Woman Lures Boys into Public Bathroom to SA Them, Secretly Recorded for Her Husband to Edit

On July 20, 2026, a body-cam video appeared on YouTube: a young woman, hysterical and seemingly shocked as police placed her in handcuffs. Authorities had allegedly found footage of her sexually abusing and recording a 13-year-old boy in a public restroom, footage she allegedly gave her husband to edit. Few months later, a young woman named Talia contacted the us after watching a Rotten Mango Episode. She knows the couple personally, for more than a decade... Her story revealed a far more horrifying connection. This is the case of John and Brianna Nethers, and why it took so long to catch them. Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com

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  There is no way to anticipate a stomach drop moment. Even when you're on a roller coaster, I mean, I guess you can anticipate it, but you can't really time it exactly, nor can you prevent it just because you know it's coming. I feel like there have been times on roller coasters where you think if you clench as hard as possible, you're not going to feel it, but you're going to. That stomach drop feeling, you're going to feel it. It's because your abdominal organs are not bolted to your skeleton. They're essentially in place thanks to gravity. But when you're at the top of a roller coaster plunging downward, you enter near free fall. The seat stops pushing you up, and for a second or two, you are effectively weightless. So that's why your stomach feels like it's dropping, because it kind of is.

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  This is a very oversimplified explanation that I'm sure some doctor out there is going to be upset about, but that same feeling, interestingly, happens when you receive really bad dreaded news that you were not expecting. Even if you're expecting some bad news, but it's not the exact kind that you're expecting, your stomach could still have that dropping feeling. I mean, technically, it's weird because there's no physical movement in the body, but somehow your brain classifies something as a threat, and within seconds, you enter fight-or-flight mode, which means blood is yanked from your gut. Adrenaline, cortisol, they divert the blood from the digestive tract to your heart, your brain, and your limb muscles.

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  Basically, when you enter fight-or-flight, your system has evolved to handle physical threats by shutting down digestion. And it's actually the stillness of your stomach. So when you are in a normal mode, your stomach, there's constant rhythm that you may not even consciously notice because you're constantly digesting. But when you have that instant moment of maybe it lasts even a fraction of a second, everything stills in your stomach. And it's because we were evolved that we would shut down digestion, because if you were to sprint away from imminent danger, digesting lunch is a luxury that fleeing animals cannot afford, and that stillness feels like a stomach drop. July 20th, 2026, so this year, body cam footage is uploaded to YouTube, and it's not, um,

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  it's not like one of those deep dive cases. It's more so one of those channels that uploads body cam footage without adding in much commentary. So they're not also simultaneously going through the FOIA like a lot of really good channels do. They just kind of upload the footage, make some small comments, but that's about it. The body cam footage includes a young woman being arrested. She's quite hysterical about her arrest. She acts like this is complete and utter nonsense. It's coming as a shock to her, as if there is not video the police have found of her essaying a 13-year-old boy in a public restroom that she recorded, that she recorded and then handed it off to her husband, who then edited the video.

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  Why do you need to edit this video? I mean, first of all, why do you have this video, but why do you need to edit the video? But she's almost shocked that the police are putting her in handcuffs. That body cam footage does not gain a lot of attention. It's short, there's not a lot of publicly available information out there, and aside from her very bizarre shock, and aside from that, there's not much else to the footage that you can dive deeper into. At least, that's what people thought. A few months later, we were on a call with a girl named Talia in what we thought would be completely unrelated matters. Turns out, it wasn't. She said, she was explaining to us that she was watching one of our videos, and she says, quote, "Not exactly sure the title, but it was a sit-down interview with a woman about

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  a similar situation, about her mom and her mom's boyfriend. I remember watching it, and it really helped me just to be able to have conversations with even my therapist." It takes a moment, and then she says, "I think the title of the episode was 'Her Parents Were Pedophiles'?" That free fall moment is made even worse when the connection between the body cam footage, without much detail of this woman and this 13-year-old boy in the videos recorded in the public restroom, when all of that and Talia's story start merging together, and they're all involved. This is the case of John and Brianna Nethers, and why the hell it took so long to catch them?

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  We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to directly support a survivor in today's case. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's team of dedicated researchers. We'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes are available at rottenmangopodcast.com. Please take breaks if you need to for this episode. There's going to be quite a few mentions of grooming, essay, CSA, CCAM, and one or two brief mentions of animal cruelty. Please watch with discretion and prioritize your health. Talia is not the real name of the survivor that we spoke to. We have given her a pseudonym so she can have more privacy going through the legal process of this. We were also able to do as much verification as possible with the FOIA that we received

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  on our end, but this is an active and open case. There was a lot of verifying that we did with Talia, but it's, it is unraveling in court, and like any other case, until someone is proven guilty in the court of law, they are innocent until proven guilty. So with that being said, let's begin. We get an overwhelming amount of emails in a single day, which I think is a huge privilege for us to have that many people trust us with what's happening in their lives. But with every email that the RM team goes through, we do take a lot of time to figure out ways to be of use, if we are even of use to people, to respond and to also vet the information.

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  One recent email that we've received reads in part, "This might come as a strange email." Talia, the author of the email, says, "I was sexually abused for about five to six years as a child, from when I was around six and seven years old to up until I was about 12 years old, by my mother's boyfriend at the time. She was not aware, and I was too scared to tell her until we were completely out of the situation." She says that she and her mother initially went to the police, made a report, that case is dropped, and then nothing happens for eight to nine years. So Talia is early twenties now. Nothing happens. There's nothing being done, nothing being investigated, until almost a decade later. Now, it's been eight, nine years, add a few years on top of that, a detective picks up

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  the case, and then it gets dropped again. Until three months before this email is sent, out of nowhere, another detective calls Talia, asking if she's going to be willing to testify against the man who abused her. But there was no investigation done into her abuse, and he's not even charged with anything that had to do with Talia, which means, what else did he do, and who else did he hurt? Talia's original email to us was not even asking for really anything, like she wasn't asking for help, she wasn't asking for trying to get the police involved. She was just saying, like, "Your videos helped a lot while I was going through this process, and now it seems like there's going to be justice." And we decided that we had to reach out and figure out what's going on.

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  We were given the names of the two individuals in the email, as well as Talia linked to some news articles about their arrests. So she told us that she was abused by John Nethers as a child for years, like she's six to 12 years old, she's abused by this man, repeatedly being essayed by the person who was trying to be her stepdad. Not that she ever saw him as a father figure, but the charges that he has been arrested for are not those crimes. So the first thing we did is a precursory search into the two names we were given. The first news article about them is a local news station. "Licking County Couple Indicted For Child Sex Charges After Secretly Taping Minors In Restroom." The article reads in part, "A Licking County couple was indicted Thursday for CCAM charges

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  after they allegedly taped sexual encounters involving minors in a public restroom. Forty-three-year-old John Nethers and 23-year-old Brianna Nethers were arrested when Newark police served a search warrant in connection with a rape and CCAM investigation." John Nethers is who Talia named in the email. But who the hell is Brianna Nethers? I mean, clearly- It's his wife, they're married, but is that all? According to our online research, Brianna Nethers, the wife, would hide a camera on her purse, like a button camera, it looks like a button, lure a thirteen year old boy into the public restroom where they would quote engage in sexual activity. The whole thing is being recorded by a hidden camera in her purse.

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  She also apparently set up a hidden camera, she would go into the women's restroom, so this is without the thirteen year old. She would go into public women's restrooms and throw her purse on the dirty bathroom floor so that it can see up the stalls next to her and record whoever is in there. It appears the target were girls, minors. The criminal complaint reads that some of the videos they found quote, one video depicts defendant Brianna entering public restroom in Newark and setting up a hidden camera hidden on her purse. Defendant Brianna then goes and finds a young male, which she brings to the bathroom and does something sexual with him. NPD was able to identify the male in the video and he was a thirteen year old juvenile. The other video shows defendant Brianna placing the hidden camera on her purse on the floor in a public restroom.

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  The video shows her manipulating the camera to view the stall besides her. The video is thirteen minutes in length and shows several women using the bathroom. Several of the people depicted are prepubescent females depicted in a state of nudity. Then John, the husband, would take the footage from the hidden cameras and then he would edit them on his laptop, like he's creating some sort of sick and twisted movie. That is what John and Brianna Nethers get arrested for. When Talia has spent the past decade trying to get the police to open an investigation into John Nethers and now they want her to potentially testify against him, but why didn't the police investigate him sooner? I started looking into the two social media accounts, one for John Nethers and for Brianna Nethers, although they have different social media handles.

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  Brianna Nethers was an OF model. Her OnlyFans account seems to have been taken down since her arrest, but I did go through her X account. And it is a lot of what you would imagine, just videos of her promoting her OnlyFans account. I mean, logistically speaking, there are some videos I don't quite understand. Like, okay, so there are videos from her X account and John Nethers' TikTok, where it seems like both of them are very much into the gym life, they're gym buffs. They go and they work out in what appears to be a real public gym, or at least one of those membership gyms, LA Fitness, Equinox, whatever have you, right? It doesn't seem to be a private gym, I'm like looking at all the corners, it doesn't look like a gym in someone's garage. It doesn't look like a gym in someone's basement, it looks like a public gym.

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  But Brianna is just doing barbell squats with a small tiny sports bra and a thong. What? Yeah, I, which seems not only a little uncomfortable, it just seems more than a little unhygienic. And as for John Nethers, much of his social media presence is his photography business. The closest thing to describing his photography might be boudoir. But really, I mean, I do feel like that's like an insult to modern boudoir photography. Boudoir is intimate and sensual pictures of individuals in a very private setting. So opposed to like a family photo in front of a pumpkin patch or like wearing all white in front of the annual beach vacation.

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  It's usually just one person in their bedroom or a set that looks like a bedroom or a bathtub, perhaps. Maybe wearing lingerie, so not completely nude, but sometimes it can also be like an unbuttoned dress shirt without a bra, a little side boob, anything that feels very flirty but not super editorial. So it doesn't feel like Playboy, but it also doesn't feel like Vogue. The, it is supposed to be sensual. It's supposed to hit that feeling and it's usually picked by the subject of the shoot themselves. That is a big part of modern boudoir. It's supposed to be empowering for the subject of the shoot. This is definitely different from boudoir's origins.

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  It seems to have started as a version of semi-nude or soft explicit content produced solely for men. So back then, women were paid to undress, pose, and the picture was a product for men. But now boudoir photography has completely evolved into very empowering and passionate self-expression. Now women are paying a photographer so that they can have these photos and they decide who sees the photos, what to do with the photos. There's even a trend on TikTok, which, I mean, it's been a trend for ages, but it's a modern take on the boudoir photos where the TikTok is a groom's reaction. So throughout the wedding, either the bridesmaids or the bride herself will hand Polaroids or boudoir photo shoot pictures printed

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  to the groom throughout the wedding. Yeah, it wasn't a trend when, anyway.

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  Okay, sorry. But it's, it's like a cute little surprise and I think that's like the most common trend for boudoir photography. And these TikToks, they get millions of views, not because the photos are being shown, but it's just the groom's reaction to the partners that feel very, very special. So it's, it's about being empowered by your own sensuality. A lot of examples of people, I mean, I was deep in the Reddit threads. Other people who do boudoir photos are women who feel that they are approaching an age where they just want to remember what they looked like when they were a bit younger. Or even women who have survived breast cancer or double mastectomies might take these boudoir style photos as a way to come back into their body and their sexuality.

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  There's no partner required, it's just a very empowering moment. Sometimes it's not even the photos that help. Some people report on Reddit, it's just the process of posing in a comfortable space with a photographer that helps you showcase your beauty and that's boudoir. Which is a very stark contrast to John Nethers' work. Like maybe it's hindsight, maybe it's just my personal opinion, I'm not a professional photographer, nor do I know the ins and outs of each photography genre, but frankly, I think the way that he shoots boudoir does not feel empowering. Just looking at the photos of the half naked woman on his page, I feel like I shouldn't be looking. It doesn't feel, it kind of is like,

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  you know that quote that was going around for photographers or fashion designers of you can tell when a designer or photographer really loves women? It, it, it just does not feel that way for John, you cannot tell from his photography in my opinion. And it doesn't seem that he likes women, he loves himself. He likes his own perception of women and how their presence in a photo serves him is the feeling that I get. And maybe this is just woo woo analytical, I'm thinking too deep into it and it's not even art. But I just wanted to be sure that although his photography may be referred to as boudoir-esque, it's really not a fair comparison. His photos just don't feel like a true appreciation of the female figure. I have no way of knowing it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he were hiring women to pose for him and not the other way around.

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  Instead of focusing on making the shoot a comfortable environment, a lot of it feels very male gaze. There's a few photographs that also seem to border the line into kink or what is called erotica photography, which is again, a completely perfectly fine genre, as long as there's informed consent, everybody is of age. I think it's beautiful, right? But knowing that what he's been charged with, it doesn't feel like a real representation of that genre either.

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  But to give you an idea and some context, kink photography is typically nude, and it can range from vanilla, softer styles, to full kinks with multiple subjects, full nudity, depictions of BDSM. But still, usually the subjects are willing participants and want these photos for their own pleasure. It's not like a predatory photographer forcing models into inappropriate environments. There are a few NSFW, not safe for work AMA Ask Me Anythings that we went into Reddit pages about the kink photographers and their experience, and it just paints a very interesting picture. One photographer said that he is a professional rigor. So

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  a rigor is someone, kind of like, I guess rigor in the like studio sense of people who do the rigging for the lights and the cameras, right? But in the BDSM world, they have riggers of professional people who know how to tie rope, who know how to tie people up, who excel in that genre of extracurricular activities. Yeah. So he says, you know, I shoot with a lot of rope, and I'm very close with a rigor who I trust around models and clients. He's super professional, very safety minded, very skilled. And he says that they're always on standby, and he never physically even touches the model, because, you know, if they're tied up, you would have to adjust

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  some of the rope here and there, and maybe even some clothing, or some different poses. He says that he will never touch the subjects. The professional rigor is there to help adjust any costumes on the model, any props. In addition to ensuring the knots and bondage rigs are safe, they're never a danger to the client, and is on standby in case the client suddenly wants to stop and wants to get out of the ropes. It's almost like having an intimacy coordinator for simulated intimate scenes in movies. And I've seen a lot of the pictures, and they're really artistic. So you see a lot of women that are sometimes even suspended with rope, but you can tell the way that the rope is tied, it's, I mean, these are really complex ties, and they're used to

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  enhance her figure. So it's not just binding her up so she can't move. It's almost like the ropes are used against her own body to enhance certain parts, to hide certain parts. It's like a very interesting, yeah, I mean, it was just, it looks very artistic. That is not what is happening on John Nethers' Instagram page.

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  Is the page still up?

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  Yeah, it is. There are a few photos on there where seemingly nude women are tied up in rope. And that type of bondage, to me, simulates more kidnapping more than BDSM. Because again, a lot of rope usage in BDSM is a very beautiful expression. And I understand that some people, like, you know, they, but the way that it's shown, the energy that is coming off the picture, like, there is a picture of a topless woman, and she's in chains. And it just feels a little dark.

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  Especially knowing what he did.

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  Yes. If I didn't know that he was charged with anything, I might think, okay, well, maybe this is not my style of photography that I would be interested in. But it's just, um, some of the rope bondage, the pictures, the subject will be wearing a mask. One of them looks like her mouth has been sewn shut. They all have this gray and blue hue. Some of the women, they always have this like dazed look in their eyes, where it looks like, I mean, some of them, their eyes are closed, and it almost appears like underwater photography, like they're washing ashore after they've been kidnapped. Like, that's kind of, it's a very suffocating feeling. And that's just the style of photography that he likes to take.

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  The term cheesecake is not just to describe food. Back then, it was the publicly acceptable term for semi nude women, because even saying pinup was considered taboo. So they would just call them cheesecakes.

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  Really?

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  Yeah. So people would be like, I was on Reddit, and someone said, oh, yeah, my grandpa would say he's gonna go eat cheesecake, and he would just go self pleasure to some filthy magazines. Yeah. But that was back in the day. It's not really a commonly known term. It's actually the Reddit threads that I found cheesecake on. It's all, today I learned back in the day, people used to refer to pinup as cheesecake. I rarely see it used in the modern sense. John Nethers' Instagram profile has a lot of references to cheesecakes, along with a lot of pictures of women that are semi or barely clothed. We were scrolling through every single page, every single caption, trying to hit the hashtags to see what else came up, if there was some sort of community beyond John Nethers that were posting similar

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  photos. I would say that his Instagram is enlightening and not enlightening at the same time. There's so much that we were trying to gather, and then so much where we just kept second guessing ourselves. For example, some people believe that your favorite philosopher says a lot about who you are as a person. One person theorizes online, if your favorite philosopher is Socrates, you know nothing about philosophy. You're just listing out the most generic philosopher to sound good. People say you like Plato, you're very into theater and drama. Maybe you're not a full well-done theater kid, but like a medium well theater kid. Confucius, they say you are a teacher's pet who likes to snitch on the class, and you're also so fucking old. Aristotle is great, but if you're into one

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  of the Stoics, then you fall into two different camps of Stoics. If your favorite philosopher is a Stoic, you're either a Ryan Holiday bro Stoic, self-improvement Stoic, right? That you like Stoicism because you think you're cool, or you're an academic Stoic. And apparently, these two groups of Stoics fucking hate each other. Okay, usually the best way to tell is if you're into Marcus Aurelius, you're a bro Stoic. If you're into Seneca, maybe you're more an academic Stoic. Usually, the people who get the most judgment, though, are very passionate fans of Nietzsche. Some people think, okay, well, if you like Nietzsche, it's just a face. Okay, some people

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  think Nietzsche is an incel gateway. It's really up in the air. Okay, one person says if Nietzsche is your favorite philosopher, you may, for some reason, try to awkwardly use his philosophy to justify things like hustle culture, gym culture, cryptocurrency for some reason, or you're just a highly critical person who doesn't trust other people and prefers to do things their own way. John Nethers quotes Nietzsche in one of his captions. And it's not even one of his good quotes either. It's just, "I am a forest and a night of dark trees, but he who is not afraid of my darkness will find banks full of roses under my cypresses." I mean, it's as straightforward of a Nietzsche quote as you can actually get. Like, some of his quotes, they're misinterpreted, like God is dead or whatever, but this one

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  is pretty straightforward. It just means that as one can appear very gloomy and intimidating, Nietzsche himself, he writes in a very strongly masculine and aggressive way that alienates a lot of people, is probably why he's kind of one of the more misunderstood philosophers, regardless. But he is almost indicating that if you can get past that, there is some light and warmth inside. Cypresses are also often symbols of death and mourning. So saying, like, once you get past the cypresses, there are rose bushes underneath the cypresses is kind of, and roses are a constant symbol of beauty, love, and tenderness. So it's, it's that, basically saying whoever has the courage to enter my darkness, right, you're

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  gonna realize that I'm filled with unexpected warmth and beauty inside. I don't think that's hardly the case at all for John Nethers. His Instagram is like a portfolio, with mostly uploaded pictures being models or photo shoots, and it never looks like a very personal look into his life. But even with these seemingly professional shot and edited pictures, he often pairs them with these cheesy little captions. I guess he thinks he's being quirky. I don't know. One reads, "Hater's gonna hate, but goddamn if 1% milk doesn't do a body good." I don't know if this is like a big against big oat, big almond, I don't know who he's got beef with, but another one reads-

• 28:23Speaker 01

  What are the photos attached to these kind of quotes?

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  His wannabe boudoir photos. Yeah. Another one is, "Some of you need to make sure you're wearing your latex masks. You know who you are, Karens of the world." So I don't know if this is him trying to reference condoms, or who knows? It's kind of the off-brand humor, where one tries to be quirky, but it just comes off like slightly aggressive and dense. Another Instagram post is of a girl with a black veil on top of her head. John captions it, "I keep having dreams that I'm doing laundry, and I have to pay a-" It's a slur used for little people to keep an eye out for sock thieves. And then I saw another insert slur, looking in the window, wearing a black mask.

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  Little bastards have a racket going on and my dream bank account is shrinking. See, it's so off-brand. It doesn't make any sense. There's no point, there's no punchline. It's not even just bad humor. It's like frankly dumb humor. It's not even witty and bad. It's just bad. I don't understand what it is. Another picture is of a girl who appears to be on the beach and you just see her back. The caption reads, "Today's life lesson, never leave Post-it notes in the cheese stick section that say dairy dildos." Again, I think the juxtaposition of these wannabe funny captions with women's pictures of them where they are semi or fully nude,

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  I think just goes to show like he's not a photographer that wants women to feel empowered. It's also just not professional. He also makes edgy jokes that he probably thinks are politically sharp-witted, but it's just devastatingly unoriginal and mediocre. He posts a very, very sensual picture of a woman lying on her back, barely covering her chest. And the caption to that reads, "I now identify as a spoon." So this is probably some sort of dig at people who, you get it. And he says, "From now on, you must acknowledge me as Sir Spoon as you grovel upon my feet or you will hurt my feelings and force me into my safe space." Another caption, "Why is there a thing named grapefruit when there's a fruit named grape already? #wokeaf."

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  Another reads, "I wish I could have been born with octopus arms and a bigger mouth. Just imagine the possibilities." Hard eye emoji. You get the idea. He seems insufferable to be around. But as we were scrolling and subconsciously rolling our eyes at the same time, we started seeing this very bizarre trend on his Instagram and at first, we thought it was strange. But it's not the most alarming thing. Then we go on Reddit and it's like, okay, well cheesecake can refer to pinup styles. We don't see any pinup-esque photos, but maybe he just like inherited this term for soft core looks and he got it from his grandpa and just adapted it. But it just doesn't feel like that because the captions don't make any sense. There's this one picture of a woman modeling and it looks like she's in some sort of abandoned house perhaps.

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  The caption reads, "I just found out IHOP has cheesecake pancakes." What the fuck? How have I missed this? So this seems like an innocent, genuine thought about the food, about cheesecake pancakes. But the cheesecake fixation just keeps growing. Like it started to get alarming. Like after the first five, we were thinking, okay, maybe we should write some of these down because it's weird. One modeling picture shows a girl and her eyes are kind of zoned out. They're out of focus. She's covered in black lace. Her mouth is open and it's a very haunting sensual photo, I guess is the vibe that he's going for. But the caption reads, "I've decided to start going to the Cheesecake Factory while wearing a different disguise so I can lie and say it's my birthday to get free cheesecake. Now I just need to find a dude with a hairy back so I can get supplies for my mustache."

• 32:01Speaker 00

  Okay, that offbeat humor, but you know, more references to cheesecake, not alarming quite yet. We keep scrolling. Another one reads, "So there I was, balls deep in a slice of salted caramel cheesecake, when suddenly I woke up and realized it was a dream and I haven't had cheesecake in months. Why is the world so cruel?" It's just, I mean, if he has this fixation on cheesecakes, I was assuming he's eating cheesecake once a week, right? He wants to go to Cheesecake Factory and pretend it's his birthday. I would imagine he gets like Costco frozen cheesecake that he puts in his freezer. Then another picture where he posts a picture of a man staring hauntingly into the camera. The caption reads, "Someone told me today that people who don't like cheesecake are unfollowing me."

• 32:44Speaker 01

  He shoots photo of men too?

• 32:46Speaker 00

  Barely, and they're all fully clothed. It's like men at a billiards table, pool table, in a suit, right? And he says, "Someone told me today that people who don't like cheesecake are unfollowing me. Well, to those people who unfollowed me and won't see this post as a result, I haven't something to say to you. Thanks. There's more for me now." Smiley face emoji. Okay, I thought that was weird. One shows a girl in water. It looks like her hair is covering her mouth, almost like a piece of duct tape. It looks like she's barely alive and I get that's probably the creative point. She looks like her body has been found washed ashore in like a thriller book. It's clearly not a real picture of death, but that's the vibe it gives.

• 33:31Speaker 00

  And the caption reads, "The beginning of the end is almost nearly over. You better get your shit together and bring me cheesecake before it's too late." Another shows a girl standing in the forest with her hair covering her face. The caption reads, "Since adulting is now a word, then don't touch my cheesecake or I'll cut you is now a word." Perhaps this hyper fixation on cheesecake is just getting weirder, weirder. Another caption, "Sometimes I wrestle my inner demons and sometimes we hug and eat cheesecake. I'm a hugger, not a fighter." Then another, "I was just asked if I wanted normal or organic cheesecake. Clearly I don't want cheesecake with grass growing out of it." Rolling eyes emoji. Okay, so this one, I'm like, it's kind of weird.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 34:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. I don't know, but it was the feeling we were getting. It was the feeling.

• 34:21Speaker 00

  Then another with a girl wearing a black corset, looking into the distance and the caption reads, "The hills are alive with the sound of cheesecake."

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Oh my god, oh my god.

• 34:32Speaker 00

  Then another picture of a girl laying up against the ground and she's wearing black lace and a corset. Her hair is covering her face and the caption reads, "I've decided to open a private one-person restaurant in my treehouse that only serves cheesecake. I'm going to be the best customer I've ever had and make millions." Hard eye emoji.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, this is really obvious way she's trying to play.

• 34:56Speaker 00

  He was, I mean, CCM charges, right? So make millions, cheesecake restaurant, it's starting to feel like...

• 35:05Speaker 01

  He's just posting it in public.

• 35:07Speaker 00

  Yes, posting it in public. There's actually, well, we'll get there, but it gets worse. There's another picture of a girl. She's pulled a black lace veil over her head and the caption reads, "Clearly my new cheesecake filtration system is working fabulously." Which if the lace is the filtration system, then that would make whoever is in the photo, the cheesecake. Or is this like a completely unrelated caption? Another one shows a girl laying on what appears to be a glass coffee table. And it's almost like if he took different pictures of her, because her body is pressed against the glass coffee table. You don't see it, but it insinuates that she's nude and then overlaid 10 different shots.

• 35:48Speaker 00

  It's like 10 different arms and they all have that very sensual look to it. She appears nude and the caption reads, "Who let the cheesecake out?" At this point, we're starting to get the feeling that he's not just fixated on the dessert. In fact, we're starting to wonder if he was ever even talking about the dessert to begin with. It's just an abnormal, almost unhealthy amount of conversation about cheesecakes. It feels like there's a lot more captions about cheesecake than just anything else. And all of the captions are accompanied by his professional photography shots of typically young ladies who are not fully clothed or are fully clothed but have dark elements of being bound, covered, eyes unfocused, and just back-to-back captions.

• 36:30Speaker 00

  "If I had a cheesecake, I would eat it in the morning. I would eat it in the evening all over this land." Another, "There was a boy who had a dog and a cheesecake was his name and cheesecake was his name. Oh." Also, he's charged with sexual activities with animals.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  What?

• 36:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, we'll get to the charges. Then another caption, "And okay, it's official people. I'm swearing off cheesecake. Wait, no, never mind. False alarm. Go about your business. Nothing to see here. Move along." Another, "I think someone should invent cheesecake flavored coffee creamer. Then I could have my cake and eat and drink it too. The fuck is Thomas Edison when you need him? I wish Willy Wonka had a cheesecake factory. I would totally be one of the spoiled kids that he massacred. Oompa Loompa Doopty Doo." "Sometimes I feel like I've got to run away. I've got to eat some cheesecake. The only thing I love more than a fine slice of cheesecake is a warm and delicious morning sunset. The moment when you realize they stopped asking for your name for reservations at the Cheesecake Factory because you're there more than they are? Big eye shy face emoji. I thought for an entire month that I was going to die.

• 37:31Speaker 00

  Turns out, I just needed to eat some cheesecake. I'm not antisocial. It's just hard to talk with a mouthful of delicious cheesecake." And then there is a picture of a topless woman in bed. You cannot see her face, but it's a very intimate photo. And the caption reads, "I just, I really just want cheesecake for Christmas." Not that you care. Then a cryptic picture of an arm hanging off the bed or like out of a tub. You just really see the arm. And it says, "Sometimes beauty is served best without words. Thank god my mouth is full of cheesecake and my momma said it's rude to talk with your mouth full." There's another, a picture of someone underwater with their arms tied, covering their ears. And the caption reads, "I don't always hear voices, but when I do, they say, eat more cheesecake." Another nude photo of a model.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  This model is drop dead gorgeous, but you know what else is drop dead gorgeous? Cheesecake dripping in hot fudge, fresh strawberries and enough chocolate syrup to grant you serious Hail Marys in church on Sunday.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  How many are there?

• 38:28Speaker 00

  Just non-stop, non-stop. Like in what world would it be feasible that this man is still talking about the dessert? That he's just talking about just cheesecake? There's another picture that includes a girl just staring into the camera and the caption reads, "I keep forgetting if I brush my teeth today and so I go and brush them to be safe. I've probably brushed them 20 times already, but at least I can still eat cheesecake." And then this is one that we, because you know, I was scrolling with everyone and sometimes, you know, I over-read into things and I don't want to be that person and I'm talking to the team about it. And this is a caption that we all pointed out was very odd, just individually. It's about cheesecake. It reads, "I will never agree to eating pie instead of cheesecake again.

• 39:11Speaker 00

  Pie, more like Satan's sweaty old armpit boogers." So if this was, I mean, this is a valid opinion about desserts that people have. Usually people tend to prefer cheesecake over pie. But the fact that none of this feels like he's referencing the actual dessert, and again, maybe we are all thinking too deeply into it, but it's just alarming. None of these captions are accompanied by a single picture of actual cheesecake. He does have a picture of cheesecake from years and years ago, a picture of the actual cheesecake dessert. But these pictures, the captions that I just read, they're all of girls, partially clothed and with these very obsessive captions about cheesecake and his love for cheesecake. Such as, "Maybe if I put a taser in my pants, every time I think about cheesecake, it would make me think twice."

• 39:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 39:59Speaker 00

  And then another one that was not about cheesecake but was equally alarming was a picture. It is just the silhouette of a girl standing on a deserted beach at night. The caption reads, "I hate being an adult. They look at me crazy when I hold my birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese every Saturday." So we started taking down notes of all the cheesecake references, trying to cross-reference with anything online that's being sold or suggested with the use of cheesecake. We just wanted to make sure, and thankfully, there was really no other references that we could find, at least on the socially acceptable platforms we were on. Just to give you some transparency, we're talking about X Reddit, online.

• 40:41Speaker 00

  I'm not, I, we did not go on Telegram and try to infiltrate group chats and ask for cheesecake. There was not even people referring to it as some sort of coded language. So obviously, you're not going to, I mean, hopefully, you're not going to find any sort of illegal material on any of these social media pages, but you'll still see people referencing to that coded language, such as cheese pizza. That's a huge thing. And for example, coded language is huge. In the Epstein files, there's a lot of random words that are used that seem out of context, a tad bit strange. You keep rereading the same sentence, hoping your reading comprehension has not abandoned you after all these years. Ultimately, the sentence just doesn't make any sense. It feels like they're talking about something else than what they're actually talking about.

• 41:23Speaker 00

  Someone sends Epstein an email that reads, "I take higher risk in order to have higher return. What has your best student achieved so far?" Epstein's not a professor, but he responds, "Bliss. The deal was worth it." Whoever this person is, emails Epstein back, saying they had a good time, but Epstein says, "Not good enough. Making happy is cheap, like sweet candy. It has to get you thinking, otherwise it'll all fade quickly." They ask Epstein, "So, girls are like candy?" Epstein says, "Everything is like candy." They respond back to Epstein, "You're having too much candy. You want more and more and you get bored by the taste easier and faster. It's a vicious cycle. That is not a question, it's a conclusion." To which he says, "If you don't like candy, it's better to spit it out and try another.

• 42:06Speaker 00

  You should go back to being a student and stop attempting to philosophize. It's childish." And they respond, "I am being a student." So a student of Epstein's has achieved bliss, and it's superior than just being happy and having a good time, because being happy is cheap, cheap like sweet candy, but also, girls are like candy. The more candy you eat, the more prone you are to becoming bored of said candy. It's pretty clear that we're not talking about candy. But it's also not like we can just go ask Epstein to confirm or deny, considering he had a nasty run-in with his bed sheets that we're supposed to believe, and Maxwell, who should be rotting in Max Hell, but she's just sitting in minimum security. She's not exactly a forthcoming type. So the following examples of coded language in the Epstein files are just speculations.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  People believe the word "sauce" was used by Epstein and company to describe orgies, walnut allegedly for people of color, hot dog allegedly for little boys, ice cream allegedly for male sex workers, shrimp allegedly for little boys. And while all of these are speculatory, it is kind of strange that all these words appear quite a bit, and in a way that feels out of context. Some also say that grape soda appears to either be group sex, so grape soda, G-S, because you're kind of like taking the two letters of the words, like cheese pizza. Epstein's urologist apparently emailed him, saying, "You have refills available for ED pills. Call them back. After you use them, wash your hands, and let's go get pizza and

• 43:33Speaker 00

  grape soda." Another email to Epstein reads, "This is better than Chinese cookie. Let's go for pizza and grape soda again." Which pizza are they saying? Like cheese pizza? Are they saying regular pizza? Are they just talking about the food pizza? They say, "Let's go for pizza and grape soda again." No one else can understand. Another example, one Epstein document shows a picture of a baby. They refer to that baby as shrimp, and the baby is in the sink holding cocktail sauce. The file reads, I mean, the attached email reads, "Some are like shrimp. You throw away the head and keep the body." Which, again, makes zero sense if you take the sentence at face value. The word "map" has also been mentioned, apparently over 5,000 times in the Epstein files, and

• 44:14Speaker 00

  "map" has been more or less recently defined by PDF files themselves, confirming that they use "maps" to define a minor attracted person. Which is what they self-identify as, that nobody fucking respects. They're just PDF files. In another email with the subject, "Cream cheese baby," somebody emails Epstein, "Do you want veggie cream cheese tomorrow? I would go look for it now." To which Epstein responds rather strangely, "There are millions of babies. Very little good vegetable cream cheese." Which is very odd. I mean, is he trying to make some sort of, it's kind of like the John Nethers weird wannabe quirky post, where are you just making some sort of what you

• 44:56Speaker 00

  think is a witty, sharp, little comparison that is, haha, so unexpected? Or are we talking about vegetable cream cheese with babies? Like, are they a type of baby, is what some people online speculate. It feels like coded language right in our face, like cheese pizza. Cheese pizza is probably the most well-known coded term, standing for the now outdated term, CP. In fact, if you type in "cheese pizza" into X, many of the searches are not going to be for the dish created by Italians that has been desecrated by the Americans. It is in reference to CCAM material. Not CCAM material, or trying to purchase it or sell it, but just talking about like, oh, cheese pizza was found on someone's computer, right? Like, it's used in that term.

• 45:38Speaker 00

  In the Epstein files, the word pizza appears 859 times, and the word cheese appears 1,138 times, but it's not always used together as cheese pizza. In fact, there seems to be more, like quite a bit more references to cream cheese. So not cheesecake, but cream cheese. And cream cheese, is cream cheese code for something? Is cheesecake code for something?

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• 50:11Speaker 00

  Back to John Nethers' Instagram page. There's one picture of a girl on her knees, her elbows around the ground in a potentially suggestive pose. The caption reads, "I feel as though there's too much cheesecake in the world and not enough time to eat it. Maybe I need a partner in crime. Fuck that, I don't share." Again, if you love cheesecake so much, why would you want to ever share your slice of actual dessert? Another picture of a girl with her hair all over her face. It reads, "If I was a ninja, I would disguise myself well enough to eat as many slices of cheesecake as I wanted without anyone knowing." Then there is a seemingly nude individual holding onto a paper lamp covering their private parts.

• 50:52Speaker 00

  So you don't see their face, you don't see their chest, but, or they're down there, but it seems like they are nude. And the caption reads, "The fuck am I gonna find a pastor on such short notice? All this cheesecake isn't gonna marry itself."

• 51:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that's...

• 51:11Speaker 00

  Then another picture of a girl in the bath with lace covering her eyes. She appears to not be wearing any clothing. And the caption reads, "I've decided today that my next wife will be a cheesecake cupcake. Till death do us part. Devil emoji, skull emoji." The individual in the picture was unclothed in the bathtub when this was taken. You really only see um, her lips in the picture, her, the rest of her face is covered with black lace. And you don't see her body thankfully. But she was not clothed, and she was not of age. This is a heavily edited picture of Talia.

• 51:52Speaker 00

  That was taken by John Nethers in the years that she was being abused. And that had been posted to his account. Talia says she remembers that picture being taken. She says, "It was at his first apartment when we moved out. I remember he basically told me to strip naked, put a little mask over my head. There's this mesh sheet or something to make the water look black or flowy or whatever. And then took pictures of me naked in the bathtub. I didn't realize that there was a close-up of my face. It was edited, but you can kind of tell it's me. I was looking at it, and even my mom, she didn't realize it was me until she really sat and looked at it, but... Yeah, I had not realized that that was posted until a couple of months ago, when she was going through his Instagram just to see how many he had of me and the kids on there.

• 52:36Speaker 00

  And I saw it out of the corner of my eye, and I was like, "Wait, that's a picture that I told the detectives about." We FOI'd this case, and because it's still ongoing, there wasn't a lot that we were able to receive. However, we did get some of the body cam footage, and it's bizarre. You have both John Nethers and Brianna Nethers being arrested. John's wife Brianna is crying, she's telling the officers, "I've never been in trouble for everything." As if that's gonna hold some weight when she's been charged with five counts of SA, nine counts of pandering sexually oriented material involving a minor and impaired person, eight counts of illegal use of minor or impaired person in nudity oriented material or performance, two counts of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor, one count of sexual conduct with an animal,

• 53:17Speaker 00

  one count of cruelty to animals, two counts of voyeurism, one count of possessing criminal tools. But here she is sobbing, saying that she's never been in trouble for anything. She's still wailing as they take her into the back of the police cruiser handcuffed, saying, "I've never been in trouble for anything, so I don't know anything." At one point, she keeps saying, "No, no, no," while crying. It's unclear if she's saying that to herself or to the officers. Eventually, she does get booked, and she asks the officer, the one that's driving, about her charges. And he informs her, "I was told that you're being charged with pandering obscenity with a minor." "Is that a felony or a misdemeanor?" "It's a felony." "What the fuck?" "It's a second degree felony." "What the fuck?"

• 54:01Speaker 00

  "What, what, what does that time look like?" "I'm sorry?" "The, the time, or is that up to the judge?" "It's gonna be up to the judge." "Okay, okay, I don't know anything. I've never been in trouble for anything." She mentions this for the twentieth time, as if it is indeed a get out of jail free card. But I guess it works. The officer even asks her if she'd be more comfortable with her hands cuffed in front of her than behind her. And she reassures the officer that if he would do that, she would never do anything to him. She's just so fucking paranoid. And yeah, she might not do anything to the police officer. The police officer who is likely older than her. But she did do something to end up in this position. They have identified three victims so far. Prosecutors are worried and concerned that there are even more victims in this case.

• 54:47Speaker 00

  The focus of the investigation is actually identifying more victims. Prosecutors asking any and all victims to come forward. It is alleged that Brianna would pick victims at malls, the trampoline park, even at the local YMCA. We don't know the extent of what was recorded, how many people were victimized. I think it's not a great sign that the officers are actively looking for more people to come forward, though. The search on their devices, it seems like that would indicate there's a lot more than we know. The case has not gotten a lot of national attention, but locally, on local Facebook groups, people have been sharing their thoughts and theories. One comment reads, "I heard a rumor that she was selling sex through Craigslist after she got banned for doing it on TikTok last year. So when I saw the mugshot, that's what I initially thought she'd been charged with."

• 55:32Speaker 00

  Or maybe like SA charges, because she's so, so pushy about filming together with her husband. Like for her OF page. She was just bragging a couple of months ago about buying a Cadillac in cash, and her husband has thousands of dollars of camera equipment. But I'm so sorry to all the victims and their families. Now, again, this is just a Facebook comment. I don't know if this person actually knows anything or any details about the case, or if any details about the case that they are telling on Facebook are to be true. But it just seems like it's so much worse than anyone knew. One person writes in the Facebook comments, this is the local Lincoln County lockups. "I got a restraining order on him, John Nethers, and I was so dumb for dropping it. He threatened to sell me and everything."

• 56:13Speaker 00

  He was taking photos of Brianna and how she was trying to get with him and how he thought she was always cute. "He messaged me after they got married, telling me not to answer anyone about their marriage if anyone contacted me."

• 56:26Speaker 01

  Wait, what?

• 56:28Speaker 00

  It seems like he was probably involved with Brianna before she was an adult of legal age. But it seems like they got married when she was eighteen. He's exactly twenty years older than her. They say, "There was so much shit, y'all don't understand. Like, he was a psycho. I'm so glad his ass is in jail." It just seems like the investigators are scratching the immediate surface, or at least what they've publicly said out loud. I don't think anyone really knows the full extent of what might have transpired in this case with these people, not even close. I think the prosecutors most know at least that, at least that this is a big rabbit hole. Just based off what we could find online, and then Talia's email. Talia was gracious and trusting enough to get on a phone call with us.

• 57:11Speaker 00

  And she was explaining her side of events, and it's very different from online, because again, he's being charged with like CSAM, animal cruelty, animal abuse, and like the things that Brianna is being charged with. And Talia is telling us, it goes, it spans back way further. It's not even just like, yeah, like over a decade. And then if you count the years of abuse, it's so long. Yeah, and who knows if he could have been victimizing other people before and after Talia. Talia says that she met John when she was six, because John was her mom's new boyfriend. John actually knew Talia's mom from high school, so it's not like Talia's mom just met this random guy and was like, "Oh,

• 57:52Speaker 00

  you're gonna move in with me and my daughter, right? And I'm a single, because she's a single mom, right? You're gonna move in with me and my daughter." It's, they had this long-forming friendship, it appears. They did reconnect later in life, and that's when they start seriously dating, when Talia is around six. He moves in, and it is a really toxic relationship. They argue a lot, Talia's mom and John. The fights between Talia's mom and John were never physical, but because he's a photographer, Talia says, "He would go out and take these crazy pictures of women all the time, and my mom would just be upset with it and uncomfortable. And he would say, "It doesn't mean that he likes them, it's just his job." And then he would go and accuse her of cheating on him, which she never was, but he was very adamant that she was always cheating on him,

• 58:36Speaker 00

  or that she was going out and doing crazy stuff, and she was just like a stay-at-home mom that never really ever went out. He would just gaslight her, guilt trip her. He would send her whole paragraph-long emails about how terrible of a mom that she is, and how he believes she's cheating even though she's not. It was just really toxic. Talia is six, and her biological father is not in her life, and then Talia's mother ends up having three children with John. And so I think that just adds more to this case, because it's, it is very difficult. It was never physical. There was no indication that John was ever doing anything to Talia, to Talia's mom. So it's just one of those very toxic marriages, but she also has these three children with him, making it even more difficult to get out.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Are they in Talia's life too?

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Yes, yeah, they're all really close. Yes. And I don't want to speak on behalf of them, obviously, but it just seems like from what we could gather from our conversations with Talia, it seems like Talia and her siblings are really like Talia's mom's kids. You know, like that's, that's their parental figure, and they are, they're very tight-knit family, it appears. Yeah. Even when John did nothing to Talia, that was weird or questionable at the time. Her first impression of John, she just didn't really like him. I mean, she didn't really know why. She just thought maybe it was like having a man in the house out of nowhere was just weird. It just always felt like a stranger living in their house. But it's just a feeling, because everything was normal, at least in the beginning.

• 1:00:08Speaker 00

  It, it's not until Talia's mom gets pregnant with their first child, that's when the abuse started. Talia says, "It started when I would be getting ready for school in the morning. He would be doing my hair. So he would sit on the couch, and I would sit on the floor in front of him. He would brush my hair and put all these hair clips and hair ties um, like on the couch in between his legs. And he would be naked."

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  She's facing away from him while he's doing her hair. But he would force her to grab the hair clip and the hair tie. And she says, "When I would turn around, he would be naked, and I would have to grab the hair tie and the, the hair clips. And over time, they would inch closer to his private parts." So it just started with a lot of these smaller things where it started progressing. She says, "My mom would go to work and he would stay home, and it would be these little things, like he would come in my room and lay down with me and try to cuddle. And he would tell her, eventually, um, this is like years of abuse, he would tell her repeatedly, "If not you, it's going to be your siblings."

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  In our interview, Talia says, "I was never gonna let that happen. So I kind of put myself in the way of that." And that is where I leave you with the first half of this episode. In the second half, we're going to dive deep into our conversation with Talia, and what's going to happen now with the legal case and the charges, but let me know your thoughts. Please stay safe, and I will see you in the next one. Bye.

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