Fraud Friday: Camp Chaos w/ Behzad Dabu

On this week's Fraud Friday, actor Behzad Dabu joins us to discuss how one summer camp shut down after 6 days of opening and is being referred to as the “Fyre Fest” of summer camps. Plus, a woman steals from a Walmart just by pretending to be a manager. Stay Schemin’! (Originally released 8/16/21) Research by Kaelyn Brandt. Sources: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/inside-the-landmark-forum_b_90028 https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/08/landmark-42-hours-500-65-breakdowns/ https://boston.cbslocal.com/2021/07/23/camp-quinebarge-new-hampshire-camp-closes-suddenly/ https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/07/22/metro/fyre-fest-overnight-camps-closes-after-6-days/ https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/us/summer-camp-reopen-counselors.html https://www.campquinebarge.com/ https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/connecticut/articles/2021-07-16/kids-weight-loss-camp-that-closed-has-history-of-violations https://www.fox10tv.com/news/suspected-serial-con-artist-accused-of-pretending-to-be-a-walmart-manager-to-steal-cash/article_3f56855e-f017-11eb-879b-f3164939a999.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw5cT8nfp1U

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• 0:02Speaker 00

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• 2:29Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 3:11Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's me, your girl, Scam Goddess. No, this is not a scam. Your girl is hoarse, honey. Your girl had laryngitis. They tried to steal my voice from me, y'all. Which is why y'all need to back the fuck back out of people's faces. Covid isn't the only thing that you can spread, okay? But I'm here, raspy voice and all, giving you smooth jazz today, okay?

• 3:34Laci Mosley?

  See, I can't even like make noises with my mouth. It's gonna be a ride, guys. I am so what? Yes, I'm excited. I'm really thrilled for our guest today. He's the homie. I've been wanting to get him on the podcast. It just happened so fortuitously today that I grabbed him when he wasn't super booked and busy like he always is. You've probably seen him on The Shy, How to Get Away with Murder. He's the director of the acting track right now at Hillman Grad with Lena Waithe. Come on, give in back. And he's got his own project that he's developing right now called Write I T E of Passage. Guys, we have Behzad Taboo. Behzad, hi.

• 4:13Speaker 06

  Hi, how you doing? Happy to be here.

• 4:16Laci Mosley?

  I'm so happy you're here. Oh, my gosh, this is great. This has been a long time coming, so I'm glad that the stars aligned today for this.

• 4:24Speaker 06

  Absolutely. I've been listening and I'm like, I gotta get on there. I wanna get on this podcast.

• 4:30Laci Mosley?

  I know, we've talked about it. I'm trying to get these episodes in before we start shooting iCarly again, so. Woo, woo, yes. But, okay, Baysa, I have to ask you up top. Do you have a relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like them? Do you hate them? It could honestly be anything.

• 4:49Speaker 06

  I do. I do have a relationship with scams. It's actually one of my best stories, but I don't want to take up the whole podcast with this story, so I'll try to make it quick. But there is a scam that you may have even covered on one of your episodes. It's called the Landmark Forum. Have you ever discovered, covered that scam?

• 5:04Laci Mosley?

  No, do tell.

• 5:06Speaker 06

  The Landmark Forum is like, uh, it's like Scientology Lite, and it's with, it's really popular with actors in Los Angeles. Um, and it's like they, your friend will kind of tell you that you're going to a networking event. And you show up to this networking event, but then they tell you you can't be on your phones. And, and you start to go, why can't I be on my phone at a networking event? And then it turns out they want your credit card, and they want to do like self-betterment and self-help and boom, boom, boom. But what's wild is, I was hating it. I was like, I, I, this, this sucks. Get me out of here. I can't believe my, my cousin brought me to this thing and I'm like.

• 5:43Laci Mosley?

  Not your cousin. That's a betrayal.

• 5:46Speaker 06

  Not even a blood cousin. One of those people that like your friends were, your friend, your parents were friends.

• 5:51Laci Mosley?

  Yes, we have play cousins in the black community. I have several.

• 5:55Speaker 06

  And we have them in our community as well. So I was like, all right, I can't believe you brought me here. I was super mad. But then, I swear to God, next thing I noticed, I had given them my credit card. And I had paid the money.

• 6:07Laci Mosley?

  Next thing you knew, wait a minute.

• 6:09Speaker 06

  Cause they, they got me. Like, they got me. They got me. But I woke up, they started talking.

• 6:15Laci Mosley?

  Well, I have a question.

• 6:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:17Laci Mosley?

  When you say they, is this like one charismatic person? Is this a group of people? Like, how are they like, okay?

• 6:26Speaker 06

  So it's a charismatic person on the stage, but there's a group of people with like name tags on that are like, during the 10-minute breakout sessions are like talking to you and stuff like that? Now, here's the thing that's wild to me. I hated it. Like, the whole time, my internal monologue is like, get me out of here, get me out of here, get me out of here, get me out of here. And then I ended up giving them my credit card, and I'm not like a weak-minded person, so I was like, what's going on here? I ended up getting my money back. Long story short, I'm skipping ahead a lot, but I have a friend who is a mentalist. He's like, that's what he does for a living. He's like a magician at the Magic Castle, but he's also like a mentalist. And he like, can like, you know, he does those, those shows where he like tells you what you're thinking and stuff.

• 7:07Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay.

• 7:08Speaker 06

  I called him. Yeah, right. I called him and I said, can somebody tell me, I was like, can you tell me how they got me? Like, how did they get me? I was mad. I don't even know why I gave them my credit card. Like, I don't even know why I did that. And he cut me off and he goes, Behzad, you're easy to get. And I was like, why? And he goes, I've known you for a long time. You're very passionate. And he said, whether you're passionate on the side of I hate this, or passionate on the side of I love this, it's equally as easy to get. He was like, the people that are hard to scam are the people that simply don't care.

• 7:46Laci Mosley?

  Ooh.

• 7:47Speaker 06

  And he was like, he was like, when I'm, he goes, when I'm doing a show and I see the husband who's leaning back, who got dragged here, who doesn't want to be here, who thinks I'm stupid, I can get him so easy because he is so passionate about hating me. He was like, but the guy that's just like on his phone texting, I can't get him because he's not giving me any attention.

• 8:06Laci Mosley?

  That's why they took your phone.

• 8:08Speaker 06

  That's why they take your phone.

• 8:09Laci Mosley?

  To polarize you. You had no way to escape. So either way, you're gonna get sucked in or you're gonna hate it. This is your drop in gems, Behzad. Okay. See you guys.

• 8:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:19Laci Mosley?

  If y'all are out there and you think something is fishy, like maybe just don't care. Maybe just come at it like, I don't know. Yeah, I'll sign up or maybe I won't. I don't know.

• 8:30Speaker 06

  Exactly. He was like, he was like, they saw you and I know you, you had it all over your face, how much you were not enjoying yourself and they were like, got him.

• 8:37Laci Mosley?

  Oh my God, because you're still listening.

• 8:39Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Intently listening during this brainwashing session. Anyway, I got out. I got out.

• 8:47Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but I have some follow up questions. So what were they promising in this acting program? Because I mean, look, we's hopped into the scammiest career of all time. No one becomes an actor the same way. A lot of people have similar stories, but there's so many different ways to do it. Maybe you, you know, went to theater school, or maybe you went to a conservatory, or did improv, or stand up, or you did regional theater, or you know, maybe you blackmailed an executive. You know, like, there's so many ways to become an actor. So what were they like, kind of guaranteeing, or like, telling you what was gonna happen?

• 9:23Speaker 06

  Maybe you were born into a legendary Hollywood family.

• 9:25Laci Mosley?

  Right. Oh, you know, the hardest acting track.

• 9:29Speaker 06

  Well, it's so funny, because all those things you just mentioned, I'm like, did it? Uh huh. Did that? Yup. Conservatory? Yup. Regional theater? Yup. Did that? Yup.

• 9:39Laci Mosley?

  Have you tried bribing an executive?

• 9:41Speaker 06

  I haven't done that yet.

• 9:42Laci Mosley?

  Okay, next step. Next one.

• 9:44Speaker 06

  I didn't know if that worked for people of color. Because the first step is like getting in a room with an executive. And how do you do that?

• 9:52Laci Mosley?

  They won't even let us through the front door.

• 9:53Speaker 06

  Yeah. Okay, so the landmark form is not just for actors. It's for anybody. It's just common with actors, I think. I think they like, they like prey on actors.

• 10:03Laci Mosley?

  It's giving Keith Raniere.

• 10:05Speaker 06

  Yes!

• 10:05Laci Mosley?

  Giving NXeum.

• 10:07Speaker 06

  It is. It's so funny, because I've talked to people about this, because I've watched all those docs. And I've talked to you about this, and I'm like, well, it's like Keith Raniere, except there's no sex stuff. And my other-

• 10:18Laci Mosley?

  We just want your money. We're not going to harm you, other than your wallet.

• 10:22Speaker 06

  But I will say this. You're probably gonna make a lot of people mad, and the Twitter comments on this post is probably gonna be crazy, because a lot of people are in landmark, Lacey, like-

• 10:31Laci Mosley?

  Are they really?

• 10:32Speaker 06

  Like, a lot of people are in it, and they swear by it, and they think it's fucking awesome. It's just like a self betterment thing. But.

• 10:39Laci Mosley?

  Well, you know what, though? People need community. That's what I learned um in acting. If any of you guys are aspiring actors or performers, one of the hardest things about it is like the loneliness. Because people don't understand what it takes to do this, how hard we work, how much money you spend on the front end. Acting is a sky yam yam, um especially getting in headshots. You gotta pay for self-taste, you gotta pay for wardrobe, you gotta look like a waiter, then you gotta look like a lawyer. Then you gotta look like a a destitute, uh you know, man on his luck. It's like you gotta have all these vibes and all this shit that you spent money on.

• 11:14Speaker 06

  And then there's like fourteen websites and you gotta upload all these pictures to all the websites. And each website is like twenty dollars a picture and you wanna change it, it's twenty dollars. And then you gotta do a yearly fee and then it's a it's a sixty dollar for a minute of audio on five websites. It's like, it's a lot.

• 11:29Laci Mosley?

  They be hustling at every turn and all of this is to audition for a job that maybe you could get, cuz it's probably offered to a bunch of people and they all have to say no for you to even get seen. Can you imagine if you were an accountant and they were like, hey, the girls at H and R Block would love to see you. Um, we're looking for people in their twenties to thirties, uh brown hair, green eyes, uh but also dark skin. And could you also dress like a waiter? Um, and then show up with photos of yourself and resumes, uh make sure you've got expensive photos. And then maybe we'll give you a job at H and R Block.

• 12:10Speaker 06

  Let's take it further with your analogy. So you're at H and R Block and you maybe mess up on something, right? Let's say you you mess up and you put the wrong number down or you fill out the wrong form. They're not gonna be like, hey, you, you're a bad person. They're gonna be like, hey, you messed up at your job, right? But for us, if we don't get something, it's like you, it's it's you that we don't like. We don't like your face, like we don't like your voice. We don't like you. It's so hard not to take that rejection personally cuz it's like, you're telling me it's me. You don't like me.

• 12:44Laci Mosley?

  In the beginning, I did because I did a scam thing that wasn't like Landmark, but it was one of those casting director classes where you go and you meet the casting directors who have absolutely no power and you pay them money and they tell you random things about auditions that you're not even at. It's like they're just giving you random advice and then they watch you do a monologue. And I had, I did a monologue once in New York City, I'll never forget, at Actors Access. And this woman told me, you know, you're really, this white woman, you know, you're really sassy and that's really out right now. Like, you know, you don't have to be a stereotype anymore. And at the time, I

• 13:28Laci Mosley?

  was like 20 and I was like, oh, this lady must know things because we pay, she's a casting director. So we, you know, and I took that with me for a few years where I was going into auditions, just trying to be what I thought people wanted me to be. Until one day, I don't know what made me snap out of it, but I was like, bitch, this is who I am. And so I go to every audition, I just slang me. I slang me like rocks. I'm like, you want some, you know, dap people up and slanging lacy rocks. And if you like it, you like it. And if you don't, that's not on me. But in the beginning, you really do think like, it's like you, you raggedy bitch.

• 14:01Speaker 06

  So you the, you the authenticity drug dealer?

• 14:03Laci Mosley?

  We hate you.

• 14:04Speaker 06

  Hey, yo, I got this authenticity, yo.

• 14:07Laci Mosley?

  We slanging vibes over here on the corner for our community.

• 14:11Speaker 06

  Hey, you want this sincerely and organic me?

• 14:14Laci Mosley?

  For the community center. Okay, we raising money for the community center, all right?

• 14:18Speaker 06

  This shit is all organic and authentic.

• 14:21Laci Mosley?

  It is 100% GMO, free, uh, me.

• 14:26Speaker 06

  No, but, but honestly, so for the listeners who are like, hey, I'm part of Landmark and it's amazing. And this community will, they'll come after you for saying that it's a scam.

• 14:34Laci Mosley?

  You seem afraid of them, Beza.

• 14:35Speaker 06

  I am a little afraid. I'm a little afraid. But I just want to say, for the people out there who are like, wow, wow, some people are saying it's real and some, he's saying it's a scam. Just Google Landmark scam and you'll see 500,000 articles about how people have like left the community and how it destroyed their families, destroyed their lives. Because yeah, people need community, but this is like a thousand dollars a week community. They trying to take your money, community. So.

• 14:54Laci Mosley?

  But it's community though. It's community though. Okay, so what? Yes, you do have to write us a check every week. Or you will be removed from community, but-

• 15:03Speaker 06

  They try to, they try to remove you from your closest people. So they make you call your siblings, your girlfriends, your exes, your parents. They want you to call them in front of everybody.

• 15:12Laci Mosley?

  This is AA?

• 15:13Speaker 06

  Yo, for real, it's like that. They want you to call them and then tell them all the ways they've wronged you. So I was there and this one girl, this one girl was like, super happy. I would say late twenties, early thirties, super happy. She was a performer as well. Um, and she, they made her call her dad and be like, yo, you missed my recitals or whatever when I was younger. And the dad on the phone was like on the mic, like on speakerphone, on the mic. And the dad was like, what? Like, she's calling him, talking about shit from 20 years ago. And she, and he was like-

• 15:45Laci Mosley?

  He was like, Katie, it's 8 a.m. What's, what's going on?

• 15:49Speaker 06

  He was like, are you okay? He's like, are you okay? Is something wrong? Are you okay? And she's like, I just want to say that like, you know, when you missed my recital, it like led me into a blah, blah, blah. And he was like, what? I paid for your college. What? What is going on? Honey, she's on the phone. Like, it was like, I was like, why are you ruining this person's life? This is crazy. Anyway, fuck landmark. That's what I got to say. I stand by it. I'm afraid of this, but I'm doing it because I'm bold. I'm 100% authentic, organic, me. That's what I'm slaying and I learned it from Lacey.

• 16:20Laci Mosley?

  Yo, I feel like we're gonna have to get into landmark on an episode because this sounds very fun and scammy. Um, anybody who's trying to isolate you from your loved ones, because that's a very quick way to do it. You know, other scams, they'll just try to like, keep you in the basement till 3 a.m. every night and you know, keep you busy. Landmark was like, no, call everybody you know and be like, let's fight. Call everybody you know. And be like, put your hands up because you wronged me, bitch.

• 16:46Speaker 06

  I have a question. When you do these episodes, do people come on your, uh, social media and be like, that's not a scam? You did a whole episode on this and that's not a scam. I love this thing.

• 16:54Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 16:54Speaker 06

  No? Alright, good.

• 16:55Laci Mosley?

  If you're listening to this show, you like scams and you're into it. I have had some people come after me though, uh, saying that there was defamation of their reputation. And I was like, listen, I don't know nothing about that. So we have had to remove some things, but you know, we don't have to get too meta. I don't worry about what people are. We just make art and then the world deals with it. I don't care outside of that. I also, this is a great time to plug again. I do not read critiques, okay?

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• 19:23Laci Mosley?

  Guys, but as always, if you want to snitch on your friends and family, [email protected]. We're gonna get into our first segment, what's hot and fried. Can you believe we've gone this long and we're not into the first segment? It's because Bayzad was a part of a cult.

• 19:39Laci Mosley?

  But guys, like I just said, [email protected], snitch on your fans and family. Just make sure their scam is retired, because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Alright, Bayzad, I need you to give me a fake name for this person.

• 19:53Speaker 06

  Michael Motorcycle.

• 19:55Laci Mosley?

  Michael Motorcycle. So, Michael says, "Hi Lacey, love the podcast. Oh, very nice stuff, Michael. I appreciate that." Uh, we're gonna get into it though. So, Michael said, "This happened to me when I lived in Oakland a couple of years ago. I love Oakland, but damn, there can be some aggressive scammers out there. I was grocery shopping at the Smith's down the road from my new place for the first time when a woman walks up to me with a plate of shrimp in her hand. She said, 'I really want to get this shrimp to celebrate my daughter's birthday tonight, but I can't afford it, and she loves shrimp.' She then puts a $30 shrimp plate in my basket and said, 'I'll be waiting outside at the front door,' and then walked away."

• 20:39Speaker 06

  Is there more?

• 20:41Laci Mosley?

  Uh, first of all, it's not a birthday. You don't want to get her a cake?

• 20:49Laci Mosley?

  You just go get some loose shrimp? Like, that's all?

• 20:52Speaker 06

  Wait a minute, but if Michael Motorcycle paid for the shrimp, then...

• 20:56Laci Mosley?

  It's not all. There's more to this story. But I'm pausing for a second, because I'm just trying to get in the psyche of this scammer. Like, and I learned, I talk about this all the time, I learned in my psych courses, if you give people an excuse, it doesn't matter what it is, if you just give them excuse, they're more likely to do the thing. So, if she had come up with the shrimp and just been like, "Ay, I need these shrimp, thank you so much," and put them in her cart and walked away, you wouldn't think twice to just take it out of your cart and be like, "The fuck was that?" But, the woman came up with a story, like, "Hey, I really need this $30 shrimp for my daughter's birthday. I don't need no butter, I don't need no garlic, I don't need no, uh, mince, uh, nothing, no onion. I just need the shrimp. I don't need no cake, I don't need no candles."

• 21:41Laci Mosley?

  I just need the shrimp.

• 21:43Speaker 06

  I love that she does. I love that she put it in the cart though, cuz that's kinda like, you know, when you're at a table at like a picnic table and there's like paper plates and stuff. Someone's like, hey, will you throw that away for me? You're like, no, you throw that shit away yourself. But if they hand you the plate and you're holding it. And you're holding it and then they're like, throw it away from me. You're like, alright, well, I might as well. It's in my hand. So that's a smart move on her.

• 22:04Laci Mosley?

  Right. We put it in the cart. And also, she's so aggressive. She said, I'll be waiting outside. That's a little bit threatening to me.

• 22:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, cuz she will be.

• 22:13Laci Mosley?

  What happens if I come outside without the birthday shrimp?

• 22:19Laci Mosley?

  How she gonna have a birthday shrimp at a birthday with no birthday shrimp on her birthday, you know?

• 22:23Speaker 06

  I mean, true.

• 22:25Laci Mosley?

  So, Michael Motorcycle says, I stood there in the grocery store like, what the fuck do I do? Like, what if I walk out without this thirty dollar plate of shrimp to hand and she's pissed? So, I bought the shrimp because it was jarring and I'd been commanded to do so. I walked outside, she was there, I gave her the shrimp and I went home. I saw her two weeks later, standing outside a thrift store, very close to the aforementioned Smith's. And she asked if I could go in and buy her pants. Now, sis.

• 22:57Speaker 06

  Pants?

• 22:58Laci Mosley?

  Now, but here's my issue, Michael Motorcycle. When you see this woman outside of the thrift store, why did you not make a beeline? You know, to the store. Why didn't you put your head down? Why didn't you fade into some bushes like Homer Simpson? Why did you allow yourself to cross this woman's path again? Why you ain't put your headphones on? Why you ain't pick up your phone and start talking to your lock screen? What are you doing? Why are you letting this lady?

• 23:26Speaker 06

  He's not good at that. I'm good, thank you. And, and walk with no eye contact. He made the eye contact and that's it.

• 23:32Laci Mosley?

  You gotta be like, I don't have it. Look, if I have it in cash, I normally would just go ahead and do it, you know? Cuz like, if you're asking for money or things, like, I understand that this, unfortunately Daddy Government is not set up to actually take care of its children. So, that kinda stuff doesn't bother me as much. But sis, you sending me on errands, like, bro, I already bought you some shrimp two weeks ago. I got you, I got your birthday shrimp. It was thirty dollar shrimp.

• 23:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 23:58Laci Mosley?

  But she probably knows.

• 24:00Speaker 06

  I grew up in Indian culture and so if a if a beggar in India comes up to you, they will find you every day at that spot with all their friends. They'll be there. So my grandparents was like, you give them one time, you're the guy. You're the guy. You're expected.

• 24:14Laci Mosley?

  Damn, now you locked in for life. They're like, you work for us now. You actually signed the W two that you work for us.

• 24:21Speaker 06

  I mean, what what happens if every time he goes into the store, she's out there waiting for shrimp and pants?

• 24:29Laci Mosley?

  Same name birthday, birthday shrimp and a birthday suit. Okay.

• 24:33Speaker 06

  He go about a week later, she's like, it's my birthday. Again? It was just your birthday.

• 24:37Laci Mosley?

  I said it was my daughter's birthday before. It's my birthday now. You gotta keep up. Damn.

• 24:42Speaker 06

  That's right. You're right.

• 24:43Laci Mosley?

  You know you my personal shopper. You should know me by now. I shouldn't even have to ask you for shrimp and pants no more. You should know the vibes when you see me.

• 24:51Speaker 06

  She's gonna figure out how many kids she has. Okay, let's go, Michael.

• 24:54Laci Mosley?

  So she sees the the woman again and the and the woman asked her to buy some pants. I said, no, good luck. I really hope she did get those pants if she needed them and I hope she enjoyed that shrimp. Love, Michael Motorcycle.

• 25:10Speaker 06

  So he didn't do it?

• 25:12Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 25:13Speaker 06

  But I want to know what happened when he left and he made eye contact. Was she waiting?

• 25:17Laci Mosley?

  Well, I mean, I think Michael came at it like, no, good luck. You know, he gave us some positive energy.

• 25:23Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 25:24Laci Mosley?

  That's how you gotta do nose. You gotta do nose with a smile, like, nah, uh-uh. Smile.

• 25:31Laci Mosley?

  I can't do that. Like, a lot of times I used to think the word can't stood for like stuff that you like were really incapable of doing, but can't can also just mean you don't want to. So a lot of times when people ask me to do stuff and I don't want to, I'd be like, I can't do that.

• 25:51Laci Mosley?

  And that's the truth. I can't because I won't allow myself to. There's something in my way and it's called me.

• 25:56Speaker 06

  I was gonna say, what happens when the follow up is, oh, why not?

• 25:59Laci Mosley?

  I got stuff.

• 26:01Speaker 06

  Oh, okay. All right.

• 26:03Laci Mosley?

  And then you smile. It's like, if I didn't have the stuff and I couldn't, then you know I would.

• 26:08Speaker 06

  Can we role play? Can like, can we role play real quick?

• 26:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, of course.

• 26:13Speaker 06

  Ring, ring. Hey, Lacy.

• 26:16Speaker 06

  I was wondering, so uh, I'm gonna be gone for a couple of days, I'm shoot, I'm doing this gig. Um, and I know you live like ten minutes away from me, can you come water my plants while I'm gone? Just, just every other day, can you come and water my plants?

• 26:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh damn, every other day? Damn, nah, I can't, I can't, I wish I could, but I can't.

• 26:37Speaker 06

  Oh, you can't? It would just take five minutes a day, why can't you?

• 26:40Laci Mosley?

  I know, and if I had the five minutes to do it, I absolutely would, like I, I, you know, you, I love plants. Like, I love botany and shit, for real, it's a passion, but I can't, I can't.

• 26:50Speaker 06

  Oh, you just can't? Oh, okay, cuz I see on your Instagram, I feel like you do have five minutes every day, I've been watching, I mean.

• 26:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you know Instagram ain't real, that's the highlight reel, baby, between all them stories, I'm crying, you know, so, I can't.

• 27:04Speaker 06

  Alright.

• 27:05Laci Mosley?

  But I hope you get somebody to water your plants, because I don't want them to dry out, they're so cute, they're so good.

• 27:10Speaker 06

  Okay, uh, well, thanks, thanks anyway, I guess you can't, I guess you can't.

• 27:14Laci Mosley?

  Of course, no, if I could, I would, but I can't, I gotta go, it's a burden, this guy.

• 27:23Speaker 06

  I could if I would, but I can't, so I won't.

• 27:27Laci Mosley?

  That's the moral right there, I could if I would, but I can't, so I won't. So, I mean, I just think more people have to, but I don't wanna discourage people to help, not help unhoused neighbors or people on the street, I just think that there is a way to go about it. However, in Oakland, it's like such an expensive city now, like Oakland has been so deeply gentrified, so many people have been driven out of their homes, the price has been hiked. I'm guessing that this store is probably a cute store, it's giving, what is Smiths? Is Smiths like a cute store, is it giving like, um, Whole Foods?

• 28:00Speaker 06

  I don't know Smiths.

• 28:01Laci Mosley?

  I don't know Smiths either, uh, J- Judith, uh, Marina, can y'all Google Smiths? I guess I wanna know if it's giving what's supposed to be gave, because I have a feeling that this is the kinda place that, if you're met.

• 28:13Speaker 06

  Is Smiths like Gelson's prices?

• 28:15Laci Mosley?

  Right, I have a feeling this is the kinda place that like privileged people shop, and then some people might know, like, oh, if we go in here and we just Debo these niggas, they know they gentrified this area, they know they fucking raised rent, like, they know they need to buy this birthday shrimp and shut they ass up.

• 28:32Speaker 06

  Or is Smiths Big Lots?

• 28:34Laci Mosley?

  Huh. I don't know. I feel like there's probably not a big loss in Oakland. It's such a like small little city. Like you don't see big box stores in tiny cities. So, super producer Judith Kargbo just told us that it's giving Ralphs. And if you don't have a Ralphs in your city, it's giving Publix. It's giving Albertson's.

• 28:57Speaker 06

  It's giving Wegmans. It's giving Jewel Osko.

• 29:01Laci Mosley?

  It's giving Kroger, you know, um.

• 29:04Speaker 06

  It's giving HEB.

• 29:06Laci Mosley?

  And this is a real deep cut for the southern girls. It's giving Winn-Dixie. Okay? So, you know, just so you guys know, that's what it's giving, um.

• 29:17Speaker 06

  Yo, I gotta say this, cuz I just read about this the other day, and this is the perfect podcast for it. You know when you go to like the dollar store and they have like a product and it's like a dollar, right? And you go to the grocery store and they have that same product and it's like four dollars? Well, it turns out that the, the dollar store product is made for the dollar store. And it's only twenty-five percent of the product that's four dollars. So it's actually the same amount of money. Like you can go get Dial Dishwash Soap, right? And that might be six dollars at the grocery store, but at the dollar store it might be a dollar. But at the dollar store, it's literally one-sixth of the amount. So you're actually getting scammed at the dollar store.

• 29:58Laci Mosley?

  What?

• 29:59Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:00Laci Mosley?

  So this whole time, I thought, that's like if McDonald's was like, oh, you could go get, uh, you know, gourmet cheeseburger. Or you could come to McDonald's and get this tiny cheeseburger.

• 30:11Speaker 06

  Right.

• 30:11Laci Mosley?

  Like, I thought it was the same size, but it was cheaper. They just selling you a smaller size?

• 30:15Speaker 06

  And, and the thing, like toilet paper and like paper towels, it's the same thing. It's just a smaller roll.

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 30:22Speaker 06

  See, they're getting us at every level. Scams all around. You'll never run out of ideas for this podcast.

• 30:29Laci Mosley?

  Well, guys, on that note, scams all around, we're gonna take a break for some non-scam advertisements. We'll be right back. Scams.

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• 32:38Laci Mosley?

  And we are back. And it's time for my, do y'all like this ASMR? I'm trying not to crack as much. Um, we're back with my favorite part of the podcast. Historic hoodwinks. This is where we regale Bezzad with a famous crime caper. Group of criminals conglomerate of con artists. Who knows? And we see by the end, if we like them or not, we don't know. But we'll get his opinions all throughout. And today we're talking about a story that the congregation, um, my good duties, my, uh, brothers and sisters, the deacons, the deaconesses, the first ladies, uh, y'all have been pushing this story. Um, you really wanted it and so we got it. This is basically little baby kid campfire fest.

• 33:20Laci Mosley?

  We're talking about Camp Quinnabarch, okay? Um, and this has been in the news stories a lot. Everyone's been talking about it. I'm very interested to get into it. So for 85 years, Camp Quinnabarch was a picture as summer camp on the shores of Lake Connaughtsaka in New Hampshire. However, this summer, things went differently. After only holding session for six days, the camp was shut down. Is now being called the Fyre Fest of summer camps. So summer camp in general is a scam because nobody sends their kids to summer camp so they can get enriched, so they can have an experience. You send them little motherfuckers away so you can get enriched,

• 34:04Laci Mosley?

  so you can have an experience. You're like, can y'all watch my kids for two months? Thank you so much. It's usually like two weeks, but you know.

• 34:13Speaker 06

  Nah, some people be going to camp for like eight, nine weeks.

• 34:17Laci Mosley?

  Like, is this camp or are you not coming back?

• 34:21Laci Mosley?

  Mama been at camp for eight months. Yeah, yeah, it's a year round camp. It's a year round camp. I'll see you at Christmas. What?

• 34:30Laci Mosley?

  So, you know, did you ever go to camps?

• 34:33Speaker 06

  I did, I did like the one week camps. I never did the long camps, but I, I did the camps I wanted to. I was really into basketball when I was a kid. So I went to like, you know, the whatever like local athlete would have like a basketball camp. It was like, it was like a go sleep away, like wake up, you know, at five in the morning and have breakfast and then like basketball all day stuff. Um, I did those camps and then I did like theater camps too.

• 34:56Laci Mosley?

  You did theater camps?

• 34:57Speaker 06

  I did, I did, I know. Believe me, I was called all kinds of things.

• 35:02Laci Mosley?

  It's time for me to stuff you in a locker. No, I'm kidding. I went to leadership camp like, yes, even nerdier.

• 35:10Speaker 06

  Uh, where'd you grow up?

• 35:12Laci Mosley?

  Uh, I grew up in Dallas, Texas. I went to Dallas Cowboy mini camp for mini, like mini camp cheerleaders. So the adult cheerleaders on the Cowboys would, I have pictures, I'll, I'll post one on the Instagram. They had, um, camps for five year olds where you would go, they would give you a mini Dallas Cowboy cheerleader outfit at the end when you perform. Your face based on cringe. Yeah, it was a crop top and a tiny little white skirt. It was the classic like blue underneath crop top and then the little white tie with the blue stars and then your, my little tummy was out. And then we had the little white, tiny little skirts and we wore little white sneakers.

• 35:50Speaker 06

  I can't wait for Netflix's documentary on this.

• 35:53Laci Mosley?

  Oh my God. As I'm describing it, I'm like, was this bad? Um, and then, and then the football players would come. So I really think that my mom like put me in this because my, my family wanted to meet Troy Aikman. Um, so Troy Aikman was, I think Troy Aikman was there. I know for a fact Emmitt Smith was there.

• 36:09Speaker 06

  Irvin, all those, yeah.

• 36:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. They would come to the like finale where we would all perform our little mini camp dances.

• 36:17Speaker 06

  You know, I grew up, I grew up in upstate New York, but I had the, the Dallas, um, the Dallas Cowboys starter jacket.

• 36:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 36:25Speaker 06

  You know, you like to pull over with the zip halfway and it had like the big silver star.

• 36:30Laci Mosley?

  You were in dangerous territory in that.

• 36:33Speaker 06

  I mean, and that was in upstate New York. I mean, nah, nah. I had Charlotte Hornets, Orlando Magic, all kinds of teams.

• 36:41Laci Mosley?

  You were ready to fight.

• 36:42Speaker 06

  Yeah. Anyway, so yes, I did some camps, but I didn't do the nature camps. I didn't do like the go and like camp and.

• 36:49Laci Mosley?

  Touch grass and find moss.

• 36:51Speaker 06

  Zip line, zip line in the lakes and stuff. No, I didn't do that.

• 36:55Laci Mosley?

  Okay. I didn't do that either. You know, that wasn't given what it was supposed to be gave for me. Um, I did go to the woods because that's like a thing in Texas. I don't know if they still do it, but when I was in fifth grade, we all went and had a sleepaway weekend trip in the woods with our teachers, which also sounds sus.

• 37:11Speaker 06

  Yeah. Once again, I'm like, I, I also though, I, I went to a really poor, I, I grew up poor. I grew up in a poor area of state New York and, and like, so I went to like kind of the, the, the school district that didn't have no money. So there were some schools that like, did these like really cool things in their school. Um, it just, we were like, no, we don't, we don't do that. We, we just didn't do that.

• 37:32Laci Mosley?

  When I had.

• 37:34Speaker 06

  My mom would save up money all year. My mom would save up all money all year to get me to go to the Syracuse Orangemen Gym Bay High and Basketball Camp once a year that I wanted to go to for a week.

• 37:42Laci Mosley?

  Oh, shout out to your mom.

• 37:44Speaker 06

  So much money for me to do that and buy me a pair of sneakers to do it.

• 37:47Laci Mosley?

  Oh, come on. She had you looking right too. She, I love, uh, a queen. We love that for you.

• 37:53Speaker 06

  My mom is a queen.

• 37:54Laci Mosley?

  So we have a little advertisement that we're gonna watch right now. Um, and I will describe to you guys, but let's see. Okay. So look at these lakes. Come on, New Hampshire is giving what it's supposed to give. Okay.

• 38:05Speaker 06

  Camp Quinnabarge.

• 38:07Laci Mosley?

  Camp Quinnabarge. They got the, the Apple music, that free license music.

• 38:12Speaker 11

  To me, Camp Quinnabarge is family fun.

• 38:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh, they got the kids jumping into this muddy ass water.

• 38:19Speaker 11

  Place where you can really get outdoors.

• 38:22Laci Mosley?

  Shit looking happy as hell. Okay. We know pause right here. So on this creepy looking man.

• 38:29Speaker 06

  He's wearing rosary beads around his neck. He's a white man wearing rosary beads.

• 38:33Laci Mosley?

  Are those rosary beads?

• 38:34Speaker 06

  What are they?

• 38:35Laci Mosley?

  It's not rosary beads. Those are, that's some kind of fake tribal shit they done made up.

• 38:40Speaker 06

  It does look like a fake. It looks like a fake Mayan Aztec thing.

• 38:46Laci Mosley?

  Yo, white people love making up some Native American folklore and being like, yeah, this what happened. I'll never forget, I was at some damn wine winery and we got a tour. And the tour guide was like, this is a cave where all the natives had painted on it. This real native paintings. I was like, nigga, no they not. Like, why you lying to us, to our faces? Disrespectful. I'm like, this paint is hella fresh. Like, who y'all lying? No, y'all didn't draw these little sticks up here and try to tell us that the natives did this. I hate y'all.

• 39:17Laci Mosley?

  But you know, it was a wine tour, so by that time you already done tasted about eight glasses. And by taste, I mean swallowed every one. So you like, mm, what else they do? This where they made the fire? Okay, sure. So, back to Camp Quinnabarge. The advertisement in large, at least from what we've watched, is kids selling it to other kids. So it was like, oh, I love coming to Camp Quinnabarge. Um, it's so diverse. We have a redhead. And everybody's funny and the food is giving what needs to be gave, uh, flavor. Um, as I pile this dry ass chicken onto this dry ass salad in this.

• 40:00Speaker 06

  The food looked horrible, y'all. The food looked really bad. It like, it looked like a coney and coleslaw on top of it on a paper plate. It looked bad.

• 40:09Laci Mosley?

  This is low white baby prison. I like it. So then they go to a man who's about to give his testimony with his, um, fake native beads on. And yeah, so let's look at, uh, three forty-three to three oh, or four oh four. I just want to see this friendship circle.

• 40:29Speaker 11

  After night activity, we do this thing called the friendship circle where we all hold hands right over left.

• 40:40Speaker 11

  Everybody participates and we sing and you're just as a whole like a family, which is nice.

• 40:47Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 40:48Speaker 06

  Oh my god, my jaw is on the floor, how creepy that is.

• 40:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, guys, what we just witnessed and we'll find a way for you to witness it as well. Is at the end of this advertisement.

• 41:04Speaker 06

  God, who included that and why?

• 41:06Laci Mosley?

  The children, they come back around and they say, hey, uh, so we love this thing that we do. Um, it's called the friendship circle. We do it every night. We uh, cross hands over hands and then we sing this chant about friendship forever and then.

• 41:28Speaker 06

  They cross hands and hold, like they cross arms and hold hands.

• 41:32Laci Mosley?

  Uh, in a circle around a fire.

• 41:34Speaker 06

  And they were like, I was also confused by the age ranges. You got like fourteen year olds and four year olds and everybody was like together and like in each other's laps. I was like, that person is fifteen, that person's three. What's going on?

• 41:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're supposed to have separation. It's, you know, you have groups of children. You don't have them piled all together. Um, and then at the end, it was like, when everyone leaves, they're always crying. And then they had, they interviewed the children. It's like, I have made friendships here for life, like, these poor children. But you do feel that way. I, I do remember like leaving certain things and being like, oh, these are my new best friends. Never saw them motherfuckers again. Um, but at the time, I was like, no.

• 42:14Speaker 06

  I'm trying to understand why someone would include that part in the video because the first half of the video, I was like, alright, I, I, I wouldn't, but I understand why someone would send their kids here. But the second half, if you send your kids here after seeing that video, you deserve everything that happened to you. Come on.

• 42:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I mean, camps are weird, you know? All, I told you, they're, they're an experience for the parents because you leave your kid and then you get to like wake up when you want and like, you know, you can have sex and you don't have to blare the music and, and be like mommy and daddy are taking naps on each other, you know, like you can be an adult for a little bit. You can go get drunk, you know? Uh, which you, I guess you could do when your kids are at home, but you probably shouldn't. Um, I was watching a TikTok the other day and then a bunch of teachers were commenting and they were like, kids tell all your business at school. And they were like, all the kids tell everyone's business, like your Pam, their parents' business. And she said, it's really telling when she has five-year-olds playing in houses.

• 43:14Laci Mosley?

  And then she says, everybody wants to play drunk.

• 43:18Laci Mosley?

  It's really telling what's happening at home.

• 43:20Speaker 06

  Mommy, where's my birthday shrimp? You promised you were gonna get me birthday shrimp, mom?

• 43:27Laci Mosley?

  No, these kids are at fake restaurants trying to make Play-Doh margaritas. Uh, so, so drop them off at camp so you don't scar them.

• 43:37Laci Mosley?

  So, Camp Quinabarge is traditionally an overnight co-ed summer camp, offering friendships, outdoor activities, and unforgettable summer. How do you offer friendships? Okay. I mean, there is somebody in the video who says, everybody's really funny here.

• 43:52Laci Mosley?

  How do you know that? They're just enrolling people. Is there an audition process?

• 43:58Laci Mosley?

  Somehow, everyone's really funny. So, Camp, uh, they have four weeks where campers aged six to sixteen, to your point, Behzad. Six to sixteen is a big gap.

• 44:09Speaker 06

  That's a big gap between a twelve-year-old and a seven-year-old. Come on.

• 44:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, this is, yeah. So, for four weeks, they can stay in New Hampshire for the low price of five thousand eight hundred dollars.

• 44:23Speaker 06

  Cheaper than a babysitter for a month.

• 44:25Laci Mosley?

  Right. Can you put a price on boning in your kitchen because your kids are at Camp Quinabarge? No, you can't.

• 44:34Laci Mosley?

  The camp has remained a nostalgic favorite of New England children for over eighty-five years. Meaning, it's a nostalgic favorite for New England parents for over eighty-five years. They were like, look, you can dump them at Camp Quinabarge. They come back whole. Nobody does anything bad to them. Great place to dump them for two to four weeks. Wonderful. So, Eric Carlson, a former camper and counselor, Eric loved this shit so much. He said, bitch, I'm about to start working up in here. Okay, is Camp Quinabarge's executive director. He bought the camp.

• 45:07Speaker 06

  This is the guy with the tribal necklace.

• 45:08Laci Mosley?

  Yes, this is the guy in the video with the tribal necklace who's wearing a very wrinkled shirt. He looks like he like jumped into the brown lake and then just walked out and air dried.

• 45:21Speaker 06

  He looks like the, he looks like the commenters on the white celebrities who don't shower who are like, I, I just shower in the lake all summer.

• 45:29Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's like if you, if you jumped in the lake, you took a bath. It's giving lake bath. It is. So he's the executive director. If you could believe that, he does not look like he's an executive, but okay. He bought the camp with his wife, April 2021, but they have been running it together since 2012. However, this summer, the camp experienced so much difficulty with staffing and food deliveries that it had to shut down after only being open for six days. I know these parents were pissed. They thought they was gonna get a month off and they only got six days.

• 46:03Laci Mosley?

  It's not enough time. So trying to staff the camp during COVID. You see, I said April 2021. So like, this is recent. The summer fiasco began when only 36 of 60 camp workers that were hired June 1st actually showed up. While extreme, this occurrence isn't entirely common, uncommon this year, right? So Camp Shane, a weight loss camp in Connecticut, lost 10 of its 22 counselors during the first two weeks of the session in the summer, prompting its own abrupt shutdown.

• 46:33Speaker 06

  Hold on. How toxic do you think that weight loss camp is?

• 46:37Laci Mosley?

  Well, it says in the note that the camp is currently under state investigation. And a few details are released.

• 46:44Speaker 06

  They probably just withhold food, create a bunch of, uh, future anorexic and bulimia, like, uh, victims. Like, like, like, like, this is crazy.

• 46:53Laci Mosley?

  And then their, their website says Camp Shane. Learn, laugh, lose.

• 47:02Speaker 06

  And that Camp Shane looks like Camp Shame.

• 47:05Laci Mosley?

  It does. Are you kidding me?

• 47:08Speaker 06

  This is horrible. I bet that camp is so toxic and doing so much damage. Oh my God, there's before and afters of eight year olds.

• 47:13Laci Mosley?

  There's before and afters of children.

• 47:16Speaker 06

  Oh my God. Oh, and the before and afters are clearly photoshopped and this is horrible for, for body image.

• 47:22Laci Mosley?

  This is so fat phobic and mean. Can you imagine going to camp? You think you about to have a good time and then you get there and they are controlling what you eat, making you think about your body all the time, forcing you to exercise and then making you take before and after photos.

• 47:42Speaker 06

  During the like formative years?

• 47:44Laci Mosley?

  Oh, this is, oh, this is horrific. Oh, I hope the state takes them down.

• 47:49Speaker 06

  Horrible.

• 47:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my god, that's so nasty. Ew, I can't believe these places still exist.

• 47:56Speaker 06

  I, it's so nineteen ninety-five to have a place like that.

• 47:59Laci Mosley?

  It really is. It's giving parent trap. Like, why do these camps exist? So, I hope that the investigation does not go well for them, because I can't imagine an ethical place where you do that shit. Like, you can't ethically do what they're doing. So, I hope they get them. So additionally, it's typical that about a quarter to a third of staff are made up of workers on J one visas, mostly from England. So when they're getting these camp counselors, they're almost doing it like how they staff cruise ships. Like, they go and get people from different countries who don't know no better, or who are just trying to get that visa poppin', and this is like a way to slide, you know?

• 48:38Laci Mosley?

  So J one visas are non-immigrant visas designed for work-study-based cultural exchange programs, mostly for students or for people in their early twenties. Work J one visas must hold positions that are of an educational or cultural benefit for them, meaning they're only allowed to be hired as counselors.

• 48:58Laci Mosley?

  So, you know, college students, they'll work for pennies, you know? Um, most of us did. So, however, this year, COVID either grounded or delayed visa processing for most workers looking to come to the US, combined with already existing staffing shortages, the camp enrolled twenty percent more campers than twenty nineteen, further increasing the number of staff that the camp needed to function. So, in twenty nineteen, they was probably like, oh, we'll send the kids to camp, maybe next year, whatever. But then after being locked up with them motherfuckers for twenty twenty, everybody was like, all y'all going to camp.

• 49:34Speaker 06

  Right.

• 49:36Laci Mosley?

  If you were indoors with your kids, God bless you for a year.

• 49:40Speaker 06

  Can't even imagine.

• 49:41Laci Mosley?

  You sending them all to camp. They all going to camp. Like, Mom, I'm eighteen. Yeah, you still going to camp.

• 49:47Speaker 06

  We gonna say sixteen on this birth certificate.

• 49:49Laci Mosley?

  Right. They not gonna really check. They want they fifty-eight hundred dollars. So. This year, COVID either, so we, we know COVID kind of ruined what was happening. The result was that fifty-two counselors and thirteen counselors in training were hired and, and three were fired on the first day of camp. According to at least five staff members, this led to staff members being put into positions of responsibility with little to no training and long working hours. One counselor, twenty-one-year-old MJ Lowry, said of their training, "I was hired about four days before campers arrived. I played kickball and got to see the turtle and the frog and the pond and learned about tadpoles. It was stuff like that." Such was the camp's desperation that it began offering travel incentives.

• 50:33Laci Mosley?

  The camp paid for MJ and her emotional support cat, not the emotional support cat,

• 50:40Laci Mosley?

  to be flewed out. And they contacted former employees offering them jobs. So they were like, "We'll fly you and your cat out, city girls, okay? Like, what do y'all need? Okay? Y'all trying to get flewed out to camp, Quinna Barger and all?

• 50:57Speaker 06

  I feel like training for a camp that has six to sixteen-year-olds needs to be about like, what to do if someone gets their period? What to do if there's a fight? What to do if there's bullying? What to do if there's like, you find some sexual activity? What if someone comes out to you? What if someone else? Their training was kickball and tadpoles?

• 51:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they say you gotta go out here and know where to find the tadpoles. You gotta know this kickball. I mean, are we making sure everybody is CPR certified? Like, you know, who's lifeguarding these kids jumping into this nasty lake?

• 51:30Speaker 06

  This brown lake?

• 51:32Laci Mosley?

  This brown ass lake. Who's doing, like, what's going on, sis?

• 51:36Speaker 06

  What if someone's like, "I got bit by a snake"? You're gonna be like, "Well, uh, you should run to first if you kick it hard enough."

• 51:42Laci Mosley?

  Right, I feel like people can figure out kickball and tadpoles. I, I'm not a biologist.

• 51:50Speaker 06

  Nor am I, but we can scam some people, I bet.

• 51:53Laci Mosley?

  But listen, I know what a tadpole look like. Well, I can figure that out, like, but you probably should teach safety stuff to these people.

• 52:01Speaker 06

  Yo, you learn kickball in the title, pretty much.

• 52:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's pretty much kick the ball, you know? Run the bases, it's real easy. But, okay. Problems began arising before the first week even finished. Several days in, dissatisfaction amongst counselors was simmering due to their hours and poor pay, prompting an emergency meeting that deteriorated into shouting.

• 52:23Laci Mosley?

  According to Mr. Carlson, counselors were paid two thousand to four thousand dollars for the summer. Activities were understaffed, overworked staff were screaming at each other in front of the children, and people continued to quit or be fired. One father found a letter home from his son after picking him up, reading, "We have been in tears, bored, and devastated the whole day. The camp director is lying to you all. You have to trust us. You have to. We're not joking. We're not having fun. So many things are wrong with this place."

• 52:57Speaker 06

  Oh my God. This is the fire fest. It really is.

• 53:00Laci Mosley?

  This baby sent a message in a bottle. He was like, "Help!"

• 53:06Speaker 06

  He said, "This is excruciating. I'm bored."

• 53:10Laci Mosley?

  He said, "Daddy, we fighting for water."

• 53:13Speaker 06

  He said, "There's been tears. This is horrible. Get us out of here."

• 53:18Laci Mosley?

  He said, "One of my bunkmates fell out the bed, broke his arm. They came in, they started talking about kickball."

• 53:25Speaker 06

  Daddy's having sex with mommy in the kitchen counter, and he's like, "You sure it's so bad? Come on, it can't be that bad. We gave you fifty-eight hundred dollars for this."

• 53:34Laci Mosley?

  Hey, come on, what about the tadpoles? Go outside and touch grass.

• 53:37Speaker 06

  Go play some kickball.

• 53:38Laci Mosley?

  I know they got grass. How could you be bored? There's rocks out there. Get a game of sticking rock going. Quit playing.

• 53:45Speaker 06

  And I promise, on your birthday, we'll get you some shrimp.

• 53:47Laci Mosley?

  Right. So, allegedly, according to a counselor known as Dodger, who would work in food prep, you know, he's trustworthy, the commercial dishwasher was broken. This led to some kids reportedly receiving improperly washed dishes. Oh, not the dirty dishes. A kid was also served raw meat during a meal, leading to the firing of one chef. Four girls from the same bunk were quarantined due to vomiting, a fact Rebecca Grove had to find out from her daughter, who was immunocompromised and was also in that bunk after she had been picked up. The girls were sick from dehydration and were tested and quarantined in compliance with COVID protocols. One camper was also responsible for bruising Rebecca's other

• 54:27Laci Mosley?

  child, eight-year-old Kayden, in the head with a wooden block, as well as punching a staff member. Counselor Chris Bigler.

• 54:37Speaker 06

  She hit another student with a wooden block?

• 54:40Laci Mosley?

  So, a camper had two children, Rebecca and then her other child, eight-year-old Kayden. So, one camper hit her son, her son Kayden, in the head with a wooden block. And then he also punched a staff member, Counselor Chris Bigler, not Mr. Bigler. Note that Counselor Chris happened to be one of the former campers, the directors called offering employment, and is described by eight-year-old camper as "the counselor who did not quit." Everyone else did. So, we're ramping up to the end of this here. The camp had difficulty maintaining its LGBT-friendly environment for both campers and counselors. Trans counselors said they did not always feel comfortable,

• 55:22Laci Mosley?

  and several patients withdrew their children because they did not want them living with a, with a trans counselor. There were several smaller problems as well during the week that started to tip parents off, such as letters home, arriving late, the camp's photographer leaving the Facebook group, and the lack of communication from the directors and administrators. So, the kids was writing these letters home like, "Help!" I bet you the counselors were like, "We should hold on to these."

• 55:50Speaker 06

  This sounds horrible, and then the transphobia, and we adding all kinds of nonsense.

• 55:55Laci Mosley?

  They were doing everything. They were doing the Fyre Fest food. They weren't giving the kids water. They, that, they, that, there was angry bully children out here hitting people. It went full Lord of the Flies.

• 56:08Speaker 06

  My question is like, after all these horrible days and vomiting and violence and transphobia, are they then getting together at night and holding hands and singing the Camp Quanahog song? Are they, are they then be like, "Camp Quanahog."

• 56:25Laci Mosley?

  My head!

• 56:26Speaker 06

  Also, the thing about Fyre Fest, I think, I think when people, I think part of the reason why the whole world enjoyed laughing at Fyre Fest is because it was wealthy, like, 24-year-olds. Spending their TikTok money.

• 56:42Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 56:42Speaker 06

  On, on this, and so you're kind of like, "Ha ha, you deserve it." But with these, it's just like kids.

• 56:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it's children, and they signed up to hold hands and be with people who are funny.

• 56:54Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 56:56Laci Mosley?

  And jump in a dirty lake. And kickball.

• 57:00Speaker 06

  And kickball and taboos.

• 57:02Laci Mosley?

  They didn't sign up for this shit. It's not cool.

• 57:04Speaker 06

  Tribal necklaces that we get to take home.

• 57:07Laci Mosley?

  Right. And pretend that they're actually from some native people that we stole from. Like, you know, that's what they expected.

• 57:13Speaker 06

  Right. So when I see like a twenty-two-year-old, rich, white, trust fund kid spend thirty thousand dollars to go to this island and it fails, like, I'm like, ha ha.

• 57:23Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 57:23Speaker 06

  But with this, it's a little different.

• 57:24Laci Mosley?

  This is gut-wrenching. So, the end. In the middle of the week, Mr. Carlson sent out a note to parents stating that the past couple of days have been rough. I think that's an understatement. When you've got girls throwing up and instead of calling their parents to pick them up, you put them in a cabin and be like, y'all just throw up together. What?

• 57:41Laci Mosley?

  So the next day, the parents were told to pick up their kids immediately following a summer of challenges capped by the camp's food delivery arriving. Wait. According to Cisco, the camp's food provider, they confirmed their delivery would have arrived a day late. They knew that the food was gonna come late. The camp immediately closed the rest of the summer operations. A few days later, they released a statement, "Without a doubt, this was a result of complications brought on by the pandemic and not to any long-term issues with the camp operations. Despite disappointment, we have received many calls and emails of support." Have you? They plan on regrouping and opening for the twenty-twenty-two summer season. While some parents have been reimbursed, not every parent has gotten their money back and they have difficulty reaching the camp directors. I'm sure they do. If I have your money and I don't wanna give it back, it's gonna be real hard to reach me.

• 58:25Laci Mosley?

  So, many of the campers' parents have joined.

• 58:27Speaker 06

  The service, the service in the woods.

• 58:29Laci Mosley?

  It's so bad. I can't hear you. No, I can't, cuz I don't want to. That's why I can't.

• 58:35Speaker 06

  Hold on, we're doing wonderful activities for the children. I gotta go. Goodbye.

• 58:39Laci Mosley?

  It's some taboos. Hold on. Bye. So, many of the campers' parents have joined a private Facebook group called Abandoned Camp Q twenty-twenty-one, where they've traded their stories. Despite the year's incidents, many campers remain loyal to Camp Quintabarge. Of course they do. That's where they get rid of their kids. Charlotte Charnock twelve says, "Camp was one of my favorite places like on earth. My friends got really annoyed when I would constantly talk about camp and how fun it was. I think this year was just an off year." Look, Charlotte is hooked on. The camp crack. She said, I will be back. Okay.

• 59:13Laci Mosley?

  And it's time for scammer of the week. This is where we highlight honorary criminals, charlatan, uh, miscreant. Maybe we like them, maybe we don't. Let's see. So today we're talking about a serial con artist who's been arrested in Mobile, Alabama, after pretending to be a Walmart manager to steal cash. Wow. Jamie Brown, how do you just walk into a Walmart and be like, I work here?

• 59:33Laci Mosley?

  It's not really how employment works, but okay.

• 59:36Speaker 06

  I don't even understand. Like, even if you said work here, how does that get you cash?

• 59:40Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. I work here. What's the keys to the safe?

• 59:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, what?

• 59:45Laci Mosley?

  Let me go to Wells Fargo. Hey, uh, I just got off the horse and buggy. You know, the one out our logo. Yeah, I work here. Where the safe? So Jamie Brown, thirty-eight, of Tybodil, Louisiana, walked into a Walmart and told a new employee that she was doing a money drop and needed all the large bills in their drawer. When she received the money, she calmly walked out. Come on, Jamie Brown. Yes, sis, you better give us these hoops and this earrings. You better smile for this mugshot. Okay.

• 1:00:13Speaker 06

  Honestly, I'm not lying. I feel like she looks like a face smash between you and me, Lacey.

• 1:00:18Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God. Don't say that. Oh, my God.

• 1:00:20Speaker 06

  She looks like one of those, like, Instagram.

• 1:00:22Laci Mosley?

  Are you telling me that's what our kids would look like? I'm never having kids with you, Bazan. Oh, my God.

• 1:00:27Speaker 06

  I didn't, I didn't. All right.

• 1:00:30Laci Mosley?

  So Jamie, one, I'm proud of you. I think I like this scammer. So when she received the money, she just walked out. She was just like, all right, thank you so much. I work here. Police caught up with her two days later and arrested her for the theft. However, this wasn't Jamie's first foray in grifting or being caught. She committed theft. That's why she's smiling in her mugshot. She was like, y'all got me again.

• 1:00:50Speaker 06

  How much did she take?

• 1:00:52Laci Mosley?

  I don't know yet. Um.

• 1:00:54Speaker 06

  I wonder if they arrested her over like twenty bucks or like was it like two thousand?

• 1:00:58Laci Mosley?

  Let me get all the large bills. So it must have been a decent amount of money. Uh, she committed a felony theft at another Walmart in twenty eighteen and another in twenty nineteen. She does have a face that looks like she manages a Walmart. Like, it's, I mean, she has the face of a Walmart manager. And reportedly turned herself in a month after. That same Christmas season, Jamie was labeled a Grinch by the Saint Mary Parish Sheriff's Office after scamming a local business in Louisiana and walking out with three thousand dollars in merchandise. She turned herself in shortly after the social media post was made. Why she turned herself in is my question, like. Do you just, sis, keep the money?

• 1:01:35Speaker 06

  I think she likes getting caught. She kinda likes getting caught.

• 1:01:39Laci Mosley?

  Or is she turning herself in like, but doesn't have the cash? Is she stealing like enough to where she knows this is not gonna be like a felony? Also like, I don't know, is it theft? She, they should verify who manages the Walmart. Like she just came in and said, give me money. If you gave me money, it feels like that should be on you.

• 1:01:56Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:57Laci Mosley?

  It's not like she was like, this is a stick up. She'd have guns.

• 1:02:00Speaker 06

  No, no guns. And honestly, you can like, you can put a Walmart logo on a blue polo and call it a day. Who's gonna doubt you?

• 1:02:08Laci Mosley?

  Especially if you have a face of a manager. She had the face of a Walmart manager. So, why would I, why would I not believe her?

• 1:02:14Speaker 06

  I don't dislike her. I'm kinda team her.

• 1:02:16Laci Mosley?

  I'm team her, okay? I think I'm, I'm team her.

• 1:02:19Speaker 06

  She's finding new, new ways to scheme, scheme. And who's she taking money from? The Walmart family? That's okay with me.

• 1:02:25Laci Mosley?

  I think they'll be fine. I think they're doing great. Uh, but guys, that brings us to the end of another episode of Scam Goddess. As always, if you wanna snitch on your friends and family, [email protected]. Do not write me any notes about how my voice sounds, okay? I am fighting to make sure that these episodes come in on time for you. Because I love you. Uh, guys, the merch is fire. Are you guys on PodSwat.com? And as always, if you wanna find me, D I V A L A C I D, Velacy on all platforms. If you wanna follow the show, Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms. And Behzad, we always ask, where do you want to be found?

• 1:03:02Speaker 06

  Uh, I can be found on Twitter and on Instagram. On Instagram and Twitter, same handle. It's at B E H Z A D D A B U. It's my first and last name, um, on Twitter and Insta.

• 1:03:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes, thank you so much for coming on, Behzad.

• 1:03:15Speaker 06

  Thank you so much for having me. A dream come true.

• 1:03:18Laci Mosley?

  And congregation, stay Schemin.

• 1:03:24Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf Production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Faiz, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay Schemin.

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