Mistress Made To Read Vile Texts In Court After Wife Found Dead: "Give me proof that you HATE her"

Caleb Flynn had a particular way of proving he was alone. He sent his girlfriend videos from the family kitchen, filming his dogs and calling out: “If anybody’s listening, I love Alleigha Botner” In another video, he called out for his daughters, then shouted “Hello? I LOVE Alleigha!” Sometimes his daughters were home. Sometimes they weren’t. But why send these videos at all? What exactly was he trying to prove? Alleigha wanted reassurance that one particular person wasn’t there. And hearing Caleb loudly announce his love for her was apparently part of that reassurance. The person she was worried about was Caleb’s wife. The mother of his two children. And Alleigha wasn’t just his girlfriend, she was his mistress. Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com

• 0:00Speaker 00

  If you're listening to this podcast, you're probably used to things getting a little complicated. But Southern New Hampshire University does things differently. They keep it simple. Over 200 online programs, so you can skip the commute. No set class time, so you don't have to rearrange your life. An actual human supporting you, so you're never doing it alone. It's college without the chaos. Seriously, see everything Southern New Hampshire University has to offer at SNHU.edu/rotten. Twenty years after Natalie Holloway disappeared on a high school graduation trip to Aruba, Natalie's mother, Beth, is ready to tell the complete story. Taken: Natalie Holloway is a three-part series that follows Beth's relentless pursuit of answers

• 0:42Speaker 00

  and justice for her daughter and gives a fuller picture of who Natalie was as a person. It's the definitive account of a case that gripped multiple nations and never let go. Watch Taken: Natalie Holloway, now playing only on Netflix. Everyone talks about how challenging it is to raise kids, but what about protecting them? Outlet covers, kitchen cabinet locks, baby gates? Where do you even start? Well, protecting your home and auto is a great place to start. Progressive offers customized coverage options, so you can be sure you have the right coverage. They're basically the baby gates of insurance. Get a quote at progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and other insurers, not available in all states.

• 1:26Speaker 00

  Caleb is stoic when his mistress, Aaliyah Botner, is called to the stand. Aaliyah barely looks at him. She sits on the stand and she recounts her entire relationship with Caleb Flynn. She has a very interesting demeanor. At times, she's crying. Other times, she's upset. She does a lot of shaking her head while she reads every single message they ask her to read out loud between her and Caleb Flynn. And everybody's confused because sometimes, as she's reading her own messages, she looks angry. She looks like someone else is typing that for her. And everyone's confused, like, why are you upset? Sometimes Caleb looks like he's about to cry, and everyone's wondering, why the fuck are you about to cry? They look exhausted. Why are they exhausted?

• 2:09Speaker 00

  Everyone else in that courtroom is exhausted, but you guys. Aaliyah testifies that when she first met Caleb, she had no clue that he was married because he never wore his wedding ring. She actually found out from the other people that he was married. And she testified for two years, it was a very professional relationship until, you know, the iPhone game started. And she's asked on the stand, how many messages were exchanged in that year between you and the defendant approximately?

• 2:32Speaker 01

  The first year?

• 2:34Speaker 00

  Yes, yes, the first year.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  They started talking?

• 2:36Speaker 00

  A hundred and seven thousand.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  A hundred and seven thousand?

• 2:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. The prosecutor has...

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Wait, what?

• 2:44Speaker 00

  Oh, no, they do the math. Fair to say that's almost 300 messages a day on average? Yes. What would you discuss while together? The same things we would discuss over text messages, like wanting to be married, just our days. I can't remember everything. They would also frequently discuss how much they hated Ashley Flynn, Caleb's wife. Aaliyah says, "When we first met, he said that she wasn't worthy of being called by her first name. So he said that we're gonna refer to her as douchebag." This is not a one-way ticket to hell. Aaliyah is coming along for the ride because, at one point in the messages, she texts Caleb, "Have fun with Ash shit." And he laughs and texts, "That's a good one."

• 3:28Speaker 00

  And if you were wondering how two God-fearing individuals, one of them being a worship leader at a massive church, the other being a volunteer worship band member, why they believe they can behave so heinously and that God will just be fine with this? Well, Caleb has a reason that he explains to his mistress, and she relays this to everyone while on the stand during the murder trial. Aaliyah says, "Caleb expressed that he had feelings for me, and he said that the reason why he thinks it's okay to have those feelings is because his wife cheated on him two years before. He told me that she cheated on him, and he told me that he only sees her as a roommate, that the only time they ever talk is from picking the girls up from school, dropping them off. He told me that he hates her. He told me the only reason why he's still with her is because of the girls, and that he lost his chance to divorce her because it's already been two years since she cheated,

• 4:13Speaker 00

  and he already knew about it." Now, does Aaliyah have any sort of proof that Ashley did in fact have some kind of affair? Does Caleb show her anything? No, he just tells her that his neighbor witnessed the cheating and he knew the truth, whatever that means. But he doesn't file for divorce because of their children. Now, I just want to make it known. Investigators combed through Ashley's phone and all of her devices. They found zero evidence of cheating. Not even a questionable thing, because that would be a big deal. If there's another man in the picture, if there's another individual in the picture, they could also be a prime suspect. They found nothing. So it's not like they were just like, oh, well, let's, you know, keep her integrity. No, she didn't. No, they were looking. They were looking for anything, anyone that could have motive.

• 4:57Speaker 00

  They didn't find a single thing. There was nobody, because Ashley Flynn was not cheating on her husband. There was zero evidence that she ever cheated on him, that she even pondered the thought, had the fleeting idea of cheating on him. Nothing. But Caleb is selling this story like a closing store sale. Everything needs to go. He's really milking it. He complains to Aaliyah, "Douch cheated. Made me feel like I wasn't good enough for someone to stay faithful. I hate her and allowed me to be with you, though. And so I'm thankful for that. But those feelings never went away. And when we get together and I can't give you what you need and deserve, it makes me feel, again, like I'm just not good enough. But I hate her, but it led me to you, which I'm thankful for."

• 5:39Speaker 00

  In another text thread, because Caleb can't seem to not rant about his life, he's just never heard of the concept of sitting in silence with his own thoughts. He rants on and on about how much he hates his wife. And Aaliyah responds, "I hate her. I've never hated anyone like I hate her. I hate the thoughts that she causes in my head." So I think this is where a lot of netizens draw the line. I think people were initially very confused on how to feel about the situation, considering Aaliyah Botner was much younger than Caleb Flynn when they met. And they met in church. And there's a lot of religious trauma that netizens were also feeling towards the situation. And perhaps she was groomed. And perhaps this was a situation where Caleb had talked so poorly about his wife,

• 6:23Speaker 00

  about her cheating, that Aaliyah Botner genuinely thought that they were in a loveless marriage. However, the netizens started to just get confused by this because they all go to the same church. It was pretty apparent that that was not the case. Even between Caleb and Ashley, they had a lot of loving text messages where Ashley was putting in effort, a lot of effort into her marriage. She understood something wasn't right in the marriage, but she was trying to make it work.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Cover those also...

• 6:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm gonna cover those in a second. And on top of that, even had Ashley cheated, which is not the case at all, Aaliyah's response goes far past what any normal human being would do. Sure, you could maybe hate someone for harming someone that you supposedly love, that you have really no right loving, but it doesn't mean that you hate her and you've never hated anyone like this in your entire life, and you hate the thoughts that come to your mind because of her and you want her dead. That is crazy. Caleb says, "I'm sorry what she does to both of us, but mostly you. I hate her as well, and I want her gone. I don't give her anything, and will continue to do that." Aaliyah says, "Good. I'd be utterly broken if I ever found out you did somehow."

• 7:36Speaker 00

  Meaning if they ever did anything intimate, it seems. He says, "I know, sweetheart, I know. I don't receive or take things as I don't want anything she has to offer. I hate her. I hate douche more than anything. As I'm trapped in this twist of life, I live with her in so many ways." And Aaliyah's like, "Stop. So what are you saying? I'm saying I don't deserve you, and I want you to be happy, and I don't make you happy. So you're leaving? You're closing our chapter? How can you think that you don't make me happy?

• 8:03Speaker 00

  I mean, I don't know what this is, whatever this whole conversation is. Like, no one wants to be a part of it. Good lord." He responds, "I make you hurt more than I make you happy. And can you honestly say this is what you want and what you see for your life? To have to sneak around, not be able to love publicly and be hurt at all times, knowing my situation? I want you, Aaliyah, as my wife and the mother of my kids, but what do I do? How do I escape this? I don't know, Caleb. You have to find a way."

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Wait, what exactly? He say he couldn't divorce her for one reason? It's been due too long since?

• 8:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  What? That makes no sense.

• 8:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, it makes no sense. It makes no sense. He gives a weird reason every single time, which is the kids, mainly the kids. He says that he wants the daughters full-time. But if they divorce, no judge is going to grant him full custody. It's going to be split, shared custody. And he doesn't want Ashley to have any time with the kids. Now, there's not much indication that he's a great person, and therefore, I don't think there's much indication that he's a great father. So it seems like this is just an excuse that he's throwing at Aaliyah.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  And she buys it.

• 9:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. And Caleb says, "I want her dead and gone." August twenty twenty five is a huge tipping point for Caleb and Aaliyah because it marks a very significant anniversary. Caleb and Ashley's fifteen year anniversary. And this is what Aaliyah has deemed the death of Aaliyah Cruise. Yeah, they're gonna go on a cruise. Caleb and his wife Ashley are going on a fifteen year anniversary cruise. And Aaliyah has dramatically called it the death of Aaliyah Cruise. Caleb is not someone who comes up with a good plan, clearly. He is not a bright thinker. He's not quick on his feet. And the problem is, he and his wife Ashley booked a fifteen year anniversary cruise to Cancun. His mistress, Aaliyah, doesn't want him to go on the cruise, but he can't tell his wife that. He can't tell his wife he can't go on the cruise because of work, because he works for his wife's dad.

• 9:50Speaker 00

  He can't say it's because of the kids, because it's their kids. And I think Ashley's parents are watching their kids. I mean, he really has no viable excuse he can give. So the original plan that he comes up with is he's gonna fake a letter from the cruise company, mail it to their house, open it up. Oh, my God, the entire cruise has been canceled. Yeah, sorry to inform you, valued cruisers, but we have randomly decided to cancel this cruise out of nowhere. But all of it would take one Google search or one itinerary look up in your Gmail, one booking look up for Ashley to realize this, this is the most ridiculous lie ever constructed out of printer paper. The easier option for Caleb is just to explain to his mistress that he has to go on this cruise. He doesn't want to go on this cruise, but he has to go on this cruise. Caleb is trying to explain how it's not easy to cancel anymore.

• 10:35Speaker 00

  Ashley's parents are involved, you know, they're helping plan because they're probably watching the kids and they're maybe doing drop offs at the airport or the wherever the cruise is. It's not like he can just cancel it like it's a concert. This is a big ordeal and it's not like he wants to be there. He has to be, he has to go on this cruise. But he reassures Aaliyah that he will gonna try to get out of it nonetheless, but he doesn't think it'll work. He texts Aaliyah, what I mean is now that her parents are involved and have their hands in it, I have a lot of things to work out. I hate her and I want zero time with her like ever. But again, this isn't just some concert or little event that I'm trying to get out of. Anyways, like I said, yes, I will do everything I can to make it happen. He explains, I hate her and yes, I'm forced to live in this hell where she is around. You will find another love and I will have to watch you and see that.

• 11:18Speaker 00

  I'm glad you will have someone because trust me, what I live in is trapped in hell on earth. Aaliyah responds, have a great day. Sure, you're doing loads of work these next two days before leaving on your beloved fifteen year anniversary trip. The history you guys have is unmatched, by the way. Fifteen years, our seventeen months doesn't even compare. She always wins. Enjoy your day, enjoy your uninterrupted hours with her in the plane tomorrow and the hotel. Enjoy traveling and enjoy your favorite trip ever, a hell sent death of Aaliyah Cruise. And then Cabo, I truly have never been more sick to my stomach and I've never wanted to die more. I don't know how I'm gonna make it through. Every day will get worse. Every moment I imagine and picture of what y'all could be doing, every second will stab me in the chest violently. I don't know if I'll still be alive by the end of this.

• 12:03Speaker 00

  She has to be happier than ever. I really have to go. I need to run from this messed up situation of a life I live.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Is this like the energy of the Reddit group?

• 12:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  Like they feel like they are the fated lovers that cannot be together for whatever reason and they must go against.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  So that's what's, I was trying to figure this out because maybe it's the fact that we don't see a lot of mistresses testify and read every text message that prosecutors request of them, or sometimes they are charged as well, right? Or we hear from prosecutors of these are the types of messages that they're sending. But I've never really covered a case where to see these types of hateful messages. I was trying to understand the psyche of both parties involved. And half the subreddit group is like this. Fated lovers, he's trapped, so miserable, right? And then the other half are just like, I don't care if he has a wife, like he treats me nicely and that's all that matters to me.

• 13:06Speaker 00

  Clearly, she's not my friend, she's not my problem. So they, they don't have this faded mates type of weird energy, but I would say generally a lot of people on that subreddit get very hung up on the idea that their married partner is having intimate relations with their spouse. Like there was this one post that I stumbled upon, which was bizarre. It was of the other woman sending a picture of her top, topless to the married man. And then he stopped texting her and now she's like on this death spiral, thinking that he got so excited from that text message, he made a move on his wife. And then all the other women in the comments were reassuring her like, no, he was probably like pleasuring himself. And I'm like, what is happening?

• 13:51Speaker 00

  But it was like genuine spiral out of emotions.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  I guess what I'm thinking about, like listening to all this is one, obviously they're so pathetic, but it's almost like they're using the partner almost to romanticize their miserable selves, right? Like Caleb, you're a loser, you're nobody. And does that make sense? He almost is catering this life, bashing the wife to make it feel like he, there's some meaning to his life. Like, no, I'm fighting for this love that I cannot have. And they're bonding through that almost.

• 14:24Speaker 00

  It gets worse. So there's other text messages I'm gonna cover, but there's lots of reference to this love being given by God that is unsurmountable, that other couples have never experienced. And listen, I love my husband like any other healthy couple loves their partner, right? But I don't know if I would sit here and say our love transcends the universe and is a love the world has never seen before. Our love is so unique and special, but he talks about her love with his mistress in that way. And the way that they talk about it, it's like you guys are just a mid looking group of people, you two, those two individuals in the mid suburbs. It's okay, we're all from the suburbs, right? Like you're not, this is not some great big Hollywood love story.

• 15:07Speaker 00

  It's just like, but they go real deep into it. They are in a state of, I think, some sort of like psychosis and delusion. And that almost makes it seem like this crime is less impactful, but it's no, I think they're unhinged. They're so caught up in their own narcissism, perhaps is a better way to say it.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:26Speaker 00

  And I do think that, I think both of them are clearly very insecure. Caleb seems very insecure. I don't think that he has, he can't even light a candle to Ashley Flynn, like his wife. I think he got very lucky with his wife and he's very lucky that she even stayed with him. But I think with that, all of the insecurities are projected and he wants to talk down on his wife and have this mistress. And I think the same goes for Aaliyah. She keeps wanting to shit talk Ashley. And I think it's very clear Ashley was very beloved in that church. I think that she was a person who was actually a God fearing woman who followed faith in a way that was admirable. She would teach Bible studies, she would do vacation camps with the youth at the church. Her family's been at that church for four generations.

• 16:10Speaker 00

  There's not a single person that had anything even remotely questionable to say about Ashley. And I think that really pissed off Aaliyah because I mean, she's not a God fearing woman. She's basically, both of them are like Satan reincarnated.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Does anybody from the church has spoken out about this or no?

• 16:28Speaker 00

  Yes, one person has and they knew Aaliyah and said that she is like the very typical church vibe, likes to look down on everyone's sins type of energy.

• 16:43Speaker 00

  Twenty years after Natalie Holloway disappeared on a high school graduation trip to Aruba, Natalie's mother, Beth, is ready to tell the complete story. Taken, Natalie Holloway is a three part series that follows Beth's relentless pursuit of answers and justice for her daughter and gives a fuller picture of who Natalie was as a person. It's the definitive account of a case that gripped multiple nations and never let go. Watch Taken, Natalie Holloway, now playing only on Netflix. There's really no feeling like knowing you have the perfect pieces in your closet for the upcoming season. It's those pieces that can be dressed up, dressed down or worn around the house. They're just that chic and comfortable all at the same time.

• 17:25Speaker 00

  I think the only better feeling than that is giving someone that exact feeling. So this holiday season, I'm finding these pieces at Quince. Everything at Quince is priced fifty to eighty percent less than similar brands. They work directly with ethical factories and cut out the middlemen. So you can get luxury quality pieces without the luxury price tag. I got this new cropped cardigan in this beautiful chocolate brown. Every time I put it on, I immediately feel like I am the love interest in a dark academia Gothic novel. And this cardigan is a hundred percent organic cotton. It is like the perfect balance of breathable, yet super cozy at the same time. Give the gift of quality this holiday season. Download the Quince app for the app exclusive offers or go to quince.com. Get free shipping on your order and three hundred sixty five day returns.

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Now available in Canada and the UK too. And when Quince asks where you heard about them, let them know it was Rotten Mango. It's the best way to support the show. For kids, summer means freedom and for adults, summer still means freedom, thanks to Mint Mobile's summer sale. Right now, all of Mint's plans are fifteen dollars per month, even unlimited. Free yourself from big wireless and switch to Mint for high speed data and coverage on the T-Mobile five G network. When I made the switch to Mint, everything stayed the same, except for the money that I was saving. I got to keep my phone, my number, save my time, my money, and the coverage stayed the same. No loopholes, no hidden fees. To get your new wireless plan for just fifteen bucks a month, go to mintmobile.com/rotten. That's mintmobile.com/rotten. Cut your wireless bill to fifteen bucks a month at mintmobile.com/rotten.

• 18:55Speaker 00

  That's it, there's no catch. Upfront payment of forty five dollars for three months, ninety dollars for six months, or a hundred eighty dollars for twelve months, plan required, fifteen dollars per month equivalent, taxes and fees extra, initial plan term only. Greater than fifty gigabytes may slow when network is busy. Includes up to twenty gigabytes hotspot. Capable device required, availability, speed and coverage varies. See mintmobile.com.

• 19:21Speaker 00

  Caleb says, you know, I will not enjoy myself at all this week on this cruise. Regardless of what you think, my heart and mind will be with you. As I know you will be hurting, I will not be having sex with her. Like you said, or even coming close to touching her. I hate her and always will. I choose a life of solitude, a hundred out of a hundred times over, anything with her. As much as that's crippling to think of being alone for the rest of eternity, I choose that. Aaliyah responds, I've never been more hurt by a single thing in my entire life and nothing will ever top what I've been through. You have truly no idea what this has put me through. I truly have never felt such excruciatingly awful suffering in my life. If they weren't so evil, their melodramatic messages do make you want to roll your eyes because it's so ridiculous. He sends her a fucking audio message while on this cruise and he says, hey, I don't know if this is going to go through.

• 20:06Speaker 00

  Service is horrible, but, and they play this in court. But I wanted to send this to you as a text message is horrible. I'm sorry, and I just, I assumed wrong and like I just texted, I don't know if you got it. This week felt like a lot of what we used to be and I'm sorry, I just assumed anything. You're, you're more than free and able and have every right to do what you want and I'm sorry. You know, more than anybody that I, I love is hard, you know, as I know how and I'm super protective and I'm sorry, you're not wrong. You can do whatever you, the crap you want and I was wrong for going on that cruise. I was wrong for hurting you and I'm literally crying in front of thousands of people and I don't care. I'm sorry for hurting you. I'm sorry for everything and I hope you have a great day today. Please do not, well, not that you're worrying about me, but don't feel the need to text me. I know yet again, I've made things worse.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  It only comes out of just sheer, absolute massive love for you, but until I can be released from her, I know that you do not have to do anything. So I'm sorry, I'm going to text this to you and then I promise I'll delete everything. It may take a while to go through just because of the service here, but I do love you and I'm sorry and I'm really sorry. So hope you have a great service and I love you, I love you very, very, very much and all I want is you. So I'm sorry that my absolute desire and love and passion for you causes me just to lose it. So I'm sorry.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  What is this energy? What the, what is wrong with this guy?

• 21:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Is he like, what, what's going on? He's, he's actually going through this emotional, I don't know, like what's going on? Is he feeling what he's saying or he's just like in his delusional land and?

• 21:31Speaker 00

  I think he's in his delusional land. I think, I think this affair makes him feel self-important.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  So his voice sounds like he's going through that emotion?

• 21:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, and he's always crying in court as well, just always sobbing and it just, it's weird because he doesn't give me like the stereotypical narcissist husband that cheats. He gives me more so victim complex.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:54Speaker 00

  Husband, which is also narcissistic and incredibly toxic and dangerous. But I think that's the energy to put it a little more precisely.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:03Speaker 00

  He's always crying, he's always woe is me, he's always, the world is against me and us. And he has such a weird self-importance of this is a love that God hasn't given to anybody else between him and his mistress. And it's like, first of all, you're not the first guy to cheat on his wife. And second of all, you're a nobody. The only thing worth value in your life was your wife and kids, but.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:26Speaker 00

  Caleb reassures Aaliyah, have you seen one picture of the cruise? You know, I have her blocked and so I'm not sure what my wife posts, but just know that there are no pics of the cruise. This because there are no pictures that we took. So he's saying like, you're not going to see my wife, Ashley, post any pictures of the cruise because we didn't take any pictures of the cruise because we didn't have a good cruise. He says, I don't mean to bring the trip up as I know it's awful, but I didn't choose her. You have my heart, she does not. Since being back, I've driven past your apartment half a dozen times and I bawl. I've sat across the street while you were at work and I just wept. I wept out loud. I'd give anything in the world to go back and do it all different. I tried to be obedient and just go and be alone to which I was, but I know it murdered you.

• 23:09Speaker 00

  It would have murdered me. I swear on my girls' lives, I'll live with regret for the rest of eternity.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  So after the cruise, she stopped talking to him?

• 23:18Speaker 00

  Yes, but she does that frequently and they stop talking, then they fight for each other again because their love transcends all. And then she gives him a deadline for when he needs to separate from his wife. And then he comes up with some bullshit excuse and then they get back together again because their love transcends all. And again, I think where Netizens gets so frustrated is he should have just told his wife and Ashley would not even wanted to stay with him. He could have gone and been free with Aaliyah. Just hours upon hours of text messages are read out in court. It, it took like two full days. Caleb and Aaliyah's messages, and it doesn't even cover a small portion of the hundred and thousand plus text messages.

• 24:01Speaker 00

  I mean, it's just, they're handing her binder upon binder on the stand and they're skimming through. It's like every hour is a different binder. Clearly the prosecutors and the defense want to focus their cherry pick messages to showcase certain things. But honestly, I have no clue what Caleb and Aaliyah even bonded over to begin with, other than their shared hatred for Ashley. Like their unexplainable, unreasonable, undescribable hatred for Ashley Flynn that doesn't make any sense.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying. They are literally using that almost as a way to make themselves feel like they're something.

• 24:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, because I didn't see any, and maybe it's just the prosecutors and the defense don't have these read out, but I doubt it. I don't see a single point where they have fun or bond over anything or banter or have any sort of connection outside of, no, we can't be together because of your wife.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, like this is the only reason they feel like they're something.

• 24:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:53Speaker 01

  Is they almost feel like there is a big enemy out there that they need to fight through.

• 24:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  But they're just two fucking losers.

• 25:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  You know?

• 25:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, they just spend text message after text message, pining over each other, how they're so miserable being apart. And not that having any banter or connection or deep conversations would absolve them of any guilt of this affair. I'm just saying, it's just jealousy. That's it. Are you sure you're not sleeping with your wife messages? Are you sure you're not messaging any single guys from the youth center messages? Like really, that's it. For example, it's spring break. Caleb is spending time with his wife and two daughters. But as he's spending time with his family, he sends a text message to Aaliyah. I miss you already and I hate her with all that is in me. I'll be at the parks and I'll be as distant as ever and put my attention on the girls, but I can only take so many bathroom breaks to text you. I can't call you as I won't have my car to drive away and this by myself.

• 25:44Speaker 00

  I hate this spring break. I hate it. I hate her and I hate my life because she doesn't give a rat's ass. He gets a rather quick response from Aaliyah who says, hear me, I love you more than anything in this world. And again, people are confused how you can love someone who talks so vilely about his own partner, the mother of his children at the end of the day. And you haven't lost me yet, Caleb. He doesn't respond. What have you been doing? Cause she's getting upset, like, are you spending time with your wife? And he says, crying. For the last 15 minutes? Baby? Yep, crying. What can I do? Caleb responds with two words. Kill her. Aaliyah doesn't give any response, which Caleb takes as a sign to just continue his monologue.

• 26:28Speaker 00

  I already miss you like crazy and I hate her ever living guts. I hate her. So please remember that. I've said so many times, I hate her and I don't want her here. Other times he reassures Aaliyah, I don't know why she does what she does, but just like last night, I didn't go look for it or even give her an opportunity. But if she ever even tries to do anything like that, which she hasn't, I will laugh at her freaking face and tell her I hate her again or just walk away. Which sounds like he's reassuring Aaliyah that he's not intimate with his wife. Yeah, and again, apparently that's a huge thing for this r slash other women subreddit. And I bring it up because I also think, um, they're so narcissistic. It's like, you guys are not special. These feelings you're feeling are not special. Like this is a very common thing.

• 27:09Speaker 00

  She wants confirmation in the way that I think, um, some of these text messages showcase why Netizens believe that Aaliyah played a role in Ashley Flynn's death. And that's a belief that has not been, she's not been charged, she's not been convicted of a crime. That's just a Netizen theory speculation, conspiracy, if you will. But some people also conspire online. There are speculations online that perhaps the kids would have been next. Because there's almost hatred for the girls that seeps through Aaliyah's messages too.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  No way.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  It's not so much like, I hate your daughters, but it gets very strange. So Aaliyah wants confirmation that Caleb is not interacting with his wife or even behaving cordially in front of their two children. So he's off to spend the day at the pool with his daughters and his wife. To which he reassures his mistress, Aaliyah, missing you so much today, douche is pissy like normal. The girls and I were ready to go and she was taking forever. So she got mad that she was being rushed. I hate her so much. She ruins everything. She's not talking to me now, thank the Lord. Can't stop thinking about wanting to run away with you. Me and the girls just ate breakfast and are now at the pool. I'm not getting in or taking my shirt off. No interactions. I hate her and I want nothing to do with her. He reassures Aaliyah in a separate message, I'm not giving her time or dates. I was up very late last night as I was crying and missing you all night.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  She accuses him of spending time with his wife and the mother of his children. He texts, I'm sorry, Aaliyah, I put my phone away and I was with the girls. I can't reiterate enough, I hate Ashley. She doesn't get me. I hate her. I don't want to talk about her tonight. I never want to talk about her because I hate her. But Aaliyah is asking things like, how did you propose to her? I just need to know, then I'll sleep for the night. He's like, I know, I know, it's horrible and I hate it more than you know. I made a decision that I fully regret solely based on what I thought would not hurt my girls. Like little did I know it'd hurt me the most. So he's saying like, he's trying to ignore all these questions. At one point Caleb is texting Aaliyah, good night. She says, just good night, sad face emoji. That was awfully short, reminded me of when we were just friends and said, good night and nothing else. Caleb responds, babe, stop. I love you. Hope you sleep amazing.

• 29:11Speaker 00

  Aaliyah is upset that he has a good relationship with his extended family, AKA his wife's parents, Ashley's parents, the grandparents to his children.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Also his boss?

• 29:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, also his boss.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  That pays him?

• 29:22Speaker 00

  $200,000 a year.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 29:24Speaker 00

  And Aaliyah says, glad you're so close to her family and she's so close to yours. Her entire family checked on you after your accident. Which the accident sounds like a big ordeal, but Aaliyah says someone wrecked into the side of his car at a stop sign. So, yeah. He apologizes and he says, I'm sorry that this is so hard. And he reassures her that he hates his wife and quote, I want her dead and gone.

• 29:46Speaker 00

  In another message, he reassures her, "All I can do is assure you, and I'm not lying to you. I'm not sleeping in that bed. I don't want to, nor will I ever. I'm sorry that, again, you're in your head so much. I hate her. I will always hate her. And I know it's hard knowing things or wanting to ask about every detail. I wanted to ask as well, and my mind wanders all the time as well. But I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you're hurting and that you have to go through all of this." One message from Aaliyah to Caleb reads, "Have a great time as a family and as parents," in all caps, "celebrating your daughter. I feel physically sick with all this stuff. You have absolutely no idea. What a perfect, amazing, freaking family. What an amazing duo you and her are. I want to run in front of a bus." She doubles down. "You're doing this together as parents for your shared daughter. Do you still not understand what I go through?

• 30:31Speaker 00

  Can you actually make me feel seen, valued, heard, and affirmed when I'm having these moments for once? I'm hurting beyond belief today. You'll never understand what these things are like for me, even if they seem small to you. Well, I'm just gonna leave you. I hate while you're there. I hate feeling unseen and alone, especially when you and Dush are together throwing your daughter a birthday party."

• 30:49Speaker 01

  I see.

• 30:50Speaker 00

  "I explained so much earlier why this is so painful, and I still barely got a heartfelt response. These times are horrible, but so much worse when you respond the way you do. Have a blast. Enjoy yourselves. Genuinely hope Ava feels so celebrated and that you and Ashley made that happen together." The birthday party.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Wait, Ava is...

• 31:06Speaker 00

  Their daughter.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  Aaliyah hates that they have children because that will always tie Caleb to Ashley. She says, "My heart is bitter. Everything is clouded. I have 10,000% not moved on. You really have no idea what this has done to my life, if you think that's the case. There are ties I have to you that will never go away. I still cry daily. I still ache daily. I'm a zombie. I'll never be the same, and I'm scared. I'm scared to open myself up to you again at all. I'm terrified to experience this pain all over again, and no matter what, she'll always have a part of you. She's always in your life, and she haunts me." Aaliyah says her recovery from this trauma has no end in sight. Quote, "As long as she, Ashley, lives in your home and is called your wife," basically, the trauma for Aaliyah will never end.

• 31:50Speaker 00

  She also wants confirmation that Caleb is taking a nap with one of his daughters, and she says, "Send me a pic of you and Ava napping together, please. I get so scared when you're napping in bed because I know Dush always takes naps. Of course, it's fine if you're just with your girls, but makes me think Dush is there too, with Alyssa, the other daughter." So she's like, "I just don't like the idea of all of you guys napping as a family." Just anything and everything about Ashley, they hate. It appears that is the sole foundation of their affair. Aaliyah even complains about Ashley's decorations for some holiday, I guess. "Her decorations are hideous." Caleb responds, "I literally hate them all." She says, "I'm upset that you're in the living room that leaves room for her to watch TV with y'all when she gets back."

• 32:33Speaker 00

  So he's explaining that Ashley's not home, that he's in the living room with the girls watching TV. And Aaliyah is like, "I don't like this because when Ashley comes back, it's so easy for her to join you guys on the couch and watch TV with you guys, basically." And she says, "Did you already eat dinner with the girls? Get ahead of that." Meaning like, eat dinner before she gets back, so it's not a family dinner with all of you guys. It seems to be what she's insinuating. He says, "If she gets back and the girls are still up, I'll immediately go to the office." Sounds good. Aaliyah even discourages Caleb talking to his wife at all, saying things like, "I wouldn't ask her yourself. She'll think you care about her life and then could go into more conversation."

• 33:13Speaker 00

  Okay, I won't ask. Good point. Just show her you couldn't care less about where she was or her life at all. Done. Easy. Okay. In another message, Aaliyah says, "Can I be honest with two things I'm worried about coming up? Todd and Jill," so these are Ashley's parents, "Todd and Jill sending you on a Valentine's Day date? Because that's kind of what they do. They're like, oh yeah, we'll watch the girls. Like, don't worry. You guys go enjoy your, you know, couple time. I know this will happen, and I know Dush will want to do something for it, and her birthday is coming up. Yes, I know when her birthday is. I'm so nervous about these two things." And with how honest we're being with each other, will you seriously promise me to be 100% honest if Todd and Jill try to send you guys on a date and what ends up happening? Please don't keep that from me, just to protect my heart. Keeping it from me will make it so much worse.

• 33:57Speaker 00

  And can you promise me you won't get her anything for her birthday or do anything for her? My thoughts are that you might, just so she won't be suspicious." Aaliyah tells him, "And if you go to bed early that night, that would be very suspicious." So she's saying like, "If you stop texting me and saying you're going to bed early for Valentine's Day, I'm gonna be suspicious of you. Just know, I'm super edgy and antsy for these two things and need your affirmation about both. Really need you to tell me about Valentine's Day stuff and need you to promise me about her birthday." She starts grilling him. "What did you do for her birthday last year? Please be honest. It was before us, so just be honest. If I were to ask her, what would she say?" Aaliyah then tells Caleb, "I'll stop spiraling. I just need to feel better about these two things. Have there been any Valentine's Day traditions every year, like you getting her flowers or anything else?

• 34:42Speaker 00

  Please do your best to answer all these questions." The jealousy does go both ways, in fact, which is also bizarre and unsettling. Caleb expresses his very strong frustrations at Aaliyah's jealousy because he says, "I didn't get a response from you while you were playing pickleball for almost three hours. I wasn't mad because I knew you're with people and you were busy. You get so angry with me when you don't get a response right away, or you don't get it the way you want. You know I'm with my daughter and her friends. I'm not around Dush, and I stay away from her at all times. We did not plan this together. This is what my daughter wanted and Dush scheduled it. I just show up and play. But I'm sorry it hurts. I'm sorry more than anything." He goes on a whole exhausting spiel about how sorry he is and how he hates Ashley. And Aaliyah responds, "Why cater to Ashley and what she fucking wants?

• 35:26Speaker 00

  I'm so done with you. I know you have murdered my heart in every way. Hope you're glad you took my virginity and also my heart and stomped all over it." So I know it's not good to purity shame, but a lot of netizens are like, "This girl was not a virgin." But also, maybe she was. I don't know. But they're a mess. They're just a mess, right? She says, "Enjoy your marriage. I'm done. Life with you and loving you is so easy and just makes sense. I've fallen so madly in love. I don't want to settle for anything else." Caleb responds desperately, "You have to get rid of Dush. I need you. You're my everything, my heart and soul, my best friend, my love, my bitter half." Aaliyah says, "I don't even want to say this in a joking way anymore. We need a solution, Caleb. We need it to be me and you forever and no exceptions."

• 36:08Speaker 00

  He says, "I've never joked about it. I love you, baby. I love you so much." She says, "I love you, sweetie. Wow, it's been so long since we've been lovey and flirty, and I miss it desperately." Aaliyah Botner's testimony during Caleb Flynn's trial was, I would say, likely one of the most damning testimonies I've heard in a long time. To have prosecutors tell the jurors that the defendant is having an affair and is now being accused of murdering their spouse is bad enough, but to have that affair partner testifying about all the low-level scum-of-the-earth activities Caleb would do with her and say to her about his wife, I imagine would be very hard to forget in that jury deliberation room.

• 36:47Speaker 00

  Aaliyah testifies that, I mean, they were just really, their level of crazy is one that I don't think many people can even comprehend. Aaliyah testified that she met Caleb's mom at a Kroger. It's like a Ralph's. It's a supermarket. She's asked on the stand, like, "How was that arranged? Like, you just met your married boyfriend's mom? What did he..." With Caleb, like, "Hey, Mom, this is my mistress," right? What was that about? And she says, "Well, she really wanted to meet Caleb's family." Because that's something Ashley has a good relationship with Caleb's family, right? But she never gets to meet Caleb's family. So she said, "At the time, I'd always wanted to meet his family, so Caleb said that we would plan accidentally running into each other so that I could meet his mom at the store."

• 37:32Speaker 00

  So I'm sure it was just like, this is Aaliyah, the worship leader at CLCE.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 37:37Speaker 00

  Aaliyah testifies that she sought out validation from Caleb by making Caleb tell her how much he hates his wife. So that's just another thing. I think that Aaliyah genuinely thought that she was gonna meet Caleb's mom, and Caleb's mom would just fall in love with her and be like, "Wow, you are such a great, pretty individual."

• 37:54Speaker 01

  So what is it? Like, this is known that she met the mother at a Kroger, and they just want to know how that happened? But then there's nothing further. There's nothing happened. She just met the mom, like, "Hey, Mom, I know her, and that's it."

• 38:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think maybe Aaliyah was hoping for some sort of introduction to insert herself into Caleb's family as well.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:15Speaker 00

  Though it doesn't seem like that ended up happening ultimately. But I think the lengths that both of them were going to are very extreme. So typically, in a lot of these cases, you do have, I think the main fault always lies in the married spouse. Yes, right? But when you have cases like this and you have a crime, netizens are wondering, "Are we sure there's full justice for Ashley Flynn?" Not that we're accusing people, netizens are accusing people, but just based off the text messages and the lengths that they were going to, it seems extreme.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  They do a lot.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  They're doing a lot to try and be together. It's not just, "Hey, I'm having an affair, and if I can't have my wife and my affair partner, then someone's..." It's not like, it just feels...

• 39:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:10Speaker 00

  It's time to get the most out of your money with Chime. Chime offers the most rewarding, fee-free banking, all with no overdraft fees, no monthly fees, and no minimum balance fees. You get 5% cash back on Chime Card in a category of choice, like gas or groceries, all while building credit through everyday spending. And if you're ever in a pinch, SpotMe lets you overdraft up to $200 fee-free. Join the millions who are already banking fee-free with America's number one choice for banking. Head to chime.com/wrotten. That is chime.com/wrotten. Sign up now. It only takes a few minutes. Chime is a fintech, not a bank. Banking services and Chime Card provided by Chime's bank partners.

• 39:55Speaker 00

  Qualifying direct deposits required. Terms and limits apply. Go to chime.com/disclosures for details. Twenty years after Natalie Holloway disappeared on a high school graduation trip to Aruba, Natalie's mother, Beth, is ready to tell the complete story. Taken: Natalie Holloway is a three-part series that follows Beth's relentless pursuit of answers and justice for her daughter and gives a fuller picture of who Natalie was as a person. It's the definitive account of a case that gripped multiple nations and never let go. Watch Taken: Natalie Holloway, now playing only on Netflix. This is a paid ad by BetterHelp. If I could delete one thing from my brain, I would delete all the random useless facts that I know wombats poop in the shape of a cube. Maybe if I had more space in my brain,

• 40:40Speaker 00

  I could remember where I put my keys 10 minutes ago. By connecting you to a qualified therapist online, BetterHelp can help you find an experienced professional to talk through the thoughts that are taking up way too much mental real estate. With thousands of therapists and millions of members across more than 100 countries, it's helped many people make meaningful progress towards feeling better. After you take a short questionnaire that helps identify your needs and preferences, BetterHelp does the initial matching work for you and typically gets it right the first time. And if you're not happy with your match, you can switch to a different therapist at any time from their tailored recommendations. Plus, BetterHelp makes it easy to fit therapy into your routine and flexible ways to connect. As we head towards the end of the year, it can be a good time to make some space for yourself. Sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/wrotten.

• 41:23Speaker 00

  That's better H E L P dot com slash rotten. Everyone talks about how challenging it is to raise kids, but what about protecting them? Outlet covers, kitchen cabinet locks, baby gates? Where do you even start? Well, protecting your home and auto is a great place to start. Progressive offers customized coverage options so you can be sure you have the right coverage. They're basically the baby gates of insurance. Get a quote at progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and other insurers. Not available in all states.

• 41:59Speaker 00

  Aaliyah's asked in court, "It seems like from the message that you read on Direct that you're continuing to seek validation from Caleb in your belief that he hated Ashley." Aaliyah's like, "Yeah, that's one of the ways." "Did you at the time not believe that Caleb actually hated Ashley?" Aaliyah says, "There were a lot of times that I questioned it." So it's the fact that she's like, "No, I needed him to hate his wife." Because it's not even just like, "Oh, you hate her, I hate her, we hate her together," which is already despicable. But it's like, "No, I question your hatred for your wife."

• 42:31Speaker 01

  So she's saying that he's almost doing it just to please her.

• 42:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what the defense gets out of her, which helps the defense too. So it's, you know...

• 42:40Speaker 01

  And she's like, "Sometimes I do feel that way."

• 42:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. And they're like, "Why?" "Because we shared location, and I would see him at a restaurant or a movie theater and later find out that they were together. He would explain what had happened, and I wouldn't believe him, but that would happen. And then I would see text messages on his phone from her saying that she loves him. And she always seemed to be very loving towards him. So that made me think that he was also loving towards her." "Was there a time that you asked him to talk about how much he hated Ashley? Like, straight up, like, 'Can you tell me you hate your wife?'" And she said, "There were probably times." Aaliyah is asked, "You expressed how hard it would be if you learned that Caleb was enjoying any period of time with Ashley." "Yes." So the prosecutor is when Aaliyah is on the stand. They spend a lot of their time just showcasing how evil Caleb and Aaliyah are collectively.

• 43:26Speaker 00

  They don't try to make Aaliyah look better. They don't try to say, "Aaliyah was young. She was manipulated by this older man at church." They're just like, "You guys are two weirdos in a bucket and probably deserve to go to hell together." That's the vibe of the prosecution. The defense, they're showcasing Aaliyah as, "Maybe you hated Ashley more than Caleb," to draw some doubt with the jurors of, "Maybe there was an intruder. Maybe there was an intruder who knew that there was a gun in the console, which Aaliyah admits that she knew. Maybe Aaliyah is the intruder while Caleb was asleep." That's kind of the insinuation that they give.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  I would assume they have looked into her thoroughly, right?

• 44:03Speaker 00

  Not thoroughly. Or in my opinion, not thoroughly. They have looked into her, but not thoroughly. So for example, she had a burner phone. They didn't even take that into evidence. She had conveniently, in January, like a month before Ashley's murder, she goes on a solo trip to Florida. While she's kayaking, her phone falls into the ocean. She gets it, but it doesn't work anymore, she says. Okay? They don't really look into that. Then, on her way back from Florida, she loses her work laptop. They don't look into that. So lots of weird devices are moving around and doing some weird things. But again, these could all be a coincidence,

• 44:47Speaker 00

  and she could just be the clumsiest, dumbest person out there, but yeah. And I'm not calling her dumb because she dropped her phone in the ocean or lost a laptop. Yeah. Caleb even promises that he won't share a bed with his wife, the mother of his children. He tells Aaliyah that he only sleeps on the couch. He reassures her, "I don't hug her. I don't say, 'Have a good day.' I don't even say, 'Bye.' I walk away because I hate her." At one point, text messages indicate that Caleb was on the phone with Aaliyah, but he hung up because his wife was... Ashley was either walking into the house or catching on. And Aaliyah texts Caleb, "The thought of us being free and just being able to talk all night and not have her interrupt moments like that." Which, you're the one interrupting, like...

• 45:29Speaker 01

  So she hasn't tried to expose the relationship to the wife herself or threatened to?

• 45:34Speaker 00

  No. So Ashley has found out about... On the cruise, Ashley will find out about text messages, but I don't think that she understood the full extent of what was occurring. And we do cover that in the next part because that's more so part of motives and... Yeah, that's a whole different... But Aaliyah continues, "The thought of us being free and just being able to talk all night and not have her interrupt moments like that? I mean, I literally forgot she existed for a minute, and you were just sitting on the phone with me for so long. And then all of a sudden, complete change, and you have to go and cater to her again. I hate her more than I ever have. I hate all of it." Caleb responds, "I hate her too with all my heart. I want this freedom more than my next breath." Aaliyah says things like, "If you really do hate her, and she knows that,

• 46:17Speaker 00

  and you want me so much more than her, then say goodbye to her forever. Would you rather have a life with her or me? Then say goodbye to her forever. That's the question that you'll have to wrestle with forever. You have one life on Earth as a human being. You make your own choices, but time is ticking, and I can't wait forever." By February of 2026, these two individuals are reaching a very strange point in the affair. Ashley, by this point, has found two instances of text messages between Caleb and Aaliyah that are raising her suspicions. So her first one that she found was much prior to the cruise. She found iMessages on his iPad. So Caleb had deleted all the text messages with Aaliyah on his iPhone, but his iPad was synced. So Ashley goes to open up the iPad, and a bunch of messages come in.

• 47:02Speaker 00

  Now, these messages were from an unnamed individual, so she didn't know it was Aaliyah. She had no clue. But she did see a picture of Aaliyah's hand. So Aaliyah had taken a picture of her own hand and drawn an engagement ring on her hand and sent it to Caleb. Ashley sees that. It doesn't seem like she saw a lot of the messages. I don't think she saw messages referring to her as douche or any of the very alarming ones. I think she just saw like two or three messages pop up that were confusing. I think he was with her when she opened the iPad. And he somehow convinced Ashley, who is... And again, good people believe in the good in others. He convinces her that he was hacked and that whoever hacked him was faking all these messages or something.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  At one point, Ashley even Googled if that happens. Can you get hacked and people fake messages between you and someone else? But he convinces her that it was just a hacking. And this is why a lot of netizens believe that he is someone who was just that evil. Like, I don't think he had any problems in his marriage with Ashley. Not that that would make things more excusable at all. I think it actually makes things worse. And I think she believed he was hacked because their marriage seemed fine otherwise. I mean, there was some tension, especially leading up to Ashley's death. But it was not this unsurmountable tension of, "Our marriage is falling apart," where Ashley had all the red alarms going off, where she knew something really grave was happening. I think that she just genuinely thought it was bad,

• 48:30Speaker 00

  but they're gonna get through it. On the cruise, she does see messages with Aaliyah, and she sees the name Aaliyah. So she actually texts Aaliyah after the cruise to ask her to grab coffee because she wants to talk to her about it, whether Caleb gave some crazy excuse of like, "Oh, she was reaching out to me," or like, "Nothing happened." I don't know. I think Ashley just wanted to get to the bottom of it. However, Aaliyah declined. She did not want to go to this coffee date. She also texted Caleb that this would absolutely tear her apart because she's already so distraught after this cruise. She can't even stand to look at Ashley. The idea of Ashley even uttering Caleb's name is so unfathomably painful that she cannot go through with this.

• 49:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I think Ashley was just trying to figure out what was really happening to the months leading up to her death. And I think Caleb was... It seemed like he was convincing in the fact that he was committed to his family is the vibe. Meanwhile, he's texting Aaliyah things like, "All I want is you. I'm sorry I hurt you. I was up until 4:00 a.m. crying, literally just trying to think of ways to kill her and not go to jail. All I do is daydream about you. All I do is dream about hugging you. I'm sorry I've hurt you. I truly am sorry." February 16, 2026, everyone is gathered at Ashley's parents' house. So you have church leaders from Christian Life Center. You have Ashley's parents. And Caleb is there as well, along with the girls. Aaliyah walks in

• 50:00Speaker 00

  because all the church leaders are there. And Aaliyah asks her boss, and he said, "You have to come. Someone in our congregation has been murdered by a home invader." She goes to the Smith residence, Ashley's parents' house. Caleb walks over to her, wraps his arms around her, hugging her in his in-law's house, hours after his wife has been killed by him. He's hugging Aaliyah openly in front of everyone. And he says to her... Only she can hear this, but he says to her, and this is according to Aaliyah, "It didn't happen the way we thought it would, did it?" That's what Aaliyah claims.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  What?

• 50:37Speaker 00

  And that is where I leave you with this part of the Caleb Flynn case. The final part is coming in a second, the second video. But that's more so the trial coverage, more text messages, what the pastor at the church had to say, where was Aaliyah at the time of the murder? What did Caleb Flynn's Apple Watch data, his Oura Ring data have to say about whether he was awake or not during the time of this so-called home invasion? So stay tuned for that. Be safe, and I will see you in the next one.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  The real cost of a break-in isn't your valuables. It's the feeling that your home stopped being safe. SimpliSafe keeps danger away from your family with three layers of protection. One, smart AI cameras and live US-based agents help stop intruders before they break in. Two, we sound the alarm at points of entry. Three, our agents request emergency response. Plans starting around $1 a day. Right now, get 70% off your new system with professional monitoring at simplisafe.com/sxm. Outdoor deterrence plans start at $49.99 a month. Visit simplisafe.com/licenses for alarm license information.

• 51:51Speaker 00

  Hi, it's Stephanie Su. Want to listen to new episodes of Rotten Mango ad-free? Rotten Mango is now part of SiriusXM's Podcast Plus. With SiriusXM's Podcast Plus subscription, you'll get this plus benefits on dozens of select podcasts within the SiriusXM network. What are you waiting for? Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcast Plus on Apple Podcasts or visit siriusxm.com/podcastplus to start your free trial today.