S13 EP19: It's Exhausting Having an Opinion

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  Good, well, who's John Skilling?

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  The dad. You can see he's sent this three times. July the 6th, Monday, July the 6th, Monday, the 3rd of August, Monday, the 31st of August, Monday, the 21st of September.

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  Today.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  Four times, yeah. And Michael's finally bitten. He's been, he's been changing his time of sending. His first send was Monday at eight, eight 49pm. Absolute disaster. Couldn't be further from a record.

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  Worst possible time.

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  Then Monday at 3:01pm.

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  Terrible, no. You might as well do it on fucking Saturday night.

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  Yeah. Then Monday at 8:34am. Good try.

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  Solid.

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  He's getting there. And then this morning, 7:34am.

• 3:52Speaker 03

  Early bird, early skillet catches the worm.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  The worm, yes.

• 3:59Speaker 03

  Talking of working the system, I saw a really good documentary on Netflix about these Irish syndicate that bought every single lottery ticket combination to win the jackpot.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  I'd like to watch that documentary.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  You'd love it. It's great.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  That sounds good. And does it work out?

• 4:16Speaker 03

  Do you want to spoiler?

• 4:18Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 4:18Speaker 03

  So, yes, it does, but they have to share it with three other people. So they only get like a third of the main jackpot, but because they bought so many others, they earned loads of money on the matching four, matching fives.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  So, yeah, they did well out of it.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  When did they do it?

• 4:33Speaker 03

  1992. This is so you, Josh.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 4:38Speaker 03

  You love it.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  And where's the documentary from?

• 4:41Speaker 03

  A couple of years ago. It's, it's on Netflix. Let me find out what it's called. But you will love it.

• 4:46Speaker 02

  That is my scene. We're currently watching the Kylie doc.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  I haven't seen that.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  It's good.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  Love a doc.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Love a doc.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  Well, there's nothing good on TV anymore, is there? So I thought I might as well go on to the streamers.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  Exactly, Rob.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  It's called Beat the Lotto, but it's leaving soon. It's leaving on, last day to watch is the 8th of October, so you've got enough time. It was done in 2025. What?

• 5:09Speaker 02

  Where's it leaving to?

• 5:11Speaker 03

  We're just into the, what is sort of like space junk of content. If stuff doesn't get licensed, it just floats around in space junk.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  So their theory is we will win the lottery by, because the jackpot has doubled or whatever.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  There's a guy that does an equation where essentially it costs 975,000 pounds to buy every ticket.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  And then the jackpot was about 1.5 million because there'd been a few rollovers.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  Doesn't feel enough, does it? Because what if two other people win it and you share?

• 5:45Speaker 03

  Exactly. So basically, ultimately, I mean, spoiler alert FC, but they, everyone that was involved in this massive syndicate earned about 40% profit.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  Worth it.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  So it was worth it, but it could have been massive, but it was still, because of all the other ones, it's still done really well.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  Did they have to physically fill them in?

• 6:02Speaker 03

  Yes. And yeah, so it's great. And then they had to go around to all the terminals and then the lottery people got wind of it, so started shutting down terminals so they couldn't buy the ticket. So they only actually spent 700,000 because they couldn't get all the tickets done.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  And they still won, so that was a bit more of a lottery. So that's good.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Oh, my word.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  Anyway, how are you? What's been going on?

• 6:22Speaker 02

  So they can fill them in in advance, I suppose. They couldn't have filled them in themselves, though.

• 6:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, one man did it with his family. Took him 10 months.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  No.

• 6:30Speaker 03

  So one man came up with a plan and then he sold it to these rich people, a few people with spare money, and then he just took a percentage of winnings because he didn't front the money. This is so you. This is so you.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  So me.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  So you.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Kind of thing Michael would do. We'd say, what have you been doing this week? And he'd go, yeah, I could imagine Michael going, I've worked out a way to play the lottery so that I win and I've done it myself and I've got no one else involved because I don't want to split the cash.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  No, I think Michael would more likely film the documentary of it.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  Of course, of course.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Would you, have you ever done a big grand plan to get a win over the big guys, Michael?

• 7:09Speaker 06

  I'm just thinking of the legality of what I can share. Let's just say yes in a, in a past life.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  This is why Michael doesn't show his face. He's like Frank Abagnale Jr. He's wandering around 1950s America with little necklaces. Have you dropped that?

• 7:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:25Speaker 03

  He's currently on Pan Am now to New York.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  I can't really remember Catch Me If You Can. Did he pretend to be a pilot?

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Do you know what I really enjoy is all this, which is our normal general tangent chat, and there's Strictly Hardcore waiting for us talking about Strictly.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, but let's talk about Catch Me If You Can first.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  So tell me about Catch Me If You Can.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  Have you ever seen it?

• 7:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I saw it when I was a student, so it's 25 years ago.

• 7:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's where all my reference points are from.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  Leonardo DiCaprio's Frank Abagnale. And Tom Hanks is trying to catch him if he can.

• 8:00Speaker 03

  If he can, yeah. And so he basically is forging cheques and pretending to be a pilot and getting the jump seats all around the world and then paying for stuff. And then it's a bit like a computer hacker. He ends up working for the people that hunt down con men.

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  I love that. That's a classic.

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  Mainly men.

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  The poacher has become the gamekeeper.

• 8:19Speaker 03

  The poacher, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, that's good. Can I, do you want me to talk about my week first?

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  Would you want to talk about your week?

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm happily to talk about your week.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  In a slightly less show busy Saturday.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  I attempted to buy or pick or look at carpets because I'm getting the office done.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  So I've got a room where I'm going to record the podcast in and then another room that's just going to sort of be my room to work from.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  I like carpets.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  That is your golf swing.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wanted a nice soft squidgy carpet that could be barefoot.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  That you could do putting on.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then I wanted a harder carpet that isn't going to bounce the sound around like this hard floor does now.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  Surely a squidgy carpet is what you need in your podcast room, isn't it?

• 9:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it's harder to move like, like furniture around and stuff like that. And, you know, if there's going to be desks in there and chairs and stuff like that. So maybe I could, but anyway, I walked in. Have you ever been in a carpet shop?

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Do you know what? I don't think I have.

• 9:15Speaker 03

  It's like a fucking simulation. I cannot believe it's real.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 9:20Speaker 03

  It's just carpet everywhere, but like, I'm talking like 3,000 things. I walked in.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  How did you choose a carpet?

• 9:28Speaker 03

  So basically, I had a well good Saturday because the kids had parties. One was over in like Windsor, Ascot way, right?

• 9:35Speaker 02

  Bloody hell, that's a journey.

• 9:37Speaker 03

  Journey, but it's like friends outside of school, but we get on with the parents. So it's like a bit of fun as well as just a party.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  And then one was at Blue Water. So Lou.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  That's a double up.

• 9:48Speaker 03

  Lou, Lou, so basically Lou had something to do in the morning. I just chilled indoors in the morning with, I took the dog's walk, chilled indoors in the morning. Then Lou said, I'll take one of the kids to the Windsor one, which is like, you know, three hour round trip essentially. I was like, cool, no, I was like, well, I'll do the Blue Water one. And she went, oh, there's a few people going, so you might be able to just drop three kids off and then another parent will bring all the kids back. Went, great. Anyway, then Lou goes, oh, you had an absolute winner here. One of the other kid's mom said, oh, don't worry, I'll take them and bring them back. So I had to drop, so I was watching the football, watch first half of the football, the Tottenham Villa game.

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  Yeah.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  Then in the halftime, managed to drop my daughter off and come back to watch the second half of the football and had nothing to do till six o'clock.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  She went to a carpet shop?

• 10:29Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, because I had to do, because Lou was like, well, if you're at home, you might as well go and pick the carpet. Honestly, Josh, I walked in, right? And I said to Lou, let me find the message I said.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  Do they come up to you and go, can I help you, sir? Or are you literally blindly walking around?

• 10:43Speaker 03

  I looked lost, so they, they sort of come over, but I didn't want any of it.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:49Speaker 03

  I just couldn't deal with it because I didn't know what I wanted. So I texted with Lou, I'm at the carpet shop and I'm overwhelmed, right? So I panicked and left because there was just too many cars. I couldn't deal with it.

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  Yeah.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  And then, then I went into the pet shop to look at some dog beds, just because it was next door, but I didn't buy any of them either. Then I went back in and then I was like, can we help you, sir? Can we help? And I, I literally just went, no offence, but I just cannot be bothered.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  I just can't do it. I just cannot be bothered to engage my brain into having to think about carpets.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  It's a big decision.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, and there's just so many. Surely you need about five options and then different colours. And so I sent this to Lou, right?

• 11:32Speaker 03

  I've given up at the carpet shop. I've just gone home. Honestly, Lou, I walked in there. There was 3,000 carpets. Everyone's on me, trying to talk to me and sell me shit. I just, I couldn't do it alone. I'm sorry. Well, maybe in the week we'll pop in or something, or you just pick for me. I just, I couldn't. There's just fucking loads of them everywhere. I don't know where you start.

• 11:55Speaker 02

  What carpet did they have on the floor?

• 11:58Speaker 03

  Mate, they swear they're all beige. They're all the same. Is that a hall of mirrors? And then Lou, Lou messaged, just stroke them all, just stroke them all and work out what you like to feel of. I'm like, but my fingers never touched carpet. If anything, I've got to go barefoot and put my feet on them.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  Feet off, like, like a man walking on grass trying to get back in touch with the world.

• 12:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just couldn't, as I'd said, I, I also, I don't care.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Crucially, I don't care.

• 12:22Speaker 03

  I just don't care and I'll just, I'll, I'll put up with anything.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:26Speaker 03

  So it's easier just to let Lou pick because I don't care and it'll annoy her if I pick something shit.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  Is she ever going to be here in your office?

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, she'll pop in.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, so.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  No, no, she's got, yeah. So, no, she's got a, like a, a space at the office as well.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  She cares about the carpet as much as you.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  She cares about the carpet just as much. And I know that really, what happens is, you're probably the same. Cause like, it figures, some people love that, like Rose's interior designer. She loves all that.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  I've got no interest in.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  No.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  In chipping in.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  I, I couldn't give a fuck. So I'm just like, look, I will literally put up with anything. I know if I pick something you don't like, that will annoy you. So just don't involve me. Pick whatever you want.

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  Do you know what you can do, Rob?

• 13:07Speaker 03

  What's that? Keep moving now.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  Get some samples sent to you.

• 13:10Speaker 03

  Carpet samples?

• 13:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, we've got carpet samples everywhere. There's always piles of carpet samples.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  Send me some samples.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  But I can't send you some samples.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  Why not? You've got them.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I don't know what you want. Go online.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  I don't know what I want either, Josh. Just send me what you've got and I'll pick one of them.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Right, in your favourite colours. Have a look at them and they'll send you little samples and then at home, it'll come in a bag, in a, you know, posted.

• 13:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:35Speaker 02

  We allowed 10 samples or whatever. I don't know.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  That's too many. I want four.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  All right, four. Choose your four. Can I send you?

• 13:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  And then you, then you can.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  Do you know what I might do? Can I just put on the phone, pick one for me?

• 13:48Speaker 03

  Whatever you think's best.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  I must say, whatever you think's best, 95% of my life.

• 13:56Speaker 03

  Well, we need to pick the child's name.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Whatever you think's best. I've just given up on having an opinion. It's exhausting having an opinion.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  Fault, especially when you've got a false one. What do you think of this one? Couldn't give a shit.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  Couldn't. I, I don't know.

• 14:13Speaker 03

  I don't know. Yeah. The crucial answer is, I don't know.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  So why should my opinion count as much as someone who thinks they do know? Do you know what I mean?

• 14:22Speaker 03

  Or, or, or that someone that's bothered about it.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  Dunno. Anyway, so I've tapped out. Lou's, Lou, Lou's gonna have to go this week.

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• 16:36Speaker 02

  Is Lou the kind of person that will go in, sort it and be done?

• 16:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, Lou's quite a quick decision maker like me. We're quite impulsive.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:43Speaker 03

  Just get, yeah, get that done. The way I look at it is ultimately your first instinct's probably right. And if you can just get it done in an afternoon.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Is there not a smaller carpet shop that you could go to? Whether you're not dealing with 3,000 carpets?

• 16:56Speaker 03

  It was on an, on an industrial set. I think I need to go to a small, little independent one and go, look. But I just went in there and there was all loads of people there and it was all lovely.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  You know, if it's on, is it mainly like people that work in the building industry?

• 17:08Speaker 03

  No, it was like, it was like an industrial set with like the Boots and Marks and Spencer's and stuff like that. And everyone in there was lovely, but they were coming over to me like, hi, how can I help? And I just, I honestly was like, I'd rather be dead than talk out loud about carpets. And that's nothing against carpets, the industry. I just can't. What do you think? Like, nothing. I like, I like it a bit soft. What about this one? But they're all the same, aren't they?

• 17:33Speaker 02

  I like them all a bit soft.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  I like it soft. He wants a hard carpet. I hate wooden floors. We've got wooden floors. I don't like, I like carpet.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  What about a rug?

• 17:41Speaker 03

  There's just never a squishy as a, and they're slick.

• 17:44Speaker 02

  It's more carpet.

• 17:45Speaker 03

  I like, I like a pinned down rug, AKA carpet.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  A rug that reaches the corners.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  I like a rug, I like a rug that reaches the corners. That's what I like.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  We, we had the school fete. We had the school fete.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Oh, you was on a stall, weren't you? Was this sat down somewhere?

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Well, when I got there, the, the head, she had commandeered the stall. She, she was just doing the stall. So I didn't have to do it in the end, which was ideal.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  So, oh, what stall was it?

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Sweet Tombola.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  Oh, it's a good stall. So why did the head do it?

• 18:13Speaker 02

  Well, she was mucking in, but I think, this is my theory and I would do it if I was in her position. Were I a teacher at a school, going to the fete, I would really want to get a role.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. So you're not called with chat.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  So you're not free and easy for people to go, well, I've got you. Do you do too much homework? Or do you know what I mean?

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Hmm. Or, you know, are you thinking that because as someone that hosts a podcast, you prefer to be manned to a stall?

• 18:46Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  To avoid small talk.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  Let's keep this back on track. You want to play the Tombola? Cause there's a queue. So let's keep this short and snappy. Cause there's refreshers on the line.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  Exactly. So, um, I, I will, you know, but then I, I got the best of both worlds. I volunteered and didn't have to do it.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  Cause there's a, my kids' school do like a Christmas fete and it's fire at night, but I fucking hate it.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Do you?

• 19:10Speaker 03

  Can't stand it.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Why don't you like it?

• 19:12Speaker 03

  There's just too many people. There's shit rides at the fair. Like the horrible, spinny like, yeah, but they're like spinny like horrible ones. Like, you know, ones that have been like, they arrive at seven o'clock and then someone sort of tightens them up and they're on them at eight. And I'm like, this can't be, this is no good. We, I just, it don't look safe and it makes you feel sick. Then there's fire. Not for me. It feels like a health and safety nightmare. Considering that like, my kids aren't allowed to like wear earrings for PE, but you're allowed to go there, have sparklers, there's a giant fire, they set off fireworks and you get on giant, massive metal fairground rides that were built 30 minutes ago. And like, you must take your earrings out for when you run alone for 400 metres.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  Could anyone tell me, actually don't, I was gonna say, get in touch if you have worn earrings during PE and it's gone wrong. But actually that's not what we want to hear.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  And I tell you what, email in if it's gone right.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:10Speaker 03

  I'll tell you, I saw the other day, I thought it was amazing. Keely Hodgkinson. Is it Hodgson? Hodgson? Cause runner, oh my God, she looks so cool in that. Did you see her new outfit?

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. You gonna get one?

• 20:20Speaker 03

  Cause I think, no, but I just think athletics, they look like right little nerds, don't they?

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  They're tiny little shorts. She looked like a superhero. It was amazing.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  Any long distance runners, there's just nothing on them, is there? They're just like a stick because.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  I know. And just like.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  Cause imagine the amount of calories they're burning each day. Cause they're like sports people, long distance runners, but they're not muscly sports people.

• 20:45Speaker 03

  Well, Keely's 800 metres, that's sort of sprint, isn't it?

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:49Speaker 03

  You sprint, I can sprint it, but you still were sprinting it. But she looked great. I loved it. I felt so cool. And it felt such an inspiring look to sort of young girls getting into athletics rather than just like shuffling little nerds. She looked like, she looked incredible.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  Have you seen the thing where people run on the treadmill at her speed?

• 21:05Speaker 03

  No, is it good?

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Well, they just can't do it. So there's a treadmill set to the speed that she runs at.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  Toxic men, saying I can do this.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  And there's toxic men who last about three seconds.

• 21:14Speaker 03

  Perfect.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  I'll, I'll watch that later. No, she's great though. She's got a great, great personality, isn't she?

• 21:20Speaker 02

  She is our number one athlete probably, isn't she these days?

• 21:23Speaker 03

  Our number one athlete.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  She is Britain's greatest athlete of 2026.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  Um, what else has been going on, Josh? What do you want to talk about? Strictly? Can we talk about Strictly?

• 21:32Speaker 02

  Talk about Strictly?

• 21:32Speaker 03

  I want to talk about Strictly. I thought it was amazing.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Thank you for being so kind. Thank you to everyone for being so kind. Genuinely.

• 21:38Speaker 03

  Someone on my dog walk said to me, didn't your mate Josh do well?

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Oh, that's nice.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  On numerous occasions.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  Do you know what? I've had a lot of, Rob.

• 21:46Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  My mum is a long time Strictly fan and she said you were great.

• 21:54Speaker 03

  Absolute classic feedback. Oh, that was great. Did you enjoy it? Did you enjoy watching it? I know.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  Did I enjoy watching it is a big question. Did I enjoy doing it? I loved it. Emmer and Jojo, a joy. It's so joyful. Do you know, someone said to me, um, so were you trying not to be as like caustic and cutting as you normally are? And I was like, no, I didn't even think about that. I was just having a great time. Do you know what I mean? Maybe on other shows, I'm not having as good a time and I'm taking it out on the topics we're covering.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  No, no, but I think though, look, it's the first one, it's the launch one.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  The, the, the celebrities are all nervous. They haven't, don't know who they're dancing with. They've not danced yet. You can't absolutely rip into them.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 22:32Speaker 03

  What was your favourite bit out of it all, would you say? Like, what bit was the?

• 22:36Speaker 02

  Just the chatting, just the joy of the chatting to people and then watching them do their dances and find their partners, which was a great way of finding their partners.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  And everyone's always happy. In 25 years or whatever it is, I've never seen anyone be disappointed. It's great. It's perfect.

• 22:51Speaker 02

  You put up a lovely Instagram. Someone, uh, someone put like, did anyone find that everyone was just too happy on it?

• 22:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, someone.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Just strictly.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. They said, it felt a bit OTT and everyone was too happy, like they've been paid to dance. I'm like, that's exactly what's happened. Uh, no, I thought it was brilliant, Josh. You should be really proud.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thank you for being so nice. Got lots of nice texts, lots of nice messages.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  I wasn't nice, I was honest.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  But now we've got to do it again.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  Thrayed loads.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  For ages. You build up to a moment.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  Then that again, loads more, please. 13 weeks.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  Win on the first day of the season and then you go, oh, wait a minute. Now we've got to play the football season.

• 23:30Speaker 03

  It's fine. You're just bedding.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Week in, week out, we go again, we go again, we go again.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  Did you have a watch party with your daughter?

• 23:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, we had loads of people around, couldn't hear a thing. It was, I would say one of the weirdest days of my life.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  I loved the chatting. You guys got loads out of all those dancers. Cause obviously there's no dancing properly this week. Cause it's the pairing up one. But I thought it was brilliant. It was like really funny, good chat, felt quite, it felt really normal and human and chilled. And you were talking to people and stuff like that.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  I think it was good. I was watching it. I was like, this is just strictly, isn't it?

• 24:05Speaker 03

  And I loved your wandering around, dancing, singing. You looked like Josh Fullbeans at a wedding.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  I was having the time of my life. I was having the time of my life.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  It was great, but you, cause I know you and you were, that's just what you're like.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Uh, should I talk you through the emotions of the weekend? Cause it's.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, go on, because it's a very overwhelming thing to do.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  I'd say it's quite an unnatural 48 hours in a human being's life.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  That's how I'd describe it. Saturday, very excited because I was really enjoyed the thing, the record of it, and I just wanted everyone to see it. But you don't really realise that you've been waiting five months for this.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  And then we had loads of people around and then the, cause we're having the house done, Rob, the internet isn't as strong because the boosters aren't out.

• 24:50Speaker 03

  So you're watching it on the internet?

• 24:51Speaker 02

  No, on the TV via iPlayer.

• 24:54Speaker 03

  Right. So you're streaming it on the TV.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  And then iPlayer starts buffering, Rob.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  Because of the demand.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  It wouldn't work. No, because our internet's.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  You created your own, but no, no, no, fuck, no, no, forget that. It's because everyone was trying to watch it on iPlayer. You'd created a buffer situation that you couldn't even access. The man with no buffer is now buffering the nation.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  The ultimate, you're like Thanos. You've taken everyone else's buffer.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  So then someone had to attach their phone, tether their phone, not attach it, you know, like to the screen.

• 25:25Speaker 03

  In, in, in the spirit of Josh Whittaker being Josh Whittaker.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  I know.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  It's the, it's so on brand.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  It's so mental.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Like even.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  I was so stressed at that point in my life.

• 25:36Speaker 03

  You haven't even got a TV with it on.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  Can't even watch. There's so many people here. There was about 20 people in the room. We, we can't watch it.

• 25:44Speaker 03

  Do you think it'll ever change?

• 25:46Speaker 02

  My life.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  No, but yeah, like the way you like, I don't know, but I just sort of, you sort of assumed them. Shall I message Danny, my agent? Who I'd say is quite a straight down the line, sort of efficient, excellent, good operator. But like, he isn't really the show busy type agent. He's a bit more.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  No, he's not.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  Business, he's all business. Right. Shall I message him and say, hey, Dan? Do you fancy coming around my house on Tuesday to watch Tempted Fortune together?

• 26:27Speaker 03

  If I run you an R, he'd go, um, I mean, cause I would never ask that. Cause I barely watch myself back on anything.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  If you phoned him and offered.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  So I asked him to come round to watch the final episode of Tempted Fortune.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  I think if you did that and he came around.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 26:42Speaker 02

  How would it be? Like.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  I think he'd, well, considering I've never asked him to watch anything with me and I make a point of not really watching anything back.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Should we say tonight, by the way, if you're listening?

• 26:54Speaker 03

  Oh, it's tonight. Yeah, it's tonight. Sorry. Tempted Fortune, 9pm, Channel 4 tonight. Um, yeah, I, I mean, I think you'd find.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  We've talked about it before. See if you can see, presuming in this episode, you haven't had the shits.

• 27:06Speaker 03

  No, yeah, well, you got it. Actually, why don't you watch? You can predict when I had the shits and at what point I look a bit thinner. Cause there's a point where I think I look the best I've ever looked. It's because I didn't eat for 48 hours.

• 27:17Speaker 02

  And, and see if you can, you know, identify the bit where he's stressed because he's been chased by a monkey.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Try and work out monkey stress and, um, stomach problem, weight loss.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  But, um, yeah, that might, I'll, I'll give you a clue. Neither of those things happened in the first step, but.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  No.

• 27:34Speaker 03

  If you stick with the series, you'll start to notice.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:42Speaker 01

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• 29:12Speaker 02

  We slightly mentioned this on footballing hell. So it's our anniversary today, which is not, so, oh yeah, here's an added stress.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  So it's Rose's driving test on Friday.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  Oh, coming up or bin?

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Bin.

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Okay, and?

• 29:29Speaker 02

  She gets an email in the morning.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  We've had to move your driving test.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  That's not okay. When to?

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Um, about a month or two's time.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  No. Brutal.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  On the morning, you've been waiting ages as well.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  Also, thank God she checks her emails. Because I don't really check my emails often enough that I, I don't think on the morning.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Oh, you paid your licence fee.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  I paid my licence, don't worry. So direct debit. Um, I don't check.

• 30:06Speaker 03

  I'll message Ramesh, tell him.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, if you could.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  Another one, Rom?

• 30:12Speaker 03

  Put it in your spreadsheet?

• 30:17Speaker 02

  I don't check my emails.

• 30:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  On the, if I was stressed about my driving test, I don't even go into my emails.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  No, you just.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  Presuming that someone who's ill or whatever it is, yeah, that what it must be.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  How ill have you got to be to sit in a car and let them drive you?

• 30:34Speaker 02

  Um, I've just found out she, she just text, she gets two free lessons as compensation.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. I thought you'd say two free.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Two free driving tests.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. If, yeah, those two points get scrubbed off and you get passed. If she has a minor. Are they still called minor or majors?

• 30:50Speaker 02

  I think they must be, yeah.

• 30:52Speaker 03

  Oh, that's annoying for Rose, especially if she's living.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  So, so, so basically it's been quite a stressful week generally.

• 30:57Speaker 03

  Also, poor Rose. Doing your driving test is quite a stressful thing. And of any week where she should be allowed to be stressed and have a bit of sympathy and attention for a big thing that's coming up, old Whittaker comes in with strictly on Saturday.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  To be fair, I was quite, I was quite stressed free during the week strangely. It all came on the Saturday.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  Um, then I watched it, could barely hear it.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  It was good. There was loads of funny moments in it. Everyone, it was great. Loads of good energy. And it just felt like a normal episode.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  I know.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  I think the hardest part of those things is the opening link, because you have to do a link that you will never, ever do on that show ever again. Cause you just sort of have to walk out and go, hello, we're new. Whatever, when on any show, when there's new presenters, you sort of have to go, hello, we're new and do a joke about that. And introduce what's going on and then go, right, we've done that. And then we'll never do any of that ever again on this show forever.

• 31:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  And then we'll just do the actual show.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  But you don't want to make too big a thing of it because it's not about you. Do you know what? Watching Strictly also, you suddenly go, oh yeah. I'm not on camera. That, do you know what I mean? It's quite.

• 32:02Speaker 03

  I know. You're barely in it.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Strangely, I'm not a huge part of this. In a good way, I mean, like, do you know what I mean? You're like, this is a show that we are a bit of.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, a hundred percent. You're not, it's not.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  This isn't the Graham Norton Show. Do you know what I mean?

• 32:15Speaker 03

  But, um, no, you were, you were honestly, I was worried and you were brilliant. Cause I didn't know how you were going to cope with it, but you coped with it perfectly. Excellent performance, no notes, just felt like strictly more please.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  I think, I think it'll be grand.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  The, a quote that always helps me is when they say, if there's no enemy within, the enemy outside can do you no harm. So as long as you're solid in the fact that you've done your best and you're enjoying it and you are good enough.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  Cause you can only be you. You can't do any more than turn up with good intentions and try your best. That is good enough. So the first live show on Saturday, we've got a busy week, don't we?

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Saturday, yeah. We're going to Stockholm together.

• 32:52Speaker 03

  We're going to Stockholm together, um, for a conference.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  A conference.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  Hmm. About podcasting. I've never been to Stockholm.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  If that goes well, then I'll feel happy.

• 33:03Speaker 03

  I'll imagine that on the way back. What did all the guys say, Michael? Did everyone say that was a great fireside chat? How was it? Was it, how many were in the room? Were they queuing to get in the room? Good, yeah.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  We're gonna rip this fireside chat.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Who do you think, Rob, has got it most together? I'd say you've dealt with a lot of this, but you have been through a lot of this kind of thinking.

• 33:27Speaker 03

  But who do I think?

• 33:29Speaker 02

  I'd say, I wouldn't say Ramesh is immune to this kind of thinking.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  I'd say me, you and Robert are very similar approaches to this horrendous hole inside of us. So we've attempted to fill with this job and worked out if there's a leak and now it keeps going out again. But we're working towards it. Do you know who I think's got it together? Who's got a brilliant balance and I really, I find inspiring, Alison Hammond.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  She, and do you know what her strength is? Prioritising what really matters, the amount of work she said no to when her son was younger.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  To focus on him and made her really realise what's important in life. I think it's enabled her to take on all these big jobs with so much grace and ease and confidence. Because she goes, hey, my most important thing in the world is my son and my family. This is a bit of fun. I'm gonna go out, like I said, do the best I can and enjoy myself. That comes across on screen and that way she can balance it really well. And like, you know, I've worked with her and also friends of her social and she's brilliant at that.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 03

  And she's so authentic and that's what I thought you guys were like on the show. For like three really authentic people that love it, that care and they're into it. And that, that new lease of energy was, I thought brilliant.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Well, onwards and upwards. Thank you for all the lovely comments.

• 34:52Speaker 03

  But if you have got any tips for Josh, wanna send them in, it's a lock down.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Now, Rob, I've got to ask you something.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Stockholm. How are we going to approach the plane? Are we all gonna chat or are we all gonna go headphones in?

• 35:10Speaker 03

  Well, we will have done a day of podcasting.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  I think we get on the plane, sit in separate places, don't talk, headphones in, just to add spice to the Reddit rumours.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Michael, are you, are you checking in the seats?

• 35:27Speaker 06

  Seats are already assigned, yes.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  So who's together?

• 35:30Speaker 06

  So you, it's you two in the two and then I am next to you, but I'm, the aisle is between us.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:36Speaker 06

  So I'm gonna have a random sat next to me on my right.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  Okay, cool, yeah.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  And what's your plan for the plane, Michael?

• 35:41Speaker 06

  Headphones in, not even the plane, taxi on the way to the airport.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  Two bloody Marys and a good old chat.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  To whoever's listening.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Michael, what else, how much other time are we gonna be spending together in Stockholm?

• 35:58Speaker 06

  So we get there late that evening, so I suspect check in, straight to bed. Following morning, I imagine breakfast.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  Couple of beers, couple of beers in the evening in the, in the bar? No, you're not interested? Michael's. Can I suggest something for our trip to Stockholm?

• 36:13Speaker 03

  You can't start drinking on it. I think that's bad for the show. I think that's bad for Shriekly. I think that's bad for us.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  I think the Elizabeth line's better than the, than getting a car from central, central London.

• 36:23Speaker 03

  Well, should we sort that out off pod? We'll work it out, won't we? But Josh, well done. Be proud of yourself. Don't think about it anymore.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  Oh, easy.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Now it's time for small business shout out, brought to you by Vista Print, your expert print partner to help you bring your ideas to life. Rob, talk to me about how Vista Print can help you with your small business. Here's an idea. First of all, I hate badly printed merch.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  You know, when you go somewhere, you're gonna see a new band or something, you want their merch and it's, it's ruined in one go in the washing machine. It's heartbreaking.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  The mug when the image goes.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  The mug when you think, I can't dry clean this, not dry clean it, I can't dry clean it.

• 37:05Speaker 03

  I don't know how dry cleaning works. Sure, you've got to give it a bit of a.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  I've never understood it. I've never understood it, Rob. I'm, I'm, I'm never gonna, I never am gonna.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  I'm never gonna look into it.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Imagine you're starting a new dry cleaning business. You've got some merch.

• 37:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  You want it printed well because that mug.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  Sorry, you're a dry cleaning business doing your own merch for the dry cleaning business?

• 37:21Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  Fair enough.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  It's a popular dry cleaning business.

• 37:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. And what, and what is the new band doing? Pressing trousers in the interval?

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Exactly, yeah.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Do you know what I love? A branded T-shirt for a small business.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:32Speaker 03

  So building firms.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:34Speaker 03

  We had a building firm and they came and they've all got the matching polo shirts.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  With the matching logo and they all look clean, they all look smart. And at that point, I don't care what they're doing to my foundations. I trust the polo.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Exactly. Trust the polo.

• 37:48Speaker 03

  That's different though. They look like a professional outfit.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Because they're wearing a professional outfit.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Exactly. Right, small business shout outs. Hi, Rob, Josh and Michael. I'm a huge fan of you both and the pod and listen back to all of your episodes whilst I'm a turn and leave. With our one year old, I would like to give a small business shout out to my husband, who's finally taken a leap and going fully self-employed with his business RG Car Care. Based on Marsh Barton in Exeter. Yeah, you like that?

• 38:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  He'll be able to do your car.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  Does it clean cars?

• 38:18Speaker 03

  Well, it's called Car Care. I don't think he's stroking it and asking if it's all right.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  I'll take, I'll, I'll be there tomorrow.

• 38:23Speaker 03

  Right, okay.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Well, I'm in London.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  If you're looking for a friendly, reliable and trustworthy vehicle technician, offering servicing.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 03

  Diagnostics.

• 38:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  And MOT appointments with local.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  I'll do my next MOT with him.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Local pick up and drop off services available.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  I'm so proud of him for taking this huge step, especially alongside our first year of parented.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  Oh my word.

• 38:42Speaker 03

  We've over 14 years experience in the trade. Not only will we be supporting a local small business.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  I've just done my MOT, so.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  He's got a year to wait.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, sorry.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  You'll be helping to support a young working family, make a dream come a reality. RG underscore car care on Instagram.

• 38:57Speaker 02

  Great.

• 38:57Speaker 03

  Good luck. Again, all this will be on our Instagram as well on Sunday.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  Get in touch with me in about nine months. Hello, Rob, Josh and Michael. I'd love to say I've been a listener since the early days, but that just wouldn't be true. Fair play. My wife introduced me to your podcast a couple of years ago and I love it and I've spent loads of time listening back to old episodes. Listening to a couple of recent episodes, Josh mentioned he's getting back into photography. I realised I have a small business. Despite being self-employed and a parent of three kids, for some reason during lockdown, I decided to start another side project, an SP, and created Front Photography. Front is a website you sign up to as a photographer to sell prints of your photos.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  Ah, that's a good idea.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  We take care of all the printing and shipping, plus we manage all the payments. I'd love to offer a discount to all the parenting hell listeners, but I can't because it's completely free to sign up.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Oh, what a sales pitch.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  We take a small commission on each sale, so it's easy for anyone to sign up and give it a go. It's a really great business idea, that. Our website is www dot front dot photography. And you can find us on Instagram at front dot photography. Stay sexing relatable, Luke. Vista print.co.uk, print your possible. To get 15% off your first Vista Print order, visit vista print.co.uk and use the code POUNDINGHELL15.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  See you next week for the pod, but I'll see you in a couple of days.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Are you looking forward to, are you looking forward to Stockholm?

• 40:23Speaker 03

  I'm gonna try and buy a football shirt in Stockholm.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Are you?

• 40:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's my plan.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Have we got any, have we got any time for that, Michael?

• 40:29Speaker 03

  We'll find time.

• 40:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, we've got a little bit of time before we fly back.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  Lovely.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  There we go. Michael, headphones in, going to separate shirt shop.

• 40:38Speaker 03

  Go on, Michael. Now he'll be all over it. He's obsessed as me.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  Michael, are we gonna get to see your face in Stockholm or are you gonna?

• 40:47Speaker 03

  Full ban of claver.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Full ban of claver. He's going full protest in Portsmouth.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  Jesus, Josh has got security.

• 40:56Speaker 03

  Right, see you next time, lads.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  See ya.

• 41:03Speaker 06

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