Lindsey Clancy Mistrial, August Jobs Report & J.D. Vance Defends Tucker | PBD Podcast #852

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team break down Apple’s new era after Tim Cook steps down as CEO, the Lindsay Clancy trial ending in a stunning mistrial, and Lululemon founder Chip Wilson’s billionaire divorce. Plus, Iran escalates, Florida’s housing market tumbles, AI faces a major backlash, and Andrew Tate is hit with a new indictment. 🧢 GET THE CHARLIE KIRK HAT: https://bit.ly/4x8hMn9 🎟️ BUY YOUR VAULT CONFERENCE 2027 TICKETS: https://bit.ly/4do6rs6 🎥 PURCHASE THE VAULT CONFERENCE 2026 RECORDING: https://bit.ly/4iPHrNX 👞 GET THE FLB1s: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT https://www.youtube.com/@VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy https://www.youtube.com/@ValuetainmentComedy ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of two boys and two girls. He currently resides in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

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  The handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  You are a one of one?

• 0:19Speaker 00

  My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  Gang, it's great to be back with you. We've been off for one week, aside from an interview that was dropped last week, which seems like you guys really like with Ted Cruz. It was a great conversation. We were at the Vault Conference, and it was a phenomenal event. And I want to start off with a prayer that I read to everybody at the Vault Conference. Everybody said, Pat, please send it to us. I said, I'm just gonna read it Monday morning on the podcast to start off the podcast and a great week. And if you're tuning in today, today's what, Labor Day, right? Yes, sir. You mean to tell me the folks in California got up at 6 o'clock to listen to us? If you're from West Coast, okay, and you're on Pacific Standard Time, please, in the comment section, say I'm in California. Give us the city. If you're West Coast, what city, what state, Pacific Standard Time?

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Major respect for you. We have the best, smartest, wisest group in the world that listens to this podcast. And best looking and best dressed. We can't, we can't miss the best looking part of it. But let me read this prayer to you. Heavenly Father, I come to you right now with everything that is on my mind. Quiet the noise, calm my nerves, show my thoughts, remind me that I do not have to control everything because you are in control. Your word says, be still and know that I am God, Psalm 46 10. So right now, Lord, help me be still. Replace my anxiety with peace. Replace my fear with faith. Replace my uncertainty with trust. Replace the pressure I feel with confidence that you are with me. Give me a clear mind, steady hands, wise words, and a peaceful heart.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Whatever happens next, remind me that my identity comes not from the outcome. I don't need to impress anyone. I don't need to be perfect. I simply need to be present, prepared, and faithful. The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want, Psalm 23 1. Father, go before me. Give me the courage of David, the wisdom of Solomon, the patience of Job, and the peace that only comes from you. I surrender this moment to you. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me, Philippians 4 13. My mind is settled. My heart is steady. My confidence is in you. In Jesus's name. Amen. Amen. So this was the prayer that I read, and Vinnie was dying to cough, man. He's like going crazy. I have to cough here. But we had, we had a great event. We had a great event. We have Stephen Bartlett there who crushed it.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  I think when the reviews come out, yeah, he was, he's gonna be a fan favorite. 90 minutes, and then we had Logan Paul, which at some moment, you're listening to Logan Paul, he said, I hate this guy. I think I like this guy. My God, I love this guy. This guy's freaking phenomenal. It was such a roller coaster with him. He's a showman and a half. He just came in and owned the stage. And then we had Floyd Mayweather, text last minute, shows up, comes, does the interview. And you know what? Here's the deal. I'm the best. I'm the best there's ever been. You know, I asked him a question one time, and I can't wait for you to see it. I'm like, so do you believe in affirmations? He said, what? He said, what'd you say? He thought I said something bad. But I froze or something. I said, do you, do you believe in affirmations? He got upset with me. I said, no, no, like, do you tell yourself, like, you know,

• 3:27Speaker 01

  great things about yourself? He says, I'm the best. I'm the greatest there's ever been. And his confidence in himself was beautiful. And then, of course, we had Joe Montana and Jerry Rice. Joe Montana was fired up. He wouldn't even let Jerry speak. Joe, the entire time, he was so like intense about the whole thing. We had a fun time with him. Jerry was phenomenal. Dan Martel got on the stage, did his thing. Nick Shirley got up and you guys interviewed him. And, but it was a good time. Tom did phenomenal with his session. We had a very good, the networking, after-party at the Formula One. They made me dance Armenian. I would play this video for you, but I can't because Aram Satorian's in the, in the, music's in the back. We don't want to get, you know.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  Oh, we could show that.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  It was like, you were River dancing on a tour. With a torn ACL, we were dancing. You were on fire. Anyways, if you were there, we had a great time. If you weren't there, I'm telling you, do yourself a favor. The next one's not for another year. Just trust me on this one. Don't miss the next one. You'll see why. The greatest networking session ever. But let's get right into it. We got a lot of stories to cover. We've been off for a week. Nike, how much money has Nike lost, Tom? The stock in the last five years, seven years? 82%? 81%? Ridiculous what's going on with Nike. And then Lululemon comes up. They had their own set of stories. And the CEO and his wife are going through a nasty divorce. There's not a prenup there. You know, the line is very simple. Either you sign a prenup, or the woman has a prenup with the US government.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Because you have a prenup no matter what. And the prenup is, the government already has a prenup in structure in place for you if you don't go get your own terms. They're gonna dictate the terms. But we'll talk about Nike and Lululemon. This lady, Lindsay Clancy, one juror, this one guy that, that saved the day. The man. So out of the 12 jurors, nine were women, three men. Of the three, two sided with her saying, you know, she's innocent. Though one guy's like, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not doing this. Because of one guy, this lady didn't walk. Now, she probably would have gone to some kind of a mental hospital, things like that. But she would have walked. After killing her three, she would have walked with $1.2 million. Can you imagine that message to the world?

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Hey, go kill your kids. We'll raise you $1.2 million and you'll walk because it's not your fault. Somebody else's fault. You know, you didn't do it. It's not your fault. Another video is going viral with a guy that's saying he was about to get married, $200,000 wedding he put. And he comes out and tells the girl, tells the girl, I'm out. We ain't getting married because they just asked her a simple question. What do you think about it? We're at dinner. I'll even bring up what we talked about at dinner. Could you be friends with somebody that said she could walk? You have a relative. You're in the summer vacation. You're going out, hanging out together. One of the people there says, this girl's innocent. She should walk. Could you see yourself living in the same house with somebody for three weeks with your kids being there? Nope. With somebody that believes, it's a conversation that we'll have in San Antonio.

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  US jobs report came in with 162,000 jobs, of which, you guys ready for this? I think this is sexist, man. I really do. I think, I think they have something against all the men, by the way. You know, out of the 162,000 jobs we created, 98% of them were for women. Only 2% were for men. Guys, if you got a job in the last quarter, listen, respect to you because you're probably the only person I got in last quarter. The other 98% were all women. Tom will give us that report. Tucker Carlson, J D Vance, J D Vance comes up and clears up his friendship with Tucker Carlson. After saying this El Side guy's evil, after Tucker comes out and says he would never vote for the guy that's going against El Side, Mike Rogers, he never would.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  There's just a bunch of things going on because JD's got to clear up his relationship with Tucker because his son, Tucker's son Buckley, used to work for JD. So there's some things there for 2020, and I'm sure he's trying to clean it up to see what's gonna happen with the votes. Florida housing market story comes out, and listen, the Florida housing market may be taking a hit. Venezuela's oil deal with Chevron giving $7 billion. And I don't remember if you remember the Chevron CEO was it? Where it's like, well, I don't know if we're gonna put anything there because the infrastructure in Venezuela is not that good. They came back and said, we'd like to put another $7 billion into it. That's a massive, massive deal that the US did with Venezuela. We'll address that. And then a man, this is a very, very difficult, but a video we must watch.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  A father of daughter maimed by illegal aliens slams Democrats, saying, there's no way you guys are sorry. And looks at everyone's faces and says that to their faces. You just have to watch this clip. Because the way this guy did it, I just, you know, obviously a heart, difficult, difficult story. But we gotta watch this together. And by the way, the WNBA, the commissioner, Kathy Engelberg, they're not renewing her contract. I wonder why. I thought she was crushing it. She was doing a great job. And, you know, they say she's gonna be stepping down by the end of the year and resigning. That's one way of Adam Silver saying, you're fired. You know what I like about David Stern, Tom? David Stern would have said, you're fired. Get the hell out of here. David Stern was like a mobster.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  But Adam's a little bit more diplomatic. Now, who knows? Maybe David Stern would have done it a different way. I don't want to say anything. He was a good commissioner. He was a good commissioner. He's a guy that I really liked. He was tough. He was strong and some people will say.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Maybe she should play baseball for two years.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe she should just leave and, and, you know, change it up. Tim Cook stepping out from Apple. You know, a lot of people are wondering what kind of money he got paid. And a new guy that's coming in, is it gonna change anything? What's gonna happen? What was his legacy like? Did you guys hear about what happened with the Clippers? I mean, the Clippers are getting fined $30 million and losing five first-round draft picks because the way the Clippers and Ballmer did a deal with Kawhi Leonard, which, by the way, probably the worst deal in the history. They got nothing for Kawhi Leonard. They thought they were gonna win a couple of championships. They thought the Clippers were gonna be the king of LA and replacing Lakers. And there's a famous line by Charles Barkley. He says, I'll say it when we get into the story.

• 9:22Speaker 01

  I'll say it when we get into the story. It's a, it's a phenomenal. He says, I've been poor. I've been a rich. He says, I've been fat. I've been skinny. The Clippers have sucked all along.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Tiger Woods got a, you know, latest DUI. He got a five-year suspension on his license, which I think the world's a safer place with Tiger not driving. Dude, just go get a driver. Yeah, I know what it is to like to drive. I love driving, but just go get a driver. It's probably better for society that Tiger is not driving. And then there's a guy, uh, this is Vinnie's favorite story that, you know, the last two stories are Vinnie's stories. He loves these stories. One of them is about, uh, gays for Gaza, you know, activists that what happens to them?

• 10:06Speaker 03

  He was shot and killed with his friend or lover by a Muslim guy that hates gays. I know that's gonna, that's a shocking story, but yeah.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Ben, you're exaggerating.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  He, a Muslim man, shot a gays for Gaza activist here.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  What does this have to do with Milo?

• 10:23Speaker 03

  Milo got deported because he overstayed his visa. He was, you know, he thought nothing was ever gonna happen. They deported him and now he's there. He's in the UK.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  But he's not in the States anymore.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  No, he's not in the States.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  He's in the UK.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  He's in the UK and now he's inside of mosque. I know people are like, he's a troll and everything, but guess what? He's wearing the outfit, he's sitting in the mosque, and I'm just, I'm curious to where he's gonna go. If he's actually gonna go through it 100% and go to, go to the Middle League.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  I wanna make sure I'm clear, cuz I thought that was very helpful. A guy that says gays for Gaza who never read the Quran.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  Gets shot and killed by a guy who read the Quran and did exactly what it told him to do.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  1,000% and I have a.

• 11:01Speaker 02

  Okay, I just wanna be sure.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I do have a weird.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  That's a good summary, Tom.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  And I do have a weird take once we get there, if we get there, about how this kinda correlates.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Well, maybe this goes to the next story because this next one is Hunter Biden, who said in an interview he's 48% gay, is thinking about running for president and Don Lemon, who is.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  100% gay.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  He is saying he's gonna run for president.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  Oh, do it.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Respectfully, I'd love to actually see it, not, not even mocking or rage baiting or anything, uh, trolling. I just would love to see these, I, I would like a lot of people to run in 2028. A lot, a lot of people to run. The more people running, the more we get in shape. I think it's a good thing for more people to run. Anyways.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Makes a Democrat debate, must see TV, man.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  With that being said, uh, I didn't get what that meant, Tom, but let's, let's, uh.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  If all these guys are running on stage, I would actually watch the Democrat debate.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I got, so that makes sense. Maybe you gotta clarify a little bit with a disclaimer at the bottom. Gang, uh, with all this stuff being said, one of the moments at the vault that was very, very emotional was when we, um, dedicated a, uh, section of the vault to the late, great Charlie Kirk. It was so interesting how everybody, almost everybody in the room got up, many were in tears, remembering this great man. And as strange as this, this is, his one year is coming up just in a few days this week, just in a few days this week. And we remember, all of us remember, I remember what happened when, you know, Kobe Bryant died.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  I remember exactly where I was at seasons 52 in Dallas. Uh, I'll never forget where I was at when Charlie Kirk was assassinated and killed. We were at the vault conference, Tony Robbins was on stage, I got up and Tom prayed. And today what we wanna do is, we are launching a limited edition hat of Charlie Kirk, numbered out of 250, and 100% of anything you buy of Charlie Kirk's merch that we have on our site is gonna go to a local Florida chapter of TPUSA that young men and young women that are going out there, working with kids, and we have to directly, this is not going directly to TPUSA, it's not going directly, this money is gonna be given to local chapters that

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  are actually doing a good work, going to kids, teaching them about solid principles, values and principles. So with that being said, if you wanna play this clip, and then we'll get right into it. Go for it.

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• 16:00Speaker 01

  The story I wanna start off with is a story of, uh, you know, I'm trying to see which one I wanna go with. Let's go with the jobs report story. So US jobs report comes in, okay? US jobs report comes in, everybody's kinda looking at this thing saying, what does it look like? What, what is the numbers? What is it saying? And some people are worried that the rates may be increasing. Wait a minute, we're gonna increase the interest rates? Yes, we are. Really? Yes. Why? Trump's saying, don't, don't, don't, don't increase it, you better lower it, we desperately need it. America needs a decreasing of interest rates. Yes, we're thinking about it. No, I'm telling you, you gotta lower the interest rates. Women accounted for almost all of job gains in August, and here's why.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Wait, you mean all of it? 98% of all the job gains we got were for women. So they counted for 158,000 of 162,000 of August jobs added, 98%, while men netted just 4,000, per CNBC analysis, over the past year, employed women grew by 870, while employed men fell by nearly 1 and 1/2 million. Damn.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  How are we doing?

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Did you hear what I just said?

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  870 women grew, 1 and 1/2 million men declined. The drivers, healthcare, the engine of job growth were upwards. Of 4 in 5 workers are women, and local government education, which added 42,000 jobs in a field where women held nearly 3/4 of positions. Women also showed hiring strength and male-dominated manufacturing. Women's unemployment fell to 3.9, while men's is at 4.4. We are in the midst of a shift that is changing right before our eyes. Indeed, hiring labs, Laura Alrick, a woman, but she cautioned the story is not purely positive. Women earn less, so their hiring share may signal a tilt towards lower wage rolls, and some gains reflect women juggling multiple jobs.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Navy, federal health, Heather Long noted, month, uh, monthly gender data is volatile and pointed to the longer-term mom session trend of mothers leaving the workforce. Tom, why is this so important?

• 18:07Speaker 02

  This is a big report, um, because of what's in it. You touched on a couple of things. The first thing that you touched on was bars and restaurants, also known as hospitality, um, added 59,000 jobs. Local government, um, driven education, public school, added 42,000. But that's a seasonally expected number. What month is it? August. What are we doing? We're going back to school. What are you doing to go back to school? You hire your teachers, your part-timers come back and things. So together, that was 62% of the entire jobs report, Pat. But on the other side of it, this, they also revised up July a little bit, and they revised up June a little bit, which means that overall, it was a good report, but these two sectors

• 18:51Speaker 02

  dominated it, and we didn't get as much as we really wanna see, like in manufacturing, and where you have real industry going. And on the other side of it, the impact of the report is gonna be much greater with the Fed, because now it almost guarantees that the Fed's gonna be stepping toward a rate hike, when there's people out there, including me, that are saying, I think the rate should be lower. Now, the White House, they believe it should be lower, and they believe that for a lot of good reasons, but typically, the president wants lower rates for interest rates and a lot of other things for business. So you would expect that from the White House.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  I look at it, and Chris Waller, who's not head of the Fed, Chris Waller, he's just saying, hey, not so fast on the rate hike, not so fast. This jobs report doesn't mean that we have an overheating economy and inflation, this, this, you need to not raise the rates. So there are voices coming out, but the impact of this job report on potential rates and making a rate hike is bad, even though the jobs by and large was good, although we did have some seasonal things in education.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Adam.

• 20:04Speaker 09

  So there's a couple of main characters here. There's obviously President Trump. And then there's the new Chairman of the Fed, Kevin Worsch. So if you're not familiar with who Kevin Worsch is, he's the new guy in charge. We're about to find out if Trump is actually a king. Because for years, he was basically lambasting, what's our former Fed Jerome Powell, loser, sucker, no rate, no cut. He's just basically just admonishing him and just going hard at him. Then he has his, his opportunity to pick who he wants as the Chairman of the Fed. And the one concern was, is this guy gonna just do what Trump says? And here, we're finding out there's a solid jobs report.

• 20:48Speaker 09

  And ultimately, the, a strong jobs report removes the Fed's excuse to cut rate, right? So the Fed could either mess with rates, like the Fed is like a DJ. The, the volume, alright, the dance floor is packed, we're gonna cut rates, we're gonna turn up the volume. They're just doing one of two things.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  That's an interesting way to look at it. I agree.

• 21:08Speaker 09

  They're turning up the volume, the dance floor is packed, they're gonna, they're gonna keep rates the same. They're just constantly just using the, the, the, the job market as, as a way to understand how the economy is moving and basically how the dance floor is going. The bottom line is this, Kevin Worsch is gonna have an opportunity to basically stand up and say, nope, I'm in charge, the Fed is independent, and I'm gonna keep rates what they are, potentially even a rate hike, or I'm gonna do exactly what Trump wants me to do, and do a rate cut.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  What do you think's gonna happen?

• 21:35Speaker 09

  I think he's actually gonna keep rates the same.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  You don't think he's gonna raise?

• 21:38Speaker 09

  I don't think he's gonna raise.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  I think the pressure is on him to raise because the Fed is mistaking something. I am with the people that said, listen, beef is a supply shock. It's not sector full inflation. It is, are the prices up? Yes. Could you call that inflation? You could, but you would be wrong. It's a supply spike. Oil is a supply spike and a refinery shortage. Those aren't like inflation in the, the overall market, Pat. And with the inflation up and the overheating from the, uh, jobs report, now, Worsch, I think, is leaning toward raising the quarter.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  I'd actually love to see him raise the rates.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  That would be bad.

• 22:17Speaker 01

  But I'm gonna tell you why I'd like to see that happen. No, no, now hear me out for a second. I'd like to see him raise the rates. I, I know it would be bad. And I know the market's gonna tank when he raises the rates. But I'd love to see him raise the rates, and then guess what he does right after? So let's just say he raises a quarter, okay? And the next time he has a chance to raise the rates or keep it the same, he lowers it half a point, okay? What message does that send to the world? The message that sends to the world is, one, he's independent. Trump hired somebody that is gonna make up their own minds. He's not just gonna do what Trump wants him to do. And guess what? He's gonna get his chance. Right now, we're what month? What month are we in right now? September. When's the next time he's gonna get a chance to mess with the rates?

• 22:58Speaker 02

  Uh, September, I think it's, um, 17th to 19th, I think, is the Fed. If you guys could look that up.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  And then what's the next one, Tom?

• 23:04Speaker 02

  And the meeting, so 17th, 19th, be Halloween, I think, if you look up the Fed dates.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  So Halloween will be right before midterms, right?

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, let me, let me see.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  I think.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Remaining 26 schedule, guys, right there, right there. Guys? It's right below there.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  So go a little bit lower, September, so October 27th, 28th. Yeah, so there you go. So, so to me, I actually, I, I'd like to see him raise the rates a little bit, although I don't think he's going to. I think it's gonna stay flat. I don't think nothing's gonna be happening.

• 23:31Speaker 09

  Well, as long as he doesn't lower the rates, he's gonna show that he's independent of Trump. Because Trump is basically out there yelling at anyone who will listen, the United States seems to have the cheapest rate, lowest rates, lowest borrowing costs. And Kevin Worsch is gonna have an opportunity to basically make a name for himself.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, we'll see. We'll see what'll take place. Let me get to the next story here. Okay. The next story is with Lindsay Clancy. We're at the event, and all of a sudden, it's like mistrial, mistrial, mistrial, mistrial. What do you mean mistrial? Yeah, mistrial. Wait, out of the 12 jurors, how many were on her side? 11. Of the 12 jurors, what sexes were they? Nine women, three men. Nine women all sided with her. Of the three men, two sided with her, one did not. And the one that did not, I cannot tell you how many times, including the judge, tried to tell this guy, hey, get in line, okay? Get in line. And the guy's like, no, not backing down. This guy, I've seen some pictures of this guy.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  And who knows whether these pictures are right or wrong, if it's him or not, because you know, they're trying to protect him. I mean, you can literally pull up the, the 12 jurors and identify the three males. Can you pull up the 12 jurors on the Lindsay Clancy case and go through the three men that are on this? One of them said, no. This woman is guilty. There's no way she's innocent. She is guilty. And next thing you know, it's a mistrial. So now, we were one juror away from this woman who has already raised 1.2 million dollars on, what do you call it? On GoFundMe, and killed her three kids. She could have walked. That's the system we're in right now.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  She could have walked. So, it, it, absolute, I got a bunch of questions on this that I wanna go to, and Vinny, I'm gonna come to you first. Lindsay Clancy trial ends in mistrial with no verdict. What happens next? This is what everybody wants to know. What is gonna happen next with this story, right? Everybody wants to know what happens next with this story. Let me read it to you. So, the trial ended in a mistrial. They, seven of the deliberations, after the jury reported a single holdout and said it could not reach unanimity on whether she was criminally responsible for strangling her three children on January of 2023, Clancy returns to, uh, State Hospital, Tewksbury,

• 25:49Speaker 01

  where she has been held since, uh, 2023. DA Timothy Cruz will decide whether to retry first degree murder, downgrade charges, offer plea, or drop the case. "I'm going to be meeting with our team," he said, giving no timeline. Reddington said, "If a fall retrial happens, she'll be ready." "Legal experts, uh, expect a retrial citing the Karen Reed precedent." "A retired after a 2024 hung jury, then acquitted. "I think they'll likely come back a second time," said CBS analyst Caroline Pelosi, noting prosecutors made some pretty big missteps. "They could fix, including their argument that Clancy faked her suicide attempt." "Jurors heard 85 witnesses, 200 pieces of evidence across nearly six weeks.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  "Nobody can agree out here, so why would the jury agree," Pelosi said of the polarized public. Vinny?

• 26:40Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, th, th, this is one of those cases that is going to set a precedent. I sent Connor the story already, already. In Illinois, a mother was charged with murder and death of her two-year-old. Prosecutors say, uh, Corey Walsh had recently become very interested in the Lindsay Clancy case, and had spoke of harming her other three children and her husband. So we have to be very careful of what's happening, okay? And just FYI, Pat, because I'm gonna have Connor play these two videos from the psychologist that we're on the stand. Lindsay developing postpartum psychosis eight months after giving birth would make her such an extreme statistical outliner. Like, postpartum psychosis occurs in one to two out of every 1,000 births.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  So usually it begins with the first couple of weeks, and then it becomes increasingly rare the more time passes. So she was at eight months. Excuse me, okay? Eight months. So the thing about the time, and then look at the circumstances. She, she's at the house, she's researching how long her husband, Patrick, how long the trip to the restaurant would take, she sent them out, she added another errand, and then she became psychotic during the precise 18-minute window that she created, okay? And then in that window, she claims that she heard a voice for the first time to kill all three children, okay? And she also missed her husband's phone call, but then deliberately called him back, which shows that she remained aware of the situation and the risk of him returning early, okay? And then the alleged psychosis ended with the treatment or the intervention. Pat, this guy right here, did you see this? This is Kurt

• 28:08Speaker 03

  Hilbrum. Just to give you his credit, he's a psychologist, board certified in both clinical and forensic psychology. He testified that he does not, by the way, this is a doctor, this isn't TikTok people and women, liberal women flipping out. He does not believe that she was experiencing acute psychosis. And he said that that, those voices never returned, and it's very, he didn't say very once, very, very rare. Can you play this, Connor?

• 28:30Speaker 10

  The way she described this as happening is that she heard a voice that she'd never heard before, experienced an hallucination. And she's never experienced it since, but she only experienced it for the 18 minutes.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  Weird.

• 28:48Speaker 10

  Or so, that it took to kill the children. And to put it mildly, that would be a very, very unusual.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  Could you, could you stop it, Connor? And Pat, he goes on, this guy was one of the best witnesses that have, for a doctor to use the word very, very unusual, means it's probably not real, okay? And then this is another guy, psychiatrist, Dr. Avram Mack, testified that she suffered from depression and anxiety, but showed no evidence of psychosis or bipolar mania when she killed the kids. Can you play this?

• 29:19Speaker 11

  Um, do you recall what she reported about the voice?

• 29:24Speaker 12

  Her experience was that the voice, um, was of a male, and it was loud.

• 29:33Speaker 11

  And what did the voice say?

• 29:36Speaker 12

  The voice said, to the effect of, you should kill the kids. This is your last chance so that you can kill yourself.

• 29:43Speaker 11

  And what did she say happened after she heard this voice?

• 29:48Speaker 12

  She engaged in the activity of taking her children's lives.

• 29:53Speaker 11

  And what did she say that she said when she did that?

• 29:57Speaker 12

  She described that while that was happening, she was saying out loud, "Go to God."

• 30:04Speaker 03

  And then you pause, can you pause that, Connor? So Pat, ready for this? And he goes into saying that her saying that is so significant. "Go to God" because it shows that she understood the children were innocent, okay? And believed that they would go to God and understood what was happening to them was wrong, okay? Put that to the side. And I keep hearing this nonsense that's driving me crazy of she didn't have support. Are you ready for this? Her husband took paternity leave, worked from home to help her, ran her errands, picked up her medications, picked up her food. They had a nanny. Both set of grandparents helped her. She attended an outpatient postpartum program five days a week, saw six doctors and nurses, practitioners, and had 13 medications prescribed to her.

• 30:45Speaker 03

  And apparently, some people are blaming this medication. It's called Remeron. Pat, it's a psychosis, elicited an extremely rare adverse reaction. But she was also taking antipsychotics at the same time. So this whole, "Stop the narrative that she was abandoned and nobody cared and everything." Everything that she did, guys, was methodical. She knows what she was doing. She wanted to freaking kill them. She didn't like the husband, and this was her way, "Oh, I'm gonna kill myself." And he walks in, and we haven't heard it, but from, listen to testimony of witnesses, of people that heard the 911 call, I have this transcript. He was screaming, like she said, this woman said, "I've never heard a grown man scream these, at this level, saying, 'Oh my God, she killed them.'" And she took them in all different rooms, and she killed her.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  So enough of all this. This is in Massachusetts, Boston, all liberals. And for the judge to come out and yell at him, and basically say, "You have to follow my instructions," means he wants her to freaking walk as well. So there's a new trial that's gonna happen. I hope the prosecution goes for it. And she never, guys, if she is out in public after two years of being in a mental ward, as a society, as human beings, the system has failed.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, by the way, did you see, did you see the clip of the judge comparing the male juror holding out against the other 11 to England standing alone against Nazi Germany? Did you see that?

• 32:03Speaker 03

  Can you show it?

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Have you guys seen this or no? Okay, so I have to show you this. Even, it's pretty crazy because Asman Gold, who does a great job, he responded to this. Guys, I don't know if in the back you have it or not. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna send it to you when you guys can prepare this. While you're preparing this, I want to read something else to you. You ready for this, folks? This is what upsets and irritates a lot of people. Let me give you a few other cases, except let's flip it, and it's a man. Ready? Timothy Jones Jr. Killed five of his kids in 2014. Ages 1 to 8 in South Carolina in 2014. You know what ended up happening to him? Death sentence. John Pataglia killed two of his kids, shot his daughter, 6 and 9,

• 32:47Speaker 01

  while their mother listened over the phone. Death sentence executed in 2018. Anthony Milan Ross murdered his 11-year-old son, 8-month-old daughter, and ex-wife on Christmas Day. You ready? Death sentence, sentence, May 2026. Death sentence, May 2026. Cameron Todd Willingham convicted of intentionally setting fire that killed his three daughters. Death sentence executed in 2004. Conviction remains highly controversial. Chad Doerman executed, Doerman is D-O-E-R-M-A-N, executed his three young sons in Ohio in 2023.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  Prosecutors initially sought death, ultimately life without parole after plea agreement. The Timothy Jones one is particularly relevant for the following reason. He killed his five kids, and prosecutors argued for death despite defense evidence concerning serious mental health problems. The juror sentenced him to death in 2019. Wasn't even a, like, conversation. Not 11 to 1, 9 to 2. No, no, kill this guy. John Pataglia is another extraordinary example. He murdered his two daughters while their mother was listening. He was sentenced to death in 2002 and executed in 2018. His attorneys later argued that severe mental illness made him incompetent to be executed, but the court rejected the claim.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  So you notice a pattern here, where the arguments being made to say, "Well, but you don't understand postpartum," you know? And you see a lot of conservatives saying stuff like, "Well, wait a minute. If you're going through it, give up the kids, right? Give them up. Tom said this at dinner the other day. Give them up. Let the state take care of them. Give them up to foster." If you're really going through this, the country's sitting there saying, "Well, look, if you're that crazy that you may kill your kids, let's just take the kids away from you." And you know what this can go to is, if all of a sudden the mother who just had kids is on SSR, you're taking these types of medication that Vinnie was reading earlier, let's not give you the responsibility on raising kids by yourself. So either take the medication without the kids, or don't take the medication and raise the kids.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  So if you take the medication, the kids are going away. You gotta make up your mind here what's gonna be happening, because this is gonna set the tone for a lot. I want you to watch this clip here as well, for the argument being made by the judge. Go for it.

• 35:08Speaker 13

  All right, members of the jury, at this point, I'm going to declare that the jury is deadlocked, and I'm gonna declare a mistrial.

• 35:19Speaker 13

  I just wanted to make a comment.

• 35:25Speaker 13

  And I'm kind of a history buff. And during World War II, Winston Churchill was the Prime Minister for England.

• 35:35Speaker 07

  That's right.

• 35:35Speaker 13

  When England pretty much stood against Nazi Germany alone. And so Churchill oftentimes had to talk to the citizens and say, "Let us race for our duties." I always liked that phrase. And I thought of that phrase when all of you were agreeing to be on this jury.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Do you understand what's going on here?

• 35:56Speaker 13

  The agreement to race for that duty. And each one of you knew how long the case was gonna go. You knew how difficult the case was gonna be to listen to, facts-wise, but still.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  What an analogy.

• 36:10Speaker 13

  Race for that duty. And I just.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Can you imagine that when you're listening to this, Tom? How do you process this with the judge saying this? How ridiculous is this?

• 36:18Speaker 02

  It's beyond ridiculous. And by the way, you know, this whole thing with these Lindsay apologists, to me, it's kind of nuts. How long have they been talking about feminism? "Hey, we can do anything a man can do. We demand equal rights. You know, we want, we can endure pregnancy, childbirth, and all this thing. We want equal rights." I agree with that. They want equal rights. They want to do this. And now they take this old guy who spends the entire defense saying that women are fragile, and that he is now, they call him the voice of feminism. The voice of feminism just spent, how long in trial? Basically saying that women who have kids are, you know, can be classified as nuts?

• 37:00Speaker 02

  And I disagree with that characterization of postpartum, which I believe is real. And I think the judge going up there, I think there were so much angles here, Pat, that was just a mockery and just sort of collisions of logic. And now we want to redefine women as damsels in distress, slave to hormones, that have not partially cared for. They can go off the reservation and kill their kids. Oops? I don't buy it. They don't see what they're doing. They're setting what they used to call feminism back, you know? And that's just, and I was never about feminism. I was about basic equality. You could have a job. You could do this. Can you do everything a man can on a football field? No, let's not go there, because they take it the other way.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  But this just shocked me, Pat. This, this really, all of this in the case was just, I call it a collision of logic. Adam.

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• 39:31Speaker 09

  Well, in a weird way, this Lindsay Clancy trial, it's all women who are on trial, especially liberal women. We all know Massachusetts is a very liberal state. We all know that they have very liberal policies. But, you know, right as this, as this trial was taking place, I don't know if you saw, if you guys saw this, about a week prior, the governor of Massachusetts signed a bill that basically allowed abortion on demand up until

• 39:59Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 40:00Speaker 09

  childbirth, up until the day the child is born. So my fear is this, there's a very slippery slope saying, if we can kill a baby right before it's born, what about right after it's born? What about one day after it's born?

• 40:13Speaker 03

  How many months?

• 40:13Speaker 09

  What about one week after it's born? What about one month after it's born?

• 40:16Speaker 03

  How many months old was the youngest one?

• 40:18Speaker 09

  Eight, eight months old. The youngest baby was eight months old. Oh, so how about eight months? Exactly. So it's a very slippery slope with this liberal ideology of, yeah, we can kill the baby right before it's born, to right after it's born. So then, what I'm wondering for women, and I love you women out there, especially women who are seeing this in a very logical manner, the slippery slope says, alright, let's say she gets off. Then, alright, so you, you can succumb to your emotions, and no matter what you do, you could just say, yeah, it was my hormones, it was my emotions. So then at what point can we say, well, how can we trust you? How can we trust your gender around children? How can we trust you in the workforce? How can we trust anything you do at this point?

• 41:02Speaker 09

  Because you can just blame your emotions, or after pregnancy, depression, whatever it means, and you just kill somebody and you get off. So to me, the precedent that is going to be set here, if Lindsay Clancy is set free, and basically saying, yeah, it's okay to murder your three kids, and it wasn't just her three kids, it was their three kids, because the husband was the father, so Cora, Dawson, and Callan, these are three people, and it's a very slippery slope. My last point is this, you've talked about the hero-making machine here on the show a million different times. Lindsay Clancy, no matter what you think of her, she is not a hero. The women who are protesting for her, who have raised over a million dollars, basically

• 41:45Speaker 09

  claiming that she's their, their hero, and the, and the system is rigged against her, have to take a long, hard look in the mirror and say, what are we talking about right here? Lindsay Clancy's not a hero, Luigi Mangione's not a hero, Tyler Robinson's not a hero. It just seems like the world is going backwards, and there's normal people saying, not so fast.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and by the way, I want you to see this clip. Two things. You want to go to this one first, and by the way, the juror, you know, there's a picture circulating saying that this is the juror, who knows if this is true or not? We'll get to that here in a minute. Here's a guy that was about to get married, and $200,000 wedding, he's spending money on, that's a real wedding, and watch what he had to say after he asked his fiance, future wife, a simple question, go ahead.

• 42:33Speaker 15

  So I just canceled my wedding. I was gonna get married next month. I asked my ex what she think about the case of Linsley. She told me that she's innocent, because I would never understand what a woman go through. And I said, but what about the kids? Who cares?

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Jeez.

• 42:55Speaker 15

  So you know what? $200,000 done, but I can't believe I was gonna get married to a monster.

• 43:05Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  Done.

• 43:07Speaker 03

  $200,000, but guess what? Doesn't have to worry about going, leaving, and, and his kids being murdered, if he, however many kids he's gonna have with her.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and you, you saw the clip with Chris, right? There's a clip with Chris that

• 43:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, couldn't you, and

• 43:20Speaker 01

  This is a strange take, Chris, but you, you, play this clip, go ahead, and Vinny, I'm gonna come to you, go ahead.

• 43:26Speaker 16

  I'm gonna let all this noise clear the zone on the Lindsay Clancy situation, and the lone holdout juror who admitted he had reasonable doubts about the prosecution's case, but refused to let her go. I'm gonna let that noise clear, but here's a signal. Why are so many people who are in favor of punishing Lindsay Clancy, also MAGA supporters, when you favor no legal accountability for the president and his administration, despite obvious illegality and corruption?

• 43:58Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 44:00Speaker 16

  Hypocrisy much?

• 44:01Speaker 03

  Oh, just when you thought you've seen it all, like, why MAGA? It's because the majority of MAGA are Christian conservatives who actually care about protecting children in the womb or out. And listen, and I love that you brought it up, Adam, the Democrat machine, the party, whatever, leftist, whatever, they don't give a damn. Not only are they a party of violence, they're happy with killing babies up to freaking birth, especially in Massachusetts, okay? It's apt, but when a mother who clearly belongs in prison executes her three children, and all the facts that I gave you, somehow, I, I don't understand how MAGA, like, how do you bring Trump into this? I don't understand, I, you know, and with all due respect, I think COVID, and his fifth

• 44:45Speaker 03

  booster, however many boosters Chris has gotten, is actually messing up his brain with a sprinkle of TDS. Like, how, how many ti, like, what, what are you, how do you even make that comparison? How do you make this political? Okay? Because I guarantee, by the way, I guarantee you, everybody in his circle, including him, thinks that she should walk. I would bet the farm that that's the attitude to have. And by the way, I know that he's a lawyer, but thank God he's not practicing law. Can you imagine, he's your lawyer, and he's trying to make an argument in court, and he's like, your honor, forget the evidence, the people who think my client is guilty are MAGA. Okay, counsel, what does that have to do with the case? Trump, Trump, Matt, Trump is evil, like, what? I, I don't get it. How, how do you bring Trump into this? Can somebody explain that to me? I'm being, no, I'm being dead serious.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  Can you?

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Or that they're all Baltimore Oriole fans.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  And by the way, they have been, it just, it seemed to be a non sequitur. I mean, Chris has been on the podcast, we all have a relationship with Chris, but I really thought that this connection was a bit of a, you know, kind of a reach, kind of just red meat for a liberal audience.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, but

• 45:48Speaker 09

  Yeah, I'll, I'll do my best. Number one, the, the video that we showed about the guy that canceled his wedding, $200,000, in a weird way, the Lindsay Clancy case is the updated version of the prenup. The prenup is basically saying, hey, listen, if we get married, you're not gonna steal all my money, and you're gonna run away with all my stuff. The Lindsay Clancy conversation is like, hey, if we get married and have kids, you're not gonna kill our kids, right? Let's, can we agree to bond on that? And the lady goes, well, not so sure, yeah, we'll cancel the wedding. Regarding whatever Cuomo was talking about here with, with Trump, in a weird way, this is how I process this. The, the, the people who are cheering for Lindsay Clancy, how do you think they feel about Trump? They probably hate Trump.

• 46:26Speaker 09

  So, they, they will, Trump has been accused of rape, pedophilia, sexual deviancy, never accused of anything. Lindsay Clancy, there's no

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Never charged with it.

• 46:40Speaker 09

  Never charged with anything. Lindsay Clancy, she actually killed her kids.

• 46:45Speaker 03

  She admitted it.

• 46:45Speaker 09

  She admitted it. There's no question here. So the, the hypocrisy, or the cognitive dissonance, that these women are basically saying, we hate Trump, everything about Trump is bad, bad, bad, but the lady who actually killed her kids, she's a hero, though, guys.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 47:00Speaker 09

  Let's have a little sympathy for her. To me

• 47:02Speaker 03

  But what do you think about, but Adam, think about this, this is, Chris is a left, liberal, Democrat, whatever you want to say, those two, Boston, East Coast, whatever, those two other jurors, the man, they think like how he thinks. Like, of cour, I guarantee you, Chris thinks that she's, she's innocent. Guaranteed. But how do you make the MAGA

• 47:20Speaker 09

  I don't even know actually what Trump would

• 47:22Speaker 03

  Pat, what is the comparison? Can you, can you like, try to figure out, what is a comparison with, the majority of the people that think that she's guilty are MAGA supporters? What the hell does that have to do with MAGA or politics? Seriously? She killed the kids. What, doesn't matter if you're a left or a right?

• 47:39Speaker 01

  Sometimes Chris says some stuff, and I just sit there and I'm, you know, you know, I watch it, I'm like, where is he going with this? This, this right here is a horrible take. It's an absolute horrible take of what Chris is doing, because it's not just MAGA, it's also a lot of men who are Democrats. Okay, so what do you say about that? Are they MAGA now? Do you think most men who are Democrats side with Lindsay? Let me, let me get this straight, actually, ask that question. No, no, no, but, but hear me out what I'm asking. So now officially, most men who are Democrats who hate Trump Or now MAGA, you're gonna put them in that pool? What percentage of liberal women you think support Lindsey Clancy?

• 48:19Speaker 03

  A lot.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  No, but what do you think the percentage is?

• 48:21Speaker 03

  Of liberal women?

• 48:22Speaker 01

  What percentage of liberal women support Lindsey Clancy?

• 48:27Speaker 03

  Over eighty.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  And thinks she's innocent?

• 48:30Speaker 03

  Over eighty percent.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  I don't think it's over eighty percent.

• 48:33Speaker 09

  Maybe ten to twenty percent.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  I don't think it's ten to twenty, but I think it's less than fifty, okay? I'm gonna put it's less than fifty. No, no, what I mean is, let's say it's thirty percent. But thirty percent is very high.

• 48:43Speaker 09

  Millions of women.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  But, but Adam, you forget what, what most of these liberal women support. But let's say it's thirty percent, okay? Let's say it's thirty percent. Seventy percent of them are now with Lindsey Clancy, think she belongs in jail and death penalty. Okay, that's a speculation. What percentage of Democrat men do you think support Lindsey Clancy saying she's innocent? Not the fact that what you go through postpartum is not a real thing. Not that that's not real. But the line of you're going through it, guess what? You know, it's okay that she killed the kids.

• 49:17Speaker 09

  Not many.

• 49:18Speaker 01

  What percentage?

• 49:19Speaker 09

  Less than ten percent.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  I agree, less than ten percent.

• 49:22Speaker 09

  Of Democratic liberal men.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Tom, you made your eye look, go ahead.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  So, I think that we're losing, that there's, I agree with this debate.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  But stay with me here, no, no, I don't wanna go to a different topic. I'm asking you the question. What percentage of liberal women you think, think Lindsey Clancy is innocent?

• 49:38Speaker 03

  I'm going, Pat, I'm telling you right now, I'm going.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  You're eighty, where are you at?

• 49:41Speaker 02

  I'm thirty.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Okay, where are you at?

• 49:43Speaker 09

  Yeah, I'm at twenty.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Okay, what percentage of liberal men who have never voted for Trump, who hate Trump, they think he's disgusting, say Lindsey Clancy's innocent, liberal? Who voted for Kamala, who voted for Hillary, who voted for Biden? What percentage of them think Lindsey Clancy's absolute psycho belongs in prison?

• 50:01Speaker 02

  I, I think men are inherently protective, I think only about twenty percent of them, maybe fifty.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  So you drop it off from thirty to ten, where are you at?

• 50:07Speaker 09

  I'm less, I'm less than that.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  Five percent, ten percent, where are you at?

• 50:10Speaker 09

  No, no real man is gonna be basically pro Lindsey Clancy.

• 50:14Speaker 03

  But, but a wife, the wife of a liberal who's a hardcore liberal, hey, women and women rights, I'm telling you right now, that bleeds into the husband. I'm, Pat, I'm, I'm going up there, I'm going.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Fifty percent?

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Maybe forty-five, fifty percent.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  But this, you know, but, but, but here's the thing. Let's say we're in that range. Chris, what do you say to those liberals who support Lindsey Clancy getting the death penalty? And she's guilty, are they MAGA all of a sudden? Is that where you put everybody? And by the way, Chris, just so you know, as, I'm gonna say, you, you say you're a free agent, but let's say, you know, you're a Democrat, cuz you're not gonna vote for Trump, and you vote your brother, you wrote him in and all this other stuff. You think this position could be a position in 2028 that some candidates will use? You think this is gonna be a position, cuz think about it already. How many eighty, twenty issues you guys are losing in? You, your party. How many?

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Transgender, eighty, twenty issue. Immigration, border, eighty, twenty issue. Clancy, postpartum, she's innocent, eighty, twenty. You know you guys are choosing so many of the dumbest eighty, twenty issues. Don't you think like a consultant's gonna say, guys, knock it off already. This woman, right here Lindsey Clancy, yes, dealt with postpartum, but she is not innocent. And so if I'm running for office, guess what I'm talking about? You wanna find that, and for me, it's very simple. Run a family vacation. Run a family vacation. And some people are gonna have kids there. And you have a two-year-old, a four-year-old, and a six-year-old that are on your family vacation.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  One of the wives thinks she's innocent and she's not guilty for killing her kids. You're gonna spend a week with that person in the house? Let me ask the question one more time. You're on a family vacation, you go on summer, you know, Hamptons, you go on Aspen, you go wherever you pick to choose to go to for summer vacation. You find out your cousin's wife, you find out your best friend's wife, Benny, Adam, you find out your best friend's wife, Tom, you find out, your best friend's wife thinks Lindsey Clancy is innocent, and she's not guilty for killing her three kids. You got a two-year-old, a four-year-old, and a six-year-old. What are you doing for that vacation?

• 52:31Speaker 09

  There's no chance I'm letting that woman around my kids.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  But what are you doing with that vacation? Are you, are you canceling the vacation, or are you not going to?

• 52:37Speaker 02

  I'm not going.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, and she, and if she's on drugs, forget it.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna be, I'm not gonna be over the top, and I'm not gonna be shrill about it, but I'm gonna say, you know what? I think we're just gonna do some different things this summer. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna give her grace that I, because it's up to her husband to talk to her about this and to worry in their marriage about their unity. I'm just gonna say, guys, I, I'm just, we can't do this. And I'm just gonna let it.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  So, so, so now, go, go even a little bit deeper.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  Okay? You have, you have friends, you have relationships, you're hanging out, hey, kids are going to school. Hey, we're gonna go to Aunt Mary's house to go play with little Johnny. And you know what that person's position is? You letting your kids go to that person's house?

• 53:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 53:21Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 53:21Speaker 01

  To me, to me, you can be pro-choice, pro-life, let's hang out. I, I, that doesn't bother me, even though I'm a man of faith, and I, you know where my positions lie. You can be, you can be a socialist capitalist, my health and guidance teacher till today hates Trump. She's a socialist. I'm flying her out to Florida for her honeymoon and sending, putting in the nicest hotel and spoiling the hell out of her. This lady was my health and guidance teacher. No problem. I can get along with a socialist and have a conversation with you. I can get along with a pro-life, pro-choice, and have a conversation with you. But if either one of those two think this woman is innocent, and it wasn't her fault,

• 54:05Speaker 01

  that to me, you are like past a line of logic and common sense. There can't be anything we can entertain together, nothing. Everything becomes surface level relation, oh, how are you? Are you good, oh, that's great, that's it. Hey, let's go on a vacation together, we're busy. Hey, let's go get a good kids, let's get, let's do what do you call it, kids playing together?

• 54:24Speaker 03

  Playdate.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  Playdate, no, no, we're busy, they're sick, they're this, we're not playing no games with this here.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  This isn't political opinion, this is like the safety of my kids.

• 54:33Speaker 09

  Exactly.

• 54:34Speaker 02

  I'm saying, does she flip out when my kids are over there?

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Kidding me, yeah.

• 54:37Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 54:37Speaker 09

  This is why I said this Lindsey Clancy conversation is the new prenup. These are the types of conversations you're gonna have with whoever's around your kids. You talked about friends and vacation, think about a babysitter. What are you gonna ask in that? Think about camp, think about schools, think about pre-K. Think about anything that you're gonna let your kids do, it's like, hey, question for you, where do you stand in this Lindsey Clancy thing? And all you're doing is weeding out psychopaths, it would seem.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  And are you on any medication?

• 55:02Speaker 02

  You called it a prenup, I think what you mean to say is hard filter. It's a hard.

• 55:06Speaker 09

  You're filtering out exactly who you don't own around in your life or in your kids.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. And by, by the way, men, I'm telling you, these are the conversations to have with your wife, future wife. And I think the right thing to do is to cut it off. Not, not cut, you know, I'm saying, cut the relationship off, that's Bob it, that's a, I'm talking about, cut the relationship off. It's one of the hardest things to do, is you gotta cut it off. Wait, you cannot compromise issues like this. You know, case study type of conversations, what do you think? It's the simplest question to ask. What do you think about her? What do you think she's, well, I think she's kinda going through it, no problem. You know what? Awesome, I wish you nothing but the best. This is the kinda stuff that, there is no compromise.

• 55:51Speaker 09

  And there's only one acceptable answer. What she did is disgusting, I, I completely condone that, I would never do something to the end of my life. Okay, cool, we can move on with our relationship. Anything other than that, well, you gotta understand where she's coming from, we're good here.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, there, there, there is, there is no discussion here. Let me get to the next conversation here, look what happens when you got bad policies. Nike. Nike is Nike. Air Jordans. You know, Jared Leto playing pre-Fontaine with those running shoes. And Nike turns into a juggernaut. Air, the movie, Ben Affleck plays, Phil Knight, you know, the book, great book. And you mean to tell me Nike all of a sudden is leaving the S and P one hundred on September second? Wait, what? Yes, Nike's leaving. What the hell did they do to leave? Well, their stock has plummeted in such ways we have not seen many businesses go through.

• 56:47Speaker 01

  Nike will leave the S and P one hundred before US trading opens September twenty-first. Dow Jones indicates, indices, announced September fourth as part of the quarterly rebalance, the sports wear company departs alongside Honeywell Aerospace, Simon Property Group, and Colgate, while Dell Technologies, Palo Alto Networks, Arista Networks, and SanDisk enter. The, the follow, can you pull up Nike stock, please? Just so we can see what happened to Nike stock the last seven years. Whenever Colin Kaepernick is, if you can go, do me a favor, go max, when was Colin Kaepernick?

• 57:24Speaker 09

  About ten years ago.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  What year was Colin Kaepernick, to be exact? What was, was it sixteen?

• 57:30Speaker 09

  Yeah, I think so, I think it was about ten years.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  What year was Colin Kaepernick? I wanna know what year was the Kaepernick?

• 57:35Speaker 09

  I wanna say there's a ten-year anniversary.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  When did Colin Kaepernick's incident happen? Do we know? What year did Colin Kaepernick's kneeling start? Okay, twenty sixteen. Can you go to twenty sixteen stock? Go to twenty sixteen stock, where it's at? So goes up, where does it peak? Go all the way up to where it peaked, peak, that's not peak, peak, yeah. Right there, so if you go to that, that's what, twenty twenty-one, COVID, it's peaking. And now the stock is below where Colin Kaepernick's kneeling happened. So you're talking about it's worse than where it was ten years ago. And a market cap, where's the market cap right now? Market cap is sixty billion dollars today. Where was the market cap at the peak? Go all the way to the top of the peak.

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• 59:33Speaker 01

  So if we say 174, the stock today is 3840. So 3840, 174 is 5X. The market cap was roughly $250 billion. It's dropped over 80%. Nike has, Tom, why is this happening?

• 59:50Speaker 02

  So here's what happens to the S and P indexes. You know, you can fumble your way out of the index. What do they do? They're constantly rebalancing and they're even said that Colgate Palmolive is also dropping out. And so what happens is the indexes is a collection that they try to balance by industry of investable assets. What they're saying is that they have low confidence in Nike as an investable asset and they're moving it. And what they've done is, is, is actually unconscionable. Nike has dealt with the backlash of go, you know, go woke, go broke. Here you go. You know, I'll tell you, you know, go woke, go broke. And Nike just didn't pay attention to the customer.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  You haven't seen things that are rolling. The 2021 peak was a little bit inflated as people react a little bit. And, you know, also there's some issues with, with China and tariffs and mismanaging their supply chain. And so there's a lot of people that don't like that. There was an NBA player that called them out. What was the name? The NBA player that called out Nike for the sweatshops in China and he wore a different name on his back.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  I don't remember.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  And, um, and, and everybody gave him crap for it. And he's like, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna do this. But there was a, um, you know.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  A NASCAR?

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Nike, uh, there it is. Publicly called it Nike October 21 for hypocrisy and ties to forced labor and human rights in China at the peak. And so all of these things happened to Nike after that. And now what's really funny is I read an article this morning preparing for the podcast. Do you know what Nike is listed as now? Says, "An interesting fashion sector turnaround story." That is how it's being described by a good analyst, a very good analyst. An interesting fashion sector turnaround story, which was once the leader, the trailblazer, the one that took a, a shot with Michael Jordan and did those things is relegated to that description, Pat.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's pretty wild.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Well, it's almost like Nike forgot one of the most famous lines it ever established by its most famous brand ambassador, which is Michael Jordan, who said famously, Republicans buy sneakers too. And it's almost like Nike totally forgot how this whole thing works. Because if you like sports, if you're someone that, that represents the Nike brand, Nike used to be cool. And then over the last five years, they've become completely out of, out of the cool section and they forgot where they came from. I remember the, the argument that I made with Brian Callen, that Jelly Roll is the Bud Light of musicians at this point. Well, Nike is the Bud Light of Jelly Roll at this point, where you've completely abandoned your customer, you forgot who you are.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  And if you, like Tom said, go woke, go broke. And then here's what I want to understand. I knew about the S and P 500. I didn't know there was an S and P 100.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  I mean, I invest in the S and P.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  Well, you know what the S and P 100 means?

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  It's just a hundred.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  It's just the top 100 companies.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  That's what that means.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  But I, but here's a company, Disney, I've, I've talked about Disney that I, my grand, my grandma bought me Disney stock and how Disney basically went, went woke, went broke. How much Disney went down, what 20, 30, 40% at the most? Nike's down.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  How much did they go down?

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  No, no, no, what are you talking about? Disney was a 400 billion dollar company. It went down to 200 billion dollars. Then Disney went to 50%. Oh yeah, go to five years, go, go to, go to max, go to max, go to the peak.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  The peak is in right during COVID.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  Right there, it went from 185 to all the way down to, uh, yeah, Disney dropped market cap, go on, no, that's not the low, lowest go back a little, no, right there. No, no, no, right to go a little bit, right, right, right. Go right, that right, right, right, right, right. Right there, 92. Yeah, drop more than 50%.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  Okay, but Nike dropped 80%?

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  Nike dropped 78%.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  So, so here's.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  What type of mismanagement going on here?

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  So here's, here's what you gotta know. Go, go a little bit deeper into that. Cause here's, here's how I want to isolate it. So anytime the insurance company like our company would have a drop, bad season, I will look to see what my best guys were doing to see if the best guys also dropped. Meaning is this an across the board market thing? Or is this the, you know, company, you know, somebody, a sector or market screwing it up? So what is the biggest category of Jordan? When you think about Nike, you think about Jordans, right? Okay. So if Nike dropped 78%, what do you think Jordans dropped? Shoe sales.

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  You would, you would suspect that there's a correlation.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  So what do you think it is?

• 1:04:24Speaker 02

  But I don't even think Jordan Brand dropped.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  It has dropped. If Nike drops 78%, how much have Jordan shoes with Nike dropped?

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  How much?

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  What do you think? Percentage wise, what do you think it dropped?

• 1:04:34Speaker 08

  I mean, if it's 70 for that.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  People, people love the Jordan brand. I don't see that going down that much.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  19% decline. So it went from 8.2 billion to 7 billion in 2026. On 2023, that 8.2 billion, then 8.7 billion in 2024 went up. Then it dropped from 8.7 billion to 7.27 billion. And this year it's estimated to be at 7.03 billion. So Michael is sitting there saying, guys, what are we doing? You're impacting my income by 19%. So they're feeling that. Now a few other things, aside from the woke part, you gotta also know that what, what Nike did in insurance, there's two ways to sell insurance. This has to do a lot with what Nike did as well. There's FMOs, IMOs, and there is career side.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  Meaning I'm AIG, career side is I have 2,000 employees that work for AIG that only sell AIG insurance. FMO and IMOs are independent contractors that can sell nationwide, AIG, Prudential, Mutual of Omaha, you know, Foresters, whoever they want to sell. You can't control what they sell. What AIG, this, what Nike did is Nike started saying, screw these guys, let's just sell it directly ourselves. They screwed over their retailers, meaning people that are buying Nike products and they're selling it, they tightened the margins. They're like, oh, we're so big, we don't even need you. We're just gonna go get everybody to go to the Nike store. I don't know if you're tracking what I'm saying to you right now.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  So they said, screw the FMO, IMO side, let's go only career side. We're so big, we don't need you guys. The secondary market, the, the whatever you call it, the dicks, the this, the that, the margins are going to get smaller. Okay. Then other competitors read the book Blue Ocean Strategy and said, I'm going to come and take markets away from you. Hoka, Nike didn't adjust quickly with the OnCloud technology and the Hoka technology. So the super form technology, when you think about super form, who do you think about? You think about OnCloud, you think about Hoka, major sector. Under Armour got more competitive, so it's by sector that got destroyed. It's not like, you know, you have tennis shoes, you have running shoes, you have basketball shoes, you have this shoes, you have that shoes. Companies came in and they said, we're just going after one market. You're trying to get everything?

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  We're gonna take a little bit of this, we're gonna take a little bit of that, we're gonna take a little bit of this. And of course the woke stuff doesn't help them. But, uh, you know, this is a right across the board issue that they have. You saw Disney just dropped Bob Iker and they have a new CEO that's coming in. Tim Cook is a different story because Tim Cook never got involved in the woke stuff, even though he's the first openly gay CEO of a Fortune 500 company. When they forced him to give the information on the iPhone in San Bernardino, you know what Tim Cook said? I'm not giving nothing to you. He never got into the full woke brand thing, which good for him, you know, for not doing that. So I, whether Nike is going to recover or not from this, who knows? The market is very, very competitive. You saw a little bit with Lululemon as well, Tom, where Lululemon took a hit.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  I mean, there's two stories with Lululemon, but one of the stories with Lululemon is, I don't know what page the Lululemon story is. Is it also page 13? Yes. Lululemon stock plunged 20% on disappointing earnings and outlook. So I don't want to stay too long on this story, but they're also going through it with Lululemon. The stock dropped 20%, uh, shares dropped 20% pre-market after trading on Friday after another disappointing quarter. And slash outlook revenue fall 4% comparable with sales sank 9% second fiscal quarter. The interim CEO blamed negative commentary on social media and a greater than expected slowdown in core categories like leggings. The overall response to our product launches remain inconsistent, she told.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  Third quarter guidance calls for revenue for 2.2 billion, uh, to 2.32 billion, down roughly 10 to 11%. So there's some stuff that's going on there. And then there's a story of Lululemon's founder, Chip Wilson, 71 years old, going through a divorce after 20 years of marriage. Bloomberg reported a family legal proceedings was filed in April. And so they're kind of going through their own thing as well. He's worth 6.1 billion. Apparently he had no prenup in place. So they're wondering what's going to happen there. So this is the nasty part about running a business and having a public life, you're going to be hit hard. And you have to know what happens when you're public, when you're wealthy, when you're successful, when you're winning, the market's going to be telling your story to the world.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  And it's not an easy place to be, but this is why it pays so well, because most people don't want to do it and most people cannot do it. They cannot handle the public pressure that comes with it. Let me get to the next one here with the public pressure. So 2028, everybody's wondering who's going to be running for president. A lot of conversations of who's going to be running for president. On the left, you see AOC, Newsom, Pritzker, you know, Ossoff, Tom's favorite, and some, some of these names, Shapiro, Josh Shapiro, some of these names out there.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  And Kamala still has her.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  And Kamala as well, yes, and possibly Hunter Biden and Don Lemon now saying he's thinking about it. On the right, you hear stories about, you know, JD Vance, maybe Rubio and a few other names. And JD Vance recently was asked about Tucker. Because Tucker made comments about El Sayed. And El Sayed is the guy in Michigan. Tucker said, I would never vote for the opposing guy, Mike Rogers. I think that his guy-

• 1:09:45Speaker 03

  Put a gun to my head, I wouldn't-

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you put a gun to my head, I don't know if we have that clip in the back. If we have it for us to show it, if you put a gun to my head-

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  I wouldn't vote for it.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  I wouldn't vote for him, right? And is this it? Is this the clip? Go for it. Let's hear this out. Go for it.

• 1:09:58Speaker 07

  Mike Rogers is really, uh... I wouldn't vote for Mike Rogers at gunpoint.

• 1:10:02Speaker 18

  Right, and so, that's the candidate, the guy, a literal loser, who lost when Donald Trump won the state. Just to show you how much of a headwind he had at his back.

• 1:10:12Speaker 07

  He's basically a tool of Israel and the intel agencies. How would you run someone like that? I don't even, it doesn't even make sense.

• 1:10:17Speaker 18

  So, that makes no sense. Well, El Sayed, who, look, El Sayed is a full-blown DSA. He doesn't call himself DSA. He's a full-blown leftist. I've known him for quite a long- I watch his campaign now. It's America first. The amount of times he says, he doesn't even, when he talks about Israel, he says Israel is committing a genocide, but ultimately, I want to make sure that you don't pay more for healthcare. I don't want your tax dollars going abroad.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Pause it right there. So now, that's El Sayed. So, as evil as Mike Rogers is, he's not as evil as El Sayed and what he believes in.

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  So let's, let's continue to allow more of them to have more power, the DSA, the socialist, the Islamist. And so JD Vance was asked about this, his relationship with Tucker, and here's what he had to say. Go for it.

• 1:10:58Speaker 19

  Carlson has called for the president's impeachment, and many accuse him of trying to jeopardize US-Israel relations. What do you say to those who are uneasy with their close relationship with Carlson and claim that you're avoiding addressing a lot of these issues which may be causing divisions within the GOP?

• 1:11:15Speaker 20

  Well, look, I'm not avoiding addressing anything. Everybody knows that Tucker Carlson and I are friends. And I think it's very obvious that Tucker has said some things that I disagree with. He said some things about the President of the United States that I think are just wrong. Uh, I think yesterday, somebody sent me a clip that said that he would, uh, support El Sayed over Rogers. I think El Sayed's a crazy person. And I think whatever your views on Mike Rogers' specific policy prescriptions, I'd like to have a non-crazy person like Mike Rogers representing Michigan in the United States Senate, rather than a crazy person like El Sayed. Uh, that said, what my attitude towards this, and, and I try to, I try to practice what I preach. And I remember when I became the vice presidential nominee, one of the hardest things for me, personally,

• 1:11:58Speaker 20

  is not when people attacked me, but when people attacked my wife, including friends of hers who knew her heart, who knew what a good person she was. And I remember thinking to myself, what a travesty it is that in the United States of America, we let political disagreements define who our friends are going to be and not going to be. So yeah, Tucker is a friend of mine. Tucker is a friend despite the fact that we disagree on a number of things. And I'm not gonna play the game where I throw friends under the bus because I have-

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  How do you feel about that?

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  I mean, I, I, I'm curious of what, what the president, because you know, Trump hears this, how does he think about this? And mind you, JD Vance himself used to call Trump all types of names. I don't know if he called him Hitler, literally Hitler, or something like that, though. But there's no way that he could not, the president doesn't hear this and he is livid. But again, this is JD Vance, who, I mean, you called it out a while ago, Pat. I think, you know, his, his intentions and what he's going through, I think at some point, especially, remember what, especially with Iran, when he was in there, and the, he made it almost like a, a, a, a fact to let everybody know that he was less enthusiastic about the war in Iran. He's just putting these little things so that when he does run, he could be like, hey, guys,

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  I wasn't with Trump this whole time. I told you guys I was friends with Tucker. I'm not about this war, and let's just, you know, vote for me, because he's gonna distance himself from Trump.

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  You think Trump trusts him?

• 1:13:21Speaker 03

  I don't think so, at all. I don't, I don't think so. Especially when the last time, when he said, hey, is JD Vance gonna take you there? He's like, nope, too early. He cut them off very, very quick. It wasn't like, yeah, you know-

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Recently, he's been going around, apparently, asking people, saying, I think JD's the guy, I think JD's the guy. He's been lobbying for him. So I don't know. I don't know. Tom, where are you at with this?

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  So, everybody's running for office. That's where I am. And when they-

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  You think Tucker's running for office?

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  Uh, I, I think Tucker's thinking about it. And I think everybody is talking like they're running for office. And JD Vance is here talking very carefully to keep the Tucker camp close. That's clear. I think it's very clear. Otherwise, you're gonna come out and you're gonna support it. And, by the way, you have to remember that, you know, think about political capital, Vinnie, and who's, who's angry and who's not. Does it matter if Trump's frustrated with you or pissed off about a comment? No. Does it matter if Trump's support goes away? Yes. So I think JD Vance is trying to stay in that lane a little bit. Hey, everybody knows Tucker's my friend. I have a friendship there.

• 1:14:31Speaker 02

  But there's some things he said about the president I think are just wrong. Okay, but I, I think this is all running language where everybody's trying to keep camps close, Pat. That's, I read it.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  Adam.

• 1:14:42Speaker 09

  I have no clue what this dude is doing. Let me give you an analogy. Okay, you're my boss, you're my mentor, you're my friend. If someone that I'm very good friends with is publicly talking trash about you, and I'm your co-host, I'm your vice president, at one point, I'm gonna say, hey, listen, buddy, I'm with Team Pat, that's my boss, you're really making things look very weird for me right now. Please stop. At that point, that guy can continue to do what he's doing, or actually stop. What's happening is Tucker has basically heard that, hey, you're really making life worth- Tucker goes, yeah, F you and your boss. At some point, you say, no, no, no, Tucker was my friend.

• 1:15:26Speaker 09

  He is no longer my friend. I don't understand how this relationship is sustainable. If, if my good friend, who I am still calling a good friend, is publicly talking trash, not only about my president, about my administration, and literally, single-handedly ruining my chances of becoming president, you would have to do more than slap me in the face to get me to wake up. I have no clue what he's doing. And if JD Vance thinks he's just gonna basically inherit the, uh, MAGA coalition as if, as if everything's cool, no issues, JD, you got another thing coming, brother. I don't get it. I don't understand the move.

• 1:16:07Speaker 09

  And for all the people that are basically still romanticizing Tucker, like, well, he was so great on Fox, things have clearly changed. At some point, you have to acknowledge, he may have been your friend, but he is no longer your friend.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, the other day, I was watching the debate between the president and Jeb Bush. And because I was preparing for the Ted Cruz interview, so I was kinda watching some of this old debate stuff. And it was one of the ones where he got up and he said, hey, you see all the people that are clapping? These are all the people that support Jeb Bush. You know why? Because they told us pre-debate, the only people that are gonna be able to get tickets for seats is, I was trying to get seats for my family and friends. I couldn't get anyone, because it was all the big donors that gave money here, right? It's just, it's true. And then they started booing. It's true. Listen, this is all what they're doing. They can do this all they want. And then in one of the exchange, so, think about who Trump targeted on the Republican side. Not, not the Democratic side.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  In the primary, Trump went out, and all the guys that were there, the Carsons, the Huckabee, the other guys that were there, the Ted Cruz, the, was he even a guy named Scott Walker? I don't know if Scott Walker was supposed to be the guy.

• 1:17:16Speaker 02

  Little Marco.

• 1:17:17Speaker 01

  Marco Rubio, Rand Paul. It was, it was quite a few of them. What was that lady, the, the CEO of a-

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  Early Filarino?

• 1:17:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So, but what did Trump do? He attacked and he went after a lot of these guys.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  Chris Christie.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  And, and you gotta think about, how different is the 2027, 2028 primary going to be? Is it gonna be one of those things, Tom, where, do you remember the Democratic debate, what it was like? That they wouldn't fight? I don't know if you remember.

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, and there was no way to do shadow.

• 1:17:47Speaker 01

  Kamala Harris, that one time, it's like, you know, Joe, I don't appreciate what you did with the buses and, you know, whatever it was. I don't know if you remember that thing. It really made me feel, so she went in on him, right?

• 1:17:56Speaker 02

  She did. And then, yeah, I'm right here. I'm right here, Joe.

• 1:17:59Speaker 09

  I was in 2020, I believe.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  There's no women that are leaders here. I'm right here.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  I don't know if it's 2020. I think that's 2016.

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Uh, was it 2020?

• 1:18:07Speaker 09

  No, no, because-

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  No, you're right.

• 1:18:08Speaker 09

  Joe didn't run in 2016.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  I don't know if it's, it could have been. Anyways.

• 1:18:11Speaker 09

  Yeah, yeah, it was 2016.

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  So when you, when you think about that, how is this one going to be? And, and which ones are gonna hurt people? Because I think the way JD is doing it, and, and, and remember, guys, like the way in sports, sometimes you win with a quarterback, sometimes Baltimore Ravens won without a quarterback. And they won with a defense. Sometimes you win with a center. And the NBA nowadays wins without centers. Sometimes you win with a, you know, what do you call it, the, the three, uh, uh-

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  A big three.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  Big three. Sometimes you win with a big one. And just a psycho killer comes in and crushes everybody, right? So I, I think, I think the 2028 campaign's gonna be very different, because the guy you're going up against is not Trump. But at the same time, the part that you have to be very, very careful with, I have guys that, that try to be way too diplomatic. You know what ends up happening to them? They get crushed. You really do. People need to know your position, where you are. Because if you don't know the position, I walk into a room and I'm like, I don't really know where that guy stands. So if I don't know where you stand, I don't know where to go with you. And, and there is an element of power there for that individual, but not the power to win at the highest level.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  You can't. Trump made it clear. I'm not this, this, rhinos this, bullshit this, this, this, this, this, this, this. And then you went up there. You know, some people call us and say, hey, Pat, you know, gotta be careful, man, you're in Florida. You don't wanna call anybody out in Florida that could end up being your governor. I'm going based on my values. I don't need any of these guys. I'm not, I'm not trying to do what I'm doing because, so, and to me, that vibe I got was Trump. Trump was like, no, here's what I stand for. I'm, I don't need you. I don't need to be scared of walking on eggshells for you. Who are you? He kinda went up. So I, I, I don't, I don't know this idea of- You know, uh, uh, the, the relationships and how this gonna pan out. Are you thinking like you're gonna be on stage?

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  And you're there and Tucker's camp is there and they support you as well as conservatives? Who don't like what he stands for? You think that percentage outweighs the other one? I don't know. Yeah, I, I, I watched the, the Stephen Miller's wife who runs this podcast. She does a pretty good job, by the way. She asked Marco Rubio.

• 1:20:21Speaker 03

  And his wife.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  I, whether it was this interview or another one, it was one of the ones where Marco Rubio was asked about Trump. And then he says, look, politics is nasty and you compete and he says certain things. But let me tell you what happened with me. The moment I started working with Trump, I just realized how great of a man he was and how he kept this word and how he was good to all of us and how he was this and how he was that. And you know, you kind of sit there, you're like, well, is that what JD's strategy is? I don't know. I don't understand what's gonna be happening here. I just wonder if in his mind, he's trying to keep everybody happy to run. And unfortunately, if there is no other contender, that strategy could work for him. Because he may be thinking to himself, you know what's the biggest gift JD needs?

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• 1:22:50Speaker 03

  Marco Rubio doesn't run?

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  Marco Rubio doesn't run.

• 1:22:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, Trump's endorsement.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is it.

• 1:22:55Speaker 03

  I think it's Marco Rubio.

• 1:22:56Speaker 01

  Look what DeSantis just did. DeSantis just endorsed Byron Donalds, even though DeSantis said Byron Donalds should debate the lieutenant governor and everybody else. He just endorsed him. Why? Cause he asked to. What's, what choice do you have?

• 1:23:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  What choice do you have? You have to endorse the guy, right? So it's coming. So Byron Donalds kind of got away without having to do the debates and getting all the heat. He avoided, but he's, he's a debate dodger. You can't, you can't say, you can't dispute that. He's a debate dodger, right? You know, and so is this, is this gonna be Rubio's, uh, uh, JD's strategy is gonna be, oh dude, I'm gonna only do two primary debates. And if that, because I'm gonna have such a massive lead where JD's biggest goal between now and primary is what? One goal. Anything and everything for one man not to run. And for that one man not to run is who?

• 1:23:47Speaker 03

  Marco Rubio.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  Is Marco. If Marco doesn't run, JD Vance equals Byron Donalds. I don't need to debate.

• 1:23:53Speaker 03

  Good point.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  I don't need to debate. So watch if he even makes the case to say he's only gonna debate once. Which by the way, JD doesn't have to worry about debating. He's a fricking phenomenal debater. I don't think it's like he has to worry about the debates and the callouts. And it's not like he has a lot of crazy shit that people can call him out on. You know, what are they gonna say? He's got a good life, good wife, family, values. What are you gonna say to JD? It's not like he has a rap sheet. He doesn't have that, right? So to me, I, I, I think, I think JD's biggest strategy is if I go up against anyone on the left, I can handle AOC. I can handle this. I can handle that. He's just gotta convince repu-, he's gotta convince one Republican not to run. And that's Marco Rubio.

• 1:24:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:35Speaker 01

  That's his number one strategy above it all. He will never say this because they're friends. He'll never say this, but his number one goal is to make, cause the only person formidable enough to beat him is Marco Rubio.

• 1:24:47Speaker 03

  What are, what are the odds you think that Marco, Marco does run in 2028?

• 1:24:52Speaker 09

  No, you're right. This is the strategy they all use. This is what Hillary, remember she was trying to do what they call clear the decks to make sure that nobody thought they were gonna pop their head up and run.

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  Did you guys lose audio or no?

• 1:25:04Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  Okay, can you guys hear me?

• 1:25:05Speaker 03

  I can hear you.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  As long as you can hear me. Jake, I just lost audio, but if you guys can hear me, I'm good. Keep going, Tom.

• 1:25:10Speaker 09

  No, I was, and I'll let Vinnie go, but my point was very simply Hillary tried to clear the decks. And one guy on free college and a few things got a little momentum and they had to assassinate him in South Carolina. And that was Bernie Sanders.

• 1:25:25Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:25:25Speaker 09

  So the, the plan is always to clear the decks.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  So what do you, so what do you think? What do you think here?

• 1:25:29Speaker 09

  Well, I was. I agree with you.

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  Okay. Jake, I'm good. I'm good. I just, my elbow rubbed it and it lowered the audio.

• 1:25:34Speaker 09

  The biggest, the biggest deck clearing mode would be Rubio grows to go out and then they whisper at everybody else. Okay, nobody pop your head up. And because.

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  I think JD has one mission.

• 1:25:46Speaker 09

  Yep.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  Anything and everything in his power for Marco Rubio not to run because Marco is really that formidable. And by the way, to the Republicans out there, your goal should be everything and anything for Marco Rubio to run. Why? Because we need the debate. We need the better talent. And it could be JD still winning. It could be Rubio still winning, but you need that competition. We can't have this model of, oh, Byron doesn't need to debate. I hate that. Yeah, I, I wish you knew how much I hate that. Okay? I hate that. He doesn't need to debate. He's already got everybody beat. They don't need to show up.

• 1:26:28Speaker 01

  Is that really the brand of the Republican party that we even dodge each other? Maybe Lieutenant Governor Collins had a good argument. Maybe Renner, I think Paul Renner needed the eyeballs because I think he's actually talent. Fishback's got a younger audience. You're gonna say no? You don't think you fired him up even more? So I, I hope if Republicans are out there that you really want it, I hope you want that debate. I hope you want Rubio and Vance on stage. I just don't know how they're gonna handle it. It's only, cause I don't know either one of them are gonna be hardcore tack mode. You know, as Secretary of State, I think Rubio is the greatest Secretary of State of all time. I've said this on record many times. It was so easy to work with him, you know, and da, da, da, da, da.

• 1:27:06Speaker 03

  But.

• 1:27:06Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:27:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  So then what?

• 1:27:08Speaker 03

  And that's why I think, I, I, I personally, I don't know. I don't think, what are the odds that you think that Marco runs in 2000? I'm, I'm not saying that we hope.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  I, I don't know, man. I think there's a lot of talks that he's not planning on.

• 1:27:20Speaker 03

  I, that's what.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  I hope that's not good.

• 1:27:21Speaker 03

  And you know why?

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  I hope that's not.

• 1:27:22Speaker 03

  You know what I think? They're gonna put all their, oh, they're gonna put all their force behind JD Vance. And I'm telling you right now, Marco, by the way, cause how many times does Marco run for president? This will be his.

• 1:27:31Speaker 09

  Just out once in 2016.

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  So this will be his second time.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:34Speaker 03

  I don't think if, if there's a, if, if he doesn't think he's gonna win, what? He's gonna run again this one with JD being the lead and then lose again? And then what? In four years, he's gonna run again?

• 1:27:41Speaker 09

  Look, I, I, I think we're all bringing up Marco Rubio because we know what a formidable candidate he is. I think that time will come when he has to make a decision. I, I wanna bring this back to JD Vance. What percentage do you think you wanna give JD credit for Trump getting elected in 2024? What percentage do you give JD credit?

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  Zero.

• 1:28:03Speaker 09

  I agree with you. Meaning Trump, no, meaning Trump could have had any candidate and he probably would have won.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  I think Pence helped Trump more than Vance helped.

• 1:28:11Speaker 09

  In Indiana?

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  By the way, I like Vance more as a VP, but I think Pence helped Trump more become a president than Vance helped Trump.

• 1:28:18Speaker 09

  He needed that evangelical help in 2016.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:28:21Speaker 09

  You say zero, maybe it's a, maybe it's one percent, two percent. Meaning Trump would have got reelected with or without JD Vance. So, meaning JD Vance, you didn't bring anything to the table? Just don't ruin it. When you have someone like Tucker calling Trump the Antichrist, and I'm not even gonna go in on Tucker about him.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  I, I get that, cause that's personal to you.

• 1:28:41Speaker 09

  But, no, zero percent personal to me.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  But to me.

• 1:28:43Speaker 09

  It's personal, what's personal to me is loyalty. Trump brought you here and you're not loyal to Trump.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  That's not how.

• 1:28:50Speaker 09

  You're vocally more.

• 1:28:51Speaker 01

  That's not how they look at.

• 1:28:52Speaker 09

  Loyal to.

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  It's not how they look at.

• 1:28:53Speaker 09

  Tucker as your friend.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  That's not how they look at.

• 1:28:55Speaker 09

  Well, tell me how, how, how else you would look at it?

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  That's, that's, that world is so confusing. 99.9% of the world wouldn't understand that world. That, that world is a very, have you watched Brink of War?

• 1:29:08Speaker 09

  No.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  Okay, go watch it with Jeff Daniels. Just came out now, it's on Apple. You should go watch it.

• 1:29:12Speaker 09

  That's the Reagan thing?

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  That's the Reagan thing. Go about your, I, I think it is so nasty.

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  I think it's so nasty, so dirty that everybody's like, I'll apologize afterwards. I think that's the world they're in. I don't think you think it's how it is. Now, keep in mind, a principle-driven guy like me, I'm not one of these guys. I'm not. To, to me politically, that's why, you know, I'm here. But when you get on the inside, um, you know, it, it, it's a very, very different world. It's a very different world. I don't think it's as black and white as you think it is. Now, for the voter, for the voter, for the voter, um, yeah, there's a Wall Street Journal story that came out that said Trump is more worried about his legacy. And Republicans are worried about midterms. Trump doesn't care about the midterms.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  That's a story that just came out of Wall Street Journal.

• 1:30:04Speaker 03

  I think I saw it.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:05Speaker 03

  He doesn't care.

• 1:30:06Speaker 01

  Story came out. So meaning like, look, I'm doing my legacy. You guys figure out midterms. It's not my problem. It's your problem. He's at that point. And by the way, there's also a, there's also a percentage of Trump that, you know, there's also a percentage of, there's a, there's a part of Trump that, what percentage of Trump do you think he wants a Democrat to win 2028?

• 1:30:25Speaker 09

  Zero percent.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  What percentage of Trump do you think he wants JD to win versus Marco Rubio?

• 1:30:33Speaker 02

  My assumption, he's more of a Rubio guy than a JD Vance guy. That's my assumption.

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  We're gonna find that out. We're gonna find that out here soon.

• 1:30:40Speaker 03

  Can I should really?

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  Whoever can carry on his legacy better?

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  How much of a?

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  And keep that coalition alive is I think.

• 1:30:46Speaker 03

  How much of, because I haven't been hearing any, all I've been hearing is about JD and nothing really about Marco. How much do you think that the Iran war and how it's not gonna stop anytime soon is one of the deciding factors of Marco not running? Because that's gonna be a hardcore debate point, Pat, for the left. The left is gonna say, hey, no wars. We're in another forever war. Like, how much of a decision?

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  This is not, this is not Republicans against Democrats. This is not Republicans. To me, to me, it's the primary. To me, it's the primary. Because the primary dictates who wins the general. This is a primary conversation. You need Rubio in there for the primary conversation. You do. I'm worried that what happened to Florida is gonna happen to the primary. That's what I'm worried about.

• 1:31:31Speaker 03

  They're gonna just say, go.

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  I, I, I, I really, really, I'm concerned about them trying to do to Rubio, to JD, what happened with Byron Donalds.

• 1:31:41Speaker 02

  I understand your concerns. I just don't see that happening. I think you have a DeSantis out there.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  You think Rubio's gonna run?

• 1:31:46Speaker 02

  Whether Rubio runs or not, and I really want, I want him to, that guy has my unconditional support, I'll tell you.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  DeSantis doesn't stand a chance against JD.

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  I think a Ted Cruz.

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  Doesn't stand a chance against JD.

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  I think an outsider.

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  DeSantis will be JD's VP.

• 1:31:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, but what we learned from Kamala is that we don't want people anointed. We want you going through a tough primary.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  That's, and by the way, I, I hope DeSantis run. I hope Cruz runs. I hope all these guys run. What I'm trying to say is the opposite of what you're saying. I want everybody to run.

• 1:32:12Speaker 02

  I think they will. I don't think JD's gonna run on a poll.

• 1:32:14Speaker 01

  I think the one that has to run, but if JD, okay, go for it. Do the polls. So JD runs, Ted Cruz runs, DeSantis runs, Rubio doesn't run. Six months into it, what's the numbers look like?

• 1:32:26Speaker 03

  JD's.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  Go ahead.

• 1:32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, JD's is.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  What's JD's number? Go ahead.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  JD's would be very high.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  Give me a number. What do you think JD's number would be?

• 1:32:32Speaker 02

  It all depends if Trump says.

• 1:32:33Speaker 01

  I'm gonna ask the question again. Rubio doesn't run.

• 1:32:36Speaker 03

  So JD.

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  Everybody else runs that we want. What's JD's number six months into the primary?

• 1:32:43Speaker 03

  High.

• 1:32:44Speaker 01

  Give me the number.

• 1:32:45Speaker 02

  Meaning like percent.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  Is he in the twenties, thirties, forties, fifties, sixties? Where's he at six months?

• 1:32:49Speaker 02

  Forty's or fifty's.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  He doesn't need to debate more than once.

• 1:32:51Speaker 03

  Why would he?

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:53Speaker 03

  He doesn't need.

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  That's a problem.

• 1:32:55Speaker 02

  On delegates?

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  That's a problem. It's a done deal.

• 1:32:58Speaker 02

  That's right. Six months in on delegates.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  What are we talking about?

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  It could be eighty-five percent on delegates. Over.

• 1:33:03Speaker 03

  I see what you're saying.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  No, this is, this is a really, I, I hope more Republicans are talking about this. This is a real concern. Watch what happened to Florida. This is how many debates Byron Donalds in Florida did against other Republicans. Why? Why? Because what? Because he's that capable? No. Go get dirty. Playoffs has rounds. Round one, round two, round three. Then go win the championship, and he will win it. You, do you not wanna eliminate NBA playoffs and just go to the championship? No. No, that's not how any sport works, and neither does a political party. The Republicans better be careful. You better be careful, like, trying to soften up your candidates that's the chosen one. You don't know if they're the chosen ones. What if they choke?

• 1:33:49Speaker 01

  Then what? Florida flips? Oh, well, it's because of the Democrats spend more money, bullshit, bullshit. No. Play ball. Get in the arena. Fight. Do the fight. I don't know. I, I hope the right people saw this last segment. And, and the right people are, anyways, I, I hope the right people saw this.

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  I'm with you a hundred percent. And you know what I also want? I want them to think that these ideas are better than these ideas.

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  Let's move on. Let's move on to the next story. Let's move on to the next story. Uh, the next one I wanna get into is, um, LA Clippers. Let me tell you why this story I kinda like, and I got four other stories to get into, but I definitely wanna get into this LA Clippers story. So let me get this straight. The Clippers lose five first-round draft picks. Okay, Tom, I'm only going to this one because only the two of us know about the NBA. The Clippers lose five first-round draft picks. They get fined thirty million dollars, and they win zero championships. And Charles Barkley stays right, because Charles Barkley has the best quote about the Clippers. He says, I've been rich, I've been poor.

• 1:34:57Speaker 01

  I've been fat, I've been skinny. The Clippers have sucked all along. Okay? The Clippers have sucked all along. So here's the story about the Clippers that people quietly, it's just kinda almost died off a little bit. I, I think we need to revive this Clippers scandal a little bit of what happened. The NBA landmark ruling against the Clippers is now a PR headache for ESPN. On August seventeen, ESPN cited unnamed sources saying the league had no evidence Steve Ballmer funded money for, to Kawhi Leonard. Framing that setup in ESPN versus Pablo, narrative against Pablo Torre, whose Pulitzer-winning reporting on Leonard sponsored ties the NBA findings just validated.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  The NBA fined the, the team, Clippers, thirty million dollars, fined Leonard seven hundred thousand dollars, suspended Ballmer for a year. While it's, it might be accurate in awarding, the substance of the story was very misleading, says PR executive Brian McWilliams. NBA spokesperson Mike Bass said the story contains numerous and significant inaccuracies. Torre said ESPN never ran statements standing by his reporting. ESPN's Shams Karania was then criticized for saying on TV that Leonard did not have any knowledge while noting the pocket, that he pocketed tens of millions of dollars, fancied the outcome, which is starkly in contrast.

• 1:36:16Speaker 01

  And ESPN reporting, McWilliams said, "The audience just needs an explanation," added consultant Sam Goshier. Tom, thoughts on the story?

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  So I'll tell you what I think about this story. I think there's a couple things going on here, and they all stink. Uh, number one, the NBA incredibly created an even bigger distraction to move eyes away from the WNBA. A distraction in the summer of embarrassment and incompetence. Uh, number one, I think. Uh, but number two, I think they need to be careful about this. Are they sure that everybody else is clean, Pat? Are you sure? Because that was the argument by some of the, uh, players that, um, admitted in baseball what was going on with steroids. Remember that? There were some players that admitted it and said, dude, you have no idea how widespread this was.

• 1:37:01Speaker 02

  And even these players that were involved were saying, I think the league liked it because it was high-scoring, and it was excitement, and it was home runs, and we had come back from the strike. Right now, what I think, you know, people have to pay attention.

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  You people, Tom, like people. Go up again.

• 1:37:15Speaker 02

  No, I mean, the audience. The audience needs to understand.

• 1:37:18Speaker 01

  What do you mean, you people? Go ahead, continue. Yes. I'm with you. Just stay focused.

• 1:37:22Speaker 02

  You're taking me to Bernie and?

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  No, no, no. I'm just telling you, Tropic Thunder, stay focused.

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  But twelve years ago, remember Steve Ballmer got the NBA out of a ditch?

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  Donald Sterling.

• 1:37:32Speaker 02

  And Sterling had the lawyers and the ability to, to get that thing clogged in court so that they couldn't force him to sell. And they were like, crap, what do we do? Ballmer put two billion dollars in cash down. He also then, remember what else he did? He built a two-billion-dollar, uh, stadium without a penny of public money. He supported getting, uh, NBA back into Seattle. He thinks the team should be there back as soon as possible. He also supported the Sacramento Kings with what they were doing, going through things. So, is he guilty or innocent as what they're charging? I don't know. I'll leave that to the allegations of the NBA and to their, their own, you know, court as they have it.

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  But there were twenty-nine other owners, Pat, that benefited from what Ballmer did and have seen their franchises go up by billions and billions of dollars. And I think the timing of this and the public nature of this stinks. That's what I think. I wanna know, I mean, the NBA knows how to do secret suspensions, don't they? Let's not go there, but they certainly know how to do that. But this whole thing, to me, really stinks. There have been, when you do enforcement, you're trying to do things on salary cap. The creativity of owners will run faster than enforcement. That's create, that's how entrepreneurship works. It'll work faster than you can put guardrails.

• 1:38:54Speaker 02

  And what this also says is, I'll argue the other way, that the reason that they paid some of the money is because some of these players were worth it, and under the current split and collective bargaining, they couldn't get the dollars they were worth. And it only takes one owner to say, you know what? I wanna get you. I'm gonna break this, but this is the way you're gonna do it. But I think the whole thing stinks.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  Okay, by the way, so, so the, the position, the Clippers came out, the general counsel wrote out a whole thing saying this is completely unfair. Because Ballmer alone, you know how much legal fees Ballmer spent on this? Fifty million dollars of just legal fees on this, okay? On top of that, if you remember, there was a company.

• 1:39:30Speaker 02

  Just to start.

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  That was an LA company that the Clippers came allegedly and said, hey, you give, so they did a sponsorship deal with, uh, Kawhi Leonard. I don't know what the company's name was.

• 1:39:40Speaker 02

  It was an A.

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  Inspiration, aspiration, something like that.

• 1:39:43Speaker 02

  Aspiration.

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  Aspiration, and they gave a twenty-eight-million-dollar endorsement deal to Kawhi Leonard, but guess what happened to this aspiration company? They went bankrupt. So, so wait a minute, what are you talking about? So, they lose, this five years of first-round draft pick, if the Clippers flip and say, oh, really? You're gonna do this to us? No problem. The Clippers now go hire investigators. You don't think they've already done that? They're gonna go in, indirectly drop stories on three, five, ten other organizations that have done this with different players. And so, if this goes through, and this is public humiliation like this to the Clippers? I think what Tom is saying is correct. You could have a few other teams in the next six, 12, 24 months. That may be dealing with a similar story like this, if not worse.

• 1:40:27Speaker 09

  How about all the Golden State Warrior players?

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  Oh, wait. You mean to tell me other people haven't creatively found a way to funnel money to players? Really? You don't remember how Magic Johnson got 5% equity in the Lakers 40 years ago? I don't know what the number was, but he got equity in the Lakers. This is pre, like you couldn't do it anymore. But I think Magic got a ton of equity in the Lakers because everybody wanted Magic Johnson. And Jerry Buss helped him. What was it? Yeah, Magic Johnson sold his 4.5% stake in the Lakers, October 2020, for roughly 27 to 30 million dollars. By the way, you know what that 4.5% would have been worth today? 500 million dollars. Actually, no, 600 million dollars today. Because it's 4.5% on 12 billion dollars.

• 1:41:06Speaker 03

  Why'd he sell it?

• 1:41:07Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 1:41:07Speaker 03

  Why'd he sell?

• 1:41:08Speaker 01

  Because he, probably at the time, it was a lot of money when he sold it. He didn't know if it was going to get this high. Adam, thoughts on this?

• 1:41:13Speaker 09

  Yeah, I mean, look, look, there's what?

• 1:41:16Speaker 01

  No, no, go ahead, keep going.

• 1:41:18Speaker 09

  Look, I think, I feel like teams always come up with creative ways to basically defer compensation. Did I miss something?

• 1:41:24Speaker 03

  He goes, go ahead with your amateur.

• 1:41:29Speaker 09

  Listen, you know.

• 1:41:30Speaker 03

  Didn't even catch it, it just went.

• 1:41:31Speaker 09

  It went woof.

• 1:41:33Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, that's so freaking.

• 1:41:34Speaker 09

  Look, you remember when the Mets, they signed, I think, Bobby Bonilla to like a 20-year contract? And like, they paid him like a million dollars a year?

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  They're still paying him.

• 1:41:44Speaker 09

  They're still paying him. There's creative ways to have deferred compensation or workarounds or circumvent the situation. But you know, the bottom line is, you want to have an ROI on your investment. Right? So if you're going to do these things, these shady things, these questionable things, these potentially illegal things, you're actually going to want to have some sort of return on your investment that actually shows, wow, we won a championship. Wow, we really did well. The Clippers sells to perennial losers. The Clippers are the antithetical Achilles heel of the Lakers. And I'm using Achilles heel as a reason, shout out to Kobe right there. The Clippers have done all this to just become bigger losers. That's the bigger problem I have.

• 1:42:28Speaker 09

  Now, we're going to find out exactly what happens here. I think still Ballmer is, I think, banned for a year. He has to pay 30 million dollars. But the challenge that I have is, are you telling me Kawhi is basically getting off scot-free here? He's paying how much? 700,000 dollars? Stephen A. Smith, shout out to him, came to the vault with his team. He basically said, this is ridiculous. Kawhi Leonard should either be suspended for the year without pay, because I think he's making about 40, 50 million dollars a year, or he can pay, can play and actually make no money this year. But to play an entire year and basically have, only get to lose 700,000 dollars, to me is absurd. Because are you telling me that Kawhi Leonard had no clue what was going on here?

• 1:43:12Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:43:13Speaker 09

  That he's innocent here?

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  I'm so with you.

• 1:43:14Speaker 09

  To me, that's BS. And then on top of that, the load management. Talking about ROI, the guy didn't even play.

• 1:43:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so, by the way, this isn't.

• 1:43:21Speaker 09

  That's my amateur take.

• 1:43:22Speaker 01

  This has happened, there was these, this has happened in the past before. And it happened with, if you remember with Joe Smith, Minnesota with Kevin McHale, they had this deal. They fired him 3 and 1/2 million dollars because they said, we're going to give you 86 million dollars. Hush, hush, take the smaller contract, kind of like what Otani they did with the Dodgers. But Dodgers did it in the open. They cheat in the open, which is respectful. They say it publicly.

• 1:43:44Speaker 09

  That's the way Tom does it.

• 1:43:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, they say it openly, the way they decided, they did the contract to win the back-to-back. And we'll see what happened this year. By the way, both Judge and Otani are injured right now, so.

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  Judge has been hurt since May 31st.

• 1:43:56Speaker 01

  It's just, Rice has done a good job, shout out to him. But here's what I'll say. The Minnesota Timberwolves, when they went through this, they lost draft picks. Then they lowered it. So they were supposed to lose five, they ended up only losing two. So I do think as their lawyers comes back to the NBA, because you know what five first-round draft picks means? You don't even have anything to trade for. You're crushed.

• 1:44:20Speaker 09

  You're perennial basement.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  Crushed on what you could do, but we'll see.

• 1:44:24Speaker 09

  Because if your team isn't good and you don't have first-round draft picks.

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  And Ballmer was the kind of an owner that actually goes to the games like Cuban.

• 1:44:30Speaker 09

  That's right.

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  He sits on the side, so now you're suspended for one, you can't even go to the games? I don't know, I don't know what happens.

• 1:44:35Speaker 09

  So who do you put this on? You put this on Steve Ballmer?

• 1:44:38Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:44:39Speaker 09

  Because I think Lawrence Frank is, was their president of basketball operations. I think he's also suspended for another.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  Everything rises and falls on the owner. I mean, what else?

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  The buck stops there, but let me point one thing out. The NBA is kicking a guy, is, they just kicked Steve Ballmer in the groin. And he's a guy with steel balls who went up against the freaking United States of America versus Microsoft. And let the, and let the US government kick him in the balls. And he wasn't wearing a cup and he got through all of it. So this guy, and by the way, and by the way, I'll tell you something else. Who's the wealthiest owner in the NBA?

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  Ballmer.

• 1:45:16Speaker 02

  By what factor? Who's number two?

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  10x, 5x. He's worth, he's worth almost 200 billion, 150 billion.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  Dan Gilbert of the Cleveland Cavaliers, 32.

• 1:45:26Speaker 09

  Yeah, he's a 100 billion dollar.

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  He's the, not only is he the alpha, the other owners should be getting behind this guy.

• 1:45:34Speaker 03

  Can I make one, just very, very, because you know me, I'm more of, you know, soccer, baseball, football. I just, because you just pointed something out, I have to do this. Like, I just want to point out how superior Pat's NBA analysis is over yours.

• 1:45:48Speaker 01

  I appreciate that.

• 1:45:48Speaker 03

  It's night and, like, it's shocking. Adam, like, and I love you to death, it's like night and day.

• 1:45:54Speaker 09

  Let me tell you something, Vinny, there's things that hurt me. I try not to read the comments. This pierced my heart.

• 1:45:59Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry.

• 1:46:00Speaker 09

  This ball pierced my heart.

• 1:46:01Speaker 03

  He's so good.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  Let's go to the next one. All right, let's go to the next one. This next one is Venezuela. Okay, at first, when we all woke up and you saw Maduro was taken, and he's in DC with the pictures and everything, you're like, wait, that quickly they took over Maduro? They did. Then you hear this deal. And you sit there and say, well, this is pretty ridiculous deal. Trump hails biggest oil deal in world history with Venezuela. Look, you got to give the man credit on this one, on what he just did. And I'll tell you why this is so important here in a minute, but let me read it to you. President Trump said Friday that the US struck a deal with Venezuela to take control of oil fields,

• 1:46:43Speaker 01

  holding 65 billion barrels of resource right in the United States of America. Has just entered into an agreement with the country of Venezuela on the biggest oil deal in world history. Not US history, world history. A source described the arrangement as a public-private partnership among the US private companies and Venezuela. It's not a purchase, they're giving us equity. A US government source said, adding the US would take, would get off, take oil, guarantee crude exchange at cost. The Pentagon Office of Strategic Capital would oversee it. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who negotiated the interim President Delcy Rodriguez, called it a huge one, promising nearly 100 billion dollars in private investments for Venezuela.

• 1:47:25Speaker 01

  Rodriguez said the deal means 209 billion dollars in additional tax revenue for her country. Administration officials initially disagreed on whether it was finalized, but after Rodriguez's statement once said, it's going to happen, it's just a question of when. And this led Chevron to invest 7 billion to double its Venezuelan output. And at first, if you remember, the Chevron CEO was a little bit skeptical. He said, no, we're going to invest 7 billion dollars over five years to more than double its Venezuelan crude output. The largest commitment yet by US-led revival of the country's oil industry. It won rights to develop the Carabobo 1 and Carabobo 2 South A fields in the Orinoco belt, besides the joint venture.

• 1:48:07Speaker 01

  So this is, we're building very formidable position in what we consider to be some of the best geology in the country. CEO Mike Worth said, this is multiple billions of barrels of resource in place. Chevron expected about 600 billion barrels a day by 2031. That costs under 20 dollars a barrel versus roughly 91 Brent. Tom, why is this such a big deal?

• 1:48:30Speaker 02

  This is such a big deal because you know what Trump just did? Trump just pulled to China on the rest of the world. Everybody talks about China and says, hey, they don't think short-term, they think long-term. We've talked about this, Pat, right? They think long-term. Trump just thought long-term. This is going to have an effect, but it's not going to have an effect on Tuesday. What does Joe Biden do? He rapes the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, throwing oil out on the market to get the pricey gas down, running into 2024 election, and it didn't work. That is a short-term move that hurts. We still haven't real fit, we still haven't filled up the SPR, refilled it yet. Well, guess what? This is a long-term play. It's going to take, as it says, Chevron is putting the money in,

• 1:49:12Speaker 02

  but it's going to take one or two years to start getting more of it out. But what was hidden in here is they're expecting 600,000 barrels a day by 2031, which is not that long coming, at 20 dollar a barrel extraction cost, Pat. 20 bucks a barrel. Why? Because they're going to build new mining and.

• 1:49:33Speaker 01

  This is 93 Brent. Tom, let me ask you a question. How much of this has to do with, you know, Iran? And let me explain what I mean by this. You put these heavy sanctions on Iran. Iran's economy is getting hurt tremendously. Behind closed doors, they hit a couple of our ships, right? Over the weekend, I think in the last few days. And what did Trump do? Did you see what Trump posted yesterday, which video? Did you see the video Trump posted yesterday, what would happen to Carg Island if we bombed Carg Island?

• 1:50:03Speaker 03

  Was it yesterday?

• 1:50:04Speaker 01

  Have you guys seen this video or no? Can you post, yeah, this is us getting hit, okay? At the Strait of Hormuz. And, but Trump posted a video, if you can go to the video of Trump saying, what would happen if Carg Island was hit? Can you go to the clip of Carg Island clip that he just posted? Yeah, I mean, so this is, this is legit stuff of what they did. But Trump goes and says, here's, just with Carg Island. Yeah, there you go, Carg Island. He posted a video showing, look at, look at these damages. Bye-bye, Carg. He just did this, okay? So showing, we're about to attack you, what are you going to do? And this video is a lot longer, this is just one of the clips that he posted. There's another one as well. If you go back, you can find another one. There's a couple of these that they posted.

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  Go back, go lower a little bit, go lower a little bit. That's the one right there. He just posted a bunch of them, Vinny. Okay, he's been posting these the last week, left and right, left and right. Do you think a part of this, Tom, has to do to call China and say, China, I know the 8% you rely of the oil you get from Iran, we got you. I'm going to score this away for you and I'm going to get it for you at a cost. So you're going to save some money, maybe we'll make a nickel on it, maybe we'll make 5, 10 dollars. Maybe we'll sell it at 30 bucks, okay, instead of at 20 bucks.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  Do you think a part of that is also being played here or not at all? There's no correlation between the two?

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  I think it absolutely is. This is, this is 3D chess. The first thing is now long-term, we've got more reserves coming in. What also is happening here, people got to take a look at these numbers that are going to be going into infrastructure in Venezuela. $209 billion in tax revenue for the company to build water pumping that works 24 hours a day, maybe electrical power stations that work 24 hours a day, maybe, and to rebuild what was once a very proud country. And now I think that's first layer of chess. Second layer of chess, China needs oil. And if there is a permanent destabilization of Iran or Carg Island needs to be rebuilt over a couple

• 1:52:08Speaker 02

  of years, hint, hint, what you're talking about, Pat, that hurts China. And then you go to China and I've always felt that the best way to pay off our national debt was to drill an ANWR and sell to China at below world market, but at a profit over extraction. And now slowly pay off our debt and make China pay off our debt. And China is part of the reason we have the debt here in terms of trade and balance and things. So I think there's 3D chess going on and there is a big number going on with China. If you put your foot on the hose on one side and become a major energy exporter on the other side, then you can, you can balance your relationship a little bit more with China. And everybody's going to get in the comments and say, no, no, no, China's going the back

• 1:52:53Speaker 02

  door to do this. Really? You can only go in the back door if there's still a backyard. And if Carg Island is disrupted, then there may be a back door for China, but there's still a backyard full of oil.

• 1:53:04Speaker 01

  Well, while you're saying there's no back door, Xi hasn't visited the Middle East since 2022 and he just visited Egypt. He just got to Egypt. So, yeah.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  You don't think they're trying? They're trying.

• 1:53:15Speaker 01

  Well, in Egypt is different. It could be a statement of saying, hey, we're not relying on the Gulf states because the Gulf states are all with Trump and he's kind of worried. This is his way of maybe showing like, hey, Iran, I can't go to Iran. If he goes to Iran, it's public saying I'm with Iran. If he does that, there's no question about it. But going to Egypt as a back channel to say, hey, we're still having some relationships with Iran, a way of showing it. But I do think there's something with this that has to do with China and Iran. Because behind closed doors, if the US is trying to destroy Iran's economy and put that kind of pressure on them, you have to make the phone call to China, make China right for them to be okay with it. Because if you, you don't get that relationship right, you're kind of screwed, Adam.

• 1:53:56Speaker 09

  Yeah, you know, people say the, the term 3D chess with, with Trump. I use a different term, which is sequencing, which you always use. Because if you play this out, what did Trump basically say that he's going to do day one that he got into office? He's going to drill, baby drill. So just follow the sequencing of what he did. He basically, uh, the, he declared a national emergency with our oil situation. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which is based in the Gulf Coast of Texas and Louisiana. So what did he do? He changed the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, symbolic and literal for our Strategic Oil Reserve. Then he basically said, Alaska, I'm going to have you start drilling up there, over there. Get into everything that's going Alaska.

• 1:54:41Speaker 09

  Then he implemented the Don Ro doctrine. He said, before we do anything with Iran, let's focus on the Western Hemisphere. All right, we're going to, we're going to take down the Panama Canal. And we're, and before we do anything in Iran, we're going to go basically capture Maduro and take over Venezuela. Who's been running Venezuela since the beginning of the year? Well, it's the viceroy, they call Marco Rubio, just another little costume that Marco Rubio can put on. So then before they even went to Iran, they locked down our Strategic Petroleum Reserve. They basically produced more oil, they controlled the supply, they're pumping oil internally there. And they said, all right, before we even go into Iran, let's make sure that we have everything. What do they say? Bury the hatchet or?

• 1:55:26Speaker 03

  Of all your ducks in order?

• 1:55:27Speaker 09

  No, when you, when you basically hold down the hatchet, whatever they call it with that. He basically secured everything in our hemisphere. Said, before we go over to Iran, uh, we're good to go. So as much as we give Trump, we call, we call him like an irrational actor. Some people basically say he's a crazy man. It seems as if it was all strategic sequencing from day one, from drill, baby drill, all the way till Iran.

• 1:55:53Speaker 03

  I'm at 65 billion barrels. How long would that last us? Tom, how long would that last? 65 billion, like we're good.

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  No, yeah, because you have to think about it this way. I believe our usage is 21 million barrels a day, I think is our usage. And I think our self-creation, our drilling is 14 million barrels a day. So we have a net of six that we get from other places. However, not all of that 14 million is usable here. So we actually sell it abroad and then we own the national, natural gas market. We're providing 60% of natural gas to Europe. And so now what you do, when some of this comes in like this, good Lord, you know, you're talking about billions and billions.

• 1:56:33Speaker 01

  I think this is big. I think this is.

• 1:56:34Speaker 02

  This is huge.

• 1:56:35Speaker 01

  I think this is big and, and I, and I, I, I hope they, I hope there's an intention with Iran in mind because every day that goes by is one less day Iran has to deal with Trump. Every day if JD gets elected or AOC gets elected, Iran's free. And so when you have this much pressure on Iran, this long, everybody in the world realize dealing with Iran is a lot more complicated than you think. It's not Venezuela. They have their shit together. They've been ready for this for a long time. The chances of you creating this level of tension again could take a very, very long time. So if you're here, you're going to do it, you might as well get it done. Let me get to the next story.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  Next story I want to get to is a story of a father who is out there. I'll read the story to you. Can you pull up this clip, please? Father of daughter, made by illegal alien, slams Democrat. There's no way you guys are sorry. The way he breaks this down says, you guys act like you're sorry, but none of you guys called me. Is this that clip, by the way, that he says, none of you guys called me? Can you guys put a thumbs up there in the back? Okay, go for it. Watch this clip, folks.

• 1:57:44Speaker 23

  When I took my daughter in at nighttime, she's not a Republican, she's not a Democrat. She's seven years old.

• 1:57:51Speaker 23

  And there's hundreds of them.

• 1:57:54Speaker 23

  How is that okay? How are you guys not fighting for this? Right here, how are you guys not fighting for this?

• 1:58:02Speaker 23

  I, I, I reject your guys' sympathy, to be honest with you. There's no way you guys are sorry. Not one of you guys have ever called me.

• 1:58:09Speaker 03

  Look at Jamie Raskin.

• 1:58:10Speaker 23

  Have ever reached out to me. Not one of you guys have ever sat there and seen me in the hallways and said, hey, sorry about your daughter. You guys do it right here while you guys are grandstanding on top of your soapbox. This is when you guys care.

• 1:58:22Speaker 03

  Wow. I, I, by the way, this is a, he goes on for like three, four minutes and it's so uncomfortable because he's absolutely right. None of them care, but when they're in that room, it's, oh my God, we are so sorry, we're so sorry. And mind you, how many times for, for a year, two years?

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  By the way, she's permanently disabled.

• 1:58:39Speaker 03

  Permanently disabled.

• 1:58:40Speaker 01

  June 2024.

• 1:58:41Speaker 03

  Because an illegal in his car crashed into her, uh, uh, disabled innocent from a truck driven by an undocumented immigrant, illegal, uh, and crashed into her and then she's permanently paralyzed because of, because of them. And I love it, Pat. It needs to be more of those moments where you call them out to their faces. It was four minutes of just awkwardness and they need to be exposed. They need to be, because all of them are just sitting there and have nothing to say. Because everything always reverts to, oh, again, Trump and TDS and it's every person's, you know, we have to care for everybody, but these are the actual stories. His daughter's never going to walk again because this guy wasn't here because the left likes to have these people come in here because they're a part of their voting block. Good, I'm happy for him. That's one of the best clips I've seen all.

• 1:59:25Speaker 02

  Tom? I think what you have here is when you protect your voting blocks and you refuse to criticize and you refuse to reach right-minded conclusions about what's happening in, right in front of you, this is what you get. You get Jamie Raskin and Jay Powell's sitting there saying nothing. Because that hearing that they're going through is not a hearing for them to conduct. It's just an hour for them to get through because they're not going to criticize illegal aliens coming to United States. They're not going to criticize California's lackadaisical standard that gave some of them, um, uh, C licenses, which stands for commercial license to drive a truck.

• 2:00:10Speaker 02

  They're not going to talk about the truck that made a U-turn with two illegal aliens in it and a SUV with a family in it was slaughtered when he made a U-turn directly across a 70 mile an hour highway. They're not going to talk about that. They're going to protect the voting block. And by how they protect the voting block here is they don't say anything, Jamie Raskin. They just sit there, just, just stalled. And this is what sickens me. In pursuit of a voting block, they give up a country.

• 2:00:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm with it, Adam.

• 2:00:40Speaker 09

  I remember a time when there was really no major clear distinction between Republicans and Democrats. I remember when the first time I voted was in 2000 was Al Gore versus, uh, Bush. And I remember being like, what's the difference between Republicans and Democrats? 25 years later, you're, you're talking two fundamentally totally different parties. And if there's one thing that you can differentiate between what Trump and MAGA stands for and what the modern Democratic Party controlled by the DSA stands for, it comes down to one thing, and that is this open border situation. It turns out this open border thing that Biden was doing, oh my God, I don't know how we're going to control it. Trump shut that thing down in one day.

• 2:01:22Speaker 09

  And now illegal border crossings is basically at, at, at nothing at this point. And these are the ramifications, the consequences of what happens back when you let, I don't know, 10 plus million people in the country? So when we say elections have consequences, this is exactly what we're talking about right here.

• 2:01:39Speaker 01

  And it could be very crazy in 2028, folks. It could be a very different America. We could be doing a podcast in 2028, 2029 in a very different climate and I'm not even kidding.

• 2:01:50Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 2:01:50Speaker 01

  In a very different climate. Okay, up with some good stories. Tiger Woods changes plea in DUI case, driver's license suspended for five years. And I think that's actually a good story. Tiger Woods pleaded no contest in his DUI case Wednesday in Florida court, accepting a five-year driver's license suspension as part of a plea deal. The first charge was amended to reckless driving, second offense. And then the, and the second to careless driving with suspensions running concurrently. The suspension is for the safety of the public. There's no exceptions. If you were to drive for any reason at all, you would go immediately back to jail. Woods was arrested March 27 after a rollover crash on Jupiter Island and won. No one was injured. Authorities said he clipped the truck's trailer while passing,

• 2:02:32Speaker 01

  tipping his SUV. The two hydrocondone pills were found in his pants pocket. The affidavit said a breathalyzer shows no alcohol, but Woods refused a urine test. So, you know, this is not a story I want to spend a lot of time on. I love Tiger Woods. I think Tiger was one of those guys that you just loved watching his story and seeing go from who he was as a kid to winning to the incredibly disciplined family he was raised in. From a young age, it was on Johnny Carson Golf and people like, who was this two-year-old kid hitting the golf ball the way he did? And if you've ever seen his documentary, there's two different Tigers. There's the extremely psycho-competitive Tiger that wants

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  to kill you. And there's the lighthearted, fun, chill child that just wants to be a kid and enjoy himself. I was in a poker tournament one time with Tiger with him, Russell Westbrook, and Phil Hallmuth, and a bunch of different guys. Ortiz was there. And, you know, I had a conversation with Tiger. We're sitting there having a conversation, taking it. I'm like, this guy does not look, he looks like he's in a ton of pain. Like, you looked at his face, you're having a conversation with him, you could tell the man is in a ton of pain. It comes a certain time in your life where you seriously should not drive. You seriously shouldn't be driving. The world's a better place without Tiger Woods driving.

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  And by the way, that includes for his own family. You're a billionaire. You have the money. And you know, like personalities like me, Vinny, I like to drive. I like to get up in a car and go. I don't want to just sit there and wait. Well, just guess what? Have the driver stay in the car all day. Anytime you want to go, let him just take you. Wherever you want to go. And there's an element of privacy when you're driving. You know what I'm saying? Like, you just, you want a bit of privacy to yourself. Make it as private as you want in the back. Get some kind of a nice limo where the back is so private that the driver cannot hear who you're talking to, what you're doing, any of that stuff. Sometimes if you're with a driver, they know exactly. If I'm on the road driving with a driver, they can hear anything and everything. You don't have the kind of a privacy. But I'm glad this is happening. I'm happy for him. And I actually think his

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  family's also probably happy that a Tiger Woods is not going to be driving. And please, Tiger, whatever you're doing, so many people love you and care for you sincerely. Don't try to do this. And we have to see a video of you going to jail because the judge already told you, if you drive, you're going to jail. Don't risk it. I know there's certain personalities of ours, we like to break rules and we think we can get away with stuff. I don't know the last time Trump drove. There's a video of Trump driving in his blue Lamborghini and he's telling his son, look, everybody loves me. And Don Jr. told the story. They're flipping off my dad and my dad saying, Don, look, everybody loves me. Everybody loves me. I think you're at that level. They just got to go enjoy yourself, be with your family, do your thing. If you come back to golf, awesome, great, we'll celebrate. If not, you're

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  in a league of your own and a good support around you, which sounds like you obviously have it. You have support from the president all the way at the top. You're friends with them. A ton of people are rooting for you. That would be my feedback to Tiger. I'm kind of glad he's not going to be doing that. Tom?

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  I'll be real quick. I get annoyed with the media. They love to see a celebrity and then they love to throw things into the story and they're saying, hydrocodone was found in his pocket. Hydrocodone is a painkiller. And he has got excruciating pain in his knee and his ankle when he's warming up. Apparently, it takes a while to get them, get those going in the morning. And these are painkillers that he has on a prescription basis for that pain. He's an athlete that's got residual pain. He's also had injuries to that knee that, and it just kind of disgusts me that people don't see a person. First of all, it's good that he's not driving. Get a driver, Tiger. And all the golf jokes about drivers, set them aside. Get yourself a professional driver that can go with you. But to the rest

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  of you that see the little bits in there, this is, you know, he's prescribed these things. And so, we want to make it like he's some junkie or something.

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  I'm not trying to make a joke out of this.

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  I don't make it a joke. No, I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the media likes to grab it and connect dots.

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  You're Tiger. You're going to. Look, he already knows. You're the greatest of all time. Without your injuries, you would have passed the Jack Nicklaus record. Everybody knows this. The run that he had was second to none. But, Adam.

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  I'll just say two things. One good, one bad. The bad, there is zero excuse for Tiger to be behind the wheel. At these days, the ability to take an Uber for someone who just makes minimum wage, much less have, being a millionaire, much less be a person worth a half a billion dollars, there's zero excuse. You have zero leniency from me. Thank God he didn't kill himself. Thank God he didn't kill someone else. Zero leniency. You see, you see incidents like Tony Romo last month, or with Justin Timberlake last year. Double dump. At the same time, if there's anybody in need of an image makeover, of a new PR person, a new everything all around him, for new opportunities, it's Tiger Woods. Tiger

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  Woods is one of the most beloved athletes of all time. And America loves a comeback story. And I think nothing that we would love to see more than Tiger get his shit together and have a comeback.

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  It's just the next phase. Go be the father, help your son become, you know, go play a different role in life. You've done your part. It's time to move on. I want to show you guys a clip here. And then maybe we'll wrap up on this. And we'll finish it up. Is, you know, I'm 47 years old. At 47 years old, God's given me an incredible life. I've had dinner with some of the most interesting people in the world. I've had conversations with, my phone rings and sometimes I have no clue who's going to call me. And all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, okay. Very weird phone calls you get at this phase. Had the calls, had the jewelry, had the house, had everything. All the stuff that you want to experience. It's been an incredible life. The family, all of it. Rick Warren, who wrote the book Purpose Driven Life, which I think sold 50 million copies, okay? He's given

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  a commencement speech at a university. What do you call those speeches when you give at a university?

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  Commencement speech, you're right.

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  Commencement speech at a university. And he explains to these students what matters the most. He says, I've been bedside by thousands of people who have died or took their last breath. That's an incredible amount of wisdom and experience while you're there with people who are about to die. I want you to listen to this. I want you to listen to this. Because I think we need to be reminded of this more often. Go for it.

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  I've stood at the bedside of maybe thousands of people as they took their last breath. What people say in their final moments is pretty important. They don't mess around. When people are dying in their last words, nobody has ever said, Pastor Rick, bring me my trophies. I want to look at them one more time. Or even bring me my college graduation certificate. I want to look at it one more time. When people are dying and they know their time is short, what they want in the room is not things or trophies or achievement.

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  What they want are the people they love. Eventually, we all eventually figure out that it's all about love. It's all about relationships. I just pray you'll figure it out a whole lot sooner. That it's not about achievement. That it's not about fame. That it's not about fortunes. That it's not about all the things that you dream of accomplishing in life. Those are great goals. But Paul says, without love, I am nothing. I am a sounding brass and tinkling cymbal. If I have not love, I'm nothing.

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  What a powerful.

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  I love that.

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  What a powerful. By the way, you know what's crazy? We're at the vault and we're having these conversations. At one moment, I'm interviewing Mayweather. Mayweather's like, how do you know that guy's name? How do you know that guy's name? We're doing a Q and A session. I don't know if you remember that or not.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, those are my guys. Those are my guys.

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  And I said, those are my guys. What am I going to tell you? And there's this one thing on Instagram that when you add the sound to it, you know how you add the sound? And this is one of my favorite ones. Listen.

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  I don't have a favorite place. I have my favorite people. And whenever I'm with my favorite people, that place becomes my favorite.

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  Dude, I've gone to the world's craziest places with people that I didn't enjoy their company. I was miserable. And I've gone to frickin' Chipotle with my favorite people in the world. And I'm happier there than I was happier being in frickin', you know, take a country to go to that everybody wants to go to. People matter. Your relationships matter. And as you age, there is nothing like building the right community. It is on us to do it. And by the way, this is also something we have to do for ourselves, for our kids.

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  You know, the goal in life is for you to build a good community around your kids. When we go to dinner and Bailey's in town and she's telling me what's going on with her at Rice and what she wants to do next on law school and seeing the kids talking and Tom's telling me yesterday, he calls me how protective she is of Tico and her, you know, that's like their younger brother because they hang out with each other. That's the community. We just talked about earlier when we tell them some of these stories about, you know, what if this person's values were this, what if that person's values were that, were you good with your kids being around them? Some of the most important things you'll do in life. It's gotta be in your top three list, top five list, is finding the right community

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  of people you love, whom you feel safe to, that you can say anything, you know it's not gonna leak. You know it's gonna stay amongst you, you know they're gonna defend you, you know they're gonna protect you, you know they're not gonna cross the cardinal rules of wife, daughter, kids, family disrespect, you know, all that. You can have all the money in the world and you don't have that, you're broke. In my eyes, you have to water those relationships. There is nothing like it. There's nothing like it. You know, I always say, people make fun of me, I almost want to change my Twitter profile and just say I'm a numbers guy. So that's a numbers guy, I'm a numbers guy, I'm a numbers guy.

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  I love two things, man, I love people and I love numbers. It was my thing when I went into the financial industry and this, this year's Vault Conference was very emotional. It was something different. You know this, behind the scenes, all the stuff that we did. It was a very different kind of an event. And if you were there, we shared, we shared a magical, magical bond together. We laughed, we cried, all of it. It was phenomenal. Folks, whatever you do, just go find the right community for the sake of your kids, yourself. Sometimes we don't think about

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  how big of a role a community plays. You know, when Stephen A. were having lunch, one of the days, I don't know where we were at, you were still selling merch because you, people were coming to you left and right.

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  Yeah.

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  We're having lunch with Stephen A. and his whole crew is there and his daughter got into USC. And a pretty, pretty, very cool school program that she got into. And hey, she says, hey dad, I did my part. I got my 4.0 plus GPA. Now it's on you to do your part. And Stephen A.'s got a community, so he can make a phone call and have some of that stuff. So imagine if you have relationships like this, protect this community. Long-term, it could be the impact for your kids. You're gonna need that one phone call. It's very, by the way, you will be judged by friends you keep. I'll never forget, one time I was on Grant Cardone's podcast and he said something, he's talking to one of our guys, Paul Escarsago, Paulie. Paulie's a funny guy, man, but he says, never marry a shrimp.

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  And Paul's like, what are you talking about? He says, never marry shrimp. Paul's confused at this time. And then we start talking about marriage. He says, you know, half the battle is you can marry somebody like me, but he says, can my wife keep me? He said this. He says, you can have a great friend, but can you keep him? You can have a great wife or a husband, can you keep him? You can have a great relation, but can you keep him? The retention is happening, 80% of the job. You can get into the door, but can you keep that relationship? All the money in the world, folks, won't come close to the community you build. And for those of you guys that stayed with us on Labor Day, you should be barbecuing today. Barbecue. Should be out there like sleeping in today. Isn't that what most people do? But the crazy ones stayed with us today.

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  So from me to you, thank you for tuning in with us, especially the ones that were on for the entire time. If you just got in the last five minutes, you're not an old timer yet. You're the six o'clock in the morning type of people, Pacific Standard Time, a bunch of people are messaging saying, I didn't miss today's podcast. We appreciate you. And I want to wrap it up with this. Our Icon Collection, for those of you guys that were at the Vault, my goodness, we're gonna launch some things in the next few weeks that you haven't seen before. But this latest Icon Collection, Tom's got one of the hats on. Please play the clip of the latest FLB Icon Collection. Go for it.

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  God bless everybody. Enjoy barbecue today. Spend the time with your family. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye.

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