IG Boudoir Photographer Loves "Cheesecake" Caught for 80,000 Hrs of CSAM & Sexual Conduct w/ Animal

On July 20, 2026, a body-cam video appeared on YouTube: a young woman, hysterical and seemingly shocked as police placed her in handcuffs. Authorities had allegedly found footage of her sexually abusing and recording a 13-year-old boy in a public restroom, footage she allegedly gave her husband to edit. Few months later, a young woman named Talia contacted the us after watching a Rotten Mango Episode. She knows the couple personally, for more than a decade... Her story revealed a far more horrifying connection. This is the case of John and Brianna Nethers, and why it took so long to catch them. Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com

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  This is part two of the audio podcast of the case of John and Brianna Nethers. If you haven't listened to part one, please go ahead and listen to that first. We went through all of the, well, briefly, we went through the body cam footage that was released on YouTube from this case, as well as the connection to an email that we got of someone who had a lot more information about the real, basically, the charges that Brianna and John Nethers were charged with seem to be just scratching the surface. The prosecutors are looking for more victims to come forward that may have been victimized by this couple. And we got an email from an individual that we are calling Talia. And she was explaining, it's not something recent. This is not a new development. Yes, he was arrested this year in June,

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  but this has been going on for over a decade. And that is where we start, part two.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  It is always tricky when a stepparent joins a family with children. I'm sure everyone has their own ways of handling it, but I would imagine most parents want their child to decide what they want to call their stepparent, which is exactly the case for Talia. She never feels pressured by her mom to call her mom's boyfriend, John Nethers' dad or stepdad. She never did. She never felt the need to. Until one day, Talia says that John had taken her out to run errands. They end up at like a Hobby Lobby and the cashier, just trying to make small talk and be nice, asks her, do you like shopping with your dad? Talia didn't really respond because she's so young and she's not going to say, well, actually, he's not my dad. He's maybe at most my stepdad, but I don't even really think like that. So she just didn't respond. She didn't have anything to say to this adult

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  who's asking her, do you like shopping with your dad? When they get back into the car at Hobby Lobby, she says he locked her in there with him until she called him dad and told him she loved him. She said she was forced to call him dad. She says, I did not like calling him dad. I didn't like it. It just didn't feel right to me. Even before the abuse started, I was never comfortable with calling him dad. It just didn't feel right. But now he's locking her in the car, forcing her to call him dad, and this becomes part of the abuse that she endures. For years, she's living with John Nethers. Her mom has three children with him, so three half siblings. Her mom has no idea about the abuse. The abuse would occur two to three times a week. At this point, John is a photographer and Talia says,

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  a lot of the pictures, not all of them, but a lot of the pictures, I was there to take, you know, I was there to help make props or whatever. So he would take her to take pictures. And for Talia's pictures, that was also part of the abuse. Talia says, there was one night he had dragged, um, talking hills, but kind of smaller. It's kind of like an outdoor landmark, trails, that kind of stuff, like a public park, but almost like a forest, very secluded. There was one day that he had taken me there. It was nighttime to take these lake moon pictures. And I still can't go back there because I remember him basically laying me down on a rock. And I don't know if he took pictures of me, but I do remember being abused at the park.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  There were even times where he would take pictures of me and the kids. He'd pull us into the room and take little portraits of us. It's like very family friendly portraits. But there was one time where one of the pictures only had me in a leather jacket, not zipped up, just naked underneath. And that was taken in the same hour of taking the other family photos. Out of all the years that this was going on, Talia says there wasn't really a moment where he stopped to reflect. Not that that would absolve him of literally anything. He should still rot in prison for the rest of his life for what he did. Preferably, you know, until the day he dies. That's my opinion based on what Talia told us. But she says that there was only one time that she could get him to stop the abuse. He had took me into our bathroom and had me stripped naked

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  and stand on the step ladder and told me to bend over it. I was crying, sobbing, and I kept asking him why he was doing this. And he kind of stopped and said, it happened to him as a kid and there is some kind of mental illness that causes it. He said that if it happens to you, you basically have to do it too. Your brain forces you to do it to other people. And then he said it would become stronger. And then he just walked out of the bathroom and I put my clothes back on and left. That's the only time I could get him to stop. Side note, none of that is true. Just because you are a victim of abuse as a child does not mean that you will become an abuser, that you will become a perpetrator, clearly evidenced even by Talia herself. That is not true. That is irrevocably false. And John Nethers is brain dead.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  But I will say that his father is allegedly in prison as well for abusing children. But Talia is unsure if it is from John's dad abusing John or other children. Talia says that she was told John was abused by his mom's boyfriend as well when he was a child, but she's not entirely sure. I think one of the big questions that we had was originally, before we knew, did Talia's mom know what was going on? Because, you know, she was telling us the video that she watched. In that case, unfortunately, Lisa Plum's mother was complicit, right? But she said it was very different. Talia says she hid it really well from her mom because she felt like she had to. It's not just essay, it's like deep mental abuse. This started when she's six or seven years old.

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  The threat started that young. Talia says, there was a time where my cousin, she's like a year younger than me, but obviously, we were both very little at the time. And my cousin would come over and hang out. And there was this one time, everyone was hanging out in the backyard. He had me locked in the bathroom with him. And he was like, if you don't do these things, I will go get your cousin and I'm going to do them to her instead. Talia says that he would tell her, if she were to tell anyone about the abuse, he would kill either her grandfather, which is the person she's the closest with, or her mother, or any of her siblings, who also happen to be his own children. And she says, you know, especially with him being ex-military, which I saw his TikTok videos, he's a very like, he works out a lot. And I'm like a full grown adult.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Like he, he does have a very imposing figure. But imagine if you're seven years old. Like this man must look like a freaking mountain. She said, it was just terrifying to me as a kid. She says, it wasn't necessarily physical force all the time. Usually something would be held against me, whether it would be my siblings or something of mine that, you know, I owned. Or it would be something like, if you don't do this, I'm going to do it to someone else. Or I'm going to do this to your mom or kill your family. And then I would just feel obligated to do it. There was one time he did choke me up against a wall. He was like renovating his mom's basement. He had rope and an unfinished basement. There are beams in the ceiling and he had tied the rope to one of those beams. It was one of those like BDSM rope things. I don't know how to explain it.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  But, um, he was trying to get me into it, like basically trying to suspend her from the ceiling. And I told him no. And he grabbed me by the throat and slammed me up against the wall and was screaming in my face for giving attitude and saying no. And the only thing I remember was just blacking out. I remember looking at one of the windows in the basement when I woke up and just thinking about how maybe I could run away that night if I could crawl through the window in the basement and just thinking about if I could do that.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  There were times where Talia's mom was also going through a lot. So the first child she had with John seems to have been planned. The second and third child were twins. And her postpartum was really intense after she did attempt to self-exit. But John uses that to manipulate Talia, telling Talia that Talia owes him everything. Because he's the one that found Talia's mom, and so he must have saved her. But eventually, the whole relationship between Talia's mom and John Nethers falls apart. She says that he would just try to pull these like crazy stunts over the years. Talia says near the end, he tried to tell me and my mom that he had skin cancer, like a special type of skin cancer, that he only had a month to live and that we needed to be nice to him. And I needed to call him dad and stuff like that.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  My mom was just really tired. I mean, for after a while, she kicked him out of the house finally. And he was not living with us the entire time. It was like a week with my mom and then a week with him. Because they have kids together. So it'd be a week on, a week off. And it actually got a lot worse, the abuse. Even though he's no longer living with Talia, because she and her siblings, who are biological children of John Nethers, would go to his house for an entire week without her mom present. So two weeks of the month they were there. Talia says, he had this apartment downtown in the city and I feel like it got really bad there. I guess with no other adult in the house, he felt really free to do things. But I remember it was the first night that I was helping him move in.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  There was nothing in the apartment, only thing I think was like a futon. And he had me sitting on the futon and it was just me and him. And he was like, if you don't do these things tonight, I'm gonna bring your siblings here. I mean, my siblings, they were probably like four, five, six at the time. He would say that he would bring them there and do it to them instead. And she's like 10, right? She says, I told him on the futon that I would kill him if he did that. Obviously, I probably couldn't do that, kill him. He's ex-military and I'm like a 10-year-old. But I didn't want my siblings to go through the same stuff. So we asked, like, did that, what was his reaction to you threatening to kill him? And she says, I remember him finding it funny and laughing at the idea.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  And then it did not really go very well for me. But I didn't really have a choice either way. But then eventually, all hell just breaks loose. When she reaches close to like her teenage years, 12, 13, she had been holding it in for the past six years and finally it starts coming out. She said that she started getting into a lot more arguments with her mom. And Talia and her mom would get into fights over different things, like random things, right? And Talia would just be screaming at her mom. And one day, she just, she says, we were arguing and you know, we'd been arguing a lot. And there's one point where we were arguing in the hallway and I guess I just snapped. And I told my mom, John had picked me up and choked me up against a wall. So she blurts out the physical abuse.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  She actually doesn't tell her mom about the sexual abuse for a while. And immediately, her mom was like, stop, what are you talking about? What are you saying right now? Like, what is going on? Talia says, she still didn't want to open up about the other abuse. It takes months, but she tells her more about the physical abuse. And at this point, Talia's mom, who just thinks it's physical abuse, she decides, okay, yeah, no, it's over. She's going to bring the kids one last time to John's house. They're gonna gather up all of their belongings and they're never going back to John's. They're never gonna see John, nothing. Like, John is basically dead to her, okay? She does ask Talia if Talia is okay with going. Now, there wasn't, like, it seems from the interview that we had,

• 12:36Speaker 01

  it doesn't seem like there was an over-usage of physical force, which is very similar in a lot of cases like this. It's mainly a lot of the threats, the manipulation, and it's the physical violence, not physical force. Of course, there's physical force, but physical violence, right? And so it seems like maybe her mom was asking because it seemed years ago. And perhaps she wanted to go get her things from John's house, right? It seems like a reasonable thing. And so she asked Talia and Talia says, you know, when you're a kid, you're not really thinking like, oh, what could happen when I go? You're just thinking, I guess I do need my stuff and like, who's gonna get it if I don't get it? And like, yeah, that is my stuff. So she agrees, but then she gets there and she says, I just remember I was freaking out because I thought that he would find out somehow that I said something.

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  I was just freaking out, I was sobbing, crying the whole day. And he came up to me and he was like, why are you depressed? What's wrong? And of course, I didn't tell him, I was just like, I don't know. And I don't remember if anything happened that night, I can't be completely sure. But I just remember being so scared that he was gonna find out while I was there that I had said something to my mom. Then immediately, when they're safely home, Talia's mom informs John Nethers that he will never be seeing their kids again, that he has to stay away from the children. She will never be seeing John ever again, do not come near any of them ever again.

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  John does not listen. He tries to go see the kids, they have to call the cops. Neighbors were coming out as witnesses. John is freaking out, demanding to know what's going on, he's pissed. He accuses Talia's mom of sleeping with one of the neighbors. And that's why she won't let him see the kids. But at the same time, Talia says she was so scared to tell her mom about the essay. Because, you know, it's like, Talia's mom's reaction is really unfortunate that they're even in this situation. But Talia's mom is doing the right things when she finds out about the physical abuse, right? But she says that, I think it was just a lot of shame. I felt like it was my fault when it was all going on. He would tell me that my mom hated me. He would try to like put me up against my mom. He said that my mom hated me and told him that I was a slut.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Which definitely she didn't, but she says, you know, and all these things, I just didn't really trust anyone as a kid because I didn't know what to believe. She says the only place that she felt safe growing up was her grandparents' house. It was like a full town away and it was up on this hill. And it was pretty quiet, it's just grandpa and grandmother and that felt like home. But even that, John tried to ruin and tried to fully isolate Talia. She says, he was really big on the isolating thing. I was really close to my grandpa and I would stay maybe like every other weekend at his house, go to the church with him on Sundays and all that stuff. And there was a point in time where John even tried to tell my mom that my grandpa was drugging me and then selling me off to the Church of Masonry. Like, selling her off, her body, while she's drugged.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  John would even try to convince Talia that her grandpa is doing this to her. Like, you're being drugged and sold off at night. And Talia's like, no, I'm not. But she also didn't know what happened because she didn't see her grandpa for like a year or so after that. But she did, you know, see him again after. But it was like a year or two gap of not seeing him. But one day, Talia just decides to tell her mom the full extent of what's been happening. She says, I don't remember exactly what caused me to tell my mom about the essay. I remember it was really late at night. I think it was winter. I honestly think I was like watching YouTube or something. And I had seen someone open up about theirs. It was like, um, like it had been getting to me for a while, just having it kind of pent up and no one to tell about it.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  It was in the middle of the night and I went and I woke her up. And I laid down and I told her. She says, it was like, you know, back then, like the YouTube videos where people do the note cards of like the abuse, like their trauma and it's like written on note cards. She says that her mom called off work the next day and they walked into the police station together the next day to make a report. They moved houses to get away and make sure that John Nethers never knew where they lived. But even then, he would constantly find out and send them stuff like flip books of pictures of him and the kids. Talia says it was insane. So Talia and her mom, they go to the police station. And Talia says, they gave it over to a detective and we had the detective's phone number.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  We were communicating and eventually, we just didn't hear anything back. I mean, it didn't really go anywhere to begin with, it was just immediately kind of like brushed off. Later, Talia gets in touch with a prosecutor about something else. And Talia had mentioned like, oh yeah, I mean, I've talked to like a police before because of something unrelated. And they're like asking about the abuse and the prosecutor finally, someone like does something. She gets really upset and she's like, what do you mean, the detective never reached out? So she's like, yeah, they never reached, like nothing came of it. So then she brings in a second detective who's known for handling cases like this. He actually was known for arresting a music teacher from Talia's school that had abused one of the students. So Talia says, I trusted him and he looked through it for a bit and eventually, we didn't hear from him either.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  And then it was like two or three years since we heard anything from him. We got a call from now, a new detective. So this is the third detective. And he said the second detective had recently retired. And as he was cleaning out his desk and his file cabinets, he saw Talia's file.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  And he felt like shit. He went to the detective that's taking over his new cases because he's retiring. And said like, you, you need to get on this one ASAP. Talia says, I mean, it's crazy. Like, my mom is definitely still upset about it. I've kind of accepted it. I think after a certain amount of time, I just didn't really think anything was gonna happen at all. And it didn't really, like, the third one didn't go anywhere either. It's not until um, they get arrested for completely separate crimes that they are calling to ask if Talia wants to testify. So no one really like looked into her specific case. And it seems like I, it's unclear if Talia is the only victim in this regard.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Um, clearly with the CCM, there are victims there. Probably yes, because there are videos that were found. So and they have been classified as CCM publicly by the detectives. So. But maybe there could be more victims. Talia says. She doesn't really know. She does think that after they broke up, that John would date other people with children. Like, single moms, but she, she doesn't really know. That's just like a thought. I will say that there is this Instagram post that he had of a woman. And she's in red lingerie, her face is not showing, and the caption reads, ah, the mystery mistress. If only she came with cheesecake.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  And with what Talia thinks could be his track record of dating single moms. It feels like cheesecake could mean something else, right? But, and if cheesecake is in fact a code word. And the police find CCM in their devices that appears to have been hidden camera footage from public restrooms, the footage of Brianna violating a thirteen year old boy. Are they selling that footage? We asked Talia if she has any knowledge or anything about the selling of CCM and she says. That's something, I mean, I wasn't, I, I don't know. I, when I was younger, he would talk about going on the dark web. And he would talk about all of this, but I mean, there were times where he would show me gore and stuff from 4chan and stuff.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  And then he would show me gore and um, then he, like, he got to some point where he had gotten a laptop and he set it up so he could go on the dark web. Tor, basically, and he'd go on there and look at crazy stuff. So. That was one of the things that me and my mom discussed, actually, like, it might have just been, like, if maybe he could have sold it on there or somewhere. Especially because he's editing it. Which like is the thing, like, what do you mean the police were saying he's editing the footage? Why would you need to edit the footage? And so right now, both John and Brianna are being held on a five hundred thousand dollar bond each, so a million collectively. And it just seems like, I don't know if it's a lot more is going to unravel during the trial process. But the emotional trauma that's left behind is, I don't know if anyone does.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  But it's not like it's just, the story is over because they're in jail and they're gonna face charges. In Talia's email, she says that through a lot of the work that RM does. It helped her in a way, and she says, quote, I had the courage to come forward in my case and I'm finally getting justice after ten years. And watching RM report about people getting the justice they deserve. Made me realize I'm not the exception and I deserve to be able to live my life freely with no fear. Which I feel like we don't really deserve a part in her story, but we feel very honored to be part of it. I really also appreciate the way that she's so transparent with us on this phone call about how she feels even now that he's. In jail and he's going to face charges.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  It just, I think knowing these very specific feelings takes away a lot of the shame. I think people in similar situations might have. Certain nuanced feelings that you don't see, like, being reported on ABC dot com, right? She says that she never saw him as a father figure, obviously, never saw him as her father. But it is kind of weird sometimes. She says, you know, somebody will be talking about their parents. And then I'll subconsciously say, oh, my parents did this when I was a kid. And then I'm like, what? No, he's not my father. Like, that's weird. I don't even see him as my father. I don't think my brain even understood the concept of a father figure or felt like I needed one. And to me, a father figure was always my grandfather, honestly.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  So she said, like, she has these weird moments.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  She says, you know, more than the sexual or the physical abuse in her day to day now. She says she remembers like random things he said to her. Like, that's what pops up. She says, I'll think of something that he said to me. And then it'll just rewrite how I'm going about my day. She says that John took a lot of seemingly just, you know, innocent family pictures and she says, I can't even look at them. Like, even though it's not him in it, it's just like her and her siblings. It was still taken by him, so it's weird. Yeah. But they were like normal kid pictures. She remembers he forced her to take a picture. And again, this is a legal picture. But he forced her to make it her Facebook profile at the time.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  And he told her that she needs to make it her profile picture so that her classmates or their parents would see it and maybe want to reach out to him to get their like kids. School photos, graduation photos done too. Our researcher asked her, like, do you think he was doing it for money or do you think he was? Talia says, I think it was both. I do think it was both. I think it was more of a test to see if he could, like, what could happen. It was really weird. Of course, I never advertised it. I think somebody asked me and I was like, oh, it's this random photographer, but it was just like stuff like that he would do.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  She is in her early twenties now. And he had been free up until this year.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  And she says, I guess after a certain amount of time, I just lost hope. And I didn't really think anything would come of it. It was just all very sudden that all of this is happening. I was thinking about actually moving in to my friend's like tiny room that's out of town and just be away because. I realized that being in the city and even going to Walmart or anywhere out of the house, I was just so scared of running into him that it would basically stop me from doing anything. Up until he got arrested. And up until he got arrested, he was stalking my accounts on TikTok and Instagram and whatnot. And there was one time, maybe a year ago, I'd posted on my TikTok story. It's just like a rant about my PTSD and how it was affecting me and it was just like a really bad time. It felt like everything was really like caving in at that time.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  It was after getting ghosted from the second detective that was supposed to investigate and. My brain just kind of shut down. I was posting something about my PTSD. And how it was really bad and how it felt like I would never be able to be a normal person or function normally again. And he just viewed that one story. And I remember freaking out and like immediately blocking him. And that was eight years since the last time she saw him. So he's been stalking her TikTok for eight years.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Talia says her mom is also going through a lot emotionally and she says, she has a lot of guilt. She feels really bad and it does eat her up. Um, I've never held it against her at all. She didn't know and it was such a weird situation. Even sometimes I'll blame myself for keeping her in that situation by not saying anything because.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  She says because it was also not good between them. Talia is basically saying like she feels guilty because if she had said something earlier, her mom would have spent less time in a toxic relationship.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  And like you hear a lot of stories where mothers don't believe their daughters or knew all along and never did anything. And it was just really emotional to hear that Talia's mom stood by her daughter and to hear how. I think part of their process of having these complicated emotions of guilt. And the way that they're so compassionate towards one another is depressing and unfair because obviously. They should be living a version of their lives where none of this had even happened in the first place. But it does show a lot of, I mean, I don't even know the appropriate words that could fit something like this, but. I imagine the way that they are compassionate and so graceful towards each other contributes a lot to their ability to be able to heal themselves and one another.

• 28:42Speaker 01

  Talia says with John finally facing charges, even if they aren't for what he did to her, she says. He is finally put away and I'm finally able to leave my house with no fear. Even going to Walmart or the mall without worrying about seeing him is like such a relief. And there's already been such a huge improvement in my healing. So I hope I'm able to get full closure so that I can completely close off that portion of my life and just move on.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  As for Brianna, she says, um, she has complicated feelings about Brianna. One time Talia was forced to help John with a photo shoot and she says, "I remember helping him take Brianna's school photos."

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Really?

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, and she just remembers holding the reflector. And we asked, "Do you personally know Brianna?" And she says, "I actually went to high school with her. I'm ninety-nine percent sure it was her that I helped take photos of." So, it is very complicated of where, like, the, what the reaction is to Brianna and others. Um, forty-five minutes away, actually, there is a case where, just, um, the sixteen kids case, right? Yeah, forty-five minutes from them is the sixteen kids case in Ohio, the House of Horrors that everybody was talking about, found in that twelve-by-twelve-foot room. We covered the case and the Ciders family, House of Horrors, this is like a few episodes ago.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Four adults, mom, dad, dad's parents, were arrested after sixteen kids were found locked in a single room. And to put that into perspective, it's like sixteen dogs living in one cage twenty-four-seven, just like, uh, size-wise, not comparing animals and humans, but size-wise, right? The mother in the case, Ciders, Elizabeth Ciders, was fifteen when she married and began having babies, basically back-to-back, bringing sixteen living children into the world. And initially, um, just a minority of netizens very much sympathized with Elizabeth, considering her age and the physical toll the pregnancy's probably had. One netizen commented about Elizabeth, "Everything about her body language suggests that she's a victim, not a perpetrator. This started when she was fifteen years old, a child."

• 30:48Speaker 01

  However, she, along with her husband recently, the father of the sixteen kids, were just recently, in the past few weeks, indicted on child sex abuse charges. They were both charged with two counts each of sexual battery and two counts each of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor less than ten years younger than their own age. Unsurprisingly, the sympathy for Elizabeth has reduced drastically. The coverage of this case has as well, but, um, I think the sex abuse charges seem to slash a lot of the public sympathy for Elizabeth Ciders. And there's vast differences between the two cases, obviously, but I guess a good question would be, how is Brianna Nethers a victim and how much of a victim?

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Some netizens are wondering if she was because how long was she groomed before she turned eighteen? Some people say that she was pregnant a few months before they got married, before she was eighteen. But others disagree in saying, "The minute that you create your own victims, you're not just a victim, you're also a perpetrator." And to add a little more weight to the second theory and opinion that people have, I was kind of lurking on local Facebook groups and, I, I mean, again, I don't know if these are true, so take it with a grain of salt, but some people are coming forward and saying that people had reached out to Brianna Nethers, warning her that, "Your husband, the man that you're marrying, was trying to do things to me when I was a child." Like, he is a PDF file and that Brianna would screenshot these conversations,

• 32:12Speaker 01

  post them on her Facebook, being like, "No, he's not, you guys are liars." Something in that vein. There are also rumors that another young individual has come forward saying that when he and Brianna were children, that Brianna tried to do things to him. So he's not shocked by the new charges. And again, these could be people making things up on Facebook, but these are local groups. This is not a case that has gained a lot of widespread attention where anyone on the depths of the internet, I mean, they could, would go and make up these lies for attention. It seems like, um,

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, very specific.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it seems like a conversation being had by members of the community and not people reacting to viral news.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  And it's interesting because Brianna Nethers doesn't, at least in the body cam footage, depict much remorse for anything that she's been charged with. In fact, she just keeps asking to give John, her husband, a hug. I don't know what the fuck is up with people getting arrested and then asking to hug their partners. I, she's crying in the car, sobbing, "Am I able to see him before we leave?" They're like, "Who?" "John, can I at least give him a hug?" The officer, I think, maybe he's like flabbergasted, okay? The officer shows Brianna a picture of something on his phone, telling her, "That's the male in middle school, the same year you had sex with him in the bathroom." Like, kind of, I, maybe it's like a get-it-together, like, this is what you're, what have you done?

• 37:51Speaker 02

  That's what his response to the hug question?

• 37:54Speaker 01

  A little bit later, yeah. And so she's crying and she says, "I didn't know any different." Yeah, I, I don't know. There are additional rumors that John was dating Brianna's mom before dating Brianna. That's unclear, it's just a rumor on Facebook, but, I mean, again, it's Facebook, anyone can comment anything. But Talia says she suspects Brianna could have been groomed since she was thirteen, up until she was eighteen, but she's not entirely sure. Now, one source did tell us that there are potentially like eighty thousand hours of videos found on the devices. So we're not really sure how much of that also shows Brianna, how much of that Brianna helped create, if any, at all. Well, at least the one-

• 38:38Speaker 02

  Eighty thousand hours?

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, I mean, I don't know. They've been very quiet about this case publicly, there's not a lot of reporting on it. But right now, they are being held on a $500,000 bond. Talia says, when John and Brianna are finally arrested, I just lost it. I think there's a lot of, um, I suffer with OCD as well, so there's a lot of guilt issues. For the longest time, I would even blame myself for Brianna being with him. And I was like, maybe if I had really pushed for a bigger investigation like sooner and done a better job at advocating for myself and for the investigation, maybe Brianna wouldn't be in that position, which I'm learning to ignore that part of my brain, but of course it's always there. So they actually just added a ton of charges.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  And so we went through all the charges and she says that she was really concerned because she was told ahead of time that the detectives are gonna do a search warrant. And she was concerned that they would find nothing and release him. So she was so scared that she couldn't eat or sleep for four days. About the charges, she said, you know, we were reading through the charges and we saw that two of the victims were three and five years old. And we asked Talia if she thinks Brianna will turn on John and testify against him. And she says she doesn't really know. But she says, okay, I feel like he will turn on Brianna in a way too. I don't think he sees her as a person, probably more of a pawn than anything.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  And that was one of the things I was actually really worried about for a while after he got arrested. And when I heard about the fact that they were making those kinds of videos, in my head, I was like, maybe he did it in a way where he wasn't shown, or there's no way to prove that he did anything and it'll all end up on her. So for a while I was like, what if he just gets away with it and blames all of it on her? And then they have nothing to kind of back up what he was kind of orchestrating at the whole time. Both John and Brianna have been charged with one count of cruelty to animals, as well as one count of sexual conduct with an animal. Talia says that she remembers after John moved out, there was this dog that he kept at his mom's house. She says the dog was like this little pit bull mix. She says, the dog was left outside on, I think it was like a four foot chain at the time.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  It was covered in bugs and fly bites and was just being eaten away at. His mother would smack the dog. Nobody would pay attention to that dog. I would sit in the kitchen at the door, um, and like the dog is on the other side of the door. And she said, I would sit and play with the dog through the door. I don't know what happened to that dog because I got out before then, but there was definitely a lot of animal neglects and other kinds of animal cruelty. She says that she wouldn't be surprised if, you know, with the sexual charge with animals. She says, that was something my mom had actually brought up before the charge was added. She said that she wouldn't be surprised if they had done something to animals because he had tried to force her to do the same thing. She said that he tried to convince her to put peanut butter down there and let the dog lick it off.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  That was something that she mentioned before the charge was even brought up and she said that she wouldn't be surprised about it. And then there was actually someone in one of the comment sections of like a Facebook group saying the same thing before the charge was added. There's also an X post where we found on Brianna's X account that is dedicated to just promoting her OnlyFans account. And she posted a picture with a little pit bull puppy. And she writes, good morning, babe. Guess what? I got a puppy yesterday. He'll be with me on live tonight at 8:00 PM. Come join us and have some fun. Can't wait to see you guys there. And it is a link to her OnlyFans account. Now, I'm not saying that anything inappropriate took place on that live stream, but

• 42:11Speaker 01

  and I, justice is great, but when it takes so long, it is hard not to get frustrated, knowing how it impacted Talia, her family, but also that 13 year old boy in the bathroom and who knows how many other people. One person comments on Facebook, he was my photographer when I was younger and I used to model. He even asked me to do nude photos for a project he had and I told him no. He told me that he was starting to have feelings for me and I got very uncomfortable and I stopped doing photo shoots for him. It was just unreal. Another one reads, he dated my best friend in high school. The things she told me were terrible. He was scum. I hope he gets the max. He's a sicko. One alleged local comment on Facebook says, her boyfriend is weird too. So this is about Brianna's arrest.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  And he cheats on her all the time and tried to mess with all of us as minors, even messed with her as a minor. So this doesn't really surprise me. Another person comments, I was literally 16 and he was trying to get me to do OnlyFans. He is a predator and has manipulated her. I don't care. Another person says, I used to work with Brianna at a club prior to her getting arrested. And while I'm disgusted, I'm not at all shocked. She essayed a dog, had incestuous tendencies, would prostitute herself and would constantly try to exploit and pimp out other girls in the club, especially the young naive ones.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  Again, this is just a Facebook post, but another Nettas in comments about Brianna, she tried to groom me when I was 16 and then went after my family member and roofied her. Again, I couldn't verify, right? Anything of that. But one person writes, this makes me want to go to jail, request to be in the same block with him and I would fucking maul that dude. Another person comments, John Nethers was deployed with my ex-husband in Iraq. And I was informed that he was always on his computer and he was always able to talk people into exploiting themselves. He hid behind the idea of things being art. His wife wasn't his first victim. He's been doing this for years and it evolved into what he became today. I say lock him up and throw away the key. Maybe other violators should be exposed.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  As for Talia, I hope that testifying against John will give her the closure she needs and not pose a risk of further trauma because sometimes defense attorneys are literal assholes. But I just hope that she, there was, um, it was interesting. So during the interview, she is so genuine and so transparent about everything. And there was this one time where she was getting really emotional and it was about roses. She said that, um, she's growing up and she says, my grandpa, he had roses. He had like a, over a hundred and 50 rose bushes. Like he loved his roses. He also loved his cars. He had these old cars and I loved going over and just like helping him take care of the roses and just spending time with them and helping where I could.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  And she starts getting really emotional for one of the first times in the interview and she says, so honestly, I loved like Christmas over there. My grandma lived on the hill and then at top, on the top, you know, the house was on the side and then at the top, there was like a log cabin and a barn and a fire pit. And it was just like every family event was held there. So all my good memories are with my grandpa. Unfortunately, um, in 2023, he passed from bone cancer. And she says, when he passed, the one thing that stuck with me was he, he, he was dementia ridden. He couldn't talk, couldn't see. He was in hospice. I remember sitting at the side of his bed, just crying.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  And he asked me if I had everything I needed. And I was just like, well, and she says, my grandpa was great. I think he knew something was going on. There was actually one time he asked me if John had done anything to me. And of course I didn't tell him because I didn't want him to know that. It was just one of those things where I think he knew, but he didn't want to press further. And she started getting emotional and apologizing for her emotions. And she says, he's just amazing. He was the father for me. He, he was my father.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  And that is where I leave you with the case for today. We're going to be keeping up with the legal process for John and Brianna Nethers and we'll be keeping you updated, but yeah, let, let me know your thoughts and please stay safe and I will see you in the next one.

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