NFL Trade Deadline, Kirk Cousins Back To The Vikings, CFB With Tom Fornelli, Celtics Win The Jaylen Brown Revenge Game + Guys On Chicks

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  Welcome to Pardon My Take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, November 11. And Hank, I'm sorry, buddy. Sorry.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  For what?

• 3:25Speaker 00

  Oh, Duke lost. I thought you'd be upset.

• 3:27Speaker 03

  Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah, it's only, it's only November.

• 3:32Speaker 04

  It's only November.

• 3:33Speaker 00

  It's only November, dude.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  You're right.

• 3:36Speaker 00

  He's all Celticed out.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Great point. That's a great point.

• 3:39Speaker 03

  I honestly couldn't name one, one player on Duke for us.

• 3:42Speaker 00

  No, Boozer, younger Boozer's still on there.

• 3:44Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, younger Boozer.

• 3:45Speaker 00

  And Jonathan Blackwell from Wisconsin. All right, no, congrats, Hank. Celtics beat the Sixers in the first matchup of Jaylen Brown versus old team. Uh, this was, I mean, was there, was there any more bad blood besides the kind of blow by at the beginning of the, the game?

• 4:06Speaker 03

  No, not that. I mean, Jaylen Brown's a child. But that was it. That was, that was only, that was only bad.

• 4:11Speaker 00

  A child. Whoa.

• 4:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, you guys are professionals. Like, you, you gotta, you gotta be professional. The, the pregame handshake is, is a very common thing, no matter what the circumstances are, what the history is. And they're, they're, they're close. Like, I,

• 4:26Speaker 00

  They're not. No.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  They're not.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  They are.

• 4:30Speaker 00

  I'll back up here. Max, Max and Hank, just go at it.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  They are not close.

• 4:34Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. They're not.

• 4:37Speaker 04

  Something happened. Jaylen Brown does not like Jason Tatum. That's just a bad.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  Jaylen Brown thinks Jason Tatum was, was Brad Stevens. Like, he's,

• 4:46Speaker 04

  You don't know what happened.

• 4:48Speaker 03

  I, Jaylen Brown doesn't understand.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  You don't know what happened.

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Salary tax, luxury, salary cap, luxury tax. He doesn't understand anything. And he thinks Jason Tatum is, is calling all the shots.

• 4:58Speaker 04

  You do not know what happened. Nobody knows what actually happened, except for the two people in that room.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  But the Celtics could not keep both of them. That, that's, everyone knows that.

• 5:11Speaker 00

  PFT.

• 5:13Speaker 05

  Do you act, yes, Hank, do you actually think that, that Jaylen Brown is under the impression that, uh, Jason Tatum is the general manager of the Celtics? Do you actually believe that?

• 5:23Speaker 03

  Why would he be that upset if, if not?

• 5:26Speaker 05

  That's, I'm kind of thinking that Max might be on to something that maybe there was stuff behind the scenes we didn't know about.

• 5:33Speaker 00

  Wasn't there a report today that, uh, after the trade, after Giannis was traded, and it was clear that the Celtics were not going to be involved in the Giannis trade, Jaylen Brown knew that he was part of it, went to the Celtics front office and was like, hey, I know you're trying to trade me. I understand. I'm cool to stick around, though. Like, you don't have to trade me. And then they traded him without telling him. And he found out, like, through the media that he got traded to the Sixers.

• 5:58Speaker 04

  And wasn't there also a report today that he went to Jason, that he went to Jason Tatum in France to have dinner with him and try and mend the fences? And then he left that dinner thinking that everything was good, and then he got traded two days later?

• 6:10Speaker 03

  Exactly. Jason Tatum was not the one that made the trade.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  You don't know what happened, Hank.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  I know that Jason Tatum is not signing and executing trades. I know that for a fact.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  You do not know that Jason Tatum isn't having conversations with the GM of the team.

• 6:26Speaker 03

  Players play, front office make.

• 6:29Speaker 04

  Okay, so you're never allowed to say LeBron James to GM ever again.

• 6:32Speaker 00

  Okay, big cat. My take has his hand raised. I have a question.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  LeBron James is a prop to sign note, but yeah.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  Oh, we'll get to that. I have a question, Hank. I think, and, and, and correct me if this is, uh, like wildly wrong. I think what Jaylen Brown's beef might be, is that he thought he and Jason Tatum were very good friends, which might have been a mistake. And the, the Celtics front office, knowing that Jason Tatum is your centerpiece, is your franchise player, most likely gave him a heads up, Jason Tatum, that they were going to trade Jaylen Brown. And Jason Tatum didn't do the same for Jaylen Brown. That's probably where his feelings got hurt.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  Who knows? That's, that's, that's, uh, that's, uh, you don't know anything. As, as Max would say, you don't know anything.

• 7:19Speaker 00

  I'm saying that's, that's the most plausible.

• 7:22Speaker 03

  Both of them knew that you can't keep, like, you can't have a successful team with 75% of your salary.

• 7:29Speaker 04

  They tried to go get Giannis. So, explain to me.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  Giannis is a free agent at the end of this year.

• 7:34Speaker 04

  But how are you going to keep Giannis and Jason Tatum, but not Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum?

• 7:38Speaker 03

  They're trying to win for Jason Tatum this year with Giannis and then, and then kick him in the curb.

• 7:42Speaker 00

  It seems to me like maybe, yeah, Zach, yes, you have a question.

• 7:46Speaker 05

  Uh, Hank, if, uh, if Jason Tatum in fact did know about the trade and went to dinner and played in Jaylen Brown's face, what would you say that says about Jason Tatum?

• 7:55Speaker 00

  Good question.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  I, I don't know what happened in this dinner.

• 7:59Speaker 00

  No, if those things happened.

• 8:02Speaker 03

  If those thing happened, then, then that, that's a little fake, I would say.

• 8:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 8:06Speaker 03

  But I don't think those things happened.

• 8:09Speaker 05

  Do you think that maybe it was a little childish of Tatum to try to interrupt Jaylen Brown when he was doing his pregame ball spin on his finger right before the jump ball? And maybe that was Jaylen Brown, how he locks in for every tip off?

• 8:21Speaker 03

  I mean, me and Jason Tatum are allowed. We just love daps. We love dapping up players. Like, he was, he was looking for some daps. And, and, and, and Jaylen Brown, like, he's a drama king. He like, he loves this shit. He's trying to create this narrative and this, and this rivalry that like, exists for one person, Jaylen Brown.

• 8:37Speaker 04

  Because one person got shipped off and one person didn't.

• 8:40Speaker 03

  Did Jason Tatum ship him off?

• 8:42Speaker 04

  You, yes. You don't know that he didn't.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  Jason Tatum, Max, is a player.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  You know nothing.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  Jason Tatum is a player. He plays on the basketball court.

• 8:55Speaker 04

  But you don't know what had happened behind closed doors at all.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  Like, neither, no one does, except for the Celtics front office, which Jason Tatum is not in.

• 9:06Speaker 04

  So, Jason Tatum doesn't talk to anyone, doesn't talk to anyone in the front office about who he wants on the team?

• 9:12Speaker 03

  Who knows? We don't know that.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  We don't know that, correct?

• 9:14Speaker 03

  You don't know anything.

• 9:15Speaker 05

  Correct. My question still stands. It's like, how do you take, how do you, how do you let a great player, how do you let a great player like that, cornerstone guy, top 10 guy in the NBA, how do you let a guy like that leave? And how do you, how do you send him within the conference to your arch rival? Because Paul George has absolutely fucked up the Sixers tonight.

• 9:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, Paul George is a great player.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  Don't trade him in the conference.

• 9:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's different. So different.

• 9:47Speaker 05

  This is new Paul George we're looking at here.

• 9:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, if Paul George plays like that for the, for the rest of the season into the playoffs, the Celtics are the NBA champions.

• 9:56Speaker 05

  A big cat.

• 9:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, Hank, can you at least say, and maybe Max, well, you know what? I'll bring, I'll bring the whole podcast together here. Can, can, can you guys both admit that, uh, this type of bad blood is just good for sports? It's good for, for, for the regular viewer. I think, like, Hank has every right to call Jaylen Brown a baby. You have every right to call Jason Tatum a snake. I don't really care. Like, I want to see.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  There's no basis for that, but yeah.

• 10:24Speaker 00

  Well, how's the basis for?

• 10:25Speaker 03

  Professional.

• 10:26Speaker 00

  How's Jaylen Brown a baby? PFT made a good point. He locks in by spinning his, the ball.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 10:31Speaker 00

  He does, he does a little.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  But Hank, do you understand why one person would be upset in this situation and one person would not? Do you, does that?

• 10:38Speaker 03

  It's not, it's not right, sorry. It's not clocking.

• 10:41Speaker 00

  Who traded him?

• 10:42Speaker 03

  Big cat. Jason Tatum? No.

• 10:44Speaker 00

  Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum traded Jaylen Brown.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, right.

• 10:49Speaker 05

  Are you thinking that, like, Jaylen Brown has a suit band that he was talking to? It was like, you'd be so much better if you, if you weren't on this team?

• 10:57Speaker 03

  Possibly. Jason Tatum's like a messy bitch. He's liking tweets. He's acting like a child. He's doing the lamp.

• 11:01Speaker 04

  Jason Tatum, Jason Tatum being a messy bitch. Jason Tatum being a messy bitch. I agree.

• 11:07Speaker 03

  No, he's not.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  I agree. Jason Tatum being a messy bitch. We call you, Jason Tatum being a messy bitch.

• 11:12Speaker 05

  Hey, retweet, Hank.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  PFT, you're, I was, I was trying to crash it up, but I'm not, I'm not as smart as you. And I figured I'd save it for the show, like.

• 11:20Speaker 05

  Or attractive, yes.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, true.

• 11:23Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 11:27Speaker 03

  If, let's say hypothetically, a player on the Sixers compared this game to like going into a war and then came out and threw up an absolute stinker like what, what country was that, is that comparative to?

• 11:41Speaker 05

  Like that, that got their shit pushed in in a war?

• 11:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, like we're, we're, we're coming for everything. And then just like the war was over in one second.

• 11:48Speaker 05

  Oh, I mean, I don't know. I guess like, uh, I would say, oh yeah, go ahead, Max.

• 11:53Speaker 04

  No, continue.

• 11:54Speaker 05

  No, no, you go.

• 11:55Speaker 04

  No, you go.

• 11:56Speaker 05

  No, you, you had something.

• 11:58Speaker 04

  No, I got nothing. I got nothing.

• 12:02Speaker 05

  Say it.

• 12:03Speaker 04

  He's talking to you.

• 12:04Speaker 05

  Say it. You had something.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  No, I know. No, it's, I mean, there's a lot of victory laps in November right now for Celtics fans.

• 12:12Speaker 03

  I'm asking.

• 12:13Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  Jaylen Brown said he's going into this game like a war.

• 12:18Speaker 05

  I was gonna say that, um, it's an interesting time to make a war comparison because it is, uh, November 11th, which would be, uh, was that Veterans Day? That's when they actually stopped World War One. 11 11 at 11 11.

• 12:32Speaker 04

  Maybe he's making a war, uh, World War One reference.

• 12:35Speaker 05

  Maybe it was World War One, or you could always just say like France, like.

• 12:39Speaker 00

  That one is not one that good, that either side got killed in a second.

• 12:44Speaker 03

  That was a war.

• 12:46Speaker 00

  A long ass time.

• 12:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, though these two teams don't like each other throughout the record books when France and Germany get together.

• 12:52Speaker 00

  Mm hmm. All right. So Hank, uh, victory lap, November. Do you feel good about it?

• 12:58Speaker 03

  I feel great about it. Uh, it was a great game, very entertaining. I mean, Jaylen Brown put up a stinker. LeBron is, I haven't watched a lot of Sixers games this year, so I don't, I don't know if this is true or not, but, and I know he's old, but like LeBron's just a prop, Max.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  He, he's the fifth, he's the fifth option on the team right now.

• 13:18Speaker 00

  Oh, is he? So he is kind of a prop?

• 13:21Speaker 03

  He's a role player. Yeah, I didn't realize like the, I mean, I know I, I, he's old. He was playing in L, in LA, like didn't see as much LeBron the last few years, but.

• 13:30Speaker 04

  Fourth option, I would say. I, I misspoke.

• 13:32Speaker 03

  I, I didn't, yeah, it's LeBron. I, like you were, you, you jumped up into Connor Griffin's arms when, when, when they got him, like.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's a great role player. He's getting paid the minimum. Yeah, he's, he's getting paid the minimum. So yeah. Sometimes a fourth option, getting paid the minimum is pretty good.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 13:51Speaker 00

  Okay. He actually had, I mean, he did that. He had 11, eight and five, Hank.

• 13:56Speaker 04

  He's the best passer on the team. He plays good defense. He's.

• 13:59Speaker 05

  Hank is saying a lot of words right now. I, I'm sorry to agree with Max. There's a lot of November words.

• 14:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's November.

• 14:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  It's November. Hey, hey, round of applause, Hank. Congrats, dude. I know, I know that you just blew a 3-0 lead in the playoffs last year to this team, but hey, November.

• 14:16Speaker 00

  Oh shit, Max, you were so close to being good there.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause of Paul George. You're right. Paul George fucking led that, led that comeback and, and he's a great player.

• 14:27Speaker 00

  Great player. Jaylen Brown, great player, player, great player. We all agree. Great player.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, all agree.

• 14:33Speaker 05

  All agree. What were you gonna say? A quick question. If, if LeBron is officially the four, Max, who's officially the one?

• 14:39Speaker 04

  Is that Tyrese Maxey?

• 14:41Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  The guy who's averaging 27 points a game.

• 14:45Speaker 00

  Is Joel Embiid okay?

• 14:48Speaker 05

  Several times, no.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  There was that one stretch, like 30 second stretch where I, I think he got hit in the nuts and then he like twisted his ankle. And it was like, what the hell is going on here?

• 15:01Speaker 05

  Was it edge dome that dunked on him? He got dunked on by his own dude.

• 15:04Speaker 04

  Dunked on by his own guy. That was a sick dunk. That was a sick dunk.

• 15:08Speaker 05

  Great dunk. Uh, okay. All this to lose to the Wizards.

• 15:16Speaker 05

  Okay, just be, just being honest, I, there, there were several times tonight where I was watching, um, there were some stretches where it was really good basketball and I was like, uh, I said a lot of things about the Washington Wizards this year, uh, and it, it doesn't look anything like this. Yeah.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  I was, I mean, when the, when the Celtics start hitting threes like that, it's, it's actually, there's no one on the planet that will ever beat that team. Like they, the way, they live and die by the three. You said it last year. You, you'll probably, you'll say it again this year. If you're living by the C, three, you're fucking living and you can't beat, beat them. It is what it is.

• 15:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:52Speaker 00

  PFT, I didn't realize you had lost four straight.

• 15:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, tough little slide right now.

• 15:58Speaker 00

  Okay. So you're in the tent spot right now.

• 16:01Speaker 05

  We're trying to figure out how to gel. Uh, the, the gelin has been off. It's been on, uh, Keith is, the, the, the seat's heating up a little bit for Keith.

• 16:10Speaker 00

  Okay, okay. Um, all right. College football rankings, any, anything that, that is notable to you? Tom Fornelli is, is gonna be on in a minute and we're gonna talk some college football with him. Uh, Georgia one, Utah two, Alabama three, UCLA four, and then Notre Dame clocked in at five. Uh, any, any initial thoughts?

• 16:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, committee, uh, punished Indiana for being lazy and not playing football last weekend.

• 16:39Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, they also, they basically, Indiana, it was crazy because Indiana, every team they, they had beaten did lose last weekend, which was nuts.

• 16:49Speaker 05

  Right.

• 16:50Speaker 00

  They also just like this committee, the, it's so clear that they throw darts at a dartboard, uh, for the first week and they were like, whoops, we kind of screwed up. We kind of made Indiana too high last week and Tennessee too low. So we're gonna have to drop them. It just so happens that they had a bye week and they could be like, well, look at all these teams that won and Indiana had a bye week. But yeah, it was, it was pretty crazy to see Indiana drop, uh, from five to nine without playing a football game.

• 17:19Speaker 05

  Yeah. I, I think kind of the same, same way that we said last week, like it's gonna work its way out.

• 17:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:27Speaker 05

  It's, I don't see there being anything that, that you can really get too upset about looking at the rankings right now. Like, yeah, weird that Indiana dropped to number nine. Um, but, but overall my, my thoughts are pretty much the same as they were last week, which is, uh, basically that Wake Forest a little bit under seeded and, uh, I guess the UCLA thing has been corrected a little bit over the course of the week. So overall it's fine.

• 17:52Speaker 00

  They, they screwed up Indiana and UCLA. We, I think we said it last week that it would have been fine if they were kind of flopped, uh, last week and they, that's kind of what they did this week. Um, the, the only other thing is that it just, it makes me laugh so hard. Again, yeah, it's probably gonna all get figured out. Um, there also still is the, you know, the power four have the automatic bids from their conference championships. So like in Oregon, Ohio State, we're gonna talk about it with Tom Fornelli. Like there's a lot of teams still alive in the mess of the big 10. The thing that always makes you laugh was, is when they get what's his name, uh, a hundred euro check on. And they ask them, they're like, hey, Alabama, which they, they love Alabama. The committee loves Alabama.

• 18:34Speaker 00

  Incredible win for Alabama, just throttling LSU. But they're like, hey, Alabama and Tennessee, what's that ranking? And he's just like, listen, they're not in the same pool. We can't compare them. They're just not in the same pool, the two teams that have played.

• 18:49Speaker 05

  We just can't.

• 18:50Speaker 00

  To know. Yeah, there, we don't put them in the same pool. Therefore we cannot as a committee, compare them side by side. It's just like, yeah, what are we talking about?

• 19:01Speaker 05

  It's pod. So they use the term pod because it sounds official. It sounds like there's like a, an equation that's behind all of this.

• 19:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:08Speaker 05

  When no, it's just they're all in a room sucking each other's fingers and holding them up in the wind and seeing which way it's blown.

• 19:14Speaker 00

  Mm hmm. Yep. Um, okay. Well, we have a lot more college football. NFL trade deadline right after this back in studio. Great guys on chicks. Great hot seat, cool throne as well. Uh, I'm happy that, uh, the Max versus Hank rivalry is back. Feels good. So let's, uh, kick it to ourselves. Okay. Before we get to Monday night football and NFL trade deadline, DraftKings thinks DraftKings isn't available where you live. Think again. DraftKings, an official partner of the NBA, is now available in all 50 states. So wherever you live, follow your favorite NBA stars. Get excited about the biggest matchups and lock in on those buzzer beating moments. And with DraftKings, it's all in one app.

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• 21:01Speaker 00

  Okay, boys, so NFL trade deadline. I think it's best to start with Monday Night Football because Monday Night Football directly led to the biggest deal on NFL trade deadline. Monday Night Football was a absolute awful watch when talking about the Minnesota Vikings offense and the Bills are the Bills are good. The Bills are really, really good. I actually loved the fact that Joe Brady was like, let's just keep hammering them and hammering them and running the ball like memes. You talked about it. The game was going to remind you of that game last year where Josh Allen got sacked a billion times. I feel like that was in the Bills head where they're like, hey, you know what we're not going to do is just

• 21:44Speaker 00

  try to spread them out and throw it and let Josh Allen get killed. There was a couple like plays like that, but for the most part, it's like, let's just run it. I think James Cook had 31 rushes and we will wear them down and the Vikings offense is so bad that eventually the Vikings defense will run out of gas and that's exactly how it played out.

• 22:01Speaker 05

  James Cook also maybe possibly allegedly pooped himself a little bit.

• 22:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:05Speaker 05

  After saying very hydrated off lemon lime Gatorade.

• 22:08Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 22:08Speaker 05

  It appeared. Yeah, the Bills, they did exactly what they had to do. I think I felt like they were in a spot where they didn't want to take too many chances. They did have that one deep pass, the best play that Troy Aikman's ever seen.

• 22:19Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 22:20Speaker 05

  The deep bomb by Josh Allen was picked off in the end zone. But outside of that, they knew that they weren't going to get beaten. Their defense as many holes as they have, as many question marks as the Bills have on defense. Carson Wentz was not going to beat anybody last night. So Carson Wentz had an 8.9 passer rating last night on 25 attempts. That is the lowest since Sam, Sam Donald had a 3.6 in the seeing ghost game in 2019 against the Patriots. They possessed the ball for 17 minutes, 17 and a half minutes.

• 22:54Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 22:54Speaker 05

  The Vikings had the ball. It was a special, special bad night for Carson Wentz last night.

• 23:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was so bad. I don't think, I think stats don't even matter. It was this Vikings fan had a very apt tweet, 42 CYC cam. He said, the Vikings QB situation is so bad that Joe Buck and Trey Aikman are repairing their relationship by laughing at our quarterbacks. And that actually did happen. That was happening in real time that Joe Buck and Trey Aikman were watching Carson Wentz and they became friends again. It was, it was.

• 23:26Speaker 05

  They bonded.

• 23:27Speaker 00

  It was one of the, like, I get it. They're not a good offense and KOC deserves a shit load of blame. I think he is not the QB whisperer, the genius coach. I like, he's just, he has not shown to be that. Carson Wentz was also just missing guys like by so Joe Milton ass missing.

• 23:45Speaker 05

  What I saw, that was an unnecessary shot.

• 23:47Speaker 00

  I wanted to see if Max was listening. He's not really listening.

• 23:49Speaker 05

  That was a cheap shot by Big Cat.

• 23:51Speaker 04

  I was looking up QB whisperer.

• 23:52Speaker 00

  Oh, so you didn't listen. You weren't listening.

• 23:54Speaker 05

  Interesting. Joe Milton, African American quarterback Big Cat goes after.

• 23:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, sounds about right.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  Just more ammunition. While I'm bashing Carson Wentz.

• 24:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, yeah, you couldn't just stick to.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  Caleb Williams had some laughable throws on Sunday night.

• 24:05Speaker 00

  Did you laugh?

• 24:06Speaker 04

  Comically laugh. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 24:09Speaker 00

  The thing I don't understand.

• 24:10Speaker 05

  Max did, Max did raise his hand at times and say, I'm laughing. I'm laughing.

• 24:15Speaker 00

  I know we're getting sidetracked. The thing I don't understand is Joe Milton's not your quarterback, Max. Jaylen Hurts is your quarterback.

• 24:21Speaker 04

  He is right now.

• 24:21Speaker 00

  But Jaylen Hurts is your quarterback.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying, funny. Okay. Sometimes, sometimes those are funny.

• 24:27Speaker 05

  It doesn't matter who the coach was for Carson Wentz last night. Carson Wentz did not look like he belonged wearing cleats of any, any type for any sport. He was just not, he could not hit anything with the ball. He was that one pass that he threw to the linebacker. There was probably nobody within 30 yards of the linebacker that his passes were so bad that they were almost hard to pick off because the players had no idea that the ball was even in danger of being thrown in their direction.

• 24:54Speaker 00

  But I, but what I'm saying is, I don't, I agree with everything you just said. Carson Wentz was horrendous. KOC should not skate clean whatsoever for what he has done to this quarterback room, for the trading of J.J. for the drafting of J.J. McCarthy, for, for J.J. McCarthy not panning out, for the trading of J.J. McCarthy, for saying Kyler Murray and Carson Wentz in 2026 are the answers at offense. You have to criticize what Kevin O'Connell has done with this team. And now, in a full circle moment, we're back to Kirk Cousins.

• 25:26Speaker 05

  Which I love.

• 25:27Speaker 00

  Because Kirk Cousins' last, last game is in a Vikings uniform was that playoff loss to the Giants. And now Kirk Cousins is back on the Vikings, third round pick. I do think that like, I am a little scared of the Vikings now because it was, they were so bad. And again, it wasn't just Carson Wentz. Kyler Murray was bad too. Like, he wasn't as bad as Carson Wentz, but Kyler Murray was bad when he played.

• 25:50Speaker 05

  Like that, that game that we saw from Carson Wentz, though, it was a special, it was a special.

• 25:54Speaker 00

  Agreed.

• 25:54Speaker 05

  We will always remember that. It reminded me of that time. Yeah.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  That's, that's what I'm saying. KOC traded, they traded J.J. McCarthy and kept Carson Wentz. You need to blame the guy who's like, yeah, we're good with these two guys.

• 26:08Speaker 05

  Yes, of course. And it's not just that. It was J.J. McCarthy, Kirk Cousins was there. Say what you want about Daniel Jones, but he's been better than whatever we saw from Carson Wentz last night.

• 26:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, because the Vikings defense is really fucking good and it's happened on a couple of games now where it happened in the Lions game too, where it's like, the Vikings defense gave up 23. That wasn't, if you watched that game, that wasn't the Vikings defense giving up 23. That was the Vikings defense being on the field for the entire game and eventually getting to a point where they were broken. And Kevin O'Connell, even the little things like, you get the ball back with like a minute left in the third quarter and you go three and out so quick that you have to punt so that your defense has to get back. Dude, run the ball so that you can at least get them in the middle of the third and fourth quarter. You get your defense just like five more minutes of, of break of real time.

• 26:56Speaker 05

  The, the crowd started to boo almost instantly too. Like you were going to lose not just the players on your team, you're going to lose the fan base if you didn't make a move. Shout out to Jefferson too, because I think it was Lisa Salters. She was doing some sideline reporting showing that like, he was going up to Carson Wentz and Carson Wentz and him were like gassing each other up like, hey, we're going to do this together, like stay in the game. Thinking back through the list of different players that Jefferson has like pretended to gas up and go along with.

• 27:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:24Speaker 05

  And all the nice things that he said, like, we got this. Like, he said that about Nick Mullens. He said that about Josh Dobbs.

• 27:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, I did the whole list last week.

• 27:30Speaker 05

  He said that about everybody. Like, he is, he is, but I know it specifically let that exact report.

• 27:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:36Speaker 05

  Where it's like them talking to each other and Jefferson being like, we got this. And like this last night was a special kind of loss where I don't think that by the end of it, he even had the ability to pretend that everything was going to be okay going along with this quarterback.

• 27:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, so the Vikings did what they had to do. I actually was shocked because it was like, I wasn't shocked by them getting Kirk Cousins. I was shocked that it was only a third because I thought it was going to be, the way it sounded was like, the Raiders are going to hold them over a barrel, right?

• 28:05Speaker 05

  Well, it was, it was like, they knew that the Vikings were desperate.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 05

  But also, that goes both ways because I don't think that there were a whole lot of other teams that were in the Kirk Cousins market.

• 28:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:15Speaker 05

  So I think the Vikings could say like, you know that we want him. You're probably not going to get any other offers. I actually think that it's a great move. Like the Raiders getting Kirk Cousins, playing him for a year and flipping him for a third. That's.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Oh, definitely. I'm just saying, I thought it would maybe have been a second because the Vikings were in such a desperate spot.

• 28:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:32Speaker 00

  They have a defense that can win a Super Bowl and they have an offense that is a bottom one, bottom two offense to watch. And like statistically, now they're a real threat. Like, I think Kirk Cousins will be able to get the ball to Justin Jefferson. I think Kirk Cousins, what we've seen this year, he is like, he still has some zip. He still has, you know, the decision making. He's going to be better than Kyler. He's going to be better than Carson Wentz. And now your defense gets maybe a little bit of a rest. And yeah, I think the Vikings, like, they're, they're a scary team now.

• 29:05Speaker 05

  One stat, this was from Steve Palazzolo last night. Carson Wentz, every time he dropped back to attempt to pass, if you look at EPA per play, expected points added, the Vikings lost a point every time he dropped back to throw a pass.

• 29:23Speaker 00

  It was so bad.

• 29:24Speaker 05

  Like, they, that's, it's unreal how bad, but it was also one of those moments that was kind of special.

• 29:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was.

• 29:29Speaker 05

  Like, I will always remember where I was watching that game.

• 29:32Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. So other trade deadline moves. It wasn't as active today as people thought it was going to be. The big one on Tuesday or Monday was Jordan Davis, how he did it again, a first and a second for Jordan Davis to the Jaguars. Credit the Jaguars are going all in. I don't know if that was the correct move, but it seems like a, like Max and I were talking, I saw the trade. I initially, I saw like Eagles defensive tackle first and second rounder, and I thought it was Jaylen Carter. And I was like, wait, that was for Jordan Davis? Feels like how he did it again.

• 30:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. Jordan Davis is very good at what Jordan Davis does. But what Jordan Davis does is he is a run stopper that can't even play on third downs and pass situations. He can't rush the quarterback. In the NFL, you pay a premium for guys who can rush the quarterback. And the Jags paid a premium for a guy who can stop the run, which is, he is very good at that. But you don't give up a first and a second rounder for a defensive tackle who can stop the run.

• 30:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 00

  The Jags are all in.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  The Jags are all in and.

• 30:43Speaker 00

  They got Jesse Bates as well.

• 30:45Speaker 05

  What I like about the move though, it's like he, he does, the Jags have a very good defensive line already. And so this is like a guy that could put them over the top into being dominant.

• 30:56Speaker 04

  He only plays 50%, he can only play 50% of snaps.

• 30:58Speaker 05

  Well, that's okay, because they've got a really good defensive line.

• 31:00Speaker 04

  But you don't give up a first and a second for a guy who only plays 50% of snaps.

• 31:04Speaker 05

  If it works, it works.

• 31:05Speaker 00

  What's his contract situation?

• 31:07Speaker 04

  A lot.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  And he's, he's signed for how many years?

• 31:10Speaker 04

  It hasn't even started yet.

• 31:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I, I saw it and I was like, I feel like the Bears might've gotten a steal with, with Jeffrey Simmons.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  A hundred percent. Like, I love Jordan Davis. Jordan Davis was very good for the Eagles defense that won the Super Bowl. He was very important. Last year, he was fantastic when he was, he was in his contract year. He has been disappointing this year, but I, like, it's tough. It's tough playing for this Eagles team right now. I can see, I can understand why a guy isn't playing up to their potential and I can see why the Jags can assume that playing for a contender again, that he is going to be what he was last year, probably a little bit more motivation to continue to be good. But giving up a first and a second for a guy that can only play 50% of snaps and doesn't even see the field on third down is tremendous return.

• 31:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, I agree.

• 31:58Speaker 04

  Tremendous return.

• 31:59Speaker 00

  Did you see, by the way, Jordan Davis, like, you, you gotta be a Jordan Davis fan for the rest of your life. Did you see his interview?

• 32:05Speaker 04

  What?

• 32:05Speaker 00

  After he got traded? He was like, I'm happy that the, like, I got traded for a couple picks that will help the team.

• 32:11Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:13Speaker 00

  He's still an Eagles fan. I, listen, the Jags, I, I, I think like, listen, they could win the Super Bowl and they're going, like, Jesse Bates and Jordan Davis immediately help your defense. I, if they win, if they go to a Super Bowl, I think it was worth it because you're just trying to take, capitalize on it on a window that you have here. So I don't hate it for the Jags. I just, I think I love it more for the Eagles and being active and doing the thing they should do when they have a lost season, unlike a team like the biggest loser in this entire trade deadline, the Los Angeles Chargers. Like, what are you doing?

• 32:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is.

• 32:47Speaker 00

  What are you doing?

• 32:48Speaker 05

  If we're assigning like, who's fleecing who in this, I would absolutely say, yes, this is a great deal for Howie. This is what every team should do. Once it looks like they might be on the verge of a lost season. Like, say it, say it too soon. Don't hold on hope, especially if the hope is maybe possibly coming back, winning a shitty division, getting bounced in the first round. If that is the goal on the peak of your season, you are not in purgatory. You are in hell already. Recognize that you're in hell. Howie's doing a very good job. All I'm saying is that I think it's a great move for the Jaguars, turning one of their strengths into maybe even a bigger strength. Cause they've got two other guys on that line that are absolute monsters. Pair it up with Jordan Davis. I think it's gonna work really well for that defense. And Jesse Bates having maybe a, a, a career type season, um, as he's having right now,

• 33:30Speaker 05

  is going to shore up the other part of their defense that they needed help with. So I, I, I love it for the Jaguars, but yes, the Eagles, Howie did do a great job and he's done a great job in flipping all these guys. He just got fucked by the Bengals though. Cause the Bengals didn't understand the terms of the deal that they were trying to make with Howie today.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was crazy.

• 33:47Speaker 05

  And that they were gonna, they were gonna, and their understanding, um, not lose out on a compensatory pick, uh, that they would have gotten back. Turns out they would have lost out on that, so they backed out of the trade at the last second with Howie.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  That's okay. It's a six round pick, whatever. Um, I, I was a little bit mad about that for like 30 seconds and then I was like, it's a six round pick.

• 34:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:06Speaker 04

  Back to the, I also, from what I've understood of, I've, I've read a multitude of tweets on this Jordan Davis situation is that the Jags defense is very reliant on a nose tackle and their nose tackle went down, so they went out and got the best nose tackle in the league in Jordan Davis. So like, in that sense, fit wise, it, it makes sense that the Jags would bring in a guy like that. But for the Eagles, like, Moro Jomo's in a contract year. Moro Jomo has been fantastic for the Eagles. And with, while paying Jordan Davis and Jaylen Carter, you had, one, one of the three had to go at, at the end of this offseason.

• 34:43Speaker 05

  Right.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  So you got, you, now we're gonna keep Moro Jomo, use the money that we were paying Jordan Davis to pay Moro Jomo. And then you, and then you add a first and second round picks. So going forward, you don't even lose any, like, and in Howie's mind, you don't even lose any value on the defensive line. You keep two of the three guys and you pick up a first and second round pick. You're still in a win, in a competitive mode now while building towards the future and that's why Howie is.

• 35:11Speaker 00

  Howie did it again.

• 35:12Speaker 05

  But also Ed Dodds did it again, too.

• 35:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, Josh Downs to the Chiefs. Great move for the Chiefs.

• 35:17Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  That was smart. Keenan Allen to the 49ers. Great move for the 49ers.

• 35:22Speaker 05

  Interesting.

• 35:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:23Speaker 05

  Um, I mean, they, they just had to do something.

• 35:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, they need wide receivers.

• 35:27Speaker 05

  They needed bodies.

• 35:28Speaker 00

  I think the 49ers probably did the trade being like, in the best case scenario, Keenan Allen is not a factor come playoff time because, you know, Mike Evans is healthy and we're good.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  Or maybe just like, let Mike Evans take the rest of the regular season off.

• 35:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:41Speaker 05

  And then bring him back for the playoffs. Um, but yeah, they, they had to make a, a decision to bring some, some sort of body in that can catch passes. Uh, I think that, um, Downs to the Chiefs is exactly what the Chiefs need.

• 35:53Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 35:54Speaker 05

  I think that's a great move on their part. They did not move Taylor. I wonder how close that got to, to getting done.

• 36:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 05

  Like, what kind of offers they were looking for? Cause if you're looking at a running back and he's still very, very good, if there were any offers that were like, approaching, I would even say like, what, you think a second round pick for Taylor?

• 36:15Speaker 00

  I don't think, uh, he's, he's.

• 36:17Speaker 05

  Cause he's getting to that, to the end of that window.

• 36:19Speaker 00

  I don't know what, it probably was like, they wanted a second and they were getting offered a third or a fourth, maybe. Maybe that's how it was going. Yeah, I, I mean, the Colts, they did, they did a good job. So, uh, yeah, he will not be traded. So obviously. Um, yeah, I, uh, I, I'm trying to think who else want, like, the, the Broncos got, the Chargers did trade, uh, their linebacker Henley to the, to the Broncos for a fourth round pick. But I still, like, the Chargers, what are you doing?

• 36:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 00

  What are you doing?

• 36:52Speaker 05

  It's almost like they're punishing their, uh, their coaching staff.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  It's also.

• 36:56Speaker 05

  Like Harbaugh, you made this, you made these decisions. I'm gonna watch you continue for the rest of the season with these guys.

• 37:02Speaker 00

  We also just don't, I, I don't think we've talked about it enough, cause I mean, yes, we're a little biased, cause we love Harbaugh, but like, this is, the Chargers' season has been shocking to have a team this bad without having a major, major injury and having the same coach and same quarterback. It's like unheard of, teams to be this bad in, in this setting. And, and you would think they would've traded a bunch of guys. Khalil Mack doesn't get traded. I, yeah, it's just weird. So Chargers are a loser. Also, uh, the Bills got Amani Hooker. That was good. Got, got secondary help. That, I mean, the Bills feel like

• 37:41Speaker 00

  they are like, like, especially, I know they played Carson Wentz, that doesn't really count. And they played, you know, Stu Huntley and Joe Fignano. Uh, but based on what we've seen off those two games, again, with a grain of salt, their defense has looked a lot better coming out of the bye week. So they get a little help in the secondary. I mean, the Bills have everything to, to compete for a Super Bowl and it's good that they added something.

• 38:05Speaker 05

  And I think the other side of the, the, uh, the deal with Kirk Cousins is, obviously, we're gonna see Mendoza, which is just exciting.

• 38:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:12Speaker 05

  We get to see Mendoza take over for, for the Raiders. Cause the Raiders, they got off to a nice little start.

• 38:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:18Speaker 05

  They've been competitive. Say something nice about the Raiders. This has been, been a much more competitive season than we thought we were gonna get out of them. And now we get to watch a little, a little Mendoza.

• 38:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, they, they had a nice start. They haven't had a nice last.

• 38:30Speaker 05

  That's what I said. They got off to a nice start. Nice, nice little start. They've been more competitive.

• 38:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, what, at what point in the season is the nice start though, gone? Cause that was week one, two, three.

• 38:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, nice little start.

• 38:41Speaker 00

  Nice little start.

• 38:42Speaker 05

  That's, that's, that's all you can hope for. Like, the Raiders, because if you get off to a nice little start, what happens is you do not immediately get, you don't get lumped in as being like, the shittiest of the worst teams when we think back to like, uh, you know, who the, who the laughing stocks were over the course of a season.

• 39:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, they, they're, the Raiders are a, uh, they're the perfect bad team in the fact that their offense is fun and their defense is garbage. So, uh, we'll see if Fernando Mendoza can still keep the offense fun.

• 39:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:13Speaker 00

  But I'm always, my bad teams, I want them to just hit overs.

• 39:15Speaker 05

  Three wins and then keeping it competitive against the Chiefs, you can look back on that as being like, we got a lot to build from. It doesn't matter what happens for the other 13 games.

• 39:23Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, okay, Hank, are you mad the Patriots didn't get anyone?

• 39:28Speaker 03

  Not mad. I was, I was, I mean, they do need people, but they also don't have like a lot of, of draft capital and, and the defense is bad. Everyone's hurt. I feel like we're not in a all-in spot per se where we're gonna like leverage the future to, to, to, we, it's not like we have one missing piece.

• 39:46Speaker 00

  Right.

• 39:47Speaker 03

  So.

• 39:47Speaker 00

  Pass catcher though.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, we need a lot. We have, we have, we're like dead going to Germany.

• 39:54Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 39:55Speaker 03

  Tremontre's out.

• 39:56Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 39:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:58Speaker 00

  I also think the, uh, if you're talking about teams that didn't do anything, I feel like the Bengals, probably, there's Bengals fans who are a little upset that they didn't, you know, with the way they've been playing, just try to get the defense better. Steelers? I feel like Steelers should've maybe, especially cause they did the opposite where, you know, it's a long time ago, but they traded Joey Porter Jr. Uh, so they had extra picks to maybe shop around to, to bolster the team.

• 40:23Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 40:24Speaker 00

  So that, yeah, I don't know. Those, those are, those are the ones that stick out to me where it's like, hey, yeah, they could've maybe gone for something. Uh, Broncos maybe, maybe tight end. They were shopping around. They actually asked about Sam Laporta.

• 40:36Speaker 05

  Did they?

• 40:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:37Speaker 05

  And McBride.

• 40:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, and McBride.

• 40:39Speaker 05

  Made a lot of calls. What, what's going on with, uh, with Travion Hank? Is he okay?

• 40:44Speaker 03

  He's out. Ankle, knee.

• 40:47Speaker 05

  Is he all right?

• 40:49Speaker 03

  Like, today? Like, he's not playing this weekend?

• 40:51Speaker 05

  No, yeah, I know. The, the report of like him going to like get neurological tests and shit was kinda weird.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's, he's, he's been out. I don't, I don't know. I, I, I don't have inside info on his health.

• 41:05Speaker 00

  We don't speculate.

• 41:06Speaker 05

  We don't speculate around here.

• 41:07Speaker 00

  We don't.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  I know.

• 41:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:09Speaker 03

  I don't know. Yeah. It was, the question was worded in a way that like I hadn't like, I knew something.

• 41:13Speaker 05

  I just didn't know because I feel like the reporting on it, it's just been like, it's, leaves a lot unsaid.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  It does.

• 41:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:23Speaker 00

  Uh, what about you memes? Are you mad that the Jets didn't trade? They traded what? They traded, uh, Cisco? They traded Cisco. To the Lions, which is good for the Lions, just to get, try to get some secondary help. I thought they were gonna trade a couple guys like Nish.

• 41:37Speaker 05

  Right. They signed him just to not play him the entire season.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  Well, he's.

• 41:41Speaker 05

  No, they don't play him.

• 41:42Speaker 00

  I know, but he's not. I, I appreciate Neshon Wright for all the interceptions last year.

• 41:50Speaker 00

  He's not playing for a reason.

• 41:51Speaker 05

  Yeah. If you don't sign him, if you sign a guy, you gotta at least see what he's got.

• 41:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. True.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  Mimes is upset with.

• 41:57Speaker 00

  I don't know if he would have been able to be traded is my point.

• 42:01Speaker 05

  There.

• 42:02Speaker 00

  I guess maybe the Bears probably could have called and been like, hey, can we get him back for like a seventh?

• 42:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, you probably could have got it for free.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he might get caught, right?

• 42:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:12Speaker 00

  So then we probably would.

• 42:14Speaker 05

  Still can.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  Gino was being rumored. You happy you kept Gino?

• 42:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think I probably would have taken the third for him, but I, I get the plan. You don't want, you're keeping everybody on the offense for next year.

• 42:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:31Speaker 05

  And you want them to get a year under their belt, being good and going into next season. So he has something to build off of.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. Get it guys a third.

• 42:38Speaker 00

  No, he's saying if the, if the Kirk Cousins trade didn't happen, maybe that would have been a.

• 42:43Speaker 05

  The Vikings called the Jets about Gino.

• 42:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay.

• 42:45Speaker 05

  And they said, we're keeping him to develop guys for next year.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  Okay. Got it.

• 42:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  And then the Dolphins.

• 42:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, the Dolphins just won, won the tank.

• 42:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. Malik Willis is out.

• 42:55Speaker 05

  And now Kyle McCord is starting the next four games.

• 43:00Speaker 03

  What do we know about Kyle McCord?

• 43:03Speaker 00

  Uh, Ohio State, right?

• 43:05Speaker 05

  Ohio State, Syracuse.

• 43:06Speaker 00

  Syracuse. He was, remember he lost the big game. He lost to Michigan. That was a close one. I feel like it was that pass over the middle, I want to say. And then he got dogged pretty hard by Ohio, Ohio State fans. Was decently successful at Syracuse.

• 43:23Speaker 03

  I remember I bet on him one time.

• 43:24Speaker 00

  Philly guy.

• 43:25Speaker 03

  At Syracuse and he had like six interceptions in the first half.

• 43:28Speaker 00

  That was a Thursday night game. Yeah.

• 43:31Speaker 03

  You know exactly.

• 43:32Speaker 00

  I know exactly what game you're talking about.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Wouldn't stop throwing interceptions.

• 43:35Speaker 00

  He loved to throw those interceptions every now and then where just go crazy. But I, he was like, I feel like he was pretty close. Like he was, he was decent at Ohio State and then that they lost that Michigan game. And it was just like, all right, we're going.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  I think he was actually good at Syracuse, but I only remember the one game where he threw like 15 interceptions.

• 43:53Speaker 00

  Well, that's totally fair.

• 43:54Speaker 03

  He was 10 and three at Syracuse. Yeah.

• 43:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, he was good at Syracuse. And what, and what was his record at Ohio State?

• 44:01Speaker 05

  He was 11 and one.

• 44:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, but he lost to Michigan.

• 44:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, okay. Any other trade deadline stuff? I think that's it. Good trade deadline. But actually not.

• 44:11Speaker 05

  No, cause I.

• 44:12Speaker 00

  No, I wanted more. I wanted more.

• 44:13Speaker 05

  I wanted, Jerry thought about something and I want to know what Jerry thought about. I want to know the deal that almost happened in Dallas. Cause you know that he, you know, he was itching to pull the trigger on something.

• 44:21Speaker 00

  And I wanted to see the Bengals go for something, you know, like I wanted Bengals fans, they have to deal with a pretty cheap owner.

• 44:27Speaker 05

  All they got, yeah, all they got was we, we tried to make a deal and then didn't realize it was going to cost us come, uh, compensatory pick. So sorry, we're not doing that one.

• 44:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's just, uh, there's, it felt like there was going to be more teams making big splashes and it didn't happen. So I guess the, the winners, at least this week, cause you know, I do, obviously the Bears, uh, Jeffrey Simmons. And then Quentin Nelson, the Seahawks, like those are big trades, but the winners, I would say Vikings number one, clear.

• 44:56Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 44:56Speaker 00

  Right? Like they just had to do something. Vikings number one, maybe Chiefs, Josh Downs.

• 45:02Speaker 05

  That was a good move. Solid move. I, I do think that the, the Raiders are probably pretty pumped because they paid Kirk Cousins like vet minimum.

• 45:10Speaker 00

  And they have to fix that entire defense.

• 45:12Speaker 05

  And then, yeah. And then we'll take a, we'll take a third rounder for him.

• 45:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 45:16Speaker 05

  Good job, Spy Tech.

• 45:17Speaker 00

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  Orders must be $200 or more to apply. That's PMT20 at checkout for $20 off your first order. Okay. Hot seat, cool throne. Hank, by the way, Notre Dame Saturday night was incredible. That you gotta go, shout out Tick Pick. You gotta go to live sporting events. Like I go into that game, I was just like, oh yeah, I remember why like a big college football Saturday game feels the way it does. It was, Notre Dame's campus, by the way, is like straight out of a magazine. Oh, a perfect day, perfect day. Okay, Hank. Hot seat, cool throne.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  Uh, my hot seat's Airbnb.

• 48:46Speaker 00

  Oh no.

• 48:47Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  Our queen.

• 48:50Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 48:51Speaker 03

  Jordan.

• 48:52Speaker 00

  Well, no, our queen.

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Our podcast queen.

• 48:55Speaker 05

  You've said some disrespectful things about Jordan recently.

• 48:57Speaker 00

  And you also took Bill Belichick's side in the breakup.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:03Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 49:04Speaker 05

  I'm waiting for all the facts to come out. And I also, I also think that, um.

• 49:08Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't like a queen, a queen, a queen is a queen, even if I don't necessarily, I could, I could be a supporter of someone else and she's still the queen of the realm.

• 49:15Speaker 05

  So no.

• 49:17Speaker 03

  Is the queen.

• 49:17Speaker 05

  Okay. No, do you have, when, when thrones break up.

• 49:20Speaker 03

  You can, you don't agree with her, you know, throwing up 500 people and just ruining, ruining the sept, but like.

• 49:26Speaker 05

  She gets beheaded, you get beheaded with her too.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's how it works. You did a line in the sand. You said Belichick over Jordan. We did a line in the sand. We said, why not both?

• 49:37Speaker 03

  Well, she's suing Airbnb on behalf of Belichick. So I'm on her side with this.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 49:42Speaker 03

  She is suing Airbnb because, uh, and the host for leaking the video of Belichick walking out. On the porch, which is basically what started, you know, how their relationship got leaked and everything. And the, the exchange that her and the host had is, is laugh out loud funny. I don't know if you guys read the article.

• 50:02Speaker 00

  No, tell us, tell us. By the way, I Berenstein bared this, uh, Belichick video where I just. I, I watched it for the first time in like two years yesterday. I was convinced he farted.

• 50:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's what you said. So the first time that we talked about on the air, I, I was impressed by how powerful he looked. Walking out of the Airbnb and you said, that's a man that has just ripped a, a nice juicy fart.

• 50:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. Because he's got like you, everyone knows, like you're in a new relationship. You don't really want to just rip ass in front of, you know, the girl you're trying to impress. So you take a step outside and then you just let it fucking go. I, I, in my head, I, he just always farted and I, I don't think there was a fart in the video. So, okay.

• 50:43Speaker 03

  Uh, she said the video basically made, made their relationship go public, which they had intended to remain private, which, which was news to me.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 50:50Speaker 03

  Uh, led to ridicule and denigration of Miss Hudson through numerous tabloid stories published by the media. And then some of their like back and forth between her and the host, hostess got leaked. Where she was like, hey, the host has said something about, you know, we saw this video reminder, no parking. She was like, yep, no worries, won't park there. Uh, but you're not going to put that video out, right? And then followed up being like, hey, just so we're on the same page, like you're not putting that video out there, right? Like it's, you know, out of respect to my privacy. And the host has just said, yes, we will delete it off the ring camera. But just so you know, like videos are never permanently deleted. Uh, and then like in the lawsuit, the hostess came out and said that she had like sent it to one of her friends to confirm it was Belichick.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  They went back and forth and then after they, they went on the public Tory podcast anonymously, which obviously Jordan knew. You know, it was the Airbnb host. It's not anonymous. Like that was, that was pretty stupid. She, uh, replied to her, said, you gave more footage directly to a reporter. You must be out of your mind, Elise. This is so illegal.

• 51:51Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  Then the hostess in their Airbnb got taken off Airbnb for breach of privacy. Then the hostess got mad at Jordan and told her, now that you destroyed our livelihood, we're weighing our options about whom we will talk to and what we will discuss with them. You're not even famous now. You're infamous. Good for you. So just, it's just a, it's a battle.

• 52:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:13Speaker 03

  Petty wars.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  Well, I, I take Jordan's side in all this. I think it's disgusting that Bill Belichick would be on the receiving end of some sort of illegal spy camera footage thing. I don't think that he's done anything in his life to deserve anything like that. I think that Jordan does have a reasonable expectation of privacy. I'm confused. Why, why did, do you think Jordan said that this like blew up their relationship because it was just Bill that was on the camera? I mean, there's something, there's a missing piece. I'm trying to connect that dot.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  The, I think she had done the Airbnb.

• 52:45Speaker 00

  In her name?

• 52:45Speaker 03

  In her name.

• 52:46Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  So when it was Belichick on the camera, it was pretty easy. Like the, the, this lady leaked it. Like, oh, like who was Airbnb? It was, it was Jordan Hudson and then it, it came out.

• 52:55Speaker 00

  I, uh, this just goes further. I, I've had this take for a while, but hotels are just fine. I don't know where, when we got off of hotels, but like Airbnb.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Belichick.

• 53:07Speaker 00

  No, I understand, but Airbnb is like, like, I think it's fucked up that you, that someone is, is filming and then sharing the, the, the video. That is fucked up. Hotels are just fine. Airbnbs, I feel like have started to take a dip because people realize, oh, we had Airbnb. They were just hotels. And it got cleaned every day and you could stay at a nice hotel and Airbnb's, you can basically get sold a bill of goods that are just like, you show up to an Airbnb and it's totally different than what shows on the, on the, on the app and all these things.

• 53:39Speaker 05

  I also think that it's a misleading name for a company, Airbnb, because the B and B implies that there's breakfast involved. There's never breakfast.

• 53:45Speaker 00

  Never.

• 53:45Speaker 05

  You can't even make pancakes. They don't have enough equipment to make pancakes.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  That's facts. And Max, what are you gonna say?

• 53:52Speaker 04

  What do you mean with Hank? When he said hotels and you're like, but Belichick?

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Like if Belichick's going in and out of a hotel in Massachusetts.

• 54:00Speaker 04

  Four Seasons is, is like capable of.

• 54:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. And he doesn't have to go, they don't have to go in at the same time.

• 54:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:07Speaker 00

  They just get a hotel. Like he could say to Four Seasons, hey, I have another guest. Here's her name. They're not going to leak that.

• 54:14Speaker 04

  No shot.

• 54:15Speaker 03

  Not no shot, but.

• 54:17Speaker 00

  I mean, a pretty good shot. A high-end hotel is not going to leak that.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  That's like their whole thing. It's like you come here for privacy.

• 54:24Speaker 05

  Right. Because then their, their whole business model would be like, nobody would say to Four Seasons anymore. Like famous people would be like, no.

• 54:29Speaker 00

  I just think hotels like, uh, we, we just had.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  Have Four Seasons in Winthrop.

• 54:33Speaker 00

  The, the.

• 54:34Speaker 05

  That's one of the seasons.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  Airbnb had a moment where it was like, this is so awesome. You could stay at a, a house. It's so cool. And now we're starting to realize like, yeah, it's like, and then, and then you finish the Airbnb stay and you have like a list of chores you have to do.

• 54:47Speaker 05

  And they get longer every time.

• 54:48Speaker 00

  Oh my God.

• 54:49Speaker 05

  It's like, yeah, you gotta feed the cat. I didn't know you had a cat.

• 54:52Speaker 00

  Oh, you got it. When you check it, like somehow also checking in at Airbnb has become more difficult than checking in at a hotel.

• 54:59Speaker 05

  Oh yeah. Sorry.

• 54:59Speaker 00

  Oh, I got a lockbox and it's not going to open until four o'clock. And then like, you know, this door and that.

• 55:04Speaker 05

  Why are you there? Why are you there at 4:30? We're not open till six.

• 55:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. So yeah, hotels. Hotel, stay at hotels.

• 55:11Speaker 05

  Also Airbnb's, they all shop at like the same place. They have the same kind of cheap decor that is supposed to look like it costs a little bit of money, but it never does. It, it always looks like the stuff that's left over. After, uh, kids move into their apartments in college.

• 55:24Speaker 00

  The same painting of the Brooklyn Bridge that you get at Target for $25.

• 55:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:28Speaker 00

  Every single one has it.

• 55:30Speaker 05

  Yeah. The worst, so true hang up art of all time.

• 55:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's, it's, it's furniture that if you sit on as a bigger guy, you sit on, you think you're going to break.

• 55:38Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  What? Gotta check the weight capacity.

• 55:40Speaker 00

  Oh, so some of those couches are so, so deceitful.

• 55:45Speaker 05

  The kitchen chairs that they have at Airbnb is they, they're pretty much held together with a stapler.

• 55:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. The, the, the tables are just like, if you, if you bump into the table, it's all going to collapse.

• 55:55Speaker 04

  So God forbid if there's any patio furniture.

• 55:57Speaker 03

  Oh, you sit on it and it just fucking breaks right under you. I hate that.

• 56:01Speaker 05

  I think that Jordan and, and Mr. Belichick should have had every opportunity to, uh, go to whatever type of quaint Cape Cod Airbnb that they wanted to. I think it's disgusting that, that there were spy camera. It, it does sound like the person that, that runs this Airbnb.

• 56:16Speaker 03

  Winthrop is not Cape Cod.

• 56:18Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't, I don't know. Where's Winthrop?

• 56:19Speaker 03

  Like outside of Boston.

• 56:21Speaker 05

  Okay. Um, North Shore, South Shore.

• 56:22Speaker 00

  More, more reason to stay at the Four Seasons.

• 56:25Speaker 05

  North?

• 56:26Speaker 00

  More reason to stay at the Four Seasons.

• 56:27Speaker 05

  But, but also if you want to do a nice little getaway, you should, it sounds like the people that ran this Airbnb were sending a message to Jordan via their text. On the Airbnb app saying like, we know who this coach is, blah, blah, blah. It's never really deleted. It does sound like that they were trying to get their pound of flesh out of it, which is kind of gross.

• 56:47Speaker 04

  Yeah. Allegedly she said, uh, it's clear who's in this video. I'll leave it at that.

• 56:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:51Speaker 04

  It's like a threat.

• 56:52Speaker 00

  By the way, we should do, furniture should have, uh, like weight capacities, like elevators.

• 56:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:58Speaker 00

  Not.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  They do.

• 57:00Speaker 00

  Well, no, like actually like, like on it in front of, not on the box.

• 57:04Speaker 04

  When you, okay, got it, got it.

• 57:06Speaker 00

  And I, I would actually prefer if it wasn't actual weight, it was just measurements of like this couch can handle one and a half real men. This couch can handle two real men, a, a woman and a dog. Like just base off that.

• 57:22Speaker 05

  They've got like the.

• 57:22Speaker 00

  This couch can handle a, a, a, a twink of a man.

• 57:26Speaker 05

  It's just got the bumper stickers like that you put on the back of your car to show how big your family is.

• 57:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:30Speaker 05

  It should have one of those like on the tag.

• 57:32Speaker 00

  Fat guy, skinny guy, dog.

• 57:34Speaker 05

  I was amazed.

• 57:35Speaker 00

  Little, like seven-year-old child.

• 57:37Speaker 05

  I was amazed. I, I had like an Airbnb type situation in Spain and I got into the shower.

• 57:42Speaker 00

  Were you in Spain?

• 57:43Speaker 05

  In the shower, I was in, it was in Spain.

• 57:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:45Speaker 05

  Um, the shower situation in Spain was like, I was a giant.

• 57:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:50Speaker 05

  It didn't even get to the top of my head. Apparently Spanish people are really short.

• 57:53Speaker 00

  That's all of Europe. They all drive in tiny little cars.

• 57:56Speaker 05

  I felt like such a, like, like a, a, pretty much like a basketball player over there.

• 57:59Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Good hot seat, Hank.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 58:02Speaker 00

  Good discussion.

• 58:03Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 58:03Speaker 00

  Way to pod.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 58:04Speaker 05

  Wait, so whose side are you on?

• 58:06Speaker 03

  Jordan.

• 58:06Speaker 05

  Okay, good.

• 58:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. Not Belichick's.

• 58:09Speaker 03

  Jordan and Belichick.

• 58:10Speaker 00

  Okay. Sounds like you're playing both sides. We would never do that.

• 58:14Speaker 05

  One of the funniest parts about this whole saga to me was when they showed like the pictures of Jordan in the stadium at Foxborough. Like high definition, high-res pictures of her in Belichick's seats from a couple of years ago. And completely kind of, we, we, we washed away the discussion of, oh yeah, when you go to a sporting event.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  Oh yeah.

• 58:32Speaker 05

  You're having high definition pictures taken of you at all times in a 360 degree camera that you can go back and zoom in on your, your individual face and see what you were wearing that day.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  That is because we are stupid.

• 58:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:43Speaker 00

  And when that technology first came out, we thought it was the coolest thing ever that you could go and look and find yourself at a game. Not realizing, oh shit, now they can just take all of our faces forever.

• 58:56Speaker 05

  You're every, everywhere you go, there's, there's a camera pointed at you now.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  Yes. Can't exist.

• 59:02Speaker 05

  Also, I mean, that Belichick looks great in that picture. We can say that, like.

• 59:06Speaker 00

  And he did rip a fart. Whether it was there or, or later on, he ripped a fart, but a strong fart, a masculine fart.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  That's what, that's what men do.

• 59:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. Men, what men do is we fart and we break furniture.

• 59:18Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 59:19Speaker 00

  This guy's being dudes. All right.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  Uh, my cool throne smoking dope.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:25Speaker 03

  Dan Orlovsky.

• 59:26Speaker 00

  What a weird clip.

• 59:31Speaker 00

  You see this BFT?

• 59:32Speaker 05

  I did.

• 59:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:33Speaker 03

  He was on, it was like Monday night countdown or whatever, like one of the pre-game shows. And he was like, you know, doing the, like holding a pencil in his mouth.

• 59:41Speaker 00

  Because of Sean Payton.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. Pretending to like, you know, did a little like fake. He's like, I've actually never smoked marijuana. Can't say the same about my wife though.

• 59:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. Just throwing his wife under the bus.

• 59:50Speaker 03

  His, Dan Orlovsky's wife parties.

• 59:52Speaker 00

  We gotta get him on again. Cause he's got, he's, I feel like he's, he's on a take. He's on a take like a hot streak right now.

• 59:59Speaker 05

  I feel like.

• 59:59Speaker 00

  He's pissing off the internet like every other day.

• 1:00:01Speaker 05

  If dinner left, if he smoked weed, his taste in food would be so much better.

• 1:00:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:06Speaker 05

  He would, he would understand like all the shit that we always say to him when he's like, oh, wait, you guys don't put ketchup on your tacos?

• 1:00:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. Play it. Hey Dan, I don't know if that's where you put it. I've never smoked anything in my life. I can tell. Can't say the same about my wife.

• 1:00:22Speaker 00

  I love it because you know too, like in Dan's house, his wife might eat like a five milligram edible. And that's the equivalent to like dropping like a pound of acid. Like she's like, oh man, my wife is on the moon tonight.

• 1:00:37Speaker 05

  No, she has like.

• 1:00:38Speaker 00

  Should we put on the Pink Floyd?

• 1:00:39Speaker 05

  She has CBD. She takes like a CBD tincture before, before she goes to bed. He's like, you want, you want me to put on the Willie Nelson for you babe?

• 1:00:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh shit. Are you seeing shit in the ceiling?

• 1:00:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. Hey, your mom's Snoop Dogg is, is back.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  Oh, very funny clip.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, Dan. I, I like Dan. I know he pisses off the internet, but I think he's like, once you.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  That was like enraging.

• 1:00:59Speaker 00

  No, no, no. But he, like it was a very funny clip. I'm, I'm saying he pisses off the internet with his takes. I think he's, he, he's a rare guy that he doesn't. He doesn't really care when like he'll say something and then people will get upset at him.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  He's like Steven Che.

• 1:01:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's a weird brain. I like that about him. We'll have him back on.

• 1:01:18Speaker 05

  I think he sometimes also does it knowing what your reactions could be.

• 1:01:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:22Speaker 05

  I think he likes stirring the pot.

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  He had a stretch. He had a stretch.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  I mean, the completion percentage was one of the, like, there's no way he thought, he knew what he was doing.

• 1:01:29Speaker 00

  That was crazy.

• 1:01:29Speaker 05

  But he also.

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  Which one? The completion percentage?

• 1:01:33Speaker 00

  He also.

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  Not knowing what the percentage is.

• 1:01:35Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:35Speaker 05

  Percent, yeah.

• 1:01:36Speaker 00

  He, he does something, uh, really well where I think that if you polled every fan base, they'd be like, yeah, Dan Orlovsky hates my quarterback, except for the Rams.

• 1:01:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, the Rams and.

• 1:01:46Speaker 00

  And maybe the Bills.

• 1:01:47Speaker 05

  Honestly, until last night, he was a big Carson Wentz guy.

• 1:01:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was, but he, I know specifically, like there was a couple of weeks in a row where Caleb had a couple of good games and Dan's first like Monday tweet would just be like, like after the Panthers game, week one, he'd be like, man, this Panthers defensive tape. And everyone's like, dude, can you give Caleb some credit? He, he's good at that.

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  Well, sometimes, sometimes he also just does like, he, he talks about the tape that he just watched, but he won't say if it's good or bad.

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. He'll say, I told you all.

• 1:02:13Speaker 05

  Yeah. And then, and then he'll have to explain what he did see on that tape.

• 1:02:17Speaker 00

  We gotta start doing those vagues. I told you all, middle of Sunday. What'd you tell us?

• 1:02:22Speaker 05

  Some guys shouldn't be allowed to say y'all. I think Orlovsky might be one of those guys. I think we need to.

• 1:02:26Speaker 00

  I feel uncomfortable saying y'all.

• 1:02:28Speaker 05

  We need to take the y'all pass away from him.

• 1:02:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay.

• 1:02:33Speaker 00

  PFT.

• 1:02:33Speaker 05

  Uh, my hot seat is 12 teams.

• 1:02:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:38Speaker 05

  Cause we're on, we're on to four, we're on to 24 teams now in college football.

• 1:02:41Speaker 00

  Officially.

• 1:02:42Speaker 05

  Officially, officially on, we know that they had said that it could take place for the first time, uh, I guess 2028, but they moved that up a year.

• 1:02:49Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:02:49Speaker 05

  So it's going to be next year in college football. We're going to get a 12 team playoff. And, um, yeah, so fans of like mid-tier, uh, large conference teams can rejoice. There's a lot of games that if you look at the schedule this past weekend and moving forward for the rest of the season, I feel like won't have the same amount of juice.

• 1:03:06Speaker 00

  Nope.

• 1:03:07Speaker 05

  But then there will be some teams like your, uh, Vanderbilt's of the world and your

• 1:03:11Speaker 00

  Wisconsin.

• 1:03:12Speaker 05

  Your Purdue's of the world.

• 1:03:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, if we get that, we're not, we got ranked for the first time in like five years and then we lost it right away. So I can't confidently say yes right now.

• 1:03:21Speaker 05

  I, I was talking about them being scheduled. Like they're, they're going to be a lot of teams that are, they get their panties in a bunch to, to schedule some of the worst power conference teams because of the way that you'll have to set up your schedule moving forward. But you're right, Hank. Like if, if you're a mid-tier team, then, um, this is very good news for you. Pretty much guarantees that Notre Dame gets into the playoff every single year.

• 1:03:41Speaker 00

  Well, that's already happened.

• 1:03:42Speaker 05

  It, which should already happen now that they beat Miami.

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  Well, no, I'm saying the Notre Dame rule.

• 1:03:46Speaker 05

  The memory, uh, the memorandum of understanding.

• 1:03:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:50Speaker 05

  But yeah, so this is, it just got fast forward one year and I feel like, uh, it's a, it's, it's, it's great news also if you're a fan of Disney or ESPN.

• 1:03:57Speaker 00

  The, so we're going to talk with Tom Fornelli, uh, about some college football. But yeah, like this last Saturday, I know it was kind of a dud. We was very hyped up, but there was just not very competitive games. There were big games, but they weren't super competitive outside of Miami, Notre Dame, and maybe Holy War. But the Holy War would have been a, a good example where BYU is probably out of the playoff now.

• 1:04:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:18Speaker 00

  And next year, that game, yes, it still means something because it's Holy War, but both teams are totally safe with the result. Kentucky, Tennessee, number one, where it's like totally safe. Ole Miss, Georgia, Ole Miss got absolutely pummeled.

• 1:04:30Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:31Speaker 00

  They'd be totally fine.

• 1:04:32Speaker 05

  And bowl games, uh,

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  LSU, LSU would be in right now. LSU doesn't, like, listen, we like Lane a lot. We're rooting for LSU. They have not beaten, what's their best win? Texas A&M? Like, they got embarrassed. So.

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  At the, the one thing that did come out yesterday though, that I am happy they're doing, and I'm, I'm sad to see it go, but because they forced 24 down our throats, it was a necessary adjustment. No more conference championship games for the power four. I'm sad to see those go, but they've lost their meaning for a while now. Like it just, it, it's, it's not worth it to have an extra game that means nothing.

• 1:05:09Speaker 05

  It's the conference championship games and it's also the bowl games. Bowl season means, means less than nothing now. And back in our day, like when we were growing up, it was like, but we, we, we did successfully trick ourselves into thinking that bowl season meant something because these two teams get a, a free tree, uh, free trip to Shreveport, Louisiana.

• 1:05:25Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  And they get a, a gift bag with Beats by Dre in them.

• 1:05:28Speaker 00

  Dude.

• 1:05:28Speaker 05

  And it's like, these guys, you think this doesn't mean something to Purdue?

• 1:05:32Speaker 00

  When I went.

• 1:05:32Speaker 05

  Making this trip?

• 1:05:33Speaker 00

  When we went down to South Bend, I drove with Brandon Walker and Brandon Walker's a Mississippi State fan. I'm a Wisconsin fan and we're, we know where we exist in the college football landscape. We're in that, you know, at our best, we're in a, you know, it's a 10 to 20 range, uh, somewhere around there. I was saying like, I am sad about losing, like going nine and three and winning the Outback Bowl, fucking rocked. That was awesome. Like I remember we beat Auburn in a, in a bowl game. I don't know, 20 years ago. It was like, that was a great season. That was so much fun. Like what a, what a great season. But now we've lost that. Now you just go to the playoff, get your shit kicked in and be like, well, we went to the playoff.

• 1:06:15Speaker 05

  They saying back in the day, like, we went to a good bowl game this year.

• 1:06:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:19Speaker 05

  Was like, you could hang your hat on that.

• 1:06:20Speaker 00

  Dude, you get a January 1st bowl game in a warm weather climate. That's a, that's the, the best thing you could ever have. I went to two Rose Bowls. It was awesome.

• 1:06:27Speaker 05

  Like, but you could, it, it was a sliding scale where like a good bowl game could mean anything depending on what school you went to.

• 1:06:33Speaker 00

  Well, good bowl game was first weather.

• 1:06:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:36Speaker 00

  Then date.

• 1:06:36Speaker 05

  Good bowl game was, was completely subjective, but it was like, that was a successful year because we went to a good bowl game. Something which like, it was completely made up.

• 1:06:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:44Speaker 05

  In terms of like the prestige of it.

• 1:06:46Speaker 00

  But weather, weather trumped all because it was like, they would play the, the Popeyes, like Bahamas Bowl, like in December, like 12th. That was still a great bowl game.

• 1:06:56Speaker 05

  Yeah. What do you think about doing bowl games, uh, week one or week zero?

• 1:07:01Speaker 00

  Don't hate it.

• 1:07:03Speaker 05

  That way at least it does actually mean something for the, for the calendar, for the schedule. But then you're, you're convincing some team to give up a home game.

• 1:07:09Speaker 00

  Oh, you know, it'd be cool is if they did like the world cup draw for like the first two weeks of the season. Did like a quick pod off.

• 1:07:16Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:07:16Speaker 00

  Or maybe first three weeks.

• 1:07:18Speaker 05

  What if it was the college football cup?

• 1:07:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, it'd be cool.

• 1:07:20Speaker 05

  In season tournament. Now we're cooking with gas.

• 1:07:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:24Speaker 05

  Yeah. So 24 team playoff starting next year. Uh, I, I can't say that this is the beginning of the end for college football because college football, as we've said, it's a ridiculous sport. It will still figure out a way for every game to have some sort of meaning to it. I just think it's going to be a little bit different and it's just one more step to, to having, uh, the powers that be in the media rights holders control every single facet of the sport, which they already do. But this is another very clear step in that direction.

• 1:07:50Speaker 00

  You'll be happy to know that I'm now off it again.

• 1:07:53Speaker 05

  Good.

• 1:07:53Speaker 00

  I had a little flirtation with 24 teams. I think it was because it hit right in the calendar where it was like, we hadn't seen, we'd seen, you know, there's some one loss teams that look still really good. There's some two lost teams that look still really good. And now we're like, after watching this past weekend, I don't, no offense, I don't need LSU in a, in a bowl, in, in the playoff. You know what I mean? Like Ohio State is bad right now. I don't need them in the playoff.

• 1:08:19Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's, it's a different sport than basketball. Like in basketball, we can convince ourselves that a flawed team can go on a run in March and they can win the championship. And when they do, we'll say that they're a deserving champion because they went through the bracket.

• 1:08:30Speaker 00

  But even that.

• 1:08:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. But we would say that, like, even if, if it was a, a, not necessarily like a 10 seed winning, but if it was like a five seed or a four seed winning, we would still say, even though over the course of a regular season, they'd, they'd had some bad losses to some better teams. We would say, hey, they beat who was ever in front of them in the playoff. And, and that's what you have to do in March is like just advance through the bracket and they were the best team, the last one standing. But football's different. It's different when it comes to how many games you can play. The sample size by its very nature can't be as large over the course of a regular season because you need all that time between games to recuperate and to game plan for the next one. And it's, it's just a different sport. And I, I feel like the, uh, champion of college football should be judged by a different set of criteria than the champion of college basketball.

• 1:09:14Speaker 00

  And even college basketball, you could make the, the argument, like if you look at advanced stats and stuff before the tournament, there's only a list of, you know, 10 teams that could realistically win the, the, the March Madness. But it, you know, the basketball, you can find upsets because teams get cold. But yeah, football, it's like, I, I was looking, uh, what's the guy's name? I think Bill Connolly from ESPN. He was like, maybe the only guy who tells the truth at ESPN. He wrote a whole article about the last five years.

• 1:09:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:41Speaker 00

  If they had the playoff. And it was like, he has all the advanced stats and everything. Most years it was like 11 of the 24 teams had an under 1% chance of winning the playoff.

• 1:09:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:53Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? So it's that, that type of stuff. Whereas like, when you have, yeah, ESPN, uh, Bill C, he's really good. He does the S and P and all that stuff. The, uh, it, it's just, it's not like NFL even. NFL, you see a seven seed can go all the way. You know what I mean? Like they're, the, the margin is, is thin. It's just the, the 24th team in the first ranked team are playing a different sport.

• 1:10:15Speaker 05

  Yep. And I guess we're going to get home games to the first two rounds because

• 1:10:18Speaker 00

  That's good.

• 1:10:19Speaker 05

  Half the teams will get a bye.

• 1:10:20Speaker 00

  That's good.

• 1:10:21Speaker 05

  I do like.

• 1:10:21Speaker 00

  More playoff games at home.

• 1:10:22Speaker 05

  I'm in favor of more games in general at home. Like, I don't think that there should, with the exception of maybe one or two games, uh, just based in tradition. I don't think that they should play neutral site college football games.

• 1:10:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:33Speaker 05

  At all.

• 1:10:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Good hot seat.

• 1:10:36Speaker 05

  Uh, cool throne. I'll just make a quick cool throne. This is actually a, a plug for my college comedy writing professor, Inman Majors. He's got a book that came out.

• 1:10:45Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:10:45Speaker 05

  It's very funny. It sounds kind of like the life of Paul Bissonette a little bit, but it's about like a, a Canadian hockey player from Vancouver that moves down to Arizona. It's called Arizona Showdown. It just came out, uh, from Inman Majors. He's a very, very funny writer, a great guy. I definitely would not be here if it wasn't for him. It was the only class that I cared about at all in college. So he's got a new book out and I'm going to go buy it right now. And if you're into that sort of thing, I would encourage you to take a look at it.

• 1:11:09Speaker 00

  Okay. Nice.

• 1:11:10Speaker 05

  Check it out.

• 1:11:11Speaker 00

  Uh, okay. My hot seat is Kentucky, the state. So follow along here, PFT, because I, I, I, I went upstairs. So our guys are here, the Kentucky sports radio guys, Matt Jones, Drew Franklin, this new guy they got Billy, who I can't get my finger on. He's like, he basically, he, I went on their show and he was like, I want to be in the internet invitational. And I was like, okay, what do you do? And he was like, well, I'm a pretty good golfer.

• 1:11:38Speaker 05

  We need more of those.

• 1:11:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. I was just like, okay. It's like, when someone like comes up, it's like, hey, hire me. I'm, I'm, my friends think I'm funny. It's like, what, what else do you have? So, uh, but I, something about him, I, I was like, maybe I, he's an interesting cat. But either way, we got talking in Kentucky sports radio because they're here for the champions classic. Uh, Kentucky is playing Duke tonight. And I asked him about the season and they said, it's not, it's not looking like great right now. There's a little bit of apathy in Kentucky basketball. And we have, so they asked me, do we, do, do I put Mark Pope on the hot seat? And I said, no. I think it's the entire state of Kentucky because we have obviously put Calipari on the hot seat many years. Didn't really work. Kentucky

• 1:12:22Speaker 00

  has won one national title in 30 years. They won, they haven't been to the final four since 2015. This is a blue blood program. This is a blue blood state. Basketball means something in Kentucky. I think they forced our hand, PFT. I think we have to put the entire state of Kentucky. Kentucky on the hot seat in order to get some results out of Kentucky basketball. They haven't been to the weekend of the SCC tournament in five years. That used to be the Wildcat Invitational.

• 1:12:52Speaker 05

  Right, man. It's a, it's a football school now and that's okay.

• 1:12:55Speaker 00

  No, it's sad. I don't like it.

• 1:12:57Speaker 05

  Football is a big sport in America. I mean, the tournament just, it's almost as big as the basketball tournament now. So you can just hang your hat on that. Like Will, yeah, Will Stein.

• 1:13:05Speaker 00

  I love Will Stein. No, the football program is in great hands, but I'm saying like as a basketball program, it's not enough to put Mark Pope on the hot seat. I think we gotta put every single person in Kentucky on the hot seat. Do you follow what you're down for?

• 1:13:18Speaker 05

  The people of the Commonwealth.

• 1:13:19Speaker 00

  Cause it's not working.

• 1:13:20Speaker 05

  Are they losing fans to Louisville? If I was a kid growing up in, in Kentucky and I was thinking about basketball, I'd probably think about Louisville.

• 1:13:27Speaker 00

  I don't think they're losing fans Louisville. I asked Matt Jones if like, there's going to be a lot of Kentucky fans here. He said, less than it has been, which that's a bad sign. So.

• 1:13:37Speaker 05

  My, my, my thing with Mark Pope is he seems like a great guy, like gritty, scrappy, uh, easily likable. I would like Kentucky basketball to have a little bit of a dick hat as their coach.

• 1:13:49Speaker 00

  Like, uh, maybe Nate Oats?

• 1:13:51Speaker 05

  I didn't say that, but I mean.

• 1:13:52Speaker 00

  Basketball coach.

• 1:13:54Speaker 05

  A Nate Oats.

• 1:13:54Speaker 00

  Basketball.

• 1:13:55Speaker 05

  A Nate Oats type of guy that would come in. Well, now that you mention it, um, didn't Jay Bat, their athletic director, wasn't he a Nate Oats guy?

• 1:14:02Speaker 00

  I think so.

• 1:14:03Speaker 05

  I think he was.

• 1:14:04Speaker 00

  Nate Oats is a pretty good basketball coach.

• 1:14:06Speaker 05

  Better when, when Kentucky has kind of a dick head as their head coach that everybody can hate. They're not hateable enough for us, which means they're probably not likable enough for you at Kentucky.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, yeah. They, I want Kentucky to be the other, like, like when you're, when you're choosing between the, the chicken and the steak. I want Kentucky is the steak to Duke's chicken where it's like, I know Kentucky does a lot of the same things. Like they can get all the players. They had all the best recruiting Cal, Coach K. They, you know, similar, similar stuff going on. I want to be able to pick Kentucky and be like, I hate Duke. And yes, that's hypocritical, but I wanted to be an open hypocrite about it.

• 1:14:44Speaker 05

  I would also like if, if maybe Mark Pope had some sort of like minor, minor recruiting scandal.

• 1:14:49Speaker 00

  The Mormon.

• 1:14:50Speaker 05

  Yeah. That's what I'm saying. He's like too good of a guy. It's like, you need, Kentucky should be playing dirty right now.

• 1:14:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. My cool throne is, uh, Bears fans online because this probably didn't cross your guys desk, but Bears fans online might've saved a life on Sunday night. So there is an account on Twitter, uh, Yuri. I don't know if, I, I don't know if it's a, a man or a female. I think it's a man. Yuri in, I think the person lives in Australia or, uh, New Zealand or somewhere. Uh, it's treat Machan well.

• 1:15:23Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:15:24Speaker 00

  Uh, if you're looking for it, Max. So this person.

• 1:15:27Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:15:28Speaker 00

  That, I'm telling you that they're.

• 1:15:29Speaker 05

  Treat Machin well?

• 1:15:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. Treat M A C H A N. Well. This person on Sunday, uh, tweeted, if I kill myself, then I'm just no longer a burden.

• 1:15:43Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:15:44Speaker 00

  Luther Burden gets knocked out on Sunday night.

• 1:15:47Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:15:48Speaker 00

  Bears fans start searching for an update on his injury.

• 1:15:51Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:15:52Speaker 00

  Found this tweet.

• 1:15:55Speaker 00

  The first person said, uh, word I can't say, shut the fuck up. We are searching for Luther Burden injury updates as a reply.

• 1:16:01Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:16:02Speaker 00

  But then a bunch of Bears fans started replying being like, hey, life is good. Don't worry about it. Like, hey, we got you.

• 1:16:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08Speaker 00

  And now we've just adopted this person. I offered this person, if they ever in America, they get free tickets to any Bears game they want, including if we ever get to the Superbowl on me, but they are like every, and then this person, I think they're in college. They keep tweeting like, oh, nailed like, did really well on my math exam. And just 400 replies of Bears fans being like, you got like way to go, win. So Bears fans might've saved the life on Sunday.

• 1:16:35Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:16:35Speaker 00

  It's pretty, it's a pretty fun, like the internet's not the worst place all the time type of situation that's going on and it's awesome to see.

• 1:16:43Speaker 05

  Is this person okay now?

• 1:16:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. They said, yeah. Uh, so, so, so they, they obviously had a little confusion being like, what the hell's going on? Why am I getting ratioed for this? Uh, this is, this is crazy. But yeah, like woke up and said, I went to sleep and now I have 1,500 followers. She, they then said, new Chicago Bears, uh, fans, you're all awesome, but please don't spam my other mutuals, football stuff, fair request. Eight, 8,000 followers the next day. Uh, yeah. And then she's just like, yeah, or he, I, I don't know. Cause the problem is this account keeps tweeting, um, anime emojis. And I just always assume that's a girl. I know that's probably wrong, but that's just my, my dumb brain.

• 1:17:24Speaker 05

  But it sounds like po, at least positive vibes coming from.

• 1:17:27Speaker 00

  All positive vibes. All positive vibes. Like tweeted, it's, it's my exam week. Everyone I, uh, everyone, I only have textiles today, but wish me luck. And then there are a ton of people replying like, you got this. We, we, you know, Bears fans have your back. It's cool. It's a fun story.

• 1:17:44Speaker 05

  Is, uh, is Luther Burden okay?

• 1:17:46Speaker 00

  Uh, we still, we still don't know. Cause it's a bye week. So they don't have to release an injury report.

• 1:17:50Speaker 05

  Somebody check in on Luther Burn too. I would just, I would just be worried that maybe, maybe he's getting lost in all this. So maybe, maybe like 10% of the goodwill that you're sending to Yuri Mackenwell send to Luther Burn as well.

• 1:18:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. The initial tweet, the, I'll kill myself, then I'm no longer a burden. Person quote tweeted, said, never venting again. I've got no idea who the Chicago Bears are. I'm Australian. That tweet has 4.2 million views and 700 replies. So everyone's, yeah. Adopted. And then the person is like, yeah, I guess I'm, I'm rooting for the Bears now. So.

• 1:18:24Speaker 05

  I love that.

• 1:18:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. Good.

• 1:18:26Speaker 05

  You need, you need these types of good vibes.

• 1:18:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. These are, these are fun stories. It's just so funny that like, that's a, that's kind of a serious tweet being like, I'll kill myself. I won't be a burden. And then people just, that became like a trending tweet on Sunday night.

• 1:18:39Speaker 05

  I have noticed that most fanbases are just, they're looking for like some sort of, uh, wholesome release.

• 1:18:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:45Speaker 05

  Good energy. Like, like when the, um, the Patriots had that with, uh, and Michael May's, uh, Tik Tok, right? Like I, I like these stories when it's like, um, fanbases come together to maybe sometimes show that it's not like we, deep down inside, we, we crave to be nice about something online. Yeah.

• 1:19:03Speaker 00

  Like the, the, the really cynical, awful internet that we now all exist in. It used to be a lot more fun and I think people all are a little nostalgic for that. And this is one of those random stories. That's like, hey, that was fun. This person is awesome.

• 1:19:18Speaker 05

  It helps if your team is, if, if they have a winning record.

• 1:19:21Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:21Speaker 05

  It makes it like, cause I've been searching Yankoff online, uh, for that very reason. Haven't had any success.

• 1:19:26Speaker 00

  But, but Yuri, uh, I assume you're not listening to this, but the offer does stand. Any game you want. Uh, if you ever are in America or if the Bears go play in Australia, I will buy you tickets and you and your family tickets. It would be very fun. Uh, I'm, I'm down for this story. Shout out all the Bears fans who jumped on and like, tried to boost this person up, especially during exam week. No one likes exam week. Exam week sucks.

• 1:19:50Speaker 05

  This is a fucked up time to have exam week.

• 1:19:52Speaker 00

  It's Australia. They do everything backwards.

• 1:19:54Speaker 05

  That's true. Summertime there.

• 1:19:56Speaker 00

  Do you think they write their, do you think their exams are given backwards? You think an F is an A in Australia?

• 1:20:01Speaker 05

  I, I think an F is, yeah, probably good.

• 1:20:04Speaker 00

  Oh, Max has got his hands out and he's now trying to see what.

• 1:20:07Speaker 05

  It's a V because it's upside down.

• 1:20:09Speaker 04

  F's kind of are like close to A's if you.

• 1:20:12Speaker 05

  No, no. V is close. Like a V, if you flip it upside down.

• 1:20:17Speaker 04

  Well, you just need one more line.

• 1:20:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a pretty crucial line. You could say that about a lot of letters. Like you add a line, take a line or what?

• 1:20:24Speaker 04

  That's not true.

• 1:20:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:26Speaker 05

  D is a B.

• 1:20:27Speaker 00

  H is almost like a T.

• 1:20:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's, that's a good example.

• 1:20:31Speaker 00

  Take away a line. That's a pretty big line. That's, that's going on right there.

• 1:20:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. Q is almost like an O. You take away a line.

• 1:20:38Speaker 00

  B is almost like a C. You take away a couple of lines.

• 1:20:40Speaker 04

  That's, you just said a couple. That's not a line.

• 1:20:42Speaker 05

  Isn't it crazy that we have a letter that's just sort of called W?

• 1:20:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:46Speaker 05

  And it's not even really a U. It's two Vs.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's double V.

• 1:20:49Speaker 00

  They kind of ran out of stuff.

• 1:20:51Speaker 05

  In, in France, I think it's double V, which they got that one right.

• 1:20:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:55Speaker 00

  Why don't we do a new letter? That'd be cool.

• 1:20:57Speaker 04

  Nah, nah, nah, no, no.

• 1:21:00Speaker 05

  There aren't there like, uh, Greek letters that we don't have?

• 1:21:03Speaker 04

  Latin.

• 1:21:04Speaker 05

  Row.

• 1:21:05Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, I mean, other.

• 1:21:07Speaker 04

  Can you like not even speak Latin? You can only read it?

• 1:21:10Speaker 05

  It's a dead language. You can speak it, but nobody does.

• 1:21:12Speaker 00

  Nobody speaks it, but you can speak it.

• 1:21:14Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:21:15Speaker 00

  Were you saying like, if you started to read Latin out loud, you'd die? Is that what the question was?

• 1:21:20Speaker 04

  I saw that like wasn't pronuncible.

• 1:21:22Speaker 00

  But you understand that if you can read it, you can probably say it, right?

• 1:21:28Speaker 05

  That wasn't intentional, was it?

• 1:21:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was. No, it wasn't.

• 1:21:31Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:21:32Speaker 00

  Pronuncible?

• 1:21:36Speaker 05

  Wesley Bryant's gonna hate that.

• 1:21:38Speaker 00

  Dude, hey, no, don't say that name.

• 1:21:39Speaker 05

  You just trolled us.

• 1:21:40Speaker 00

  Dude.

• 1:21:40Speaker 05

  Hey, guess what, guys?

• 1:21:41Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm, listen, I think, shout out to foreplay guys for having our back, but we don't want that

• 1:21:47Speaker 00

  smoke anymore. We have completely walked away from the Wesley Bryant beef. That guy is a troll. I am, he is out trolled us.

• 1:21:54Speaker 05

  He's a god.

• 1:21:55Speaker 00

  Every which way.

• 1:21:56Speaker 05

  He's a god.

• 1:21:56Speaker 00

  Everywhere I turn, I'm just getting trolled.

• 1:21:58Speaker 05

  Whenever I think I got him nailed down, it's like, no, he was actually doing a mind game on me. So. Well, well played.

• 1:22:05Speaker 00

  We gotta, we gotta, maybe we change this podcast to strictly in Latin. So Wes, we can't know our next move.

• 1:22:11Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:22:12Speaker 00

  Our next move is nothing, Wes. We're, we're, we're laying down.

• 1:22:15Speaker 05

  Sword on the ground.

• 1:22:16Speaker 00

  Yep. Tip our hat to you, my sir. Good, good, good game, sir.

• 1:22:21Speaker 05

  White flag.

• 1:22:21Speaker 00

  We lost.

• 1:22:22Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:22:22Speaker 00

  Got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them. All right, uh.

• 1:22:26Speaker 04

  Probably just opens up Twitter every day. He's like fresh fish on the line.

• 1:22:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, I got a big one. Got a big one, boys. Let's reel them in.

• 1:22:33Speaker 00

  About to pit roast these PMT boys again. And guess what? He has time and time again. All right, go ahead, Zach.

• 1:22:40Speaker 03

  My, or my hot seat this week is gonna be, uh, losing your temper, kinda losing your composure. Uh, Bronny James. You guys see Bronny James inactive on the bench?

• 1:22:48Speaker 00

  Uh oh.

• 1:22:48Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:22:49Speaker 00

  What happened?

• 1:22:49Speaker 03

  Uh, Pistons game Sunday. I guess he's getting chirped by a female fan. And then he just instantly, before using the staff hold me back move, which is why I think it's kinda lame. He instantly goes, can you run a mile and how much money do you make?

• 1:23:02Speaker 04

  Can you run a mile is pretty good.

• 1:23:03Speaker 03

  Can you run a mile is good? And then he does.

• 1:23:05Speaker 04

  Once you see what this woman looks like, it's even funnier. I wasn't able to find her.

• 1:23:10Speaker 05

  Oh, no. Was it mean? Oh, yeah. Oh, no, that's, that's a mean, Bronny.

• 1:23:15Speaker 04

  That's funny.

• 1:23:16Speaker 05

  Bronny, it's a mean thing.

• 1:23:17Speaker 04

  That's a very question.

• 1:23:18Speaker 00

  Let me see, play, play.

• 1:23:18Speaker 04

  I feel like if you're gonna talk shit.

• 1:23:21Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:23:21Speaker 04

  Sitting courtside, you have to be able to listen to shit.

• 1:23:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:24Speaker 04

  Facts. Sitting courtside.

• 1:23:25Speaker 05

  It's true, but yeah.

• 1:23:26Speaker 00

  How much money you making is a loser move?

• 1:23:28Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:23:29Speaker 00

  That's a straight up loser move.

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  The mile's funny. The money is like.

• 1:23:33Speaker 00

  Plays, cause you've opened yourself up to it. If you're talking shit, telling someone like, I'm richer than you.

• 1:23:39Speaker 04

  You also don't know, you don't know what she was saying. Maybe she was saying like, you're, you're an end of the bench. You, you make the league minimum.

• 1:23:46Speaker 05

  He did not get off the bench that game. I would like to see, I would like to see the full context of this back and forth.

• 1:23:51Speaker 04

  Right. Cause it's only showing what he, what he said.

• 1:23:54Speaker 05

  She might've also just been trolling him. I'd like to. She might've won this.

• 1:23:57Speaker 00

  You know what? Since we just talked about the, um, like really sweet story of the Bears and the Australian fan, uh, or now fan, I would like to extend a invite to this woman to come run a mile on Tate After Dark.

• 1:24:11Speaker 05

  You prove it.

• 1:24:12Speaker 00

  Prove it. And we'll, you know what? We'll pay you a little money. So now you got your money up.

• 1:24:18Speaker 05

  You think Bronny can run a mile?

• 1:24:21Speaker 05

  He doesn't get a lot of minutes. I don't know.

• 1:24:22Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:24:23Speaker 05

  Cardio might be down.

• 1:24:25Speaker 04

  Heart's definitely an issue.

• 1:24:27Speaker 05

  Whoa, whoa, Zach.

• 1:24:30Speaker 00

  Zach!

• 1:24:31Speaker 05

  Whoa, Zach.

• 1:24:32Speaker 00

  We're trying to get, we're trying to get these guys in here invitation.

• 1:24:35Speaker 05

  Whoa, Zach.

• 1:24:36Speaker 00

  Zach!

• 1:24:37Speaker 05

  Whoa.

• 1:24:38Speaker 04

  My bad.

• 1:24:40Speaker 04

  My fault.

• 1:24:40Speaker 00

  What are you gonna do there, Max? That's your, that's your goat's son.

• 1:24:46Speaker 04

  You didn't mean that.

• 1:24:47Speaker 00

  LeBron is watching this right now, Max, being like, hey, the guy who was sitting in that golf cart.

• 1:24:51Speaker 04

  I didn't mean it. I don't know why, I don't know why you had to, you had to go to that.

• 1:24:54Speaker 03

  That was rude. That was.

• 1:24:56Speaker 04

  That was life, that was life threatening situation.

• 1:24:59Speaker 03

  We shouldn't be talking about guys working.

• 1:25:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:01Speaker 03

  We have no place talking about organs. That's all my hand up.

• 1:25:04Speaker 04

  He was just a kid.

• 1:25:05Speaker 03

  Still a kid, 22.

• 1:25:07Speaker 04

  But that.

• 1:25:08Speaker 03

  He's still learning every day.

• 1:25:09Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:25:10Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:25:10Speaker 03

  Every day.

• 1:25:11Speaker 00

  Max, don't tell people though, how much money you make. That's kinda weird.

• 1:25:15Speaker 04

  I can't find what, what this, what this woman looks like.

• 1:25:17Speaker 00

  We don't need to. We can make a guess. I think we saw, I think we saw some nachos.

• 1:25:23Speaker 03

  2.3 though this year.

• 1:25:24Speaker 04

  Let's call nachos, nachos.

• 1:25:25Speaker 05

  It's not shame for nachos.

• 1:25:26Speaker 00

  No, I'm just saying I saw some nachos.

• 1:25:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. And it made me hungry.

• 1:25:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:32Speaker 05

  I ran a mile yesterday.

• 1:25:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:33Speaker 05

  I gotta say, um, it's not easy.

• 1:25:37Speaker 05

  Like I, I feel a little bit disrespected.

• 1:25:39Speaker 04

  I don't think I can run a mile.

• 1:25:41Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, I think I've run my last mile.

• 1:25:45Speaker 04

  I, I like, I'll walk plenty of miles.

• 1:25:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. Like, I mean, like playing hoops.

• 1:25:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:25:49Speaker 00

  Like, that's fine, but I'm saying actually like tying up my sneakers and being like, here I go, running a mile. I've run my last mile.

• 1:25:56Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 1:25:57Speaker 00

  It's actually really nice to know, like, Max, should we just say right now we've retired?

• 1:26:02Speaker 04

  I've retired, I've retired from running miles.

• 1:26:05Speaker 00

  I've officially retired from running.

• 1:26:06Speaker 03

  What else did you retire?

• 1:26:07Speaker 04

  Yep. Anyone else?

• 1:26:08Speaker 00

  Anyone else in here wanna retire from running a mile?

• 1:26:10Speaker 05

  I retired from running.

• 1:26:11Speaker 04

  Memes runs.

• 1:26:12Speaker 05

  Six months ago.

• 1:26:13Speaker 00

  Memes is a beast, dude. Memes got it all.

• 1:26:16Speaker 05

  I'm also calling bullshit on PFT's mile.

• 1:26:18Speaker 00

  Oh, oh, do you have a pancake situation going on?

• 1:26:20Speaker 05

  I don't think you ran the entire mile. You don't think I ran the entire mile?

• 1:26:23Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:26:24Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:26:25Speaker 00

  That's just it.

• 1:26:26Speaker 03

  You got stats?

• 1:26:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:26:29Speaker 04

  You got a Strava account?

• 1:26:30Speaker 05

  I actually, I did, I did delete my Strava account like a month ago.

• 1:26:33Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:26:34Speaker 00

  How, how, how, how long, or how many minutes did it take you to run the mile?

• 1:26:38Speaker 05

  Uh, well, I ran for 30 minutes yesterday. I did not run for the entire 30 minutes, but I did make it to the mile. I ended up doing 2.25 miles in 30 minutes. So I did walk a fair amount of it.

• 1:26:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a walk.

• 1:26:50Speaker 05

  Uh, but I did run a mile. I'm trying to show my health app right now.

• 1:26:54Speaker 03

  So you ran a mile and you ran, you ran a mile consecutively. That's fine.

• 1:26:58Speaker 00

  4.3 on the treadmill?

• 1:27:01Speaker 05

  No, I did run a mile.

• 1:27:03Speaker 03

  Not consecutively.

• 1:27:04Speaker 05

  I did run a consecutive mile and then I walked.

• 1:27:06Speaker 03

  It sounded like you were like ran for like a hundred feet, walked for a little bit.

• 1:27:09Speaker 04

  Oh, we were doing a four, a 13 and a half minute pace?

• 1:27:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, 4, 4.4 on the treadmill.

• 1:27:14Speaker 05

  I'm saying I ran and then I stopped running and I walked for a while and then I jogged again and then I walked again.

• 1:27:21Speaker 04

  Memes might be on to something.

• 1:27:23Speaker 00

  Memes might've just.

• 1:27:24Speaker 05

  You want me?

• 1:27:25Speaker 00

  Paul Tori over there in the booth.

• 1:27:27Speaker 05

  Memes, you want me to run a mile now?

• 1:27:29Speaker 00

  No, I don't, I just don't think you ran a mile.

• 1:27:31Speaker 05

  Why not?

• 1:27:33Speaker 00

  I think we got, I think we got a stream on our hands. Hank making pancakes while PFT runs a mile around him.

• 1:27:38Speaker 05

  Oh, and Max, just to be clear, yes, clearly that pace is not, I wasn't jogging for like a 4.2 mile per hour mile for 30 minutes. I ran and then I walked.

• 1:27:48Speaker 03

  How fast was the mile?

• 1:27:49Speaker 05

  And then I ran probably about 10 minutes. It was not fast.

• 1:27:53Speaker 00

  I believe that you ran the mile.

• 1:27:54Speaker 05

  Thank you. I'm trying to show.

• 1:27:55Speaker 03

  I don't.

• 1:27:57Speaker 00

  It's also a sick hat.

• 1:27:58Speaker 05

  Okay, here's, right there, that is my steps from yesterday.

• 1:28:01Speaker 00

  Wait, let me see.

• 1:28:02Speaker 05

  Right there.

• 1:28:03Speaker 00

  Give me your computer.

• 1:28:03Speaker 05

  The big bar, that's from running.

• 1:28:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:28:06Speaker 05

  And then the small.

• 1:28:07Speaker 00

  I do see the spike in the bar.

• 1:28:08Speaker 05

  And then the small bar is from when I walked most of the time.

• 1:28:11Speaker 00

  3,118 steps.

• 1:28:14Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:28:15Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:28:15Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:28:16Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:28:17Speaker 04

  Fitness master.

• 1:28:19Speaker 05

  Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like it's hard to run a mile.

• 1:28:21Speaker 00

  I'll tell you what.

• 1:28:21Speaker 05

  I'm out of shape.

• 1:28:22Speaker 00

  I'll say right now, I like walking miles. I've been walking a lot. It's been awesome. Walking is.

• 1:28:28Speaker 04

  Walking's fantastic, dude.

• 1:28:30Speaker 00

  I walk every day now. It's crazy. Someone should've told me about.

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  3,000 steps yesterday?

• 1:28:36Speaker 00

  Uh, in the peak.

• 1:28:37Speaker 05

  Uh, that was the one bar was 3,000 steps and then overall.

• 1:28:40Speaker 03

  A mile is, is 5,200 feet.

• 1:28:43Speaker 00

  Uh oh.

• 1:28:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:45Speaker 03

  3,000 is less than that.

• 1:28:47Speaker 05

  Do you know what a foot is? Like when you're taking a stride.

• 1:28:50Speaker 00

  He's taking a full stride.

• 1:28:51Speaker 05

  It's not, it's not a foot.

• 1:28:54Speaker 04

  It's probably like four feet. Now I'm back in on PFT.

• 1:28:57Speaker 05

  I mean, you can see the stats and it's not impressive. Don't get me wrong. Like my, my mile time is probably, my guess would be around.

• 1:29:04Speaker 00

  I just Googled it. They're about 2,000 to 2,500 steps in a walking mile.

• 1:29:08Speaker 03

  Walk. So running would be, yeah, okay.

• 1:29:12Speaker 05

  I think all the stats are making me sound more and more correct.

• 1:29:15Speaker 00

  Cause I'm happy that I was team PFT ran a mile to start.

• 1:29:18Speaker 05

  I'm glad that I've got one of these things.

• 1:29:20Speaker 00

  Coming out and looks like we're on the right side of history.

• 1:29:21Speaker 05

  I'm glad I've got something in my pocket that tracks every single thing that I do so I can prove myself.

• 1:29:26Speaker 00

  This is nowhere near what Hank tried to do on Sunday night, telling us he makes pancakes.

• 1:29:31Speaker 05

  And did you make any pancakes?

• 1:29:34Speaker 00

  No, he never does.

• 1:29:35Speaker 05

  Monday or Tuesday?

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:29:36Speaker 00

  He never has.

• 1:29:38Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:29:38Speaker 00

  Did you have any pancake people defending you?

• 1:29:43Speaker 03

  I didn't really look. I'm sure there's people that were like, yeah. You definitely make pancakes.

• 1:29:50Speaker 00

  Okay. Zach, do you have a cool throne?

• 1:29:52Speaker 03

  I do. Uh, cool throne this week is just, uh, Cooper flag.

• 1:29:55Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:29:56Speaker 03

  Cooper flag initiated pretty much most alpha move I've seen in basketball this season.

• 1:29:59Speaker 00

  Which was?

• 1:29:59Speaker 03

  He just housing PB and J's on the sideline.

• 1:30:01Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:30:02Speaker 03

  Which I have nothing but respect for.

• 1:30:03Speaker 00

  I actually, well, yeah, it is kinda weird that guys don't eat more on the sideline.

• 1:30:08Speaker 03

  You see occasional hot dog, some popcorn, but full PB and J homemade out the plastic.

• 1:30:13Speaker 00

  Oh, it's homemade?

• 1:30:14Speaker 03

  I, that was a liberty. It is coming out of the sandwich bag. That sandwich looks crusted.

• 1:30:21Speaker 00

  He also had a great game.

• 1:30:22Speaker 03

  He dropped 43.

• 1:30:24Speaker 00

  My son makes me take the crust off the Uncrustables.

• 1:30:29Speaker 00

  Makes no fucking sense.

• 1:30:30Speaker 04

  Like double.

• 1:30:30Speaker 03

  Whitney does that.

• 1:30:31Speaker 04

  Mikey Betts does.

• 1:30:32Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, Whitney does that too.

• 1:30:33Speaker 05

  I also do that. It's crust. You can't have crust on Uncrustable.

• 1:30:37Speaker 00

  Like the cramped edges?

• 1:30:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's crust.

• 1:30:39Speaker 00

  That's crust?

• 1:30:39Speaker 05

  That's crust.

• 1:30:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, I guess it's crust. I thought crust is brown though.

• 1:30:42Speaker 04

  That's Uncrust.

• 1:30:44Speaker 05

  It's crust.

• 1:30:45Speaker 00

  But it's just a crazy thing where every time I pull out an Uncrustable, he's like, take the crust off. Yes, sir. Yes, chef.

• 1:30:54Speaker 00

  All right, let's get to some college football. Do you have something, Max? You look like you.

• 1:30:57Speaker 04

  No, I'm just thinking about the, the Uncrustable situation. Um, now I, I would just think I have nothing to say.

• 1:31:04Speaker 00

  Oh, do you, can I do one more hot seat real quick? Uh, alligators. Did you guys see the alligator sneeze?

• 1:31:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:10Speaker 00

  Completely lost all of its ferociousness. I don't, I am not scared of alligators anymore.

• 1:31:18Speaker 05

  Adorable.

• 1:31:18Speaker 00

  I do alligator sneeze, Max.

• 1:31:21Speaker 05

  Makes you just wanna go up and like.

• 1:31:22Speaker 04

  I thought you said knees.

• 1:31:23Speaker 05

  No, you wanna go up and boop it. So cute.

• 1:31:27Speaker 00

  Sneeze. Play it.

• 1:31:34Speaker 00

  I ain't scared of alligators anymore.

• 1:31:36Speaker 05

  Is that

• 1:31:37Speaker 00

  That's a cute ass sneeze. All right, let's get to Tom Fornelli, talk some college football.

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• 1:33:30Speaker 00

  Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. He is our college football expert. For some reason, he's on Zoom, though, couldn't come into studio. Brandon Walker would have come into studio. It's Tom Fornelli. Tom, I mean, Brandon would have been here.

• 1:33:45Speaker 03

  Brandon works there. Brandon is literally probably right down the hall right now. I am not down the hall. I have a lot of things going today.

• 1:33:51Speaker 05

  Probably waiting outside the door like with a soup can listening in on this conversation, but like honestly, it kind of makes that's better for you. Like you're, you're kind of keeping us that we want more of you. Whereas Brandon, we can get him any old time.

• 1:34:03Speaker 03

  I've, I've been very busy today. I didn't really have time to make breakfast. So if it's okay with you guys, I'm going to have some pancakes right now.

• 1:34:12Speaker 00

  Hank's not here, obviously.

• 1:34:13Speaker 05

  Are those homemade?

• 1:34:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, I just made these myself.

• 1:34:17Speaker 00

  Was that, were they hard to make?

• 1:34:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, that is impressive.

• 1:34:22Speaker 00

  This is the best thing in the world.

• 1:34:23Speaker 05

  You strike me as a guy like a bit of a chef, Tom. A little, little gourmand.

• 1:34:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:34:28Speaker 03

  I am an Italian boy, so you know.

• 1:34:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, pancakes. All right, Tom, let's talk some ball. Okay. Those look like really good pancakes. They're fucking great. All right, so Saturday was going to be the best Saturday in college football. It was mostly a dud just because of the games and how they played out, besides Miami, Notre Dame, and maybe Holy War. And we are left now trying to pick up the pieces and I got a question for you that has nothing to do with the games being played. Because I think the most fascinating story right now in college football is not one of the playoff teams. What the hell is going on with Kyle Whittingham? And does he actually want to keep coaching? Because this is fascinating to me. The guy is an unbelievable coach.

• 1:35:14Speaker 00

  And I don't think he wants to coach anymore. And Michigan is one of the worst teams in the country.

• 1:35:19Speaker 03

  I don't know if Kyle understands he's coaching at Michigan right now.

• 1:35:22Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:35:23Speaker 03

  It's, it's like every time that he is in a press conference and speaking, it becomes a little kind of more confusing. And like, you know, after the loss to Michigan State, looking at the remaining schedule, he's asking if any more of the games that they have to play are trophy games. Like, are any of these our rivals? And it's just, it is kind of a reminder of just the weird way that that all went down. I think we kind of glossed over everything because the way that the Sharon Moore era ended and your thoughts were, you know, Michigan was winning nine games a year with like a complete mess going on in that office. And it's like, all right, so now they've brought in adults in the room, but like Kyle Whittingham was great at Utah, but there was probably a reason Utah was eager to move on

• 1:36:04Speaker 03

  from Kyle Whittingham and put Morgan Scally in place who had been the head coach and waiting there. And we've seen this year, Utah hasn't missed a beat. Utah's having its best season in a very long time. And this, the whole operation at Michigan with Whittingham with that staff has been a complete disaster to the point where, you know, they obviously they fired Jason Beck on Monday or Sunday, the day after losing, even though Kyle said in his press conference after the game, after the loss to Michigan State, he didn't want to fire Jason Beck. He wasn't going to fire Jason Beck. And then went less than 12 hours later, they're paying $10 million for Jason Beck to go away. So clearly there's pressure there. And I do, I have very big doubts that Kyle Whittingham will be the coach again at Michigan next season.

• 1:36:44Speaker 03

  I think we are going to finish out this year and we are going to just completely just start over, go find a head coach that is, you know, aware of where he's coaching and wants the job and not somebody that maybe was kind of pushed out for a reason.

• 1:36:56Speaker 05

  It's not just the fact that he's asking these questions. It's the fact that, um, well, I guess it is the fact that he doesn't know better than to ask the questions, right? Like, it's not that he doesn't know the answer to them. That's, that's okay. I'm sure like a first time coach of the Big 10 would not know every single trophy game necessarily that your school plays for. But the fact that he's so tone deaf that he's out loud asking these types of questions, not understanding the blowback that those are going to get. That is a little bit concerning just for the overall culture of Michigan.

• 1:37:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just, it's weird. And I, I think back to when, when I interviewed Kyle Whittingham at Big 10 Media Days, like we, we interviewed all the coaches for the show. We were running them through the car wash and it was just Kyle Whittingham, like the kind of the entire air around him was just kind of like, hey, what's going on? What's this? What's that? He wasn't really all that familiar with anything. And you can get it because he'd been at Utah for so long that really the only thing he's ever known as a coach is Utah. And even though they had moved conferences in that time, it's like this was his very first experience being somewhere that wasn't that. And it was like, he wasn't totally familiar with everything.

• 1:38:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:38:01Speaker 03

  And, and I even think too, like we were doing a thing with a bit. We were having all the coaches we interviewed is like, all right, you're going to have a question, you know, ask a question for the next coach we're interviewing. And the coach we interviewed before Witt was Ryan Day. And we asked Ryan Day, hey, what's your question for Whittingham? And the way he worded, worded, he was just like, so, uh, how's life different now in the Big 10? And his answer to that question, I can't remember what it was word for word, but it was just kind of a very strange, like, yeah, I guess we'll see. And it's just everything that has played out since then has been very much, yeah, I guess we'll see.

• 1:38:31Speaker 00

  I, I, I saw someone pose a theory out there and I actually just believe it now that Kyle Whittingham had no intention of coaching after he was leaving Utah. I know he kind of wanted to stay on at Utah, but his agent was like, hey, listen, Michigan wants to hire you. Why don't you do it? And if you don't like it in a year, you'll just get a huge payout, a buyout. And that's kind of what's happening where he's like, he, he showed up. I don't think he's really feeling it. He's kind of putting in hat, like I saw another person posted like, you know, there's screenshots of like every time the team huddles during timeout stuff. He's just so far away from the huddle, giving off a little Brady Hoke energy without the headset on. It's like, yeah, I'm just, I'll just get the buyout and I'll just, they'll find a new coach.

• 1:39:16Speaker 03

  My favorite conspiracy theory is that, you know, Urban Meyer, very good friends with Kyle Whittingham. Urban Meyer preceded him at Utah. Urban Meyer recommended Kyle Whittingham for the Michigan job. Urban Meyer tanking the Michigan program from the outside with Kyle Whittingham is like, you know, I don't know, like an Nvidia situation going on there.

• 1:39:32Speaker 00

  Okay. So, so sticking with that, and I, we will talk about teams that actually matter here in a second, but is Ryan Day's seat hot? And do you expect Ohio State to win out? I think they have Northwestern, Nebraska and Michigan. I still am watching Ohio State. I know Julian Sane got hurt. I am shocked by the fact that they cannot get pressure on a quarterback. They're Ohio State. And it's like Jordan Myava and Dylan Raiola were just playing seven on seven against them.

• 1:40:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's been the case with them all year. It has been a problem. It's been something that like I've been harping on all year long with them, but I, I think Ryan Day is always on the hot seat. I mean, it's, it's the Ohio State job and the standard there is pretty high. And you just have to look at how they're reacting to the fact that they've lost three games in a single season to know that this is not a fan base that is used to this kind of failure and is not very accepting of this kind of failure. So I definitely think he's on the hot seat. I don't think he'll be fired. I, I think that national title is still kind of, you know, fresh and, and in the minds of the people running that program. And I don't know who, if you were to fire Ryan Day, you can go out and realistically hire that would make sense as far as being a clear upgrade over what you have.

• 1:40:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:44Speaker 03

  I, I think that maybe Ohio State fans just need to come to grips with everything, you know, in this era now with the portal where you're kind of overhauling your roster every single year. You're going to miss once in a while. And I feel like Ohio State, a lot of the decisions they made, they have missed on. And I think the coordinator decision, that offensive coordinator maybe hasn't been great. And some of the guys they brought in to replace everything that they lost on defense haven't worked out kind of how you would hope. But they've also played a very difficult schedule because when you look at it, you know, Losing to Oregon, even this kind of zombie Oregon version is not a terrible loss. Losing to Texas is not a terrible loss. So you have to kind of put it in that context.

• 1:41:23Speaker 00

  USC at home is like USC at home is a totally different team.

• 1:41:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, like I understand that USC has not been known for winning those games lately, but they still have a really talented team. And you were also starting a true freshman on the road in his first career college start. Like you have to look at the context of the situation, even if you hate the results.

• 1:41:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:42Speaker 03

  So I, I, I get the fans are probably mad. I don't think he's in any real danger. As for their ability to win out, I want to say, yeah, of course they can win out through Ohio State. Like it's Northwestern Nebraska and a terrible Michigan team that just lost to Michigan State.

• 1:41:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:41:58Speaker 03

  But I, I can't say it with confidence because I don't think like, I was harping on it all year early in the season. They were too reliant on Jeremiah Smith. And I thought that that was just kind of a Julian saying, maybe security blanket situation. But now that I've seen what they look like without Julian, I just wonder if they don't have any other really good options. Like, cause you look at the rushing attack, the running backs they have are good, but they are not typically what you would expect from Ohio State, or at least what you have seen from Ohio State. They don't have the big play threats. They don't have the really explosive big play. We can hand the ball to this guy 25 times. He's going to go get his 100 yards and two touchdowns. They don't have the second receiver that we're used to using, seeing them have three or four guys that you can really rely on. Like somebody hasn't stepped up to become that number two.

• 1:42:41Speaker 03

  So teams are just completely dead set at this point on, we're just going to take away Jeremiah, and we don't think the rest of you guys are good enough to consistently beat us. And that has been the case.

• 1:42:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. So if we're to do gun to your head, who is the big 10 team that is the last one standing?

• 1:42:55Speaker 03

  In the playoff or is like conference champ?

• 1:42:57Speaker 00

  Well, I guess we can do both. So what, what do you see playing out? How do you see the conference championship? But then I guess ultimately which, uh, which team is going to be carrying the banner for the big 10, the deepest into the playoff?

• 1:43:09Speaker 03

  I, I have, I think Indiana will win the conference championship in the regular season. I, they, they've got issues of their own, clearly.

• 1:43:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:17Speaker 03

  But I do think that there is some truth to, they didn't have their buy until last week, and they were a team that had been banged up all year. Josh Hoover has clearly been banged up for a while now. Perhaps getting that week off and getting that time to get healthy leads to a much better version of the Hoosiers than we saw for the last month. This Saturday against USC will probably tell us a whole lot. Like if Indiana wins that game this week, I see no way they miss out on getting to Indianapolis and having a really good shot of winning the conference. But as far as who makes the deepest run in the playoff, I don't know. I, I don't know if the big 10 is going to have anybody get passed like that. Maybe their champ, whoever gets the buy, I don't know that anybody gets past the buy.

• 1:43:56Speaker 00

  I still, I still think Indiana, then they've looked ugly, but their defense is so good. If they can get like B minus quarterbacking and they have great receivers. And it's like, I think Indiana has the chance of being a team that's like in the semifinal or even final. And we're still like, are they really good? Cause they keep winning games 17 to 13. You're like, I think they're good, but I just, I keep going back to the defense and Kurt Signetti. And it's like, when you get into playoff format, I'm going to trust those two things. I think they can still make a deep run.

• 1:44:29Speaker 03

  You know who I, and this is weird because there's no guarantee they're even in the field, but I think the team that is best equipped to make a run in the big 10 is Oregon.

• 1:44:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:38Speaker 03

  And, and you look at the rest of their schedule, like I wrote them off for dead after they lost to Illinois a couple of weeks ago. But they fire their offensive coordinator the very next day. And all of a sudden now Oregon's offense is like, hey, you know what? We have some pretty talented players. What if instead of coming up with stupid trick plays, we just figure out ways to get the balls to our best players and it's working. All of a sudden, like they go on the road to Ohio State, they put up a bunch of points. And you look at the rest of their schedule, they've got Michigan at home. That should be a win. They're on the road for Michigan State. That should be a win. And then they get Washington at home to finish the year, which rivalry game, but I would still expect the Oregon we have seen the last couple of weeks to win that game. So I don't think it's all that preposterous to think the ducks can win out.

• 1:45:18Speaker 03

  And if the ducks are nine and three, if you look at the carnage that has been happening everywhere else around the country this year, it's not crazy to think that Oregon at nine and three will have one of the better resumes of nine and three teams. They will have a win over USC. They will have a win over Ohio State. If Northwestern finishes strong and finishes ranked, they have a win over Northwestern. Boise State will probably be the G6 rep and Oregon has a win over them. And you don't know, like that Oklahoma state loss early in the year looked horrible because nobody expected it. Oklahoma state might be playing for a big 12 championship. They can, they could win out and put themselves in that position too. So I don't think it's no longer nuts to think that Oregon can get to the playoff. And if they do, like they are very talented. There was a reason they were one of the national title favorites before the season began.

• 1:46:03Speaker 03

  Dylan Raola is still playing well. That's a team I think is probably better equipped to make a deep run in the playoffs than any other big 10 team right now.

• 1:46:10Speaker 00

  And, and you're right, because also if you look at the big 10, it's like, they just need someone, they need, they need Iowa and USC to catch another loss. And they would be, cause I don't, I don't think there's a world where there wouldn't be three big 10 teams in the playoff. I don't think four is gone, three, yeah, four's gone, but three still feels like they'll find a way to have three in. And if Iowa loses, which Iowa could very well be in the playoff, because if they went out, they're going to have two losses. They'll be the third place team in the big 10. But if Iowa loses and USC lose to Indiana this weekend, Oregon would be the third team in the big 10. And they'd have a win over the four, you know, the, the teams are tied with in Ohio state. Man, it's a mess. It's a mess. All right. Let's, let's talk about the SEC because that's also a mess.

• 1:46:54Speaker 00

  Georgia's the best team in the country. I've thought that since before the season. Do you agree with that?

• 1:46:59Speaker 03

  Agreed. Very much so.

• 1:47:00Speaker 00

  All right. So Georgia's the best team in the country. I like Ole Miss is now dead. Alabama is so alive. Texas has everything in front of them. What, what, what's the other team in the, I mean, Tennessee, I think has been Tennessee's defense. They're such a hard team to play. So if it's four teams, is it that four? Or is there another team you're looking at and it could be possibly five teams?

• 1:47:26Speaker 03

  I mean, I, I think the five team for them is probably gone at this point too much like the big 10 is at four. But I, you do wonder like with BYU taking a second loss last weekend. And now Texas tech has a pretty big game against Oklahoma state this week. If Texas tech loses that game, we're suddenly maybe looking at a big 12 where it's probably just Utah or the big 12 champion getting in. So that could open that fifth spot back up for SCC. I think both the SCC and the big 10 should probably root for Oklahoma state and SMU this week. Cause Lake Forest and, and Texas tech losing would be big for them. It'd also be great for them if Notre Dame somehow figured out another way to lose. But just looking at those teams that you mentioned, yeah, Georgia, I think is in, I think, I looked at their odds this morning to, uh, to get to the playoff.

• 1:48:10Speaker 03

  They were minus 9,000. So if you want to win a hundred dollars, I know a great way. Uh, Alabama is looking fantastic. Like they are playing like the second best team in the country right now, even though they're, they're not going to be ranked there, nor should they be. They just, they just look like it at the moment. Kentucky.

• 1:48:27Speaker 03

  I, I like they lost, that loss on the road wasn't as bad as the final scores suggested. But I, all the flaws with that team were laid bare in that game. And it wouldn't shock me at all if they lose another game down the stretch here and they get left out in the cold.

• 1:48:42Speaker 00

  I think they have to play at Mizzou. Yeah. So, yeah.

• 1:48:45Speaker 03

  So if I have to pick four SCC teams to make it right now, I'd be going Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee. And Texas has a huge game this weekend, obviously at LSU. It is, it is not a must win for Texas, but it's a, if you win, you're probably in. It's a definitely a must win for LSU because there's no way they're getting in with four losses. So if, if the Longhorns come out of there with a win, I think you can write them in ink. And then Tennessee is, as you mentioned, that defense is really good. But the question with them is that offense. And it's like, people are looking at the spread this weekend. They're on the road against Texas A&M and they're only two and a half point favorites. And people are like, how the hell is Tennessee only a two and a half point favorite against Texas A&M? They suck because they don't score points. And it's hard to win games consistently when you're not scoring points. So they need to figure that out if they want to be a threat in the playoff.

• 1:49:30Speaker 03

  But I still think that defense alone can probably get them to the playoff.

• 1:49:33Speaker 00

  Also Texas A&M is one of those teams that was like, I mean, they're bad and they were deader than dead. But they've kind of come back to life a little bit where they're not as bad as they were at the beginning of the season. Like they were in the game against South Carolina. They were in the game a little bit against Alabama. Like there's, they're not, well, actually they were leading the game. Yeah. They're not as bad as they were at the beginning of the season when they like got trounced by LSU.

• 1:49:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's an argument to be made. They were the better team in that South Carolina game over the weekend. Just Lenora Sellers with Superman on them.

• 1:50:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. You can do.

• 1:50:04Speaker 05

  Also that, that, uh, that would be an intriguing matchup in the playoff if it was UCLA and Tennessee. Given, I guess Nico would be watching on the sidelines, which he's used to against Tennessee. But I'm sure that would add like a little extra something for, for Hypal to, to go in there and like just really rub his face in it, right?

• 1:50:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think, I think both would love the chance to, you know, get to win in that game. Although it's, I mean, UCLA, I, that is one of the greater stories to me of the season. It's because I thought like when Nico went down, I thought they were done. And, and they just keep on winning. And my concern, like the first few weeks, when you looked at their run game, because they are, they are very much, they're, they're not all that different than Tennessee. Honestly, offensively, they are very reliant on their run game and they have a very good defense. The difference is they've been able to hit big plays in the passing game where Tennessee just hasn't been able to do it consistently. But when Nico went down, their run game was suffering because what made their run game great was that defenses had to account for Nico's legs in the run game, which makes it much more difficult to defend. Deefenbach, the guy who has replaced Nico is not the same rushing threat.

• 1:51:05Speaker 03

  So you saw an adjustment there where defenses were doing a much better job of stopping their rushing offense. But we have now seen UCLA kind of counter that. They have figured out how to still be effective on the ground, even without the threat of Deefenbach's legs. And Wayne Knight is having, is having a great season for the Bruins and that entire offense. They're kind of back to that mode where we saw last week against Minnesota in one of the funniest freaking games I've ever seen. They ran all over the Gophers and then like Deefenbach completed only eight passes for like a billion yards.

• 1:51:34Speaker 00

  Five yard touchdowns in the fourth quarter.

• 1:51:35Speaker 03

  Just bomb after bomb after bomb. They were like, we're not looking for no five yard slant. We're just chucking it deep and hitting it every time.

• 1:51:42Speaker 05

  Yeah. Where do you stand on Texas now? Because you mentioned that game against LSU. Are you, are you still frustrated with Texas? Are you always going to be frustrated with Texas? Cause they should be better, but they're still, but they're still pretty good.

• 1:51:54Speaker 03

  That it's, they are, they are, they're an angry, they're, they're, they're a frustrating team because they are good. And you watch them and you look at the, some of their parts on that roster and it's like, there's a reason this team was so highly thought of going into the, in the regular season. But they just so rarely look great for four quarters that it drives you insane. And Arch Manning, like, there's definitely something to the fact that Arch Manning was so overhyped that since he's not the greatest quarterback in the world, people are a little too negative about him. Like you look around the country and you take away the name Manning and he's still better than most of the quarterbacks at most of the schools that are currently competing in the top 25 and for these playoff spots. He's just not perfect. He's not his uncles. Okay.

• 1:52:38Speaker 03

  But overall, like it's at some point, you just have to look at this team and say, well, well, fuck, man. They've beaten Ohio State. They beat Ole Miss. They just took down Missouri on the road. Their only two losses are by three points to Oklahoma, which that's a rivalry game, and that's also an elite defense. And you go back to it, like Texas beat itself more than Oklahoma won that game. Like that, that was kind of like the beginning of being so frustrated with this team because they shouldn't have lost that game. They shot themselves in the foot with special teams mistakes and all kinds, and it turnovers and it killed them. They lost to Florida by three points, but we've seen Florida is a very up and down kind of hard team to predict what they're going to look like week in and week out.

• 1:53:16Speaker 00

  Yeah. Lost to Oklahoma, got killed by Oklahoma.

• 1:53:19Speaker 03

  But, but the great point is like, they don't look great in these games, but they still find out, they still figure out ways to win. Like they did not look great against Ohio State, but they figured out a way to win. They didn't look great against Ole Miss, but they figured out a way to win. They were able to pull away against Missouri. So like, when you're looking at them compared to all these other teams, they're far more battle tested than most teams are that will be in the playoffs. So when they get into those tough spots, you have to actually have some faith that they know how to get out of them. When I look at the game they're playing this week against LSU, LSU hasn't shown the ability to do it. LSU has put itself in tough spots and then it's just stayed there and lost these games. Like you, you go back over their resume so far this year and they don't really have a very good win.

• 1:54:01Speaker 03

  All the good teams they've played have beaten them. So I look at that game this weekend and it's like, it's, it's in Baton Rouge. It's going to be at night. It's a very, very tough place to win. But Texas has shown they can go in those tough places and win those tough games. LSU hasn't.

• 1:54:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Let's talk about the, the biggest game from Saturday because it was a great game. Notre Dame Miami. I was there. I walked away with, uh, well, let me ask you this way, because I, I don't see a car. That was his best game. Like he was incredible. He played awesome. Miami's defense has some issues, especially the secondary. They did a good job against the run. The big question I had, because Malachi Tony's not playing in that game and Miami was dead. And then they wake up. Is it Notre Dame has some issues or is it simply Leonard Moore got injured for a couple of drives? And that's part of the reason why they woke up because that's where like I, coming away from that game, I wanted to believe more Notre Dame, but I was like, damn,

• 1:54:57Speaker 00

  they kind of let Miami off the mat without Malachi Tony. That feels like that's going to be a problem. Their, their defense coming through in these big games.

• 1:55:06Speaker 03

  I think it's a combination of all of it. I mean, the Leonard Moore injury certainly didn't help, but they were also, they had other injuries they were dealing with. They were down two defensive tackles, Drake Bowen, their leading tackler and linebacker. He was not playing in that game. So they weren't at their best defensively. And I think the other side of it is like, I kind of talked earlier about how dependent Ohio State had been on Jeremiah Smith all year. Well, it's a very similar situation in Miami. Like Darian Mensa is putting up incredible numbers, but Malachi Tony has been the best player on that offense. Malachi Tony has been the guy that they kind of run everything through. So you're all of a sudden, you're on the road, playing against a really good team, probably the best team that you've seen all year by far. No disrespect to Wake Forest, who I'm very high on, but you're not Notre Dame.

• 1:55:46Speaker 03

  But you're on the road and now you're missing your best player. And I think it probably took them, Shannon Dawson, Darian Mensa, everybody involved. I think it probably took them a little while to figure out how the hell they were going to do it. And then once they started to get more confidence and some ideas of what was working and what wasn't, they were able to, in the second half, storm their way back in because they are still a very talented team. They, Cooper Barkley is very good. They have a good offensive line. Darian Mensa is a very good quarterback. Mark Fletcher wasn't really able to run the ball very effectively, but nobody's been running the ball effectively on Notre Dame all year. So that's just to me, I think that was just, we needed a half hour to figure out how the hell we were going to do this. And once we figured it out, we were able to move the ball. And I think possibly with Notre Dame, just the injuries, when you don't have those starters as the game gets on

• 1:56:27Speaker 03

  and guys are in new spots and they're in, you know, like you've got a new middle linebacker with the green dot doing all these plays. Maybe you get up by three scores in the first half. And if you're not experienced, you kind of think, ah, we've won. And you kind of relax a little bit and they had a little wake up call late there.

• 1:56:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I, I also was impressed. Notre Dame had like, uh, I think it was like 12 guys catch a ball, like every, like they had, I mean, Jaylen Greathouse is like, he got one target. I think it's, he's a pretty good receiver. Like they're, they have a ton of answers in terms of CJ Carr throwing it. I didn't think they ran the ball very well. Miami was, was good defensively up front and I, I'm high on CJ Carr. I just don't know. I don't know. I mean, I, I keep looking at it because it is such a weird year and I do think the answer is just Georgia and everyone else. But how close is Notre Dame to Georgia? I don't know the answer to that.

• 1:57:13Speaker 03

  It's tough to say. I mean, that's the thing. Like you see Georgia and in the context of other SCC schedules, they've had an easier schedule this year compared to a lot of SCC teams. But they're just so, even when they're playing against other really good teams, like you see what they did to Ole Miss on Saturday night. Ole Miss is a top 10 team and Georgia just completely punked them. Like they took, they punched them in the face from the very first snap and then just didn't stop for the entire game. And we just don't see Notre Dame in those spots. Like we saw Notre Dame on the road against BYU and they faltered. And then they came home and they played Miami and they looked good, but they haven't looked dominant in either one of those games. While they have looked dominant against teams that just aren't that good. So it's hard to know for sure because we haven't seen Notre Dame play that kind of opponent week in and week out.

• 1:57:57Speaker 03

  Which is why, again, going back to the Texas thing, I, I think Georgia's more battle tested than Notre Dame, which is why I would consider them to be a favorite. Even if maybe you can argue that Notre Dame has overall more quote unquote draft talent on offense.

• 1:58:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:10Speaker 03

  I think Georgia's just got more experience with what they have to do.

• 1:58:12Speaker 00

  I, I bet Georgia and I was happy. I was a bit Georgia. I wish I bet more because I wish I had seen the clip, uh, they put out after of Kirby Smart screaming at his team being like, remember what they took from you last year? And they like, it was, it got me so fucking hyped up. Guy just running, Georgia players running up to each other being like, remember what they took from us. Remember what they, they're like, we're going to go out there and we're going to be as violent as possible. It's like, fuck, that's Georgia.

• 1:58:37Speaker 05

  Kirby has a guy that is, uh, allowed to leak those types of speeches.

• 1:58:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:42Speaker 05

  He for sure. Like the first time I heard it, when it was just like, there was no video whatsoever that went along with it. It was just audio. I thought maybe that one might've been a legit leak and then Kirby heard he was like, I sound pretty cool there. Let's do that again.

• 1:58:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:54Speaker 05

  Like everyone kind of liked that. So let's, let's see if we can't run that one back.

• 1:58:57Speaker 00

  And Gunner Stockton's good.

• 1:58:58Speaker 03

  Gunner Stockton's very good.

• 1:59:00Speaker 00

  Like he's good.

• 1:59:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. I, I was arguing the other day. I think Gunner Stockton right now is the best Heisman bet going. Like if you look at the odds he has to win it, like CJ Carr became the favorite because they beat Miami the other day. And, but nobody really seems all that excited about betting on like CJ Carr as the Heisman, because they haven't played in a ton of big games and they don't have any big games from here on out.

• 1:59:20Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:59:20Speaker 03

  Gunner has been in big games. He's played great in big games and he has a few more big games coming up. Like he's got another, you know, you look at the games he has left on the regular season schedule, a couple of ranked matchups. He's going to be in the SCC championship. Like if Gunner keeps playing the way he played against Ole Miss for the rest of the season, I'm telling you right now, he might not win the award, but you're definitely going to get a great cash out opportunity.

• 1:59:42Speaker 05

  Tell me more about what you think about Wake Forest, because I was making the point that they should feel disrespected by the first playoff ranking. That they, that they were left a little bit too deep when there were some teams that were ahead of them that I think, based on what we've seen on the field, not like theoretically, what we've seen on the field, Wake Forest should definitely be more in the conversation that they are.

• 2:00:02Speaker 03

  Thousand percent. Before last week's results, I did like a blind resume on, on cover three with them. And two other teams that were exactly the same, like from their strength of record, the, it's the record of their opponents, every freaking thing you looked at, they were almost damn near identical with BYU and Texas Tech. Yet BYU and Texas Tech were both ranked much higher than Wake Forest in those rankings. And I think the problem for Wake Forest is one of that, it's like the age old problem. It's just nobody expected them to be good. So when they are good, you just have a much more difficult time earning that respect from everybody. But when you look like, you look at all the metrics, they're just as good as all these other teams in the top 10. You look at their strength of schedule and you want to say, well, they haven't played anybody, but their strength of schedule is very similar to plenty of the teams that are ranked above them

• 2:00:47Speaker 03

  in the current college football playoff rankings. And I don't think we give nearly enough credence to how badly you beat a team down.

• 2:00:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:00:55Speaker 03

  Cause you can argue that their schedule is weak, but they have treated it that way. They have absolutely dog walked a bunch of teams on that schedule. They're winning by 40 plus seemingly every week right now. And I've always been a, don't tell me who you've played, tell me how you have played. And right now there are very few teams playing better football than Wake Forest. Now, that doesn't mean I think that they are, you know, going to beat Miami in the ACC championship, nor does it mean I think that they would make a deep run in the college football playoff. But I do think they'd give Miami hell. Well, they gave Miami one of their tougher tests of the series so far, or the season so far. And if they get to the playoff, they get the right matchup, they could shock somebody and win a first round game.

• 2:01:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yep. Uh, let's give some love to the big 12. Uh, for, I want to talk about Utah and how you feel about them overall. But I just want to say, in a world, in a chaotic world where we have lost a lot of things in college football with the super conferences and their, you know, conference championship games now going away, which I'm fine with that. 2014 playoff, and I, everything. Can't stress enough how much I appreciate the Big 12 still delivering old fashioned Big 12 shootouts on Saturday night, Saturday night, Texas Tech, West Virginia. I was driving home from South Bend and there was a moment, I think it was nine minutes left in the game and it was like, I think there was like 50 points had been scored and 800 yards

• 2:02:17Speaker 00

  of offense and it was like literally 20 minutes into the game and you see it with Oklahoma State too. They can't make the totals high, like all these, I appreciate them doing that, but Utah, I just want to give a shout out to Big 12. We're going to be there, by the way. We'll be in Stillwater College Football Show Saturday night. Very excited for that. I think the show's going to be at 5:30 Central time.

• 2:02:35Speaker 03

  Great game.

• 2:02:36Speaker 00

  Great game. Very excited for that game. Utah, are we buying it? Because they are kind of one of those teams that I think a lot of people have poked holes at and like some of their, you know, the, the win against Colorado was like a weird one where it's like they could have easily lost that game. They haven't looked like all the way great all the time, but they keep winning and they beat BYU and I don't know. I, I feel like, like Dampier's playing really well. They have a million ways to run the football down your throat. What do we think the ceiling is for Utah?

• 2:03:07Speaker 03

  This, this week is going to be a very interesting test for them because obviously the holy war is the holy war. They call it that for a reason. It is a huge game. You put, those two schools put damn near everything they have into it and now you've won that game for the first time in a while and you've got to follow it up by going on the road to play an Arizona team that's been pretty good so far this year and is very much capable of kind of spoiling your party. So how do you stay up for that? But the reason I am optimistic in their ability to do so is what really convinced me Utah was for real was before they even played BYU. Like they had that close, close game with Kansas where they pulled away late, but it was closer than you wanted it to be. And then you mentioned the Colorado game where it was just kind of like, you know, what the hell are we doing? There's no reason

• 2:03:48Speaker 03

  for you to be stuck in a dogfight with the Colorado Buffalos in 2026. But they had the games against Houston and BYU and sandwiched in between them was a road trip to Cincinnati, the same Cincinnati team that had taken down Texas Tech a week before. And I was very concerned with Utah coming off of the big win against Houston, having to prepare for BYU in the holy war that they were going to completely overlook the Bearcats. And they came out in that game and it was like 42 to six at halftime. Like they completely bared him. No letdown, no nothing. And I sit and look to go back to what we first started talking about when we started this interview with Morgan Scally, Utah and Kyle Whittingham. I think Morgan Scally has done an incredible job in his first season as a head coach, because this is a team that's, yeah, they're undefeated.

• 2:04:30Speaker 03

  Obviously he's doing a good job, but so many coaches with experience would fuck that up. So many coaches with experience would go on Cincinnati, have their team be caught sleeping an early start in a, in a, and against a game you're supposed to beat and you just get caught with your pants down. He had that team ready. He had them taking it seriously. And then a week later, they come out and they start it with their hair on fire still in the holy war to jump out to a lead, which was pretty much the reason they were able to hold on to win that game. Cause once BYU kind of got settled in, that, that game became a lot more difficult for them. So I just think that they are very solid. I do not think that there is any part of that team that you look at and say they're great, but they don't really have a glaring weakness. And I think that this year where we are seeing so many teams in that kind of vein that are really good, but all have kind of weaknesses, not

• 2:05:15Speaker 03

  having an obvious one goes a long way. And I think especially in the Big 12, it goes even further. So we have seen that they are undefeated and I think Devin Dampier, you know, as he goes, so will they? Like as long as he avoids the mistakes and the turnovers, they are really, really difficult to beat. If he starts turning the ball over, things get a little more sketchy, but they're also very good defensively. And then we saw, again, we saw this against BYU last week. It's hard to score on them. Once you get to the red zone. They do a really good job of holding teams to field goals, or in the case of last week, forcing turnovers. And that goes a very long way in these kinds of games against Arizona. It will help them in the playoff game. And I think that, you know, they get a bye, you know, they won't have the home game. Obviously that's not coming into effect until they go

• 2:05:56Speaker 03

  to 24, but they're not going to be a comfortable matchup for whoever the hell it is that ends up having to go on to face them. If they stay undefeated, win the Big 12 and get that bye. They are very, very not fun team to prepare for and they are not a fun team to go against.

• 2:06:09Speaker 05

  Tom, there are a lot of teams that aren't going to make the playoff that I think if you talk to their fanbases, they would say, we're having a really good year. Like fanbases that are happy with what's going on with their team. On the outside looking in, if you were to do like a, a, a top five ranking of college football programs that are having great seasons that will not be in the playoff.

• 2:06:31Speaker 03

  Well, that's a tough one. I'm going to say, you know what? You know, he's got to be having a great season. Mississippi State fans should be absolutely thrilled with the way that things are going. They are only two wins away from bowl eligibility. That is not something that comes around in Starkville very much. So I think if I'm a Mississippi State fan, I'm in a great spot. Uh, other than that, I mean, I don't know. Like Iowa still has a chance to get there.

• 2:06:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, they do. They do.

• 2:06:57Speaker 03

  Even here's the way, the way I look at it with Iowa, even if I fall short, my team this year is probably more fun than it has been in a while. Like offensively, they're not a juggernaut, but they're far more competent than you typically expect where like the problem for Iowa in many seasons past has been we, we have, we're, we're playing musical chairs with quarterbacks because all of our options at quarterbacks suck. They've been playing musical chairs at quarterback this year because like they've had two guys who have at times played well enough to be the starter. Now I think Hank Brown is pretty much entrenched there, but that is good. So I would include Iowa on that top five. I would include the Wisconsin Badgers in all sincerity on that top five. I know, no, the losses have sucked.

• 2:07:40Speaker 03

  Okay. Don't get me wrong. I, I know that 30 to nothing at home to Iowa, not great, but just think of where you've been.

• 2:07:48Speaker 00

  But yes, yes. No, that would, that's the one that just is, I, I expect to lose to Notre Dame. I, the UCLA, I feel like we got screwed. The Iowa loss was like, we're just the same.

• 2:07:58Speaker 03

  But you beat USC by 17 though. Like you completely punked that team.

• 2:08:02Speaker 00

  But Tom, you know, like old school Big 10 West, I've, I've said this many times. I, as a Wisconsin Badger fan, I know where we stand in the greater college football landscape. I do not expect us to beat Ohio State or Oregon or like some of these teams. We are measured against Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Illinois. Like those are the teams that you're measured against. And when you get trucked by them, it feels bad.

• 2:08:30Speaker 03

  I get it. I get it. But I still think that you're, you've, you've seen signs of what you were hoping to see this year. Now it's not great and there's still a little bit to go, but you should, you know, you should be overall happy.

• 2:08:39Speaker 00

  Got to win the Acs.

• 2:08:40Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. Another team, Oklahoma State. I don't think they're going to make the playoff. They still have an outside shot if they can run the Big 12 and win the conference, but you have seen, like when you hired Eric Morris to take over for Gundy and he brought in Mess to Maker and he brought in all this stuff from North Texas, you have seen everything you were hoping to see. Now you've lost some games, but the offense you were looking for, the kind of just overall vibe of that program has completely shifted, I feel like overnight to where Oklahoma State is once again, they have to take a team that you have to take seriously.

• 2:09:08Speaker 05

  Air is pointing up.

• 2:09:09Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. And then, you know, I don't know. Are you excited about James Madison's season, PFT?

• 2:09:13Speaker 05

  That's a great question, Tom. I don't know if you've seen any of my, my recent comments on Billy Napier. All I'm going to say is I, I think whatever Billy Napier has that is, uh, is clearly a deficiency and or a blind spot in his coaching ability. Um, whatever that is, I think it's terminal. And I don't know if it's something that, that gets better. Like, and don't get me wrong. Like we've won a lot of games with him so far. First of all, we got to stop playing on Thursday nights.

• 2:09:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:40Speaker 05

  That's obviously his.

• 2:09:42Speaker 03

  Eat the poop, dude. You really need that guy to eat the poop.

• 2:09:44Speaker 05

  Have that guy, but that guy was a plant. He was from Liberty and you're not allowed to do that at Liberty. Can't have your mouth anywhere near that hole. Uh, but when it comes to what JMU has done, it's like they are, uh, they've won some, they've won some games, still have an outside chance, maybe I think technically still to win the Sun Belt. Um, just based on the, the division at their, but the losses that I see, the problems with those losses, I don't know that that's something that gets fixed. I think that's, that's just who he is. And, um, that's, that's tough because we hired two great coaches back to back and then new athletic director comes in. This is his first swing and I think he wanted to play it relatively safe. I don't think he's going to want to admit that maybe

• 2:10:29Speaker 05

  something's a mistake after one season, uh, given who his predecessor was. And I know that's a tough spot that he's in. Um, so I don't know. All I'm saying is that I don't see, I would not bet on JMU, um, making it back to any playoff, whether that's 12 team or, or 24 team, um, with, with Billy over the next couple of years.

• 2:10:49Speaker 03

  I think you can get to a 24 team. Yeah, I really do.

• 2:10:52Speaker 05

  Because I, I think that those, a lot of those places are going to be taken up by kind of the, the, the second tier of the bigger conferences.

• 2:11:00Speaker 03

  That's probably, but I, I think that, I think James Madison has the resources and the ability and the desire to win at a level that in the Sun Belt, I think that with, even with Billy Napier, who, you know, he's won the Sun Belt before, before he got, you know, he won at Louisiana. Like I, I just think that you could put together a really good season that gets you, to get you into the top 24 one of these years. I don't, I mean, I wouldn't expect it every single season, but I, I, I completely understand what you're saying because compared to Signetti and Bob Chesney, Billy Napier is not those two. Like there, there is always some like a little bit of a lack of attention to detail that can bite his teams in the butt at certain spots. And on game days, there are always some questionable decisions like there's, but I mean, that was a, that was a problem with Mario Cristobal for years and now that's no longer a problem. So it's just, coaches

• 2:11:45Speaker 03

  can learn, coaches can get better. I think ultimately what matters is do we want to win? And do we have the investment to do so?

• 2:11:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. All right. One other team I would put on that list would be Rutgers.

• 2:11:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, Shiano.

• 2:11:57Speaker 05

  Bringing Shiano back. So

• 2:11:58Speaker 00

  Got to.

• 2:11:58Speaker 05

  Doing something right. You don't want to run into a Kyle Whittingham situation, right? Where you bring in somebody that doesn't understand the culture of the place?

• 2:12:05Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 2:12:06Speaker 05

  And you've got with Shiano, a man that he bleeds Piscataway.

• 2:12:09Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:12:10Speaker 03

  I, listen, I, I just, I wrote a column about this today. Um, I understand why Rutgers is doing it. I really do. They, they don't have much of a choice. They are in a financial hole. And they simply cannot afford to pay 17 million for Shiano to leave and then whatever costs to buy out his staff. Then spend the money to bring an entire new staff that you would need to spend at the level to take a big 10 job, particularly the Rutgers job. And then still have any money to field a team next year that was even close to being competitive. So I understand the situation that they're in. It is a tough spot. It's just, my question is Rutgers is doing what is best for Rutgers right now and what makes sense for Rutgers.

• 2:12:53Speaker 03

  The bigger issue for me in that job is at what point does the big 10 do what, what's best for the big 10?

• 2:12:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:12:58Speaker 03

  And I'm not sure Rutgers, I'm not sure Rutgers in the big 10 is best for the big 10.

• 2:13:02Speaker 05

  I'm gonna take that as a threat.

• 2:13:03Speaker 00

  That's a threat. That's anti-Italian discrimination. All right, Zach.

• 2:13:08Speaker 00

  Roback question, rhoback.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take Zach. Give us your last question for Tom.

• 2:13:18Speaker 04

  What's going on, Tom? Do you have a quick question? If you could play hot swap right now, are the two coaches you think could trade? Head coaching jobs and both teams would be better for it this upcoming week?

• 2:13:30Speaker 00

  Hot swap. Oh, your usual hot swap.

• 2:13:33Speaker 05

  You said a pineapple out in front of the, in front of the athletic director's office. Yeah. What do you got?

• 2:13:38Speaker 03

  I'm trying to like.

• 2:13:39Speaker 00

  Quick game of hot swap.

• 2:13:41Speaker 03

  I mean, I'll, I'll leave it at this and I know you guys are close with them. So take it how you want. If you're LSU, are you wondering if maybe you should have hired Will Stein? Probably would have cost you a lot less. You might be in a better spot.

• 2:13:56Speaker 05

  I don't think that was ever in the cards though. Like, sure, you and

• 2:13:59Speaker 03

  Could have been in the cards.

• 2:14:00Speaker 05

  Retrospect, you can look and say like, yeah, he's having a great season, but like, you know how LSU is. Were they really going to hire like hot shot coordinator from Oregon?

• 2:14:07Speaker 03

  No, but I know how LSU is. They're gonna hire the established coach with the big name, like when they hired Brian Kelly. And now like when they hired Lane Kiffin, and guess what? You spent all that money to make Brian Kelly go away. You spent all that money to bring in Lane Kiffin. You spent all that money on that roster and you're in the same damn spot.

• 2:14:25Speaker 00

  Trust the process. Come on. Don't be, don't be, I would say if you were going to hot swap coaches, I would hot swap. Well, Indiana wouldn't want to do this, but USC getting Signetti for a weekend. So you get a little toughness going. To a big 10 cold weather place like they would win that game with Signetti as the coach.

• 2:14:42Speaker 03

  Should Lincoln Riley in the off season ask Kurt Signetti just to come talk to his team for a weekend and coach them to toughen them up a little bit?

• 2:14:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. Just get them ready for any road game.

• 2:14:50Speaker 05

  Just talk to him for a little bit. Yeah. What is Brian Kelly gonna do? Do we have any intel on, on his next up?

• 2:14:57Speaker 03

  I, I have no intel, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Brian Kelly's on a sideline next year. I think Brian Kelly's very open about his desire to return to coaching. And I think that within the jobs that are coming open, I wouldn't be surprised if they show interest in Brian Kelly.

• 2:15:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. All right, Tom. Uh, we got five more minutes till the trade deadline. Let's hope the Bears do maybe one other thing. I, I just got got by our own guy, Chief. Very, it should be, you should do like Twitter timeout if you quote tweet a fake account on trade deadline days. But he quote tweeted Scott Hughes CBB. That the Bears traded for Rick Wallen. So, and I saw it and I did a double take. I was about to report it to you and then I was like, wait a second, Scott Hughes CBB. So Scott Hughes CBB is like a well-known troll. And he's also CBB.

• 2:15:41Speaker 03

  Cut cheese some slack. He's kind of, you know, he's in a bad spot. He's waiting for Jeff Blashill to be fired and he's just not going to get it. So he's going through it right now.

• 2:15:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's true. Um, all right, Tom, you're the best. We appreciate it as always. Uh, and we'll see you hopefully next time in studio.

• 2:15:57Speaker 05

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• 2:17:32Speaker 00

  Okay. What are we finishing the show with?

• 2:17:34Speaker 05

  I think it's chicks.

• 2:17:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, guys on chicks.

• 2:17:36Speaker 00

  Let's go.

• 2:17:36Speaker 04

  Three long ones.

• 2:17:37Speaker 00

  Let's go. Lock in.

• 2:17:40Speaker 05

  Hello, boys. Sup. Huge fan of the show. Fun fact, my boyfriend showed me PMT also almost eight years ago. Sadly, that relationship did not last, but I've continued to listen all these years. So I'd like to formally thank him for giving me you guys. You're the best part of my week. Sounds like, all right, shout out. Just trying to get back together. Now that I'm back in the dating scene, I was wondering if you guys could give me some quick fire questions to prove that these boys know ball. A simple screening process that I can filter out the non-ball knowers. Thanks so much. I love you guys. P S sup Hank. Sup.

• 2:18:11Speaker 00

  Let's go Hank.

• 2:18:13Speaker 00

  Ball knowing questions.

• 2:18:16Speaker 05

  What happens if, um, a punt is muffed? What can, what is the punting team allowed to do with the ball? After to flex off the receiving team?

• 2:18:30Speaker 00

  Explain a balk.

• 2:18:33Speaker 05

  Max, why are you shaking your head?

• 2:18:35Speaker 04

  Balk is tough for most people.

• 2:18:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I, I, my answer would be, you know it when you see it. There's like, and when I, when I say that, I mean, when the ump calls it.

• 2:18:45Speaker 05

  There's like 20 different ways you can balk.

• 2:18:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:18:48Speaker 03

  What is the referee signal for a touchback?

• 2:18:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's a good one.

• 2:18:53Speaker 00

  That's a good one. Also, you could always just be like, name a random player.

• 2:18:58Speaker 05

  Can you name one referee?

• 2:19:00Speaker 00

  Hmm, that's a good one.

• 2:19:02Speaker 05

  NFL ref.

• 2:19:02Speaker 00

  I like that a lot.

• 2:19:03Speaker 05

  If you watch football, you should be able to name multiple, but like, if you can't name one, I would say that's a red flag.

• 2:19:08Speaker 00

  Is James Harden good? That might be the first, that might be the icebreaker.

• 2:19:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:19:14Speaker 00

  Just be like, is he?

• 2:19:17Speaker 00

  Let us know.

• 2:19:17Speaker 05

  What is a catch? And he should say, you are.

• 2:19:20Speaker 00

  Or did Dez, Dez catch it?

• 2:19:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:19:24Speaker 03

  Hey guys, writing this because my boyfriend and I are medium distance and during our road trips, he insists on

• 2:19:28Speaker 00

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, medium distance?

• 2:19:30Speaker 03

  Probably like a city away.

• 2:19:31Speaker 04

  So it's like Philly to New York?

• 2:19:34Speaker 05

  It sounds medium.

• 2:19:35Speaker 03

  Chicago to Milwaukee.

• 2:19:36Speaker 04

  Chicago to Milwaukee.

• 2:19:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's not.

• 2:19:38Speaker 03

  LA to San Diego.

• 2:19:39Speaker 00

  All right, I get, medium distance seems easy though. Medium distance actually sounds like

• 2:19:43Speaker 05

  maybe perfect.

• 2:19:44Speaker 00

  Perfect.

• 2:19:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:19:45Speaker 00

  Where it's like, you can drive to see them on the weekend.

• 2:19:47Speaker 04

  Some people will say like.

• 2:19:48Speaker 00

  Play, you know, GTA.

• 2:19:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:19:51Speaker 04

  Like Upper East Side to Brooklyn.

• 2:19:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:19:54Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 2:19:54Speaker 00

  That's big time medium distance.

• 2:19:57Speaker 03

  During our road trips, he insists on listening to your podcast. I hate to admit it, but I have begun to enjoy the show.

• 2:20:01Speaker 05

  Oh, let's go.

• 2:20:02Speaker 03

  My boyfriend eats pretty healthy and throughout the week exercises daily. It is honestly pretty impressive. However, when Sunday hits and it's only during football season, he develops a binge eating disorder. All health goals are thrown out the noon games are thrown out when the noon games start. I've counted his calories once he ate 5,600 calories before the seven o'clock game. Is this normal? I'm curious, it might be stress eating due to his gambling. Thanks guys. We're big Bears fans.

• 2:20:25Speaker 05

  Cheat day. Every, every guy gets a cheat day.

• 2:20:28Speaker 00

  It's actually better to have a cheat day because then you don't crave the stuff. You make yourself so sick that you don't crave the stuff during the week. That's probably why he's able to be such a good eater during the week.

• 2:20:37Speaker 05

  And also like you, you probably don't want him getting like too skinny. That's always weird when a guy like gets a six pack after you start dating him.

• 2:20:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, Sundays, you can't, you just can't judge it. You can't judge Sundays.

• 2:20:50Speaker 03

  If you're impressed with his eating and working out, like literally cheat days, like everyone has cheat days.

• 2:20:55Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:20:55Speaker 03

  You're supposed to do a cheat day.

• 2:20:56Speaker 05

  Sounds like healthy. Everything in moderation, especially moderation.

• 2:20:59Speaker 00

  By the way, credit to us, we're halfway through the NFL season. I feel like we've done a pretty good job this year by moving the food. I've eaten way less.

• 2:21:07Speaker 05

  It's a difference.

• 2:21:07Speaker 00

  It's a big time. You don't notice it, Hank?

• 2:21:11Speaker 00

  I'm not like.

• 2:21:12Speaker 05

  Grazing his way down.

• 2:21:13Speaker 03

  I always eat like shit.

• 2:21:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, but there are, it used to be on Sundays, I would be actually uncomfortably full.

• 2:21:21Speaker 00

  Like I'd just be sitting there like I don't, I want to crawl out of my own skin. Now it's, I'm just regular full.

• 2:21:29Speaker 04

  It's directly tied to how hungover I am from Saturday.

• 2:21:33Speaker 00

  But you agree that the food being 50 feet away from us has made a huge difference.

• 2:21:37Speaker 04

  It depends on how hungo, if, if I'm hungover enough, it's not, it doesn't matter.

• 2:21:41Speaker 00

  It is so funny watching you guys come in on, some of you guys come in on Sunday and you're like so hungover and I'm, I'm walking in like this is my, this is the best part of my week.

• 2:21:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:21:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:21:56Speaker 00

  Hey, boys like to drink.

• 2:21:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:21:59Speaker 00

  Jack McCarthy's taken, has slept through every Sunday.

• 2:22:02Speaker 04

  Opted out of.

• 2:22:03Speaker 00

  He just sleeps. He shows up, makes sure the food is here, then sleeps.

• 2:22:08Speaker 03

  That might be me on Sunday.

• 2:22:10Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, well, I mean, and also you've already had your pancakes.

• 2:22:13Speaker 04

  Big Saturday. Oh, yeah.

• 2:22:14Speaker 05

  Huge Saturday. Or huge Sunday morning.

• 2:22:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, what are you gonna do? I think you need to go to sleep at like 7:00 PM on Saturday.

• 2:22:22Speaker 03

  No, I got a big Saturday.

• 2:22:24Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 2:22:25Speaker 03

  But I think I'm gonna, I don't know. I might just come in for the late games. I might Patriots game and then, and then, and then just take an nap. Just gonna have Saturday.

• 2:22:33Speaker 00

  Will you be participate, well, all right, fine, but then you have to, your pick for the game probably has to be afternoon.

• 2:22:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:40Speaker 00

  Cause I would need you here.

• 2:22:41Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 2:22:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:22:42Speaker 05

  All the pressure.

• 2:22:43Speaker 03

  Uh, the girls in my friend group are fighting and my boyfriend said I should ask you all for help.

• 2:22:48Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:22:49Speaker 03

  My friend keeps trashing my pick in our rec league. How do I handle this? My friends and I all joined a rec basketball league. Daniella, Erica and myself came up with the idea we, and we picked our team like a draft from our friends to add to our team. Daniella had the first pick of our friend groups and took Cali. Then Erica took Jayla?

• 2:23:12Speaker 00

  That seems like a first round pick.

• 2:23:13Speaker 03

  Jayla.

• 2:23:15Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:23:15Speaker 03

  That's not a real name.

• 2:23:16Speaker 00

  I think it is, and I think it's the 1-1 pick.

• 2:23:18Speaker 03

  Then I picked and took Dreah. Dreah and Jayla.

• 2:23:23Speaker 00

  Cali went 1?

• 2:23:24Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:23:25Speaker 00

  No. How do you spell Cali?

• 2:23:27Speaker 03

  C-A-L-L-I-E. We've played for a while now and Jayla has honestly been the worst player of the group. While Dreah and Cali have been great. Ever since it became obvious, Erica has been lashing out at Dreah every chance she gets. She picks apart Dreah's game, points out every turnover and acts like Dreah's success is a luck. I'm pretty sure it's insecurity about picking Jayla.

• 2:23:50Speaker 00

  Uh-huh.

• 2:23:50Speaker 03

  It's getting old.

• 2:23:51Speaker 05

  I don't think so.

• 2:23:51Speaker 03

  When Erica does this every week, has anyone dealt with a friend who tears people down to cover for their own bad pick? Yes.

• 2:23:58Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:23:58Speaker 03

  How do I bring this up with Erica without it turning into a fight? Should I say something directly or just let it go?

• 2:24:04Speaker 05

  I don't, first of all, I don't know, um, it sounds like a bogus message, but I will treat it as if it's, it's real.

• 2:24:09Speaker 00

  What is this league?

• 2:24:10Speaker 05

  I think you just need to make sure, you, you need to make sure that, that, uh, Dreah has enough time in the system. It sounds like Dreah may have come on too strong at the start.

• 2:24:20Speaker 00

  I see. And now I get it. Me, I'm sorry. I was low.

• 2:24:23Speaker 05

  Dealing with some bad, maybe some bad coaching.

• 2:24:25Speaker 00

  I was slow. I got tricked.

• 2:24:27Speaker 05

  I think.

• 2:24:28Speaker 00

  I got tricked too.

• 2:24:29Speaker 05

  I think you have to take a look at the coaching first and foremost, cause anybody can be a great pick with a really good coach.

• 2:24:34Speaker 00

  But what if, who's, who is the second pick?

• 2:24:38Speaker 05

  Dreah.

• 2:24:40Speaker 03

  Jayla.

• 2:24:40Speaker 05

  Oh, Jayla, sorry.

• 2:24:41Speaker 00

  Jayla.

• 2:24:42Speaker 05

  Dreah's third.

• 2:24:43Speaker 00

  Cali, I'm so stupid. Yeah, uh, it means, you feel that?

• 2:24:48Speaker 04

  I thought we had a woman right in.

• 2:24:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I really did too.

• 2:24:50Speaker 05

  Jayla.

• 2:24:52Speaker 03

  Jayla's not a real name.

• 2:24:53Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:24:54Speaker 03

  I knew, all right, that, yeah.

• 2:24:55Speaker 00

  All right, but, but Jayla was for a year was so good.

• 2:24:59Speaker 05

  The best.

• 2:25:00Speaker 00

  When everyone, and it was just so good.

• 2:25:02Speaker 05

  I heard, and maybe Jayla's dad is like too close to the league and like trying to take everything over when it's your league. And maybe, maybe he needs to back off.

• 2:25:11Speaker 03

  So I heard Jayla's like the type of player that like instead of when, when the clock, when the clock is.

• 2:25:16Speaker 04

  Cali?

• 2:25:18Speaker 05

  Cali, Jayla, Dreah.

• 2:25:20Speaker 00

  But the other names, Erica, what, what was the other ones? The pickers.

• 2:25:25Speaker 03

  I don't think that matters.

• 2:25:27Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, Erica.

• 2:25:27Speaker 05

  Erica was one of them.

• 2:25:29Speaker 04

  So Erica definitely picked Jayla.

• 2:25:30Speaker 05

  Erica, Erica picked Jayla.

• 2:25:32Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 2:25:32Speaker 05

  And it was a great pick.

• 2:25:33Speaker 03

  Daniella, Erica and myself.

• 2:25:37Speaker 04

  Erica, what's the last one?

• 2:25:38Speaker 03

  Myself.

• 2:25:39Speaker 04

  Oh, myself.

• 2:25:41Speaker 00

  You said myself. God.

• 2:25:43Speaker 04

  Henrietta?

• 2:25:44Speaker 00

  Dude, shout out Wes. He was right. Fuck.

• 2:25:46Speaker 05

  I don't, I don't know, but it's.

• 2:25:48Speaker 03

  I heard Jayla, this person also said Jayla's the type of player that like when the, when the game is ending, the clock's winding down. Instead of like trying to shoot, she's worried about her field goal percentages. So she just passes it up to someone else. So she doesn't get the turnover. Even like, let's say they're down, they need to score.

• 2:26:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:26:03Speaker 03

  Doesn't want to throw a pass to the end zone to, to even give herself a chance to win.

• 2:26:07Speaker 04

  I thought we were talking about.

• 2:26:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, pass to the basket.

• 2:26:10Speaker 05

  We call that a shot.

• 2:26:11Speaker 00

  Basket. I'll say this.

• 2:26:12Speaker 05

  I think, I think that maybe if you look at the stats of, of how, uh, Jayla has performed in her first three seasons.

• 2:26:19Speaker 03

  They're actually good this year.

• 2:26:20Speaker 05

  In, in, in those, uh, clutch time performances, you would see that Jayla is setting records and still has records for, uh, the best performances at the end of games. Despite some very high profile, uh, boneheaded mistakes that Jayla has made, uh, recently.

• 2:26:34Speaker 00

  I, I'll say this, I kind of relate to this Daniella, who I think picked first. Uh, I would take Cali every single time, uh, if we did a redraft.

• 2:26:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. And my, as far as myself, the person that wrote this, like

• 2:26:50Speaker 03

  you didn't have the choice. So it's like you, you, you love where you're at, especially because you got the best choice of the three.

• 2:26:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, no, you didn't. Cali is the best choice of the three.

• 2:27:00Speaker 05

  He, Cali, Cali was a choice.

• 2:27:03Speaker 00

  And it was the best choice.

• 2:27:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, but.

• 2:27:05Speaker 05

  Every option.

• 2:27:10Speaker 03

  Ever since it became obvious, Erica has been lashing out at Dreah every chance she gets. She picks apart Dreah's game, points out every turnover, and acts like Dreah's success is a luck.

• 2:27:17Speaker 05

  I'd know.

• 2:27:18Speaker 03

  This is great. I think Gaz wrote this.

• 2:27:20Speaker 05

  I don't, I don't think that Erica, I think you're confusing Erica being, uh, confident in her pick for Erica being upset about somebody else.

• 2:27:28Speaker 00

  Still as confident in her pick as she was.

• 2:27:30Speaker 05

  Erica's not the kind of gal that looks at what other people have. Erica's the kind of gal that appreciates what they have.

• 2:27:35Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:27:36Speaker 05

  And if it all comes down to, if it ever does reach a place where Erica might ever be upset at, uh, the, the player that they took in this basketball game. Um, Eric would probably just instead, uh, blame the general manager or the coaching staff for not surrounding their star player with enough talent.

• 2:27:53Speaker 03

  But they're on a team. This is a team. Like the, the, the three of them are a team. And like, why do you think Erica is just constantly lashing out at Dreah all the time?

• 2:28:02Speaker 05

  Do you think that is part of?

• 2:28:03Speaker 03

  Do you think that's part of? Even when Dreah plays well.

• 2:28:06Speaker 05

  Do you think that's, it's maybe, uh, part of Erica's job to, uh, to give their teammates a, a good ribbing for a nice laugh? For other people to listen to?

• 2:28:16Speaker 03

  I don't know. I feel like that builds bad team camaraderie.

• 2:28:18Speaker 05

  Well, I would disagree.

• 2:28:20Speaker 00

  I think competition.

• 2:28:22Speaker 04

  He's still running.

• 2:28:23Speaker 00

  Oh, what is that?

• 2:28:24Speaker 05

  That's Max, Max is doing that.

• 2:28:25Speaker 00

  You're playing the game. We're talking about basketball, dude.

• 2:28:27Speaker 04

  I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

• 2:28:29Speaker 05

  In this, in this case, is, was Dreah just like really, really good for like that year that they moved out of town and got to play against an age group that was like seven years younger than them? And they dominated that. And then now that they're back in town playing against real competition.

• 2:28:43Speaker 03

  I mean, they're still in the playoffs and every single player on their team is like injured and Dreah's still lighting it up. Like if the season ended today, this, this basketball team is, is gonna be in the playoffs.

• 2:28:53Speaker 05

  How many, how many teams make the playoffs?

• 2:28:54Speaker 03

  A lot of injuries. A lot.

• 2:28:57Speaker 05

  How many teams make the playoffs in this, uh, basketball team, do you think?

• 2:29:01Speaker 03

  Probably seven, if I had to guess.

• 2:29:03Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 2:29:04Speaker 00

  I love this discussion because I love Cali.

• 2:29:08Speaker 00

  Do it again. Do it again and again.

• 2:29:10Speaker 04

  What are you doing to Cali?

• 2:29:12Speaker 00

  I love Cali. I'd do it again. Pick Cali first again.

• 2:29:16Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 2:29:17Speaker 00

  And again, and again, and again. God, I'm stupid for that. Like I just.

• 2:29:22Speaker 04

  What?

• 2:29:22Speaker 00

  I was too locked in. I was too locked into this, this basketball scenario.

• 2:29:27Speaker 05

  There is this really good young women's basketball coach, uh, Udinska. And she is, she knows her shit. And I feel like Udinska could really unlock Jayla.

• 2:29:39Speaker 00

  Really?

• 2:29:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:29:40Speaker 00

  You think so?

• 2:29:41Speaker 04

  I heard Udinska is looking at the Jets, uh.

• 2:29:47Speaker 05

  Gina?

• 2:29:47Speaker 04

  Oh, the Jets.

• 2:29:48Speaker 05

  Udinska is looking at Gina and, and she's like, I really want to coach Gina.

• 2:29:53Speaker 00

  What happens if Udinska, what, what happens if it doesn't work out with Udinska?

• 2:29:57Speaker 05

  Uh, then, um, there's this, I was reading about this Australian lady online that had picked out a really great bridge. That there might be some other people that would want to visit.

• 2:30:08Speaker 00

  Did you guys see the, the, the tweet I sent you guys from, from, I just saw the, uh, from, from the Australian person? The, uh, raunchy chips, dastardly idiot replied, uh, you're a fan now. Keep that head up. Gee, if I found out you offed yourself, I'm beating your ass in the end of afterlife. No bap.

• 2:30:31Speaker 00

  Some good fun.

• 2:30:32Speaker 05

  I like that.

• 2:30:33Speaker 00

  All right. So, uh, Hank, do you, do you think that maybe, uh, Erica should, should take it easy and worry about her own team?

• 2:30:41Speaker 03

  Well, they're on the same team.

• 2:30:43Speaker 00

  We're on the same.

• 2:30:43Speaker 03

  I think Erica should be a better teammate.

• 2:30:45Speaker 05

  But if.

• 2:30:45Speaker 00

  I think Erica's funny.

• 2:30:46Speaker 05

  I think if Erica.

• 2:30:47Speaker 00

  I think Erica's really funny.

• 2:30:48Speaker 05

  I think if Erica's making myself like feel bad from the jokes, then maybe, maybe myself should listen to more jokes.

• 2:30:56Speaker 03

  I think Erica should maybe do funnier jokes.

• 2:30:59Speaker 00

  Oh, I, I like Erica's jokes. I think she's pretty funny.

• 2:31:04Speaker 04

  He's still.

• 2:31:05Speaker 05

  Max, stop that.

• 2:31:06Speaker 00

  That's not even Erica. That's, that's Glenn. That's Glenn, Glenn Dlin.

• 2:31:10Speaker 05

  That's, uh, that's Chrissy.

• 2:31:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right.

• 2:31:13Speaker 05

  Chrissy always has to chime in.

• 2:31:16Speaker 04

  He's still trying.

• 2:31:25Speaker 00

  Numbers. Three.

• 2:31:26Speaker 03

  10.

• 2:31:27Speaker 04

  Ah, I think.

• 2:31:27Speaker 00

  23. Did I get you?

• 2:31:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'll say four.

• 2:31:30Speaker 05

  39.

• 2:31:31Speaker 00

  Nine.

• 2:31:33Speaker 04

  He stole my number. 86.

• 2:31:36Speaker 03

  At Memphis Gerald.

• 2:31:37Speaker 00

  69.

• 2:31:38Speaker 04

  67.

• 2:31:39Speaker 05

  R.I.P.

• 2:31:40Speaker 04

  One year anniversary, Lefty.

• 2:31:42Speaker 00

  Oh, wow. R.I.P.

• 2:31:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe.

• 2:31:45Speaker 00

  No. Oh.

• 2:31:46Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 2:31:46Speaker 04

  What?

• 2:31:47Speaker 05

  He's back.

• 2:31:47Speaker 04

  Huh?

• 2:31:48Speaker 03

  Grinnell.

• 2:31:49Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, Grinnell.

• 2:31:50Speaker 00

  For everything.

• 2:31:51Speaker 04

  Grinnell for everything.

• 2:31:51Speaker 00

  For everything.

• 2:31:54Speaker 00

  What are you doing?

• 2:31:56Speaker 03

  No idea.

• 2:31:58Speaker 03

  You keep asking me.

• 2:31:59Speaker 00

  Well, I, I want to know. It's an important match.

• 2:32:05Speaker 00

  So quit asking.

• 2:32:12Speaker 04

  Son of a bitch.

• 2:32:14Speaker 05

  Ninety-four.

• 2:32:15Speaker 04

  Ninety-four. Are you ready? Nope.

• 2:32:18Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:32:20Speaker 04

  No one. I don't think anyone's gonna get it.

• 2:32:22Speaker 05

  I don't, well memes definitely isn't gonna get it.

• 2:32:24Speaker 04

  I have a good feeling. I have a good feeling.

• 2:32:27Speaker 05

  I need PFT and Colton to get it so that we can get just back to memes.

• 2:32:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I would actually, I mean, Colton's gotta get it first. Yeah, I want Colton to get it. Sixty-nine. Let's see it. Let's see it. One time for the six-nine.

• 2:32:44Speaker 04

  Nope. Nope. Thirty-eight. Thirty-eight.

• 2:32:47Speaker 05

  Oh shit. No one?

• 2:32:49Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 2:32:49Speaker 05

  Alright. Happy birthday to Lad McConkey, Victor Cruz. Happy birthday to, uh, Azzy Fudd. Happy birthday to Buddy Bayheim. Happy anniversary to Brandon Walker. Uh, and then Thursday, happy birthday Cairo Santos, Dexter Lawrence, Jason Day, Sammy Sosa, Al Michaels, and Tanya Harding. Love you guys.