, I don't need, I'm high right now.

• 1:02:20Laci Mosley?

  We need a, like a poster like that.

• 1:02:22Speaker 07

  I don't remember none of what y'all talking about.

• 1:02:27Laci Mosley?

  That's how he played guilty? I would, I would retract that. I'd be like, I was high on LSD when I played guilty. I didn't even know what y'all were talking about. So Stephen also played guilty while James and Anthony and Louis-

• 1:02:38Speaker 07

  I was hypnotized. I was hypnotized. Talk to James about this shit. I've been hypnotized his whole time.

• 1:02:44Laci Mosley?

  He told me to scam and then he never gave me the magic words so I could stop.

• 1:02:48Speaker 07

  He never said cadaver.

• 1:02:49Laci Mosley?

  You feel me? So that's why I was scamming. So, but I love that Anthony, Louis and James were like, we innocent and they were like, we're going to trial to fight this. And they were like, no, you're going to jail. You're definitely guilty. So, the latter were sentenced to five years probation and ordered to pay thousands of dollars in restitution. So, James, Anthony and Louis only got five years of probation. They just had to pick up trash, which means they definitely snitched. They went in there and just started listing.

• 1:03:16Speaker 07

  Flip. They flip.

• 1:03:17Laci Mosley?

  I love that.

• 1:03:18Speaker 07

  You can't go-

• 1:03:18Laci Mosley?

  They're doing more flips than Simone Biles.

• 1:03:20Speaker 07

  Isn't it? I mean, you know, it's hard to go to like real prison for something federal when you mail, come on.

• 1:03:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, nah, I would have flipped too. I'm like, how many names y'all want? If my mama got unpaid parking tickets, what, how much do you need? Get me out of here.

• 1:03:36Speaker 07

  Give me a pen and a piece of paper and a, a, a Big Magg and some fries. I got, I write down everybody. I, I can't go to real prison.

• 1:03:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, we're not going to prison, prison. So, Stephen and Chuck were ordered to pay more than a million dollars of restitution to the companies that they had ripped off and both were sentenced to two years in prison. Two ain't bad.

• 1:03:52Speaker 07

  Damn.

• 1:03:53Laci Mosley?

  Both were permanently banned from the sweepstakes industry, but by the time Chuck was sent to prison in 1990, he had set up a new company and ran a number of competitions for his old client, Donald Trump. Y'all both criminals. Y'all both scammers. This seems like a good partnership.

• 1:04:08Laci Mosley?

  Fake recognize fake.

• 1:04:11Speaker 07

  I told you I was impressed. I'm impressed. I'm impressed. As, as much as I hate these people, they know how to do wrong, right?

• 1:04:20Laci Mosley?

  They do.

• 1:04:21Speaker 07

  Once again, through all of this.

• 1:04:22Laci Mosley?

  I love Chuck. He's a very good guy. He's just visiting jail for a couple of years.

• 1:04:26Speaker 07

  Never heard of him. Never heard of him.

• 1:04:29Laci Mosley?

  That's right. You're right. That's what it would be. He's like, I've never met the guy.

• 1:04:32Speaker 07

  Chuck, ah, it sounds like something I had for lunch when I was eight. I've never heard of him.

• 1:04:39Laci Mosley?

  You're true. That's exactly what would happen. So the industry almost immediately died down after Kraft mistakenly printed five hundred thousand winning tickets for one of its campaigns instead of one resulting in four million dollars of compensation. Damn, why wasn't I buying singles at this time? I wasn't alive. Damn it.

• 1:04:55Speaker 07

  Ooh.

• 1:04:57Laci Mosley?

  So James has since made a career as a Las Vegas hypnotist specializing in hypnotizing NBA players struggling with confidence problems. What?

• 1:05:05Speaker 07

  Getting rid of them yips for the league. James, I was like, I need to go, I need to get out of this. I need to get out of this scam business and go do the Lord's work through magic.

• 1:05:15Laci Mosley?

  It's like Shaq, he's like, you're gonna make the free throws. You're gonna make the free throws.

• 1:05:20Speaker 07

  Or my, or my, or my Cowboys kicker who couldn't make these field goals.

• 1:05:26Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I'm a Cowboys fan and it hurts me. I didn't know you were a Cowboys fan.

• 1:05:29Speaker 07

  I'm a Cowboys fan.

• 1:05:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so you love pain?

• 1:05:34Speaker 07

  It's a, it's a hard, it's a, it's a.

• 1:05:36Laci Mosley?

  You love getting your hopes up.

• 1:05:37Speaker 07

  It's an abusive relationship. It's all emotional abuse, but it happens.

• 1:05:41Laci Mosley?

  It is. And then Jerry coming out trying to keep the black people from going to school. I was like, Jerry, now we already sick of your ass. Good lord, not, not you in the black and white photos doing the, we doing, we figured you was a racist, but like, quiet.

• 1:05:55Speaker 07

  All the racism I get, but come on, man. Burn these pitches, bruh.

• 1:05:58Laci Mosley?

  Right. You got so much money. We got new stadiums, even though we haven't won a Super Bowl. Like, I was at Cowboys mini camp when I was five. I have pictures of me in the uniform, like.

• 1:06:09Speaker 07

  My first.

• 1:06:10Laci Mosley?

  We can't, it's.

• 1:06:11Speaker 07

  My first starter jacket was, was, uh, nineteen ninety-two. Actually, I had the pro starter. I just got the real starter two years ago for Christmas. Like, like the throwback from like a, a consignment vintage store. So yes, I've been, I've been on, I've been on for a minute.

• 1:06:25Laci Mosley?

  Uh, anyways, our scam, being scammed by loving the Cowboys. So.

• 1:06:31Speaker 07

  Absolutely.

• 1:06:31Laci Mosley?

  Steven went on to own a Philadelphia strip club called Daydreams. All right. Everyone, Steven has had many careers. He is a serial entrepreneur and I love that for him. He was selling panties, cars, scam rub offs, and now he's owning a strip club. Okay, Steven. So Anthony was able to expand his Kung Fu operations to fifteen other states. Wow.

• 1:06:51Speaker 07

  Kung Fu operations, that's what I'm talking, that, yeah, that's how you say that, Kung Fu operations. Hell, you better have your LLC.

• 1:06:57Laci Mosley?

  It's giving LLC Twitter, it truly is. Kung Fu operations?

• 1:07:02Speaker 07

  Kung Fu operations.

• 1:07:04Laci Mosley?

  He went out and bought a bunch of different colored belts and said, let's go.

• 1:07:09Speaker 07

  He been, he been out there like on the power poles. Ha, hey man, my cable ain't working. Soon as I finish this set, ha.

• 1:07:17Laci Mosley?

  He can break a cable box in half with his hand.

• 1:07:22Laci Mosley?

  The kids are like, why don't we have wood? He's like, no, y'all better break these cable boxes and then torture.

• 1:07:27Speaker 07

  He been out here trying to point like, they gonna take this pole down in two weeks. Nah, give me eight hours, I get this shit down.

• 1:07:33Laci Mosley?

  Just keeps chopping away at it. I also feel like at his Kung Fu schools, it's not just like white belt and then yellow or whatever. He's like white belt, cream belt, off cream. He's like, he been coming back.

• 1:07:44Speaker 07

  You have reached zebra belt. Okay, man, ain't no zebra belts around here. What kind of school is it? What kind of karate school is this?

• 1:07:51Laci Mosley?

  You got cheetah belt, okay? You're so close to blacks. Just keep working and keep coming and paying for my Kung Fu enterprise. Thank you so much.

• 1:08:00Speaker 07

  Animal with discipline. Okay, Anthony. Next week we open in Ohio. Okay, stop it, Anthony.

• 1:08:08Laci Mosley?

  We got a new location in Wisconsin, the corn belt. Also, all of this was taking place in New Jersey, which makes absolute sense. So after prison, Chuck developed an internet scratch off game and even partnered with Microsoft to run them. I love that Chuck can't lose. Microsoft? You, Bill Gates of them?

• 1:08:24Speaker 07

  This is giving a real catch me if you can.

• 1:08:26Laci Mosley?

  I love it. He did a little stint in jail. They're like, oh, your resume has a gap. He was like, oh, yeah, I took a, I took two years off to find myself. In federal prison. That was quiet, that was silent.

• 1:08:37Speaker 07

  Uh, Bill, do you know what you're doing? I'm the best, baby. I'm here, ain't I?

• 1:08:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I took some time to work out, read, uh, you know, be on, in the yard.

• 1:08:47Speaker 07

  Yo, if you can scam people this long, you got to be the best.

• 1:08:50Laci Mosley?

  Truly. So he passed away in August of two thousand nine from liver cancer. Donald Trump continued to use sweepstakes in his political campaigns, promising a chance to win a dinner with President Donald Trump in New Orleans for donations of any amount. Not you doing the, the dinner with Jay-Z, Donald Trump. However, no winner was ever announced, and a Trump representative said there had been an administrative error. Yeah. What was that error?

• 1:09:16Speaker 07

  Fraud.

• 1:09:17Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna start, I'm gonna start selling fake shit and be like, oh, y'all didn't get the stuff. That was an administrative error. We forgot to administrate the stuff that we told you you would get.

• 1:09:28Speaker 07

  I've been buying stuff on, uh, what's the website? I've been buying stuff on, what's the one where people make stuff at home and then you buy it? And it, Etsy?

• 1:09:34Laci Mosley?

  Etsy, yeah.

• 1:09:35Speaker 07

  I don't know, my dog would call it three times because the people call me back. Oh man, I ain't gonna lie, I forgot about it. I'm like, give my money back. Why? Because you didn't make what we agreed on. That's why I want my money back. But why?

• 1:09:47Laci Mosley?

  They gave you the gym membership. They were like, wait, why you want your money back?

• 1:09:52Speaker 07

  What I do?

• 1:09:53Laci Mosley?

  Because you didn't get what I said I was.

• 1:09:54Speaker 07

  What you were supposed to. That's what you did. You didn't do what you were supposed to.

• 1:09:58Laci Mosley?

  We were vibing.

• 1:09:59Speaker 07

  We only know.

• 1:10:00Laci Mosley?

  Mail us, mail us a letter and tell us what we did.

• 1:10:03Speaker 07

  You know what? Keep forty-five dollars because you know I ain't write no goddamn letter. You know I ain't write no letter.

• 1:10:09Laci Mosley?

  Go to the post office, tell us what we did in writing, and then we'll send you the money back, okay? Oh, well, that brings us to the saddest part of the show, the part where I have to let Tone go. But before we do that, a quick scammer of the week. This is where we highlight a charlatan worthy of our praise or maybe not. And today we're talking about nineteen-year-old Madison Russo, who's been caught after scamming thirty-seven thousand dollars from forty-nine concerned donors after falsely claiming she had pancreatic cancer. So Maddie was arrested on January twenty third on first degree felony theft. This teenager, oh, she's a teenager. Oh, let her free. She's a kid.

• 1:10:48Speaker 07

  She, she a teenager?

• 1:10:50Laci Mosley?

  On the internet. Oh, she does. It's not giving teenager.

• 1:10:53Speaker 07

  I mean, that's a, that's a hardship face. That's why people donate. They were like, she, she must have it rough.

• 1:10:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's giving. She's been living hard.

• 1:11:00Speaker 07

  That's a lot of, that's a lot of, uh, wear.

• 1:11:02Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So she documented her cancer and quotes battle on TikTok and through her GoFundMe page and claimed to have had a tumor the size of a football wrapped around her spine. Content warning, this girl is wearing an offensive amount of tanner.

• 1:11:15Speaker 07

  Oh, wow.

• 1:11:16Laci Mosley?

  Kaylin, I'll kill you. Uh, she is wearing a lot of tanner and it might be contributing to her old age look. It's giving fruit leather, but you know, to each his own. Uh, listen, if you saw Charlie in the chocolate factory, you were like, that's my little.

• 1:11:32Speaker 07

  Her face, her face is like, you know, when a car dripping oil and they pull out a parking spot, but it's raining and it had like that rainbow.

• 1:11:40Laci Mosley?

  Listen, we, I don't know they trash talk kids, but she scammed people and pretended to have a very serious disease. So. Yes, fuck them kids for this one. So she also claimed to have given talks about her health at events for the National Pancreatic Cancer Foundation, which the foundation denies. So she was like, oh, I was just doing a speaking engagement. Well, we couldn't video in there. It was no cameras.

• 1:12:02Speaker 07

  Her face look like a, her face look like a raw Cinnabon. Like it just got all the cinnamon and sugar on it, but it ain't been baked yet.

• 1:12:09Laci Mosley?

  Oh no, that's a perfect description and it is tearing me apart. No. And I love this mug shot because her eyes are so wide. She's like, dang, they got.

• 1:12:18Speaker 07

  They got it.

• 1:12:19Laci Mosley?

  It looks like she startled. It looks like they snatched her from wherever she was and immediately made her take a photo. Like she's still in shock that she got caught.

• 1:12:26Speaker 07

  Like she got halfway through her makeup.

• 1:12:28Laci Mosley?

  Right. She was probably on TikTok beating her face, talking about her fake cancer, like, like, ow, it hurt today. Like what, girl?

• 1:12:35Speaker 07

  This nose, uh, she ain't get, she ain't get below the nose. All that raw.

• 1:12:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Yeah. We're giving two different skin tones. They got, they call her mid bronzer for sure. They were like, hands up, put the bronzer down. Put the heat up, idiot.

• 1:12:49Speaker 07

  Drop the bronzer.

• 1:12:49Laci Mosley?

  Drop it.

• 1:12:50Speaker 07

  And step away.

• 1:12:51Laci Mosley?

  Drop the beauty blender, put your hands in the air, lay on your face. So Maddie began to be discovered in early January when witnesses claiming to be medical professionals anonymously contacted authorities saying they believed there to be many medical discrepancies in her social media posts. Now, Google is free, Maddie, why didn't you Google this? This included incorrectly and potentially life threatening use of medical equipment in addition to allegedly stealing photos from actual cancer patients and posting them as her own. The GoFundMe page was still taking donations until it was taken down in late January with the message Maddie is currently undergoing vigorous chemotherapy and radiation treatments that are making her very sick. Me- meanwhile, it was like Maddie is, has transferred these funds to her Bank of America.

• 1:13:35Laci Mosley?

  So all donors will be refunded and Maddie is permanently banned from the platform. She was released on a $10,000 bond hours after her arrest and is currently awaiting court. I don't know if we put Maddie in jail for a fake GoFundMe, I just feel like that platform, you gotta know that maybe when you give your 10 sympathy dollars, they're not going to the right place. Who gives a shit?

• 1:13:55Speaker 07

  I don't know, I think, look, maybe not prison, but she should have to go teach something to an inner city school with people of color.

• 1:14:05Laci Mosley?

  Teach? She just go, you don't wanna sit, you wanna sic this person on us?

• 1:14:09Speaker 07

  No, in person, in person and just let these, you know how rude high schoolers are now? They give her hell, I mean, they gonna snap so hard that, I mean, her emotions, her, her insides. She gonna feel like she got, she gonna feel like she had a tumor. That's what it's gonna feel like, it's gonna feel like she had a tumor by the time these high school kids get done with it, let them have their cell phones and TikTok, they ruin her ego. That's what, that's what they should do.

• 1:14:35Laci Mosley?

  Hey yo, they're gonna chop a candle.

• 1:14:39Speaker 07

  Oh, 2K Sam looking at me like they.

• 1:14:43Laci Mosley?

  I mean, she definitely needs community service and something that's productive. I don't know if I would say jail, but also not pictured here, but I saw photos about this. When I saw the story, she was using medical equipment and like taping fake things to her chest. And like really, when I saw you, she was giving cosplay like she was in the hospital. She really sold it.

• 1:15:04Speaker 07

  That's why like you should have a license to, I mean, because you can go get it. If she go to a medical supply store wearing scrubs, somebody gonna sell it to her. And she just changed clothes and put a gown on. You can't be trusting these bitches, man.

• 1:15:17Laci Mosley?

  You can buy hospital gowns all willy nilly. You're right about that. You know how people, look at this. She has taped it to her face. She got a pair of cord iPhone.

• 1:15:30Laci Mosley?

  Phone headphones are gonna stuck them deep in her nose so we can't tell.

• 1:15:33Speaker 07

  She just, she just out, she just out here like this. She just out, y'all can't see me at home, but she just out here.

• 1:15:40Speaker 07

  And she like, oh, wait, wait, let me tuck it in. Wait, what side is it on? Let me tuck it in. Let me tuck it in this side. There we go. Do I look sick? Do I look sick now? That's sad, man.

• 1:15:51Laci Mosley?

  Also, who are her friends and family? She has good friends and family because they did not snitch and clearly they would know if she was in treatment. The medical professionals snitched on her on TikTok. Not her mama, not her daddy, not any friends. She got a loyal community in circle. Unlike Chuck and Steve.

• 1:16:07Speaker 07

  I wonder if her parents are around. What her mama say? They got some, a quote from her mom or something down there. What her mama say?

• 1:16:13Laci Mosley?

  I feel like her mom was like, I don't know her.

• 1:16:16Speaker 07

  Maddie's always been distant with mental health. Like, come on, man. Maddie a creep.

• 1:16:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Maddie's a weirdo. Also, why would you think that you could go this public, especially TikTok? That's where the girls are like gonna research you. They're gonna be in the comments. They got all the terminology for every illness, disease. Why would you think? And they love to be detectives. TikTok people love to be like, oh, y'all can't solve this cold case. I will.

• 1:16:42Speaker 07

  TikTok ain't nothing but social sleuths. That's exactly what they are. That's exactly what they are. I want, how she get caught? Did you say how she got caught? How she get caught again?

• 1:16:49Laci Mosley?

  It was medical professionals who started to tip off like the police and stuff because they were like, none of this is adding up. And these photos, they're reverse image searching and realizing they're not her photos. Yeah, TikTok is the Harriet the Spy app. Don't go on, they're lying because they got magnifying glasses and they will find you.

• 1:17:06Speaker 07

  They will find you.

• 1:17:07Laci Mosley?

  And then they'll make their own TikToks about it.

• 1:17:08Speaker 07

  You shouldn't even have as much energy within this stage to put a TikTok guy like this.

• 1:17:13Laci Mosley?

  Well Madison, I I I hope you don't have to go to the clink. Um, but I hope you learned your lesson.

• 1:17:18Speaker 07

  I'm appalled.

• 1:17:19Laci Mosley?

  I don't think Madison's done. If you lie that hard, you went on Amazon and bought you some medical equipment. She's gonna be like Chuck. She'll continue doing crime.

• 1:17:26Speaker 07

  This probably, this probably wasn't round one. This is probably, she probably did a soft one just to open up and then this one took off quicker than she could like shut it down.

• 1:17:35Laci Mosley?

  Soft launch scam?

• 1:17:36Speaker 07

  I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, that's how I would have done it.

• 1:17:41Laci Mosley?

  And you are an expert.

• 1:17:42Speaker 07

  That's.

• 1:17:42Laci Mosley?

  We got expert on the podcast.

• 1:17:44Speaker 07

  Expert, ex expert.

• 1:17:45Laci Mosley?

  Ex expert, ex expert.

• 1:17:46Speaker 07

  I never did stuff with the, with the computers, with the computers. I never did stuff with the computers.

• 1:17:50Laci Mosley?

  Yes, no. And allegedly did other stuff. We don't know what, you know what? I don't think he did anything.

• 1:17:55Speaker 07

  I mean, it's all hearsay, it's all hearsay these days.

• 1:17:58Laci Mosley?

  It truly, allegedly, allegedly. And that brings us to the end of an amazing podcast. Thank you so much, Tom, for being here. We always ask our guests, would you like to be found? Any socials, shows, websites? With the N, all of that.

• 1:18:12Speaker 07

  Uh, watch Drink Masters on Netflix. I got a new show, a show coming out with, uh, Michelle Buteau and Tasha Smith called Survivor, the thickest on Netflix out in a few months, I'm sure. Uh, trigger warning, Coyote versus Acme coming out in theaters this summer. Instagram is just tone bell, T O N E B E L L. And I just started TikTok, actually. I, I didn't have a TikTok and then, so I just got on TikTok. I'm trying to figure that out. Uh, and then I'll, I'll be out here in these streets just on tour, making people laugh. So, uh, yeah, that's, that's, uh, that's me.

• 1:18:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And as always, guys, ditch on your friends and family at scamgotispod at gmail dot com. And if you want to find me, D I V A L A C I D, Velacy on all platforms. If you want to see all of these wild ass photos, scamgotispod on Instagram. If you want to chat with me, scamgotispod on Twitter. Congregation, stay chucking. You know, get out there, get your chuck on. Never quit, never stop.

• 1:19:07Speaker 05

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA The Scam Goddess. Our producer is Judith Cargbo, our recording engineer is Abby Aguilar, and our audio editor is Jessie Karen. Research for the show is done by Kalen Brand. Stay scamming.

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