Democrats Come After Musk & Zuck Thinks About Leaving California | PBD Podcast Ep. 878

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• 0:13Patrick Bet-David?

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  You are a one of one? My son's right there.

• 0:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so listen, some friendly advice to you. If you say you've never married your brother, which you shouldn't have. No. But let's just say if they're interviewing you and saying rumor has it that you married your brother, you should never say, "Not to my knowledge." So I'm just telling you, like, "Not to my knowledge." After FBI is coming to investigate, they're going through your trash, you know they found stuff, and you're trying to raise $5, $10, and all you can say is, "Not to my knowledge." Vinny, did you marry your sister? "Not to my knowledge." Who says something like that? Did you shoot everybody at the supermarket? "Not to my knowledge." My gun might have been on there. So first of all, fire your attorney. Okay?

• 1:08Patrick Bet-David?

  But that's one of the stories, as crazy as it sounds, that we're gonna talk about today. The other story is, you know, a Vivek ad that came up about Amy Acton, his opponent, which has a lot of people confused of what happened because Amy Acton's mother came out and says, "You don't know my daughter," all this other stuff. And then the story comes out that at nine years old, Amy Acton's biological mother marries another guy and sexually and physically abused Amy at nine years old to the point where she, the mother, lost custody. And then Vivek puts out this ad, and it's just, it's, I'm like, there's a lot of things to be said about it. We'll talk about it today. And, by the way, the best way to measure if it was a good ad or not is data. Yep.

• 1:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Very simple. And Tom's gonna show you the one data. Not what anybody is saying on the Republican side, on the Democratic side, "Oh my God, you guys gotta just get behind him and all." Forget about what we say or anybody says. Study the data on how the market reacts. We'll show that to you. By the way, 22 million people have already voted. Highest turnout ever for midterms. We've never had this kind of a turnout. And you know when it's earned a turnout, it's not Republicans. Republicans come late because they got jobs. But Democrats, they have a lot of early turnout that came out. And some people are worried. You know what the biggest plus minus in an early turnout? Is of course a lot of Democrats and also non-affiliated voters, specifically in the African-American segment, that have come out aggressively, voting early.

• 2:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So we'll see what that, if the data reveals itself, Tom, it's not gonna be a good look for Republicans. That's what a lot of, uh... A lot of angry independents voting. Exactly, exactly. Next one is, we have to talk about three men, folks. I mean, this is just weird stuff. You have this California man who said the ICE killed his wife. Kidnapped her. Kidnapped his wife and killed his wife. And then later on, when they investigate, the California man killed his wife. Then we have the second story, which is the Virginia man, okay? A hero. This man, at 64, 65 years old, he was so sick and tired of his wife talking while he was watching football that he duct taped his wife to a chair just so he can watch football for 30 minutes. In the basement, yeah.

• 3:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Some are calling this man a hero, some are saying he's a villain, who knows? I mean, it's all in the eye of the beholder. We have to find out what people are gonna say about it. And then we have the Florida cop. This may be the craziest one you're ever gonna hear today. You ready for this? This Florida cop goes to a house, finds a person dead in the house. So instead of reporting it, this cop, not a regular Florida man, Florida cop, finds out the man is dead. He decides to take over the house, pays the man's bill, doesn't report that the man is dead, and even renovates the place for years while he stays as a cop. My God. Crazy. Yeah. So who's the craziest story? Is it the California? Is it the Virginia? Is it the Florida? Who the hell knows? But we're gonna talk about it. We're gonna talk about it.

• 4:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And then we have another story of a body cam. Devastating tragic story in Mississippi. One-year-old boy gets shot. Mother was almost like protecting herself from the kid. Terrible story. Zuckerberg is being told he's gonna leave California because of 5% wealth tax, which probably is gonna be 8% to 10% for him. And so Facebook worries about losing Zuck to leave because they're working on all these AI projects. They offer him an eight-year position to stay there, plus take $20 billion dollars of cash off the table and have the control of the shares. So Zuck, allegedly, according to Wall Street Journal story, is staying in California. And on top of that, Rokana used this as a story to tell people that billionaires are willing to stay in California. It is so amazing, and they're still willing to pay the wealth tax.

• 4:47Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a phenomenal marketing campaign for a person like Rokana. But we're gonna get into this story. Yesterday I had Frances Haugen from the movie The Social Reckoning, the movie that just came out. She was a whistleblower that ended up costing Facebook to go through all these lawsuits. 47 states sued Zuck, and they had to pay, I think, two days ago, $25 billion just to New Mexico. What happened? We'll cover that story. And then this next story is a little bit emotional, but I think some people are gonna be sentimental about this. Mummies have been removed from an exhibition over lack of consent. What? Yeah, mummies. Because they never agreed they would be willing to be at this exhibition because they didn't consent to it, Vinny. And I know you're having a hard time with this one, but I'll give you a minute.

• 5:30Patrick Bet-David?

  But a story that Vinny loves, because Vinny's favorite player in the world is LeBron James. Yep. LeBron James, a couple of days ago, they're playing, by the way, shout out to them yesterday. They had the biggest comeback, LeBron's greatest comeback ever of coming back. And they beat Cleveland, it was actually a good victory for them. But two days ago, National Anthem, he doesn't stand up, he's practicing his golf swing. And then afterwards, when they ask him, "Did you hear what Trump said about you? You have to hear what he had to say." And then in the WNBA Finals! Dude, you're in the Finals! Back-to-back game. Guess what the starting lineup does? They walk off the field, off the court, they play the National Anthem. You know who played the National Anthem? Alanis Morissette, I think that's her name, right? She's like, "Oh my God, the player's leaving." She sang the National Anthem, then they came back in. Shouldn't there be a fine for this? I absolutely think, yeah. You're making the money!

• 6:15Patrick Bet-David?

  What the hell are you doing if you did this in any other job? Yeah. But we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Some people see these guys as heroes. New York, you know when you go to New York with your girl, your wife, and it's like, "Hey, we're going to honeymoon, we're spending time there." And Tom, have you ever gone on the carriages, the horses, in New York with your wife? Have you guys ever done that with a girl of yours? Yes, we actually did, and we took the girls on them when they were younger. Beautiful. Tradition, second New York tradition if you're traveling. Effective June 28th, you can never do that again because Mamadani has passed on a law that's gonna get rid of that in Central Park. So folks, if you've never done it, you better hurry up. By June 28th, it's gonna be gone. The union with the horses is suing and saying, "What the hell are you guys thinking?" Because there was an incident this summer where tourists came, got killed with the horses, and they're saying this is not good, we're cutting it. So we'll talk about that.

• 6:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Elon Musk got threats from Kara Swisher, Clinton, and others, saying, "Hey, we're coming for you." And Elon said, "If you do," you have to see how we responded to it, like a gangster, "if you do, I'm gonna find you." Okay? Kinda like the girl from the movie Wedding Crashers. "I'll find you." Elon said, "He will find you, and he will come after you. No matter how much you spray on that wound on Vince Vaughn's knee, I'm gonna come get you." It was kind of a scene. United Airlines CEO says, "I think wealth tax is okay, we should pay the wealth tax." This is a guy that's got the shittiest customer service for an airline, and no airline in the world loses more luggage than United Airlines. Yet he wants to say, "You're gonna pay your wealth tax." Knock it off to billionaires. You know what his salary is, by the way, what this guy made last year, United Airlines CEO? $32 million. He's having a hard time financially. Poor guy.

• 7:43Patrick Bet-David?

  But he's not a billionaire, so tax the billionaire, but not me, because I only make $32 million here, Vinny. Not the billionaires, tax them. But I'm poor. I'm down here. I'm just a regular middle America guy making $32 million here as a United... Poor guy. Anyways, we'll talk about that guy a little bit. Yankees, there's so much I wanna say about the Yankees, but I won't. However, my friend, who's a Dodger fan, Will, Tom, he's got a lot of stuff to say about the Yankees. But I love baseball, and it's important that they're strong Yankees. Hal Steinbrenner came up and said some stuff about the Yankees, what happened, Aaron Boone. A lot of fans are a little bit confused on what's going on. And Hal indirectly blamed the players for a bad year for, not the pitchers, but offense. We had a bad offense, we'll talk about that. Bukele, there's something very attractive about this guy. You guys ready for this?

• 8:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So apparently, two of his, four of his Salvadorian folks go on a humanitarian trip to Haiti to help out the people in Haiti. The gangsters in Haiti get ahold of these four people that are just trying to help out. You know what Bukele says? "Oh, you wanna do that to my people?" He sent his special forces to go and get those four people back in Haiti. Can you imagine that? Somebody should hire this guy to be the National Police and protect a bunch of different places, what he's got going on. By the way, somewhere in Bukele's bloodline, I bet there was like a full-on criminal gangster, brutal, tough guy that gave Bukele more the character, you know, values, Christian gangster, that he goes and gets the bad guys. But somebody in his bloodline, I bet, was semi-MS-13 type of a person, but who knows?

• 9:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, so those are some of the stories that we got, and some more stories that we have to address. But let's get into it, a couple of different things. For some of you guys that are part of the boardroom. Last night, we had a great event at the cigar boardroom lounge, members only. We had, originally it was only supposed to be seven players, if you have the clip. Seven players from the 2001 Miami Hurricanes show, Miami Hurricanes show up. You know what happened by the end of the night? Everybody showed up. Ed Reed was there, Jeremy Shockey was there, Andre Johnson was there, and Clinton Portis was there. It was a phenomenal night for members, guys. If you're not a member, so many people showed up, they're like, "Hey, mom, I just became a member because of what you said on the CTA." That's not even the election night. This was just last night, McKelley, Mono, the team did a great job.

• 9:53Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're not a member yet, and you're in Florida or around the country, wanna be a member, go to boardroomcigarlounge.com. Again, boardroomcigarlounge.com, let's put a link below. Fill out the application. Everybody's a business owner, you do deals with them, great relationships. Next, for some of you that are watching, the beautiful shirt Tom is wearing. If you look at Tom's shirt with the FLB logo on it, or the one Vinny's wearing, the black one, with the FLB logo on it, this is all I wear. I no longer wear those $900 to $1,200 shirts because it would rip apart. This is all I wear. I still wear my Stefano Ricci suit, but when it comes on to white shirts, I'm only wearing the FLB shirts. And if anybody today, this is only today, goes and buys any of the FLB shirts today, we are including, this is, this is, this is one of the coolest things that we have.

• 10:38Patrick Bet-David?

  We have these free laser engraved stainless steel collar stays with each purchase that on it, it says "Future Looks Bright." Very, very sick, really unique piece that we have. I don't know if the picture's on the, on the side or not, the video while you're watching it. So you order a shirt, per shirt you order, you'll get one of these that are sent to you. So I suggest you buy all the colors that you have for your husband, for your son, for yourself, and pick up an FLB shoe or two with it, the loafers especially, as you're matching it with the shirt. So go to FLB.com to place your order. Again, go to FLB.com to place your order. With that being said, let's get right into it. The story I wanna start off with...

• 11:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Is the Vivek ad, the Vivek ad with Amy Acton, who is his opponent in Ohio, the race is she's getting a lead in a big way. And all of a sudden, we're like, okay, October surprise. Let's play a clip and the clip that they wanted to put up was Amy Acton's mom, his opponent, telling the world about the true Amy Acton. And then afterwards, hell broke loose. Watch this video, go for it.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  I'm Mr. I'm a Arthur and I'm Amy Acton's mother. I worked to children and family service association, building one of the first two sexual abuse programs in America. I love my daughter, but when I saw her lying about her opponent, it's not easy for a mother to say this, but Amy has a serious problem. She is a liar. She lies about her past. She says she grew up living in a tent. None of that is true. She's lied her entire life. My daughter needs help and she can't help you if she needs help herself. People can change, but first they have to tell the truth.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  And my daughter still isn't doing that. Don't vote for people who lie. Don't let her become your governor.

• 12:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  If you think she'll make your life better, you're fooling yourself.

• 12:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there. By the way, so brutal, brutal ad from your mom about you. Think about how painful that would be. So before we go judging whether this is a good ad or not, let's just see how data would show. So if it was a good ad, it's fair to say gamblers and betters and people that are like, well, I would bet on, you know, the language, I would bet.

• 13:01Speaker 03

  My.

• 13:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Amy's gonna lose. I would bet Vivek's gonna lose. I bet this ad's gonna help Vivek. Okay, so let's go look at the numbers of the day it was released. So October 18th, beautiful day. It was released, this video at, on that day, Amy Acton was at 70%. Vivek was at 30% on calcio with $4.2 million. That Amy was winning. So if the ad was a good ad, that 70% would become 55% and the 30% would become 45%. But let's see what happens, go for it. Instead, Amy's chances goes from 70% to 81% plus minus of 11. That's the only way a marketing is gonna judge it. Row ads, you know, or how, how much the CAC is or any of this data, a data person is gonna look at this.

• 13:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, few things that you gotta be thinking about on what happened. JD Vance has responded to this. Uh, Trump's responded to this. Here's what the vice president had to say. JD went asked this was his college roommate. Uh, they were friends in college and I even believe he named his son after Vivek. If I'm not mistaken, JD's son's name is Vivek. If you have JD's clip, he was asked about this on the ad and his response was not, hey, I like the ad or I don't like the ad. This is what JD had to say about the ad, go for it.

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• 15:46Tom Ellsworth?

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• 16:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I'll be honest with you. Whether the ad was appropriate or not is not really my concern. What is my concern is who's gonna govern the next generation of American government? Who is gonna win the Senate race in the state of Ohio? Who's going to win the governor's race in the state of Ohio? And I gotta be honest that when I see Republicans, people in my party reacting so strongly, especially elected officials. Look, have the opinion you want to have on that ad. If you think it was too tough, say it was too tough. If you think it wasn't tough enough, say that. But I have to admit that I'm a little bit disgusted when I see Republicans across the country who are whining more about that advertisement than they are about what the congressional Democrats and other Democrats want to do to the United States of America. So we already see where this goes.

• 16:56Patrick Bet-David?

  It's tough. It's a tough listen. I'm telling you, it's hard to listen to this, right? And JD is one of the better talented guys. And then the story comes about because Amy responds and she says, the story comes out that at nine years old, she was both sexually and physically abused by her mother's husband, second husband, not her father, her stepfather. She was abused and the mother sided with the ex-husband, uh, the husband. And she walked, she loses custody of her daughter. And this is somebody that the mother said she worked at two sexual abuse programs where she worked at. That's what she did for a living. The only daughter that she wouldn't protect is her own daughter. If you think about that story, right?

• 17:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Vivek responds back, you know, doubling down, hey, we did this. And he did say, we did not pay her. Uh, is this, is this Vivek talking about Amy? Go ahead and play this clip, go for it.

• 17:51Tom Ellsworth?

  We have a chance to elect a governor who, I hope I'll lay it out for you. A positive vision for our state versus a governor who has none at all other than to complain about what someone else did to her. That is the choice we face.

• 18:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so Tom, now that we've heard it all and Trump also, uh, came up. And look, the reality of it is Ohio is a better state with a man like Vivek running the state than Amy Acton. That's not the debate here. No one's sitting here debating that Vivek is not more qualified, smart business. He's gonna lower taxes. These are the ideas that he has in place, purely policy to policy. Okay, this is not a policy to policy conversation. This is October surprise ad. Was this an effective ad? Is it gonna work? Is it not gonna work, Tom?

• 18:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, this was a misdirected effort. And what was misdirected about it is that, you know, I, I just don't think they did full diligence, Pat. I mean, I'm stunned. I'm literally stunned. If they did full diligence and found out that this woman has been estranged for 50 years from her daughter. No one's disputing that fact, by the way. Uh, that, that Amy was a victim of, of abuse at nine years old. Nine years old, that's just, this is, that just is crushing to me. And so I don't think it was as good diligence. And then Trump.

• 19:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think they knew?

• 19:18Tom Ellsworth?

  I, if they knew and they ran it, they deserved the worst loss in the history of American politics.

• 19:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Role play. Do you think there was a conversation of guys, should we go with this or not? What's the worst case, best case scenario? This is a guy that build a company and he's a pretty wealthy guy. Do you not think you're gonna make a data-driven decision? Is this gonna land with the audience or not? Do you not think they had that conversation with some smart people in the room?

• 19:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes, I absolutely do. And in my career, I've listened to my people around me. I've asked all the questions I can ask and then something horrible happens. And then I come back and it's like, okay, I'm on the hook, guys. I said, yes, I greenlit it, but this is where it went. And I've had to let, let people go over things like that. Because, you know, as a leader, Pat, you can listen to your people. You can ask the questions about it. You can do all those things, but at the end of the day, you make the call and something like this comes up and it's devastating. What was devastating to me is that the president came in to defend. The president was trying to help. The president was saying, here goes the media again. And when Donald Trump was saying that, he was right.

• 20:24Tom Ellsworth?

  But then later we find out all of this, Trump wouldn't have said that after, after, after. He would have sat there and says, can somebody please tell me, you know, what, what happened here? Because he's trying to come out and defend a candidate and defend a governorship in Ohio. Do the things.

• 20:39Patrick Bet-David?

  He's supposed to do that.

• 20:40Tom Ellsworth?

  He should do it.

• 20:40Patrick Bet-David?

  He's supposed to, that's a job.

• 20:42Tom Ellsworth?

  By the way, I, I, I am just struggling with this and I can see Trump in the Oval Office right now breaking chairs. Because I'd be breaking chairs if I came out and then I, I'm like, wait a minute. I supported you, you didn't check on, ah, it's just horrible. It's just, it's just horrible. And when I look at this, you can see how fast it went. If we could go back to the calcio real quick and just put on one week and look how steep it was. People like you and me that are out there with us one week. Let's look at this. This thing just goes in hours. It's a 10-point swing in a matter of hours, 72 hours, 96 hours. This thing swings. So this was, this, what the October surprise was, is Vivek Ramaswamy

• 21:27Tom Ellsworth?

  just stepped on a rake and the surprise hit him in the face. And I, and, and Vivek's a friend, you know, but I, you look at this and say, you know what? Not this way. And look at all the people that got caught up into it. I'm, I'm really, I'm disappointed and I'm frustrated. And I, and I'll tell you, I don't, I don't support Amy. I don't support her policies. I don't think she's the right choice for governor. But I'll tell you, to suddenly have that situation from when you're nine years old, abused by your stepfather, thrown back. Kinda like this, man, that's dirty pool.

• 21:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 21:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, everything Tom said. It's also her brother, as far as I know, has corroborated her story. So it's not just her saying it. There's another family member who's

• 22:07Patrick Bet-David?

  With the Michael.

• 22:07Tom Ellsworth?

  There's another family member who's corroborating what happened.

• 22:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Joining the mom or?

• 22:11Tom Ellsworth?

  No, joining her.

• 22:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 22:13Tom Ellsworth?

  And so it's just disturbing. It's a it's bad taste. No American, like this is just a demonstration of how dirty politics has become. I think Americans are tired of it. I think it's just it's dishonest.

• 22:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let me ask you this question. Here's a question for you. If Trump was running, okay, go, go, let's go to different personalities on how is this a This wouldn't have worked with anybody, or it doesn't land with Vivek. So let me give you the different people. So imagine you're Hillary Clinton going against Trump. Okay, and a story like this comes for Hillary Clinton. And Trump has it. Similar to what happened to Amy Acton, Hillary Clinton went through hypothetically. Flip it. Similar to what happened to Amy Acton, Trump went through. Who would this ad have worked with? That if they played, it would have had a positive effect on him or negative, or is it no matter who the candidate was, this would have not worked for them?

• 23:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Because remember Herschel Walker, the sun came out, said something negative about him. You got the forty seven second thing with John Kerry. You got the George Bush senior that went against Dukakis and the whole, you know, well, he kind of ruined it for himself. You have the grab him by the, you know, the Bush

• 23:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 23:24Patrick Bet-David?

  With Trump. So I'm asking a very interesting question here. I want to see what you think about. Could anybody have launched this video? It worked positively than negatively, especially Trump?

• 23:33Tom Ellsworth?

  So my, my personal take on it is because of the nature of the allegation of abuse to a nine year old. I think it's, it's not going to work for anyone.

• 23:42Patrick Bet-David?

  With anybody?

• 23:43Tom Ellsworth?

  I personally don't.

• 23:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You understand what I'm asking?

• 23:45Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm, I'm, I'm.

• 23:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Because some, like, for instance, what's every, a lot of people are trying to be When Obama's, like, I remember a guy that would try to speak like this one guy at the previous company we were a part of, he couldn't do it. He sucked.

• 23:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 23:56Patrick Bet-David?

  But that guy was a phenomenal speaker. But when Obama's president, people try to talk like Obama.

• 24:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Of course.

• 24:01Patrick Bet-David?

  If you think about a lot of people who are in their seventies and eighties, you know who they talk like? They talk like Johnny Carson. Why? Because you watch Johnny Carson?

• 24:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 24:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Some speak like Letterman, some speak like, you see the different era of comedians when they come up. So a lot of people are like, well, I'm going to be like Trump. But you either are Trump or you're not Trump. Do you think Vivek is trying to kind of do that?

• 24:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, he's always been a good speaker and he's always been that.

• 24:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Since he was a kid, when he did the valedictorian speech.

• 24:25Speaker 03

  But he, but he, if you guys, because we went to the debates, he sounded, and there's clips of, he sounded like Obama. And don't get me wrong, he tried to have the attitude of Trump, but it doesn't, mind you, amazing, amazing debater. But what I think people are failing, and you nailed it, Elon, politics is a dirty game, and like, especially with this month leading up to the midterms. They're spending millions and million, like, tens of millions of dollars on these ads and everything like that, but as a conservative, I don't like that take. And like, I, I totally believe that there was a meeting and they're in there, but if you guys are looking at the numbers, even if it was a ten point swing, Tommy, he's losing horribly.

• 25:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  Hor- seventy, thirty, I don't care if it's eighty, twenty, you're not going to win. And this is like a hail Mary last ditch effort. But let's not forget why he's there, Pat. I think one of the main reasons, because Vivek was on fire at a point. But in December two thousand twenty four, when he said, our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long. You're going to crap on Americans. It basically say, our culture doesn't prioritize academic excellence enough and argued, you know, why tech companies recruit overseas and stuff. You crap on Americans and Americans are listening, bro. That's a big example, Tommy, of Americans going, no, no, no, no, bro, we're not going to do it. I'm one hundred percent anti this, you know, October surprise, hail Mary, somebody's mother, I don't paying or not.

• 25:50Speaker 03

  Bro, to have somebody's mother sit there and say that type of thing, there's zero money involved. Well, she volunteered just to be like, hey, I'll completely bash her even though it's false. I think it's disgusting and as conservative, what is, what was the Democrats thing? When they go low, we go high, whatever the hell that was, you're not supposed to play that game.

• 26:09Tom Ellsworth?

  There is one potential positive is that it could set a precedent when people start looking at this response, that in the future, people are a little more timid to make such deep personal attacks about childhood trauma. Like, this might be a warning sign that they're looking at saying, okay, Americans aren't responding to this kind of language anymore. This kind of advertising anymore, this kind of message.

• 26:28Patrick Bet-David?

  But I, but I, but I think you either know or you don't know, you know, whether this is going to be a good ad or not, and you're, you're right, maybe this is going to be something where others in the future, like, don't attack this area, don't attack that area, don't touch this area, let's kind of keep it here. But politics is a nasty game. And by the way, for me, you know, a part of it for me is the logical player. Where as a marketer in your career, you do a lot of ads, you're like, that did not land. That was horrible, dislanded. Oh, my God, that was a bad ad. Oh, my God, I never thought this was going to be that good of an ad. Look how much ad leads this ad brought in, right? You never know. You know what we learned? This is bad. And by the way, can you run a simple poll? And folks, I want to ask you, does this turn you off?

• 27:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Or are you like, no way, I'm still showing up, I'm still voting. Does this ad turn you off? Yes, no? I'm curious to know how you would respond to that. Very simple poll. I just want to get the numbers on that, on what you think about it. But let me get to the next one. With the next story that comes out of nowhere. Very weird stories came out yesterday. One video was dropped yesterday was Lindsey Graham and his previous gay lovers, but also the other video that was dropped yesterday was Ilhan Omar is being interviewed by somebody, I don't know if it's CNN or MSNBC, one of the ones, and she's being asked. I think it's the guy, Chris Hayes, right?

• 27:45Tom Ellsworth?

  MS Now.

• 27:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Chris Hayes is asking, hey, did you really marry your brother? Was he really your brother?

• 27:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I was, I was shocked. I could not believe she says, not to my

• 27:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Knowledge.

• 27:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Knowledge. What do you mean not to my knowledge? If somebody says not to my knowledge, hey, babe, honey, did you hook up with that girl? Not to my knowledge. Did you really, did you really used to date that girl? Not to my knowledge. Did you really? I mean, it's like, that's a line what a player would say to their girl. Not to my knowledge. So listen to the way she answers this to MS Now. And he, he's trying to protect her, obviously, because he's on her side, but watch this clip. Go forward.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  Who was this man that was your husband? When did they start saying that he was your brother? Why?

• 28:34Speaker 04

  It started with the Somali blog. That I don't know if it still exists, but somebody put in there that, you know, that he had to have been my brother or something to that effect and right wing conspiracy theorists in Minneapolis got a hold of it and they just kind of went and like found random people who were like, she introduced us, you know, she introduced him to us and said he was her brother. Which is, you know, insane. I mean, I don't, I don't know those people that they talk about. He was not, you were not related to him at all. Not that. There's not like, there's not some weird kernel of truth that's through some game of. Not to my knowledge.

• 29:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Not to my.

• 29:16Patrick Bet-David?

  What? No, go back and ask the question one more time, please. Go back and ask the question one more time. There's another clip playing in the background. Go back a little bit and, yeah, right there. Watch this.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Talk about? He was not, you were not related to him at all. Not that. There's not like, there's not some weird kernel of truth that's through some game of. Not to my knowledge.

• 29:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, not to my knowledge. All right, so let's go through the timeline. She marries her first husband, they have two kids together, okay? But she marries it in the church, not like documented by the court, all that stuff, okay? So if you can zoom in a little bit, yeah, September thirtieth, two thousand and two, applies for marriage license with Ahmed Hirsi in Hennepin County, Minnesota. They say they married religiously, but never finalized a civil marriage. They have two kids. They separate through a religious divorce, according to Omar. Two thousand and nine, legally marries Ahmed Noor Said Elmi, a British citizen in Eden Prairie, Minnesota, a Hennepin county marriage certificate documents, the wedding. Two thousand and eleven, Omar says she and Elmi religiously divorced. No legal divorce is filed and the civil marriage remains valid.

• 30:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Has a third child with Hirsi after reconciling with them while still legally married to Elmi. Omar and Hirsi filed joint marriage tax returns despite not being legally married to each other in two thousand and fourteen, two thousand and fifteen. Allegations emerged that Elmi is Hirsi's.

• 30:36Speaker 03

  Is Omar's brother and that their marriage facilitated immigration benefits Omar denies both allegations neither is proven legally divorces Elmi through Minnesota courts approximately six years after their reported religious separation legally marries her see in Hennepin County Minnesota campaign finance board orders Omar to reimburse 3.4 something million dollars to pay to find investigation documents enjoyed so anyways legally then divorces her see this is getting very complicated following public allegations of an affair with political consultant Timothy Minette the effort was disputed marries Timothy Minette their marriage license is filed in DC Omar campaign pays men at political consulting firm 2.78 million dollars FEC closes its

• 31:19Speaker 03

  investigation then the investigation reopens under Biden just a nasty thing that's going on here and then today she's out there asking five ten dollars dollars of donations saying she's being targeted by Trump very weird situation of what's going on this is the clip of her asking for money almost being emotional about it so Vinnie where are you at with this do you think anything's gonna happen and what are the facts that you find about her marriage to her brother allegedly well first and foremost first and foremost this is going to be right to me because you know accountability and everything that we talk about if this woman with if it's all right and if you because obviously Pat we've been calling it forever where her her her name is Ilhan no said Elmi okay because according to the court filings and Janine Pirro said she

• 32:04Speaker 03

  identified her as this name that's her that's the brother's name like it's almost without a shadow of a doubt she did this and she lied okay and what what makes it more interesting Pat is this all started under Biden so my point that I'm trying to make is if she doesn't if they don't get her mind you this is one thing the marrying the brother okay the feeding the future all that stuff that's happening in Somalia where she is implicated her fingerprints and her people are all over this thing and then come to find out her husband the lying with the money it was worth thirteen thousand dollars and all of a sudden it was three thirty billion I'm sorry thirty million and she goes whoops and apparently um Tim Burchett yesterday well two days ago was

• 32:44Speaker 03

  on the podcast back they were sending people empty barrels of wine there's oh oh yeah they were almost saying that as if it was a like you know Hunter Biden with his two hundred thousand two hundred fifty thousand dollar paintings that's what it's doing back and and it's coming to find out that it's all BS and I think mind you you know what they're saying the brother marriage thing is the lowest thing on the totem pole apparently and allegedly they lied about her date her team went to the library of of whatever in Minnesota changed her birthday that's on that's all factual and then Ilhan Omar came to America as a refugee after her family fled Somalia but here's something I want you guys to know about her father no Omar Muhammad according to his

• 33:27Speaker 03

  obituary he was the Colonel of the Somali National Army under the dictator Mohammed Sia bar whose regime and he was he was responsible because he was with them Pat mass atrocities uh thousands hundreds of thousands of people killed here's so when your family's fleeing the government and the collapse we take refugees Pat because you need help from fleeing that that regime but he was one of the main guys you were a Colonel to helping kill all these people so there's a lot of questions my point is this Pat if they can't get her if this administration this isn't a witch hunt and I hate when people play this racist stuff if you're one of these people that's out there and her crocodile tears I need five dollars I need ten dollars you're a fool

• 34:10Speaker 03

  okay if the Trump administration the Department of Justice pack can't get somebody that's this blatantly obvious I've lost the there's nothing gonna happen to anybody and they're all on the same team because we're still waiting for what James Comey with the shells he's he might get off and and what's his name with the mustache um John Bolton got in trouble from everything that they've done from Obama the spying the bill uh Hillary Clinton and Biden this is this is all we're at Vinnie do you think there's any chance of accountability in it me personally no because I feel like like you know what it is and that great question Elon I feel like we like the administration keeps dangling past something in our face and we go to bite and then they take it away and I'm not I don't want what the Democrats do and they purposely and they tell you like

• 34:55Speaker 03

  Slotkin we're gonna come after you get arrest some people because it's gonna happen because Elon once they get in power and we're gonna get into that story with that they're gonna be hypocrites we are screwed the Trump administration's fine because he's gonna get pardon they're all gonna get pardon and we're gonna be like hey guys what about us because we've been in this fight bro we've been how long have we been supporting Trump when it wasn't like cool when they were punching people in the face for wearing the red make America great again hats Pat I don't know I hope I hope because it seems like she's guilty but if nothing happens I'm gonna be pissed

• 35:26Tom Ellsworth?

  I would love to see a behavioral specialist analyze that clip for deception the one where she's saying not to my knowledge you know it the entire situation is just very weird again accountability is something I don't have faith in anymore in this country which this is just another demonstration of it and this story has been going on not for a short amount of time it's been going on for years years and it still hasn't developed into something where there's you know significant significant action that's been taken against her she's gotten away with so much stuff that at this point and you don't you so you don't think anything's gonna happen I don't have faith in the system anymore I think I'm kind of similar to a lot of Americans in that sense uh this would be such a public extreme this is Twilight Zone level stuff yeah like if you go back 20 years and you told me a situation like this could happen in the United States when

• 36:09Tom Ellsworth?

  I was like a 25 year old I'd say that's an impossibility and yet here today this is

• 36:13Speaker 03

  and you know the worst thing is too Pat the arrogance attitude of her out there and it's been happening forever Tim Walz has been quiet Ellison has been quiet in Minnesota but the arrogance of F like F America and she bleeds it and taking money now saying give me five bucks give me 20 bucks but and Elon did we talk about accountability they stolen Minnesota Tommy dude tens of billions of dollars and then you want to talk about accountability this is it's not like

• 36:37Tom Ellsworth?

  it was a criminal enterprise it was an organized criminal enterprise call it that when you speak

• 36:42Speaker 03

  absolutely was and they intimidated witnesses that were coming forward going hey we work for them and yeah they're stealing money they went after them intimidated him but if I'm gonna go back Pat for 30 seconds you want to talk about zero accountability we know we don't think we know Obama and his freaking CIA and his Department of Justice and everybody with Hillary Clinton and the DNC lied and they set up Trump with Russia collusion

• 37:05Tom Ellsworth?

  FISA abuse they had major FISA abuse that's never been acknowledged this is the single biggest scandal perhaps it's a massive scandal and no one cares about

• 37:13Speaker 03

  no and I'll put covid aside because because Biden pardoned Fauci okay they played a tricky game but which killed millions of people but not one person has gone to jail for the biggest scam Russia collusion and they want us to think Elon Omar is gonna get in trouble Pat no

• 37:27Tom Ellsworth?

  one FBI okay yeah you one guy yeah I have a slightly different take I think this is gonna be all headlines and it's gonna be a lot of things come up and it's not just the media it's not just a press releases such as accusations those were federal agents with boxes coming out of her house so there is evidence being collected now why do I think it's just gonna be headlines because I think when it really comes down to it when it really hits the fan in public are they really gonna do this and then turn around and go to everybody everybody in Congress is checkmated one way or another a

• 38:04Tom Ellsworth?

  donation you took somebody did that you had a you had a a Nicaraguan nanny that wasn't properly documented or documented at all for crying out loud so I think when it comes down to it she's gonna have enough support and enough votes on any committees of censure and things Pat that's not gonna happen and I don't think that this will go all the way to the mat because I think everybody is checkmated everybody it's like you you allowed this really okay well get ready to sit in a chair at your hearing you're gonna be sitting there I think this is headlines I think the DOJ is gonna come up and be short of actually taking action which is boom and by the way I speak

• 38:49Tom Ellsworth?

  from something I know about we would sit there you may I went to Pepperdine and people talked about in open terms hey there were organizations in LA Pat that would pay you men and women five thousand dollars to marry somebody from Mexico remember before they changed the law to literally have a weekend marriage to get somebody over here so that they could have the marriage certificate they could get a green card citizenship and then flip it then they changed the law and they started auditing well how long were they married 72 hours but it wasn't a weekend hookup holiday you were given five grand to help somebody get to the United States illegally I didn't do it but at

• 39:29Tom Ellsworth?

  the time I went to school it was all over Southern California then they changed I I wasn't friends with people but I knew people that took the money and did it and I'm like that's wrong you shouldn't be doing that then they changed the law and they came down on them and so I think what's gonna happen here headlines DOJ but I don't think they take it to the mat which would mean you got here illegally you're out of Congress you're out of the United States and we're done here I don't think they're gonna go that far

• 39:57Speaker 03

  so let me tell you so you have three different camps the camp that doesn't think anything will happen the camp that is skeptical but open and then there's a camp that thinks something that's gonna happen okay none of you guys are in the camp of something's gonna happen to this girl okay you guys are in the camp of nothing's gonna happen you're in the camp of semi nothing's gonna happen but you wait skeptical leaning maybe so but let me tell you if you look at the approval rating of the CIA or the FBI or the federal government it's the lowest it's ever been and the reason for it is because there is no accountability right I think this administration has an opportunity to change that and view it in a completely different way if they're able to do something if you're not gonna do something by

• 40:40Speaker 03

  the way like for instance Trump sues BBC you guys saw for the 10 billion dollars so you know what BBC comes back and says hey no problem hey findings come you want to accuse you gotta come to deposition and go through and I think he has to show up December 11th if I'm not mistaken yeah if you don't show up and do the deposition by December 11th it's gonna be dismissed all right

• 40:59Patrick Bet-David?

  So these things have to be done like I had this girl on Francis uh uh Hagen from the Facebook whistleblower and one of the things that caused her to go and blow the whistle was January 6th J six okay and then I in front of her in front of her I'm I can't I show the clip of BBC manipulating the video of what he said to go to the Capitol and she says I've never seen this before

• 41:22Speaker 03

  Oh really

• 41:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And then I said but wait a minute she says you know what can you pull up the transcript I want to know what he says afterwards Connor pulls up the transcript we read the whole transcript of what he said afterwards she had nothing to say

• 41:36Speaker 03

  Really

• 41:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing to say so then I said so do you think the idea of suspending him off of social media even though he said go do it peacefully he said peacefully she's then she's like why I I'm and then she she almost wanted to kind of change the subject it was actually a very good conversation and she ended up being very fair with the conversation that we had but there was a part of it that if you can go to the BBC clip if you go to the BBC clip this is the one that this is what really happened and then what BBC played and then go to the transcript go ahead

• 42:05Speaker 04

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• 43:49Tom Ellsworth?

  We're gonna walk down to the Capitol

• 43:53Patrick Bet-David?

  That's BBC

• 43:54Tom Ellsworth?

  And I'll be there with you

• 43:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Scary music

• 43:55Tom Ellsworth?

  And we fight we fight like hell we're gonna walk down to the Capitol and we're gonna cheer on

• 44:06Patrick Bet-David?

  He manipulated the whole thing

• 44:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Our brave senators and congressmen and women

• 44:10Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna cheer on now go to the transcript go to the transcript of what the speech was the the it says anyone's now we're gonna go Congress we're gonna walk down to Capitol and we're gonna go cheer our brave senators probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you'll never take back our country with weakness you have to show strength and you have to be strong we have to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count elect uh the electors who haven't lawfully slated I know that everyone soon will be marching over there to the Capitol to be to peacefully and patriotically make your voices being heard but what's the key word peacefully guess what BBC didn't put that and even the girl from Facebook who's the whistleblower is like we know you know Trump got suspended she had never seen this before think about that okay so where am

• 44:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I going with this these things they're they have to be held accountable when George Stephanopoulos had to pay the fine for what they did and the words that they use there has to be accountability Trump's administration they're not in the best place right I think the approval rating is the lowest it's ever been I don't know if you've seen the approval rating or not these are there's two or three things they could do to have a massive spike in plus minus and approval rating one of them is accountability if they're able to hold people like her accountable you're gonna gain a lot of respect back from people who were hoping there's gonna be some accountability you have to have slow victories like this so if you release this if you release this I think in May he gave a speech about this

• 45:39Patrick Bet-David?

  if you want to pull it up when he was talking about Ilhan Omar I don't know if you have the clip or not I texted it to you if you don't don't worry about it we can move on to the next story yeah if you can just play it from right there he's joking go go fast forward for about five seconds when he starts right there so he jokes about it watch this

• 45:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Then she married a brother to come in I don't know you know but I think I would imagine they're looking at her I have nothing to do with it

• 46:01Patrick Bet-David?

  This is May

• 46:02Tom Ellsworth?

  I would imagine of course I have nothing to do

• 46:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Five months ago

• 46:06Tom Ellsworth?

  I have nothing but I believe she married her brother which is totally illegal although it's a lovely couple actually but it's it's a little bit on the illegal side darling I love you very much

• 46:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Darling I love you very much

• 46:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Goodnight brother

• 46:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Goodnight brother

• 46:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Isn't she despicable I can't

• 46:27Speaker 03

  There's no one who could say what he's saying in the way he says it

• 46:33Tom Ellsworth?

  She accidentally checked the wrong box it says she was worth 38 million dollars and law enforcement came after her for that and then all of a sudden she was worth less than 80,000 dollars

• 46:45Speaker 03

  Oh yeah that's the other thing crazy

• 46:47Tom Ellsworth?

  She said it was accounting it was an accounting error

• 46:49Patrick Bet-David?

  So so you can pause it right there so the point is this you if you if you drop this like this you know it's like you start talking dirty to your girl and then you're like yeah no I'm gonna go watch the football game wait what you got me all hot and everything and then you leave the bed and then there's only so many blue you know you can handle and eventually like dude what are you doing so this is the foreplay and then walking away dude nothing how do men feel when that happens or how do women feel when that happens to you right yeah hey I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go see the boys hey babe I'm gonna go make a sandwich for the kids before you make the sandwich for the kids finish the flipping job right before you leave

• 47:32Speaker 03

  Long term

• 47:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So I feel like I feel like a lot of American voters respectfully have blue balls right

• 47:37Speaker 03

  And you're absolutely right

• 47:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Finish the flipping job

• 47:40Speaker 03

  My head's about to explode no pun intended but but what I'm what my point is my my point is this guys if this was a Democrat administration and the rules were reversed what would what would

• 47:51Tom Ellsworth?

  They would never stop

• 47:52Speaker 03

  She'd be gone what even hold on she'd already be in prison everything would be we saw it with Trump that's what I'm saying is like bro that say what you want about the Democrats Elon they play to freaking win it's a dirty game and they're willing to get dirty and they get in the mud conservatives are like no no it's come on and I'm not talking about the ant and the effect that's disgusting this when bro when something walks like a duck smells like a duck feels like a duck it's probably a duck it's she is quacking her ass off with her brother and her husband and all this stuff and it's like bro we have less than two years less than two years come November we're still waiting

• 48:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me go to the next story the next story I want to go to it's go ahead finish your

• 48:34Tom Ellsworth?

  I just wanted to say corrupt power dynamics which you see in virtually across the board not just politics you could see it when it comes to certain cases in law enforcement that are clearly very a bad look you see it anywhere in Hollywood it's very very rare to see in that kind of dynamic that the people at the top who hold the most power actually get held accountable there's usually a fall guy at a much lower level

• 48:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way this is this is this is leading to some very nasty comments being made so Elon Musk retweets a video and comments in the video of Kara Swisher saying if the midterms go this way you're gonna see what they're gonna do to Elon Musk and Elon's like wait what and then Hillary and then other people back this comment so watch this go forward

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Kamala Harris he might be in jails right now right he is correct and that's not because of she's some avenging fury it's because there's a lot of questions around different companies of his if Donald Trump loses the House and Senate I would worry I'd be worried if I were him you know no matter how rich he is there were all these agencies some of which he put a knife in and killed in the Doge many of whom are investigating him he stopped like a half a dozen investigations of his various companies so they're gonna start investigating again you think he's not on the list he's at the top of that list Donald Trump obviously is at the top and his family but Elon Musk is right up there for that and you have to he knows what's coming like he's not stupid like of all the

• 49:55Speaker 02

  many things you can say about him is he he has a very big sense of fate and I think it's coming for him

• 50:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there so now watch Elon sees this he comments if you can go find a tweet it says message received okay message received and he also says if I find out that you guys come I'm coming for you live by the sword die by the sword those who pick fights with me should understand that I will find out who is really pulling the strings and come for them not just for their puppets okay this is not a joke anymore they're going to come after this guy in a big way and then Hillary Clinton in a different podcast this is what she had to say go forward

• 50:34Speaker 02

  So yeah I think follow the money that's where it should you know be

• 50:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh really

• 50:39Speaker 02

  The first order of business

• 50:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Follow the money what she did with Haiti

• 50:41Speaker 04

  The other one I would look at would be Doge like what happened and where did the information go and what did Elon get you know I think if you had to pick one tech figure I suppose one of the reasons he backed Trump in the first place and I said this at the time everyone was surprised was that it was an existential crisis for him if he didn't those investigations that were already beginning and the scrutiny would have continued and he managed to take down every agency that was investigating him and so to me

• 51:07Patrick Bet-David?

  He is the example, right, of that kind of shadow president? And looking into him would be, I think, a lot, it would be an example. So if there's one thing that they do have right, the most powerful man in America, respectfully, is Elon Musk. The most powerful man in the world, in my opinion, is Elon Musk. Maybe it's too early to say it'll be validated in five years because of what he's doing with communication, with Starlink, with his battery, with his cars, with his SpaceX. But this is not a regular guy they're going up against, right? To the point where world leaders are worried about Elon more than they're worried about what Trump's gonna be doing.

• 51:50Patrick Bet-David?

  And they're uniting, okay, they're coming together. So Trump, Elon knows they're gonna come after this guy in a big way. Tom, when you hear something like this happen, and something like this being said, and by the way, you know what else Hillary Clinton said? Says, "If we take the House, we should raise the number of Supreme Court seats to 13," I believe she said. "From nine to 13," okay? She said that, it's documented as well. They already have their plans. Kamala's also said this, "To pack the court." They've been saying that, "To get rid of the electoral." There's a lot, like what the Republican Party almost got, that Amy Coney Barrett didn't help close, which was the single most important thing. You know what it was? Voter ID. It was number one above all.

• 52:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Folks, if only people knew how important that was for them to get done, and they didn't get done. These guys are gonna take the complete opposite side of voter. You know what's the complete opposite side of voter ID? Electoral. Getting, the complete opposite is to have, "Well, look, Hillary Clinton got 4 million more votes than Trump." Hillary Clinton, that way, because of certain states that are blowing their certain demos. If they get rid of that, liberals are gonna be winning year after year after year after year after year for presidents. And Amy Coney Barrett, Supreme Court Justice, is the reason why you don't have that. Just so you know that. She's the one that you don't have that. So, Tom, when you see something like this with Elon, and Kara Swisher and Hillary Clinton, what they're saying, do you believe them?

• 53:13Tom Ellsworth?

  I more than believe him. If you take a look at Elon, I think he said something once, and I think he realized just how things can move. And it's when he said, "Financing assured." He was making a comment about one of his companies. He was going up and he needed financing. And he said, "You know, funding secured." I think that was the tweet. He goes, "Funding secured." And the SEC and everybody else jumped on him. You know, it was like 400 and... Yeah, it was when he was making also marijuana jokes, 420 jokes. 420 used to be, "4:20 PM, let's meet behind the gym and get high." And so 420 became that. There it is, there we are, if this is on screen for people.

• 53:58Tom Ellsworth?

  There it is, "420 a share, funding secured." And it caused massive stock volatility. And the SEC came out and said, "Dude, you can't do this." And so there has been an evolution of Elon who learns two things. He learns where the next market gap is where he wants to go, and how to get people behind it. And the second thing he learns is who's with him, who's against him, and what they're doing. And he learned here, "Okay, this is how the SEC is gonna work. Okay, well, then I have to play that." And now you're playing with him, and he's just, instead of saying something like this, he just says, "Message received. Live by the sword, die by the sword. You wanna go?" Really, what he's saying, Pat, is, "You, oh, you wanna go? Let's play."

• 54:41Tom Ellsworth?

  And the game that he is playing is so much different than the game that they're playing. I would not wanna go up against him. And I think he knows exactly what he needs to do. He can outspend their opponent. He can find issues that they don't want or they don't like. And he can go hard on those issues. There are so many things that he can do. "This is what you're gonna go after? Okay." And I think that's the message here. I think they're underestimating Elon Musk's character. He's the type of person who's never cared about how much money he has, how much public, you know, how much public following he has, what people think about him. They're picking a fight with someone who really will push to the end. He's typically stood by his ideals more than anything. So if he believes someone's coming after him,

• 55:25Tom Ellsworth?

  he'll do everything in his power to stop them. It's also just, we've seen... Amen to that. Yeah, and we've seen Democrats, time and time again, use the full political force available to them, whether it's the federal government, whether it's connections in entertainment to silence people, go after political opponents, try and arrest people. So Elon Musk now is at the top of that list. They're probably picking the wrong person to do that with.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  You think so?

• 55:45Tom Ellsworth?

  And they fear, you could see how much the establishment fears individual power when it comes to Elon Musk, and how they've continuously tried to come after him. So, again, I don't know how this is gonna turn out, but I do think Elon Musk has the capabilities to stand up for him.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  Well, thank God, but I've said this how many times? Thank God, he's leaning towards the sane, conservative side, okay? And one of our good friends, I think you guys know him, Patrick Bedavid wrote, "Choose your enemies wisely." This is not a good enemy to go against, is Elon. And he is not, Pat, when he says, "I'll find out who the puppets..." Trust me, he has access, and he has the connections. He'll find out, like with the Reid Hoffman's, and who's putting the money to make you say what the hell you're saying.

• 56:26Tom Ellsworth?

  You think he knows?

• 56:27Speaker 03

  Oh, Tom, absolutely.

• 56:28Tom Ellsworth?

  You think he already knows when he says, "I'll find out." He has access to everything.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 56:32Tom Ellsworth?

  And I think that's part of the game. He's already moving. "I will find out who's behind you," but he already knows.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Oh, of course.

• 56:37Tom Ellsworth?

  That's 3D chess.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  Oh, Tom, he knows, but then, and again, this goes back to the point where you're talking about, the Democrats, you think that's gonna stop them? They play to win, and they're gonna play freaking dirty. And Pat, when Hillary was saying that she wants to pack the Supreme Court, Elon tweeted this. This is literally their plan to end democracy. Can you click on the actual Fisher King, Pat? He says, "The playbook will go something like this. Win back the House and Senate, hopefully the presidency in 2008. Admit DC and Puerto Rico as states, which doesn't need a constitutional amendment to gain four new Senate seats and cement control. Three, pack the court, which only requires a change of the Judiciary Act of 1869, not the constitutional amendment. Eliminate Electoral College, boom, which is unconstitutional. But when you have the rigged court that finds a loophole, flood the country with violent migrants, swamp the natives,

• 57:23Speaker 03

  and hold power indefinitely." Their plan is out there. And again, we're gonna get to the story.

• 57:27Tom Ellsworth?

  They're public about it.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  They don't care. What are you gonna do? They'll tell, dude, say what you want. They're gonna tell you their plan, too.

• 57:34Tom Ellsworth?

  By the way, this is the globalist plan to destroy Western civilization. And it has to take down the one shining light where the future still looks bright, where there are still patriots and coming on. So I see this, and it pisses me off. But if I know their playbook, I'm gonna come after their playbook.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Damn right.

• 57:49Tom Ellsworth?

  Because I happen to think that the people that want liberty, freedom, and the Constitution which we stand are gonna come up. And I think the future looks bright because we're about to identify the patriots that wanna step forward into this bullshit and stand in the void and make it happen, not just point at it and say, "Look what they're trying to do." I wanna know who are the most, who are the popular candidates we're gonna bring up? I wanna know who is gonna be behind them? I wanna know, when is the GOP gonna wake up and put those candidates forward? I wanna know, when is an independent party in this country really gonna stand forth this independence with somebody that's standing there and driving it? That's what I'm waiting for. I get so pissed off looking about all, what they're gonna do, what they're gonna do, what they're gonna do. They should worry about what I'm gonna do when I stand on liberty and freedom and the things that I hold dear,

• 58:34Tom Ellsworth?

  and I get people that are behind me. Because the people who are behind me are gonna have more passion, more dedication, more force, more drive, because they're political. I'm coming from the heart. And you cannot beat the heart of the people when you light up that heart.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  Oof, that's what I'm talking about.

• 58:49Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, Vinnie said something earlier. He said, "I'm happy that he's, you know, leaning toward more the sane, conservative approach." He's not. He's leaning toward what Tom just said, which is true and our foundational beliefs and our principles in this country, which are under attack. It's not right versus left. If you're a patriot, if you care about the foundational principles of this country, they're worth defending. They're worth defending to any extent. We have nothing without that. And he sees a direct attack on those ideals and those principles. And I honestly believe he's the type of person who's willing to die for those ideals.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  Thank God.

• 59:17Tom Ellsworth?

  So, and we have to start speaking up about that kind of thing. Packing the court, all this stuff that they wanna do, absolutely insane.

• 59:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, they, here's the part you have to realize. So today, the other day, Dylan Tickle's asking me a question. He says, "So Dad, who is the current Charlie Kirk?" "So what do you mean?" "Who's the current Charlie Kirk? Who are young boys looking at right now?" I said, "Who do you think?"

• 59:40Tom Ellsworth?

  It's a great question.

• 59:41Patrick Bet-David?

  "I actually don't know." "That's why I'm asking you." "So you don't know?" "No, okay." So remember that Avengers are, there's not just one Avenger. There's Avengers, multiple type, right? And they all play different roles. Charlie was playing the role of the youth. Young men had an example of somebody to look up to, Tom. That somebody to look up to, Tom. And so it was like, one of those things where you're looking at what these Avengers are gonna be. If I ask you right now who the Avengers are, who are the Avengers? Trump's one of them. Charlie's gone. Musk is one of them. Who else are the Avengers? Call the Avengers right now. Who else you put on that list? I think Rubio's one of them.

• 1:00:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, who else you got on the money side? Who else you got on the media side? Who else you got on the sports side? Who else you got on the Hollywood side?

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  I think like Dana White's an Avenger.

• 1:00:27Tom Ellsworth?

  100% Dana White.

• 1:00:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Dana White's an Avenger, I think.

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  I think like Brandon Gill, he's one of those like lower key.

• 1:00:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you gotta go bigger. He's a junior, junior, junior Avenger. I'm talking about guys that are true Avengers with a lot of influence. You have to think media.

• 1:00:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Guys like Mel Gibson, oddly enough. And like, there's some people on the right, like Chris Pratt has spoken up, pushed people more toward faith.

• 1:00:47Patrick Bet-David?

  So you have to know some of these guys that are the Avengers. So to me, where I'm going with this is, go to what happened to Charlie. The day before something happened to Charlie, you never thought anything was gonna happen to Charlie. He thought he was gonna be around forever. Okay, go to if they do something to Elon. Go the next day. So actually, think about it. So what is the estate planning there? He just put a billion dollars into Sky, uh, uh, Sky, Skydance, or is it Skydance? Am I saying it correct? He put a billion out. He owns a part of CNN now, just so you know that. He went in with David Ellison and Larry Ellison, just announced, he announced a billion dollars yesterday, right? So what if something happens to Elon? What happens to Twitter? Who buys it? Does his estate keep it? Who runs in this state? His kids?

• 1:01:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, man.

• 1:01:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Who actually manages that? If something were to happen, what happens there? So to me, you, you better believe, I'm always looking at, you know, if, if you're a street guy, you always have to think about who the enemy is going to take out first.

• 1:01:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So if the enemy takes out, the way to do it, do you work bottom up? Do you one by one by one, take the people at the bottom and then you take the top guy out? Or is it faster to take the top guy out? And out doesn't mean necessarily killing, right? In this situation, they killed Charlie is what they did. They killed him. But Elon better have the best of protection for himself and not only that, also proper estate planning to know what happens if something were to happen to him.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  He's for sure planned ahead.

• 1:02:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he for sure has planned ahead, but you'd be surprised how many people who have not planned ahead of what's going to happen with the running of the operation, running of the business. This is very important to me. A lot of billionaires in the past, like Ford, who thought Ford was going to be protected forever. Ford is the reason why we have so many mosques in America. I don't know if you know this or not. Ford brought the first Imam to Michigan. The reason why Michigan is the way it is, is because of Ford. Ford had a massive, massive hate. He was a very well-known anti-Semite. And what he did is, he, the way he did it is, he says, hey, let me bring people from Syria, from other countries that were willing to come and work for minimum wage. He kept bringing them in and eventually accidentally brought an Imam who eventually ended up funding the first,

• 1:02:56Patrick Bet-David?

  what year is it? The, the, that they ended up building the first mosque? So, yeah, right there, he was bringing Arab workers. If you look at it right there, and then eventually it led to in Dearborn, Dearborn becoming this. So I hope all of that has been intentionally organized because things are going to get nasty. For me, I'm convinced the future looks bright because God's on our side. 100%. I believe God's on our side and I think the right people are finding each other. We need a bigger backbone. We need to be able to sell our ideas better than the others because we do have better ideas. What Charlie did right is he sold the ideas good. He sold the ideas that we have. You can have a great product with a terrible salesperson and you can lose to a person with a horrible product and a great salesperson.

• 1:03:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Right now, Democrats have a horrible product, but they're doing a better job selling.

• 1:03:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 1:03:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And we have a better product and we have to do a better job selling. If you have a better product and if you're better at articulating the message better, you end up winning. So we have to do a better job selling the ideas continuously. Let me get to the next story. So while all this stuff is going on, Zuckerberg all of a sudden announces that maybe he may be leaving California. Rumors are going around that he may be leaving California. People are like, wait a minute. Zuck's leaving California. He may leave California because the wealth tax, guy's worth a few hundred billion dollars, so he's considering leaving California over the wealth tax. Well, Meta board sits there because Sergey Brin announces, two days ago, the article came out that Sergey Brin, Vinnie, saved 15 billion dollars of wealth tax

• 1:04:29Patrick Bet-David?

  leaving the state of California to move to Florida. And on top of that, he just bought his 174 million dollar house, Sergey Brin did. If you want to pull up that story on the amount of money he was saving. And so the next day,

• 1:04:43Tom Ellsworth?

  In Miami.

• 1:04:43Patrick Bet-David?

  In Miami, the next day, yeah, 51 million dollars drops. No, but there's another story. That's not the one. It's 15 billion that he saved in wealth tax and 174 billion. Just type in Sergey Brin, 15 billion, wealth tax, you'll see it. Yeah. 15 billion. The article will come up. Uh, let me see which one that is. Yeah, he could, he could owe 13 billion dollars if he loses. This isn't the one. It's a different one. So Meta sits there and says, we need to think about an idea. So what do they do? They announced to Zuck that, hey, eight years, stay in California, near Meta. Meta's campus is massive and Zuck is the one that's very much involved with their next AI program. This article dropped 48 hours ago, threatened to leave. Meta met with the board.

• 1:05:28Patrick Bet-David?

  They allowed them to take 20 billion dollars cash off the table without losing his control because right now I think he owns 16.3% of shares, but he owns, he owns, owns 64% of voting rights.

• 1:05:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Right. Does each of his shares have special super votes?

• 1:05:43Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. Similar to what the Peter Thiel thing that you and I would, you, you talked about. So he has that level of control. Founder's share. So, so Zuck, all of a sudden, the announcement comes out that he is staying in California now. Then Ro Khanna tweets out and saying, hey, the wealth tax isn't that bad. Because even Zuckerberg, who runs a multi-trillion dollar company, has this, look at this, looks like billionaires will stay and figure out a way to pay the tax if we pass Prop 40. Poor California kids can have healthcare. Gavin, can you and Sergey Brin stop with your fear mongering of a billion? He is not telling the entire story. Because this story has nothing to do with the fact that Zuck has agreed to pay the wealth tax. The board knew he was going to pay the wealth tax and found a creative way

• 1:06:28Patrick Bet-David?

  to making it attractive for him to stay without losing the control. So Tom, you see the story of what's happening here with Zuck going there and, and Facebook, you know, addressing it. This is after Facebook was charged with, uh, they have to pay 25 billion dollars of fine. By the way, their revenue has increased, but their EBITDA hasn't quarter to quarter. I think their revenue increased right there. They have to pay 25 billion dollars for deceiving users with, about the privacy on Facebook. So Tom, what are your thoughts on this story with Zuck?

• 1:06:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Go back to the tweet really quick. The second line of Ro Khanna's tweet, Gavin, I think Gavin Newsom, can you and Sergey stop with your fear mongering of a billionaire exodus? Gavin Newsom and Ro Khanna are banging heads on this one. The first thing I need to point out to people because Gavin Newsom is taking heat and he wants his next political step. Guess what? Ro Khanna has his next political step. He knows what his next five moves are, where he's going. Gavin Newsom wants to run for president and this thing is sticking to him like Velcro and Ro Khanna is going out at him, poking him in the chest. Can you and Sergey Brin start your fear mongering? Ro Khanna, Democrat, is directly blaming Gavin for some of the dust up, number one. Number two, hey, you know what?

• 1:07:40Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, they're trying to do what's best for Facebook. Don't let anybody tell you this is about California. Zuck is saying, I want to move and I'm going to do this. And yes, Sergey Brin did it and others did it and I'm going to do it. And what they're coming back is saying, what they're really saying is, we need you as CTO the same way that Larry Ellison was needed because Larry Ellison is really CTO of Oracle. He's fricking genius. He was really that guy, not just like, you know, Andy Grove was the CEO and the genius on chips. So what you have here, Pat, is they feel they need Zuck. And so Zuck is saying, I don't want to get slammed like this. And they're like, okay, well, the other problem is

• 1:08:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Zuck doesn't have the money in cash. Zuck has a massive ownership of Facebook. And when you take that percent and tell him that he has to do it, this is exactly what people said about startups that maybe gets a series C. Hey, we raised 100 million dollars. Now my startup's worth 4 billion dollars. And oops, I don't have all that. But today I have to go get a percent of that. Now I have to sell shares. So what they're doing is they're trying to set up a way for Zuck to get the money and for Zuck to say, here. And Ro Khanna is trying to make it seem like, oh, they found a way to make it work. See? We could tax them anyway. They will figure out a way to pay the taxes.

• 1:09:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Ro Khanna is wrong, but what's also very interesting is he and Gavin are going at it.

• 1:09:09Speaker 03

  And it's funny how I haven't even, when's the last time you guys, because remember for a good three, four months, it was just Gavin, Trump, Hitler, and then he just disappeared, Pat. When's the last time you guys, was Gavin in headlines?

• 1:09:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I didn't disappear. I'm over here.

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:25Tom Ellsworth?

  So an important point that Tom touched on, which just to clarify, because it's important people understand this, it's an unrealized tax on your, so you don't need to have the money in your bank account or to have made profit for the government to tax you on this new wealth tax, which is unbelievably dangerous. You start a business, you get to a billion dollars of value, you have 2 million cash in your bank account. The government will come and say, well, too bad, you owe us 50 million dollars. It's a way to destroy any chance of these, you know, businesses blowing up. Additionally, it historically does not result, these type of higher taxation policies and structures in higher net profit received for the government, more job creation or any positive outcome. So we do see an exodus in this case. You have a unique case where Zuckerberg is so relevant

• 1:10:10Tom Ellsworth?

  and so important on a physical level to be in a certain location that the company itself is compensating well beyond. That's an anomalous case. 99% of cases.

• 1:10:19Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, you know what, you know what Francis said yesterday? Which was brilliant? I asked her a question. I said, what is the difference between Elon Musk and Zuck? She said, the difference is Zuck has been this powerful since he was 19 years old, starting Facebook. He's been a billionaire since 19. Elon hasn't. Elon's had to earn it and Zuck's like a dictator because he's got so much power and control the company. Elon's never had this kind of control in his entire life. Not with Tesla. Now, he says, even with Tesla, he has to go negotiate. Even with every company has to go negotiate. So Zuck is structured in a different way of power than Elon has. It's a very interesting way that she broke it down

• 1:11:00Patrick Bet-David?

  of, uh, uh, the difference between these two. And she had some, by the way, once the interview comes out, you guys are going to love it. It's very interesting. But I'm going to tell you what the CEO of United Airlines came up and said. Out of all the people out there, all of a sudden, United Airlines CEO comes out and tells New York Times that wealth inequality has become a danger to our society and must be addressed. We should have a national wealth tax. We should have inheritance tax that get close to 100% at some level. I would pay them. Do you understand what he's saying? By the way, Mr. Scott Kirby, who if you go and ask the question of where? United Airlines ranks in losing luggage as well as customer service. Can you please pull that up?

• 1:11:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What does United Airlines rank in losing luggage and customer service? United has the shittiest.

• 1:11:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Every video.

• 1:11:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Customer service in the world, absolutely horrible. Look at that baggage. 10 out of 10.

• 1:11:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, man.

• 1:12:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You, instead of worried about wealth tax with your $32 million salary, and you've been there for almost seven years. It's not like you just got hired. You've been a CEO for six and a half years. Why don't you go find some of people's luggage?

• 1:12:10Tom Ellsworth?

  The worst than Spirit Airlines.

• 1:12:13Patrick Bet-David?

  10 out of 10 is where they're looking at customer satisfaction. 6 out of 8. You suck in customer service. No wonder people saw what you just said. And FYI, this is a thing that no one's thinking about. This wealth tax Elon, Tom, is not going to be a state by state issue. You're going to see the wealth tax in 2028 will be a national issue. You're going to see candidates running on wealth tax for everybody. You know why? This is what they're trying to do, Vinny. Here's how it works. So let's just say you're an AOC. Let's say you're Ro Khanna. Let's say you're a Pritzker. Take any of these candidates. And what are they noticing people are learning how to do? Hey, Rogan, you don't like California? I'm going to move to where?

• 1:12:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Austin, Texas. Elon goes to Austin. Hey, Ken Griffin, Chicago, we lost you. Going to where? Florida. You don't, don't you think these liberal, control, high taxpayers are sitting around saying, guess what, guys? Don't worry about it. They're not going to leave your state. We're going to pass a national wealth tax. And they'll first start off with billionaires. Then they're going to come down to people over $100 million in net worth. Then they're going to come down to people over $10 million in net worth. They always target the top, demonize them. So easy to say, hey, we collected four and a half trillion dollars of money, which we did nothing with because government doesn't know what to do with the money. All they're going to do with the four and a half trillion dollars they raised, you know what they're going to be doing? Give more entitlement programs.

• 1:13:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Of course.

• 1:13:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay? And so they're going to do more entitlement programs, which if they go that route, you know what will happen? Let me tell you what will happen. When I had the founder of CZ, CZ who ran, not Coinbase. What is the competitor to Coinbase, Tom? CZ was running Binance, 110 billion dollar guy. He comes and I said, so where do you live? He says, well, I wouldn't move back to US because the regulation is too crazy. I think he lives in Singapore. He lives a few different places. You know what he told me? You know how many employees CZ has with Binance? 5,000 employees. I said, you're 5,000 employees. Where's your headquarters? We don't have one. What do you mean you don't have one? Oh, we're in 100 plus countries. What? Yeah, we have 5,000 employees in 100 plus countries.

• 1:14:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And he lives in Singapore, I think. If they go this next phase, Vinny, if they do, if they go this next phase, you're going to see billionaires and hecta millionaires start looking at different pockets to go to that's outside of US. FYI, you know where Frances Haugen lives right now? The person that was a whistleblower who was a, you know, Norton, California, Silicon Valley, J6 is bad. You know where she lives today?

• 1:14:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Montana.

• 1:14:53Patrick Bet-David?

  She lives in Puerto Rico.

• 1:14:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, really?

• 1:14:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah. Why do so many people live in Puerto Rico? Because they got the 420 tax. You only pay 4%. No state, no federal, no income. You save all of it. It's all yours. So you think there's not going to be so? If I'm a different country right now, you know what I'm thinking about? I'm thinking about this could happen the next 20 years. And I'm already creating an opportunity to get those people to come to me. There's a guy out there who does very good content, Nomad Capitalist. And he would talk about what countries people are getting a lot of, what do you call it? Passports in. And he would talk about go get multiple passports in case something happens. So the point I'm making this story is the wealth tax is coming to you. And people like the CEO of United Airlines, can you pull up what his salary is?

• 1:15:37Patrick Bet-David?

  What does the United Airlines CEO make? What is his salary? United CEO salary. Look at this poor guy. This poor guy struggling financially. Made $32.3 million in salary last year with a $1.2 million base, 22 million in stock, 8 million in bonuses, 506,000 in other compensation, and he still can't find your luggage. Okay? United Airlines does the worst, 10 out of 10, the worst airline in losing luggage. Folks, don't travel with United if you're worried about losing your luggage and the worst customer service. They'll even laugh at you after like, what do you want me to do? We lost it. Go to a different airline. They don't give a shit. That's, and you can feel, culture comes from top to bottom.

• 1:16:22Patrick Bet-David?

  The best compliment I'll ever get when people come to the Vault Conference and they'll say, man, I cannot believe how good they treat us. The people here treat me so good. It's the biggest pride because no one's more important to us than our customers. United doesn't have that. And by the way, he doesn't look at you as that way as well as voters. Oh, we should go after the billionaires. We should do this generational inheritance tax at 100%. Who the hell are you? So let me get this straight. Families bust their asses and even the Bible tells us to leave money. Take care of your grandkids. Take care of your kids. Set them up in a better place. I worked my ass off to give that money to them. And you want to come and take 100% of it? Who the hell are you?

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• 1:18:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Who the hell are you? And by the way, for some that are watching this, they're going to come for your money as well. This isn't like they're just targeting billionaires. They're going to come for your money as well. It's very, very important right now. There's a story that came out, Vinny, I'm going to come to you with this one. The Data Republican. So this girl releases this story. Go ahead, give your thoughts.

• 1:19:20Tom Ellsworth?

  No, because you touched on a really, really important point, which is that they do it under the guise of fairness, which is exactly the slippery slope to.

• 1:19:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop losing people to socialism.

• 1:19:28Tom Ellsworth?

  Built on the platform of jealousy and envy. Uh huh. That you're entitled to other people's money because they're doing better than you. You don't. Jealousy, envy. I need to make it fair for you. I'm here for you. And so that's the entire game being played. And again, yeah, it's just a slippery slope to socialism. It's a playbook that dates back decades.

• 1:19:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So if you want to play this one, Vinny, so Data Republican, story comes out, showing what happened with USAID and what their plans are and the level of civil unrest that they're planning on doing if Republicans win the midterms. And if they win House and Senate, what they're, by the way, they're leaking this. I'll just let Vinny tell you what's going on here. Go for it, Vinny.

• 1:20:08Speaker 03

  Okay, so Data Republican, and I believe this is a female from what I heard that's on X. It was going crazy. This, besides Elon, not Elon, besides Ilhan Omar and everything, it boggles my mind, Pat, how this isn't the number one story of what's happening. So Data Republican, and by the way, released a bunch of all these audios and all these recordings showing former USID and State Department officials, Department of War officials, and the Broad Soros NGO like apparatus planning massive civil unrest aimed at the Trump administration if the Democrats win the midterms. Okay, they're planning, guys, riots, embedding themselves inside of the DSA, Pat, and the DSA will like shock the troops because that's how they do. They go in there and they make it 10 times worse. Riots are going to be severe.

• 1:20:53Speaker 03

  And they say that the president, Pat, this is the plan, will invoke the Insurrection Act, send troops into cities. They're going to, they're going to, you know, raise the stakes. All the pilots that we're talking about make the country burn. And then they're already working with governors in not only 10 swing states to like, they send them pamphlets, bro, to how to resist the federal government. And the overall goal is to delegitimize the federal government and elevate public support for resisting state governors. And they want to push this into the 2028 election. And I sent Connor a couple of these clips. One of these clips is, this is Danielle. Play the first one, guys.

• 1:21:38Speaker 03

  Just listen to this audio of what these people are planning to do. And then Connor, I'm going to have you jump forward to the next one. Go ahead, play this and listen to this, Pat.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  There's also the past, and John, I think we'll talk a little bit more about this, is that we end up in a very acute legitimacy crisis sometime in the next few months or the next few years where literally our federal government becomes illegitimate.

• 1:22:00Speaker 03

  Look at what they're talking about.

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  In that moment, I believe, and what we know from experiences around the world is that we can take that breakdown moment and leverage it for a big structural reform, you know, refounding moment.

• 1:22:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I wanted to just say that the United Democracy Alliance, which is a huge coalition of the blocking movement, the people that are doing all the lawsuits and the civil resistance and the non-cooperation, they are all organizing and converging under the banner of what's called the United Democracy Alliance. And they have developed a set of red lines.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  Red lines.

• 1:22:35Patrick Bet-David?

  That are now being refined in terms of indicators and metrics. And they're working on creating a situation room so that as we go into the midterm election, they're going to be able to provide real time updates, real time information to the movement and movement. So that we can respond, you know, to whatever might unfold.

• 1:22:59Speaker 03

  And now fast forward, so my, my guys, these are unelected, unelected people that don't have jobs anymore with USAID, Pat, and USAID goes to different countries and starts, you know, uprisings and they take over governments, color revolutions. This is what, guys, they're planning to do this here. And then, yeah, Connor, if you could go to that next part, Pat, when I talk about the governors and stuff, listen, listen to this, to this part.

• 1:23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  And others are connected for that work. So I think Brad is offering uniquely is this space around the constitutional legitimacy moment and like, what are the ways that we can respond? The memo that Danielle or I will put up in the chat is a memo of an options memo that we created for governors. Because if the federal governments deemed to be illegitimate by whatever crossing of whatever red lines, and everyone agrees to that, then the governors become the leading governing authority under the current republic framework of our constitution.

• 1:23:58Speaker 03

  Okay, so Paul, so Paul, listen to the plan that they're doing. They're saying midterms and all that stuff, Tom, if they want to delegitimize the federal government, and they're already working with governors, governors to help with this uprising. So they're basically, they're saying Trump invokes the insurrection act because they're, they're causing all this madness. Then they have all these governors that they've already sent the memos out to, Connor, can you please show the, the tweet from, it's like the memo already went out, the tweet from, from JB Pritzker. JB Pritzker, because mind you, Pat, the Washington Post, Tom, they ran a cover story revealing that the current, could you, yeah, so look at this. The Trump administration is on notice. Governors across this country, myself included,

• 1:24:39Speaker 03

  are watching closely. Any attempt to silence American voices will be met with fierce resistance from the states. We will defend our right to vote. What he's basically saying is, Elon, what, what Trump is saying, if you guys are gonna have illegals trying to vote, and I'm gonna send people to make sure that they're there, that's gonna be a problem for them, for them's sake. And then the Washington Post, if you go to the Washington Post story, they published a story revealing that current and former national security officials have quietly been advising officials in about 10 states, what the other people were revealing, on how to respond to possible federal interference in the midterm. Look at it. This is the cover story, Pat, that, that the Washington Post put out there. So I'm just telling people, this is called a color revolution. These are, by the way, these are the guys behind

• 1:25:21Speaker 03

  the No Kings protests. These are the people that are, the ones that put all the palli-

• 1:25:25Tom Ellsworth?

  BLM, everything, it's all organized. Even what you see going on globally right now, what you see in France, what you see in Italy, is all part of the same globalist ideology. The United States is the strongest stronghold against that ideology, which is why it is the most under attack. This is a decades old plan. You go back to Yuri Bezmenov, defected from Russia, talked about the ways you destroy society, and it's a decades long plan. The first one, demoralization, takes 15 to 20 years, change the perception of reality in the population. We have seen that happen with leftist ideals. They have become a worldwide structure of destroying basic, reality-based, common sense ideals. So a man can totally be a woman. We can kill as many babies as we want. Anyone who tells you anything, you

• 1:26:10Tom Ellsworth?

  know, that you disagree with, you should silence. Then you see destabilization, attacking key institutions like economy, foreign relations, and defense. We've seen that happen repeatedly now too. We've seen the political powers, when they get power, come and attack those institutions, try and break down anything that can fight against them. Then crisis, bring out about violent change of power, structure, and economy. This is the most important part. When we see BLM riots, when we see riots going on in France, when we see riots happening around the world, the immediate response from the average person is they want it to stop. That's the natural response to seeing violence and chaos in the streets. You don't actually care why it's happening as much. You want it to end, and you look for any power that can stop it. It's actually a key metric in mass psychosis, is that you

• 1:26:53Tom Ellsworth?

  create a situation of unrest, and then a power comes in and, and tells you, hey, we can get rid of this uncomfortable feeling you're having. We saw it during COVID too. And then the last one is because of the need to stop that kind of violence, that uncomfortable feeling that you're having in society. What they do is they can change all the structures of society, which is the new normal, which is the last step on Yuri Bezmenov's list of how you change society. And so, we're heading into that stage of civil unrest, where people are just so uncomfortable with what they're seeing, and they've been pushing this for a long time. And then the new step after that is everything you're talking about. We are gonna pack the courts. We are gonna change the constitution. We are gonna get, you know, more power so that we can keep you guys safe, and push you down that list so that they hold power forever, and that's the new normal. Tom?

• 1:27:37Tom Ellsworth?

  This is, you know, this is their playbook. And the playbook for patriots on the other side, you know, there is a, there is a quote that came out of Revolutionary Times. It was attributed to Ben Franklin, and it's incorrectly attributed. The, the quote really was spawned in 1813. And it was, "If we don't hang together, we will certainly, we will most assuredly hang separately." Apparently Ben Franklin never said that. Thomas Paine never said that. It's always been credited. But the point is correct. We must indeed all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately. The concept is there. And the people that, that I think they are waking up people that are true patriots. I think

• 1:28:21Tom Ellsworth?

  that's what's happening. They're waking them up. Because the one thing that you were always able, I mean, look at what happened in the Soviet Union. When they broke up the Soviet Union, guess what happened? All the governors became prime ministers. Where do you think all the stans came from? They were part of the Soviet Union, and they all got broken up. And so the governors became leaders. But guess what? When you try to, you look at the state of the populace, and what was the psychosis and mentality in the Soviet Union, it was not what you have in the United States. Let me tell you, the 77 million people that voted for Trump and had those red flags were not simply his disciples like Jesus

• 1:29:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Christ. They were freedom-loving patriots that saw a person that could enable what they wanted. And the left will have you believe that they were just a bunch of Trump disciples. No, they're not. They believe that if they stifle Trump, they push him back, they get something. No, they don't. What you are left with, you are left with the freedom-loving patriot that is looking for the next lead.

• 1:29:27Speaker 03

  Yep. And, and mind you, and great point, and these are the people, because for how many years, we've been sitting there going, who are these people that are, you know, the people, the puppeteers? And by the way, it's these unelected, and by the way, you know how pissed they are that, that Doge took out USAID? I know Kara Swisher was like, it's because they're investigating. No, you freaking libtard. It's because of this. These are the people that are in actual control, and you should hear how brash. I'm not gonna get into the other videos, Pat, but they sit there, they're saying, their goal is to delegitimize the federal government, okay? And then elevate public support for this, the state governors to come in. And I haven't, she said some of the names. The insurrectionist groups she named are, and guys, I want you guys to remember these names. These are these

• 1:30:08Speaker 03

  people on these Zooms that nobody ever hears of. It's the Renewed, To Thrive, United Democracy Alliance, National Security Leaders for America, and Horizons Project. These are those, these are the people, okay, that are gonna be, they're behind, you know, the 50501, divisible, No Kings protests. These are the people that are secretly angry, and they hate America, and they feel, Pat, it's liber, it's, it's to save democracy, but it's to overthrow the government. And they have governors set up everywhere, Pat, that are gonna resist whatever the president is gonna say, with especially sending troops to these places, because the civil unrest is gonna be magnified by their people, by their people. So I want people to always just remember I'm saying this, because that's their plan, and they got exposed by data republicans.

• 1:30:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Soros and all those guys.

• 1:30:53Speaker 03

  Soros is, Soros is the one. All these guys are behind it.

• 1:30:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Okay, let's get to the next story. It's pretty wild what's going on, but I want to get to the next story. Next story is an interesting story of Bukele. So four Salvadorians who are from El Salvador go to Haiti on a humanitarian trip to help out some Haiti family members that are there. Then, all of a sudden, they're held hostage, and Bukele is like, wait, what are you doing? Yeah, you're holding my people hostage? Yeah, you're not gonna be doing that. He sends his, can you go a little bit closer for me to read the story? So, "Our kidnapped men are not combatants. They are aviation technicians who are part of our mission in Haiti, within the framework of an international mission. Our mission consists only of pilots and technical personnel, whose primary job is

• 1:31:40Patrick Bet-David?

  to carry out medical evacuations and save lives, not wage war," Bukele wrote. "The four Salvadorians disappeared after gangs attacked their armored vehicle on Sunday in central area of Croix de Bouquet, Port Prince. They fled the vehicle. After it caught fire, Bukele said, that, that is why today we have launched a military operation to rescue them. We have a single objective, to bring back our four compatriots back home alive without any harm." And he gave warning to gangs. However, I want you, the gang leaders, to understand one thing very clearly. Today's attack is nothing compared to what is coming if you do not get all four hostages back alive, and do not take our word for empty

• 1:32:21Patrick Bet-David?

  threats. We have already finished with the gangs in El Salvador, and we can finish with you too. What an incredible position he takes. Your thoughts on what happened here?

• 1:32:32Tom Ellsworth?

  I absolutely love it.

• 1:32:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this, is that the clip, by the way, of what happened? Play this clip?

• 1:32:40Patrick Bet-David?

  What is this? Can I read the description before you play the clip? Go to the top so I can read what the description is. So, this is him giving a message. This is why today we have launch go a little bit lower. However, I want you to take, do not take my word for empty threats. We have already finished the gems. We still have time to avoid this. Return our four companions alive without any harm. And everything will go back to how it was before. The decision is in your hands.

• 1:33:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, 100%. A good leader stands by his people. And I think, you know, he's the type of guy who's setting a precedent that you can't mess around and not have consequences. This is just random, but one thing that bothered me was when Hamas kidnapped American citizens. Forget the Israeli aspect. When the American citizens were kidnapped by a terrorist organization, I didn't feel like we did enough to get back those Americans. We had Americans in the street tearing down the posters. That's always bothered me. That's an identity problem in the United States. We're seeing here the exact opposite response where he's willing to do whatever it takes to protect his citizens, to get them back. And he's making a statement to the world. You mess with our people, we're coming for you. That's an important statement, so.

• 1:33:41Speaker 03

  I love it. And by the way, just the reform of the prisons and what he made, what he did to the freaking country, bro. That is an actual leader that's respected on the global scale. But how good do you feel knowing? And by the way, I think Trump is one of those people as well. I understand that the Israeli thing was, that's a very.

• 1:33:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Forget the Israelis. I'm talking about Americans. I felt like we didn't take care of our own people.

• 1:34:02Speaker 03

  And that's why, in the general sense, I think when it comes to Americans, Trump does not play that game.

• 1:34:08Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 1:34:08Speaker 03

  In that one instance, I kind of feel I'm with you on that one. But when it comes to Americans, bro, like that's, I feel good knowing if, God forbid, something under that leadership. Could you imagine if you were overseas and something happened to you under Biden? You think that guy even knows where the hell he is?

• 1:34:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Unless you're like a, some kind of like diverse group that they could.

• 1:34:26Speaker 03

  Of course, a transgender or something overseas.

• 1:34:29Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, did you hear what Bukele said? Can you go on his Twitter account, the main one? Go back to it, just click on his name right there. No, just go on, yeah, here's what he said about France. I actually like what he's saying lately. I've heard it said that France is finished, that it's too late to save her. But France remains just as beautiful, inviolable even. Her greatness hasn't vanished. It only awaits rebirth. We overcame in one year, a problem 100 times more severe without having the resources at France's disposal. France could manage in a week.

• 1:34:58Tom Ellsworth?

  Optimism.

• 1:34:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But obviously, that's, this is the message you want.

• 1:35:01Tom Ellsworth?

  It's a powerful.

• 1:35:02Patrick Bet-David?

  But what I'm trying to say to you is, we need more of this message.

• 1:35:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 1:35:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Positive change can happen. It will happen. You don't need people not believing that it's not going to happen. Because that, half the battle with your opponent, what his job is, Vinny, your job of your opponent is to convince you, you can't beat him. So you don't fight him because he knows you can beat him. That's the job of the opponent. An opponent who's weak, he sits there and he says, man, I don't know. These guys really know they're stronger, they're better, their ideas are better. Or my people are even flipping on me and they're siding with him? I hope they understand that. And then they'll get in front and say, none of our people believe them. And all they're going to do is cheat. Whatever they're doing to you, they're going to, and then. And then you all of a sudden are like, you know what? I don't think anything's going to happen.

• 1:35:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, my God, we won. Without even going to war, they have given up. Or listen to their language. That guy's a big influencer. 700,000 people listen to what he's got to say. He quit. Good. And these eight people listen to what he has to say. They each have 80,000 followers. They also quit. Oh, my God. So now we have one and a half million people who quit on the idea that America's going to do anything and do the right thing. Awesome. Look at what she just said. She's now on our side. She just flipped 6.2 million people. Good. Look at, hey, go pay this guy some money. Good. We're going to flip America. And then comes a handful of group of people that say, no, it's not how this works. This doesn't work this way. And it's very hard to have that kind of a message. So good for Bukele for standing.

• 1:36:31Tom Ellsworth?

  I teach what you just said in combatives. Sorry to tell you, in fighting, in the psychology of fighting, demoralization and making someone believe that they no longer have the power actually greatly affects their performance. So it's very.

• 1:36:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Half the battle is that, right? Psychological warfare is what that is. Let me get to the next story. Next story I want to go to, weird story, folks. Have you ever been to New York? And maybe you went to Central Park? And you and your sweetheart, you're like, babe, let's go on the horse carriages and go through Central. It's a very unique experience that you go do, right? Very unique. I've got pictures with my wife. I'll try to find it and share it with you. Well, guess what? New York is officially announcing after what happened there. New York City is deciding to ban horse drawn carriages in 2028. Mamdani even commented on this. If you can find what Mamdani had to say after an event that took place. Let me read this for the audience. So, New York City horse drawn carriages will be riding into sunset

• 1:37:25Patrick Bet-David?

  less than two years after the city leaders voted Thursday to ban the practice following the death of an 18-year-old tourist who was killed during a ride in Central Park over the summer. The city council voted 40 to 7 over two abstentions on Roman's law, which would prohibit the issuance of new licenses used in the operations of horse drawn cabs and phase out the carriages June 1st, 2028. The horses would be prohibited from being sold to slaughterhouses under the bill. So there's multiple stories here. One of them is, how many of the horses have a, you know, very difficult, so how many of them die because the situation is there? But this is what Mamdani had to say. The horse carriage industry is coming to an end in New York City.

• 1:38:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Our administration will make sure workers and owners are protected and the horses are safe. So I'll open it up. Tom, your thoughts on this story? I don't want to spend 10 minutes on this. I want to go fairly brief on this. Your thoughts on this story? Is this a good move or a bad move?

• 1:38:23Tom Ellsworth?

  It's bad. It's overreacting the wrong way. Let's go back and look at that. Can we go back and look at that? I wanted to break that down. Our administration makes sure workers, people that work for horse drawn carriers and owners are protected. How? By putting them out of business? Ladies and gentlemen, this is how, this is how Mayor Z is, takes care of thee. And so I think, look, if there's a problem, you know what? Why are there bumpers on cars? Why are there traffic lights? Because people saw problems, they fix it. Fix what's wrong. If you think the horses are being abused, then put standards for them. You know, if there's a safety thing that led to the death of this 18-year-old, put something in place. That's not the nanny state, that's regulation. So I think if you're going to fix it, fix it.

• 1:39:07Tom Ellsworth?

  But putting it out of business and putting something like this that's been around for a long time? And by the way, if you have bad owners that are not taking care of their animals in situations like this, well, then shame on them and then regulate them. But don't put every owner and every worker out of business for the exception. Go take care of it. And the liberals are going to run and all the greens and all the people that want to release them are going to run these pictures like this of this poor injured animal here that could have been taken care of better. You know, and they use that to create all the drama. And the reason you use this as a reason to go nuts on the other side.

• 1:39:45Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, so if you look at this, you know when this thing got started in New York? 1858.

• 1:39:49Speaker 03

  Hold, I was going to say 1900.

• 1:39:51Patrick Bet-David?

  1858, 168-year-old industry that went through this. Annually, 42 million people visit New York City and Central Park. Central Park alone gets 42 million visitors. And when you go there, half the battle is to be, do you have the picture of us on the horse? I don't know if you have it or not, right there.

• 1:40:09Speaker 03

  Look at that.

• 1:40:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Every year we, when we go there, you know, we go to the Yankees. It's a great experience. There you go there and you enjoy yourself. But there's ways to prevent it from having to shut it down. Give me a flipping break. Create certain ways to protect the tourists and the horses. Maybe give a certain level of requirements and compliance to do. But to shut down this incredible experience, you know what it really does? It takes that one additional experience of going to New York on your honeymoon. It's like, oh, we can't do that? No, they just shut it down two years ago. What are you talking about? Yes, they did. 168-year-old experience they're shutting down. So anyways, that's that story with New York City. And we'll see what happened. People are fighting it. Even the union right now is fighting and saying, you can't shut it down. You can't shut it down. They got a couple of years before they shut this thing down.

• 1:40:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Next story I want to get to is the Yankees. Hal Steinbrenner, the owner of the Yankees. The managing director comes out and he's been asked, so what's going to be happening? And everybody wants to know, does Cashman have his job? Does Boone have his job? Who's the new person that's coming in? Are you changing the trainers? Because the number of injuries that New York has, Yankees, they have a lot of praise, they keep getting injured. And maybe we don't have the, what are we changing about what's going on? Fans and enemies of the Yankees are watching to see what they're going to be doing. And I have to tell you, a lot of enemies are happy what Hal just did. Lot of enemies are happy what Hal just did. And here's what he had to say in the press conference. Go for it. Has Aaron Boone received the contract extension?

• 1:41:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Talk to Aaron about a contract extension, no.

• 1:41:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you like to give him one?

• 1:41:43Tom Ellsworth?

  That's something I'd, it's something I would certainly consider. I would consider anything. We don't, we don't normally do extensions, as you well know. It's somewhat of a rarity for us. But all I can tell you right now, it's nothing, nothing has been discussed with him about that. We've had conversations about a number of different subjects, but that was not one of them. I don't think you can pin the season and the

• 1:42:04Patrick Bet-David?

  This is what people are upset about.

• 1:42:05Tom Ellsworth?

  unacceptable end to it on Aaron. I don't think you can pin it on him, based on the roster he put together. Again, the offense, not the pitching, but the offense had a big part of why we, in my opinion, why we didn't get, and I don't mind saying it, why we didn't get where we, you know, strive to get every year, and we're certainly striving to get this year. And that was during the whole, the whole year. You know, in the postseason, if you look at their performance against the two starting Boston pitchers, and their performance against probably all the Rays pitchers, it was, it was just, it was just not good. I mean, I don't know who else to put it. And if you don't score runs, you're not going to win. We all know that.

• 1:42:44Tom Ellsworth?

  So, again, but yes, every year, including this year, we had a week-long conversation about Aaron Boone.

• 1:42:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it.

• 1:42:52Tom Ellsworth?

  And was he part of the

• 1:42:54Patrick Bet-David?

  The last time the Yankees won, Tom, World Series, the all-time winningest organization in the history of baseball, Yankees. Twenty-seven World Series championships, but they haven't won one since 2009. Do you think this is the right move that Hal Steinbrenner's making?

• 1:43:09Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't think so. And I'm not going to sit here and be an armchair quarterback on what Hal Steinbrenner saw in that room or what he decided to do. I'm going to talk about leadership in baseball and how those answers were not like strong leadership answers. Look at the way he says, get us where we want to go, get us where we want to be, where we think we should be. Hal, just say it. Our objective is with this organization and with this budget to win the World Series. We did not do that. And you have to hold somebody accountable and not just live on, I believe, affinity and relationships. Consider this. Who was the number one manager by plus minus this year? It was Terry Francona.

• 1:43:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Plus 10 in Cincinnati, 10 more victories over what he thought he would get. You know what Aaron Boone ranked? Number 21. And if you take the GM ranked, now we're talking about Brian Cashman, among his peers and ranks and surveys. 2024, he was 18. 2025, he's 22. 2026, he's 27. He's averaging a rank of 24. Player development, Major League Baseball, what organization from the last three years, 2024, 2026, has the worst record, the highest injury rate of pitchers under 26? In other words, the guys you're bringing up, the flamethrowers that you're trying to teach them the slider, you're trying to move more breaking pitches. The Yankees had more injury days of anybody than them under 26.

• 1:44:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Then, let's talk about this year, fielding. Yankees, 96 errors, 27 out of 30 teams in the majors, errors. And defensives, defensives runs against, middle of the pack. You've got the money to do this, and then you take a guy like David Wells. Here's the perfect example, I think, of the Yankees. David Wells is known as a stellar human being and a positive guy in the locker room, and a strong influence on other team members. But he doesn't have the arm that the Yankees can afford. They should have some other arm there. He's, Pat, you could steal second on David Wells with one ACL torn, you know?

• 1:45:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Impressive.

• 1:45:22Tom Ellsworth?

  It is impressive. And by the way, he hit 186 this year. So it's like, and by the way, he's a good framer, you know, a framing catcher? He's also a good blocker. That's good. Bet David Wells, a great guy, a guy in the locker room, everything there? Why are you keeping them? You've got the budget to do something else. All of this rests on Cashman. This is the general manager needs to put the team together, and then the manager needs to help the team prepare mentally to do their job. I went and looked around. You know who the, the best general manager of the last five years is said to be? A guy named Matt Arnold, who's doing with a bottom third payroll in Milwaukee and driving it.

• 1:46:06Tom Ellsworth?

  And the guy you really want, the guy you absolutely wish you could have, is a guy, you know who the best manager doing the most with the least over the last five years is? Not Dave Roberts, it's not Aaron Boone. It's some guy named Cash who's in Tampa, who was the catcher that couldn't hit and turned himself into a player, coach, and a developer. And he is now absolutely heads and tails. Everybody said he's the best guy, but he's from Tampa. You're probably not going to get him out of Tampa. Really? So there's guys out there that the Yankees could go after. They could go after Matt Arnold, go after Chris Antonetti in Cleveland, go after Eric Neander. Eric Neander is not tied to Tampa the way Cash is tied.

• 1:46:49Tom Ellsworth?

  So it's like, Hal, here you've got this going on, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. You simply haven't got the result. Terry Francona, in his rookie year, what did he do in Boston? Terry Francona goes to Cincinnati, what does he do in Cincinnati? There are managers that bring teams together that motivate players and drive them forward. These players are not, this defense, and this what it is, that part is on Aaron Boone. The team he had to work with is also on Cashman. And then the state of the minor league system is on Cashman. So I look at it, and I'm like, a leader has to make a decision here, and I'm being quantitative.

• 1:47:34Tom Ellsworth?

  And I'm going to say this, and my Dodger fan friends are going to jump on me. A strong Yankees is important to baseball. Because it's just like a strong Cowboy, a strong Green Bay. There are teams that are important because they're pillars of a league, and when they succeed, you may not like it, but it's good for the sport.

• 1:47:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, Tom, as a, as a huge Yankees fan, I came, my father, when he'd drive a bus in Yonkers, would sneak me to the game. Sometimes it'd be raining, and we would watch the freaking Yankees, okay? I'm not one of the guys that just wears the hat and goes, no, no. It's been 17 years. Do you guys understand that? Imagine having a kid, and now the kid's 17. Haven't, zero. Okay, this comes from 27 championships, that this is the New York freaking Yankees, the most recognized hat, the pinstripe, the uniform, all that stuff. And you know what the standard never was, Pat? Well, at least we made the playoffs. Are you, what? If, if, that's the attitude? And now Hal Steinbrenner's saying the majority of the blame isn't on Aaron Boone? I'm sorry, you're the manager.

• 1:48:36Speaker 03

  You're the skipper, okay? And yes, you have to perform in the playoffs. Injuries killed us, Tom. I love that you said that. I think, no, just the New York teams in general, from the Giants to the Yankees being the worst, bro, every day somebody's hurt. Judge basically missed the entire season. Stan has been hurt more than anybody, and we're just blowing all those millions. I know we're stuck to his contract, but the manager still has to be the guy. Like, you make the decisions, okay? And the season against Tampa, he makes a decision to put all lefties against the righties, which I under, like, you gotta switch it up. It's not working.

• 1:49:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Who do you put it on? You put it on Hal, Boone, or Cashman? Rank it.

• 1:49:11Speaker 03

  Cashman's on the top, Pat.

• 1:49:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Seventy thirty Cashman.

• 1:49:14Speaker 03

  Seventy thirty Cashman, and then, and then, ready for this, though?

• 1:49:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Cashman has been there since 98. He won four World Series championships for them, hasn't won one since '09.

• 1:49:22Speaker 03

  Since '09, but are you ready for this, though? And then, and then, as this, as the skipper, as the manager, as a freaking general on the field, you let people like Jazz Chisholm having a freaking lollipop in his mouth during a couple of games? And Boone said something about it? If Hal, if, if Steinbrenner, the father, was alive, do you think he would let that happen?

• 1:49:41Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:49:42Speaker 03

  I, Pat, where's the, where's the pride? Where, where's the fear of losing your freaking job? Baggy ass pants and just not, nonchalant, not giving a crap, Pat? That, that drives me insane. The father, if your mustache was even further than this, brother, he'd be like, no, you're, go, go shave it off. Like, it was very clean cut. This is the Yankees. And C.C. Sebastian basically said the same thing. You don't, you don't know the old Yankee standard because the people that are around.

• 1:50:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, C.C. put it on A-Rod Jeter because they're never at the stadium.

• 1:50:09Speaker 03

  They're never at the stadium.

• 1:50:10Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, back when we played Jackson, all the old timers were there, and we were expected to win.

• 1:50:14Speaker 03

  Absolutely.

• 1:50:15Patrick Bet-David?

  That expectation is not there. So C.C. put it on the player.

• 1:50:17Speaker 03

  On the player, exactly. Show up.

• 1:50:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Fans are not happy with Boone. The technical baseball fans are not happy with Cashman.

• 1:50:24Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:50:24Patrick Bet-David?

  The business owner type of mentality, people are not happy with Hal, because they're like, hey, drive the hell out of this. You haven't won since '09. And, and you just had a clip. Is this, which clip did you have? You had the George Steinbrenner clip and this one. Is this him? Okay, play this one real quick. This is a, what does he say here?

• 1:50:41Tom Ellsworth?

  No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. I'm like a Yankee fan. My foot has gone through a number of television sets in my time. I bleed like those guys out there do, the fans. I mean, they hate to see you lose, and, and I hate to lose.

• 1:50:55Patrick Bet-David?

  You take it personally?

• 1:50:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes. Yes, I do.

• 1:50:59Patrick Bet-David?

  What does it say about George Steinbrenner when the Yankees lose?

• 1:51:02Tom Ellsworth?

  It says he's one of the worst losers in the world. You show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser.

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• 1:52:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Honey, that flu keeping you up?

• 1:52:39Speaker 03

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• 1:52:54Tom Ellsworth?

  That's a killer line.

• 1:52:55Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, so you have to know, when you hear that, that's what they miss.

• 1:52:59Tom Ellsworth?

  That's what we want.

• 1:53:00Patrick Bet-David?

  To me, do you know, do you know what comparison I will make? And it's an unfair one, but I'm gonna do it anyways. So we get enamored with owners and personalities, and we hope the kids have the same fire. You know what car just traded last week? I don't know if I can announce it or not. Well, I can say it, but I can't tell you who bought it. So the Mickey Mantle PSA 10 car, there's three of them. One of them, the, the father passed away and the kids were not fans of baseball cars like the father was. Do you know one of the three PSA 10 Mickey Mantle cards traded last week? You know for how much? For $50 million.

• 1:53:34Speaker 03

  Five zero?

• 1:53:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, trust me, because I was involved. Anyways, for $50 million, and I was one of the five buyers that was looking at this card. Sold for $50 million. Do you know why that car was sold? Because the grandkids are not fans. Do you know when Mohamed Reza Palabi is sitting here and we're all enamored by his son? Not Mohamed Reza, Reza Palabi. And I asked him a question. Do you feel like you get too much pressure? Like people expect you to be your father? He's like, yes. Said, do you even wanna go? You want, no. And then he changed. And how? Maybe just, you know, it's like, it's too much unnecessary pressure for Hal. And you know, the organization just raised $2.6 billion with Apollo, got a $16.25 billion valuation.

• 1:54:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Great.

• 1:54:17Patrick Bet-David?

  And it's not like Hal doesn't sit there approving the, they have the third highest budget, right? Number one is the Dodgers, two is Mets, three is them. So it's not like he doesn't wanna spend the money to go get the players.

• 1:54:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Of course, he's not being cheap.

• 1:54:28Patrick Bet-David?

  And sometimes the problem becomes the following, Vinny. Sometimes if the team, and I don't know this, sometimes the team, the people you have in your management team, they're your friends. And they become family. And eventually you're afraid to fire them. Because you have become friends with them for such a long time. And Hal, in 1998, I don't know how old Hal is right now, but how old was Hal in 98? Can you type in Hal Steinbrenner's age?

• 1:54:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Hal has gotta be in the mid to late 50s. And he looks great, but I don't know how old he is. Can you go a little bit lower? Okay, he's 56 years old. Yeah. So how old was Hal in 1998? That's what, 28 years ago? He was 28 years old. So 28 years ago, when he was 28 years old, Cashman was the guy running it. So you almost look up to a guy like Cashman. So it is a tough thing to be able to do, but when you lose for that long, the right thing to do is to move on. In my opinion, and I'd like to be able to say more, but you know, one day, you know, God willing, yes, to a point that we have. But anyways, this is, this is extremely frustrating as a Yankees fan to see that happening. And Tom, I know you wanna say one final thing before we wrap up and move on to the next story. Go for it.

• 1:55:33Tom Ellsworth?

  And this isn't just about the Yankees, this is about leadership. And about leadership in sport. And once upon a time, there's a man named Chuck Knoll, who is the

• 1:55:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:55:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

• 1:55:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:55:43Tom Ellsworth?

  And he won Super Bowl nine.

• 1:55:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Old school.

• 1:55:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Super Bowl nine, Super Bowl 10, Super Bowl 13, Super Bowl 14. He missed 11 and 12. He won four Super Bowls in six years. And then, add this up, 7 and 9, 6 and 10, 7 and 9, 5 11. That was four of his last six years. They hung on to him too long because they believed what he did all those years ago. And you can't do it in sport.

• 1:56:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, look at what the Steelers just did. Who did the Steelers just move on from?

• 1:56:12Tom Ellsworth?

  They then hired, by the way

• 1:56:14Speaker 03

  The, the coach.

• 1:56:15Patrick Bet-David?

  The main coach.

• 1:56:16Speaker 03

  The main guy.

• 1:56:16Tom Ellsworth?

  What did they do? They hired Tomlin. And they restructured what they were doing because they stopped just believing in the past. And that's what the Yankees are doing with Cashman. The same thing that Steelers did with Chuck Knoll. Hal, you're not alone. You know, I'm a Dodger fan, but I stood in Randy Levine's office because this man brought us to a wonderful thing. Had a great conversation about the glory of baseball, the importance of the Yankees. You need to make the hard decisions as a leader.

• 1:56:45Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let's go to the next story. Next one I wanted to get to is three different men. All of them having different sets of issues. Okay, you ready for this one? This is gonna be a very, very weird set of stories that we're going through. But I'm gonna read the first. So we got a California man, a Virginia man, and a Florida man. Okay, let's start off with the California man. So a California man goes out there, claimed ICE snatched his wife. Police now says he killed her. So this guy blamed ICE for snatching his wife. After investigation, the guy killed his own wife. Well, Vinny, tell us about the story of what this guy did. I think his name is Gurinder Gill, 28 years old, was arrested October 14.

• 1:57:25Patrick Bet-David?

  After investigations determined that human remains found in neighboring Eldorado County belonged to Jasmine Gill, 30. The Sacramento County Sheriff's Office announced Jasmine Gill was last seen at the couple's Sacramento home September 30. And her cousin reported her missing on October 4. During the initial inquiry, Gurinder allegedly told investigators that immigration and customs enforcement agents had taken his wife into custody while she was taking the mail. Sacramento detectives subsequently contacted ICE, said there's no enforcement had taken at the residence. Investigators then noticed several inconsistencies in his statements and learned the couple was in the middle of a divorce and child custody dispute. Jasmine Gill was registered nurse and a mother to an eight-month-old son.

• 1:58:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Her family described her in a GoFundMe campaign as daughter, sister, nurse, and mother who deserved so much more relatives. She said, had been seeking a divorce to secure a safe, fresh start for herself and her baby. Vinny?

• 1:58:19Speaker 03

  Horrible, horrible tragic story, but you know what? It's, some of the people in the media and online were like, ICE and ICE and ICE. And then they, they turned it to ICE. And this is what happens when they make, when the left makes ICE so demonized. They compare him to the Gestapo, they portray them, there's some evil kidnapping organization off the streets. And I keep hearing all these freaking podcasts of all these leftists saying, oh my God, they're, it's the Gestapo families from Cuomo. To all these guys acting as if they weren't doing their job. They had a mandate? When Trump said, we're gonna get rid of the freaking illegals, we're gonna get rid of them? And then when they started getting rid of them, it pissed me off because they backed down? Because two of these people were killed, God rest their soul, for trying to drive over one of them?

• 1:59:02Speaker 03

  And then the other nurse, who was beating the shit out of a car and then getting, holding a gun on his hip, gets shot, okay? This guy gets accused of murdering his wife? And then they blame ICE. By the way, thank God they did their due diligence, because Elon, it could have easily been like, yeah, you know what? Let's find out and, and look the other way, okay? And this is how toxic this rhetoric has become. And while people on the left, they push this narrative, I haven't, I haven't seen evidence that they were, you know, finding or looking for. But it just, it drives me insane that this is the scapegoat, that you're having murderers. Think about that mentality, that a murderer who killed his wife, that has a freaking eight-month-old? The first thing that comes to his head is, you know what? They're gonna believe me if I say it was ICE? And look how long it took them to actually say, you know what? Let's find out what the hell's going on.

• 1:59:47Speaker 03

  Oh, they were in, what if they didn't find out that they were in a fight? That they were having marital problems? He would have gotten away with it because it would have been, oh, it was an ICE situation. I think it's ridiculous, Pat, and it drives me nuts that they, that ICE is looked at this horribly, where you could blame them for murder and people believe it.

• 2:00:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I go to the next story? Cause maybe your nerves may change on the next one. So this next one

• 2:00:06Speaker 03

  Unbelievable.

• 2:00:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Some, some, I mean, listen, alleged, I don't want people to get upset. Some people call this next one a hero. I'm not saying he is, but he could be a villain or a hero, but some people are saying this guy's a hero. Virginia man accused of duct taping wife on the chair so he could watch football. Okay?

• 2:00:21Speaker 03

  What game?

• 2:00:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, that's, that's pretty, that's pretty intense. Can you imagine like what game it is? So this man, so you have to go a little bit deeper and say, why would somebody do such a thing? So police arrested Richmond, Virginia man after his wife reported him for binding her to a chair and putting her in the basement so he could watch football without interruption. To all the people that called this man a hero, shame on you. To all the men who called this man a hero, shame on you. Okay? Then, police were called to the home of Terry Ward, 64, on Sunday, October 11. And arrested the man charging with abduction and misdemeanor assault and battery against a family or household member for forcibly restraining his wife by duct taping her to a chair in a couple's home. When I arrived on scene, the wife said, stated that her husband had tied her to a chair with tape in the basement.

• 2:01:06Patrick Bet-David?

  A police report reads, according to WTVR TV, Terry stated that he had, he did indeed tie her to his wife to a chair. So he wasn't denying it.

• 2:01:15Speaker 03

  He's not denying it.

• 2:01:16Patrick Bet-David?

  And placed her down in the basement. Officers also noted that the woman said she was trapped in the chair for nearly an hour and had bruises and contusions.

• 2:01:25Speaker 03

  Contusions?

• 2:01:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Contusions on her arms from being restrained. Ward told officers that he restrained his wife in the basement so he could watch the game.

• 2:01:33Speaker 03

  Okay, I'm not, I'm not, wait, hold on. Cause I'm, I'm laughing because look at his photo. He looks like a little, little mischievous guy. By the way, it's obviously not cool. We're not condoning it.

• 2:01:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Obviously, it's not cool.

• 2:01:45Speaker 03

  It's not cool, it's not, but could you imagine the like, like something has to snap where you're like, listen.

• 2:01:50Tom Ellsworth?

  40 years of an

• 2:01:52Speaker 03

  We're like, you, you and your stupid giants. And he's like, I'm telling you, one day, I'm gonna have you. But I'm, Tom, I'm just curious if

• 2:01:59Tom Ellsworth?

  One more word, Gladys.

• 2:02:01Speaker 03

  To the moon. If he's like, like, I'm just curious, like, was he, and his mentality, till halftime? Like if the cop, when the cop showed up, was like, listen, just give me to the two-minute warning.

• 2:02:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, please, I need to make it through the game.

• 2:02:14Speaker 03

  It'd be funny if the cops like, what the hell? And you hear her screaming and they're all like, okay, okay.

• 2:02:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Wait, wait, have you ever seen the YouTube video where the guy, the, the house is on fire and the husband and the wife are outside? And she's like, oh my God, my mother's downstairs. And the guy's like, yeah, she's downstairs. She's like, you have to go rescue them. And he's standing behind her, he's like, and the fireman's like, what?

• 2:02:34Tom Ellsworth?

  She's like, he's like, yeah, yeah, go rescue. And she's like, yeah, oh my God, please. He's like, no. And then the cops go in and they go to rescue her and she's like, on the floor as there's a fire on. She's like, you're really coming in here like that? You're really gonna rescue me with? And then the house is burning down, they're like, we couldn't save her, I'm sorry. And you think

• 2:02:49Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a sketch.

• 2:02:51Tom Ellsworth?

  It's a sketch on YouTube, it's hilarious.

• 2:02:53Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you, what do you think about this? I mean, Tom?

• 2:02:55Speaker 03

  Tom, you're married. See, I'm not married.

• 2:02:57Patrick Bet-David?

  First of all, like important detail, how long have they been married to each other?

• 2:03:01Speaker 03

  Didn't they say a long, did they say a long time?

• 2:03:02Tom Ellsworth?

  It's gotta be a very long time.

• 2:03:03Speaker 03

  Oh, Pat, look at his face. Look at that guy's face.

• 2:03:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I actually want to know how long have they been married to each other? Uh, um, Tom, your thoughts on the story?

• 2:03:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, this is a little personal for me. Um, it happened at my house.

• 2:03:17Speaker 03

  What happened, Tom?

• 2:03:17Tom Ellsworth?

  My wife duct taped me to a chair. I was watching the Raiders. I was just freaking out and she was worried I was gonna hurt myself.

• 2:03:23Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 2:03:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Because, you know, as a Raider fan all these years, that's where I ended up. So I got duct taped to a chair.

• 2:03:28Speaker 03

  That's so funny.

• 2:03:28Tom Ellsworth?

  Later I realized she was really doing it to help. Um, no, I, I think this is.

• 2:03:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom's jokes, folks. Go vote, go vote for him.

• 2:03:36Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, it's a dad joke. It's a dad joke. Great. I loved it. But it's a, but, and by the way, Raider fans will understand. I'll, this year, we're losing games by three points and we're coming up, baby. We're coming back. So I think what, what's here, this is a tale of two cities. One is, we kind of laugh at the lunacy of, um, a relationship. And thank God, nobody was like injured. Now, she was bruised, obviously he was grabbing her, he was holding her down. Okay, on one hand, we see the lunacy of that. On the other hand, we see, unfortunately, all these people are nodding because they're like, man, I wish I could do that. You know, I wish I could just, I like, why can't I just handcuff my, my husband to the refrigerator? And then I go sit, you know, in the other room in peace, you know?

• 2:04:20Tom Ellsworth?

  It, it's kind of a lunacy about, you know, what you would want to do.

• 2:04:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what you're saying, Tom. What, what is the, so what do you think about this? Do you think?

• 2:04:29Tom Ellsworth?

  I told you what I think. I think it's a tale of two cities of America.

• 2:04:32Patrick Bet-David?

  But what do you, what do you think about the husband duct taping the wife? You think like?

• 2:04:35Tom Ellsworth?

  You can't do that, but it's, but it's, but it's, you can't do.

• 2:04:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Not a hero.

• 2:04:40Tom Ellsworth?

  It, no, he's not a hero.

• 2:04:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You kept saying he's not a hero, Tom.

• 2:04:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom, but Tom, before we started, kept bragging about what a hero he was.

• 2:04:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Making it clear to the audience.

• 2:04:48Tom Ellsworth?

  He is not a hero, but if he runs for office, he's got my vote.

• 2:04:51Speaker 03

  Well, here's, I have two questions, two questions. A, does she stay with him? Number one.

• 2:04:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you reported it, Tom?

• 2:04:58Speaker 03

  And now, number two, if every time he opens up tape, does she go, huh?

• 2:05:02Tom Ellsworth?

  She's traumatized now.

• 2:05:03Speaker 03

  All he has to do is go.

• 2:05:04Tom Ellsworth?

  He figured it out.

• 2:05:05Speaker 03

  Honey.

• 2:05:05Tom Ellsworth?

  Woman. Just to duct tape her.

• 2:05:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what I want to see? I want to see the cops' faces when they come in and they're explaining and the wife is saying, yeah, he really duct taped me just so he could watch football. I want, is this them? Is this really them?

• 2:05:18Tom Ellsworth?

  They look like a great couple.

• 2:05:19Patrick Bet-David?

  No, this is not them.

• 2:05:20Speaker 03

  Is that them? Connor?

• 2:05:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this a joke? Or is this, is this them?

• 2:05:24Speaker 03

  Oh my God, it's her?

• 2:05:26Tom Ellsworth?

  That's them younger. That is.

• 2:05:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, they've been together for a minute. This guy was, when he was, he got a brown, Bronze Star. Let the guy watch football.

• 2:05:33Speaker 03

  Dude, I can't believe her.

• 2:05:34Tom Ellsworth?

  He's a hero, guys. I'm back on the hero. Bronze Star, he's a hero. Bronze Star veteran hero.

• 2:05:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Guy can watch a little bit of football. He was a captain. Look at the captain rank right there.

• 2:05:44Speaker 03

  Imagine how annoyed she is. He fought in Desert Storm and cannot listen to her voice. He's probably has tinnitus.

• 2:05:51Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let me get to the next.

• 2:05:51Tom Ellsworth?

  And he's married to her? That's a Purple Heart right there.

• 2:05:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but let me get to, that, that was not nice, Tom. But let me get to the next one. Let me get to the next one. The next one's a little bit crazy, guy. Crazy, and, and when, the more you read it, you're like, there's no way this is true.

• 2:06:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh my God.

• 2:06:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Florida officer found a dead man, impersonated him for years, and renovated his home. Police say, and by the way, this is a cop. This is a cop we're talking about.

• 2:06:15Speaker 03

  That's a problem.

• 2:06:15Patrick Bet-David?

  And so he pays the credit card bills. He acts like the guy is still alive.

• 2:06:21Speaker 03

  His credit score is good.

• 2:06:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Dennis West is his name, was found, no relation to Delonte West, was found in his Florida home during a welfare check in July 22. Weeks later, one of his officers, who discovered his body, took possession of the property, unlawfully spent years renovating and impersonating him. According to investigators and police documents, Brian Louis Segrows, 35 years old, an officer with a Lauderdale Police Department, was arrested Tuesday on felony charges of official miscount, criminal use of a deceased person identification, criminal use of personal identification information, offense against the computer use and unlawfully use of a two-way communication device. Sue Gross presented himself to the medical examiner officer, West's friend. Though there is no indication that Sue Gross knew West, he also told the office that West had no living family, which was untrue.

• 2:07:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Authorities said from August 2022 through February of 20, that's almost two, three years. He cleaned and repaired the property and paid taxes and utilities and West, and he claimed that he spent at least $214,000 of his own money, a project manager contracted to replace the doors and windows. In 2024, told police he had no idea West was dead and recalled Sue Gross telling him West was unavailable.

• 2:07:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom. By the way, hang on, back up, back up, back up. Here, one more, that paragraph. In sworn statements in court, Segrows maintained, "I took possession of the property and acted because it was hazardous and I wanted to prevent criminal activity and people from squatting." So he became a squatter. Not really. He invested a quarter million dollars into, who gets to keep the upgrade? This is great. First of all. I need a squatter like that in my house. He's gonna come in and. First of all, think about this. This is what goes through the cop's mind. This poor guy's gone. Apparently he's got no family. You know, this place ain't so bad. And he just kind of moves in and does it.

• 2:08:07Tom Ellsworth?

  First of all, somewhere, someplace, there's got to be a, an heir or a nephew or a grandchild, somebody out there that could have taken possession of this. And this is also.

• 2:08:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Thirty years old, doesn't have a grandchild. So he's a younger guy.

• 2:08:19Tom Ellsworth?

  But here's what I feel bad about on this, is that, you know, somebody died alone and there wasn't even friends checking on him. Mm-hmm. That is tragic. And that, I look at that and I'm like, wow, isn't that sad? It took years because there wasn't one friend, one clerk at a Starbucks who used to see you every day. And what this talks about underlying, I'm gonna go a different route here, about the loss of community in America, where we used to have people that cared about you. When I said I was gonna run away and I'm walking down the street with like two books in my hand, um, and it was in St. Louis, Missouri, and our neighbor goes the other way and he rolls down the window of his car, says, Tommy, where are you going? Cause I'm walking out of the neighborhood where the big street was, you know?

• 2:09:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:09:00Tom Ellsworth?

  And I said, I'm running away. And he said, stop right there, get home and do your mom, and I'm calling her right now. Turn around and walk. Turn around and walk. He didn't get out of his car, but you know what? I listened to him. You wanna know why? Cause he had moral authority. He was a neighbor. He was my friend's father and I turned around and walked back. What, that microcosm I take here, not one friend, not one family, nobody there, and a cop can basically move into the house after the dead guy's taken care of by the medical examiner and nobody knows? That's the tragedy, that there's no community left in America in so many ways.

• 2:09:36Speaker 03

  Um, you know what pisses me off the most about this story?

• 2:09:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Beyond the historical angle here.

• 2:09:40Speaker 03

  Like, like when I say live, like it drives me crazy. The guy dies, you do all this stuff, you're paying the taxes, you're freaking, you know, his credit score probably went up. You paint the house baby blue, like what type of psychotic, responsible psycho, what the, how ugly of a color are you gonna paint the, well, you had an opportunity here to go for it and you picked that color? Unbelievable. I think it's disgusting.

• 2:10:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I think Tom actually touched on something I didn't even think about, which is tragic and it is happening in America. There is a a breakdown of community and people are alone more and more and more. It's leading to higher rates of depression. I spend time in Portugal every year and I find like there, just the short amount of time I spend there, people are involved in my life. Like there, you walk outside and people talk to each other. So that's something that would be nice to bring back. I do find this story, uh, this is gonna sound crazy. Anywhere else in the country, I would have said this is completely insane. Florida doesn't even make my top 10 list of this week for what's going on.

• 2:10:36Speaker 03

  But where's his neighbor? Elon, where's his neighbor?

• 2:10:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Like a crocodile that ate somebody that got pregnant.

• 2:10:40Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a cop guy.

• 2:10:41Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying. He's long for.

• 2:10:42Tom Ellsworth?

  Florida cop. We're moving. We're moving beyond Florida man to Florida cop.

• 2:10:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Didn't think like you're, what, like what are you doing? There is a timeline on that. You're not gonna be able to do that for 20, 30 years.

• 2:10:52Speaker 03

  But Pat, three years is a, God, after year one, you know, he's like, oh, I'm, I'm Gucci.

• 2:10:57Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm golden. No one's coming for me.

• 2:10:59Speaker 03

  Not one neighbor was like, hey, where's, where's, what's his name? Like, who are you? And he's like, no, I'm a cousin.

• 2:11:05Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm a cop.

• 2:11:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Not one, like, hey, can we borrow some sugar? Can we do something like that, that? And that just goes to show you about the level of people, like, cause I think he got, cause the, the body was gone and they.

• 2:11:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, they found the body. They, so there's a whole thing in my head that I'm trying to figure out. They find the body, he's obviously, the body is taken away.

• 2:11:22Speaker 03

  He has a cardiac something. He's gone, he just grabs mail and stuff.

• 2:11:24Tom Ellsworth?

  He was like, oh, this is a nice house. By the way, go, go take a look at what he was doing. The police were called to what's called a welfare check. They, he was called to a welfare check. Who called for the welfare check? That's interesting. Aunt Louise from Iowa City, Iowa or something? No, well, it could, it, a lot of these, like, so there's like food plant services that come by and every week deliver food to people.

• 2:11:45Patrick Bet-David?

  If you've got any, okay, so here's a question for you. Maybe this is a weird question to ask. How long can you go missing and not talking to the top 10 people on your friend and family list until people say what happened to you? Honestly, like I want you to think your life? How many days can you go and not, like, me?

• 2:12:05Speaker 03

  Me and you.

• 2:12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  You? Think about how long?

• 2:12:08Tom Ellsworth?

  I can guarantee you, in the, in the two hours I've been here, my phone's off, people have. Been checking on me. Where are you at? What are you doing?

• 2:12:14Speaker 03

  Oh, Pat, wait, hold on.

• 2:12:15Patrick Bet-David?

  But how long?

• 2:12:16Speaker 03

  I got an assessment. You?

• 2:12:17Patrick Bet-David?

  If I don't hear from you for how many days?

• 2:12:19Speaker 03

  What do you mean days, Pat? It's hours.

• 2:12:21Tom Ellsworth?

  How many days? You're sending me text question marks after five minutes. Literally hours. I'm not even joking.

• 2:12:26Speaker 03

  In this, in this room, it's hours. You're minutes. You're thirty minutes.

• 2:12:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Guy for three years lives in the place. Was this guy like part of the Delta Force? Was he CIA? Was he a low key Mossad agent that no one's checking on him? Like, who was he for three years for your own family, cousins, brothers, sisters, girlfriend, exes, enemies, built like no one?

• 2:12:47Tom Ellsworth?

  The maximum. Even you have a home, you're working, there has to be some kind of engagement. Forty-eight hours over a weekend. Like, if you said, hey, I'm gonna go L.A. see my mom, and forty-eight hours over a weekend, and I notice, hey, you know what? It's Sunday. I didn't even get one tweet from Vinnie. I know he's in L.A. with his mom. Why didn't I get one tweet from him for Monday podcast? So that would be the maximum.

• 2:13:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:13:09Tom Ellsworth?

  But there are people who just have no one in their life. That's lonely. It doesn't make sense.

• 2:13:14Speaker 03

  My mom after six hours would be like.

• 2:13:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Then let's do this. Let's do this. Let's go to the last story and we'll wrap up. LeBron James.

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  Oh, God.

• 2:13:20Patrick Bet-David?

  He's playing in a game. They're playing the National Anthem. And what he's doing is practicing his golf swing. Yeah, I want you to watch this here. Go for it. Go ahead.

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• 2:15:17Patrick Bet-David?

  All the other guys to his right, he's the example.

• 2:15:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And he's.

• 2:15:23Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm practicing.

• 2:15:26Patrick Bet-David?

  During the National Anthem.

• 2:15:31Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what he's doing, okay? So, anyways, you can pause this here. The president reacts to it. If you can get the clip that I sent you earlier. This is what the president had to say about it. Watch this.

• 2:15:42Tom Ellsworth?

  LeBron James, did you see that deal?

• 2:15:46Tom Ellsworth?

  No, he's doing, during the National Anthem, he's practicing his golf swing. He's practicing. So what the hell is that? No, it's a big scandal kind of a story. What's it all about? I don't understand it. I don't understand that we conducted large numbers of military.

• 2:16:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so he says this, and then LeBron's being asked about it, and here's what LeBron had to say. Go for it. How do you feel about the fact that Trump again tried to take shots at you on? Say that again? Unrelated to the game, how do you feel, again, that Trump tried to take shots at you at his beach tonight while you were playing as well as on social media?

• 2:16:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. It must have been a slow news day at the office, you know? Slow news day in the office. Chris? No, no.

• 2:16:25Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so why, why does it piss you off?

• 2:16:28Tom Ellsworth?

  Number one, because it's not even a, what you saw with like Kaepernick back in the day, all like the, I'm gonna sit down for the. This is even one step further. This is a total disregard. It's like, it's like almost, it's not even protest. It's just an F you to everyone, essentially, who cares about this country. Like, you can't even acknowledge, it's not even a form of protest. It's just, I don't even care. I'm, I'm above all of this. I'm better than this. It just reads like, it's super disgusting to me.

• 2:16:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Could it, could it be somebody make the argument of a LeBron fan saying he was so locked in? And that's what it was?

• 2:16:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:57Patrick Bet-David?

  He was like, he wouldn't do it on purpose to make fun of the National Anthem. Some LeBron supporters may say that. What do you say to that?

• 2:17:02Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't buy it.

• 2:17:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't buy it? Okay, because let me show you two different things. So this is him. He didn't walk off. He didn't sit down. He didn't kneel. He just practiced a swing. But the WNBA championship game, when it's taking place, the moment it comes to singing the National Anthem, this is what the WNBA players actually did. So there's a two difference. One, he stays, he's practicing his swing, doesn't sit down. These guys, look what these ladies do. Go for it. Ladies and, ladies do.

• 2:17:30Patrick Bet-David?

  They leave the court.

• 2:17:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, it's as an obvious sign of protest.

• 2:17:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Morissette sings the National Anthem, and then they come back in. So, do you consider both the same level of insult?

• 2:17:45Tom Ellsworth?

  They're fundamentally different kinds of.

• 2:17:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me what you mean by that.

• 2:17:47Tom Ellsworth?

  One, one is an obvious sign of protest, which I still disagree with, or, or, I think if, number one, people are tired of politics and sports. They're tired of politics and entertainment, I think, and all this stuff. But one is an obvious, I have a problem with the current administration, or I have a problem with something specific. I'm going to leave and make that demonstrate.

• 2:18:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Which I still disagree with. Then you have LeBron, which, if you said if it's just absolute disregard, that on many levels is almost worse, because it just shows that you're just so detached from what our country stands for and what our country does, that, they read differently to me, but they're both offensive.

• 2:18:20Speaker 03

  Here's my question. WNBA, what are they, there's no BLM, there's no nothing. What are, what are you guys protesting? That the world hates you?

• 2:18:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Wasn't there something also with like trans rights and?

• 2:18:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, by the way, and that's Kanter tried to go yesterday to a, a, a sign, paid for seat, they wouldn't let him into, into the arena. He had a T-shirt that said, by the way, what is a woman or whatever, but, and, and by the way, this is the W, how many times are, is this, this, do they disgust me, number one? This league, like, with everything that's happening, you're hemorrhaging money and all this freaking stuff? Pat, nobody even, did anybody here know that the finals for the WNBA was even happening?

• 2:19:01Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 2:19:02Speaker 03

  The Atlanta Dream and the Golden State Valkyries, I can't name one team. I just read it out loud. I don't even know. Okay, but they have a rulebook. Did you know this, Pat? WNBA and the NBA have a rulebook, Tom, that says, and like, whoa, players, coaches, trainers are to stand and line up in a dignified posture along the sideline or on the foul line during the playing of the National Anthem. Okay, that's why I have a problem, okay? Respect the, the freaking anthem. That's what you're supposed to do. People are buying tickets. Show some respect for the country that gave you this freaking opportunity, where you're playing an inconsequential game. You playing a, putting a ball in a, in a hoop doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of this freaking world. You know what I would do, Pat?

• 2:19:45Speaker 03

  And you said at the beginning, before we started, you, you wanna do this nonsense? You're gonna be fined? Do it again, you're gonna be suspended.

• 2:19:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Hundred percent.

• 2:19:51Speaker 03

  And if you're the commissioner, where's your freaking backbone? Why aren't you enforcing a rule that we didn't make it up? That's your rule. And I'm sick of these athletes trying to act like they're freaking loyalty. And to LeBron James, not to cut you off, Elon, you know why he disgusts me? You're one of the reasons, LeBron, that the NBA is going downhill, okay? Because of you. And until he retires, it's not gonna go up. And this one makes it even worse for LeBron, great point that I, I told Pat yesterday. You play for the 76ers. You know why they're called the 76ers? 1976, Philadelphia, the city where the Declaration of Independence was adopted. And LeBron, you were born in Akron, Ohio. He had, you know, childhood, whatever, with his dad and his mom. If he was born somewhere out of this country, if he was born in Sudan, okay?

• 2:20:34Speaker 03

  And some poor country, you think anybody would know who LeBron James's name was? No, okay? You were born here. This freaking amazing country gave you the opportunity. He made how much? $580 million NBA salary, more than a billion in endorsement. Forbes estimate worth 1.4 billion. You became the first active NBA player in history to become a billionaire. But when the National Anthem is on, like, that, you know what that's saying to me? He knows the world is watching. He knows everybody there is going to talk about it. That shows to me, this isn't the first time he's done it, by the way. He did this last year as well. I don't give a damn about.

• 2:21:08Tom Ellsworth?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:21:09Speaker 03

  He has the attitude of Michelle Obama, Barack Obama, this place sucks.

• 2:21:12Tom Ellsworth?

  But Vinnie, it's the exact identity breakdown of America that we've been talking about. It comes through entertainment. It comes through sports. It's all in, on some level by design that these people have been convinced that this is what they can do and should do. So, again, I think it's a much bigger problem. It is all part of that globalist ideal. People do look up to LeBron James. People do look up to these people.

• 2:21:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, but, which I don't, I'm not a big idol, what, Tom? Because I'm, I'm pissed off, Tom, because men and women died defending the freedom that allowed you to be you, LeBron James.

• 2:21:41Tom Ellsworth?

  So, I have a different take. If I was president, I would pick up one of those groovy pens, and I would do the following. Okay, you wanna run a private business enterprise? Conduct it the way you want to privately. You wanna have, you know, the public buying tickets to your private business? Okay, the public can buy or not buy tickets. And if you're not gonna sing the National Anthem? Or stand. You know, you're gonna, you're gonna create an issue. But if you're sitting in a stadium that was in part built with public money, where there was tax breaks given to that stadium, there were loans given to that stadium from the cities,

• 2:22:22Tom Ellsworth?

  excuse me, all of that money leads back to, Pat, the taxpayers. The taxpayers of the United States of America and of that state. So we'll do it this way. You get to give up all your antitrust exemptions so you negotiate broadcast rights. There's stacks of laws and a Supreme Court justice case on free agency, Bowie Coon versus Kurt Flood. Kurt Flood won. And they also found a little loophole that doesn't apply to the NFL. So all the leagues have been getting all of their, all of their, their, their, their sundaes with whipped cream and nuts on the top in the form of exemptions. You can do whatever you want. No more exemptions, and find a way to pay for that stadium so it's not being paid with taxpayer money,

• 2:23:07Tom Ellsworth?

  and you don't have a tax break at the arms of the taxpayers. Give up all that. Now do whatever the hell you want. Have your people do what they want. Wear swastikas for all I care, and see if somebody will buy tickets. But if you're gonna sit there and do this, one is systemic. The WNBA is systemically allowing the procedure to be teams off the court, teams come back.

• 2:23:32Tom Ellsworth?

  LeBron James is, what, fourth best player in NBA history behind, you know, Jordan and Kobe and Wilt? So you're here with this long-term pillar and yet you're gonna go and do this? Come on, dude. You can't see what's there? You don't have the same attitude that Jordan had that said, "I got my feelings, but Republicans buy shoes too." But on the systemic level, that really pisses me off. On the individual level, it just disappoints me and I will never, nobody I know will buy his jersey or support him personally. And that's a choice I can make because I'm a consumer. I can take this product, I can take that product. But systemic pisses me off.

• 2:24:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no question about it. Okay, gang, I hope you enjoyed today's podcast and you hope you have a good weekend. I think we're gonna do Monday again, home team. And then we got a couple of surprise of interviews that'll be launched on Monday. I got a couple of very weird people coming down here. If I told you was coming down here to do an interview, you would be surprised by a couple of them.

• 2:24:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Just get rid of it.

• 2:24:28Patrick Bet-David?

  But we're gonna have a good conversation. Yes, it is. We got big things. And again, for those of you guys that want to join us election night, long list of guests that are gonna be there. Go to boardroomcigarlounge.com, apply to be a member. Our team will get ahold of you. You do not want to miss what's gonna happen on election night. There's a reason why we have the biggest turnout of 22 million voters ever for midterm in the history of America. People are interested on what's gonna happen this midterm. Come join us November 3rd. Go to boardroomcigarlounge.com, apply, somebody will get ahold of you. God bless everybody, have a great weekend. Take care. Bye-bye, bye-bye.

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• 2:25:27Tom Ellsworth?

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