NFL Week 4 Preview, The 3-1 Cleveland Browns, Playoff Baseball Sadness + Eric Hosmer Talking Playoffs, Alshon Jeffery In Studio + Fyre Fest

The Cleveland Browns win the Game of the Century and are now 3-1 and Deshaun Watson is playing good football (00:00:00-00:14:12). Playoff baseball and the PMT teams are officially out. We recap all of our team's demise and the White Sox beating the Astros (00:14:12-00:32:37). NFL Week 4 Picks and Preview for every game including Glenn Tape Watch with a twist, what to make of Bo Nix and more (00:32:37-02:02:28). We then welcome on World Series Champion Eric Hosmer to break down the MLB Playoffs, who he likes in the next round, rest vs rust and more (02:02:28-02:27:37). Alshon Jeffery joins us in studio to talk football, South Carolina, Steve Spurrier and more (02:27:37-03:06:50). We finish with Fyre Fest of the Week You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take https://barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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• 2:33Speaker 00

  Welcome to Pardon My Take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Fri. October 2nd, and the Cleveland Browns are three and one after winning the game of the century. Who, who, who, who? Can we get some barks?

• 2:52Speaker 00

  I mean, not, not the same old Browns. We, my assistant, Tom, who we talked about, who dubbed this the game of the century that got us all hyped for game of the century as, as Schmidt was lining up that 56 yard bomb in the wind. He just kept on muttering, if we hit, if we make this, we're not the same Browns. If we make this, we're not the same Browns. Prove that we're not the same Browns. And guess what? They're three and one and Deshaun Watson is playing good football.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  It was the kick of the century. It was a kick of the future, as he was saying. Things are going to be different, but it's actually more of the same with the Browns on Thursday nights because the Browns are awesome on Thursday night.

• 3:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Browns since 2020, six and oh. Undefeated Thursday night. Steelers, one and six.

• 3:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  I think it's been like 20 years since the Steelers have won an away game on a Thursday night.

• 3:42Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  So yeah, the trend of that continues. But more importantly, Deshaun Watson was smiling. And I don't think I've

• 3:49Speaker 00

  And he was good at football.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  And he was good, but I don't think I've seen the guy have fun playing football since he was a Houston Texan. They did like a little image rehab interview with him today before the game started.

• 4:00Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 4:01Speaker 02

  So I guess now we're just kind of, kind of, kind of move on into the future and be like, this is a tremendous redemption story.

• 4:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  Now that he's good at football again.

• 4:08Speaker 00

  It's inspiring.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  Very inspiring. No, but he's, he played really good. He is back to playing serviceable football.

• 4:15Speaker 00

  And he was doing it like he looked like the old Deshaun. I mean, there was, there was a bad sack at the end of the game, but it didn't matter because they kicked the field goal.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  Kind of his thing, yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 00

  And, and there was also a fumble, but like he, he was moving well, had a couple plays with his feet, had, had a couple, like there was zip on the ball. He took some deep shots. The Browns are, they're, they're, dare I say, are they, are they good? They might be a good football team.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  They're three and one.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  They're three and one.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Now, now it's officially screenshot season. If you're a Browns fan, take a look at the standings.

• 4:48Speaker 00

  Mason Graham getting hurt sucks. That definitely kind of spoils the night a little bit, but hopefully he's not that injured. But yeah, their defense is salty and their offense can actually move. They got some nice young weapons.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, the wide receivers.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  Shannon is the man. I love that he wears 44.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, conception, Concepcion.

• 5:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  And Boston.

• 5:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  At receiver, two really nice players, good young players. Defense, they look good again, too, even, even after, even after Graham went out. Like

• 5:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  The, the Browns, I do think are a good team. If they can get, if they can get consistent play from Deshaun, they will be in the, the race for the division at the end of the year.

• 5:28Speaker 00

  Yep. And the Steelers, uh, they're the same Steelers. I mean, their secondary is not very good. They're, they are injured. They just traded Joey Porter. Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy, the ISO cams of when Mike McCarthy was calling in plays was just the greatest watch ever. He, the disdain on Aaron Rodgers' face when he would hear the play and then have to call it in in the huddle was just so fucking good.

• 5:54Speaker 02

  It would be any play, he'd be like, the fuck is this guy talking about? And then it would show Mike McCarthy on the sidelines and he'd just like look at, usually it was Mason Rudolph. So whoever's next to him and just be like, what's this guy's deal?

• 6:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Like they just, they clearly hate each other. But I guess it worked. I guess it worked for the most part. Like the, the offense looked better tonight than it had

• 6:13Speaker 00

  Well, yeah.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  In the past couple of weeks.

• 6:14Speaker 00

  I was going to say for the Steelers, like if you're, that's a, that's a bad loss. Because I don't know. I mean, you

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Their defense is bad.

• 6:20Speaker 00

  Their defense is bad. And they also, they also lost a defensive starter, but Jalen Warren looks like he's got so much pop. Like he, every time he touches the ball is electric. And DK Metcalf had a good game. He did do his dumb deep K Metcalf penalty.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  But he caught a couple, a couple like deep shots and that has to make you a little excited. Oh, and Darnell Washington is just the, he might be my favorite player to watch when he gets the ball. There was a moment in this game when he caught a dump off that was maybe three yards past the line of scrimmage and it took six Browns to tackle him. He was like hand fighting them off of him.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  I mean, it's, it's pretty crazy, his, his career. He's never been the go to option on any team that he's been on. But now it looked like at the end of, at the end of regulation, he's going to be their red zone guy when they absolutely

• 7:13Speaker 00

  They were taking shots at him, yeah.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  They did like three in a row to him. None of them worked out on the very last drive, but it got them down to the goal line and eventually got to be able to tie the game. But yeah, he's so much fun. When he gets the ball in his hand, he's 6'7". How much does he weigh now? Are we thinking 300? Are we thinking over?

• 7:29Speaker 00

  400?

• 7:30Speaker 02

  300.

• 7:31Speaker 00

  More?

• 7:31Speaker 02

  370 pounds.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  He's 6'7", 370. And I was saying that watching, watching defensive backs tackle him, it's like watching an elephant with a bunch of lionesses just like jumping over him and, and one, one guy like grabs onto his foot, another guy grabs the waist, one guy like drapes himself on the shoulder pads and they just hope that eventually through fatigue he'll fall down.

• 7:52Speaker 00

  It's, it's, uh, it's like a Jason Statham movie when, when just a bunch of the bad guys just jump on him at once and he just kind of, he does like, he like crouches and then shrugs them all off and they all go flying. What a fun game, though.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Very good game.

• 8:05Speaker 00

  That was a very fun Thursday night football, game of the century for a reason.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  We're, we're going to forget about it because it ended up working out for him. But really stupid move by the Browns at the very end of the game to kick the ball into the end zone.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  That was, we saw it happen.

• 8:18Speaker 00

  It was, it couldn't have been more like directly what just happened.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  It was the biggest story in terms of like late game mismanagement of the

• 8:26Speaker 00

  10 seconds.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. 10 seconds left. The Browns kicked it in the end zone. No time runs off the clock and they get the ball at the 35 yard line.

• 8:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  And, and then at that point, you're just one medium completion away with a timeout to kicking a field goal.

• 8:40Speaker 00

  Which was kind of weird how they did, the Steelers did do the last play because I feel like it was, it was just, it was right in between a hail mary and not, and it took almost all the time. I know there was one second left when they came down with the interception.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:51Speaker 00

  But it was kind of a weird, I don't know. It felt like they were trying to get 50 yards instead of just get 30 yards.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:58Speaker 00

  Go for a bomb field goal, but

• 8:59Speaker 02

  There was also one play that TJ Watt had, one of the best defensive plays I've seen in a very long time tonight where TJ Watt, he faked out like he was going to the mesh point, like he was following the, the running back.

• 9:10Speaker 00

  And he came back, yeah.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  On the handoff. So he intentionally took one step like directly at the running back just to fake out Deshaun who kept the ball. TJ pushes off, gets to his other foot and with his wide arm punches the ball out the TJ punch.

• 9:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  As we'll get to in a second.

• 9:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  But that was, that was one of the best individual heads up football plays I've seen all year.

• 9:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  For any player at any position. That was awesome.

• 9:33Speaker 00

  It was awesome. All right, boys. Do we want to talk some baseball?

• 9:40Speaker 00

  Sure. Who wants to go first?

• 9:42Speaker 03

  Why don't you talk about Mike Tomlin's Minecraft?

• 9:44Speaker 00

  Mike Tomlin's Minecraft was the, was the video of the year. I'll say that right now. Uh, I watched it with my son. His attention to detail, uh, was just remarkable.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:56Speaker 00

  And his love for exterior design and interior design, he loved, uh, building out furniture on all the patios. My fit, my personal favorite part was, uh, he's obsessed with aquariums. He put aquariums in a bunch of his high rises, including one high rise where there's a massive aquarium in the penthouse and that high rises right across the street from the actual aquarium in the city. He's, he kept on teasing it. He's like, this is the baseball stadium. We'll get to that at a later date. Every time he releases one I'm in.

• 10:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:29Speaker 00

  It was, it was so peaceful and calming. And yeah, if you're a Steelers fan, I would understand being really pissed off watching that.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  Because that's bullshit.

• 10:37Speaker 00

  I think it took a lot of hours.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  It definitely took a lot of hours, but I mean,

• 10:41Speaker 03

  Guys can have hobbies.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. Some, some coaches go fishing. Some coaches go home and actually some coaches don't go home at all. This is actually a very healthy hobby, I would say.

• 10:50Speaker 00

  It was funny. His son, his son tweeting out that like, sometimes I'd come home from school and my PlayStation would be taken and I wasn't even in trouble.

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:58Speaker 00

  What were you gonna say, Zach?

• 10:59Speaker 03

  That had to be like 3,000 to 3,500 hours.

• 11:01Speaker 00

  It's crazy. It was, it was awesome to watch.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  The high rise apartments, like the attention to like luxury living.

• 11:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  Like he's got a sauna rooms and spas downstairs.

• 11:09Speaker 00

  The lighting, he kept on talking about, I had to get the lighting right.

• 11:12Speaker 02

  So he had a lot of glass roofs?

• 11:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, a lot of glass.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  He had the glass roofs because he said back when he first started, the lighting that they had in the game wasn't adequate.

• 11:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. He's a true OG.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Does, do you think he's a big like, uh, he's really into trains?

• 11:25Speaker 00

  Uh, I don't know. I didn't see any train stations in his, in his.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  But the kind of guy that would be super into.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  Possibly. I'm excited because my, I mean, I, like I said, I watched it with my son. He's like, I want to build that. I was like, great. You don't have a job. You're not the head coach of a, of a, of a football franchise.

• 11:40Speaker 02

  I also,

• 11:41Speaker 00

  You got the free time.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  I also wonder if he stopped doing it like after he got fired. If it was something that stopped immediately upon, like he's.

• 11:49Speaker 00

  No, no, I, I think this is still, it's still going.

• 11:51Speaker 02

  He still works on it?

• 11:52Speaker 03

  You don't put that much time into something and then just.

• 11:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, he said he's like, he was talking about how he has to like excavate a lot of the terrain to make it so that he can build buildings. It's a whole process. Waterway, saying the, the lake was, it was all built around the lake. Zach, what'd you think? You watched the video.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  He said the seed that he got from Minecraft, which is like the biome, like the lot of launch they drop you at a little piece of land you get to work with originally, didn't have enough water that he wanted. So he's just trenching rivers for like weeks on end to get the right like waterfront property value almost.

• 12:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:24Speaker 03

  It's, it's actually very impressive.

• 12:25Speaker 00

  It was incredible. It was incredible. Everyone should go watch it. Uh, Mike Tomlin, I didn't know, I mean, like,

• 12:32Speaker 00

  what a, what a, what a like 180 in terms of like likability and like getting to know a guy, you know?

• 12:38Speaker 02

  I really liked the part that was, uh, the part of the city that was close to the ballpark where he has like high rises that can look over and, and, and watch the game as it's being played. Like,

• 12:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, we, we're going to get to the ballpark. Yeah. He's just kept on teasing us.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  No, but the, the high rise.

• 12:51Speaker 00

  No, I know, I know.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  He made like a modern ballpark area, like a downtown area. He constructed it around the ballpark in a way that,

• 12:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Anyone that lived or worked in the area would be able to watch baseball during the day.

• 13:04Speaker 00

  Kept, kept talking about urban density, how important it was to him.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  He hinted at like different apartments, having different floor plans. Like, yeah, we've got penthouses up top, but there are some like studios and one bedrooms lower down.

• 13:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. And there's a, I think there's a, he's, he teased, maybe there's some single family home suburban area that he hasn't shown us yet. But, uh, yeah, I, this is also why, I mean, we, we always knew it with Mike Tomlin, like everyone, he was a player's coach and everyone's like, we'd die for him. You get it when he talked, when he just is sitting in a chair, talking to you about Minecraft. You're like, yeah, this guy's awesome.

• 13:35Speaker 02

  When, when they first said that he was going to be on NBC football night in America, he was going to be an analyst. I was skeptical. I thought Mike Tomlin might not have that much interesting things to say. He might still be in coach mode where he doesn't want to share too much. I was so wrong about that. It never, never in a million years would I would have thought that, oh, you know what? Within one month of him being on TV, he's going to sit us down and guide us through a 12 year Minecraft project that he's been working on.

• 14:02Speaker 00

  And he's also like, he's criticizing coaches, which is very like rarely done. It's supposed to, it's a taboo thing. If you're a former coach, you know, criticize, he was criticizing the Cowboys last weekend, rightfully so.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  He did, uh, he did apologize for his lack of stick control in Minecraft.

• 14:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  So what, what does that mean, Zach? Why was he, why was he, so are some people saying that like he doesn't have the skills?

• 14:24Speaker 03

  So he's not super nice with the joysticks. So like his sensitivity is also lower. So like he's kind of in the mud a little bit, moving around. He's not the most efficient guy as far as like getting it done. So which kind of shows to his point of the project even more impressive because he like stuck through it. He's like, he loves it this much. It's a slow roll, but we'll get it done.

• 14:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. He did it all on controller, which is significantly harder.

• 14:46Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  Significantly more impressive.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  How much, how much more time would it take on controller as opposed to using like keyboard, mouse?

• 14:54Speaker 03

  I think it doubles his time almost.

• 14:56Speaker 00

  Oh my God.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  Nice on the keyboard.

• 14:59Speaker 04

  On controller, you have to do it one at a time.

• 15:00Speaker 00

  Oh my God. Uh, all right. Let's talk some baseball. Max, you know what? I'll go first and then Hank can go, and then you can finish this off. Cubs got, well, no, first we should say, uh, the, we should talk about the winners because we're going to talk about the other series. The White Sox beat the Astros on Wednesday. That team is having the most fun and they just, you could just see like Chase Mydroth, that home run was an electric October moment. I guess it was technically September. We're going to talk to Eric Hosmer more about the teams that are still alive and the White Sox are in that, but they are, you could just, you just see it like they're just, they're all unafraid and they're just kind of balls to the wall.

• 15:43Speaker 00

  Uh, just fighting for each other. That's just a team that you could like, there are certain teams in October that have that young energy that the White Sox have. And the first time they've won a series in, uh, two decades. And so, yeah, they got the guardians this weekend. It's, it's going to be, the raid is going to be on fire. I know they have day games, which kind of sucks, but it's still going to be awesome.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was, it was so fun to watch them celebrate afterwards. What was the saying? Was it like drunk yesterday, hungover tomorrow?

• 16:12Speaker 00

  Sorry, I don't speak English.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Sorry, I don't speak English. I am Japanese.

• 16:15Speaker 00

  Morikami is, he's awesome.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  He is the best. He, he is the absolute best. And then his translator just being like, I am drunk.

• 16:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  He is drunk. That looked like the best locker room to be in. Uh, I, I am rooting for the White Sox. I, I would like to see a team from Chicago in the world season. I think that'd be awesome.

• 16:29Speaker 00

  Also, uh, shout out, uh, Chris Getz, because you know, the GM for the White Sox who, uh, you know, he went through a lot of shit. Like that was a lot of bad, there was, there's some bad years where people were wondering like, is this guy, is his vision going to come through? And I think I saw the stat, I think it was, so the, the Garrett crochet trade that he made that some people were maybe not in for. I think three out of the four guys they got back all played every single inning against the Astros and all came through in different meaningful ways. So he's built, he's built a young, hungry team and they're blessed by the Pope. They're blessed by the Pope. So they have, they have God on their side and, uh, it's tough to, tough to beat them right now. I'm very excited for that series against the guardians. It'll be

• 17:14Speaker 00

  good playoff baseball. All right. Let's talk about losers. You guys ready to talk about losers? Max? Uh, yeah, it was, it was Mydroth, Kyle Teal, uh, Braden Montgomery, all were part of the trade for crochet and they all, uh, played well in the series. The Cubs lost totally non-competitive, uh, two games in San Diego.

• 17:36Speaker 00

  Failure of a season. I don't know anyone, like anyone who says differently, uh, like PCA aside, who was incredible. And I'll always remember PCA 2026. The actual season was a failure. There was a ton of injuries. You can definitely look at that and I, you can't just like say, oh, they failed and they didn't try. They tried. Ton of injuries, flawed team. The, the bats did not show up in San Diego. Uh, got dog walked in the central by the Brewers yet again. So failure of a season. Got to look in the mirror and a lot of things got to change. That game, Wednesday night was so, so frustrating because the Cubs played two 18 innings and I don't think, there was one moment, there was one moment where I thought, oh my God, this could be something.

• 18:19Speaker 00

  And it was Dansby Swanson with two on, no outs, swinging at ball four and five and, uh, with PCA on deck. And that was kind of it. And it was just like, all right, we're out. It was just a feeble, feeble way to go out. We had, we had one hit, uh, between the, the top of the order, one, two, and three, and it was, uh, actually a pinch hit. So it wasn't even, it wasn't even PCA Bregman and Michael Bush. I will say that the, the, it's hard to be like, oh, no show of the play. Like they did no show, but I, a two game sample size is very small.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:53Speaker 00

  But it still sucked. They sucked. They sucked. They absolutely sucked. The pitching was bad. We knew it going in. We knew that was gonna be a problem, but when you don't score runs, you can't really blame the pitching. They had one of the best offenses in baseball. You could obviously argue there were some games where we pumped some, some position players and juice the numbers. But when you score one run in a two game series, you're not gonna win. So that's how the Cubs went out. And it's sad. It's always sad when baseball's over.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, just big picture. I hate the format of the wild card round.

• 19:25Speaker 05

  Same.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  I hate it. I can't stand.

• 19:27Speaker 00

  Why? What would you like? I like it better than what we had.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Three game, three game series sucks.

• 19:31Speaker 00

  The one game was, was brutal.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  I best of three sucks. It's, it's, you shouldn't call it a series. There's no feel for it.

• 19:37Speaker 00

  You go back to the one?

• 19:38Speaker 02

  There's no ebbs and flows. I think, yeah, I think that's probably the best way to do it. I don't think that there's.

• 19:42Speaker 06

  May as well be one.

• 19:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:43Speaker 06

  You win game one, you win.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  It's 20, I think 22 out of 24 teams.

• 19:48Speaker 06

  No, it's one team that there's one team that has lost game one and has come back. It's Yankees last year against the Red Sox.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  I thought that there, I thought that there were two. My bad. All right. Well, so I guess it's 23.

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. So maybe make it one.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  24. But yeah, this format sucks. There's, it's not a series. You get none of the joy that you get out of a series where you kind of have like, you know, uh,

• 20:06Speaker 05

  Well, it's one, one at home. Yeah.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's no, there's no like counter moves to be made. There's no reacting to those counter moves. It's just pretty much, yeah, one, whoever wins game one, congratulations.

• 20:16Speaker 00

  I don't know. Last year there was, it was a three game series. Like we played all three games against the Padres and obviously it was because the Cubs won. I have fond memories of it, but it was, there was some intensity and back and forth. But yeah, I mean, it, well, I'm not opposed to the one game. I just think the one game with the expanded playoff, I wouldn't be opposed. I just always think about, uh, 2015 when the NL Central was insane. And I think the Cardinals won 100 games. Cubs won like 97 or 96.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:41Speaker 00

  And the Pirates, or no, the Pirates won 97 or 96, Cubs won 95. And so the Pirates won 97 games and they were out in one game.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  That's brutal. But yeah.

• 20:51Speaker 06

  Yeah. I realistically, I, I, I still, I think I still like it better than, than the one game.

• 20:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:57Speaker 06

  It's insane how, how it's worked out that it doesn't even matter.

• 20:59Speaker 00

  It's an imperfect 98 games. It was 100 games Cardinals, 98 games Pirates, uh, 97 games Cubs. Yeah. It's an imperfect system. I agree. I, I do think I prefer it over one game just because one game feels like you could, you could be a really, really good team and then just one bad game. But yeah.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  But winning your division has to mean something.

• 21:17Speaker 00

  No, it does. No, I'm saying that, that year, like that was a, that was a year like that I always looked to. And I'm like, the Pirates won 98 games. They only got one game playoffs.

• 21:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. It sucks.

• 21:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  It sucks. There's no good way to do it, but I don't know. It's, it feels like they're trying to be both like a very quick solution and also a series and you can't be both.

• 21:36Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Hank, you're up.

• 21:39Speaker 05

  Also, I mean, pretty, pretty similar to what you said, non-competitive. They brought crochet in. I was like, all right, this is, you know, this is the game right here. Strikes the first guy out. Spencer Jones, fastest man alive, somehow, somehow got on first base. And then they had like a, a, not bunt, bunt, basically like broken bat dribbler to third base, got on there, scored. So they had, they, they scored and then, and then they just opened it up. But they scored in the sixth inning off of basically no hits. And that's, that was the momentum and, and then they just completely blew the doors off them.

• 22:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. You.

• 22:17Speaker 05

  Red Sox had one good month, basically.

• 22:19Speaker 00

  A really good month.

• 22:20Speaker 05

  Yeah. One great month. One of the greatest months of all time.

• 22:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Flawed team. That's like the.

• 22:27Speaker 05

  And Roman Anthony, like he was, he was injured. He, he was out game two and he's probably gonna be out for the rest of the playoffs. Like they weren't gonna make a run if he's not.

• 22:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Future bright at least.

• 22:37Speaker 05

  Eh.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  All right.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  It was similar, like the Cubs and Red Sox went out similar ways in that the, the game, you, you had at least a couple of innings. I had no innings.

• 22:48Speaker 05

  We went down early in both games. Then like we kind, yeah, we were in, we were in.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  It was like a two, one game in the fifth.

• 22:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  You hung around last night for a little bit.

• 22:55Speaker 00

  The Cubs, the Cubs.

• 22:56Speaker 05

  Yeah. It was a sixth inning and then it was just.

• 22:58Speaker 00

  The Cubs were tied for one inning. It was the top of, it was the first inning last night.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:02Speaker 00

  They, they, they were, they were trailing in every other inning. So 17 out of 18.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  I do think that San Diego has the best environment.

• 23:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. It was electric. I hope they beat the Brewers. I do. I hope they, they're hot and I hope they beat the Brewers. Uh, okay. Max finishes off. You, you lost two hours ago, an hour ago. You actually got to a game three.

• 23:23Speaker 06

  Yeah. We didn't even talk about yesterday's game on this program.

• 23:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. Which sucks because that was actually a very fun game.

• 23:30Speaker 06

  One of the greatest baseball games I've ever watched. It was so exciting. It was back and forth. Uh, Bryce Harper makes one of the worst plays of all time, then comes back and ties it up with a homer and shows absolute guts, nails, balls, whatever you want to call it. They get, they get to extras and Alec Bohm, who has been crucified by the city of Philadelphia for his entire tenure there, does the unthinkable and hits an extra innings homer. And then today they just, they just, they just didn't show up. Um, it's really sad. Aaron Nola is a guy who had a couple, he had a couple of good years with

• 24:09Speaker 06

  the Phillies, but he's now getting paid $25 million until the 2031 season. And he is so far past his prime that he had a couple of good months this year, but I don't think he's gonna, e- even gonna be a major league pitcher in two years. We have Trey Turner who's getting paid $28 million until the year of 2034, who has a career, in the three seasons that he's been with the Phillies, he has a sub 150 batting average and he's your starting shortstop and leadoff hitter. Three postseason is enough of a sample size that you are just not a big time player in Philadelphia and you are gonna get paid $28

• 24:49Speaker 06

  million until the, until the year 2034. The, the look on the Philadelphia Phillies is so, the future is so bleak right now that I, there's nothing, there's no way to fix it. You have one of the highest payrolls that you could possibly have and some of the guys you can't even trade that it's gonna come down to. There's gonna be a real, there's gonna be real discussion in the next year of do you unload Kyle Schwaber? Do you unload Bryce Harper? Because you have this team that is getting so old and so bad and they can't, and they, and they have the 26 best, best, best farm system in the league. Like

• 25:30Speaker 06

  it's so sad. It's so, so sad to look at the future of the Phillies. It's been a fun couple of years, but like they needed this run. They needed this run and to go out like this, so sad and depleted and no fight tonight at all. The, the, it's, they're truly done. That like you guys, you guys have younger cores. You guys have something to look forward to. The Phillies are dead. The Phillies are dead. Like they're never gonna get back to what they were with this core and they gotta blow it up. And it's super sad because we're gonna go into a really low point in the Philadelphia Phillies organization and it just has to be done. And it's super, super sad.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  What do you think about the, uh, the starting pitching decision tonight?

• 26:13Speaker 06

  I wish we went with Wheeler, obviously. Um, but it doesn't matter because the bats didn't show up.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:20Speaker 06

  Like it was a three run deficit.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:22Speaker 06

  Yeah. It was a three run deficit and other than Schwaber, Schwaber was fucking awesome. He's always fucking awesome. Harper had two good at bats, two horrendous at bats. I get, you gotta run, you gotta run to first on a drop third strike. I don't think that really affected, would have affected the game.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  The game was over.

• 26:39Speaker 06

  The game was over at that point. I get it. He was frustrated.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  It's just more like.

• 26:42Speaker 06

  You gotta run it out, especially yesterday. You go in the post-game conference and everyone asks, what were you thinking going and going into that last at bat? After you made that error and his response was, I was just thinking about my son and making it and, and being a good example. How about being a good example of when you're down and when you're down in the count, you strike out, you run to fucking first base. How about being example for your kid there too?

• 27:06Speaker 02

  Youngsters.

• 27:06Speaker 06

  And not just when you do something well.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 27:09Speaker 06

  So that's fucking frustrating.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  All the youngsters listening to part of my take, you always run that out to first base.

• 27:14Speaker 00

  You have to respect 90.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 27:15Speaker 06

  I mean, it's not even respect 90. It's like that pitch was such a terrible pitch to swing at. It was impossible to catch. So as a hitter, you know, when there's something like that, when, when you swing at a pitch like that, it's like, oh, holy, holy shit. At least I can get the first. But whatever. I don't really think that affects the, the outcome of the game.

• 27:35Speaker 06

  I'm more, I am, I'm more just sad because I like it's the Phillies are the complete opposite organizations from like the Red Sox and the Cubs that like you guys have young guys and young talent that are only gonna get better. And the Phillies are done, like they're so far past their prime.

• 27:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, no, I see what you're saying. I mean, the Cubs are in a situation where PCA like, he hit a lot of the flaws of this team for being like, having such an exceptional year that it's like, you have to figure those things out, but you're right, like.

• 28:05Speaker 06

  And you have a smaller payroll. Like I know, like I know that.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  That's a problem.

• 28:09Speaker 06

  I get that that's a problem, but that is something that you can fit, like you can spend more money. Like the Phillies can't spend and they're already spending all of the money and they already have these huge, it's really, it's really Nola and Nola and Trey Turner are the real problems because everyone else has pretty good contracts, like Schwaber, you're getting what you're paying for Harper, you're getting what you're paying for. And then the pitching staff, Wheeler, Lizardo and Sanchez, you're actually getting steals on. But with it, when you have the 26th, the 26th, I can't say fucking 26. When you have that farm system and you have that amount of money already tied up, there's no way to improve.

• 28:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:52Speaker 06

  So you gotta get like, you gotta get some value from these guys before Schwaber gets too old and that like, they're fucked. They're just so fucked. They're so, so, so, so fucked. And that's, and it's frustrating to, spot to be in. I will say this, we were debating it. Losing like that, way better than losing the game one, way better as a fan.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Cause you got to, you got to experience game two.

• 29:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:15Speaker 06

  No, no, no, I'm saying, I'm not even talking about game two, game one, like game, tonight, I knew I was dead. I knew I was dead and it was like, it was so much easier to process and so much less. Game one was absolutely heartbreaking and, and like this is more sad for the future. Game one was like, holy fuck, an emotional roller coaster that ended in like absolute disaster.

• 29:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, but game, tonight's game was what I went through two, two games.

• 29:44Speaker 06

  No, I would, yeah, but I would prefer that than game one.

• 29:47Speaker 00

  But I never even got to cheer.

• 29:49Speaker 06

  I get that.

• 29:49Speaker 00

  I never got to cheer in October. I never had a moment where I was, we were in the gambling cave, clapping our faces off because we went one, two, three in the bottom of the first.

• 29:58Speaker 06

  I'm more so, I'm thinking about how I feel right now compared to the Orion Kirkering last year.

• 30:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:04Speaker 06

  And I feel, I'm sad now, but last, like that, like actually ruined my week. Like I, I think.

• 30:11Speaker 05

  And also where you're, to your point, if game one had happened, if game three and game one were reversed, your week would be ruined as well.

• 30:17Speaker 00

  Oh, you'd be in a way worse spot right now.

• 30:19Speaker 06

  I would be like, tonight I was, I was upset. I was sad.

• 30:23Speaker 00

  But you had a time to process.

• 30:25Speaker 06

  But yes, like right now it is all just processing all of the loss and, and the future and everything. Like I, when you lose like, like that in such heartbreaking fashion, like the anger, it's the, there's not as much anger to, right now.

• 30:40Speaker 00

  It's more, yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 06

  It's more sadness and it's not.

• 30:44Speaker 00

  Playoff baseball is the fucking, it's the best and the worst. It really is.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Zach, you were watching these games with Max as like a calming presence, viewing buddy.

• 30:53Speaker 06

  Great job. He did a great job.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Really good job. Can you walk us through first the game yesterday, the win? And the ups and downs in that game? And then tell us about what happened today.

• 31:03Speaker 03

  So the game yesterday, the game yesterday was hard not to buy in just cause it was, it was so, it was really honestly kind of electric and like viewing it from the corner there, I can't help but feed off of Max's energy. So then he catches a little spark. He just gotta, we ride that cause he's, he's good at getting.

• 31:19Speaker 06

  It was so fun.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  I gas and up. It was a great time.

• 31:21Speaker 06

  It was so much fun.

• 31:22Speaker 03

  I had no dog in the fight, but then I, I still found myself even at that point, like, oh wow, this is, this is actually a great time. Like what if I just do it? Uh, so yesterday was like an all time, uh, it was pretty fun to watch. Uh, today, not as much fun.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:35Speaker 03

  Today it was like a slow suck, you know, because there was like a little glimpses like, oh, if they, we got.

• 31:40Speaker 00

  Max, Max going from the worst room in America, the gambling cave to here was instant, two, two men on no outs and we're like, holy shit, he's doing it.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's so fast.

• 31:51Speaker 00

  We're like, oh my God, this is actually working.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  I think it was like before they could even get everything set up. It was like, oh, we're in a way better spot than we were 40 steps ago coming from the gambling cave.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, Hank, I got a question for you.

• 32:02Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  Did you think about wearing your troll sweater tonight?

• 32:05Speaker 05

  No.

• 32:06Speaker 06

  Wow, you forgot.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  You forgot the troll sweater. Yeah.

• 32:09Speaker 05

  No, we had, we had the, uh,

• 32:12Speaker 00

  Damn it, Hank.

• 32:12Speaker 05

  We had the cave bet.

• 32:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, with the Phillies.

• 32:16Speaker 05

  The Phillies.

• 32:16Speaker 06

  That, when, if you thought about it, if you thought about it ahead of time.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  That would have been all time. The Hank troll sweater, he wore.

• 32:23Speaker 05

  Also that was coincidental.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  When Max lost the World Series and then like two years ago, you wore it when they got eliminated in the NLCS.

• 32:31Speaker 05

  I wore it last, I wore it last two years.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  The last two times the Phillies have been eliminated.

• 32:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, but by coincidence.

• 32:38Speaker 05

  Total coincidence. But yeah, I, it, it,

• 32:44Speaker 05

  we had the Phillies in the cave bet and we were all, we all bet it. So I didn't, I didn't, I would, as much as I would have loved to have rooted against the Phillies, I was kind of stuck.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you could have put it on before that we started taping.

• 32:57Speaker 05

  I guess.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  It would have been nice.

• 32:58Speaker 05

  But then that, that would imply that I wanted that to happen, but I.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  That's true. And also.

• 33:04Speaker 05

  I would have, I would have loved for the Phillies to have won and then.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  It's harder for you to do that on, on a, a show where you also got eliminated from the playoffs.

• 33:10Speaker 05

  Right.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 33:12Speaker 00

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• 34:39Speaker 00

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• 35:13Speaker 02

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• 35:31Speaker 00

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• 35:35Speaker 02

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  Worked. Yes. Uh, Reese's, the official candy partner of Barstool Sports. Go get Reese's wherever you shop. Go get a Reese's today. We love Reese's. Thank you to Reese's. Okay, boys. Week four in the NFL, we're almost done with the first quarter of the season.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  So we're starting to learn more about these teams.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  It's so hard to figure out when the first quarter of the season's over now though. Yeah. Hank's doing the, he's counting on his fingers.

• 36:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  I, I'm with you Hank. 16 games. It was real easy. It was divided up into quarters, four games. Now you start to have to like work the bye week in there too. And it doesn't make any sense, but yeah, we're pretty much, we're starting to find out who's good and who's not.

• 36:13Speaker 00

  Yes, yes. We're trying to, we're trying to figure this out. We got a, a lot of, actually an incredible slate in terms of the games that are out there. Like there's multiple games I was looking at that could easily make the case for being the Sunday night football game. And instead they're like, you know what? Let's make it the Panthers, which I love. You know what? Panthers deserve it. They haven't played Sunday night football. We'll get to it in, I think since 2017 against the, the Seahawks. That was a famous game where I'm pretty sure Ron Rivera benched, uh, he benched Cam Newton for wearing, not wearing a suit or something. And remember.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I mean.

• 36:47Speaker 05

  First play of the game.

• 36:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, threw a pick. Yeah, yeah. Pick six.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  Was that, was that Matt, was that Matt Moore that put the pick or was that?

• 36:53Speaker 05

  It was, I think it was Matt.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  All time, all time. Like what, what do you think you're doing, Ron Rivera? You're not running a fucking college team.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  He learned his lesson.

• 37:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. Who was it that threw the pick six? No, it was, uh,

• 37:05Speaker 02

  I remember it bounced off.

• 37:06Speaker 00

  Not Matt Moore. It was fuck.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  Bounced off Tolbert's hands.

• 37:09Speaker 00

  I really, yeah, it did. It wasn't fully on his fault. Hold on, don't say it.

• 37:13Speaker 05

  I got it.

• 37:14Speaker 00

  Was it Derek Anderson?

• 37:15Speaker 05

  It was.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Okay. Yeah.

• 37:16Speaker 00

  Yes. Oh, what a moment. Okay. So there's a lot.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  I'd like to apologize for Matt Moore.

• 37:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  If he's listening, which he might be like, my bad.

• 37:24Speaker 05

  Matt Moore might've thought it was him.

• 37:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, Matt Moore, the, yeah, I mean, Matt Moore is the guy that got concussed in Pittsburgh. That we, sorry for a moment there. We tried to overshadow your concussion in Pittsburgh, Matt Moore. You should have done that. My point is there are a lot of great games on this slate. There's a, some big time desperate teams. There's some big time, like, oh, this could measuring stick games.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Some revenge games too.

• 37:46Speaker 00

  Revenge games.

• 37:47Speaker 02

  Two big revenge games. Like we joke about revenge games a lot because you can find a revenge game angle in just about anything. There's two games this weekend that I do think the revenge factor will impact the game.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  I agree. And, uh, it all starts in London with the Colts minus three and a half at the, uh, at the commanders, uh, over, under 47 and a half. Can I give you a fun fact about this game that made me so, so happy?

• 38:13Speaker 00

  This is the first time in a London game or, uh, overseas game where there's a chance that they're going to sell less than 60,000 tickets, which Hank, your little experiment's not working. They slashed the prices from 105 pounds or they slashed them to 79 pounds, which is a hundred and $5 American USD.

• 38:39Speaker 00

  They're not going to sell out.

• 38:41Speaker 05

  That's the economy though. That's, I mean, you can't really, you can't really equate that to the games.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  Other games that are being played overseas that are going to sell out.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. This is the moment, PFT, we've been waiting for. This is the moment where the, England has had too much football. And guess what? I'm happy with that. We'll take it back. You don't need it anymore.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, they brexited their way out of the NFL. Congratulations. Obviously, a lot of that, I think, has to do with the two teams that are playing.

• 39:06Speaker 00

  Nope.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Neither one has, neither one has looked very good. Uh, maybe there's just a lot of Alec Pearce fans over in England.

• 39:12Speaker 00

  You just.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  They, they sold all their, they're like, sorry, I'm out.

• 39:16Speaker 00

  Hold on. This game is between the team that just beat the Super Bowl, the reigning Super Bowl champs.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  So in theory, we are kind of the Super Bowl champions.

• 39:23Speaker 00

  Yep. And the team that just beat the, uh, nerds favorite Super Bowl champ prediction.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  And also took the other Super Bowl favorite Chiefs to overtime. So tied.

• 39:37Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  So this could be a Super Bowl preview, is what you're saying.

• 39:39Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 39:40Speaker 02

  I'm, you know what? I'm going to call it, this is a Super Bowl preview. Commanders and Colts. Uh, the real reason why people probably aren't buying tickets is because both teams kind of stink and they don't know if Jayden Daniels is going to play. And let me.

• 39:51Speaker 00

  Is he?

• 39:52Speaker 02

  I don't want to, here's what I've been thinking.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  If Jayden Daniels plays.

• 39:58Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  If his elbow pops out again.

• 40:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  They should bury Dan Quinn inside London Tower. This is not, this is not, looking back on it, this isn't hindsight being 20, this is pre-sight. He should not be playing in this game, not just because of the elbow, which will pop out because he's obviously saying he wants to keep playing, as he should. He's a, he's a football player. He wants to keep going out there for his team.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  The elbow might pop out for a fourth time. It's definitely not stable. He's going to be wearing the brace, but it still might pop out. Actually, a pretty good chance that it would if he fell on it. Not just that, but anytime that you have an injury that hurts a whole hell of a lot and you're wearing a brace, you're thinking about that injury. You're going to be moving differently than you would if you were fully healthy. Something else could get hurt on him because he's playing when he's not fully healthy, in which case Dan Quinn should be, they should put him inside the Iron Maiden, inside London Tower. They should close the door slowly on him and then they should bomb the place as they, as they flee the runway and fly back to the United States. This is, it's absurd that we're even thinking about having Jayden play.

• 41:05Speaker 00

  Why is it Dan Quinn's fault if Jayden won't get surgery?

• 41:08Speaker 02

  So I mean, he's talking to the doctors, he's talking to, uh, the general manager as well, but they're saying surgery, maybe he'll get it this offseason.

• 41:17Speaker 00

  But that's a, that is a Jayden Daniels gets to make that decision.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  Of whether or not he wants to play, but the fact is like.

• 41:24Speaker 00

  Right.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  I know he wants.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  Pushing for it. I, I get it. Dan Quinn can easily say, hey, no, we're not. But if, if, if, if he's not.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  Wants to play.

• 41:31Speaker 00

  If he's healthy and obviously he'd get re-injured, but if he's healthy and he's asking to play, I don't know if that's fully Dan Quinn's fault.

• 41:39Speaker 02

  It's not, so of course the players are going to want to play.

• 41:42Speaker 00

  Right, but if.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  Every time, like Baker, like when Baker was in Cleveland.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  What changes if he doesn't play for the next two weeks? Does he get healthier? I don't understand. If he could play, if he's ready to play.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  He's not healthy.

• 41:51Speaker 00

  He wants to play and he, and, and nothing is going to change until he gets surgery regardless. I don't really understand, like.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  He's, but he's, the, the premise of that is him being, he's not healthy.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  But he's not going to get healthy until he has surgery. He's going to have always, the, the, the risk of, of him.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  Hurting his elbow is going to continue to happen until he gets surgery.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:13Speaker 00

  So if he refuses to get surgery, what alternative Dan Quinn had to say, we're just going to sit you?

• 42:18Speaker 02

  I think he has to have the surgery.

• 42:20Speaker 00

  But that's a Jayden Daniels, like he, Jayden Daniels is the one that has to decide that, right?

• 42:24Speaker 02

  I don't know what conversations are going, but this is exactly what happened with Baker in Cleveland, where, where he rushed back. He was like, I'm not going to get the surgery because I want to play. And then the, the quality of his play diminished greatly and he kept banging up other things. Like if, if.

• 42:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, that to me is like an Adam Peters thing, right? Like the GM has to say, hey, go get surgery. We're not going to play you.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Probably. I think that they all realize that, like Marcus Mariota, great backup, Dan Quinn would probably be fired at the end of the season. Uh, if, if Marcus Mariota can't get them to like nine wins or eight wins. I, I think he sees writing on the wall. Um, not that he would like, I don't think he is willingly putting Jayden in danger for his own job, but Jayden wants to play. Adam Peters, Dan Quinn, they're very heavily invested in the success of this team, obviously. I don't think they're going to tell him not to play, but as a fan, maybe this is, this is what I dealt with with RG3.

• 43:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  He was injured. He had a sprained MCL and he rushed back from it, put a brace on, said, I'm good to go. First came back, ACL popped. He was never the same. Now that's different because it's a knee. I, I understand that, but anytime you're injured, if you've got an elbow that you're afraid is going to pop out of the side. We saw that tackle that happened and it wasn't even a tackle. He got stepped on by his old lineman, put his arm down to like kind of brace a fall. Didn't even fall on it that hard and it popped out backwards again. That's the kind of thing, it's going to keep happening. He's going to keep getting hurt. He came back after four weeks last year.

• 43:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just, I.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  And the second he hit the ground against the Vikings, it popped out again.

• 43:54Speaker 00

  I, I'm just saying, I don't know what you could do if he, if Jayden Daniels refuses to get the surgery until after the season, like what?

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:01Speaker 00

  Like not play, like he, he's just like, yeah, I'm going to probably do it again, but I'll just keep playing and I'll just keep getting hurt and I'll keep doing it.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Well, that, I don't think anybody wants that. I don't think that the coaching staff would want that.

• 44:11Speaker 00

  No, yeah, no one wants it, but Jayden Daniels is taking that risk. I don't know. That's a, that's a hard. I don't know.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Sometimes you've got to protect players against themselves.

• 44:18Speaker 00

  For sure.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  Cause he's going to want to keep playing and the team wants him to keep playing. So.

• 44:23Speaker 00

  But if he does it again, it's just like another one week injury, right?

• 44:27Speaker 02

  So we're going to have his elbow bent backwards every time he plays a football game?

• 44:31Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  No, I'm saying like, we need to, this is me saying that if it happens, you know what's going to happen. If he gets hurt in this game by rushing back. Everybody in the world is going to be like, what the fuck was Dan Quinn doing playing him? I'm just saying that ahead of time because it's ridiculous that we're having this conversation.

• 44:50Speaker 00

  My, my, yeah, and we would be talking too much about his elbow. I, the only thing I don't understand, and this is maybe a doctor question, not a, a, a question here. It's like, it. I don't understand the rushing back part because it feels like if he's not going to get surgery, everything would be rushing back. If he plays in four weeks, that's rushing back. If he plays tomorrow, that's rushing back because nothing's going to be fixed till surgery. You know what I mean?

• 45:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:11Speaker 00

  So that's why it's like, I don't really, I wouldn't say it's like, oh, he rushed back.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:16Speaker 00

  If he's going to play again this season, he's rushed back.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  I guess, I, yes, I agree with that. And I guess my final word on that is going to be, if it's dislocated three times, I would say that the possibility of it dislocating again is very high.

• 45:26Speaker 00

  I'd agree.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  As not, as somebody who has not reviewed any of Jayden Daniels' elbow MRIs, um, and I'm not a doctor, but that to me seems like a very high likelihood of re-injury. If he doesn't injure something else. So I, I'm just saying that ahead of time.

• 45:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  This is, it doesn't seem like a good idea. Now, as for the team that's going to play, we are extremely banged up still. Um, everybody got hurt. Uh, over the course of the last two weeks. Great game. The defense was very opportunistic against the Seahawks. Offense looked okay. Terry looked pretty good. Uh, ground game looked not great, but they did take away like a 50 yard touchdown because. Uh, uh, one of our wide receivers was lined up incorrectly on the opposite side of the field. Um, so that could turn around. I think we should beat the Colts because if we do, then we got a little run where it's Colts and then, um, the Giants. So if we get the Colts and the Giants and we got three wins and then after this, the Colts have the 49ers.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  Or sorry, Washington, we get the Colts and the Giants and then we'd have the 49ers, Eagles and Rams. So there's a good chance that we win this, we get to three and two. And then, uh, we'll see where that season goes from there.

• 46:34Speaker 00

  Uh, for this game, because I know we always talk about unders in the England games. Here's a stat for the over. Since 2013, we've seen 13 international series games where at least one team started a backup quarterback. The over is 10 and three in those games. Going over the total by 3.6 points per game. Uh, Hank, are you thinking about commanders as a dog?

• 46:55Speaker 05

  Hmm, yeah.

• 46:57Speaker 00

  Okay. You like Mariota? I mean, I think Mariota is, yeah.

• 47:01Speaker 05

  He played great last week.

• 47:02Speaker 00

  One of the best backups.

• 47:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's really good.

• 47:04Speaker 00

  Daniel Jones, I, this was.

• 47:05Speaker 05

  His teammates love him.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  They do.

• 47:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 05

  They fight for him.

• 47:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. And the, the Colts, I mean, they, they have played better in the last two weeks. They had a really bad, like there's a chance if the Colts win this game, we look back, we're like, hey, we kind of overreacted to them getting smushed by the Ravens week one. Because week two, they played very tough and then, you know, beat a Tex, a desperate Texans team. Daniel Jones coming, rounding back into shape, like it could, it could happen.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Daniel Jones has played very well against the commanders as well, over the course of his career.

• 47:34Speaker 00

  Oh, that's true.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, he, he is kind of a, a commie killer.

• 47:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Next game. That's a, that's an early game. You're going to watch every second, right?

• 47:43Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Hank, what?

• 47:47Speaker 00

  Huh?

• 47:47Speaker 05

  I'll watch probably second half. I'm going to be driving.

• 47:50Speaker 00

  This is your favorite.

• 47:52Speaker 05

  It's too early.

• 47:53Speaker 00

  It's the London, aw, you son of a bitch.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  It is early.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  You son of a bitch.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  You're right about that, but you know what? You're going to be, you're going to be on the eastern time zone, right? So it's not that.

• 48:05Speaker 05

  Coming, yeah, east to west.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it's going to be nine. It's going to be 9:30.

• 48:08Speaker 05

  But I'll be commuting during it. I'll be listening.

• 48:11Speaker 00

  Okay. Oh, you'll listen on the radio?

• 48:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:13Speaker 00

  Okay. I'll take that. Uh, we'll stick with you, Hank. Patriots at the Bills. Patriots are the desperate team right now. Let me get the updated line. I think it was six and a half.

• 48:25Speaker 05

  It's seven.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  Seven, it's seven now. Patriots are six and a half, oh yeah, it's six and a half plus 100. So yeah, over under is 48 and a half. Henry Lockwood. Is this a must win game?

• 48:37Speaker 05

  It's a must compete. It's a must cover.

• 48:40Speaker 00

  Must cover.

• 48:40Speaker 05

  It's a must cover.

• 48:41Speaker 00

  I agree.

• 48:43Speaker 05

  I think, I think asking, expecting any, any, you know, thinking they're going to win this game is a little bit crazy. It's the Bills. They look unstoppable in Buffalo. They got to compete. They got to cover. They got to be in this game with a chance to win, you know, in the fourth quarter. They cannot get blown out. They got to have a positive, you know, turnover ratio.

• 49:09Speaker 05

  And the defense, I mean, I'm excited to see how the defense does against Josh Allen. Defense has looked good. The Bills are obviously like a juggernaut. So it's like, that will be an exciting test for the defense. If the defense can, can continue to look good, make, make, make Josh, you know, make some turnovers. We could win this game. I don't know. Drake might have the yips. There, there's some, there's some, there's some slander clips circulating online.

• 49:31Speaker 00

  What's going on?

• 49:32Speaker 05

  Just him fumbling balls at practice, him not looking good in practice.

• 49:35Speaker 00

  Was that this week, you mean?

• 49:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:37Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  So it's like somebody has it out for him. Do you think somebody's bleeding on the balls before they?

• 49:43Speaker 05

  I don't, maybe, yeah. Maybe our center, yeah, is going through something.

• 49:46Speaker 00

  The, the insult stats are getting.

• 49:49Speaker 05

  It's two, it's three weeks in.

• 49:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I saw one insult stat. Case Keenum, I'm gonna list quarterbacks that have more pass touchdowns than.

• 49:57Speaker 05

  We did this, we did this.

• 49:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, but then, but did you, did you have the Drake May has more, he has more interceptions? Do we, do we update it with Case Keenum?

• 50:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:05Speaker 00

  Okay, we updated with Case Keenum. So yeah, the insult stats are bad.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  There's some insult stats and there's some like reality stats.

• 50:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:12Speaker 05

  Here's the thing, we're, we're one and two. Somehow we can win this game, then we just have like.

• 50:16Speaker 00

  I would like your reality stat.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  After Hank's done.

• 50:18Speaker 05

  Three free throws coming up after.

• 50:20Speaker 00

  Oh, you have free throws?

• 50:22Speaker 05

  We can, we can.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  I don't know that you're free.

• 50:24Speaker 00

  Are you a free throw?

• 50:25Speaker 05

  We can end Locktober at, at four and two.

• 50:28Speaker 00

  Who are your free throws? Oh, the Bears are one of your free throws. Okay.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  Who are your free throws?

• 50:33Speaker 00

  Raiders, the three and O Raiders, the Jets and the Bears. And you think the Patriots are playing at a level right now that they, they're, they're free throws?

• 50:43Speaker 05

  If we can win this game, then yeah, that's where, that's where my head will be at.

• 50:45Speaker 00

  Got it. Got it.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Okay, I have a reality stat.

• 50:48Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  I love a reality.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Reality stat. Blind resume.

• 50:53Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  Quarterback A, 7,255 yards passing. Quarterback B, 7,326 yards.

• 51:01Speaker 05

  I know the stat.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Let me finish my reality.

• 51:03Speaker 00

  No, I want to hear his reality stat.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Uh, touchdowns. Quarterback A, 47 touchdowns. Quarterback B, 48 touchdowns. Interceptions. Quarterback A, 24 touchdowns, or sorry, 24 interceptions. Quarterback B, 20 interceptions. Record as a starting quarterback. Quarterback A, 18 and 15. Quarterback B, 23 and 10. Quarterback A is Drake May. Quarterback B, with the better stats across the board, Tua.

• 51:36Speaker 05

  Tua was great in the regular season to start his career.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  It's a compliment stat.

• 51:41Speaker 05

  But people, people were thinking it's, Tua was terrible in the playoffs, but he was really good to start his career in the regular season.

• 51:47Speaker 00

  Wait.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's a good stat for you to be compared to Tua.

• 51:52Speaker 00

  Isn't that Drake May?

• 51:53Speaker 06

  He's also been good in the regular season and bad in the playoffs.

• 51:56Speaker 05

  Drake May went to the Super Bowl.

• 51:58Speaker 00

  But he was right.

• 51:59Speaker 05

  He won the games. That, that, that's a bullshit stat.

• 52:03Speaker 06

  But he was bad.

• 52:04Speaker 05

  He wasn't bad. He, he led, Max, you're talking about Jalen, you're Jalen Hurts, your quarterback.

• 52:08Speaker 06

  Good in the playoffs.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  He won, he did outplay Patrick Holmes in two Super Bowls.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Twice, yeah, two times.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  Two times.

• 52:14Speaker 06

  So no, it's not.

• 52:14Speaker 05

  But Drake May, whatever. I'm not, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, I'm not worried about playoff stats other than wins. And, and Drake May, first time in the playoffs, took his team to the Super Bowl.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  Well, you do realize, Tua.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  I'm not worried about playoff stats besides wins.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  Okay. It's a stat.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  Correct. The playoff stat that I'm worried about is wins.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  That helps you.

• 52:39Speaker 05

  But it's like, that's what we're all here for. We're not here for like, is this, is this, are we worried about stats? Are we worried about winning games and winning a Super Bowl?

• 52:45Speaker 00

  We want to win games.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  I'm a winner.

• 52:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, we want to win games.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  I'm laser focused on winning.

• 52:49Speaker 00

  Have there been stories about a potential rift between Vrabel and Drake May?

• 52:53Speaker 05

  Uh, I don't know. I, I, I don't pay too much mind to that.

• 52:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:58Speaker 02

  There's an unnamed source. They keep referring to this person, it could be anybody, as an unnamed source, that says that there might be some issues going on between head coach and, and quarterback. A lot of people are pointing to the fact that there was an unnamed source last couple of years in Philadelphia. And now there's an unnamed source in New England.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 53:21Speaker 05

  Do you have any, have you asked this unnamed source?

• 53:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 53:24Speaker 05

  Do you got any info for us?

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Unnamed source. I did see a Photoshop edit where it was the same guy that was the unnamed source in Philadelphia now wearing a Patriots uniform. It was a good Photoshop. Um, I think they put, just put source as his last name on the back.

• 53:39Speaker 00

  I will say unnamed source season happens when, whenever a team starts playing bad. It's like, oh yeah, we could just, we could just say that.

• 53:47Speaker 05

  I also think Vrabel's, Vrabel's a man's man, like his, he knows how to deal with players and like, there might be disagreements, whatever, but he's not a guy that's like holding in drama. Like, there's no drama. Like, they might, no, like, they might, whatever, like, they're losing. So it's like, yeah, they're probably like, neither of them are happy. I don't think that means there's a rift.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  I agree. If they're not happy with each other.

• 54:09Speaker 05

  It's not that serious.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Vrabel would probably yell at him, and then Drake May would yell at him back, and then they'd figure it out.

• 54:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like, you gotta play better. And then like, yeah, they could, but they're, they're, Vrabel's the type of guy, like, you can, you can yell at, get yelled at, and it's like, they're not gonna take it personally and like, hold it as like drama.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  He said that, um, the hard stretches are a big part of the job. That's, that's what Vrabel said. Uh, so he said, uh, in this particular case with Drake, God wanted David to be a king. He didn't hand him a crown. He gave him a fight.

• 54:38Speaker 06

  Are we really saying that Mike Vrabel's not drama? Is this a bit that we're doing right now?

• 54:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I, when I said he's.

• 54:42Speaker 06

  I know, but he didn't pick up on it.

• 54:46Speaker 05

  In terms of coaching the locker room? No.

• 54:49Speaker 06

  But that's not where drama happens. Drama hap, drama happen is off the field.

• 54:58Speaker 05

  In the off season. I'm not.

• 55:03Speaker 06

  You just kept saying he's not messy. And you're, and I was like, he's the messiest. He's the king of messy.

• 55:08Speaker 00

  No, he's, he's not messy.

• 55:10Speaker 06

  Lionel Messi right now.

• 55:12Speaker 00

  That was a good one, Max.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  I do think that, uh, when it comes to football, Hank might be kinda right, though. That he is, like, if there's a problem, Vrabel's gonna be like.

• 55:21Speaker 06

  You can't say that anymore.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  A football, if there's a football problem, it requires a football solution from a football guy.

• 55:28Speaker 00

  But this also is a situation, we knew this was gonna happen if they came out slow. We knew it.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:33Speaker 00

  And that, that's winning cures all. And you're not winning. So it's gonna happen.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  It does seem to me that this is a classic, we would call this a Mike Vrabel game, back in the Titans day.

• 55:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  Like, if they're going on the road, a team that looks like they're Super Bowl champions at this point, the Patriots couldn't look any worse. Two years ago, we would've said that's a Mike Vrabel game. And bet on Vrabel. Um, so I, I'm sure he'll have the Patriots ready, we, we said must compete?

• 55:59Speaker 05

  Must cover.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  Must cover. Must cover.

• 56:02Speaker 00

  Must cover.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  I've got some other, um, blind resumes, if you want more reality stats.

• 56:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  Okay, so Drake May.

• 56:10Speaker 00

  Did you opt in?

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Hank, you didn't say that you wanted the reality stats.

• 56:12Speaker 00

  We would like to get your consent.

• 56:13Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  Okay. Drake May in weeks one, two, three, one touchdown.

• 56:17Speaker 00

  We gotta turn off the golf while he's doing.

• 56:18Speaker 05

  I'm watching, yeah.

• 56:19Speaker 00

  You're, you're watching golf while he's trying to give you stats.

• 56:22Speaker 05

  This is the fifth major. It's the Utah Bank Open, whatever the fuck.

• 56:26Speaker 02

  I'm not trying to give you stats. I'm trying to give you reality.

• 56:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's giving you reality.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  Part of this equation, that you're not listening.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  It's like a Scared Straight episode.

• 56:32Speaker 02

  Yes. So if you look at his stats this year, Drake May's stats, 500 E, five yards, one touchdown, I'm right here, Hank, my eyes over here, not at the golf. Um, one touchdown, six interceptions. If you look at those stats compared to, um, some other blind resume stats over the years. So here's one quarterback, the first, um, couple of weeks, this individual was 64, for 97, 786 yards, two touchdowns, five picks. That quarterback, Mac Jones, to start the season. Another quarterback.

• 57:05Speaker 00

  Second year, third year?

• 57:06Speaker 02

  I believe so.

• 57:07Speaker 05

  Pro Bowl.

• 57:07Speaker 02

  Uh, another quarterback in similar position, 583 yards, three touchdowns, six interceptions. That quarterback, Anthony Richardson, 2024.

• 57:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Your guy.

• 57:19Speaker 00

  Still, still book not written.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  Not yet. And then the, the last one, which I think lines up the most perfectly.

• 57:25Speaker 05

  If he was playing that, that stadium would be sold out, that's for sure.

• 57:27Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, for sure.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  628 yards passing, two touchdowns, seven interceptions to start the season. That was in 2021. That was Zach Wilson. So that's kinda where we stand right now. That's just reality.

• 57:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's week, it's week four.

• 57:44Speaker 00

  Reality.

• 57:44Speaker 05

  We're not even a quarter, quarter of the way through the year. And your quarterback can't even stay on the field.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Well, no, he wants to get on the field. Um, but thank you for not rooting for injuries. I appreciate that.

• 57:55Speaker 05

  I'm not rooting for injuries. I'd rather like, I'd like, we just talked for 45 minutes about like, is, can your quarterback physically make it onto the field? Versus like, at least with Drake May, we're talking about his play on the field.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  Physically, he wants to get on the field.

• 58:07Speaker 05

  Right, but it's, yeah, here we go.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  One thing that I wanna see from Drake, so Drake May, because you're right, people, the, the knives are out. They see like, oh, he's struggling right now. So they find every bad clip at practice. And they find every bad throw that he makes in a game. And they don't talk at all about any of the good throws that he has made during games. Because he has made good throws during games.

• 58:28Speaker 00

  Do we have?

• 58:28Speaker 05

  This year?

• 58:29Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, this year.

• 58:30Speaker 00

  We have tape to back this up?

• 58:31Speaker 02

  I did see some tape on it.

• 58:32Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. Let's watch the tape.

• 58:36Speaker 02

  Because he does need to kinda remind himself, like, that dude's still in there.

• 58:40Speaker 05

  I don't think he's had great throws.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  He's had, there were, there were multiple very good throws that he had this year.

• 58:48Speaker 00

  Uh, so it looks like.

• 58:49Speaker 02

  Okay, I don't know, I don't remember who, who did the video breakdown.

• 58:53Speaker 00

  Uh, yes, it's Glenn Tape Scout, and he, he DM'd Max saying, hey, thanks for using my vid last week. This breakdown might, wait, well, okay, Max, I was reading that. Hey, this breakdown might really be up your alley. It is as much about civil rights and prejudice as it is football. Ooh, interesting. All right, well, Max tries to pull it up. A couple Bills notes. Uh, Josh Allen does have a knee, two of them, but he's got, uh, uh, maybe a little knee. He also said afterwards, I associate football with a little pain. You have to be a little sick to love this game. I guess I'm a little sick. Love that. He also, uh, the Bills going into the season, a lot of talk about, hey, their, their offensive line shifted a little. They are leading the league in, uh, pass block win rate right now, 62%.

• 59:36Speaker 00

  And that feels significant because the Patriots do have a good defense. That is, that is a fact. The Patriots have a good defense. But the Bills are, uh, scoring 33.7 points per game and 400 yards per game. Their offense has been on fire.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Yes, they've been, they've been really, really good. Uh, it does seem like it's, it's a team at its peak against a team that's at its lowest point. And so I'm going to be betting on the Patriots this weekend.

• 59:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. This is from Glenn. Looks like Glenn's here.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  It was Glenn Tape Watch.

• 1:00:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  At NFL Tape Watch. Welcome back to another What If Wednesday. It's me, NFL Tape Scout Glenn, and shout out to the Glenns out there. Appreciate each and.

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  And without further ado, let's get into the teach tape this week. One word of warning, this is my page. If you use the R word about Drake May, I will block you from my page. I've seen too much of it. He is not R word. He is not regressed. I'm seeing more so PTSD from Drake. Post traumatic Super Bowl where he got his clock cleaned in the Super Bowl. And now he is kind of dealing with some shell shock and the Seahawks defense is great. You don't just beat them, not just anybody beats the Seahawks. It's natural that Drake may would have lingering effects from that loss. What I am seeing from Drake, though, is maybe a lack of belief in himself, and we need to address that. Let's take a look at some of the the throws that got buried in the tape. Drake has made some outstanding football plays.

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  Weeks one, weeks two, weeks three are the 2026 NFL league year. Look at that elbow discipline. Look at that slot leverage. What's this throw? And he's still running. He's his head on the goalpost. One thing that really sticks in my craw as a film analyst is when people put out facts like Jaden Daniels has as many turnovers in his entire career as Drake May has in three weeks. I saw that on a part of my take podcast. That's why I'm not much for PFTI. I'm a Max fan through and through, and it's also very unfair to point that out, given that Jaden Daniels has played much more difficult opponents than Drake.

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  Is that true?

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  Drake, I'm fine with these throws. I'm look at him just improvising out there. It's like jazz music. That is some good stuff, Drake. Keep this up. I think he needs to watch this. I think, I think he needs to see this. Because he needs to remember, you're special, man. You're special. If you, if you pay attention to the negativity, all the haters out there in the world saying, oh, he's throwing up the pastrami sandwich. Oh, that's a, that's a, a meatball hero that just got picked off right there. Don't listen to those. The only type of sandwich you should be worried about Drake is the Italian sub.

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  Tommy DeVito. He's right behind him. And all these throws? Those are Tommy DeVito throws. You want to talk about pocket presence? You want to talk about standing tall? You want to talk about making your way through the progressions? Deep outs, dig routes, nine concepts.

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  The concepts Tommy DeVito works with are concepts that your little head would explode if you even tried to understand them and the nature of such concepts. Act not to harp on the Colin Kaepernick thing, but if you don't start Tommy DeVito, you're racist. You're racist against Italians. Colin Kaepernick took a knee. Tommy DeVito stole our hearts.

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  I think it would do Drake a lot of good to see what a real quarterback looks like. So until next week, this is Glenn. Thanks for tuning in. Those refunds are coming.

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  Okay. What'd you think, Hank? So we were.

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  It's really about more than football.

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  That was a hell of a twist.

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  Yeah.

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  I was not expecting that.

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  Tommy DeVito the whole time, but

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  well, I saw Glenn did shout out Quigs.

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  Yeah.

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  So, so he was able to make every Tommy DeVito, you know, put Patriots.

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  My understanding is that

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  Wow.

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  Some either Glenn or or maybe his friend Quigs was able to just edit all the Tommy DeVito's best throws and make it look like Drake

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  Incredible.

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  Was making, but that was actually really Tommy throws.

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  What do you think, Hank?

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  Did it again, man.

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  That was a crazy twist.

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  What'd you say about Quigs?

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  He did it again. He hasn't done anything.

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  What do you mean? I, of course I haven't done anything, but Glenn, Glenn does all the editing outside the, the switching of uniforms. Yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  Does it make you think?

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  No.

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  The Italian sub.

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  Not even about Tommy DeVito? Not even a little bit?

• 1:05:05Speaker 07

  No, I mean, if Drake, Drake got hurt, then yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  Dislocated his elbow or something, but yeah.

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  Okay, that's good. Hank did knock over the picture of me.

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  That was, that was not intentional.

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  Looking up at, at Jaden Daniels like he's my stepdad.

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  Yeah, that was really, felt like a direct shot.

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  No, it was actually like just innocent, but poetic that he did that at that time.

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  Great job by Glenn.

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  Hey, Glenn did it again.

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  Hopefully we can have him on sometime, although I.

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  I don't think so.

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  He only follows Max, so he clearly doesn't like the rest of us.

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  My thought is that it might be Max.

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  Yeah.

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  Cause Max was talking a lot about watching film.

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  Did you see the shout out that Glenn gave to Max?

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  Yeah.

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  Oh, shit.

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  He loves Max.

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  He follows one person, it's Max.

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  That's weird. He's also working, I guess he's working on a rap country album. I saw a weird tweet from Glenn yesterday about that, about how like he, no one respects him, like even though he's super successful. I don't know. Glenn's going through it. So, um, I don't know what's the whole deal with that fraud thing was, but he makes good breakdowns.

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  Oh, man. All right. You're gonna take, you're gonna take Patriots money line?

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  Plus seven.

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  Okay. Uh, all right. Well, we'll, we'll, we'll speed it up through some of these next games. Uh, Jets, three and a half at Bears. Hate week memes. It's on. I told you, I walked up to memes, uh, this morning. I said, now that the Cubs are eliminated, all eyes on hate week. And then I crumpled up his, uh, uh, trash from, from his breakfast. I said, do you want me to throw this out for you? And then I did. Hate week.

• 1:06:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, hate week. It was a very, it was a very nice gesture.

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  How do you feel about this? I actually think the Jets are pretty live in this game. And I'm not saying that like as a, a ploy. I think there's a natural come down from Monday night football that the Bears are gonna have to get over. They're gonna have to fight through that. And I don't know if it's gonna be Tyson Bejarn or Case Keenum. I don't care. Whoever Ben Johnson decides, that's who we're going to war with.

• 1:06:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I feel, I feel good about this game. Don't feel great. Jets have a lot of guys banged up.

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  Yeah, you have, uh, who, uh, Breece Hall, Mason Taylor, Donnie, uh, Donnie Mitchell.

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  And our left guard.

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  Okay.

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  That was, that's what lost us the game. Left guard didn't pull. And then Gino just got absolutely smoked. But I, I like the Jets in this game. I, I think they're gonna win. I don't know how they're gonna win, but I do think they're gonna win.

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  Okay. Our defense has gotten a little bit better. Uh, I've played well in the second half, shutout in the second half against the Eagles. I, I think the Bears are gonna win, but I think it's gonna be tight. I don't think it's gonna be easy.

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  It's gonna be a close game.

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  I also do feel bad for, uh, I know that there's gonna be the narrative of like, if you don't start Case Keenum, what are you doing? Hot hand? I kind of feel bad for Tyson Bejarn if he doesn't get to play because he is Case Keenum's at the end of his career. Tyson Bejarn, if he had had the exact same stat line as Case Keenum on Monday night football, he'd be looking at like millions and millions of dollars.

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, the thing about Bejarn is he's got enough of a like solid backup resume where I think he does think of himself as potentially getting a starting job. So he's probably pissed off that he, that he's not definitely gonna play, right?

• 1:08:00Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, I mean, he's, he's definitely picked, he hasn't, he hasn't had like a enough, I mean, he's, he's done it in the preseason, but in terms of like actual like games, in games, uh,

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  Well, I guess.

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  He's played, he's played a little bit, but he, it's been a few years. He hasn't played for Ben Johnson.

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  Yeah. What I'm saying is that he, uh, some backup quarterbacks want to remain a backup with that team.

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  Oh, yeah, no, he's.

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  He wants the opportunity.

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  He's in his head. He's like a Matt Flynn.

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  Yeah.

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  Like some, like if he, if he balls out, he could definitely get paid.

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  Right.

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  Although we did sign him to a, a multi-year contract. Um, okay. It's also gonna be a nice day, which is good because the Bears, I'm, I'm toying with the idea that as long as it's nice out, the Bears can play, which won't be a problem at all, uh, with Chicago winter.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Memes, you still want to win games, correct?

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  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  Okay. Cause, cause you were talking about having three picks in the top 10 the other day. So I didn't know how far with that fantasy we wanted to get.

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  Three picks in the top 10 is cool.

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  Yeah.

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  But I do want to win.

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  Very much. Yeah.

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  Also.

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  We have a young group of guys. You want them, you don't want them to get accustomed to losing.

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  Yeah, like everybody says, next year's the year.

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  Yeah.

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  But like the players on the team don't know that.

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  Right.

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  Memes and I were joking that we're also, uh, we're football cousins because, uh, this is just Dan Campbell's coaching tree going up against each other. If Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson are brothers, Dan Campbell's our grandfather? Would that be it? Yeah.

• 1:09:22Speaker 04

  Or Papa?

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  Yeah, we're cousins.

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  Yeah.

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  He's a patriarch of the family. Yeah.

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  Yeah. Ben Johnson did the first thing that I've disagreed with. In his entire career with the Bears, uh, he called Jared Goff and to let him know that he was joking about the whole mobile quarterback thing. You didn't have to do that. Jared Goff's a guy's guy. He knew.

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  I think they understood. Yeah. Cause I mean, the, everybody was saying that. He doesn't have any history calling plays for a quarterback that wasn't taking first overall.

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  Yeah.

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  And then he, what was the joke exactly that he told about calling plays for a, uh, non-mobile quarterback?

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  I think it was just basically like a, just a wink, wink, nod, nod that Jared Goff isn't very mobile. And then he called him was like, yeah, I was joking. Jared's like, yeah, I know, dude.

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  Yeah.

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  So yeah, you didn't have to do that. That was the only thing. That was the first time you made a mistake. Um, okay. Let's go on to the next game Jaguars at Bengals. Bengals are, uh, two and a half point favorites and the over under is 51 and a half. By the way, I should have said this from the start. This is technically big cat week. It's the first time I think all four big cat teams are playing each other.

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  Okay.

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  And Jaguars on the same weekend, on the same Sunday Jaguars are playing Bengals Panthers are playing Lions.

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  Yeah.

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  So kind of fun. Uh.

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  I wonder if we've ever had a bird Sunday.

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  Probably.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it'd be wild.

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  I kind of like the Bengals in this game.

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  So I did too. Uh, Trevor Lawrence has not beaten the Bengals.

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  Mm-hmm.

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  I think he's oh, and three against them. One of those at least was to Jake Browning.

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  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  One was the, uh, Urban Meyer. I'm going to stay in Cincinnati and finger a butthole.

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  Butthole.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  After the game. And I guess you could say oh, and four, if you take into account also the, uh, uh, college football championship game.

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  Yes.

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  Of Clemson and LSU.

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  Yeah.

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  So it's been tough. It's been tough for, for Trevor to beat, uh, Joe Burrow at any point during his career, but.

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  I kind of like, I liked the Jaguars offense right now. I think I'm going to take the over, but I think Cincinnati. I'm going to end up betting them come game. I'm trying to talk myself into the, the Jaguars. Because I feel like it's a little disrespectful that they're, they're underdogs in this game.

• 1:11:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

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  But ultimately I think I, I don't know that I can bet on them to cover.

• 1:11:37Speaker 00

  You want a stupid stat that might just be noise, but, uh, cause you mentioned the over, I'll throw it out there. The Jaguars have not won a game with a pre-game total above 49 in 19 seasons.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  That's pretty insane.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  And it does feel like.

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  Really kind of a stat that hides like the Jaguars haven't been very good.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it does. It does feel like every week we're breaking another very sad, all time long Jaguars stat record.

• 1:12:01Speaker 00

  The Jaguars have been very good though. They've been, uh, quietly and not so quietly. They probably need more, uh, love. One of the best teams in the NFL, uh, in the last, you know, call it 12 regular season games. I know the playoffs didn't go their way last year, but, uh, in the last 11 Jaguars regular season games. Do you know that Trevor Lawrence has been pulled for a total of 74 minutes? That's how good the Jaguars have been. Seven of the 11 games he's been pulled in the fourth quarter because they've been up by so much.

• 1:12:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  So they're real, they're, they're playing really good ball. I think Liam Cohen is a phenomenal, phenomenal coach. And you can see it like how they're, they're just keep kind of rolling and humming along, but I'm going more off of the Bengals off a loss.

• 1:12:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  A loss that they should have won probably. Joe Burrow looked really good against the Steelers. That's why I'm, and the Bengals are at home. That's why I'm taking the Bengals.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. Did you, uh, did you see that the ball boy in the, uh, little standoff that he had in the game?

• 1:12:57Speaker 00

  Yes. Crazy.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  Jaguars game?

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  Crazy.

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  Yeah, kind of crazy, but also on the other hand, I respect the hell out of that ball boy.

• 1:13:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

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  Because he shows up for work every day.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  Well.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Training like he's like, he, like being a ball boy is law enforcement.

• 1:13:10Speaker 00

  I think he got fired.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  Oh. With some other teams.

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  He used to show up for work every day.

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  A team that cares about excellence.

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  Yes.

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  And attention to detail at every position across the organization should hire that guy.

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  Yeah.

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  Because he shows up like he is, like almost a, a branch of the military.

• 1:13:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, no.

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  Holding the footballs.

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  He, he.

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  Sir, stand back.

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  He and the Scotty Scheffler cop.

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  Yeah.

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  Should team up.

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  This guy's like.

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  We're just rule followers.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  This guy should be allowed to have a gun.

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  Yeah.

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  On the sidelines.

• 1:13:37Speaker 00

  Absolutely. At least a taser.

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  At least. Do you like the Jaguars, Hank? Anyone else have any thoughts on this game? Jaguars?

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  No?

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  Bengals.

• 1:13:46Speaker 00

  All right. Uh, Cardinals Giants, Giants plus two and a half over under 44 and a half. Jameis versus Jacoby.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  Why are the Cardinals, why are they favorites? They're road favorites.

• 1:13:59Speaker 00

  Okay. I'll try, I guess I'll try to make an argument.

• 1:14:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:14:04Speaker 00

  Giants looked absolutely terrible against the Titans. It was rain, but like the Titans could have conceivably won that game. The Cardinals actually looked live against the 49ers. They, they were able to move the ball. Brian Burns is now out with an ACL. Um, that's kind of all I got because I don't really understand it either.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  I don't get it at all. The, the Cardinals, don't get me wrong. Like they've, they've looked frisky, competitive, but like going to New York and being a road team. I don't understand why they would be favorites in this game.

• 1:14:34Speaker 06

  Giants haven't scored a touchdown since week one.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:14:36Speaker 00

  But Arizona's defense or offense hasn't been like incredible either. They were good against the Niners defense, which hasn't been very good, but like. I feel like Jacoby Brissette, he's, he's a, he's a first and last drive guy. That's, that's what I've been calling like, he, he's going to look great on the first drive when it's scripted.

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:54Speaker 00

  And as you look great on the last drive when it's garbage.

• 1:14:57Speaker 02

  The Cardinals defense is not good.

• 1:14:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't really understand this game at all.

• 1:15:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no way that they should be favorites in this game, which means they're probably going to win and I'm going to look dumb. But just going into it, I see, I see no reason for it unless this is just saying like they don't, they don't think that Jameis is going to. Be able to move the, move the ball, that the offense isn't going to be able to stay on the field. That's the only thing I could think of.

• 1:15:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, the, the Cardinals offense is 30th in the NFL through three games, just 25 plays over 10 yards and dead last just two over 20 yards. So not very explosive, uh, through three games, Arizona Cardinals are dead last in the NFL in sacks and QB pressures.

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:35Speaker 00

  Do you think Jameis is going to have time?

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Well, maybe they're saying like, Odell Beckham got released and he was worth seven points in our book. So.

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  Did you see where they got Braxton Berrios?

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  They got Berrios now.

• 1:15:44Speaker 00

  They got Brad and Alex Earl has never read a book, which is shocking.

• 1:15:47Speaker 02

  To me, how is that possible?

• 1:15:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I don't, I don't understand that either. I, how do you go to like high school?

• 1:15:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. How do you? Yeah, every day.

• 1:15:58Speaker 00

  No, but you read a book. You have to read a book eventually.

• 1:16:01Speaker 06

  There's some. I've read like two books in my life.

• 1:16:03Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:16:03Speaker 02

  There you go. But you've read two books.

• 1:16:06Speaker 00

  She did say Dr. Seuss. She's probably read some Dr. Seuss.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  So even there are some classes that they give you time to read during class.

• 1:16:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:14Speaker 06

  I think I've read, I think I've read three books.

• 1:16:16Speaker 00

  What is three books?

• 1:16:17Speaker 06

  The outsiders banger.

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:16:20Speaker 06

  Of mice and men. Easy one. That's like 90 pages.

• 1:16:23Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Are you Lenny?

• 1:16:24Speaker 06

  Of course. I used, when, when we were doing that in school, I, that was my nickname during that, during that time period.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  Tell me about, tell me about the Eagles, George.

• 1:16:33Speaker 06

  Yep. And then for some reason I read the girl on the train a couple of years ago and that was, oh, actually that's not true. I read like all the Mike Lupica books.

• 1:16:41Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, I like, I've, I've read all the Michael Lewis books because I know there's a good chance they're going to become movies. Then I could tell everyone the book was better.

• 1:16:49Speaker 06

  So no, yeah, I'm a book guy for sure.

• 1:16:50Speaker 00

  There we go.

• 1:16:51Speaker 06

  Now that I, now that I.

• 1:16:52Speaker 02

  Shocking that she hasn't read a, a single book though.

• 1:16:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  I, I would like to send her a copy of part of my book.

• 1:16:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  What if we, yeah, let's do that. Snap the streak.

• 1:16:59Speaker 06

  And sign it.

• 1:17:00Speaker 00

  And whoops, Zach's phone number was signed at the beginning of the book.

• 1:17:04Speaker 02

  And that's on autographs.

• 1:17:05Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:06Speaker 00

  She might be dating Fernando Mendoza, by the way.

• 1:17:08Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:17:09Speaker 00

  That's a rumor. Yeah.

• 1:17:10Speaker 02

  The fans are saying, stay away on Twitter.

• 1:17:13Speaker 00

  To Alex Earl?

• 1:17:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:17:15Speaker 06

  No, to Fernando Mendoza.

• 1:17:17Speaker 00

  That would be funny if Alex Earl, if Alex Earl fits like, he's a backup. What are you doing?

• 1:17:21Speaker 02

  This guy's, this guy's bad news, Alex. Uh, yeah. So the Giants, I, I kind of like the Giants to win this game. Um, Jameis, I think. He's got to feel some pressure for having JJ there. It's just a matter of time before they put him in. And the answer to our question is he is wearing number 18.

• 1:17:37Speaker 00

  18.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  Which is nine, 2.0, which I feel like is, is kind of a rebrand, rebirth. I, I think Dara was pointing up into the right.

• 1:17:44Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Uh, and, uh, Jameis Winston talking about J.J. McCarthy. It, it's like Jameis Winston talking about J.J. McCarthy or J.J. or Jameis Winston talking about a new puppy he just brought home. Uh, he said about J.J. McCarthy, he's curious and he wants to be great.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, that could be a puppy.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  There's no higher compliment to that.

• 1:18:03Speaker 00

  He's so curious.

• 1:18:04Speaker 02

  Do you think that Cam Scataboo likes him or is this like the start of stepbrothers? Where they hate each other because he, he knows that he's in town to possibly fill the role of his best friend.

• 1:18:16Speaker 00

  Yeah. The, uh, the best tweet, I, I can't remember who did it, but it was the, it was the Danny Hurley clip of him going, uh, face first with the ref. And it was like Cam Scataboo when he, when he, uh, sees J.J. McCarthy and, and thinks that, oh, I gotta find it. I gotta find it. I did it. Abort, abort.

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  Cause I do, I do think that.

• 1:18:36Speaker 00

  It was a really well. Abort, abort, abort.

• 1:18:38Speaker 02

  I, I do think.

• 1:18:39Speaker 00

  Such a good tweet.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  I do think that scattered was going to look at him and be like, you're not my real brother.

• 1:18:42Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  Like, fuck you.

• 1:18:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  But then he might do something cool. They might just have one good night together in Hoboken. He's like, that's my dog.

• 1:18:50Speaker 00

  J.J. McCarthy needs to do, or Jackson Dart needs to do something to make Cam know that it's okay.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I think Jackson needs to invite JJ to come out like, hey, come to Texas, Arizona with us.

• 1:19:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. Aaron, Aaron Cabrera, shout out. You had the, the tweet of the day. It was the famous Dan Hurley going straight into the ref's face and like kind of sniffing him and remember he's, what do you call it? Uh, snuggle? No.

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  He was nuzzling.

• 1:19:15Speaker 00

  Nuzzling.

• 1:19:16Speaker 02

  He was nuzzling.

• 1:19:16Speaker 00

  He said, Cam Scataboo, when J.J. McCarthy looks like Jackson Dart, but doesn't smell like Jackson, Jackson Dart. So that is going to be happening in the facility.

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:19:24Speaker 00

  Um, yeah, I don't know. I don't understand this game either. I, I feel like I'm going to take the Giants.

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  Cause the Giants, say what you want about their offense, which yeah, it means you're right. They haven't scored a touchdown in two weeks. But their defense should be good, right? Their defense should be able to, to fuck Jacoby Brissette up a little bit.

• 1:19:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know Brian Burns is definitely a miss.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  I don't know if Marvin Harrison's going to be playing football or not.

• 1:19:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, they tried. They were trying to get him going.

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  At the start. Yeah.

• 1:19:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. Can't really get going.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:19:53Speaker 00

  They're trying. This might be a stay away game. All right. Uh, Rams Eagles. Rams minus three, over under 43 and a half. This is my sucker play of the week.

• 1:20:07Speaker 00

  My theory is that suckers have to win sometimes. So I'm going to bet the Rams. It's the, it's the most sucker bet.

• 1:20:14Speaker 06

  Sucker bet.

• 1:20:15Speaker 00

  It is the most sucker bet you could bet, but suckers have to win sometimes, right? Otherwise they'd never, they'd never come back. A sucker has to win to be able to come back and be like, hey, I'm a sucker. And then, and then the sucker loses.

• 1:20:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't see a world where the Eagles win this game after the way they've been playing.

• 1:20:34Speaker 00

  And that's why it's a sucker bet. Cause I agree. And that's why the Eagles will win.

• 1:20:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's a must compete. Must compete for the season. If they get blown out, season's over.

• 1:20:44Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:20:45Speaker 02

  Really? Cause these are two kind of, both teams kind of look at it the same way.

• 1:20:49Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:20:50Speaker 00

  I think the Rams are gonna be fine no matter what.

• 1:20:53Speaker 06

  Rams will be fine.

• 1:20:53Speaker 02

  How, how, how deep a hole can the Rams get in?

• 1:20:56Speaker 00

  I think.

• 1:20:57Speaker 06

  But it doesn't, the division, maybe the division, but they're, they're gonna make the playoffs.

• 1:21:00Speaker 00

  They'll make the playoffs. And it's also, there is some context to the Rams start. They had a, they did a terrible job going to Australia and thinking they could beat time. They won their second game handily and then they got a little screwed by the refs in Denver and that, that game fell apart in, in Mile High in the second half.

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  But they're, what I'm saying is they're running low on the margin for error. They're a good team, a very good team, but if they, if they lose another one right now, it's gonna be hard to get back with the Seahawks and the Niners.

• 1:21:27Speaker 00

  They gotta, they gotta stretch though. They'll rip off some wins.

• 1:21:29Speaker 06

  I'm also saying in, in the, in the, the Eagles still could make the playoffs, I think, if, even if they get smoked in this game, but it's just as like a real competitor in the NFL.

• 1:21:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a real guy.

• 1:21:43Speaker 06

  Yeah. They, they could make the playoffs and get smoked in the, in the first round if, if they get smoked in this game.

• 1:21:48Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:49Speaker 06

  But if they show some fight, then you know, they gotta show fight. They gotta show fight. I don't see, I don't see it happening. I'm gonna root for my guys.

• 1:21:58Speaker 06

  But.

• 1:21:59Speaker 00

  Was that a fart?

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  No. Oh, okay. Okay. Just, just a vinyl.

• 1:22:04Speaker 06

  We'll see.

• 1:22:05Speaker 02

  You guys, you guys have owned the, owned the Rams. The McVay era has been very good for the Eagles. Is it six and one?

• 1:22:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, that is true. And Saquon, for some reason, Saquon always dominates the Rams.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:16Speaker 06

  So that's one thing that isn't normally in our favor, but they just had, they've looked so bad. They've looked so bad.

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  Is it Puka time? Puka time for the Rams?

• 1:22:25Speaker 00

  He might be back. I don't know. That's why I think the Rams are not like, they're not, they're not panicking. They're not rushing him back. And I mean, Miles.

• 1:22:33Speaker 06

  They don't even have Miles Gary.

• 1:22:34Speaker 00

  Miles Gary will be back eventually.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:37Speaker 00

  Uh, you have to build resilience and character within losing.

• 1:22:44Speaker 06

  Okay, Puka back in practice.

• 1:22:45Speaker 00

  Jalen Hurts or fortune cookie?

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  Oh, Jalen Hurts.

• 1:22:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's Jalen Hurts. That's Jalen Hurts.

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  I, I love looking at the clips of him next to the blue concussion tent.

• 1:22:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  I do kind of take, I take his side in this.

• 1:22:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  He was, he was waiting. What was the red hat guy doing?

• 1:23:00Speaker 00

  It was bullshit.

• 1:23:00Speaker 06

  He wasn't there.

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  The clip that I saw was like taken from the side and it was Jalen like trying to flag down the red hat man. And then they put him back in the tent. The red hat man comes leisurely strolling. I don't, what else could he have been doing at the time? I don't know. But he goes in and looks at him and is like, okay, you're good. He was in there for like two seconds. It was like, you're fine. And then he runs out too late, touchdown or interception for Andy Dalton already happened.

• 1:23:25Speaker 00

  I just don't know how Nick Sirianni didn't take a timeout. That, that part is just like, it's, I, I agree with everything you just said, PFT. The Eagles have every right to be mad, but it's also like, take it into your own control, Nick Sirianni.

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  I, I, listen, I love him. We're big fans of him on the show. At some point, Big Dom's gotta grab red hat man.

• 1:23:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  And be like, hey, hey, we're, we're going in for a touchdown here.

• 1:23:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  I don't know what you're doing that's more important than looking my starting quarterback in the eyes.

• 1:23:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  Like that's where you earn your paycheck, Big Dom. I'm sure he'd probably agree with that.

• 1:23:55Speaker 00

  He, he might've done it. He probably did.

• 1:23:58Speaker 05

  Did you see the clip of Big Dom protecting Sirianni from the cameraman?

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:24:02Speaker 05

  So Big Dom was standing behind Sirianni while he was doing an interview. And then the camera like panned, like it basically like if it was pointed at Big Cat, it kind of turned and essentially got Big Dom out of the shot. And I think Big Dom thought that might've been a threat. So he made sure that he walked back into the camera. So he was still directly behind Sirianni.

• 1:24:26Speaker 02

  Because he was assessing a threat is what you're saying.

• 1:24:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's what it seemed. I mean, if we can pull up the clip, it was pretty, it was, it was.

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  He thought maybe it was more than just a camera.

• 1:24:32Speaker 00

  Are you trolling?

• 1:24:34Speaker 05

  Look, ready?

• 1:24:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:35Speaker 05

  See, yeah, our camera turned, yeah, let's get this guy out of here. And then he's like, no, no, no.

• 1:24:38Speaker 00

  In sight.

• 1:24:38Speaker 05

  Right. That's what I'm saying.

• 1:24:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:40Speaker 00

  Oh, he didn't even walk back in it.

• 1:24:42Speaker 06

  Off.

• 1:24:43Speaker 00

  He walked off of it.

• 1:24:43Speaker 06

  This is an insane stretch.

• 1:24:45Speaker 00

  That was anti-Italian Hank. You're a bad guy.

• 1:24:48Speaker 05

  Oh, there it is. Yeah. Makes, look, he's looking directly to make sure that the camera operator is not.

• 1:24:53Speaker 02

  A threat.

• 1:24:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  That's his job, right?

• 1:24:55Speaker 06

  He walked off camera.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  Hank, who's the closest person to?

• 1:24:58Speaker 05

  The camera turned and he walked back.

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  The cameraman.

• 1:25:00Speaker 06

  But look at him.

• 1:25:01Speaker 05

  Right? Wait, wait, wait.

• 1:25:02Speaker 06

  There's like a millisecond at the end of the clip where he comes, this is a stretch. This is an absolute stretch.

• 1:25:08Speaker 05

  I'm saying that he's doing a good job.

• 1:25:10Speaker 00

  You're a hater.

• 1:25:11Speaker 02

  No, he is complimenting him. Anti-Italian.

• 1:25:14Speaker 05

  What, what reason did he have to walk three feet to his left other than?

• 1:25:17Speaker 06

  What the fuck do you know, dude? You don't know anything. You literally know nothing about shit. You're a fucking idiot loser.

• 1:25:27Speaker 00

  You know nothing about shit.

• 1:25:30Speaker 05

  I'm trying to give him a compliment. Sorry. Won't happen again.

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  That was good. Hank, you have been very anti-Italian today.

• 1:25:37Speaker 05

  Yeah. How?

• 1:25:39Speaker 06

  Extremely. You hate Tommy DeVito. Tommy DeVito, better fucking quarterback.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:43Speaker 05

  Then who?

• 1:25:46Speaker 06

  You didn't watch Glenn Tate.

• 1:25:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, you did. You weren't paying attention to Glenn Tate.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  I, I trust the tape. I don't trust you.

• 1:25:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Ah, must compete for the Eagles. Zach.

• 1:25:56Speaker 06

  Oh, boy.

• 1:25:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:59Speaker 03

  Oh, boy, sounds about right.

• 1:26:00Speaker 00

  Packers minus three and a half with the Bucks over under 38 and a half. Oh, boy. Winner will feel a lot better.

• 1:26:07Speaker 03

  That's the thing. The, the Packers aren't special.

• 1:26:09Speaker 00

  No, no, I'm saying, oh, boy, both these teams might stink.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's not gonna be a good, it's not gonna be a fun game to watch probably, but uh, I'm looking forward to uh, Jalen Daniels hopping in there.

• 1:26:18Speaker 00

  12 straight games the, the Bucks haven't covered the spread. That's so hard.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  Crazy. That's the most in the NFL since 1970.

• 1:26:24Speaker 00

  It's so hard to do.

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  Like this is, the streak they're on is unbelievable.

• 1:26:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, I did like the quote from Jalen Daniels. He said, you can't be a thermometer. You have to be the thermostat. I like that. Pump him up a little. Are you expecting anything out of Jalen Daniels?

• 1:26:42Speaker 03

  Uh, like I said, I enjoy, I enjoy watching him in preseason. He looked like uh, he had a good head on his shoulders. Looked pretty smooth. So hopefully he can do that for the team this week. I'm not expecting anything. No, but I would like to see something. Show me a little something, you know?

• 1:26:55Speaker 00

  The Bucks defense has not been that bad. They've, they, they have like been quietly kind of decent and kept them in these games. The offense has just been such a train wreck.

• 1:27:04Speaker 03

  Defense is the only thing keeping us remotely close to competing. So.

• 1:27:09Speaker 02

  Is that, Zach, overall with Todd Bowles, do you trust him when he is?

• 1:27:13Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  Okay. I, I stopped asking the question. It doesn't matter how that question ends, but specifically when it comes to saying what the timeline looks like for guys getting back from injuries.

• 1:27:22Speaker 03

  Uh, no, sir.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't either. He hasn't had a great track. I don't think, I don't think they tell him the real information.

• 1:27:27Speaker 03

  I don't think he inquires.

• 1:27:29Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:27:29Speaker 02

  You don't think that he, he's curious? Cause my theory was they, they tell him stuff that might not be accurate because if they tell him the real stuff, he'll share it.

• 1:27:36Speaker 03

  I think he said on like IRL autopilot.

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he says.

• 1:27:41Speaker 00

  He shouldn't have brought him back.

• 1:27:42Speaker 02

  Says Baker is, is out at least three weeks right now.

• 1:27:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm seeing like three, three to six, maybe.

• 1:27:47Speaker 02

  Three to seven weeks is another thing that like, that's a big, that's a big gap.

• 1:27:50Speaker 00

  That's a big gap.

• 1:27:51Speaker 03

  He's also like fully casted in practice.

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:54Speaker 03

  Like he had the most cast possible he could have on the thumb. So.

• 1:27:58Speaker 00

  It's not good.

• 1:27:59Speaker 03

  No, not good. Not good. A lot of season left though.

• 1:28:01Speaker 00

  Please beat the Packers.

• 1:28:03Speaker 03

  Could, could beat the Packers.

• 1:28:04Speaker 00

  Packers are, by the way, they are just signing every offensive lineman they can find at this point. It's been like something's gotta, just keep adding bodies.

• 1:28:13Speaker 02

  Uh, Mackay-Beckton.

• 1:28:14Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  Kevin Zetler.

• 1:28:16Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  And Lakin Tomlin.

• 1:28:18Speaker 00

  Yep. They're just finding bodies and they're like, yep, that'll work.

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  When does uh, Michael Parsons get back?

• 1:28:23Speaker 00

  I think he's, I think it's the pop. So I think it's uh, next week is when he's eligible, but I don't know if he'll be back for that.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  Okay. Are you excited about Jalen Dan? I'm kind of excited to see.

• 1:28:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:34Speaker 03

  I'm looking forward to.

• 1:28:34Speaker 02

  He played good in the preseason. He was awesome at Kansas.

• 1:28:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would like to, I would, I look forward to seeing him this week. Uh, like, well, being out four weeks, that's tough too, but hey, it's only up from here. So my spirits are kind of high just cause like, hey, it can get worse, but it has to eventually get better. Right?

• 1:28:50Speaker 00

  I am going to, all right. So Michael Parsons will not start practicing again this week. According to Matt LaFory, he's not yet been cleared to practice, but has not suffered any setbacks. Don't expect him back until week six or beyond. I'm gonna bet the Bucks. I'm gonna bet the under. I'm gonna bet the Bucks and hope I can finally just, you know, hey, 12 in a row, I'm the stopper.

• 1:29:09Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:09Speaker 00

  Cause I'm gonna, I'm gonna root for the Bucks anyway.

• 1:29:12Speaker 02

  Bust his spread, 12, 13 weeks, come on.

• 1:29:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, and this is also a game if the Bucks lose and lose poorly, I need to like, I need to have a lot of anger for, for Che and just be like, fuck you, you fucked us. You let the Packers back in this thing, that whole thing. All right, Titans, two more early games, Titans, plus 11 and a half at the Ravens, over, under 42 and a half. I don't got a lot for this game, except for the fact that the Titans are just terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. We talked about it on Monday, Cam Ward feels very lost, uh, Robert Sala is talking about.

• 1:29:44Speaker 02

  But he's honest.

• 1:29:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, he is honest, but Robert Sala is talking about PTSD from getting sacked too many times last week.

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:50Speaker 00

  Or last year. Yeah. What was his quote this week? He said, did he say their ass again?

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  I, I don't know if he said, the thing just with him is he is, he's honest and he seems like a nice guy. But we would ultimately like him to be honest about not playing like ass all the time.

• 1:30:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. This is revenge game?

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  Big revenge. So this is one of the two games where I do think that revenge might come into play. Derrick Henry revenge game did not get, uh, the contract that he wanted from the Titans, obviously. And then he's gone on and just continued to be tractor seat though for the Baltimore Ravens. So I do think that they're probably going to give a healthy dose of Derrick Henry.

• 1:30:25Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  I might, I might bet two touchdowns, might bet three touchdowns. I feel like this is going to be one where he does actually, he, he wants to stick it to him because he said, they shipped me out. Like he said it angry, but then he corrected himself. He's like, I don't want to say it like that. It's always love. But no, they didn't offer nothing at all. So.

• 1:30:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  He's still feels pretty pissed off about that.

• 1:30:46Speaker 00

  Also Lamar Jackson, if you had week four for when he'd randomly show up on an injury report.

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:52Speaker 00

  We're here.

• 1:30:52Speaker 02

  Jesse Minter had his first experience dealing with Lamar and mysterious issues.

• 1:30:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. I think the Ravens should kill the, the Titans. I'm not, I'm probably not going to bet this game, but I feel like the Ravens are one of those teams that's ripe for an upset from time to time. I don't think it's this week.

• 1:31:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. So the, the stat, I looked this up because I thought the same thing. There are four times that I could find in just the last couple of years that the Ravens had, have lost as, uh, favorites of seven or more. Like and lost outright. So obviously the Saints at home, three of those times were at home.

• 1:31:26Speaker 00

  Raiders.

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  The Raiders back in 2024, I believe.

• 1:31:30Speaker 00

  Gardner Minshew, yep.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  And then the Bengals at the Ravens, I think that was last year and, uh, the Ravens were seven and a half point favorites.

• 1:31:36Speaker 00

  Okay. So yeah, it happens.

• 1:31:38Speaker 02

  It does happen, but I think that the Titans are a special kind of shitty where.

• 1:31:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:43Speaker 02

  They probably won't come close.

• 1:31:44Speaker 00

  Their defense is not bad. They're, Cam Ward, I just can't trust them. All right. Last early game, Cowboys Texans, Texans minus three, over, under 48 and a half. Nico Collins possibly back? I think he's back at practice, which is significant. Also Cowboys going all in with the Joey Porter trade. I think that's just, Jerry Jones just wants, I, you know what? Credit to Jerry Jones, Nico Collins returned to practice. Okay. Credit to Jerry, Jerry Jones. No one else in the league does trades.

• 1:32:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:11Speaker 00

  And he's actually trying.

• 1:32:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, he said.

• 1:32:13Speaker 00

  Like in season trades?

• 1:32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:15Speaker 00

  He's trying.

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  He said last week, there's nothing more dangerous than an old man with money.

• 1:32:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  Like, yeah, he's, he'll spend it. He, and you know what? Specifically, it's like, he knows that the Steelers will pick up the phone.

• 1:32:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  So there's three guys that he got for the former Steelers. So there's him, Broderick Jones and, uh, uh, George Pickens.

• 1:32:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. What's, what's the look, Max?

• 1:32:34Speaker 05

  Eagles, Eagles definitely do trade.

• 1:32:35Speaker 00

  In season?

• 1:32:36Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:32:37Speaker 00

  When?

• 1:32:38Speaker 05

  Last year.

• 1:32:38Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:32:39Speaker 05

  Jalen Phillips.

• 1:32:40Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:32:43Speaker 00

  I like the.

• 1:32:46Speaker 00

  Well, no, they did a trade with the Cowboys.

• 1:32:48Speaker 05

  And the Colts.

• 1:32:50Speaker 02

  True. We trade.

• 1:32:51Speaker 00

  I don't know why.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  But Jerry does trades.

• 1:32:53Speaker 00

  It's because Jerry, in the last two years, Jerry Jones has done three significant trades. That's what I should have said. Okay? The Micah Parsons trade, the Jets, Quinn and Williams trade, and then this trade. Those are all, those are all pretty significant.

• 1:33:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:08Speaker 00

  Jerry does do trades.

• 1:33:09Speaker 02

  Trades, fuck you, Max.

• 1:33:10Speaker 00

  That's just.

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  You don't know nothing about shit. What was the quote? You don't know. You don't know nothing, you don't know shit about dick.

• 1:33:15Speaker 00

  Shit, shit about nothing.

• 1:33:17Speaker 05

  That's what I said. I don't know what I said, but it wasn't that.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  Did you know that Houston's only run three offensive plays with a lead this season? The only two teams that are behind them are Miami and Tennessee. They both have zero.

• 1:33:28Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:33:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:29Speaker 00

  Not good.

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  Not good. Um, the Cowboys offense obviously is, is great. Their situational awareness, not so much. Schottenheimer had to like go in front of the media and, and publicly take, take ownership for several missteps at the end of that game against the Ravens.

• 1:33:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. He said, I, I didn't do very good.

• 1:33:44Speaker 02

  No, I didn't do very good.

• 1:33:45Speaker 00

  We agree, bro.

• 1:33:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's honest. He's got Cam Ward in him. Uh, Brendan Aubrey doesn't look as dominant of a kicker as he was in the last couple of years. So there's that. Uh, the, the kickoff at the end of that game in Brazil was just like the stupidest judgment and error ever.

• 1:34:02Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  I haven't seen enough of the dominance that we got out of the Houston Texans defense in the last couple of years. They don't seem like as fearsome to start the season.

• 1:34:12Speaker 00

  Well, Will Anderson, yes, but.

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  Will Anderson, yeah, but like they were just, I don't know.

• 1:34:18Speaker 00

  No, I know what you're saying.

• 1:34:19Speaker 02

  They, they'll probably round into shape at some point and get to playing like that. But right now I don't see them as being like the same, like utterly dominant takeover game type unit.

• 1:34:28Speaker 00

  I do, I kinda, I kinda lean the over here just because Nico Collins, Nico Collins changed everything for the Texans and the Cowboys, I think are good enough to get points no matter what. Um, also CJ Stroud, by the way, 143 pass attempts since his last interception. Feel like we have to bet him to throw an interception.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  He should.

• 1:34:47Speaker 00

  143.

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  Take some chances.

• 1:34:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Take some chances.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  That's bad. That's bad that he hasn't thrown any picks.

• 1:34:54Speaker 00

  Anyone else got any thoughts on this game? You like Cowboys?

• 1:34:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:57Speaker 05

  Love Cowboys.

• 1:34:58Speaker 00

  You love the Cowboys in this game? You think the Texans start 0-4?

• 1:35:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't think this is their year.

• 1:35:05Speaker 00

  That's, I do a lot of.

• 1:35:06Speaker 05

  Everyone keeps talking like, oh, they're 0-3, they're gonna make the playoffs.

• 1:35:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:09Speaker 05

  It might just suck.

• 1:35:09Speaker 00

  I'm, I, I, I'm a dumb person with dumb strategies when it comes to gambling, but this is a, a big time week of, like I close my eyes, I'm like, are the Texans 0-4? I can't see it. I just fire away. Like I just, close your eyes, visualize things. Are the Raiders going to be 4-0? No.

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  Probably not.

• 1:35:27Speaker 00

  Can't see it.

• 1:35:28Speaker 02

  Probably. Do you think, do you think the Cowboys gave up too much for Porter?

• 1:35:33Speaker 02

  Cause there's no.

• 1:35:33Speaker 00

  Or not enough.

• 1:35:34Speaker 02

  There's no contract.

• 1:35:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  So he, he was upset with Pittsburgh and he had, I think a, a back injury because his contract wasn't good. And then he goes to the Cowboys, still doesn't have a contract.

• 1:35:44Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:35:45Speaker 02

  I'm sure Jerry's going to want to extend him, but he did give up fifth round pick next year and then a second round pick in 2028, which is a lot to give up for a guy if he's not going to get a contract.

• 1:35:55Speaker 00

  True, true.

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  That's actually a whole lot to give up.

• 1:35:58Speaker 00

  That's a good point.

• 1:35:59Speaker 02

  So I don't know.

• 1:36:01Speaker 00

  Okay, let's, uh.

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  He also plays man and the Cowboys play a let it zone.

• 1:36:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:04Speaker 02

  So I don't know. He's a man's man.

• 1:36:07Speaker 00

  He's a man's man, man. All right. We're going to do our afternoon, uh, picks, but first a word from our friends from Pepsi. Uh, football is back and no game day spread is complete without the great taste of Pepsi zero sugar. You spend all week thinking about the wings, nachos or burgers that you're going to dig into a kickoff. But are you pairing it with the right drink? I'm pairing a slice of pizza

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• 1:37:12Speaker 00

  Okay. Afternoon games, uh, Dolphins at Vikings, Dolphins plus 10 and a half, over, under 38 and a half. Uh, I feel like it's too many points. I'll just say it, boys. I know the Dolphins suck beyond belief.

• 1:37:29Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:37:29Speaker 00

  But the Vikings haven't had 250 yards of offense yet this season in a game. They've gone two straight games without having, two straight games with one play in the red zone. I don't know if their offense is broken or, you know, it's going to take some time for Kyler Murray, but it feels like if you're, I, I like the Vikings defense is going to absolutely dominate this game, but are the Vikings going to score on offense? I don't know.

• 1:37:55Speaker 02

  This is the other game that I think is actual revenge game.

• 1:37:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  Brian, Brian Flores revenge game.

• 1:38:00Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  So Brian, I, I don't know.

• 1:38:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm out on the Dolphins.

• 1:38:04Speaker 02

  The lawsuit against the Dolphins, but allegedly trying to pay him per loss to lose football games. And then Brian Flores was like, hey, they're fucking around over here and the Dolphins are like, sadly, we have to fire you. So they went, they found a coach who is more than capable of losing games.

• 1:38:20Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:38:20Speaker 02

  So I'd say everybody might've worked out, like it might've worked out for everyone in the end. But yeah, the, uh, the Vikings defense is going to have a day today.

• 1:38:29Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:38:30Speaker 02

  Or on Sunday, they're going to be blitzing. I think they're blitzing what? Like 70% of the time right now?

• 1:38:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  Maybe more. Um, Malik Willis does lead the league in downfield throw rate. So he, he is used to taking shots.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  Not that they're good shots, but he's at least to like trying to push the ball downfield, which could be helpful. Probably not against a blitz, but, um, I think, I think this Vikings defense, it doesn't really matter who's going to be playing quarterback. They're just going to say, don't, please don't turn the ball over, sir.

• 1:38:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:38:57Speaker 02

  And that's your entire assignment for today.

• 1:38:59Speaker 00

  Well, the Vikings, so we talked about it with KOC and the, the trading of J.J. McCarthy and their offenses looked bad. Do you know that the Vikings in their last 11 games, they only have one quarterback, one quarterback performance that went for over 200 yards? Not 300 yards, 200.

• 1:39:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I believe it.

• 1:39:19Speaker 00

  Week 15 last year, J.J. McCarthy threw for 250 yards.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:24Speaker 00

  Everything else is like, you go down the list, 119, 143, 133, 182, 51. That was the Max Brosmer game. Like everything, it's just, I don't know. It's, it's, I think it's going to get better. Justin Jefferson getting banged up doesn't help, but it's been a broken offense for a little bit now. It's just their defense is so elite. And like you said, the revenge, the minute you said that, I was like, I'm out, I'm out on the Dolphins.

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  I think it's a real revenge one.

• 1:39:50Speaker 00

  Yes, absolutely.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  And it should be a revenge one for us too. Uh, yeah, you're right. The Vikings offense hasn't looked as good ever since Sam Darnold left.

• 1:39:59Speaker 00

  It's looked bad.

• 1:40:00Speaker 02

  It's, it's looked bad. Um, but it doesn't really matter. And this, in this case, I think once they get more into the, the heart of their season, we're going to find out. Like if you were to look at every team that's undefeated right now, if you were to power rank all of them, uh, win streak, what's, what's the, going back to last year, who's on the biggest win streak from last year?

• 1:40:20Speaker 00

  If I were to power ranking the.

• 1:40:22Speaker 02

  The 3-0 teams.

• 1:40:22Speaker 00

  3-0 teams, I'm going to go Bills.

• 1:40:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:26Speaker 00

  Niners, Chiefs, those are the easy ones.

• 1:40:29Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:40:31Speaker 00

  I think I'd go Raiders over Vikings right now. I don't know.

• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:37Speaker 00

  I think. That's the only tough one.

• 1:40:38Speaker 02

  I think I, we can, we can get to the Raiders later. I think I would go Vikings over Raiders, but, but just barely.

• 1:40:45Speaker 00

  Okay. Well.

• 1:40:45Speaker 02

  If we're making tiers, those, those two teams are both in the Kirk Cousins tier.

• 1:40:49Speaker 00

  Can I, can I, can I give you, let's go to Chiefs Raiders. Raiders are plus four and a half, over under is 47 and a half. Can I give you my case for the Raiders being power ranked higher than the Vikings?

• 1:41:00Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:41:02Speaker 00

  Clint Kubiak said that every game is a one game Superbowl for the Raiders. So the Raiders technically have three Superbowls this year.

• 1:41:11Speaker 02

  Dynasty.

• 1:41:12Speaker 00

  It's week four and they've already won three Superbowls.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  Just win, baby.

• 1:41:15Speaker 00

  How do you not power rank? You gotta have them. Have the Vikings won any Superbowls this year?

• 1:41:20Speaker 02

  I don't know, but.

• 1:41:21Speaker 00

  The Raiders have won three.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  Cause I think the Giants have that same mentality too. Harbaugh was rocking the one and O shirt.

• 1:41:26Speaker 00

  Okay. Did he say Superbowl? I've never.

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  I haven't heard him say.

• 1:41:29Speaker 00

  I've definitely, that's very much coach speak to be like, we gotta go one and O every week.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:34Speaker 00

  You know, one game at a time, but to say every game is a one game Superbowl.

• 1:41:40Speaker 02

  I think the NFL, if, if there's still bad blood there between the Davis family and the NFL, they could sue the Raiders for saying that.

• 1:41:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:47Speaker 02

  Like you're not allowed to use the term super. You can say we're one, every, every game is the big game.

• 1:41:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I know we talked, we talked at the beginning of the show about the game of the century, but this is the Raiders going for a dynasty.

• 1:41:58Speaker 02

  Four.

• 1:41:58Speaker 00

  Four?

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  Four in a row.

• 1:42:00Speaker 00

  Four in a row?

• 1:42:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:01Speaker 00

  That's unassailable.

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  I mean, the fact is the Chiefs are probably going to beat them.

• 1:42:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  Mahomes is, was he seven and one in Vegas?

• 1:42:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, but I, I am buying a little bit more of what the Raiders are like. They're, they've been blocking well. Max Crosby is just, he's such a game wrecker. It's probably going to be the Chiefs. I'll, I'll probably bet the Raiders plus four and a half.

• 1:42:22Speaker 02

  I was thinking about Kirk Cousins this week. You don't want to?

• 1:42:25Speaker 00

  Hank?

• 1:42:26Speaker 05

  No, this just screams them Chiefs and Mahomes win by a hundred.

• 1:42:29Speaker 02

  I think they're going to win, but I, I don't know. Four and a half. It's a division rivalry. The Raiders are playing good. And like the cat said, it's a Superbowl for them.

• 1:42:37Speaker 00

  They don't win by a hundred too.

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  I was thinking about Kirk Cousins this week and I think that we have it in our mind, at least going into this year, I did. I had it in my mind that Kirk Cousins is washed up, couldn't throw the ball downfield.

• 1:42:49Speaker 00

  For sure.

• 1:42:49Speaker 02

  Et cetera, et cetera. That all just happened because he got injured in Atlanta and, and his arm was hurt. And so he kept playing.

• 1:42:57Speaker 00

  Well, and also his Achilles coming back from his Achilles, he looked like a 36 year old guy coming back from Achilles.

• 1:43:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. But even after he got back before he hurt his arm, he was like, he was able to manage the game a little bit, but.

• 1:43:07Speaker 00

  Bucks game. Remember the Bucks game?

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:08Speaker 00

  He was awesome.

• 1:43:09Speaker 02

  But the thing is like, he had, he had arm injuries and then he wouldn't come out. Then you put Michael Penix in, the spry young Michael Penix. That is relatively injury free compared to Kirk Cousins, not. And then we, our last memory of Kirk Cousins is this guy's washed up and old. When he's healthy, Kirk Cousins is exactly who Kirk Cousins has been.

• 1:43:30Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  For his entire career.

• 1:43:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  He's never been a guy that's going to like throw the ball a hundred miles an hour into the smallest windows.

• 1:43:37Speaker 00

  But they are taking shots now. Like the week one, I was like, oh, they're not really, they're kind of digging. He was taking some shots.

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. He can take shots. It's just like, he's not the guy that's going to like fit the ball into the tiniest situations.

• 1:43:47Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:43:48Speaker 02

  He'll take shots downfield, but Kirk Cousins, he's just been himself his entire career.

• 1:43:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:53Speaker 02

  And I think what we're seeing in Vegas, that looks just like Kirk Cousins did in Minnesota and looks like a couple of games that he played for the Falcons where he wasn't hurt.

• 1:44:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. He's won seven straight starts. So his final last four for the Falcons and the first three for the Raiders.

• 1:44:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:07Speaker 00

  He's seven and O. He's got seven Superbowls in a row. It's insane.

• 1:44:12Speaker 02

  Yep. Well, I don't know if they count that in.

• 1:44:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's true. Travis Kelsey, by the way, is averaging 11.1 yards after the catch per reception through week three. So that, that's something to watch that he's just somehow young Travis Kelsey again.

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's looked good.

• 1:44:27Speaker 00

  A lot of it did come after the, the big play to start the Dolphins game, but still, I mean, he looks, he looks a lot different than he did last year. Where it was like, oh boy, this is, this is getting, this is getting to a point where it's like, we, we all assumed he was going to retire. And now he's back and he feels, it feels like he's fresher than ever. And the Chiefs had their mojo back.

• 1:44:48Speaker 02

  You remember a couple of years ago when the Chiefs kept winning and, and we kept saying like, the luck's going to run out. They're getting outplayed every game.

• 1:44:54Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:44:54Speaker 02

  So this year, the Chiefs are plus four 15 in net yards through three games.

• 1:45:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, they dominated.

• 1:45:01Speaker 02

  So that's the second best they've ever been at this point in franchise history.

• 1:45:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  So it's, it's, it's completely switched back now.

• 1:45:08Speaker 00

  It's Kenneth, Kenneth Walker has changed this offense where it just looks so balanced and he's so good.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  His old coach, Kubiak.

• 1:45:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. True. Did you see Kenneth Walker? There was just a sick slow mo video I watched where he, he was able to like guard against the peanut punch.

• 1:45:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:23Speaker 00

  Perfectly. Like the guy came in flying with a punch and he just got two hands on the ball at the right time. I don't know. It was just sick.

• 1:45:30Speaker 02

  I've been.

• 1:45:31Speaker 00

  I don't really have anything else to say other than six slow motion videos in, in, uh, like by social media teams the week after are just always, I'm going to watch that.

• 1:45:40Speaker 02

  They're always great. I've been slowly trying to incept Jerry into thinking that TJ Watt invented the punch.

• 1:45:45Speaker 00

  Oh, the TJ Watt punch.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. So like once every two weeks, I don't want to overload.

• 1:45:50Speaker 00

  The watch shot.

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's good. Once every two weeks I'll, I'll see like even a clip, if they show a clip of peanut punching the ball, be like, that guy's doing the TJ punch.

• 1:45:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:59Speaker 02

  He's like, I know, I can see it. So yeah, just nobody, nobody blow that for me.

• 1:46:03Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, no, we gotta, I, I like that. Just keep slowly, slowly getting it. Cause he does do it.

• 1:46:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:09Speaker 00

  Uh, all right. Broncos, 49ers is the game of the afternoon. Uh, 49ers minus three, over under is 47 and a half. Last time they played was the famous 11 to 10 game where Jimmy G took a safety by accidentally going out of the back of the end zone.

• 1:46:24Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:46:25Speaker 00

  I, I am at the point now with the Broncos, I'm just going to bet them and, and I know I'm going to, for a half of football, I'm going to be like, that was the dumbest bet ever. And then Bo Nix is going to happen. And I'm like, wow, I'm so smart.

• 1:46:37Speaker 02

  I don't know if they're good, but he's.

• 1:46:40Speaker 00

  Doesn't matter.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  But they're really, really clutch.

• 1:46:41Speaker 00

  Doesn't matter.

• 1:46:42Speaker 02

  They just get better as, as the game goes on. It's not just this year. It was last year too.

• 1:46:46Speaker 00

  And I, listen, the Niners offense is basically playing perfect offense, but their defense is not great. And I think that Bo Nix will, will have a easier day. It's can the Broncos get a couple of stops? Riley Moss feels like he's going to get abused in this game. I wish there was a prop for that. Yards given up by a cornerback.

• 1:47:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:07Speaker 00

  That feels like that would hit.

• 1:47:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, there's some, you've heard me complain about a few of those guys. Oh, speaking of which, Max, I forgot to bring this up during the Eagles thing.

• 1:47:18Speaker 02

  How are we feeling about our white cornerback?

• 1:47:23Speaker 00

  He's.

• 1:47:23Speaker 02

  Cooper Dejean.

• 1:47:25Speaker 06

  Not the best start to the year, but I believe in him to fight back.

• 1:47:28Speaker 02

  Cause I've seen, I've seen some, some discourse online. Uh, it seems like some Eagles fans might be turning on him.

• 1:47:35Speaker 06

  Not yet.

• 1:47:35Speaker 00

  Has he gotten too swaggy for an Iowa guy?

• 1:47:39Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:47:39Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:47:40Speaker 06

  He's still, he's still a bring your lunch pail guy.

• 1:47:42Speaker 00

  Okay. Okay.

• 1:47:43Speaker 06

  People are, people think that they've seen him out at the bar, at the bars too much.

• 1:47:47Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

• 1:47:48Speaker 06

  I think he's a, he's a young kid and having a good time.

• 1:47:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:47:53Speaker 00

  I have, uh, something I wanted to throw out there to you guys is potential wager. If you guys would be interested in something like that. So right now, uh, well, actually he's, he's, he's plus four 25. So not even great odds. He's second in the MVP race, but Brock Purdy, so the 49ers have scored a touchdown on 13 of 27 drives this season. That's 48.1%. It's the highest TD rate of drives through three games since 2000. Five of the next seven teams on the list featured that year's MVP quarterback.

• 1:48:29Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:48:29Speaker 00

  So it's, if you, if you're looking at early trends, the quarterback of these teams that have been scoring at plus, you know, 40% more uh, of their drives have ended in touchdowns, have won the MVP. Brock Purdy plus four 25. I don't know. Something to think about.

• 1:48:46Speaker 02

  I don't hate it because I think Brock Purdy right now is playing like the 49ers, in my opinion, are the best team in football.

• 1:48:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's.

• 1:48:52Speaker 02

  I would put them above the Bills right now, which means.

• 1:48:54Speaker 00

  I just think they're, yeah, I guess their Bills defense is not great.

• 1:48:56Speaker 02

  Right. I, I think the 49ers, me, me saying that out loud tells me they're probably going to lose this week to the Broncos in some weird way in the fourth quarter, but I do think the 49ers, they're, I, they've played the most complete football. And some of the stats that they have with their offensive line, just absolutely unreal. The fact that they have, uh, they played three games. They have four negative plays.

• 1:49:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:49:17Speaker 02

  Over the course of those three games and their offensive line has more receptions than sacks allowed.

• 1:49:23Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's pretty crazy. Now, this is the game that we'll find out because you can make the argument for the 49ers as good as they've looked. We talked about the Rams game in Australia where Sean McVay was a total dumb dumb face. Dolphins and Cardinals.

• 1:49:39Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:49:40Speaker 00

  Not exactly good teams.

• 1:49:43Speaker 02

  Yep, that's true.

• 1:49:43Speaker 00

  That's not exactly the murderers row of teams.

• 1:49:46Speaker 02

  It wasn't just that they beat the Dolphins. It was how they beat the Dolphins and how they beat them.

• 1:49:50Speaker 00

  For sure.

• 1:49:50Speaker 02

  Coming back from being in, in Australia.

• 1:49:53Speaker 00

  For sure. For sure.

• 1:49:54Speaker 02

  With the Australia thing, uh, Fred Warner is the guy that goes over and spends like three months in the study abroad program and then comes back signing his emails, cheers.

• 1:50:04Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  He was talking about, uh, Hufanga, who used to be on the 49ers and he called him a Tasmanian devil.

• 1:50:10Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:50:10Speaker 02

  Because he's one of the most instinctive players. So he's pissed off that he got away. Hufanga is a beast.

• 1:50:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:50:16Speaker 02

  Uh, and I do think that the, if the Broncos defense can get to the quarterback, good luck doing that against this 49ers team. But if they can put that into what they already have going, they could be an amazing team. They just can't do shit in the first half of games.

• 1:50:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, they, they.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  They don't stop the run either.

• 1:50:32Speaker 00

  But just believe in Bo Nix.

• 1:50:34Speaker 02

  That's the thing is like.

• 1:50:35Speaker 00

  Close your eyes and just believe in Bo Nix.

• 1:50:37Speaker 02

  They cannot stop the run and the 49ers are, are going to run the ball down their throat.

• 1:50:41Speaker 00

  That is a little bit, the Broncos, uh, the stats, like trying to figure out stats and how much they mean, that, that is a lot of week one against the Chiefs too.

• 1:50:51Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:50:51Speaker 00

  Like they, they did clean it up. Uh, uh, you know, they, they couldn't have been worse with the missed tackles week one. That was one of the worst defensive performances ever. Last game in the afternoon, Chargers, Seahawks, Seahawks minus seven, over under 42 and a half.

• 1:51:05Speaker 05

  This is the week.

• 1:51:06Speaker 00

  Oh no, Hank.

• 1:51:11Speaker 00

  You think so?

• 1:51:12Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 1:51:13Speaker 00

  You think the Chargers are going to win this football game? I love the, I love the bold take. Why?

• 1:51:20Speaker 05

  Cause they're 0-3. They need to win.

• 1:51:22Speaker 00

  But the Seahawks.

• 1:51:24Speaker 05

  The Seahawks just lost a backup quarterback.

• 1:51:27Speaker 00

  I would agree with you. The Seahawks had won that game.

• 1:51:32Speaker 05

  I guess, I mean, I

• 1:51:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what scares me.

• 1:51:34Speaker 05

  Mm hmm. I feel like the Chargers were, should have beaten the Bills. They made a couple of mistakes, but they played pretty well. And I think this is the week, you know, they, their backs are against the wall. If they're ever going to put anything together, they have to start this week.

• 1:51:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, so, again, I would agree with you that if they'd lost last, if they'd won against the commanders.

• 1:51:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:51:56Speaker 02

  That would be the perfect time for the Chargers. Counterpoint, did Marcus Mariota and David Blau give them the blueprint?

• 1:52:02Speaker 00

  They figured it out.

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  For how to beat the Seahawks. And so I think that if the Chargers had won last week at the Bills, then Seahawks all day.

• 1:52:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  In that bounce back, I don't think things can get any lower for the Chargers. I was driving to work this morning about 6:15 on my way in for a wake up bar stool. And there was some conversation on the radio that I thought to myself, it cannot get any worse for the Chargers. They were debating which team has it worse right now for the future of the franchise, the Chargers or the Tennessee Titans?

• 1:52:34Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:52:35Speaker 02

  And they were having an actual conversation about that.

• 1:52:37Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:52:37Speaker 02

  That cannot, we, we can't do that. That's, it's gone far enough. I think this is the week where the Chargers bounce back.

• 1:52:44Speaker 00

  I think I'm gonna bet the Chargers first half. Chargers have scored in the fourth quarter this season through three games. Three points.

• 1:52:54Speaker 05

  Yikes.

• 1:52:54Speaker 00

  And all of those have been in must score situations. They've been down. It's not like a, they were up 35 to 10 and they just sat on the ball. They've been needing points and not been able to get points.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  We, we like Coach Harbaugh around here.

• 1:53:09Speaker 00

  I love Coach Harbaugh.

• 1:53:10Speaker 02

  We, we love Coach Harbaugh around here.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  Coach Harbaugh is familiar with Seattle, with that stadium.

• 1:53:16Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:53:17Speaker 02

  Coach Harbaugh in his past has been willing to do anything and everything that it takes to win football games.

• 1:53:22Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:53:23Speaker 02

  I think Coach Harbaugh is at the point right now where he, he is willing, like he's that Bugs Bunny meme praying like, Lord help me, I'm about to go back to the old me.

• 1:53:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:32Speaker 02

  Jim Harbaugh is going to do everything that he can to win this football game and rules don't really matter. He, this is going to be one where he's like, no bad ideas.

• 1:53:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:53:41Speaker 02

  About how we can win this. This is the no bad ideas game.

• 1:53:44Speaker 00

  All right, fine. You guys talked me into it. Chargers.

• 1:53:47Speaker 05

  Chargers.

• 1:53:48Speaker 00

  Chargers. Chargers. Also, the, the idea that I, I know that Seahawks lost that game last week. We, we talked about it on Monday, but there was what, 21 points off turnovers directly, a pick six and then two short fields. Cause the Seahawks had 86 percentile offensive success, success rate. 89th percentile defensive success rate. It's the only game a team lost when clearing the 85th percentile in success rate on both sides of the ball since 2022. That's a lot of games. That's the entire NFL.

• 1:54:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:18Speaker 00

  So it's kind of one of those, yes, they lost the game, but are they playing bad? No. They just had one of those games.

• 1:54:26Speaker 02

  But remember there was a 50 yard touchdown run that was taken off.

• 1:54:28Speaker 00

  That's true. That's true.

• 1:54:31Speaker 00

  Lions and Panthers, the other big cat game. I can't believe this is, uh, Sunday night football, but we got it. Panthers plus three and a half, over, under 51 and a half. I think it's the, yeah. So there's the longest drought, I think now for Sunday night or Monday night is the Browns, I believe. Uh, I'm just gonna bet the over in this game.

• 1:54:50Speaker 05

  I'll be betting Jared Goff's rushing prop.

• 1:54:52Speaker 00

  I love that.

• 1:54:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:53Speaker 05

  Hammer it. He's got something to prove.

• 1:54:55Speaker 00

  I'm just gonna

• 1:54:56Speaker 02

  That's a good point. That's a good point.

• 1:54:58Speaker 00

  Lions defense is bad. Panthers defense just had some injuries, I believe as well.

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:03Speaker 00

  I think J.C. Horn and someone else, uh, are out. I'm just gonna, I think my new strategy every, every week is going to be to la, to take the Lions over and also ladder the opposing quarterback, Bryce Young yards.

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  I'm seeing that J.C. Horn might be out, uh, Mike Jackson out on injured reserve. Uh, and then Damian Lewis might be out. Jalen Coker might be out.

• 1:55:28Speaker 00

  The offense, that would hurt.

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  The offense is different with, with Coker in there.

• 1:55:31Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 1:55:32Speaker 02

  Um, it's gonna be a blackout.

• 1:55:34Speaker 06

  J.C. Horn officially on IR.

• 1:55:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:55:37Speaker 02

  On IR. Got it. Uh, but yeah, they're blacking it out. Black shirts.

• 1:55:41Speaker 00

  Oh, they're blacking out the game?

• 1:55:42Speaker 02

  I didn't know that, that Carolina did that.

• 1:55:43Speaker 00

  We're not gonna be able to watch?

• 1:55:44Speaker 02

  No, they're black, it's a blackout.

• 1:55:46Speaker 00

  That's pretty cool.

• 1:55:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've never seen, I don't know that I've seen Panthers fans black it out. I didn't know that that was, that was a thing that they were doing.

• 1:55:53Speaker 00

  That's actually gonna be a sick crowd.

• 1:55:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:55Speaker 00

  Like they're, and both these teams, the Lions don't need it as much, but man, the Lions defense has been really, really bad. Their Lions defense is 32nd in points, 31st in yards, 32nd in air yards by a wide margin. They also rank 31st in both third down and red zone defense.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:56:13Speaker 00

  That's crazy. That is crazy. They're, they're also averaging 31 points per game on the dot because they've scored 31 every single game.

• 1:56:23Speaker 00

  Okay, boys, should we do our, uh, TD parlay? We gotta hit one. We gotta hit one.

• 1:56:29Speaker 00

  We went two for three last week.

• 1:56:31Speaker 06

  We did.

• 1:56:32Speaker 02

  Who missed?

• 1:56:33Speaker 06

  You did.

• 1:56:36Speaker 06

  Alave.

• 1:56:38Speaker 00

  Alave went down at the one.

• 1:56:39Speaker 06

  You took Kittle, I took Givante.

• 1:56:41Speaker 00

  All right. Uh, DraftKings.

• 1:56:43Speaker 05

  I took.

• 1:56:44Speaker 06

  I feel like you, oh wait, oh Hank took.

• 1:56:46Speaker 05

  I took.

• 1:56:46Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. So you took, I don't think I was in. No, I took Kittle. I took Kittle.

• 1:56:50Speaker 06

  You took Kittle?

• 1:56:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:56:51Speaker 06

  I took.

• 1:56:52Speaker 00

  Givante.

• 1:56:52Speaker 05

  And Alave went down.

• 1:56:54Speaker 00

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• 1:58:04Speaker 00

  Should I just do Kittle again? He's gone back to back.

• 1:58:07Speaker 06

  I know with three so far.

• 1:58:09Speaker 05

  A little greedy.

• 1:58:09Speaker 00

  Back to back. All right, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine.

• 1:58:11Speaker 02

  Did he love two last week?

• 1:58:12Speaker 00

  He had two last week. He had one the week before.

• 1:58:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 1:58:15Speaker 00

  He's, I mean, he's hot.

• 1:58:16Speaker 02

  I mean, on one hand, we're kind of testing it on the other. But we're also gonna feel dumb if we don't take it.

• 1:58:22Speaker 00

  We won't, we won't. We'll not do Kittle. Who are we doing?

• 1:58:25Speaker 06

  I'm doing Bowers.

• 1:58:26Speaker 00

  I was about to say Bowers.

• 1:58:28Speaker 02

  Good pick.

• 1:58:29Speaker 00

  Good pick.

• 1:58:30Speaker 02

  I'm gonna take, uh, take Christian McCaffrey.

• 1:58:33Speaker 00

  Good pick. Good pick.

• 1:58:35Speaker 02

  Pretty sharp.

• 1:58:37Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:58:39Speaker 00

  Real sharp pick.

• 1:58:40Speaker 06

  Real sharp.

• 1:58:41Speaker 00

  Real sharp pick.

• 1:58:45Speaker 00

  Amon Ra.

• 1:58:46Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:58:46Speaker 00

  Okay, Sunday night.

• 1:58:47Speaker 02

  Even though he's been fined by the NFL for, for smoking.

• 1:58:50Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:58:51Speaker 02

  The smoking celebrations.

• 1:58:52Speaker 00

  Oh, can't do that.

• 1:58:54Speaker 02

  And son of a bitch.

• 1:58:54Speaker 00

  Amon Ra. So we try to get two and then we just get Amon Ra at the end.

• 1:58:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:00Speaker 00

  I was gonna maybe say Jamison, but I feel like we've just, he's

• 1:59:03Speaker 06

  He's, yeah.

• 1:59:04Speaker 02

  I'm not, I don't want to do that.

• 1:59:05Speaker 00

  I kinda wanna say Jamison now. I kinda wanna say Jamison.

• 1:59:09Speaker 02

  He is gonna be wearing the shicee on Sunday night. You know that.

• 1:59:12Speaker 00

  He's, I kinda wanna say Jamison. He's gonna score. He's gonna score. All right, should we do, uh, what, what do you got there, Max? You putting it in?

• 1:59:21Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:59:22Speaker 00

  Find us. Find us. Amon Ra.

• 1:59:24Speaker 06

  Why did that not show up?

• 1:59:26Speaker 00

  Do, do, there you go. All right. Uh, I got, we gotta get better picks. I've been bad at picks.

• 1:59:32Speaker 05

  Same.

• 1:59:33Speaker 00

  Max is crushing it.

• 1:59:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, I'm, I've been good. What are you talking about? Yeah, memes are both five and one.

• 1:59:38Speaker 00

  I said, I've gotta get better.

• 1:59:39Speaker 06

  You said we.

• 1:59:40Speaker 00

  And then I said, we've gotta get better picks. That's, that's talking about we as in

• 1:59:44Speaker 06

  That room.

• 1:59:44Speaker 00

  Me and my team.

• 1:59:46Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:59:46Speaker 00

  In my head. Have to get better picks. It's the royal we memes. Fuck you, dude.

• 1:59:51Speaker 06

  Hate week. It doesn't matter.

• 1:59:53Speaker 00

  Fuck you, hate week. You're, you don't know shit about nothing.

• 1:59:56Speaker 06

  It doesn't matter. I finished in second for this competition every single year.

• 2:00:00Speaker 00

  What?

• 2:00:00Speaker 06

  Finishing second in this competition.

• 2:00:03Speaker 00

  That's so unlike you. PFT? I'm up first? No, Zach?

• 2:00:09Speaker 06

  No.

• 2:00:09Speaker 00

  No, PFT, PFT, PFT. Okay, um.

• 2:00:12Speaker 05

  PFT.

• 2:00:16Speaker 00

  Packers, Bucks, under.

• 2:00:17Speaker 06

  Oof.

• 2:00:18Speaker 05

  Gross.

• 2:00:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:00:20Speaker 06

  Gross.

• 2:00:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:00:21Speaker 06

  Shit, you hate Jay Daniels?

• 2:00:22Speaker 05

  Good pick. That's gross.

• 2:00:24Speaker 00

  Good pick.

• 2:00:25Speaker 06

  So big heads up?

• 2:00:26Speaker 00

  I'll take, wait, what's, what's the number on that? Anybody have it?

• 2:00:30Speaker 05

  That, it's 38 and a half.

• 2:00:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:00:32Speaker 06

  Nailed it.

• 2:00:32Speaker 00

  Yep. I will take the Denver Broncos plus three.

• 2:00:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:00:40Speaker 05

  Give me the London brov. 47 and a half.

• 2:00:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:00:44Speaker 06

  I'll take over 51 and a half Jacksonville, Cincinnati.

• 2:00:50Speaker 06

  I will take over 47 and a half Monday night football, Saints Falcons.

• 2:00:55Speaker 00

  Hmm, I forgot about that game.

• 2:00:57Speaker 05

  I'm gonna take Cowboys plus three.

• 2:01:01Speaker 06

  And?

• 2:01:02Speaker 05

  And then I'm also gonna take.

• 2:01:06Speaker 06

  I hate my pick.

• 2:01:07Speaker 02

  The over in the Titans Ravens game, forty-two and a half.

• 2:01:10Speaker 06

  I hate my pick. I'm gonna take the Texans minus three.

• 2:01:17Speaker 04

  I'll be taking the Minnesota Vikings minus ten and a half. Dolphins are gonna get skull fucked.

• 2:01:23Speaker 05

  Chiefs minus four and a half. The Raiders are gonna get skull fucked.

• 2:01:29Speaker 00

  I'll go hate week. I'll take the over in the Jets Bears over forty-three. Love that.

• 2:01:36Speaker 02

  Meme, turn your mic on when you're talking shit about Hank.

• 2:01:39Speaker 04

  Raiders aren't skull.

• 2:01:40Speaker 00

  Uh, it's over forty-two and a half. Over forty-two and a half.

• 2:01:45Speaker 05

  What do you mean? Their logo is literally a skull.

• 2:01:47Speaker 06

  No, skull, skull.

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  He said skull.

• 2:01:49Speaker 05

  And I said skull.

• 2:01:51Speaker 00

  Skull fuck.

• 2:01:52Speaker 06

  Skull.

• 2:01:54Speaker 05

  The Raiders logo is literally a head.

• 2:01:55Speaker 06

  Skull.

• 2:01:56Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:01:57Speaker 05

  I said skull.

• 2:01:58Speaker 02

  PFT? Uh, I'm going to take Mike Verdi ballgame, New England Patriots plus seven.

• 2:02:04Speaker 05

  Fuck yeah.

• 2:02:07Speaker 00

  That's that right there. PFT making that pick just proved that he's not Glenn.

• 2:02:13Speaker 02

  I didn't know that that was even a question.

• 2:02:14Speaker 00

  No, but I, there was a couple of people were saying.

• 2:02:16Speaker 02

  Have you heard my takes? Does anyone think I actually watched tape?

• 2:02:19Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 2:02:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:20Speaker 00

  There is one person who said they were gonna watch more tape.

• 2:02:23Speaker 06

  I watched, I've watched zero tape.

• 2:02:26Speaker 00

  Oh, but you, you are watching more tape, right? This year?

• 2:02:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, I've watched the Titans tape.

• 2:02:31Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 2:02:32Speaker 06

  I watched Titans.

• 2:02:33Speaker 00

  So you only watch wins? That's not how you get better?

• 2:02:36Speaker 06

  Well, baseball.

• 2:02:37Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Okay. They've, they've been playing baseball every hour for the entire week?

• 2:02:41Speaker 06

  I, I'm, I gotta lock it all.

• 2:02:43Speaker 02

  You're no different than Vic Fangio at all.

• 2:02:45Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:02:46Speaker 00

  Jeez, man.

• 2:02:47Speaker 06

  That's fine.

• 2:02:48Speaker 00

  All right. Speaking of baseball, we got Eric Hosmer, World Series champion, and then we have Alshon Jeffrey in studio. Uh, before we do that, couple ads.

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  Mm-hmm.

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  I just didn't know because it worked so well for the opponent. Okay, so maybe Hank will up, yes.

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  Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. He's a friend of mine. It is World Series champion Eric Hosmer, who is working for NBC, doing, uh, baseball, post-game, pre-game. It's baseball playoffs. Hoz, it's great to have you on. Uh, let's start with this. We're taping this at ten AM on Thursday morning. So we have three of the four series set. The Phillies and the Braves have to play tonight. I know, I don't wanna say like, hey, Hoz, give us a prediction and then have it be wrong, but just tell me what it's like from a player's perspective to go into one of these elimination games and like the vibe going into it and how they're feeling.

• 2:05:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, so right now Philly, man, they're, especially after that game two, that crazy comeback that they had, that's a veteran group in Philly. I feel like they're riding high. They're pretty confident. If I was Atlanta, I'd be a little worried right now. This is one of those situations where like, you're at home field and it's, could be a more of a pressure situation, because Atlanta, man, they had Philly right where they wanted them, six outs to go. I mean, you can see that shot of Bryce Harper during that pitching change. He was devastated, man. You could tell. He was like, man, I feel like I let this one go. And the way his teammates in Philly picked him up, it's almost like destiny at this point. I don't think Philly is gonna lose.

• 2:05:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love that. I love that. Max just took his headphones off. Max took, you took the earmuffs off.

• 2:06:02Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:06:02Speaker 02

  The kiss of death.

• 2:06:03Speaker 00

  Man.

• 2:06:03Speaker 02

  Uh, we can talk about some series that have, that have ended. Uh, I mean, I hope you're right. Selfishly, I hope the Phillies win. I want to see more of Max and, and the way that he handles his team and watching his games in the playoffs. It's fun to watch. Um, but with the series that have ended already, who would you say if I said, um, we'll say the Cubs or the Red Sox? Which one of those two teams do you think should be the most disappointed in their season?

• 2:06:28Speaker 07

  Big Cat. I'm sorry, buddy.

• 2:06:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:06:29Speaker 07

  Big Cat, the Cubs, man. That was a tough, that was a tough series. I think the big thing where the Cubs, where they lost, man, the end of the season, the last couple of weeks, when they lost home field advantage.

• 2:06:39Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:06:39Speaker 07

  And those games went from being at Wrigley Field to now Petco Park. Petco Park, man, that was one of the best environments, if not the best atmosphere I've seen all postseason. I mean, I haven't seen Petco Park that loud since I was getting booed out of there a couple of years ago, boys. And let me tell you, that place, that was an atmosphere, that was an environment. And I, I will say this, Max, you, that club, Philadelphia, you should be all in on that team, man. The way those guys went and picked up Bryce Harper, I mean, that was some good stuff, dude. Max, you're a baseball guy. You know Sanchez comes out of that inning, they get one out, and he's waiting for Bryce at the end of the dugout, top step saying, hey, man, it's okay, pick us up.

• 2:07:17Speaker 07

  And then Schwarber, I mean, he just hits the most baller home runs in the best situations. O-two count goes, Bryce follows. That was a crazy game.

• 2:07:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. All right. So you, you're not wrong. The Cubs was very disappointing, especially when at various points in the season, uh, it felt like this team could really contend, and whether it be through injuries or bad hitting, uh, it just kinda all fell apart. They were just not competitive whatsoever in, like, even the Red Sox were, I, what were they, they were, it was like a two oh game for like five or six innings on, on Tuesday night. The Cubs were essentially out of it right away, uh, both nights. Like, the only inning that we were tied was the first inning of the game two. So, but here's my question, because the Padres are really hot, and looking ahead, Padres, Brewers. The Padres bullpen kinda reminds me of your Kansas City Royals bullpen when you guys won the World Series, where it's like, get us to the sixth, get us to the seventh,

• 2:08:11Speaker 00

  and it just lights out. On the opposing team, how much pressure is on those guys knowing that they are going up, like, hey, if this game is tied or we're losing in the seventh inning, we're basically got no shot. Are they pressing a little more? Like, do you think that's gonna happen to the Brewers?

• 2:08:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, you're pressing for sure, because you're, you're shrinking the game is what you're doing now. When you know Mason Miller is on the back end of that bullpen, it's like, once that fifth or sixth inning comes, it's like, shit, man, we gotta get it going because it's the seventh, eighth inning. And when Mason comes in, no one's scoring off this dude. So that's a real thought. And even Big Cat, if they're tied late in the game, I mean, offensively, when we had Wade Davis and Greg Holland, we're like, dude, we're fine. If we could just scratch one run across, these guys are gonna hold it right there. So that gives you a lot of confidence on the back end of these games, especially these postseason games. You're always seeing, comes down to the wire, it comes down to that big situation late. So you gotta have some power arms back there in the bullpen. Chicago didn't have that, man, and Big Cat, you're right. It seemed like the Cubs really

• 2:09:08Speaker 07

  just never had a shot this series. It was, you know, kinda lifeless.

• 2:09:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:09:12Speaker 07

  It wasn't to them. It wasn't their fault, but that atmosphere in Petco got them, and then Padres did a good job holding PCA down.

• 2:09:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, what is it about Mason Miller in particular that makes him so hard? Because I don't think, since he plays in San Diego, we don't talk about him that much like we would if he played in, in one of the traditional major markets in baseball, but the, the season that he's had in the last couple of years especially, like, he's historically good as a closer, right?

• 2:09:35Speaker 07

  Yes, PMT, that's spot on. That's a great point, because he throws a hundred and five miles an hour, and that's what everybody sees, and it is gas, it's fuel. But his slider, Mason Miller's slider is one of the best pitches in baseball. So, you know, not only are you trying to gear up and get it going for a hundred and five miles an hour, if he sees you kinda cheating as a hitter and trying to get your bat going early, he's just gonna drop that slider on you, and that's the perfect combination. I mean, you've got a hundred and five with a wipeout slider, so there's really nothing you can do. If you're a right-handed hitter, there's just absolutely no chance against Mason Miller.

• 2:10:07Speaker 00

  Okay, so, uh, you actually, uh, we had you on WUB on Tuesday, and you said, the White Sox are just so much better than the Astros. This is, this makes no sense. They were underdogs in the series. Tell me who's gonna win the, uh, Guardians-White Sox series. The White Sox have one of those teams, in my opinion, where it's like every, they have that young, we don't know what we don't know kinda situation where guys are, are playing free, and that's a dangerous, dangerous ball club when it comes to October.

• 2:10:35Speaker 07

  It's dangerous, man. They're young and dumb, dude. I wanna party with that White Sox team so bad. That, Mike Vassal, the Wizard, I mean, that looks like a fun clubhouse. And they're getting to the situation, they're at the point now where those dudes just believe in each other, man. They have so much energy and so much juice in that dugout. When it's late in the game, I mean, these guys want that big moment. You saw last night, game two, they go chase my drop, first and second, there's a fake bunt, they steal second and third, and then he goes deep. I mean, that team is all in, they're not scared, they want that big moment. I think Chicago, man, I love this team, the way that they're rolling into Cleveland right now. Kinda my thing, Big Cat, was these wild card teams that win the series and go and face these teams that have had, often had the buys.

• 2:11:19Speaker 07

  I mean, this is a dangerous situation for Cleveland. You're going five days as a hitter without seeing pitching, so that's tough. Cleveland already can't hit. Now you're going against the White Sox. They're coming in, a young, energetic group. The White Sox, the only thing there is they gotta find ways to hold leads late. Grant Taylor's good, but they need more help in that bullpen.

• 2:11:37Speaker 00

  Sweet. So how, how many days without seeing live pitching do you like kinda feel the rust?

• 2:11:42Speaker 07

  We, you would go home in the All-Star break for three days, come back second half of the season, and you're like, man, I still need a batter to. To get my eyes back to up to speed. So if you're a hitter and you go two days, I'd say that's like kind of finding your timing back all over again.

• 2:11:56Speaker 02

  Interesting. Yeah. And they seem to be having so much fun too. I love the post game celebration like genuinely friends with each other, genuinely having a great time. Where do you stand on celebrations after a wild card round victory? Is this something that doesn't matter? You can be a team like the Dodgers? Go ahead and celebrate if you, if you win a wild card series, not that they would be in it, but like, or is it just, if you're young, enjoy every step along the way?

• 2:12:21Speaker 07

  I'm good with the celebrations, man. I think especially with the White Sox situation. I mean, you're talking about two years ago, this was historically one of the worst teams of all time.

• 2:12:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:29Speaker 07

  So this young group comes and they changed that narrative. They clinched a postseason berth. So I'm all about it, man. I just think the level of how we're partying, obviously we go wild card round, we win that series, we can pop some bottles and party, but we just can't blow it out like we won the world series. You gotta understand, we gotta bounce back in a couple of days and that's kind of the life of a baseball player, man. You mentally, you're playing 162 games. There's days where you just gotta go out there and take the mental part out of it. And I'm not gonna lie, PFT, there are some times where I'm going through a rough time in the season and I'm just saying, all right, I'm gonna go out and have a rough night. The next day, I'm just gonna fight for survival and hopefully I wake up with a couple of hits.

• 2:13:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a good strategy. I do that in golf sometimes too.

• 2:13:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:13:08Speaker 02

  Let's just drink our way out of this. Yeah, it works.

• 2:13:10Speaker 07

  That's it. That's it.

• 2:13:11Speaker 00

  All right. So, so speaking of hitters and like getting your timing too as well, Aaron Judge, is he gonna come back and is he gonna be effective at all? Because it feels like the Yankees with the way Ben Rice is hitting and the fact that they have like three really good starting pitchers, like this does feel a little different for the Yankees than it, than they have in the, in the past few years where they've fallen short.

• 2:13:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, it does feel different and especially this past series with Boston. That was a statement series from the Yankees, man. They protected home field. Aaron Judge, I think either way, if he's in that, on that roster, in that lineup, I mean, that is valuable just because his presence alone, if he's on deck, you're gonna give the guy in front of him pitches to hit. And he just, that's what you do when he game plan, you're game planning in a, a lineup with Aaron Judge in there. I think he's gonna play, man. I really do. Whether that's in that bat off the bench or just DHing, I think he's valuable enough that if he can only hit once or twice throughout the whole series, you gotta have him on that roster. Giancarlo Stanton was the big one that I was wondering why he didn't get in that bat against the Red Sox. They had both leads.

• 2:14:12Speaker 07

  They were up seven or eight runs and you wanna get him alive at bat in that situation because if you need him in a potential big spot later on in the playoffs, you want him already having an at bat. So I was wondering why they didn't give him an at bat to get him going. But if they have him and Aaron Judge off the bench or even just on the roster, that can help a Yankees team that's feeling pretty good about themselves. And then last thing, big cat, sorry, Ben Rice, he's a dude, man. He has solidified himself as a guy. Juan Soto was just in that lineup a couple of years ago and Ben Rice, the season that he's had, I'm not saying he's the same hitter as Juan Soto, but if you look at the season he had this year, those numbers are pretty sweet. They're pretty good.

• 2:14:49Speaker 00

  Who are you picking in that series?

• 2:14:51Speaker 07

  Man, I tell you what, I'm gonna pick the Yankees, man. Especially, I gotta go sit next to C.C. Sebastian again tonight. So I'm definitely picking the Yankees and I think they're rolling, man. I think after that statement series against Boston, I mean, that was two blowouts. That was an ass whoop and I think the Yankees are in a good spot.

• 2:15:07Speaker 02

  Should we say something nice about the Rays though? Because I mean, they are, they did get a bye. The Rays are a good team. They do everything right. I feel like the Rays are a team that nobody ever talks about. But ideally, if you, if you don't have a team that's in a major market, you want them to be run how the Rays have run their organization. They do a great job.

• 2:15:26Speaker 07

  This is the time, this is gonna be the time too where we're gonna watch this series between the Rays and the Yankees and it's like, okay, now the world's gonna find out why the Rays are so good. And it's one of those situations where I feel like people are like, yeah, I haven't seen many games of Tampa and then you go and watch them and you understand why they're so good. They play baseball. They understand like the league trends as the last two years. Teams aren't really valuing defense and now Tampa goes and they build their offense with speed guys. They play small ball. They make the other team play defense. And that was kind of the knock on the Yankees when they played the Dodgers in the World Series. Other than a home run, offensively, they're just one dimensional. They can't really play small ball. They can't defend the field. They're just not athletic.

• 2:16:08Speaker 07

  The Yankees proved that, that they were athletic last series against Boston. And you know, I think Tampa, that's kind of their style. So the Yankees definitely, you know, they fit that style. They're not just one dimensional. It's gonna be a good series. I think the Yankees finally pulled through.

• 2:16:22Speaker 00

  All right. What about the Brewers Padres, which we kind of touched on? The Brewers are really, really good. They piss me off.

• 2:16:30Speaker 00

  I, I don't know what else to say. Like they're really, really good. They, they, they, they're one of those teams that gets the big hits when it matters and they have the starting pitching. So who do you have in that series? Cause the Padres, as good as they looked against the Cubs, they looked incredible. The one thing that might be a weakness when it comes to a five game series, they don't have the part of starting pitching depth, right?

• 2:16:50Speaker 07

  That's right. That's right. The later and later you go on into the playoffs, you know, you go into this five game series, then best of seven, you need pitching depth and that's where the Yankees especially, you gotta have more starters, more bullpen. So that's gonna hurt them, but you're right, the Milwaukee Brewers, man, they've got the depth. San Diego, you're going in. Milwaukee, you got the Miz game one. You gotta figure out how to beat him, man. And Milwaukee, what they do so good, if you look at their lineup on base percentage, I mean, they got seven, eight guys over 340 on base. So that is getting on base at a high level. And when they get on base, they steal, they're athletic. They got two guys that can hit homers. They got superstars. They're really a complete team. Pat Murphy, he's a great manager too. This is gonna be a tough assignment

• 2:17:33Speaker 07

  for the Padres. They definitely have a chance, but Milwaukee can play, man. It's gonna be a good series.

• 2:17:38Speaker 02

  And then I'm looking at the Dodgers against the Phillies. You have the Phillies moving on to the next round. You think the Phillies are capable, Max took his headset off again. Oh, no, man. Threw it down. I feel like the Phillies like, hey, this is a team with a lot of playoff experience. This might be the end of their window. They're playing for something more than themselves. It's like the last hurrah as a unit with these guys. You think the Phillies could take down the Dodgers?

• 2:18:02Speaker 07

  I think that's all true. And yes, I think they can, man, because the, the deeper again, this postseason run gets, the Phillies, they have starting pitching, man. And you go Sanchez, Wheeler, Lusardo, I mean, they have the depth that's starting pitching. And if you remember Sanchez, Christopher Sanchez, he messed up Shohei Ohtani, man. He was throwing him those left on left splitter, changeups, whatever that was in the postseason a couple of years ago. So I really, really think the Phillies can match up well against the Dodgers. The Dodgers historically, if anybody's ever gotten to them, it's been left-handed pitching. The Phillies have some really good lefties, man. And again, that's a veteran group, Rice, Schwarber and those guys, they don't get overmatched. They're not gonna get, you know, overwhelmed by an atmosphere. So

• 2:18:43Speaker 07

  I really do think if Philly holds on and beats Atlanta, especially with this momentum and a crazy comeback, they got a real chance to beat the Dodgers.

• 2:18:49Speaker 00

  There you go, Max. How much, yeah, Max, you got this. He took off his headphones. Can't hear any of this.

• 2:18:54Speaker 07

  Believe Max.

• 2:18:55Speaker 00

  How much in the playoffs, like, is there a moment where you have to take a step back and be like, I'm over analyzing every situation because the, all the information that players have now, I mean, you even look at like you're the famous moment in the World Series when you, or yeah, it was the World Series when you ran on Lucas Duda, knowing like, hey, his arm is not very accurate. I'm gonna like a ground out, they're gonna throw it to first, I'm gonna be able to get home. But is there a moment where you're like, I, I've actually taken in too much information. I just have to go play baseball or what's that balance like in these high leverage situations?

• 2:19:29Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's, and that's kind of why I joke around with the White Sox saying they just need to stay young and dumb.

• 2:19:33Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:19:34Speaker 07

  Because think about it, if you're the Chicago White Sox and you're like, man, like we just had a historically bad season two years ago. We lost 20 games in a row, two different times. Like, how are we gonna possibly turn this around? And that group's just young. They're in the moment, have no idea what's happening. So that's where you really just try and keep it internal, man. You try and keep the information in your clubhouse. You try and simplify it all. Like again, the White Sox yesterday, when you saw that first and second situation, Chase Mydrew was up, there was a pitching change before that. So usually all the offense, you huddle up at the dugout. Mydrew drops a fake bunt, early hold, pulls back, first and second, they steal. So that tells me that team offense, like Will Venable, the manager, was like, dude, just fuck it. Go, trust me.

• 2:20:18Speaker 07

  Trust that this is my read. They got a bunch of young guys that aren't scared. They're saying, all right, you're telling me to go, I'm doing it. So that's perfect. That's the perfect time, this time of year to be young dumb, so to speak. You don't want old veteran guys, you know, if you're the Cubbies, you're going into Peko and you're like, man, this team is rolling, this atmosphere, you're kind of more aware of the situation. So stay young and dumb.

• 2:20:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. What about like adjustments that you make in the middle of series in the playoffs? How do, is that different from like a regular season series? If you're going, you're playing three games in a row against the same team. Is it more minute? Are you getting more down to details? Are there like any extra meetings or notes that you have to go through between games?

• 2:20:57Speaker 07

  Yes. And this is where at the big league level, especially a lot of baseball players or baseball fans get this confused. If you're a hitting coach or a pitching coach at the big league level, it's not so much like, hey, I'm Bregman, I need you to fix my swing. Like something doesn't feel right. Alex Bregman went into that series against Michael King and Padres. He was seven for eight career lifetime against Michael King. Alex Bregman goes. He faces King the first two times and he sees nothing but sweepers. I mean, like eight out of nine sweepers. So if I'm the hitting coach for the Chicago Cubs, that's the time where I'm going to pull Bregman aside and say, hey, man, they're throwing you a lot of spin here. It's a lot of sweepers. Maybe we sit on a breaking ball, big situation. Maybe we look up and in close to us because that breaking ball is going to break over the middle.

• 2:21:39Speaker 07

  So that's the stuff mid game, mid series that you really count on your coaches to pick up on and relay that information to the players.

• 2:21:47Speaker 00

  We were talking on Wednesday's show, Cam Schlittler, he's a hoss. How many hosses are left in, in, in baseball, in the baseball playoffs right now?

• 2:21:56Speaker 07

  Not many, man. Chris Sale, Cam Schlittler. I tell you what, Max, Zach Wheeler, if I am his teammate, I need him running into that office, that manager's office and telling Donnie Baseball, I need the ball. Obviously we're filming this, it's Thursday morning. We don't know who's pitching for Philly, but it's either Wheeler or Nola.

• 2:22:16Speaker 06

  It's Nola. Okay. Nola's getting the ball. I know, I know, I know, I know. Wheeler's never pitched on three days rest before in his career.

• 2:22:25Speaker 07

  I need you pitching on three days.

• 2:22:26Speaker 06

  I know, I know. I would prefer, I would prefer Wheeler as well, but that's, that's what, that's what we're going with.

• 2:22:32Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 2:22:33Speaker 07

  He'll be spikes hot. He'll be spikes on in the bullpen. No panic, Max. We're all right. But I would love to see Wheeler start this game, man. That's, that's where, again, like if I'm Chris Sale, if I'm a C.C. Sebastian, there is no doubt in my mind, those guys are walking into that manager's office and saying, hey, let's not be dumb about this. Give me the ball.

• 2:22:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, if I need, yeah, if I need, if you need an inning out of me, Scoobal obviously is a hoss. Last question before we get to Zach, the Dodgers.

• 2:22:59Speaker 00

  I, I feel like we're not talking about them, but they're just going to win it all again.

• 2:23:04Speaker 07

  Man, it was, I was saying like a week up until the season ended, I was like, all right, the Dodgers, man, like I think they're vulnerable this year. I can see somebody beating them. And then once Mookie got hot, it's like, man, that team, there's no turning back. And again, like you never see the real thing of the Dodgers in the regular season because the last month, they're just gearing up for the postseason. They're going to be dangerous.

• 2:23:25Speaker 00

  And the thing that sucks about the Dodgers, like I mean, we were talking about last night when we were getting depressed in the Cubs street, but like Kyle Tucker's getting hot. Kyle Tucker has no pressure on him in these playoffs because he's like the eighth best player on that team. They're gonna, they're gonna throw some of their starters into the bullpen where they have, I, I know their bullpen is like not, you know, elite, but they'll make it elite because they have all these guys that they can just move around and it like, I, I don't know who's going to come out of their bullpen, but like going back to last year where it's like, oh, Glasnow's coming out of their bullpen. Fuck, that guy's unbelievable. It's just.

• 2:23:57Speaker 07

  It's a ridiculous, it's a rags of riches over there, man. It really is. You got Scoobal, Snell, those are two of the best lefties in the game. It's, it's pretty ridiculous what they got going on over there.

• 2:24:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I agree with Big Cat. It does feel like we're getting, we're getting excited. We're getting romantic about a lot of these teams. We're talking about the Rays playing small ball, how cool that is.

• 2:24:14Speaker 00

  The White Sox are fun and it's just like.

• 2:24:16Speaker 02

  The Dodgers is going to roll in with seven Hall of Famers and win every game 11 to two.

• 2:24:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, that was a good take, Big Cat. Kyle Tucker, man, he had season, he can wipe that all away with one swing, one good game in the playoffs.

• 2:24:28Speaker 00

  He's been playing well. He's starting to see it a little bit and I just was thinking about it. It's like, you know, last year I was, I drove me insane. He was also had a lot of pressure, like he had to do it. And I do think that matters. Like you saw it with PCA and like Bregman, like those guys knew if they don't hit, like the Cubs don't win. I think that pressure does matter a little bit where if you can be the seventh, eighth, eighth guy in a lineup, you're probably swinging a lot freer, knowing like no one's really expecting you to, to come through.

• 2:24:56Speaker 07

  Oh, no question. No question. I mean, PCA, like you're the Cubs. If you lose, you know, you're going to be the subject, the reason why people are talking. Kyle Tucker, there's like eight people in front of me. If you lose, that's going to be the reason. So that's spot on.

• 2:25:09Speaker 02

  I'm looking behind you right now. You've got a gold glove, sick flex. Are those two silver sluggers you got behind you?

• 2:25:15Speaker 00

  Two glass dildos.

• 2:25:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, two giant glass. Yeah. One's vibrating. What is?

• 2:25:20Speaker 07

  I gotta turn that off.

• 2:25:22Speaker 02

  What's the bottle of liquor that you have there?

• 2:25:25Speaker 07

  Yeah. So that was last game with the Kansas City Royals in 2017. A lot of us were free agents and we had all come up the same time in the minor leagues and all that. So that was our last game together. Danny Duffy bought me that bottle. We all got pulled out in like the fourth or fifth inning at Kaufman Stadium. We went up into the clubhouse, man, and we ended up just kind of hanging there for about four or five hours after the game. It was fun, man. Catching up on the good old days.

• 2:25:50Speaker 00

  All right. So are you ever going to open that bottle?

• 2:25:53Speaker 07

  If I win our fantasy football league this year after starting 03, I'm, I'm slugging that thing, Big Cat.

• 2:25:58Speaker 00

  Why won't you trade us Puka? You haven't even replied.

• 2:26:01Speaker 07

  Buddy, I'm balls deep into baseball right now, man.

• 2:26:03Speaker 00

  But you have time right now. So reply, reply. We're, we're giving you some good offers. Just look at the offer.

• 2:26:09Speaker 07

  I need to be better. I need to be better at replying in that fantasy league. I apologize to every member of that league right now.

• 2:26:15Speaker 00

  I appreciate it. All right. Zach, Zach's last question, Roback question, RHO, B A C K dot com. Promo code take 20% off your first purchase, Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com, promo code take.

• 2:26:28Speaker 06

  How do you know? Sorry. Do you have a quick question? You do have 13 seasons under your belt and I know they moved this market, they've moved it a couple of different times. Did you acquire the elusive gold card? And if so, is that something that you use typically or you keep it in the safe?

• 2:26:44Speaker 07

  Zach, I'm a big fan of your program, buddy. First and foremost, dude, I love everything you do. I know it's an early morning for you right now, bro. You have no idea who I am, but I, I love you, Zach. Just know that. I love you, buddy.

• 2:26:57Speaker 07

  Zach, I've never used that gold card in my life, man. I'm not going to lie to you, dude. I definitely have it. And this is, this is not a flex, Zach, again, because I love you and I'm not doing that to you, but I got that World Series ring, man, and I just go up and show it to them, especially when I'm out there in Citi Field. I know there's someone right there next to Mac that doesn't love what I'm saying right now.

• 2:27:19Speaker 07

  I saw that, man. Yeah.

• 2:27:20Speaker 00

  Can you, can you give Zach your gold card?

• 2:27:23Speaker 07

  Zach, that gold card's yours, buddy. Hey, I got a cream team shirt. I'm pissed at myself. I didn't wear it, but that gold card is yours, Zach. I got you.

• 2:27:31Speaker 00

  I love it.

• 2:27:31Speaker 06

  Anytime you need any ice cream, let me know. I got you.

• 2:27:34Speaker 02

  It's a fair trade.

• 2:27:35Speaker 00

  Wait, I got, I got one last question for you because I want to give something to Royals fans who, who forever love you. When you close your eyes at night, what's the one or like daydream, what's the one thing that, that comes back to you? What's the one moment that you think about?

• 2:27:51Speaker 07

  Man, that 2014, that wild card game, man, we were down seven to three against John Lester and the Oakland A's. We won that game. We took a flight all the way to LA Anaheim. We got in at six in the morning, went right to the field. And it honestly, it just seemed like those two years after that, I blacked out. So I'm hoping to keep my eyes closed and just blackout a Kansas City Royal for life, baby.

• 2:28:15Speaker 00

  So that was the beginning of it. That was the, the moment where you're like, hey, this is the start of something that could end up being a World Series and it ended up doing it.

• 2:28:23Speaker 07

  Oh, there was no turning back from there, man. 14 and then 15, we won. And then Kansas City Chiefs after that took over. And it's been no turning back, man. Kansas City turned into title town after that. You better believe it, Big Cat.

• 2:28:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was the start of, of the entire city's championship DVD.

• 2:28:39Speaker 07

  That's right, baby.

• 2:28:40Speaker 02

  They weren't throwing touchdowns to wide receivers until you guys won a, won a World Series.

• 2:28:44Speaker 00

  I, I'll forever disagree with you on this. I still think you should have sent Alex Gordon.

• 2:28:49Speaker 07

  No, no, no, no, no way.

• 2:28:51Speaker 00

  Gotta make him make a play.

• 2:28:53Speaker 07

  No, don't do this to me, Big Cat. Don't do this to me. No way, no way.

• 2:28:58Speaker 00

  Bumgarner's so good. You gotta make him make a play.

• 2:29:01Speaker 07

  Bumgarner is so good, man. That dude was just, just snot rockets all over our field, just completely disrespecting us. What a savage that guy is.

• 2:29:10Speaker 00

  Oh, man. All right, Hoss, you're the best, man. Appreciate it. Everyone tune in. Like I said, he's, he's going to be on NBC in the playoffs and have fun. Give, give John Fanta a little shit for us, okay? He's, he's taking too many sports. He's taken too, he can't be every sport. All right. He's taking too many.

• 2:29:26Speaker 07

  Fanta's, hey, Fanta's the man. He's been taking care of me over there at NBC and Max, let's go. I need you. I need energy out of you tonight, buddy.

• 2:29:32Speaker 06

  Oh, there's going to be energy. I don't know if it's going to be positive or negative, but there will be energy.

• 2:29:37Speaker 07

  That's all we can ask for. It's all we can ask for.

• 2:29:39Speaker 00

  All right. Thanks, Hoss. Appreciate it, man. See you.

• 2:29:41Speaker 07

  Appreciate you, fellas.

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• 2:31:53Speaker 00

  Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is Super Bowl champion, Alshon Jeffrey. He's in studio. We're taping this on Monday. We might run this Friday ahead of the Alshon Bowl, Bears Eagles.

• 2:32:08Speaker 00

  Listen, we got to just cut through it. Like you said some things on your way out of Chicago. Are you, are you rooting for a tie tonight? What are you rooting for?

• 2:32:15Speaker 03

  What did I say?

• 2:32:16Speaker 00

  I mean, you had, you had some quotes, if I remember correctly, about, about, about the Bears in Chicago when you left.

• 2:32:23Speaker 03

  When I?

• 2:32:24Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm going to find them. I'm going to pull them up. I'm pretty sure you said some things.

• 2:32:27Speaker 02

  If you could make a, a brand new quote.

• 2:32:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, make a brand new quote. Do a brand new quote.

• 2:32:32Speaker 03

  I was probably saying that quote.

• 2:32:34Speaker 07

  Probably came from game week to fire myself up.

• 2:32:36Speaker 00

  Okay, alright, that's fair. Inside, yeah, cuz I think it was right before the double doink game.

• 2:32:39Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's what it was.

• 2:32:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, what was the, uh, what was the exact quote? Pull it up, uh, Max, if you can find it. You, you remember the quote?

• 2:32:48Speaker 02

  Not familiar with these quotes, so I'm trying.

• 2:32:50Speaker 07

  I'm just leaning on what, what, what.

• 2:32:52Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, here it is. Chicago is just where I was for work. Terrible soldier field turf, that's fair.

• 2:32:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:59Speaker 00

  Hundred percent have your back on that. But Chicago is just where you were for work.

• 2:33:05Speaker 07

  I was firing myself up.

• 2:33:06Speaker 00

  Okay, that's fair. That's totally fair. That's totally fair. That's totally fair.

• 2:33:10Speaker 07

  But I love Chicago, though. I met some great teammates, um, great people, great fan base, great organization, um, and part of that, I would say, came from, cuz I wanted to be in Chicago forever, but.

• 2:33:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:33:22Speaker 07

  At the time, the,

• 2:33:26Speaker 07

  well, that's the guy who's running the team felt different.

• 2:33:29Speaker 00

  Was it Pace at the time?

• 2:33:31Speaker 07

  Felt different.

• 2:33:31Speaker 00

  Ryan Pace, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's fair. That's actually a completely fair response. If, if they don't want you, then why would you be like, alright, fine, I don't have any love for it?

• 2:33:40Speaker 07

  And you know, I like, like I said, to me, I kinda semi, I took it personal on that. So that's where that probably came from, like, I, so.

• 2:33:47Speaker 02

  I think it's, yeah, that's totally natural. If, if you feel like you're not wanted, if there were, you know, you have to make hard decisions if you're running a football team, but if you feel like you're not wanted there, it's like, well, then fuck you. I'm not gonna like, you know, that's kinda how it is. But, and then also you go to Philly and you have some, some big moments and some, you know, some of the biggest moments in your career for the Eagles. So I could see, I could see why you might say something like that.

• 2:34:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:08Speaker 07

  Philly and, Philly and Chicago, I feel like definitely great football towns, sports towns, like, uh, passionate, passionate fan base. Like I said, like, I definitely didn't wanna leave here. Like, best city in the world to me. Like, I always said, even though I live in San Diego, to me, if I could take San Diego weather and bring it here, I would live here.

• 2:34:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, and you guys, I mean, you, when, when you got drafted, like, your, your first few seasons with the Bears was like, holy shit, we have a real wide receiver that we drafted. You and Brandon Marshall together was awesome.

• 2:34:36Speaker 07

  And we had Marty B.

• 2:34:37Speaker 00

  Yep, Marty B. Marty B. is still like one of the largest humans I've ever seen on a football field. I remember I went to a game and it was on the sidelines of maybe like, twenty fifteen or sixteen, and I was just like, holy fuck, how does anyone tackle this guy? Cuz he was that big of a guy. You see the speed and the difference of a guy like that. When you, when you were here, uh, not to bring up bad memories, but just how, how ridiculous was the Tressman, uh, the ending of the Tressman days? Because that was a true clown show season for the Bears, like, through, you had the leaks, you had Brandon Marshall fighting with Robbie Gold in the locker room. It was like, everything that could have gone wrong went wrong.

• 2:35:15Speaker 07

  Honestly, I'm gonna be, I really wasn't paying attention to whatever the noise was.

• 2:35:19Speaker 00

  That was smart, cuz there was a lot of noise.

• 2:35:21Speaker 07

  Because I, uh, Coach Tressman, like, I loved his offense, like, I mean, we didn't get the wins that we wanted or make the playoffs and stuff like that, but I feel like the first year, we definitely had it rolling.

• 2:35:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:35:33Speaker 07

  Like, we had it rolling.

• 2:35:34Speaker 02

  So who do you think would have won in a fight, Brandon Marshall or Robbie Gold?

• 2:35:40Speaker 00

  And how close were you to that argument?

• 2:35:41Speaker 07

  I wasn't, I wasn't, I didn't know nothing about it.

• 2:35:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, you did. It was a Dolphins game.

• 2:35:45Speaker 02

  I think he could kick, he could kick him really hard.

• 2:35:47Speaker 07

  I didn't know nothing about it, honestly, like, I think, uh, I heard about it afterwards. I wasn't there to really see what was going on between those two.

• 2:35:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I think it's a rule, like, that, that can go across all NFL, even college football, and, and we like Robbie a lot. Uh, he actually did a stream with us a couple of weeks ago. Anytime your kicker is fighting with anyone, a position player, it's probably a bad sign. It's like, hey, we got some issues here.

• 2:36:12Speaker 02

  Something has gone horribly wrong.

• 2:36:13Speaker 00

  Where the kicker feels like they can, they can stand up and be like, you're being a bad teammate.

• 2:36:17Speaker 02

  Coach is right. You're in a bad spot.

• 2:36:22Speaker 07

  Robbie's my guy and B. Marshall's my guy. They both was great teammates to me.

• 2:36:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like both of them.

• 2:36:26Speaker 07

  But I, but I'm sure, um, they probably, B. Marshall probably was hot there. I think we lost that game to the Dolphins.

• 2:36:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:36:33Speaker 07

  And that was his former team. They traded him, so I'm sure he probably was firing himself up within, thinking about that.

• 2:36:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:36:39Speaker 07

  And I don't know, you know, whatever was said, I, I don't know.

• 2:36:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:36:45Speaker 02

  As a guy from South Carolina, did you, uh, did you learn to love bear weather?

• 2:36:49Speaker 07

  Oh, definitely.

• 2:36:51Speaker 02

  You liked it?

• 2:36:51Speaker 07

  I had, no, I had to grow to love it.

• 2:36:53Speaker 02

  Okay. What was, what was like the first time you felt that winter in Chicago?

• 2:36:57Speaker 07

  Man, I looked at my phone. It said negative five degrees. I'm like, do I love football? I'm from the south, like, but then I, then once you get used to it, like, and you couldn't wear no sleeves in practice. It was a rule. Like, it was mandatory that your first couple of years, you couldn't wear no sleeves, cuz we play outside, so you gotta get used to it.

• 2:37:15Speaker 07

  But once you used to it, I feel like, that's my advantage, though.

• 2:37:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:18Speaker 07

  I could play in the cold and we can play in warm weather. A team that's in from warm weather can't play in the cold.

• 2:37:24Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah. What was, what was the coldest weather you'd been in prior to join the Bears?

• 2:37:30Speaker 07

  South Carolina, we lost to, um,

• 2:37:34Speaker 07

  we played in a bowl game against, uh, Connecticut in Birmingham, and it was freezing. That was the coldest game I ever played in that.

• 2:37:41Speaker 00

  That's a tough one to get up for.

• 2:37:43Speaker 07

  And.

• 2:37:44Speaker 00

  That's a tough one to get up for.

• 2:37:46Speaker 02

  Two teams don't like each other. No love lost when, when UConn, South Carolina get together.

• 2:37:51Speaker 07

  The crazy part about the weather, the sun was on their side, the shade was on our side. Everybody on our team, I think it probably was like thirty-five or forty degrees. Everybody on their sideline, no sleeves, no, it was like summertime.

• 2:38:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, and you're playing in like a December before Christmas bowl game. Oh, no one in the stands.

• 2:38:08Speaker 02

  The Spurrier?

• 2:38:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:38:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm sure Spurrier was locked in on that game.

• 2:38:12Speaker 07

  We, and we lost the game too. Coach Spurrier was pissed that, he was pissed.

• 2:38:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:38:16Speaker 07

  But that kinda, I feel like that, that, that year, that game changed our trajectory at South Carolina. That season, that was my freshman season.

• 2:38:22Speaker 02

  What was he like recruiting you? I've heard all the Spurrier stories. He seems like just an all-time hilarious football guy.

• 2:38:29Speaker 07

  I would say, uh, Coach Beamer actually recruited me.

• 2:38:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:38:32Speaker 07

  Shane Beamer, he recruited me. Um, I always kept it real with me and was an honest guy, like with my parents, he stayed in touch with everybody, so, I'm gonna say Coach Beamer recruited me, and I was from South Carolina, so I think it was like,

• 2:38:47Speaker 07

  it's kinda like an easy layup for Coach Spurrier. It's a layup. Cuz I'm from twenty-five minutes from down the road.

• 2:38:52Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, that, that feels like that, that, that's an easy sell. Now, you do have like one of the most famous recruiting stories. And I actually, like, it's awesome because I, I would imagine at this point, you're like, ha, ha, I got all the last, you won a Super Bowl. You had an incredible NFL career, but the story goes that Lane Kiffin told you that if you, if you go to South Carolina, you'll be pumping gas for the rest of your life. What, what, what, first of all, was that true, that he said that? And we know Lane Kiffin.

• 2:39:21Speaker 07

  All right, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say this.

• 2:39:26Speaker 07

  We was all on the phone. I'm not thinking nothing of it, cuz he still recruiting, trying to get me to go to Tennessee.

• 2:39:32Speaker 07

  It's a lot of people, so he let me talk to a few players that played from SC that was in his system. That was his selling point, like, we run the same system as, cuz I was committed to the other, uh, Pete Carroll. Pete was the coach at SC at the time.

• 2:39:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39:43Speaker 07

  So Lane was coming from Oakland, running that system that he ran at SC, and I don't know, the conversation, everything was going smooth. Then someone get on there, it was like people who go to South Carolina end up pumping gas for a living.

• 2:39:56Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:39:57Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:39:58Speaker 07

  Now,

• 2:40:03Speaker 07

  someone else said it.

• 2:40:04Speaker 00

  Oh, not Lane. Okay.

• 2:40:06Speaker 07

  But he didn't check or correct that person, so it's like you said it.

• 2:40:09Speaker 00

  Right, right, right.

• 2:40:10Speaker 07

  So he did say it, that makes sense.

• 2:40:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, he endorsed it, yeah. Anything to get you there.

• 2:40:15Speaker 00

  And then, I mean, I would imagine that was fuel for you, not, no pun with the gas station thing, but that was fuel for you for the rest of your career, being like, people doubted me and thought that I was gonna be nothing, and then I did everything.

• 2:40:25Speaker 07

  I feel, yeah, that, whatever he was, whoever was trying to say that, it landed wrong. But I just took it personal. It wasn't even about sports. It was like people from South Carolina. I just took that like I'm representing the whole state of South Carolina.

• 2:40:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:40:37Speaker 07

  Like, that's just like where, somebody said that about Illinois or being from Chicago.

• 2:40:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:40:42Speaker 07

  Like, you're gonna wear that with pride wherever you go.

• 2:40:44Speaker 00

  It's crazy they said that, being like, they thought it was gonna work. I, like, I, how would that have worked where you're like, that's like a total misread of the room, to be like, yeah, you're, if you stay in the state that you're from, you're just gonna amount to nothing.

• 2:41:00Speaker 07

  That's a crazy thing to say to a kid that's seventeen years old.

• 2:41:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:41:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a lot of, a lot of really good players that stayed in state there that ended up probably not pumping gas. Not to diminish anybody that pumps gas.

• 2:41:12Speaker 07

  Or it's, it's a lot of great players that came from the state of South Carolina before me. I'm just saying, long before me.

• 2:41:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:41:18Speaker 07

  That comment could go to.

• 2:41:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, to all of them too, yeah.

• 2:41:21Speaker 02

  So you get to, uh, you get to South Carolina, and then I, I'm, I'm always curious about Spurrier, cuz he's a guy that I, I feel like we should have on the show at some point.

• 2:41:28Speaker 07

  For sure.

• 2:41:29Speaker 02

  He was so, he was so funny in his press conferences, the way he would just, like, take little digs at other teams and not even acknowledge that he was making fun of him, but then it hits you like a second later, and it's like, that was, that was really, really funny. And then, the amount of golf that he played. I wonder if he played more golf than Hank does. I think he might.

• 2:41:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:41:45Speaker 02

  How many?

• 2:41:46Speaker 07

  I don't think nobody played more golf than Coach Spurrier.

• 2:41:48Speaker 02

  You don't think so?

• 2:41:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, we've heard the rumor that he, would he, sometimes you guys were practicing, he'd be hitting shots on the field next to you?

• 2:41:55Speaker 07

  Uh, and when the Masters, we love when the Masters came out. I mean, that practice get lighter.

• 2:42:02Speaker 07

  Practice is lighter. Coach ain't complaining, he's not tripping as much. We, we in and out.

• 2:42:08Speaker 02

  Should be like chip, like working on a short game during practice or what?

• 2:42:11Speaker 07

  He'll be putting, um, he's everything, like, you'll see him even without the golf ball, like, he'll be on the sideline, no matter where he's at, working on that swing.

• 2:42:23Speaker 07

  It was crazy, but I'm like, he's like, I think one time around, he was like, you should try it. You ever been golfing? Gotta try it. He's not how he is. He's like, yeah, try it one day. I'm like, cuz I had asked, I'm like, what, Coach always be swinging? And they was like, oh, he a big golfer, he loves the golf. We'll be in the meeting rooms.

• 2:42:38Speaker 00

  Swinging.

• 2:42:38Speaker 07

  We get a break, he's swinging.

• 2:42:41Speaker 02

  And you like that offense that he ran? Cuz it, it is like a very friendly offense, especially at the college level.

• 2:42:46Speaker 07

  I love the offense. I think Coach Spurrier probably one of the greatest play callers of all time, like, like, he, if he called up a play and dialed it up, like, it always, most times, it was like a ninety percent chance it worked.

• 2:42:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:57Speaker 07

  He was detailed with little things, but great, a genius coach. Like, if we, if we get you in a perfect coverage of the touchdown, and then every once in a while, if we are, he had. Put up the play, the same play we just ran. He'll pull up the tape from Florida.

• 2:43:15Speaker 07

  That's why Danny for war for my favorite player, shit. I need more Danny's, that's what, that's what he used to say, like, it'd be the same exact play, he'd be like, see?

• 2:43:24Speaker 07

  Ball thrown, caught, I told you, like, that's how he was.

• 2:43:27Speaker 00

  That's how it works, yeah. Uh, I, I want to talk about the, your Eagles run, because it was, I mean, your, your Super Bowl, like, your playoffs in the 2017 season, you were on fire. Were you, like, did you, were you locked into a point where, because I think you had, what, three touchdowns in that playoff run? Feel like you caught everything. Did you, did you have that confidence of like, I'm just playing at my best football right now?

• 2:43:48Speaker 07

  I definitely did.

• 2:43:49Speaker 00

  Because it's like, it's, it's always great when a guy's playing his best football at the best time, and it's like, it all comes together.

• 2:43:55Speaker 07

  Like, uh, I felt like, we, we had, that season was going so well, we was rolling. And I, I feel like just, that was probably one of my best seasons, like, just really locking in, like, we really locked in, like, everybody on the team was locking in. But definitely far as on the offense, like, it, it was a perfect match.

• 2:44:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:44:11Speaker 07

  Like, we had so many mismatches, like, so if you look at our team, everybody, like, you could, who was, you was going to double.

• 2:44:16Speaker 00

  Right. And, and you also had, I mean, obviously, the, the Carson Wentz injury, what happens in the locker room and like, it, it? Any, most teams, if you go to your backup, you're, you're kind of screwed. That's just how it is in the NFL. There's only, I mean, there's 32 starting jobs and what, half of them probably aren't even good. So to have a good backup, were you guys, like, don't miss a beat, or was there a moment where you're like, alright, fuck? Carson Wentz is having an MVP-type season, and now we're going to Nick Foles, this could be a problem.

• 2:44:45Speaker 07

  Nah, I never, we never wavered from that. I thought about that. It was just like, you gotta pick your brother up, it was all season. We, if you go look at the stats that whole year, we had the most injuries in the league.

• 2:44:54Speaker 00

  That's crazy.

• 2:44:55Speaker 07

  We had the most injuries in the league, but it was always next man up. Uh, so when Nick got in there, I feel like, it probably, he probably definitely had some jitters. And we probably like, I always see what Nick gonna do, or what, how to play calls, and go on and go.

• 2:45:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:45:10Speaker 07

  And, uh, I feel like throughout the game, we stuck with it, and Nick made a few throws, him and Nelson was working on the RPOs, because that was big, we was doing a lot of RPO, and him and Nelson was having that chemistry back and forth. And then the more Nick got comfortable, it was the next game we played the Giants. That's when I knew, like, the first play of the game, whatever the first, the call was, he scratched it and caught, changed it to something that wasn't, I don't even think it was on a call sheet. But I'm like, oh shit, like, alright.

• 2:45:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:45:38Speaker 07

  Like, this, like, we don't, we about to get it going.

• 2:45:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:45:41Speaker 07

  And I feel like it was just all about, like, we all was together, though. That was the most, that team is the most I ever seen grown men hang out together. It was like, as we was in college. I feel like 30 or 40 of us, we all did everything together.

• 2:45:54Speaker 00

  That's awesome.

• 2:45:55Speaker 02

  Chris Long on that team?

• 2:45:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:45:57Speaker 07

  Yeah, shout out, shout out to C. Long, shout out to.

• 2:45:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, he probably tried to get everybody to smoke marijuana in the locker room. Probably brought in and announced that stuff, passing around like it was Christmas.

• 2:46:06Speaker 00

  Chris Long actually, uh, had your back, because there was that controversy on, like, the anonymous source stuff about Carson Wentz. And we had Chris Long on during that run, and he was like, Alshon, well, because people were pointing fingers at you, and Chris Long's like, Alshon wouldn't say that, like, that he's not that type of guy. So, that, that's gotta be weird to have, like, I, I know Philly's a crazy sports town.

• 2:46:28Speaker 07

  It is.

• 2:46:28Speaker 00

  To have anonymous sources, and then people pinning it on you to be like, it was Alshon who said that.

• 2:46:32Speaker 07

  I mean, it is what it is, bro.

• 2:46:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:46:34Speaker 07

  I mean, like, uh, unfortunately, like, we didn't get the results that we wanted that year.

• 2:46:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:46:41Speaker 07

  So, you know? Like, I feel like, uh, like, as you see in the media from the past couple of years.

• 2:46:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:46:49Speaker 07

  You know, everything that's going on, what they saying about, wait, this person don't like each other, this and that, like, we winning games.

• 2:46:57Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:46:57Speaker 07

  What are we talking about?

• 2:46:58Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 2:46:59Speaker 07

  We talking about this and that, but we winning games.

• 2:47:01Speaker 00

  But that is also very distinctly Philadelphia. Max is from Philadelphia, diehard Eagles fan. Uh, I feel like Eagles fans, like, when they don't have anything, when you're winning games, and they don't have anything to complain about, they're like, what the fuck? Like, we gotta, we have to have something to be angry about. They get, they, they need, like, the, the passion, the fire somewhere. Is that not wrong, Max? You need something.

• 2:47:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, Philly's an interesting spot.

• 2:47:24Speaker 00

  Oh, you want to put on your headphones?

• 2:47:25Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 2:47:26Speaker 00

  Max, do you have a question for Alshon? Oh, he's putting on his headphones.

• 2:47:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, I do. Uh, you've been doing a little bit of media today, people are picking up that you said that Jalen Hurts is the best quarterback in the NFL.

• 2:47:38Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:47:40Speaker 06

  Um, I want, obviously, you have high praise for Jalen Hurts. You only played with him for one year. Um, I, it was just that short overlap there. Could you tell that there was something different about Jalen Hurts, even as a rookie in the locker room?

• 2:47:53Speaker 07

  Rang Jalen special, like, uh, as a human being, like, he's special, like, he listens, uh, he want to soak up as much game as he can learn from veterans or whoever, like. Uh, obviously, his history of coming from being a well-coached, going to a lot of, I mean, going from Oklahoma, I mean, from Bama to Oklahoma, those two great programs, great coaches that coached him. Uh, coming into the NFL, like, his rookie year, like, and OTAs, he was turning a lot of heads.

• 2:48:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:48:20Speaker 07

  He was, uh, he was, he was spinning that ball, he was spinning it, and he was turning a lot of heads, like. So, this year, I feel like, yeah, to me, yeah, Jalen is the best quarterback in the NFL. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I may be biased, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna stamp that, I'm gonna ride on that, because look at the statistics, against any quarterback, and I'm sure besides Mahomes, but other than that, look at the statistics, and even, I would say, playing against each other.

• 2:48:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:48:47Speaker 07

  He outplayed, I'm not knocking, I'm not comparing the two, but he's outplayed.

• 2:48:50Speaker 00

  In the two Super Bowls, he did, yeah.

• 2:48:51Speaker 07

  He's outplayed him.

• 2:48:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a fact.

• 2:48:54Speaker 02

  What about Josh Allen?

• 2:48:55Speaker 07

  I'm still taking Jalen Hurts.

• 2:48:57Speaker 02

  Okay, alright. Max, who would you take, Josh Allen or Jalen Hurts?

• 2:48:59Speaker 06

  Jalen Hurts, that's my guy.

• 2:49:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:49:01Speaker 06

  He's gotta take him.

• 2:49:02Speaker 07

  I'm, come on, man. Fresh Prince of Philly now, come on, man.

• 2:49:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true, that's true. What, what was your weirdest, uh, interaction with, with Philadelphia sports fans, when you figured out, like, okay, these people are, they care a lot?

• 2:49:14Speaker 07

  No, I think they kind of remind me of back home, like, South Carolina. Like, they passionate about their sports and stuff like that, so I don't really think it was nothing weird about that, like, I just like that. If you passionate about it, keep it real, and just tell me how it is, I'm okay with that.

• 2:49:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:49:26Speaker 07

  Just don't get, Philly fans, don't get physical tonight, uh, in the future.

• 2:49:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:49:32Speaker 07

  In the future, I, I'm not condoning that, because they, that's the only thing, I feel like they fans get a little bit more rowdy.

• 2:49:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, a little physical.

• 2:49:39Speaker 02

  And I do think that, that team was, they were special. There were so many different memorable moments and storylines and, and players on that team, that it is one of those Super Bowl-winning teams that, like, it will always stand out in, like, football history. You can look back and, and think about that team and their coach. Um, how, how much ice cream did he give you guys the night before the game? He loved his ice cream, right?

• 2:50:02Speaker 07

  Uh, I ain't get no ice cream, but yeah, Coach loved his ice cream, you know?

• 2:50:05Speaker 02

  That was like the number one thing, he's like, we finally, we made it to the end of the week, ice cream.

• 2:50:09Speaker 00

  Ice cream forever.

• 2:50:10Speaker 02

  Let's go, boys.

• 2:50:10Speaker 07

  Get you some scoops, couple scoops of ice cream.

• 2:50:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:50:14Speaker 02

  It's a good treat. Were you, were you confident going into that Super Bowl?

• 2:50:17Speaker 07

  Yeah, I was very confident. True story is, the only reason I was, I was so confident, because on the Bears, the year before, the 28-3 team, I mean, I'm not catching screes, I'm sorry, Atlanta, but that team, we dominated them on the Bears that year.

• 2:50:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:50:33Speaker 07

  In our training camp, we dominated them, like, every, every week, every game, I, I mean, every day of practice, I feel like we won that.

• 2:50:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:50:41Speaker 07

  So I'm like, alright, when I got to Philly, and is there the match, I'm like, I was thinking about from when we played them in the OT, I know teams change, but I'm like, oh no, this team here, we got a lot more weapons, but also, nobody giving us a chance.

• 2:50:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:50:54Speaker 07

  Ain't nobody giving us a chance, like, well, we got to lose.

• 2:50:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. Were you shocked when Malcolm Butler wasn't playing? Because I assumed the whole week, you planned on playing, a lot, you know, Malcolm Butler would line up, you know, against you or against another wide receiver throughout the game, and then you show up, and he's not on the field?

• 2:51:12Speaker 07

  Um.

• 2:51:13Speaker 00

  Like, what was that, was there a conversation, like, in the huddle or on the sideline, after the first series, being like, hey, Malcolm Butler's just not on the field?

• 2:51:21Speaker 07

  I think Bill was a smart coach, that, uh, he seen that year before, that, uh, we practiced against him, and I definitely, uh, it wasn't a

• 2:51:31Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:51:31Speaker 07

  Wasn't a good, um.

• 2:51:33Speaker 00

  Matchup for him?

• 2:51:34Speaker 07

  Yeah, it wasn't a good matchup.

• 2:51:35Speaker 00

  Oh, that would be interesting, because everyone keeps looking for an answer. What if the answer was just simply Alshon Jeffrey would have eaten Malcolm Butler's lunch? That could have been the answer.

• 2:51:44Speaker 02

  Bill being a great coach.

• 2:51:45Speaker 07

  He's a great coach.

• 2:51:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:51:47Speaker 07

  I'm not saying it, but it, something else could have stemmed from

• 2:51:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:51:50Speaker 07

  They could have had some friction over there, I don't know.

• 2:51:52Speaker 02

  Do you remember?

• 2:51:53Speaker 00

  But also, you would have, you, you dominated him in practice.

• 2:51:56Speaker 02

  You remember what that stat line was like, out of that practice?

• 2:51:59Speaker 07

  Oh shit, I ain't got the pass.

• 2:52:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:02Speaker 07

  Um, I'm not.

• 2:52:03Speaker 02

  I like this theory.

• 2:52:04Speaker 00

  Yes, this is a new theory.

• 2:52:06Speaker 02

  No one's ever thought about it.

• 2:52:07Speaker 00

  Everyone's been digging for this forever.

• 2:52:08Speaker 02

  I'd like to apologize to you for not having come up with this idea, like, that's, that's us thinking less of you as a wide receiver, which we shouldn't have done.

• 2:52:16Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:52:16Speaker 02

  We've all been wondering, oh, what happened behind the scenes? No, it's just because that's a matchup nightmare for Malcolm Butler.

• 2:52:22Speaker 07

  Go, if, if they got the tape and the film, but I feel like

• 2:52:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:52:26Speaker 07

  all our receivers, we dominated that whole week, too. Not only, we all dominated like that week, like, we took, we took it as, like, we playing against a Super Bowl champs, we gotta see what they got.

• 2:52:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:52:36Speaker 07

  True story, the first play, we going one-on-ones, uh, me and Logan Ryan going against each other, I'm like, cool. But, you know, there's so many receivers, you know how training camp, you got like 15 receivers, so we split up lines. Half cornerback's go over here, first day. I run a route, uh, run a route, whatever. He came, he ran from, uh, over from the other side, he's like, Jeffrey, you up next? I felt like he, like, challenged me. So I'm like,

• 2:53:07Speaker 07

  did he say, Jeffrey, you up next? Next like he trying to tell me, I'm like, oh Jay, I'm up next. I got a go ball. I'm letting you know where my route was. I felt like he probably didn't, but I felt like he was trying me. I'm like, oh. Say it, Moss.

• 2:53:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:53:21Speaker 07

  Every one on one route, never lost.

• 2:53:24Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 2:53:24Speaker 07

  Every receiver. I don't think we dropped the ball. They weren't from press coverage.

• 2:53:30Speaker 07

  Everybody back.

• 2:53:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 2:53:32Speaker 02

  Was there, was there one cornerback that you, I don't want to say struggled against, but you look at back and you're like that, those are good matchups. Equally matched talents going at each other.

• 2:53:42Speaker 07

  I feel like, uh, I played against a lot of great cornerbacks. Um, I think Darius Slay was one of the great ones. Uh, Jason Farret.

• 2:53:51Speaker 07

  Obviously Stefan.

• 2:53:56Speaker 07

  It was somebody I was talking about the other day. Akeem Tleek, me and him used to have some battles. He was pretty tough, but me and him used to have some battles. I feel like it's a lot of cornerbacks in the league that was pretty good that had some battles with that. We can go back and forth. But I mean, they got the best of me. I got the best of them. I'm cool with that.

• 2:54:13Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Did you, uh, did you like playing with Jay? Because I mean, like I said, the, the, you, I think you have the record for most receiving yards uh, in a game for the Bears. Not exactly illustrious history for Bears wide receivers, but having you and Brandon Marshall that those years is like, this offense, like this is crazy. We actually can throw the ball and Jay, I would imagine like he would tell you like, hey, just get, like get down there and I'll throw it up to you because he, he'd take risks all the time.

• 2:54:40Speaker 07

  I mean, man, Jay had the chemistry. Like once, once we figured out like just throw it up or.

• 2:54:46Speaker 07

  Like the communication was, it was slight, like a little signal, thumbs up. That means. We about to, uh, it could be slant and go.

• 2:54:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:54:53Speaker 07

  He playing inside. I'm looking at Jay. Yeah, that ain't gonna work.

• 2:54:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:54:59Speaker 07

  Like we had that type of chemistry and, um, Jay, this was Jay would say, he was like, I play quarterback. I can't see it from your point of view because out here, this is an air condition. I could, an air condition. I could tell you what I want you to do. But you do your thing first. Whatever you're gonna run your route, however you run it, I'm gonna find you and you just get open, get in this window and space like that. Like he was communicating like that. And if you, if it didn't work out your way, then let's do it my way.

• 2:55:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:55:24Speaker 07

  That's how it was. It was, and that was easy.

• 2:55:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. And his arm, I mean, he could make every throw.

• 2:55:30Speaker 07

  I feel like, uh, Jay could be on the baseball field right now. He could be some like closer still today. I feel like.

• 2:55:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:55:36Speaker 02

  Insane arm. Was there, um, was there an arc that you had to, uh, drawing passer interference penalties?

• 2:55:43Speaker 02

  I think the great ones, they, they figure out a way sometimes when they know they're not going to catch it, still try to get that flag.

• 2:55:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, I definitely will pull you closer to me. It's a little technique that if I grab you, see my thing was if I can grab your wrist, I got control of you. So I can pull you to me.

• 2:55:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:55:58Speaker 07

  So most time DB is gonna panic.

• 2:56:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:00Speaker 07

  They ain't, they can't see the ball. They don't know where it's at. But in, uh, I feel like nine times, times you know you, I'm, I got a better chance of catching the ball, but I don't know why they always just panic. But when I just can't catch the ball, I'm like, yo, what's the angle the referee can see? It's all different angles. He may not concede yet, but the one over here can see this. So whoever can give me the call. Cause you know, you got it back and the side judge. I mean, what up over here on this side. So I used to always look at where the referees at too, when the ball is in the air.

• 2:56:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I think, uh, a lot of times like refs don't look at the wrist. You're right. They don't look at where the wide receiver is like grabbing beforehand.

• 2:56:36Speaker 07

  As you see a lot of calls this weekend.

• 2:56:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:56:39Speaker 07

  It could have been a lot of OPIs, but it could have been.

• 2:56:43Speaker 02

  How did you learn what the line was? Cause you had, they called you for a few OPIs, right? Like at the start of your career.

• 2:56:49Speaker 07

  Oh no, some, some of them I knew for sure. I'm like, I can't let you get an interception.

• 2:56:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:56:53Speaker 07

  Some of those like nah, no interception.

• 2:56:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, I forgot. So I, I started with you when you said you were just in Chicago for work, but you also had an incredible quote that I don't think's ever been done. When you were after the season in 26, uh, when you were still technically a bear, you said, I guarantee you, we're going to win the Superbowl next year. Then you went to the Eagles and you won a Superbowl that next year. I don't, has that ever been done?

• 2:57:21Speaker 07

  Come on Vegas.

• 2:57:22Speaker 00

  To say.

• 2:57:23Speaker 07

  Vegas, I told you.

• 2:57:24Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 2:57:25Speaker 02

  One time in sports history that I can remember, it's when Bryce Harper left the Nationals and when he signed with the Phillies, he said, I came here because I want to bring a World Series title to Washington DC. And he's like, oops, no, I meant Philly.

• 2:57:37Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 2:57:37Speaker 02

  And then the Nationals got the World Series next year.

• 2:57:39Speaker 00

  But it's pretty incredible that you, you called your shot. It wasn't with the Bears, but you did say you're, you guarantee you're going to win the Superbowl next year and then you did.

• 2:57:47Speaker 07

  That's how passionate I was and that's how much I wanted to stay. I was talking about the Bears. I was confident I was coming back.

• 2:57:52Speaker 00

  And then you got traded to the Eagles. You're like, all right, still stands, gonna win a Superbowl. That's pretty fucking cool.

• 2:57:58Speaker 02

  That is cool.

• 2:58:01Speaker 00

  That's pretty fucking cool. The double doink was, I mean, that, that sucked.

• 2:58:05Speaker 02

  Did you feel bad when that happened?

• 2:58:07Speaker 00

  You had to feel a little bad.

• 2:58:08Speaker 02

  Like, oh man, like, oh man.

• 2:58:09Speaker 00

  Another team.

• 2:58:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was.

• 2:58:11Speaker 07

  I mean, yeah, at the same time, because I feel like.

• 2:58:15Speaker 00

  You knew everyone on the Bears team.

• 2:58:16Speaker 07

  Yeah. On the flip side, if the Bears don't play us historically, they probably go to the Superbowl.

• 2:58:21Speaker 00

  That defense.

• 2:58:22Speaker 07

  Cause we was coming, we came in hot because we had, we won like six games in a row. So we came in hot. But if they didn't, if they didn't play us, I think historically they would have won this. I think they would have won the Superbowl that year.

• 2:58:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, we, we had a.

• 2:58:34Speaker 07

  I had one of the best defense ever.

• 2:58:36Speaker 00

  Yeah. Incredible defense. Um, I have a question real quick about your, uh, other sport, basketball.

• 2:58:42Speaker 07

  Yes, sir.

• 2:58:43Speaker 00

  So I don't know if this is correct. Uh, there's conflicting reports. You did win four state titles. It says that you were 126 and one in high school basketball.

• 2:58:55Speaker 07

  That's correct.

• 2:58:56Speaker 00

  What happened with that one game?

• 2:58:58Speaker 07

  This is my freshman year.

• 2:58:59Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:59:00Speaker 07

  We lost in a Christmas tournament. Uh, the team that won the championship, we lost that game.

• 2:59:07Speaker 07

  It's just unfortunate. I feel like that kind of took us on a run and like, oh, we can't lose no more.

• 2:59:12Speaker 00

  Wait, so you, so it was your freshman year. So you, I, I don't know how many games in a season, but you like, if you did like quick math, you went like 115 and oh, after you lost that game. Something, somewhere around there. That's insane. Did you?

• 2:59:28Speaker 07

  We, we was like on a, um, 80 game winning streak. I played in the All-Star game. Or 88 games, even 80 or 88 game winning streak. I played in the All-Star football game. And we lost, we, our streak had ended. I'm not saying that was the fact, it was meant to happen that, you know, streaks is gonna end.

• 2:59:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. But yes, 126 and one, when you were on the court, was it just like, did you just dominate everyone? That must've been the most fun ever.

• 2:59:54Speaker 07

  I think, uh, my high, shout out to Coach Frederick, uh, and Coach Zam and, um, Coach Aduly, which they brothers. They do a good job in our program since I feel like five years old. So imagine me and you at five years old, we doing drills. We all do the same drills. Cause in my, where I'm from, every kid, it was like a summer camp, but everybody used to like to go to the gym and play against each other. But we had fun games, but it was somewhere we all looked forward to going to. So imagine from five to all the way to high school, we go, we go.

• 3:00:24Speaker 00

  They're coaching.

• 3:00:25Speaker 07

  We running the same plays as the high school from five years old.

• 3:00:28Speaker 00

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 3:00:29Speaker 07

  So I know your strength. So it's your night. You can have 40.

• 3:00:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:00:33Speaker 07

  So it's like, and we know, and we press, we play, uh, defense. So it was like, it was easy for us. I feel like we all had the chemistry.

• 3:00:40Speaker 00

  101 straight wins. Do you, what, what was the most you scored in a game?

• 3:00:46Speaker 07

  In high, um,

• 3:00:49Speaker 07

  I don't know. Honestly, the most I ever scored in a real, in a game was AAU. I scored 40.

• 3:00:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:00:55Speaker 07

  But on my high school team, uh, we always was winning by 40.

• 3:00:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:00:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. So they, they take you out?

• 3:01:01Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 3:01:01Speaker 00

  So would you even like, when you were getting, like you'd show up to a game and you'd be like, all right, here's another game that we're going to win by four. Did it get boring at any point?

• 3:01:08Speaker 07

  Nah, it was competitive because our first team and third string week, like in practice, you didn't play. So he, he would mix the teams up. So the first string don't play together on the same team.

• 3:01:17Speaker 00

  Right. Right. So the practices were harder than the game.

• 3:01:20Speaker 07

  Than the game. The practice is real.

• 3:01:22Speaker 00

  That's so awesome. So yeah, the games were fun.

• 3:01:24Speaker 07

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like we looking at, one time I, I couldn't believe we beat this school that bad, but I had to ask my coach. I'm like, coach. Yeah. While we, um,

• 3:01:36Speaker 07

  we kind of like be embarrassing people like, and I ain't saying it like that, but I had to ask him. He was like, when I first started coaching, they used to beat the hell out of me and they ain't had no sympathy. And then I, I'm like, you're right. You gotta learn from it.

• 3:01:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:01:51Speaker 07

  Cause we played this one school to score. I remember it was 144 to 21.

• 3:01:55Speaker 00

  Oh my God. Do you still hoop at all?

• 3:01:58Speaker 07

  Sometimes.

• 3:01:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:00Speaker 02

  You think about playing in, in college?

• 3:02:01Speaker 07

  I thought about it.

• 3:02:03Speaker 00

  Did you get recruited anywhere?

• 3:02:04Speaker 07

  I did.

• 3:02:04Speaker 00

  Where, by who?

• 3:02:05Speaker 07

  The crazy story, University of Florida was my first scholarship in eighth grade. Joe Canola and, uh, that team that you, when they went to back to back. I went to camp that year to their camp and got a scholar. Billy Donovan gave me a scholarship.

• 3:02:16Speaker 00

  No way.

• 3:02:17Speaker 02

  Why, why'd you decide on football? Like that's, that was a great team.

• 3:02:20Speaker 07

  I mean, my high school coach, uh, coach, shout out to Coach Walt Wilson. He recruited me every day. He was my history coach. He was like, uh, everybody in the NBA, like six, five, six, seven, you know, you, you probably going to be a point guard. But he's like, you six, three, six, four. The average height of a defensive back and wide receiver is like five, 11. I'm like, all right.

• 3:02:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:39Speaker 07

  We think about that.

• 3:02:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:40Speaker 02

  Good point.

• 3:02:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, that is.

• 3:02:41Speaker 02

  I think it worked out for you.

• 3:02:42Speaker 07

  That would change my perspective about it.

• 3:02:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. You probably, if you'd gone to Florida, maybe we wouldn't know Matty Walsh's name.

• 3:02:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:49Speaker 02

  Right?

• 3:02:49Speaker 00

  True, although he was before.

• 3:02:51Speaker 02

  Oh, was he?

• 3:02:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was before Joakim and those guys.

• 3:02:53Speaker 02

  Paved the way.

• 3:02:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:02:55Speaker 00

  That's, I mean, that's crazy. Eighth grade to get a scholarship to the national champion Florida Gators. That's gotta feel good.

• 3:03:02Speaker 07

  Yeah. I mean, I, cause I didn't really play football. I was like until 11th grade, a junior year in high school.

• 3:03:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:03:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:03:08Speaker 00

  That's awesome.

• 3:03:09Speaker 02

  What was that like? You obviously knew that, I'm sure that you had coaches that asked you all the time, hey, when are you going to start playing football? When are you going to start playing football? Did you know that you were going to wait till your junior year, like minimize the amount of hits that you were taking out there or what? Was it just like time?

• 3:03:23Speaker 07

  I actually went out there, went for a game in my sophomore year and they lost the game, but I scored a touchdown. I'm like, oh nah.

• 3:03:31Speaker 07

  I don't lose.

• 3:03:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:03:33Speaker 07

  And our team wasn't together. It wasn't together like, like basketball. Our basketball team was more together and then the next year. I feel like, uh, I'm like, you can get this another try. Let me get a try. And I feel like with anything, the more you get better at it and practice, the sky's the limit. So that's how that went and I just stuck with it. I, I stopped playing football, basketball full time. I'm going on football. I'm going to football council. I don't want to do more, no more AAU. I'm just all football.

• 3:03:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. Good choice. Um, all right. Well, this has been awesome, Alshon. We appreciate you coming by. Uh, Zach, do you have a last question? Roback question, R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. Hit them with it, Zach.

• 3:04:14Speaker 02

  I did have a quick question. I know going into that 2017 season in training camp, you do tear a rotator cuff. Was the decision to always play through that? Or was it like, you saw this, the season kind of heating up and you knew where you guys could go. So it's like, now I gotta play the whole time? Or what was like, could you maybe walk us through like week to week? Was there ever any doubts you were going to come out? Or was always play the season through and go get the ring?

• 3:04:34Speaker 07

  Well, I called my, uh, my physical therapist. Shout out to Dave Reeve. Matt Forte, shout out to Matt. Matt hooked me up with him. I was working on the whole, he's, he's actually here from Chicago.

• 3:04:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. He lives down the street. Yeah. He's come by the office.

• 3:04:44Speaker 07

  Great physical therapist.

• 3:04:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:04:48Speaker 07

  He, uh, I called him. He was the first person I called. I'm like, I did X, Y, Z. I'm like, you think I could be able to play with this? You think you could help me? And he's like, yeah, we can make it work. And I was shout out to, I will say the Eagles did a great job. They staffed too. And all this like working behind the scenes, like we put it together and like, it was a great, uh, it's great. Yeah. It all worked out. When it first happened, I was like, it was a lot of pain. But once I got used to it, I'm like, if I can lift up my arm and do certain things, I'm gonna be all right.

• 3:05:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. So did you ever have the surgery?

• 3:05:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, I did.

• 3:05:20Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, that, the recovery from that is such a pain in the ass, isn't it?

• 3:05:23Speaker 07

  My shoulder still hurt today.

• 3:05:24Speaker 00

  It's like the first six months, you can't move your arm at all.

• 3:05:28Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's, it's, I don't wish that on no one. Yeah. I feel like, I don't know what, if I should have not had this, I feel like, once I got used to the pain, I feel like it was, I should, I got the surgery?

• 3:05:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:05:37Speaker 07

  That's how I feel now. Cause I feel like it's hurt, it, it bothers me more now than.

• 3:05:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:05:45Speaker 07

  So.

• 3:05:45Speaker 00

  You got the ring. Yep. You got the ring.

• 3:05:48Speaker 07

  Oh yeah, for sure.

• 3:05:48Speaker 00

  Flags fly, fly forever, right?

• 3:05:50Speaker 07

  No, and I was gonna say on the flip side, yeah. I was on a one year deal. So I'm like, oh no, this can't happen. I can't end my season like that.

• 3:05:56Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, all right. Well, Alshon, this has been awesome, man. Really appreciate you stopping by and, uh, wait, who are you rooting for tonight? I know we're going to run this later, but.

• 3:06:05Speaker 07

  Tonight I got, um.

• 3:06:07Speaker 00

  You're rooting for the Eagles. It's okay.

• 3:06:09Speaker 07

  I'm gonna say this, the Bears established the run game. I think it's maybe a long night for the Eagles.

• 3:06:14Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:06:15Speaker 07

  Uh, Eagles can stop the run. It's gonna be an interesting game because we've got the crowd effect. It's gonna be, it's when I say we, it's everybody.

• 3:06:23Speaker 00

  All right. So, so when you say Jalen Hurst is your number one quarterback in the NFL, where do you rank Case Keenum?

• 3:06:30Speaker 07

  Case is a, Case is a seasoned veteran.

• 3:06:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh yeah. Here we go.

• 3:06:37Speaker 07

  But, uh.

• 3:06:39Speaker 02

  Can't discount experience.

• 3:06:40Speaker 07

  Yeah. He got experience.

• 3:06:41Speaker 00

  This is gonna be fun running this.

• 3:06:42Speaker 02

  A lot of experience.

• 3:06:43Speaker 00

  Case Keenum shocks the world. This will be fun running this.

• 3:06:44Speaker 02

  He's got a ton of experience.

• 3:06:45Speaker 07

  He got experience now.

• 3:06:46Speaker 00

  I don't think Case Keenum's gonna shock the world.

• 3:06:48Speaker 02

  Like decade of experience.

• 3:06:49Speaker 07

  So, but the run game, I will say the Bears gonna lie heavy on the run game. Third down is gonna be big. Eagles, they go down and score a few drives, things could get out of hand. So.

• 3:07:01Speaker 00

  So non pick. I like that. That was smart. You can't. It's your two teams.

• 3:07:06Speaker 07

  But playing, I would say giving to a third string quarterback, I'm going with, uh, the Eagles.

• 3:07:11Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:07:11Speaker 07

  So I'm going with the Eagles.

• 3:07:13Speaker 02

  If you were to look at, um, all the quarterbacks from that draft a couple of years ago, you got, uh, Caleb, you got Jaden, you got Drake, you got, uh, J J McCarthy, Michael Pennix, Bo Nix. Out of those guys, how would you put them right now? And like, in terms of guys that you would want to play with?

• 3:07:31Speaker 07

  Okay. I think, I think they are super, super talented. They all got the opportunity to mo, if you get some more experience, some experience or culture is different and being a coach is different. But obviously I would say, uh, I'm going with the Iceman first.

• 3:07:47Speaker 00

  There we go.

• 3:07:48Speaker 07

  I'm going with the Iceman first, man.

• 3:07:49Speaker 00

  Okay. There you go. Who's number two?

• 3:07:54Speaker 07

  Number two, I will say Bo can spin it.

• 3:07:57Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:07:58Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 3:07:59Speaker 07

  Bo can spin it.

• 3:08:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Number three?

• 3:08:02Speaker 07

  Three, I'm gonna have to go, uh, I'm gonna go with Jaden.

• 3:08:06Speaker 00

  Okay. All right. Good. Yeah. What about four?

• 3:08:09Speaker 07

  Uh, you said.

• 3:08:10Speaker 00

  Michael Pennix, uh, Drake May and J J McCarthy are still on the board.

• 3:08:18Speaker 07

  I'm gonna have to go with my Carolina boy. I'm gonna have to go with Drake.

• 3:08:20Speaker 00

  Okay. Okay.

• 3:08:22Speaker 07

  I'm gonna have to go with Drake.

• 3:08:23Speaker 00

  And then Michael Pennix and J J McCarthy to finish it off.

• 3:08:25Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 3:08:26Speaker 00

  That's the ranking?

• 3:08:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 3:08:27Speaker 00

  Okay. All right.

• 3:08:29Speaker 02

  Uh, that's interesting. You said my Carolina guy, like, but there's no beef between North and South Carolina?

• 3:08:35Speaker 07

  Oh, no, no, no, no.

• 3:08:36Speaker 02

  It's all one Carolina?

• 3:08:37Speaker 07

  Ain't no beef. No, we got family from both sides. So there ain't no beef.

• 3:08:39Speaker 00

  Okay. All right.

• 3:08:40Speaker 07

  Everybody identifies the Carolinas.

• 3:08:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:08:43Speaker 07

  I mean, south, we a little bit more, we, I mean, both southern states, but I feel like we Carolinas. Like you know, somebody from North or South Carolina, like it's all love.

• 3:08:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Like that Carolina versus the world. Well, Alshon, thanks so much for stopping by, man. You're, you're the best.

• 3:08:57Speaker 07

  And thank y'all for having me.

• 3:08:58Speaker 00

  All right.

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• 3:09:57Speaker 00

  Okay. Fire fest of the week. Let's go Hank. What's your fire fest? Is it that you missed the ball playing golf?

• 3:10:05Speaker 05

  I was gonna say I had a pretty good week.

• 3:10:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:10:07Speaker 05

  I had, I had really nothing, nothing of note. No bad tape.

• 3:10:12Speaker 00

  Did Whitney text you?

• 3:10:14Speaker 05

  No. Did he text you?

• 3:10:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:10:17Speaker 05

  What'd he say?

• 3:10:18Speaker 00

  He said, was this filmed before or after the grudge match? This is getting out of hand.

• 3:10:22Speaker 05

  Well, let's, yeah, I mean, let's, let's, let's, listen, I, I understand. I understand this company. It's, it's, I've, I've worked here for 15 years. It's, it's paid use over everything. That's turned, you know, as, as we pivoted to video into just views, clips. I know how it is. We were playing and go watch the video, uh, foreplay, foreplay YouTube channel. We did a three V three scramble. Scramble being the key word there. Me, Big Cat and Trent were on a team. I played a lot of golf with Big Cat. He's a big boy. When he.

• 3:10:51Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 3:10:53Speaker 05

  You are.

• 3:10:53Speaker 02

  Okay. That seemed, that seemed like a weight joke.

• 3:10:55Speaker 05

  No, it's, it's, it's a, it's a preamble. It's a, it's setting up a compliment that when you, when you hit a, a good drive, like I've played enough golf with you to know, like, when you hit a good drive, it's farther than me hitting a good drive, no matter how, how good I hit it.

• 3:11:09Speaker 02

  True.

• 3:11:09Speaker 05

  And in this scramble, Big Cat hit, you know, a perfect drive, dead center, probably 350 yards in the middle of the way.

• 3:11:16Speaker 02

  Maybe nailed it.

• 3:11:18Speaker 05

  So I'm going up and I'm like, I'm like, fuck it. Like I'm, there's, if I, if I hit this perfectly, it's, we're not using it. So I'm going to try and hit this as hard as I can. I've seen the videos of like the long drivers. They, they pick up their front foot. I was like, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna try and hit this as hard as I could, which in golf is usually not the correct strategy. And I missed the ball. In the, the clip then just gets posted with just that, which again, like I, I know how it goes. Me, I'm supposed to it maybe seconds after the video dropped. All fair game. And then I get, I get, I get roasted online, which I don't, it is what it is. I, I know how it goes. This is the, this is the clip economy. This is, this is how we, how we get paid.

• 3:11:55Speaker 00

  Gotcha culture.

• 3:11:56Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's like, I'm trying to make, we're trying to make a good video. We're trying to get good clips.

• 3:11:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you hit a sweet drive down the middle, guess what? They're not going to post that.

• 3:12:03Speaker 00

  No, I haven't seen any of my sweet drives. I hit a lot of them.

• 3:12:05Speaker 05

  Yeah. So again, I'm, I'm just trying to, you know, do my part for the team. We already had a good one. Let me just try and crank it. I missed it.

• 3:12:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:12:14Speaker 05

  It was bad, but it is what it is.

• 3:12:16Speaker 02

  I had your back because there was some guy from Sports Illustrated was like vanity handicappers are worse than sandbaggers.

• 3:12:22Speaker 00

  I replied to that guy. Yeah.

• 3:12:23Speaker 02

  And this guy says he's a 12. That guy doesn't understand what you just said, that you were trying to miss the ball because you were swinging really hard.

• 3:12:30Speaker 00

  Also, he's a 12 righty. I replied right away. I was like, dude, 12 righty dude. He never said he was a 12 lefty.

• 3:12:35Speaker 05

  I also like the, the vanity, like it is, like I play a lot of golf and like I play like, you know, matches for money. Like there is no reason to, for, to make up a handicap. Like to do the reverse sandbag of what people are saying. Like I understand and, and the, you know, the tape, when it's out there is, is not the best, but I think people don't understand handicaps. And I, I think people that say that like, don't play golf, like, you know, play golf matches with their friends where they're like playing for money or whatever, where it's like, it, it helps no one to do that.

• 3:13:10Speaker 00

  I agree with you that people just don't, I, I'm a 24. I keep a, a real handicap and people are like, no way you're a 24. I'm like, 24 is a bad golfer.

• 3:13:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:13:18Speaker 00

  It's, what do you, what are you talking about? That's, that's.

• 3:13:21Speaker 02

  24 is like, you break a hundred half the time.

• 3:13:25Speaker 00

  I mean, no.

• 3:13:26Speaker 02

  That's enough to have fun.

• 3:13:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. But yeah, I don't know what, why would I, I, I only started keeping handicaps so I could gamble when I, when I golf. What would be the point of screwing myself and making my handicap lower so that I could then lose money?

• 3:13:42Speaker 05

  Right.

• 3:13:43Speaker 00

  I don't understand that.

• 3:13:44Speaker 02

  I think Hank should try to, uh, you should have three handicaps. Lefty, righty, and then on camera.

• 3:13:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:13:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I can't, I, I wasn't able to, to archive my, I just have one handicap.

• 3:13:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:14:00Speaker 00

  Golf.

• 3:14:02Speaker 05

  My brain is my handicap.

• 3:14:04Speaker 00

  Good at golf.

• 3:14:04Speaker 05

  ADHD, golf, maybe not the best combination.

• 3:14:08Speaker 02

  I like that. We're blaming, we're blaming that swing. That was my ADHD.

• 3:14:11Speaker 05

  Well, no, it's just like in general, it's like, yeah, I'm like, you know, I, people are like, you play a lot of golf, you suck all that. We've had this conversation, but it's like, why do I play? It's like, yeah, maybe, maybe. Uh, like, uh, having ADHD and then playing a sport that requires like a hundred percent focus, like a hundred percent of the time, maybe not the best combination, but. I still have fun.

• 3:14:31Speaker 02

  Hank played really good last weekend, too.

• 3:14:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, we played on Friday.

• 3:14:34Speaker 02

  And in Pebble Beach.

• 3:14:35Speaker 05

  And in Pebble Beach, yeah, all off camera. I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try, we're trying, trying, trying to get some rounds on camera before the fall ends. I got some callouts to make.

• 3:14:43Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 3:14:44Speaker 05

  You're one of them.

• 3:14:45Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 3:14:46Speaker 05

  I just need to get some reps.

• 3:14:49Speaker 05

  Jersey Jerry, Mike Grinnell's number one.

• 3:14:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:14:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:14:52Speaker 05

  Chef Donnie.

• 3:14:53Speaker 00

  Call him out.

• 3:14:55Speaker 05

  I'm gonna call him out.

• 3:14:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:14:56Speaker 06

  Consider them called.

• 3:14:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:14:58Speaker 00

  Is that the call out?

• 3:14:59Speaker 05

  I'm, I'll make, I'll make an official call. This is a pre.

• 3:15:01Speaker 00

  Who's getting called out first?

• 3:15:02Speaker 05

  The, the. Probably Chef Donnie or Jerry.

• 3:15:08Speaker 02

  Is that like a video game?

• 3:15:09Speaker 06

  Play all the time.

• 3:15:10Speaker 05

  I know. So that's why it's like, that'll be the easiest one to, to.

• 3:15:12Speaker 00

  To call out.

• 3:15:13Speaker 05

  To make.

• 3:15:13Speaker 02

  It's like a video game where like you have to beat all the guys like punch out until you get to the big bad wolf.

• 3:15:19Speaker 00

  Are you beating him straight up or handicap?

• 3:15:21Speaker 05

  Straight up.

• 3:15:21Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 3:15:22Speaker 06

  Big Cat and I had the best rounds of our life last week.

• 3:15:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's true. We're just good at golf.

• 3:15:26Speaker 05

  And Grinnell might be a retirement match. If I lose to Grinnell, I might just quit Lefty Golf.

• 3:15:30Speaker 06

  No.

• 3:15:31Speaker 00

  You say Lefty Golf, so that's not retiring.

• 3:15:34Speaker 06

  Lefty retirement?

• 3:15:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:15:36Speaker 06

  I'm all right with that.

• 3:15:37Speaker 02

  The left retirement match?

• 3:15:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:15:38Speaker 06

  Retirement.

• 3:15:39Speaker 05

  It is locked.

• 3:15:40Speaker 06

  Left retirement sounds.

• 3:15:41Speaker 05

  Happy Locktov.

• 3:15:42Speaker 00

  Happy Locktov to all of us.

• 3:15:43Speaker 05

  I didn't realize it was October 1st till like 1:30. I was like eating a burrito. I was like, fuck.

• 3:15:49Speaker 00

  Wait, what are you locking in on?

• 3:15:50Speaker 05

  Just life.

• 3:15:51Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 3:15:53Speaker 06

  I, I know. I knew what he was locking in on.

• 3:15:55Speaker 00

  Okay. That's great.

• 3:15:57Speaker 02

  All right. I'll be waiting by my phone to get called out. I, I don't think I've been called out before.

• 3:16:01Speaker 05

  No, yeah, get ready.

• 3:16:03Speaker 02

  I don't, what do I say when I get called out?

• 3:16:05Speaker 05

  You can.

• 3:16:06Speaker 02

  How long do I have to accept?

• 3:16:07Speaker 05

  Uh, not long. So I don't think we're, we got like a month. We got probably till November.

• 3:16:12Speaker 02

  Okay. Is that, do you have a month going on for November?

• 3:16:17Speaker 05

  Uh, we'll see. We'll see if I'm retired or not.

• 3:16:19Speaker 02

  Hank Vember?

• 3:16:20Speaker 05

  It might be right Vember.

• 3:16:21Speaker 00

  Oh, right.

• 3:16:22Speaker 05

  I hope it's not, but.

• 3:16:25Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:16:26Speaker 06

  The, the retirement match.

• 3:16:27Speaker 00

  No Whitey?

• 3:16:28Speaker 06

  Sounds big.

• 3:16:30Speaker 02

  Is there such a thing as the, as the right retirement match?

• 3:16:33Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 3:16:33Speaker 05

  No, dead, death.

• 3:16:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:16:37Speaker 02

  The big one.

• 3:16:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, all right, PFT, your Fyre Fest?

• 3:16:41Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, I've had a pretty good week, I'd say overall. The El Camino made it all the way out to Michigan, drove it for like two hours. That was pretty sweet. I was just hoping it wasn't gonna rain. So I was, I was wondering the entire way, cause. Um, we had to stop and fill up on gas a couple of times. That's fine. That's the way she goes with that car. But, uh, I was very relieved that it, that it made it all the way out there. So this week has been pretty stress free. With the exception of, I'm finally starting to realize how inconvenient having the Wizards season ticket is. Because, because I live in Chicago.

• 3:17:10Speaker 00

  No way.

• 3:17:10Speaker 02

  It was all theoretical and something in the future over the summer when I got them. And now I'm looking at the schedule that's coming up and thinking to myself, how much money am I gonna spend flying back to Washington DC? For basketball games? And then how am I going to figure out ways to get the tickets, uh, to give them away? So I, I'm trying to figure out the best way to give the tickets away, which is proving to be, yeah, what?

• 3:17:31Speaker 00

  No, it's, it's Zach, you're up, buddy. You're gonna have to run this for me, F T.

• 3:17:36Speaker 02

  Zach, you might.

• 3:17:37Speaker 00

  Remember when he bought the tickets? I was like, you're on the hot seat.

• 3:17:39Speaker 03

  We've got the calendars.

• 3:17:40Speaker 02

  We got the calendar. That's half, half the battle. So I, right now I've got just a few matches. Yeah. PMT Bachelor Party.

• 3:17:47Speaker 03

  At Gmail.

• 3:17:48Speaker 02

  At gmail.com.

• 3:17:49Speaker 03

  I haven't checked.

• 3:17:49Speaker 02

  I'm also, I'm gonna try to give away some of them on my buddy JP Finley's show in DC, his sports show, uh, to like, so we can ensure that that's like a really local audience there. But I'm happy to give some away here.

• 3:18:01Speaker 00

  I don't, I don't think you have to worry about that.

• 3:18:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. I just, I don't want them to go unused.

• 3:18:07Speaker 00

  I don't think you have to worry about like non-Wizards fans being like, I'll fly in to take PFT's tickets.

• 3:18:11Speaker 02

  I think they might. I think they might. You, you're underestimating.

• 3:18:15Speaker 00

  I guess, maybe.

• 3:18:15Speaker 02

  You're not thinking about the young core.

• 3:18:17Speaker 00

  I, I, yeah, that's true.

• 3:18:18Speaker 02

  The young core is gonna be a draw this year.

• 3:18:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:18:20Speaker 02

  I did invite, uh, Senator Eric Schmidt to go to the Hawks game with me there. So I'm waiting to hear back from him on that one.

• 3:18:27Speaker 00

  He's a senator from where?

• 3:18:29Speaker 02

  He's a senator from Missouri.

• 3:18:31Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 3:18:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:18:32Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 3:18:33Speaker 02

  He got confused about the Hawkeyes and the Hawks the other day, but he's, he's welcome to sit next to me courtside at the Hawks game.

• 3:18:39Speaker 00

  Nice. Nice. Um, all right. My Fyre Fest, simple one. Obviously we talked about at the beginning, baseball season's over. You know what's not fun is, uh, having to explain your, to your kids that baseball season's over, cause MLB, the game's nine o'clock. My kids didn't get to see any. They wake up, like, did the Cubs win? No, dog walked. Did the Cubs win? No, season's over. And then I got the, uh, the great question, what do you mean the season's over? I was like, we're not playing any more games. So like, so my son's like, so we just have to wait a month and then we can play more games? And I was like. Nope. We're not playing more games for, I didn't even get into lockout talk.

• 3:19:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:19:18Speaker 00

  We could be just never playing games again.

• 3:19:20Speaker 02

  You don't wanna go down that road.

• 3:19:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, that, that, that's like a, a nice rate of passage of like having to tell your kids and have, watching them be disappointed at breakfast, being like, oh shit, season's over.

• 3:19:30Speaker 02

  We're gonna start talking more about the Blackhawks, though.

• 3:19:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Bears are good. They, they did ask right away. They're like, the Bears are still good, right? And I was like, yeah.

• 3:19:38Speaker 02

  They're still playing.

• 3:19:40Speaker 00

  They, for a second there, I think they thought that like when one season ends, all the teams end.

• 3:19:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:19:45Speaker 00

  And it was like, oh no. Like, oh, wait, wait, the Bears made it through this.

• 3:19:48Speaker 05

  Then you're gonna start explaining COVID.

• 3:19:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 3:19:51Speaker 02

  Get ready to, to learn Bulls, buddy.

• 3:19:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, the, the Bears made it through this tragic accident, right?

• 3:19:55Speaker 02

  Yep, they did. They survived. They survived the Cubs going out like feeble losers. I was like Frank the Tank, feeble, feeble. All right, Zach, finish this off. Uh, I had an okay week and then, uh, I did make a mistake.

• 3:20:08Speaker 05

  Max almost killed you.

• 3:20:10Speaker 02

  Max, uh.

• 3:20:11Speaker 05

  Multiple times.

• 3:20:11Speaker 02

  No, that was, I, that was a crime of passion. I don't put that, I don't hold that against Max.

• 3:20:15Speaker 00

  How did Max almost kill him?

• 3:20:16Speaker 06

  I head butted him a couple of times.

• 3:20:18Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, just a couple of head butts, a couple of swings, nothing. It was just like.

• 3:20:21Speaker 05

  Couple like, hey, I was worried about like he was like strangling you kind of.

• 3:20:24Speaker 02

  No, there's only one punch. It wasn't, I got, I saw the other side.

• 3:20:27Speaker 06

  It was a punch, it was a punch of joy, though. It was a joyful punch.

• 3:20:30Speaker 02

  It was a passion punch and like, that's a small, the corner there, it's a lot of energy per square footage. So you can't, you can't like hold that against somebody.

• 3:20:39Speaker 00

  Great.

• 3:20:40Speaker 06

  Love the corner.

• 3:20:41Speaker 02

  Zach, you've got really good bedside manner. When, when bad stuff happens, I feel like you're, you're kind of a calming presence a little bit for Max.

• 3:20:48Speaker 06

  Very much so. He, like, I really liked having him next to me because I knew he wasn't gonna say anything when I didn't need to hear anything. And that's, and that was perfect. I just needed him to just sit there and let, and let me go through what I needed to go through. And then after we're done with that, we can, we can go on to the next.

• 3:21:04Speaker 05

  How bad are you gonna wanna go to the corner tonight, Max?

• 3:21:06Speaker 06

  Uh, so bad, but I'm not, I'm not.

• 3:21:09Speaker 00

  Can't.

• 3:21:09Speaker 06

  I can't.

• 3:21:10Speaker 02

  We've been losing.

• 3:21:11Speaker 00

  No, he's banned. You can bring out the iPad.

• 3:21:14Speaker 06

  No, the iPad lost.

• 3:21:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:21:17Speaker 06

  The iPad lost.

• 3:21:17Speaker 00

  You can bring out.

• 3:21:21Speaker 00

  The overalls.

• 3:21:22Speaker 06

  That, that works every time.

• 3:21:24Speaker 00

  Oh. The pigtails, the overalls?

• 3:21:26Speaker 02

  Overall is not a bad idea.

• 3:21:28Speaker 00

  Ridiculous.

• 3:21:29Speaker 06

  Never, it's never worked once. It's been tried a lot.

• 3:21:33Speaker 00

  What about the pants? What about the pants?

• 3:21:35Speaker 06

  The green pants?

• 3:21:36Speaker 00

  Yeah. Talk about the green pants.

• 3:21:40Speaker 06

  Those could be a play. I'll bring the, I'll, I'll bring the green. I can bring the green pants.

• 3:21:46Speaker 00

  I think you need to, it's, I mean, it's an elimination game. You gotta have everything ready.

• 3:21:51Speaker 06

  All right. The green pants. I didn't think about the green pants. Those are, those are, those are powerful pants.

• 3:21:57Speaker 00

  Titus last night came to the Cubs stream with his, uh, lucky eyeliner on.

• 3:22:03Speaker 06

  I didn't know that was a thing.

• 3:22:04Speaker 00

  No, he, uh, we were, we're taping Yak's Wild, so he had to get some makeup done. And then, uh.

• 3:22:09Speaker 06

  Zach's been there.

• 3:22:10Speaker 00

  The chat was just like, what the fuck is up with Titus? And then when he got up to go to the bathroom in the first inning, I was like, hey, chat, just so everyone knows, like Titus has lucky eyeliner he wears. Please don't be like weird about it. It's like, he's been doing it ever since he was a kid. Every big Cubs game, he puts on his eyeliner.

• 3:22:25Speaker 02

  That would be very funny if that was true.

• 3:22:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, and then we realized like halfway through that if the Cubs came back and won, he would actually have to start doing it, which would be a, a very funny way to watch playoff baseball.

• 3:22:36Speaker 02

  You gotta do the pants, Max.

• 3:22:38Speaker 06

  PFT, this guy wants, uh, Wizards tickets. On January 7th.

• 3:22:43Speaker 02

  Uh, who's playing?

• 3:22:44Speaker 06

  Uh, Thunder.

• 3:22:46Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:22:47Speaker 00

  Done. That's a young.

• 3:22:48Speaker 03

  Joe Manning.

• 3:22:49Speaker 00

  Done.

• 3:22:49Speaker 03

  That's a young core versus young core.

• 3:22:51Speaker 06

  Let's see, let's see the, let's see the, what day of the week?

• 3:22:54Speaker 00

  That sounds like a weekend playoff football or week.

• 3:22:59Speaker 06

  Let's say.

• 3:23:00Speaker 02

  Seven?

• 3:23:00Speaker 00

  Eighteen, seventeen?

• 3:23:02Speaker 06

  Thursday.

• 3:23:03Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 3:23:03Speaker 02

  Thursday. Um.

• 3:23:05Speaker 00

  That actually might be the end of playoff or Thursday night football.

• 3:23:10Speaker 02

  Uh, stand by.

• 3:23:10Speaker 00

  Zach, you said you made a mistake?

• 3:23:15Speaker 03

  Oh, I did make a mistake earlier. I, I thought I'd, I've been worried on turning a new leaf for the team. I didn't turn a new leaf for the team.

• 3:23:23Speaker 00

  What happened?

• 3:23:23Speaker 03

  I, uh, what, what happened is sometimes we do like late sports and my TV is in bed. And then I, so I watched the, I turned the TV on in the bed and then you guys are professionals and I, I missed our appointment.

• 3:23:36Speaker 00

  You went to sleep at what time?

• 3:23:38Speaker 03

  Uh, I probably, probably like,

• 3:23:45Speaker 03

  probably like seven.

• 3:23:46Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:23:46Speaker 02

  7:00 PM.

• 3:23:47Speaker 00

  7:00 PM. You went, you fell asleep.

• 3:23:49Speaker 03

  I think I did.

• 3:23:50Speaker 02

  And you stayed asleep. What about dinner?

• 3:23:52Speaker 03

  I think that's what did it.

• 3:23:53Speaker 00

  He ate dinner and he gets sleepy.

• 3:23:55Speaker 03

  And then I was like, then we're gonna do the, the work stuff. Gotta watch this. We gotta play our baseball, boys. But the TV's in bed and I shouldn't have done that. So now I'm gonna put the TV outside.

• 3:24:02Speaker 02

  I like how he referred to us as professionals in terms of being awake.

• 3:24:06Speaker 06

  Memes, how many times did you call?

• 3:24:08Speaker 04

  I FaceTimed him 15 times.

• 3:24:13Speaker 04

  This is also partially my fault. I did tell him he could take a nap.

• 3:24:17Speaker 02

  Is that something you usually do is?

• 3:24:18Speaker 00

  Oh, memes totally set you up, dude. This is bullshit. That's a crazy thing.

• 3:24:23Speaker 03

  But my, my response to that was, I know better. And then I.

• 3:24:26Speaker 04

  Yeah. He said, he said, I know better. Like, I'm gonna stay up. I was like, dude, we all take naps and then we work late.

• 3:24:32Speaker 00

  I was mad at you for a minute, memes.

• 3:24:35Speaker 04

  What I do?

• 3:24:35Speaker 00

  When we were texting on Tuesday night and I asked the, the question, I asked, I texted memes at like maybe six o'clock and I was like, hey, is there a way for me to stream from my computer in my basement if the Cubs game gets close? Which it was never close. And he, I was like, like that, when I text memes at, I'm asking like, can you tell me how? And he just wrote back, I think there's a way and then just didn't reply.

• 3:25:01Speaker 04

  Well, I was driving.

• 3:25:05Speaker 00

  I was so close to being like, dude, I'm asking if you could help me, but then, then you're like, I'm, I've, I've texted Zach and he has not picked up. So.

• 3:25:14Speaker 03

  He did figure it out for the future though.

• 3:25:15Speaker 00

  Okay. Well, there's no more.

• 3:25:17Speaker 03

  Perfect.

• 3:25:17Speaker 00

  So, yeah.

• 3:25:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. Next Cubs game.

• 3:25:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. Next month when the Cubs play. Uh, all right. Good show, boys. Let's have a good football weekend. Numbers three.

• 3:25:29Speaker 04

  Phillies game went, went well, right?

• 3:25:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 3:25:31Speaker 03

  10.

• 3:25:32Speaker 02

  We did, we did the Dodgers Phillies preview already. Of course it went well.

• 3:25:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:25:38Speaker 04

  Pick a number for a Philly.

• 3:25:40Speaker 02

  Sixty.

• 3:25:41Speaker 00

  I think you guys are gonna beat the Dodgers.

• 3:25:43Speaker 04

  We got, stop that.

• 3:25:45Speaker 00

  This show, no, this is time appropriate.

• 3:25:49Speaker 02

  Max texted.

• 3:25:49Speaker 00

  As people are listening to this, this is appropriate timing.

• 3:25:51Speaker 02

  Max texted me as we were recording the show earlier and just said, you are a bad guy.

• 3:25:56Speaker 04

  Well, you were being a bad guy, asking about Dodgers Phillies.

• 3:25:58Speaker 02

  I wanted to pull, we had a guest that alluded to it. So I wanted to pull on that thread a little bit. It's called good interview.

• 3:26:03Speaker 00

  Hurry up, Shane.

• 3:26:06Speaker 04

  Eighty-six.

• 3:26:07Speaker 06

  Sixty-nine.

• 3:26:09Speaker 04

  Twenty-seven.

• 3:26:12Speaker 00

  Jacob was what?

• 3:26:13Speaker 03

  Thirteen.

• 3:26:22Speaker 00

  We're on a cold shoot.

• 3:26:25Speaker 00

  Seventy-one.

• 3:26:26Speaker 04

  Seventy-one.

• 3:26:26Speaker 00

  We're on a cold shoot.

• 3:26:28Speaker 04

  Seventy-one. We all suck at this.

• 3:26:30Speaker 00

  Memes has never gotten it.

• 3:26:32Speaker 04

  Twenty-seven.

• 3:26:33Speaker 00

  What'd you say?

• 3:26:34Speaker 04

  You all suck ass at this too.

• 3:26:35Speaker 00

  I think I've gotten it twice on the new machine.

• 3:26:38Speaker 04

  Twenty-seven.

• 3:26:49Speaker 04

  Cold.

• 3:26:52Speaker 06

  It'll be, it'll get real calm with cold.

• 3:26:58Speaker 00

  Sixty-one.

• 3:26:59Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 3:27:02Speaker 00

  Do you want more?

• 3:27:03Speaker 02

  One off. No. Happy birthday to TJ Yeldon. Happy birthday to Sting and Gandhi and Zach Galifianakis. Happy birthday Saturday. Mike Sandristill. Happy birthday to CJ Stroud. Happy birthday to Freddie Couples. Happy birthday to Zlatan. Happy birthday to Abdul Carter and Saturday, October 3rd. Anybody else, Hank?

• 3:27:33Speaker 02

  Happy birthday to Billy Strings.

• 3:27:35Speaker 03

  Fuck yeah.

• 3:27:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Gotta know, gotta know your boy's birthday.

• 3:27:39Speaker 03

  William Apostle.

• 3:27:40Speaker 02

  Love you guys. Memes, did I miss anybody?

• 3:27:43Speaker 03

  I'm not a child. I'm not worried about people's celebrities birthdays.

• 3:27:52Speaker 05

  The.