SC EP:1283 Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot

David Andrec writes "I'm one of the cofounders of a Sasquatch research group in Ontario. Canada called Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot. My primary contribution to the organization is recording audio I have some clips. I've captured over the last eight or so years that perhaps you and your audience may find interesting. I've always been fascinated by this aspect of research. If you'd like to know more about our organization or would potentially be interested to have me as a guest get back to me whenever Here's the link to our website www.seekingontariosbigfoot.com http://www.seekingontariosbigfoot.com

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me.

• 0:24Speaker 00

  They don't make people that, that big.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  The way it moved.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  They were screaming at each other in gibberish.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

• 0:57Speaker 01

  I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw bears.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  911, what are you reporting?

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, you better. Karen, see him.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Get somebody out here.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  What's going on now, sir?

• 1:23Speaker 03

  That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Do you see him now, sir?

• 1:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

• 1:32Speaker 04

  This is Blair coming to you from Delonge, Georgia, the home of the first gold rush. And you're listening to the best podcast in the world, Sasquatch Chronicles.

• 2:13Wes Germer?

  Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here. We're going to be speaking with David Andert. He's from Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot. And if you go to seekingontario'sbigfoot.com, you can check out his research, some of the audio he's captured. And he'll be sharing his different experiences with us tonight. And he brought along a lot of cool audio files I'll be playing for you. And I'm excited to have him on. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out sasquatchchronicles.com.

• 2:56Wes Germer?

  You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome David to the show. David, thanks for being here.

• 3:07Speaker 06

  It's my pleasure, Wes. Thanks for having me.

• 3:09Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I'm excited to have you on to talk about your different experiences and we're going to play some audio tonight. For the audience, go to seekingontario'sbigfoot.com and check out David's work. David, you actually have a YouTube channel called Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot. Tell me a little bit about the channel.

• 3:30Speaker 06

  We're not really, uh, you know, we're not really a producer of a lot of social media. I mean, it's just kind of a secondary means of communicating and just providing some information because we do get a lot of email inquiries in terms of people who may be interested in joining our organization. And they just kind of oftentimes will ask, you know, what's a typical, what's a typical outing like? Or what kind of research are you guys doing when you're out in the field? So it's just a place where we can kind of share and encapsulate perhaps what we would do during a typical outing. And also some of the more interesting finds that we've been able to come across during some of our research.

• 4:13Speaker 06

  So our videos are typically like, you know, maybe eight to 10 minutes long and they're just allowing you to kind of like come along with us as we check out a particular property or investigate some things that we come across when we're out on a night vigil or sometimes after we've done some analysis, usually revolving around audio analysis and stuff when we go out and do our overnight trips. We always put out audio recorders and stuff and we'll just, if we've captured anything of interest or significance, you know, we'll have a tendency to share that stuff to you. So it's, um, we're not really, uh, monetizing anything like we're not merchandising stuff or anything.

• 4:55Speaker 06

  That's really just a place for people to kind of get a sense in terms of who are the people behind the organization and kind of really what our modus operandi is as far as the mandate and the mantra of the organization and stuff. And there's some pretty interesting varied information there. There's, we came across this very unusual set of, uh, they're almost like pungy sticks that were installed across a game trail in a very, very remote part of a forest, uh, forested area, a couple hours north of Toronto that we've been investigating for some time. And it just was very unusual. We'd never seen anything like it before. And it just raised a lot of

• 5:36Speaker 06

  interesting questions as to whether or not these animals are actually implementing tool use. And are they making use of, uh, objects in their surrounding in order to help them perform a more efficient kill or anything? So we found these sticks that had been installed in the ground and crossed, uh, this game trail at a height that was just pretty much at the lower end of the belly of, of an andulant, like a deer or whatever. And there was no, no one had been getting into this area. There was no, I mean, there's no signs of hunting activity. And we really had to bushwhack pretty hard to even get to the spot. And we were just following up on a, on what we thought may have been a seasonal, uh, travel corridor.

• 6:20Speaker 06

  So we're kind of, we're trying to see if perhaps these animals were moving through this particular area at this time of year. Um, in this area, there are some seasonal fish runs. There's also various tender fruit crops that come to fruition in the fall. So we'd always suspected that the animals were moving through this area. And during this reconnaissance, we came across this very unusual set of sticks that were crossed across this game trail. And we're like, this is really done intentionally. This took a lot of thought, a lot of planning. And it required absolutely to have, you know, the dexterity of being able to use hands to do it. And it just didn't make sense for a person to do it. Like, why would you, if you're a hunter?

• 7:05Speaker 06

  Why would you bother going through, uh, something like that to assist you in, in, you know, killing your quarry or whatever. But, you know, if you were living, you know, in a feral condition and you're trying to increase your odds and your chances of making a successful kill. In that case, it made every bit of sense. And, uh, it was just a very, very interesting, open question. So that's, you know, one of our videos explores that topic.

• 7:33Wes Germer?

  Yeah. And I know that we have some audio we're going to play that you guys have captured. And I was kind of curious how you got into this. Like, can you back up for a moment? Will you kind of explain the sticks and why it stood out to you that this find you're talking about?

• 7:49Speaker 06

  Sure. So, uh, we'd come across this, we'd come around this roundabout within the forest. And we just finished climbing over a lot of deadfall and stuff like that. So there was just this ground cover. It was, it looked almost like ivy, but it was much taller. But we noticed that there is a very, very noticeable game trail that had been, had been used by, you know, suspect deer or whatever, undulating through this, this portion of, of the forest system. And I'm like, I'm, I'm just going to go see if I can, you know, find any hair or find any other, uh, possible indicators that, you know, the Sasquatch have traveled through here or whatever. And I was, I was walking through, my foot nudged into one of the sticks.

• 8:34Speaker 06

  And then I was like, okay, I'll just decide to bend over and have a look to see what I bumped my foot into. And it was this probably like, it was hardwood. I'm guessing maple. But the sticks were probably maybe two and three quarter feet long, maybe, maybe three feet long. And they were, um, probably about the width of like my index finger. So, um, you know, significant width, very strong, very dry. The ends of the sticks had, they looked like they had been chewed on almost into a very conical point. Quite sharp, actually. Like there was no sign of hardening by fire or anything like that, like,

• 9:15Speaker 06

  but, but it was definitely absolutely modified. And then, and then when I rooted around a bit more, I realized there was another one coming up in the opposite direction. And they were crossing each other to stabilize each other across the center, central portion of the path. And then I just cleared out a little bit more and there was two more doing exactly the same thing. So there are four sticks crossing this, this, this pathway. And I could just, if something had crossed that or ran across that at high speed, whether it's being chased or whether, um, you know, it's being pursued or something like that. Those sticks would have literally gutted that animal and that animal would have bled out. I have no doubt. So it was very, very, uh, very, very definitive

• 9:58Speaker 06

  structure that was built, very, very conscientiously made. And to me, it just didn't make sense, didn't make sense as to why people would do something like that. And the reason we were back in that area is we did a night vigil, um, probably about half a kilometer away from there the previous week. We did an overnight session there and when I had put out my audio recorders, we captured a lot of good, uh, indicators that the animals were possibly in the area. And we'd also, I'd also personally found some tracks, uh, along a river system that beandered probably around 15 minutes south of where we, where we were at that evening.

• 10:40Speaker 06

  So there were lots of indicators that the animals were in the area. There was good audio, uh, evidence when I was reviewing the audio after that night vigil, there was a lot of, um, aggressive foot stomps. Uh, there were some unusual calls.

• 10:58Speaker 06

  For sure. And on numerous occasions that night, we knew that there was something encircling our camp. Like, we could just hear it pushing through the bush and, you know, breaking branches and intermittent tree knocks and stuff like that. So we had suspected the animals were in the area. So we're just trying to, you know, try to determine whether there's any seasonality pattern to it or not. Um, we were there on the fall when this happened. Uh, and then literally the next day, uh, we found this really massive tree structures, massive teepee structure, not far from, uh, not far at all from where these sticks were found. So this, this teepee was probably 12, 13 feet high. And it's just massive. And it was in the middle of nowhere.

• 11:42Speaker 06

  It was like, literally in the middle of nowhere, in the middle, middle of this forest. There's no signs of, you know, any human, human activity, no cigarette butts or anything else that people typically leave behind. So that's, that is also, I, I believe I added that into the end of that video. So that kind of encapsulates like a typical video for us. Just kind of like in a general overview of, you know, an evening, a semi-productive evening that we've had it.

• 12:07Wes Germer?

  Yeah, and I'll include a link, uh, to the YouTube channel, Seeking Ontario's Bigfoot. Tell me, what, what made you want to spend your time looking into this? I mean, was it a sighting that you had?

• 12:21Speaker 06

  I did, but that's, that's not originally what, uh, precipitated me getting into this whole, you know, very, very unique, ongoing, ever-evolving mystery. Um, I think I actually probably know less now than I did when I started. And maybe not know less, but I have more questions than perhaps I did when I started. Um, and I really credit three people in particular, probably who, uh, had I not met, I certainly would not have, um, I would not have stayed as, as long in this pursuit as I have and would not have enjoyed it as much as I have. Um, my, my actual sighting came after I'd already been in this organization

• 13:03Speaker 06

  for a couple of years. Uh, I will, I will tell you about that, but I just want to give credit to, um, a gentleman named Peter Smith, who, uh, was the organizer proprietor of a, uh, excellent research group in Ontario called the Ontario Wildlife Field Research Organization. And it was through meeting him, uh, and chatting with him, I, I reached out to him via his, uh, his own website. At that time, I was just really, really wanting to, I was really wanting to kind of get myself back into nature when I was living in Toronto. And, uh, I know I didn't get that background, but I lived in Toronto most of my adult life. And, um,

• 13:46Speaker 06

  I was always, always an avid outdoors person when I was younger, but I moved to Toronto. I mean, Toronto's a concrete jungle, literally. So after, you know, having been there for about a dozen years, I was just really wanting to get out of the city more and more on the weekends and escape the, the noise of the city and the traffic and the pollution. And so I was always interested in, you know, various wildlife research and stuff. And I have a background in geomatics and, and GIS and digital mapping and stuff like that. So I was always very interested in patterns of movement of animals and stuff and, and predictors of animal behavior and predictors of how animals travel. Uh, at that time, there's a lot of conjecture about whether there were cougars, uh, back in the province of Ontario.

• 14:31Speaker 06

  And there were a lot of people reporting things, but no one was really keeping track of them. And our natural resources management, uh, group in Ontario where these, these sightings and stuff. So I went onto this website that Peter ran where a lot of these questions were, were being discussed. And, and, um, I just reached out to him on a personal level and I said, you know, I'd be really interested in, in looking into some of this, some of this research with you guys. And he's like, okay, well, I can give you some areas to, to check out and some areas that are not too far from you that, uh, you might go should in, in looking at. And as our trust evolved and as he vetted me, I guess, and, you know,

• 15:13Speaker 06

  kind of accepted me into the fold of his organization, he started revealing some more interesting information regarding Bigfoot activity and Sasquatch activity, which I was like, really? I was a bit skeptical at the time, but after having gone to a location that he suggested I go look at, I had my own first personal, um, not a first person encounter there, but I had, uh, a series of definite tree knocks as I was walking through this park system. And I didn't really, I didn't really know, uh, the significance of that at the time, but it was very definitive in what I heard and ongoing. And, um, after

• 15:55Speaker 06

  I brought that account back to Peter, he shared with me the, the, the number of reports and stuff that came from that area. And he, he sent me a KML file, a map of all the reports in that area in the last 30 years. And that whole area was inundated with Bigfoot, uh, Bigfoot reports going back decades. So he's like, it's highly probable that what you experienced was, you know, daytime watchers, whatever, who were perhaps, uh, you know, watching you progress through this park system and just kind of keeping tabs on you. I was like, really? That's, that's fascinating. Cause that in and of itself kind of alludes to some sort of social structure amongst the, the group itself. Um, meaning that, you know, there's

• 16:37Speaker 06

  actually some sort of cohesive, uh, social, social contract among these animals where they actually look out for each other. And I just like, well, that's, that to me is just on another level entirely. So that got me really, really interested. And then, uh, I was vacationing up in an area called the Muskoka region, which is about two to two and a half hours north of Toronto, Ontario. And I worked at a resort up in that area when I was in my late teens. And I always went back there for at least a week in the summer because it was just a beautiful, beautiful spot, beautiful, um, seg- um, segregated

• 17:15Speaker 06

  lake with unspoiled, unspoiled wilderness. And even at that point, I should have realized what I'd learned from my previous trip. There's probably activity in that area too, but I was just up there to kick up my feet, play guitar and go swimming. So when I was up there, uh, on my last vacation, Peter reached out to me and he called me and he said, there's a family not far from where you are. I'm coming down later this, uh, later this day. If you want to come down and we can go and check out and investigate this property where they've been having ongoing activity for a couple of years. You're already interested? And I was like, absolutely, absolutely. So, um, I drove down, uh, it was probably about

• 17:58Speaker 06

  40 minutes from where I was staying. And, um, I met the family that was living on the property and they explained to me what was going on. And they had their own visualization. Their, their daughter was seeing what we suspected was a juvenile Sasquatch on their property, which we, which the parents initially thought maybe was like, maybe a, a a active figment of their child's imagination, like, uh, you know, a, a invisible friend sort of thing, right? That kid's kind of, you know, they go in and out of these stages and stuff like that. So I, I called Peter and I said, I'm here. He's like, okay, we'll have a look around. You know, I'll be down there in probably about three hours, check out the property,

• 18:39Speaker 06

  have a look around. And I went, uh, to the backside of this property, which was on this ravine system. And I just came across all of these telltale stick structures, which I knew now, back then I didn't really have as good a grasp on what these were, what they potentially meant. But they were just all over the backside of this property. Um, all kinds of teepee structures, X's, ground glyphs. And I got a, I got a really, really, uh, serious sense of dread when I walked past there. And I'm like, I, I can't go any further. I'm going to have to wait till Peter gets here to, to investigate any further.

• 19:19Speaker 06

  Anyways, Peter showed up later that day and, um, we actually, he actually managed to bring down a good friend of his from North Bay, Ontario. He was an expert, uh, expert tracker. And he was a professional hunting guide and stuff like that. And he took us out the next day and we scoped out the property and he found all kinds of tracks all around the property. Juvenile prints, you know, prints up to like 16 inches. Um, so I was like, okay, well, this is blowing my mind, literally, like seeing these trackways and stuff like that. And, and just talking with Peter, um, and he was just, he's such an incredible teacher

• 20:00Speaker 06

  and he's so experienced. I mean, he's been, he'd already been researching probably for 20 plus years. And he comes from a highly technical background. He was a professional engineer by trade. So, you know, to have these conversations with people who are, uh, very well grounded and very well informed and very experienced was just, it, it really literally just was like adding the fuel to my, my, my curious nature. So at that point, I was like, I'm, I'm gonna have to be seriously invested in this for sure. Like this is just something that I know I'm gonna have a lifelong fascination with. So if you want, I can tell

• 20:42Speaker 06

  you about my own personal encounter, which happened, uh, actually in 2000, 2022. Um, so I was back in Ontario at that time. I was there, um, visiting some friends at, uh, an area at the very, very northern tip of the Bruce Peninsula, which is a, um, a large peninsula that runs along the east side of Lake Huron. And it's a beautiful natural corridor. Um, the Bruce Trail System runs for hundreds of kilometers and, uh, the final ending endpoint of it is at the top of, uh, the peninsula, a town called Tobymore, which

• 21:22Speaker 06

  is very, very, very beautiful place. Um, very picturesque. Uh, I was up there and actually do a dive, um, the next day because they have some old shipwrecks up there. And, uh, I was visiting a couple of friends of mine who'd rented a cottage just outside of town. So it was within walking distance. So I ended up going down there late afternoon and, um, yeah, we just took in, took in, uh, some swimming, had a barbecue and stuff like that. And, and, um, time just went by pretty quickly. And I realized the next time I looked at my watch, I should probably get, get back to my hotel room because I had to get up pretty early for my dive the next day. So I was walking back along the road that followed

• 22:06Speaker 06

  right along the water. Basically it followed right along this little channel. And my hotel was maybe

• 22:15Speaker 06

  Fifteen minutes away from their cottage and it was only just on the outskirts of of of the of Tobemori itself. So by no means very, very far removed or whatever. It was pretty close. And I was just coming around the corner. It was around ten thirty, maybe take ten forty-five at night. And as I came around the corner, um, all I could, you know, I walked just round, did this roundabout and as I was walking on the parking lot going towards the front of the hotel. I just stopped in my tracks because I'm looking forward uh down the the asphalt parking lot. And there's this, there was this massive steel drum garbage can like twice the size of a regular steel drum. It was just huge.

• 23:00Speaker 06

  And I I'm I'm guessing that's just where everyone would chuck their garbage in when they leave the hotel or whatever. And it was sitting on this concrete pad right near, actually not far from the, not far from the hotel's office at all, maybe like thirty feet or something like that, not far at all. And uh, the hotel itself was a two-level modest hotel. It wasn't super fancy or anything like that. But on the second floor, on the bottom of the concrete pad, where the patios were for the second floor, there are these floodlights shining down towards into the parking lot. Um, so this garbage can was really, really well backlit and the lights were kind of

• 23:43Speaker 06

  shining down towards the full extent of the parking lot. So as I came around the corner, I could just hear this massive like rustling noise. And I'm like, okay, well, I remember that. I remember back in the day, like working at the resort when bears would regularly go through the garbage cans down to the beach and stuff like that, similar kind of sound. But it's much, much louder and like you could literally hear like, I don't know if it's limbs banging on the side of the the steel drum, whatever is quite intense and quite loud. And then as I looked up down towards, as I looked towards this garbage can, all I could see was something leaned over,

• 24:24Speaker 06

  head first, shoulders first into this can and it's just spinning its arms around, like looking for it. I'm like, what is that? Because it was, the garbage can itself was very tall. It was probably, I'm guessing, I mean, it was up to my chest, so five, five feet, maybe just over five feet. And it's just, no, it's, it doesn't know I'm there yet. So I just keep walking a little bit further and then it all of a sudden it popped its head out and its shoulders out. I don't know if it smelt me or I don't know if it, I don't know, it gave it away, maybe my footsteps or whatever. But anyways, it

• 25:03Speaker 06

  reared itself out of this garbage can and it stood upright. And when this thing stood completely upright, it, this thing was massive, massive. I've seen a lot of bears in my day when I worked up at uh the resort. I've seen a lot of bears. Very familiar with their morphology. I'm very familiar with the shape of them. When this thing stood completely upright, its shoulders uh were, I mean, the breadth of these shoulders were just absolutely massive. And the shape of the head was a very, very conical, very typical, like as you'd say, a Bigfoot shaped head, very conical in nature. No definitive neck, like I didn't see, I I couldn't see any direct attachment from the head to the

• 25:46Speaker 06

  torso. It just kind of, it's like the head just kind of continued on from the, from the shoulders. And its arms were draped down on its sides and its arms were really, really like very long, like disproportionately long. Uh, way longer than a bear's lips would be. So hanging down the side, most of the, I couldn't really see much of the the the legs because they're behind the can, but the arms look like they're about three quarters of the way down on the garbage can. And its its shoulders were just massive and its torso was huge. And and it's just blocking out like a huge amount of the light beaming down by the uh the the lights that were attached to the bottom of the patio. So I could just get a good, good sense of its outline. I couldn't see its face.

• 26:31Speaker 06

  I couldn't really see any additional detail with respect to its face, the face itself or whatever. But I could definitely see like the the the hair, it, the the outline of the hair, like the kind of the glow around the body from the light. And it was a very, very fine, I would say long though, the hair was rather long, shaggy, shaggy type hair, but fine. Uh, anyways, this thing stood up and it, I I guess it realized, I guess it realized I was looking at it and and and I had its attention and it had my attention. It was looking directly at me. And it's just standing there and I'm looking at this thing. I'm like, okay, well, what's going to happen next? Like, we're kind of in a standoff here. And then

• 27:14Speaker 06

  it made no further gestures at all. It didn't, you know, it it really didn't make any noise. It didn't wave its arms. It didn't make any didn't threaten me in any way. All it did is it stood up and it took right off on two feet. It ran on two feet across that parking lot in the span of a couple of seconds. And this parking lot was huge, huge, this big asphalt parking lot. And I mean, it the speed of this thing was just mind blowing. I couldn't believe it. And I was dumbfounded. I mean, I'm looking at this thing. I'm trying to process what I just saw and and I'm questioning, you know, what was that? What did I just see? And I mean,

• 28:00Speaker 06

  it just, the first thing that came to mind was bear. But then when I ran through the details of it, when I was like, I was not, not in shock, but I was really, really taken aback by what I saw. And I just stood there and watching that thing run off on two legs as fast as it did. And there was a tree line right off the far side of the parking lot that it just absconded into and God knows where it went after that. But uh it shocked me, like it just totally shocked me when I saw it. I can't say hundred percent it was a, it was a Sasquatch, but I mean, it ticked pretty much every box that I could, I could think of

• 28:40Speaker 06

  in terms of size and proportion and morphology and speed and behavior. Um. Yeah, I mean, thank God it was benign. Thank God it didn't, you know, act aggressively or something like that. Like I I know bears, when you get between a bear and its food, it can get a little bit, a little bit more uh in your face and a little bit more confrontational. But this thing was not confrontational. It just took off. So that's the only, you know, real suspected sighting I've ever had, although I've been out on, you know, numerous encounters with uh members of the signature as Bigfoot team, specifically uh Kevin Tracy, when we were walking through

• 29:24Speaker 06

  was one of our primary research sites and he halted me as we were about, I would say a half an hour into the bush. He told me to stand fast. I'm like, what's going on? He goes, I see something. I'm like, okay, I'm trying to zero in on where he's pointing and he's like, he's looking at something very, very intently, which I couldn't see what he was seeing. But he was looking at something very, very intently at the top of the canopy of the trees about maybe twenty yards away. And he's like, David, I want to tell you, I just saw this branch had been pulled over. And I saw this set of eyes and this face looking down at us.

• 30:07Speaker 06

  And when I looked at it and it saw that I saw it, it released this branch and it swung back. But he's like, I know what I saw. He goes, there's something there. When Kevin had gestured over to where that branch was, all I saw was the branch returned to its original position. Unfortunately, I didn't catch to see what he had saw just before that. But Kevin is a very, is is very much a straight shooter. I know he, um, he's not one to uh embellish anything at all. And it was a very, very still day. There was not, no wind or anything like that. So, um. So out of curiosity, it's like, I wanted to push forward. He didn't really want to go forward. I'm like, I I'll, I will go at a, at a

• 30:49Speaker 06

  steady pace. You can just wait here and you can follow me, you know, give me, give me a five or ten second lead and then you can follow me and I'll see what's going on. So I started pushing through and probably about ten seconds in, there was this massive snapping sounds, huge like crack. And all I saw was, it was a very, very large birch tree. I just saw the top of this tree topple right over. I couldn't see what pushed it over. I couldn't see what caused it to fall. But it was the only, the only thing that was affected by whatever's exerting this force on it. And again, the weather was calm, uh, no wind. And this tree just toppled right over. So it was,

• 31:32Speaker 06

  I think it was aggressively pushed over as a, you know, as a a potential warning, like don't come any further. At that point, we both just kind of stopped and we're like, okay, you know what? I think we should just not go any further. There's only two of us. Um, we should just kind of make note of what happened here and we'll just slowly retreat back to the main trail system. So that had happened there and at the same location, uh, probably about six months later, there was myself, Kevin Tracy and we had two other team members that were with us and we were pushing through a similar area where we came across this, this, this inland small lake

• 32:17Speaker 06

  that was also part of this park system. And we, we noticed that there is this unusual structure out on the island in the middle of this lake and we wanted to get closer to look at it. And we were trying to figure out a way how to uh be able to get across and investigate it further. And and we, as soon as we walked across this little, this little boardwalk that had been in, installed by the the park system staff, these rocks came absolutely out of nowhere and started.

• 32:46Speaker 06

  Splashing in the water on either side of us. There's three large rocks that came down in a span of about ten seconds. I was in the front. I was at the very, very front. I had already made it across this little causeway before the rocks started coming down. But the two people behind me turned around and looked behind them and they were completely like, what the hell is that? Where are these coming from? And we couldn't see where they're coming from. Um, I mean, the area was clear. We could see probably, I would say thirty yards at least in each direction before there was forest cover there. So we don't, we don't know what threw these rocks, but I mean, I'm thinking we were again, you know, pressing in on their

• 33:30Speaker 06

  territory. I don't know if there was, you know, I, I don't know if there was a family unit there or something like that. And, and I'm just supposing, I'm, I'm making my own supposition here. But perhaps we were getting too close to, um, a vulnerable family member or something like that. And they just started throwing rocks at us. And again, we just stopped at that point and we decided to pull back and regroup and plan for another day. But, um, so we have a number of regular sites that we do, we do regularly investigate or have in the past. And we've had, you know, pretty significant events at all of them. And the

• 34:13Speaker 06

  thing that I find really surprising is that these areas are not that far from major population centers too. Although the areas that we delve into, these, these park systems are well off the trail and well beyond where most people would hike. But they are all interconnected by whenever we go to, to find a new place to investigate, we do a lot of analysis through Google Earth and have a really good look at the topography and try to figure out, is there sufficient water there? Um, is there travel corridors there? Is there access to food there and like natural sources of food? And all these areas that we investigate in are all highly prolific in, in local food crops and stuff too. So there's a lot of

• 34:57Speaker 06

  food there. I know there's a lot of river systems. We've been able to, um, find some, some decent tracks. Uh, I've captured some pretty good audio.

• 35:08Wes Germer?

  Yeah. And there's several clips of, uh, audio clips you sent me. I want to play for the audience. Can we back up for a second? The farm that you were investigating, uh, with the family, what, what was actually going on there? And why did they call you guys out? Did they want you guys to get rid of these creatures?

• 35:30Speaker 06

  Uh, so there's a couple of properties that we've been, we do regularly, um, surveil. One is in Pennsylvania. I think the one you're probably referring to is the one in central Ontario that I sent you some of the audio recordings from. Uh, so they've been having activity there as far back as the owner's great grandmother. So the great grandmother basically reported, you know, this, it was described as a, as a Bigfoot or Sasquatch. Um, or this, you know, huge hairy person had been living on the property, uh, intermittently for the entire time that she'd lived there. And she had passed away. And then the property

• 36:12Speaker 06

  went follow for about 10 years before, uh, the grandson decided to take on the property and develop it into a completely off-grid property. So something totally self-sufficient. And after having been there for about six months, they're very heavily into self-sufficiency. So they're raising their own livestock. And it was during the time when they were, uh, butchering these hogs and they were composting, uh, the remnants of the, um, butchering process that they think that this animal either came back or the offspring of the animal came back. Anyways, the, they started having a heavy ramp up in activity and there were

• 36:55Speaker 06

  actually at one point, a sighting of a Bigfoot reaching into one of their pens and, and actually lifting out one of their hogs and running off of it. So, yeah, so they've been experiencing varying, various types of activities. Um, for the most part, pretty, pretty, uh, benevolent, but you know, on occasion, on occasion, the animals had, had been unbeknownst and had become increasingly aggressive with things such as like, there's a trailer on the back that went on to camp out and stop that and come up and just whale away on the side of his trailer. And at one point, it actually broke this massive pane of glass

• 37:40Speaker 06

  that covered the entire front of the trailer to the tune of like $10,000. Um,

• 37:45Wes Germer?

  You, you kind of broke up there, David. So there was a trailer on the backside of the home and one of these creatures came up and started just smashing it and caused about $10,000 worth of damage. I mean, what do you, what do you think's actually set this thing off?

• 38:01Speaker 06

  I think just the fact that the family moved back and that there are people there, um, 24/7, a full, a full family there, living there full time. And these, uh, and, and the people that lived there, they were active hunters and stuff like that. And they were also clearing a significant portion of the back part of the property off with the anticipation of a, a potential, uh, electrical contractor coming in and taking over a part of the property. So I think it was the clearing of some of the forest area that perhaps may have been of significance to these animals that may have set them off. Um, so anyways, they reached out to us, to John Paul, who's one of the other co-founders and John Paul was able to,

• 38:44Speaker 06

  um, gain their trust and allow us access to the property. And, and we've been studying this area for, oh, I'd say about three years now. And yeah, I mean, every time we've set up audio recorders there, whatever, we get some pretty interesting audio, like some really distant, but very unnerving kind of screams. Um, and there's not, there's not a lot of other properties in that, in that adjacent area. Um, and this area is close to an area called the Warsaw Caves, which is a huge, huge cursed, uh, caste system

• 39:23Speaker 06

  of, of caves. Um, and a highly, highly prolific area for Bigfoot reports. So they've actually had visuals on that property numerous, numerous times. Uh, there was one very unnerving one actually at one point where one of the sons was out hunting and they have a small, it's, it's a small cab, a small sub cabin that they keep on the property, uh, on the very, very left extent of the property where they seem to find most of the trackways, most of the footprints going past this little cabin. And he was out hunting there one night at dusk and, um, he had just, he was just working his way back to the house after that successful

• 40:05Speaker 06

  hunt. And, um, he had felt like he had been following it. He had been followed and there's bears and there's wolves there too. So he's very careful. And so he decided to, he was gonna just, for safety reasons, just tuck into this little cabin. And I mean, it's tiny. It seats maybe like two people, three people. It's, it's very, very basic. Uh, but it has a couple of small windows and it, and it's just something made out of logs and tar. But you can lock the door and everything like that. So he's like, I'm just gonna go in here and, you know, wait for this animal to pass wherever it was. And he locked the door and he was sitting in there and he had a shotgun. And he peered out the window and

• 40:45Speaker 06

  he saw this massive, massive, upright, hairy figure come bearing down the trail, walking towards the cabin. And he's, this wasn't the first time he saw it. He already knew this, he already knew this thing was on the property. Um, and he'd always kept his wits about him. But when he saw this thing approaching the cabin, he was, he backed himself, this is his account to us, he backed himself up to the very, very farthest back portion of the cabin with a shotgun reared at the door, waiting for the door to pop open. He was absolutely terrified. And this thing started beating down on the roof, beating down hard on the roof of this little cabin. And he was absolutely just terrified. And

• 41:28Speaker 06

  he's like, the only thing I can do is shoot. If this, if this door opens, I'm just gonna have at it. I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to let, I mean, you have to let my gun go off. And he just sat there and he just waited out and, and the thing eventually left after about, he said about 10 minutes. And that really, I mean, that would unnerve anybody. But this one particular son has probably had the most direct encounters with this ongoing, uh, probably large male that's there. And there is a family living there because the family have seen, uh, a female and a juvenile on the property as well, while they were sitting out on their back porch. So there is a family living there. And they

• 42:13Speaker 06

  suspect that they've been bearing offspring there probably every couple of years. Um, just based on the size of the visuals that they have, the size of the, the juvenile that they've seen or the various juveniles they've seen on the property. So we've been there and we've done some overnight visuals there on a number of occasions and we've never had a direct confrontation. But some of the audio that I sent you is pretty suggestive that there's something there, um, other than the distant screams and stuff, stuff like that that you can hear. One recording that I sent you is a compilation. You can hear something walking next to the recorder and walking away. And that's not a person. There was nobody else in that area except me and my two co-founders. And we were, we knew

• 42:58Speaker 06

  where we were and we were nowhere near that recorder and no one else was there that weekend. And this is a private property with zero access from the outside. So.

• 43:08Wes Germer?

  Yeah, let's check out some of this audio. This is the bipedal walk and grunt.

• 43:40Speaker 06

  That gravel there is extremely hard popped. Um, I'm pushing 240 and I can't even make the most minute sound out of that gravel. So whatever was walking up there was extremely heavy. The one clip I would, I think maybe is kind of the most conclusive and the most primate sounding is the, um, the chatter audio that I sent you that, that we recorded in a very large provincial park in Southern Ontario. And it literally just sounds like, I, I mean, it, it sounds primate to me, but it just, this ongoing screaming, but I can't explain it. I've sent it off to numerous, uh, criminologists, Canada, and no one has

• 44:23Speaker 06

  an explanation for it. They probably don't even want to touch it, to be honest, but I think it's a pretty interesting piece of audio.

• 44:30Wes Germer?

  Yeah, let's take a listen to that.

• 45:31Wes Germer?

  Was that a continuous chatter or was that kind of on a loop?

• 45:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, that was, that was one continuous vocalization. It sounds, it sounds extremely like a primate to me, like more than any, maybe more than any other audio I've ever heard. It sounds more primate than, than, you know, like, uh, you know, what you call a, a hominid or whatever. It sounds primate to me. But this is in Southern Ontario. Like this is, this is in a park system, like, you know, an hour and a half from Toronto.

• 46:03Speaker 06

  It's not supposed to be apes in Ontario.

• 46:05Wes Germer?

  Yeah. I, you wouldn't think they'd be there, but they're definitely there. I want to hear this Holland Central howl. Where did you guys get this from?

• 46:16Speaker 06

  So that was somebody who came to us through our, we have a submission form on our website for reports. And this woman was standing on her back patio one evening after dinner. And this, this area that she lives in is not that far from Toronto. Again, maybe about an hour and a bit. However, the surrounding area, you know, does have some large tracts of forest. And again, it's interconnected to other areas that lead to larger areas. So I think these animals are just passing and, and transiting through these interconnected areas. And, um, she was just completely unnerved. She's like, what is this? Like, she's like, this is unlike anything I've ever heard before. So she sent in this audio to us and then one

• 47:00Speaker 06

  of our members at the time went up and did an interview. There's actually a video of that interview on our YouTube channel. But, uh, it sounds actually very similar to the audio that was captured out, uh, in an island off of Vancouver Island by an Aboriginal gentleman who was out one evening, um, near a longhouse and he was recording at nighttime because he kept hearing this very, very same vocalization out there. But it sounds remarkably similar.

• 47:29Wes Germer?

  Yeah, let's take a listen real quick.

• 47:48Wes Germer?

  Jesus.

• 47:55Wes Germer?

  It's crazy. That one actually reminds me of the pewallup screamer here that happened back in the seventies. A little bit deeper, but very similar cadence. The other one he sent me that was titled strange call. This was from the, uh, provincial park. What's the story behind this one?

• 48:16Speaker 06

  Yes. So we did a fall excursion to this park very close to one of the crown jewels in the Ontario park system named Ogleman Park. I've, this is an area I've always wanted to have a look at and explore. And we went there and I set up, uh, my audio recorder just, we picked a campsite at the very, very farthest edge, uh, where the forested area would be where we'd get the least amount of human, uh, noise degradation or ambient noise people around us. So I wanted to put my recorder out in the forested area on the backside of the property, uh, quite far in. And there's nothing on that side. There's

• 48:57Speaker 06

  absolutely nothing but open forest where that recorder was on that side. And, but that is just a one-off scream that like, um, I timestamped that around noon in the morning. It's similar to the vocalization that Les Stroud, uh, heard or was witness to when he did his, uh, episode in the Appalachian, uh, system where this, I can't remember the gentleman's name, I think Scott Carpenter, maybe something, who came across these two Sasquatches that were having these vocalizations with each other and in a pocket of forest. Very similar sounding scream. This to me doesn't sound primate. This to me sounds more like a relative hominid of some kind or something. Um, but I know there was no

• 49:40Speaker 06

  one there because we had a heavy delusion of rain, uh, the night before that pretty much cleared everyone out of the campsite and we were like literally the only ones that stayed in the area. So, and it was just coming from a very, very large blanketed part of the forest. So I can't explain what made that if it, if it's not, I mean, I'm, you know, I'm being conjective and saying that it's Bigfoot, but it sounds to me like, like a hominid in kind.

• 50:13Wes Germer?

  Yeah, let's take a listen.

• 50:23Wes Germer?

  I've actually heard that before. I heard that in Texas. And I remember when I very first heard it, it reminded me more of a man.

• 50:31Speaker 06

  Exactly. I've sent it off to Dave Wallace, uh, who's been really actually great for organization. He's always super helpful. Um, I sent it off to, uh, Darby Orcott. Nobody knows. Nobody knows what it is.

• 50:47Wes Germer?

  Yeah. Strange. Sometimes when you're out there, you'll hear vocalizations. I've had recordings sent to me where I think, God, that sounds like a man. Too loud to be a man, but it sounds like a man. And I appreciate you, uh, sending the audio over so we can listen to it. What do you think Sasquatch is?

• 51:08Speaker 06

  Well, uh, okay. So personally, uh, with some kind of more recent, uh, happenings within the organization, um, I'm going to give you a little bit of the backstory. So this property owner in Central Ontario has a associate who was an excavator who worked at a site north of Toronto, who uncovered a very unusual, uh, tooth. Actually wasn't a singular tooth. It was, I believe there's four teeth in total. He didn't know what they were. He was so intrigued by them. He actually submitted them to the Royal Ontario

• 51:48Speaker 06

  Museum in Toronto, um, to have a look because they have a really good polyontology department. And they apparently did a DNA sample on the tooth. Um, in the pictures, uh, you can see that a core sample had been taken from the root of the tooth and there's like a catalog number on the tooth. And the determination was that this tooth belonged to Gigantopithecus blacki, which I mean, is if that's in fact correct, that would be a major scientific discovery. Right? Now that the results have been called into question because the letter that confirmed this fact had been lost by the owner. Uh, so we've been trying to get

• 52:33Speaker 06

  the owner of the tooth to submit a sample to Darby Orcott to do a DNA study, uh, to corroborate the results. This tooth was carbon dated to only being around 200 years old. It wasn't old enough to even be fossilized. So the, the ramifications of that are, I mean, major if, if this is in fact true. That would mean that Gigantopithecus blacki would have. Been existing or residing in Ontario as recently as 200 years ago, which means, I mean, that's a blink in the eye in terms of evolutionary time. So is it possible that it's still around? Is it possible that it's still alive? Who knows? We're trying to convince

• 53:16Speaker 06

  the owner to relinquish another physical sample to send down to Mr. Orcot in, I believe is in North Carolina, to corroborate the results. But I do believe, I do believe Bigfoot is a, either a continuation of the bloodline of Gigantopithecus, or it's a possible a Relictominit, hominid that has, you know, has, is a, is a early offshoot of the evolutionary tree and has just managed to probably likely migrated from, you know, the Caucasus region in, in Asia

• 53:57Speaker 06

  and came across probably the same time as, you know, maybe the Willie Mammoth or whatever.

• 54:04Speaker 06

  But I mean, there's still reports of Amasty and all these Relictominits in the foothills of Afghanistan and Russia and all these different areas of Asia. So it's, it's one of the two. That's, that's my personal opinion.

• 54:21Wes Germer?

  Yeah, that's a pretty big claim. I would love to see the results from the tests on the tooth. You said he lost the results?

• 54:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, he lost the letter, the corroboration letter, unfortunately. What happened actually was when the museum wrote him back with the results, they stated that this, they stated that the result was that, that the DNA matched that of Gigantopithecus blacki. However, in the same letter, they also said that unfortunately, the specimen had been destroyed during the testing process. Yet, when he got the results back, the tooth was in the envelope, which is like, that either means there was an intention to deceive, or it was an honest mistake. And which is which? So now he's unfortunately, you know, he's a bit apprehensive about handing

• 55:16Speaker 06

  over another sample. We're still working on it. We're still trying to, we're still putting some gentle leverage on him to be able to relinquish another portion of the tooth, whatever, to get to Derby, because I know Mr. Orcot's been very, very heavily taking on this, you know, this genome study. So I'm really hoping we can get that down, down to him in his hands. That would be great.

• 55:43Wes Germer?

  Yeah, I'd be real curious to know if what comes of this whole thing. A lot of times when they pull DNA out of a sample or a specimen like that, they'll ruin it for future, for people in the future trying to pull DNA or extract DNA from it. But it doesn't necessarily mean the tooth was destroyed. It just means it can't be used again to pull DNA from. That's my understanding anyway. But I would love to know what you guys find out with these teeth. And I don't know why he's holding on to them. I mean, is he gonna pass them down to his grandchildren? Or I mean, I don't understand people like that, why they don't just find

• 56:24Wes Germer?

  out what it is. But definitely let me know. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and, and share your research and the audio. And I'm real curious about that tooth. But thank you so much, David.

• 56:39Speaker 06

  Thanks, Wes. I appreciate it. It's, it's always fun to talk about the big hairy scary guy.

• 56:47Wes Germer?

  Thanks again, David. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is [email protected]. And if you get a chance, check out SasquatchChronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.