'Charmed by the Energy': Cornell Student Justifies Doing Ketamine Off a Woman’s Body

Senior Night at a high school football game is a very big deal. It’s kind of like the Oscars and a State of the Union coming together for one night. There are tears, balloon arches, and slow-motion football videos, with a coach trying his best to sound like Morgan Freeman. But at Timberline High School in Boise, Idaho, the spotlight has shifted from football to protests, police involvement, and student walkouts. Homecoming festivities, including the game, were canceled after a Snapchat group chat allegedly involving football players went viral. The messages allegedly discussed how they were going to r*pe and kill a female student. “Let’s make her life hell.” “Hell yeah.” Then came a chilling reference: “You think Cornell was bad? Just wait for us.” This is part 2 of the Cornell 7 case. Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com

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  In a separate room in the fraternity house that night, like I said, there are three people. Scott Norris, Scott Kretschmer, and Diego Sarabia. Diego, at one point, just like leaves the two Scots. Scott K's vape dies, he wants to borrow someone else's. And Scott K apparently knows that Jonathan, in the alumni room, has got a vape. So he's like, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna check it out. Scott K is like, hey, Scott Norris, you wanna come check it out with me? And also, remember that Snapchat message that we saw? And like, also, Diego was kind of drunk and he left abruptly. So like, we should check up on him, because where did he go?

• 2:01Speaker 02

  I love how the reason for them of going is, number one, get a vape pen. Number two, check out their friends. Number three, by the way, there's a text, uh, there's a Snapchat.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  It's like a afterthought.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a, it's a, yeah, let's see what that is all about.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  About the whole Snapchat, you know, who I believe to be Scott Norris says, "We saw that text and we were somewhat concerned, but thought it could just be crude humor." In a later follow-up, who I believe to be Scott Norris says, "I thought at that point, it was just kind of an absurd joke. No one really thought I was being serious." Like, when we went in there, I thought at the time, like, thinking it was kind of a joke, an attention-seeking joke, kind of like, to get people to come to the alumni room. And my concerns that it wasn't kind of alleviated, because people are just hanging out in there. So, on his way to the alumni room, he's having a lot of thoughts, I guess, right? I don't know how big this fraternity house is, but he's on a fucking journey and he's just thinking, "Ooh, maybe it's a joke, maybe it's not a joke, maybe it is a joke. It's kind of weird, let's go check it out, my friend's in there, vape pen." Oh, but also, like, maybe it's not a joke. Then that's very scary if it's not a joke.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  But then he opens the door and he's like, oh, everyone seems to be just hanging out. So, good thing, I feel better about this. Like, that's the vibe it gives.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  So he's saying, like, there is a part of his brain thinking something really bad is going on in there?

• 3:09Speaker 01

  It's kind of like, ooh, I don't know, yeah.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  My concern is, I'm worried, but he also felt like it could be something bad, right? Like, that part.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  I think they get tripped up. I, this is my opinion, this is my opinion. I think they get tripped up, because they're like, "We wanted to check up on Diego, our friend, because we were worried about him." Why are you worried about him, if it's just a joke? So then it's like, well, then a part of me is like, I don't think it's, that's the vibe I get.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  What is he worried about?

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  It's like, everything is like, there, there's so many ways of

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  explaining a situation that we all are understanding what all, everyone's going there, trying to do.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  And in the panel decision in the John Doe lawsuit, it seems to hint at the fact that the panel acknowledges that the two Scots don't typically hang out in the alumni room. So like I said, they're further removed from the group of people, the, the group of the seven. It seems like their link is Diego in this Snapchat group. But he emphasizes later, "We seriously, I'll emphasize, seriously, did not think there was anything going on. We thought it was a joke." So then one of the Scots, I think it's Scott Norris, but I could be wrong, is asked by the panel, "Okay, well, you think it's a joke, but like, how do you interpret the words 'free pussy'?" And he responds, "It's just that, there's a free girl in the room." But again, no one took that literally as meaning there's a free girl in the room. It's just that, there's a free girl in the room.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  But again, no one took that literally as meaning there's a free girl in the room.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  This is crazy.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  And this investigation spans months, and they couldn't even think of a better, a better statement than that. It stated that perhaps Scott Norris and Scott K go to investigate. And, um, Scott Norris says, "And also, it sounds kind of silly, but Scott K's vape had died and he knew Jonathan Newell had a vape in there." So that's just another reason, right? That they're going to the alumni room. And they were probably in there for maybe five minutes. And while they were in there, they say that Jane Doe was laughing and talking with the others. She did not seem incapacitated. She, they did not observe any drug usage from Jane or anybody else. Nobody was doing cocaine or ketamine off of Jane or whatever, nothing. Scott K also has a similar story. And he says, yes, it was because of his vape. He says, "I was hitting a nicotine vape at that point and I was almost dead." And this is where, I will say, it gets very confusing.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  So, when they opened that Snapchat message, when I was interpreting these snippets, and obviously, these are snippets, so I don't have the full story, but at some point, I was under the understanding that the two Scots are in the room, Diego leaves, and then they open the Snapchat together and they're like, oh, what happened, right? But then later, one of them was like, I was in the foyer area when I opened it, and then I went to go up to the room where Scott K was. So it, I was getting confused. Now, I don't know if that's the fault of there only being snippets in the John Doe lawsuit, or if it's the fault of my reading comprehension, though I would hope that it's not, or if it's just unclear.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  What is exactly, would be the difference?

• 5:59Speaker 01

  The difference would be that everyone's pointing out small discrepancies in Jane Doe's story, but there are also parts of these random snippets of the Title IX investigation, where I go, wait, I feel like that's not what was said earlier.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  You just feel like there's inconsistency with the account.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  Like, did you see this in the beginning, or did you see it later in the room?

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Yes. Now, to everybody's defense, including Jane Doe and the seven accused, just because there are discrepancies does not mean that anyone was committing a crime. I mean, everybody was drunk and high at some point in the night, so it could just be that. But I was just noticing, if everyone's pointing out Jane Doe's small inconsistencies, there are other inconsistencies out there.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  What have they pointed out in Jane Doe's inconsistency so far? Or is it later?

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Uh, the biggest one has to do with the fact that in these reports, the six-page report, the transcripts, and in earlier statements, even in much of the Title IX investigation, it seems that Jane Doe reports that the very first sexual encounter with Matthew and Jonathan, she was pretty okay with it. Then her lawsuit in 2026 states that that was an instance of rape.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  Scott K says, "He's hitting his nicotine vape at that point and it's almost dead." Then Scott Norris gets there and they talk for about two minutes. Diego leaves the room, they don't know why. So now it's just two Scots and a dead vape. After about ten or fifteen minutes with Diego still being gone, I checked my phone in the actives group, and there was a text message that said "free pussy" and alumni. I had no idea what that text meant. I was kind of befuddled. These are the words, I was kind of befuddled. So me and Scott talked about it, and the person that sent the message, he lived in that room. Jonathan lives in the alumni room. And I knew he had a vape.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  This is when they connect Jonathan has a vape. It's after they see the text message, after they see the Snapchat. Jonathan apparently has other things in that room, okay? But no, you're like, I need the vape. And he says, "And my vape had just died." And we also speculated that maybe this is where redacted, I think Diego, had just got up and left. And us not knowing the nature of if this was a joke or what was going on in the alumni room, me and Scott Norris decided to go into that room. When asked about his specific motivations of going into the alumni room, he says, "By no means were we going there to get free pussy. That was not our intention at all. We were just checking out to see if everything was okay." They get to the alumni room, and it's reported that they see Jane in bed with people underneath the covers. And they, they say, "We didn't even see her nude."

• 8:17Speaker 01

  That she was just engaging in conversations, everybody was talking coherently, that Jane at some point laughed, because the two Scots had the same first name, but they were probably in there for like, five minutes. They're pushed, the two Scots are pushed about this even more, because, again, like I said, some of the fraternity brothers, they have a reason to be in there, because they live in there, or they have friends in there. The two Scots are a little bit more removed and this vape excuse is bizarre. So they're pushed, and one of them says, "The text could have meant anything. There was a lot of things going on through my head. I didn't know if there was a lot of girls in there or what was going on." But again, "free pussy" just seems like someone could be in danger, could have been in danger, it's just free. What does free mean? Again, I don't know. That's why it could have meant anything." They elaborate, "Because if someone's having sex with someone in the room,

• 9:02Speaker 01

  they're not gonna send that text out. So again, I just didn't know what was really happening in the room. I just didn't think it was real." Then Scott K is asked, "Well, then why did you respond in the Snapchat group?" Because he responds, "The alumni shit is not a bit. Firsthand POV, not a bit." So you're saying, you went in there, you're like, "Free pussy? This could be dangerous." You went in there, vape, Diego, free pussy, oh no, do I need to save someone? And then you're like, no, I don't need to save anyone, because everyone's having a good time. Well, you text, "The alumni shit is not a bit. Firsthand POV, not a bit."

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Exactly, that's contradicting.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. And he's like, you know, it's crazy, it's crazy. But I sent that text message before I went into the alumni room. So I'm outside the alumni room and people are chitter-chattering about what's happening inside. And like, I guess, the indicate, like, the insinuation is like, oh, people are saying some crazy things, like, oh my god, they're like, having an orgy in there. And he got so excited, he texted back into the Snapchat group. But he's like, "That was before I went into the alumni room." He says, quote, "I found out from someone passing by as I was walking into the alumni room that there was a girl in there." So, I was just saying, like, I mean, firsthand from somebody else that was, you know, there was a girl in that room and it's not a joke.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Firsthand from somebody else.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Again, these are Cornell students, I don't know how the fuck they got in. But again, he says, "It was immature and dumb, kind of just following along with what everybody else was saying in there. I shouldn't have said it, and it was immature and a stupid message, for sure." However, one thing I will note is that the two Scots, their, their involvement in all of this is confusing compared to the others.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Jane Doe in multiple reports says that the two Scots were more like voyeurs in the situation.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  So they were not maybe necessarily involved in a lot of the acts. At some point, it seemed like it was alleged that the two Scots had taken ketamine off of Jane Doe's body. However, one of them submitted a hair follicle test that came back negative for ketamine, and this was just like a month after. And ketamine usually stays in the hair quite a bit. So there's a lot of debate. And in other reports, Jane Doe states that the two Scots, they were comforting her to some degree because she was trying to get up and she was very dizzy and nauseous. And they were just telling her, like, take all the time you need. So the Scots' involvement, I guess, is a little more unclear for netizens. Should they have gone to the alumni room? No. And I think that's what the panel is saying.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  But the panel did not find the two Scots guilty by the panel standard of sexual assault. So they found the two Scots guilty of sexual exploitation, meaning they walked into the alumni room wanting to see someone naked who probably would not consent to being seen naked by them, because they don't even hang out in the alumni room. So you went out of your way to go to the alumni room. So they didn't believe the whole vape Diego and like, let me just check it out excuse. And the Scots, um, they don't like the panel decision. You know, they're like, no, we literally did nothing wrong. Then Jillio walks back in, according to Jane Doe. Okay, so Jillio, he's the one that was in the room making out with Jane Doe, according to Jane Doe, and engaged in the sexual

• 12:14Speaker 01

  activity with Jane Doe and Jonathan. Jillio apparently walks back in and is like, we're shutting down whatever the fuck this is. And Jane Doe's statement reflects a lot of netizen confusion. Her report that lands on the DA's desk, it reads, I found this strange because Jillio was acting as if he hadn't been in the room with me earlier that night. I think I even said something along the lines of like, wait, didn't this guy just fuck me? When Jillio and redacted said they were shutting it down, the group of men all began to scatter. I attempted to get up off the bed but became very dizzy due to my pots, as well as the fact that I had consumed the extra bump of ketamine. I remember one of the, I believe, the Scots had his hand on my back and he encouraged me to stay seated for as long as I needed to. He even told the other men to give me a second so that I could gather

• 12:55Speaker 01

  myself. Eventually, I was able to stand up from the bed and someone was able to get my dress and bring it to me. I then put my dress on, but I had to sit down again due to how dizzy I was. At this point, she says that she's ushered upstairs to the FOFIS by Matthew and Winston Lee.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  So this is when Winston Lee finally showed up.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Well, he's in the alumni room. He's accused of doing ketamine off of Jane Doe's body.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  Oh, so he came in way, much earlier. He's just been around. Okay.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  So he's been around and now he is allegedly taking Jane Doe upstairs with Matthew. And this is who I believe to be Winston Lee in the redacted Title IX snippets of the John Doe lawsuit. And most of the context is pulled from the fact that he's upstairs in the FOFIS. So Winston is very, like, he has distinct markers that I think indicate it's Winston, even though his name is redacted, because he's the only other party in the FOFIS. Matthew was not interviewed by Title IX.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  Ah, so this is this person's account upstairs.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  Yes. So it seems to me, again, I can't say with certainty because it's redacted, but it seems to me to be Winston. Winston says that he met Jane Doe a week before the incident. They had some casual conversations, but Winston wasn't really like bonding with Jane Doe. So it seems like Jane Doe had come to Kai Fi a week prior. Winston meets her. He's not really engaged. He said that he was on his phone playing poker most of the time. The night in question, though, when he gets to the alumni room, he says this is not odd for him. The alumni room is a social room of his pledge class. So these are like his pledge classmates, which usually in a fraternity, you're the closest to your pledge class. These are the people that you went through initiation and hazing with typically. So he says, you know, this is our pledge class. It's the social room and I go at least like once a day in that

• 14:35Speaker 01

  room. So he walks into the alumni room again on October 19th. He recalls three people under the sheets in one of the beds and he walks in. So this seems to be Jane, Matthew and Jonathan. So after Jillio leaves, it's Winston, I believe to be Winston. Now, he's talking to some of the other people in the room. And while everyone's talking, he says he remembers Jane Doe took off the covers and I think at one point she was flexing.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Right. So this is like when she maybe is upset at Diego.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  I love how, you know, these accounts are, it could be a similar incident, but the focal point is always different from everybody's POV. For his POV, it's just like, oh yeah, she's out naked and posing.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. She just like took off the covers.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no context. There's no why. It's just, see, that's, that's what happened.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Like a bodybuilder, right?

• 15:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 18:03Speaker 01

  He later says in a different interview that when Jane Doe did this, by default, the covers fell off, right? And that is when he also discovered that Jonathan was unclothed as well. So he seems, it seems like maybe Winston is expressing shock that not only is Jane unclothed, but whoa, like now I'm looking at this other guy that's on, like, what's happening? What's going on under the covers? He's like, I wasn't expecting to see that. That's the vibe. In a later interview, he says that an alarm bell rang in his head when he first realized Jane Doe was nude, but quote, "It kind of quickly dissipated when she spoke and she seemed like she was having fun." He says that he recalls Jane Doe joking about an attempted threesome that failed. And then they start doing the ketamine off of Jane Doe's body. And maybe Winston says, and I asked her, Jane, is this okay?

• 18:48Speaker 01

  And to which she said that I could take ketamine off of her body. So given that I had consent, he says he took the ketamine that was laid out for him around Jane Doe's stomach, around her belly button area. And quote, "While I was taking the ketamine off of Jane Doe's body, she was actually pulling down my pants, like tugging down my pants and kind of like in a sexual way. I kind of flinched and I kind of took a step back because I didn't want to engage in anything like sex." But he says that after he snorts the ketamine off of Jane Doe's body, he starts feeling the effects. And again, I think this is Winston. I don't think it's Diego. I think it's Winston, right? But I remember talking to them. Then the ketamine started to hit harder, maybe like five, seven minutes later. And I decided to

• 19:29Speaker 01

  lay down on the bed where Jane Doe was sitting on. And I just lied there for like 30 minutes unconscious. Remember how the Scots walk in? No one said they saw a dude that's unconscious. Everybody's talking. Everybody's having a good time. Everybody's coherent. But now suddenly we got a man that's unconscious. Okay?

• 19:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  He goes on to elaborate. When I was unconscious, I remember people coming and going into the alumni room, but I did not know who they were. And then when I woke up, everyone had left the alumni room. How do you know that if you're unconscious? Unconscious has a pretty firm definition. I'm sorry, like, are you guys not students at Cornell University? One of the most prestigious, oldest institutions of high academia like? It's so odd. I guess he ends up clarifying to the panel, the Title IX panel. When I said I was unconscious in the alumni room, what I was trying to say is that I was out of it. I was looking at the ceiling the entire time, closing my eyes and going into a lapse of just was sleeping, I guess, and waking up and blinking and then closing my eyes again. I was very much concerned more about my sense of being in my own consciousness.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Which seems to be a very lengthy way to describe being fucking conscious to some degree, right? Rather than unconscious. I mean, this one is really putting his Ivy League education to fucking use. I'm not saying that his version of events isn't true. And it honestly could be true that that is what he felt he experienced because that is the effect of ketamine. A lot of nutizens are arguing. So it does sound on par with ketamine usage of like, you're there, but you're not really there. Like you can see people coming and going, but you're kind of

• 21:04Speaker 02

  Out of it.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you're not unconscious. I mean, that's a very limited definition. It's not a vague definition by any means, but it's a disorienting experience. Sure. But one thing that is odd is nobody reports seeing a guy that's unconscious or semi-conscious or semi-unconscious. Who knows? One of them are even asked because the panel is like, okay, well now, now we know someone's unconscious. Let's go ask everybody else. What'd you guys do about the unconscious guy?

• 21:31Speaker 02

  No way.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. And one of the Scots responds, no. If when I walked in, someone was sleeping, I would have been like, is he okay? Or that kind of thing. So I know that no one was sleeping. Everyone was pretty lively and awake.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Oh, so who's lying?

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Exactly. I mean, I guess you could argue that perhaps timelines are not matching up, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  I see.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  Maybe he awoke and was suddenly just so full of energy. Another one of the accused stated that everyone was awake the whole time. So, kind of weird. Yeah. So then the panel goes back to this individual who I believe to be Winston, but I could be wrong. Just judging by the timeline, seems like it's Winston, but again, and they ask, well, did you, like, were you engaging with other people when you were unconscious, not unconscious, laying there for thirty minutes? What were you doing? And they respond, I was very much concerned more about my sense of being in my own consciousness. It could be possible, but I would doubt it. Perhaps I was? I'm not completely sure.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  He explains why he even participated in snorting ketamine off of Jane Doe. And he goes on to explain, I think when I first entered the alumni room, I was first of all greeted by three people who seemed to be having a lot of fun and who seemed not to mind the fact that ketamine was active in that room. But also I feel maybe I was charmed by their energy and the fact that they were having fun. And I wanted to have fun as well. Which is a very strange description. Even in my most dramatic of days where I believed I was a character in Vampire Diaries, just journaling away. I have never uttered the words, written down the words, I was charmed by the energy. If someone wrote this in a book, book talk would flame them because it's so,

• 23:18Speaker 01

  what are you even talking about right now? What are you saying? I was charmed by the energy. The energy being a fraternity room and atmosphere? It's so far removed from the word usage. It doesn't even remotely register in my brain. If I just read that, I would never imagine it's a fraternity room.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Like maybe a pep rally. I don't even know, but strange. But that's why they did the ketamine. And they say, you know, in hindsight, the act of consuming substance off of someone's body is ludicrous in hindsight. Now this next statement, it's kind of hard to decipher whether it's Winston or Diego. It is redacted, but this is talking about doing ketamine off of Jane's body. Another one of the accused states in the Title IX panel. When I was first uncomfortable, I kind of felt overridden by how positive everyone was in the room. Maybe I'm the one that's being weird if everyone around me is looking so joyous and happy to be talking to one another.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  And yeah, eventually after redacted, did the action of ketamine off of her body. He said something to the effect of, I should do it as well. And since being in this positive atmosphere, I eventually asked as well.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Joyous, happy, positive, charmed.

• 24:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  What's happening?

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  Like, I think it would have been better if they were just like, hey, I was getting fucked up like a frat bro.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Cause that's what I do. Cause I'm a brainless frat bro. And everyone would say that actually makes a little more sense.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  This individual becomes more conscious around three fifteen AM where he walks to the Pence, the president's room. Which this is why I think this is Winston Lee's statement, right? Cause this is upstairs now. So, and Matthew was not interviewed by the panel. Where they say that they go into the president's room and they see the president, which is Erasio Petito. And he is named in Jane Doe's lawsuit. They also see Erasio Petito's date and Matthew, Jane Doe and Winston. They're all in the president's room now. Now, I will-

• 25:18Speaker 02

  President has a date in there too?

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like a girlfriend date? I don't know, right? Probably not a girlfriend. I don't know if these guys have girlfriends. I don't know. But this girl was later interviewed by the panel. And she said that Jane Doe seemed not disoriented. She did not seem incapacitated.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  This individual claims that they were all up there for an hour, having lively, nice conversations in the president's room. And Jane specifically mentions something along the lines of, quote, it's weird, but I don't think I can feel the effects of ketamine. Who I believe to be Winston says his reaction was just surprised. He says, for me, I was like, oh, so you're taking ketamine in the alumni room? I was shocked. So he's saying like, he didn't see Jane do ketamine all night. So he's like, oh, I didn't even know you were, you did ketamine? It seems to be Winston because the previous week, there was conversations about ketamine. When they met and he seems to be one of the people that met her the previous, anyway. He states that there were people outside the president's room, just lingering, listening and on the conversations.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Because rumors had already started coming out that, quote, some weird sexual activities were happening in the alumni room. But later he adds, I did not know there were rumors going around that night. He's like, I didn't know there were rumors.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Which is kind of weird because if this is Winston, he did respond in the Snapchat group. So if there were rumors going around that night, it would be pretty easy in his mind to piece two and two together of what the rumors were and why they were starting and why people are lingering outside the room. But he's just describing that people are lurking. He doesn't know why. People are lurking outside the president's room and this individual who may be Winston. I think it's Winston, but again, right? They're just saying that they know people are lurking because, quote, you could hear the whispers and a little fidgeting of them walking. And Jane was telling us about it and we were like, yeah, we should probably go somewhere that's more private, right? So we went to the room that's actually right next to Matthew's room, which is called the FOFIS.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Okay, this is, I can tell you're confused. President's room is upstairs. There's a FOFIS connected. It's like a closet office. Matthew also has a room upstairs. Matthew Ingalls, the friend that invited her to the fraternity house. He does not live in the alumni room.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  So this FOFIS is like in between the president's room and Matthew's room, somewhere on the third floor.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  And they want to go there because I believe Jane told us that she was uncomfortable with these random people in the other corner of the house, listening to our conversations. And again, there's mentions that rumors are circulating, but everyone seems confused why there would be rumors. Even though there's some weird Snapchat messages being sent into the fifty-seven person group Snapchat. And most of these individuals are in the fucking fraternity house. But this individual is like, I mean, I don't know what rumors are going around. It seems like Jane knew about the rumors. Why would Jane know about the rumors? She's not in that Snapchat group, but it's just weird. Does that make sense? It's just weird.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:20Speaker 01

  So they're like, we had to move to the FOFIS because Jane is like, I want to go somewhere private. Because all these people are lurking and they're listening to our conversations. And I think at this point, rumors were already circulating about something going on. It's just, everything is weird.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's really odd. What, what do you mean?

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Very strange, right? So, and again, if this Snapchat group was out of the question and maybe Jane is sitting there like, oh, I think people are talking about me and everything that's happened in the alumni room because people saw or people witnessed or people heard. Then that must mean it was loud enough that more people should have been concerned. Like, it's just weird. The whole thing is just puzzling. They go into the FOFIS. And Jane Doe, when she's confronted with this information, she tells Title IX panel, she's like, I don't know what any of this is. She's like, I went upstairs with Matthew and Winston. I was in the president's room for like two seconds and then I was taken into a FOFIS. Like, what do you mean I was having a conversation with one of the accused saying, I don't even feel the ketamine?

• 29:20Speaker 01

  She's like, this never freaking happened. She says the ketamine made her feel like, quote, it made my eyes feel like they were spinning in opposite directions. I remember feeling extremely high and trying to close my eyes to stop them from spinning. She also says, if I had gone to the president's room, like, I wish I was there, not the FOFIS. Because I would have just fallen asleep on his couch and called it a day. I was so tired. But instead she says that she's taken into the FOFIS and there, Matthew and Winston are sitting in front of the door so that she can't leave. She feels like there's no escape. It's a small claustrophobic room. It's like a tiny closet office with a desk and some chairs and she's just sitting on the ground. And she says, I don't remember how it started, but she says that she was given some ketamine.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  She doesn't really have a recollection of how she took the ketamine, but she thinks it was lined up on a chair. Cause she recalls some sort of hard surface of her snorting the ketamine. And she says she has no recollection of how the threesome in the FOFIS even started. She says, I remember being totally disgusted at the situation. I felt very tired and intoxicated. I would say that my level of overall intoxication was an eight out of 10 of intoxicated. I would say that it was the most intoxicated that I've ever been in my life. I felt like I was unable to form any decisions because of how intoxicated I was. Meanwhile, who I believe to be Winston from the John Doe lawsuit and little snippets of the Title IX panel. He says that they were in the FOFIS for like an hour and a half, just conversing, having deep conversations, listening to music.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  He says the conversations were really deep, but he doesn't remember a lot of the deep conversations. But he remembers Jane holding eye contact with who I believe to be Matthew and looking at him and he states that he remembers thinking, oh, wow, this girl like really likes Matthew.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Oh, that's it? He's didn't, uh, he's saying there's nothing else that happened?

• 31:06Speaker 01

  He says that there was no ketamine in the FOFIS, but they eventually do have sexual interactions. But it's like after an hour and a half of talking, he says, this is, we were talking in the president's room. Then we came into the FOFIS and everyone's chit chatting and I thought that she just really liked Matthew. And because everyone's talking so much, I just assumed like all of us were pretty sober at this point. So if this is Winston, the story would be they go into the president's room. Jane Doe is like, I don't feel ketamine. Winston's like, you're on ketamine? I didn't even see you do ketamine. Then they go into the FOFIS and everyone's talking for an hour and a half. And so he's like, oh, like everyone's sobering up. It's getting really late or really early in the morning. Everyone's chill.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  And then all of a sudden, it seems Matthew brings up the topic of redemption. Because remember the very first threesome that he asked for, he could not perform because he was, yeah. And again, who I believe to be Winston claims to Title IX. But something I specifically remember, Matthew had asked Jane if we could have a threesome. And I had specifically stated, I said, Jane, by the way, if you're uncomfortable and you don't want to do this, that's perfectly okay. We can just call it a night, which is oddly specific. But the statement continues, he says, you know, I think we were all feeling a little bit tired at that time. I didn't know if she wanted to have another sexual activity so close to the prior failed threesome. I myself was reluctant to have a threesome, but

• 32:35Speaker 01

  I guess shit just happens, right? Even if you're reluctant. He's who I believe to be Winston says, I asked Jane if I could have oral sex. When she was giving me oral sex, I was sitting on the chair. I struggled to get an erection. And I remember her telling me specifically not to be embarrassed and that this was perfectly fine and no one would judge me. And she gave me oral sex for about two minutes. He says that then she turned and gave the other party, I believe Matthew, oral sex. And then tried to swap back in. Matthew is now having penetrative sex. Quote, after that, Matthew inserted his penis into Jane Doe's vagina and Jane Doe gave me oral sex. He says that his interaction with Jane Doe at that point lasted about two to three minutes.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  So I don't know why it stops. I don't know. He doesn't, at least from the snippets I read, it doesn't seem he gives a reaction of, was it, I don't know, right? But when he's asked about the sexual activity continuing for the other parties. Cause the panel is like, okay, well, if it's not for you in two to three minutes, what about Jane Doe and who I believe to be Matthew? Like what happened to that? He responds, I'm sorry, but from that night, I remember things about what happened with me. So I don't remember.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Wow.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  Whatever that means. It's not even like a, I don't remember. It's just like, hey, so I have very selective memory. And if I was not involved in the experience, I don't fucking remember.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Wow, that's so interesting. Wow.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. He denies ketamine being used in the FOFIS. He says, no, no, there was no drugs. There was no alcohol in the FOFIS.

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• 38:27Speaker 01

  Now, there are lots of gaps and omissions in this individual's statements. Who again, I believe to be Winston, but I could be entirely wrong. I could literally be a bozo trying to decipher this lawsuit, right? Go decipher it yourself. But when the panel asks him about it, he responds, there are a lot of, I believe, gaps in my memory that I recollected. And after receiving a notice of the formal complaint charges, I was trying to rationalize in my head how it was false. And providing an explanation that I figured out and I thought was reasonable as to why those things were false. I'm sorry, what are we saying? He continues, for that reason, I was feeling very defensive about some of the accusations that were being pointed at me because of that.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  I think I left a lot of parts that I remembered from that night out that didn't have to do with the things that I was directly being accused of. I put myself in a very defensive position.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  Obviously there are differences between his story and Jane Doe's story.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  She also says that they kept asking for a threesome and she just kept saying no and no in the sense of she kept giving the excuse that she was tired. She said that I also felt that my eyes, it felt like one was going in one direction and the other one was going in another direction. She claims that Winston and Matthew were in front of the door, the only exit to the fophus. And she further elaborates that she was given more ketamine. She says, I don't know how much they poured. I don't know where I took it from. I don't know where it came from or how it got in my system. I'm pretty sure it was that kind of final bump that made my eyes do the weird eye jerking thing. Which again, a lot of ketamine users say is on par with heavy ketamine usage.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  So they're saying, we don't, it's unclear how many times she did ketamine. It seems like the, everyone, even the seven accused seemed to agree that maybe it was one time, right? But a lot of ketamine users are like, mm, the amount to have your eyes like jerk around, they said, that's a very prominent feeling and you're usually deep in like a K-hole. That is not, ooh, I took a little ketamine. That is, you have been doing ketamine all night. I mean, of course, everybody's tolerance is different, but they're just saying, this is not, this is not a once type of thing. And she's very honest about things that she doesn't remember, which I think a lot of netizens believe add to her credibility. She says, I just remember ketamine was done because I had my nose on something.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  It's kind of like, I want to say my nose was on a table, but it could been that my nose was actually on a chair. That's all I remember from that. I don't know, it's just been a long time at that point. Uh, there's a lot of time that elapsed in the fophus or whatever that I have no memory of whatsoever. It's maybe the most fucked up I've been ever in my life. I remember saying a lot of things, but I don't know what I was saying. I was apparently just talking and talking. My eyes were closed and my mouth was running and I felt like my eyes were going in different directions. I said I talked a lot because I felt like I talked a lot, but it could be that I didn't talk at all. But there were a lot of moments where there was talk, because I remember just like sitting

• 41:34Speaker 01

  there and was kind of staring at the wall and talking like this over and over, maybe trying to distract from the fact that I thought my eyeballs were going like a chameleon, like just, I just remember being debilitating, the feeling, I, I couldn't have communicated my middle name, I don't think. Well, actually, I probably could have said my middle name, but any sort of thought about my perception of the world was not good, like not possible. Also, when Matthew was asking me about having sex again, while in the office space, I told him that I was tired and I believe said, I said something along the lines of like, I don't have it in me. She says she doesn't even know how the threesome started. And she has a different story about the erection. She says, I remember redacted asking me to give him oral sex and he said he couldn't get erect.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  I told him that if he couldn't get himself erect, then I wouldn't be able to. Yeah. She says, I don't remember how that threesome started, but I do remember that both redacted and redacted, but probably Matthew and Winston were asking me to have sex so many times that I finally gave in. To me, that felt like coercion. Also, I felt like due to my intoxication, they should have known how intoxicated I was based on how I was slurring my words. Jane Doe says the ketamine left her with a quote vague consciousness. She says, it's like you look like an operating human being. You don't look dead or asleep necessarily. So it's like the lights are on, but nobody's home. Your brain is not functioning at its proper level. I know it sounds super weird to say, I know it happened, but I don't remember it.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  She says that at some point, someone came into the fophus and asked, y'all are still going? To which she responded, yeah, unfortunately, in a quote sad, not enthusiastic tone. Now, this person is also a very contentious individual. One of the, it seems maybe Winston is asked about like, did someone stop by? And they're like, no, nobody stopped by. And then later it's changed to like, oh yes, someone did stop by, slipped my mind and he looked like he was freshly showered in PJs. Now, it seems, and I cannot tell you this with certainty, it seems like this individual that stopped by was Jonathan, based off of little snippets that I got from all over the John Doe lawsuit that is public information. And I've deciphered in my mind that it's Jonathan, based off of the fact that someone

• 43:48Speaker 01

  else said it was Jonathan and like, the way that it was redacted made it seem like it was Jonathan. It could not be Jonathan. It could be Jonathan. But if it is Jonathan or one of the seven accused, it's being used perhaps as like an argument of, well, how fucked up were they? Because a lot of the seven accused seem like either they're saying, I had nothing to do with anything, or I was so fucked up too. Like we were all fucked up. But how can you be that fucked up if you're showering and getting in PJs and then you're like, hey, are you guys still going at it?

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  But again, we don't know if this is Jonathan. She later describes the experience as, I couldn't get much and of anything out. I just kind of felt trapped with Winston and Matthew. They're sitting in front of the door, in front of the exit. I mean, things are still being asked of me sexually. Ketamine is still being given to me during this point in time. It was just, I don't think I felt like I could get out. I didn't want to, but I felt like I had to. She eventually gets brought into a different room to fall asleep, Matthew's room. And she says, at some point while she's in Matthew's room, quote, at one point, a group of guys knocked on the door and they asked if they could snort cocaine out of my anus. But redacted told them to go away and they did. She says that she wakes up around 10 a.m. on Sunday, which like, how did they know she

• 45:08Speaker 01

  was in Matthew's room? Because that's not the alumni room. I'm just saying, if this is true, it's very suspicious and weird to me. But anyway, she says that she wakes up around 10 a.m. on Sunday, October 20th. She says, shortly after I woke up, uh, redacted was hovering over me with both of his arms on either side of me. So this is Matthew's room, but again, because it's redacted, I can't say with certainty it's Matthew. It could be anyone. Like, we don't know if people locked their doors. We don't know if anyone else came in later. I asked him what he was doing and he said he was going to put his penis in my mouth. I replied by saying no in a mean way to him and at that point, he got away from me. Shortly after, she is driven back to her sorority house where she passes out. And this is not even the point that netizens are fighting about.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  What's crazy is October 19th and October 20th isn't the thing that netizens are so divided on. It's everything that happens after in text messages and interactions between Jane Doe and the Cornell seven, which will be in the next part. There's so many text messages that have been released. There are so many different narratives that have been spinning around. New text messages from Jane Doe's roommate that have been released. It's just been getting messier day by day. I don't even think that this is slowing down anytime soon. Cornell has just recently suspended all fraternity and sorority parties. Yeah, it's not slowing down. It's not becoming yesterday's news anytime soon. What are your thoughts? Let me know in the comments. Stay safe and I will see you in the next one.

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