Arman Tsarukyan OPENS UP: UFC Title Snub, Dana White Beef & Fighting for Armenia | PBD #786

Armenian UFC contender Arman Tsarukyan explains how he built a global brand through fighting and content, his mindset on discipline and money, and why he would take a title fight for free. He shares insights on UFC politics, fame, and his goal to become Armenia’s first champion. ------ 👍 LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE! Ⓜ️ CONNECT WITH ARMAN ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4cA75mv 🦁 SPONSOR THE VAULT 2026: ⁠https://bit.ly/4mFBPpw⁠ https://bit.ly/4mFBPpw Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠ 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US:Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:00Patrick Bet-David?

  The world knows you as a fighter, like you're an incredible fighter, entertaining fighter, feisty fighter, wrestling, all of it. But content creation, I don't know if anybody's creating better content than you today.

• 0:11Speaker 01

  You gotta take it and do it by yourself. If you fail, stand up and go try it again.

• 0:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You're the one fight nobody wants, right? You're the guy that everybody wants to delay.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  This sport is getting big because of trauma, not because of fighting, like a Kona Habib, Diaz.

• 0:28Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the next big one for you? Buddy, don't say that. Are you serious?

• 0:33Speaker 01

  They send me contract, I sign and give it back.

• 0:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Take the fight against Ilya 4-0, you take it, don't pay me nothing.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  It's okay, I'll fight for you, USA.

• 0:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Fight for you, USA! I look forward to the day we celebrate as the first Armenian UFC champion.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, so when I get the belt, I flew out here and put the belt on this table and we talk again.

• 0:53Patrick Bet-David?

  100%.

• 1:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Arman Sarukyan, how are you?

• 1:03Speaker 01

  Great, thank you. How are you?

• 1:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Very. Do we want to do this hyrenanik, tanganlenanik?

• 1:08Speaker 01

  Anglen, on English? If I don't understand, I'm gonna talk to you Armenian. So it's my first time when someone knows Armenian in English, so it's good for me.

• 1:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna be both the translator and the interviewer, which is gonna be good.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I always have my friend, he's sitting and listening to the old podcast. If I don't understand a question, I always ask him. And now I said, "Bro, today you can leave."

• 1:31Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't need the translation today.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, if I don't understand something, I'll let you know.

• 1:35Patrick Bet-David?

  I gotta tell you, I messaged you, what was it, 2 months ago, 3 months ago? I said, "Brother, what are you doing with all this content?" Of course, the world knows you as a fighter, like you're an incredible fighter, entertaining fighter, feisty fighter, wrestling, all of it. But content creation, I don't know if anybody's creating better content than you today. How did that happen?

• 1:54Speaker 01

  It's come naturally, you know. I have a good lifestyle.

• 2:00Speaker 01

  I can afford fly private jet, yachts, and I love that lifestyle and people love it too. So the nice cars when I posted like a food and so I post maybe three years ago when I was eating In-N-Out and it went viral. I had maybe like three hundred or four hundred thousand followers and it was like six, seven millions. And I said, okay, maybe people like, because I fought versus the Smogulov, I beat him, I gained like a forty thousand, forty thousand likes for the for the winning.

• 2:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Right after the fight.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, but when I posted In-N-Out, I got two hundred fifty thousand likes. I said, why I beat this guy like, and I didn't go viral and I just posted burgers and I went viral. So and I decided like to do something more with my social media. But like last half, last six months, we just crushed it and like nonstop working. And you know, I don't push myself. It's like calm, natural, and it's easy for me. So people think I have like a big team, like we just create something crazy every day thinking about like reels, what are we gonna post, this, that. It's like

• 3:18Speaker 01

  every post, almost every reel is like almost my, my, my lifestyle, you know, we don't, we just create by.

• 3:27Patrick Bet-David?

  All organic. Just kind of like, hey, why don't we do?

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, we don't think, even like Ashen Hall, he came to me and said, bro, what are we gonna do? I said, we're gonna train, do something, and they just, we just create from there. Because if we're gonna think and see, it's not gonna be natural. So calm, we wrestle, we box, we run, we eat, and then we film something.

• 3:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what's one of the ones I like? Rob, can you go back? It was, I think it was a skiing one or a snowboarding one. Keep going the other way, Rob. Keep going lower, lower. You did a snowboarding clip.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:00Patrick Bet-David?

  It's gotta come up. Keep going, keep going, keep going. It was, it was hilarious the way you posted. I don't know which one it is, if it's still going.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Oh, go down.

• 4:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Go down a little bit more, Rob.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, here.

• 4:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Right there. Click on that one. Look at this. This is the one that I commented you. Look at this.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  The last part when I

• 4:27Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the best part.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Paul.

• 4:34Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the thing. Getting the eyeballs and the attention.

• 4:47Patrick Bet-David?

  One and a half million likes, Rob, click on the views. Click on, just click on the 1.5 million. If you click on the 1.5 to the right, it'll tell you. Look at this. Uh, it doesn't tell you. I don't know how many views it is. It's in the tens of millions.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  More than 20 something millions.

• 5:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so by the way, is it at a point for you right now where?

• 5:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Because are you starting to make money doing content or not yet? Are you doing, are you getting millions of dollars sponsorship money or not yet?

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Right now, yes.

• 5:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You are now?

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, because last year I signed all my contracts. But in one month they're gonna be done and I already like, instead of like 500,000, I'm gonna make 3 million.

• 5:27Patrick Bet-David?

  3 million a month in sponsorship?

• 5:29Speaker 01

  No, no, like, I'm approximately.

• 5:30Patrick Bet-David?

  On one of the?

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I'm saying like, for example, if I made like 500,000 a year from one brand, now I'm like making 3 million, 4 million.

• 5:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, so, yeah, because if you think about like the way Jake Paul did it, or Logan did, or some of these guys did it, you're on track to being one of these guys that's gonna get, you know, 20, 30, 40, 50 million, 100 million followers. Like literally, you yourself with the way you're creating content.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, but to gain followers is not easy. You just gotta like, uh, for example, give a car for the followers and like, okay, follow me, I'm gonna give you a car. And you're gonna gain like 5 million followers. It's, it's easy, but I don't wanna do that because I'm just, who wants to follow? Not like that I'm gonna give them something. If they like my content, they, they gonna follow me. So, and, uh, uh, before, I wa, I wa, I was not thinking about, oh, I gotta make money from the social media. This, that I was just having fun, you know, and it's not my biggest goal right now to make money. So my biggest goal, enjoy my life. I enjoy my life.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  I fight, I wrestle, I, I travel around the world. Yeah, the worst thing, I don't, I don't spend too much time with my family, mom. I, I got kids, so. But uh, you know, I'm twenty-nine right now, I'm telling them when I'm gonna be thirty-six, thirty-seven. I'm not gonna like, train anymore and I'm gonna be with you all day, so you're gonna get tired from me, so enjoy your life.

• 7:01Patrick Bet-David?

  For now, until six years from now. So now, your story, I've, I've heard it from a lot of different people, you know. Uh, your story of you used to be a hockey player, and then all of a sudden you got into fighting, so maybe tell me a little bit about your upbringing.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, I was born in Georgia, we moved to Russia for the good life, you know.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  And then I went to karate, I didn't like, I like karate, but it was too far. And then I started wrestle, because it's close to my home. I start, I was starting wrestling and I could wrestle so good when I was kid. But like, my coach always tell me, you gotta cut weight, because you gotta be lighter, and I was, I was hitting this sport because of cut weight. But nowadays, if someone ask me, as a kid, kid shouldn't cut weight, because it's the worst thing ever for the kid. And I couldn't, I could not eat like, three, four days, as like, eight-years kid, can imagine like, what's.

• 7:57Patrick Bet-David?

  At eight-years-old?

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So you started training very early?

• 8:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I started six, I started training six, and from six to nine, or ten, I was like, beating everybody on the wrestling. And then when I was ten, I was playing for myself, like, from six or seven-years, I, I wrestle like, professional already, but like, I used, I, I play hockey in my backyard. With my friends, because all my classmates were hockey player. Uh, I'm from Habarovsk, it's like a cold place, place in Russia, it's like, north, north, like, the coldest place in Russia and everybody.

• 8:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Not in Armenian community?

• 8:33Speaker 01

  No, no, no, uh, not a lot of Armenian, only Russian people, so they, they play all day hockey. In the winter time and my friends was the, they're hockey players, so I was playing with them. And then when I was nine or 10, one of the coach see how I'm playing on the backyard hockey. And they said, you got something special, like, uh, do you wanna come and play like with professional? I said, how like they start when they were five, six, you gotta start earlier when you're in hockey. And I started 10 and, uh, and even I couldn't pick it up until 17. So I was playing professional from 10 to 17 hockey.

• 9:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You were playing professional hockey from 10 to 17?

• 9:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanted to go NHL, so my dad even was saying like, whatever you want, I send you Canada, USA. Just if you wanna play in NHL, so you gotta go there. I said, the, I like to be here, so, but I was kid, I didn't know what I should do. So if I was smart, I should tell to my dad to send me to US or, uh, to Canada to play here.

• 9:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Were you that good that you think you could have made it in the NHL?

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Uh, I was good, I was good and, uh, my goal was the hockey. And then when I was 17, I understood like I cannot be a good hockey player. And, uh, and they said, okay, it's done, I'm gonna work with my dad.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  And I was working three months with my dad and said, no, this is not my thing. I, I like to be in the sport because it's easier for me. You wake up, you know, your time, you trains one or two times a day, you chill all day. You're like clean, you know, eat clean food, but when you're in construction business, you wake up at six. You don't have a schedule, you just drive everywhere, like talk to people, like help your dad. You know, they don't care about their body, they just work all day and like, it's a, it's not the best job. And I said, no, I wanna go back to sport. And I said, my dad, can I go to grappling school? And he said, yeah, do it.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  And I went to grappling and I could do so good because I trained when I was from six to nine wrestling and like I could pick it up so fast and grappling was just starting in Russia.

• 10:47Patrick Bet-David?

  So from nine to seventeen, you didn't do any grappling or wrestling?

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Nothing, nothing.

• 10:50Patrick Bet-David?

  So only six to nine wrestle, then nine to seventeen hockey, and then you come back to grappling in eighteen?

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, so in one year, I was a Russian champion. So yeah, it was like everybody was surprised how I made it. And like, and grappling for me was boring and I see like someone is fighting and I said, okay, I got, I asked my dad, can I do one fight in MMA? He said, you're stupid, they're gonna break your head. Why you need that? I said, just one fight. I like when they, people go to the cage, you know, with music. And I watched once when I was like seventeen and I said, I wanna do this once in my life.

• 11:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Who'd you watch? What fight did you watch at seventeen?

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Uh, it's a Dagestani guy. He was walking, he was walking to his, to the cage with the good music, you know, I said, it make, make me so excited and I said, I wanna do this in my life.

• 11:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Just because the walkout?

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, walkout. Yeah, I don't know why the walkout and people like crowd watch you and I don't know like, I like it so much and I said, my dad, can I do once? And he said, just once. And my mom was crying all day, don't do that because someone gonna break your head, so you're gonna be stupid early in life.

• 12:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, have you been a fighter? Like, were you a fighter or mainly wrestling? Would you get into a lot of fistfights or no?

• 12:06Speaker 01

  No, no, no. I didn't have experience. I, I, I was like a grappler and then I wanted to transition to MMA just for one, for one fight. So, and thank God, I won my first one and then they offered me right away the second one with the guy who has eleven or ten fights professional. And I didn't have a coach who said, no, don't do that. I had, like, I have a, like,

• 12:34Speaker 01

  Strong heart, you know, I don't care who I'm gonna fight. I said, if he wants to fight me, I'll go. Because I'm, I was young, no experience, nobody tell me, you shouldn't do that, you gotta box first, get experience, and then you can go to fight like this. I said, okay, I don't care, I just go and wrestle him. And I went there in fifteen or twenty seconds, he knocked me out. My dad said, what are you doing, like, I told you, don't go there, is that your thing? And I was so mad, and I said, okay, give me one year. And can you send me to Thailand? So I flew to Thailand, I stayed there one year, and I came back, beat him, this guy that he knocked me out.

• 13:19Patrick Bet-David?

  What did you do in Thailand for one year?

• 13:20Speaker 01

  I was training. I was coming back for competition to Russia, and then back to Thailand.

• 13:27Patrick Bet-David?

  How intense was the training in Thailand?

• 13:29Speaker 01

  It was hard, it was hard, so hard. And I didn't know how to train, I was training all day. I felt like a professional fighter, they go to the gym in the morning, and then come in the evening back. So I was in the gym all day. I didn't know, like, I gotta go there, do one training, and then even, and then rest, and then evening out. I went there from nine to eleven, it was jiu-jitsu. From twelve to two, it was MMA. And then from five to six, it was sparring, and I was doing like all that trainings.

• 14:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Every day?

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Every day, yeah. And only Sunday day off.

• 14:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Who told you about that place?

• 14:08Speaker 01

  I was watching on YouTube. I didn't know even where that place, I just know it was in the island Phuket. And I landed there, I was asking everybody, where's Tiger Maitai? And they, nobody knew that. And then, and then one of the taxi driver, he drove me there, it was like thirty minutes from the airport.

• 14:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you go by yourself, or did you go with a group?

• 14:30Speaker 01

  No, alone, alone, I was there alone, alone.

• 14:32Patrick Bet-David?

  By yourself, you're going to Thailand, based on a video you saw on YouTube?

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, nobody, nobody, yeah.

• 14:38Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're training there and then you're, now at the same time are you coming back and forth to Russia or no?

• 14:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was going back to Russia, beat somebody and then come back. And then in one year, exactly same day, I beat the guy who knocked me out. I choke him out. And then my dad said, okay, you beat him, that's it. But I was winning for one year of fly fights. I was Russian champion MMA, master of sport of MMA. And like, I asked the one guy, I want to retire because my dad doesn't. I was nineteen. And he said, you shouldn't do that, you have like a good potential, like you can be in UFC and don't do that. I said, what is UFC? What are you talking about? I'm just fighting. Yeah, and then I flew to Korea.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  I beat the guy in Korea and then one of my managers said, like, keep doing because you're seven and one. You can be like a good MMA fighter and you can be in UFC. So and then I was, and I want to start beating everybody and I was like thirty, thirty win streak. Thirty win streak and they sent me to UFC for two weeks before.

• 15:48Patrick Bet-David?

  So at what point did Dana know who you were? Do you have an idea when the UFC found out who this kid is, Arman, that's beating everybody up?

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, because the, they signed me before. It was the second, second event in Russia, UFC, UFC in Russia and they, they were looking for someone from there. So and they, they got me there and they, it was short notice before two weeks, they, they told me before fight. But still, you know, I said, I gotta take this chance because you never know what's, what gonna be tomorrow. Maybe they never gonna call me again.

• 16:26Patrick Bet-David?

  And is this an Islam fight?

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's Islam fight. I went there and like my manager, it's Islam. I said, I don't care who is Islam and who is the Habib, I don't care. Like, I need to, I want to be in UFC. I knew they give you, they give you contract not for one fight, they give you contract for four fights. So if you go there, perform very well and I knew I could beat him. I don't know why in my mind I was so confident.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that you or someone's telling you this?

• 16:52Speaker 01

  No, just me.

• 16:53Patrick Bet-David?

  You.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:54Patrick Bet-David?

  The confidence is you.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, just me.

• 16:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Where did the confidence come from?

• 16:58Speaker 01

  I think from my blood, I don't know, because the where I born, uh, hard lifestyle, you know, the my, my parents, they, they came from nothing, probably from that, that you gotta take risk and, uh, and, uh, do what you gotta do, you know?

• 17:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Your dad seems like an interesting guy. Is he very tough as you? Like if you're...

• 17:21Speaker 01

  He's tough.

• 17:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he a tough guy?

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's, he's tough. He can work twenty-four seven and never complain. And, uh, when I was growing up, I was watching what he's doing, you know, and like, he, he, he never buys for himself, nothing. He just think about us for our, for our future. And, uh, for example, if you ask him like, I wanna buy this car or this, yeah, he's saying buy it. But for him, he never gonna buy for him like a car or whatever.

• 17:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Simple guy.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, when he was like forty-something, I said like, that why you, you don't wanna buy a car? He said, my time is left when I wanted to, to have a cars when I was twenty-five, twenty-three, twenty-four. Uh, that moment, I didn't have money, but now I don't, I don't need that money. But I want you to enjoy it because I didn't enjoy that time.

• 18:11Patrick Bet-David?

  How many siblings?

• 18:13Speaker 01

  I got the older brother and the younger sister.

• 18:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's your older brother?

• 18:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:17Patrick Bet-David?

  To your right.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:18Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what does he do? Does he work with dad or?

• 18:20Speaker 01

  He, he works with dad.

• 18:21Patrick Bet-David?

  He works with dad. So rumor has it, your dad's very wealthy.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  No, not very wealthy. He's okay. We, we good lifestyle. We, we travel around the world. We drive any cars we want, but like, we don't have like, I don't know, billions.

• 18:38Patrick Bet-David?

  You're not billionaires?

• 18:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 18:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So broke, like a half a billion, like a few hundred million?

• 18:42Speaker 01

  About, yeah.

• 18:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So funny.

• 18:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, did you always have a, like I have, I have four kids, but out of my two boys, one of them, Armand, he has such a simple life. We can go anywhere. He will wear flip flops, just relax, you know, he's happy. My younger son, Dylan, twelve, he has a very expensive taste. He always wants the best of everything. Were you always like that? Did you always want the best of everything?

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Yes, me, yes, but my older brother, same like my dad. So he never, he never go and like spend so much money or something. He doesn't care what he's wearing. He never goes to the, like a Rolex store and buy for him watches, that watches he's wearing is mine, I give it to him and he's same as my dad, but me, I'm opposite. My sister is opposite to, my sister, she likes like flashy things, I like flashy things. But my dad and my brother, they, they don't care like what watch they have, what clothes they wear, they just, they don't care, but

• 19:46Speaker 01

  yeah, but they're not, it's kind of, for me, it's, I'm not, I'm not doing for anybody, I do for myself. I like watch, I like clothes I wear.

• 19:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You enjoy it?

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Not like show up, you know?

• 19:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. What did you learn from mom? What did you learn from dad?

• 19:59Speaker 01

  From dad, I learn

• 20:04Speaker 01

  you gotta, you get from dad?

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Like

• 20:11Speaker 01

  you, you gotta work to get something, not, not, not, not, not someone gonna give you something. Not, don't wait like to anybody to give you or like to tell you, you gotta do this, then you gotta take it and do it by yourself, like how you think is good. If you fail, stand up and go try it again. So that's why I don't, I don't have too much patience. If I wanna do this, I'll do it like my dad said, you know?

• 20:37Patrick Bet-David?

  How about mom?

• 20:39Speaker 01

  My mom, uh

• 20:42Speaker 01

  My mom is athletic, she likes working out. She likes to take care of her body. Like, I take from my dad, like, hard work. From my mom, athletic thing. So she doesn't eat like, from when I was young, I never eat like sausages. Never drink juices, juice, never drink. In our house, it's like water or like a homemade juice, you know? We don't, so my mom, she always like take care of us so good and like, she works out every day and from her I took that.

• 21:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Was she an athlete before?

• 21:22Speaker 01

  No, she just like it. So when we go, when we go to vacation, so my dad, my dad is sleeping, my sister is sleeping, but me, my mother, my mom, we go out running or like walking and she likes to work out.

• 21:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Very cool. So the work ethic from dad, the athletic side from mom.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 21:44Patrick Bet-David?

  That's amazing. And then you like to find her things like your younger sister, the two of you guys together.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, but she's lazy, so she doesn't like to work out.

• 21:53Patrick Bet-David?

  She's just watching and running.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, so what can I say? She's lazy, she doesn't like workout. She likes like, the older brother gonna give her everything and like, she doesn't like even study, so we cannot like.

• 22:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you okay with that?

• 22:12Speaker 01

  We tried to push, it didn't, it didn't work, what we can do. So now we're looking for what she likes to do, so we're trying to open for her like salon, beauty salon, and she likes beauty things, so.

• 22:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That's great.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you cannot like push. For example, if I'm gonna have a boy. I want him to be a fighter, right? I'm gonna see if he doesn't like that, I'm not gonna push him. He's never gonna be, like, he's not, never gonna be a fighter.

• 22:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, if he doesn't want to, you can't force him to do it. I tried to force my oldest son to play, uh, baseball, and he just hated it. He's like, nah, I'm not interested, you're interested, I'm gonna, I'm gonna fight. He's a fighter, he does Muay Thai. Uh, he couldn't stand doing Jiu-Jitsu. I put him in Jiu-Jitsu, and my dad, his grandpa, is videotaping him because he's in a class down the street here. And one of the girls i- i- in the class, there was one girl. And this girl this one time is teaming up with him, and she's on top of him. And he's just laying like this, he says, look, I wanna learn how to fight so people don't come close to me.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't want people co- uh, come close to me, so he likes Muay Thai more. But going back to it, when you were talking about the fight with, uh, Islam that you had. You went the distance, if I'm not mistaken, right? Is the, is the-

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was the-

• 23:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Three rounds?

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Three rounds.

• 23:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Three rounds, you guys went the distance.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:30Patrick Bet-David?

  What did you learn from that fight afterwards? Cause you only had two weeks, and this is the guy everybody's fearing. You face him, what, what clues did he leave with you?

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• 26:08Speaker 01

  From that fight, I learned you shouldn't be so, so confident. You always gotta, gotta like think twice, you know? Don't, don't be, don't underestimate your, your fighter. Even like last week, I was, like last Saturday, I was wrestling with the old legend. He's old, but still like I was doing warm up like I supposed to do. I was preparing the same, I was cutting the same weight. Because every, everything can happen in the, in the fight. So after that fight, yeah, you never gotta underestimate your fighter.

• 26:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and with the Faber, if you're talking about Faber, right? And in the fight with Faber, this one clip went viral. Was the fight in Philadelphia? I don't know why I think it was in Philadelphia. Was it in Philadelphia, right?

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:00Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and, and there's a clip of you, Rob, I don't know if you have it.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Where, you know, is this it? Yeah. Make this a little bit bigger, Rob. So what happened to you? Were you, was this intentional? Was it accidental?

• 27:14Speaker 01

  Accidental.

• 27:19Patrick Bet-David?

  That's insane. Not intentional at all?

• 27:23Speaker 01

  No. I mean, you gotta do a show, right? If like, it was like a simple wrestling, nobody gonna talk about that. You gotta do something unusual.

• 27:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Did that hurt anything? Like when you fell, adrenaline, nothing, no injuries?

• 27:37Speaker 01

  No, no, no. We know how to fell.

• 27:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And him as well, he's okay as well?

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's good. I'm gonna send him a gift.

• 27:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You're gonna send him a gift?

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:46Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the gift?

• 27:48Speaker 01

  We'll see how much RAF pay me.

• 27:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Does this actually pay well? Is it a good paying fights, the wrestling?

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, wrestling, I get paid good.

• 27:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Like what's good?

• 28:00Speaker 01

  I mean, they don't wanna tell me how much they pay me because the other fight, other wrestlers gonna, wants the same money.

• 28:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I got it.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  They trying to.

• 28:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I got it.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  But like, you can buy a good Patek Philippe.

• 28:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You can buy a good Patek Philippe? That can range though.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Not, not like yours?

• 28:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You can, but you have a nice one.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  Like, like this one, yeah, you can buy, but like this one, you gotta do like a six, seven.

• 28:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Six, seven fights to get this one. He knows watches. So from your experience with UFC, because UFC publicizes the biggest payday, right? What's the most money you made with UFC?

• 28:34Speaker 01

  With UFC?

• 28:37Speaker 01

  More than a half a million.

• 28:38Patrick Bet-David?

  More than a half a million in a fight, okay. And the last person you fought?

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Dan Hooker.

• 28:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Dan Hooker, which was about a year ago, right? He's the one that you had butted in the, in the pre-

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Before Wayans. Yeah, because I hate this guy and then, and then he tried to flinch me and then I said... Sometimes I cannot control myself. If, if, if the guy is good, cool, I'm cool too, but if someone wants to like flinch you and like make you scared, like, I'm not going to step back. Straightforward.

• 29:08Patrick Bet-David?

  To him.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so this guy, you didn't like him from the beginning.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  No, I didn't like because we were talking trash about, uh, he was talking bad about me, this, that. And like, and then now I like him because I beat him.

• 29:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's always like that. Once you beat him, you're friends with him, right? It's different when you're fighting.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, but he has like a bad mouth.

• 29:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Arman, what, what do you think normal people don't know about Armenians? That there's certain rules with Armenians you can't curse. You, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's certain, certain things with Armenians that if you say, for whatever reason, we tend to get more angry than other communities. Why do you think that is?

• 29:50Speaker 01

  Uh, because of the place where we grew up. And second one is genetic testosterone that we have. It's from there coming.

• 30:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You think that's what it is?

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 30:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, cuz in Armenia-

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, because if you go to Armenia, I mean, the, all the places. Armenia, Georgia, Dagestan, Chechnya. It's like kind of same culture everybody has. If you go there in the village, the, the kids is fighting to each other. And they grew up like this. And then when they go to the city, they have that mentality like, like, you know, and that's why the best fighters, they coming from there, from there. If they gonna sign a lot of Dagestan, Chechnya, uh, uh, Georgian Armenian fighter, they gonna take over all UFC.

• 30:43Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but what, what I'm asking is, I'm asking more about from the side of, uh, you, you know, like, in, in Americans, they'll say, hey, motherf- you know, they'll just kinda-

• 30:52Speaker 01

  They just talk and like-

• 30:53Patrick Bet-David?

  They just talk.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, and nothing happen.

• 30:55Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but if you do that to, even when Connor was doing it to Khabib, Khabib's like listening to everything he's saying. Says, you don't talk about my father, my religion, nothing like that. Armenians have a side of that as well.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Where you can't, you can't speak a certain way. So how do you, you're in the game of promoting, guys are gonna talk trash. How do you process that? Do you, do you mentally set it aside and say, I can't take this thing personally? How do you deal with it?

• 31:21Speaker 01

  No, I can deal it so easy, but sometimes for the show, you gotta do something. You gotta, if you think like, for example, Habib-

• 31:31Speaker 01

  He had already name, big name, and he shouldn't do anything. If he's just listen to him, it's okay. But for example, right now, I gotta do something like crazy things that that gonna bring a lot of eyes and then I, when I when I like fight or something, they already know who am I, you know, and uh, that's why sometimes people think I'm too crazy, but it's like

• 31:59Speaker 01

  I don't know, I, sometimes I say, okay, I'm not gonna do anything, but like, I cannot control myself so much. I need someone to, who is gonna stop me.

• 32:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Does it help to when the opponent is somebody you really wanna destroy? Or does it work against you? You know what I'm saying? Like, does it help if you hate the guy you're facing against? Or it doesn't matter?

• 32:21Speaker 01

  It doesn't matter. When you're in the cage, you calm, you don't care. But, so in the cage, it's completely different game. It's just a, it's a it's the, no talking, nothing, it's just like a fight. And if, for example, I hate Ben Hooker, I used to hate him. And when I was in the cage, I was so calm. Like, I was controlling myself because it's a fight. You cannot do, if you're gonna be not calm, you're gonna lose, you're gonna gas out, so that's why you gotta control yourself. And like, be, um, calm, so it's important.

• 32:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Who did you fight that would talk to you? Are there fighters that would talk to you in the middle of the fight that would try to get to you, or no?

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, sometimes, but I don't care what they're saying. So, in the cage, it's easy, you know, you can beat them. Out of cage, yeah, they, it's, uh, it's hard to control yourself because you cannot beat him right away. That's why he can't talk a lot. But in the cage, he can talk whatever he want, you can just smash him.

• 33:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I remember, uh, uh, when Khabib would fight, he was talking. He would talk a lot, and he would talk to Conor as well. In the fight, you know, there would be a certain level of conversation with him, but that's not your style. You're not the one. You're just focused on the fight, uh, versus your opponent.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, mostly, yeah, but never know, so.

• 33:38Patrick Bet-David?

  You never know?

• 33:38Speaker 01

  You never know, yeah.

• 33:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You could surprise somebody.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 33:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you ever, uh, grappled or wrestled or done anything with Khabib, or no?

• 33:46Speaker 01

  No, uh, his teammates, yes, a lot.

• 33:49Patrick Bet-David?

  His teammates, yes, but not him directly?

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Not yet. Uh, I came a little bit late, later, so.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  He's already retired and coaching his cousins. But in the future, for sure, I'm gonna fight his cousins or somebody because he has a good team.

• 34:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you guys ever communicate? Have you guys ever?

• 34:10Speaker 01

  We're cool, we're cool. I'm cool with Habib, Islam, with everybody.

• 34:14Patrick Bet-David?

  With his whole camp?

• 34:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, because we live in the same country. And we have same culture and we don't like pass the lane, you know. You gotta respect.

• 34:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And right now, you're training with?

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Hamzat.

• 34:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Hamzat, yeah. How's the training with him?

• 34:30Speaker 01

  So hard. Hamzat, the guy, I thought like I train a lot. So I have the same problem like Hamzat. If nobody gonna control me, what I'm doing, I'm gonna overtrain, overtrain always. And when you overtrain, you cannot perform. So that's why you need a good coach. Hamzat same.

• 34:52Speaker 01

  He, he works so hard and you gotta stop him. So that's why he, like three, four, five fights ago, he couldn't make weight. He pulled out, got injured because he always overtrained. But now he has a good team and everybody control him, not overtrained.

• 35:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's important, so it's interesting. So overtraining works against you when it comes on to the fight?

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you're young, you can't overtrain because your body can like take it. But right now, when you're thirty, thirty-one, thirty-two, you cannot do the same when you're eighteen. So that's why now you gotta take care of your body and train smart. Especially, we cut a lot of weight too. So he cuts maybe like fifteen KG, it's like about thirty pounds.

• 35:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. In what timeline, what timeframe?

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Like one month.

• 35:44Patrick Bet-David?

  In one month? That's insane to go through that.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:47Patrick Bet-David?

  And what do you notice? When you, you've trained with a lot of different people, I'm assuming, over the years?

• 35:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:52Patrick Bet-David?

  What are some of the big names you've trained against? Not fought, but trained with?

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, but Hamzat, I think the biggest name.

• 35:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Biggest name?

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, right now.

• 36:01Patrick Bet-David?

  How does that help you, training against somebody his size?

• 36:06Speaker 01

  I mean, when I watch his training, what he's doing in the sparring, so I was try to take something from him, you know, because he has a good, uh, good wrestling, good, good striking. It's always good to have a teammate like him and his, uh, his mindset. He has a different mindset, like not everybody. He never watch his opponent fights. He don't care what he's gonna do. For example, me, I see and watch like, okay, who could, he does the like kick from the left, right, he did this, that, like, I'm gonna do this, he's gonna kick me this. Okay, let's train. He's, uh, like, do a lot of straight kicks and I do defense during the training.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  But this guy, he doesn't know like what even like Strickland does or like his opponent, he never watch them. And he doesn't care what he's gonna do. He cares what he's gonna do to him. So he, he has his own game plan, just on what he's gonna do.

• 37:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  So that's why he's different. That's why he's a champion, different.

• 37:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So he, he doesn't study his opponents at all?

• 37:15Speaker 01

  At all. Yeah, so me, I'm opposite. I'm like looking what he's doing, this, that, switch stand, when he throw like one, two, he's going this way or that way. He is different. Yeah, that, I'm taking from the, from him. Nowadays, I don't think about my opponent so much. I watch once and that's it. So I let my coaches think about that.

• 37:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's, that's pretty, that's pretty wild to be thinking about because typically in every sport, it's like study your opponent. We watch tape, we watch this, we watch that.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  I think I, I watch more, uh, his opponent than him, for sure. I watch like what Strickland does that he's fighting next month.

• 38:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Why did he bring you in? Because if he's fighting Strickland, why, why train with you? Of course, you're one of the best in the world and in your weight class, you're feared by everybody. But why bring you in?

• 38:12Speaker 01

  Uh, we're good friends. And he has a fight in US and he asked me like where I should train. So he came here one year ago and he liked it to train with me, with my coaches, the place where I train. And he feels free here because he's superstar in Russia, in UAE. Here in Newport, nobody like bother him. So he can focus on his thing and he likes the energy, he likes to be.

• 38:43Patrick Bet-David?

  How fun is he? How fun is he without, you know, with the camera off, with nobody being there? Is he as fun as he seems like he is or is he very serious?

• 38:53Speaker 01

  So you can see him once, he can be the funniest guy ever. But you can see him in one hour, he's gonna be the scariest guy ever. So he can change his mind about his mood so fast. And I ask my guys, like, my friends, they tell me you're same. So you can be funny in the morning and then even evening you come and like, like, why you doing this? Like, and like you're so like, you have bad mood. So maybe because of we're fighters or I don't know, like, he's same. One day you cannot even talk to him. Because you say, hi, how are you? Good, that's it. So he doesn't talk.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  One day he never stop, he can talk like three, four hours.

• 39:40Patrick Bet-David?

  It's funny, that's a very common pattern. Uh, with a lot of creative minds who wouldn't stop and were not happy with. Uh, you know, their level of contentment was so low, they wanted to win at the highest level and they couldn't stop. Athletes typically, the best ones have a bit of that mindset. You know, Brady, if you're around Brady, there's moments that he's got a fun side, but you know, he can all of a sudden be a psycho. It's like, hey, why are you guys sitting around so happy? We're losing, let's get our act together. It's a very, very common pattern with highest level winners. So for you, what is, what is next for you? Because there's a lot, there's a lot of people that want to see you, you're not on the White House card. I thought you were gonna be on the White House card. I thought the big fight would have been, you know,

• 40:25Patrick Bet-David?

  a lot of names with you being included in it. What's the next big one for you?

• 40:30Speaker 01

  I'm a backup for the White House, so main event in my weight.

• 40:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You are?

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, so if something happened on the main event, if someone pull out or...

• 40:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this public information?

• 40:40Speaker 01

  It's not public, but you still tell me if someone like...

• 40:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh buddy, don't say that. Are you serious?

• 40:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, if someone pull out, but they gotta get injured.

• 40:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I mean, there's a big one if a guy pulls out, like you...

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's why I'm flying out tomorrow to... back to Cali and the training.

• 40:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait, if accidentally Gagey or Tapuria pulls out, you're in?

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100%.

• 41:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my god.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, that's the goal. So, we never know. It's a dangerous sport. But these guys, they train so... they don't train hard, so it's a low chance.

• 41:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Lower chance of them?

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So, meaning the chance of them getting injured is not high? They're probably gonna keep the fight?

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not high because they're both... Tapura is just hitting pads. He doesn't do anything else. Gagey, he's a super all. He just maybe like playing. He doesn't wanna like have a strong spine because it's not good for him right now.

• 41:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, for me, I... the challenge is, I don't know if Dana would be good with Justin dropping out. Because it's a USA flag and it's 250.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  It's okay, I'll fight for you, USA.

• 42:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Fight for you, USA!

• 42:04Speaker 01

  And for sure, for sure, they're gonna be proud more than for Gagey. I'm gonna show a better fight than Gagey.

• 42:11Patrick Bet-David?

  If you and Tapuria?

• 42:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100%.

• 42:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I think the world wants to see that.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, everybody's waiting for that fight. So... But if it's not happen now, it's gonna... eventually it's gonna happen.

• 42:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, right.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  And I take my time. I learn something new. I getting better every day. I'm not like, "Oh, why it doesn't happen like it didn't happen in January? Why they didn't put..." I'm not mad, I'm just waiting for my chance and...

• 42:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Did they call you out all for this fight or no? For this card? Were you at all?

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Yes, they called me for the U C Chandler.

• 42:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Rafi and Chandler?

• 42:45Speaker 01

  They wanted me put against the Chandler. And then they understood like it's bad for Chandler and he represent U S. It's like ninety nine point nine that I'm beating him. So, and then they put Ruffi. So, if someone had hurt in Ruffi or Chandler, they might call me too, so.

• 43:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, so either one of them, they might call you?

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but ideal fight for you.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a title, yeah.

• 43:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You want the title fight?

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I want a title.

• 43:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, and for you, in your mind, you told the story at the beginning. You said you went and fought your first guy. You lost, you went to Thailand, you trained for a year. Then you came back and you beat the other guy and you, I think submission, you said, right? That you did?

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:29Patrick Bet-David?

  To the guy. Is that story gonna repeat itself with Islam when you go back and face him off? Is that kinda how you see that story taking place?

• 43:37Speaker 01

  Right now, no, because I'm thinking about the title fight in my weight, one fifty five.

• 43:42Patrick Bet-David?

  He moved up, right?

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, he moved up one seventy. Yeah, but if he stay long, long in this, in this game, yeah, I would like to go up and fight him. But right now, my goal is to get the title fight in one fifty five, probably. So, there is probably in this summer and the end of this summer. Or they give me BMF title in June eleven.

• 44:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh dude, you're so qualified for BMF type of a...

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they, either BMF July or title fight in the end of this summer or September, October.

• 44:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Toporia?

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, I love Justin, of course, he's a fan favorite. He was at the UFC Miami when we were here just last week. And when the audience sees him, he's got a big fan base, but he's at a different age, thirty seven. Toporia is how old right now? Is he thirty? Is he twenty nine or thirty?

• 44:37Speaker 01

  Twenty nine.

• 44:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Twenty nine, so he's twenty nine and you're twenty nine?

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What a perfect matchup. I mean, if that's the main, if you, if you guys end up, well, something needs to happen last minute for that to be the fight. Um, but that'd be a big one. When you watch Toporia, what do you think about Toporia? Because I had Toporia here on the podcast, we had a very good conversation together. Different kind of a fighter.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Right? Different kind of a fighter.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  Good fighter, good mindset.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  Good boxer. So he used to be a wrestler and then he understood wrestling is a waste of energy. And then he started boxing, he improved his boxing, now he box people. Because it's hard to wrestle and box, you know, 25 minutes. Unless if you're Habib or Hamza, so they can wrestle 25 minutes non-stop.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  But nowadays, he just do good, good thing, it's a, it's a box, that's it. He doesn't kick, he doesn't like wrestle. So his main thing, it's a box. For me, it's easy, because I have a good kicks, that I can stay on the kick distance. And if he comes with a box, I wrestle him, or I clinch him. So they know that too, they, they gonna try to avoid, they gonna try to move up. After this fight, he's gonna say, "They cannot fight me", because it's like,

• 46:10Speaker 01

  it's like, even his teammate, they know it's a tough fight. It's a tough fight, why we should take the tough fight if we can't fight with Olivera, Gagey, the guys who is like, at the end of their career and they cannot do everything. And they have a bad chin, they, they drop so much. So if he, if they're gonna hit them, they're gonna, they're gonna, uh, lose, you know, so.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the main thing, so probably, he's gonna get the title, he's gonna defend the title and say, "I'm gonna leave this title."

• 46:50Patrick Bet-David?

  He's gonna leave this title, so?

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Uh, it's my opinion. If he, if he's, on, on the camera, he's saying, "I don't care, I fight Armand", but when the time comes to fight Armand, he's always like, uh, trying to find excuses.

• 47:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you're a little bit, you're the one fight nobody wants, right? You're the guy that everybody wants to delay. But he's also formidable. I actually think if the two of you guys fought, it would be one of the highest grossing viewership. I think it can be the matchups, because I don't think either one of you guys are going to. Toporia fights, he's also good for the fans. Like, he doesn't show up. There were certain fighters back in the days that they only fight for, you know, points, scoring, they played safe. And when you fight, you're not gonna play safe either. I think it would make for a hell of a fight for a lot of people. A lot of people probably want that fight. What has Toporia said about you when your name comes up? Because I'm sure you watch everything he says about you in interviews.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Last time he was on the stream, I don't know, he said knocking me out or something. I don't remember, to be honest.

• 47:56Patrick Bet-David?

  He said he would knock you out?

• 47:57Speaker 01

  I don't remember, to be honest, but he said easy. No, he said, I think easy, I'll take this fight. Yeah, yeah, probably. No, no, he said, what he's gonna do, he's gonna wrestle me, I'm gonna defend. What else? He cannot box. And I'm gonna knock him out or something like that.

• 48:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, is this Toporia on the podcast?

• 48:13Speaker 07

  Yes, sir.

• 48:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, I don't remember what he said, but I do remember we talked about Arman. Go for it. Can you look at that, Rob? I'm curious now, because I, is Charles is number, oh, Arman is number two.

• 48:26Speaker 07

  Arman, number two.

• 48:28Patrick Bet-David?

  So would you fight an Arman before you go? Like, let's just say Dana says, I want you to fight Arman before you fight Islam. Would you entertain that?

• 48:34Speaker 07

  He wouldn't, he wouldn't tell me that.

• 48:36Patrick Bet-David?

  He wouldn't tell you that?

• 48:37Speaker 07

  No.

• 48:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Dana would say Islam.

• 48:41Speaker 07

  He would say for the belt.

• 48:43Patrick Bet-David?

  He would say for the belt?

• 48:43Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 48:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I think so as well, because you're undefeated.

• 48:47Speaker 07

  Of course.

• 48:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 48:49Speaker 07

  There's no way that I have to fight to the number one contender. I have to fight directly for the belt.

• 48:56Patrick Bet-David?

  How soon you think that would happen?

• 48:59Speaker 07

  Personally, I don't know.

• 49:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause right there, rap.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, that that moment he, Islam was the champion, so that's why. So I was number one.

• 49:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And Islam moved up.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Moved up and, yeah, so and I supposed to fight him and UFC decided to put him versus Olivera.

• 49:17Patrick Bet-David?

  How much, how much you, when it comes on to fighting? Arman, do they call you and they just tell you, here's who you're fighting? Or do they call you and say, between these two, who would you rather fight? They tell you to fight or do you have a choice at times?

• 49:30Speaker 01

  No, they never tell me. They don't, they they never give me like two names, only one.

• 49:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's your fight.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'll take it.

• 49:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And then no matter when they call you, you're gonna take the fight?

• 49:39Speaker 01

  Uh, I I turned down just one fight because I was number 10, or I was number 1 and they they gave me like number 10 or 11, the guy who was losing everybody.

• 49:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, because Dana did say one time, he says, with Arman, he doesn't take all the fights. We want people to take the fights. I think he made a comment about that, uh, in the past. How's the relationship with Dana?

• 50:02Speaker 01

  I'm cool with him.

• 50:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm good with, I'm good with everybody in UFC and

• 50:12Speaker 01

  uh, I turned down the fight because

• 50:16Speaker 01

  they never give me fight when I was number 10 or number 11 with number one contender. Why I beat number nine, why I beat number eight? Why, why you give this guy like the present to fight with number one contender? And he's nobody and he lose to Olivera, he lose to Darius, he lose to Hooker and I beat everybody and you're gonna give me this this fight? And I said, I don't wanna give me the the better fighters like from top 5 that I deserve it.

• 50:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What, where were you ranked when he gave you number 10?

• 50:43Speaker 01

  I was number 1.

• 50:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, so that's when he, oh, I got it.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why, just one fight in my life. I turned out once, once in my life and I became the worst person ever.

• 50:56Patrick Bet-David?

  But you have to know that's Dana though. You know, Dana, if Dana calls, you gotta say, yeah.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  I think, I think Dana, Dana, he doesn't, he doesn't know what's going on, uh, uh, what fights is offering me because he, he's on.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  He decided on the title fights. Even, I don't think so he decided title fights. They just give him like this card. He said yes or no, or maybe he can switch. Because the Hunter and Matchmakers, they do all this work.

• 51:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Hmm.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  He doesn't, he doesn't do anything. He just run out like a business or like a sponsorships, like a big deals. I don't, I, I think he, he's on different level right now and he doesn't know what's going on over there.

• 51:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think he know, you don't think he's, well, he did say he's no longer negotiating a contract.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:45Patrick Bet-David?

  He said moving forward, it's Hunter and other people that are doing it, no longer me.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he just said that recently.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I don't think so. He's like, um, in like, uh, making fights because he has a matchmakers and the Hunter. Probably they just give him the, the card and he say yes or no, probably. I think, I don't know.

• 52:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Because it takes so much time. Can I imagine you like how much time he has like to make all these fights?

• 52:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you a question. Can, are you also a fan of the fight? Are you a fan of UFC?

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Yes, I'm a fan of you.

• 52:17Patrick Bet-David?

  So you, you're a fighter, but you're also a fan. You watch it as well.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 52:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  If I have a time, I always fly to Vegas and watch. Yeah, so thank God UFC give me the tickets. I'm still, I'm still on. Still alive.

• 52:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so let me ask you this. It, it, it's, it's almost historically, all the best fighters in every weight class had a little bit of conflict with Dana. It's not the regular ones. It's always the best ones.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:50Patrick Bet-David?

  That a little bit of issue. It's almost like it's, it's expected. As, and I'm talking as a fan. You're on the inside. I'm not on the inside. I'm just a fan that goes and, and supports what's going on. Do you see that as a common pattern? Like, you know, the, the faces of the fighting game typically have a little bit of conflict with the top of UFC?

• 53:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, because everybody wants to make more money.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  So they hear like how much the NBA players, how much the football players making and UFC fighters wants to make a lot of money too. And, and then they started like do that thing. John Jones. Not just, he wants big money. Tapuria for the White House, he want Islam. He ask the big money. Everybody like asking for big money. That's why probably they argue.

• 53:41Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think it's the money part? Well, let me ask you.

• 53:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100% money.

• 53:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's say I'm negotiating on behalf of Dana. For the next 2 minutes, I work for Dana.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  For me, they send me contract, I sign and give it back. I don't even watch how much they.

• 53:53Patrick Bet-David?

  That's exactly what, at them hearts. If they were to say, okay, something happened to Justin. I want you to be on the White House card, but we're not paying you nothing. Would you take the fight?

• 54:05Speaker 01

  100%.

• 54:06Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me get this straight. I mean, this is very important because we can save UFC some money right now.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:11Patrick Bet-David?

  If, if they called you from UFC right now and they said, take the fight against Ilya for 0, you take it, don't pay me nothing.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  I gotta watch what's in my contract to fight for the title. I don't know how much I'm getting paid. So, because last time before the Hooker fight, they, they give me contract. I said, okay, I'll sign it because I wanna be a, a, a, a normal guy in UFC because I don't have too much tools. They give me contract, I sign. It was a good money for, and I just signed it. I didn't say, oh, add me like 200 more because I wanna more money. I said, okay, I wanna fight for the title. They give me Hooker, I beat him and then I go to fight for the title. I beat Hooker and then, and then, and then wrestling on the RAF.

• 54:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You headbutted, you headbutted and that's what Dana didn't like. Yeah, he doesn't, you know, there's certain things he wants. Are you, are you, do you have a relationship with Connor?

• 55:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 55:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you guys ever met?

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I fought on the same card as, uh, I fought the same card as Connor. Connor with Donna is good, Habib is good. Not like all fighters bad with, uh, with Donna. A lot of fighter, uh, like good with, only maybe Jon Jones. Who else? And the, the, the Nowrondo.

• 55:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Meaning not good with UFC.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but Conor was a little bit difficult at times, you know Conor, you know, he gave him a little bit of a hard time with, you know, throwing that thing through the glass in the bus.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  But it's good for the, for the UFC.

• 55:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  You think they didn't like it? They like it.

• 55:44Patrick Bet-David?

  So are you thinking about throwing something through that window? You're like, let me go grab the chair right now?

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the drama, the sport, why the sport is like getting big because of drama, not because of fighting. Like Conor Habib, Diaz, you know, the trash talk, everything, not just fighting. What was going on before the fight? The bus thing, it was like, it went viral too. It was.

• 56:13Patrick Bet-David?

  It was everywhere, yeah.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Because of that, that fight was the most biggest fight in the, in the, in the UFC. If it wasn't that conflict before that, okay, Conor Habib, yeah, they talk shit in the press conference and then fight, it's, it's gone.

• 56:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I saw what you said once. I thought it was so funny. You said to, to Toporia, correct me if I'm wrong here, I think you said, "I'll buy your house if you fight me." Did you say something like that? "I'll buy your three and a half million dollar house if you fight me."

• 56:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, so he was selling his house.

• 56:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  And he didn't have a fight. And I said, "Yeah, I'll buy his house and, and."

• 56:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, this is just trolling at its best. "I'll buy your house if you agree to fight me next." Ilya Toporia has put his three and a half million dollar home for sale.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  And my dad called me and I heard you're buying the house and I said, "Yeah." When, he said, "When we going to vacation?"

• 57:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Your dad said that?

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, but who I'm gonna call and he's, he's gonna say yes.

• 57:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Did he, did he respond back to you or no?

• 57:14Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 57:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Go a little bit down on the comment section, Rob. Arman arriving in Madrid to buy Ilya's house.

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• 59:53Patrick Bet-David?

  People are funny with you, yeah.

• 59:58Patrick Bet-David?

  That's interesting, so how much of, how much of

• 1:00:04Patrick Bet-David?

  match, because right now, some people would say the UFC, they've had some good fights, like I was at this last one, no big names, it was actually a very good card, like if you were at the fight, it was phenomenal. Probably the best heavyweight fight that took place, that went to distance. You know, the last fight where, you know, he is, I don't know if he was ACL was torn, or his knee, you know, and he kept getting kicked, kicked, it's like this is over with, and then all of a sudden, boom. And everybody was blown away by the fight, the way it ended, but a big card? They haven't had that for a minute.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's hard, people are like expecting like every title fights, like it's gonna be drama, this, that, like, and like they didn't sell a lot of like a pay-per-view, or what's it called, I don't know.

• 1:00:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Pay-per-view?

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. But, for example, like all bigger stars are booked now, like Hamza, big fight coming up. Ilya, Pereira on the White House. And UFC doesn't have so much, so much stars to put on this, on the, on the every card, that's why like,

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  and the one fight pulled out too, the common event for the title, Juan versus, I don't know who.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  That's why they didn't sell it, a lot of, a lot of tickets, and, but UFC, you never know, you see the names, they're the big names, and you come watch, and like the best fight ever, right? Like you said, title, the heavyweight fight.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  So, that's why.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  That's why every event, they have something special. Matchmakers works good, so.

• 1:01:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You said you're a fan, so if you're a fan, and everywhere you go, people are talking to you, they want to speak to you about UFC or different things. If you could make three fights happen, and you're a matchmaker, who do you create? What fights would you want to see in the UFC?

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  In the UFC? Jones versus Pereira.

• 1:02:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Jones Pereira?

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Arman versus Gage, or Arman versus Ilya.

• 1:02:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  And the next one, Hamza Chima versus Sean Strickland.

• 1:02:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Strickland, those three fights?

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, Strickland has a fight that versus Hamza.

• 1:02:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  And then Pereira, John Jones is a big fight. They wanted to do that fight on the White House, I guess.

• 1:02:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I think John asked for like 30 million, or I don't know what the number was, 15 million, and they didn't want to do it. I read somewhere, maybe John asked for a bigger number, and they said, "No, we're not going to pay it", so it went to, went a different direction.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, in UFC, a lot of fights you can do. You can do a lot of fights. 145 is...

• 1:02:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Jones wanted over 15 million. Yeah, that's what it was.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  15?

• 1:02:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Jones wanted 15 million for the bout, and it failed due to a reported gap of 5 million. Now, keep in mind, this is, you know, ESPN reporting.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think UFC could pay him 50 million.

• 1:03:05Patrick Bet-David?

  50 million?

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  15.

• 1:03:06Patrick Bet-David?

  15 million?

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, easy. For White House, he deserved 15. And I think they could pay him. It's something like a different issue. It's my opinion.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  Percella.

• 1:03:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so no chance at all?

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  No chance, yeah.

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• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  I think, like, one of the biggest events ever, and you think they're not going to pay 15 million? For sure they paid.

• 1:04:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  They got a lot of money, so.

• 1:04:10Patrick Bet-David?

  They got a lot of money. I mean, if you.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  And he has not a lot of fights left, so maybe one, two fights, John Jones. And he's a legend and like Connor, he he made like fifteen, twenty millions, right? For the fights.

• 1:04:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, can you pull up what are Connor's highest? You know?

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  No, the on the boxing, he made a lot, but.

• 1:04:29Patrick Bet-David?

  On the boxing, he made a hundred million.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  In UFC, he made, I think, for the with pay-per-view, something like thirty mil, twenty five, twenty something mil.

• 1:04:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So not the UFC, but on the including bonuses, five to six million bucks is UFC a hundred million? Are you sure it's only five to six million bucks, the most he made? Can you ask the same question on Chat GPT, Rob? And and.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  No, but you never know. Maybe they pay him extra.

• 1:04:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Conversation side, yeah. But but to.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  Extra bonuses. UFC always send me extra bonuses. Yeah, a couple of days ago, they sent me forty two K. I don't know for what. Maybe for my for my social media.

• 1:05:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you serious?

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they sent.

• 1:05:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Did they ever explain where it's coming from or no?

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  I didn't ask.

• 1:05:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You just took the money.

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  Maybe maybe my manager gonna say, hey, where's my person?

• 1:05:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  I was I was not saying.

• 1:05:19Patrick Bet-David?

  So Eddie Alvarez, six point eight million. Interesting that Eddie's money. What did he get paid on Khabib? No way. It was a three million dollar flat fight?

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  It was Habib?

• 1:05:28Patrick Bet-David?

  There is no way it was only three million. McGregor claimed it was worth around fifty million. Total with pay-per-view. Dustin, they got five million apiece. What what is the highest paid? A UFC fighter got paid? What is the highest?

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  You're never gonna know. Because they used to pay the the the. Not on the.

• 1:05:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Books?

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  On the books. Yeah, I heard they they pay so much money when it was for this.

• 1:05:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I I um. I is UFC a publicly traded company now where they have to report? Okay, zoom in on that one a little bit.

• 1:06:06Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the biggest payday total earnings? But is that earnings to the fighter? Or is that earnings to UFC?

• 1:06:11Speaker 07

  They say that that's all three fights combined between.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  No, but I heard he makes around 20 million, the Connor.

• 1:06:17Patrick Bet-David?

  A fight?

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, from the Habib's fight, he made like 20 or 30 million.

• 1:06:21Patrick Bet-David?

  20 or 30 million?

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  It's good money, no?

• 1:06:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but if you look at the most, there's a, I think, four out of the five highest pay-per-view tickets ever sold, four out of the five Connors in those fights. If you go to the highest, is this, go to the highest UFC pay-per-view ticket sold. Highest UFC pay-per-view ticket sold. I want to know, top five fights, I think four out of five Connors in all of them. Okay, zoom in, there you go. Four out of, actually five out of five is Connor. Isn't that amazing? 2.4 million. Damn. 1.8 million. Poirier 3. 1.6 million, Poirier 2.

• 1:07:07Patrick Bet-David?

  1.6 million, Diaz 2. 1.3 million, Diaz 1.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Can I imagine 2.4 on how much is the pay-per-view? 100, 150?

• 1:07:18Patrick Bet-David?

  70 bucks? I don't know what it is. I want to say it's probably 70 to 100 bucks. So it's 200, I go our car some million?

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Damn. 80 bucks. 80 bucks times 2.4 million. That's a, that's 200 million dollars right there.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably he makes around 30 mil.

• 1:07:36Patrick Bet-David?

  On those fights?

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  Habib maybe 10, 15, and he make probably about 30 mil.

• 1:07:41Patrick Bet-David?

  How much you think it's fighting? How much you think it's his personality and ability to promote?

• 1:07:46Speaker 01

  Fighting is 80%, 70%, and 30% is promote.

• 1:07:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You think that's what it is?

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:53Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay, so you put 70 of it on a skill set, 30 of it on the promoting side?

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you're, if you're, if you're bad, you're not, you're not gonna be in the title.

• 1:08:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting, 70, 30, that makes sense.

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta be a good fighter, fight for the title.

• 1:08:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's a very good point.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  Unless if you're not Paddy Pimlet. Paddy, Paddy Pimlet 10% fighting, 90% trash talk and...

• 1:08:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think 10%? Paddy's a pretty good fighter, he's, he's pretty...

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  Did you watch his last fight?

• 1:08:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that was not good. But the previous one, you know...

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  Versus who?

• 1:08:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I've been to quite a few.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, he beat like trash canes. He beat, they just give him so easy fights that even my dad can't beat him. Yeah, really. He beat like a Tony Ferguson who has nine losing streak. He beat, he beat, uh, what's the...

• 1:08:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Just put up his last fights, Rob. Go down a little bit, it'll show his fights.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Chel, uh, Michael Chandler.

• 1:08:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Michael Chandler.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  Michael Chandler, ten fights in UFC, nine loses.

• 1:08:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that, that's not Michael Chandler's record.

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Approximately, approximately.

• 1:08:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Click on Chandler's record.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  No, King Green, King Green. Check, King Green.

• 1:09:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Go on King Green, right?

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  King Green, brother. Check his, uh, last fifteen or ten fights in UFC. Okay, last ten fights. Go down.

• 1:09:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Read three.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Like five loses, five wins, or maybe...

• 1:09:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah. Go to Chandler. The thing with Chandler, Chandler is like...

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  Worse.

• 1:09:24Patrick Bet-David?

  The thing with Chandler is, he's one of the most ex... Chandler's first round, maybe the most exciting round in the first... If you can make it past the first round, but you're gonna have a lot of pain. Yeah.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  Last, one, two, three, four, five. Last six fights, five loses.

• 1:09:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Armand, respectfully, he almost beat Charles. He almost beat Justin.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  I almost, I almost was a UFC champion.

• 1:09:54Patrick Bet-David?

  But these were, these were pretty good fights that he had. I'm telling you, and if you look at the two rounds, three rounds, two rounds, three rounds, five rounds, five rounds with Charles. Yeah, he's, um, he's, uh...

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  Last six fights, five loses. That's crazy.

• 1:10:11Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a, he's a pretty, he's a pretty fun guy to watch.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:15Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a pretty fun guy to watch.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Like a fan, yeah, like the first round is good. His fight versus Gagey, Tapur, or Poye was good. I mean, for fans, it's good to watch, but like a fighter...

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  It's hard.

• 1:10:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't, you don't think, uh, what, what's today's what, Rob? April 20?

• 1:10:33Speaker 07

  20th.

• 1:10:34Patrick Bet-David?

  April 20th today, 4/20 today, okay. So, and, and the White House card is when?

• 1:10:40Speaker 07

  Uh, June 16th, I think.

• 1:10:42Patrick Bet-David?

  June 16th, so two months till the White House card.

• 1:10:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:45Speaker 07

  I'm sorry, June 14th.

• 1:10:47Patrick Bet-David?

  You think there is a 0% chance Dana's gonna make an announcement with a Trump, uh, with a new fight?

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  If you call Trump and tell, put Arman on the card and he's fighting for the US. And, uh, maybe they make it.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  You gotta-

• 1:11:03Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the strategy right there.

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta call Trump and say, this guy is the biggest star right now in Armenian community and, uh-

• 1:11:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my god.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  He wants, uh, represent US.

• 1:11:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you, here's a question. Serious question, if, God forbid, something happens to Justin. By the way, when I was at the fight, Justin spoke to the president for 10 minutes. They were standing, talking to Justin, so he's a fan, they have a relationship. And he's American. So...

• 1:11:31Patrick Bet-David?

  But, if something happens, Justin's not going, they put you in, can Ilya say no?

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  No, he cannot say no.

• 1:11:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  Because, uh, it's a, it's a White House and, uh, if there are not gonna be other names, who is gonna be ready? They cannot put anybody. But, you see, there is two guys in the 155 division, there is a Chen. But, can imagine, if they're gonna say to me, no, and put Chen to fight for the title?

• 1:12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, the audience would be so pissed off.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  That's gonna be the worst.

• 1:12:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, the audience would be so pissed off, they would not be happy.

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  Or Rufe, I don't know.

• 1:12:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me ask you, deep down inside, don't you think he wants to see that fight, you against Dapurio?

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  The, the now, they wanna see that.

• 1:12:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think Dana wants to see that fight?

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Right now, Dana wants to-

• 1:12:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are you saying right now?

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Because, uh, they can see what I'm doing on my social media, on my wrestling and everything, I'm just, uh, bringing a lot, a lot of numbers and they post the April, April 1st, uh, picture, me versus, um-

• 1:12:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, that was the best.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  And they gain more like, uh, likes and, uh, the views than you see Paige announce a whole, whole, uh, whole, uh, card.

• 1:12:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you see that, Rob? Do you know what, do you know what he's talking about? On April 1st, he posted- That the fight is him against Ilya. Did you post it on Instagram or Twitter?

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Instagram.

• 1:13:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Go on his Instagram and go to April 1st. Where is the card? I don't think you posted it.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:10Patrick Bet-David?

  There it is, right there. One million likes. White House, Washington DC. This was posted on April 1st.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:19Patrick Bet-David?

  This just tells you, people want to see this fight.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  They're gonna see that. They're gonna see this fight. It's gonna be one of the biggest fight and I'm so excited for that fight too. I'm just working every day on that and they think I'm doing this content, but I train less, but I was training and getting better. Just show people that I'm chilling.

• 1:13:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Is that Nina?

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:49Patrick Bet-David?

  So, what's the story with you guys? Are you guys dating or you guys?

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  Nina and me, we are the best friends. She's a...

• 1:13:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing, there's nothing in me between you guys?

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  Nothing and nothing happened because we respect each other, you know, and so we just create the content.

• 1:14:06Patrick Bet-David?

  There is chemistry there though, bro. Like that's, you know, like when people watch you guys, there's a...

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  I just wanna say one thing. If you, if you, if you do something like you're not gonna post anything. If you have something between you, you're not gonna post it. Yeah, so you're not gonna show that who you're dating or like...

• 1:14:29Patrick Bet-David?

  It's show.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, this show, this is just the content we do together and she has a boyfriend, so, and...

• 1:14:37Patrick Bet-David?

  It's amazing. Are you surprised by how well it performs?

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  Because her boyfriend, he create the videos and he always with her, which is...

• 1:14:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait, when you guys do the videos, her boyfriend's always there?

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And is he a fighter as well or no?

• 1:14:52Speaker 01

  No, he's a content creator. He does every videos and like he's so smart and he does a lot of social media for her. They work together. They work together and like...

• 1:15:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow. This is him?

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, so he's a...

• 1:15:06Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a good-looking guy. I didn't know this. I thought she was single.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  No, no, no, she's not single.

• 1:15:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Is she, is this her husband or her boyfriend?

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Boyfriend.

• 1:15:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, alright. And he's doing the content?

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, like my team and her team, and he's always on her team, and he helps her with everything.

• 1:15:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you say earlier you have kids or you don't?

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't have two kids.

• 1:15:26Patrick Bet-David?

  You have two kids?

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, two kids.

• 1:15:27Patrick Bet-David?

  So are you married or?

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  I'm married, married.

• 1:15:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You are married?

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:31Patrick Bet-David?

  God.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  So my youngest, youngest daughter, she's like a fighter, but the older, older one, she's like, she doesn't like fights, anything.

• 1:15:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Two girls?

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe the young, young one is gonna be a fighter.

• 1:15:47Patrick Bet-David?

  And Arman, are you, you're married to an Armenian?

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:51Patrick Bet-David?

  To an Armenian, from where you're at?

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Very cool, yeah. That was my mom's dream. My mom's dream was, you know, my son is gonna marry an Armenian.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it doesn't matter. If you find the, find the right person, who cares? Armenian, American?

• 1:16:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree.

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  Like, white, Chinese, so...

• 1:16:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Is two enough for you or are you gonna keep making babies?

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love, I love, I love kids.

• 1:16:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Eleven kids? That's the goal?

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Arman, are you a Christian? You're Christian?

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  You're thinking like to gain three more wives?

• 1:16:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you can speed it up because, you know, there's certain markets that you can accelerate that process. You know, I don't know if...

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Nowadays, you can do the thing, what's it called?

• 1:16:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Surrogate.

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  Surrogate, yeah.

• 1:16:39Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think about that?

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• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  I think it's okay.

• 1:19:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you entertain it?

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  If you want more kids, yeah.

• 1:19:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I brought it up to my kids. My youngest son is like, "You can never have surrogate." I said, "Why?" I said, "It's your mommy and daddy's, it's your brother or sister." She says, "No, no, if it's not in my mom's stomach."

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  No way.

• 1:19:26Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm telling you, he told me.

• 1:19:29Patrick Bet-David?

  No. By the way, he is... He looks Armenian. His mom's white, Texan, but Dylan looks Armenian and he has the Armenian temper and blood.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  He's gonna be a fighter, huh?

• 1:19:44Patrick Bet-David?

  We'll see what he does. Right now, he plays, uh, he plays, uh... He's the one to the left. He plays soccer and he does some other sports, but we'll see. We'll see what's gonna happen with him. By the way, did you ever train with any Armenian fighters? Like, are you, uh... Did you train with other Armenian UFC fighters?

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I trained with Melsek, Edmund, Shavazan. Yeah, so... But, um... They're in different weight class, that's why we don't train together. And, uh...

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  They cannot keep up with me.

• 1:20:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's gonna keep up with you today, though?

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's hard. So, uh, but, uh... You see, me and Hamza, we like, we do together and like, when we in the gym, always argue, "Who does this better, who does this better?" So... But I'm the number one on the bike. You cannot break my record.

• 1:20:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You're the number one on the bike?

• 1:20:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:35Patrick Bet-David?

  In bike what? What's number one? Like, who can go the fastest, longest?

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  Who can like, keep more watts on the bike? I'm number one from garage, so put the garage thing, yeah, yeah, this one. So, in this bike from fighters, nobody can beat me. Other thing? And this thing, for the shoulders, yeah. So, two of those, uh... Nobody.

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  But other things like running, speed running, or like, I don't know.

• 1:21:04Patrick Bet-David?

  What an exercise. So they drop the ball while you're carrying the weight as well. You're pushing up the weight.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is Coach Carl and he has his own garage. He doesn't like fancy things. We just go there and train, train hard. So, and he push ourselves so much. So when I wanna, wanna, when I'm at home, I wanna try to break the record. I cannot because he's not there. I gotta listen to his voice and like, he's like trying to push me so much. He cannot like.

• 1:21:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he your coach or is he his coach?

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  It's my coach and then when he came and he trained with him and he like it. So, yeah, so, uh, good coach.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  But, uh, but he has his own coaches too with him, like Jiu-Jitsu and boxing.

• 1:21:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. What's, what's, with you, with you doing the life that you're living right now, what's, how much is the expense on a monthly basis? How much money are you spending?

• 1:21:58Speaker 01

  One, in one place I said five hundred thousand, but it was wrong.

• 1:22:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Was it more or less?

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  My dad called me after that. Where you spend five hundred thousand? Now I gotta say a hundred thousand.

• 1:22:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You gotta tell him a hundred thousand?

• 1:22:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, so I have a big team, right? I have a big team. I have, I have a coaches. I have like a lifestyle, family. If you, we buying like, uh, vortures, we buying houses, we buying cars. If you're gonna, if you're gonna like count everything, yeah, it's gonna be five hundred thousand.

• 1:22:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Per month?

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:36Patrick Bet-David?

  All, so your lifestyle expense right now is six million here?

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  About.

• 1:22:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And is your fighting income and sponsorship paying for that lifestyle or not yet?

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  About, yeah.

• 1:22:44Patrick Bet-David?

  So about?

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I have a, I have a businesses in Russia that I make money. Yeah, so, and I always have a, on my back Russian money. So if I need it.

• 1:22:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You have access to that as well?

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  I call it, so.

• 1:22:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you have access to that as well?

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, I grew up there. I live there. So I know how to make money over there.

• 1:23:04Patrick Bet-David?

  What's, what's Russia to you? We're in America. So to us, you know, we, you know, we, we have a different, uh, you know, Americans may have a different impression of, you know, Russia. What's Russia to you? What makes Russia special for you?

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  Wherever I go, to travel, to stay, you wanna go back to Russia. No matter, here Miami, so beautiful, roads, beach, food, cars, yachts. But you don't feel like you're at home and you wanna go back to home. Uh, my home is in Russia. I grew up there. I like nature there. I like food there. Everything was going on over there. I like it.

• 1:23:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you see yourself as a Russian or Armenian?

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  S- second?

• 1:23:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You see, you see yourself as Russian or Armenian?

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  Citizen?

• 1:23:55Patrick Bet-David?

  No, do you see yourself, do you cards must do highest uh uh Russians?

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  Uh, no, no, I'm Armenian.

• 1:24:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You're Armenian?

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm Armenian, but I live Russia, so. And where I live in Krasnodar is like a lot of, a lot of Armenian people, like five, about five hundred thousand Armenian people live, uh.

• 1:24:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Or you're right now?

• 1:24:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like a Glendale in US, same.

• 1:24:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Over there?

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I gotta go to, I've never been to.

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, Russia is, it's good. It's clean, it's safe, it's clean, it's safe.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, if you compare to US, it's safer and cleaner.

• 1:24:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Russia?

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, Russia.

• 1:24:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Safer and cleaner?

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  So safe.

• 1:24:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why safer?

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  So you can wear, you can walk anywhere, any watches, nobody can come and, and trying to grab you.

• 1:24:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is that? Why do you think?

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Well, because people is scared to do something.

• 1:24:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Why?

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  Because they go to jail right away. They're not gonna sue with you or do something. If you steal, you go to jail and, and they clean the mafia, everything. Now it's uh,

• 1:24:57Speaker 01

  it's a so safe country and uh, I've never heard like someone scared about watch, like for example, here or LA, you cannot go somewhere with your watches or with your uh cars. You cannot get in the some, some certain places. But in Russia is, you can go anywhere, any, any places and never, never happened.

• 1:25:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Because people are afraid of the consequences?

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  And uh because of that and they cleaned the bad people too, so they, they're in the jail. So all mafia in the jails now, or like they're brought, uh brought off from Russia.

• 1:25:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  So that's why.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  I never think like about bodyguard in Russia or like, oh, my family cannot go outside or something, but here I like everybody, every celebrity has a bodyguards. Every fighters like who has a big name, they have a bodyguards. And the people there respect you so much, especially if you're fighter. They don't even come and like try to ask you about something, get the picture. They just respect your time, you know?

• 1:26:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Over there.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Over there. And if they tell them you're in a rush, so they let you go. But here they can be, talk to you, you know, and like say, no, no, stop. I want a picture, this, that. And then you need to someone to say them, please, he gotta go. So people here, they don't afraid that he, they can like get a problem. But there they afraid because, you know, they, they let you do whatever you wanna do.

• 1:26:31Patrick Bet-David?

  How, how do Russians think of Putin? Is it a high level of respect and admiration?

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, mostly people like him because they, they live there. They, they respect what he's doing, they like him. And so.

• 1:26:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you met him yet?

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, two, two times.

• 1:26:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, two times and I was fighting for his, for his team. So we got the pictures, you can put it. Yeah, so you see young me.

• 1:26:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, wow, how old are you here?

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  Twenty years old.

• 1:27:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Arma, it's a very different look.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I was twenty or nineteen.

• 1:27:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And what was this year?

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  It was seventeen or eighteen.

• 1:27:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, it says twenty twenty-five.

• 1:27:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they, they.

• 1:27:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  So I was, I was fighting two times. He has a, his own promotion. It's once a year, once a year on the, in the Sochi. And the Russian fighters versus the world. So they bring all fighters from the world.

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  And uh, and uh, yeah, they, they, they fight.

• 1:27:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that Fedor?

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  It's a Fedor, yeah.

• 1:27:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? Wow. Man, he, he still has the, matter of fact, he looks better now.

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's, he's fit now.

• 1:27:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he looks better now. What, what, what did Putin tell you? Was it just a meeting or did he say?

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  I asked her, can I take a picture? She said, of course, of course, you take a picture. And then, yeah, he's, he's cool and he likes the fighter. He, he helps so much fighters and wrestlers and everybody in Russia. So if you're a wrestler, for example, here, government, they don't pay money to you. But in Russia, we get paid. If you're like an Olympic team, if you're Russian champion, you get paid money. If you win once in your life Olympic game, Olympic medal, you getting paid all your life until you die.

• 1:28:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You're serious?

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, you can check this information.

• 1:28:30Patrick Bet-David?

  So you, you win one medal, you're getting paid for the rest of your life?

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, like one thousand dollar.

• 1:28:35Patrick Bet-David?

  For the rest of your life?

• 1:28:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, but can imagine if you win three times, you're getting paid three or four thousand.

• 1:28:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Every month for the rest of your life?

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  Every month, yeah, you can check it out.

• 1:28:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Very interesting business model. So, so it's not like you're getting paid one time, because in America, I think we pay you one time.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  One time? No, America doesn't, doesn't pay even one time. They tell you, you gotta find the sponsorship and they pay.

• 1:28:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Get the money that way, huh. But in Russia, they pay their medalist, so there's an incentive to win for the rest of your life.

• 1:29:03Speaker 01

  But can you check, they pay you, how much they pay?

• 1:29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, can you check to see, go, go to, uh, yeah, go and ask and say, what does Russia pay its Olympic athletes if they win a medal?

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  It was like eight hundred dollars, like, like I heard.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  Because I have a lot of friends.

• 1:29:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Who have one?

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Medal, M E D A L. Okay, there you go. So, for recent, Beijing, Russia has paid roughly fifty to sixty thousand dollars for gold, thirty to thirty-five for silver, twenty to twenty-five for bronze. Some broader estimates go a little bit lower. But here's the real kicker. Russia often goes above and beyond just cash, lux- luxury cars, apartments worth half a million to a million, regional bonuses from local governments, extra payouts from sports federation. Total rewards can be hundreds of thousands of dollars to a million plus. Wow.

• 1:30:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. They, uh, it's a, uh, Olympic sport, they, they take care of them so much. So, for example, if you're a, you wanna be a boxer, you go to school, you don't pay money. You, if you're a wrestler, you go to school, you don't pay money for the, for the sport.

• 1:30:16Patrick Bet-David?

  How do they define you that you have to be at a certain level of skill set?

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  No, no, if you're a kid, you go to the school, you don't pay money for the, for your sport in Russia.

• 1:30:27Patrick Bet-David?

  No matter how old you are?

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  No matter, if it's not commercial, there is like a... Every area has his own, the government pay for that school, that kids can train for free. So you go there, so when I was young, I was, I was wrestling, right? Even government pay me for my traveling. If I travel to somewhere to compete, they, they pay us money for our travel even. Yeah, they take care of Olympic sports so much and they...

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  For example, you're a fighter, you got, uh, you, even Khabib, he got paid for the, for his gym. Putin, uh, Vladin, Vladinich, uh, built for him a gym. For example, you're a, a gold, you wanna gold and you wanna build your own gym, they give you money to build your own gym.

• 1:31:16Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're a gold medalist?

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so Russia helped, so Putin helped Khabib build his gym?

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:31:24Patrick Bet-David?

  That is powerful.

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, they, they take care of, for example, somewhere, you go somewhere in Russia, if you're a fighter or wrestler, in government or somewhere, they take care of you because you, you do something for you, for, for your country. They take care of you so much. So, it's, it's the, yeah, they, they take care of you different. So...

• 1:31:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  I mean, in US, it's opportunity to make so much money.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  It's a lot of good things here, a lot of good things there.

• 1:31:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you get sponsorship money there or no? It's mainly from the government?

• 1:32:00Speaker 01

  Uh, in Russia, no, I got.

• 1:32:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So you get sponsorship as well?

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got the energy drink in Russia.

• 1:32:05Patrick Bet-David?

  In Russia, that'll pay you as well?

• 1:32:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:07Patrick Bet-David?

  So you get a little bit of both?

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:09Patrick Bet-David?

  There's long term, after UFC, do you know, do you have any thoughts of what you're gonna do after UFC or?

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Depends how much money I make. But I wanna live, I wanna have a house in, like, I wanna live in Russia, my home base. But I wanna travel around the world, come two years, enjoy Miami. And then from Miami to LA, from LA to New York, from New York to Hawaii, and then go back. Because the winter time is not the best weather in Russia. But from May to October is Russia weather.

• 1:32:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up Russia's map, Rob? Just curious, you know, what part you're from?

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  Go to the Sochi. I wanna show the, our, the...

• 1:32:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, right there.

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  The mountains, that we do, uh, we ski, we do snowmobile, everything over there.

• 1:33:03Patrick Bet-David?

  So where here? This is Sochi?

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  Go to, go to the Krasna Polena. Uh, this is the Sochi, yeah, this is the biggest. This is the, the sea. So this is the mountains. Uh, can you put the Sochi mountains?

• 1:33:20Speaker 01

  It's beautiful.

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  Just the pictures, pictures, yeah, from the browser, yeah.

• 1:33:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, check it out.

• 1:33:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my god!

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  Better than Kurschev.

• 1:33:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my god. Click on that picture right there, Rob? The first one? Zoom in on that picture?

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  So beautiful.

• 1:33:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  I mean, when you stay in Russia a long time, you wanna leave from there too. You wanna go somewhere, travel, and then come back.

• 1:33:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Totally makes sense. But we're never gonna get you in the US. You're never gonna be living here. You're always gonna go back to Russia.

• 1:33:54Speaker 01

  I mean, I like to be here from November.

• 1:33:57Patrick Bet-David?

  From May to November?

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  November, December, January, February, March, and April, maybe. Yeah, six months here, six months there.

• 1:34:06Patrick Bet-David?

  May to November there, and then the rest over here, cuz the weather.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:10Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're home here, you were telling me, you were saying you...

• 1:34:12Speaker 01

  LA, LA, when I landed to LA, I feel like I'm in Russia as well. Armenia, yeah, Russia. Because when I'm in Armenia, I cannot stay a long time there. Everybody knows me, it's hard.

• 1:34:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I gotta go, have you met the Prime Minister of Armenia yet, Pashinyan, or no? Have they ever reached out to you?

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:34:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Never?

• 1:34:31Speaker 01

  Never.

• 1:34:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you wanna go, you know, meet him, or...

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  I mean, I did so much for this country, of course, I would like to...

• 1:34:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm surprised they've never reached out.

• 1:34:41Speaker 01

  To them to do something, because...

• 1:34:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll make one phone call.

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  They never done it, something for me, you know, like, at least maybe, give me a small medal, that I'm doing there, and putting the flag on my shoulders, and like, running out, and hold the US, you know?

• 1:34:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, they're gonna reach out to you? There's no way in the world, if you got a guy like you, that you're doing what you're doing...

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure, for sure, they know about me, but I...

• 1:35:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course they know about you.

• 1:35:09Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't need their help, but if they go, if they wanna help me, I'll be glad, you know?

• 1:35:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think if you, if you were to go visit...

• 1:35:20Speaker 01

  But Armenians from Russia, they help me. Armenians from Russia, they help me a lot.

• 1:35:27Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you view the difference? Yevan C...

• 1:35:30Speaker 01

  No, no, I'm saying that, because my friends from Russia, who is in business days, that they help me, they give me houses, they give me apartments, so, yeah.

• 1:35:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Arman, question for you, can you, like, what does it mean to be Armenian? Cuz to me, I'm Armenian and Assyrian, but what does it mean to be Armenian?

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  For me?

• 1:35:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:48Speaker 01

  I'm proud to be Armenian.

• 1:35:53Speaker 01

  I'm proud to represent Armenia, and I wanna be a first Armenian champion. And...

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  So in UFC, we don't have contenders, like good fighters who is gonna be a champion very soon. But I'm going to sign young kids and I see the potential so big. Maybe because of me, because the sport is growing up so fast, getting so popular. That's why a lot of kids is training and now I have a couple of kids who was like 19, 18. And if they're gonna be in UFC, they can be a champion, yeah.

• 1:36:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Back in Russia?

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  Mostly in Russia, yeah. Mostly in Russia because Armenia is not so popular, but we got someone from there too. And I wanna bring the belt. I wanna represent Armenia and be a first champion because Russia has already a lot of champions. So, yeah, but anyway, I'll...

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  Belt.

• 1:37:00Patrick Bet-David?

  First.

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  Belt first and then I bring to Armenia, so like...

• 1:37:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my god, that would be a spectacle.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Armand Jean, let me tell you, you know, everybody I speak to in the Armenian side, when they talk about you, you are beloved. They love you.

• 1:37:18Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:37:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Absolutely love you and you got, you know this already, so I don't need to tell you this. They're rooting for you and we can't wait for the day. I gotta, and I like Ilya, I like Toporia. You know, there's something very, because both of you guys, what's gonna make this exciting? Both people have a lot of pride from the country they're from. He's got a very interesting dynamic. It'll be interesting to see how much animosity there is between Spain and Russia. I don't know.

• 1:37:45Speaker 01

  Spain, Russia, Armenia versus Georgia.

• 1:37:47Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. That's right.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  I was born in Georgia, my home, like, for example, when we go to Armenia... We stay there one day and then drive to back to Georgia and stay there because our home in Georgia. So we'll build new house now in Georgia and all my family live there. So even like uh we close to Georgia. So now like Armenian versus Georgia, but I live in Russia and he lives in Spain and like they gonna know who is the best fighter in 155 division. Because in Russia, yeah, I'm Armenian, but Russian people, they uh they support me so much too.

• 1:38:32Speaker 01

  They they know I live there, they know like uh I'm gonna bring the belt into Russian home, you know?

• 1:38:40Patrick Bet-David?

  If if doesn't happen on the White House card. And if your ideal place that you would wanna fight Tapuria, where would it be?

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  No matter when, no matter where.

• 1:38:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Anytime, anyplace.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  Anytime, anywhere, I just need that belt, even not Tapuria, I don't care. No, uh like I just need to be a first, get the belt. And then I'm gonna get the this hat, the big hats, so big names. Uh because right now for me, it's number one to be a UFC champion. And I know, I know myself, I know my skills, I can beat them. It's not, it's not gonna be a big problem for me. Yeah, this is good psych quest, uh the RAF grappling, like media. But at the end of days, if they they ask me, uh what are you gonna take UFC belt or this old thing?

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  So I need just UFC belt because I wake up and I do this for UFC title too. I'm not doing this because like I need that because like make money from that. Just that UFC gonna uh gonna know that it's big name. Because of this media, I'm I'm making my my name bigger. And my goal is UFC. So right now it's it's that, but then when I become a UFC champion, I'm gonna go for the names and make money. Because like you know my.

• 1:40:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Lifestyle, you gotta make money.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's expensive and thank God I got money and.

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• 1:42:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You thought about starting a product? Are you working on a product? Because...

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  Not yet, I don't wanna think about, like, about business that gonna take my time. So that's why I'm just focusing only on my social media and on my trainings. Because when I'm done, when I'm gonna be like done with UFC, sport, when I'm gonna be like thirty-seven, thirty-eight, yeah, I'm gonna do my products or something. But I think when I'm gonna be thirty-seven, I'm not gonna be need products and then everything. So I'm gonna have a bunch of money, good investments, and like family man. So enjoy retirement.

• 1:43:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and you'll be in Russia from May to November and in LA or Miami or other places, November to April, maybe April, you said March.

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  From November, beginning of November. And then October, beginning of November here, and then in March.

• 1:43:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright.

• 1:43:50Speaker 01

  So, but summertime, sometimes in Europe too.

• 1:43:54Patrick Bet-David?

  In Europe too?

• 1:43:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:55Patrick Bet-David?

  It's your favorite spot?

• 1:43:56Speaker 01

  In Europe?

• 1:43:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:59Speaker 01

  To be honest, I like all spots, yeah. I like to travel around Europe.

• 1:44:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you been all over, like?

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  No, not yet, not yet, but I've been a lot of places.

• 1:44:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you been to Monaco yet?

• 1:44:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You've been to Monaco?

• 1:44:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm assuming you love Monaco?

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:44:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Central Bay?

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  It's my lifestyle, yeah.

• 1:44:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying, with your lifestyle. That's a... When you go to Monaco, you realize how broke you are.

• 1:44:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:44:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You go to Monaco, you know, you know the average net worth of a person living in Monaco is thirty million dollars?

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  No, I feel broke every day because I have a lot of friends who is like, who has a lot of money when they talk about money and I talk about two, three millions.

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  They laugh at me, so everybody has his own thing, you know?

• 1:44:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:43Speaker 01

  That's why so uh we work on it, you know, everybody has his own.

• 1:44:50Patrick Bet-David?

  But you have the one skill set that's very hard, Armand. You have, you have a, so you know, currency isn't, isn't different, you know? Bitcoin could be a currency, real estate is a currency, right? Stocks is a currency, all this stuff is a currency. Getting attention is a currency and dude, you are a master at getting attention and you do it in the most effortless way. And, and that currency, people pay, there's a reason why for Super Bowl, they pay ten million dollars for a thirty second commercial to get in front of a hundred and ten million people. And you don't have a problem doing that.

• 1:45:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, what about Bitcoin?

• 1:45:30Patrick Bet-David?

  It's at sixty-five, seventy thousand right now, you know, if it goes to half a million, that's eight X, you know? I think if you're making money, you gotta, Robert went up three point four percent today?

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:45:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Really? Interesting.

• 1:45:46Speaker 01

  Do you buy Bitcoins?

• 1:45:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I have Bitcoin, I have Bitcoin, I uh, you know, not a lot though, I probably have less than five million of Bitcoin. Uh, but my money is more in equities. I have probably a hundred million in real estate. Um, you know?

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  The best real estate in Russia, by the way.

• 1:46:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Best real estate in Russia. Tell me why? Safety?

• 1:46:10Speaker 01

  Safety and it never fall, so it's going up so, so much.

• 1:46:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:46:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Russia real estate?

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. And if you have a friends who is developers and they give you good price and you can make, and you can double your money in one year.

• 1:46:27Patrick Bet-David?

  In Russia?

• 1:46:28Speaker 01

  In Russia.

• 1:46:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 1:46:29Speaker 01

  So if you wanna make money, let me know. We make money there.

• 1:46:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's do it, so we're gonna, we're gonna buy property in Russia together. This means-

• 1:46:36Speaker 01

  No, no, no, for example, like, sorry for interrupt you. For example, you buy a commercial or, or house, right? Here, you gotta wait like twenty years. For example, you buy a commercial for a hundred thousand.

• 1:46:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:46:47Speaker 01

  For example.

• 1:46:50Speaker 01

  And you give it to rent. You getting back your money in twenty, twenty years here. But in Russia, you get, get back in eight years, eight to ten.

• 1:47:03Patrick Bet-David?

  How is that? You're saying the rate of return is that good in Russia?

• 1:47:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, better than here because I calculate everything. And yeah, their return is faster and like the price is growing faster.

• 1:47:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you investing a lot right now as well or no?

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I invest mostly in Russia.

• 1:47:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Mostly in Russia?

• 1:47:23Speaker 01

  Because I know people who developers.

• 1:47:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Connections, contacts.

• 1:47:26Speaker 01

  I know like where.

• 1:47:27Patrick Bet-David?

  But your dad was also in construction, right? So he knows everybody.

• 1:47:30Speaker 01

  That's why it's easier. For example, if I buy something, he does everything inside for me.

• 1:47:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah, of course.

• 1:47:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, outside, so we don't waste money.

• 1:47:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And you can't get ripped off because you know that business. Your dad knows that business. You see, that's half the battle. Half the battle is the average person that gets into an industry, it takes three, five years, you know, seven years of making mistakes and then you make money.

• 1:47:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:52Patrick Bet-David?

  But if you can get into a space that you already have the context, the relationship, and somebody can teach you to not make the mistakes, there's nobody better than a dad to share that with you. I can't wait to meet your dad. I'm actually curious to know what his personality is.

• 1:48:04Speaker 01

  He needs a, uh, American visa. He doesn't, he, he cannot get it, get the American visa. Five times he was in embassy, five times he didn't give him. I don't know why. He is not terrorist, so.

• 1:48:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Five times you tried to get it, they didn't give it to you?

• 1:48:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he's, uh, maybe they ask him question and he's like worried, you know, that he wants to get the American visa so much. That's why he worry and they think like, uh, he has something to hide, you know?

• 1:48:33Patrick Bet-David?

  I think when you become a champion, you're gonna be able to do a lot of things you wanna do.

• 1:48:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:48:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And it'll be a phone call.

• 1:48:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's not, it's, it's okay. Me to be a champion, he's gonna be good in Russia too. So just, just bring their belt and give it to him, he's gonna be happy to him. Yeah, but I want, uh, he likes US. I don't know why. People who never been in US, they like more than who is in US. Everybody wants to come here.

• 1:49:01Patrick Bet-David?

  It's true.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  It's true, yeah. It's a, it's a land of opportunities.

• 1:49:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:04Speaker 01

  Because you can like create something and like.

• 1:49:08Patrick Bet-David?

  What's different? You, you go, you, you're in Russia all the time?

• 1:49:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, because in Russia, less people, less money.

• 1:49:15Speaker 01

  People has no so much money like here. For example, you open the restaurant, right? Here is so much people coming, tourists. A lot of people live here. And you're gonna have customers. And for example, in Russia, if you're smart, the millionaires and billionaires less in Russia because

• 1:49:41Speaker 01

  it's hard to, how do you say? For example, here, you have a lot of opportunities, so much. In Russia, if you're smart, you can make more money than here. But here, like for example, you came from Russia, you have nothing and you're not the smartest person ever. You can even go to Uber. You make money six or seven thousand and you can afford the house for your family and food. But in Russia, if you're like an Uber driver, you cannot afford. You gotta do something different.

• 1:50:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Because of people?

• 1:50:16Speaker 01

  Because of people. So for example, they don't have, people don't have so much money like here. They have money. The salary, average of salary in US is bigger than in Russia.

• 1:50:28Speaker 01

  And here, a lot of tourists, so much tourists, LA. A lot of tourists can, how many flights is landing in LA?

• 1:50:36Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't have it. Russia doesn't have a lot of tourists.

• 1:50:38Speaker 01

  Not so much like here.

• 1:50:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Because the weather maybe, because the winds.

• 1:50:41Speaker 01

  Weather and visas, I think. And like, they don't have so much thing like US has. You know, from movies. Everybody wants to come to go to New York, to see New York, Miami. Every movie is from Miami. Everybody has a dream to come to see ocean,

• 1:50:57Speaker 01

  the ocean drive, or what's it called that? Because of movies. Everything is coming from here and like people has.

• 1:51:04Patrick Bet-David?

  What a wave. I mean, it's crazy because when I was in Iran, we watched movies about here. So everyone was like, Rocky, oh my god, you wanna go see what, you know, New York is looking like, you know, all this stuff. And the movie industry almost promoted and sold America to the world.

• 1:51:18Speaker 01

  Yes, everybody wants to come from movie. New York, if you're gonna ask every girl in Russia, where you wanna go? I wanna go to New York. And they don't know like, maybe it's not the cleanest city in the world. It's not the safest city in the world, but everybody wants to go there.

• 1:51:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  And that's why they bring a lot of tourists here.

• 1:51:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, a lot of men here want to go to Russia, find a wife and come back here because Russia's got some beautiful women over there.

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, one of the best.

• 1:51:44Patrick Bet-David?

  One of the best, great genetics.

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you gotta come Russia.

• 1:51:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I look forward to it. I really want to go to Russia like.

• 1:51:52Speaker 01

  And then, and then you're gonna, you're gonna see what's the difference from Russia and.

• 1:51:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Where do I go if I go there? Like, if you tell me two places to visit, of course, I, I think I gotta go to Moscow, Leningrad.

• 1:52:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, there are places and then you come to Sochi, we go to mountain.

• 1:52:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:52:07Speaker 01

  We eat, we eat good food.

• 1:52:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Was that food, a video on Sochi, the snowboarding?

• 1:52:13Speaker 01

  No, it's one, it was in Kushevel.

• 1:52:15Patrick Bet-David?

  It was in Kushevel?

• 1:52:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. Yeah, I really want to go to Russia for a couple of weeks.

• 1:52:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you will love Russia. You will love Russia.

• 1:52:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I have a friend who, who lives all his life in the US, but they come to Armenia and they wanna go, or Russia, they wanna go back. Because they grew up here, they love, they live.

• 1:52:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Should I worry? Like, should my wife be worried that if I go to Russia, maybe I don't come back? Or will I come back?

• 1:52:43Speaker 01

  No, no, you come back, but maybe not alone.

• 1:52:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You're so funny.

• 1:52:47Speaker 01

  And we're not gonna tell.

• 1:52:51Patrick Bet-David?

  My wife's gonna be like, babe, why are you going to Russia so often? All of a sudden, Rob, we're setting up a podcast set in Russia where there's six months added to your business changes, lifestyle changes.

• 1:53:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, but everywhere is good. Everywhere is good if you have the right people. And so, I mean, US, nobody like.

• 1:53:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Do they treat you good when you're in the streets here? Does anybody bother you? They're all respectful.

• 1:53:17Speaker 01

  No, so good, respectful. And yeah, for example, yesterday I was sitting on the table and like one drunk guy came and like trying to like, like, uh, like, he did like this, like, mustn't, like.

• 1:53:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Squeezing your crap.

• 1:53:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, squeezing, I'm like, he's kid, you know? And that day, I don't know why, my friends gave me like bodyguard.

• 1:53:39Speaker 01

  But I don't need bodyguard, right? So he squeezed me and like I turned like he was like Albanian guy, you know? Bro, I respect you this, that. I said, "Bro, like if you respect me, why you like treat me like your kid?" "Sorry, I was drunk." He was a good guy, so he said, "Sorry, this, that." But can I imagine if the, he was starting like, "Why you saying that?" And like, and then... So when I like turned, the bodyguard say I was already angry like, "Why you like treat me like this? I'm not your kid, like come and like squeeze my, uh, the shoulder or whatever." "Don't do that if you respect me, right?"

• 1:54:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You told him that.

• 1:54:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I said, "If you respect me, don't do that."

• 1:54:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Albanians are tough. Albanians are also tough.

• 1:54:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, but...

• 1:54:19Patrick Bet-David?

  But it's...

• 1:54:20Speaker 01

  I mean, in US, you can meet everybody, so I'm saying like...

• 1:54:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Has anybody tried to fight you or no? At all? Has there ever been a time where you travel and someone tried to fight you?

• 1:54:29Speaker 01

  No, no, so, not yet, maybe. But if they wanna fight me, it's not a problem. I can't, I know how to fight, not get hurt myself, so...

• 1:54:41Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I think it's a bad idea. This is the thing, you know, sometimes where you go and, and... One time, do you remember Diego Sanchez? Old UFC fighter?

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:49Patrick Bet-David?

  He used to go, "Yes, yes, yes!" He was one of my favorite fighters. One day, uh, uh, one of our friends, he goes to a, uh, a party at a house in, uh, LA. And he has no clue who he is. And my friend's a regular guy, he's not like a tough guy, he's not a fighter, but he's a big guy. He walks up to him and says something to him. And Diego looks at him, he says, "You say one more thing, I'm gonna kill you." And Diego looked scary, right? When, when he was fighting. He comes back around, he's like, "I'm gonna go kick that guy's ass." And then one of Diego's people walks over and says, "Listen, just wanna let you know, that's the wrong guy to fight, that's Diego Sanchez."

• 1:55:31Patrick Bet-David?

  He looks him up, so the, the, the, the challenge is you pick on sometimes the wrong guys who know how to fight, who knows what could happen? And nowadays, you know, Arman, more and more people are learning how to fight. Thirty years ago in LA, people would fight all the time, you don't know who you were fighting. So at least, two people who don't know how to fight, they're fighting, they just have a temper. Now, there are more people who know how to fight today than thirty years ago.

• 1:55:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure, but, you know...

• 1:55:58Speaker 01

  All the time something happen, right? I meet every day some different people. I can feel like, you know, for example, if they tell me like even bad words, I just turn and go. If he's not a fighter or he's not like a, if he didn't like do something to me.

• 1:56:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you do that? Why do you walk away?

• 1:56:17Speaker 01

  Because I don't need the trouble. First of all, I don't wanna hurt him. I don't, I have like a goal, I have a family. I'm not stupid, like go to jail and I can. Every day something happen with me because right now I'm a famous and like a lot of people come do this, that. Like for example, in Russia, if someone come and squeeze me and if my friends see that, they gonna like fight him right away. Or just like a, like different, they, that's because of they can fight him, they not gonna do that. Because they afraid, they not like come and touch someone like even like a fighter. How you can come if you respect him like touch like this?

• 1:56:56Patrick Bet-David?

  In Russia, that won't happen.

• 1:56:58Speaker 01

  It won't happen because they know they gonna kicked out from this place even.

• 1:57:02Patrick Bet-David?

  If you do, by the way, what happened with Ryan Garcia? You had your friend with you and he said, hey, punch him in the stomach for forty thousand dollars?

• 1:57:08Speaker 01

  No, he has a forty thousand with him.

• 1:57:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:57:11Speaker 01

  He said, uh, he wanted to punch Ashton Hall, Ashton? Hall, the guy who is running?

• 1:57:16Patrick Bet-David?

  The runner, yes.

• 1:57:18Speaker 01

  And Ashton had said, no, I said, bro, like forty thousand for me, it's nothing. Double it, I'll take three punches. He said, no, I don't, I'm not rich like you, this, that. I said, okay, here's my friend, you wanna punch him? He said, yes, let's do it. And he put money on the stairs. I said, bro, I don't have cash with me. I'll show, I'll show him my bank account that I have thirty, uh, forty K there. I said, I'll leave my phone here. When we done, if he, if you, if you could hit him, hurt him and he's gonna drop, I'll wire, wire you right away. Because in my culture, if you shake the hand and like we bet, you gotta give back money. You cannot like say.

• 1:58:03Speaker 01

  So he punched it three times, he gonna drop him and I took the money and his accountant or whatever came and said, bro, here's more than forty thousand. Let me go upstairs, like count money and then come back. I said, okay.

• 1:58:17Speaker 01

  He came back without money. I said, where's the money? No, no, bro, we wire you. We need this money for tonight. We do something. I said, Brian, no, I need now my money. He said, bro, I swear God, like a man word, I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna wire tomorrow. One week, nothing. And my, I was in, I was, I was, someone like intermed. Did you get paid back? I said, no, he didn't send me money and he didn't.

• 1:58:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You never got the money?

• 1:58:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he didn't even like call me, what's your wire or why I'm not sending? And I FaceTimed you, I FaceTimed him and I said, bro, like, what's going on? Bro, you didn't tell me your guy is professional boxer. I said, why I should tell you like he's a professional boxer? He's my, I said, this is my friend. If you wanna punch him, punch him. I'm not stupid like to say you like, oh, listen, he's professional fighter. He's gonna take your shots and I'm, I'm not gonna bet, I'm, I'm gonna bet.

• 1:59:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So he thought you hustled him?

• 1:59:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm a smart guy, like I wanna bet and make money, right? So why I should tell him he's a professional boxer? And you see, he's like a huge guy with a broken nose. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta think like, he's, yeah, he's, he do, he does something. And then he fought with him. He did the boxing, the sparring with him on the body shot.

• 1:59:37Patrick Bet-David?

  When?

• 1:59:38Speaker 01

  The same day. And he didn't say this guy is professional or what? He didn't say anything.

• 1:59:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, so before this, they sparred?

• 1:59:44Speaker 01

  No, after this, they sparred.

• 1:59:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so you wanna show the, is this the punch? Let me see it real quick. Let me see it real quick, Rob.

• 1:59:51Speaker 01

  No, neither. It's gonna be right here.

• 1:59:54Speaker 02

  He knows the point that he can't hit.

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• 2:02:26Speaker 01

  Come on!

• 2:02:29Speaker 01

  Come on! I don't think I could do this. So he I would have failed. Yeah, he felt it that he's not gonna drop it because he's a boxer. He felt it, he's not gonna drop him with his one punch. And he has two left, and he stopped it and he's saying, "I don't wanna hurt him because he already know he's not gonna drop him." Listen what he's saying. Yeah.

• 2:02:51Speaker 06

  I'd rather spar.

• 2:02:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:02:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'd rather spar.

• 2:02:53Speaker 01

  Let's spar. Now he wants to spar because he

• 2:02:56Speaker 06

  You can take it, brother. I'd rather spar him.

• 2:02:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, you take it, brother.

• 2:02:59Speaker 06

  Because I'd rather let a man try to hit me.

• 2:03:01Speaker 06

  Okay. Yeah, you guys got it?

• 2:03:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait, you took the cash, then this guy comes, takes him from you, and you never got the money back?

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  No, no, and then I said, "No, it's not fair." The punch him two times again. I'd rather spar.

• 2:03:16Speaker 06

  Let's do it. I'd rather fight.

• 2:03:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, now they, no, he threw the three times. He couldn't drop him.

• 2:03:23Speaker 06

  No head, no head. Hell no.

• 2:03:24Speaker 01

  They did

• 2:03:26Speaker 06

  We're doing business with you, brother.

• 2:03:28Speaker 01

  We're not coming.

• 2:03:29Speaker 06

  One second.

• 2:03:30Speaker 01

  Come in the middle, bro. Come, come.

• 2:03:32Speaker 06

  Sad face for me.

• 2:03:34Speaker 01

  It's all good.

• 2:03:39Speaker 01

  So, and then they sparred. But, uh, to be honest, I don't care about 40k, just, uh...

• 2:03:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So you never got the money?

• 2:03:47Speaker 01

  No, no, and then I called him and said, "Bro, like, what's going on? Why you didn't say money?" Bro, he said, "Bro, it was a stream, so..." "We always do on the stream like this," and I said, "Okay." So, what I'm gonna say to him? We have a different culture. They do a stream and they do, uh...

• 2:04:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but you're a serious guy.

• 2:04:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, they live like this, I live different. And then he said, "Let's do sparring, let's do eight rounds, this, that." I said, "Okay, let's do sparring, but box, but let me use my elbows." He said, "No problem." So now we're waiting. Uh, we're gonna do a sparring. So, I can box him, but I have elbows.

• 2:04:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You're not worried about if you box him against Ryan?

• 2:04:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:04:30Patrick Bet-David?

  So you can't kick or wrestle, it's just boxing, except you can use elbows.

• 2:04:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can use elbows.

• 2:04:34Patrick Bet-David?

  And you think you're gonna hang with Ryan?

• 2:04:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm gonna try.

• 2:04:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Ryan's a...

• 2:04:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a legit wrestler.

• 2:04:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, there's no question.

• 2:04:42Speaker 01

  But elbows could help me too.

• 2:04:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Elbows could help you, he's...

• 2:04:46Speaker 01

  He never hit with elbows, so... Elbows, there is nothing.

• 2:04:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:51Speaker 01

  It's nothing.

• 2:04:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:53Speaker 01

  Even...

• 2:04:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, it hits the face, he's...

• 2:04:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, one cut, that's it.

• 2:04:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:56Speaker 01

  So, and then...

• 2:04:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, you gotta get in though, right? You gotta get through him, because he's got the reach.

• 2:05:02Speaker 01

  Now, he said, after that conversation, he tweeted, "Let's do eight rounds, I'll pay you 100K." So, eight rounds, and I tweeted him back, "I'll give you cash, 1 million, if you survive one round in MMA." So, now I'm just waiting, just waiting. But it's just trash talking, you know?

• 2:05:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and he's good at it as well.

• 2:05:24Speaker 01

  He is good on his thing, I'm good on my thing.

• 2:05:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, totally.

• 2:05:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Both of you guys get eyeballs, you know, at one point, he was the guy in the boxing time, and I hope he gets back into it, because he's actually a very exciting fighter.

• 2:05:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:38Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a very exciting fighter.

• 2:05:39Speaker 01

  Fast, so...

• 2:05:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he is, he is, very rare you...

• 2:05:45Speaker 01

  But now I know, if I'm gonna do a stream with him, I'm not gonna bet money.

• 2:05:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Or if you do, take the money and don't give it to his accountant when he comes up to you.

• 2:05:54Speaker 01

  First time in my life, someone like...

• 2:05:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You say stuff like this, if an Armenian sees him in the streets, you don't want the Armenians to go after him and say, "Hey."

• 2:06:03Speaker 01

  No, I told Hamzah... No, no, I told Hamzah, he said, "40K? I'll go for 40K to his house." I said, "Bro, like, please, do your thing."

• 2:06:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Leave him alone.

• 2:06:16Speaker 01

  And then we figure out, so... Yeah, but, uh...

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  We'll see, when we see him, we talk to him, and we figure out, maybe we do some different bet.

• 2:06:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:28Speaker 01

  But it's, you know, it's always... But I have a bet with Aiden Rose. Hamzat versus, uh, Hamzat versus, uh... I put fifty K on Hamzat, he put fifty K on, uh, uh, Strickland, so... And I told him...

• 2:06:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Fifty fifty?

• 2:06:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I told him.

• 2:06:47Patrick Bet-David?

  He put fifty Strickland against Hamzat?

• 2:06:49Speaker 01

  I wanted to put like one million, he said like hundred, uh, he said fifty, fifty, I said okay fifty. He, against Hamzat, he put fifty. Yeah, it's a tough fight, you never know.

• 2:06:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, Strickland is...

• 2:07:00Speaker 01

  Even, uh, Hamzat, my friend, is my brother. But, uh, you never know, it's a fight, and second, uh, Strickland is tough, tough, a tough fighter, so... He has a lot of, uh, a lot of good things, you know?

• 2:07:14Patrick Bet-David?

  When is it? When is it? Is it in May?

• 2:07:16Speaker 01

  May ninth.

• 2:07:17Patrick Bet-David?

  May ninth?

• 2:07:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so... But I told Aiden Rose, brother, fly out with... So I, uh, fly out with money over there. Cash, and I'm gonna bring cash as well.

• 2:07:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that GSP sitting next to you?

• 2:07:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, legend.

• 2:07:31Patrick Bet-David?

  He's like one of the nicest

• 2:07:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:34Patrick Bet-David?

  legends of all time.

• 2:07:35Speaker 01

  Uh, he, he was with the streamer, with me, you know, and like, GSP, uh, like, he was in the zoo with us.

• 2:07:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:43Speaker 01

  He got in the zoo with us.

• 2:07:45Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's not his style, he's not that guy, he's a, he's a low-key guy.

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  But when he was with us, we were like, good, you know, like, respectful, when he was gone, and like, we started like, talking shit.

• 2:07:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he is truly a class act.

• 2:08:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:00Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a class act.

• 2:08:01Speaker 01

  Different level.

• 2:08:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Strickland, you know, Strickland is a guy that... You, did you, did you see the clip that one time where a guy came in to try to rob him, or this, do you, have you seen that clip?

• 2:08:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, with the gun, he came, came out with the gun and the...

• 2:08:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, and he just, I don't remember what...

• 2:08:16Speaker 01

  No, he's, uh, he's really like this.

• 2:08:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, he...

• 2:08:18Speaker 01

  He carries all day the gun and like...

• 2:08:21Patrick Bet-David?

  No, he's a, he's a tough guy, he's not a, uh, is this it?

• 2:08:25Speaker 01

  He is.

• 2:08:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he shows up out of nowhere. I don't know if this is the one or not, but there's a clip where UFC Champ Shanty came outside with a gun. Yeah, so Strickland is not a guy to be messing around with. But at the same time, I mean, listen,

• 2:08:44Patrick Bet-David?

  you know, comes out his, you know, it should, I hope it's a good fight. That's the only thing. Any, any of these things that happen, you want to see a good fight.

• 2:08:52Speaker 01

  It's gonna be a good fight.

• 2:08:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:55Speaker 01

  I'm so excited for that fight.

• 2:08:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you're gonna be there?

• 2:08:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:59Patrick Bet-David?

  That's gonna be, May's gonna be where? Where's that fight at?

• 2:09:02Speaker 01

  New Jersey.

• 2:09:03Patrick Bet-David?

  New Jersey, okay. Got it. New Jersey, and then June is gonna be, are you gonna be at the White House?

• 2:09:10Speaker 01

  Uh, we'll see. I gotta talk to UFC. How, maybe yes, maybe no, so.

• 2:09:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So if you're not, if you're not on the card, are you gonna go? I feel you have to be there.

• 2:09:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have, I have to be there.

• 2:09:22Patrick Bet-David?

  You have to, because right away, the camera's gonna go right on you.

• 2:09:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I gotta, I gotta ask UFC and we'll see what they.

• 2:09:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, there is no way in the world you're not gonna be there. Like, it's not gonna be them, it's gonna be you choosing to be there. They have to have you in the arena.

• 2:09:36Speaker 01

  So we'll see. They, they didn't ask me like to be there, but I'm gonna ask them. Let me, if I'm not gonna fight, let me see it on the first row and like to be there because it's my title fight, uh, it's in my weight class. If not, I heard they selling tickets, so I just buy it and go. Who cares? Who cares?

• 2:09:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't need to buy it. I think Dana, you know, whoever it is, they, they, because here's what's gonna happen. Whatever ends up happening, say 90-10 Toporia wins. And Justin is still a dog. Like, he can make one contact and it's a.

• 2:10:11Speaker 01

  Never know. Can I imagine? We're like underestimated that Gage and he goes and knock him out.

• 2:10:17Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, every single time he's been in a fight, every single time he's been in a fight, you're like, wow, you know, maybe the other guy could win it.

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  Even last one.

• 2:10:24Patrick Bet-David?

  He comes out of, he's like, how the hell does he do, he's, he's an insane fighter. He's an insane fighter who is.

• 2:10:30Speaker 01

  So much experience.

• 2:10:30Patrick Bet-David?

  He has so much experience, yeah. But whatever, whatever happens in the results, the camera's gonna pan out and it's gonna go right here.

• 2:10:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So it's gonna happen. It's gonna go right here. And then, uh.

• 2:10:41Speaker 01

  I'm excited.

• 2:10:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:42Speaker 01

  Excited.

• 2:10:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm excited, I'm gonna try to be there as well. If you're gonna go there and they're fighting, I'm gonna try to go there as well myself. And, uh, we went to this last one, Dana's, uh, in my opinion, he's the best promoter in the world out of all sports.

• 2:10:55Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 2:10:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Dana is, uh, one of a kind and we're a big fan. Arvind John, this was great, I really appreciate you coming out, I'm glad I, uh, we, uh, we exchanged messages and we made it work, I know you had a fight going on, so, you did your thing and now you're here and, uh, I look forward to the day we celebrate as the first Armenian UFC champion.

• 2:11:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, so when I get the belt, I flew out here and put the belt on this table and we talk again.

• 2:11:19Patrick Bet-David?

  One hundred percent, and then maybe we fly to Armenia together.

• 2:11:23Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:11:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And then that's a whole different story and we go out there and celebrate how the people are gonna be celebrating you.

• 2:11:28Speaker 01

  Favorite food?

• 2:11:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I like.

• 2:11:30Speaker 01

  One of Armenian, Armenian.

• 2:11:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Armenian?

• 2:11:33Speaker 01

  Dolma?

• 2:11:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Dolma ampan, man, but it's, you know, remember, I'm Parskahay.

• 2:11:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:38Patrick Bet-David?

  So Parskahay for me, we have this stew called Ghorme Sabzi. I don't know if you've had it or not. Have you ever gone to Rafi's place?

• 2:11:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've been there.

• 2:11:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so if you go to Rafi's place.

• 2:11:48Speaker 01

  Rice with, uh.

• 2:11:49Patrick Bet-David?

  With this stew that they have, Ghorme Sabzi, can you type in Ghorme Sabzi?

• 2:11:54Speaker 01

  How he's gonna type it?

• 2:11:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Try to spell it, okay, do G H O R M E and then go space, there you go, right there. And then go to images. I'm not even kidding, you're watching it, I'm getting hungry.

• 2:12:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:12:09Patrick Bet-David?

  That is the greatest meal. If I have a last meal, they come to me, they said, what do you want your last meal to be? It's this guy right here.

• 2:12:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've tried this.

• 2:12:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Ghorme Sabzi, and if the people know how to make it.

• 2:12:22Speaker 01

  With the rice?

• 2:12:23Patrick Bet-David?

  With the rice, yeah, and maybe a little bit of Somakh, I know that kind of something.

• 2:12:27Speaker 01

  So now you gave me idea what I'm gonna do next for my, uh, food in, food in the...

• 2:12:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you know how to make this?

• 2:12:35Speaker 01

  No, no, I just, just order and like do food content with this food.

• 2:12:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, brother, I, uh, uh... I'm willing to bet anybody that's watching this right now that is Armenian or Parskhai or Iranian, they're gonna know about Gormesab Zestu. This is, hands down, the greatest meal in the world. You will age backwards if you eat it from the right person. It's that good.

• 2:12:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Brother?

• 2:12:59Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:13:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Anytime. Absolutely.

• 2:13:02Speaker 01

  I'll see you in Washington DC.

• 2:13:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I look forward to it. If you're telling me you're going, I look forward to it. I gotta find a way to get out there.

• 2:13:07Speaker 01

  I'll call Donna Hunter and they're gonna let me be there because...

• 2:13:12Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a must.

• 2:13:13Speaker 01

  Because I'm their favorite fighter.

• 2:13:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You're their favorite fighter. That's it. No issues, no nothing, no problems with you.

• 2:13:21Speaker 01

  All good.

• 2:13:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Easiest guy to deal with.

• 2:13:23Speaker 01

  Easiest guy to deal with. Never ever problem with me, so.

• 2:13:28Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 2:13:29Speaker 01

  No more maniac anymore.

• 2:13:31Patrick Bet-David?

  No more. No more, no more headshot.

• 2:13:33Speaker 01

  Good guy.

• 2:13:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:13:35Speaker 01

  Can't imagine me doing something on the White House.

• 2:13:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, listen, you said spectacle, but you know, there's a balance to it, right?

• 2:13:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta know what you do.

• 2:13:45Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you do it in the White House. There's snipers at the top, you got drones, you got the president sitting there. Have you met, have you met the president? Have you...

• 2:13:53Speaker 01

  I've seen him, but not in person.

• 2:13:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You haven't met him yet?

• 2:13:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So, I'm a big fan of Trump too, so.

• 2:13:59Patrick Bet-David?

  There you go. You like strong personalities, both Trump and Putin.

• 2:14:02Speaker 01

  Trump, Putin.

• 2:14:04Patrick Bet-David?

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